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<v Speaker 1>The Internet is a fantastic place to find debates. Many are,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, not necessarily worth a time, but occasionally you

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<v Speaker 1>find two sides of a story that just draw you.

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<v Speaker 1>In the story of John Lang is one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>John was a man who found himself uncovering the truths

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<v Speaker 1>of corruption in his city. Some say he was just paranoid,

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<v Speaker 1>and they didn't really believe him, but when he seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>predicted his own death, it became almost impossible to deny

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<v Speaker 1>that he may have been on to something.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim.

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<v Speaker 1>A true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>The following podcast and material in our audience listener discuss.

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<v Speaker 2>So I didn't get that memo?

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<v Speaker 1>What memo?

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<v Speaker 2>That memo?

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<v Speaker 1>Ohkay? Well's you're up opening that one? Thanks? Sounding good?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that was probably my best one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, probably. So we're chilling down in Victoria. This episode

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<v Speaker 1>is a little bit late because we did all the

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<v Speaker 1>research everything while on vacation. But what's really cool is

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<v Speaker 1>we're staying in an airbnb right now. And do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Them no, your own a role? Keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>We just started. How am I on a roll?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know you sound good.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, this airbnb we're living in for the next

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<v Speaker 1>few days here was built in nineteen twelve and chilling

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<v Speaker 1>on some farm property. This is an old farmhouse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's kind of been they've redone it.

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<v Speaker 1>They have it's quite lovely, but there is a very

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<v Speaker 1>mysterious and odd looking basement door to like the underneath area.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure there's at least four or five bodies

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<v Speaker 1>buried in the walls of this home potentially.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you were gonna talk about the lizards.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, there's a lizards fucking everywhere here. Anyone from Victoria?

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<v Speaker 1>Since when have you had fucking lizards here?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're everywhere. I didn't know that, even apparently downtown.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, apparently I didn't realize that anywhere in Canada had

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<v Speaker 1>legit like lizards. Sure, salamanders and like amphibians and shit

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<v Speaker 1>and snakes, but lizards.

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<v Speaker 2>And they've invaded. They're all over there.

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<v Speaker 1>They're invasive species. So it's it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>But bends in like lizard Heaven.

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<v Speaker 1>I fucking love lizards.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm just like, please don't touch me. But they're

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<v Speaker 2>too fast, you wouldn't. You can't even get to them.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, Oh they're so quick. Yeah, so quick. I think like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're going to actually like try and catch one

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<v Speaker 1>of these lizards, you need like a butterfly net.

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<v Speaker 2>Or something something. Yeah. But we've actually really I was

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna say, really lucked out on all of our

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<v Speaker 2>are Airbnb's hotels this trip, Like we have, we've done good.

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<v Speaker 1>We stayed stayed in like a heritage place in Vancouver

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<v Speaker 1>that again is probably like early nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Hundred yet least, and they were just so lovely and

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<v Speaker 2>nice and accommodating and.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, so and places some cool places.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The place that we were in Colemos wasn't. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like a converted garage made into an airb It

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<v Speaker 2>was still really nice, but not really like the heritage

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<v Speaker 2>to it.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, ac that fucking sucked.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it was our northern asses, couldn't hap.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we were melting, that's for sure. So do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to just like dive right into this one? Yeah? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we got we got patrons to thank first up before

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<v Speaker 1>we and then we'll dive in. Okay, so we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>thank patrons. So we have Dawson, I'm going to butcher

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<v Speaker 1>your last name, but I'm going to try you got

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<v Speaker 1>this Zaya Joson Zaya Okay, Lexis Costa, Kato Cato full

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<v Speaker 1>Kato fll Zindia hair Rara. You guys are like, I

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<v Speaker 1>swear you're putting me to the test. You're like, my

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<v Speaker 1>name is gonna be difficult for him to pronounce because

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<v Speaker 1>he's terrible at this. So I'm gonna sign up for Patreon.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure that's what they do every time. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my goodness, we have Janine Wilson and Sarah Joe Larson.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>So much for joining us over on Patreon. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be able to have access to that that after show

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<v Speaker 1>post chat that we're gonna have with this one.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it's the end of the month soon too,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so there's gonna be an extra case coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>H okay, so under the case.

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<v Speaker 2>So I do know full disclosure a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>this one. It's very bizarre, but I'm excited to like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of do a bit of a deeper dive because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I know all the dates.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's I mean, there's so many details with this one.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to omit some because if I were to

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about all the details I would be talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, police history for like two whole episodes, So

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<v Speaker 1>we can't be doing that. That's just far too much.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm kind of skimming over talking about the main ones,

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<v Speaker 1>some top one sort of thing. But other than that,

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely do go into some pretty deepcare depth on

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<v Speaker 1>this one too as well. So hey, let's do it well.

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<v Speaker 1>This case is the case of John Paul lang So.

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<v Speaker 1>John was a fifty one year old former US marine.

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<v Speaker 1>John resided in the beautiful, warm city of Fresno, California.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a hard, hardworking individual and made an honest

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<v Speaker 1>living working at payless breaks and tires.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, right on, John, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing his thing, you know, blue collar job, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a little respect in his life sort of thing, getting

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<v Speaker 1>a little dirty, just doing his thing. And I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it may not have been the most glamorous job, like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, a little bit more blue collar, but he

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<v Speaker 1>earned an honest living and he was happy. So John

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunately had been divorced. He was previously married to a

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<v Speaker 1>woman by the name of Almah. But as some relationships go,

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<v Speaker 1>they begin to grow apart, and they officially separated in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eleven. So between the two of them, they did

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<v Speaker 1>have a child together, and the child would go on

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<v Speaker 1>to live in with the mother after the separation. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really go in to figure out if it was

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<v Speaker 1>a daughter or son, A little irrelevant for the story,

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<v Speaker 1>but they did have a child together, so before their separation,

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<v Speaker 1>though before the divorce did eventually kick in, John was

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<v Speaker 1>living his life minding his own business and would go

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<v Speaker 1>about his days at work and returning home during two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine when this all began to start, So

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<v Speaker 1>he was out doing his thing one particular day when

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<v Speaker 1>something peculiar caught his eye. Now, perhaps what happened to

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<v Speaker 1>John in the coming few years and this day would

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<v Speaker 1>be the catalyst for eventual divorce in twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay, it's already something that I didn't wasn't really

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<v Speaker 2>quite aware of it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Potential, Okay, But what did happen was this one day

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<v Speaker 1>John was at the grocery store. He was coming out

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<v Speaker 1>into the parking lot and he noticed something odd with

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<v Speaker 1>police cruisers in the parking lot. So he actually eventually

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<v Speaker 1>left the parking lot and he got pulled over outside

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<v Speaker 1>of the parking lot, a routine traffic stop and he

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<v Speaker 1>got a a citation, okay, And John was a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit perturbed by this. He's all like, well, who whoa, whoa, whoa.

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<v Speaker 1>Weren't you guys just like cruising through the parking lot

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<v Speaker 1>and didn't you just follow me out of the parking lot?

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<v Speaker 1>And how is this a routine traffic stop? Seems like

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<v Speaker 1>you're kind of stalking me or something like. This isn't

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<v Speaker 1>very fair here. So after he got home, he started

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<v Speaker 1>doing a little bit of online digging and what he

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<v Speaker 1>discovered that this situation was that the police cars were

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<v Speaker 1>in fact illegally stalking citizens. The patrol cars were going

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<v Speaker 1>into parking lots and running the license plates of vehicles

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<v Speaker 1>that were parked, and they would do so until they

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<v Speaker 1>found someone with something on their record, say an outstanding

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<v Speaker 1>parking ticket, an expired license, an arrest warrant, who knows whatever, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they would target that individual. They would wait

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<v Speaker 1>for them to leave the parking lot, get back into

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<v Speaker 1>their vehicle whatever, yeah, and then the police would follow

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<v Speaker 1>them a few blocks and then pull them over for

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a routine traffic stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Really yeah, and this is of course illegal entrapment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that would be.

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<v Speaker 1>Because, for example, you're sitting there saying, this person has

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<v Speaker 1>an expired license. Okay, but they're not driving yet, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to sit here and wait and wait for

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<v Speaker 1>them to drive. You can't. You technically can't be doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like kind of doing the easy route, like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of it's any like the easy button for their

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<v Speaker 2>job kind of it is, but it's.

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<v Speaker 1>It's entrapment, is what this is. So it's highly illegal.

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<v Speaker 1>Police cannot be doing that. So the police, sorry, the

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<v Speaker 1>Fresno Police actually worked on a quota system. The more

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<v Speaker 1>arrests that they made, the more money they would make

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<v Speaker 1>in return.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So essentially they are trying to raise their quota. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you say, an easy button, an easy way to get

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<v Speaker 1>higher numbers, aka an easy way to have our money come.

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<v Speaker 1>So John, figuring this out, began making posts that he

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<v Speaker 1>witnessed this so again posting on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 2>I just have to say, though, that's almost a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit like he's kind of things outside the box a

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<v Speaker 2>little for him to even like realize and notice this

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<v Speaker 2>and take note.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, he does. Yeah, So he was on Facebook telling

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<v Speaker 1>everyone that he, you know, he did notice this. He's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I figure this out. This is what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of basically a scam that the police are running.

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<v Speaker 1>And he also took to the Fresno B website. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the Fresno B is a local newspaper, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>commenting on many of their articles saying, Hey, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I discovered. The Fresno police are kind

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<v Speaker 1>of running this quasi scam. You guys should run a

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<v Speaker 1>story in this, look into it, research it, what ever? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get like the voice out there. Wow. No

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<v Speaker 1>one however, took John seriously, and his comments and Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>posts all fell on deaf years.

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<v Speaker 2>that no one would kind of. I mean, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like nowadays, lots of times people see stuff like that

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<v Speaker 2>and just take it and run.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's true. But I do want to play Devil's

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<v Speaker 1>opinions or not even opinions, but Devil's advocate here. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so bear that in mind. I'm simply playing Devil's advocate

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<v Speaker 1>with this one. As far as I could find John

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<v Speaker 1>had no proof to back up his claims that he

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<v Speaker 1>was seeing officers stalking people in the parking lots, So

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<v Speaker 1>I can't really blame anyone for necessarily not taking him seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>All he's saying is I saw this. Okay, where's the proof?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you know this is actually happening?

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<v Speaker 2>So it could it could almost have just been like

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<v Speaker 2>a coincidence.

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<v Speaker 1>It could have been maybe there was an officer who

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<v Speaker 2>And it was just completely random o sorts.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not saying John is lying. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So it's not like he had at that point

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<v Speaker 2>seen this prior to or or something. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>Potentially, John could be right, This could be exactly what's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>He just doesn't have the evidence to show anyone else

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the same breath, though, the Fresnel Police Department

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<v Speaker 1>many actually believe that the Fresnel Police Department is one

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty year history. According to federal and state investigators.

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<v Speaker 1>Up to the late nineteen seventies, Fresno police chiefs so

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<v Speaker 1>successors after another made a habit of connecting and dealing

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<v Speaker 1>gang that was started in nineteen fifty. So they made

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<v Speaker 1>and they were able to make a massive amount of

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<v Speaker 2>Yes serious, Yes, so much so.

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<v Speaker 1>That these police officers were able to buy huge vineyards,

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that is like super fucked yes wow, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>some people listening and would probably not be super surprised

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<v Speaker 2>by that. But that's bad.

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<v Speaker 1>It is very bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>One chief, for example, would eventually find himself in federal

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<v Speaker 1>prison for tax evasion. In the late nineteen eighties, one officer,

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<v Speaker 1>officer Jerry Dyer, had allegations against him of raping a

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's that's quite the allegation there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if the allegation was ever gone past

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<v Speaker 1>a simple allegation or if there was any proof to

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<v Speaker 1>back it up. But after the allegation, he was promoted

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. So if that's true, that is so

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<v Speaker 2>disturbing and so disgusting. Yes, wow, you mean you hear

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<v Speaker 2>about it? Dirty cops, right, that's like basically what this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>That them being at a higher power and thinking that

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<v Speaker 2>their king shit and do whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>They want, right exactly, so, taking bribes, taking money, dealing

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<v Speaker 1>drugs of course, taking advantage of individuals. It seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be like countless stories of this sort of stuff involved

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<v Speaker 1>with the Fresnol Police.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so sad.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also police brutality. Over the past decade or so,

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<v Speaker 1>there have been an ungodly amount of lawsuits filed against

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<v Speaker 1>the department. There's been nearly two hundred lawsuits filed for

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<v Speaker 1>excessive force used. Now almost half of them were dismissed

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<v Speaker 1>by the judge too.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe the judge isn't in on this too.

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<v Speaker 1>Potentially, well, there's potential of that. But I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>play devil's advocate here. This is particularly the one where

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<v Speaker 1>I think people may not like what I have to say. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but bear in mind, it's not necessarily my opinion, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily fact. It's just I'm trying to get I'll

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<v Speaker 1>explain myself here shortly, and I'm going to play devil's

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<v Speaker 1>So excessive force is not something that's justifiable, you know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going after the other half here, But the just

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<v Speaker 1>judge sided with the officer saying it was not excessive force.

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<v Speaker 1>So Fresnel crime rate is at five hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 1>four point four per one hundred thousand of the population,

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<v Speaker 1>and the national average in the US is three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and ninety five point seven per one hundred thousand of

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<v Speaker 1>the population.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so they actually have more crime there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, at higher crime rate, higher crime rate above the

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<v Speaker 1>national average in Fresno, California. At times, appropriate force may

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<v Speaker 1>be needed for a situation, right, we can understand that

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<v Speaker 1>appropriate appropriate force. Now that's a very subjective term appropriate

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<v Speaker 1>force is, but appropriate force may be needed for a situation.

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<v Speaker 1>So appropriate force is easy to judge in hindsight. But

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<v Speaker 1>in the heat of a moment, an officer may come

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<v Speaker 1>close to that line of excessive force. Right. It may

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<v Speaker 1>happen even I'm assuming here it's not a corupt officer.

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<v Speaker 1>Think the perfect police officer, okay, cookie cutter, exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>a citizen would want. It could potentially be easy for

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<v Speaker 1>him to come close to that line in a heated situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Well, I mean their jobs are scary at

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<v Speaker 2>times too, and like their lives and stuff are on

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<v Speaker 2>the line.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So they have someone coming in swinging out watching

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<v Speaker 1>him a weapon of some sort, force is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be necessary, and that excessive might like not say it's

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<v Speaker 1>right to do so, but it could be reasonable to

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<v Speaker 1>think that you might get close to that accidentally in

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<v Speaker 1>the heat of a moment. So we have higher crime rates,

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<v Speaker 1>which means a higher potential for higher numbers of coming

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<v Speaker 1>close to that excessive force okay accidentally, and we're also

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<v Speaker 1>going to have a higher number of lawsuits actually being filed.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I'm trying to basically say is that those

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<v Speaker 1>ones that the judge may have very well been situations

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<v Speaker 1>where the officers use force and was not a corrupt asshole.

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<v Speaker 1>It may not be a corrupt judge. Maybe it legitimately

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<v Speaker 1>was simple force was used, a little bit more force

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<v Speaker 1>had to be used, and it was appropriate. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we have individuals that are fighting it saying, hey, it

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<v Speaker 1>was excessive, but it's like, no one actually really was

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<v Speaker 1>necessary in the situation. Yeah, So assuming all these excessive

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<v Speaker 1>force pieces that the judge throughout, let's assume those were

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<v Speaker 1>not actually excessive force. I'm going to assume that the

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<v Speaker 1>judge is not corrupt. Okay, That's what I'm basically trying

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I was also see my mind went somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit differently. It was just basically like if

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<v Speaker 2>there's an allegation against a police officer, that's like a

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<v Speaker 2>really big deal on a big can kind of being

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<v Speaker 2>open too right, and so I don't know exactly where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going here, but like the judge could be not

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to like open that can. For each one of

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<v Speaker 2>these they have a problem where they have a higher

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<v Speaker 2>crime rate and in the heat of the moment or

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<v Speaker 2>adrenaline or whatever, they're you know, they're they're having to

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<v Speaker 2>do things that maybe they could learn from or change

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<v Speaker 2>in the future. But the judge isn't wanting to like

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<v Speaker 2>go there, you know what, do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of well, and I know exactly what you mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a reason why, a specific reason why I

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<v Speaker 1>really wanted to touch on this. I think it's really

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<v Speaker 1>important to talk about this, especially with conspiracy cases, because

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracies get out of control. Generally, when someone really believes

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<v Speaker 1>in one side, they will skip over or purposely misinterpret

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<v Speaker 1>information on the other side to really paint their picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Okay, So there's no allegations even of a

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<v Speaker 1>judge being corrupt here. Okay, So that's what I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say. I'm like, don't make that assumption that it's

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<v Speaker 1>a corrupt corrupt judge. It's a difficult situation, difficult town.

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<v Speaker 2>The higher crime rate, higher cases going through him, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, higher allegations, like, yeah, we kind of I

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<v Speaker 2>get what you're you're totally saying.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's really important to consider the facts

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<v Speaker 1>basically on an unbiased opinion. So that being said, the

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<v Speaker 1>police did some serious shitty stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there was still some people in there that were

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<v Speaker 2>not peer yes one to put it nicely, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So back off that here, back onto some more shitty

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<v Speaker 1>stuff the police officers, actually we know they did.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Police officer Brian Ridner was arrested in a sex working

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<v Speaker 1>staying in June of twenty ten, where he quote will

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<v Speaker 1>be placed on modified duties pending the outcome of the

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<v Speaker 1>internal affairs investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so what does that even mean? Like he was

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<v Speaker 2>caught with a sex worker?

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<v Speaker 1>No, like he was operating a sex ring, Like he

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<v Speaker 1>was like pemping people basically for a lack off. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's bad. Yeah, so it was like a whole online

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<v Speaker 1>type thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That he had going whoa Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Former police detective Darren Kumaggie pleaded guilty in February of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen on charges of accepting a twenty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>bribe from a drug trafficker.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my, gosh, I mean, twenty thousand dollars a way

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<v Speaker 2>in front of her. It would be hard to turn down.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is an ethics there, there's an asshole.

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<v Speaker 1>Would there be corrupt as fuck? O?

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<v Speaker 2>Heay, No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thousands a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>But you just outed yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta consider the ethics.

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<v Speaker 1>So no, yes, nice safe, nice safe the ethics. No

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<v Speaker 1>that that's definitely bad that you don't accept that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, bride.

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<v Speaker 1>In March of twenty fifteen, Deputy Chief Keith Keith Foster

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<v Speaker 1>peddled heroin and marijuana. He was sentenced in twenty seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>to forty eight months in prison. October twenty fifteen, Officer

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<v Speaker 1>William Wyatt received probation over prison time for raping a

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<v Speaker 1>woman who was unconscious. Whoa The list goes on. As

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned, I admitted a lot of this because there

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<v Speaker 1>is far too many to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>And well a lot of those are quite bad too, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that, like, I don't know, the one

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<v Speaker 2>mit you mentioned was like forty eight months, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>very long. No, I feel like they should almost get well.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I should say that I was

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<v Speaker 2>almost thinking they should get longer sentences.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost because they're an officer.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, because they are the ones like they should

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<v Speaker 2>be held at a higher.

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<v Speaker 1>Standard almost they're supposed to be upholding the law.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so geez, so yeah, it's kind of a problem. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a problem there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So basically, in short, the Fresno police officers are

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely so corrupt, but that like they're like one percent

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<v Speaker 1>less corrupt because of that argument made earlier, Okay the

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<v Speaker 1>judge maybe not of necessarily being corrupt. I don't it's

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<v Speaker 1>such a small portion, but it's I just feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it's important to still talk about those one percent pieces.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah well, I mean there, Yeah, I'm sure there was

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<v Speaker 2>some police officers in that force that were amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely. Yeah. So moving forward, as you guys continue

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to this, I do want you to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of keep an eye open or an ear open, and

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<v Speaker 1>really pay attention to not trying to be biased on

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<v Speaker 1>certain things, because that is really important in this case. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So John was certain he found them doing, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>more shady stuff, the whole license plate running little scam

426
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<v Speaker 1>they had going on, but no one believed him. This, however,

427
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<v Speaker 1>is where the story really takes a bit of a

428
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<v Speaker 1>nod turn. Since he had basically blown the whistle online

429
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<v Speaker 1>about the police allegedly potentially with their operation, he found

430
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<v Speaker 1>themselves he found himself being targeted by the Fresno Police Force. Okay,

431
00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:54.480
<v Speaker 1>so what he'd do is both to basically offer proof

432
00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:58.559
<v Speaker 1>and to watch his own back. John would install security

433
00:22:58.599 --> 00:23:01.519
<v Speaker 1>cameras around his property, and over the course of a

434
00:23:01.519 --> 00:23:05.440
<v Speaker 1>total of almost seven years, John was able to accumulate

435
00:23:05.480 --> 00:23:11.279
<v Speaker 1>footage of the alleged police harassments. They would to quote him,

436
00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:13.279
<v Speaker 1>harass and intimidate him.

437
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, that's scary, it is.

438
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't imagine having that situation. And I understand

439
00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:25.160
<v Speaker 1>there's so many people in the world today who feel

440
00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:28.559
<v Speaker 1>very much so like John. They don't have the police

441
00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:31.160
<v Speaker 1>to turn to, and that is such a scary thought.

442
00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, because then it's like, well, who else do

443
00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:35.559
<v Speaker 2>you have to turn to? Right, right?

444
00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:39.160
<v Speaker 1>It's terrifying. Oh yeah, And so this is what happens

445
00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:45.640
<v Speaker 1>if you are dealing with corrupt individuals in a authority figure,

446
00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:47.519
<v Speaker 1>police force sort of position.

447
00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or you'd kind of have a lack of trust

448
00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:50.680
<v Speaker 2>or something there.

449
00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yep. So John basically decided to take this all

450
00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:56.160
<v Speaker 1>online right, trying to blow the whistle on Facebook where

451
00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:58.119
<v Speaker 1>he could. And what he would do is he would

452
00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:01.599
<v Speaker 1>create a YouTube channel for himself called lang Marine and

453
00:24:01.599 --> 00:24:04.400
<v Speaker 1>the YouTube channel is still up today and this is

454
00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:07.119
<v Speaker 1>where he would upload a total of seventeen videos from

455
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<v Speaker 1>his home security footage. The first video he posted was

456
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:15.960
<v Speaker 1>from January thirteenth in twenty fourteen, where it shows a

457
00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:18.400
<v Speaker 1>silver or kind of a white pickup truck. Some people

458
00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:20.519
<v Speaker 1>say white, some say silver. I'm pretty sure it's silver,

459
00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:24.680
<v Speaker 1>but anyways, it drives by his house and like slows

460
00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:28.279
<v Speaker 1>down and then kind of picks up and drives away again.

461
00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:32.680
<v Speaker 1>And then moments later it returns again to drive by.

462
00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:34.359
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't slow down this time, but it does drive

463
00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:38.200
<v Speaker 1>by a second time. So John would write and believe

464
00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:41.359
<v Speaker 1>that this is an unmarked police vehicle and he'd actually

465
00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:46.000
<v Speaker 1>seen this vehicle follow him around town many times. He

466
00:24:46.119 --> 00:24:48.880
<v Speaker 1>also received a phone call shortly after the drive by,

467
00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:51.359
<v Speaker 1>and as soon as he answered the phone, the person

468
00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:53.759
<v Speaker 1>on the other end click hung up.

469
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's a bit alarming, a little for sure. Okay,

470
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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean I should probably save this later, but

471
00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna throw one tiny little tidbit out go

472
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:06.480
<v Speaker 2>for it, so I don't forget is basically it kind

473
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<v Speaker 2>of also seems like the police department had friends in

474
00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:14.279
<v Speaker 2>scary places too, so that when I think, when I

475
00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:16.359
<v Speaker 2>what initially popped my head is it was like it

476
00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:20.160
<v Speaker 2>could be you know, like the they had like drug

477
00:25:20.359 --> 00:25:24.920
<v Speaker 2>trafficking relationships or whatever, and it was like them just

478
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:27.400
<v Speaker 2>like trying to scare this guy that was like going

479
00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:28.680
<v Speaker 2>off online kind of thing.

480
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<v Speaker 1>That entire time you were talking Garth Brooks was playing

481
00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:33.759
<v Speaker 1>in my head. Why I've got friends?

482
00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:36.839
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's why.

483
00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:39.680
<v Speaker 1>But no, I definitely agree there is a very high

484
00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:43.480
<v Speaker 1>potential of it. Yeah, not necessarily being the officers, but yeah,

485
00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:45.079
<v Speaker 1>being there they're friends.

486
00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:47.079
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, so that's what I was kind of thought

487
00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:49.319
<v Speaker 2>when I heard like this truck going by sort of thing.

488
00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:51.519
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, but let's see what else happens here.

489
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<v Speaker 1>Well, each one of his uploaded videos does contain a

490
00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:57.359
<v Speaker 1>lengthy written explanation in the description, Okay, basically in what

491
00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:00.680
<v Speaker 1>John believes is going on in the clip. He's got

492
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:02.519
<v Speaker 1>seventeen videos, so I'm not going to sit here and

493
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:04.799
<v Speaker 1>describe to you each and every one of his videos, right,

494
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:09.759
<v Speaker 1>But basically, some clips show police vehicles driving by. Others

495
00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:15.599
<v Speaker 1>show suspicious unmarked vehicles driving by. Some are more than

496
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.200
<v Speaker 1>just drive bys. Really. There are clips of police making

497
00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:24.359
<v Speaker 1>arrests outside his house. There's videos of individuals attempting to

498
00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:27.960
<v Speaker 1>break into his property, oh wow, and alleged gaps in

499
00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:30.920
<v Speaker 1>his security footage where he claims the cameras were tampered

500
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:31.839
<v Speaker 1>with or hacked.

501
00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:35.240
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's I don't like that.

502
00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there are all allegedly as far as John is concerned,

503
00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:44.200
<v Speaker 1>coming from the Fresno police.

504
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so he's very convinced.

505
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:49.720
<v Speaker 1>He's very convinced. Now, many people who heard John's story

506
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:52.559
<v Speaker 1>at this time played him off as paranoid or even

507
00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:57.680
<v Speaker 1>potentially schizophrenic. But one video that John captured may may

508
00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:02.599
<v Speaker 1>very well be so convincing that it may be even

509
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:05.559
<v Speaker 1>able to change the mind of someone who's super skeptical.

510
00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:10.839
<v Speaker 1>Ok So, this video, in particular, the caption begins by

511
00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:13.880
<v Speaker 1>saying this, This is quoted right off his YouTube channel,

512
00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:19.039
<v Speaker 1>his writing, this is the same Fresno, California sheriff crew

513
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:22.279
<v Speaker 1>that has been illegally entering my property and home when

514
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I leave my house. Here they are using an infrared

515
00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:29.519
<v Speaker 1>thermal imager to see if I am home. They then

516
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:33.160
<v Speaker 1>phone a waiting second party with information as to whether

517
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:36.640
<v Speaker 1>or not I am home. Fresno Police Department fails to

518
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:40.119
<v Speaker 1>fully investigate my complaint on this incident, which I fully

519
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:44.240
<v Speaker 1>detailed in my Fresno Police Department internal affairs complaint. If

520
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:48.440
<v Speaker 1>anyone can identify any of the Fresno Sheriff personnel in

521
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:53.559
<v Speaker 1>this video, please forward their names. So the video was

522
00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:57.960
<v Speaker 1>taken on April fifteenth, twenty fifteen, and again his channel

523
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:00.400
<v Speaker 1>is up. The video is there, you can watch. I'll

524
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:03.000
<v Speaker 1>put in the description below, and it shows a black

525
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:05.640
<v Speaker 1>van on the street on the other side of John's house.

526
00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:09.119
<v Speaker 1>The side door of the van is slit open, and

527
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:12.519
<v Speaker 1>you can see a man holding an elaborate camera rig

528
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:16.680
<v Speaker 1>pointed directly at John's house. This is no question that

529
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:20.599
<v Speaker 1>it's a camera rig. This is plain as day. So

530
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:23.039
<v Speaker 1>after a few moments, the man shuts the door of

531
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:25.440
<v Speaker 1>the van, talks to someone in the front driver's seat

532
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:27.799
<v Speaker 1>who is clearly also talking to someone on the cell phone,

533
00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:32.160
<v Speaker 1>and then they simply drive away. Oh man, the van

534
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:34.319
<v Speaker 1>or men inside the van have never been identified.

535
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Hmm, okay, well, I mean especially if that's happened. Okay,

536
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:43.640
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I would notice that, be a bit alarmed,

537
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:47.359
<v Speaker 2>for sure, But that if that was really the only thing,

538
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.240
<v Speaker 2>you kind of probably you know, you'd make up, Oh

539
00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:52.480
<v Speaker 2>it's this happened, it was because of this, right, You

540
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:55.319
<v Speaker 2>always make up different scenarios in your head or make

541
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:57.599
<v Speaker 2>it seem okay. But if there was a bunch of

542
00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:03.000
<v Speaker 2>other things already happening and then that happens, shit, right,

543
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:05.000
<v Speaker 2>like shit, I.

544
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Mean it like shit, for sure. It's sketchy as fuck.

545
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:09.799
<v Speaker 1>I do want to say one thing though, for sure,

546
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:11.759
<v Speaker 1>because I know quite a bit about cameras, and so

547
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:15.839
<v Speaker 1>do you. I'm almost positive this is not an infrared camera,

548
00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Like I am like ninety nine nine percent sure it's

549
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:22.640
<v Speaker 1>not an infrared camera. It does appear to be like

550
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:25.200
<v Speaker 1>a DSLR of some sort. Its like a digital like

551
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:27.720
<v Speaker 1>a cannon or a Nikon camera, a high end one,

552
00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>don't get me wrong. But it does seem to have

553
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.279
<v Speaker 1>like a kind of a lower end cinema lens. And

554
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:35.480
<v Speaker 1>it's all on a gimbal, so like a two handed

555
00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:38.279
<v Speaker 1>gimbals and steady, easy footage.

556
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:40.759
<v Speaker 2>And they're not filming the neighbors and stuff it's just

557
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:41.720
<v Speaker 2>literally his.

558
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:45.079
<v Speaker 1>House pointed directly at his house, and that's it.

559
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:49.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, how can you justify that? I guess because

560
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean if it was kind of this van was

561
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:55.079
<v Speaker 2>driving and getting his neighbors too, then then you could

562
00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>justify it. But just his house is kind of odd.

563
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, there was a comment, and I didn't copy copy

564
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:04.680
<v Speaker 1>it off Reddit, but I did find this one individual

565
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:09.000
<v Speaker 1>talking about it. It's not a fool proof idea, but

566
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:13.440
<v Speaker 1>it's not a bad potential explanation. They said, well, he's

567
00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:17.400
<v Speaker 1>been contacting news sources, right, what if it is a

568
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.839
<v Speaker 1>local news source who is maybe getting clips of his

569
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.440
<v Speaker 1>house or something to report the story. I mean we

570
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:24.920
<v Speaker 1>just don't know. Yeah, but no one's come forward to

571
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:25.440
<v Speaker 1>say it's them.

572
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:28.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because even if he has this YouTube channel

573
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:32.480
<v Speaker 2>and people are kind of aware of his allegations and stuff,

574
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:34.799
<v Speaker 2>there are people out there that just like to fuck

575
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:37.480
<v Speaker 2>with other people too. Yeah, and they and they, if

576
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:39.720
<v Speaker 2>they found on his address, they could just be doing

577
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:41.119
<v Speaker 2>shit to like scare him more.

578
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Not just anyone has this camera gear though, especially we're

579
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:49.039
<v Speaker 1>looking at twenty sixteen, I mean nowadays, yeah, but even

580
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:50.839
<v Speaker 1>still even five years ago.

581
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:52.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true.

582
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:55.519
<v Speaker 1>I did just want to mention though, because I'm pretty

583
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:58.200
<v Speaker 1>sure this isn't infrared. I'm like ninety nine point nine

584
00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:02.039
<v Speaker 1>percent censure. John did say it's infrared, which to me

585
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:05.680
<v Speaker 1>says John is jumping to conclusions in this incident. Oh Okay,

586
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:06.440
<v Speaker 1>he's making.

587
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:09.720
<v Speaker 2>Assumptions because he thinks it's it's there to check to

588
00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:10.680
<v Speaker 2>see if he's home.

589
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I mean what if. What if it's a real

590
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.359
<v Speaker 1>estate agent who's maybe making a video for houses in

591
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:20.119
<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood and they just like the architecture in his

592
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>house and he went into this real estate agent's video.

593
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, I've honestly taken photos of people's houses

594
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:29.559
<v Speaker 2>and stuff before because I'm like, oh, I like the

595
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:32.119
<v Speaker 2>design of that. Yeah, and if they see you doing that,

596
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:33.319
<v Speaker 2>they'd probably like what the fuck.

597
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But in this defense, this was like a crew.

598
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:37.079
<v Speaker 1>There was like three.

599
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a bit more than just some chick walking

600
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:40.920
<v Speaker 2>by with a camera.

601
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So yeah, he's to me, kind of jumping to

602
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.960
<v Speaker 1>conclusions potentially in a little bit of at least this video,

603
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:50.799
<v Speaker 1>potentially more.

604
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.160
<v Speaker 2>But he's also scared at this point too.

605
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:54.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, thoroughly.

606
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:55.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

607
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:58.559
<v Speaker 1>So the sum of his content posted it seems to

608
00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:01.400
<v Speaker 1>be that the police were not only stocking and intimidating him,

609
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:04.440
<v Speaker 1>but also trying to set him up to be arrested

610
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:07.559
<v Speaker 1>on charges. So he alleged in one of his online

611
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:09.799
<v Speaker 1>posts that he believed the police had entered his home

612
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:13.880
<v Speaker 1>while he was away one day and copied his hard drives.

613
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:17.559
<v Speaker 1>His theory was that they were potentially wanting to set

614
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>him up on child pornography charges to get him arrested.

615
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, did he have that, No, but that that's what.

616
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:27.119
<v Speaker 1>He's sitting here saying. He's like, they're probably trying to

617
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:29.000
<v Speaker 1>do this. He's like, so if you see me like

618
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:31.160
<v Speaker 1>this is going to come down here soon, I bet

619
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:33.359
<v Speaker 1>you this is what could be what's happening. He's not

620
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:34.880
<v Speaker 1>outing himself saying I'm like, I.

621
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:38.359
<v Speaker 2>Got child are almost planting something just to get okay.

622
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:40.079
<v Speaker 1>He's trying to stay one step ahead of the cops.

623
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:43.160
<v Speaker 1>He's basically got like, I've got a copy of my

624
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:46.039
<v Speaker 1>hard drives. They now have a copy, and they're planting

625
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:48.200
<v Speaker 1>shit in my heart drives and when they arrest me,

626
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:49.880
<v Speaker 1>they're going to say these are my heart drives.

627
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:54.319
<v Speaker 2>To say that the police entered his home without you know,

628
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:55.519
<v Speaker 2>a warrant or anything.

629
00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:57.680
<v Speaker 1>Is quite that's a heavy allegation.

630
00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:58.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that really is.

631
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I do want to say that, like John

632
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:04.440
<v Speaker 1>wasn't certain on like saying, oh, they're definitely trying to

633
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.720
<v Speaker 1>get me rested on child pornography charges. He's just saying, like,

634
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:09.920
<v Speaker 1>it's probably gonna be something like this. They might be

635
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:13.319
<v Speaker 1>trying to get another way. There was another one where

636
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.799
<v Speaker 1>he saw a garbage truck drive by and his wife

637
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:18.960
<v Speaker 1>had just recently been had her ex wife now by

638
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:22.759
<v Speaker 1>this time, had had her purse stolen, and so he's like, well,

639
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe check the neighbor's garbage cans and stuff like this, right,

640
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:27.880
<v Speaker 1>because maybe like someone stole out of your car and

641
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:29.920
<v Speaker 1>like dumped it and stole cash and dumped it in

642
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:32.640
<v Speaker 1>a garbage can down the house, right, Yeah, And so

643
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:36.799
<v Speaker 1>he's thinking his phones, all that sort of stuff is tapped. Now,

644
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:39.519
<v Speaker 1>this garbage truck is driving by, which by the way,

645
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:42.680
<v Speaker 1>did have police officers not far behind it, drive in

646
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:45.480
<v Speaker 1>front of his house. He was thinking that what they

647
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.559
<v Speaker 1>were going to do was plant the purse in his

648
00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:50.599
<v Speaker 1>garbage can with this garbage truck and the police were

649
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>going to come up and then catch him on that.

650
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.519
<v Speaker 1>But he didn't have his garbage can out that day,

651
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:55.880
<v Speaker 1>not yet, and he missed it.

652
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

653
00:33:57.279 --> 00:33:59.759
<v Speaker 1>So he's coming up with these different theories on potential

654
00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:02.160
<v Speaker 1>things that they might be trying to do.

655
00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:06.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that, okay, I can kind of understand that one

656
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:08.679
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. But it also seems like it's kind

657
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:12.440
<v Speaker 2>of like an overactive imagination too. Potentially.

658
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Yes, definitely, I agree. He's really reaching for a lot here,

659
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:20.239
<v Speaker 1>and many people believe the same sort of thing. Many

660
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:23.880
<v Speaker 1>are like, he's like, something's going on, maybe mental health,

661
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:29.199
<v Speaker 1>potential schizophrenic, as I said earlier, a severe paranoia, something's

662
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:31.920
<v Speaker 1>going on, like this stuff isn't happening. But he's basically

663
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.760
<v Speaker 1>their attitude. So one day, though, John's Facebook post became

664
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:41.239
<v Speaker 1>much darker than anything he had posted before. John knew

665
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:43.559
<v Speaker 1>that if the police weren't able to set him up

666
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:45.800
<v Speaker 1>for a false arrest and get him on some charges

667
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:48.199
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, there would only be one other way to

668
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:53.320
<v Speaker 1>silence him. So on January fourteenth, twenty sixteen, he said

669
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:56.559
<v Speaker 1>this in a Facebook post. Just wanted to give you

670
00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:59.079
<v Speaker 1>guys a heads up. If anything happens to me in

671
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:01.239
<v Speaker 1>the next day or two, it will be the result

672
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:04.679
<v Speaker 1>of the Fresno Police Department, my neighbor and an employee

673
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:10.199
<v Speaker 1>yet my pay less breaks and tires on Blackstone, basically

674
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:12.960
<v Speaker 1>saying something's gonna happen. These are the people responsible.

675
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:14.199
<v Speaker 2>So wow.

676
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:16.800
<v Speaker 1>He believed other people were corroborating and helping the police

677
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:18.960
<v Speaker 1>with information on him and gaining access and stuff.

678
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:21.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, sorry, is he saying I just need to clarify

679
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:24.119
<v Speaker 2>something that his neighbors and his employer are also in

680
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:24.480
<v Speaker 2>on this?

681
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, he said, my neighbor and an employee at my job.

682
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:33.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, so specific individuals, right, okay.

683
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:36.360
<v Speaker 1>The next day, on the fifteenth, he reached out to

684
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:40.559
<v Speaker 1>a reporter named Corn Hogard from Action News and on

685
00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Facebook he said, this, Cooran, you want some news. Corrupt

686
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Fresno cops are going to try and kill me this weekend,

687
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:52.920
<v Speaker 1>possibly tonight. This is no joke. Please follow up on

688
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.639
<v Speaker 1>my story regardless of what happens or what version the

689
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:59.159
<v Speaker 1>cops and the Fresno be come up with. Please check

690
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:04.119
<v Speaker 1>out Jody Murray dot com and my YouTube site. Thank you. Oh,

691
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I want to brush up on who Jody Murray is.

692
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Jody Murray is from the Fresno b the police. I'd

693
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:12.880
<v Speaker 1>sorry the newspaper. Okay, he was an individual who worked there,

694
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.400
<v Speaker 1>and John believed was responsible for supplying his IP address

695
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:19.800
<v Speaker 1>and many other people as well who would comment and

696
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:23.800
<v Speaker 1>because I'm und okay, So when he originally approached the

697
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Fresno b he's like, hey, you know, this is what's

698
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:28.679
<v Speaker 1>happening with the little scam they're running. He believed this

699
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:32.000
<v Speaker 1>individual was the one responsible for telling the police department

700
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:35.039
<v Speaker 1>who he was via his IP address, and then they

701
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:36.880
<v Speaker 1>re routed and started harassing him that way.

702
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.320
<v Speaker 2>I wonder why he thought that, Like there had to

703
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:42.519
<v Speaker 2>been a reason, you know. So that's interesting.

704
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:47.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. On the sixteenth, he posted his last YouTube video.

705
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:49.599
<v Speaker 1>It shows a white van parked in front of his

706
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:52.440
<v Speaker 1>neighbor's house just right beside him. The van has a

707
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:56.000
<v Speaker 1>business name across the side, Guarantee Carpet and Upholstery Cleaning.

708
00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:58.559
<v Speaker 1>A man can be seen standing next to the van

709
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:03.559
<v Speaker 1>and glancing towards John's house a few times before shoving

710
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:05.679
<v Speaker 1>a flyer in the neighbor's mailbox and driving away.

711
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I look around a lot oddly, though, So I'm

712
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:12.679
<v Speaker 2>just saying, like me, if someone were to watch me,

713
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:14.559
<v Speaker 2>they'd probably think I'm up to no good.

714
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes that's true. And I mean there is like a

715
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:18.559
<v Speaker 1>phone number and a whole business thing on this and

716
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:21.599
<v Speaker 1>people have tried to dive into this business. Apparently it

717
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:28.000
<v Speaker 1>was absolved shortly after this case occurred. The website seemed

718
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:31.840
<v Speaker 1>very like sketchy, like very little information on.

719
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:33.760
<v Speaker 2>It, like it didn't exist.

720
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:36.679
<v Speaker 1>Almost Some people have said it is legit business, maybe

721
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:39.000
<v Speaker 1>just not a very well put together one or something.

722
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Others are saying no, like not really, Well did.

723
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:44.800
<v Speaker 2>They not give John a fly er too? Do they

724
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:46.360
<v Speaker 2>just literally give it to the neighbor and.

725
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:47.519
<v Speaker 1>That's it just the neighbor.

726
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, that's really weird. That's weird.

727
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:53.920
<v Speaker 1>One neighbor too, that's a bit odd. Yeah. So John

728
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:56.519
<v Speaker 1>posted that security footage with that guy in that van

729
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:58.719
<v Speaker 1>on his YouTube video that was his last one posted,

730
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:01.719
<v Speaker 1>and it went along with this caption, if I turn

731
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:04.920
<v Speaker 1>up missing or dead tomorrow, remember this van. I think

732
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:07.280
<v Speaker 1>I seen a couple guys sneak in the side door

733
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:10.559
<v Speaker 1>and into the building where it was parked in the

734
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:14.760
<v Speaker 1>carport this afternoon. I've been causing the city of Fresno

735
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:18.559
<v Speaker 1>a lot of problems recently, which I now regret. Sign

736
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:21.000
<v Speaker 1>on the door said guarantee carpet cleaning Fresno.

737
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, he should almost leave if he literally

738
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:28.480
<v Speaker 2>thinks that he's about to die here. He needs to

739
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:30.280
<v Speaker 2>like go on our little vacation and get the shit

740
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:30.800
<v Speaker 2>out of there.

741
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, he did kind of reach out for help a

742
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.440
<v Speaker 1>little bit, like he's saying this sort of stuff online, right, right,

743
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:38.079
<v Speaker 1>And he also posted and asked for some help from

744
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:42.280
<v Speaker 1>friends and family on Facebook. He posted and said, anyone

745
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:44.480
<v Speaker 1>want to crash at my pad tonight must be a

746
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:47.159
<v Speaker 1>legal gun owner. I think the bad guys might come

747
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:51.119
<v Speaker 1>and get me tonight, Oh my gosh. And then someone

748
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:55.519
<v Speaker 1>responded on that post saying wtf, and he went and

749
00:38:55.760 --> 00:39:00.119
<v Speaker 1>commented back, totally serious, Any serious patriots out there. I've

750
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:02.199
<v Speaker 1>seen a couple of guys sneak into the vacant building

751
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:05.119
<v Speaker 1>next to me. I've been under some threats recently because

752
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:06.280
<v Speaker 1>of my activism lately.

753
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, he's so scared, he is, but he maybe he doesn't.

754
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:12.719
<v Speaker 2>He literally doesn't have anywhere else to go.

755
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:18.360
<v Speaker 1>It's possible. Well, four days after that post, on January twentieth,

756
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:20.480
<v Speaker 1>John was found dead in his home.

757
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:22.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

758
00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:25.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he basically predicted he.

759
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Did so death he really really did.

760
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

761
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

762
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:34.119
<v Speaker 1>So on January twentieth, twenty sixteen, Fresnel Fire Department responded

763
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.400
<v Speaker 1>to a fire at six four eight North van Ness

764
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:41.079
<v Speaker 1>Avenue in Fresno, which is John's house after having to

765
00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:43.880
<v Speaker 1>force their way inside due to John securing the home

766
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:45.840
<v Speaker 1>very well because.

767
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:47.719
<v Speaker 2>He was scared shitless exactly.

768
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:50.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, firefighters found John laying on the floor in the

769
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:55.159
<v Speaker 1>kitchen of his home. John did not burn to death, however,

770
00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:01.079
<v Speaker 1>he did have multiple stab wounds. There were medical personnel

771
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:05.440
<v Speaker 1>who did attemptal attempt medical attention on John, but he

772
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:07.679
<v Speaker 1>was eventually pronounced dead a short time later at the

773
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Fresne Community Regional Medical Center.

774
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:13.400
<v Speaker 2>So he was locked in his house with stab booms.

775
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Correct, that was on fire.

776
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:21.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's a lot to kind of just like process.

777
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:26.199
<v Speaker 2>It is like a lot, it really is. Okay, I

778
00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:29.920
<v Speaker 2>need to hear a bit more about these stabs. Okay,

779
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to hear.

780
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:31.239
<v Speaker 3>So.

781
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:37.159
<v Speaker 1>Lieutenant Joe Gomez of the police Department's Public Information would

782
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.519
<v Speaker 1>speak publicly about the incident and told the press that

783
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:43.719
<v Speaker 1>John had been stabbed multiple times in the abdomen and

784
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:48.760
<v Speaker 1>back and that his house was set on fire. It

785
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:52.119
<v Speaker 1>seems like John had been attacked and of course murdered,

786
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.719
<v Speaker 1>which is where all of our minds are going. Yeah,

787
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:58.599
<v Speaker 1>but not only that, he of course predicted his own death.

788
00:40:58.639 --> 00:40:59.599
<v Speaker 1>He saw this coming.

789
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he really did. Like there is a lot to

790
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:05.119
<v Speaker 2>look back on there to see that.

791
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:09.800
<v Speaker 1>The next piece, though, is really interesting. The story was

792
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:15.519
<v Speaker 1>released to the public and then it suddenly changed. So

793
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:18.559
<v Speaker 1>Tony Body was a spokesperson for the Fresno County Sheriff

794
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:23.400
<v Speaker 1>and Corner. He said John had three superficial self inflicted

795
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:26.360
<v Speaker 1>stab wounds to the chest and no cuts on his back,

796
00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:29.119
<v Speaker 1>despite what was initially reported to by law enforcement.

797
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, okay, so that really changed because before it

798
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.719
<v Speaker 2>wasn't like the abdomen in the back, correct, and now

799
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:39.519
<v Speaker 2>there's superficial.

800
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:40.639
<v Speaker 1>Three superficial ones to his chest.

801
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:42.840
<v Speaker 2>But like, if he was trying to kill himself, what

802
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.800
<v Speaker 2>would be the point of him doing that? Yeah, like

803
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:51.840
<v Speaker 2>three superficial stab wounds to his chest. Yeah, that doesn't

804
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:53.000
<v Speaker 2>make sense, it doesn't.

805
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean everyone was literally confused, just like you are.

806
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.079
<v Speaker 1>You're staring at me with a blank ster right now,

807
00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:00.000
<v Speaker 1>You're like, what the fuck been? I'm pretty sure that's

808
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.840
<v Speaker 1>it's the same stare everyone had when they were watching

809
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:03.679
<v Speaker 1>some TV and looking at their phones, like what the

810
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:04.320
<v Speaker 1>fuck president?

811
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, yeah, uh so.

812
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.559
<v Speaker 1>They're basically, why was it reported that he had stab

813
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:11.239
<v Speaker 1>wounds on his chest and his back and all of

814
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:14.480
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, now it's changed to three superficial wounds on

815
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:14.960
<v Speaker 1>his chest.

816
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.960
<v Speaker 2>It's not really something even just take away one percent.

817
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:21.599
<v Speaker 1>So Lieutenant Burke Farah, who's the head of the homicide unit,

818
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.000
<v Speaker 1>said that it was incorrect information that was released at

819
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:27.199
<v Speaker 1>the scene by Lieutenant Joe Gomez and he basically just

820
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:31.239
<v Speaker 1>made a mistake. It's a pretty significant mistake to make.

821
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is that did that lieutenant get fired because he

822
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:40.800
<v Speaker 2>said the wrong thing? Though, Like he's probably is getting

823
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.199
<v Speaker 2>some heat because he didn't cover up something that he

824
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:44.239
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to cover up.

825
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Potentially, Yeah, but they changed. It's fine. Well, on May sixteenth,

826
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:53.119
<v Speaker 1>which was four months later, the Corner's report would be released,

827
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:56.679
<v Speaker 1>and I do have the full Corners report available, Okay,

828
00:42:56.719 --> 00:42:57.639
<v Speaker 1>so that's gonna be the show.

829
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:02.000
<v Speaker 2>I also feel like a private autopsy of sorts maybe

830
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:03.280
<v Speaker 2>needed to be done.

831
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:08.679
<v Speaker 1>Potential, but the report stated manner of death suicide, cause

832
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:11.760
<v Speaker 1>of death inhalation of smoke and soot, due to fire

833
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:16.320
<v Speaker 1>with multiple stab wounds as a contributing factor. So when

834
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:19.360
<v Speaker 1>John's body was brought in, police also brought in two

835
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:22.719
<v Speaker 1>kitchen knives with John. One was a bread knife, so

836
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.079
<v Speaker 1>a serrated bread knife, and the other was a Japanese

837
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:27.800
<v Speaker 1>style kitchen knife. So the report said that it was

838
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:33.119
<v Speaker 1>possible John used the bread knife to stab himself. However, however,

839
00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:35.679
<v Speaker 1>the other knife was inconsistent with the size of the

840
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:40.280
<v Speaker 1>third stab wound in his chest. What's interesting in this

841
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:42.920
<v Speaker 1>report is that it does not make any mention of

842
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the stab wounds to the back, but it does, however,

843
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:48.719
<v Speaker 1>detail the stab wounds to the chest, which penetrate through

844
00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:53.199
<v Speaker 1>the sternum and one even making contact with a ventricle

845
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 1>of his heart.

846
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, So those aren't really superficial that No,

847
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, could you imagine doing that to your.

848
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:03.360
<v Speaker 1>With abserrated bread knife?

849
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:07.519
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, Because I mean, if you was suicidal, I

850
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:11.800
<v Speaker 2>feel like I don't know that he might have done

851
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:14.159
<v Speaker 2>it a different way than that you.

852
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Would potentially think. I can't imagine anyone even trying to

853
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:24.239
<v Speaker 1>consider potential mental health situations. I can't fathom someone being

854
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:27.360
<v Speaker 1>able to do that with a serrated bread knife that

855
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:33.360
<v Speaker 1>has a blunt tip. Usually yeah, breaking through their sternum

856
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:34.199
<v Speaker 1>into their.

857
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Heart, because that's like that would be like a lot

858
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:41.920
<v Speaker 2>of force. Oh you bet, But I mean sometimes like

859
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:49.000
<v Speaker 2>the sometimes mental health illnesses do make you like do

860
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:51.760
<v Speaker 2>almost I can't think of the word.

861
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:57.239
<v Speaker 1>Like superhuman sort of very goal. Yeah, no, I totally gotcha,

862
00:44:57.320 --> 00:44:59.719
<v Speaker 1>But I I just I don't see a way. I

863
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:04.639
<v Speaker 1>don't see that being able to happen because he would

864
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:08.000
<v Speaker 1>have had to have light the fire first. He would

865
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:12.400
<v Speaker 1>have lit the fire and then stabbed himself and then

866
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:18.199
<v Speaker 1>succumb to the exphyxiation from the fire, right, so he

867
00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:21.199
<v Speaker 1>would have been in a rush probably adrenaline. You're right,

868
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:25.559
<v Speaker 1>but I think it would have taken like some serious thought.

869
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:29.199
<v Speaker 1>Your first attempts probably going to fail, guaranteed fail, But

870
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:33.280
<v Speaker 1>there was no such failure found.

871
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and then too, like if he did a

872
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:37.320
<v Speaker 2>first attempt, though, you might be like, what the what

873
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.519
<v Speaker 2>the fuck am I doing here? And you know, kind

874
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:41.360
<v Speaker 2>of wake up and realize, oh my gosh, like I

875
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:41.880
<v Speaker 2>want to live.

876
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:46.440
<v Speaker 1>So to me, they either did not get the correct

877
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:51.039
<v Speaker 1>knife or weapon or how he did it or something

878
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:51.880
<v Speaker 1>is superfishy.

879
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.320
<v Speaker 2>And if he did it himself though, it would be

880
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:57.719
<v Speaker 2>very much so obvious what the correct weapon would be, yeah,

881
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.760
<v Speaker 2>because it would be right there, right yeah, So that

882
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:02.159
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be something you'd mess up.

883
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Correct. So of course his death was ruled a suicide,

884
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.400
<v Speaker 1>meaning John did this to himself. The knife is now

885
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:13.639
<v Speaker 1>identified as this bread knife. He apparently stabbed himself in

886
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:16.639
<v Speaker 1>the chest three times with it, hard enough to break

887
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:22.360
<v Speaker 1>through his sternum and rate one reach towards his heart gosh.

888
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.679
<v Speaker 1>The report also mentioned John had cameras inside his home

889
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:28.159
<v Speaker 1>and on the day of his death, the report claimed

890
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:30.880
<v Speaker 1>John walked in front of the cameras twice with a

891
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:34.840
<v Speaker 1>knife and in his hand, sorry, knife in his hand,

892
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:38.159
<v Speaker 1>before shutting the cameras off, But no such footage has

893
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:42.599
<v Speaker 1>ever been released really correct, so, no such footage has

894
00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:45.119
<v Speaker 1>ever been shown of John walking in front of a

895
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:48.079
<v Speaker 1>camera twice with a knife before shutting off the footage, because.

896
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:50.400
<v Speaker 2>You don't think that he would shut it off for himself.

897
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Which actually, now that I think about it, I do

898
00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:56.760
<v Speaker 1>have the crime scene photos for this as well, and

899
00:46:56.840 --> 00:47:01.599
<v Speaker 1>I do recall them showing the case every single camera

900
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:05.239
<v Speaker 1>on his house. I wonder if they do show any

901
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:07.960
<v Speaker 1>camera inside his home. I never even thought to look

902
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:11.079
<v Speaker 1>at that until just now. No, Okay, okay, we're gonna

903
00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:12.480
<v Speaker 1>look that up in the post show. We're gonna look

904
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:14.559
<v Speaker 1>that up in the post show. For show.

905
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Ben's is like, now he's you've already gone down a

906
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:19.599
<v Speaker 2>rabbit hole, but you're continuing to go down.

907
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh you know it. So so many people call bullshit

908
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:24.679
<v Speaker 1>in this whole Corner's report. In the story on what

909
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:28.280
<v Speaker 1>actually happened, basically, the matter that death is just like

910
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:31.760
<v Speaker 1>not the fuck, no way, No one really realized that

911
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:36.320
<v Speaker 1>it was potentially true. John was just paranoid, but he

912
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:41.199
<v Speaker 1>did potentially predict his own murder. Yeah, so maybe he

913
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:42.320
<v Speaker 1>was actually onto something.

914
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, this okay, this is just such a bizarre story,

915
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:51.239
<v Speaker 2>and it really is because it's also just like, okay, yeah,

916
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:54.320
<v Speaker 2>he could have predicted his own murder or was this

917
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:58.400
<v Speaker 2>all just like some sort of crazy ass story that

918
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:04.599
<v Speaker 2>he went about doing and then and then did commit suicide.

919
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:06.639
<v Speaker 1>Potentially because maybe he was trying to frame the police.

920
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:09.920
<v Speaker 1>There is a potential of that maybe he was has

921
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:13.360
<v Speaker 1>struggling with mental illness to such a degree that he

922
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:16.679
<v Speaker 1>did this to try and bring down the police, saying

923
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:20.760
<v Speaker 1>if I frame them, then maybe I can get some

924
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:24.639
<v Speaker 1>shit going on. There is a potential of that. I'm

925
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:25.679
<v Speaker 1>not going to deny that.

926
00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

927
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:31.000
<v Speaker 1>So, after John's suicide or potential murder or whichever one

928
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:34.320
<v Speaker 1>you potentially think it, cause of course a lot of

929
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:38.239
<v Speaker 1>outrage among his now social media followers and everything. However,

930
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:42.719
<v Speaker 1>media outlets barely touched the story at all.

931
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:46.599
<v Speaker 2>Really, really, I thought the media would be literally all

932
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:47.119
<v Speaker 2>over this.

933
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:50.039
<v Speaker 1>Nope, hardly touched it at all. What the fought And

934
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:52.639
<v Speaker 1>his online diary that he kept basically kind of like

935
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.679
<v Speaker 1>a like a blog sort of thing where he documented

936
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:58.199
<v Speaker 1>many of the incidents and stuff was immediately taken down

937
00:48:58.239 --> 00:48:59.440
<v Speaker 1>after his death as well.

938
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:01.519
<v Speaker 2>And who took that down? Then?

939
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:03.159
<v Speaker 3>Whoa?

940
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:06.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, well that could do that. Could probably have

941
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:08.119
<v Speaker 2>been the police of sorts that took that down.

942
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:11.280
<v Speaker 1>It also could have been the fire that took it down. Yeah,

943
00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:13.000
<v Speaker 1>maybe he stored it all in a hard drive in

944
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:15.159
<v Speaker 1>his home and the fire it got damaged.

945
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:19.239
<v Speaker 2>I guess. But if it was like literally online, you

946
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:21.519
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't think once it's online, it's online.

947
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was not online, it was stored in like

948
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:25.079
<v Speaker 1>a hard drive. And then when you go to this

949
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:27.840
<v Speaker 1>website to access is the hard drive. Maybe he didn't

950
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.960
<v Speaker 1>actually stored it on the internet. Okay, so there is

951
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:32.719
<v Speaker 1>potential of that that might explain it.

952
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:36.519
<v Speaker 2>You're really looking at all angles, you're playing Devil's Advocate it.

953
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:37.960
<v Speaker 1>I think it's important to do that with it.

954
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:42.719
<v Speaker 2>It is no, it is Yeah, where.

955
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Did I find myself here? Oh right. One thing that

956
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:47.760
<v Speaker 1>is really interesting is the group Anonymous, you know, the

957
00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:54.599
<v Speaker 1>activist group. They publicly targeted Fresno police and representatives with

958
00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:59.960
<v Speaker 1>this really basically saying that like, shit's going to go down.

959
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to play you guys the video because the

960
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:04.400
<v Speaker 1>video disc does still exist, So I'm going to play

961
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:08.039
<v Speaker 1>you what they said directly to the Fresno police and

962
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:11.599
<v Speaker 1>city representatives. Okay, okay, So here we go, Hello.

963
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:14.880
<v Speaker 3>And welcome, brothers and sisters of the world. Today we

964
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:18.679
<v Speaker 3>have a very important message one of our deceased brothers,

965
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:22.000
<v Speaker 3>John Lang. It has come to the attention of the

966
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.880
<v Speaker 3>collective that the murder of our brother has gone without

967
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:28.320
<v Speaker 3>a whisper from the Fresno media. John Lang was an

968
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:30.920
<v Speaker 3>activist doing what most of us have set out to do.

969
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:34.920
<v Speaker 3>Exposed option, bring lies to the service for all to see,

970
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:37.559
<v Speaker 3>stand up for people who have not yet learned to

971
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:41.519
<v Speaker 3>stand up for themselves. He was exposing the Fresno Police

972
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:46.320
<v Speaker 3>Department for running a ticketing scam, scanning parts civilian vehicles

973
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:49.440
<v Speaker 3>in parking areas and using the gathered information to pull

974
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:53.760
<v Speaker 3>the vehicle over shortly after departing. He repeatedly reported this

975
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:58.320
<v Speaker 3>find to the local media. The Fresno b unemployee named

976
00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:01.559
<v Speaker 3>Jody Murray from the Knight gave the Frasno Police his

977
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:05.559
<v Speaker 3>IP address and information. That is when the harassment began

978
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:09.320
<v Speaker 3>that eventually led to our brother's death. Jody Murray of

979
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:12.679
<v Speaker 3>the Fresno be claims he gave John's information away because

980
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:16.559
<v Speaker 3>he was mentally ill, an overuse tactic used by most

981
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:20.400
<v Speaker 3>mainstream media outlets. Attack one's character and people will no

982
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:24.639
<v Speaker 3>longer care you were wrong. If you look into the

983
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:27.440
<v Speaker 3>alternate media reports of John Lang, you can see and

984
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:30.559
<v Speaker 3>judge for yourself, and in fact, I encourage al.

985
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:30.880
<v Speaker 1>To do so.

986
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:35.199
<v Speaker 3>This is a call to action, Brothers and sisters. We

987
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:39.280
<v Speaker 3>cannot let this go without further investigation. Since the people

988
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:42.239
<v Speaker 3>John Lang reached out to investigate this have failed to

989
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:45.559
<v Speaker 3>launch fun, including the FBI he also reached out to

990
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:48.719
<v Speaker 3>for help, then we will This is a call for

991
00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:53.519
<v Speaker 3>Operation Fresno and Operation John Lang. To kick off the operation,

992
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:57.840
<v Speaker 3>the Fresno city website got taken down today. Consider this

993
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:00.920
<v Speaker 3>a taste of what is to come. John Lang will

994
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:04.320
<v Speaker 3>have justice to Jody Murray and the City of Fresno.

995
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:09.719
<v Speaker 3>We are anonymous, we are a legion. We do not forgive,

996
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:13.039
<v Speaker 3>we do not forget. Expect us.

997
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, they took down the city's websites.

998
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:19.599
<v Speaker 1>You bet you well.

999
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:23.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean they usually mean like business they do, and

1000
00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:25.079
<v Speaker 2>like I don't know a lot about them.

1001
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:26.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone does. I think that's why they're

1002
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:27.880
<v Speaker 1>called anonymous touche.

1003
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:33.239
<v Speaker 2>But they generally seem like they for them to go

1004
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:38.800
<v Speaker 2>and do something like that, that like there's some backing

1005
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:40.559
<v Speaker 2>behind it, do you know what I'm saying?

1006
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:42.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's usually reason.

1007
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:47.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So like they've like they've done their their research

1008
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:49.719
<v Speaker 2>in a sense. Yeah, and they really do believe this.

1009
00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So so that's that that holds some weight.

1010
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1011
00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:57.599
<v Speaker 1>There is another little strange tidbit here I want to mention,

1012
00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:01.480
<v Speaker 1>and it could be potentially again John being paranoid. Many

1013
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:05.840
<v Speaker 1>people act this way for their own reasons. But strangely enough,

1014
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:07.960
<v Speaker 1>John does not have a single picture of himself on

1015
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:10.840
<v Speaker 1>the internet, not one. We do not know what John.

1016
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Looks like, really, correct, We have no idea.

1017
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:18.920
<v Speaker 1>No, I mean, we have descriptions from his coronary report,

1018
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:24.000
<v Speaker 1>his autopsy, and there are technically two photos that do exist.

1019
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:26.880
<v Speaker 1>One person from Reddit who claims to have gone to

1020
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:29.679
<v Speaker 1>high school with John and has this old, blurry kind

1021
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:31.679
<v Speaker 1>of photo from a high school.

1022
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Well you think someone out there does not have loved

1023
00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:36.239
<v Speaker 2>ones would have photos of him.

1024
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, potentially, but not online. There's nothing online. No confirmed

1025
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:41.880
<v Speaker 1>photos of John exist online.

1026
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Does John exist?

1027
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:47.960
<v Speaker 1>There is his driver's license in the corner's report again, okay,

1028
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:51.079
<v Speaker 1>however it's a photocopy and it looks absolutely terrible. You

1029
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:53.840
<v Speaker 1>can barely see what he looks like at all. Wow, barely.

1030
00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:58.360
<v Speaker 1>So it could be like a male and that is

1031
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:00.960
<v Speaker 1>basically what that's right, Hey, that's a dude. I think

1032
00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:02.760
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't know, but there.

1033
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:04.719
<v Speaker 2>Could be a lot of people out there, like say,

1034
00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:07.599
<v Speaker 2>if they didn't they haven't had a job where they

1035
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:11.239
<v Speaker 2>have had to have their photo out on like the website,

1036
00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:14.840
<v Speaker 2>on the company's website, or they haven't done any sort

1037
00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:18.039
<v Speaker 2>of social media things like it. It might not be

1038
00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:19.960
<v Speaker 2>super rare that they wouldn't have a photo o.

1039
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and some people decide, you know, IM just going

1040
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:26.519
<v Speaker 1>to take photos offline or something. Yeah, it's potential. So

1041
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:29.239
<v Speaker 1>this is the end of John's story. His death was

1042
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:33.679
<v Speaker 1>officially ruled as suicide, and it's believed that he both

1043
00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:36.440
<v Speaker 1>stabbed himself three times in the chest with a serrated

1044
00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:39.760
<v Speaker 1>bread knife and set fire to his own home. Little

1045
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:42.639
<v Speaker 1>to no evidence has been brought forward to show that

1046
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:45.880
<v Speaker 1>this is what was done on his own and little

1047
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:48.960
<v Speaker 1>to no evidence has been offered to disprove anything about

1048
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:52.760
<v Speaker 1>his claims either. So whether it's true what John says

1049
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:55.280
<v Speaker 1>or true what the police say, we really don't know

1050
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:58.239
<v Speaker 1>because no evidence has really been brought forward either way.

1051
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:00.639
<v Speaker 2>It's almost kind they're hoping it to just get swept

1052
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:04.039
<v Speaker 2>under the rug. But the fact that the media has

1053
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:07.920
<v Speaker 2>not really said anything, like the Fresnel media is really bizarre.

1054
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:11.079
<v Speaker 2>It is this is that's a big story.

1055
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:13.039
<v Speaker 1>Especially if it is a corrupt police force. Right.

1056
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:16.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's I mean unless the police are just.

1057
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Wrapped up in it, paying them off, not letting them

1058
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:19.039
<v Speaker 1>do it.

1059
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, it has to be something like that, because

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<v Speaker 2>why would they not be sharing this story?

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<v Speaker 1>So many people believe that John was of course attacked

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<v Speaker 1>murdered by the police, But then many believe that it

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<v Speaker 1>was paranoia and health and he did take his own life.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to say one way for another for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean, which other side you do land on?

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of hard to refute much of the things

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<v Speaker 1>John was able to do, like predict his own death jeez.

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<v Speaker 2>But then the other question is why, you know, why

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<v Speaker 2>would they have really? But we can talk chat about

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<v Speaker 2>that more in our pay drum post show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, our post show over on Patreon. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to join in the description below, there's a link there.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't want to do it, that's totally cool

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<v Speaker 1>and you could be here with us just like you

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<v Speaker 1>are right now.

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<v Speaker 2>You just turned into an announcer.

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<v Speaker 1>Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Wicked and Graham. Wow, I

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<v Speaker 1>need another drink.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't quit your day job.

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<v Speaker 1>Already did too late? Now, mother Park that was good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe we'll switch over to some wine and chat

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more about this.

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<v Speaker 1>But in all seriousness though, if you do want to

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<v Speaker 1>join us on Patreon, link is down below. If not,

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<v Speaker 1>we do appreciate you being here, especially if you listen

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<v Speaker 1>right to the end. That means a lot to us,

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you so much. If you want to give

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<v Speaker 1>the show a rating, that really helps us out. Appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>five stars. But go ahead and do your honesty that

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<v Speaker 1>it's cool too. Other links are down there, social media, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube,

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<v Speaker 1>all that good stuff. We're gonna go talk on Patreon. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you're going to be there, that'll be awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Wear another though. We will see you later or listen

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<v Speaker 1>to you later, or hear you later or talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll connect soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Next week and there's always next week until then, Stay wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>Do do do Do do do.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? I was going to do that. Do That's okay,

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<v Speaker 2>next time, Okay,