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the show Today on Softcore History with our special guest
Kyle Bandujo, podcaster and author of the upcoming book Movies
with Balls, we are talking about one of the most
famous American sports scandal figures ever, famed gambler and criminal
Arnold Rothstein, known best for potentially fixing the nineteen nineteen
World Series between the Chicago Black Size and the Cincinnati Reds.
But Arnold Rostein was so much more than the nineteen
nineteen World Series. In fact, that's the least of his accomplishments.
We are going into everything Arnold Rostein, the man who
invented organized crime in the twentieth century in America, got
into in his life. This man belongs on the Mount
Rushmore of organized crime, next to al Capone and anyone
else you want to name. Arnold Rothstein is the goat
you have never heard of when it comes to organized crime.
Enjoy the show.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Softcore History.
Speaker 1: What is up? Welcome back to Softcore History. I am
your host for the week, Rob Fox, joined as always
by Dan Regester and Prop. Maybe the most special guests
we've had tied with the guy who was in Saving
Private Ryan but didn't remember anything about being in Saving Rever.
Speaker 3: I had no idea about the movie or the events
that took place.
Speaker 1: Max Martini. We love him, great actor.
Speaker 3: You're also hyping up Kyle a little too much, all right.
I've been a post on his show before.
Speaker 2: I've been on his shot you have, Yeah, you have?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Kyle ban Duho, podcaster and new found author joining us today.
How you doing?
Speaker 2: But I'm doing I'm so excited to learn some ship
I was. I was listening on the way out learning
about Bleeding Kansas. Like I'm I'm really fucking you.
Speaker 1: Picked a good episode to listen to because like me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bleeding bleeding Kansas and then like the Kansas I
I I have a lot more context than the in
the Ku Missoo rivalry. Now, so I feel pretty good about.
Speaker 1: It that it's making me angry to see them thinking
about it. Uh, you gotta get I gotta get off that.
But before we get into anything, you're here for two reasons.
One we're friends, but two you got a new book
coming out. I do movies with balls. I'm holding it
up to camera if you're listening right now and not
on our YouTube.
Speaker 3: Do you think you're better than us because you wrote
a book?
Speaker 2: No, Honestly, like I feel I kind of feel like
dumber than most people now because I'm like, man, you
read when you once you read back your own writing,
like you guys have read back your own writing, and
you're like, what is wrong with you?
Speaker 1: You know? I don't feel I never feel that way
right away. In fact, if I read it back like
a week later, I'm like, huh sick.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When you send it back like a year later or something,
then I'm like, especially comedy doesn't want to kill myself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't translate.
Speaker 2: It's like when you when you turn in a draft
to a book and then you get the like the
hard copy in front of you. You're really proud for
like a while, Like that feeling lasts a while and
then you start poking through the pages and you're like,
I would have changed that. I would have changed that.
Speaker 1: Horrible choice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tough, tough, but yeah Movies with Balls the greatest
sports films of all time analyzed and illustrated. Me and
my creative partner, Rick Bryson picked twenty six of the
greatest sports movies, greatest fictional sports movies of all time,
and broke down a miracle, no miracle, no league of
their own. No remember the Titans, I think was historical fiction.
The thing is, the genesis of the idea was Rick
had created these like he was wondering what like the
ticket to Rocky's fight against Draga would look like? Rings
like that, And so the ticket for those what are
you talking about? That's just true. It did happen, did happen?
Speaker 3: And did communism?
Speaker 2: He he tore down all himself.
Speaker 1: Yeahrick by brick with his bare fucking hands.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was like if the ticket in some
form or fashion existed in real life, we didn't touch it.
And then yeah, so that helped being able to eliminate
when we were deciding, like what to cover being able
to eliminate a lot of movies off the bat if
they were based on a true story. But yeah, we
picked twenty six of our favorites and and broke down
the movies why we loved him. Uh. With most movies
we broke down like the individual, like the big game
or something that happens. With some movies we had to
get creative, like in Uh, White Man Can't Jump, we
broke down every single instance of them playing basket ball
in Uh, in the Sandlot, we broke down that Fourth
of July game, And then we picked an m VP
for each one. We Uh we discussed if if someone
in that who some one person in that movie, if
they were good at their job or not. Yeah. With Dodgeball,
did White Goodman have good lawyers? Survey says no, No,
forced out extremely quickly. Uh the company he founded. So
and then at you know, a couple of different categories.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, for each one, we talked about some sports
movie Hall of Fame cases. Uh, you know, ask some
questions that need to be asked about a few movies.
But yeah, you know it's uh what.
Speaker 1: What what name a question that needed to be asked
about if you can call off your.
Speaker 2: Head question that needed to be asked, you know, one
I enjoyed. Have you guys seen Teen Wolf? The so
I I was asking questions. Coach Finstock gives gives U
Michael J. Fox, Uh some you know some some uh
three pieces of advice to live by, and I kind
of I kind of broke those down and one of
them I don't remember the top, like the exact wording,
but it's like never cross a woman with like a
dagger tattoo or something like that. And I'm like, that
seems like something I was breaking down, you know, like
you know why this is like such a crucial piece
of advice and that seems like something that's lived experience,
Like he gambled with it with a woman with like
that kind of tattoo, and.
Speaker 1: Like the writer did, oh the coach to coach be honest.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's art imitates life. But yeah, you know,
and like some other ones, you know, like The Replacements.
We we asked like are we we rooting for the
wrong thing? And the Replacements because like we're we're rooting
for scabs? Yeah, Like it's The Replacements is a movie.
I love. I love Keanu in it. I love Gene
Hackman in it. I love it. Every time it's on TBS,
I'm gonna watch it. But it's like it's a very
anti labor movie. In that movie, there's a billionaire NFL
owner who talks about the players running back to their mansions.
Speaker 3: It is, Yeah, but I actually preferred the NFL season
where we had replacement refs.
Speaker 2: Yes, better hand. I forgot about the replacement ref season.
Speaker 1: It's chaos. It's like that was like the Hunger Games,
where this whole board just changes every twenty minutes, you
know what I mean, and you just don't know what's
gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I like that we have our biggest league as a country,
like our biggest sport. Our referees still have to like
a lot of them have day jobs.
Speaker 3: Well, I like that cheerleaders make about minimum wage. Yeah yeah,
what's what's the quote they're getting paid an exposure?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the quote? In the Netflix show like a
Chick fil a worker, one of them says.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was going to quote Kanye West and just
say there's a thousand yees.
Speaker 3: It's only one of me.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's more than one of me. I'm basic
as fuck, but there is a thousand of them too,
so like you know whatever, it's a saturated hot chicks
saturated market. Maybe yeah, I don't know, man, I was
I was watching the DCC show and some athletes like
they're incredible. Oh yeah, like ship that would I mean,
I'm not a good athlete, but like shit, that would
shred my entire body just trying it one time.
Speaker 3: They have a lot of time commitments.
Speaker 1: Well, the NFL cheerleaders, the don't only do cheerleader shit. No,
like not like the college ship now like they might.
It's a dance team basically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like the the show another the cheer
on Netflix. They don't do. They don't do a lot
of that like I would. I mean I would love
like during like commercial breaks in the NFL, Like I
want to see them do some incredible like tumbling or
stunt work, like the stuff that they're truly capable of,
like cheering on the team. You got eighty thousand drunk
people for that, Like I want to see we're taking
a break from the on field athleticism, Like I want
to see some cheerleader athleticism.
Speaker 1: That so actually one of my favorite sporting traditions of
all time is every year at the Missoo Illinois game.
Maybe they do this other games to the Missoo Illinois
basketball game, the Breaking Rights game right before Christmas, during
one of the TV timeouts, the cheer each side's cheerleaders
have a competition. It's five male cheerleaders of each side
go out onto the court and they lift five female
cheerleaders and do the like one hand hold up or whatever,
and last man standing wins.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, And when I tell you that gets heated
as fuck from the crowd, like there's nothing else in
the world that matters for those like five minutes, to
the point where I have watched them push TV to
push the TV time out back because it's not but
I prefer.
Speaker 3: Them navigating like an obie's father who brings his also
portly son and tries to get a photo with the cheerleader.
But it's not for the kid. It's for it's for
the dad to crank one out in the car.
Speaker 2: That's like the that's like the the the cousin of
the photo with the kid at Hooters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gathering up the same guy. He has an
entire photo album.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the one guy who still has a child,
and just like eighty, he crops out the kid, though
he actually crop.
Speaker 1: It out, just thumb over. The kid is just cranking
it thumb over the kid's face, and you're going, he's
got the wallet like pictures and they all come out
and it's just like cheerleaders and waitresses and every restaurant chain. Yeah.
I mean, I'm a Twin Peaks guy personally, good case
soo was tilted kilt.
Speaker 3: I just a good happy hour at UCF. I just
like to shoot Trivia night as well.
Speaker 1: Trevia Knight's fun always. All right, let's get to this
week's episode. I actually, in honor of your book, we
are doing Getting a Little Sportsy. However, it's not a
book or it's not a movie. I should say that
you covered although you're probably familiar with it because you
are for the audience. He doesn't know a big baseball
guy as well. Kyle played college baseball.
Speaker 2: I wore this for you. I did my best, John Crook,
I appreciate it's my hair. The Phillies throwbacks are undefeated.
Speaker 1: And you have even played. You were a pitcher and
your battery mate ended up being a major leaguer. Yes, yeah, Gaddis.
Speaker 2: I it was texting with him yesterday. He's doing doing well,
good skiing a lot skiing. Yeah, being retired in your
thirties would be sick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds pretty sweet. I mean he played just
long enough that he definitely made.
Speaker 3: Like enough money eight figures.
Speaker 2: Not going to reveal his finances, but Evan's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I imagine. So, I mean he played, Yeah,
he did well. I'm a Braves fan. I remember him.
He was fucking great.
Speaker 2: He's the nicest guy.
Speaker 1: He actually hit the best home run I've ever seen
in my life. Which have you ever seen that home run?
Speaker 2: Was it the one off Cole Hammil's where he golfed
it like above his head and hit it four nine feet?
Speaker 1: No, I was in Miami and he why did you
bring that up? Actually, that's not even his best Philly
home run because you're talking I know, the one you're
talking about golfing it. But he also hit like one
hundred mile an hour ball. I forget who it was from.
That was like chin level, straight dead set, I mean,
like impossible.
Speaker 2: I think that I think that was the I think
it was off Cole Hamil's. Okay, Yeah, and then his
his first career home runs were just like trashing the
Phillies right now, was Roy Halladay? Yeah, which is pretty
sick ALRP.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we a fucking step all over dead Man's grave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that ball and Roy Holliday is playing both
crash in the Yeah, but he hit this. This is
a home run in Miami, and you know.
Speaker 3: Not the only Philly to die in a plane crash
as well.
Speaker 1: But litle Corey little Yeah he gets Yankees shine.
Speaker 3: He did die.
Speaker 2: I think it happened in New Yore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it did, and I think he was with It.
Speaker 3: Wasn't long after nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like it was attacked again.
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's just Corey Lionel crash.
Speaker 1: Enough planes crash into those buildings more often than you.
Speaker 3: They're too many athletes to fly planes, and I would
not allow that in the contract.
Speaker 2: No, it's it's hot, it's it's second to like motorcycles.
Speaker 1: Dude. I we said this on another show, one of
our shows earlier or something like that. I don't know what.
Speaker 3: Would you allow an athlete to fly? You No, Like
right now, I can think of Matt McNeely, the golfer,
he's oh yeah, he flies a pilot flies himself to tournaments.
I don't know if I would not hop on.
Speaker 2: I want a pilot to fly me like a professional,
like have have trained.
Speaker 3: I don't hung over. You want to coke before.
Speaker 1: A hobbyist to do surgery on you.
Speaker 2: That's the thing I don't want, like just.
Speaker 1: Really into surgery, you guys.
Speaker 2: Side hustles are like podcasts and blobs and like a
Postmates route. It's not flying. Other people can fly yourself.
Speaker 1: Maybe a lawyer.
Speaker 3: That's the highest. I'll go somebody that practices law on
their free.
Speaker 2: Timebbyist hobbyists, good luck passes the bar.
Speaker 1: You're in a child custody battle, it's just your bro
who's really into.
Speaker 3: Law fucking I'll go pass the bar, right, I'll get
you passion for it. That's why lawyers that are like
twenty thirty years deep, they don't care. It's just you're
another number too.
Speaker 1: That's what you that's what you want. That's what I
want out of my surgeon is just passionate competence. Yeah,
just like a plug A to B. He's fixed. I'm out.
Speaker 2: He's gotta want it. He's gotta have the one too
to fix my heart.
Speaker 1: But all right, we're doing a movie today that is
not in your book because it's based on a real story.
But I'm sure you're familiar with it because you're a
baseball guy. Eight Men Out.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's so can go.
Speaker 1: We're not doing much of Eight Men Out, but we
are focusing on a specific person from Eight Men Out,
who I think the film and the Black Sox Scandal
in general does a great disservice to because this is
one of the greatest men in American history.
Speaker 3: Who was the actor?
Speaker 1: I don't remember his off, but he's like you've seen
him in everything. He's a character actor. I'm talking about
Arnold Rothstein. Oh for yeah, the guy Legendary Gambler allegedly
fixed the world series Legendary Gambler, but that he's sold
short because the Black Sox Scandal is the most famous
thing he was involved in. But what people don't realize
is that Arnold Rothstein was also America's first drug kingpin.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Are you guys fans of Boardwalk Empire?
Speaker 1: Yes, he is in Boardwalk Empires a couple of seasons, yes, right.
Speaker 2: I believe that in the first season, it's one of
the seasons he's like trying to get away from the
heat of the Black Sox scandal like they're referencing to it. Yeah,
he's one of my favorite characters in Bill Rock Empire.
Speaker 1: Okay, perfect, I've caught many I haven't watched Boardwalk Empire
like a ton, which is shocking for me, but I
am familiar with the Arnold Rothstein character that I've.
Speaker 2: Seen funny enough YouTube videos my TikTok algorithm of late
has been sending me. I don't know if you guys
on TikTok will get like there are people who would
just post clips of shows, like oh yeah, just post
hundreds of clips from shows and that's their TikTok, and I.
Speaker 1: Think, good for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like thank you, well, it's nice of like I
enjoyed watching them. Yeah, it's like like we have kids,
Like we're not gonna finding the time to rewatch an
episode of Boardwalk Empire. Sounds like a fucking chore, Like
where am I going to get an hour from? No, don't,
I don't have hours. I do have two minutes for
someone who put a Boardwalk Empire clip on tics, so
your spark note in that's exactly, that's exactly all kinds
of shows exact if I just want a happy reminder
of like Deadwood.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I will never have time to watch an
episode of Deadwood again for the rest of my life.
Speaker 3: I've only seen the movie.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting choice.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is the random movie they made because the
creator had Alzheimer's and wanted to get one more paid dude. Yeah,
I think he just wanted to make one more thing
before he was incapable. But yeah, so Arnold Rosstein. He's
alleged to have been a major figure, perhaps the ring leader,
in fixing the nineteen nineteen World Series between the Chicago
White Sox and the Reds, in which the White Sox
and sholess Joe Jackson famously through uh the series, although
Jackson's involvement is has been even as up in the
air as Rosstine's more up in the air.
Speaker 3: So they get a bad rap, all right. Gambling is
part of baseball.
Speaker 2: It's part of sports, American apple pie.
Speaker 1: Oh that's why I I don't know I ever talked
about this with you in our d MS or whatever.
Don't give a single fuck that the Astros cheated to
win a World series?
Speaker 2: Oh me, I mean, I'm again like my my friend Evan, like, yeah,
got his world in that year. Yeah, he the the
first video. I think that, like John Boy posted Evan
is up. I think facing uh facing the White Side
year the boom boom boom boom.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's it's part of the game, and
it's something that I think, like not not to like
not to go all in on like the Astros thing,
but it was like something that that I was told
that Brian McCann when he played for the Braves, was
obsessive with switching up signs because he's like people are watching,
people are watching, watching, like you're either really good at
it or you're not. Like everyone's trying to catch an edge.
We just had, Like they just had to get rid
of spider Tack a couple of years ago because people
realize that, like you could spin the ball like crazy
if you used it. And if they would have had
spider Tack when I was in college, like I still
probably wouldn't have been great, but I would have fucking
loved to try it. Yeah yeah, yeah, like give me
a shot, give me anything, yeaheah. I want to try
and I want the entire league to get back on greeniesphetamines.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some form of fetamines because you are
allowed to take adderall as long as you.
Speaker 3: Haven't a couple gotten popped and suspended.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the guys you can't figure out the
prescription situation.
Speaker 1: And they deserve it because Adam Laroche.
Speaker 2: Shane Victorino popped hot for adderall. Chris Remember Chris Davis,
he have like fifty plus home run seasons and oh yeah,
and then he got the bag from the Orioles and
could never hit above the Mendoza liign.
Speaker 1: Didn't want good for him, good for him. Point He's
like Anthony Rendon.
Speaker 2: I love I honestly love like Rendon, Chris Davis. I
when a guy gets a huge contract and sucks because
I love watching the American Dream. It's it's either that
or that money sits like goes into a thirty yacht
or just just sits in it in a bank account somewhere,
you know.
Speaker 1: For Chris Davis, I'm fine with him getting the contract
because he seems fine. I'm sure he's fine. But man,
Anthony Rendon is a dude.
Speaker 2: He's doing everything possible to make people not like it.
Oh like everything possible.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, like, just don't say anything.
Speaker 3: God, but it's not my whole life, Okay.
Speaker 1: It should be. Kyle Tucker is that way too. Kyle
Tucker's like you poost bulls fined. It's like, just love
it to do it forever. More.
Speaker 2: More guys need to lie and say they don't speak English,
like Anthony Rendaut needs to be like I need to
need a translator, and it's like you're from Houston.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we know you fucking speak English.
Speaker 3: Bro Otani should just pull the other Tani.
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not sure he'll give an on record
quote ever again, speaking of he.
Speaker 3: Clearly speaks English, he made Cameron laughing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he, I mean, he definitely speaks English. But like
I if I can, if I can just have someone
speak for me like I would, I'd be fine with dude.
Speaker 1: There was one interview with Ronald Cunya Junior because he
always has the translator and I'm sure his English isn't
great yet, who knows, but he's just doing to fun people.
Always is a translator and is always just like and uh,
really you know, and then the translator says it or
whatever and they're like Okay, Ronald, thank you so much.
He had a great game. I can't wait to watch
you again. And he just goes like goes in and
looks right in the mic and like straight up goes
see you, like no accent, nothing, and just like see it.
Thanks Like just I was like, what, what Well? I
like my baseball players to have.
Speaker 3: A double life, like Bartolo Cologne, where you have two families.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of your more baseball players than
you think have two families.
Speaker 3: Mhm probably.
Speaker 1: H see it sounds horrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks so much upkeep.
Speaker 2: It's one of those like nasty secrets of like when
you when you get older, like when you're a kid,
you kind of like assume the best of people and
like you know for the most part, and then you
get older and be like, yeah, people do have two
families sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it sounds like good.
Speaker 3: I kind of felt that way with cocaine. Everyone does cocaine.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I was like, oh, Cocaine's a big, bad drug.
And then like the older I got, I was like.
Speaker 2: Then you get in your twenties, yeah you kind of
thought Bias. You thought like Len Bias was the last person.
It's like, oh that that made everyone stop. Yeah, Len Bias,
or at least Chris Farley, Yeah what Yeah, Len Bias
is the one that I always hunt.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 2: Obviously I'm younger than before that happened, but that was
always like the story to put fear into you. It's
like you'll end up like Len Bias.
Speaker 1: Bias did cocaine and died.
Speaker 2: Yes, and then after that, after nineteen eighty six, no
one did cocaine.
Speaker 1: The last year. No, everyone knows this. So Rostein, like
you said, in Boardwalk Empire. He was also the inspiration
for Meyer Wolf Wolfsheim in The Great Gatsby. Yes, and
allegedly him and his wife, a showgirl named Carolyn Green,
were the inspiration for the musical Guys and Dolls that
I didn't know. So Rostein kind of big in our
nation's cultural fabric despite being such a lesser known name.
Three major works, I get two major works of art,
and then Boardwalk Empire is great too, and then also
obviously seriously impactful on the game of baseball. So huge there,
Rostein when you get into him now. He was born
in eighteen eighty two in Manhattan to a pretty wealthy
like middle class up the middle class devout Jewish family.
His father, Abraham Rostein, was ironically known as Abe the just. Oh.
He was a businessman always and was always I guess honest.
Speaker 2: Abe was sometimes things skip generation.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well his brother, his older brother, Harry, was studying
to be a rabbi. So I guess Harry maybe turned
out Okay.
Speaker 2: It's like when one sibling has all the athleticism, like
he had all the morality.
Speaker 1: Yes, Rostein was good at stuff in his own right,
but as a typical middle slash younger sibling, I don't.
I didn't look to see if he had siblings younger
than him. But he was jealous and always in need
of attention. His dad said that Arnold was jealous of
Harry and would get upset when when Arnold was not
the center of attention over golden boy Harry. He's gonna
be a rabbi, I mean a rabbi and a devout
Jewish family or a preacher in it about Christian family,
that's like, I mean even a quarterback, you know what
I mean, your debt for Hank Hill, like in Hank
Hill's family, you know, like it's just you fucked if
you're not that that guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get the stature to live up to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I guess Rostein was jealous of his brother
from the outset because at one point, Arnold's father woke
up and found Arnold then a toddler, standing over Harry's
bed holding a knife in the middle of the night.
So like, again, Rob, you have kids, two toddlers currently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure how you can. Again, this is
a different time, Like if this happened now, it's like, okay, therapy,
like we're gonna, you know, I get down to the
bottom of this. I feel like back then it was like, well,
just put them in separate rooms and lock the doors.
Is that it'll be fine, possible.
Speaker 1: I mean, they had probably a decent flat. I assume
it's like a it's not a multi story, right, it's
an apartment or a flat. Yeah, So but do they
share a room? What's God, I don't know what the
situation is.
Speaker 3: I imagine everyone back then shared the room.
Speaker 1: It's everyone in the same room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a giant room. I think everyone in the
eighteen four plants. Yeah, everyone in the eighteen hundreds all
lived in the same room. I mean entire families that
did used to be like.
Speaker 1: In the middle ages. Whole family slept in the same
bed quite often.
Speaker 3: And then if you wanted to bang your wife, you
had a curtain that you pulled so the kids couldn't see.
Speaker 2: The bang curtain.
Speaker 1: Okay, and the fuse you'd have them where like ear
muffs didn't even wasn't even a thing back then.
Speaker 3: It wasn't for sound.
Speaker 2: War come back, well back then. It's like it's not
like we're having sex. It's like we're creating another laborer
for the estate. Like we're getting we're getting you guys
a coworker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you want to you tell you we were
about to split this field into another.
Speaker 2: Eighth Yeah, just for you.
Speaker 3: That's another chimney sweeper another way, just more. You said
this earlier, another dusted boy.
Speaker 1: We said this on a different show. But you know
it's like, yeah, it used to be you had kids,
more kids to work the farm. Like why do people
have kids now? It's like people should have more kids
now to work the content farm.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Content what we need to get back to what we
used to do, which is monetizing children.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it all balloon boys. Dad, not wrong, no, not wrong.
He saw the future. E he was just at the Yeah,
the thing is, Yeah, if that kid had been if
they had like done a TikTok live. I know the
kid wasn't in the balloon, but if they had found
a way to do some sort of like live. Yeah,
I'm coming to you from inside the balloon.
Speaker 1: Build a little tinfoil hut in your house, and that's
what he's inside of.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that kid's doing now. I can't
imagine it's good.
Speaker 3: I mean, David Blaine did the same thing like ten
years later, and he monetized it.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's content king. Yeah, but it's really like now,
every time you have a new baby, it's like, that's
the potential. That's multiple YouTube channels every single w Yeah,
it's if you're not doing that, don't let them have
a childhood. If you're not doing that, you're you're it's
your fault, you're poor. Yeah, I mean, look at look
at baby Gronk's dad doing everything right. Yeah, it's going
to have an incredible.
Speaker 1: Relationship, honey Boo Boo's mom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all going to have incredible relationships. And the
children and adults, they're not going to fight.
Speaker 1: There will be no emancipations, nothing like that.
Speaker 3: That's Xanders awfully now a two time major champion.
Speaker 2: Why his dad, because his dad gave up coaching him. Actually,
but until then.
Speaker 3: Until then, until then, to attack of Viola, starting quarterback
for the Miami Dolphins. What happened? Dad beat disassed all
the time.
Speaker 1: Spanked constantly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and was one of the ones. He's like, yeah,
I'm better for it. Yeah, he's too, is into that.
Speaker 1: I wonder if see Xander's dad, he should take a
college football stature on it, or like a college will
position on it and say that Xander's new coach won
with his guys. Oh yeah, you know what I mean,
recruit recruits.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he actually won his first major when his dad
wasn't there. And his dad's a helicopter parent. How was
he not there chilling in Hawaii?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Young Arnold also frequently got into trouble with his dad, again,
devout religious man because he loved Arnold loved shooting dice.
Arnold was actually uh maybe and maybe this actually tracks
with his sociopathic name nature, but super gifted with numbers,
very very good with numbers. Did not care much for school,
but was great with math and just figuring statistics and
stuff out.
Speaker 3: In his head and the blood.
Speaker 1: Is it? I guess he None of them were accountants.
It was a rabbi. I mean his brother was a rabbi.
Speaker 3: His dad was a businessman.
Speaker 1: He was a businessman. No, I think I read he
was in like Linen's or something like that. So nothing
like crazy.
Speaker 3: I bet he found it on the side of the
street too. It's like we're gonna sell this fell off
like the back of a wagon.
Speaker 1: Funny enough, That is how drug dealing used to be
until Rosteine got involved. An innovator, Yes, uh so he
was good at shooting dice, which I think maybe got
the little fuck or the attention he craved just always.
You know, it wasn't getting at home, but he was
winning at dice. Everyone was patting him on the head.
Speaker 3: Well, there's no better feeling than when you have a
hot handed crapstable nothing. I mean, the whole casinos behind you.
Speaker 2: It's it's because you're winning. Ever the way to make
for Yeah, it's truly. It's the way to make friends
in a casino because like in black check, no one,
no one actually you say like, oh yeah, I give
him a black You know, the people at your table
you're like, yeah, you know, yeah, congrat great. You just
gotta like you don't really care, like fuck off unless
they fuck you. Congract lest they fuck you. Yeah. Yeah,
Well that's the thing is someone If someone fucks you
on the black Chack table, there your enemy. But if
someone else is winning you, you truly don't care. If
someone is winning in craps, everyone's winning. So the most
popular person.
Speaker 3: Unless you're that dickhead that goes against the entire table. Yes,
they don't passline guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to do that, like, yeah, he's
the feelin yeah fuck it. Uh. In nineteen twenty one,
when asked how he became a gambler, Rothstein said, I
always gambled. I can't remember when I didn't. Maybe I
gambled just to show my father he couldn't tell me
what to do, But I don't think so. I think
I gambled because I love the excitement. When I gambled,
nothing else mattered.
Speaker 3: I can relate, Yeah, I know you can. I started
reading lines. My dad got these little teasers when I
was like five, and I take my kindergarten teacher about
NFL and college football lines so she can impress her boyfriend.
Speaker 2: And now she's a gambling addict.
Speaker 3: Probably she's dead now.
Speaker 1: I fucking hate how Philadelphia that story is.
Speaker 3: Per Capita Delco has the most bookies in the area.
Speaker 1: That sounds right.
Speaker 3: It's not even a track, I know, I know, it's
a It's also where a lot of NBA referees come from.
You'll remember that's a great not a great two things
to be the Tim donoghue situation. Yeah, he went to
Cardinal O'Hare and there's a bunch of NBA refs that
are like linked around him.
Speaker 1: It's just like that's that are still in the league.
That's like being like, yeah, did you fund It's weird fact,
but you know that the most corrupt doctors and fentanyl
dealers both come from the same county. It's like bookies
and NBA refs. So it's just not you can't have
them that close together.
Speaker 3: Well they still do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But the good thing is the league never gets
accused of being rigged, so they really clean things up.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, how rigged. Either something can either be
really really rigged or not, like so comically unrigged. When
a guy like Nikola Joki is just tearing up the
league actually I'll take you out of there because you
you work out a lot. I don't know what your
situation is, not I who has probably comparable body to
the two of us hype, notwithstanding being the best player
in the NBA.
Speaker 2: It's not It does not compute.
Speaker 3: My little league baseball coach was actually tied in that ring.
Shouts to coach back in prison. All good for him
a situation, Yeah, to coach back went to prison.
Speaker 2: So bet it was a lot of fun while it
was happening, though, Oh, I bet that it was really exciting.
Speaker 1: Did they make him give the money back?
Speaker 3: I guess you gotta find a win to hide it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you think like the roth scenes of the world,
they would probably hate how gambling is today. They would
hate how I would think they would hate how mainstream
it was. Like if you went back in time and
showed him an app for whatever, like your daily fantasy
app of choices, Yeah, probably be like this. Yeah, you're
you're not working hard.
Speaker 1: I think Rostein, based on what I've learned about him
writing this would actually be the he All he cared
about was more money.
Speaker 3: But I thought it made me special growing up being
able to gamble like through high school college now. But
now it's oversaturated and everyone has that vice. It's like,
cool man, I got ten bucks on the games, like bitch,
I got got my livelihood on it.
Speaker 2: Out here fighting my fucking life.
Speaker 3: Uh No, Ludwig finished second. He bogeyed to par five,
lost one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he dunked it on the second shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah. All you had to do was if he just
pars that he forces the playoff with Keegan and I
could have won four grand. But here we are.
Speaker 2: That's tough.
Speaker 3: Here we are.
Speaker 1: Oh, just another Sunday, Just.
Speaker 3: Another Sunday where Danny's close but no cigut.
Speaker 1: Well you'll relate to this. Rostein loved gambling so much
that he would pawn his dad's jewelry.
Speaker 3: And I've never done that, taking dad, I know you're
listening right now. I never stole from you.
Speaker 1: Taking advantage of his poor father's devout Judaism. He knew
that his dad would not carry cash on him from
the day the sun or from when the sun set
on Friday to the end of the Sabbath the next day.
So Arnold would steal money from his wallet, like knowing
he was not going to touch that wallet for a
whole day. Take it to go play crabs, and he
would so often win that he was able to replace
the cash without anyone noticing. So his dad was bankrolling
as gambling and heout even he would use the Sabbath
essentially to to fuck him over. Not I guess, no harm,
no foul there, Yeah, yeah out.
Speaker 2: I got to shout out one of my good buddies
from high school, Matt, who had a similar predicament. He
lost like a decent amount of money for like being
a high schooler an online poker. And then I did
the I'm gonna take my parents' money and went it back.
Speaker 1: Did not want to listen.
Speaker 3: No family members, you can't steal from them. But girl
you're dating, that purse is open.
Speaker 1: Just sitting there there.
Speaker 2: She's never gonna know because what if you win?
Speaker 1: You know? And I stole a lot of money from
my little sister in high school, uh to by booze
because she was like a babysitting Uh fucking titan of
the of the neighborhood and babysitting.
Speaker 2: Have you yet your your kids might not be old
enough yet. Have you used cash that they have gotten yet?
Speaker 1: When you gated cash, they've never gotten cash.
Speaker 3: So when like you break their little piggy back to
tooth fairy. Uh you know what's going ready for tooth fairies? Now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, the tough thing is inflation.
Speaker 3: Is it like five bucks? Now?
Speaker 2: Now, the tough thing is you never have cash. It's
like I've had to give five dollars for fucking tooth
before because it's like I don't have any cash. We
have one five dollars bill of the house. So that
I mean, that's the kids are making out like like
gangbusters because no one carries cash.
Speaker 3: Because you don't want to break it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to Well, it's like you, I
guess you either remember, uh, you either remember right before
you go to bed or you remember at three o'clock
in the morning and you're like, oh shit.
Speaker 3: You ever write your kidd in ioe you from the
tooth fairy? Right?
Speaker 2: Check Now we did one time check book. One time
there was a we completely blanked and the and that
next morning we're like, she might have had a lot
of pickups, Like you might be in for you might
be broken heart because your kid's what like eight nine,
he's ten. Now this I mean this is a while ago. Yeah,
it was just like she you know, she she probably
had a lot to do. You lost your you know,
you lost your tooth really late in the night, you know,
so she might not. You might be on that might
run back away.
Speaker 1: I have a gullible child, so all right, good?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that I would, and I would, I would
wish that on every parent have the most globle child.
You can get away with so much.
Speaker 1: See my child, I feel like.
Speaker 3: Is well, you spin it. They believe in magic. Still,
they're creative.
Speaker 1: I my child is gullible. I think I can think
I can trick him into pretty much anything.
Speaker 3: But he's also a monster.
Speaker 1: He's indignant as far as so, like I could tell
him and he what would happen is he would buy
that story and then just be like that bitch fuck
And that is still a problem, but now.
Speaker 2: It's a different problem. Yeah, it's her problem. Yeah, it's exactly,
it's two thirdy fall.
Speaker 1: It's not your f Yeah, it really wouldn't calm him down.
It would just turn the arraige somewhere else. But I'd
still do it. Yeah, I don't want to. I don't
want to screaming at me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not your fat As long as not your fault,
ye know, exactly. So he's going to be mad at
society and I'm sure that'll.
Speaker 2: Supply and that's when he's going to start sealing your
money to go play crafts.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, he'll be a deviant by a gun. Allegedly
Ross Took. Allegedly Rostein wasn't even really into the games themselves,
just winning. Like he wasn't like either he had no
great love for playing crabs or or playing dice. He
had he had, he liked the excitement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the Michael Jordan quote. Right, I don't have
a gambling problem. I have a competition problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it. Well, he had a money problem because
he It wasn't even I think the competition, it was
the end result. Like he liked getting the money. And
he was allegedly so much cleverer with statistics and numbers
and probability than certainly probably any other kid or teenager
or young adult gambling in an alley or something that
he was able to just clean out. And eventually he
went onto bigger and better things and kind of got
into more of a business, got into the racetracks and
stuff like that. We'll get into that. But in nineteen
oh seven, he fell in love with the aforementioned showgirl,
Carolyn Green. But Green was only half Jewish and would
not convert, so Arnold's father did not approve. Arnold didn't
care married her anyway, and was disavowed by his father.
But believe it or not, this love against all odd
story was actually not that great.
Speaker 2: Arnold was not a great husband, I can imagine. I
also like that her not converting was why why he
didn't approve. Not that like she was a showgirl. Yeah yeah, yeah,
it's just like that's.
Speaker 1: Fine, but she could wave whatever she wants and whoever
she was, but be not on a Friday night.
Speaker 2: She won't the classic story the Gambler and the Showgirl.
Speaker 1: He Arnold speaking of that, I guess it wouldn't wasn't
gonna be an issue anyway, because he forbade Green from
continuing to work in the theater as soon as they
were married. He obviously, of course, also kept banging other chicks.
Speaker 2: That's the like nineteen oh seven version of you got
to shut down your only fans.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I will still be jerking off to
twenty only fans. Yes, yes, I will keep all my
only fans subscriptions on the night of that we will.
Speaker 3: Be flying girls out from LA.
Speaker 1: Because we're just friends. We're just a fan. Like a fucker,
ask her fucking do it. On the night of their wedding,
he told her he needed to pawn her engagement ring
to free up some funds, and she was like, okay, baby,
and gave it to him. She was also not allowed
to go out after six pm, not allowed to be
contacted by anyone. I guess he was the only source
of communication. He claimed it was because the police were
constantly watching him, which probably might be true, except for
he owns the cops, so who knows. And he ordered
her not to bob her hair because it would make
her lose all dignity. Getting a bob back then was scandalous.
Speaker 3: Right now, I agree with this dude. Fuck that my
lady gets a bob. It's over.
Speaker 1: I have had my wife toll me multiple times and
I'm not allowed to let her cut her hair short again.
She's like, no matter what I say, no matter what
ideas I get in my head, you can never let
me do that again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then if you bring that up, you're the
bad guy.
Speaker 1: She's gonna try it again. I'm like, you told me
not to, and I got but I'm like, all right, whatever,
I don't care.
Speaker 3: I do that with Rob with my beard, because I'm like,
I wonder if I have a jaw line.
Speaker 1: You don't want to find out now, because honestly, you know,
even if you have a strong, like a fine, fine
jaw line, the beard removes all doubt and it's never
gonna be as good as you want it to be.
Speaker 3: So anytime I bring up potentially shaven, I'm I have
Rob Slaty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to assume that you have like Henry
Cavill's jaw under there, because you don't. You don't know.
Speaker 1: For certainly you don't Shroden jaw. It could be Henry
Cavill's jaw. It could be, and as long as the
beards there, who knows. Yeah. Also, Arnold was not around
very much because he was working constantly. He came home
every morning around five or six in the morning from
work or whatever, and he partook in his only addiction.
Arnold was sober, didn't well. I guess he was a
gaming addict, but he didn't consider it an addiction.
Speaker 2: Is it an addiction if it's your job?
Speaker 1: Though, at some point it's not. Yeah, but he he
didn't drink, didn't do the drugs he sold. He he
had one or I guess two things he was addicted to.
He would come home at six in the morning and
straight up Mitt Romney style chug quartz of milk and
eat whole trays of cake in a frenzy.
Speaker 2: Listen the cake like I have a sweetie, Like I'm
kind of here for Like that sounds great, like getting
home after a long night just pounding cake. The milk,
you've got to have an iron gut.
Speaker 3: The milk just sounds like a high school. They're trying
to put it on a way for football, but it's
the worst way to do it.
Speaker 2: It was also like nineteen like you had so this
nineteen twenty you have no drinks, like three things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I honestly think cold milk might have been a
real delicacy back then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have cold milk, you have water with god
knows what in it. You have warm beer and it
was probably raw right, raw milk.
Speaker 3: Back then?
Speaker 1: Uh, when was pasturization, actually when was a standardized team?
Speaker 3: Gaines did not wrong with that.
Speaker 1: Pasturization was standardized, standardized. The first state to require pasturization
was Illinois in nineteen oh eight nineteen twenty four is
when it, I guess became so No, it was wrong.
It was probably raw yeah yeah, yeah, his like.
Speaker 2: His stomach must have been made a fucking iron. If
he was getting this pro hugging raw mich shugging raw
milk and chasing cake with it, it's it's.
Speaker 1: Not what you want. Now. I hope they had indoor plumbing.
I mean, it's not gonna clow. Nothing's getting clogged.
Speaker 2: A fresh cake, it's thin, it's coming out of there.
He's spraying.
Speaker 3: The cake's not lasting longer than a couple of days.
Speaker 1: No, you got to eat it right away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's fresh.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And they probably didn't have a well maybe they had
a fridge. He's rich, so they had a fe I
imagined they had a fridge, but an icebox by twenty
By the age of twenty eight and nineteen ten, Rostein
was already an illegitimate businessman, at least in the eyes
of the law. I don't necessarily you know, he was
into gambling and stuff like that. He moved to the
Tenderloin district in Manhattan. This is where all the gambling houses,
casinos and brothels were at the time. Uh and Rostein
opened a big casino in the area breaked in money.
Along with his casino, he was super involved in horse racing,
specifically at the Hove de Gras Degrass de Gras track
in Maryland, and it was alleged, of course, that he
fixed races there constantly. He essentially one of the things
he was known for was leaving as little a chance
as possible, so in games of numerical chants, he had
a good mind for it. In stuff like horse racing
or maybe the nineteen nineteen World Series, he essentially would
fix things or get as much every bit of inside
information as possible. So and a good example of that
would be maybe he doesn't fix a match. But if
you recall the greatest gambling scandal in recent American history,
which is the Alabama Baseball oh.
Speaker 2: Scandal, fucking incredible.
Speaker 1: Where the guy had his bag man go bet at
the red Stadium because they had legalized Ohio casino in
the or legalized betting in the stadium.
Speaker 3: Just a regular Cincinnati Reds game, and put a hefty
portion of money on an Alabama.
Speaker 2: Baseball Alabama Friday night baseball game, that's key the eye. Yeah,
I believe he was like being very vocal about having information.
Speaker 1: He literally go, they're like wow, so if something like wow, sair,
that's a lot of money. And he was like, oh yeah,
I thought.
Speaker 2: The sad trock, I know the coach and he said
the picture's injured. But they don't know the books don't
know it yet. So I'm just yeah, you told me
to put down this money. We're gonna split it. That's
the thing about like it was like literally he confessed,
if I'm the crime, if I'm not mistaken. They were
playing against Paul Skans too. Oh really, I think I
think there was the I think it was a game
against LSU against Paul Skans.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah. And when you do gamble, there's a hefty
portion that don't really care whether or not you win
the money. It's more about the clout and what comes
with the win, being able to vocalize it to everyone
around you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I know things, at least important things
on Earth. I know them sports like oh wow, dude,
you picked a college football game.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, dude, dude, that's kind of the highierarchy and
how we judge each other on a social status is
our knowledge on sports.
Speaker 1: So one thing that's funny, I think kind of sports
helps train I think male brains are like this in general,
but I think sports either proves it or helps train's
on it is. I read it to the other day
that even though women are better in school, like undoubtedly
they're better and better at school and are getting more
education than men, men still do better on most general
knowledge tests for whatever reason. Like if you just give
a general knowledge test, then on average score score, obviously
you know any individual could be, however, dumber, smart, regod
in general knowledge.
Speaker 2: But I'm kind of wondering if that's because we spend
a shit ton of time on like Wikipedia deep dives.
Speaker 1: I think that's not a thing chicks do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think they're probably using their time more
efficiently where I'm like, well i Wikipedia.
Speaker 1: Like we both waste time in our own special dumble.
Speaker 2: Well I'm looking like I'm looking up, hey was this
actor in this movie? And then forty five minutes later,
I'm reading like something about like the Sri Lankan revolution
there was run But like that's how that's how you
know you have all this knowledge.
Speaker 3: But I mean they're still pretty you know, plugged in
with the pop culture for the most part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they consume their own like we consume sports. They
consume whatever Chapel Roan's talking about. Yeah, you know what
I mean, like it's yeah, it's yeah, but it was
that was funny to me. I was like, man, I
just feel like maybe because it's not useful, like to
just have random trivia. It's no more useful than being
not more useful than being a responsible person.
Speaker 3: You know what it is, rob, Ladies be shopping, just
be shopping. We're at home getting that knowledge, reading those wikis.
They're spending our money.
Speaker 2: We're naming some guys.
Speaker 3: I love naming. Who doesn't love naming?
Speaker 2: Loves name.
Speaker 1: We've already done that like four times on this show.
Speaker 3: You name.
Speaker 1: You named a guy a minute ago.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, Paul skeens X that fucking we were
talking about Evan Gattis and fuck knows what.
Speaker 3: No, but we love naming like guy from our childhood,
from our teenage years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like you ever, like once a week,
I wonder what Pat Burl's doing.
Speaker 3: Dude, he burrowed your girl, That's what he did.
Speaker 2: That's true. You're your girl. Your mom, your aunt, your cousin,
thirty five of the Greater Philadelphia area, our children.
Speaker 3: Of Pat Barrel.
Speaker 1: I believe it, like fully believe that that peace dancer
Pat Junior. I still think the best version of him
was on the Giants, but that's just not true. No
man walking out in that gimp suit in the locker room.
Speaker 3: My dad heard papearol so much. Why because he struck
out a bunch.
Speaker 1: He was ahead of his time. He was like, truly,
he'd be more appreciated.
Speaker 3: Today most likely. Yeah, yeah, And he like had a
severe ankle injury in college, so he was a terrible
fielder because he never recovered from that.
Speaker 1: Was he left fielder mostly m.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to I got to interview his college coach,
legendary Jim Morris at the University of Miami. It's another guy,
another guy, and uh he recalled, like you know you
have that you have that fall freshman season kind of
figure out who's gonna start. And he was like Pat's
first VP penciled him into the four hole. Just the
sound of the bad sound of the bat Pat the batman.
Speaker 3: I'll name of God right now. My favorite closer growing up,
Eric Gania oh the goggles.
Speaker 1: Wasn't even your guy, I know, but I just loved it.
I loved uh just the energy. Smolts was better.
Speaker 3: Smoltz was really good. I know. He's also a world
class golfer.
Speaker 2: Now the uh worthwhile on YouTube going to watch the
Gannia v. Bonds matchups? So good?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Ganya was was nuts. Uh By the age
of thirty. Arnald Rosstein was a millionaire by nineteen nineteen.
He was well known for his money in his gambling success,
though he insisted it was all legit. Uh. I kind
of think in a lot of ways. I know, Biff
Tannon was based on Donald Trump in terms of like
look and maybe personality like Biff Tannon in Back of
the Future too. Yeah yeah, but it really the in
terms of like not like Biff Tan, Rostein is Biff Tan.
And in terms of like using any inside knowledge possible
to make a ton of money and run Ilizic casinos
and have an actual crime ring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I we would all if I think
everyone relates more to Biff than they do to Marty, truly,
like we would use we would take that book back.
Speaker 1: For sure, Oh yeah, for sure. And I would never
make out with my mom. Who's the real villain.
Speaker 2: That's exactly it. Yeah, Mullenie's been on back of the
futures just all times.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the best he's gonna stop the Keddy says, well,
now I feel stupid. Uh so comes the World Series
nineteen nineteen. Rostin of course insists he's no part in
throwing the World Series. In fact, in nineteen twenty one,
a jury found that White Sox players accused of throwing
the World Series. We're not guilty, so there's no proof
that there's technically no, it's never been proven beyond a
reasonable doubt that the World Series was thrown. They were,
in fact that they were found not guilty. It was
then that Baseball banned them because they were like fuck this,
we know they did it.
Speaker 2: Got to do something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So was the World Series even thrown? Do you
what do you think?
Speaker 2: I think it probably wasn't thrown on the level that
it's alleged it was thrown and is deep. Yeah, but
I think they're you know, some some guys probably like yeah,
through it. But I mean they took it to World
Series was nine games. I think they took it to
eight games? Did yeah, which is like if you're throwing,
that's a pretty good job of throwing something.
Speaker 1: You don't imagine if you're a gambler and you have
fixed the World Series today and it goes to game six,
you're shitting, you're pains.
Speaker 2: Oh you're in hell, Yeah, you're in hell.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it takes like a serious talent. Like, Honestly,
if if a gambler was trying to like approach my
college team, my Division two college team, and they decided like, hey,
we want to, they probably wouldn't even come to me.
They're like, you can't do anything for us, Like, just
be you.
Speaker 1: We're not confident you could locate a pitch good or bad.
Speaker 2: It just just be you, buddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah uh so. Regardless, Rostein was named by
some and was called in to test fight, including some players.
He testified in front of a grand jury. Rostein, for
what it's worth, said that the series was fixed, but
not by him, and his quote on this was the
whole thing was started by Abe. Tell how many use
my old timey voice for this?
Speaker 2: Of course, the Mayor Voice and some other cheap gamblers
decided to frame the series and make a killing.
Speaker 1: The world knows. I was asked in on the deal,
and my friends know how I turned it down flat.
I don't doubt that a Tel used my name to
put it over. That's been done by smart a mend
than Abe. But I was not in on it, and
I would not have gone into it and under any circumstance,
and did not bet a cent on the series after
I found out what was under way.
Speaker 2: That makes me think he did it more.
Speaker 1: At the very least, there's no way he didn't gamble
on it if he knew it was fixed.
Speaker 2: For sure, him saying I didn't put a cent on
the SERI absolutely not.
Speaker 1: I won't bet on anything that's not on the up
and up. Yeah, that's literally we know that song.
Speaker 3: Nobody actually accused him at first. He just on it
off himself, like oh, that's weird thing to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's like again, if you're a professional gambler,
there's so little to bet on, Like there's there's far
less than there is now, Like you've got you've got
the World Series, which at that time.
Speaker 1: You think like national stuff. There are a million horse races.
Horse Racing is the second biggest sport in the country
at this pestri and boxing dudes are woxing matches.
Speaker 3: We got dudes walking all right, they're gambling on it,
just speed walking.
Speaker 1: And what's funny is I feel like two of the
three sports that we're talking about. You know, Baseball fought
gambling off as hard as it could and stayed around.
Boxing You guys used to box all the time. Boxing
didn't and is dead.
Speaker 3: You had to fight every other week.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then horse racing.
Speaker 3: Tomato Can after Tomato Can, horse.
Speaker 1: Racing just walked through the portal and was like, we
are our sport. The whole point of our sport is gambling. Yeah,
there is no other there is no That's why, it's
why it exists. Yeah, Dan did did you gamble on
the Olympics? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, how'd that go?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: Had Lydia coe? Oh good to win the gold medal.
I also had video code today to win the British.
Speaker 2: Open, So yeah, a good day for you.
Speaker 3: Almost. Well it's safe. It saved me. I didn't have
to pay out.
Speaker 1: A lot of times.
Speaker 2: Dan's victories are not drowning, you know what I mean.
It's pulling yourself out, finding a quick saying, finding a
floating door.
Speaker 1: But no, man like you need to Essentially, you need
to only bet like you're already down two thousand dollars. Yes,
right you.
Speaker 3: That's when I'm at my best. Yeah, is being able
to pull things out of my ass.
Speaker 2: You need to be more desperate.
Speaker 3: It's pressure. It's the same thing in basketball. I could
be like zero for ten in a game. I'm hitting
the game winning shot like I never missed.
Speaker 2: Maybe you just need to take out like a really
high interest loan and just bet.
Speaker 3: I did that. I bets it was called twenty nineteen.
I maxed out all my credit cards, bought a shit
ton of like film equipment, audio equipment, went all in
on myself, and here we are.
Speaker 1: It's not what he's talking about. Do we really need
a grind speech right now?
Speaker 3: Uh No, I'm saying I got sup bud discover.
Speaker 1: That's because sometimes when you pay a credit, when you
pay a company to consolidate your debt, they.
Speaker 3: Don't do it.
Speaker 1: They don't do it. They just tell you they did.
Speaker 2: That's tough, that's that's good, that's good advice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, be on the lookout.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you ever try to consolidate your debt, don't.
Speaker 2: Just don't pay it.
Speaker 1: Don't do it. So Michael Alexander, a different historian. He
essentially thinks that Hotel ab Tell the gambler, fixed the series,
not with Rostein's approval, but Rostin then bent on it
knowing that it was fixed. A number all do that.
And what's interesting about this, though that's probably more evidence
that Rossting was involved in the fix, is that in
like a deposition or whatever or testimony delivered to the
grand jury, a number of white Sox players were like, yes,
it was fixed. Yes, this provided details all of that
written record, because it's only written at that point, only written.
There's no video, there's no audio. It is written down
by court reporters. All of that disappeared. And then when
they during the actual trial, none of them would testify again,
and they all took the fifth it's the way to
do it. Yeah, but enough about the Black Sox scandal,
because that's not what he's great for. Rostin is so
much more than that. In nineteen twenty, prohibition begins and
Rostein has a new fun revenue stream, and that is
illegal booze. He became the biggest bootlaker in the United States. Overnight.
Speaker 3: He fitted the government.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh well, constantly, this man was how alcohol got
into the United States, specifically through Canada in the northeast.
Speaker 2: So like there's a scene I think in he actually
started Nascar. I know how Nascar started right and with
stock cars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, boot lakers, Yeah, you know, he indirectly started huge.
Speaker 2: That's like the Domino, you know, the Domino meme. It's
like the start is like prohibition starts and like Dale
earnhard crashes at this.
Speaker 3: He killed he made a right turn.
Speaker 2: The government. The government killed Dale earnhart By by making
a prohibition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the constitution killed.
Speaker 2: Constitution killed dal learn Heart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he became, uh the biggest boot laker. Like I said,
he also bought a bunch of speakeasies. I mean, this
guy he was very good, very great business acumen about
knowing what was going to be hot. He was specifically
in on Scotch whiskey because he knew that having like
nice booze was going to be like like you were,
you were like elite, top tier if you had nice
booze in your house when booze was banned in America.
Think of like like even if uh, you know, cocaine
is a scary drug or whatever, if someone you trust
deeply is like, look, you don't do cookine, but I have.
I can assure you this is the purest coke of
all time. I watched it be made.
Speaker 2: It is incredible from the jungle, which is like a
key bump. This is jungle cocaine. Look, you've gotta do it.
Speaker 1: It's just how it is, just my friend fucking I'm
not you know, like obviously that's different than a bathroom
bump at you know, three in the morning from a
stranger like park coke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Uh So
Rostein was also responsible. So Rostein did all this. He
saw Booze going off and he was like, people like
getting fucked up, which leads me to believe they might
like getting really really really really fucked up. Maybe. So
he was like, booze is one thing, but I'm gonna
start bringing in drugs. And this man was responsible for
the I don't know how to put this, the industrialization
and like widespread capitalismization of the drug market in the
United States. He started bringing over cocaine and heroin in
huge quantities from Europe, where it was still legal to
manufacture and stuff like that at the time. I mean,
this was like borderline medicinal still in the in the
early twenties.
Speaker 3: But he made it fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he kind of I mean an innovator though if
he if like if he made the drug industry what
it is again, that little domino you can you see
so like Arnold Rostein Josh Hamilton in the two thousand
and eight Derby.
Speaker 3: Josh Hamilton underthrowing a fan and that guy cut like
falling to his death.
Speaker 1: Arl Rostein butterfly effected that man's death into existence in
a I mean, you can.
Speaker 2: Draw, you can forget that Josh Hamilton line. Under threw
that man. Uh people remember? Yeah, the statue outside, there's
definitely a statue of it, is there. I think of
the fan, Yeah, the fan of his son. I think
there's a statue out.
Speaker 3: Yeah. They removed the Hamilton statue at the old stadium.
Speaker 2: I can't remember visit the old state in the new stadium,
but I believe there is a statue of the man
who died and his child at the Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think have been to those stadiums.
Speaker 2: I haven't been to the new one. He had to
have the old one.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's literally across the small stat I've seen.
Speaker 2: I've seen it. The big barbecue girl. Still I just
still just have not taken in.
Speaker 1: A game glove. Life's fine, Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 2: The old one was beautiful. It was just a furnace.
Speaker 1: Beautiful stadium horrible, Yeah, beautiful state, the hottest place on earth.
Speaker 3: What does Hamilton doing these days? Off the wagon?
Speaker 1: He has went on and off again.
Speaker 2: He's been very quiet to.
Speaker 1: The news.
Speaker 2: The news on him has not been strong. No career no, yeah, yeah,
it hasn't been.
Speaker 3: The Lord didn't work.
Speaker 1: Well, might come back around, Yeah, you know for a bit,
it did, Okay, comes and goes.
Speaker 3: It's like a band aid.
Speaker 1: Look, sometimes when Jesus carries you, you have to want
to be carried. Okay, when there's one set of footprints
on the beach, you have to consent to the carry.
That eight SE's and was fucking sick though, like the
best the.
Speaker 3: Home run Derby.
Speaker 2: Remember who won that home in Derby?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Another dude. It was a first basement for the Twins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was legend Monroe more now more?
Speaker 1: Oh boy? What could have been with those teams? This
is why, this is why I kind of like am
getting like very out on not out on baseball, because
I still love baseball. But it's just like like the
Braves are in the middle of like a win win
winning window. They already have one, Yeah you got one,
but like but it's they're so good that it's like, Okay,
I want more than one because I've already lived that life.
Speaker 2: I just I couldn't have less empathy. I know, I
just couldn't. I know, couldn't have west I know.
Speaker 1: But it's we're in dynasty mode, all right, but it
is this type of thing. It's like it doesn't like.
Speaker 3: No, you guys blow, you're not making possibly be.
Speaker 1: And then just don't win and don't win.
Speaker 3: Sam A's missoo you're not gonna make the playoffs this year.
You're like, that's going to be a lot of your
fucking disappointment.
Speaker 1: Goddamn G six team or G four dude, No, your
you think you're P four, but really your G seven.
That's what it is.
Speaker 3: Seven we win the Big twelve, we're in, that's what
we get a path.
Speaker 1: That's gonna I know. It makes me want to puke
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dealers would steal their shit from hospitals, from UH trains
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be sufficient to more than like a small gang to deal.
Do you know what I mean? Like this is Pablo
Escobar shit like he is the first Pablo Escobar in
North America?
Speaker 3: Was he in two exotic animals?
Speaker 1: No, sadly he didn't have time for it.
Speaker 2: Dude, we if he had been, we could have hippo.
There could be hippos running all over it.
Speaker 3: Oh, we already discussed there should be hippos in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: They tried. There was a brief plan when there was
a beef shortage at some point to eat around the
same time, maybe a little earlier, to populate New Orleans.
I'm sorry, Louisiana's swamps with hippos, and we would harvest
their meat.
Speaker 3: It's apparently really good.
Speaker 2: I've seen too many cute videos of Fiona the hippo
from the Cincinnati zoo especially, I don't know if i'd
be eating.
Speaker 3: They're also responsible for the They're responsible for the most
deaths in the world.
Speaker 2: Oh, extremely dangerous hippos.
Speaker 3: I get it New Orleans, Louisiana, and like that's a
total avoid area if there's hippos.
Speaker 2: But like, watching a grown hippo eat a watermelon at
a zoo brings me a lot.
Speaker 1: Of joy I just think about how that could be
my skull, and I'm like, I'll you first, I would
try a hippostiak. It feels blood.
Speaker 2: Burger chain with like hippo meat.
Speaker 3: Do didn't you say it was like utrable with venison,
which sounds kind of dope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it depends some oily meat. Like have
you guys ever eaten goose?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I've never eaten goose.
Speaker 1: It sucked. It was so fucking oily.
Speaker 2: I would assume that, like billionaire yachts, you could probably
get like a hippo steak.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I want something more endangered.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why the whales are coming after him. Solidarity, well,
the whales that are left, Yeah, solidarity. I don't know.
I'll try almost anything once, like I take it back.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would try once if it's already dead,
you know what I mean, I'd need a dolphin sausage.
I didn't kill it, Yeah, human, I would not do that.
I would not do that, Okay, So, but even if
it was consensual, because like there's a story one time
about how a dude he had to have his foot
severed and he cooked his foot for his friend, there's
no fucking way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think. I mean obviously there's like the
desperate time, their dinner party, that the flight.
Speaker 1: The Brazilian soccer team or whatever.
Speaker 2: Guayan I think, yeah, yeah, that one, you know, desperate times,
desperate measures. But do you have to yeah?
Speaker 1: And then oh the other one, the other only other
way you could eat a human where it's like semi
kosher is uh uh? Like a placenta? Yeah, I mean,
would you need some placenta calamari I'm gonna pass.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a hard passed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would. I get stem cells from it?
Speaker 1: Right? Probably not after it's bread and deep fried and
tips in aol ages. But who yeah yeah, uh so
Rostein was again love attention, Uh that never went away.
He would actually once he became this big and this famous,
he would invite journalists to write about him and everything
he was doing. And uh, he didn't worry about the
police reading it because he owned the cops in New York. Keith,
there was he was. There was no one who could
get him in trouble. He was essentially not only was
he the first cartel drug dealer in the Americas maybe anywhere,
he was essentially one of the maybe even the George
Washington on the Mount Rushmore of founding fathers of modern
organized crime. This man invented, or Cohen invented everything you
think about when you think about twentieth century organized crime,
the godfather, anything like that, even like breaking bad like
the cartels and stuff and that.
Speaker 3: Did he have his own Tommy gun?
Speaker 1: He didn't know. He didn't fuck with that. He didn't
need to. I mean he killed, he had people killed,
but he didn't kill anyone. Okay, never took a life.
Speaker 2: This man.
Speaker 1: He did.
Speaker 3: He talks what did he talk like the nineteen twentieskangster.
Speaker 2: Yeah we'll get in there, Sae, Yeah, we'll get to that.
Speaker 1: He did. He did.
Speaker 2: So you talk about the journalist like I all I
see him is like being sworn by all these reports
as you know.
Speaker 1: So he held court, babe, He held court on the
street essentially, and yeah, reports come on.
Speaker 2: Like Rosting got a good test today, You affected any
rights today, And he'd be like, I don't know yet
talking about it. Ah, I'm all on the up and up,
but hey, maybe you should bet uh Pharaoh's chom and
see how cold.
Speaker 1: Like it's like that type of like winky bullshit. Essentially,
he actually will get to it. But he held court
outside of a deli in Loube will get I can't
remember that. But held court outside of a Delai, a
famous deli in New York. So he again needed attention,
wanted credit for being such a big shot or whatever.
He essentially, by the mid nineteen twenties had, like I said,
he controlled the entire heroin and cocaine trade on the
Eastern Seaboard. He invented modern organized crime as we know it.
He owned the police so much that at one point
two detectives broke into one of his illegal dens, did
not knowing he was there. He shot at them, suspecting
them were robbers. Didn't know who they were even there
were cops. The judge dismissed the case. Judges were in
his pockets too, and a journalist wrote in one of
the New York papers, a little pistol practice with policemen
as targets? Or he wrote, what's a little police pistol
practice with policeman's targets when you're a old Rosting? Like
you're allowed to shoot a cops when you're old Rossting.
One day, he even met with a one of the
richest guys in Europe in a hotel. This guy was
so rich that when the Germans UH conquered Belgium in
World War One, he allegedly asked them how much it
would cost just to buy it back and get them
out of there.
Speaker 2: You know, I I'm sure there are criminals who are
just as powerful now, but the fact that he was
this powerful and this famous is incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: You can't be both, No, Yeah, you gotta, you gotta
pick one if you're the name of oligarchs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in America, the cartel what in the name
named Choppo Chapo still.
Speaker 3: Control ship from prison.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But like if you're a famous criminal, he's not in America.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's in prison in America, but he didn't
operate in America. He was Mexican.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he controls the border.
Speaker 2: I feel like, now, if you're a famous criminal, you've
been caught, whereas like he was just like operating. He
was just just as free as he could be and
ever and everyone knew he was a criminal, which is yes, that's.
Speaker 3: Power, all right, So who's the last one? Pablo?
Speaker 1: But in the United States, that's Pablo had so.
Speaker 3: Much influence on the US.
Speaker 1: But he was not based. He's not America based. That's
the difference. Like, this guy is based in Manhattan, Bud Seedleig,
maybe crime boss. It's probably a casino owner. I would
imagine some casino magnate.
Speaker 3: Oh anybody in Vegas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that would be my guess. In nineteen
twenty one, Rostein pulled off his greatest sports gambling scandal.
That's confirmed. He secretly owned a racehorse named Sporting Blood.
It was going to race in the nineteen twenty one
Travers Stakes in Saratoga, New York. To drive up the
odds on Sporting Blood, who was a popular racehorse, so
it was going to get a lot of action, Rostein
conspired with the trainer Sam Hildreth. He was a trainer
of Gray Leg who was like one of the best
horses in the country, so that caused sporting sporting bloods
odds to go up to three to one. They entered
gray Leg last minute, like the day of or the
day before, so his odds rose. Rostein put one hundred
and fifty grand on his horse at three to one
instead of probably even on there, maybe one and a
half to one. Just before post time, without explanation, gray
Leg was scratched and Rossin horse won and collected. He
collected over five hundred grand.
Speaker 3: Gray Leg had a broken leg.
Speaker 2: They never explained why they're just like gray Leg scratched
became glue a little sick.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the nineteen twenties, uh, Rothstein basically ran the entire
city of New York. His nicknames included the Brain, which
is what he liked to be referred to as mister Big,
the Fixer, the man up town, and the big bank roll.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: He was also pretty high on his own supply in
terms of intelligence. He once said there are two million
fools and only one brainy man. So he was just like,
I'm smarter than everybody, which seems accurate.
Speaker 2: To be honest, he was just talking about sack. He
just had a really big wrinkly the thing. I mean,
he had no reason to not be like he's. It
seems seemingly gotten away with literally every everything. Yeah he's
on a he's he's heat checking constant. Yeah, he's like
reverse Scooby Doo villain. I would have gotten away for it.
I would have got away with it too, except I did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: He was also the mentor of several future very famous
New York crime bosses, including Lucky Lucky, Luciano Meyer, Langski Lanski,
Frank Costello, and Bugsy Siegel.
Speaker 2: Cannot wait to watch Bordwalk Empire again. This has getting
me like super Solute, all those Boardwalk Umpire characters.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine the sense. Well though it never does.
Speaker 1: King doesn't. It doesn't.
Speaker 3: It can't leave the business just retiring.
Speaker 1: So Rossine began making money at one point simply by
more or less being the kingpin and running the entire city.
And so he would settle disputes between rival gangs and
be a go between and between you know, the government
and the gangs. And of course he charged good money
for that. His favorite quote office was Lindy's, the Deli
at Broadway and forty ninth Street in Manhattan. He carried
up to one hundred thousand dollars in cash on him
at any given time.
Speaker 2: He would have had zero problems with the tooth fairy.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah right. If anything, a kid would have been
like your Jackie.
Speaker 3: Walk so Floyd Mayweather could run this million dollar bag.
Speaker 1: His wife wrote about him in a book that has
since vanished from everywhere except the Library of Congress, which
I think is interesting. He often stood on the corner,
surrounded by bodyguards at Lindy's at the Delhi He Essentially
that's where he made bets, collected bets, did other kind
of business dealings. His office was just the corner. He
would be out there like a fucking postman. Rain shine, snow,
the weather did not matter. He was on the corner,
on the street, corner doing business, standing there, doing business constantly.
But on November fourth, nineteen twenty eight, his empire came
suddenly crashing down. Rostein was shot and wounded during a
business meeting and Manhattan's Park Central Hotel on Seventh Avenue
near fifty fifth Street. Allegedly, Rostein had lost three hundred
and twenty k in a three day long high stakes
poker game, but refused to pay because he thought the
game was fixed.
Speaker 3: So always a card again, always takes that at mill again,
but like they're refusing to pay.
Speaker 2: It's just the I when on my podcast, like when
I talk with like movies, Like the number one rule
in movies is never die for somebody else's money. The
number two rule is, like, more often than I, don't
die for your own money.
Speaker 3: Pay your debts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pay your debts. Don't die for your own money,
like you can always make it back. And certainly never
die for anyone else's money.
Speaker 1: No, never, So he did die for his own money. Technically,
according to the biographer of a noted gambler of the
era who was in on the fix, his name was
Titanic Thompson. I will be doing an episode with him
because he's great in his own right. It was Thompson
who fixed the game against Rostein. Essentially, Rostein actually lost
most of his money based on a lot of complicated
side bets. Rostein ended up owing three hundred and nineteen
grand to a different gambler who promised to pay most
of that money to Thompson. He lost thirty grand to
Thompson himself and about two hundred grand to other gamblers present.
Rossin apparently also tried to stall in paying because at
first I guess he's gonna pay, but he was like,
I gotta wait till some more cash comes in, gotta
get little more liquid. But good news, I have money
on both Herbert Hoover winning the presidency in twenty eight
and FDR winning the New York governorship. So like, those
bets are gonna cash and I'll be able to pay
you back. But alas he was shot and killed and
the gambler, George Hump McManus was arrested for the murder,
but later acquitted due to a lack of evidence.
Speaker 2: Did did he owe McManus money?
Speaker 1: Yes, McManus was one of the people at the game.
Speaker 3: McManus sounds like a goon, though Hump his name is Hump.
Speaker 2: That also doesn't seem like a way to get paid.
Speaker 1: You're not.
Speaker 2: You don't get your money back at that point. That's
that's unless you know he carries one.
Speaker 1: Hundred grand on him at all times and you're gonna
just take take yeah. Thompson testified Titanic. Thompson testified mcmanis's child,
describing him as a swell loser who would never have
shot Rossine over money. Thompson later told some of his
acquaintances that the killer had not been McManus, but his
own bagman, hymen Biller, who coincidentally went to live a
nice life in Cuba right after Rostein was murdered.
Speaker 2: Is that who hymen Roth from Godfather Too? Is based off?
Speaker 1: Is based on Rostin, named for rost named for Rostin.
He's named for Rostin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe.
Speaker 1: Actually there's a deleted scene I learned in The Godfather
where the hymen Roth character meets Vito Young Vido Collion
in Godfather Too and is like he has like a
very just old world jewelish name, right like Schmoley Smoley,
like just crazy ethnic sounding name, and Vito Coleon is like,
you gotta change, like whatever. And he's like, well, who
what do you change? Who do you admire? And he
mentions like I admire all Rostin, And so he changes
his name to hymen Roth.
Speaker 3: Tom takes him out, but his boy knows he's got
a hundred grand on on at all times, takes the cash,
goes to Cuba, makes out has a nice little life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred grand in cubaineteen twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're good to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Another gangster biographer claims it was Dutch Schultz who murdered Rostin.
He says that was in retaliation for one of Schultz's friends.
Speaker 3: Of the three names, I would prefer to be taken
out by Dutch Schultz, it's just the best.
Speaker 2: Dut Schultz is a good Yeah, it's got the best.
Speaker 3: Ring to it. I don't want to get again. I
don't want to get taken out by a guy named
Hump Hump. Yeah, that's just bad optings. It's not good
rosting for what it's worth.
Speaker 1: Apparently knew who shot him, but never told anyone because
he didn't die right away. He died two days later
in the hospital.
Speaker 2: At first, that's what Cameron. No snitching.
Speaker 1: He didn't snitch, no snitching. At first. When he was shot,
he told his men, get me a taxi. And when
the cops came, because they came before the taxi came,
they asked who did it, and Rostine said, if I live,
I'll tend to it. If I die, the gang will.
Then he kept being interrogated in the hospital and the
police were like, Arnold, were your friends you pay us
who fucking shot you? And he wouldn't tell, and we
kept telling them in gangster talk, you stick to you trade,
I'll stick to mine and me Muda did it, just
wouldn't say it, wouldn't wouldn't give it up. I kind
of think the police should have arrested his mom.
Speaker 3: Lived by the code, died by the code. I had to.
Speaker 2: I had to confirm that that was the uh, the
rapper Cameron who was shot and then refused to give
up who shot him.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, yeah, I would give it up immediately. But
I I respect saying people.
Speaker 3: I like twenty one savage who took the murder weapon
or the weapon that was used to shoot him and
then murder that guy.
Speaker 1: That's sick. Also, yeah, that's pretty solid, but that one savage.
But that is that's all I got today. Arl Rostein
died two days after he was shot. His empire was
divided up amongst his lackeys and cronies and rivals, and
then in the thirties, to a SA extent, the mayor
Firella LaGuardia was elected in New York and he kind
of cracked down an organized crime and had a Orbal
airport named after him. But Yeah, Arnold Rosstein died in
twenty eight, relatively young, in his fifties I think forties,
probably forties. But yeah, that's all I got. Would you
guys learn today?
Speaker 2: I got some excellent context for next time I watched
Boardwalk Empire. Yeah, I know, I don't think this like
in case if you're listening or watching, like if if
I haven't conveyed this enough, I highly recommend Boardwalk Empire.
I think at this time, at this point like underrated.
I can talk about a nine percent.
Speaker 1: I think it suffered from being in a sort of
lull HBO lull post Sopranos Sopranos, and it was post
Deadwood and it was before Game of Thrones, so like
that was at that time. This is what's funny too,
because this is a sick time on HBO, like True
Blood before the fifth season was fantastic, and Boardwalk Empire
was fucking fantastic, and like people were like, oh, there'd
be even having any good shows anymore.
Speaker 2: I think Boardwalk Empire gets punished for not being as
good as The Wire Sopranos, which is fine because like
very few shows are, and also got punished for because
Martin Scorsese was like attached to it. I think he
directed the pilot and then he produced it, and I
think it like it gets lobbed up into expectations of
like it needs to be like good Fellas or something.
Speaker 3: At the same time, though probably way more watchable than
The Wire. Yeah, because a lot of people it's hard
to get into an absolutely excellent period piece.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, it's it's like I I enjoyed a lot.
I think season two is like fucking dynamite, and then
Bobby cana Valley in season three is I'm pretty sure
he wont Emmy for it. He's an incredible villain in
that one.
Speaker 1: I will say Rostin, from what I've seen in the show,
a bit more sophisticated as a person.
Speaker 2: Seems very like measured. Yeah, very doesn't seem very flamboyant
at all. Like the character is very much like doesn't
like people knowing his business, and like seems very this guy.
Speaker 1: This guy seems a little more a little bit of
like Gus Fring.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, where Gus Fring is like, I I am
just your I am just a chicken salesman.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like it's very smart, very quiet, and Rostein does not
appear to have been that way at all?
Speaker 2: Did that act more bombastic?
Speaker 3: What that actor got pretty uh stereotyped with every role
he has now moving forward, he's in The Gentleman. He's
in The Gentleman as essentially like a drug kingping, same character.
Speaker 1: He is that way everything. What did you learn to do?
Speaker 3: I learned that I have a man to model my
life after.
Speaker 2: Pat Burrell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, those same dudes. Let's finish it off
by name of dudes.
Speaker 1: Well, the name of dude is in Who's whose dude
is today's Hitler.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna go with the obvious. It's gonna be Hump.
I'm accusing Hump of not only murdering our boy here,
but just having bad Brandon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't have no way. That was a good
nickname even then, you know something thinks are lost to history,
sort of lost to the translation of time.
Speaker 2: But it's never been a good thing. You can't have
never been a good thing.
Speaker 3: I'm just imagining the nineteen twenties version of the Hump
back from three hundred.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's who got him.
Speaker 1: Yeah sad, that's who got Leonidis too, kind of yeah, yeah,
the the information led to it, Yeah yeah, who's today's
I don't know if you knows today Hitler means today's
a villain because in history of everyone just likes to
bring up Hitler immediately.
Speaker 2: You know what, Uh, Arnold Rosstein's dad for not supporting
his marriage.
Speaker 1: It's fair. I think that's a I think it's a
bad reason. I don't know that would have changed anything
in Arnold. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't, Yeah, I don't. I don't think so either.
But honestly, I'm you know, I believe that, like you know,
sometimes like kids, kids are going to be their own people.
But if you raise one of the most notorious criminals
this world has ever seen, this country has ever seen, Yeah,
you probably do something.
Speaker 1: He is literally on the mount Rushmore of of I've
organized crime in the United States.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you should get a little credit as a father.
Speaker 2: We've like for as much as we've like maligned, like
like Marv Marinovich for how his kid turned out. Like,
I think Arnold Rosstein's father probably deserved some blame.
Speaker 1: It's probably it's not great if you're just a dick.
Give him a little more attention. Yeah, you can't just
lavish all the praise on Harry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly the world didn't need another rabbi.
Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna either when we two. Oh you're saying
Harry wasn't that special. Yeah, I mean that's fair. It's
just going into You can be a priest, you can
be a rabbit whatever. Who cares. Arnold was did the
big There's only one Arnold? Yeah, truly he.
Speaker 3: I mean he made a name for himself in this world.
We're talking about him now, not talking about his bitch
ass brother.
Speaker 1: No, No, just a footnote.
Speaker 2: He's in zero movies, no brother. Uh.
Speaker 1: That is all I got for today, one more time.
Kyle's movie or Kyle's book rather, I'm sorry, is movies
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Speaker 2: I am on Twitter at Kyle banduho uh and then
Big Streen Sports the sports movie podcast. It comes at
you every Monday. We're right in the middle of recapping
Shorsey Season one. Have you guys watched Horsy? I have
love Horzy. Not as good as Letter kennycky Yeah, yeah, yeah,
so I had seen Letter Kenny. So I will say
Letter Kenny is not like you don't have to have
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based yeah, based on a it's a character from Letter Kenny.
Speaker 1: Uh.
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we do movies. In the premise now is all movies
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Kyle is a prolific podcaster a Baseball America one
is super cool. He talks to a lot of I've
been on the Sports one a couple of times. Yes,
have you been on the Sports Movie one as well?
Speaker 3: No original podcast, which was dad Gum. Yeah, I was
giving fatherly advice when I was twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Did you win the father competition with Jake? I did?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, I've never lost a competition on this podcast.
Speaker 1: I wan't talk about that.
Speaker 3: I'm a better Catholic. I'm a better father, well not
in me, but than Jake. Yes, I'm probably a better
father than you too.
Speaker 1: I guess the only one way to find out.
Speaker 2: We have to got to raise Rob's kids for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will a year with of you, then a
year back with Rob and then you kind of then
we figured it out.
Speaker 3: They're gonna beef here, fucked up. They're gonna start lifting
at like two. You give me Finn. I'll take care
of Finn. Okay, you can have bitch ash Worriam. We'll compare.
Speaker 1: Okay, sounds good. I mean Finn's the harder, harder project.
He's like fiftieth percentile. Rory's like ninetieth and everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you ignore your kid because he's the second born,
he's the middle child.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I keep finding Finn standing over Rory's bed with
a knife. Fucked.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna raise him to be this guy to.
Speaker 1: Sounds right, to be honest, But anyway, that is all
I got, Kyle, thank you so much for joining us again.
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