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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another weekly review episode

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of Geek First Podcast. I am one of your hosts,

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the guitar Kirklin Patzer.

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Speaker 2: I am the Eli taylor Field.

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Speaker 1: Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we got the last of us

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season two penultimate episode, if I'm not mistaken, And before

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we get into the juice of what is this show

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just a couple of plugs to shout out and or

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is all finished completely which is sad, But go check

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out those reviews. Those are on the feed. I feel

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like we have a movie review out, but it's it's

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probably been a while because I think What Thunderbolts was

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the last review that we did right on the main feed. Wow,

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it's a little while ago. But we got Mission Impossible

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eight coming out this week, which I'm super excited for.

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We got our Michigan Impossible retros that are on the

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Patreon feeds right now. So go check out Patreon where

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you get everything early, ad free exclusive. Where's our little

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banner there it is? Yeah, we got different tiers on there,

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and our highest tier, which is the number one supporters

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of the podcast. We got our Patreon producers Aaron Brayden,

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April of Darkness, Jack Grant, Sam Super Bad, Mike, The Good,

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God Loves Me sixty nine, Jeremy Renner, Charlie Randell, Cocktail Clay. Wow,

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it's getting longer to say. I almost have to take

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a breath as we're going, which is fantastic. So shouts

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out to each and every one of you for sporting

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the show. And yeah, there's probably a couple other things.

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Shout out. I got side quests always.

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Speaker 1: I think Travis and Dylan are gonna be talking about

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Doomed Dark Ages this week, so if you're interested in that,

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go check that out. And I know we got a

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juicy weekly geek that's brewing right now. You and me,

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Taylor are gonna be tackling that at some point this week.

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So yeah, lots of good stuff. Keep your eyes on

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the feeds. Without further ado, let's get into it. So

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taytor Field, you were not with me. You know, we're

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just talking half cast. I'm the only remaining member that's

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been on every single week, so I feel like that

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doesn't often happen where there's just one person that's on

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there for a review. It's usually like one person might

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have to miss an episode two, but this has been

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quite the rotation. And thank you for joining me this week.

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What did you think quick thoughts from last week? Because

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you were on two weeks ago, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I'm like alternating weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. And then Travis is like to

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to miss to too, you know, he does odd And

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then I think we're still waiting for Dylan to join

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one of this week's We'll see if he catches up

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for the finale next week. But yeah, what did you

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think of last week's episode? And yeah, just lead that

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into your this week's spoiler free of course, and we'll

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Speaker 2: Free spoiler free. Yeah, last week's episode was really, really good.

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I thoroughly enjoyed it, and it had lots of moments

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that I was just kind of like biting down on

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my tongue, biting down on my gritting my teeth, biting

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my gums, just thinking this is just like gums biting

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the gums. Yeah, this is just some chaotic shit going

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on here. But it's just it was getting more into

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the mess of Ellie's revenge to go and get justification

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for vindication or whatever you want. To call on Joel's death,

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and so she's out there with with her lady friend.

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Speaker 2: I didn't get to speak to this last week obviously

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it now. I'm sure lots of people are probably riding

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and freaking out. I've seen a couple of people post

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about how you know her friend is pregnant, and Ellie

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just pissed off about this, and you know what, like

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it doesn't matter. But it really doesn't matter in the

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fucking apocalypse because there's no how does it matter? Like

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humanity is like almost at an end endgame here, the

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social construct of things. Who gives a flying fuck? I mean,

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who gives a fuck about it now? But I just

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wanted to reiterate it, like it doesn't matter. I mean,

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if you're pissed off, it's the apocalypse. I mean, do

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about it? No, so you shuck either. So there's my

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though that. I also wanted to highlight her friend tag

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she is doing this not just for Ellie. She's going

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with Ellie to help Ellie get that revenge, but she's

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being a very important friend to her. So it just

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because of Ellie's pain and revenge and all that. And

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haven't played the games, so this is all in charge

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of territory for me. I really thought something was going

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these fuckers, they turned around there's like another five. Holy fuck,

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this is terrifying. And then not Seth. I never I

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want to call him Seth. What's his name? He shows

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Speaker 2: I always want to call him Seth.

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he's not that good out there. But yeah, what did

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you say he used to be an officer.

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I used to be an officer. And he likes Lego's

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big fan of Lego bricks. But we'll talk about that later. Yeah.

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but you know, Tommy is there and they basically saved them.

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just the the breathable spores and the spores that can

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that just gave me the heb gbs. And just seeing

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like Buddy on the wall exhaling like some bad asthma,

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just putting this shit out there. That's not what you want.

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sitting there exhaling, thinking like how did I get into

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this position? Let me tell you kind of a scenario.

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of the crew type situation. You know, they're definitely not

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fully there, but they can just pop out and tell

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this because you have a chance of being freed, right,

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and like people can visit you. You know, people aren't

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the cellars of where the quarterceps are. I guess Elie's

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the only one that could do that. But no, I

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would take part of the ship up, part of the crew.

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it it was packed with the feels. And I watched

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it with Madison. She her heart just terrors because there's

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just you feel for some of these characters, one character

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it's it's sad and it's heavy, and they do a

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really good job at just selling that emotion to the viewer,

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and there's there's so many things, and one actor in particular,

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he's just if he was already top tier, top ten

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before and now I mean he's just like reaffirms that

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goes into like the top crescendo tier. I don't know,

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he's just he's amazing. He's an amazing actor, not seth uh.

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Speaker 1: But you got from the matrix, right, is that you're

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talking about the witch guy? Oh, I'll pull his name up.

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I can't remember his name. You keep going, oh, I'm curious.

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Speaker 1: It's like Cipher. Yeah, yeah, it is Cipher, Joe Pantaliano.

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Speaker 1: We're not talking about that. No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 2: This is a really really good episode. It was really good,

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really grounding, and yeah, it's just it was a calm

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before the storm. Even though there was a lot of

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emotion packed into it, and even though it covers a

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lot of ground, it doesn't feel rushed, and I feel

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like it really does its job to help us understand

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the dynamics and a lot more context to fill that

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backstory that we were maybe missing when we got into

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like episode one, and I think if people watched that

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first episode and then episode two and how things kind

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of escalated, and people might think, oh, I was kind

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of missing a little bit of stuff. Get to this

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episode and you're going to have a lot more information

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It puts a positive sp on this season in a

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immense way. So well done.

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with how last week ended, and I was looking forward

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feel like unsettled too strong a word, but I was perturbed,

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the season here, and this is a lot of stuff

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sprinkled throughout the whole season, just so that we would

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get a little bit more Paidro inclusion, because he's just fantastic,

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especially in Yeah, he's just fantastic in general, but also

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as Joel Miller. I just really like that performance. And

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then to see him working with like across Bella. I

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think those two are just fantastic. So it makes sense

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for four or five minutes per week. So it makes

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sense why we get it, And after watching it, I

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actually really like the way that it's done now, so

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was a really really good way and probably the best

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way to do it, honestly. The flashback sequence because you know,

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this is like very heavy emotional also, you know you're

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kind of talking about that. Also, like this one hits

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in the feels I think pretty much throughout, and it

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has a big reveal that I kind of knew what

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the reveal was, but to just finally get it on screen,

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performances between Pedro and Bella. I just think they both

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honestly like both of them, like fifty percent. I don't

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think there was really one better than the other. I

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think they both brought it and they kind of had

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these two are like talking to each other. It's of

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heavy one with what we got now, and I like

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it comes here and we still have quite a few

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where it happened, just because the big event happens in

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so many different reasons. But you get like multiple episodes

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same way because we had so much time to kind

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of stew on it. That's at least my take on it.

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So yeah, I think there's a really really stalar episode.

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It's mostly just character stuff which is really really well done.

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They go to some really beautiful places and but yeah,

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like throughout is just a really sad our episode and

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definitely I feel like a lot more caught up I

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think with everything going forward, Like I don't feel too

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head scratching on certain characters. I don't want to say motivations,

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but just kind of what their thoughts are. But yeah, no,

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I think this is really really good and kind of sad.

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It's coming to an end so quickly here just because

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it is so top tier of a show. It's really

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really well made. But yeah, no, it's I think I'll

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leave it there for spoiler free. If you have anything

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else you want to mention forever.

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Speaker 2: Older piece, I'm holding that piece.

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Speaker 1: All right. We're gonna hold our pieces and we'll be

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right back to break down this episode spoilers. We're right back,

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all right, We're back. Anywhere you want to jump to. First,

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my guest is all that you.

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Speaker 2: Let me pick, Let me pick. I want I want

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to highlight how they chose to focus on like time

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jumping and we covered four years. I want to say,

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but each year, specifically, the date of each year time

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jump was the birthday. I really liked this because it

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it shows the great happy times and then it just

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takes those feels and it cuts them up and puts

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them back in your chest when things go sideways. I

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really like that, especially when they come off of just

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this crazy sequence of just the space shuttle and all that,

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which was just that was so beautiful and so.

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Speaker 1: Fun Jurassic Park Park.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was amazing, and it just totally goes

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kerfuffle when yeah, it catches her in her in her

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room doing all that funky stuff, the drugs and the

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tattoos and all the craziness, and so then you see, okay,

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this is when he's helping her move into the garage,

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and it just spirals out after that. I wasn't expecting

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a two year time jump, and I wasn't even really

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sure how many years they were living in this colony

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four in Jackson, So now we know. I think it

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was like five now at least around there, because she was.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen in the season one and then she was nineteen,

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So five years jump. I think they actually say that

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in this first episode of the season if I remember correctly.

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I can't think it says five years later.

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Speaker 2: I'll secure word for it.

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Speaker 1: I just have that in my mind because everything does

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a five year jump. Now I'll start old.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I can see it now. Yes, there was

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five years later. Yeah, because it was when the fireflies

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were talking, I was like five years later.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's this adds so much context to what

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we were missing from that New Year's episode where it's Okay,

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the relationship is really rocky, what's going on here? And

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I mean people can probably counter and have problems with

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the way that they're telling the story and how they

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choose to do it, but I do like it. I

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like that we were kind of kept on edge about wondering, Okay,

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what's really going then we lost Joel and how we're revisiting.

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And I'm not always I'm not always been a big

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fan of the flashback episode. After the fact, I kind

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of like because that we know he's the fact that

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he is dead though, it changes that dynamic for me

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in this sense with the flashback because Okay, he's dead,

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these scenes carry that much more weight and they they

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really hit home a lot more, especially because he's dead.

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So when you get to the the end of it

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where she is now back in Seattle and she's gonna

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be kicking ass and killing Abby's, yeah, you can just

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you can really feel like the passion behind her, especially

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because in one of those moments she was choosing to

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want to forgive Joel for what he had done, and

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it seemed like, okay, they could have they could have

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turned things around. But anyways, I kind of I spread

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spread out my wings a little too much the birthdays

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and all that flashbacks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree with you. I think it's

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a good just kind of checkpoint to have for every

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year jump, just checking in on her birthday because it's

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it's it's an event for like, no matter what's going on,

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it would make sense why Ellie and Joel are together

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on that event, especially starting at the beginning when it's

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it's just right off of essentially season one, like one

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year later, so they're still really close and no like

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stewing hatred, And I liked how just sprinkled throughout the

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year jumps. You know, we got a two year jump

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in between there, but it just it makes sense, I think,

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like the am I trying to say this, like the

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way that it's it's eating away at Ellie, just like

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the question that maybe she thought she could just kind

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of look past, but then it's just always kind of

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nagging her, and it's something where like she I think

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she always believes that she knew like that was the case,

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but then she's kind of lying to herself. And then

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just the more time she has to do on it,

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the more it's, the more she analyzes it, the more

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it doesn't make sense, right, like the way that Joel

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kind of phrased it with the raiders and everything, just

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how everything went down at the end of season one,

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and that's something that in the episode two event, I

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felt like I was really just I was I wasn't

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expecting to lose Joel that early, and then I just

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didn't understand like the hatred towards like Joel from Ellie's perspective,

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So it was a lot of just head scratching and confusion.

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Whereas I feel like now I totally understand and the

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way that it was laid out in this episode, her

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feelings back in that episode two or I guess before

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that episode one, it makes sense now, So I think

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this is like perfect result that you kind of wanted

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from this flashback, So I think they definitely did a

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good job. And to contain it just in one episode,

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I think is another thumbs up, because like there's a

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lot of filling in in this episode and I'm glad

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I'm not like, well, they still didn't answer this, you know,

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towards those two characters. So I think they rounded out

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the kind of the loose threads around Joel and Ellie,

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which which was important and that's really what this episode

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was for, and I definitely think they achieved that. But yeah, no,

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I think it was really well done. Obviously, just like

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all the scenes of them together and just like enjoying

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each other's company, like especially in the first flashback, like

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I was joking when they go to Jurassic Park and

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like that's just so like wholesome. And of course I'm

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just thinking about how Joel's brutally murdered and she that's

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how she saw him, and then up until this point,

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I'm just thinking how like they never actually got to

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say like a final goodbye, because that's how it was

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revealed in that episode two. So I'm just like basically

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choking up and all these like really heartfelt moments and

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then I'm just gonna skip ahead here because I'm thinking

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about it right now, but to the point that it

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gets to not really modern day, but the most modern

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of the flashbacks, when it is like the New Year's party,

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and then you know Seth's being Seth's being Seth. And

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then it gets to that moment when they see each

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other in the snow and they don't say anything, and

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I'm like, ah, and they never get to see each other,

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and then she fucking takes a couple steps up on

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the deck and they actually reveal that there's more to

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that scene, and that was like a like a holy shit,

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gasp moment, Like I was totally uh surprised by that.

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I thought that was really really well done of just

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revealing to us that there was more to that sequence,

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and they did kinda talk about it, and obviously it's

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not like a Kumbaya moment like I'm sorry for all

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the things she's still really mad at him. But I

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think the line that really hit me hard was when

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she's like, but I can try to, like showing that

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she's not fully or Joel's not fully dead to her.

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I just thought that was like such a gut punch

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because it's already super emotional, just knowing everything that we know,

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but knowing that, like deep down her heart she knew that,

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like they are still somewhat of a father daughter you know, dynamic.

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And yeah, that was just that one like really got

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to me. So I think that part of the episode

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was my favorite. Uh, just kind of letting us, yeah,

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just feeling us in that there was a little bit

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more to that, and I am a little bit happier

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knowing that Jewel died at least being able to like

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tell her the truth. And of course they're both just

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totally selling the sequence, both Bella and ud Joel Pedro

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and Bella are just getting super emotional and just yeah, no,

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that was like chef's kiss type of scene for me.

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But pretty much all the flashbacks it was. It was

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tough too because just them adventuring together, and every time

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Joel's like, oh, like we should do this more often,

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I'm like, man, like I just missed that dynamic of

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season one when like it was always those two together.

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So yeah, I was just eating all that up. But yeah,

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I covered a lot there, pretty much every flashback there,

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but mostly just the sequence. Yeah, when Joel's like fixing

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the guitar, drinking his coffee and they chat the in

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how that work out for you? Were you surprised? So

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we got a little bit more there, did you think

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we were?

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Speaker 2: I was very surprised. I was not expecting that, but

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I loved it. Joel is such a handyman. I would

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love to feel like if I owned a home, I'd

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love to call him up to come and work on

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my property. He's so good kutting out bones and making

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guitars and all that. Yeah, this this setting and the

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application here of just establishing okay, this is him taking

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into this father role quite well, and Ellie just taken

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in the fact that I'm your daughter kind of a thing.

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And it really really works. And it was really heartwarming

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to see their relationship kind of unfolding here. And yeah,

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I really like that and how it escalates from that

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and you start to see the the year's kick in

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and things change. I was not expecting us to get

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Joel's perspective when we got up to the New Year's

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party and he drops Seth and whatnot. Yeah, like I

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I just think it's it's it has a lot of

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weight after everything that we've seen on top of these

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flashbacks now, adding a little bit more context to get

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to that point he had already mentioned, where she says like,

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I can never forgive you this, but I want to try.

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It's just heavy, and I'm sad that that got taken

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away from us. We never get to but maybe these

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flashbacks are her way of processing it. And when she

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kills Abby, that's gonna be her like, Joel, I forgive

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you because she feels her purpose was taken away. She

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felt her purpose was to die so that she could

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save humanity. But man, Pedro Pascal, fuck, he's good when

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he's this, like I love you in a way that

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you just you can't understand. I'm like, oh my god,

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I love you too, Pedro. He's just doing such a

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good job. And man, oh man, oh man, especially when

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he was in the astronaut ship and he's with La

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and he's like, did I do good? And she's like yeah,

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and he like looks back up and you just see

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like a little tear coming out the side of his

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eye and his eyes getting watery. I'm like it, Fuck,

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this man is incredible. God damn. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then we got uh, speaking of backs, we

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got a young Joel and young Tommy with their papa,

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the Swordsman. I wasn't expecting to see him the MCU

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Swordsman coming in here. And yeah, I did like this

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pretty much just because of how it led to that

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line at the end, like when he's on the porch

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and just saying, I'm in a paraphrase lin because I'm

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gonna not remember it properly, but essentially just like if

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you ever have kids your own, I hope you do

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better than how I did. So it was just like

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a powerful full circle moment of like especially when his

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dad's telling him the story of like how terrible his

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dad was, and then it's just like this circle of

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you know, Pedro's dad was like abusive, probably an alcoholic,

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and then I mean, Joel never abused Ellie. I don't

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think so, so I guess he is doing better. And

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then we'll see. We'll see if Ellie ever gets to

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be the papa to uh Dina's child. I don't know

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if that happens or not. We'll see.

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Speaker 2: Did you think that Joel's dad was gonna like pull

473
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a grandpa on him? Because when he's like, yeah, beat

474
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:06,920
the ship up, got out of got out of the car,

475
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,359
and he broke my job. Blood was everywhere, and it

476
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,160
was quiet. I'm thinking, Oh, what's he gonna do to Joel.

477
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was expecting something like that to happen, So

478
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,920
I guess credit to that father because he didn't end

479
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,440
up doing it. I found it funny how I mean,

480
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,880
it is the eighties, you know, so times were different.

481
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,480
But he just like crushes this Budweiser with his son.

482
00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:29,599
It's like, I gotta get back on shift break.

483
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,759
Speaker 2: He's a cop by the way, Yeah, just.

484
00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:34,319
Speaker 1: Crushing this beard going back out there, and like, yeah,

485
00:24:34,319 --> 00:24:36,440
that's probably how it was back in the eighties early

486
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:41,319
eighties Texas sheriff there. But no, I think that was

487
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,680
I don't know. It definitely not the best scene out

488
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,039
of the bunch in this episode, but I still think

489
00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:49,559
it did a good enough job. It just kind of

490
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,319
adding a little bit of extra substance to the character

491
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,960
of Joel, and then really it just it just amplified.

492
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,759
I think that line at the end when he's because

493
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,920
Joel just you know, he's seeing that side of his

494
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,759
own father, and then he obviously knows that he's not

495
00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:06,759
a perfect individual, and then he's just trying to be

496
00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:09,480
the best that he can for Ellie and then just

497
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,440
how it ends, obviously not how he would have wanted

498
00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:15,079
to go, but because he is a very flawed character, right,

499
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,960
and I think he makes a lot of not the

500
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,559
best decisions, but he makes the best decisions to what

501
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,200
he thinks is not necessarily right, but like I guess,

502
00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:27,480
I guess it is the right thing to do in

503
00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:30,160
a survival setting. I guess we can just kind of

504
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:35,680
transition to the Eugene sequence with Cipher. I chuckle so

505
00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:39,400
hard just just seeing him there, and like we probably

506
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,039
got him in a trailer, Like I probably knew this

507
00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:44,039
actor was gonna be in this show, but I feel

508
00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:46,440
like it's just this big Eugene thing that's been thrown

509
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,200
around throughout this whole Season's like, when are we gonna

510
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,240
fucking see Eugene. And then as soon as they're on

511
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,519
patrol and then they talk about Adam and Eugene, I'm like,

512
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:55,559
oh my god, Eugene is just You're done Norman, like

513
00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:57,960
like you're out Norman, Like he is so done in

514
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,039
the sequence, and then they go and find him and

515
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,720
it's just Cipher there, and I just think of the

516
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,200
Matrix and I'm just chockolate to myself, But yeah, Eugene

517
00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:11,400
got got bit on the ribs and pretty dark handling

518
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,680
of the situation. It's not really how I thought it was.

519
00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:16,599
I thought it was just because like the way that

520
00:26:16,599 --> 00:26:18,359
it was talked about, I thought, you, I thought Eugene

521
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,200
got bit maybe like around the town and then everyone

522
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,319
just like knew that he was infected, and then like

523
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,440
every like it was just like a more collaborative effort

524
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,759
amongst the town, like a council decision, like Kate, we

525
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:31,200
gotta just end Eugene here. Because when Catherine O'Hara talks

526
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,920
about that event in episode I think it's episode one,

527
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,119
she's like, yeah, I know you had to do it,

528
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,480
Like it just seemed like it was a lot more

529
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,039
clear of a situation, whereas this it's a lot more

530
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,920
I feel like nefarious or sinister is too extreme of

531
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,039
a word is to use, but it is kind of

532
00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:51,799
like there's some lies in there, and then uh, of

533
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:55,960
course Ellie just drops the big bomb to to her there.

534
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,200
But yeah, what do you think about the Eugene reveal here?

535
00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:04,039
And is Joel on the right are you signing with

536
00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:05,880
Ellie here? You are you ratting him out right in

537
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,400
front of the widow. I think that's a pretty bold

538
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,079
move to play. Obviously, Ellie was very emotional in that moment,

539
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,839
so to an extent I understand, but still fuck Ellie, like,

540
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,960
come on, I'm like, you just pain to this grieving

541
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,400
widow here. But again, she is emotional, she's only what

542
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,559
was she nineteen? I think in that sequence nineteen?

543
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, first patrol. Everything that happened with Eugene, it's it's

544
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:37,240
very unfortunate, and I Joel, there's there are rules in place,

545
00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:41,599
like bringing him back was not the right idea, and

546
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,759
that's I'm assuming that's based on the rules that are

547
00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:47,720
established by Jackson and the council and everything like that.

548
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:54,640
So it's a tricky situation. But I don't think Joel

549
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,400
handled it the right way by any means. I don't

550
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,240
think that, you know, he definitely, I feel like he

551
00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:01,559
died it was in peace. I feel like that scene

552
00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:03,440
definitely sold me that he was able to see her

553
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:08,200
and see his wife and pass in peace. But it

554
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,599
could have he could have had actual, real satisfaction by

555
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,400
seeing his wife in person. I guess too, like it

556
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,519
could have gone a different way. I feel kind of

557
00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:21,720
on the side with Ellie and that's it's a conflict

558
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:24,640
of interests. I'm no expert. When you're in these situations

559
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,960
in the Apocalypse and you got zombies and corterceps and

560
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,680
clickers all that kind of stuff, you have to be

561
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:33,759
careful because it's your humanity that will cost you lives.

562
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:36,279
It'll cost you could cost you your own life. Whe

563
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:39,839
they're not you're saving just regular other people and they

564
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,880
they're raiders or something, or you're saving someone who's bit

565
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,319
I don't know. You got to be very careful. Joel was.

566
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:50,920
He's changed a lot, as we've seen through the birthdays

567
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,119
and everything, and I think it kind of helps remind you, Okay,

568
00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:54,880
he's really changing. He's not like that guy that he

569
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,880
was before, where he was pretty, you know, cold blooded

570
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,880
killer kind of a thing before he met Ellie back

571
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,680
in season one. So here he is now, and then

572
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,559
we're reminded that deep down he is still that broken character.

573
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:09,440
Deep down, he's still that Jole that we knew and

574
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,839
we're familiar with from that first season. Even after we've

575
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:14,039
had all these scenes of him warming up to Ellie

576
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:16,680
and doing all these very sweet special moments and things

577
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,880
for her birthdays, he still is a part of that

578
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,319
old self deep down inside of him. So it adds

579
00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:26,000
a lot more to again the line that we were

580
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,400
talking about, when you have your own, just do a

581
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,240
little bit better than I did. It just it knocks

582
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,759
out of the park. So these all these different scenes,

583
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,839
they all just build up to that climactic moment there

584
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,519
with with Ellie when he says that, and it just

585
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:42,960
adds a lot more cushion behind it, to a lot

586
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,480
more ammunition. But yeah, I do feel bad for you, Jim.

587
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:48,079
I just wanted to see his wife pulls out a

588
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:49,880
gun with no ammo. I mean even I saw that

589
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,319
thing was not loaded. But he's just he's in disarray.

590
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,160
He got a nasty rib shot. Yeah, it's it's just

591
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,200
it's freaky. I feel like they're very lax walking through

592
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,480
the woods, especially when you see a horse with a

593
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,839
dead body dragon off the side.

594
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:05,799
Speaker 1: It's like, man, this is oh Elli and Joel.

595
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like you'd want to get to like

596
00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:13,119
high ground or something. And I guess they I only

597
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,640
saw two clickers, so I guess maybe they were just

598
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,319
caught really off guard when they were down there. But yeah,

599
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:26,359
I don't know, I don't know. It sucks that him

600
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,000
going about lying and I'm just rambling at this point,

601
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,079
but in closing him lying to Gail and saying those

602
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:35,160
things like even my job dropped. How he said those

603
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,640
things like he did it himself. He wished you the best,

604
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:41,960
you know, Tata man, this is just some this is crazy.

605
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's like they like take the bag off.

606
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,400
It's like you shot himself? Why did you shoot himself

607
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,599
six times? You know? No, it didn't go that way.

608
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:57,359
I mean, like what do you do in that situation though? Right,

609
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,359
Like like Keelleen, she lost her hus been. If you

610
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,799
tell her the truth, it's obviously gonna make it way worse,

611
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,400
like at the end of the day, the results the same.

612
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:10,960
I I don't know. I think it's I guess it's

613
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,400
a moral moral dilemma question there of like what's what's

614
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,599
more right. I definitely think there's rules in place for

615
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,480
a reason, you know, for the safety of Jackson, because

616
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:26,839
worst case scenario, they get this guy to Jackson, and

617
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:30,119
as you're already laid out, the weakest link amongst this

618
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:32,759
is just like the human connection, the human emotion of

619
00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:37,440
like maybe Gail really really doesn't want, you know, to

620
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:39,599
accept the fact that her her husband is a death

621
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,200
sentence here, and she I don't know, gets close to him.

622
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:45,640
He turns she but he bites her, so another person

623
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,960
tries to save her, like like it could just chain

624
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:51,279
that way in domino effect and really be like a

625
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,559
worse event than it is. So I totally understand the

626
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,000
rule that is in place, like it it is better

627
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,400
for safety wise to just end him. Right then Joel

628
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,279
lies straight up to Ellie, which is a big no no,

629
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:08,960
especially just like abusing her trust like that. It's something

630
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,359
that she's already kind of questioning because the whole firefly thing.

631
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:15,799
So yeah, I think that by the time, like Ellie

632
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,480
rats him out in front of Gail, I think it's

633
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,359
pretty fucked up. But at the same time, I understand

634
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:22,599
why she does it because Joel just like lied to

635
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,960
her the exact same way that he lied to Ellie,

636
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,839
and Ellie's understanding now that it's it's not the first

637
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:32,640
time that's happened to a very big lie. So I

638
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,039
think for like just as a show sake, Like I

639
00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:41,000
thought that was a really well played sequence. I think,

640
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,960
although personally I would have handled it differently, I think

641
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:49,279
just for drama's sake, for entertainment wise, it was handled

642
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:53,559
really well. But yeah, I then getting back to like

643
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:56,559
the actual decision for Joel, I think it's kind of

644
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,680
nice that, you know, he brings this guy to like

645
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:01,640
you kind of good fellows him. Hey, it's like you're

646
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,039
gonna be a maid man, you know, I'm gonna take

647
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:05,119
you to Gail Enters the room. He's like, oh fuck,

648
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:10,839
just shot in the head. In that moment, like I

649
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:13,400
feel like I would almost just want to not have

650
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:14,960
a big lead up, like just take me to a

651
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:17,440
nice view and then just like put a bullet in

652
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:19,359
my head. And it's just like that. It's really quickly.

653
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,720
I don't have time to like really understand the situation

654
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,440
of just begging, you know, to go see Gail, and

655
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,440
it's just like a ripping off the bandit.

656
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, as soon as you see the beautiful sunrise,

657
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:31,880
Like fuck, like we're all Eugene in that moment.

658
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:39,079
Speaker 1: We're yeah, no, it is tough. I think the lie

659
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,519
is what makes it so bad, especially the lied to

660
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:44,480
Ellie and everything. And then yeah, he's like just lining

661
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:46,720
straight up to the grieving Gale in that moment. So

662
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:49,759
at the end of the day, it's a lose lose situation, like,

663
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:53,759
there's no like great way to go about it. But yeah,

664
00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:56,640
I understand. I think the hatred from Gail towards Joel,

665
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,920
especially realizing that it was like just lying right to

666
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,240
her face right then and there and then. But yeah,

667
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:05,680
it's it's a powerful sequence.

668
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: The tricky thing is that Joel's like, oh, you know,

669
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:11,440
he did himself. And you know, if you do it yourself,

670
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,119
I think you're shooting yourself a certain way. But if

671
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,880
she's like, I want to see I want to see him.

672
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: Look, is there a bullet hole in the back of

673
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,920
his head to get the gun in the back of

674
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:20,280
the head.

675
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

676
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 1: No, definitely not. And I imagine she would have seen

677
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,119
it at some point. Maybe not, maybe she doesn't want

678
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:31,480
to see. But I digress. It's like another ad break

679
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,679
here and then we'll we'll jump back into it. All right,

680
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,519
we are now back. There's something else I had on

681
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:43,880
that little goodbye sequence. I don't know. Do you have

682
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,800
anything on the execution of Eugene?

683
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:53,599
Speaker 2: Oh? Hm, no, I think we covered it.

684
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, moving on? What else do we get here?

685
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,119
We already talked about the ending, just the filling and

686
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:07,079
the Cracks flashback there, Gail, we already talked about. I

687
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:09,519
feel like we covered a lot already, just because we're

688
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:11,519
kind of jumping around a lot of flashbacks in this

689
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:19,519
episode in particular. Oh geez, yeah, we got uh what's

690
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:26,280
his name, Seth's Legos, Yes, Seth Legos got revealed Pedro.

691
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,960
He got some coffee, you know, like the night before

692
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,519
he died. So that's kind of nice. He's big coffee drinkers.

693
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:34,400
Coffee drinking myself. I can respect that. What do you

694
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,119
think you traded for it? He said, you you know

695
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,960
you'd be What does he say to Ellie? It's like,

696
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,159
you don't want to know what I had to trade

697
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:41,519
to get.

698
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: To Yeah, yeah, I'm a very fertile man.

699
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: Oh, I guess. Like the space sequence, I thought that

700
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,320
was pretty pretty fun and touching. And I think Bella

701
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,239
does such a good job at just like looking like

702
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:07,320
a genuinely uh just happy and surprised like child in

703
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,519
that in that moment, because I think I think this

704
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:14,559
is her fifteenth birthday for this. Yeah, Like she sees

705
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:17,239
the dinosaur Land and just every it just seems like

706
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,559
everything that Pedro is like or not Paigro Joel is

707
00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:22,480
like giving to her as a as a gift in

708
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:25,119
that moment is just like toppying the thing after it.

709
00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:27,199
And I think that's something that they do a really

710
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,679
good job in season one. And I'm playing the first

711
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,440
game right now and just getting a little bit of

712
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,760
experience through like the younger Ellie, and I like, that's

713
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,840
a that's a big trait that she has. It's just

714
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,000
being a child that like grew up in this apocalypse.

715
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:42,639
Every time she sees something that's like new to her,

716
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:46,480
she is just so like joyful and youthful and innocent

717
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:49,360
in those sequences. And to get flashbacks to this, even

718
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,039
though it is in season two, you know, she's a

719
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:54,079
very fucked up individual. I don't think she'll ever quite

720
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:57,920
be this innocent again, just just for how far she's

721
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,440
gone in the the vicious nature sure of her, you know,

722
00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:04,920
path the revenge for Abby and Folk. But it was

723
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,800
a nice little just glimpse of, Oh, this would be

724
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,280
nice if they could have just been happy together. Obviously

725
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,039
the show would be a lot less entertaining. But uh, well,

726
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:17,960
we wouldn't even have a show if they just were

727
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,239
happy for the rest of their days. But yeah, no,

728
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:22,480
I like how they're able to capture that though.

729
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:25,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did that with one scene in season one,

730
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,639
and I like those momentes where Ellie's just mystified by

731
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:30,880
seeing these different things from the world before, like season

732
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,239
one when they were walking and they just see a

733
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,800
down airplane and Ellie's just like flabbergas, like, oh these

734
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,119
things flew. Oh my gosh, I wish I could have

735
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:41,840
seen that or something. And yeah, it's those things that

736
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,360
remind you like, oh, you kind of do take it

737
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,800
for granted, like we've been on planes multiple times, but

738
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,119
the world just ends. It's like that's it. No more planes.

739
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. The other thing I was gonna ask you

740
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,960
about because it's been a big question I think since

741
00:37:57,039 --> 00:38:00,679
last season and something I never fully understood at the

742
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:04,280
start of the season was like just Ellie's hatred towards Pedro.

743
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,039
Obviously in this in this episode we get a lot

744
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:07,760
of fill in the gaps and why that is. But

745
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:12,800
the big question on like I'm thinking of tomb right

746
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,880
er now, you know, one life to save a million

747
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000
or a billion, whatever whatever the ratio is that he

748
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:19,559
used in that movie. But just yeah, the whole idea

749
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,639
of like Joel saving Ellie and then that probably fucks

750
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:26,920
over humanity because they probably could have got a cure

751
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,000
out of her. I'm convinced. I was talking to Shay

752
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,960
about this bulb watch it. I'm like, there's no guarantee

753
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:35,199
that that cure actually would have worked, like like you know,

754
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,320
people could keep saying that and like the doctor like

755
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,920
he was really a doctor could have made the cure.

756
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,559
It's like, at the end of the day, even if

757
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:44,039
it was modern time, and like you know, we live

758
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:47,199
in a day where modern medicine, they think they have

759
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,880
a vaccine that's like ninety nine percent, and it's not

760
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,719
always it's not always the case, especially prototype one. I'm

761
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,920
convinced that there's no guaranteed way that they for sure

762
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,519
would have had a cure, and they could have just

763
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:01,440
killed l and then had no cure, and then we

764
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,400
would have had no cure and no ELI anymore. So

765
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,280
that argument I'm I'm not fully convinced on. I'm probably

766
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,519
the minority there, but uh yeah, I think there's for

767
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,559
sure no guarantee chance that they would have got a

768
00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:17,800
cure first try, especially because there's so many factors at

769
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:24,000
play here. But I guess I put you in that situation, Taylor.

770
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:27,639
Let's say say your daughter gets kidnapped by by these

771
00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:30,559
people that are going to make a vaccine to save

772
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,000
the human race from these these clickers, and are you

773
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:38,480
are you? Are you taking that risk even though like

774
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:40,960
I just stated, like, there's no guarantee chance that it

775
00:39:41,039 --> 00:39:45,280
could me work. If it's you pop off on that doctor,

776
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:46,199
if it's.

777
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 2: My blood daughter, I'm not doing it. Not chance I

778
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,880
had had shot. Oh yeah, yeah, he killed him as

779
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,920
he did himself. That's what I'll say, five shots to

780
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:56,320
the dick.

781
00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: You did it himself.

782
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,079
Speaker 2: In the context of Ellie, though, I've kind of I.

783
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,519
Speaker 1: Guess, yeah, it's different because it's like adoptive daughter, right,

784
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:08,400
even though yeah.

785
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,079
Speaker 2: It's adopted daughter. But if he he knew what was

786
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:13,239
he knew the context of what was gonna go down,

787
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,079
he knew that they would carver up. He shouldn't have

788
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,119
He shouldn't have brought her there, just brought her there

789
00:40:17,159 --> 00:40:18,679
just to kill everyone else and take her back out.

790
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,920
He made bad decisions on top of more bad decisions.

791
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,280
So in my opinion, to kill her to create a

792
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:32,719
potential cure that might work out, I mean, then humanity

793
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:38,159
is saved off of killing someone. And you do see

794
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,320
here now that she was willingly wanting that, But Joel

795
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,119
didn't know that at the time. I mean, if it

796
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,880
would have been a very different conversation had this taken

797
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,559
place back then, and Joel would have been like, Okay,

798
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:51,119
this is what she wants that, I'm just gonna I'm

799
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:52,639
gonna let that be because he loves her and he

800
00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:55,320
respects her and he wants to you know, he puts

801
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,920
keeping her safe priority number one because he loves her.

802
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:03,119
But when it comes to developing like a cure, I mean,

803
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,360
in real life, I know that there was what is

804
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:12,519
the woman's name. There's a woman I want to say, Henrietta,

805
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,360
I think, and they they got her blood, and I

806
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,280
believe that her blood was something that could reproduce on

807
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,880
its own, like an immortal cell or something like that.

808
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,199
And maybe Jesus I'm butchering how I'm explaining this, her

809
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,719
cells are very unique and it led to them creating

810
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,599
several cures for diseases and treatments for like COVID nineteen

811
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,400
and polio and a whole bunch of other stuff.

812
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: What did they murder her?

813
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: She y Joe went in there. It was too late,

814
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:46,599
got to her first shot herself. Yeah. Yeah, but I

815
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,360
think when you look at that as an example, then people,

816
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:53,559
these scientists and the show probably looked at it like, yeah,

817
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:55,199
if we just we cut her up, we take everything,

818
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,840
then we're we have to if we're killing her and

819
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,880
taking everything, we have to have a way of developing

820
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,400
a cure because we've got access to everything and not

821
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,119
just like a little bit. Yeah. I don't know if

822
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:10,079
that answers your question. I'd be reluctant to sacrifice anyone though.

823
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's tough. It's tough, right. I guess the

824
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,599
argument is you gotta crack a couple of eggs to

825
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:17,719
make an omelet, and I guess the same thing with

826
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,119
the cure. I mean, it's a great dilemma I think

827
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:24,440
for just the overall story, because it's it is like

828
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:25,800
at the end of the day, if you're looking at it,

829
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,639
it's just like analytics, it's like, Okay, well, it's probably

830
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:32,880
worth it to just sacrifice Ellie, especially if she's willing,

831
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,920
like like that's her purpose and it's a big heavy

832
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,360
thing that she just has to carry for the rest

833
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,800
of her life. Now knowing that that, like because of

834
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,800
this person who didn't even ask for my opinion. This

835
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,159
is where we are now. We're living in this shitty

836
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:48,760
existence of just the infected everywhere, and it just needs

837
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,440
to be getting worse and worse as the years go on.

838
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,679
But I think they do such a great job, especially

839
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,199
in that scene on the porch when he's like telling

840
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,760
her that on like it's like, yeah, I guess at

841
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,679
the end of the day, maybe could have got her

842
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:07,920
opinion on that instead of playing so like in the

843
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,280
shadows and the tricks and the lies and all that.

844
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,239
But it's something that he's giving up, right, Like it's

845
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,320
not just she's losing her life, he's losing this daughter

846
00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:21,480
like character that he already lost his daughter before. And

847
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:24,760
then they went through all this bonding together all throughout

848
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,000
season one to lead up to that moment, so that

849
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:29,639
he's just handing her off and I think, I'm with you.

850
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:31,760
I don't think I could have. Well, I know I

851
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,760
couldn't have. I think I'd be too selfish and weak,

852
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,960
like Joel is here, and just the way that page's selling,

853
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:41,320
like the emotion and that scene, it's a conversation never

854
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,599
wanted to think he would have to have with her.

855
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:49,440
And I liked how in this episode, it's explained how

856
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,840
like it took years to even bring that up from Ellie,

857
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,920
and then obviously it's something that he never would have

858
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,760
wanted to bring up or have to talk about again,

859
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,679
because it is a really hard thing that he has

860
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,039
to live with for the rest of his life, right

861
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:03,039
like he had murdered all these innocent people that were

862
00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:07,119
trying to make the world a better place. But yeah, no,

863
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:10,519
I think it's they just did a great job I

864
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:13,599
think filling in the gaps on this whole event because

865
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:16,239
we we've already got Abby's flashback from I think it

866
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,920
was an episode two. Was it an episode two Abby splashback?

867
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,159
When we when we see her like seeing her dad

868
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,960
or like talking to herself in the hallway, you don't

869
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,440
want to go in there because it.

870
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: Was before they killed Joel Off, I'm pretty sure.

871
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,159
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's episode two. So I like where we

872
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:36,440
are now. I just feel a lot more in the

873
00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:40,000
know of of of all the stuff that's been something happened.

874
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:42,000
But yeah, no, that really powerful scene though, I liked

875
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:42,360
it a lot.

876
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can tell you one thing though, If Seth

877
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,840
was the one that was asked to escort Ellie to

878
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,760
that hospital. Oh he was turning around for.

879
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: Sure, family place. I just chuckled so hard as soon

880
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,559
as we saw Seth again, He's just so like it's

881
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:06,719
family place. Just shuts out this up. I mean, I

882
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,760
really don't have much else to say, although the beautiful

883
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,559
scene of Eugene looking off in the distance, I'm like, man,

884
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:18,079
this is some pretty bad green screen here for a

885
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:21,360
show I never think so, yeah, I know, that's exactly

886
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:22,960
what I thought of looking at my son's I was

887
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,679
waiting to see odin there waiting for them, But yeah,

888
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,079
it was just for a show with like it looks

889
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:32,719
phenomenal from start to finish, and that scene is just like, okay, yeah,

890
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,639
it's a little little green screeny here.

891
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

892
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: But whatever.

893
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 2: Last thing I have on my notes is we got

894
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,920
to see how Ellie got her burned up arm. She

895
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:46,760
just wanted to wear short sleeved shirts again, so her

896
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,920
bite on her wrist, she just was like fucking and

897
00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:53,400
just nuked it. So there you go.

898
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:57,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was flame. And then kind of a little

899
00:45:57,519 --> 00:46:03,280
more explaining explanation on her tattoo and the whole moth thing. YEA, yeah,

900
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,119
I don't know. Were you like satisfied by that explanation.

901
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:12,639
It's just like dreams, moths symbolism. And then like Joel

902
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,079
asked Gail a little bit more about it death and

903
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:18,280
then yeah, I don't know. It was kind of a weird,

904
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,920
weird linking there. Maybe people that played the games, it's

905
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:24,679
it works a little bit more for them, but for

906
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,199
me it was a little bit of a jump.

907
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: It's I didn't need necessarily, like the context and the

908
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,039
stuff filled in. That was a few minutes of a

909
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:34,360
scene that could have been without mes. That's just worths

910
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,480
something else. But I mean, it's it is what it is.

911
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:41,119
It's not like on the noses like, uh, who are

912
00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:44,519
your people? I'm alone? Oh, han Solow, Like, it's not

913
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:47,000
on the nose like that. Kind of like an origin moment.

914
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:49,480
So we don't know where this is going to lead

915
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:53,400
to with the moths, but they they made a point

916
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:58,199
of making it bigger than than it was, if that

917
00:46:58,199 --> 00:46:58,760
makes sense.

918
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think we covered everything I

919
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,960
wanted to talk about. Any last Oh Joel singing the

920
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,119
Little Pearl Jam song, I thought that was really nice.

921
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm shout outs because that's the song Elie was

922
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:15,840
trying to sing last weeks she's like fuck this and

923
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,440
she couldn't do it. So that's a good call back.

924
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely good emotional tie there. So yeah, there's nothing else.

925
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,000
We're gonna end it here. We got our big finale

926
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:30,199
next week, which I think Travis will be there. I'm

927
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:33,920
low chance on Dylan showing up for the finale like Gandalf,

928
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:36,320
you know, looking to the East on the seventh Day,

929
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,840
but we'll be here nonetheless, wrap up this season and

930
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,880
yeah tell that it should be a good time. So

931
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,400
thanks for joining me, Taylor, and we'll see you next time.

932
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:47,840
Bye bye bye,