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the show Today on Softcore History with our special guest

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Kyle Bandujo, podcaster and author of the upcoming book Movies

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with Balls, we are talking about one of the most

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famous American sports scandal figures ever, famed gambler and criminal

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Arnold Rothstein, known best for potentially fixing the nineteen nineteen

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World Series between the Chicago Black Size and the Cincinnati Reds.

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But Arnold Rostein was so much more than the nineteen

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nineteen World Series. In fact, that's the least of his accomplishments.

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We are going into everything Arnold Rostein, the man who

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invented organized crime in the twentieth century in America, got

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into in his life. This man belongs on the Mount

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Rushmore of organized crime, next to al Capone and anyone

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else you want to name. Arnold Rothstein is the goat

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you have never heard of when it comes to organized crime.

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Enjoy the show.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Softcore History.

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Speaker 1: What is up? Welcome back to Softcore History. I am

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your host for the week, Rob Fox, joined as always

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by Dan Regester and Prop. Maybe the most special guests

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we've had tied with the guy who was in Saving

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Private Ryan but didn't remember anything about being in Saving Rever.

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Speaker 3: I had no idea about the movie or the events

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that took place.

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Speaker 1: Max Martini. We love him, great actor.

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Speaker 3: You're also hyping up Kyle a little too much, all right.

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I've been a post on his show before.

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Speaker 2: I've been on his shot you have, Yeah, you have?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Kyle ban Duho, podcaster and new found author joining us today.

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How you doing?

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Speaker 2: But I'm doing I'm so excited to learn some ship

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I was. I was listening on the way out learning

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about Bleeding Kansas. Like I'm I'm really fucking you.

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Speaker 1: Picked a good episode to listen to because like me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, bleeding bleeding Kansas and then like the Kansas I

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I I have a lot more context than the in

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the Ku Missoo rivalry. Now, so I feel pretty good about.

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Speaker 1: It that it's making me angry to see them thinking

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about it. Uh, you gotta get I gotta get off that.

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But before we get into anything, you're here for two reasons.

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One we're friends, but two you got a new book

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coming out. I do movies with balls. I'm holding it

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up to camera if you're listening right now and not

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on our YouTube.

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Speaker 3: Do you think you're better than us because you wrote

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a book?

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Speaker 2: No, Honestly, like I feel I kind of feel like

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dumber than most people now because I'm like, man, you

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read when you once you read back your own writing,

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like you guys have read back your own writing, and

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you're like, what is wrong with you?

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Speaker 1: You know? I don't feel I never feel that way

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right away. In fact, if I read it back like

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a week later, I'm like, huh sick.

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Speaker 2: When you send it back like a year later or something,

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then I'm like, especially comedy doesn't want to kill myself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't translate.

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Speaker 2: It's like when you when you turn in a draft

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to a book and then you get the like the

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hard copy in front of you. You're really proud for

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like a while, Like that feeling lasts a while and

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then you start poking through the pages and you're like,

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Speaker 1: Horrible choice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tough, tough, but yeah Movies with Balls the greatest

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sports films of all time analyzed and illustrated. Me and

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my creative partner, Rick Bryson picked twenty six of the

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greatest sports movies, greatest fictional sports movies of all time,

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and broke down a miracle, no miracle, no league of

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their own. No remember the Titans, I think was historical fiction.

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had created these like he was wondering what like the

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ticket to Rocky's fight against Draga would look like? Rings

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like that, And so the ticket for those what are

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you talking about? That's just true. It did happen, did happen?

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Speaker 3: And did communism?

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Speaker 2: He he tore down all himself.

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form or fashion existed in real life, we didn't touch it.

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to eliminate a lot of movies off the bat if

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they were based on a true story. But yeah, we

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picked twenty six of our favorites and and broke down

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the movies why we loved him. Uh. With most movies

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of July game, And then we picked an m VP

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did White Goodman have good lawyers? Survey says no, No,

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forced out extremely quickly. Uh the company he founded. So

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movie Hall of Fame cases. Uh, you know, ask some

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questions that need to be asked about a few movies.

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about if you can call off your.

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three pieces of advice to live by, and I kind

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of I kind of broke those down and one of

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them I don't remember the top, like the exact wording,

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but it's like never cross a woman with like a

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dagger tattoo or something like that. And I'm like, that

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that kind of tattoo, and.

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and like some other ones, you know, like The Replacements.

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wrong thing? And the Replacements because like we're we're rooting

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for scabs? Yeah, Like it's The Replacements is a movie.

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I love. I love Keanu in it. I love Gene

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Hackman in it. I love it. Every time it's on TBS,

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I'm gonna watch it. But it's like it's a very

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anti labor movie. In that movie, there's a billionaire NFL

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where we had replacement refs.

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Speaker 2: Yes, better hand. I forgot about the replacement ref season.

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Speaker 1: It's chaos. It's like that was like the Hunger Games,

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where this whole board just changes every twenty minutes, you

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know what I mean, and you just don't know what's

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Speaker 2: I like that we have our biggest league as a country,

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like our biggest sport. Our referees still have to like

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a lot of them have day jobs.

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Speaker 3: Well, I like that cheerleaders make about minimum wage. Yeah yeah,

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what's what's the quote they're getting paid an exposure?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the quote? In the Netflix show like a

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Chick fil a worker, one of them says.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I was going to quote Kanye West and just

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say there's a thousand yees.

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Speaker 3: It's only one of me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's more than one of me. I'm basic

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as fuck, but there is a thousand of them too,

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so like you know whatever, it's a saturated hot chicks

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saturated market. Maybe yeah, I don't know, man, I was

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I'm not a good athlete, but like shit, that would

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shred my entire body just trying it one time.

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Speaker 3: They have a lot of time commitments.

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Speaker 1: Well, the NFL cheerleaders, the don't only do cheerleader shit. No,

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like not like the college ship now like they might.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like the the show another the cheer

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stunt work, like the stuff that they're truly capable of,

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people for that, Like I want to see we're taking

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a break from the on field athleticism, Like I want

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Speaker 1: That so actually one of my favorite sporting traditions of

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all time is every year at the Missoo Illinois game.

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cheerleaders and do the like one hand hold up or whatever,

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as fuck from the crowd, like there's nothing else in

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Speaker 3: Them navigating like an obie's father who brings his also

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portly son and tries to get a photo with the cheerleader.

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Speaker 2: That's like the that's like the the the cousin of

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the photo with the kid at Hooters.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gathering up the same guy. He has an

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entire photo album.

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and just like eighty, he crops out the kid, though

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he actually crop.

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Speaker 1: It out, just thumb over. The kid is just cranking

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it thumb over the kid's face, and you're going, he's

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got the wallet like pictures and they all come out

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I mean, I'm a Twin Peaks guy personally, good case

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Speaker 3: I just a good happy hour at UCF. I just

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Speaker 1: Trevia Knight's fun always. All right, let's get to this

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week's episode. I actually, in honor of your book, we

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are doing Getting a Little Sportsy. However, it's not a

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book or it's not a movie. I should say that

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you covered although you're probably familiar with it because you

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are for the audience. He doesn't know a big baseball

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guy as well. Kyle played college baseball.

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Speaker 2: I wore this for you. I did my best, John Crook,

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I appreciate it's my hair. The Phillies throwbacks are undefeated.

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Speaker 1: And you have even played. You were a pitcher and

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your battery mate ended up being a major leaguer. Yes, yeah, Gaddis.

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Speaker 2: I it was texting with him yesterday. He's doing doing well,

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good skiing a lot skiing. Yeah, being retired in your

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds pretty sweet. I mean he played just

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Speaker 3: Like enough money eight figures.

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Speaker 2: Not going to reveal his finances, but Evan's fine.

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he did well. I'm a Braves fan. I remember him.

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He was fucking great.

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Speaker 2: He's the nicest guy.

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Speaker 1: He actually hit the best home run I've ever seen

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in my life. Which have you ever seen that home run?

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it like above his head and hit it four nine feet?

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Speaker 1: No, I was in Miami and he why did you

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bring that up? Actually, that's not even his best Philly

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home run because you're talking I know, the one you're

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talking about golfing it. But he also hit like one

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hundred mile an hour ball. I forget who it was from.

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like impossible.

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it was off Cole Hamil's. Okay, Yeah, and then his

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his first career home runs were just like trashing the

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Phillies right now, was Roy Halladay? Yeah, which is pretty

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sick ALRP.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we a fucking step all over dead Man's grave.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that ball and Roy Holliday is playing both

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crash in the Yeah, but he hit this. This is

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a home run in Miami, and you know.

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Speaker 3: Not the only Philly to die in a plane crash

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as well.

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Speaker 1: But litle Corey little Yeah he gets Yankees shine.

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Speaker 3: He did die.

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Speaker 2: I think it happened in New Yore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it did, and I think he was with It.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't long after nine to eleven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like it was attacked again.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, it's just Corey Lionel crash.

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Speaker 1: Enough planes crash into those buildings more often than you.

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Speaker 3: They're too many athletes to fly planes, and I would

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not allow that in the contract.

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Speaker 2: No, it's it's hot, it's it's second to like motorcycles.

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Speaker 1: Dude. I we said this on another show, one of

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our shows earlier or something like that. I don't know what.

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Speaker 3: Would you allow an athlete to fly? You No, Like

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right now, I can think of Matt McNeely, the golfer,

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he's oh yeah, he flies a pilot flies himself to tournaments.

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I don't know if I would not hop on.

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Speaker 2: I want a pilot to fly me like a professional,

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like have have trained.

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Speaker 3: I don't hung over. You want to coke before.

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Speaker 1: A hobbyist to do surgery on you.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing I don't want, like just.

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Speaker 1: Really into surgery, you guys.

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Speaker 2: Side hustles are like podcasts and blobs and like a

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Postmates route. It's not flying. Other people can fly yourself.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a lawyer.

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Speaker 3: That's the highest. I'll go somebody that practices law on

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their free.

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Speaker 2: Timebbyist hobbyists, good luck passes the bar.

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Speaker 1: You're in a child custody battle, it's just your bro

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who's really into.

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Speaker 3: Law fucking I'll go pass the bar, right, I'll get

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you passion for it. That's why lawyers that are like

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twenty thirty years deep, they don't care. It's just you're

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another number too.

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Speaker 1: That's what you that's what you want. That's what I

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want out of my surgeon is just passionate competence. Yeah,

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just like a plug A to B. He's fixed. I'm out.

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Speaker 2: He's gotta want it. He's gotta have the one too

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to fix my heart.

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Speaker 1: But all right, we're doing a movie today that is

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not in your book because it's based on a real story.

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But I'm sure you're familiar with it because you're a

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baseball guy. Eight Men Out.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's so can go.

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Speaker 1: We're not doing much of Eight Men Out, but we

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are focusing on a specific person from Eight Men Out,

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who I think the film and the Black Sox Scandal

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in general does a great disservice to because this is

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one of the greatest men in American history.

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Speaker 3: Who was the actor?

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Speaker 1: I don't remember his off, but he's like you've seen

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him in everything. He's a character actor. I'm talking about

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Arnold Rothstein. Oh for yeah, the guy Legendary Gambler allegedly

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fixed the world series Legendary Gambler, but that he's sold

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short because the Black Sox Scandal is the most famous

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thing he was involved in. But what people don't realize

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is that Arnold Rothstein was also America's first drug kingpin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Are you guys fans of Boardwalk Empire?

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Speaker 1: Yes, he is in Boardwalk Empires a couple of seasons, yes, right.

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Speaker 2: I believe that in the first season, it's one of

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the seasons he's like trying to get away from the

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heat of the Black Sox scandal like they're referencing to it. Yeah,

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he's one of my favorite characters in Bill Rock Empire.

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Speaker 1: Okay, perfect, I've caught many I haven't watched Boardwalk Empire

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like a ton, which is shocking for me, but I

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am familiar with the Arnold Rothstein character that I've.

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Speaker 2: Seen funny enough YouTube videos my TikTok algorithm of late

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has been sending me. I don't know if you guys

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on TikTok will get like there are people who would

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just post clips of shows, like oh yeah, just post

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hundreds of clips from shows and that's their TikTok, and I.

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Speaker 1: Think, good for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like thank you, well, it's nice of like I

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enjoyed watching them. Yeah, it's like like we have kids,

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Like we're not gonna finding the time to rewatch an

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episode of Boardwalk Empire. Sounds like a fucking chore, Like

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where am I going to get an hour from? No, don't,

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I don't have hours. I do have two minutes for

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someone who put a Boardwalk Empire clip on tics, so

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your spark note in that's exactly, that's exactly all kinds

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of shows exact if I just want a happy reminder

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of like Deadwood.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I will never have time to watch an

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episode of Deadwood again for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 3: I've only seen the movie.

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Speaker 2: That's an interesting choice.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is the random movie they made because the

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creator had Alzheimer's and wanted to get one more paid dude. Yeah,

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I think he just wanted to make one more thing

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before he was incapable. But yeah, so Arnold Rosstein. He's

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alleged to have been a major figure, perhaps the ring leader,

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in fixing the nineteen nineteen World Series between the Chicago

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White Sox and the Reds, in which the White Sox

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and sholess Joe Jackson famously through uh the series, although

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Jackson's involvement is has been even as up in the

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air as Rosstine's more up in the air.

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Speaker 3: So they get a bad rap, all right. Gambling is

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part of baseball.

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Speaker 2: It's part of sports, American apple pie.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's why I I don't know I ever talked

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about this with you in our d MS or whatever.

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Don't give a single fuck that the Astros cheated to

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win a World series?

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Speaker 2: Oh me, I mean, I'm again like my my friend Evan, like, yeah,

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got his world in that year. Yeah, he the the

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first video. I think that, like John Boy posted Evan

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is up. I think facing uh facing the White Side

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year the boom boom boom boom.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's it's it's part of the game, and

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it's something that I think, like not not to like

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not to go all in on like the Astros thing,

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but it was like something that that I was told

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that Brian McCann when he played for the Braves, was

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obsessive with switching up signs because he's like people are watching,

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people are watching, watching, like you're either really good at

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it or you're not. Like everyone's trying to catch an edge.

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We just had, Like they just had to get rid

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of spider Tack a couple of years ago because people

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realize that, like you could spin the ball like crazy

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if you used it. And if they would have had

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spider Tack when I was in college, like I still

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probably wouldn't have been great, but I would have fucking

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loved to try it. Yeah yeah, yeah, like give me

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a shot, give me anything, yeaheah. I want to try

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and I want the entire league to get back on greeniesphetamines.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some form of fetamines because you are

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allowed to take adderall as long as you.

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Speaker 3: Haven't a couple gotten popped and suspended.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the guys you can't figure out the

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prescription situation.

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Speaker 1: And they deserve it because Adam Laroche.

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Speaker 2: Shane Victorino popped hot for adderall. Chris Remember Chris Davis,

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he have like fifty plus home run seasons and oh yeah,

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and then he got the bag from the Orioles and

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could never hit above the Mendoza liign.

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Speaker 1: Didn't want good for him, good for him. Point He's

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like Anthony Rendon.

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Speaker 2: I love I honestly love like Rendon, Chris Davis. I

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when a guy gets a huge contract and sucks because

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I love watching the American Dream. It's it's either that

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or that money sits like goes into a thirty yacht

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or just just sits in it in a bank account somewhere,

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you know.

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Speaker 1: For Chris Davis, I'm fine with him getting the contract

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because he seems fine. I'm sure he's fine. But man,

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Anthony Rendon is a dude.

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Speaker 2: He's doing everything possible to make people not like it.

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Oh like everything possible.

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Speaker 1: Come on, man, like, just don't say anything.

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Speaker 3: God, but it's not my whole life, Okay.

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Speaker 1: It should be. Kyle Tucker is that way too. Kyle

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Tucker's like you poost bulls fined. It's like, just love

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it to do it forever. More.

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Speaker 2: More guys need to lie and say they don't speak English,

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like Anthony Rendaut needs to be like I need to

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need a translator, and it's like you're from Houston.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like we know you fucking speak English.

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Speaker 3: Bro Otani should just pull the other Tani.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not sure he'll give an on record

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quote ever again, speaking of he.

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Speaker 3: Clearly speaks English, he made Cameron laughing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he, I mean, he definitely speaks English. But like

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I if I can, if I can just have someone

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speak for me like I would, I'd be fine with dude.

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Speaker 1: There was one interview with Ronald Cunya Junior because he

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always has the translator and I'm sure his English isn't

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great yet, who knows, but he's just doing to fun people.

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Always is a translator and is always just like and uh,

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really you know, and then the translator says it or

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whatever and they're like Okay, Ronald, thank you so much.

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He had a great game. I can't wait to watch

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you again. And he just goes like goes in and

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looks right in the mic and like straight up goes

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see you, like no accent, nothing, and just like see it.

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Thanks Like just I was like, what, what Well? I

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like my baseball players to have.

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Speaker 3: A double life, like Bartolo Cologne, where you have two families.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of your more baseball players than

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you think have two families.

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Speaker 3: Mhm probably.

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Speaker 1: H see it sounds horrible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks so much upkeep.

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Speaker 2: It's one of those like nasty secrets of like when

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you when you get older, like when you're a kid,

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you kind of like assume the best of people and

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like you know for the most part, and then you

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get older and be like, yeah, people do have two

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families sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it sounds like good.

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Speaker 3: I kind of felt that way with cocaine. Everyone does cocaine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I was like, oh, Cocaine's a big, bad drug.

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And then like the older I got, I was like.

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Speaker 2: Then you get in your twenties, yeah you kind of

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thought Bias. You thought like Len Bias was the last person.

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It's like, oh that that made everyone stop. Yeah, Len Bias,

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or at least Chris Farley, Yeah what Yeah, Len Bias

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is the one that I always hunt.

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Speaker 3: Like.

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Speaker 2: Obviously I'm younger than before that happened, but that was

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always like the story to put fear into you. It's

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like you'll end up like Len Bias.

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Speaker 1: Bias did cocaine and died.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and then after that, after nineteen eighty six, no

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one did cocaine.

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Speaker 1: The last year. No, everyone knows this. So Rostein, like

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you said, in Boardwalk Empire. He was also the inspiration

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for Meyer Wolf Wolfsheim in The Great Gatsby. Yes, and

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allegedly him and his wife, a showgirl named Carolyn Green,

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00:21:11,519 --> 00:21:14,319
were the inspiration for the musical Guys and Dolls that

470
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I didn't know. So Rostein kind of big in our

471
00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:25,960
nation's cultural fabric despite being such a lesser known name.

472
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,200
Three major works, I get two major works of art,

473
00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:32,359
and then Boardwalk Empire is great too, and then also

474
00:21:32,519 --> 00:21:38,279
obviously seriously impactful on the game of baseball. So huge there,

475
00:21:39,319 --> 00:21:41,200
Rostein when you get into him now. He was born

476
00:21:41,319 --> 00:21:44,519
in eighteen eighty two in Manhattan to a pretty wealthy

477
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,799
like middle class up the middle class devout Jewish family.

478
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:55,599
His father, Abraham Rostein, was ironically known as Abe the just. Oh.

479
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He was a businessman always and was always I guess honest.

480
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 2: Abe was sometimes things skip generation.

481
00:22:02,839 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well his brother, his older brother, Harry, was studying

482
00:22:06,039 --> 00:22:09,480
to be a rabbi. So I guess Harry maybe turned

483
00:22:09,519 --> 00:22:10,160
out Okay.

484
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 2: It's like when one sibling has all the athleticism, like

485
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,240
he had all the morality.

486
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,799
Speaker 1: Yes, Rostein was good at stuff in his own right,

487
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,640
but as a typical middle slash younger sibling, I don't.

488
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,640
I didn't look to see if he had siblings younger

489
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,519
than him. But he was jealous and always in need

490
00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:34,240
of attention. His dad said that Arnold was jealous of

491
00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:37,519
Harry and would get upset when when Arnold was not

492
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,279
the center of attention over golden boy Harry. He's gonna

493
00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:42,400
be a rabbi, I mean a rabbi and a devout

494
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,880
Jewish family or a preacher in it about Christian family,

495
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,559
that's like, I mean even a quarterback, you know what

496
00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:49,000
I mean, your debt for Hank Hill, like in Hank

497
00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:51,519
Hill's family, you know, like it's just you fucked if

498
00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:52,640
you're not that that guy.

499
00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get the stature to live up to.

500
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I guess Rostein was jealous of his brother

501
00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:05,200
from the outset because at one point, Arnold's father woke

502
00:23:05,319 --> 00:23:11,559
up and found Arnold then a toddler, standing over Harry's

503
00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:13,400
bed holding a knife in the middle of the night.

504
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:20,160
So like, again, Rob, you have kids, two toddlers currently.

505
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure how you can. Again, this is

506
00:23:23,799 --> 00:23:27,279
a different time, Like if this happened now, it's like, okay, therapy,

507
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,440
like we're gonna, you know, I get down to the

508
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,519
bottom of this. I feel like back then it was like, well,

509
00:23:32,599 --> 00:23:34,799
just put them in separate rooms and lock the doors.

510
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,400
Is that it'll be fine, possible.

511
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,839
Speaker 1: I mean, they had probably a decent flat. I assume

512
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,480
it's like a it's not a multi story, right, it's

513
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,240
an apartment or a flat. Yeah, So but do they

514
00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:46,319
share a room? What's God, I don't know what the

515
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,119
situation is.

516
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 3: I imagine everyone back then shared the room.

517
00:23:50,039 --> 00:23:51,279
Speaker 1: It's everyone in the same room.

518
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a giant room. I think everyone in the

519
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,599
eighteen four plants. Yeah, everyone in the eighteen hundreds all

520
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,279
lived in the same room. I mean entire families that

521
00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:00,279
did used to be like.

522
00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 1: In the middle ages. Whole family slept in the same

523
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,279
bed quite often.

524
00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 3: And then if you wanted to bang your wife, you

525
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,880
had a curtain that you pulled so the kids couldn't see.

526
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 2: The bang curtain.

527
00:24:09,559 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: Okay, and the fuse you'd have them where like ear

528
00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:16,079
muffs didn't even wasn't even a thing back then.

529
00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 3: It wasn't for sound.

530
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 2: War come back, well back then. It's like it's not

531
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,079
like we're having sex. It's like we're creating another laborer

532
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,279
for the estate. Like we're getting we're getting you guys

533
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:27,839
a coworker.

534
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you want to you tell you we were

535
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,759
about to split this field into another.

536
00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:33,039
Speaker 2: Eighth Yeah, just for you.

537
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 3: That's another chimney sweeper another way, just more. You said

538
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,559
this earlier, another dusted boy.

539
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: We said this on a different show. But you know

540
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,839
it's like, yeah, it used to be you had kids,

541
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,359
more kids to work the farm. Like why do people

542
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,960
have kids now? It's like people should have more kids

543
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:48,440
now to work the content farm.

544
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

545
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: Content what we need to get back to what we

546
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,839
used to do, which is monetizing children.

547
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it all balloon boys. Dad, not wrong, no, not wrong.

548
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:00,920
He saw the future. E he was just at the Yeah,

549
00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:03,839
the thing is, Yeah, if that kid had been if

550
00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:06,279
they had like done a TikTok live. I know the

551
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,440
kid wasn't in the balloon, but if they had found

552
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,200
a way to do some sort of like live. Yeah,

553
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,400
I'm coming to you from inside the balloon.

554
00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: Build a little tinfoil hut in your house, and that's

555
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:17,880
what he's inside of.

556
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 2: I don't know what that kid's doing now. I can't

557
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,240
imagine it's good.

558
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,799
Speaker 3: I mean, David Blaine did the same thing like ten

559
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,720
years later, and he monetized it.

560
00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: I mean, he's content king. Yeah, but it's really like now,

561
00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:31,640
every time you have a new baby, it's like, that's

562
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,519
the potential. That's multiple YouTube channels every single w Yeah,

563
00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:37,680
it's if you're not doing that, don't let them have

564
00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:40,480
a childhood. If you're not doing that, you're you're it's

565
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:42,599
your fault, you're poor. Yeah, I mean, look at look

566
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,400
at baby Gronk's dad doing everything right. Yeah, it's going

567
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,640
to have an incredible.

568
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: Relationship, honey Boo Boo's mom.

569
00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:52,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all going to have incredible relationships. And the

570
00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:54,039
children and adults, they're not going to fight.

571
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: There will be no emancipations, nothing like that.

572
00:25:58,519 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 3: That's Xanders awfully now a two time major champion.

573
00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:05,839
Speaker 2: Why his dad, because his dad gave up coaching him. Actually,

574
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:08,119
but until then.

575
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:13,079
Speaker 3: Until then, until then, to attack of Viola, starting quarterback

576
00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:15,440
for the Miami Dolphins. What happened? Dad beat disassed all

577
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:15,880
the time.

578
00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: Spanked constantly.

579
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and was one of the ones. He's like, yeah,

580
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,759
I'm better for it. Yeah, he's too, is into that.

581
00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: I wonder if see Xander's dad, he should take a

582
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,400
college football stature on it, or like a college will

583
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,680
position on it and say that Xander's new coach won

584
00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:31,599
with his guys. Oh yeah, you know what I mean,

585
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:33,440
recruit recruits.

586
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, he actually won his first major when his dad

587
00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:40,599
wasn't there. And his dad's a helicopter parent. How was

588
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,920
he not there chilling in Hawaii?

589
00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:43,279
Speaker 2: Yeah?

590
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so.

591
00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: Young Arnold also frequently got into trouble with his dad, again,

592
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,799
devout religious man because he loved Arnold loved shooting dice.

593
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,680
Arnold was actually uh maybe and maybe this actually tracks

594
00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:02,200
with his sociopathic name nature, but super gifted with numbers,

595
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,279
very very good with numbers. Did not care much for school,

596
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,640
but was great with math and just figuring statistics and

597
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,160
stuff out.

598
00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:12,279
Speaker 3: In his head and the blood.

599
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: Is it? I guess he None of them were accountants.

600
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,279
It was a rabbi. I mean his brother was a rabbi.

601
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,799
Speaker 3: His dad was a businessman.

602
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,599
Speaker 1: He was a businessman. No, I think I read he

603
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,440
was in like Linen's or something like that. So nothing

604
00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:29,200
like crazy.

605
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:30,599
Speaker 3: I bet he found it on the side of the

606
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,559
street too. It's like we're gonna sell this fell off

607
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:34,880
like the back of a wagon.

608
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,039
Speaker 1: Funny enough, That is how drug dealing used to be

609
00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:43,519
until Rosteine got involved. An innovator, Yes, uh so he

610
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,039
was good at shooting dice, which I think maybe got

611
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,039
the little fuck or the attention he craved just always.

612
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,880
You know, it wasn't getting at home, but he was

613
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,440
winning at dice. Everyone was patting him on the head.

614
00:27:54,599 --> 00:27:56,839
Speaker 3: Well, there's no better feeling than when you have a

615
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,319
hot handed crapstable nothing. I mean, the whole casinos behind you.

616
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 2: It's it's because you're winning. Ever the way to make

617
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,000
for Yeah, it's truly. It's the way to make friends

618
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:06,799
in a casino because like in black check, no one,

619
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:09,519
no one actually you say like, oh yeah, I give

620
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:11,079
him a black You know, the people at your table

621
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,799
you're like, yeah, you know, yeah, congrat great. You just

622
00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:16,039
gotta like you don't really care, like fuck off unless

623
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:18,519
they fuck you. Congract lest they fuck you. Yeah. Yeah,

624
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,920
Well that's the thing is someone If someone fucks you

625
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,839
on the black Chack table, there your enemy. But if

626
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,039
someone else is winning you, you truly don't care. If

627
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:27,519
someone is winning in craps, everyone's winning. So the most

628
00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:28,279
popular person.

629
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 3: Unless you're that dickhead that goes against the entire table. Yes,

630
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:31,880
they don't passline guy.

631
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to do that, like, yeah, he's

632
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:39,400
the feelin yeah fuck it. Uh. In nineteen twenty one,

633
00:28:39,559 --> 00:28:42,319
when asked how he became a gambler, Rothstein said, I

634
00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:44,720
always gambled. I can't remember when I didn't. Maybe I

635
00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:46,680
gambled just to show my father he couldn't tell me

636
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:48,519
what to do, But I don't think so. I think

637
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,279
I gambled because I love the excitement. When I gambled,

638
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,599
nothing else mattered.

639
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,519
Speaker 3: I can relate, Yeah, I know you can. I started

640
00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:58,079
reading lines. My dad got these little teasers when I

641
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,119
was like five, and I take my kindergarten teacher about

642
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:06,400
NFL and college football lines so she can impress her boyfriend.

643
00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: And now she's a gambling addict.

644
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 3: Probably she's dead now.

645
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: I fucking hate how Philadelphia that story is.

646
00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:16,079
Speaker 3: Per Capita Delco has the most bookies in the area.

647
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: That sounds right.

648
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:19,799
Speaker 3: It's not even a track, I know, I know, it's

649
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,440
a It's also where a lot of NBA referees come from.

650
00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:26,240
You'll remember that's a great not a great two things

651
00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:28,920
to be the Tim donoghue situation. Yeah, he went to

652
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,920
Cardinal O'Hare and there's a bunch of NBA refs that

653
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,920
are like linked around him.

654
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,799
Speaker 1: It's just like that's that are still in the league.

655
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:38,240
That's like being like, yeah, did you fund It's weird fact,

656
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:41,440
but you know that the most corrupt doctors and fentanyl

657
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,000
dealers both come from the same county. It's like bookies

658
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:47,640
and NBA refs. So it's just not you can't have

659
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:48,759
them that close together.

660
00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: Well they still do.

661
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, But the good thing is the league never gets

662
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:57,039
accused of being rigged, so they really clean things up.

663
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,839
Speaker 1: I mean, look, how rigged. Either something can either be

664
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:06,359
really really rigged or not, like so comically unrigged. When

665
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,880
a guy like Nikola Joki is just tearing up the

666
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,160
league actually I'll take you out of there because you

667
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:13,160
you work out a lot. I don't know what your

668
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,680
situation is, not I who has probably comparable body to

669
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,000
the two of us hype, notwithstanding being the best player

670
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:21,720
in the NBA.

671
00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:24,039
Speaker 2: It's not It does not compute.

672
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:26,799
Speaker 3: My little league baseball coach was actually tied in that ring.

673
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,160
Shouts to coach back in prison. All good for him

674
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:34,119
a situation, Yeah, to coach back went to prison.

675
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,759
Speaker 2: So bet it was a lot of fun while it

676
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:38,599
was happening, though, Oh, I bet that it was really exciting.

677
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: Did they make him give the money back?

678
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 3: I guess you gotta find a win to hide it.

679
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

680
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: Do you think like the roth scenes of the world,

681
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:49,279
they would probably hate how gambling is today. They would

682
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:51,240
hate how I would think they would hate how mainstream

683
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:53,160
it was. Like if you went back in time and

684
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,680
showed him an app for whatever, like your daily fantasy

685
00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:58,400
app of choices, Yeah, probably be like this. Yeah, you're

686
00:30:58,839 --> 00:30:59,480
you're not working hard.

687
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,119
Speaker 1: I think Rostein, based on what I've learned about him

688
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,200
writing this would actually be the he All he cared

689
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,880
about was more money.

690
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 3: But I thought it made me special growing up being

691
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,559
able to gamble like through high school college now. But

692
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,200
now it's oversaturated and everyone has that vice. It's like,

693
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,359
cool man, I got ten bucks on the games, like bitch,

694
00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:20,319
I got got my livelihood on it.

695
00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: Out here fighting my fucking life.

696
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 3: Uh No, Ludwig finished second. He bogeyed to par five,

697
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:27,920
lost one.

698
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:29,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, he dunked it on the second shot.

699
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. All you had to do was if he just

700
00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:35,039
pars that he forces the playoff with Keegan and I

701
00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:36,839
could have won four grand. But here we are.

702
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:37,519
Speaker 2: That's tough.

703
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: Here we are.

704
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: Oh, just another Sunday, Just.

705
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: Another Sunday where Danny's close but no cigut.

706
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,079
Speaker 1: Well you'll relate to this. Rostein loved gambling so much

707
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,279
that he would pawn his dad's jewelry.

708
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: And I've never done that, taking dad, I know you're

709
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,000
listening right now. I never stole from you.

710
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: Taking advantage of his poor father's devout Judaism. He knew

711
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:03,839
that his dad would not carry cash on him from

712
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,799
the day the sun or from when the sun set

713
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:08,359
on Friday to the end of the Sabbath the next day.

714
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:11,519
So Arnold would steal money from his wallet, like knowing

715
00:32:11,599 --> 00:32:13,240
he was not going to touch that wallet for a

716
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:16,039
whole day. Take it to go play crabs, and he

717
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:18,440
would so often win that he was able to replace

718
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,400
the cash without anyone noticing. So his dad was bankrolling

719
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,000
as gambling and heout even he would use the Sabbath

720
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:27,200
essentially to to fuck him over. Not I guess, no harm,

721
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:29,559
no foul there, Yeah, yeah out.

722
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: I got to shout out one of my good buddies

723
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,960
from high school, Matt, who had a similar predicament. He

724
00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:35,359
lost like a decent amount of money for like being

725
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,480
a high schooler an online poker. And then I did

726
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:40,519
the I'm gonna take my parents' money and went it back.

727
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: Did not want to listen.

728
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 3: No family members, you can't steal from them. But girl

729
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,559
you're dating, that purse is open.

730
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:53,839
Speaker 1: Just sitting there there.

731
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: She's never gonna know because what if you win?

732
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: You know? And I stole a lot of money from

733
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,559
my little sister in high school, uh to by booze

734
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:04,400
because she was like a babysitting Uh fucking titan of

735
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,119
the of the neighborhood and babysitting.

736
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: Have you yet your your kids might not be old

737
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,319
enough yet. Have you used cash that they have gotten yet?

738
00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: When you gated cash, they've never gotten cash.

739
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:16,279
Speaker 3: So when like you break their little piggy back to

740
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,119
tooth fairy. Uh you know what's going ready for tooth fairies? Now?

741
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, the tough thing is inflation.

742
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: Is it like five bucks? Now?

743
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: Now, the tough thing is you never have cash. It's

744
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,759
like I've had to give five dollars for fucking tooth

745
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:32,680
before because it's like I don't have any cash. We

746
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:35,880
have one five dollars bill of the house. So that

747
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,920
I mean, that's the kids are making out like like

748
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:40,119
gangbusters because no one carries cash.

749
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:41,039
Speaker 3: Because you don't want to break it.

750
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to Well, it's like you, I

751
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:48,079
guess you either remember, uh, you either remember right before

752
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:50,440
you go to bed or you remember at three o'clock

753
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,240
in the morning and you're like, oh shit.

754
00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:53,839
Speaker 3: You ever write your kidd in ioe you from the

755
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:54,480
tooth fairy? Right?

756
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:58,799
Speaker 2: Check Now we did one time check book. One time

757
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,680
there was a we completely blanked and the and that

758
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,960
next morning we're like, she might have had a lot

759
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,440
of pickups, Like you might be in for you might

760
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:09,760
be broken heart because your kid's what like eight nine,

761
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:12,440
he's ten. Now this I mean this is a while ago. Yeah,

762
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:15,199
it was just like she you know, she she probably

763
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,599
had a lot to do. You lost your you know,

764
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,639
you lost your tooth really late in the night, you know,

765
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,079
so she might not. You might be on that might

766
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,079
run back away.

767
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: I have a gullible child, so all right, good?

768
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that I would, and I would, I would

769
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,480
wish that on every parent have the most globle child.

770
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:32,360
You can get away with so much.

771
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,639
Speaker 1: See my child, I feel like.

772
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 3: Is well, you spin it. They believe in magic. Still,

773
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:37,840
they're creative.

774
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: I my child is gullible. I think I can think

775
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,880
I can trick him into pretty much anything.

776
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 3: But he's also a monster.

777
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,519
Speaker 1: He's indignant as far as so, like I could tell

778
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:47,719
him and he what would happen is he would buy

779
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,119
that story and then just be like that bitch fuck

780
00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:54,559
And that is still a problem, but now.

781
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: It's a different problem. Yeah, it's her problem. Yeah, it's exactly,

782
00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:58,960
it's two thirdy fall.

783
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: It's not your f Yeah, it really wouldn't calm him down.

784
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,360
It would just turn the arraige somewhere else. But I'd

785
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,000
still do it. Yeah, I don't want to. I don't

786
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:07,719
want to screaming at me.

787
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not your fat As long as not your fault,

788
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,159
ye know, exactly. So he's going to be mad at

789
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,920
society and I'm sure that'll.

790
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 2: Supply and that's when he's going to start sealing your

791
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,599
money to go play crafts.

792
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:21,599
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, he'll be a deviant by a gun. Allegedly

793
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:27,360
Ross Took. Allegedly Rostein wasn't even really into the games themselves,

794
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:31,679
just winning. Like he wasn't like either he had no

795
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,199
great love for playing crabs or or playing dice. He

796
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,280
had he had, he liked the excitement.

797
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the Michael Jordan quote. Right, I don't have

798
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,199
a gambling problem. I have a competition problem.

799
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it. Well, he had a money problem because

800
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,559
he It wasn't even I think the competition, it was

801
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:49,360
the end result. Like he liked getting the money. And

802
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:55,719
he was allegedly so much cleverer with statistics and numbers

803
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,519
and probability than certainly probably any other kid or teenager

804
00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:02,920
or young adult gambling in an alley or something that

805
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:05,360
he was able to just clean out. And eventually he

806
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,480
went onto bigger and better things and kind of got

807
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:12,599
into more of a business, got into the racetracks and

808
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:14,360
stuff like that. We'll get into that. But in nineteen

809
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,480
oh seven, he fell in love with the aforementioned showgirl,

810
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:21,360
Carolyn Green. But Green was only half Jewish and would

811
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,519
not convert, so Arnold's father did not approve. Arnold didn't

812
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:30,079
care married her anyway, and was disavowed by his father.

813
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:33,840
But believe it or not, this love against all odd

814
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,440
story was actually not that great.

815
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:37,679
Speaker 2: Arnold was not a great husband, I can imagine. I

816
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,920
also like that her not converting was why why he

817
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,280
didn't approve. Not that like she was a showgirl. Yeah yeah, yeah,

818
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,559
it's just like that's.

819
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,199
Speaker 1: Fine, but she could wave whatever she wants and whoever

820
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,440
she was, but be not on a Friday night.

821
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: She won't the classic story the Gambler and the Showgirl.

822
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,079
Speaker 1: He Arnold speaking of that, I guess it wouldn't wasn't

823
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:01,519
gonna be an issue anyway, because he forbade Green from

824
00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:03,360
continuing to work in the theater as soon as they

825
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,039
were married. He obviously, of course, also kept banging other chicks.

826
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,159
Speaker 2: That's the like nineteen oh seven version of you got

827
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:11,280
to shut down your only fans.

828
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I will still be jerking off to

829
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,800
twenty only fans. Yes, yes, I will keep all my

830
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,480
only fans subscriptions on the night of that we will.

831
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: Be flying girls out from LA.

832
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:27,119
Speaker 1: Because we're just friends. We're just a fan. Like a fucker,

833
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,960
ask her fucking do it. On the night of their wedding,

834
00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:35,239
he told her he needed to pawn her engagement ring

835
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,840
to free up some funds, and she was like, okay, baby,

836
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:41,599
and gave it to him. She was also not allowed

837
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:43,159
to go out after six pm, not allowed to be

838
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,639
contacted by anyone. I guess he was the only source

839
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,280
of communication. He claimed it was because the police were

840
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,000
constantly watching him, which probably might be true, except for

841
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:57,280
he owns the cops, so who knows. And he ordered

842
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,559
her not to bob her hair because it would make

843
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:04,320
her lose all dignity. Getting a bob back then was scandalous.

844
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: Right now, I agree with this dude. Fuck that my

845
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:11,320
lady gets a bob. It's over.

846
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: I have had my wife toll me multiple times and

847
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,719
I'm not allowed to let her cut her hair short again.

848
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,880
She's like, no matter what I say, no matter what

849
00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:23,360
ideas I get in my head, you can never let

850
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,039
me do that again.

851
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then if you bring that up, you're the

852
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:27,320
bad guy.

853
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: She's gonna try it again. I'm like, you told me

854
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:31,679
not to, and I got but I'm like, all right, whatever,

855
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:32,119
I don't care.

856
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,039
Speaker 3: I do that with Rob with my beard, because I'm like,

857
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,719
I wonder if I have a jaw line.

858
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: You don't want to find out now, because honestly, you know,

859
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:44,280
even if you have a strong, like a fine, fine

860
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,719
jaw line, the beard removes all doubt and it's never

861
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,039
gonna be as good as you want it to be.

862
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,519
Speaker 3: So anytime I bring up potentially shaven, I'm I have

863
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:54,360
Rob Slaty.

864
00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:56,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to assume that you have like Henry

865
00:38:56,599 --> 00:38:58,760
Cavill's jaw under there, because you don't. You don't know.

866
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: For certainly you don't Shroden jaw. It could be Henry

867
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,760
Cavill's jaw. It could be, and as long as the

868
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:13,320
beards there, who knows. Yeah. Also, Arnold was not around

869
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,480
very much because he was working constantly. He came home

870
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,960
every morning around five or six in the morning from

871
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,840
work or whatever, and he partook in his only addiction.

872
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,039
Arnold was sober, didn't well. I guess he was a

873
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:29,480
gaming addict, but he didn't consider it an addiction.

874
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: Is it an addiction if it's your job?

875
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: Though, at some point it's not. Yeah, but he he

876
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:40,719
didn't drink, didn't do the drugs he sold. He he

877
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,360
had one or I guess two things he was addicted to.

878
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,880
He would come home at six in the morning and

879
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,760
straight up Mitt Romney style chug quartz of milk and

880
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,159
eat whole trays of cake in a frenzy.

881
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: Listen the cake like I have a sweetie, Like I'm

882
00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:01,559
kind of here for Like that sounds great, like getting

883
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:05,360
home after a long night just pounding cake. The milk,

884
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,039
you've got to have an iron gut.

885
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 3: The milk just sounds like a high school. They're trying

886
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,440
to put it on a way for football, but it's

887
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:12,480
the worst way to do it.

888
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:15,639
Speaker 2: It was also like nineteen like you had so this

889
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,440
nineteen twenty you have no drinks, like three things.

890
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I honestly think cold milk might have been a

891
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,239
real delicacy back then.

892
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have cold milk, you have water with god

893
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,719
knows what in it. You have warm beer and it

894
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,239
was probably raw right, raw milk.

895
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 3: Back then?

896
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,519
Speaker 1: Uh, when was pasturization, actually when was a standardized team?

897
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: Gaines did not wrong with that.

898
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: Pasturization was standardized, standardized. The first state to require pasturization

899
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,239
was Illinois in nineteen oh eight nineteen twenty four is

900
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,360
when it, I guess became so No, it was wrong.

901
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:57,159
It was probably raw yeah yeah, yeah, his like.

902
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,119
Speaker 2: His stomach must have been made a fucking iron. If

903
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:03,599
he was getting this pro hugging raw mich shugging raw

904
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,000
milk and chasing cake with it, it's it's.

905
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: Not what you want. Now. I hope they had indoor plumbing.

906
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,039
I mean, it's not gonna clow. Nothing's getting clogged.

907
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,679
Speaker 2: A fresh cake, it's thin, it's coming out of there.

908
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:18,239
He's spraying.

909
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:20,639
Speaker 3: The cake's not lasting longer than a couple of days.

910
00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:22,639
Speaker 1: No, you got to eat it right away.

911
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's fresh.

912
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:24,199
Speaker 1: Yeah.

913
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: Uh.

914
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,559
Speaker 1: And they probably didn't have a well maybe they had

915
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:28,000
a fridge. He's rich, so they had a fe I

916
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:32,039
imagined they had a fridge, but an icebox by twenty

917
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,039
By the age of twenty eight and nineteen ten, Rostein

918
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:37,280
was already an illegitimate businessman, at least in the eyes

919
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,360
of the law. I don't necessarily you know, he was

920
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,239
into gambling and stuff like that. He moved to the

921
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,440
Tenderloin district in Manhattan. This is where all the gambling houses,

922
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:49,440
casinos and brothels were at the time. Uh and Rostein

923
00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:52,760
opened a big casino in the area breaked in money.

924
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:55,880
Along with his casino, he was super involved in horse racing,

925
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:01,039
specifically at the Hove de Gras Degrass de Gras track

926
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,280
in Maryland, and it was alleged, of course, that he

927
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:09,039
fixed races there constantly. He essentially one of the things

928
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:13,400
he was known for was leaving as little a chance

929
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:18,280
as possible, so in games of numerical chants, he had

930
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,920
a good mind for it. In stuff like horse racing

931
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:25,440
or maybe the nineteen nineteen World Series, he essentially would

932
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:29,079
fix things or get as much every bit of inside

933
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:31,400
information as possible. So and a good example of that

934
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,199
would be maybe he doesn't fix a match. But if

935
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,400
you recall the greatest gambling scandal in recent American history,

936
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,239
which is the Alabama Baseball oh.

937
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,599
Speaker 2: Scandal, fucking incredible.

938
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,039
Speaker 1: Where the guy had his bag man go bet at

939
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:51,320
the red Stadium because they had legalized Ohio casino in

940
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,440
the or legalized betting in the stadium.

941
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,079
Speaker 3: Just a regular Cincinnati Reds game, and put a hefty

942
00:42:57,559 --> 00:43:00,039
portion of money on an Alabama.

943
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 2: Baseball Alabama Friday night baseball game, that's key the eye. Yeah,

944
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,119
I believe he was like being very vocal about having information.

945
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,679
Speaker 1: He literally go, they're like wow, so if something like wow, sair,

946
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,719
that's a lot of money. And he was like, oh yeah,

947
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:13,159
I thought.

948
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: The sad trock, I know the coach and he said

949
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,960
the picture's injured. But they don't know the books don't

950
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:20,239
know it yet. So I'm just yeah, you told me

951
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,440
to put down this money. We're gonna split it. That's

952
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,760
the thing about like it was like literally he confessed,

953
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,960
if I'm the crime, if I'm not mistaken. They were

954
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,079
playing against Paul Skans too. Oh really, I think I

955
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:31,320
think there was the I think it was a game

956
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:32,920
against LSU against Paul Skans.

957
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 3: Hell yeah. And when you do gamble, there's a hefty

958
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,519
portion that don't really care whether or not you win

959
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:43,280
the money. It's more about the clout and what comes

960
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,159
with the win, being able to vocalize it to everyone

961
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:46,599
around you.

962
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I know things, at least important things

963
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,199
on Earth. I know them sports like oh wow, dude,

964
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,679
you picked a college football game.

965
00:43:56,639 --> 00:44:00,599
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, dude, dude, that's kind of the highierarchy and

966
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:03,360
how we judge each other on a social status is

967
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:04,719
our knowledge on sports.

968
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,559
Speaker 1: So one thing that's funny, I think kind of sports

969
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:10,559
helps train I think male brains are like this in general,

970
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,400
but I think sports either proves it or helps train's

971
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,239
on it is. I read it to the other day

972
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,960
that even though women are better in school, like undoubtedly

973
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,599
they're better and better at school and are getting more

974
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:26,039
education than men, men still do better on most general

975
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:31,480
knowledge tests for whatever reason. Like if you just give

976
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:35,559
a general knowledge test, then on average score score, obviously

977
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,440
you know any individual could be, however, dumber, smart, regod

978
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:39,039
in general knowledge.

979
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:42,199
Speaker 2: But I'm kind of wondering if that's because we spend

980
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,760
a shit ton of time on like Wikipedia deep dives.

981
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 1: I think that's not a thing chicks do.

982
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think they're probably using their time more

983
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,360
efficiently where I'm like, well i Wikipedia.

984
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,559
Speaker 1: Like we both waste time in our own special dumble.

985
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: Well I'm looking like I'm looking up, hey was this

986
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,679
actor in this movie? And then forty five minutes later,

987
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,559
I'm reading like something about like the Sri Lankan revolution

988
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:05,840
there was run But like that's how that's how you

989
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,239
know you have all this knowledge.

990
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 3: But I mean they're still pretty you know, plugged in

991
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,039
with the pop culture for the most part.

992
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they consume their own like we consume sports. They

993
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,719
consume whatever Chapel Roan's talking about. Yeah, you know what

994
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,400
I mean, like it's yeah, it's yeah, but it was

995
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:21,880
that was funny to me. I was like, man, I

996
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:26,719
just feel like maybe because it's not useful, like to

997
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,559
just have random trivia. It's no more useful than being

998
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,800
not more useful than being a responsible person.

999
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 3: You know what it is, rob, Ladies be shopping, just

1000
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:40,400
be shopping. We're at home getting that knowledge, reading those wikis.

1001
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:41,840
They're spending our money.

1002
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: We're naming some guys.

1003
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 3: I love naming. Who doesn't love naming?

1004
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: Loves name.

1005
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,599
Speaker 1: We've already done that like four times on this show.

1006
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:51,639
Speaker 3: You name.

1007
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: You named a guy a minute ago.

1008
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, Paul skeens X that fucking we were

1009
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,199
talking about Evan Gattis and fuck knows what.

1010
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,079
Speaker 3: No, but we love naming like guy from our childhood,

1011
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:02,280
from our teenage years.

1012
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like you ever, like once a week,

1013
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:07,760
I wonder what Pat Burl's doing.

1014
00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:10,599
Speaker 3: Dude, he burrowed your girl, That's what he did.

1015
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,119
Speaker 2: That's true. You're your girl. Your mom, your aunt, your cousin,

1016
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,400
thirty five of the Greater Philadelphia area, our children.

1017
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:18,599
Speaker 3: Of Pat Barrel.

1018
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: I believe it, like fully believe that that peace dancer

1019
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,800
Pat Junior. I still think the best version of him

1020
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,719
was on the Giants, but that's just not true. No

1021
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,719
man walking out in that gimp suit in the locker room.

1022
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,679
Speaker 3: My dad heard papearol so much. Why because he struck

1023
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:35,199
out a bunch.

1024
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: He was ahead of his time. He was like, truly,

1025
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:39,800
he'd be more appreciated.

1026
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,079
Speaker 3: Today most likely. Yeah, yeah, And he like had a

1027
00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:46,239
severe ankle injury in college, so he was a terrible

1028
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,519
fielder because he never recovered from that.

1029
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: Was he left fielder mostly m.

1030
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to I got to interview his college coach,

1031
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,400
legendary Jim Morris at the University of Miami. It's another guy,

1032
00:46:57,679 --> 00:47:01,079
another guy, and uh he recalled, like you know you

1033
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:03,559
have that you have that fall freshman season kind of

1034
00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:05,679
figure out who's gonna start. And he was like Pat's

1035
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,639
first VP penciled him into the four hole. Just the

1036
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,840
sound of the bad sound of the bat Pat the batman.

1037
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: I'll name of God right now. My favorite closer growing up,

1038
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,079
Eric Gania oh the goggles.

1039
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: Wasn't even your guy, I know, but I just loved it.

1040
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:21,079
I loved uh just the energy. Smolts was better.

1041
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: Smoltz was really good. I know. He's also a world

1042
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:25,199
class golfer.

1043
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 2: Now the uh worthwhile on YouTube going to watch the

1044
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:31,280
Gannia v. Bonds matchups? So good?

1045
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,159
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Ganya was was nuts. Uh By the age

1046
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:39,280
of thirty. Arnald Rosstein was a millionaire by nineteen nineteen.

1047
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,119
He was well known for his money in his gambling success,

1048
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,360
though he insisted it was all legit. Uh. I kind

1049
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,800
of think in a lot of ways. I know, Biff

1050
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,639
Tannon was based on Donald Trump in terms of like

1051
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,639
look and maybe personality like Biff Tannon in Back of

1052
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:57,760
the Future too. Yeah yeah, but it really the in

1053
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:03,239
terms of like not like Biff Tan, Rostein is Biff Tan.

1054
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,480
And in terms of like using any inside knowledge possible

1055
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,519
to make a ton of money and run Ilizic casinos

1056
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:10,320
and have an actual crime ring.

1057
00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I we would all if I think

1058
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,800
everyone relates more to Biff than they do to Marty, truly,

1059
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:22,079
like we would use we would take that book back.

1060
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,199
Speaker 1: For sure, Oh yeah, for sure. And I would never

1061
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,119
make out with my mom. Who's the real villain.

1062
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: That's exactly it. Yeah, Mullenie's been on back of the

1063
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:31,679
futures just all times.

1064
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the best he's gonna stop the Keddy says, well,

1065
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:39,159
now I feel stupid. Uh so comes the World Series

1066
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,079
nineteen nineteen. Rostin of course insists he's no part in

1067
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:44,760
throwing the World Series. In fact, in nineteen twenty one,

1068
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,360
a jury found that White Sox players accused of throwing

1069
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,599
the World Series. We're not guilty, so there's no proof

1070
00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:54,800
that there's technically no, it's never been proven beyond a

1071
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,199
reasonable doubt that the World Series was thrown. They were,

1072
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,480
in fact that they were found not guilty. It was

1073
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:04,280
then that Baseball banned them because they were like fuck this,

1074
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:05,159
we know they did it.

1075
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:06,079
Speaker 2: Got to do something.

1076
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:09,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, So was the World Series even thrown? Do you

1077
00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:09,719
what do you think?

1078
00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:13,519
Speaker 2: I think it probably wasn't thrown on the level that

1079
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:15,920
it's alleged it was thrown and is deep. Yeah, but

1080
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:20,199
I think they're you know, some some guys probably like yeah,

1081
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,599
through it. But I mean they took it to World

1082
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:24,519
Series was nine games. I think they took it to

1083
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:26,679
eight games? Did yeah, which is like if you're throwing,

1084
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,519
that's a pretty good job of throwing something.

1085
00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: You don't imagine if you're a gambler and you have

1086
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,039
fixed the World Series today and it goes to game six,

1087
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:36,679
you're shitting, you're pains.

1088
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,519
Speaker 2: Oh you're in hell, Yeah, you're in hell.

1089
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1090
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,519
Speaker 2: I mean it takes like a serious talent. Like, Honestly,

1091
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:44,239
if if a gambler was trying to like approach my

1092
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,920
college team, my Division two college team, and they decided like, hey,

1093
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,480
we want to, they probably wouldn't even come to me.

1094
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:50,719
They're like, you can't do anything for us, Like, just

1095
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:51,039
be you.

1096
00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:54,119
Speaker 1: We're not confident you could locate a pitch good or bad.

1097
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:55,519
Speaker 2: It just just be you, buddy.

1098
00:49:55,559 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah uh so. Regardless, Rostein was named by

1099
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,400
some and was called in to test fight, including some players.

1100
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,280
He testified in front of a grand jury. Rostein, for

1101
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:10,239
what it's worth, said that the series was fixed, but

1102
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:12,800
not by him, and his quote on this was the

1103
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,440
whole thing was started by Abe. Tell how many use

1104
00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:16,599
my old timey voice for this?

1105
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:20,199
Speaker 2: Of course, the Mayor Voice and some other cheap gamblers

1106
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,320
decided to frame the series and make a killing.

1107
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: The world knows. I was asked in on the deal,

1108
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,000
and my friends know how I turned it down flat.

1109
00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:29,519
I don't doubt that a Tel used my name to

1110
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:31,800
put it over. That's been done by smart a mend

1111
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,639
than Abe. But I was not in on it, and

1112
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,320
I would not have gone into it and under any circumstance,

1113
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,400
and did not bet a cent on the series after

1114
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,000
I found out what was under way.

1115
00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 2: That makes me think he did it more.

1116
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: At the very least, there's no way he didn't gamble

1117
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,400
on it if he knew it was fixed.

1118
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: For sure, him saying I didn't put a cent on

1119
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,360
the SERI absolutely not.

1120
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: I won't bet on anything that's not on the up

1121
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,519
and up. Yeah, that's literally we know that song.

1122
00:50:57,639 --> 00:51:00,280
Speaker 3: Nobody actually accused him at first. He just on it

1123
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,119
off himself, like oh, that's weird thing to say.

1124
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's like again, if you're a professional gambler,

1125
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,840
there's so little to bet on, Like there's there's far

1126
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,960
less than there is now, Like you've got you've got

1127
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,440
the World Series, which at that time.

1128
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: You think like national stuff. There are a million horse races.

1129
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,159
Horse Racing is the second biggest sport in the country

1130
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:21,360
at this pestri and boxing dudes are woxing matches.

1131
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:24,079
Speaker 3: We got dudes walking all right, they're gambling on it,

1132
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:25,519
just speed walking.

1133
00:51:26,199 --> 00:51:28,639
Speaker 1: And what's funny is I feel like two of the

1134
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:32,599
three sports that we're talking about. You know, Baseball fought

1135
00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:35,199
gambling off as hard as it could and stayed around.

1136
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:37,719
Boxing You guys used to box all the time. Boxing

1137
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:38,840
didn't and is dead.

1138
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,159
Speaker 3: You had to fight every other week.

1139
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then horse racing.

1140
00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:44,159
Speaker 3: Tomato Can after Tomato Can, horse.

1141
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: Racing just walked through the portal and was like, we

1142
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:49,440
are our sport. The whole point of our sport is gambling. Yeah,

1143
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:52,000
there is no other there is no That's why, it's

1144
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,760
why it exists. Yeah, Dan did did you gamble on

1145
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:55,800
the Olympics? Oh?

1146
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:56,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, how'd that go?

1147
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:58,079
Speaker 1: Well?

1148
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 3: Had Lydia coe? Oh good to win the gold medal.

1149
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,079
I also had video code today to win the British.

1150
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,199
Speaker 2: Open, So yeah, a good day for you.

1151
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 3: Almost. Well it's safe. It saved me. I didn't have

1152
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,119
to pay out.

1153
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:12,679
Speaker 1: A lot of times.

1154
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: Dan's victories are not drowning, you know what I mean.

1155
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,599
It's pulling yourself out, finding a quick saying, finding a

1156
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:20,239
floating door.

1157
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:24,599
Speaker 1: But no, man like you need to Essentially, you need

1158
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:27,840
to only bet like you're already down two thousand dollars. Yes,

1159
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:28,880
right you.

1160
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 3: That's when I'm at my best. Yeah, is being able

1161
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:31,920
to pull things out of my ass.

1162
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,039
Speaker 2: You need to be more desperate.

1163
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 3: It's pressure. It's the same thing in basketball. I could

1164
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,920
be like zero for ten in a game. I'm hitting

1165
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,199
the game winning shot like I never missed.

1166
00:52:40,679 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 2: Maybe you just need to take out like a really

1167
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,360
high interest loan and just bet.

1168
00:52:44,639 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 3: I did that. I bets it was called twenty nineteen.

1169
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,440
I maxed out all my credit cards, bought a shit

1170
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:54,400
ton of like film equipment, audio equipment, went all in

1171
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:56,159
on myself, and here we are.

1172
00:52:57,039 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: It's not what he's talking about. Do we really need

1173
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:00,360
a grind speech right now?

1174
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 3: Uh No, I'm saying I got sup bud discover.

1175
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:08,639
Speaker 1: That's because sometimes when you pay a credit, when you

1176
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,679
pay a company to consolidate your debt, they.

1177
00:53:11,639 --> 00:53:12,119
Speaker 3: Don't do it.

1178
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: They don't do it. They just tell you they did.

1179
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 2: That's tough, that's that's good, that's good advice.

1180
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, be on the lookout.

1181
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you ever try to consolidate your debt, don't.

1182
00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 2: Just don't pay it.

1183
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:31,159
Speaker 1: Don't do it. So Michael Alexander, a different historian. He

1184
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:37,760
essentially thinks that Hotel ab Tell the gambler, fixed the series,

1185
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,880
not with Rostein's approval, but Rostin then bent on it

1186
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,960
knowing that it was fixed. A number all do that.

1187
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:52,119
And what's interesting about this, though that's probably more evidence

1188
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:55,639
that Rossting was involved in the fix, is that in

1189
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,239
like a deposition or whatever or testimony delivered to the

1190
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,159
grand jury, a number of white Sox players were like, yes,

1191
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:07,559
it was fixed. Yes, this provided details all of that

1192
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,519
written record, because it's only written at that point, only written.

1193
00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:14,880
There's no video, there's no audio. It is written down

1194
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:20,000
by court reporters. All of that disappeared. And then when

1195
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:24,000
they during the actual trial, none of them would testify again,

1196
00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:26,800
and they all took the fifth it's the way to

1197
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,199
do it. Yeah, but enough about the Black Sox scandal,

1198
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,760
because that's not what he's great for. Rostin is so

1199
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,960
much more than that. In nineteen twenty, prohibition begins and

1200
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:39,880
Rostein has a new fun revenue stream, and that is

1201
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:45,480
illegal booze. He became the biggest bootlaker in the United States. Overnight.

1202
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:46,599
Speaker 3: He fitted the government.

1203
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:51,199
Speaker 1: Yes, oh well, constantly, this man was how alcohol got

1204
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,920
into the United States, specifically through Canada in the northeast.

1205
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 2: So like there's a scene I think in he actually

1206
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,119
started Nascar. I know how Nascar started right and with

1207
00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:01,599
stock cars.

1208
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, boot lakers, Yeah, you know, he indirectly started huge.

1209
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,039
Speaker 2: That's like the Domino, you know, the Domino meme. It's

1210
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:13,320
like the start is like prohibition starts and like Dale

1211
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:14,360
earnhard crashes at this.

1212
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 3: He killed he made a right turn.

1213
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:21,119
Speaker 2: The government. The government killed Dale earnhart By by making

1214
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:21,639
a prohibition.

1215
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, the constitution killed.

1216
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:24,559
Speaker 2: Constitution killed dal learn Heart.

1217
00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:29,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, he became, uh the biggest boot laker. Like I said,

1218
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,280
he also bought a bunch of speakeasies. I mean, this

1219
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,400
guy he was very good, very great business acumen about

1220
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,440
knowing what was going to be hot. He was specifically

1221
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:41,039
in on Scotch whiskey because he knew that having like

1222
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,559
nice booze was going to be like like you were,

1223
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,920
you were like elite, top tier if you had nice

1224
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,360
booze in your house when booze was banned in America.

1225
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,800
Think of like like even if uh, you know, cocaine

1226
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,679
is a scary drug or whatever, if someone you trust

1227
00:55:57,519 --> 00:56:01,239
deeply is like, look, you don't do cookine, but I have.

1228
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:04,599
I can assure you this is the purest coke of

1229
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,920
all time. I watched it be made.

1230
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: It is incredible from the jungle, which is like a

1231
00:56:10,039 --> 00:56:13,320
key bump. This is jungle cocaine. Look, you've gotta do it.

1232
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,559
Speaker 1: It's just how it is, just my friend fucking I'm

1233
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:17,960
not you know, like obviously that's different than a bathroom

1234
00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:19,639
bump at you know, three in the morning from a

1235
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:23,159
stranger like park coke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Uh So

1236
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:26,760
Rostein was also responsible. So Rostein did all this. He

1237
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,119
saw Booze going off and he was like, people like

1238
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:33,400
getting fucked up, which leads me to believe they might

1239
00:56:33,559 --> 00:56:39,559
like getting really really really really fucked up. Maybe. So

1240
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,360
he was like, booze is one thing, but I'm gonna

1241
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:48,559
start bringing in drugs. And this man was responsible for

1242
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,840
the I don't know how to put this, the industrialization

1243
00:56:54,320 --> 00:57:01,519
and like widespread capitalismization of the drug market in the

1244
00:57:01,679 --> 00:57:06,239
United States. He started bringing over cocaine and heroin in

1245
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:10,480
huge quantities from Europe, where it was still legal to

1246
00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:13,039
manufacture and stuff like that at the time. I mean,

1247
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:16,079
this was like borderline medicinal still in the in the

1248
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:16,960
early twenties.

1249
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: But he made it fun.

1250
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he kind of I mean an innovator though if

1251
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,119
he if like if he made the drug industry what

1252
00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:27,800
it is again, that little domino you can you see

1253
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,679
so like Arnold Rostein Josh Hamilton in the two thousand

1254
00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:32,760
and eight Derby.

1255
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 3: Josh Hamilton underthrowing a fan and that guy cut like

1256
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:37,800
falling to his death.

1257
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:44,159
Speaker 1: Arl Rostein butterfly effected that man's death into existence in

1258
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:45,719
a I mean, you can.

1259
00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:48,239
Speaker 2: Draw, you can forget that Josh Hamilton line. Under threw

1260
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,960
that man. Uh people remember? Yeah, the statue outside, there's

1261
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,239
definitely a statue of it, is there. I think of

1262
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:55,639
the fan, Yeah, the fan of his son. I think

1263
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:56,280
there's a statue out.

1264
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. They removed the Hamilton statue at the old stadium.

1265
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 2: I can't remember visit the old state in the new stadium,

1266
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,239
but I believe there is a statue of the man

1267
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,360
who died and his child at the Yeah.

1268
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think have been to those stadiums.

1269
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 2: I haven't been to the new one. He had to

1270
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:10,199
have the old one.

1271
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,079
Speaker 1: Yes, it's literally across the small stat I've seen.

1272
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:15,519
Speaker 2: I've seen it. The big barbecue girl. Still I just

1273
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:16,679
still just have not taken in.

1274
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: A game glove. Life's fine, Yeah, it's fine.

1275
00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:21,199
Speaker 2: The old one was beautiful. It was just a furnace.

1276
00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:26,199
Speaker 1: Beautiful stadium horrible, Yeah, beautiful state, the hottest place on earth.

1277
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,679
Speaker 3: What does Hamilton doing these days? Off the wagon?

1278
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,239
Speaker 1: He has went on and off again.

1279
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:32,039
Speaker 2: He's been very quiet to.

1280
00:58:33,559 --> 00:58:34,039
Speaker 1: The news.

1281
00:58:34,239 --> 00:58:39,079
Speaker 2: The news on him has not been strong. No career no, yeah, yeah,

1282
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:39,639
it hasn't been.

1283
00:58:39,719 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 3: The Lord didn't work.

1284
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,679
Speaker 1: Well, might come back around, Yeah, you know for a bit,

1285
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,880
it did, Okay, comes and goes.

1286
00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 3: It's like a band aid.

1287
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: Look, sometimes when Jesus carries you, you have to want

1288
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,599
to be carried. Okay, when there's one set of footprints

1289
00:58:55,639 --> 00:58:57,519
on the beach, you have to consent to the carry.

1290
00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:02,079
That eight SE's and was fucking sick though, like the

1291
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:02,880
best the.

1292
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:03,639
Speaker 3: Home run Derby.

1293
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: Remember who won that home in Derby?

1294
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: Oh?

1295
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,639
Speaker 3: Another dude. It was a first basement for the Twins.

1296
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was legend Monroe more now more?

1297
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,039
Speaker 1: Oh boy? What could have been with those teams? This

1298
00:59:18,159 --> 00:59:20,239
is why, this is why I kind of like am

1299
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,480
getting like very out on not out on baseball, because

1300
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,199
I still love baseball. But it's just like like the

1301
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,280
Braves are in the middle of like a win win

1302
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,679
winning window. They already have one, Yeah you got one,

1303
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,440
but like but it's they're so good that it's like, Okay,

1304
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,559
I want more than one because I've already lived that life.

1305
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 2: I just I couldn't have less empathy. I know, I

1306
00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:39,679
just couldn't. I know, couldn't have west I know.

1307
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,199
Speaker 1: But it's we're in dynasty mode, all right, but it

1308
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:43,719
is this type of thing. It's like it doesn't like.

1309
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 3: No, you guys blow, you're not making possibly be.

1310
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: And then just don't win and don't win.

1311
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 3: Sam A's missoo you're not gonna make the playoffs this year.

1312
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,519
You're like, that's going to be a lot of your

1313
00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:52,760
fucking disappointment.

1314
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:58,239
Speaker 1: Goddamn G six team or G four dude, No, your

1315
00:59:58,519 --> 01:00:00,360
you think you're P four, but really your G seven.

1316
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:01,280
That's what it is.

1317
01:00:01,519 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 3: Seven we win the Big twelve, we're in, that's what

1318
01:00:04,119 --> 01:00:04,840
we get a path.

1319
01:00:04,719 --> 01:00:06,599
Speaker 1: That's gonna I know. It makes me want to puke

1320
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:09,400
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them like I mean he was take placing full like

1366
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,639
orders from factories. Right. The drug trade before that, as

1367
01:02:18,679 --> 01:02:21,960
I mentioned earlier, was basically just like small time street

1368
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,760
dealers would steal their shit from hospitals, from UH trains

1369
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,639
and wagons, stuff like that. Maybe they would place like

1370
01:02:29,239 --> 01:02:33,360
medium sized orders from Canada, but like nothing that would

1371
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,320
be sufficient to more than like a small gang to deal.

1372
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,320
Do you know what I mean? Like this is Pablo

1373
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,880
Escobar shit like he is the first Pablo Escobar in

1374
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North America?

1375
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Speaker 3: Was he in two exotic animals?

1376
01:02:45,199 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: No, sadly he didn't have time for it.

1377
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 2: Dude, we if he had been, we could have hippo.

1378
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:50,840
There could be hippos running all over it.

1379
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,639
Speaker 3: Oh, we already discussed there should be hippos in New Orleans.

1380
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: They tried. There was a brief plan when there was

1381
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,039
a beef shortage at some point to eat around the

1382
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:04,079
same time, maybe a little earlier, to populate New Orleans.

1383
01:03:04,159 --> 01:03:07,719
I'm sorry, Louisiana's swamps with hippos, and we would harvest

1384
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:08,360
their meat.

1385
01:03:08,679 --> 01:03:09,679
Speaker 3: It's apparently really good.

1386
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,079
Speaker 2: I've seen too many cute videos of Fiona the hippo

1387
01:03:13,159 --> 01:03:17,159
from the Cincinnati zoo especially, I don't know if i'd

1388
01:03:17,199 --> 01:03:17,800
be eating.

1389
01:03:18,159 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 3: They're also responsible for the They're responsible for the most

1390
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,119
deaths in the world.

1391
01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:24,559
Speaker 2: Oh, extremely dangerous hippos.

1392
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 3: I get it New Orleans, Louisiana, and like that's a

1393
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,440
total avoid area if there's hippos.

1394
01:03:29,519 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 2: But like, watching a grown hippo eat a watermelon at

1395
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:33,599
a zoo brings me a lot.

1396
01:03:33,519 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: Of joy I just think about how that could be

1397
01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:38,519
my skull, and I'm like, I'll you first, I would

1398
01:03:38,519 --> 01:03:41,239
try a hippostiak. It feels blood.

1399
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 2: Burger chain with like hippo meat.

1400
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 3: Do didn't you say it was like utrable with venison,

1401
01:03:47,239 --> 01:03:48,280
which sounds kind of dope.

1402
01:03:48,719 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it depends some oily meat. Like have

1403
01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:52,719
you guys ever eaten goose?

1404
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:53,559
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1405
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 2: I've never eaten goose.

1406
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,079
Speaker 1: It sucked. It was so fucking oily.

1407
01:03:58,679 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 2: I would assume that, like billionaire yachts, you could probably

1408
01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:02,480
get like a hippo steak.

1409
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I want something more endangered.

1410
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,159
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why the whales are coming after him. Solidarity, well,

1411
01:04:08,199 --> 01:04:10,800
the whales that are left, Yeah, solidarity. I don't know.

1412
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:15,159
I'll try almost anything once, like I take it back.

1413
01:04:15,199 --> 01:04:17,119
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would try once if it's already dead,

1414
01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:18,639
you know what I mean, I'd need a dolphin sausage.

1415
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,400
I didn't kill it, Yeah, human, I would not do that.

1416
01:04:22,519 --> 01:04:25,199
I would not do that, Okay, So, but even if

1417
01:04:25,239 --> 01:04:28,320
it was consensual, because like there's a story one time

1418
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:29,920
about how a dude he had to have his foot

1419
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,960
severed and he cooked his foot for his friend, there's

1420
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:33,760
no fucking way.

1421
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think. I mean obviously there's like the

1422
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:41,000
desperate time, their dinner party, that the flight.

1423
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: The Brazilian soccer team or whatever.

1424
01:04:43,199 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 2: Guayan I think, yeah, yeah, that one, you know, desperate times,

1425
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,239
desperate measures. But do you have to yeah?

1426
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: And then oh the other one, the other only other

1427
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,599
way you could eat a human where it's like semi

1428
01:04:55,719 --> 01:05:01,199
kosher is uh uh? Like a placenta? Yeah, I mean,

1429
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,800
would you need some placenta calamari I'm gonna pass.

1430
01:05:04,119 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: It's going to be a hard passed.

1431
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would. I get stem cells from it?

1432
01:05:07,159 --> 01:05:10,199
Speaker 1: Right? Probably not after it's bread and deep fried and

1433
01:05:10,239 --> 01:05:15,880
tips in aol ages. But who yeah yeah, uh so

1434
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:21,719
Rostein was again love attention, Uh that never went away.

1435
01:05:22,159 --> 01:05:25,119
He would actually once he became this big and this famous,

1436
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:28,440
he would invite journalists to write about him and everything

1437
01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:30,679
he was doing. And uh, he didn't worry about the

1438
01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:33,519
police reading it because he owned the cops in New York. Keith,

1439
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,440
there was he was. There was no one who could

1440
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:41,079
get him in trouble. He was essentially not only was

1441
01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:47,559
he the first cartel drug dealer in the Americas maybe anywhere,

1442
01:05:48,159 --> 01:05:52,880
he was essentially one of the maybe even the George

1443
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,360
Washington on the Mount Rushmore of founding fathers of modern

1444
01:05:56,599 --> 01:06:01,599
organized crime. This man invented, or Cohen invented everything you

1445
01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:04,559
think about when you think about twentieth century organized crime,

1446
01:06:04,639 --> 01:06:08,360
the godfather, anything like that, even like breaking bad like

1447
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:09,679
the cartels and stuff and that.

1448
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 3: Did he have his own Tommy gun?

1449
01:06:11,519 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: He didn't know. He didn't fuck with that. He didn't

1450
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,079
need to. I mean he killed, he had people killed,

1451
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:18,840
but he didn't kill anyone. Okay, never took a life.

1452
01:06:19,199 --> 01:06:19,599
Speaker 2: This man.

1453
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:20,679
Speaker 1: He did.

1454
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 3: He talks what did he talk like the nineteen twentieskangster.

1455
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,599
Speaker 2: Yeah we'll get in there, Sae, Yeah, we'll get to that.

1456
01:06:26,719 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: He did. He did.

1457
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 2: So you talk about the journalist like I all I

1458
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,239
see him is like being sworn by all these reports

1459
01:06:32,239 --> 01:06:32,639
as you know.

1460
01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:35,119
Speaker 1: So he held court, babe, He held court on the

1461
01:06:35,159 --> 01:06:37,639
street essentially, and yeah, reports come on.

1462
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 2: Like Rosting got a good test today, You affected any

1463
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,519
rights today, And he'd be like, I don't know yet

1464
01:06:42,599 --> 01:06:44,559
talking about it. Ah, I'm all on the up and up,

1465
01:06:44,599 --> 01:06:47,599
but hey, maybe you should bet uh Pharaoh's chom and

1466
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:48,800
see how cold.

1467
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: Like it's like that type of like winky bullshit. Essentially,

1468
01:06:53,159 --> 01:06:54,920
he actually will get to it. But he held court

1469
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,159
outside of a deli in Loube will get I can't

1470
01:06:58,159 --> 01:07:00,079
remember that. But held court outside of a Delai, a

1471
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:04,000
famous deli in New York. So he again needed attention,

1472
01:07:04,199 --> 01:07:08,719
wanted credit for being such a big shot or whatever.

1473
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:15,440
He essentially, by the mid nineteen twenties had, like I said,

1474
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,440
he controlled the entire heroin and cocaine trade on the

1475
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:24,440
Eastern Seaboard. He invented modern organized crime as we know it.

1476
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:26,440
He owned the police so much that at one point

1477
01:07:26,639 --> 01:07:29,599
two detectives broke into one of his illegal dens, did

1478
01:07:29,719 --> 01:07:32,480
not knowing he was there. He shot at them, suspecting

1479
01:07:32,519 --> 01:07:34,000
them were robbers. Didn't know who they were even there

1480
01:07:34,039 --> 01:07:36,320
were cops. The judge dismissed the case. Judges were in

1481
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,639
his pockets too, and a journalist wrote in one of

1482
01:07:38,679 --> 01:07:41,880
the New York papers, a little pistol practice with policemen

1483
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:45,559
as targets? Or he wrote, what's a little police pistol

1484
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:47,920
practice with policeman's targets when you're a old Rosting? Like

1485
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:49,840
you're allowed to shoot a cops when you're old Rossting.

1486
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,599
One day, he even met with a one of the

1487
01:07:55,679 --> 01:07:58,119
richest guys in Europe in a hotel. This guy was

1488
01:07:58,159 --> 01:08:01,280
so rich that when the Germans UH conquered Belgium in

1489
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,559
World War One, he allegedly asked them how much it

1490
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:06,119
would cost just to buy it back and get them

1491
01:08:06,159 --> 01:08:06,559
out of there.

1492
01:08:08,199 --> 01:08:11,079
Speaker 2: You know, I I'm sure there are criminals who are

1493
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,320
just as powerful now, but the fact that he was

1494
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,920
this powerful and this famous is incredible.

1495
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:18,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't exist.

1496
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:20,159
Speaker 2: You can't be both, No, Yeah, you gotta, you gotta

1497
01:08:20,199 --> 01:08:23,000
pick one if you're the name of oligarchs.

1498
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in America, the cartel what in the name

1499
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,000
named Choppo Chapo still.

1500
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 3: Control ship from prison.

1501
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:32,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1502
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 2: But like if you're a famous criminal, he's not in America.

1503
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,039
Speaker 1: I mean, he's in prison in America, but he didn't

1504
01:08:37,079 --> 01:08:38,239
operate in America. He was Mexican.

1505
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:39,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he controls the border.

1506
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,359
Speaker 2: I feel like, now, if you're a famous criminal, you've

1507
01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:45,119
been caught, whereas like he was just like operating. He

1508
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:48,479
was just just as free as he could be and

1509
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,319
ever and everyone knew he was a criminal, which is yes, that's.

1510
01:08:52,199 --> 01:08:54,079
Speaker 3: Power, all right, So who's the last one? Pablo?

1511
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: But in the United States, that's Pablo had so.

1512
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 3: Much influence on the US.

1513
01:08:59,039 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: But he was not based. He's not America based. That's

1514
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,720
the difference. Like, this guy is based in Manhattan, Bud Seedleig,

1515
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,399
maybe crime boss. It's probably a casino owner. I would

1516
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:11,800
imagine some casino magnate.

1517
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:13,039
Speaker 3: Oh anybody in Vegas.

1518
01:09:13,159 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that would be my guess. In nineteen

1519
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:20,399
twenty one, Rostein pulled off his greatest sports gambling scandal.

1520
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,760
That's confirmed. He secretly owned a racehorse named Sporting Blood.

1521
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:26,840
It was going to race in the nineteen twenty one

1522
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,520
Travers Stakes in Saratoga, New York. To drive up the

1523
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,680
odds on Sporting Blood, who was a popular racehorse, so

1524
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,079
it was going to get a lot of action, Rostein

1525
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:40,000
conspired with the trainer Sam Hildreth. He was a trainer

1526
01:09:40,079 --> 01:09:42,119
of Gray Leg who was like one of the best

1527
01:09:42,199 --> 01:09:46,159
horses in the country, so that caused sporting sporting bloods

1528
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:47,560
odds to go up to three to one. They entered

1529
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,520
gray Leg last minute, like the day of or the

1530
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,600
day before, so his odds rose. Rostein put one hundred

1531
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,439
and fifty grand on his horse at three to one

1532
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,920
instead of probably even on there, maybe one and a

1533
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,399
half to one. Just before post time, without explanation, gray

1534
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:06,720
Leg was scratched and Rossin horse won and collected. He

1535
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:07,960
collected over five hundred grand.

1536
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:09,560
Speaker 3: Gray Leg had a broken leg.

1537
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 2: They never explained why they're just like gray Leg scratched

1538
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:15,079
became glue a little sick.

1539
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:15,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1540
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:20,119
Speaker 1: By the nineteen twenties, uh, Rothstein basically ran the entire

1541
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:23,760
city of New York. His nicknames included the Brain, which

1542
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,399
is what he liked to be referred to as mister Big,

1543
01:10:27,079 --> 01:10:30,119
the Fixer, the man up town, and the big bank roll.

1544
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 2: Uh.

1545
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: He was also pretty high on his own supply in

1546
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:37,920
terms of intelligence. He once said there are two million

1547
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,760
fools and only one brainy man. So he was just like,

1548
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,119
I'm smarter than everybody, which seems accurate.

1549
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,159
Speaker 2: To be honest, he was just talking about sack. He

1550
01:10:45,279 --> 01:10:47,800
just had a really big wrinkly the thing. I mean,

1551
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,239
he had no reason to not be like he's. It

1552
01:10:50,319 --> 01:10:54,279
seems seemingly gotten away with literally every everything. Yeah he's

1553
01:10:54,319 --> 01:10:57,279
on a he's he's heat checking constant. Yeah, he's like

1554
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,760
reverse Scooby Doo villain. I would have gotten away for it.

1555
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:02,079
I would have got away with it too, except I did.

1556
01:11:02,359 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was.

1557
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: He was also the mentor of several future very famous

1558
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:12,359
New York crime bosses, including Lucky Lucky, Luciano Meyer, Langski Lanski,

1559
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,439
Frank Costello, and Bugsy Siegel.

1560
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,039
Speaker 2: Cannot wait to watch Bordwalk Empire again. This has getting

1561
01:11:19,039 --> 01:11:22,319
me like super Solute, all those Boardwalk Umpire characters.

1562
01:11:22,359 --> 01:11:24,159
Speaker 3: I can't imagine the sense. Well though it never does.

1563
01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:25,399
Speaker 1: King doesn't. It doesn't.

1564
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 3: It can't leave the business just retiring.

1565
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: So Rossine began making money at one point simply by

1566
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,199
more or less being the kingpin and running the entire city.

1567
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,000
And so he would settle disputes between rival gangs and

1568
01:11:37,279 --> 01:11:39,640
be a go between and between you know, the government

1569
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,800
and the gangs. And of course he charged good money

1570
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,159
for that. His favorite quote office was Lindy's, the Deli

1571
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,119
at Broadway and forty ninth Street in Manhattan. He carried

1572
01:11:49,159 --> 01:11:50,880
up to one hundred thousand dollars in cash on him

1573
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:51,640
at any given time.

1574
01:11:52,279 --> 01:11:54,239
Speaker 2: He would have had zero problems with the tooth fairy.

1575
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,239
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah right. If anything, a kid would have been

1576
01:11:57,279 --> 01:11:58,079
like your Jackie.

1577
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 3: Walk so Floyd Mayweather could run this million dollar bag.

1578
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,359
Speaker 1: His wife wrote about him in a book that has

1579
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:08,039
since vanished from everywhere except the Library of Congress, which

1580
01:12:08,079 --> 01:12:10,880
I think is interesting. He often stood on the corner,

1581
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:14,920
surrounded by bodyguards at Lindy's at the Delhi He Essentially

1582
01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:18,000
that's where he made bets, collected bets, did other kind

1583
01:12:18,039 --> 01:12:19,960
of business dealings. His office was just the corner. He

1584
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:23,039
would be out there like a fucking postman. Rain shine, snow,

1585
01:12:23,239 --> 01:12:24,960
the weather did not matter. He was on the corner,

1586
01:12:25,079 --> 01:12:29,800
on the street, corner doing business, standing there, doing business constantly.

1587
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,279
But on November fourth, nineteen twenty eight, his empire came

1588
01:12:34,399 --> 01:12:38,439
suddenly crashing down. Rostein was shot and wounded during a

1589
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:42,359
business meeting and Manhattan's Park Central Hotel on Seventh Avenue

1590
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:47,159
near fifty fifth Street. Allegedly, Rostein had lost three hundred

1591
01:12:47,159 --> 01:12:50,159
and twenty k in a three day long high stakes

1592
01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:52,760
poker game, but refused to pay because he thought the

1593
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:53,479
game was fixed.

1594
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:58,119
Speaker 3: So always a card again, always takes that at mill again,

1595
01:12:58,159 --> 01:12:59,399
but like they're refusing to pay.

1596
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 2: It's just the I when on my podcast, like when

1597
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,199
I talk with like movies, Like the number one rule

1598
01:13:09,239 --> 01:13:11,880
in movies is never die for somebody else's money. The

1599
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,920
number two rule is, like, more often than I, don't

1600
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:15,760
die for your own money.

1601
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:16,399
Speaker 3: Pay your debts.

1602
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, pay your debts. Don't die for your own money,

1603
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,079
like you can always make it back. And certainly never

1604
01:13:21,159 --> 01:13:22,319
die for anyone else's money.

1605
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: No, never, So he did die for his own money. Technically,

1606
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,880
according to the biographer of a noted gambler of the

1607
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,359
era who was in on the fix, his name was

1608
01:13:34,399 --> 01:13:36,720
Titanic Thompson. I will be doing an episode with him

1609
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,239
because he's great in his own right. It was Thompson

1610
01:13:39,279 --> 01:13:43,960
who fixed the game against Rostein. Essentially, Rostein actually lost

1611
01:13:44,039 --> 01:13:46,439
most of his money based on a lot of complicated

1612
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,319
side bets. Rostein ended up owing three hundred and nineteen

1613
01:13:50,359 --> 01:13:53,279
grand to a different gambler who promised to pay most

1614
01:13:53,319 --> 01:13:55,840
of that money to Thompson. He lost thirty grand to

1615
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,880
Thompson himself and about two hundred grand to other gamblers present.

1616
01:14:01,279 --> 01:14:05,359
Rossin apparently also tried to stall in paying because at

1617
01:14:05,399 --> 01:14:06,960
first I guess he's gonna pay, but he was like,

1618
01:14:07,239 --> 01:14:09,199
I gotta wait till some more cash comes in, gotta

1619
01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:11,880
get little more liquid. But good news, I have money

1620
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,960
on both Herbert Hoover winning the presidency in twenty eight

1621
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,600
and FDR winning the New York governorship. So like, those

1622
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,319
bets are gonna cash and I'll be able to pay

1623
01:14:20,359 --> 01:14:24,079
you back. But alas he was shot and killed and

1624
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:28,199
the gambler, George Hump McManus was arrested for the murder,

1625
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but later acquitted due to a lack of evidence.

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01:14:32,359 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 2: Did did he owe McManus money?

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01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:37,560
Speaker 1: Yes, McManus was one of the people at the game.

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01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 3: McManus sounds like a goon, though Hump his name is Hump.

1629
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 2: That also doesn't seem like a way to get paid.

1630
01:14:44,039 --> 01:14:44,279
Speaker 1: You're not.

1631
01:14:44,279 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 2: You don't get your money back at that point. That's

1632
01:14:46,119 --> 01:14:47,760
that's unless you know he carries one.

1633
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,359
Speaker 1: Hundred grand on him at all times and you're gonna

1634
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:54,760
just take take yeah. Thompson testified Titanic. Thompson testified mcmanis's child,

1635
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:58,119
describing him as a swell loser who would never have

1636
01:14:58,199 --> 01:15:02,079
shot Rossine over money. Thompson later told some of his

1637
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:04,560
acquaintances that the killer had not been McManus, but his

1638
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:09,199
own bagman, hymen Biller, who coincidentally went to live a

1639
01:15:09,319 --> 01:15:11,720
nice life in Cuba right after Rostein was murdered.

1640
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,359
Speaker 2: Is that who hymen Roth from Godfather Too? Is based off?

1641
01:15:15,119 --> 01:15:18,399
Speaker 1: Is based on Rostin, named for rost named for Rostin.

1642
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:19,479
He's named for Rostin.

1643
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:20,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe.

1644
01:15:20,319 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: Actually there's a deleted scene I learned in The Godfather

1645
01:15:23,119 --> 01:15:26,479
where the hymen Roth character meets Vito Young Vido Collion

1646
01:15:27,119 --> 01:15:31,560
in Godfather Too and is like he has like a

1647
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,760
very just old world jewelish name, right like Schmoley Smoley,

1648
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:40,319
like just crazy ethnic sounding name, and Vito Coleon is like,

1649
01:15:40,359 --> 01:15:43,399
you gotta change, like whatever. And he's like, well, who

1650
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:45,039
what do you change? Who do you admire? And he

1651
01:15:45,119 --> 01:15:47,319
mentions like I admire all Rostin, And so he changes

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01:15:47,319 --> 01:15:48,239
his name to hymen Roth.

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01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,319
Speaker 3: Tom takes him out, but his boy knows he's got

1654
01:15:51,359 --> 01:15:54,000
a hundred grand on on at all times, takes the cash,

1655
01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:57,199
goes to Cuba, makes out has a nice little life.

1656
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred grand in cubaineteen twenty eight.

1657
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're good to go.

1658
01:16:02,359 --> 01:16:02,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1659
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: Another gangster biographer claims it was Dutch Schultz who murdered Rostin.

1660
01:16:07,079 --> 01:16:10,239
He says that was in retaliation for one of Schultz's friends.

1661
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 3: Of the three names, I would prefer to be taken

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01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:14,439
out by Dutch Schultz, it's just the best.

1663
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 2: Dut Schultz is a good Yeah, it's got the best.

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01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 3: Ring to it. I don't want to get again. I

1665
01:16:18,039 --> 01:16:19,439
don't want to get taken out by a guy named

1666
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:22,840
Hump Hump. Yeah, that's just bad optings. It's not good

1667
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:24,800
rosting for what it's worth.

1668
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,520
Speaker 1: Apparently knew who shot him, but never told anyone because

1669
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:28,960
he didn't die right away. He died two days later

1670
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:29,560
in the hospital.

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01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,199
Speaker 2: At first, that's what Cameron. No snitching.

1672
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: He didn't snitch, no snitching. At first. When he was shot,

1673
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,960
he told his men, get me a taxi. And when

1674
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,199
the cops came, because they came before the taxi came,

1675
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,159
they asked who did it, and Rostine said, if I live,

1676
01:16:46,199 --> 01:16:48,000
I'll tend to it. If I die, the gang will.

1677
01:16:49,039 --> 01:16:53,119
Then he kept being interrogated in the hospital and the

1678
01:16:53,159 --> 01:16:57,199
police were like, Arnold, were your friends you pay us

1679
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,319
who fucking shot you? And he wouldn't tell, and we

1680
01:17:00,399 --> 01:17:03,960
kept telling them in gangster talk, you stick to you trade,

1681
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,000
I'll stick to mine and me Muda did it, just

1682
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,399
wouldn't say it, wouldn't wouldn't give it up. I kind

1683
01:17:10,399 --> 01:17:11,920
of think the police should have arrested his mom.

1684
01:17:12,039 --> 01:17:15,560
Speaker 3: Lived by the code, died by the code. I had to.

1685
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,039
Speaker 2: I had to confirm that that was the uh, the

1686
01:17:18,119 --> 01:17:20,800
rapper Cameron who was shot and then refused to give

1687
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:21,520
up who shot him.

1688
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, yeah, I would give it up immediately. But

1689
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:26,520
I I respect saying people.

1690
01:17:27,039 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 3: I like twenty one savage who took the murder weapon

1691
01:17:31,079 --> 01:17:33,520
or the weapon that was used to shoot him and

1692
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:34,680
then murder that guy.

1693
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 1: That's sick. Also, yeah, that's pretty solid, but that one savage.

1694
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,640
But that is that's all I got today. Arl Rostein

1695
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,039
died two days after he was shot. His empire was

1696
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:50,439
divided up amongst his lackeys and cronies and rivals, and

1697
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:54,479
then in the thirties, to a SA extent, the mayor

1698
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,880
Firella LaGuardia was elected in New York and he kind

1699
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,239
of cracked down an organized crime and had a Orbal

1700
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:05,319
airport named after him. But Yeah, Arnold Rosstein died in

1701
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:09,439
twenty eight, relatively young, in his fifties I think forties,

1702
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,720
probably forties. But yeah, that's all I got. Would you

1703
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:14,720
guys learn today?

1704
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:19,239
Speaker 2: I got some excellent context for next time I watched

1705
01:18:19,239 --> 01:18:21,439
Boardwalk Empire. Yeah, I know, I don't think this like

1706
01:18:22,279 --> 01:18:25,039
in case if you're listening or watching, like if if

1707
01:18:25,119 --> 01:18:28,079
I haven't conveyed this enough, I highly recommend Boardwalk Empire.

1708
01:18:28,159 --> 01:18:30,920
I think at this time, at this point like underrated.

1709
01:18:31,159 --> 01:18:32,439
I can talk about a nine percent.

1710
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 1: I think it suffered from being in a sort of

1711
01:18:37,239 --> 01:18:42,319
lull HBO lull post Sopranos Sopranos, and it was post

1712
01:18:42,399 --> 01:18:46,079
Deadwood and it was before Game of Thrones, so like

1713
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,399
that was at that time. This is what's funny too,

1714
01:18:48,399 --> 01:18:51,039
because this is a sick time on HBO, like True

1715
01:18:51,079 --> 01:18:54,800
Blood before the fifth season was fantastic, and Boardwalk Empire

1716
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,640
was fucking fantastic, and like people were like, oh, there'd

1717
01:18:58,640 --> 01:18:59,960
be even having any good shows anymore.

1718
01:19:00,039 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 2: I think Boardwalk Empire gets punished for not being as

1719
01:19:03,039 --> 01:19:05,439
good as The Wire Sopranos, which is fine because like

1720
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:09,439
very few shows are, and also got punished for because

1721
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,399
Martin Scorsese was like attached to it. I think he

1722
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:15,119
directed the pilot and then he produced it, and I

1723
01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:18,279
think it like it gets lobbed up into expectations of

1724
01:19:18,399 --> 01:19:21,000
like it needs to be like good Fellas or something.

1725
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,239
Speaker 3: At the same time, though probably way more watchable than

1726
01:19:23,279 --> 01:19:26,159
The Wire. Yeah, because a lot of people it's hard

1727
01:19:26,199 --> 01:19:29,720
to get into an absolutely excellent period piece.

1728
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, it's it's like I I enjoyed a lot.

1729
01:19:33,239 --> 01:19:37,039
I think season two is like fucking dynamite, and then

1730
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,760
Bobby cana Valley in season three is I'm pretty sure

1731
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,239
he wont Emmy for it. He's an incredible villain in

1732
01:19:43,359 --> 01:19:43,680
that one.

1733
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,399
Speaker 1: I will say Rostin, from what I've seen in the show,

1734
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,720
a bit more sophisticated as a person.

1735
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:55,079
Speaker 2: Seems very like measured. Yeah, very doesn't seem very flamboyant

1736
01:19:55,119 --> 01:19:58,840
at all. Like the character is very much like doesn't

1737
01:19:59,039 --> 01:20:02,039
like people knowing his business, and like seems very this guy.

1738
01:20:02,199 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: This guy seems a little more a little bit of

1739
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:04,640
like Gus Fring.

1740
01:20:05,119 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, where Gus Fring is like, I I am

1741
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:09,439
just your I am just a chicken salesman.

1742
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1743
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: Like it's very smart, very quiet, and Rostein does not

1744
01:20:13,039 --> 01:20:14,319
appear to have been that way at all?

1745
01:20:15,159 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 2: Did that act more bombastic?

1746
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:20,640
Speaker 3: What that actor got pretty uh stereotyped with every role

1747
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:24,520
he has now moving forward, he's in The Gentleman. He's

1748
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:28,479
in The Gentleman as essentially like a drug kingping, same character.

1749
01:20:29,359 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 1: He is that way everything. What did you learn to do?

1750
01:20:31,279 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 3: I learned that I have a man to model my

1751
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:33,279
life after.

1752
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:36,159
Speaker 2: Pat Burrell.

1753
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:41,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, those same dudes. Let's finish it off

1754
01:20:41,239 --> 01:20:41,960
by name of dudes.

1755
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 1: Well, the name of dude is in Who's whose dude

1756
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:46,600
is today's Hitler.

1757
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:48,560
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna go with the obvious. It's gonna be Hump.

1758
01:20:49,319 --> 01:20:52,319
I'm accusing Hump of not only murdering our boy here,

1759
01:20:53,319 --> 01:20:55,520
but just having bad Brandon.

1760
01:20:56,279 --> 01:20:58,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't have no way. That was a good

1761
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:00,960
nickname even then, you know something thinks are lost to history,

1762
01:21:01,399 --> 01:21:03,079
sort of lost to the translation of time.

1763
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:10,159
Speaker 2: But it's never been a good thing. You can't have

1764
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:11,159
never been a good thing.

1765
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 3: I'm just imagining the nineteen twenties version of the Hump

1766
01:21:15,039 --> 01:21:15,920
back from three hundred.

1767
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1768
01:21:17,199 --> 01:21:18,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's who got him.

1769
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:23,279
Speaker 1: Yeah sad, that's who got Leonidis too, kind of yeah, yeah,

1770
01:21:24,079 --> 01:21:27,359
the the information led to it, Yeah yeah, who's today's

1771
01:21:27,399 --> 01:21:29,199
I don't know if you knows today Hitler means today's

1772
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:31,800
a villain because in history of everyone just likes to

1773
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:33,119
bring up Hitler immediately.

1774
01:21:33,399 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 2: You know what, Uh, Arnold Rosstein's dad for not supporting

1775
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:37,359
his marriage.

1776
01:21:38,279 --> 01:21:41,600
Speaker 1: It's fair. I think that's a I think it's a

1777
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:43,319
bad reason. I don't know that would have changed anything

1778
01:21:43,359 --> 01:21:44,199
in Arnold. I don't.

1779
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 2: I don't, Yeah, I don't. I don't think so either.

1780
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:50,399
But honestly, I'm you know, I believe that, like you know,

1781
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:52,920
sometimes like kids, kids are going to be their own people.

1782
01:21:53,279 --> 01:21:56,319
But if you raise one of the most notorious criminals

1783
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,279
this world has ever seen, this country has ever seen, Yeah,

1784
01:21:59,319 --> 01:22:00,399
you probably do something.

1785
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,159
Speaker 1: He is literally on the mount Rushmore of of I've

1786
01:22:03,319 --> 01:22:04,520
organized crime in the United States.

1787
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:06,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, you should get a little credit as a father.

1788
01:22:06,399 --> 01:22:10,039
Speaker 2: We've like for as much as we've like maligned, like

1789
01:22:11,119 --> 01:22:13,880
like Marv Marinovich for how his kid turned out. Like,

1790
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,239
I think Arnold Rosstein's father probably deserved some blame.

1791
01:22:16,359 --> 01:22:18,119
Speaker 1: It's probably it's not great if you're just a dick.

1792
01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:20,039
Give him a little more attention. Yeah, you can't just

1793
01:22:20,199 --> 01:22:21,840
lavish all the praise on Harry.

1794
01:22:22,079 --> 01:22:25,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly the world didn't need another rabbi.

1795
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:29,199
Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna either when we two. Oh you're saying

1796
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:32,239
Harry wasn't that special. Yeah, I mean that's fair. It's

1797
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:34,880
just going into You can be a priest, you can

1798
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:38,199
be a rabbit whatever. Who cares. Arnold was did the

1799
01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:41,680
big There's only one Arnold? Yeah, truly he.

1800
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,119
Speaker 3: I mean he made a name for himself in this world.

1801
01:22:44,239 --> 01:22:47,079
We're talking about him now, not talking about his bitch

1802
01:22:47,119 --> 01:22:47,560
ass brother.

1803
01:22:48,039 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: No, No, just a footnote.

1804
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:53,239
Speaker 2: He's in zero movies, no brother. Uh.

1805
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,319
Speaker 1: That is all I got for today, one more time.

1806
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:59,199
Kyle's movie or Kyle's book rather, I'm sorry, is movies

1807
01:23:00,119 --> 01:23:01,960
with balls. Where can they find this? Kyle?

1808
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,319
Speaker 2: It is available for pre order everywhere books are sold.

1809
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,640
That's Amazon, that's Barnes and Noble, that's bookshop dot org,

1810
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,319
which will buy a book from a local used bookstore

1811
01:23:12,359 --> 01:23:15,000
and for pre orders. If you d m me on

1812
01:23:15,159 --> 01:23:18,520
Twitter or you email me Kyle dot Banduo at Gmail,

1813
01:23:19,079 --> 01:23:21,119
I will send a signed book plate and a movies

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01:23:21,119 --> 01:23:22,880
as a ball sticker for the proof pre order.

1815
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:24,199
Speaker 1: Where can they find you? What are you? What are

1816
01:23:24,279 --> 01:23:25,479
your Instagram? Twitter?

1817
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:29,640
Speaker 2: I am on Twitter at Kyle banduho uh and then

1818
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,680
Big Streen Sports the sports movie podcast. It comes at

1819
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:35,880
you every Monday. We're right in the middle of recapping

1820
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:39,199
Shorsey Season one. Have you guys watched Horsy? I have

1821
01:23:40,119 --> 01:23:43,319
love Horzy. Not as good as Letter kennycky Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1822
01:23:43,399 --> 01:23:45,560
so I had seen Letter Kenny. So I will say

1823
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,560
Letter Kenny is not like you don't have to have

1824
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:49,840
seen Letter Kenny. Do appreciate Shorty, but it's a character

1825
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:53,399
based yeah, based on a it's a character from Letter Kenny.

1826
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:54,079
Speaker 1: Uh.

1827
01:23:54,319 --> 01:23:57,039
Speaker 2: So, yeah, we were recapping Shorsey and then ye know

1828
01:23:57,119 --> 01:23:59,039
we do movies. In the premise now is all movies

1829
01:23:59,079 --> 01:24:02,399
are sports movies. So we have tackled just just about everything.

1830
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:05,199
So and then if you're a baseball fan from Fiena

1831
01:24:05,319 --> 01:24:07,239
to the Farm, that's an interview series that's presented by

1832
01:24:07,279 --> 01:24:10,880
Baseball America. We're kind of named some guys actually yeah,

1833
01:24:11,039 --> 01:24:13,239
so it's a real name. Some guys guy talk to.

1834
01:24:13,359 --> 01:24:16,079
Some guys talk to talk to Paul. I have not

1835
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:18,720
talked getting to Paul Skins very hard right now, urying demand.

1836
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:20,039
It's typically guys who are retired.

1837
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kyle is a prolific podcaster a Baseball America one

1838
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,079
is super cool. He talks to a lot of I've

1839
01:24:28,079 --> 01:24:29,720
been on the Sports one a couple of times. Yes,

1840
01:24:30,079 --> 01:24:31,800
have you been on the Sports Movie one as well?

1841
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 3: No original podcast, which was dad Gum. Yeah, I was

1842
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,079
giving fatherly advice when I was twenty eight.

1843
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 1: Did you win the father competition with Jake? I did?

1844
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, I've never lost a competition on this podcast.

1845
01:24:46,199 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: I wan't talk about that.

1846
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,640
Speaker 3: I'm a better Catholic. I'm a better father, well not

1847
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,399
in me, but than Jake. Yes, I'm probably a better

1848
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:54,239
father than you too.

1849
01:24:54,279 --> 01:24:55,560
Speaker 1: I guess the only one way to find out.

1850
01:24:56,279 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 2: We have to got to raise Rob's kids for a while.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will a year with of you, then a

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year back with Rob and then you kind of then

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we figured it out.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna beef here, fucked up. They're gonna start lifting

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at like two. You give me Finn. I'll take care

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of Finn. Okay, you can have bitch ash Worriam. We'll compare.

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Speaker 1: Okay, sounds good. I mean Finn's the harder, harder project.

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He's like fiftieth percentile. Rory's like ninetieth and everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because you ignore your kid because he's the second born,

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he's the middle child.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I keep finding Finn standing over Rory's bed with

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a knife. Fucked.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna raise him to be this guy to.

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Speaker 1: Sounds right, to be honest, But anyway, that is all

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I got, Kyle, thank you so much for joining us again.

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Patron dot com, slash soft corey Street leave review on Apple,

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Like it on Spotify five stars. You know the deal

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for Dan Chester and Kyle Ban Duho. I'm Rob Fox.

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Speaker 3: You just guess all served