Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them.
Speaker 1: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
Speaker 1: that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my
Speaker 1: head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And
Speaker 1: one of the things I remember the most where the
Speaker 1: eyes were going red.
Speaker 2: I see an orb of light. It is just circling
Speaker 2: these steps like it is waiting for me.
Speaker 1: And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.
Speaker 1: They're basically like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 2: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,
Speaker 2: and that's where I saw.
Speaker 1: The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As
Speaker 1: soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I
Speaker 1: don't like death.
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Speaker 2: back to tenfoil Tells tonight. I'm joined by Mike Guess,
Speaker 2: Jared Jared, thanks for coming on here and talking to me.
Speaker 1: St to be here, Brandon, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Would you like to let the audience know a little
Speaker 2: bit about yourself?
Speaker 1: Oh? Man, I guess I should. I am. I own
Speaker 1: a company called The Magic of Films. Have been making
Speaker 1: TV shows and films for I always think that everything
Speaker 1: has been like a couple of years, but really it's
Speaker 1: been like twenty some years. You know. I think everything's
Speaker 1: just a couple of years ago, but it's been It's
Speaker 1: been a while, And yeah, the latest project we've been
Speaker 1: working on is a reboot of Monster Quests, which has
Speaker 1: just been a blast to put together. So that's just uh,
Speaker 1: that's just premiered and this week will be episode four.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's monsters and creatures and unknown, unknown encounters.
Speaker 1: That's been my word for, like in a very intense
Speaker 1: way for the past year and.
Speaker 2: A half, of all things out there. Everyone always asks
Speaker 2: why we always go towards monsters and cryptids and everything else,
Speaker 2: and what is your reasoning for? I have my reasons,
Speaker 2: but what what was drew you into that?
Speaker 1: Uh? You know, years ago, I was brought on when
Speaker 1: I first started out in the business, I was sort
Speaker 1: of my I was known to sort of go into
Speaker 1: sort of dangerous places. You know. I filmed in Afghanistan
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. I was just sort of
Speaker 1: the dangerous expedition guy sort of. I was lucky enough
Speaker 1: to be known for that because it sent me to
Speaker 1: some really odd places and cool places in the world.
Speaker 1: And one of the one of the adventures I got
Speaker 1: to go on is I got to go to the
Speaker 1: Hemalays and Nepal looking for the Yetti. For an earlier
Speaker 1: version of Monster Quest. And you know, I grew up
Speaker 1: in the Pacific Northwest, Sasquatch was one hundred percent part
Speaker 1: of my childhood. I don't I didn't have really any
Speaker 1: encounters as a kid, but uh, my friend's parents did,
Speaker 1: people I know that did. So I've always had a
Speaker 1: general curiosity about this stuff. And you know, we were
Speaker 1: we were talking History Channel about a couple of different shows,
Speaker 1: and Cryptids came up, and you know, it was obviously
Speaker 1: a place that I thought, you know, I always think
Speaker 1: about how do I want to spend next you know,
Speaker 1: the next year or two of my life and I
Speaker 1: and I've always wanted to sort of do something that
Speaker 1: that took a kind of a deep dive look into
Speaker 1: the world as encrypted. So it started as like a
Speaker 1: really informal conversation and then it just took me down
Speaker 1: a road. And I've known Adam Davies for a long
Speaker 1: time and so you know, that's sort of just sort
Speaker 1: of like a constant communication about the little adventures he's
Speaker 1: gone on. So I've always been curious about it. And
Speaker 1: so when the opportunity sort of came up up to
Speaker 1: sort of do a little bit of deeper dive into it,
Speaker 1: I jumped at it because it's just it's always something
Speaker 1: that I've been curious about, and it's it's definitely something
Speaker 1: that you know, a lot of encounters here in my backyard.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so that was that was the real reasoning
Speaker 1: is I I tend to believe that it's more interesting
Speaker 1: to think that there are things out there that we
Speaker 1: don't understand and to think that we know it all.
Speaker 1: And so it felt like a real unique opportunity to
Speaker 1: sort of to make that my life and my focus
Speaker 1: for a bit, and I'm glad I did. It's been
Speaker 1: a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: I know. The first episode came out a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks back, and I watched it because I've always been
Speaker 2: a fan of Monster Quest and I was excited to
Speaker 2: see the new season come out. But there's several people
Speaker 2: that I know personally that are involved in it. And
Speaker 2: the first episode was with Martin Groves and Martin's we
Speaker 2: were talking to all fair like he's a great guy,
Speaker 2: and I was just excited to have the show back
Speaker 2: on because it's something that twenty years ago. Was one
Speaker 2: of the first outlets for me was to watch that
Speaker 2: show because I was like, oh, there's other people so
Speaker 2: it was just one of those things because back then,
Speaker 2: like when that first came out, it wasn't really it
Speaker 2: was before Finding Bigfoot, it was before some of these
Speaker 2: other shows whatever, and you didn't hear a whole lot.
Speaker 2: You had shows like maybe Sightings back in the nineties,
Speaker 2: I think it was, and you had like In Search
Speaker 2: of a Leonard Nimoy years and years ago, but there
Speaker 2: wasn't a show like Monster Quest up until Monster Quest,
Speaker 2: And I think that kind of paved the way for
Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff that people do, I think
Speaker 2: and be one hundred percent, I don't have it paved
Speaker 2: the way for me doing my podcast because it gave
Speaker 2: me that inspiration. So it's it's cool to see it back.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad that you're involved with it and bringing
Speaker 2: it back out there for everyone.
Speaker 1: Oh thanks, man, I appreciate it. Yeah, it's been really fun,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it was a part of of of my
Speaker 1: like you know, growing up and my my that part
Speaker 1: of my life too, And yeah, I'm pretty thrilled to
Speaker 1: be part of bringing it back. It's been a blast,
Speaker 1: and I like, you know, I think that you know
Speaker 1: a lot of these shows tend to live on the
Speaker 1: sensational side of the story, kind of making in something
Speaker 1: else or poke holes and and I always felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, the original Monster Quest really went about it
Speaker 1: very objectively and thoughtfully, and and it was kind of
Speaker 1: fun to carry that torch forward in terms of our
Speaker 1: approach for this season and just trying to you know,
Speaker 1: not not question it, not try to look for or
Speaker 1: it is, not try to even ask the question is
Speaker 1: this true or is this not true? It really was
Speaker 1: not the point of the show. The point of the
Speaker 1: show is just to elevate credible stories where somebody had
Speaker 1: an encounter with something that they cannot understand, and trying
Speaker 1: to look into history and trends and patterns to sort
Speaker 1: of elevate this idea that they are not one off
Speaker 1: experiences and that these are part of all there are
Speaker 1: part of like deeper histories and that these people have
Speaker 1: gone through. So yeah, anyway, I'm glad, I'm glad you're
Speaker 1: excited that it's back, and I'm pretty excited.
Speaker 2: It's back to without ruining it or spoiling it for anyone,
Speaker 2: what was your favorite story that you guys covered. Is
Speaker 2: that something you talk about.
Speaker 1: That's such a tough question. I mean, you brought up
Speaker 1: Martin earlier. It's impossible not to. At least Martin is
Speaker 1: my favorite story. You know, Mark is fascinating, and it's
Speaker 1: so there's so many layers to it, so many sort
Speaker 1: of mysteries and peculiarities to it. And obviously they'll the
Speaker 1: area lay between the Lakes is a fascinating place with
Speaker 1: a really wild history, so that that that story was
Speaker 1: really fascinating. You know. There's a story coming up in
Speaker 1: this Friday's episode with which with Shane Luthold, who's a
Speaker 1: who's he's a judge right now in Ohio and he
Speaker 1: had an encounter when he was a kid in some
Speaker 1: cornfields out there. That that is just a really cool story.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a really interesting story. And obviously his
Speaker 1: background and and and and in sort of his place
Speaker 1: in the in in In as a judge is interesting.
Speaker 1: He's super credible. So Shane's was really fascinating too. Uh.
Speaker 1: There's a guy also named Johnny and Chinsky. He's a
Speaker 1: he's a wildlife biologist out of Wyoming who had an
Speaker 1: encounter and his story was fascinating as well. And now
Speaker 1: I remember leaving that interview with him, and and it
Speaker 1: was right before Jeff Meldrum passed tragically, and I had
Speaker 1: reached out to Jeff right after I met John because
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, man, we're going to do a feature
Speaker 1: documentary with these guys, Like they're just so much to
Speaker 1: the story and they had some unique evidence, and I
Speaker 1: think I'm really drawn, you know, just the stories where
Speaker 1: you know, I think some people have a lot to
Speaker 1: lose by coming out and telling these stories, you know,
Speaker 1: and somebody who's like a wildlife biologist who exists in
Speaker 1: science and its credibilities everything to come out and say, oh,
Speaker 1: I've seen I've had it encounter with sasquatch, and this
Speaker 1: is the evidence I've had. It's a it's a larger
Speaker 1: barrier for someone to overcome to come out and do
Speaker 1: that within withinter of that scientific community, with a creature
Speaker 1: that science hasn't recognized yet. And so I don't know,
Speaker 1: I really John's story is fascinating, has some really cool
Speaker 1: evidence to it, and you know, there are certain people
Speaker 1: I've talked to that I feel like are right on
Speaker 1: that precipice of delivering something to the scientific community that
Speaker 1: I think will just change the narrative to one hundred
Speaker 1: and by one hundred eighty degrees, you know, and just
Speaker 1: general consensus in the public. So I know those three.
Speaker 1: It's it's hard for me to choose though, because I
Speaker 1: tell you there's a really tough crush because I found,
Speaker 1: and I really don't mean this, every story that we
Speaker 1: crop covered I found to be so credible and so interesting,
Speaker 1: and I really left those interviews with a completely different perspective.
Speaker 1: And whether it was like an alien abduction or a
Speaker 1: dog man or a bigfooter goat man, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things out there that I feel like we don't
Speaker 1: quite understand. So they're all really incredible stories.
Speaker 2: There's all sorts of different types of cryptids that you
Speaker 2: just kind of wonder, like what are people seeing because,
Speaker 2: like you just mentioned goat man. The lore with goat
Speaker 2: man is usually it's around a bridge, and it's usually
Speaker 2: like a railroad bridge, at least the ones that I've
Speaker 2: been around here, because I was a goat man festival
Speaker 2: back in I think it was September October and it
Speaker 2: the stem This was down in Louisville. It stems for
Speaker 2: around like this old legend around a bridge. Well there's
Speaker 2: one in Texas too. It's the same story where it's
Speaker 2: a goat man, it's around an old railroad bridge. Where
Speaker 2: does this like where do they come from? Like when
Speaker 2: it comes to like goat man, this is what I
Speaker 2: like to find out, Like where did the stories originate from?
Speaker 2: Like how did the legends happen? Where people are seeing
Speaker 2: these things all around railroad tracks? Like when we talked
Speaker 2: off air about dog Man around river systems, Like a
Speaker 2: lot of people see them around the rivers. So it
Speaker 2: gives some sort of credence to the idea that, well,
Speaker 2: if someone sees the goat man around train tracks all
Speaker 2: the time, around a bridge for trains, and then people
Speaker 2: see dog Man around river systems, like, you have to
Speaker 2: think that there's some sort of credibility to what the
Speaker 2: people are seeing because it sounds so similar to what
Speaker 2: other people have talked about that they might not even
Speaker 2: know someone talked about it before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that consistency is undeniable, you know, and there's not.
Speaker 1: It's not they're all getting together and being a Hey,
Speaker 1: that's that's the thinking, a little connective tissue between our
Speaker 1: between our stories. Yeah, shadow Man too, Like that shadow
Speaker 1: the shadow Man stuff is something I really I sort
Speaker 1: of knew about it, but I didn't have any sort
Speaker 1: of deep knowledge of it. And that was something that
Speaker 1: really surprised me with this series. Uh that one, that
Speaker 1: one spooked me out a little bit. But I think
Speaker 1: sometimes people see something they might not say in the moment, oh,
Speaker 1: that was a goat man. But then they do exactly
Speaker 1: what you do. Is they they research, they look, they
Speaker 1: they try to find similarities to what they saw, and
Speaker 1: they come to the clusion it must have been it
Speaker 1: must have been that, you know. Uh, Gil Sanchez is
Speaker 1: the there's a police officer in the first episode that
Speaker 1: that believe he hit. He ran right over this goat man,
Speaker 1: he thought, erecked his entire cruiser. Can't find any any
Speaker 1: evidence of of anything, you know, any sort of collision
Speaker 1: or anything. But he he saw sees this thing. Then
Speaker 1: he connected it to these old these old mines in
Speaker 1: New Mexico is where he felt like that history was.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there is there are these sort of very
Speaker 1: strange connections and similarities from one encounter to the next
Speaker 1: that kind of make it feel undeniable. That's something peculiar
Speaker 1: isom and running around.
Speaker 2: That area this is we were on our way to
Speaker 2: a different event and I was at one of those
Speaker 2: BUCkies I'm not sure if you're familiar what to BUCkies is,
Speaker 2: but the big ol' someone came up to me because
Speaker 2: I was wearing a shirt that had like a big
Speaker 2: foot on it, and he just started talking to me
Speaker 2: because I'm heard a big foot shirt of all things
Speaker 2: that brought this guy up and I told him about
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I just I do a podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm actually on my way to a bigfoot convention. And
Speaker 2: then he just did straight looked me in the eye
Speaker 2: and said, so you're into this type of stuff. I
Speaker 2: said yeah. He's like, what is something that kind of
Speaker 2: looks like a deer has like deer looking legs, but
Speaker 2: it almost had like the body of a pig. I
Speaker 2: was like, what, it's like, I don't and then he
Speaker 2: proceeded to tell me that when a couple of years
Speaker 2: ago he was driving a truck at night and he
Speaker 2: said he swore like a big hog come running out
Speaker 2: across the road, but it was on deer legs. I
Speaker 2: was like, I've never heard of that before, so I don't.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you anything. I was like, it was
Speaker 2: just just random random guys saw me wearing a big
Speaker 2: foot shirt, so he come over. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you could have been making the whole thing up. Maybe,
Speaker 2: I was like, but the chances are like, why would
Speaker 2: you just randomly make that up for no reason?
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think yeah. I think it's one of the more
Speaker 1: unique things about like just where we are in the
Speaker 1: specific time with these stories is that there's just a
Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of people wearing big foot
Speaker 1: shirts around. There's a lot more acceptance about these types
Speaker 1: of stories and encounters in there there ever has been before.
Speaker 1: And you know, some of the stuff that was really
Speaker 1: fun of the series was to go you know where
Speaker 1: you know, part of the castle is obviously just going
Speaker 1: and talking to people and you know, chatting with someone
Speaker 1: like you and Sam I had that you should talk
Speaker 1: to this person. A lot is word of mouth is
Speaker 1: really how how the whole process happened. But something of
Speaker 1: a lot of it was just trying to find really
Speaker 1: famous stories, you know, and and then trying to see
Speaker 1: if there was somebody who could take us right to that.
Speaker 1: And the Mothman it was a story you know, like
Speaker 1: Christina Bennett, the Bennett Family, which the Mothman feature Faimily
Speaker 1: Rich brigheers build up based on their family experience, and man,
Speaker 1: that was awesome getting sit down with her and talking
Speaker 1: about I mean, she was only four years old when
Speaker 1: it happened, but uh, that first person perspective on these
Speaker 1: very famous stories, which I have some familiarity with, but
Speaker 1: then hearing somebody specifically, you know, that was uniquely tied
Speaker 1: to it was really fascinating. Or like Geraldine stiff with
Speaker 1: like the the Kelly you know, the Hopkinsville green Men,
Speaker 1: you know, and she's amazing storyteller, truly amazing storyteller. But
Speaker 1: that that that story isn't is crazy. You know. It's
Speaker 1: just a really really wild story that not only have
Speaker 1: stuck with sort of those people, but have up with
Speaker 1: that family for generations, you know, in terms of like
Speaker 1: how that sort of continues. So I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: been It's been a very eye opening experience during that show.
Speaker 1: There's there's no doubt.
Speaker 2: So I had Geraldine on the show was back in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, but I was actually at Goblin Con
Speaker 2: with her this past year. She asked me if I
Speaker 2: wanted to be down there for that. So the first great, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love Geraldine. She's a great coal, but that when
Speaker 2: you were talking, that was the first thing I thought.
Speaker 2: I was like, I wonder if you've actually talked to Geraldine,
Speaker 2: because I was like, the Hopkinsville story, the Kelly Greenman
Speaker 2: is one of those stories that I think would have
Speaker 2: been great to have included in there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's in there, It's in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was sort of we heard about the
Speaker 1: story and then we're like, Okay, let's see who's you know,
Speaker 1: if there's anyone that can that can tell us about it.
Speaker 1: And so when you found Geraldine, Yeah, she was an
Speaker 1: awesome storyteller. I mean I could have listened her talk
Speaker 1: about this stuff forever. She's a hoot, real sweet lady.
Speaker 2: Yeah. There her and a couple of other people that
Speaker 2: I've met from like the You've mentioned the Judge and
Speaker 2: most of us refer to him as the Judge.
Speaker 1: As Shane, but like the Judge yet the Judge to.
Speaker 2: Be one hundred percent honest. He is the first podcast
Speaker 2: story that I had ever heard, because I didn't know
Speaker 2: anything about podcasting, and I come across the show and
Speaker 2: the first episode that I hit play on was his
Speaker 2: interview on a different podcast, and I never heard anyone
Speaker 2: else talk about a dog man before. And this guy
Speaker 2: is a judge. And this was back in like twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: So this is like when I first started researching how
Speaker 2: to do a podcast because I didn't know anything about podcasting,
Speaker 2: and I thought I had a great idea. I'm going
Speaker 2: to talk about cryptids and aliens and all sorts of
Speaker 2: stuff that no one's doing, and little.
Speaker 1: That I know that there's a couple.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I thought I had a great idea and
Speaker 2: come to find out that wasn't really all that original.
Speaker 2: But I still do it anyways. And but no, his
Speaker 2: I've never actually spoken with him. I've always wanted to,
Speaker 2: but like, his story is all stuck with me because
Speaker 2: it's like the first one I actually heard on a podcast.
Speaker 2: So anytime someone mentions the judge, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's kind of while I'm sitting here.
Speaker 1: That was the beginning. That was the beginning for Change's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his story, you know, the way he tells it, it's
Speaker 1: just so visual. It's just so visual and you can
Speaker 1: just imagine it so clearly, you know, And the way
Speaker 1: we approach these stories. Obviously we'd filmed this and done
Speaker 1: interview and then we sort of storyboard out these these
Speaker 1: these recreations, and then we'd use a little we obviously
Speaker 1: do use you know, AI technology to sort of just
Speaker 1: visualize the creatures. But filming his his recreation was was
Speaker 1: really fun. I mean, we we I call it, we
Speaker 1: darked out with that one. That's just like getting into
Speaker 1: a cornfield. And then we hired this actor. He did
Speaker 1: just an awesome job. And but yeah, you kind of
Speaker 1: like you want the idea is that you're trying to
Speaker 1: get the audience to sort of just like relive it.
Speaker 1: But it's it's his. The way he tells his story
Speaker 1: is really fascinating and very captivating and very so I
Speaker 1: can see why that stuck out to you. I was like,
Speaker 1: and really has stuck with you through the years for sure.
Speaker 2: I said, I wasn't familiar with podcast. I heard of
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan. I watched some of his stuff on like YouTube,
Speaker 2: especially when he interviewed a I can't even think of
Speaker 2: as Bob Lazar, the guy that spa out it like
Speaker 2: Area fifty one. He said, I've watched his interview, but
Speaker 2: that's what I thought of podcast. And then I was
Speaker 2: in my vehicle. I got tired of listening to music.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna look up podcast stuff. That's
Speaker 2: what I had the idea for starting one. And the
Speaker 2: first podcast I came across was called Sasquatch Chronicles and
Speaker 2: the first episode was with Shane. I was like, I
Speaker 2: was like, so I got hooked instantly after I heard
Speaker 2: his interview. I started binging through these episodes and then
Speaker 2: I was like, yep, I gotta do this now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough because they know people like Shane, you
Speaker 1: know Martin, they said a high bar really do for
Speaker 1: not just like the detail and and and memories that
Speaker 1: they have of their stories, but also just sort of
Speaker 1: like how they present. And you know, that was a
Speaker 1: I actually thought, finding the stories and finding really captivating storytellers,
Speaker 1: first person witnesses, it was gonna be tough, and it
Speaker 1: was not. There's there's yeah, I probably say this too much,
Speaker 1: but it's not like these type of encounters have a type.
Speaker 1: There's no type.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's people that like the judge, It wasn't only
Speaker 1: his radar. You know, he was just a kid when
Speaker 1: that happened, running around He's training for like the Broadweerst
Speaker 1: five Finder or something like that if I remember correctly,
Speaker 1: I've listened to these stories a few times in the
Speaker 1: in the editing phase, and you know, and these these
Speaker 1: things just happened to people unsuspected. You know, there's there's
Speaker 1: no there's no rhyme or reason. Martin story. He was
Speaker 1: out there, he didn't he didn't believe in he didn't
Speaker 1: think about this. It wasn't even something that was crossing
Speaker 1: his mind. He was He's just thinking turkey and dinner
Speaker 1: is all he was thinking of a break. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: they set a high bar for the type of stories
Speaker 1: that we were going after. But yeah, they're awesome.
Speaker 2: I think the most the most credible stories you hear
Speaker 2: are the people that aren't looking for it. It's the
Speaker 2: random instances of the just so they happen to see
Speaker 2: something that happen to run into something Like when people
Speaker 2: tell me that they've been out hunting these things and
Speaker 2: all this and they have all these encounters all the time,
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, I'm not going to say you're full
Speaker 2: of crap. But at the same time, it's like, there
Speaker 2: are so many people who go out there and do that,
Speaker 2: never see anything. How come you can have all these
Speaker 2: encounters all the time, but all these other people don't
Speaker 2: see anything. And then it's the people that were not
Speaker 2: even wanting to see something that get freaked out by it,
Speaker 2: don't even want to talk about it. I was like,
Speaker 2: that seems to be the ones that stick out the
Speaker 2: most to me because it resonates with me because I
Speaker 2: understand it at the same time, like you don't want
Speaker 2: to talk about it, you don't want to deal with it.
Speaker 2: You're just like, nope, I don't know what that was.
Speaker 2: Don't want to deal with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's in this sort of it's interesting.
Speaker 1: You know the show I did before Mons Request, it
Speaker 1: was on this really wild treasure Hunt and I did
Speaker 1: this this little limited series for Netflix, and and they
Speaker 1: talked to one of the themes that kept coming up
Speaker 1: in that show is cognitive bias. You know, and you
Speaker 1: have basically created a an idea in your head and
Speaker 1: then and then the evidence sort of feeds into that idea,
Speaker 1: right Like it's and I think that's why for me,
Speaker 1: I's similar to you, Brandon, Like I really people's first
Speaker 1: encounter was the most is the most fascinating to me
Speaker 1: because there's no there's there's no they're not looking for anything.
Speaker 1: They're not. There's no there's no there's no cognitive bias,
Speaker 1: there's nothing there that they're sort of setting this. So
Speaker 1: I have this this idea of I'm going in the
Speaker 1: woods looking for for such and such, and I see
Speaker 1: I hear something, and I immediately connected, well is it
Speaker 1: this or is it not? When you're not where you're
Speaker 1: going in the woods just a camp or not do anything,
Speaker 1: you're not thinking about that when you hear a noise,
Speaker 1: just like, well that's an odd noise. You have no
Speaker 1: organizational thing to organize it in your head other than
Speaker 1: after the fat going and trying to figure out, okay,
Speaker 1: what what was that attached to? You know, And you know,
Speaker 1: it reminds me of like last week's episode with with
Speaker 1: Daniel Hamilton and he was a young kid going out,
Speaker 1: you know, just this hunting of his family and he
Speaker 1: heard something and in that moment he probably thought it
Speaker 1: was a bear. But afterwards, you know, he heard Ron
Speaker 1: Moorehead's see our sounds and he's like, oh, no, that's
Speaker 1: what I heard. And I find that fascinating when people
Speaker 1: sort of hear something after the fact, they go looking
Speaker 1: for answers and they go, well, that's that's the same
Speaker 1: sound I heard. But it's so that the people's first encounters,
Speaker 1: I always feel like they're the purest. You know, the
Speaker 1: first time they see something doesn't mean that when they
Speaker 1: see something afterwards they didn't see things. Doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: they didn't see it, but that first time where it
Speaker 1: was like that was odd, that was unexpected, I can't
Speaker 1: explain it, and then you go searching for those answers.
Speaker 1: But yeah, cognitive bias, man, that's a pretty interesting theory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I tend to agree with it because even for
Speaker 2: my if I ever see something again, I feel like
Speaker 2: I've lost the credibility of anything that I've ever said
Speaker 2: because it's so random to see something in the first place.
Speaker 2: And when people are always seeing these things, that's when
Speaker 2: I start to pump the brakes a little bit. I'm
Speaker 2: be like, if you see these things all the time,
Speaker 2: how come there's no evidence that you're seeing it? And
Speaker 2: I've talked to people that claim that they know that
Speaker 2: they can't take photos of them. I was like, how
Speaker 2: does that work? So it's like it gets into like
Speaker 2: a little murky area that I don't try and argue
Speaker 2: with people or prove or does prove anything. But it's like,
Speaker 2: I feel like at this stage of technology where we're
Speaker 2: at in society and with the shows and everything else,
Speaker 2: it's gotten to the point to where it's going to
Speaker 2: take some really definitive proof to bring a lot of
Speaker 2: people over into the believing side that are on the
Speaker 2: fence about it just because the stories are great, but
Speaker 2: there are some I can settle myself. I've seen stuff,
Speaker 2: but I'm still that way too, like I have to
Speaker 2: see some sort of proof to understand what's going on
Speaker 2: out there. And I think that's that's just how it
Speaker 2: is for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: I agree, and I think that AI is only going
Speaker 1: to make it more It's going to make it more
Speaker 1: complicated it has at this stage. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a really great tool for some stuff, but man,
Speaker 1: it's gonna make the credibility and authenticity of an image
Speaker 1: or a photo will just it'll be so much harder now,
Speaker 1: so much more difficult. It's kind of a shame, but
Speaker 1: I think it's just the reality that the evidence evidence
Speaker 1: now will have a higher hill to climb than it
Speaker 1: used to. For sure.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people don't like to say
Speaker 2: this or whatever, but I think it's going to take
Speaker 2: a body. Like there's a lot of people that are
Speaker 2: against like taking a life of something like if there's
Speaker 2: a big foot or anything like that. And people can
Speaker 2: get mad at me, but I said, if a dog
Speaker 2: made ever runs out in front of me, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: run it over because.
Speaker 1: Because that's that's gonna take. But you're right, that is
Speaker 1: that's what science needs. Science needs a body, you know.
Speaker 1: I remember when I was doing that the project in
Speaker 1: the Pall, and we had brought along this guy, awesome
Speaker 1: guy Adam was one of them. He was great. But
Speaker 1: we also brought this guy, Ian Redman, and he was
Speaker 1: he was the number two Daran to Dane Fosse, you know,
Speaker 1: the great great ape researcher back in the day. Was
Speaker 1: he was murdered and when she was murdered, he he
Speaker 1: sort of stepped in, stepped into her she's and we
Speaker 1: were up there and yeah, and I remember asking him.
Speaker 1: We were in the Pall and we're just you know,
Speaker 1: suppicing around, drinking, drinking a little whiskey or something. One night,
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, man, you know, what are you
Speaker 1: thinking and do you think that like something like this
Speaker 1: could really exist up here and he said, well, you know,
Speaker 1: people didn't believe the Great Apes of Varuna were real
Speaker 1: for forever until two British guys saw one, killed them
Speaker 1: and brought back the body. I mean, that's that. That
Speaker 1: is how science moves to recognize these things is so
Speaker 1: you have to have the body, you have to have evidence.
Speaker 1: So I totally agree. I think that will be the
Speaker 1: the piece of evidence that really changes the the narrative
Speaker 1: around some of these creatures.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Adam. I met Adam a couple of years
Speaker 2: ago to one of those bigfoot gatherings, and he's a
Speaker 2: great guy. Our boothe first set up right next to
Speaker 2: each other, so we shot the crap all weekend with
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 1: He's a he's a he's a funny guy. Man. That
Speaker 1: guy cracks crack, cracks me up. He's uh yeah, he's
Speaker 1: almost Sometimes I feel like the most unlikely character to
Speaker 1: go on these big, big expeditions because he is clumsy,
Speaker 1: as you can imagine. It's like got to where you
Speaker 1: survive some of the places you've been in. But he
Speaker 1: is he is awesome. I love Adam. He just he's
Speaker 1: such a hoop. Yeah, good guy av Yeah.
Speaker 2: He messaged me the other day and said he had
Speaker 2: someone I needed to talk to and he has how
Speaker 2: we got in contact. So shout out to Adam Davies
Speaker 2: for hooking us up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Adam, appreciate it. It's a great connector.
Speaker 2: So when it comes to Monster Quest and everything, and
Speaker 2: you deal with like the History Channel, how many episodes
Speaker 2: are there going to be for this season?
Speaker 1: It will be eight episodes. See we did eight eight
Speaker 1: hour episodes, so five stories per episode, so forty stories.
Speaker 2: Altogether, okay, And that was something that they were morning
Speaker 2: was like a minimum five per episode or is that
Speaker 2: just kind of what you guys ended up filming.
Speaker 1: No, that was kind of their sweet spot. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was their sweet spot as far as what they the
Speaker 1: number they wanted per episode. And yeah, they do a
Speaker 1: lot of these sort of I think it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of comes down to people's attention span these days, you know.
Speaker 1: I think people are very used to things moving quickly.
Speaker 1: You know, I tend to, like I tend to over
Speaker 1: the years, I like slower, slower stories that have more detail.
Speaker 1: But I think there's a right format for everything. I
Speaker 1: think this format worked really well. I think early on
Speaker 1: I was at more concerned about our ability to fit
Speaker 1: five stories in. Maybe it's because I sat down and
Speaker 1: talked to each one of these folks for like one
Speaker 1: to two hours each, you know, so I you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh man, how do I cut that into
Speaker 1: a ten ten minutes or so story. It's sort of
Speaker 1: it's hard to but I the way it shook out,
Speaker 1: it really worked. I think it worked really really well.
Speaker 1: Five stories per episode, but each one, I will say this,
Speaker 1: each one of most stories certainly has a lot more details,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's why there's so many different platforms
Speaker 1: for each one of these stories. You know, they're all
Speaker 1: meant for different audiences. The podcasting platform is great, Like
Speaker 1: you guys can get in such detail with these stories
Speaker 1: that you know, we're not necessarily able to you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm on a cable show like that. So it's
Speaker 1: these stories have multiple platforms and multiple reasons, and these
Speaker 1: stories are there's a reason they're re told multiple times
Speaker 1: because they're deserving, for sure. But yeah, five five per
Speaker 1: episode is something that they were hoping we could we
Speaker 1: could hit and you know, when we got in there
Speaker 1: and started the editing process, that worked pretty well.
Speaker 2: That's the one thing with my show that I've struggled
Speaker 2: with when doing my own filming for my documentary is
Speaker 2: I don't edit anything out that like people talk about
Speaker 2: in their encounters. I know some shows like cut clips
Speaker 2: here and they may it all. I leave every thing
Speaker 2: exactly how the person tells it, because I feel like
Speaker 2: if I start to doctor up what they're doing, I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm pushing it towards a specific way. And
Speaker 2: I wanted to be authentic to how the person told
Speaker 2: their encounter. So I don't try and edit anything like that.
Speaker 2: But with my documentary, I don't have time to keep
Speaker 2: someone's attention, so I've had to go in and edit
Speaker 2: some stuff out that wasn't really as needed to be
Speaker 2: in there. And that's what I've struggled with, is like
Speaker 2: how do I go into someone's stuff and edit it
Speaker 2: down because it goes against like my golden rule of
Speaker 2: what I do with my podcast to try and make
Speaker 2: everything fit, because you can't have someone talking for twenty
Speaker 2: straight minutes and then try and keep it all into
Speaker 2: a very small section of a video. So that's that
Speaker 2: I don't envy you for I to sit through all
Speaker 2: these interviews and do that.
Speaker 1: No doubt, the hardest decisions. Those are the hardest decisions
Speaker 1: to make, you know, what goes in and what goes out,
Speaker 1: And you know, I just think, you know, my job
Speaker 1: is to make sure like the whoever's watching is pulled
Speaker 1: along and they want to listen to what's next, and
Speaker 1: they want to listen to what's next, you know, And
Speaker 1: and I feel like people are watching television, watching content,
Speaker 1: not podcast, but that with a finger on the button,
Speaker 1: you know, we're just trying not to want them to
Speaker 1: change the channel. Yeah, but those decisions are the absolute worst.
Speaker 1: They're the worst of the artists. It's like the content
Speaker 1: that ends on the cutting room floor is sometimes real painful.
Speaker 2: Really really, So you went on this expedition and search
Speaker 2: for the YETTI? What about that still stands out? Like
Speaker 2: what did you guys come across when you're out there
Speaker 2: that you think could have been evidence? I know this
Speaker 2: has been years ago.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean we didn't, you know, to be honest,
Speaker 1: like we didn't find we we went out there, we went,
Speaker 1: we brought along this another amazing guy named Yai Yagi
Speaker 1: was like this and was an incredible mountain climber, some
Speaker 1: of the everest multiple times, like and he was out
Speaker 1: climbing this area. And the reason we went targeted the
Speaker 1: area we we did is because he had found a
Speaker 1: print a track that he thought could could belong to
Speaker 1: the Yetti. So that sort of was one of the
Speaker 1: areas made us focus on this specific area in the
Speaker 1: Henleys of Nepal. But you know we yeah, we this
Speaker 1: was before the time of drones, you know. So when
Speaker 1: we had like an aerial platform created with a helium
Speaker 1: balloon with a flair camera at the bottom of it
Speaker 1: that we raised up at this crazy altitude that you know,
Speaker 1: remoted down and Adam had like a little monitor that
Speaker 1: so we could so we could sort of look at
Speaker 1: this area at night and see if any there are
Speaker 1: any heat signatures, you know, roaming around this area. We
Speaker 1: we brought a lot of cool tech and a lot
Speaker 1: of cool people out there, I mean Ian when we
Speaker 1: went down. So Adam and I went up with the
Speaker 1: AGI to this high, high altitude area and then we
Speaker 1: split and so Ian went down to this river area
Speaker 1: which he felt like was likely a more of a
Speaker 1: likely habitat for a creature matching the Yeddi barnable snowman
Speaker 1: er Yeti's description, and they found some some funny things
Speaker 1: they found, some skeletons and stuff and that not. You know,
Speaker 1: we really didn't find any evidence that furthered it, you know,
Speaker 1: but I think that's kind of the state of any expedition,
Speaker 1: you know, sort of you go out there and you
Speaker 1: you try to follow the evidence that sort of has
Speaker 1: come before you to see what else you can find.
Speaker 1: And I think we did that really successfully. But I
Speaker 1: think what I left there with was like a clear
Speaker 1: understanding of of you know, the Rihann said to me
Speaker 1: and Adam too, It's like, here we are in you know,
Speaker 1: a very remote area. You know, if we haven't seen
Speaker 1: this yety, the likelihood that it's seen us as high.
Speaker 1: You know, they've lived there and be able to distinguish
Speaker 1: and to disguise themselves for years. They know the area
Speaker 1: very well. The likelihood we're going to find something like
Speaker 1: that and see it with a creature that knows this
Speaker 1: area way more than I than we do and have
Speaker 1: any generations is so freaking low. But still it planted
Speaker 1: a very very large seed of curiosity. I will say
Speaker 1: in myself, you just understand, like you know that there,
Speaker 1: you know, there are certainly humans have seen a lot
Speaker 1: of our planet. You know, we've seen a lot of places,
Speaker 1: but there are still a lot of places that are
Speaker 1: very remote and untouched where creatures like this can live.
Speaker 1: And there's places, you know, like around the river systems earlier,
Speaker 1: where they can't hide as much and there are a
Speaker 1: larger concentration of sightings. So anyway, it just that that
Speaker 1: trip really just gave me a new perspective, you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of the conditions by which a creature like
Speaker 1: a sasquatch or a YETI could exist for so so
Speaker 1: long and still we don't have we don't have like
Speaker 1: that that proof, but that doesn't mean that doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: And personally that got me pretty excited. You know. I
Speaker 1: like the fact that there are things out there that
Speaker 1: that humans haven't discovered, and I think that makes the
Speaker 1: world way more interesting place to live.
Speaker 2: It'd be very boring if there wasn't some sort of
Speaker 2: mysteries out there still to solve.
Speaker 1: Heck yeah, man, heck yeah. I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2: I think about when you just mentioned, like just think
Speaker 2: about just Canada for example, Like all the northern parts
Speaker 2: of Canada, they're not as populated like Alaska, Like there's
Speaker 2: so many just untapped areas just around here around the
Speaker 2: United States that are vast that we don't even think about.
Speaker 2: Then you have the jungles of Africa and Brazil and
Speaker 2: we do. It's naive to think that we know everything.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I did a series years ago up
Speaker 1: in the called The Last Alaskans. We were up in
Speaker 1: the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge of Alaska. That's a refuge.
Speaker 1: It's literally the size of South Carolina, and six families
Speaker 1: have permits to live there. There are no roads, there
Speaker 1: are no there's nothing, and this remote wild wilderness exists,
Speaker 1: like you said, exists in our world, and I just
Speaker 1: love giving the opportunity to exist in those places is
Speaker 1: pretty thrilling, where it just feels like there's really no
Speaker 1: imprint of humanity and no really difficult ways to access
Speaker 1: it as well. So, yeah, that's a that was a
Speaker 1: pretty special part of the world. But I didn't think
Speaker 1: about this is after de Paul, and I certainly thought
Speaker 1: about what else exists up here outside of grizzlies, for sure.
Speaker 1: When I was in that part of Alaska, I.
Speaker 2: Guess, well, I'm thinking about this. I'll go ahead and
Speaker 2: ask of all, like, how did you get involved with
Speaker 2: making Doctor, like the series and stuff with TV and everything,
Speaker 2: like the stuff that you've been doing. Like how did
Speaker 2: you come about being involved in doing all this? Is
Speaker 2: this something that you want to do as like a
Speaker 2: kid and went to school forward or just kind of
Speaker 2: fell into it?
Speaker 1: No, not really the real this is the real story.
Speaker 1: It kind of kind of fell into it. So I
Speaker 1: was I was going to college. I didn't even know
Speaker 1: what I want to study. I knew I liked like
Speaker 1: creative stuff though, I like creating, and I really wanted
Speaker 1: to travel. And I lived down in Belize for a
Speaker 1: little bit and I was teaching down there. I sort
Speaker 1: of dropped out of college and just went did that
Speaker 1: stuff for a little bit. And I came back and
Speaker 1: wanted to finish my degree but didn't know what to do.
Speaker 1: So I applied to a bunch of art colleges. I was like,
Speaker 1: I wrote down school design was one and the other
Speaker 1: one was Emerson College in Boston, and I this is
Speaker 1: the long answer to your question, so just sick that
Speaker 1: you could. And I went there and they said what
Speaker 1: do you want to what do you want to declare?
Speaker 1: I had a glitter major, and I said, well, I
Speaker 1: temkasa what what's the quickest way I can graduate And
Speaker 1: she said film and TV production or studies like that,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that sounds cool. And so I
Speaker 1: studied and it was a really good fit. You know,
Speaker 1: I think I I only had like another year left
Speaker 1: of my four year degree, and so I did that,
Speaker 1: and then I moved out to l A and I
Speaker 1: first started working. I thought I wanted to do scripteds stuff.
Speaker 1: So I was working at Warner Brothers, just reading scripts,
Speaker 1: and I just hated that culture. Man. I hated just
Speaker 1: like everyone's in a suit every day, everyone's just networking.
Speaker 1: One was hanging out with their friends. And so I
Speaker 1: called a friend of mine he was working in TV.
Speaker 1: I just said, hey, get me, get me in shorts
Speaker 1: and a T shirt. I don't care what I'll do.
Speaker 1: I just want to go do something fun and and
Speaker 1: I'm The first show I did was like this, this
Speaker 1: this like kind of I was a PA, you know,
Speaker 1: on this on this reality cleaning reality show. It was
Speaker 1: pretty nasty. And then when I went to it was
Speaker 1: showing the Cayman Islands. And then my next show, I
Speaker 1: was in the Arctic of Canada working on the ice
Speaker 1: road truckers. You know. It was like a camera out producer,
Speaker 1: and it just it fit. It fit me. But I
Speaker 1: dove into it pretty pretty big. I mean, I like
Speaker 1: lived out of my car for years and I just
Speaker 1: lived on the road. You know. I was just a
Speaker 1: this isn't a technical term, but I was like a
Speaker 1: TV bum, you know. I just I went where the
Speaker 1: adventure was and and I loved putting myself in places
Speaker 1: and situations that I didn't exist, and I was just curious,
Speaker 1: you know, I might I think I had success because
Speaker 1: I just liked talking to people about stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: and sitting in a truck with someone driving up an
Speaker 1: ice road for one four hours straight, you know, staying up.
Speaker 1: Like I liked putting myself through kind of like that suffering.
Speaker 1: And I liked just having I would always say, like
Speaker 1: sort of non disposable conversations, like deep conversations with people fun,
Speaker 1: but also just asking tough conversations. I'm sure you know
Speaker 1: this in your job too. Some of the coolest things
Speaker 1: that I love is I can ask people questions that
Speaker 1: they're best friends would ask them, you know, because I'm
Speaker 1: in their life, and then I'm out of their life
Speaker 1: and I still care about them and I still keep
Speaker 1: in touch with a lot of those folks. But my
Speaker 1: job sort of demands that I ask hard questions in
Speaker 1: a very respectful way. And I loved that. I just
Speaker 1: loved having very real, deep conversations. So yeah, I kind
Speaker 1: of got into it at the right time, you know,
Speaker 1: when a lot of this travel unscripted. I never really
Speaker 1: got into, like the reality. I didn't like that type
Speaker 1: of you know, backbiting, high drama stuff. I like man
Speaker 1: versus mother nature. I liked going to difficult places and
Speaker 1: you know, kind of I mean this literally, but it
Speaker 1: is sort of writing shotgun with people who are living
Speaker 1: really extreme lives. You know, that's working with you know,
Speaker 1: chimps or elephants and remote parts of Africa, or you know,
Speaker 1: living a unique lifestyle in Alaska. So I just kind
Speaker 1: of jumped into it. And and to be honest, like
Speaker 1: I think with anything, I found my community. You know,
Speaker 1: I've I've met all my good friends in that in
Speaker 1: that industry, and and you tend to sort of you
Speaker 1: sort of find your people and then you kind of
Speaker 1: jump from from from adventure to adventure to adventure together.
Speaker 1: And and I was also pretty careful about this stuff
Speaker 1: that I did, and I really wanted to do shows
Speaker 1: that I felt like there was a real story there.
Speaker 1: We weren't gonna have to make up a bunch of
Speaker 1: stuff or fake a bunch of drama. Like I really
Speaker 1: just felt like the real story is enough. And so
Speaker 1: I picked my projects pretty carefully and that served me
Speaker 1: really really well, but really just finding out the right
Speaker 1: people and I just dove right into it so that
Speaker 1: I was a real long winded no, you're long, long
Speaker 1: winded answer to your question.
Speaker 2: No, you're good. I've always been curious, Like as a kid,
Speaker 2: one of the things I wanted to do when I
Speaker 2: grew up was always I wanted to make movies. So
Speaker 2: I used to get on our video camera and i'd
Speaker 2: video things and I'd make this little stop motion stuff
Speaker 2: with my g I Joe's or some stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But as I got older, I got into the music.
Speaker 2: And then now I have a full time job. I'm
Speaker 2: in charge of construction projects, highway projects, but at night
Speaker 2: I moonlight as a podcaster. So but uh, it's just
Speaker 2: one of those things, like I've always found it fascinating
Speaker 2: when it comes to like making art, maget music, making shows.
Speaker 2: To me, it's like you're creating something like you said,
Speaker 2: it's like a creative outlet. I think that's why I
Speaker 2: come to the podcast, because I can actually do this
Speaker 2: when I don't have to necessarily rely on a lot
Speaker 2: of other people. It's just my own thing where I
Speaker 2: can come out here and talk to people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. As a kid, I lived like
Speaker 1: a I was always in a creating. I liked sort
Speaker 1: of like the chaos of it. I love the chaos
Speaker 1: of my job, to be honest, and I call it
Speaker 1: chaos is because you know, especially when I was freelancer,
Speaker 1: even now, even the nomadica in the company, I would say,
Speaker 1: what's gonna jump? What's gonna fall from the sky tomorrow?
Speaker 1: You know what random opportunity is is going to fall
Speaker 1: from this guy that's going to send me out halfway
Speaker 1: across the world. It's like there's no predictability, and some
Speaker 1: people really struggle with that, right, Like I think a lot,
Speaker 1: especially having kids, I need a little bit more predictability
Speaker 1: that I have when I was younger, But there's still
Speaker 1: that sort of there's still that piece of unpredictability that
Speaker 1: I really really like that, you know, I think for myself,
Speaker 1: I like living in that chaos. I love living in
Speaker 1: the unpredictability. I love being like, I'm gonna tell stories
Speaker 1: this year, but I don't know where it's gonna take me.
Speaker 1: I don't know what situation is going to boot me
Speaker 1: in front of. And then you got to get them
Speaker 1: and you got to educate yourself as quickly as possible,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's such a cool way to continue
Speaker 1: my education and and learn about things that I literally
Speaker 1: could not have guessed. It could never have anticipated anything
Speaker 1: that these adventures or stories that I would get that
Speaker 1: I get to go tell. And I like that about
Speaker 1: it a lot, the randomness and the chaos of it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's fun. It's fun to create, you know.
Speaker 1: For me, I think the hard part is just you know,
Speaker 1: people I'm should have same with you, Like when people
Speaker 1: tell you tell tell me their story and put their
Speaker 1: trust in me that I'm gonna you know, I'm putting
Speaker 1: it on a big platform. I just want to do
Speaker 1: the justice, you know, And that really is like what
Speaker 1: drives me. It's uh, if my if my mother was
Speaker 1: on this podcast so that she said, it's your guilt,
Speaker 1: your guilt is what drives you. But I think it
Speaker 1: is It's like I really do have this sort of
Speaker 1: like sense of of the kind way of putting his responsibility.
Speaker 1: But I like the fear side of me, Like I
Speaker 1: just want to take and tell these stories as best
Speaker 1: as I can, whether that's like a SoundBite or a
Speaker 1: visual or whatever that is. It is just try to
Speaker 1: like do that person story justice. And when every one
Speaker 1: of these episodes air, like every time Friday night comes,
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there waiting for the emails that come back.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I hope they liked I really truly that
Speaker 1: is like my my level of anxiety. But yeah, I've
Speaker 1: always loved creative stuff. I love music growing up too,
Speaker 1: just like you. I never got it was never in
Speaker 1: a banner aything that, but I just I always wanted
Speaker 1: to pursue something that felt creative. I think the challenge
Speaker 1: is always like how do you make that a business?
Speaker 1: You know? The business of creativity, I think is really tricky.
Speaker 1: You know. It's just like it's once you add that
Speaker 1: that aspect into it, it inevitably changes it, you know,
Speaker 1: it changes having to figure out how you monetize that creativity.
Speaker 1: I remember I worked as like a I used to
Speaker 1: do like blown glass back in the day. I mean
Speaker 1: growing up in the Northwest, it's like a big thing
Speaker 1: out here is like you know, it's making those things.
Speaker 1: So I remember I did a class with this guy
Speaker 1: and I and part of the class was like you
Speaker 1: had to make like a I made like a really tall,
Speaker 1: long vase and he's like, I like that. Now the
Speaker 1: trick is how do I make a hundred of those?
Speaker 1: And I was like, ah, that doesn't sound fun, man,
Speaker 1: I want to put this one aside and make a
Speaker 1: new one. But that is like the business of creativity,
Speaker 1: which is sort of like that, that repetition. And I
Speaker 1: think that that's a I think for anyone who has
Speaker 1: creative endeavors, that's a really tricky thing to figure out.
Speaker 1: Is the business behind creating and change.
Speaker 2: And it's the other thing is to keep maybe for me,
Speaker 2: but like it's to keep the interest of my own self,
Speaker 2: but also so the people that are involved, whether they
Speaker 2: want to come on the show, the people that want
Speaker 2: to listen to this stuff, Like you, I have to
Speaker 2: find the things interesting to keep my own fascination going.
Speaker 2: And with you travel around doing like it has to
Speaker 2: be something you would have to be interested in. You
Speaker 2: wouldn't go and do something that you've already said, like
Speaker 2: you're not gonna go to like DOUP reality TV of
Speaker 2: the drama and stuff like that, it's something that you
Speaker 2: would enjoy. You have to enjoy what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. I think I I can probably convince myself
Speaker 1: to be pretty excited or curious about most things. You
Speaker 1: can find some sort of justification for it, but you're
Speaker 1: right like it. And but I think that that's kind
Speaker 1: of a mindset of just realizing that, like there's something
Speaker 1: interesting I think in everything for me, but you come
Speaker 1: down you got to find it. Like the surface levels
Speaker 1: like that's not interesting to me, but there's always something there.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the part of storytelling I really
Speaker 1: like is sometimes what's like on the surface is what
Speaker 1: most people tell them. I'm gonna tell the surface of
Speaker 1: the story, that's the obvious story. But I think what
Speaker 1: I find interesting in terms of what I do is
Speaker 1: like is like in this why like most of my
Speaker 1: interviews I do were like hours and hours and hours
Speaker 1: and hours long, because that you wear people down, you
Speaker 1: find the part of their story or the part of
Speaker 1: an adventure that I think is interesting. And so that's
Speaker 1: what I kind of always like It's almost like the
Speaker 1: search for that little nugget is what is curious to me.
Speaker 1: That's what that's what I kind of get get excited about.
Speaker 1: But you're right if if I can't just I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be if I'm just doing something for like a paycheck
Speaker 1: or something. Sometimes I wish I was that guy, because
Speaker 1: it'd be be a little bit easier to operate that way.
Speaker 1: But I always feel that there has to be something else, uh,
Speaker 1: something else there that that that that speaks to me,
Speaker 1: and that to your point, that's when I feel like
Speaker 1: I actually do a good job, you know, And I
Speaker 1: have like that self. I'm invested in that way.
Speaker 2: So I I feel like when I do my show
Speaker 2: for me, it's the people are trusting me to enough
Speaker 2: to come on here talk about things that you can't
Speaker 2: usually talk about with people. So I feel like it's
Speaker 2: my response ability to not alter what they're saying, not
Speaker 2: do a whole like I present it as this is
Speaker 2: their word. Now I've said this on other episodes. Anyone
Speaker 2: list is not. I'm not saying that everything that someone
Speaker 2: comes on here and tells me is one hundred percent factual,
Speaker 2: but I think they believe what they're telling me. So
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that I don't believe them, but it
Speaker 2: also means, like we talked about it, it could be
Speaker 2: a mistaken identity. You may not have seen what you
Speaker 2: think you saw. You may not have experience with you,
Speaker 2: but you saw something. So it's yeah, I wasn't there,
Speaker 2: I didn't see it. So who am I to say
Speaker 2: that you didn't see what you said you saw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's kind of like it's it's way
Speaker 1: more interesting to buy in than it is to to not.
Speaker 1: You know, It's like if I go to a if
Speaker 1: I did go to an interview, like I don't know
Speaker 1: if I believe this one, I'm not going to do
Speaker 1: a good job either, you know. Like for me, like
Speaker 1: I go in in with I am I'm hooked. And
Speaker 1: it's not false, Like it's not I'm not faking it
Speaker 1: at all. Like I really go and just I think,
Speaker 1: like you're saying, to these conversations, I'm super curious. I
Speaker 1: really want to hear what people say and I and
Speaker 1: I'm not having the conversation in my head going do
Speaker 1: I believe this or not? That question is not in
Speaker 1: my head. It is not the point of it. It's
Speaker 1: not what I'm after. It's not why I'm having the conversation.
Speaker 1: And I think that I think that puts people at ease.
Speaker 1: I think you can read that on people's faces, you know.
Speaker 1: And I'm for me, I'm always trying to I always
Speaker 1: truly am like leaning in like I get out of
Speaker 1: that and I feel exhausted after an interview. I'm sure
Speaker 1: people will talk to me. I feel exhausted too, because
Speaker 1: I'm just I am I'm hooked, like I'm just really
Speaker 1: I'm I'm obsessed with their story. I remember went to
Speaker 1: the to Nepaul like and Adam like seeing you a
Speaker 1: hard time about this, but like I went to the Paul.
Speaker 1: I remember, I turned to my crew. I was convinced
Speaker 1: we were going to cap we were going to capture visually.
Speaker 1: Yetie like that. That's That's how I wanted to go
Speaker 1: into that experience, convinced that what we had put together
Speaker 1: was going to come back with some evidence. I remember
Speaker 1: I looked at my crew and I was like, everyone's
Speaker 1: in charge of getting the shot. You know, just because
Speaker 1: you're not Adam or Ian or Yagihara and you're not
Speaker 1: on camera, your job is to keep an eye out
Speaker 1: as well. Your job is to look around and see
Speaker 1: what we see because we're in a really unique area.
Speaker 1: This is a really unique opportunity, and I think we
Speaker 1: set this up really well. And I was bought in,
Speaker 1: you know, that was that That's what made it exciting
Speaker 1: for me and believe that this was really going to
Speaker 1: like net something. So yeah, I'm I'm, I'm. That's kind
Speaker 1: of like my philosophy with all this stuff is it's
Speaker 1: it's always imbody. I'm always about it. I choose not
Speaker 1: to live with this. Maybe later I'll think skeptically about
Speaker 1: it and sort of ponder it a little bit and
Speaker 1: think about it. But in the moment, I'm just there
Speaker 1: to sort of like receive it and just experience it.
Speaker 1: And I think that's that's it's more fun for me.
Speaker 2: From all your travels and everything that you have done,
Speaker 2: is there been anything you've ever experienced that you can't
Speaker 2: explain as far as like could be paranormal or you
Speaker 2: mentioned you have like seen anything that just makes you
Speaker 2: question anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, Adam took me. I mean, there's definitely been
Speaker 1: stuff on some of my travels that's been odd, that's
Speaker 1: been odd. The one thing that one story I had
Speaker 1: with Adam though, is we were he was coming up
Speaker 1: to It was after we got back from the pond,
Speaker 1: and he was coming back to the Pacific Northwest and
Speaker 1: he was going to he was going to head up
Speaker 1: to this area in the Cascades, this area this guy
Speaker 1: named Donald Lee Wallace used to sort of he's a big,
Speaker 1: bigfoot researcher back in that. I think he lived up
Speaker 1: there for like twenty eight years. And Adam was with
Speaker 1: his daughter. And this guy must have recorded, I mean,
Speaker 1: just had piles of tapes, just cold cassette tapes. And
Speaker 1: I just pictured him like having those old cassette recorders
Speaker 1: and he would just record the sounds of the Cascades,
Speaker 1: you know, just thinking what is he recording? Is here
Speaker 1: recording the sounds of sasquatch? And so we went back
Speaker 1: up there and he took me up there and moved
Speaker 1: to the tree and got to that tree, and Laurie,
Speaker 1: who was was Donald, had passed this point. But Donald's
Speaker 1: daughter went to this tree and he she's talking, hey,
Speaker 1: big guy, Hey, big guy. Put apples down and some
Speaker 1: chocolate and weird nothing. And I brought a buddy along
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I'm not going to hear
Speaker 1: the end of this. My buddies said, give me, give
Speaker 1: me a hard time about this for the rest of
Speaker 1: my days. And we walk around a little bit and
Speaker 1: we come back and Laurie's like, O, Jared, just why
Speaker 1: he's come over? Just just you and I come over
Speaker 1: this tree and go to this tree and it's kind
Speaker 1: of just right early springs. There's still a little bit
Speaker 1: of snow on the ground. It's like kind of a
Speaker 1: camping area there's but there's nobody else there. And we
Speaker 1: go to this area and she's like, hey, big guy,
Speaker 1: And I heard a growl coming from beneath this tree
Speaker 1: and then like a knocking from underneath this tree. And
Speaker 1: brain went on for hours, like a long, long long time,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, my head, I'm like, it's a bear.
Speaker 1: It's this, you know. I'm just in my head. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of questioning because it's just so bizarre. And
Speaker 1: the areaway had had it was like a thick moss floor.
Speaker 1: There's like as a massy floor basically. And I walked
Speaker 1: around that area for a long time looking for some
Speaker 1: entryway in, but I kind of figured it out, and
Speaker 1: I had a little recorder with me and you can
Speaker 1: if you if you have the lay headphones on, you
Speaker 1: can hear the growl. And I think about it a lot,
Speaker 1: like I think about that a lot, and I just
Speaker 1: could not explain it. And since it was the same
Speaker 1: place RI had come back for years and years and
Speaker 1: years and years, and she said, oh, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: the tree that this this asquatch like lives underneath this tree.
Speaker 1: And I heard it. I can't explain it. Even my
Speaker 1: buddy that went out there, inevitably, he's a dentist. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna see him tomorrow and I guarantee you tomorrow morning,
Speaker 1: this is what he brings up with me. I guarantee it.
Speaker 1: It is like it is it is. It is like
Speaker 1: the constant source of communication, constant, constant source of conversation
Speaker 1: between us is going back to this event with Adam
Speaker 1: and the cascades. And I can't explain it. I I
Speaker 1: find that the other the other things that I've seen,
Speaker 1: I have a terrible memory, have a terrible memory. So
Speaker 1: sometimes I will think, I, like have a memory, and
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't know if other people go through this,
Speaker 1: but I can't sometimes like did I am I just
Speaker 1: imagining that this happened or did this really happen? That one,
Speaker 1: mostly because there's other people there that was a that
Speaker 1: was an event I cannot I cannot explain, but it
Speaker 1: was cool. I'm really glad it happened. It was it
Speaker 1: was awesome.
Speaker 2: Those things stick with you, the things that you can't explain,
Speaker 2: especially like you said, other people there that witnessed it too,
Speaker 2: like it reassures you that you did hear something.
Speaker 1: Did hear something? Yeah? Absolutely, And you know I was
Speaker 1: on podcast with Adam Middy and sometimes similar questions. He said, oh,
Speaker 1: what a about the moment up in the Cascades. I
Speaker 1: was like, of course, of course that moment, Yes, that
Speaker 1: is a that is a weird, odd, odd moment. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's hearing these stories makes you pay attention, you know,
Speaker 1: it really really does. I live on like five acres
Speaker 1: out here and in the Northwest, and ever I'm walking
Speaker 1: around my property night with my dog taking her out
Speaker 1: or something, or going to check on the chickens, closing
Speaker 1: the chicken coope. Man, I will tell you these stories,
Speaker 1: especially for the first the first couple of months after
Speaker 1: I did all my interviews, it was I could not
Speaker 1: not think about that. I could not walk out of
Speaker 1: my house into dark and not ponder his dog man
Speaker 1: out here, his sask here is something from the sky
Speaker 1: about to come down? And like, you know, shy, I
Speaker 1: just in my I had to almost say, like Jared,
Speaker 1: chill out, like this time, you've never seen anything on
Speaker 1: the property here, But it's a you know, I kind
Speaker 1: of like accepted the fact that I knew that was
Speaker 1: going to happen to me. I knew that these stories,
Speaker 1: not just because I hadn't experienced what they have, but
Speaker 1: they've really stuck to me, and they have like literally
Speaker 1: changed the way that I operate when I'm in the
Speaker 1: dark and what I'm looking for and what I'm listening to.
Speaker 1: And it kind of goes back to cognitive bias, you know,
Speaker 1: even not consciously, unconsciously, I am like looking and seeking
Speaker 1: and listening for the unexpected, and it's just just changed
Speaker 1: the way I operate.
Speaker 2: Yep. Funny story, h When we first moved out, you
Speaker 2: mentioned chickens. We had chickens. We don't anymore because mysteriously
Speaker 2: something kept getting in there and eating them. Innut. It
Speaker 2: wasn't a big foot or a dog man. It was
Speaker 2: a raccoon, an Apostle.
Speaker 1: But oh yeah, they're a great nenemesis, aren't they. That's right, Coo.
Speaker 2: When we first moved in, we have goats too. And
Speaker 2: one of the first nights, I went out there, and
Speaker 2: it's pitch black, and I wanted to go out there
Speaker 2: and make sure the goats went to their barn. And
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about goats, so it's pitch black.
Speaker 2: I'm already looking around because there's corn standing up and
Speaker 2: everything else, because again I've had my own experience to
Speaker 2: where I'm I know what's out there, or at least
Speaker 2: I think I might know what's out there. And I
Speaker 2: come around to where the goat barn is and the
Speaker 2: moon is shining, and there's just a silhouette and it's
Speaker 2: the whole Boffamet shape. It's the goats with the antlers,
Speaker 2: like the horns and everything, and it's standing up against
Speaker 2: a tree eating the bark. But the way I see it,
Speaker 2: it's on its back legs and it's standing up like
Speaker 2: a person. And I instantly was like, the fear hits
Speaker 2: you because you're just like, oh, oh, I just and
Speaker 2: then I realized it's just the goat eating the bark,
Speaker 2: but like that you're just not expecting to go out
Speaker 2: there and see it on its hind legs and then
Speaker 2: the silhouette of the horns sticking up and everything else.
Speaker 2: I was like, what kind of a house did we
Speaker 2: just buy? Because apparently the devil's in the backyard.
Speaker 1: That's right. Oh, that's fascinating. So I want to ask you,
Speaker 1: like you're the encounter that you had, did it make
Speaker 1: you want to stay in that area more? So?
Speaker 2: I grew up here. This is where I live now
Speaker 2: is probably just three miles from where I grew up
Speaker 2: in majority of like my parents still live down there,
Speaker 2: my grandparents live down there, and I got a bunch
Speaker 2: of aunt and uncles. They all lived in this area.
Speaker 2: And this thing happened to me about two miles up
Speaker 2: the road from where we live, and now I live
Speaker 2: just a couple of miles from there, so I actually
Speaker 2: drive down that road all the time, and my older
Speaker 2: kids will ask me what am I going to do
Speaker 2: if I ever see it again? I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: on trump the gas. So it's for the longest time.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I've tried to write it off as
Speaker 2: it was just something explainable, But if you have time,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you off air the whole thing, because there's
Speaker 2: a lot to it. It makes no sense, and I don't
Speaker 2: want to bore the audience with it. But there's just
Speaker 2: so much too that makes absolutely no sense that I don't.
Speaker 2: I struggle to accept my own but I struggle to
Speaker 2: accept what I saw because there's absolutely no reason why
Speaker 2: they should exist. So it's just one of those things that,
Speaker 2: like it haunts you because I can't explain. And I'm
Speaker 2: someone that's like very science based. So I was, like,
Speaker 2: there's no biological explanation of how a canine can walk
Speaker 2: like a human, Like there's no evolutionary line for that,
Speaker 2: at least not that I'm aware of. Like I could
Speaker 2: understand Bigfoot as a primate, but how do you explain
Speaker 2: that about a canine. So that's where I just struggle
Speaker 2: with it, because there's no right, there's no way this
Speaker 2: would have it should have existed.
Speaker 1: So I've heard that before, Brandon. You know you're not
Speaker 1: You're not alone. That's that's what makes it stick with
Speaker 1: you because it's sort of you know, you call it
Speaker 1: a paradigm shift or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1: It changes, you know, we all sort of our brains
Speaker 1: we have this, especially human beings. We have our brains
Speaker 1: live in certain types of order and construct and that's
Speaker 1: how we survive in the world. Right, you have a
Speaker 1: certain a line of knowns any animal, Right, it creates
Speaker 1: your patterns of activity, your expectations we're safe and not safe,
Speaker 1: something that happens. The reason I think it sticks with
Speaker 1: us so much is because it challenges that system by
Speaker 1: which you've been how you've been operating your entire life,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's it's probably the source of your
Speaker 1: kid's question too, Hey, if you see this again, what
Speaker 1: are you going to do? Because it's a whole new
Speaker 1: It's something completely new. But that's I think that's what
Speaker 1: makes life interesting. And I think sometimes some people obviously
Speaker 1: have some terrible things. But when I would say, as
Speaker 1: long as I survive it, get through it, I really
Speaker 1: love it. You know. I look back and I appreciate
Speaker 1: those experiences because I think they change who I am,
Speaker 1: you know. And obviously I'm not talking about just like
Speaker 1: encounters are the unexpected, but anything that sort of like
Speaker 1: changes your perspective or reality on the world. As long
Speaker 1: as you get through it, well as I get through it,
Speaker 1: I'm like totally for it, you know, because it just
Speaker 1: makes it, well, it makes my existence that much more interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, because most people that I've talked to
Speaker 2: that have had encounters like this, they're not out trying
Speaker 2: to find it again. And here I am out trying
Speaker 2: to run off in the woods chase after these things.
Speaker 2: So we've been going on for about an hour, so
Speaker 2: we can probably get ready to wrap this one up.
Speaker 2: But I was going to ask, is there anything else
Speaker 2: you would like to discuss beforehand? Because I know with
Speaker 2: Monster Quest Aaron, right now, what is on the horizon
Speaker 2: for you and your company after Monster Quest?
Speaker 1: Well, recently hoping to do more episodes, you know, if
Speaker 1: if History Channel is up for it, we love to
Speaker 1: do more. We had just a blast putting the season together.
Speaker 1: It was really fun And if anything I've learned doing
Speaker 1: during this season is there's a lot more stories out
Speaker 1: there that I would be really excited to tell and
Speaker 1: and give this sort of platform too. And other than that,
Speaker 1: you know, we're we're always developing, and I was just say,
Speaker 1: like staying curious, you know, looking we're playing around with
Speaker 1: some limited series. You know, I find that whenever I
Speaker 1: do a show, it becomes a new part of my life.
Speaker 1: So you know, I did that Treasure show. There's some
Speaker 1: cool treasure stories out there that we're sort of searching
Speaker 1: looking at some more. So it's anytime I do one show,
Speaker 1: I feel like it just is like a gateway into
Speaker 1: some more of that other stuff because I just, you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of want to tell more stories like it.
Speaker 1: But you know, so it's following a little bit of
Speaker 1: the stuff that's that we've done historically and then trying
Speaker 1: to find some new things to dig into as well.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I said, it's the greatest part about
Speaker 1: my job is that it's it's chaos and I can
Speaker 1: never really predict where it's going to take me going
Speaker 1: to take me next, So I'll be excited to find out.
Speaker 1: But I'll let you know.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it well, Jared, it has been a pleasure
Speaker 2: talking to you. I hope not but success for you
Speaker 2: and a monster question your company and your next endeavor.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, friend, Really appreciate it.
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