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<v Speaker 1>And I just turned around and I call ass out

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<v Speaker 1>of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them.

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<v Speaker 1>The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my

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<v Speaker 1>head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things I remember the most where the

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<v Speaker 1>eyes were going red.

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<v Speaker 2>I see an orb of light. It is just circling

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<v Speaker 2>these steps like it is waiting for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.

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<v Speaker 1>They're basically like, what are you talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's where I saw.

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<v Speaker 1>The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As

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<v Speaker 1>soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like death.

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<v Speaker 2>at gmail dot com. Thanks to Cult to Conspiracy, Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back to tenfoil Tells tonight. I'm joined by Mike Guess,

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<v Speaker 2>Jared Jared, thanks for coming on here and talking to me.

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<v Speaker 1>St to be here, Brandon, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you like to let the audience know a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about yourself?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Man, I guess I should. I am. I own

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<v Speaker 1>a company called The Magic of Films. Have been making

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<v Speaker 1>TV shows and films for I always think that everything

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<v Speaker 1>has been like a couple of years, but really it's

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<v Speaker 1>been like twenty some years. You know. I think everything's

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<v Speaker 1>just a couple of years ago, but it's been It's

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<v Speaker 1>been a while, And yeah, the latest project we've been

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<v Speaker 1>working on is a reboot of Monster Quests, which has

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<v Speaker 1>just been a blast to put together. So that's just uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just premiered and this week will be episode four.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's that's monsters and creatures and unknown, unknown encounters.

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<v Speaker 1>That's been my word for, like in a very intense

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<v Speaker 1>way for the past year and.

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<v Speaker 2>A half, of all things out there. Everyone always asks

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<v Speaker 2>why we always go towards monsters and cryptids and everything else,

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<v Speaker 2>and what is your reasoning for? I have my reasons,

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<v Speaker 2>but what what was drew you into that?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? You know, years ago, I was brought on when

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<v Speaker 1>I first started out in the business, I was sort

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<v Speaker 1>of my I was known to sort of go into

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<v Speaker 1>sort of dangerous places. You know. I filmed in Afghanistan

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of years. I was just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>the dangerous expedition guy sort of. I was lucky enough

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<v Speaker 1>to be known for that because it sent me to

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<v Speaker 1>some really odd places and cool places in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the one of the adventures I got

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<v Speaker 1>to go on is I got to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>Hemalays and Nepal looking for the Yetti. For an earlier

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<v Speaker 1>version of Monster Quest. And you know, I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in the Pacific Northwest, Sasquatch was one hundred percent part

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<v Speaker 1>of my childhood. I don't I didn't have really any

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<v Speaker 1>encounters as a kid, but uh, my friend's parents did,

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<v Speaker 1>people I know that did. So I've always had a

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<v Speaker 1>general curiosity about this stuff. And you know, we were

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking History Channel about a couple of different shows,

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<v Speaker 1>and Cryptids came up, and you know, it was obviously

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<v Speaker 1>a place that I thought, you know, I always think

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<v Speaker 1>about how do I want to spend next you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the next year or two of my life and I

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<v Speaker 1>and I've always wanted to sort of do something that

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<v Speaker 1>that took a kind of a deep dive look into

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<v Speaker 1>the world as encrypted. So it started as like a

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<v Speaker 1>really informal conversation and then it just took me down

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<v Speaker 1>a road. And I've known Adam Davies for a long

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<v Speaker 1>time and so you know, that's sort of just sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like a constant communication about the little adventures he's

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<v Speaker 1>gone on. So I've always been curious about it. And

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<v Speaker 1>so when the opportunity sort of came up up to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of do a little bit of deeper dive into it,

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<v Speaker 1>I jumped at it because it's just it's always something

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<v Speaker 1>that I've been curious about, and it's it's definitely something

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, a lot of encounters here in my backyard.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, so that was that was the real reasoning

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<v Speaker 1>is I I tend to believe that it's more interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to think that there are things out there that we

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand and to think that we know it all.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it felt like a real unique opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>for a bit, and I'm glad I did. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. The first episode came out a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>weeks back, and I watched it because I've always been

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<v Speaker 2>a fan of Monster Quest and I was excited to

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<v Speaker 2>see the new season come out. But there's several people

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<v Speaker 2>that I know personally that are involved in it. And

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<v Speaker 2>the first episode was with Martin Groves and Martin's we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking to all fair like he's a great guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was just excited to have the show back

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<v Speaker 2>on because it's something that twenty years ago. Was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the first outlets for me was to watch that

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<v Speaker 2>show because I was like, oh, there's other people so

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<v Speaker 2>it was just one of those things because back then,

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<v Speaker 2>like when that first came out, it wasn't really it

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<v Speaker 2>was before Finding Bigfoot, it was before some of these

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<v Speaker 2>other shows whatever, and you didn't hear a whole lot.

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<v Speaker 2>You had shows like maybe Sightings back in the nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was, and you had like In Search

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<v Speaker 2>of a Leonard Nimoy years and years ago, but there

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a show like Monster Quest up until Monster Quest,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that kind of paved the way for

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the stuff that people do, I think

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<v Speaker 2>and be one hundred percent, I don't have it paved

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<v Speaker 2>the way for me doing my podcast because it gave

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<v Speaker 2>me that inspiration. So it's it's cool to see it back.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm glad that you're involved with it and bringing

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<v Speaker 2>it back out there for everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh thanks, man, I appreciate it. Yeah, it's been really fun,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, it was a part of of of my

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, growing up and my my that part

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<v Speaker 1>of my life too, And yeah, I'm pretty thrilled to

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<v Speaker 1>be part of bringing it back. It's been a blast,

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<v Speaker 1>and I like, you know, I think that you know

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these shows tend to live on the

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<v Speaker 1>sensational side of the story, kind of making in something

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<v Speaker 1>else or poke holes and and I always felt like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the original Monster Quest really went about it

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<v Speaker 1>very objectively and thoughtfully, and and it was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>fun to carry that torch forward in terms of our

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<v Speaker 1>approach for this season and just trying to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not not question it, not try to look for or

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<v Speaker 1>it is, not try to even ask the question is

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<v Speaker 1>this true or is this not true? It really was

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<v Speaker 1>not the point of the show. The point of the

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<v Speaker 1>show is just to elevate credible stories where somebody had

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<v Speaker 1>an encounter with something that they cannot understand, and trying

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<v Speaker 1>to look into history and trends and patterns to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of elevate this idea that they are not one off

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<v Speaker 1>experiences and that these are part of all there are

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<v Speaker 1>part of like deeper histories and that these people have

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<v Speaker 1>gone through. So yeah, anyway, I'm glad, I'm glad you're

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<v Speaker 1>excited that it's back, and I'm pretty excited.

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<v Speaker 2>It's back to without ruining it or spoiling it for anyone,

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<v Speaker 2>what was your favorite story that you guys covered. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that something you talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>That's such a tough question. I mean, you brought up

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<v Speaker 1>Martin earlier. It's impossible not to. At least Martin is

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite story. You know, Mark is fascinating, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>so there's so many layers to it, so many sort

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<v Speaker 1>of mysteries and peculiarities to it. And obviously they'll the

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<v Speaker 1>area lay between the Lakes is a fascinating place with

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<v Speaker 1>a really wild history, so that that that story was

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<v Speaker 1>really fascinating. You know. There's a story coming up in

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<v Speaker 1>this Friday's episode with which with Shane Luthold, who's a

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<v Speaker 1>who's he's a judge right now in Ohio and he

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<v Speaker 1>had an encounter when he was a kid in some

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<v Speaker 1>cornfields out there. That that is just a really cool story.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's a really interesting story. And obviously his

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<v Speaker 1>background and and and and in sort of his place

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<v Speaker 1>in the in in In as a judge is interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>He's super credible. So Shane's was really fascinating too. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a guy also named Johnny and Chinsky. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>he's a wildlife biologist out of Wyoming who had an

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<v Speaker 1>encounter and his story was fascinating as well. And now

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<v Speaker 1>I remember leaving that interview with him, and and it

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<v Speaker 1>was right before Jeff Meldrum passed tragically, and I had

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<v Speaker 1>reached out to Jeff right after I met John because

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, oh, man, we're going to do a feature

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<v Speaker 1>documentary with these guys, Like they're just so much to

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<v Speaker 1>the story and they had some unique evidence, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm really drawn, you know, just the stories where

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think some people have a lot to

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<v Speaker 1>lose by coming out and telling these stories, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and somebody who's like a wildlife biologist who exists in

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<v Speaker 1>science and its credibilities everything to come out and say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen I've had it encounter with sasquatch, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is the evidence I've had. It's a it's a larger

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<v Speaker 1>barrier for someone to overcome to come out and do

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<v Speaker 1>that within withinter of that scientific community, with a creature

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<v Speaker 1>that science hasn't recognized yet. And so I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I really John's story is fascinating, has some really cool

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<v Speaker 1>evidence to it, and you know, there are certain people

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked to that I feel like are right on

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<v Speaker 1>that precipice of delivering something to the scientific community that

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<v Speaker 1>I think will just change the narrative to one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and by one hundred eighty degrees, you know, and just

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<v Speaker 1>general consensus in the public. So I know those three.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's hard for me to choose though, because I

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<v Speaker 1>tell you there's a really tough crush because I found,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really don't mean this, every story that we

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<v Speaker 1>crop covered I found to be so credible and so interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really left those interviews with a completely different perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>And whether it was like an alien abduction or a

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<v Speaker 1>dog man or a bigfooter goat man, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things out there that I feel like we don't

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<v Speaker 1>quite understand. So they're all really incredible stories.

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<v Speaker 2>There's all sorts of different types of cryptids that you

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of wonder, like what are people seeing because,

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<v Speaker 2>like you just mentioned goat man. The lore with goat

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<v Speaker 2>man is usually it's around a bridge, and it's usually

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<v Speaker 2>like a railroad bridge, at least the ones that I've

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<v Speaker 2>been around here, because I was a goat man festival

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<v Speaker 2>back in I think it was September October and it

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<v Speaker 2>around like this old legend around a bridge. Well there's

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<v Speaker 2>one in Texas too. It's the same story where it's

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<v Speaker 2>Like how did the legends happen? Where people are seeing

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<v Speaker 2>these things all around railroad tracks? Like when we talked

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<v Speaker 2>off air about dog Man around river systems, Like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people see them around the rivers. So it

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<v Speaker 2>if someone sees the goat man around train tracks all

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that consistency is undeniable, you know, and there's not.

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's the thinking, a little connective tissue between our

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<v Speaker 1>between our stories. Yeah, shadow Man too, Like that shadow

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<v Speaker 1>of knew about it, but I didn't have any sort

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<v Speaker 1>one spooked me out a little bit. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes people see something they might not say in the moment, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a goat man. But then they do exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what you do. Is they they research, they look, they

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<v Speaker 1>they try to find similarities to what they saw, and

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<v Speaker 1>they come to the clusion it must have been it

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<v Speaker 1>must have been that, you know. Uh, Gil Sanchez is

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<v Speaker 1>the there's a police officer in the first episode that

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<v Speaker 1>that believe he hit. He ran right over this goat man,

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<v Speaker 1>he thought, erecked his entire cruiser. Can't find any any

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of of anything, you know, any sort of collision

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<v Speaker 1>or anything. But he he saw sees this thing. Then

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<v Speaker 1>he connected it to these old these old mines in

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<v Speaker 1>New Mexico is where he felt like that history was.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, there is there are these sort of very

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<v Speaker 1>strange connections and similarities from one encounter to the next

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of make it feel undeniable. That's something peculiar

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<v Speaker 2>That area this is we were on our way to

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<v Speaker 2>a different event and I was at one of those

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<v Speaker 2>BUCkies I'm not sure if you're familiar what to BUCkies is,

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<v Speaker 2>but the big ol' someone came up to me because

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<v Speaker 2>I was wearing a shirt that had like a big

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<v Speaker 2>foot on it, and he just started talking to me

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm heard a big foot shirt of all things

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<v Speaker 2>that brought this guy up and I told him about

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, I just I do a podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually on my way to a bigfoot convention. And

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<v Speaker 2>then he just did straight looked me in the eye

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<v Speaker 2>and said, so you're into this type of stuff. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, what, it's like, I don't and then he

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<v Speaker 2>proceeded to tell me that when a couple of years

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<v Speaker 2>ago he was driving a truck at night and he

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<v Speaker 2>said he swore like a big hog come running out

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<v Speaker 2>across the road, but it was on deer legs. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I've never heard of that before, so I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't tell you anything. I was like, it was

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<v Speaker 2>just just random random guys saw me wearing a big

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<v Speaker 2>foot shirt, so he come over. I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you could have been making the whole thing up. Maybe,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, but the chances are like, why would

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<v Speaker 2>you just randomly make that up for no reason?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I don't think so. I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I think yeah. I think it's one of the more

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<v Speaker 1>unique things about like just where we are in the

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<v Speaker 1>specific time with these stories is that there's just a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of there's a lot of people wearing big foot

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<v Speaker 1>shirts around. There's a lot more acceptance about these types

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<v Speaker 1>of stories and encounters in there there ever has been before.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, some of the stuff that was really

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<v Speaker 1>fun of the series was to go you know where

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<v Speaker 1>you know, part of the castle is obviously just going

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<v Speaker 1>and talking to people and you know, chatting with someone

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<v Speaker 1>like you and Sam I had that you should talk

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<v Speaker 1>to this person. A lot is word of mouth is

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<v Speaker 1>really how how the whole process happened. But something of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of it was just trying to find really

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<v Speaker 1>famous stories, you know, and and then trying to see

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<v Speaker 1>if there was somebody who could take us right to that.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Mothman it was a story you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>Christina Bennett, the Bennett Family, which the Mothman feature Faimily

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<v Speaker 1>Rich brigheers build up based on their family experience, and man,

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<v Speaker 1>that was awesome getting sit down with her and talking

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<v Speaker 1>about I mean, she was only four years old when

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<v Speaker 1>it happened, but uh, that first person perspective on these

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<v Speaker 1>very famous stories, which I have some familiarity with, but

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<v Speaker 1>then hearing somebody specifically, you know, that was uniquely tied

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<v Speaker 1>to it was really fascinating. Or like Geraldine stiff with

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<v Speaker 1>like the the Kelly you know, the Hopkinsville green Men,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and she's amazing storyteller, truly amazing storyteller. But

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<v Speaker 1>that that that story isn't is crazy. You know. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just a really really wild story that not only have

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<v Speaker 1>stuck with sort of those people, but have up with

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<v Speaker 1>that family for generations, you know, in terms of like

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<v Speaker 1>how that sort of continues. So I don't know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>been It's been a very eye opening experience during that show.

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<v Speaker 1>There's there's no doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had Geraldine on the show was back in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, but I was actually at Goblin Con

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<v Speaker 2>with her this past year. She asked me if I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to be down there for that. So the first great, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I love Geraldine. She's a great coal, but that when

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<v Speaker 2>you were talking, that was the first thing I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I wonder if you've actually talked to Geraldine,

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<v Speaker 2>because I was like, the Hopkinsville story, the Kelly Greenman

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<v Speaker 2>is one of those stories that I think would have

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<v Speaker 2>been great to have included in there.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's it's in there, It's in there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it was sort of we heard about the

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<v Speaker 1>story and then we're like, Okay, let's see who's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's anyone that can that can tell us about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when you found Geraldine, Yeah, she was an

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<v Speaker 1>awesome storyteller. I mean I could have listened her talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this stuff forever. She's a hoot, real sweet lady.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. There her and a couple of other people that

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<v Speaker 2>I've met from like the You've mentioned the Judge and

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<v Speaker 2>most of us refer to him as the Judge.

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<v Speaker 1>As Shane, but like the Judge yet the Judge to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be one hundred percent honest. He is the first podcast

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<v Speaker 2>story that I had ever heard, because I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>anything about podcasting, and I come across the show and

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<v Speaker 2>the first episode that I hit play on was his

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<v Speaker 2>interview on a different podcast, and I never heard anyone

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<v Speaker 2>else talk about a dog man before. And this guy

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<v Speaker 2>is a judge. And this was back in like twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is like when I first started researching how

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<v Speaker 2>to do a podcast because I didn't know anything about podcasting,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought I had a great idea. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about cryptids and aliens and all sorts of

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that no one's doing, and little.

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<v Speaker 1>That I know that there's a couple.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I thought I had a great idea and

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<v Speaker 2>come to find out that wasn't really all that original.

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<v Speaker 2>But I still do it anyways. And but no, his

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<v Speaker 2>I've never actually spoken with him. I've always wanted to,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, his story is all stuck with me because

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<v Speaker 2>it's like the first one I actually heard on a podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>So anytime someone mentions the judge, I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of while I'm sitting here.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the beginning. That was the beginning for Change's great. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>his story, you know, the way he tells it, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just so visual. It's just so visual and you can

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<v Speaker 1>just imagine it so clearly, you know, And the way

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<v Speaker 1>we approach these stories. Obviously we'd filmed this and done

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<v Speaker 1>interview and then we sort of storyboard out these these

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<v Speaker 1>these recreations, and then we'd use a little we obviously

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<v Speaker 1>do use you know, AI technology to sort of just

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<v Speaker 1>visualize the creatures. But filming his his recreation was was

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<v Speaker 1>really fun. I mean, we we I call it, we

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<v Speaker 1>darked out with that one. That's just like getting into

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<v Speaker 1>a cornfield. And then we hired this actor. He did

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<v Speaker 1>just an awesome job. And but yeah, you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like you want the idea is that you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get the audience to sort of just like relive it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's it's his. The way he tells his story

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<v Speaker 1>is really fascinating and very captivating and very so I

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<v Speaker 1>can see why that stuck out to you. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>and really has stuck with you through the years for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I wasn't familiar with podcast. I heard of

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Rogan. I watched some of his stuff on like YouTube,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when he interviewed a I can't even think of

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<v Speaker 2>as Bob Lazar, the guy that spa out it like

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<v Speaker 2>Area fifty one. He said, I've watched his interview, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I thought of podcast. And then I was

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<v Speaker 2>in my vehicle. I got tired of listening to music.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm gonna look up podcast stuff. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I had the idea for starting one. And the

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<v Speaker 2>first podcast I came across was called Sasquatch Chronicles and

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<v Speaker 2>the first episode was with Shane. I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, so I got hooked instantly after I heard

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<v Speaker 2>his interview. I started binging through these episodes and then

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, yep, I gotta do this now. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's tough because they know people like Shane, you

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<v Speaker 1>know Martin, they said a high bar really do for

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<v Speaker 1>not just like the detail and and and memories that

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<v Speaker 1>they have of their stories, but also just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like how they present. And you know, that was a

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<v Speaker 1>I actually thought, finding the stories and finding really captivating storytellers,

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<v Speaker 1>first person witnesses, it was gonna be tough, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was not. There's there's yeah, I probably say this too much,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not like these type of encounters have a type.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no type.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's people that like the judge, It wasn't only

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<v Speaker 1>his radar. You know, he was just a kid when

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<v Speaker 1>that happened, running around He's training for like the Broadweerst

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<v Speaker 1>five Finder or something like that if I remember correctly,

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<v Speaker 1>I've listened to these stories a few times in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the editing phase, and you know, and these these

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<v Speaker 1>things just happened to people unsuspected. You know, there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>no there's no rhyme or reason. Martin story. He was

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<v Speaker 1>out there, he didn't he didn't believe in he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think about this. It wasn't even something that was crossing

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<v Speaker 1>his mind. He was He's just thinking turkey and dinner

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<v Speaker 1>is all he was thinking of a break. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they set a high bar for the type of stories

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<v Speaker 1>that we were going after. But yeah, they're awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the most the most credible stories you hear

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<v Speaker 2>are the people that aren't looking for it. It's the

420
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<v Speaker 2>random instances of the just so they happen to see

421
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<v Speaker 2>something that happen to run into something Like when people

422
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<v Speaker 2>tell me that they've been out hunting these things and

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<v Speaker 2>all this and they have all these encounters all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Okay, I'm not going to say you're full

425
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<v Speaker 2>of crap. But at the same time, it's like, there

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<v Speaker 2>are so many people who go out there and do that,

427
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<v Speaker 2>never see anything. How come you can have all these

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<v Speaker 2>encounters all the time, but all these other people don't

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<v Speaker 2>see anything. And then it's the people that were not

430
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<v Speaker 2>even wanting to see something that get freaked out by it,

431
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<v Speaker 2>don't even want to talk about it. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>that seems to be the ones that stick out the

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<v Speaker 2>most to me because it resonates with me because I

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<v Speaker 2>understand it at the same time, like you don't want

435
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<v Speaker 2>to talk about it, you don't want to deal with it.

436
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<v Speaker 2>You're just like, nope, I don't know what that was.

437
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<v Speaker 2>Don't want to deal with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's it's in this sort of it's interesting.

439
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<v Speaker 1>You know the show I did before Mons Request, it

440
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<v Speaker 1>was on this really wild treasure Hunt and I did

441
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<v Speaker 1>this this little limited series for Netflix, and and they

442
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<v Speaker 1>talked to one of the themes that kept coming up

443
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<v Speaker 1>in that show is cognitive bias. You know, and you

444
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<v Speaker 1>have basically created a an idea in your head and

445
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<v Speaker 1>then and then the evidence sort of feeds into that idea,

446
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<v Speaker 1>right Like it's and I think that's why for me,

447
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<v Speaker 1>I's similar to you, Brandon, Like I really people's first

448
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<v Speaker 1>encounter was the most is the most fascinating to me

449
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<v Speaker 1>because there's no there's there's no they're not looking for anything.

450
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<v Speaker 1>They're not. There's no there's no there's no cognitive bias,

451
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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing there that they're sort of setting this. So

452
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<v Speaker 1>I have this this idea of I'm going in the

453
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<v Speaker 1>woods looking for for such and such, and I see

454
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<v Speaker 1>I hear something, and I immediately connected, well is it

455
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<v Speaker 1>this or is it not? When you're not where you're

456
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<v Speaker 1>going in the woods just a camp or not do anything,

457
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<v Speaker 1>you're not thinking about that when you hear a noise,

458
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<v Speaker 1>just like, well that's an odd noise. You have no

459
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<v Speaker 1>organizational thing to organize it in your head other than

460
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<v Speaker 1>after the fat going and trying to figure out, okay,

461
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<v Speaker 1>what what was that attached to? You know, And you know,

462
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<v Speaker 1>it reminds me of like last week's episode with with

463
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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Hamilton and he was a young kid going out,

464
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<v Speaker 1>you know, just this hunting of his family and he

465
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<v Speaker 1>heard something and in that moment he probably thought it

466
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<v Speaker 1>was a bear. But afterwards, you know, he heard Ron

467
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<v Speaker 1>Moorehead's see our sounds and he's like, oh, no, that's

468
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<v Speaker 1>what I heard. And I find that fascinating when people

469
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<v Speaker 1>sort of hear something after the fact, they go looking

470
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<v Speaker 1>for answers and they go, well, that's that's the same

471
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<v Speaker 1>sound I heard. But it's so that the people's first encounters,

472
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<v Speaker 1>I always feel like they're the purest. You know, the

473
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<v Speaker 1>first time they see something doesn't mean that when they

474
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<v Speaker 1>see something afterwards they didn't see things. Doesn't mean that

475
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<v Speaker 1>they didn't see it, but that first time where it

476
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<v Speaker 1>was like that was odd, that was unexpected, I can't

477
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<v Speaker 1>explain it, and then you go searching for those answers.

478
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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, cognitive bias, man, that's a pretty interesting theory.

479
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I tend to agree with it because even for

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<v Speaker 2>my if I ever see something again, I feel like

481
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<v Speaker 2>I've lost the credibility of anything that I've ever said

482
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<v Speaker 2>because it's so random to see something in the first place.

483
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<v Speaker 2>And when people are always seeing these things, that's when

484
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<v Speaker 2>I start to pump the brakes a little bit. I'm

485
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<v Speaker 2>be like, if you see these things all the time,

486
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<v Speaker 2>how come there's no evidence that you're seeing it? And

487
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<v Speaker 2>I've talked to people that claim that they know that

488
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<v Speaker 2>they can't take photos of them. I was like, how

489
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<v Speaker 2>does that work? So it's like it gets into like

490
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<v Speaker 2>a little murky area that I don't try and argue

491
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<v Speaker 2>with people or prove or does prove anything. But it's like,

492
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<v Speaker 2>I feel like at this stage of technology where we're

493
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<v Speaker 2>at in society and with the shows and everything else,

494
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<v Speaker 2>it's gotten to the point to where it's going to

495
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<v Speaker 2>take some really definitive proof to bring a lot of

496
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<v Speaker 2>people over into the believing side that are on the

497
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<v Speaker 2>fence about it just because the stories are great, but

498
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<v Speaker 2>there are some I can settle myself. I've seen stuff,

499
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<v Speaker 2>but I'm still that way too, like I have to

500
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<v Speaker 2>see some sort of proof to understand what's going on

501
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<v Speaker 2>out there. And I think that's that's just how it

502
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<v Speaker 2>is for a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, and I think that AI is only going

504
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<v Speaker 1>to make it more It's going to make it more

505
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<v Speaker 1>complicated it has at this stage. I mean, it's a

506
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<v Speaker 1>it's a really great tool for some stuff, but man,

507
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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna make the credibility and authenticity of an image

508
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<v Speaker 1>or a photo will just it'll be so much harder now,

509
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<v Speaker 1>so much more difficult. It's kind of a shame, but

510
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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just the reality that the evidence evidence

511
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<v Speaker 1>now will have a higher hill to climb than it

512
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<v Speaker 1>used to. For sure.

513
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<v Speaker 2>I know a lot of people don't like to say

514
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<v Speaker 2>this or whatever, but I think it's going to take

515
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<v Speaker 2>a body. Like there's a lot of people that are

516
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<v Speaker 2>against like taking a life of something like if there's

517
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<v Speaker 2>a big foot or anything like that. And people can

518
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<v Speaker 2>get mad at me, but I said, if a dog

519
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<v Speaker 2>made ever runs out in front of me, I'm gonna

520
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<v Speaker 2>run it over because.

521
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<v Speaker 1>Because that's that's gonna take. But you're right, that is

522
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<v Speaker 1>that's what science needs. Science needs a body, you know.

523
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<v Speaker 1>I remember when I was doing that the project in

524
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<v Speaker 1>the Pall, and we had brought along this guy, awesome

525
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<v Speaker 1>guy Adam was one of them. He was great. But

526
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<v Speaker 1>we also brought this guy, Ian Redman, and he was

527
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<v Speaker 1>he was the number two Daran to Dane Fosse, you know,

528
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<v Speaker 1>the great great ape researcher back in the day. Was

529
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<v Speaker 1>he was murdered and when she was murdered, he he

530
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<v Speaker 1>sort of stepped in, stepped into her she's and we

531
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<v Speaker 1>were up there and yeah, and I remember asking him.

532
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<v Speaker 1>We were in the Pall and we're just you know,

533
00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:28.319
<v Speaker 1>suppicing around, drinking, drinking a little whiskey or something. One night,

534
00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:29.799
<v Speaker 1>I was like, hey, man, you know, what are you

535
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<v Speaker 1>thinking and do you think that like something like this

536
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<v Speaker 1>could really exist up here and he said, well, you know,

537
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<v Speaker 1>people didn't believe the Great Apes of Varuna were real

538
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<v Speaker 1>for forever until two British guys saw one, killed them

539
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<v Speaker 1>and brought back the body. I mean, that's that. That

540
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:51.880
<v Speaker 1>is how science moves to recognize these things is so

541
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:53.480
<v Speaker 1>you have to have the body, you have to have evidence.

542
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<v Speaker 1>So I totally agree. I think that will be the

543
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<v Speaker 1>the piece of evidence that really changes the the narrative

544
00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:01.799
<v Speaker 1>around some of these creatures.

545
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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned Adam. I met Adam a couple of years

546
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:08.119
<v Speaker 2>ago to one of those bigfoot gatherings, and he's a

547
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:09.920
<v Speaker 2>great guy. Our boothe first set up right next to

548
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:11.799
<v Speaker 2>each other, so we shot the crap all weekend with

549
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<v Speaker 2>each other.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a he's a he's a funny guy. Man. That

551
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:21.720
<v Speaker 1>guy cracks crack, cracks me up. He's uh yeah, he's

552
00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:24.240
<v Speaker 1>almost Sometimes I feel like the most unlikely character to

553
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:27.079
<v Speaker 1>go on these big, big expeditions because he is clumsy,

554
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:29.480
<v Speaker 1>as you can imagine. It's like got to where you

555
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<v Speaker 1>survive some of the places you've been in. But he

556
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<v Speaker 1>is he is awesome. I love Adam. He just he's

557
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:36.599
<v Speaker 1>such a hoop. Yeah, good guy av Yeah.

558
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<v Speaker 2>He messaged me the other day and said he had

559
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<v Speaker 2>someone I needed to talk to and he has how

560
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<v Speaker 2>we got in contact. So shout out to Adam Davies

561
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<v Speaker 2>for hooking us up.

562
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you, Adam, appreciate it. It's a great connector.

563
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<v Speaker 2>So when it comes to Monster Quest and everything, and

564
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<v Speaker 2>you deal with like the History Channel, how many episodes

565
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<v Speaker 2>are there going to be for this season?

566
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<v Speaker 1>It will be eight episodes. See we did eight eight

567
00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:05.359
<v Speaker 1>hour episodes, so five stories per episode, so forty stories.

568
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Altogether, okay, And that was something that they were morning

569
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:11.799
<v Speaker 2>was like a minimum five per episode or is that

570
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:13.519
<v Speaker 2>just kind of what you guys ended up filming.

571
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<v Speaker 1>No, that was kind of their sweet spot. Yeah, that

572
00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:18.559
<v Speaker 1>was their sweet spot as far as what they the

573
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<v Speaker 1>number they wanted per episode. And yeah, they do a

574
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<v Speaker 1>lot of these sort of I think it's it's kind

575
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<v Speaker 1>of comes down to people's attention span these days, you know.

576
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<v Speaker 1>I think people are very used to things moving quickly.

577
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<v Speaker 1>You know, I tend to, like I tend to over

578
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<v Speaker 1>the years, I like slower, slower stories that have more detail.

579
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<v Speaker 1>But I think there's a right format for everything. I

580
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>think this format worked really well. I think early on

581
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:46.920
<v Speaker 1>I was at more concerned about our ability to fit

582
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<v Speaker 1>five stories in. Maybe it's because I sat down and

583
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:50.839
<v Speaker 1>talked to each one of these folks for like one

584
00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:53.119
<v Speaker 1>to two hours each, you know, so I you know,

585
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:54.720
<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh man, how do I cut that into

586
00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:57.640
<v Speaker 1>a ten ten minutes or so story. It's sort of

587
00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:01.640
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to but I the way it shook out,

588
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:04.359
<v Speaker 1>it really worked. I think it worked really really well.

589
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Five stories per episode, but each one, I will say this,

590
00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:11.440
<v Speaker 1>each one of most stories certainly has a lot more details,

591
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:14.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, And that's why there's so many different platforms

592
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:15.920
<v Speaker 1>for each one of these stories. You know, they're all

593
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:19.839
<v Speaker 1>meant for different audiences. The podcasting platform is great, Like

594
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:22.759
<v Speaker 1>you guys can get in such detail with these stories

595
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.440
<v Speaker 1>that you know, we're not necessarily able to you know,

596
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>sometimes I'm on a cable show like that. So it's

597
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.759
<v Speaker 1>these stories have multiple platforms and multiple reasons, and these

598
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>stories are there's a reason they're re told multiple times

599
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:39.960
<v Speaker 1>because they're deserving, for sure. But yeah, five five per

600
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:42.359
<v Speaker 1>episode is something that they were hoping we could we

601
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>could hit and you know, when we got in there

602
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:45.960
<v Speaker 1>and started the editing process, that worked pretty well.

603
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<v Speaker 2>That's the one thing with my show that I've struggled

604
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:52.559
<v Speaker 2>with when doing my own filming for my documentary is

605
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:55.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't edit anything out that like people talk about

606
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:58.119
<v Speaker 2>in their encounters. I know some shows like cut clips

607
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<v Speaker 2>here and they may it all. I leave every thing

608
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<v Speaker 2>exactly how the person tells it, because I feel like

609
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<v Speaker 2>if I start to doctor up what they're doing, I

610
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<v Speaker 2>feel like I'm pushing it towards a specific way. And

611
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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to be authentic to how the person told

612
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<v Speaker 2>their encounter. So I don't try and edit anything like that.

613
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<v Speaker 2>But with my documentary, I don't have time to keep

614
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<v Speaker 2>someone's attention, so I've had to go in and edit

615
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<v Speaker 2>some stuff out that wasn't really as needed to be

616
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<v Speaker 2>in there. And that's what I've struggled with, is like

617
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<v Speaker 2>how do I go into someone's stuff and edit it

618
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<v Speaker 2>down because it goes against like my golden rule of

619
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<v Speaker 2>what I do with my podcast to try and make

620
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<v Speaker 2>everything fit, because you can't have someone talking for twenty

621
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<v Speaker 2>straight minutes and then try and keep it all into

622
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<v Speaker 2>a very small section of a video. So that's that

623
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<v Speaker 2>I don't envy you for I to sit through all

624
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<v Speaker 2>these interviews and do that.

625
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<v Speaker 1>No doubt, the hardest decisions. Those are the hardest decisions

626
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<v Speaker 1>to make, you know, what goes in and what goes out,

627
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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I just think, you know, my job

628
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<v Speaker 1>is to make sure like the whoever's watching is pulled

629
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<v Speaker 1>along and they want to listen to what's next, and

630
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<v Speaker 1>they want to listen to what's next, you know, And

631
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.599
<v Speaker 1>and I feel like people are watching television, watching content,

632
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>not podcast, but that with a finger on the button,

633
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:14.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're just trying not to want them to

634
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:20.200
<v Speaker 1>change the channel. Yeah, but those decisions are the absolute worst.

635
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<v Speaker 1>They're the worst of the artists. It's like the content

636
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:25.839
<v Speaker 1>that ends on the cutting room floor is sometimes real painful.

637
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<v Speaker 2>Really really, So you went on this expedition and search

638
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<v Speaker 2>for the YETTI? What about that still stands out? Like

639
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:37.440
<v Speaker 2>what did you guys come across when you're out there

640
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:39.720
<v Speaker 2>that you think could have been evidence? I know this

641
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:41.279
<v Speaker 2>has been years ago.

642
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:45.079
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean we didn't, you know, to be honest,

643
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:50.839
<v Speaker 1>like we didn't find we we went out there, we went,

644
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:53.720
<v Speaker 1>we brought along this another amazing guy named Yai Yagi

645
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.400
<v Speaker 1>was like this and was an incredible mountain climber, some

646
00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:59.519
<v Speaker 1>of the everest multiple times, like and he was out

647
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.359
<v Speaker 1>climbing this area. And the reason we went targeted the

648
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:04.920
<v Speaker 1>area we we did is because he had found a

649
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:08.880
<v Speaker 1>print a track that he thought could could belong to

650
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:11.400
<v Speaker 1>the Yetti. So that sort of was one of the

651
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.160
<v Speaker 1>areas made us focus on this specific area in the

652
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Henleys of Nepal. But you know we yeah, we this

653
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<v Speaker 1>was before the time of drones, you know. So when

654
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<v Speaker 1>we had like an aerial platform created with a helium

655
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:26.640
<v Speaker 1>balloon with a flair camera at the bottom of it

656
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:29.799
<v Speaker 1>that we raised up at this crazy altitude that you know,

657
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:32.319
<v Speaker 1>remoted down and Adam had like a little monitor that

658
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:34.000
<v Speaker 1>so we could so we could sort of look at

659
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:35.799
<v Speaker 1>this area at night and see if any there are

660
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>any heat signatures, you know, roaming around this area. We

661
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:43.319
<v Speaker 1>we brought a lot of cool tech and a lot

662
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:45.240
<v Speaker 1>of cool people out there, I mean Ian when we

663
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:48.359
<v Speaker 1>went down. So Adam and I went up with the

664
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<v Speaker 1>AGI to this high, high altitude area and then we

665
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:55.720
<v Speaker 1>split and so Ian went down to this river area

666
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:58.400
<v Speaker 1>which he felt like was likely a more of a

667
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:04.400
<v Speaker 1>likely habitat for a creature matching the Yeddi barnable snowman

668
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:07.759
<v Speaker 1>er Yeti's description, and they found some some funny things

669
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:11.359
<v Speaker 1>they found, some skeletons and stuff and that not. You know,

670
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:16.319
<v Speaker 1>we really didn't find any evidence that furthered it, you know,

671
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>but I think that's kind of the state of any expedition,

672
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:21.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of you go out there and you

673
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:23.960
<v Speaker 1>you try to follow the evidence that sort of has

674
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:25.759
<v Speaker 1>come before you to see what else you can find.

675
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:28.480
<v Speaker 1>And I think we did that really successfully. But I

676
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:30.400
<v Speaker 1>think what I left there with was like a clear

677
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.240
<v Speaker 1>understanding of of you know, the Rihann said to me

678
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:39.519
<v Speaker 1>and Adam too, It's like, here we are in you know,

679
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:44.319
<v Speaker 1>a very remote area. You know, if we haven't seen

680
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:47.359
<v Speaker 1>this yety, the likelihood that it's seen us as high.

681
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:49.799
<v Speaker 1>You know, they've lived there and be able to distinguish

682
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.000
<v Speaker 1>and to disguise themselves for years. They know the area

683
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.440
<v Speaker 1>very well. The likelihood we're going to find something like

684
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:57.759
<v Speaker 1>that and see it with a creature that knows this

685
00:33:57.880 --> 00:33:59.640
<v Speaker 1>area way more than I than we do and have

686
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:05.400
<v Speaker 1>any generations is so freaking low. But still it planted

687
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:10.559
<v Speaker 1>a very very large seed of curiosity. I will say

688
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:14.599
<v Speaker 1>in myself, you just understand, like you know that there,

689
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, there are certainly humans have seen a lot

690
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:21.719
<v Speaker 1>of our planet. You know, we've seen a lot of places,

691
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:23.519
<v Speaker 1>but there are still a lot of places that are

692
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:27.039
<v Speaker 1>very remote and untouched where creatures like this can live.

693
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:31.800
<v Speaker 1>And there's places, you know, like around the river systems earlier,

694
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:35.800
<v Speaker 1>where they can't hide as much and there are a

695
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:39.519
<v Speaker 1>larger concentration of sightings. So anyway, it just that that

696
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:41.960
<v Speaker 1>trip really just gave me a new perspective, you know,

697
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.800
<v Speaker 1>in terms of the conditions by which a creature like

698
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:49.199
<v Speaker 1>a sasquatch or a YETI could exist for so so

699
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.280
<v Speaker 1>long and still we don't have we don't have like

700
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.079
<v Speaker 1>that that proof, but that doesn't mean that doesn't exist.

701
00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:57.760
<v Speaker 1>And personally that got me pretty excited. You know. I

702
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:00.239
<v Speaker 1>like the fact that there are things out there that

703
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:03.519
<v Speaker 1>that humans haven't discovered, and I think that makes the

704
00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:05.119
<v Speaker 1>world way more interesting place to live.

705
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:07.960
<v Speaker 2>It'd be very boring if there wasn't some sort of

706
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:09.480
<v Speaker 2>mysteries out there still to solve.

707
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Heck yeah, man, heck yeah. I couldn't agree more.

708
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:16.599
<v Speaker 2>I think about when you just mentioned, like just think

709
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:22.800
<v Speaker 2>about just Canada for example, Like all the northern parts

710
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:26.159
<v Speaker 2>of Canada, they're not as populated like Alaska, Like there's

711
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:28.679
<v Speaker 2>so many just untapped areas just around here around the

712
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:32.599
<v Speaker 2>United States that are vast that we don't even think about.

713
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:36.599
<v Speaker 2>Then you have the jungles of Africa and Brazil and

714
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.480
<v Speaker 2>we do. It's naive to think that we know everything.

715
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. I did a series years ago up

716
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.320
<v Speaker 1>in the called The Last Alaskans. We were up in

717
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge of Alaska. That's a refuge.

718
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:54.280
<v Speaker 1>It's literally the size of South Carolina, and six families

719
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:57.440
<v Speaker 1>have permits to live there. There are no roads, there

720
00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:03.880
<v Speaker 1>are no there's nothing, and this remote wild wilderness exists,

721
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:08.679
<v Speaker 1>like you said, exists in our world, and I just

722
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.280
<v Speaker 1>love giving the opportunity to exist in those places is

723
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:15.480
<v Speaker 1>pretty thrilling, where it just feels like there's really no

724
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.159
<v Speaker 1>imprint of humanity and no really difficult ways to access

725
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:22.360
<v Speaker 1>it as well. So, yeah, that's a that was a

726
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:24.079
<v Speaker 1>pretty special part of the world. But I didn't think

727
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:27.119
<v Speaker 1>about this is after de Paul, and I certainly thought

728
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:30.239
<v Speaker 1>about what else exists up here outside of grizzlies, for sure.

729
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.280
<v Speaker 1>When I was in that part of Alaska, I.

730
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Guess, well, I'm thinking about this. I'll go ahead and

731
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.639
<v Speaker 2>ask of all, like, how did you get involved with

732
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:41.320
<v Speaker 2>making Doctor, like the series and stuff with TV and everything,

733
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:43.000
<v Speaker 2>like the stuff that you've been doing. Like how did

734
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:45.480
<v Speaker 2>you come about being involved in doing all this? Is

735
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:47.000
<v Speaker 2>this something that you want to do as like a

736
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:49.199
<v Speaker 2>kid and went to school forward or just kind of

737
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:49.960
<v Speaker 2>fell into it?

738
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:53.719
<v Speaker 1>No, not really the real this is the real story.

739
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:55.960
<v Speaker 1>It kind of kind of fell into it. So I

740
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:57.880
<v Speaker 1>was I was going to college. I didn't even know

741
00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:00.199
<v Speaker 1>what I want to study. I knew I liked like

742
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:03.159
<v Speaker 1>creative stuff though, I like creating, and I really wanted

743
00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:05.760
<v Speaker 1>to travel. And I lived down in Belize for a

744
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.679
<v Speaker 1>little bit and I was teaching down there. I sort

745
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:10.679
<v Speaker 1>of dropped out of college and just went did that

746
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:12.559
<v Speaker 1>stuff for a little bit. And I came back and

747
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:18.199
<v Speaker 1>wanted to finish my degree but didn't know what to do.

748
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:20.599
<v Speaker 1>So I applied to a bunch of art colleges. I was like,

749
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:24.320
<v Speaker 1>I wrote down school design was one and the other

750
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:29.079
<v Speaker 1>one was Emerson College in Boston, and I this is

751
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.920
<v Speaker 1>the long answer to your question, so just sick that

752
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:34.039
<v Speaker 1>you could. And I went there and they said what

753
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:37.800
<v Speaker 1>do you want to what do you want to declare?

754
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I had a glitter major, and I said, well, I

755
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:42.559
<v Speaker 1>temkasa what what's the quickest way I can graduate And

756
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:46.719
<v Speaker 1>she said film and TV production or studies like that,

757
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:49.000
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, that sounds cool. And so I

758
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:50.719
<v Speaker 1>studied and it was a really good fit. You know,

759
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:53.599
<v Speaker 1>I think I I only had like another year left

760
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:55.480
<v Speaker 1>of my four year degree, and so I did that,

761
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:57.159
<v Speaker 1>and then I moved out to l A and I

762
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.280
<v Speaker 1>first started working. I thought I wanted to do scripteds stuff.

763
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:02.519
<v Speaker 1>So I was working at Warner Brothers, just reading scripts,

764
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.199
<v Speaker 1>and I just hated that culture. Man. I hated just

765
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:08.400
<v Speaker 1>like everyone's in a suit every day, everyone's just networking.

766
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:09.840
<v Speaker 1>One was hanging out with their friends. And so I

767
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:13.320
<v Speaker 1>called a friend of mine he was working in TV.

768
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.840
<v Speaker 1>I just said, hey, get me, get me in shorts

769
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:18.280
<v Speaker 1>and a T shirt. I don't care what I'll do.

770
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:21.280
<v Speaker 1>I just want to go do something fun and and

771
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:24.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm The first show I did was like this, this

772
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:27.719
<v Speaker 1>this like kind of I was a PA, you know,

773
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:31.480
<v Speaker 1>on this on this reality cleaning reality show. It was

774
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:34.599
<v Speaker 1>pretty nasty. And then when I went to it was

775
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.559
<v Speaker 1>showing the Cayman Islands. And then my next show, I

776
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:39.679
<v Speaker 1>was in the Arctic of Canada working on the ice

777
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:42.519
<v Speaker 1>road truckers. You know. It was like a camera out producer,

778
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.840
<v Speaker 1>and it just it fit. It fit me. But I

779
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:48.480
<v Speaker 1>dove into it pretty pretty big. I mean, I like

780
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:50.239
<v Speaker 1>lived out of my car for years and I just

781
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:52.840
<v Speaker 1>lived on the road. You know. I was just a

782
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:54.880
<v Speaker 1>this isn't a technical term, but I was like a

783
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:57.559
<v Speaker 1>TV bum, you know. I just I went where the

784
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:02.079
<v Speaker 1>adventure was and and I loved putting myself in places

785
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:05.840
<v Speaker 1>and situations that I didn't exist, and I was just curious,

786
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:10.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, I might I think I had success because

787
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:13.599
<v Speaker 1>I just liked talking to people about stuff, you know,

788
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:16.119
<v Speaker 1>and sitting in a truck with someone driving up an

789
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:19.880
<v Speaker 1>ice road for one four hours straight, you know, staying up.

790
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Like I liked putting myself through kind of like that suffering.

791
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:27.239
<v Speaker 1>And I liked just having I would always say, like

792
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.920
<v Speaker 1>sort of non disposable conversations, like deep conversations with people fun,

793
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:33.840
<v Speaker 1>but also just asking tough conversations. I'm sure you know

794
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:35.840
<v Speaker 1>this in your job too. Some of the coolest things

795
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:39.920
<v Speaker 1>that I love is I can ask people questions that

796
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:43.719
<v Speaker 1>they're best friends would ask them, you know, because I'm

797
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:45.159
<v Speaker 1>in their life, and then I'm out of their life

798
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:47.480
<v Speaker 1>and I still care about them and I still keep

799
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:49.440
<v Speaker 1>in touch with a lot of those folks. But my

800
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.760
<v Speaker 1>job sort of demands that I ask hard questions in

801
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:54.840
<v Speaker 1>a very respectful way. And I loved that. I just

802
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:58.400
<v Speaker 1>loved having very real, deep conversations. So yeah, I kind

803
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:00.400
<v Speaker 1>of got into it at the right time, you know,

804
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:04.679
<v Speaker 1>when a lot of this travel unscripted. I never really

805
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.719
<v Speaker 1>got into, like the reality. I didn't like that type

806
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:11.800
<v Speaker 1>of you know, backbiting, high drama stuff. I like man

807
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:16.800
<v Speaker 1>versus mother nature. I liked going to difficult places and

808
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:20.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of I mean this literally, but it

809
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:23.639
<v Speaker 1>is sort of writing shotgun with people who are living

810
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:31.199
<v Speaker 1>really extreme lives. You know, that's working with you know,

811
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:35.559
<v Speaker 1>chimps or elephants and remote parts of Africa, or you know,

812
00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:38.920
<v Speaker 1>living a unique lifestyle in Alaska. So I just kind

813
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:41.199
<v Speaker 1>of jumped into it. And and to be honest, like

814
00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:44.119
<v Speaker 1>I think with anything, I found my community. You know,

815
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:46.480
<v Speaker 1>I've I've met all my good friends in that in

816
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:49.239
<v Speaker 1>that industry, and and you tend to sort of you

817
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:51.119
<v Speaker 1>sort of find your people and then you kind of

818
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:54.880
<v Speaker 1>jump from from from adventure to adventure to adventure together.

819
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:57.320
<v Speaker 1>And and I was also pretty careful about this stuff

820
00:40:57.360 --> 00:40:59.199
<v Speaker 1>that I did, and I really wanted to do shows

821
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:02.320
<v Speaker 1>that I felt like there was a real story there.

822
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:04.199
<v Speaker 1>We weren't gonna have to make up a bunch of

823
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:06.960
<v Speaker 1>stuff or fake a bunch of drama. Like I really

824
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.360
<v Speaker 1>just felt like the real story is enough. And so

825
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I picked my projects pretty carefully and that served me

826
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:15.480
<v Speaker 1>really really well, but really just finding out the right

827
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:18.159
<v Speaker 1>people and I just dove right into it so that

828
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:20.599
<v Speaker 1>I was a real long winded no, you're long, long

829
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:21.840
<v Speaker 1>winded answer to your question.

830
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:26.400
<v Speaker 2>No, you're good. I've always been curious, Like as a kid,

831
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:27.840
<v Speaker 2>one of the things I wanted to do when I

832
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.079
<v Speaker 2>grew up was always I wanted to make movies. So

833
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.079
<v Speaker 2>I used to get on our video camera and i'd

834
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:35.760
<v Speaker 2>video things and I'd make this little stop motion stuff

835
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:38.119
<v Speaker 2>with my g I Joe's or some stuff like that.

836
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:40.800
<v Speaker 2>But as I got older, I got into the music.

837
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:45.039
<v Speaker 2>And then now I have a full time job. I'm

838
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:48.400
<v Speaker 2>in charge of construction projects, highway projects, but at night

839
00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:53.519
<v Speaker 2>I moonlight as a podcaster. So but uh, it's just

840
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:57.440
<v Speaker 2>one of those things, like I've always found it fascinating

841
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:02.880
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to like making art, maget music, making shows.

842
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:05.280
<v Speaker 2>To me, it's like you're creating something like you said,

843
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.480
<v Speaker 2>it's like a creative outlet. I think that's why I

844
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:09.800
<v Speaker 2>come to the podcast, because I can actually do this

845
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:12.000
<v Speaker 2>when I don't have to necessarily rely on a lot

846
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:14.079
<v Speaker 2>of other people. It's just my own thing where I

847
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:15.639
<v Speaker 2>can come out here and talk to people.

848
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. As a kid, I lived like

849
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:24.159
<v Speaker 1>a I was always in a creating. I liked sort

850
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:26.239
<v Speaker 1>of like the chaos of it. I love the chaos

851
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:27.599
<v Speaker 1>of my job, to be honest, and I call it

852
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:31.239
<v Speaker 1>chaos is because you know, especially when I was freelancer,

853
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:35.360
<v Speaker 1>even now, even the nomadica in the company, I would say,

854
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:37.719
<v Speaker 1>what's gonna jump? What's gonna fall from the sky tomorrow?

855
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:40.599
<v Speaker 1>You know what random opportunity is is going to fall

856
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:42.800
<v Speaker 1>from this guy that's going to send me out halfway

857
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:46.360
<v Speaker 1>across the world. It's like there's no predictability, and some

858
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:48.599
<v Speaker 1>people really struggle with that, right, Like I think a lot,

859
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:53.440
<v Speaker 1>especially having kids, I need a little bit more predictability

860
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:55.440
<v Speaker 1>that I have when I was younger, But there's still

861
00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:58.440
<v Speaker 1>that sort of there's still that piece of unpredictability that

862
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:03.880
<v Speaker 1>I really really like that, you know, I think for myself,

863
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:06.480
<v Speaker 1>I like living in that chaos. I love living in

864
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:09.360
<v Speaker 1>the unpredictability. I love being like, I'm gonna tell stories

865
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:10.760
<v Speaker 1>this year, but I don't know where it's gonna take me.

866
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what situation is going to boot me

867
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:15.000
<v Speaker 1>in front of. And then you got to get them

868
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:17.360
<v Speaker 1>and you got to educate yourself as quickly as possible,

869
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:19.519
<v Speaker 1>you know. And it's such a cool way to continue

870
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:23.760
<v Speaker 1>my education and and learn about things that I literally

871
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:27.840
<v Speaker 1>could not have guessed. It could never have anticipated anything

872
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:30.679
<v Speaker 1>that these adventures or stories that I would get that

873
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:32.840
<v Speaker 1>I get to go tell. And I like that about

874
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:35.159
<v Speaker 1>it a lot, the randomness and the chaos of it.

875
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:38.760
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it's fun. It's fun to create, you know.

876
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:42.800
<v Speaker 1>For me, I think the hard part is just you know,

877
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:45.400
<v Speaker 1>people I'm should have same with you, Like when people

878
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:48.880
<v Speaker 1>tell you tell tell me their story and put their

879
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:50.840
<v Speaker 1>trust in me that I'm gonna you know, I'm putting

880
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:52.639
<v Speaker 1>it on a big platform. I just want to do

881
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.119
<v Speaker 1>the justice, you know, And that really is like what

882
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:57.960
<v Speaker 1>drives me. It's uh, if my if my mother was

883
00:43:58.000 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 1>on this podcast so that she said, it's your guilt,

884
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:02.840
<v Speaker 1>your guilt is what drives you. But I think it

885
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:04.679
<v Speaker 1>is It's like I really do have this sort of

886
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:09.360
<v Speaker 1>like sense of of the kind way of putting his responsibility.

887
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:11.599
<v Speaker 1>But I like the fear side of me, Like I

888
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:14.960
<v Speaker 1>just want to take and tell these stories as best

889
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:20.039
<v Speaker 1>as I can, whether that's like a SoundBite or a

890
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:22.320
<v Speaker 1>visual or whatever that is. It is just try to

891
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:28.920
<v Speaker 1>like do that person story justice. And when every one

892
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:32.000
<v Speaker 1>of these episodes air, like every time Friday night comes,

893
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm just sitting there waiting for the emails that come back.

894
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I hope they liked I really truly that

895
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:40.239
<v Speaker 1>is like my my level of anxiety. But yeah, I've

896
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:44.320
<v Speaker 1>always loved creative stuff. I love music growing up too,

897
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:46.239
<v Speaker 1>just like you. I never got it was never in

898
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:49.079
<v Speaker 1>a banner aything that, but I just I always wanted

899
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:54.039
<v Speaker 1>to pursue something that felt creative. I think the challenge

900
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:55.760
<v Speaker 1>is always like how do you make that a business?

901
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:58.920
<v Speaker 1>You know? The business of creativity, I think is really tricky.

902
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:02.480
<v Speaker 1>You know. It's just like it's once you add that

903
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:05.960
<v Speaker 1>that aspect into it, it inevitably changes it, you know,

904
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:08.760
<v Speaker 1>it changes having to figure out how you monetize that creativity.

905
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:11.360
<v Speaker 1>I remember I worked as like a I used to

906
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:14.039
<v Speaker 1>do like blown glass back in the day. I mean

907
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:15.719
<v Speaker 1>growing up in the Northwest, it's like a big thing

908
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:17.719
<v Speaker 1>out here is like you know, it's making those things.

909
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:20.559
<v Speaker 1>So I remember I did a class with this guy

910
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:22.440
<v Speaker 1>and I and part of the class was like you

911
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.719
<v Speaker 1>had to make like a I made like a really tall,

912
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:29.599
<v Speaker 1>long vase and he's like, I like that. Now the

913
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:31.440
<v Speaker 1>trick is how do I make a hundred of those?

914
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:33.360
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, ah, that doesn't sound fun, man,

915
00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:34.880
<v Speaker 1>I want to put this one aside and make a

916
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:37.719
<v Speaker 1>new one. But that is like the business of creativity,

917
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.320
<v Speaker 1>which is sort of like that, that repetition. And I

918
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:42.679
<v Speaker 1>think that that's a I think for anyone who has

919
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:45.599
<v Speaker 1>creative endeavors, that's a really tricky thing to figure out.

920
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Is the business behind creating and change.

921
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:54.840
<v Speaker 2>And it's the other thing is to keep maybe for me,

922
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:59.599
<v Speaker 2>but like it's to keep the interest of my own self,

923
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:01.679
<v Speaker 2>but also so the people that are involved, whether they

924
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:03.519
<v Speaker 2>want to come on the show, the people that want

925
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:06.199
<v Speaker 2>to listen to this stuff, Like you, I have to

926
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:09.800
<v Speaker 2>find the things interesting to keep my own fascination going.

927
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:12.519
<v Speaker 2>And with you travel around doing like it has to

928
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:14.159
<v Speaker 2>be something you would have to be interested in. You

929
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:17.159
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't go and do something that you've already said, like

930
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:19.199
<v Speaker 2>you're not gonna go to like DOUP reality TV of

931
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:21.400
<v Speaker 2>the drama and stuff like that, it's something that you

932
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:23.440
<v Speaker 2>would enjoy. You have to enjoy what you're doing.

933
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:28.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally. I think I I can probably convince myself

934
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:31.639
<v Speaker 1>to be pretty excited or curious about most things. You

935
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:33.719
<v Speaker 1>can find some sort of justification for it, but you're

936
00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:36.159
<v Speaker 1>right like it. And but I think that that's kind

937
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:41.199
<v Speaker 1>of a mindset of just realizing that, like there's something

938
00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:43.880
<v Speaker 1>interesting I think in everything for me, but you come

939
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:45.920
<v Speaker 1>down you got to find it. Like the surface levels

940
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:49.440
<v Speaker 1>like that's not interesting to me, but there's always something there.

941
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.119
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's the part of storytelling I really

942
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.760
<v Speaker 1>like is sometimes what's like on the surface is what

943
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:57.559
<v Speaker 1>most people tell them. I'm gonna tell the surface of

944
00:46:57.679 --> 00:46:59.760
<v Speaker 1>the story, that's the obvious story. But I think what

945
00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:02.840
<v Speaker 1>I find interesting in terms of what I do is

946
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:05.159
<v Speaker 1>like is like in this why like most of my

947
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:07.559
<v Speaker 1>interviews I do were like hours and hours and hours

948
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.480
<v Speaker 1>and hours long, because that you wear people down, you

949
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:12.480
<v Speaker 1>find the part of their story or the part of

950
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:16.199
<v Speaker 1>an adventure that I think is interesting. And so that's

951
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:18.559
<v Speaker 1>what I kind of always like It's almost like the

952
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:21.519
<v Speaker 1>search for that little nugget is what is curious to me.

953
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:24.360
<v Speaker 1>That's what that's what I kind of get get excited about.

954
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:27.000
<v Speaker 1>But you're right if if I can't just I wouldn't

955
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:29.159
<v Speaker 1>be if I'm just doing something for like a paycheck

956
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:31.719
<v Speaker 1>or something. Sometimes I wish I was that guy, because

957
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:34.159
<v Speaker 1>it'd be be a little bit easier to operate that way.

958
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:37.800
<v Speaker 1>But I always feel that there has to be something else, uh,

959
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:40.599
<v Speaker 1>something else there that that that that speaks to me,

960
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:42.559
<v Speaker 1>and that to your point, that's when I feel like

961
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:44.679
<v Speaker 1>I actually do a good job, you know, And I

962
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:46.960
<v Speaker 1>have like that self. I'm invested in that way.

963
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:50.239
<v Speaker 2>So I I feel like when I do my show

964
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:54.159
<v Speaker 2>for me, it's the people are trusting me to enough

965
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:56.559
<v Speaker 2>to come on here talk about things that you can't

966
00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:59.280
<v Speaker 2>usually talk about with people. So I feel like it's

967
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:04.159
<v Speaker 2>my response ability to not alter what they're saying, not

968
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:08.079
<v Speaker 2>do a whole like I present it as this is

969
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:12.679
<v Speaker 2>their word. Now I've said this on other episodes. Anyone

970
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.800
<v Speaker 2>list is not. I'm not saying that everything that someone

971
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:18.840
<v Speaker 2>comes on here and tells me is one hundred percent factual,

972
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:22.480
<v Speaker 2>but I think they believe what they're telling me. So

973
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:25.719
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't mean that I don't believe them, but it

974
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:27.840
<v Speaker 2>also means, like we talked about it, it could be

975
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:30.400
<v Speaker 2>a mistaken identity. You may not have seen what you

976
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:32.079
<v Speaker 2>think you saw. You may not have experience with you,

977
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:37.239
<v Speaker 2>but you saw something. So it's yeah, I wasn't there,

978
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:39.400
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see it. So who am I to say

979
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:40.800
<v Speaker 2>that you didn't see what you said you saw.

980
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:47.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's it's kind of like it's it's way

981
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:50.880
<v Speaker 1>more interesting to buy in than it is to to not.

982
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:53.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, It's like if I go to a if

983
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:54.760
<v Speaker 1>I did go to an interview, like I don't know

984
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:56.760
<v Speaker 1>if I believe this one, I'm not going to do

985
00:48:56.800 --> 00:48:59.440
<v Speaker 1>a good job either, you know. Like for me, like

986
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:03.320
<v Speaker 1>I go in in with I am I'm hooked. And

987
00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:05.800
<v Speaker 1>it's not false, Like it's not I'm not faking it

988
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:07.960
<v Speaker 1>at all. Like I really go and just I think,

989
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:12.639
<v Speaker 1>like you're saying, to these conversations, I'm super curious. I

990
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:15.440
<v Speaker 1>really want to hear what people say and I and

991
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:17.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not having the conversation in my head going do

992
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:20.320
<v Speaker 1>I believe this or not? That question is not in

993
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:22.840
<v Speaker 1>my head. It is not the point of it. It's

994
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:25.840
<v Speaker 1>not what I'm after. It's not why I'm having the conversation.

995
00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:31.320
<v Speaker 1>And I think that I think that puts people at ease.

996
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:33.920
<v Speaker 1>I think you can read that on people's faces, you know.

997
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:36.400
<v Speaker 1>And I'm for me, I'm always trying to I always

998
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:38.960
<v Speaker 1>truly am like leaning in like I get out of

999
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:41.239
<v Speaker 1>that and I feel exhausted after an interview. I'm sure

1000
00:49:41.239 --> 00:49:43.480
<v Speaker 1>people will talk to me. I feel exhausted too, because

1001
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:46.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm just I am I'm hooked, like I'm just really

1002
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:50.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm obsessed with their story. I remember went to

1003
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:52.320
<v Speaker 1>the to Nepaul like and Adam like seeing you a

1004
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:53.840
<v Speaker 1>hard time about this, but like I went to the Paul.

1005
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:56.480
<v Speaker 1>I remember, I turned to my crew. I was convinced

1006
00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:58.440
<v Speaker 1>we were going to cap we were going to capture visually.

1007
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:01.159
<v Speaker 1>Yetie like that. That's That's how I wanted to go

1008
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:04.320
<v Speaker 1>into that experience, convinced that what we had put together

1009
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:06.599
<v Speaker 1>was going to come back with some evidence. I remember

1010
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:09.079
<v Speaker 1>I looked at my crew and I was like, everyone's

1011
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:11.360
<v Speaker 1>in charge of getting the shot. You know, just because

1012
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:14.440
<v Speaker 1>you're not Adam or Ian or Yagihara and you're not

1013
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:18.000
<v Speaker 1>on camera, your job is to keep an eye out

1014
00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:19.960
<v Speaker 1>as well. Your job is to look around and see

1015
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:21.880
<v Speaker 1>what we see because we're in a really unique area.

1016
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:24.239
<v Speaker 1>This is a really unique opportunity, and I think we

1017
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:27.079
<v Speaker 1>set this up really well. And I was bought in,

1018
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:29.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, that was that That's what made it exciting

1019
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:33.320
<v Speaker 1>for me and believe that this was really going to

1020
00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:38.480
<v Speaker 1>like net something. So yeah, I'm I'm, I'm. That's kind

1021
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:40.360
<v Speaker 1>of like my philosophy with all this stuff is it's

1022
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:44.000
<v Speaker 1>it's always imbody. I'm always about it. I choose not

1023
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:47.039
<v Speaker 1>to live with this. Maybe later I'll think skeptically about

1024
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:48.800
<v Speaker 1>it and sort of ponder it a little bit and

1025
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:50.400
<v Speaker 1>think about it. But in the moment, I'm just there

1026
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:53.440
<v Speaker 1>to sort of like receive it and just experience it.

1027
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:56.360
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's that's it's more fun for me.

1028
00:50:57.159 --> 00:50:59.400
<v Speaker 2>From all your travels and everything that you have done,

1029
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:02.519
<v Speaker 2>is there been anything you've ever experienced that you can't

1030
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:06.800
<v Speaker 2>explain as far as like could be paranormal or you

1031
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:09.360
<v Speaker 2>mentioned you have like seen anything that just makes you

1032
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:11.679
<v Speaker 2>question anything.

1033
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:17.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Adam took me. I mean, there's definitely been

1034
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:21.719
<v Speaker 1>stuff on some of my travels that's been odd, that's

1035
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:25.760
<v Speaker 1>been odd. The one thing that one story I had

1036
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:28.000
<v Speaker 1>with Adam though, is we were he was coming up

1037
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:29.840
<v Speaker 1>to It was after we got back from the pond,

1038
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:32.599
<v Speaker 1>and he was coming back to the Pacific Northwest and

1039
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:36.239
<v Speaker 1>he was going to he was going to head up

1040
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:39.599
<v Speaker 1>to this area in the Cascades, this area this guy

1041
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:42.159
<v Speaker 1>named Donald Lee Wallace used to sort of he's a big,

1042
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:44.199
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot researcher back in that. I think he lived up

1043
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:46.920
<v Speaker 1>there for like twenty eight years. And Adam was with

1044
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:48.639
<v Speaker 1>his daughter. And this guy must have recorded, I mean,

1045
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:51.519
<v Speaker 1>just had piles of tapes, just cold cassette tapes. And

1046
00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:54.400
<v Speaker 1>I just pictured him like having those old cassette recorders

1047
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:57.360
<v Speaker 1>and he would just record the sounds of the Cascades,

1048
00:51:57.800 --> 00:51:59.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, just thinking what is he recording? Is here

1049
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:02.679
<v Speaker 1>recording the sounds of sasquatch? And so we went back

1050
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:05.559
<v Speaker 1>up there and he took me up there and moved

1051
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:10.880
<v Speaker 1>to the tree and got to that tree, and Laurie,

1052
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:13.800
<v Speaker 1>who was was Donald, had passed this point. But Donald's

1053
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:16.159
<v Speaker 1>daughter went to this tree and he she's talking, hey,

1054
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:18.480
<v Speaker 1>big guy, Hey, big guy. Put apples down and some

1055
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:21.920
<v Speaker 1>chocolate and weird nothing. And I brought a buddy along

1056
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:23.199
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh, I'm not going to hear

1057
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:25.199
<v Speaker 1>the end of this. My buddies said, give me, give

1058
00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:26.840
<v Speaker 1>me a hard time about this for the rest of

1059
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:29.679
<v Speaker 1>my days. And we walk around a little bit and

1060
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:32.000
<v Speaker 1>we come back and Laurie's like, O, Jared, just why

1061
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:33.960
<v Speaker 1>he's come over? Just just you and I come over

1062
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:37.159
<v Speaker 1>this tree and go to this tree and it's kind

1063
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:41.400
<v Speaker 1>of just right early springs. There's still a little bit

1064
00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:42.960
<v Speaker 1>of snow on the ground. It's like kind of a

1065
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:46.360
<v Speaker 1>camping area there's but there's nobody else there. And we

1066
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:48.480
<v Speaker 1>go to this area and she's like, hey, big guy,

1067
00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:54.800
<v Speaker 1>And I heard a growl coming from beneath this tree

1068
00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:58.079
<v Speaker 1>and then like a knocking from underneath this tree. And

1069
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:03.679
<v Speaker 1>brain went on for hours, like a long, long long time,

1070
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:06.000
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, hey, my head, I'm like, it's a bear.

1071
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:08.400
<v Speaker 1>It's this, you know. I'm just in my head. I'm like,

1072
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:11.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of questioning because it's just so bizarre. And

1073
00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:15.440
<v Speaker 1>the areaway had had it was like a thick moss floor.

1074
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:18.960
<v Speaker 1>There's like as a massy floor basically. And I walked

1075
00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:21.719
<v Speaker 1>around that area for a long time looking for some

1076
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.639
<v Speaker 1>entryway in, but I kind of figured it out, and

1077
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:26.400
<v Speaker 1>I had a little recorder with me and you can

1078
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:28.400
<v Speaker 1>if you if you have the lay headphones on, you

1079
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:31.960
<v Speaker 1>can hear the growl. And I think about it a lot,

1080
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:34.039
<v Speaker 1>like I think about that a lot, and I just

1081
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:36.519
<v Speaker 1>could not explain it. And since it was the same

1082
00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:38.760
<v Speaker 1>place RI had come back for years and years and

1083
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:41.199
<v Speaker 1>years and years, and she said, oh, yeah, this is

1084
00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:45.199
<v Speaker 1>the tree that this this asquatch like lives underneath this tree.

1085
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:48.119
<v Speaker 1>And I heard it. I can't explain it. Even my

1086
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:51.079
<v Speaker 1>buddy that went out there, inevitably, he's a dentist. I'm

1087
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:54.079
<v Speaker 1>gonna see him tomorrow and I guarantee you tomorrow morning,

1088
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:56.639
<v Speaker 1>this is what he brings up with me. I guarantee it.

1089
00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:59.559
<v Speaker 1>It is like it is it is. It is like

1090
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:05.159
<v Speaker 1>the constant source of communication, constant, constant source of conversation

1091
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:08.320
<v Speaker 1>between us is going back to this event with Adam

1092
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:10.880
<v Speaker 1>and the cascades. And I can't explain it. I I

1093
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:13.280
<v Speaker 1>find that the other the other things that I've seen,

1094
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:17.199
<v Speaker 1>I have a terrible memory, have a terrible memory. So

1095
00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:20.199
<v Speaker 1>sometimes I will think, I, like have a memory, and

1096
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:23.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't. I don't know if other people go through this,

1097
00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:25.199
<v Speaker 1>but I can't sometimes like did I am I just

1098
00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:28.559
<v Speaker 1>imagining that this happened or did this really happen? That one,

1099
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:32.639
<v Speaker 1>mostly because there's other people there that was a that

1100
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:37.159
<v Speaker 1>was an event I cannot I cannot explain, but it

1101
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:39.239
<v Speaker 1>was cool. I'm really glad it happened. It was it

1102
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:39.800
<v Speaker 1>was awesome.

1103
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:43.599
<v Speaker 2>Those things stick with you, the things that you can't explain,

1104
00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:46.599
<v Speaker 2>especially like you said, other people there that witnessed it too,

1105
00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:51.239
<v Speaker 2>like it reassures you that you did hear something.

1106
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Did hear something? Yeah? Absolutely, And you know I was

1107
00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:59.760
<v Speaker 1>on podcast with Adam Middy and sometimes similar questions. He said, oh,

1108
00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:01.559
<v Speaker 1>what a about the moment up in the Cascades. I

1109
00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:03.719
<v Speaker 1>was like, of course, of course that moment, Yes, that

1110
00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:07.000
<v Speaker 1>is a that is a weird, odd, odd moment. But yeah,

1111
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:12.800
<v Speaker 1>it's it's hearing these stories makes you pay attention, you know,

1112
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:17.639
<v Speaker 1>it really really does. I live on like five acres

1113
00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:20.440
<v Speaker 1>out here and in the Northwest, and ever I'm walking

1114
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:22.559
<v Speaker 1>around my property night with my dog taking her out

1115
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:24.480
<v Speaker 1>or something, or going to check on the chickens, closing

1116
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:27.639
<v Speaker 1>the chicken coope. Man, I will tell you these stories,

1117
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:30.320
<v Speaker 1>especially for the first the first couple of months after

1118
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:33.159
<v Speaker 1>I did all my interviews, it was I could not

1119
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:35.599
<v Speaker 1>not think about that. I could not walk out of

1120
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:38.840
<v Speaker 1>my house into dark and not ponder his dog man

1121
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:42.320
<v Speaker 1>out here, his sask here is something from the sky

1122
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:45.239
<v Speaker 1>about to come down? And like, you know, shy, I

1123
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:48.400
<v Speaker 1>just in my I had to almost say, like Jared,

1124
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:52.320
<v Speaker 1>chill out, like this time, you've never seen anything on

1125
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:54.880
<v Speaker 1>the property here, But it's a you know, I kind

1126
00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:56.719
<v Speaker 1>of like accepted the fact that I knew that was

1127
00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:58.960
<v Speaker 1>going to happen to me. I knew that these stories,

1128
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:01.719
<v Speaker 1>not just because I hadn't experienced what they have, but

1129
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:05.239
<v Speaker 1>they've really stuck to me, and they have like literally

1130
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:07.800
<v Speaker 1>changed the way that I operate when I'm in the

1131
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:11.239
<v Speaker 1>dark and what I'm looking for and what I'm listening to.

1132
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:14.760
<v Speaker 1>And it kind of goes back to cognitive bias, you know,

1133
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:18.840
<v Speaker 1>even not consciously, unconsciously, I am like looking and seeking

1134
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:23.760
<v Speaker 1>and listening for the unexpected, and it's just just changed

1135
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:24.480
<v Speaker 1>the way I operate.

1136
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:28.599
<v Speaker 2>Yep. Funny story, h When we first moved out, you

1137
00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:32.639
<v Speaker 2>mentioned chickens. We had chickens. We don't anymore because mysteriously

1138
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:34.119
<v Speaker 2>something kept getting in there and eating them. Innut. It

1139
00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:35.719
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a big foot or a dog man. It was

1140
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:37.199
<v Speaker 2>a raccoon, an Apostle.

1141
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:41.239
<v Speaker 1>But oh yeah, they're a great nenemesis, aren't they. That's right, Coo.

1142
00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:44.159
<v Speaker 2>When we first moved in, we have goats too. And

1143
00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:46.320
<v Speaker 2>one of the first nights, I went out there, and

1144
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:48.119
<v Speaker 2>it's pitch black, and I wanted to go out there

1145
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:50.360
<v Speaker 2>and make sure the goats went to their barn. And

1146
00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:54.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know anything about goats, so it's pitch black.

1147
00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:57.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm already looking around because there's corn standing up and

1148
00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:01.719
<v Speaker 2>everything else, because again I've had my own experience to

1149
00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:03.960
<v Speaker 2>where I'm I know what's out there, or at least

1150
00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:06.480
<v Speaker 2>I think I might know what's out there. And I

1151
00:57:06.519 --> 00:57:10.360
<v Speaker 2>come around to where the goat barn is and the

1152
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:13.559
<v Speaker 2>moon is shining, and there's just a silhouette and it's

1153
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:17.920
<v Speaker 2>the whole Boffamet shape. It's the goats with the antlers,

1154
00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:21.239
<v Speaker 2>like the horns and everything, and it's standing up against

1155
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:23.679
<v Speaker 2>a tree eating the bark. But the way I see it,

1156
00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:25.880
<v Speaker 2>it's on its back legs and it's standing up like

1157
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:31.039
<v Speaker 2>a person. And I instantly was like, the fear hits

1158
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:35.039
<v Speaker 2>you because you're just like, oh, oh, I just and

1159
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:37.159
<v Speaker 2>then I realized it's just the goat eating the bark,

1160
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:39.360
<v Speaker 2>but like that you're just not expecting to go out

1161
00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:41.920
<v Speaker 2>there and see it on its hind legs and then

1162
00:57:41.960 --> 00:57:44.960
<v Speaker 2>the silhouette of the horns sticking up and everything else.

1163
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:46.960
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what kind of a house did we

1164
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:50.559
<v Speaker 2>just buy? Because apparently the devil's in the backyard.

1165
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:56.920
<v Speaker 1>That's right. Oh, that's fascinating. So I want to ask you,

1166
00:57:56.960 --> 00:57:59.760
<v Speaker 1>like you're the encounter that you had, did it make

1167
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:02.760
<v Speaker 1>you want to stay in that area more? So?

1168
00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:07.199
<v Speaker 2>I grew up here. This is where I live now

1169
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:10.559
<v Speaker 2>is probably just three miles from where I grew up

1170
00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:12.480
<v Speaker 2>in majority of like my parents still live down there,

1171
00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:14.280
<v Speaker 2>my grandparents live down there, and I got a bunch

1172
00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:17.119
<v Speaker 2>of aunt and uncles. They all lived in this area.

1173
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:21.679
<v Speaker 2>And this thing happened to me about two miles up

1174
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:24.880
<v Speaker 2>the road from where we live, and now I live

1175
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:27.559
<v Speaker 2>just a couple of miles from there, so I actually

1176
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:31.280
<v Speaker 2>drive down that road all the time, and my older

1177
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:32.719
<v Speaker 2>kids will ask me what am I going to do

1178
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:35.960
<v Speaker 2>if I ever see it again? I was like, I'm

1179
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:45.719
<v Speaker 2>on trump the gas. So it's for the longest time.

1180
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:47.360
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, I've tried to write it off as

1181
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:52.800
<v Speaker 2>it was just something explainable, But if you have time,

1182
00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:54.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you off air the whole thing, because there's

1183
00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:58.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot to it. It makes no sense, and I don't

1184
00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:02.159
<v Speaker 2>want to bore the audience with it. But there's just

1185
00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:06.360
<v Speaker 2>so much too that makes absolutely no sense that I don't.

1186
00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:11.440
<v Speaker 2>I struggle to accept my own but I struggle to

1187
00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:14.280
<v Speaker 2>accept what I saw because there's absolutely no reason why

1188
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:18.360
<v Speaker 2>they should exist. So it's just one of those things that,

1189
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:21.360
<v Speaker 2>like it haunts you because I can't explain. And I'm

1190
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:23.760
<v Speaker 2>someone that's like very science based. So I was, like,

1191
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:28.480
<v Speaker 2>there's no biological explanation of how a canine can walk

1192
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:32.239
<v Speaker 2>like a human, Like there's no evolutionary line for that,

1193
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:34.079
<v Speaker 2>at least not that I'm aware of. Like I could

1194
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:37.719
<v Speaker 2>understand Bigfoot as a primate, but how do you explain

1195
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:42.840
<v Speaker 2>that about a canine. So that's where I just struggle

1196
00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:46.079
<v Speaker 2>with it, because there's no right, there's no way this

1197
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:48.320
<v Speaker 2>would have it should have existed.

1198
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:53.519
<v Speaker 1>So I've heard that before, Brandon. You know you're not

1199
00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:59.360
<v Speaker 1>You're not alone. That's that's what makes it stick with

1200
00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:02.119
<v Speaker 1>you because it's sort of you know, you call it

1201
01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:04.559
<v Speaker 1>a paradigm shift or whatever you want to call it.

1202
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:07.639
<v Speaker 1>It changes, you know, we all sort of our brains

1203
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:11.599
<v Speaker 1>we have this, especially human beings. We have our brains

1204
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:15.599
<v Speaker 1>live in certain types of order and construct and that's

1205
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:18.239
<v Speaker 1>how we survive in the world. Right, you have a

1206
01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:22.800
<v Speaker 1>certain a line of knowns any animal, Right, it creates

1207
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:26.239
<v Speaker 1>your patterns of activity, your expectations we're safe and not safe,

1208
01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:29.440
<v Speaker 1>something that happens. The reason I think it sticks with

1209
01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:33.039
<v Speaker 1>us so much is because it challenges that system by

1210
01:00:33.039 --> 01:00:36.119
<v Speaker 1>which you've been how you've been operating your entire life,

1211
01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:38.280
<v Speaker 1>you know. And it's it's probably the source of your

1212
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:41.480
<v Speaker 1>kid's question too, Hey, if you see this again, what

1213
01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:43.119
<v Speaker 1>are you going to do? Because it's a whole new

1214
01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:45.599
<v Speaker 1>It's something completely new. But that's I think that's what

1215
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:52.280
<v Speaker 1>makes life interesting. And I think sometimes some people obviously

1216
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:55.000
<v Speaker 1>have some terrible things. But when I would say, as

1217
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:57.360
<v Speaker 1>long as I survive it, get through it, I really

1218
01:00:57.360 --> 01:00:59.440
<v Speaker 1>love it. You know. I look back and I appreciate

1219
01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:02.800
<v Speaker 1>those experiences because I think they change who I am,

1220
01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:05.119
<v Speaker 1>you know. And obviously I'm not talking about just like

1221
01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:07.960
<v Speaker 1>encounters are the unexpected, but anything that sort of like

1222
01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:10.480
<v Speaker 1>changes your perspective or reality on the world. As long

1223
01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:12.760
<v Speaker 1>as you get through it, well as I get through it,

1224
01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:15.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm like totally for it, you know, because it just

1225
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:18.079
<v Speaker 1>makes it, well, it makes my existence that much more interesting.

1226
01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree, because most people that I've talked to

1227
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:24.159
<v Speaker 2>that have had encounters like this, they're not out trying

1228
01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:25.960
<v Speaker 2>to find it again. And here I am out trying

1229
01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:28.360
<v Speaker 2>to run off in the woods chase after these things.

1230
01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:32.119
<v Speaker 2>So we've been going on for about an hour, so

1231
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:33.960
<v Speaker 2>we can probably get ready to wrap this one up.

1232
01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:36.159
<v Speaker 2>But I was going to ask, is there anything else

1233
01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:38.760
<v Speaker 2>you would like to discuss beforehand? Because I know with

1234
01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Monster Quest Aaron, right now, what is on the horizon

1235
01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:44.920
<v Speaker 2>for you and your company after Monster Quest?

1236
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, recently hoping to do more episodes, you know, if

1237
01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:52.039
<v Speaker 1>if History Channel is up for it, we love to

1238
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:55.159
<v Speaker 1>do more. We had just a blast putting the season together.

1239
01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:58.639
<v Speaker 1>It was really fun And if anything I've learned doing

1240
01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:01.159
<v Speaker 1>during this season is there's a lot more stories out

1241
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:03.559
<v Speaker 1>there that I would be really excited to tell and

1242
01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:07.440
<v Speaker 1>and give this sort of platform too. And other than that,

1243
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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're we're always developing, and I was just say,

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<v Speaker 1>like staying curious, you know, looking we're playing around with

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<v Speaker 1>some limited series. You know, I find that whenever I

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<v Speaker 1>do a show, it becomes a new part of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I did that Treasure show. There's some

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<v Speaker 1>cool treasure stories out there that we're sort of searching

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<v Speaker 1>looking at some more. So it's anytime I do one show,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it just is like a gateway into

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<v Speaker 1>some more of that other stuff because I just, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of want to tell more stories like it.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, so it's following a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff that's that we've done historically and then trying

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<v Speaker 1>to find some new things to dig into as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, like I said, it's the greatest part about

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<v Speaker 1>my job is that it's it's chaos and I can

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<v Speaker 1>never really predict where it's going to take me going

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<v Speaker 1>to take me next, So I'll be excited to find out.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll let you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it well, Jared, it has been a pleasure

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<v Speaker 2>talking to you. I hope not but success for you

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<v Speaker 2>and a monster question your company and your next endeavor.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much, friend, Really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Take care, Yep, you have a good night, you too.

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<v Speaker 1>See it.

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