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Speaker 2: Well, hello everyone, it's Heidi Ganal. I have not been
Speaker 2: in this chair for a while. It's so good to
Speaker 2: be back. Ryan. It's great to hang out with you again.
Speaker 2: We hung out this morning.
Speaker 3: We're just pals. We're pals, are pals. I know, it's awesome.
Speaker 2: It makes me smile when I see you, even at
Speaker 2: six point thirty in the morning. Now, that event was you.
Speaker 4: Need to know that other than Michael Brown, who I
Speaker 4: wake up and cover his show for because I get
Speaker 4: paid to do it, I actually showed up to that event,
Speaker 4: not getting paid to do it, but because I wanted.
Speaker 3: To be there. Heidi, That's how much it meant to me.
Speaker 3: And it takes a lot to get me up that
Speaker 3: early because I'm a night ahul.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you me too, Ashley. Right, So, when Myra
Speaker 2: asked me if I would kind of take over that club,
Speaker 2: it's an amazing club. It's been around for over ten years,
Speaker 2: started as the arapa Ho Men's Breakfast Club, and then
Speaker 2: it became the Arapaho County Republican Breakfast Club and now
Speaker 2: it's the South Metro Republican Breakfast Club. It's super fun.
Speaker 2: We had over one hundred people there this morning. We
Speaker 2: act it was packed and we had Britta Horn come
Speaker 2: in and talk to us about what's going on in
Speaker 2: the party. In our first thirty days, it's been a
Speaker 2: little spicy, lots of action there and just had a
Speaker 2: great time this morning. So anyone who wants to join
Speaker 2: just bought me an email at Heidi at Rockymountain Voice
Speaker 2: dot com and I'll get you the information. But Ryan,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I've been out for a month recovering
Speaker 2: from breast cancer surgery and I'm fine. They caught it early.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be just dandy, so happy to hear
Speaker 3: that news.
Speaker 2: Thank you. But man, it's a brutal surgery, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't do well sitting on the couch for a
Speaker 2: month now.
Speaker 3: We do not imagine.
Speaker 2: I drove my family nuts. I think of my friends.
Speaker 2: But my kids loved it because we got a beautiful
Speaker 2: meal almost every night from those meal trains. People do
Speaker 2: I have the best community around me.
Speaker 3: It's nice.
Speaker 2: But now they're like, where's where's the food? What happened?
Speaker 3: I want to stay on the meal train.
Speaker 2: Yes, let's stay on the meal train. I'm like, you
Speaker 2: guys know, and I'm a terrible cook. I'm married one
Speaker 2: of the best cooks, Jason. I was going to say,
Speaker 2: Jason and GQ, that's some solid stuff, I know, but
Speaker 2: it's not like he wants to come home and cook.
Speaker 4: Hey, I got a big question. Yeah, So I'm going
Speaker 4: to the Rockies game tonight. Looks like solo because nobody.
Speaker 3: Heidi Kelly will go with you in the weather.
Speaker 4: At fifty degrees. But I know that there's GQ in
Speaker 4: the ballpark.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, there is, and they have the best mac
Speaker 2: and cheese with brisket.
Speaker 3: Or pulled pork on it. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: So where in the park is Is it just one location?
Speaker 4: Is it in the upper level because I think I
Speaker 4: remember it being.
Speaker 3: There is No.
Speaker 2: I'm going to fail as a wife, as a Barbara wife.
Speaker 2: I know where it is in my mind. I just
Speaker 2: can't describe it to you.
Speaker 3: Should I just text Jason?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I'll text Jason after the break?
Speaker 3: Yeah, please do.
Speaker 2: He's just about to open another location up in Thornton.
Speaker 2: I believe they're opening next week and he's at all
Speaker 2: the stadiums. I think they're going into the CSU Football Stadium.
Speaker 3: How about you you plug.
Speaker 4: Guess who's catering Kelsey in my wedding. This is Jason Goanall.
Speaker 3: Hello, Ryan. That is so cool. It had to be right,
Speaker 3: It had to be.
Speaker 2: I mean, now, I know you love GQ.
Speaker 4: What that And I gotta tell you we help our own,
Speaker 4: if you know what I mean. Yes, And Kelsey is
Speaker 4: very much on board with that part of it too.
Speaker 3: She's a big fan of yours.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was great to see her this morning.
Speaker 4: I didn't get to talk to you about spicy. She
Speaker 4: was riled up like swow little early for this energy,
Speaker 4: but she had it.
Speaker 2: That's what we intend to do with those breakfast meetings.
Speaker 2: We got to get everybody keyed up, ready to fight,
Speaker 2: ready to get in the game. We've been doing a
Speaker 2: little thing on Twitter in this little community I have
Speaker 2: called Colrad's Road Back to Red and it's grown to
Speaker 2: almost three thousand people in this community. And we do
Speaker 2: fight back in five what's something you can do to
Speaker 2: fight back in just five minutes and we post in there.
Speaker 2: Lots of people post in there all throughout the day. Hey,
Speaker 2: here's you know, a piece of legislation you can write
Speaker 2: an email to in five minutes. Here's something you can
Speaker 2: pop off on social media in five minutes. Here's a
Speaker 2: call you can make in five minutes. It's super easy
Speaker 2: and cool and would love to have you guys join us.
Speaker 2: It's at Heidigenals my Twitter and then you just go
Speaker 2: to my profile and you have to ask to be
Speaker 2: in the community because we don't want any you know,
Speaker 2: far lefty crazies in there. So not that we can tell.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we can tell, Oh yeah, okay, Ryan, yep, I
Speaker 2: told you earlier on your show. As I popped on
Speaker 2: for a few minutes, there was a really cool article
Speaker 2: in the Denver Gazette, And I don't have the actual article.
Speaker 2: I didn't have time to pull it, but I pulled
Speaker 2: a tweet that kind of reviewed it, and it talks
Speaker 2: about how Colorado has changed I think in the last decade.
Speaker 2: I don't know the timeframe, but these stats are shocking,
Speaker 2: Like if every candidate that's going to run for governor,
Speaker 2: US Senate, attorney general, any Republican that's running for anything
Speaker 2: in Colorado should pull up this list and here, here's
Speaker 2: your game. Here's like, here's what you should be talking about.
Speaker 2: Just to give you a little taste. We used to
Speaker 2: be in the top five states for economic performance. We
Speaker 2: are now in the bottom ten. Colorado ranks among the
Speaker 2: least five affordable states for housing in the whole country.
Speaker 2: The state ranks as the sixth most regulated in the US,
Speaker 2: and of course corresponds with slower business growth and innovation.
Speaker 2: It also corresponds which with a Phibbian guy named Jared
Speaker 2: Pulus who says he's very libertarian. How can you be
Speaker 2: libertarian and be running the sixth most regulated state in
Speaker 2: the country. That blew my mind.
Speaker 3: Talk about a Lino, right l O.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 4: I haven't heard that a libertarian name only, But it's
Speaker 4: not even that. After he signed that gun grab bill,
Speaker 4: the most anti libertarian bill ever signed by any governor,
Speaker 4: including Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 3: So no, buddy, you don't get to call yourself libertarian anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think with that bill and if he signs
Speaker 2: or let's go into law thirteen twelve, everybody must know
Speaker 2: about thirteen twelve at this point, but it is the
Speaker 2: most horrible bill that goes after parental rights and is
Speaker 2: terrible for our kids and families, and it just I
Speaker 2: think it lands on the governor's deyt today. I'm so
Speaker 2: curious to see what he's going to do with that.
Speaker 2: What do you think he does?
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I think he punted his entire political career with the
Speaker 4: gun grab bill.
Speaker 3: So what does it matter at this point?
Speaker 4: I don't know what he's trying to prove, or who
Speaker 4: he's trying to impress, or who.
Speaker 3: He thinks he's playing to.
Speaker 4: But this is such a losing battle nationally. And I've
Speaker 4: said this time and again, and I got this information
Speaker 4: from Lori Gimmelstein. By the way, Colorado Parent Advocacy Network,
Speaker 4: they built a little poison pill into thirteen twelve, knowing
Speaker 4: that it could be circumvented, it could be overcome with
Speaker 4: a petitioner initiative on the they made it so you
Speaker 4: can't do that.
Speaker 2: To safety clause.
Speaker 3: There you go, Yes, Why would they have to do that, Heidi?
Speaker 4: If it's such a good bill that's popular with the
Speaker 4: majority of Colorado's.
Speaker 2: I don't know. But it's so devious. This stuff is
Speaker 2: so bad. It's making national news it's putting Colorado on
Speaker 2: the map as now not just an abortion tourism state,
Speaker 2: but a trans tourism state. And oh my gosh, you
Speaker 2: better not have kids in this state. That's how bad
Speaker 2: things are. Which here's another lovely stat along those lines
Speaker 2: since twenty seventeen, from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: sixty five percent increase in abortions in Colorado. We've gone
Speaker 2: from eighty eight hundred and twenty seventeen to over fourteen
Speaker 2: thoy in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: That is terrible.
Speaker 2: Colorado's fallen from a top ten state for in migration
Speaker 2: so people moving into the state, to the bottom ten
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. I mean, the list goes on
Speaker 2: and on. I could sit here and just read this
Speaker 2: and everybody's jaws would drop to the ground hearing what's
Speaker 2: happening to our beautiful stage. So we'll talk more about
Speaker 2: that at four thirty five. I'm going to have my
Speaker 2: good friend Lynn Gerber come on. We met actually in politics,
Speaker 2: but we share a passion for animal rescue, and Lynn
Speaker 2: is one of the most amazing human beings. She has
Speaker 2: saved so many dogs, so many dogs. I think she
Speaker 2: has five of her own at her home, but she
Speaker 2: does amazing work and she holds the people's feet to
Speaker 2: the fire that run animal rescue, like legislation and oversight
Speaker 2: in Colorado. I'm going to tease it with a couple
Speaker 2: stats that are going to blow you away. In twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four alone, Colorado euthanized six thousand animals in our shelters,
Speaker 2: and Denver now ranks fifth nationally in sheltered euthanasia rates.
Speaker 2: We've got a big problem here, and it's political too.
Speaker 2: It has a lot to do with Jared Pois and
Speaker 2: his partner Marlon Reis, who's very involved in the animal
Speaker 2: rescue community here in Colorado. So that's after the four
Speaker 2: thirty break, and then at five point thirty, I'm bringing
Speaker 2: on Lacey Williams, who's on our Rocky Mountain Voice team.
Speaker 3: She is a rock star.
Speaker 2: She worked with Turning Point for several years and now
Speaker 2: she works at Rocky Mountain Voice doing our social media
Speaker 2: and as part of our content team with Tory, my daughter,
Speaker 2: and Jen, our editor. And she also is one of
Speaker 2: the heads of Colorada Young Republicans. So you think Turning
Speaker 2: Point is high school and college and then colorda Young
Speaker 2: Republicans is post college, the young folks, the gen Zers,
Speaker 2: and they have opened fourteen chapters around the state of
Speaker 2: Colorado and they are making huge strides. So we're going
Speaker 2: to have Lacey on to talk about gen Z and
Speaker 2: Colorado and young conservative young conservatives here and how we
Speaker 2: actually continue to pull them over to our side.
Speaker 4: I think that's so important too, Heidi, because I actually
Speaker 4: had one come up to me today, David Proctor, a
Speaker 4: really interesting.
Speaker 3: Young man, and he has a mind for it. I
Speaker 3: think the same way.
Speaker 4: That Lacey does of how do we connect with the
Speaker 4: this younger generation that so many of them based on
Speaker 4: their experiences and Britta talked about this at the breakfast today,
Speaker 4: going through COVID being locked down, they have a tendency
Speaker 4: to want to break free from government control and oppression
Speaker 4: and where does that lead them the Republican Party. We
Speaker 4: just got to connect those dots and get them to
Speaker 4: turn out to vote.
Speaker 2: That's right, right. I'm so excited about that part of
Speaker 2: our movement. It's what I'm getting more and more passionate
Speaker 2: about it. I'm helping launch Turning Point chapters at high
Speaker 2: schools across the state. We launched one at my daughter's
Speaker 2: high school at Valor Christian. A couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 2: we had Derek Wolf speak and Danielle Jorinski. We're going
Speaker 2: to do this all over Colorado and we're going to
Speaker 2: take back Colorado through our youth. So I know we've
Speaker 2: got to go to break. This is Hidi Ganal filling
Speaker 2: in for Dan Kaplis. He'll be back tomorrow. We'll be
Speaker 2: back right after this to talk more about all the things.
Speaker 3: And now back to the Dan Kapla Show Podcast.
Speaker 2: Eight Afternoons slash Evening. This is Heidi Ganal filling in
Speaker 2: for Day and Kaplis, and it looks like I'll be
Speaker 2: filling it again tomorrow. I'm very excited about that, right.
Speaker 3: I love how I broke that news for you, ting
Speaker 3: to break.
Speaker 2: Hey, that's good news. Dan is doing the good work,
Speaker 2: keeping us safe, putting bad guys where they need to go,
Speaker 2: protecting people's livelihoods. So we need to let him do that.
Speaker 2: He does it very well.
Speaker 4: And it's just one more day, he says, one more day.
Speaker 4: He's telling us he'll be back on Friday. But this
Speaker 4: feels a lot like Wimpy in the Popeye cartoons who
Speaker 4: said I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a Hamburger Today.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that I believe that Dan'll be here
Speaker 4: on Friday.
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 2: Well, I have my thirteen year old's party with twelve
Speaker 2: other thirteen year old girls at my house on Friday,
Speaker 2: so I'm probably not going to be available, although I
Speaker 2: know probably prefer to be doing that. They're all the radio.
Speaker 2: Something just broke that's really cool. And after just having
Speaker 2: gone through a six month stint with breast cancer and
Speaker 2: the healthcare system and the ups and downs and trying
Speaker 2: to figure out what to believe and who to trust
Speaker 2: about what the treatment best for me was, I'm a
Speaker 2: big believer in the MAHA movement, the Make America Healthy
Speaker 2: Again movement, and I just found out that Trump has
Speaker 2: nominated doctor Casey Means for Surgeon General and all nice. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's like the godmother of the MAHA movement.
Speaker 3: Great great interview with.
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson if you want to get to know her.
Speaker 2: And I believe it's her brother who were Stanford trained
Speaker 2: physicians surgeons and went through kind of an awakening about
Speaker 2: what was happening because of their mom's health. And man, Ryan,
Speaker 2: I have to tell you it's been a real eye
Speaker 2: opening experience for me. I probably got five different opinions
Speaker 2: from five different doctors about how to treat a very
Speaker 2: early caught breast cancer. And then I went to functional medicine,
Speaker 2: which is kind of an alternative or natural medicine, and
Speaker 2: it's a whole different perspective and you've got to really
Speaker 2: navigate that yourself, and you don't know who to trust.
Speaker 2: So if there's anything she could do along with RFK
Speaker 2: Junior to bring back a level of trust in the science,
Speaker 2: in our in our healthcare system, in pharmaceuticals, et cetera,
Speaker 2: I think that would go a long way and be
Speaker 2: a very successful mark that Trump could put on his presidency.
Speaker 4: I just love this kind of extra dimension that has
Speaker 4: been added to what is our movement? Which how do
Speaker 4: you done such a yeoman's work in advancing not only
Speaker 4: make America great again, but America first traditional conservative values
Speaker 4: based on populist principles.
Speaker 3: And now our FK Jr. And this is where you know, you.
Speaker 4: Got to wait things out sometimes in politics. And I
Speaker 4: got really upset with Sean Hannity who turned on RFK
Speaker 4: Junior when it looked like RFK Junior might be doing
Speaker 4: more harm to Trump than to Biden in a potential race. Well,
Speaker 4: what happened is our FK junior sat down with Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: I think they established that fact. Both said, we don't
Speaker 4: want Biden to win. Let's form an alliance. Let's do
Speaker 4: like the Mega Powers Randy Macho, Mann Savage and Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 4: And they did that on stage. I think it was
Speaker 4: Las Vegas. It was electric. The crowd reacted. I remember
Speaker 4: that the RFK Junior voters came over to our side.
Speaker 4: I think they pushed us over the finish line definitely
Speaker 4: for a national popular vote victory. I think that we
Speaker 4: have them to credit for a large part of that.
Speaker 4: Here's the other thing too. We're talking about comedy works
Speaker 4: A little bit earlier on at Comedy Works South, I
Speaker 4: went and saw Detroit native Tim Meadows, formerly of Saturday
Speaker 4: Night Live Ladies man all that, and he kind of
Speaker 4: got into politics at the end. I could tell he
Speaker 4: didn't really want to. And he kind of asked how
Speaker 4: many Trump supporters we have? And there's a murmur myself
Speaker 4: and a few others, Yeah, yeah, okay, I get it.
Speaker 4: And then the guy in the front row says, I'm
Speaker 4: an RFK Junior supporter Tim Meadows went off on that guy.
Speaker 4: What Christian Total wrote an article about it, Hollywood Intoto
Speaker 4: dot Com. Meadows was infinitely more angry, and he said,
Speaker 4: so at RFK junior supporters than Trump supporters. The bottom line,
Speaker 4: I might be slightly misrepresenting, but not really was well,
Speaker 4: Trump supporters, they're just they're a lost cause and you
Speaker 4: know they're not that right whatever. You should know better
Speaker 4: as an RFK Junior supporter because you're actually smart.
Speaker 3: But what are you doing? He got really mad.
Speaker 4: He apologized to the audience, and that's when I knew, Heidi,
Speaker 4: the RFK Junior Alliance was powerful.
Speaker 3: With Donald Trump. It is powerful.
Speaker 2: It's it's been incredible to watch all these previous democrats
Speaker 2: come together and remake the conservative movement.
Speaker 3: I know, Tulsea Gabbert, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Crazy, and I you know, I have to say, Heik,
Speaker 2: We're in a really good place. We've got great policy ideas,
Speaker 2: we've got good solutions for things. One of the groups
Speaker 2: that I'm on the board of now is called American
Speaker 2: Conservation Coalition, and you got to look it up. It's
Speaker 2: acc dot eco the website. They have a really good
Speaker 2: website that lays it out. But it's young conservatives taking
Speaker 2: back the conversation around the environment and clean land and
Speaker 2: clean air and clean water and reminding everyone that we
Speaker 2: are the party of Teddy Roosevelt.
Speaker 3: We are the original conservation Party.
Speaker 2: And they've got sixty thousand, I think seventy thousand now
Speaker 2: members across the country on college campuses and they're growing
Speaker 2: like crazy. And Hunter, who was just selected as the
Speaker 2: chair of Weald County, Hunter Rivera is going to be
Speaker 2: the new leader of ACC here in Colorado. He's also
Speaker 2: very involved in Colwordy Young Republicans and we should get
Speaker 2: him on the show soon. Maybe I can set him
Speaker 2: up to come on tomorrow. But we're taking back the
Speaker 2: conversation around the environment, We're taking back the conversation about health.
Speaker 2: We're taking back the conversation about fiscal conservative conservatism and
Speaker 2: responsible you know, money spending through DOGE. One of the
Speaker 2: things I love this morning that Britta brought out is
Speaker 2: she's she's launching Boge, which is Britta of GOP Efficiency,
Speaker 2: and she's really digging into the spending and the revenue
Speaker 2: sources and trying to figure out how to write the
Speaker 2: party financially which I think is a good thing too.
Speaker 2: So needless to say, I think I think we've got
Speaker 2: all the right like ingredients in the soup, and we
Speaker 2: just have to figure out how to sell that soup
Speaker 2: to so more voters in Colorado in order to ride
Speaker 2: that train and start winning again here. So I'm super
Speaker 2: excited about things going on in the conservative movement, and
Speaker 2: I think nationally, well, this morning, I asked the whole room,
Speaker 2: I said, you know, we talk about all this infighting
Speaker 2: in our party, but can we agree on two things?
Speaker 2: Can we agree that we like what's happening nationally? We
Speaker 2: totally we're all in on what's happening nationally. Everybody went whoay, yay,
Speaker 2: And then I said, all right, can we all agree
Speaker 2: that we don't like what's happening in Colorado?
Speaker 3: And everybody went yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, you guys, we all just agreed on
Speaker 2: two really really big things and the other twenty percent,
Speaker 2: as Ronald Reagan said, doesn't matter. So that was one
Speaker 2: of my favorite moments of this morning, of the breakfast
Speaker 2: and really getting through to people like, we have so
Speaker 2: much to agree on, we have so much good stuff
Speaker 2: to sell, our ideas and principles to the people of
Speaker 2: Colorado just need to get together and do it. So
Speaker 2: we're gonna come back after the break with my friend
Speaker 2: Lenn Gerber and talk all about in politics.
Speaker 3: You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2: That was great choice in music, Ryan, we love our
Speaker 2: doggies and kiddies. I mean, at least all my friends
Speaker 2: and people I hang out with do. And something that
Speaker 2: I'm very proud of in my career is I launched
Speaker 2: Camp Bowow back in two thousand and grew it to
Speaker 2: the largest pet care franchise in the country with I
Speaker 2: think now they have over two hundred locations, and that's
Speaker 2: really what got me launched in politics too. I got
Speaker 2: really frustrated about the government getting in the way of
Speaker 2: helping my franchisees grow and starting new businesses and hiring
Speaker 2: more people. It was insane. But the other cool thing
Speaker 2: that we did was start the bow Wow Buddies Foundation,
Speaker 2: which was the charity arm of Camp Bowow and we
Speaker 2: were able to rescue over ten thousand dogs over ten
Speaker 2: years through rescue or fostering them at the local camp
Speaker 2: since the camps would let them hang out there while
Speaker 2: they got a home and my franchises were just amazing.
Speaker 2: They fostered so many dogs and just created just an
Speaker 2: adoption machine out of the whole franchise. And so Lynn
Speaker 2: Gerber and I Lynn is a dear friend of mine.
Speaker 2: We met not on the dog front, we met in
Speaker 2: politics and we got to be fast friends. And then
Speaker 2: I found out what an incredible heart she has for
Speaker 2: rescuing animals. And I want to bring Lynn on now
Speaker 2: and let her tell you a little bit about her
Speaker 2: story because it's pretty amazing. And we're going to tell
Speaker 2: you some pretty amazing things about Colorado and how off
Speaker 2: the rails it is when it comes to animal rescue
Speaker 2: and how we can fix things. Lynn, welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Heidi camp Be.
Speaker 3: Wow, I love you, Oh, thank you.
Speaker 2: I'm hanging out with dogs was really cool way to
Speaker 2: build a business.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: And why going from dogs to politics that was kind of,
Speaker 2: you know, a crazy transition, but it's helpful in what
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about now. Lynn, I think our
Speaker 2: background of politics helps us fight these battles for all
Speaker 2: these amazing dogs that need help. So I want you
Speaker 2: to tell folks a little bit about your background and
Speaker 2: how you got to this.
Speaker 5: Point, well, well, I never thought of ever being in politics,
Speaker 5: but I ran present it in twenty twenty because I
Speaker 5: was so passionate about these dogs and what happens to
Speaker 5: our community of animal lovers. So that began my journey
Speaker 5: in politics and dogs. Currently, I'm the community engagement director
Speaker 5: for Positive Pathways and I work in rural Colorado. We're
Speaker 5: a licensed a nonprofit and we work with homeless, at
Speaker 5: risk dogs in underserved areas in Colorado and New Mexico.
Speaker 5: So that's my heart's work, along with Good Dog Good Life.
Speaker 5: As a digital creator.
Speaker 2: You are becoming quite the influencer on social media. Your
Speaker 2: Facebook page, I think you have how many followers? Sixty
Speaker 2: thousand followers now, yah, we're.
Speaker 5: Going to hit sixty here and we're just up and
Speaker 5: running on YouTube. Thank you for your support on that, Heidi.
Speaker 2: Sure. And so it's called Good Dogs, Good Life. They're
Speaker 2: on YouTube, Facebook and TikTok. You've got to go check
Speaker 2: it out. Especially if you love dogs. You're going to
Speaker 2: love what they're doing.
Speaker 5: It's Good Dog Good Life on TikTok, YouTube and Facebook. Yeah,
Speaker 5: says Hidi.
Speaker 2: Great, I'm going to tweet out about it later and
Speaker 2: with all the links and posted on Facebook, et cetera.
Speaker 2: But we have got of an urgent crisis in Colorado
Speaker 2: right now, and it's been building for a few years,
Speaker 2: and we've talked about it, written about it, advocated for
Speaker 2: policy to stop what's going on. But I gave these
Speaker 2: tidbits earlier in the show Lynn that in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four alone, six thousand animals were euthanized in shelters in
Speaker 2: Colorado and Denver now ranks fifth nationally in shelter ethan
Speaker 2: asia rates. What on earth has happened to create this mess?
Speaker 5: Wow? Yes, that is accurate. The numbers just came out. Well,
Speaker 5: housing people surrendering animals, and unfortunately, we import so many
Speaker 5: animals into Colorado with rescues you know, with names fit
Speaker 5: in for it. There are Colorado based rescues, which they're
Speaker 5: not a lot of reasons. I'm not sure how much
Speaker 5: you want to go into all that, but one hundred
Speaker 5: and sixty three thousand dogs and most puppies were imported
Speaker 5: into Colorado in the last six years.
Speaker 3: And then tell me.
Speaker 2: If this is kind of the bare bones way to
Speaker 2: describe how this happens. We have puppy mills around the country,
Speaker 2: or there's organizations that will take in puppies from rescues.
Speaker 2: They import them into Colorado, and some of these rescues
Speaker 2: work as nonprofits, but they make a lot of money
Speaker 2: because they charge like thousand dollars adoption fees. They call
Speaker 2: it retail rescue. And so you think you're a opting
Speaker 2: a puppy that's been you know, dumped on the side
Speaker 2: of the road, and actually it's been very intentional where
Speaker 2: they bring them here and they can adopt these dogs
Speaker 2: out for very high fees. Is that an accurate way
Speaker 2: to describe what's been happening.
Speaker 5: Well, I think puppy mills are a separate issue. But
Speaker 5: what we do have is we have a lot of dogs,
Speaker 5: mostly from Texas, that come in. They're free. There's no
Speaker 5: you know, there's no transaction with dollars. They come from
Speaker 5: shelters there there is great need in our states and
Speaker 5: we're a great state for importation. So that is what
Speaker 5: happens the rescues. A lot of our large importers are importing,
Speaker 5: they're getting free dogs, bringing them in for all kinds
Speaker 5: of different reasons, and it really boils down to dollars
Speaker 5: dogs or dollars dogs or commodities, and unfortunately Colorado has
Speaker 5: gotten out of hand.
Speaker 2: So when you say dogs are dollars, like I described
Speaker 2: one way that nefarious actors are bad actors make money
Speaker 2: off of this animal rescue world, what's another way, like
Speaker 2: to give us a couple other examples of how they're imported. Well, no,
Speaker 2: how people make money off this? Like how this Like
Speaker 2: it's just amazing to me the amount of money that's
Speaker 2: in like the rescue space and the shelter space, and
Speaker 2: a lot of people are making money off of ways
Speaker 2: they shouldn't be, like their heart's not in it for
Speaker 2: the right reasons.
Speaker 5: Well, I think to kind of sumb it up is
Speaker 5: that you have many small rescues in Colorado that do
Speaker 5: amazing work. But when you have rescues that we have,
Speaker 5: I don't know, probably fifteen plus that bring in, you know,
Speaker 5: hundreds and hundreds of puppies and dogs that from other states,
Speaker 5: we really don't know what's coming into our state. And
Speaker 5: a lot of the dogs, the puppies are picked over.
Speaker 5: Sometimes the dogs are bundled, and many of the dogs
Speaker 5: end up in boarding and we're basically just it becomes
Speaker 5: a dollar. I don't think some people start out, you know,
Speaker 5: with good intentions, but I think they see how much
Speaker 5: money can be made. So we have dogs warehouse, we
Speaker 5: have dogs you know that are food food dogs. And
Speaker 5: what's sad is that we have a lot of rescues
Speaker 5: that in for you're adopting a dog from a Colorado
Speaker 5: rescue and in fact you're not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's been my pot That's what I've written
Speaker 2: on before in the past, is these retail rescues and
Speaker 2: how these nonprofits that rescue dogs quote unquote make They
Speaker 2: get huge donations and huge investments by people, good people
Speaker 2: who think they're doing the right things. And then there's
Speaker 2: the flip side, which we're going to talk more about
Speaker 2: after the break, but the political side of it and
Speaker 2: what's happening in Colorado politically and how we went from
Speaker 2: being one of the best states for animal rescue and
Speaker 2: low euthanasia rates to being one of the worst. A
Speaker 2: lot of it has to do with legislation or policy.
Speaker 2: Is that correct line?
Speaker 5: Well, I you know what's happened right now is because
Speaker 5: Denver is saturated in the cost of living that because
Speaker 5: a lot of our rescues, we would like to see
Speaker 5: them help and support our shelters, our municipal shelters. So
Speaker 5: what's happening is that municipal shelters and rowers where we
Speaker 5: work in we cannot compete with the puppies and the
Speaker 5: food food dogs, and so what happens is they get
Speaker 5: surrendered to the shelter when there's not space, or you
Speaker 5: have behavioral issues, or you just you know, they have
Speaker 5: there's nothing they can do. A rescue is supposed to support,
Speaker 5: and we would like to see our Colorado rescues support
Speaker 5: our shelters and not. You know, it's just it's sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think right now, we've got to take care
Speaker 2: of our own pups that need homes, albiodies, and you know,
Speaker 2: God bless the other states that need help, but we've
Speaker 2: got to figure this out in Colorado. So Lynn, we're
Speaker 2: going to bring you back after the break to ask
Speaker 2: a couple more questions about the political side of this.
Speaker 2: This is Heidigan All filling in for Dan Capless. We'll
Speaker 2: be back right after the break.
Speaker 3: And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast and Capitalists.
Speaker 2: And I have my friend Lyn Gerber, who's been pretty
Speaker 2: politically active in Colorado but also just a warrior for
Speaker 2: rescue animals across the state and doing wonderful work. And
Speaker 2: I'm going to share out her information on her organization
Speaker 2: and how to follow her on Facebook, YouTube, and TikTok
Speaker 2: later online. But Lynn, there's a few things that I
Speaker 2: think people can do fundamentally to help with this overpopulation
Speaker 2: problem and our packed shelters and euthanasian problem here in Colorado.
Speaker 2: One is make sure that your pets are spayed and
Speaker 2: neutered number two vet no pun intended the rest before
Speaker 2: you adopt an animal, and make sure they have a
Speaker 2: good reputation, that they're doing it for the right reasons,
Speaker 2: there aren't exorbitant fees involved. And then finally donate and
Speaker 2: volunteer with the good ones. That leaves out the political
Speaker 2: side of things. So I want you to explain to
Speaker 2: people real quickly who oversees our shelters and rescues in
Speaker 2: Colorado and where there might be some gaps or why
Speaker 2: we might need to ask our legislators to do more.
Speaker 5: Okay, the key is Jared Polis, our governor did nat
Speaker 5: a division of animal welfare where the only state in
Speaker 5: the nation that has a division, And what we would
Speaker 5: like to see the governor and Act is stronger enforcement
Speaker 5: through your here's regulatory agency view of animal protection and
Speaker 5: pass a Pet Animal Care Facility Act. We would love
Speaker 5: to see the governor be more involved and enforcement of
Speaker 5: animals that are being abeers and rescues that are taking
Speaker 5: advantage of our consumers.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I was looking at the numbers. There
Speaker 2: were two hundred and seventeen PAKFA violations over five years.
Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty seven were direct and one hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty seven licensed rescues were cited for PAKFA violations
Speaker 2: in a single year. And that's very telling. And they
Speaker 2: don't have a big staff at Pakfast, so that's a
Speaker 2: lot of citations for a small team. Is that correct?
Speaker 5: Well when you consider there as close to three thousand
Speaker 5: licensees in Colorado. Wow, thereby of the compliants come in
Speaker 5: on the rescues and the rescues. I caution people just
Speaker 5: because people call themselves a rescue does not necessarily mean
Speaker 5: their rescues. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the key things that I've
Speaker 2: learned from you and that I want our listeners to
Speaker 2: take away is don't believe just because it says on
Speaker 2: Facebook or pet Finder or the flyer that they're a rescue.
Speaker 2: There are amazing animals that good rescues all over this
Speaker 2: state and good shelters that are being cared for and
Speaker 2: waiting for a home. And I'm not saying the ones
Speaker 2: that are with not good actors are you know, shouldn't
Speaker 2: be adopted. They should, but we don't want you taken
Speaker 2: advantage of and we don't want you kind of keeping
Speaker 2: this system going right and feeding the machine. Is that
Speaker 2: a good way to say it in exactly?
Speaker 5: And I would love to see people write our governor
Speaker 5: and demand transparency, demand that we protect and our consumers
Speaker 5: from whistleblowers. The industry is so money motivated and some
Speaker 5: of these rescues are making so much money they are
Speaker 5: intimidating for our consumers to fosters. And I would like
Speaker 5: to see our state we used to be the later
Speaker 5: and leader in the nation. We still are in many respects,
Speaker 5: but we need to protect Patta. But Patta and a
Speaker 5: Governe government needs to get on the ball. They need
Speaker 5: to start dealing with the bad actors and publicly. I
Speaker 5: started the violations and inspection reports were posted. That has
Speaker 5: to be made available to the public.
Speaker 2: And it's not right now. No that's crazy, Like, I
Speaker 2: don't understand why not? Why why wouldn't.
Speaker 5: They You count a lot of these people have attorneys
Speaker 5: and it's litigation, and unfortunately PATA has really stepped it
Speaker 5: up lately and they have really taken some people to task.
Speaker 5: But they have a limited budget, budget, limited resources, and
Speaker 5: you know, times are tough, so don't have in a
Speaker 5: point an animal division and not in act change. So
Speaker 5: get going, Jared on your last year and path get
Speaker 5: you know, strengthen and strength. We have an advisory committee
Speaker 5: and we would love to see those people more engaged
Speaker 5: instead of just seat warmers. We would love to see
Speaker 5: the committee, the advisory committee that advises the Department of
Speaker 5: Bag Advice and become involved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lynn, I think I applied to be on that committee,
Speaker 2: but for some reason Jared did post didn't put me
Speaker 2: on the committee. I don't understand. Oh no, I know
Speaker 2: politics comes into play there.
Speaker 5: Well, it is very political. Having people need to know
Speaker 5: dogs and dollars dogs or a commodity. And we have
Speaker 5: to protect our great, amazing shelters. We have the best
Speaker 5: municipal shelters and our small rescues that get hurt by
Speaker 5: these big players get play big they have attorneys, and
Speaker 5: they are our betoners, and they're intimidators and it has
Speaker 5: to stop.
Speaker 2: Well, and I'm going to do a follow up to
Speaker 2: this interview. We're going to post this interview on Rocky
Speaker 2: Mountain Voice, but I'm also going to do a follow
Speaker 2: up article where we're going to detail some places and
Speaker 2: ways people can find out who those bad actors are
Speaker 2: and hold them accountable and ask the governor and his
Speaker 2: division and his advisory committee to do this. So I'm
Speaker 2: with you in this fight. I know there's lots of
Speaker 2: animal lovers across this state that are in this with you,
Speaker 2: and we'll get the job done. But thank you for
Speaker 2: all you do. Lynn. We so appreciate you, and keep
Speaker 2: up the great work and I will share your social
Speaker 2: connections later on on social media.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Hatty, And can I just ask for one
Speaker 5: big ask here?
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 5: We currently are in rural Colorado. Our program works with
Speaker 5: all rural areas and we are in desperate need of food.
Speaker 5: I just posted on our social media Positive Pathways on
Speaker 5: my personal page, we really need food. We are undershirt,
Speaker 5: we are in rural Colorado. We do the tapest work
Speaker 5: in the state in rural Colorado, and we have an
Speaker 5: amazing team from Pueblo all the way south east and southwest.
Speaker 5: We could sure you some help that.
Speaker 2: I would love to get the word out about that. Lynn.
Speaker 2: How can people donate? Do you guys have a website?
Speaker 5: We do Positive Pathways CEO for Colorado dot com.
Speaker 2: And that's positive pa w s a d iv YEP.
Speaker 2: All right, Positive Pathways dot COO. Is that correct?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: Positive Pathways COO Colorado dot com.
Speaker 3: Got it? Got it? All right? Great?
Speaker 2: I will post that link later.
Speaker 4: Thanks.
Speaker 2: Lynn. I'm gonna talk about one quick thing before we
Speaker 2: go to break, but I appreciate you being on the
Speaker 2: show and we'll follow up with a written article as well.
Speaker 5: Thank you for your amazing work. We appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 3: No worries, guys.
Speaker 2: Real quick, I want to celebrate the Beagle Testing Lab
Speaker 2: getting shut down. What a great thing that President Trump did.
Speaker 2: I'm very proud of him. I think that's awesome.
Speaker 3: So I want to a dupe one. Oh Kelly, I
Speaker 3: do you need to? I know I think you need to.
Speaker 2: I'll find it for you. I'll find it by the
Speaker 2: end of the break, I promise