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Speaker 1: What is up?

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Speaker 2: Fellasiko's I am Dan Valley coming at you with more.

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know him from OnlyFans celebrity. Our trade deadline primer train

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keeps rolling on. We're on to the sad Sack Sacramento

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Kings More. I don't even know what to say about

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this team. This season is an abject disaster and we

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probably all could have seen it coming, and it's only

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gotten worse when you look at the injuries mounting with

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the bonus and Keegan Murray, I don't even know who

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wants there, as they have the worst offense in the

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league at this point statistically. I just this is gonna

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be a rough podcast for us to get into, but

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we power through because we are superheroes. And let's get

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to Sacramento's trade deadline vitals.

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Speaker 1: So they are.

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Speaker 2: Three point two million below the Tacks. Excuse me, they

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do have all of their own future first, that's a

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hashtag win, except san Antonio has swap rights in twenty

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and thirty one with them. They do own san Antonio's

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twenty twenty seven first round pick it does go to

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OKC though if it lands in the bottom fourteen of

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the first round, they have Minnesota's twenty thirty one first

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round pick, so that is slightly interesting. And they also

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have notable trade exceptions for them. They saw that five

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million dollars one from the Jonas valen Chunis trade that

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doesn't expire until the summer, so I doubt that they

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would actually use it. But yeah, they also have more

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a bunch of veterans in Zach Lavine, Demonta, Sebonis, DeMar DeRozan,

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Dennis Shrewder Russell Westbrook's on this team. They what's up, League, Monk,

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I think this is the place to start with them.

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What are the Kings need? More comminsence and you get

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that well competent players or competent people running the organization.

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Speaker 1: Both both as good. Yes, I think both as good. No,

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they need. I hate to go this route, but with

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the Kings, it's just necessary. They have to hit the

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big red reset button, and that is their biggest need.

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It is getting out of all these major major contracts

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of players that aren't working out starting over. Unfortunately, they

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have to fight against history on this one, Dan, because

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if you remember the Bulls traded away Saclovine and they

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also that was a sign and trade with Damar and everything,

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but they didn't get back anything. Really, They got their

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own first round draft pick back. That was it. So

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there isn't really an expectation or a realistic expectation at

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least of the Kings going out and trading those two

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guys and getting a pix oriented backage in return. That

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is just not out there, and I don't think it's

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ever been, and you're kind of wondering at the same time,

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the Bonus is that package for him out there as well?

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Because so I'm just gonna advertise for some of my

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own work here. I did an article over a Yeah

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Who Sports where I kind of detailed, you know, good

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players who aren't superstars and what they need, and one

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of the key things that came into was basically floor spacing.

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And Bonus is a very very good player, wonderfully good player.

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He's just not a superstar. He's not someone you can

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build an entire team around, but you have to build

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around him to a certain capacity to optimize, you know,

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what he is. Does that hurt his trade value? I

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would argue yes, I would argue that teams are fully

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aware that if the bonus is going to be one

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of your primary players, that comes with a set ceiling,

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and that means you can't give up the farm for him.

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So my question to you, sir, is, if they are

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to rebuild, which they sorely need to do, where do

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they go where do they go to get the assets?

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Like which player are they sending out to get something

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in return that lines them up for the future. Because

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I am not sure there is an answer to that question.

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Speaker 2: I I do not know. I still think. I mean,

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the injury complicates things, and I don't think people are

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gonna love the contract. When you look at after this season,

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domas a bonus is still owed two years and like

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ninety four million dollars right his contract runs through twenty

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twenty seven, twenty eight. That's a lot of money for someone,

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as you outlined, has all these functional limitations or specifications

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if you're going to build around him.

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Speaker 1: I still think he's.

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Speaker 2: Probably their most valuable veteran because maybe if Keon Ellis

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was signed to a long term deal would be him.

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It's not DeMar de Rosen. It's certainly not. Zach Lavine

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gets a little more valuable if he's open to declining

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his player option and signing at a lower average annual rate,

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like is it Malik Monk is their most valuable veteran

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are really at, and I would agree with you they

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need to hit reset. Is It's not about setting themselves

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up for the future by getting this massive haul for

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any one player. It's setting themselves up for the future

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to just be more flexible and not have guys on

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the team who might trick management ownership into thinking we

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need to continue building upon this to go for it,

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and so the sabonus of it all would be tough.

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But for virtually everyone else, I'm just shorter contracts, expiring

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money if I can get it smaller contracts, even if

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it's a case of zach Lavine because his deal's already

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so short. I mean, if I'm the Kings, I might

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test out how much does zach Lvine really not want

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to be in Sacramento. He just declined the player option

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anyway if they held on to him. So That's where

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I'm at with the Kings, is they need to just

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move these guys for whatever they could get. It's really

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to me more about getting themselves out of a situation

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like getting more flexible shore and moving forward, but getting

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themselves out of a situation where they can trick themselves

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into thinking that they are better than they actually are.

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just be toughest to move because his value is so complicated,

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is the one who's sort of the poster board for

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that issue. Is demonta Sabonis, fringe All NBA All Star

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type of player that if you have him on your team,

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you're going to think that you're going to gravitate towards

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wanting to win. And so to me, I think if

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you want the Kings to actually reset, him more so

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than anyone else is the player that needs to be moved.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I hadn't thought about like cheering it

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like that because I just look at the whole some

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of the Kings and go and basically put this label

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on sets. Everything has to go. So what can you

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get for him? I'm just gonna throw it right back

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to you what.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if it's the return, But I

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have trouble finding a team. Yeah, so I kind of thought.

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I did think about san Antonio a little bit because

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he'd be interesting alongside wemb He's just he's making so

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much money, so they can't like he'd be semi interesting

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in Boston, right for the stuff that they like to

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do with their bigs. But you can't get to his

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money without trading Jallen Brown, Derek White or Jason Tatum.

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What you're not gonna do well, I don't know. So

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Simon's and Howser get you passed forty maybe maybe you can,

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would you if there were no picks involved and you're

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Boston and you can just go out and get dolmasa bonus?

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You're not getting out of the tax this year? Are

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you thinking about it? So Simon and Houser gets you

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to thirty seven thirty eight? Yeah, but even that, you

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know what, even that's too hard? Like what are you

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getting rid of Peyton Pritchard too?

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Speaker 1: That I was about to say, we need to make

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sure that because they can't take a dollar back, they're

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over the first a print, so we need to make.

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Speaker 2: Sure Domas had forty two. So you need to go

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I mean, you could it have to be like a

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four for one, but you could do it in thereiod. Yeah,

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but that's so difficult mid season though, well, I think

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some of the contracts they have are so and then

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you do have to fill out the rest of the roster.

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Derek White, Jalen Brown or Jason Tatum and or for

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or pick and you can get demanded.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that is probably the big man for Boston, honestly,

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because they can sort of survive the lack of defense

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and lack of three point shooting, and they would finally

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have someone who can come in and just say, all right, tonight,

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I'm grabbing fifteen goddamn rebounds because we need to. That's

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been a problem for them before. I think that is

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going to solve something. Playmaking wise. I would trust him

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at like the foul line area to get things more ving. Yeah,

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I mean, oh, just because now I'm just thinking basketball

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terms here, just him getting a defensive rebounding and rebound

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and just running down the floor and like setting up

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guys in transition for quick threes. I mean, I could

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see it. I wouldn't hate that. Yeah, that'd be fun. Yes,

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fucking why not Simon's Simon's Houser, No, but like what

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we need to find the deal though, like it wouldn't

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It would have to be Simon's Houser and Pritchard, right,

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that would get you there.

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Speaker 2: But I'd be curious if Boston would do that. That's ridiculous.

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That sound right, Yeah, because he's at don't don't massa

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bonus is at like forty two plus right this year? Uh? Yeah,

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that'd you can't. I don't think you could build it

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without Pritchard if you want to keep one and then

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you're But you could also argue if you're able to

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keep some of these other guys that have hit, like

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a Luca Garzer and Josh might not Jordan Walsh around,

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you do have some built in depth. Let's see. So

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if we send Sam Hauser to Sacramento along with Anthony

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Simon's how short are we you you need to get

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less than five million? That they just don't have another

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player other than Peyton Pritchard.

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Speaker 1: That that's the thing they do from there, that's Peyton Pritchard,

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Iso Gonzadez at less than three mil.

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Speaker 2: But two of those, like if you put Hugo and

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Baylor in there, like the money then works, and that's true.

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Speaker 1: That's four, that's a fourth one then, like you said,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, unless it's so it has to be Peyton Pritchard

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or you're looking at well, some of the salaries are

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so small, like there would be a team that you

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could probably compensate to just take one or even two

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of the smaller salary guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. I mean, okay, so we got we

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got out of the Mantasa bonus business. We got him

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major expiring contract in infrene assignments. If we're Sacramento here,

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we now have Sam Hauser and Peyton Pritchard, both on

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good contracts by the way, very very good contracts. And

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then we're keeping presumably gon Solace over Shireman right.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Gonzales. He's got some nasty to him. If

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his his shot, he ever figures that out. He's thrown

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some fifty passes on the offensive en edition everything he

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Speaker 1: I like her. Yeah, he's nasty, so that's not necessarily

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a bad return. Like I know, Kings fans right now

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are like what we came up sports for one?

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Speaker 2: You know what, I bet you they do it. Yeah,

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at this point I've even kind of thought, just like,

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if Cleveland wants to get more physical, does he make

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more sense next to Evan Mobley than a than a

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Jared Allen? Hmm, would you prefer him in Toronto over

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Yako Peertle?

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Speaker 1: I probably would, And I like Purdle like great deal,

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but I would like someone who's a little bit more.

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I don't know if the words spread productive, but.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, here's the team they've been linked to Trey Young.

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If we're just talking about you need to match money,

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do you just in Washington? Do you try and rehabilitate

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his value? Alex are insulates him defensively, and Sar has

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been really good this year and they both shoot threes,

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and sorry even kind of has like the floor in

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between game.

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Speaker 1: So just I'm not not not as a long along

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in this trade.

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Speaker 2: To no, I would say, is you're the Wizards, would

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you rather get Trey Young? You do need a floor general,

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but I don't know if Trey Young fits the mold

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of someone who will elevate the youngsters around him.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just saying they have Milton McCollum and Kisburg's contracts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm asking you who would you prefer. Oh, you're

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I beg you, Washington, do not do that.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not, Absolutely, I won't allow it. No. I I

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need a lead guard so bad. I I would leave

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with everyone if you still have bubb Yeah, yeah, you

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need a guard. You need a guard. You need someone

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someone who's on the ball far more, who's got like

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a quicker first step. He needs something. You just need

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something other players like which team? I don't.

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Speaker 2: Milwaukee said they they apparently have interested Zach Lavine, and

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Portois and smaller salary X to get there, I think

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Milwaukee's just poking around any single guy that's who wouldn't

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cost us a first round pick that might actually be

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good for us.

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Speaker 1: So I obviously love that idea, because I've been saying

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for six years now that Levine obviously is not a

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first option. That He's never really been given a chance

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to play with someone who is, you know, an elite

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playmaker and or or at least draw us enough attention

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to turn him to like a real clear cut secondary option.

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Him alongside one of Gianni's Jokich Luca, for the example,

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is something that I've been just dreaming about because I

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think there is just a nasty, nasty second tier scoring

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potential in Saclovine, more so an off ball capacity, because

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he's statistically off ball in terms of spot up shooting,

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in terms of cutting, he's always been highly efficient and

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one of the best in the league. So I would

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love to see him alongside someone like Giannis, who just

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draws that much attention.

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Speaker 2: What about I think he would have to be willing

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to not He would have to decline his player off

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if we want to sign a smaller deal. What do

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you think about him? In Detroit?

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Speaker 1: That was brought up a lot, Remember when they were

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before they got sitting atop the Eastern Conference. Probably well

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not then, but but before that that he was one

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name that was that was routinely brought up. I do

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think there's an interesting layer there, But I think their

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reasoning is would we rather pay zach Lavine the forty

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seven point five million this year, and then yeah, maybe

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we extend him to a smaller number from here on out.

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Or would rather go into restricted free agency with Jade

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and Ivy and get him for a freaking steal and

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see what we have there who's younger and fits the

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timeline better. I think that's the way they are going

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to approach it. Is that the right way to approach it,

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I don't know, because I do think Vin makes them

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better immediately. I do think he's better than Jade and

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Ivy as currently constructed. So it depends how much money

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are you willing to burn for Levin?

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess just because it's so short term is

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how I was thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: But you would have to.

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Speaker 2: I think the problem there then becomes they've gotten some

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good guard play from Marcus Sasser Dennis Jaking as well,

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But if you're talking about a team that could insulate

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zach Lvie on the defensive end, if his number is

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going to get lower after this year, it's sort of like,

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but do you give up Tobias Harris because that's the

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easy money to give up. You could get there with that.

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You don't even need to give Jay and Ivy. I

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think Tobias Harris and Caris Lavert or Duncan Robinson.

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Speaker 1: Boom, you're done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at this point, I think you prefer to give

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up Lavert in that scenario, but then you still kind

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of have that front court hole. I know you have

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run Holland and Asar Thompson and you go due big

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with Stuart and Duran and Javonte.

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Speaker 1: Oh, actually, Davonte Green has been so good for them.

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Maybe you just do this.

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Speaker 2: Caris Lavert, Tobias Harris or Zach Lavine done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't hate that. I mean, if that's on

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the table for the Pistons and it's that straightforward, yeah,

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why not? And if I get sack re signed on,

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what would a good deal there be? Because he's not

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going to decline a forty nine million dollar player option

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for like three years sixty, He'll probably have to be

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like three years ninety.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure they would need this incentive, but the

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Pistons could do that aid also with Keon Ellis involved,

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So Kaslovert, Tobias Harris, maybe you're throwing if you need

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to include seconds for Keon Ellis and Zach Lavine.

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Speaker 1: You think ke On Ellis comes that cheap like he

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might have to.

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Speaker 2: Right, he's not getting it for if they get a

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first round pay for Keon Ellis. I want to know

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what else is involved in that deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, presumably because he's unrestricted after this. This ceased as well.

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That is not exactly helping them.

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Speaker 2: It still doesn't solve there. You'd prefer someone to get

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in the front court. That's not gonna be Keon Ellis,

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but I think Javonte Green you could paper over at

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Duncan Robinson's still there, but that would be the for me.

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That and also then it's okay now we have Jade

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and Ivy and Denis Jenkins and Zach Lavine. But I

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I think I would do it if I'm Detroit. Maybe

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I'm undervaluing what the front court rotation would would look

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like though.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask why Keon Ellis isn't playing more in Sacramento?

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I just need to know, Uh, search me. That's been

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like a storyline the entire season. He's been getting more

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minutes of late, right, he's still still hasnutes. What I'm

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wondering here or no, what I'm fearing here is that

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the rationale from other teams would be well. If he

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can't even crack twenty minutes per game in Sacramento, are

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are we going to be in a position to look

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at him and go, yeah, he's useful for us, or

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he's just going to a better team and not playing

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at all.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's interesting. I just before the easy. One of

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the trays that I've just pentled in is that Keon

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Els is going to get moved for two second round

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picks if it's not part of a larger deal. I

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just think that's gonna happen. I think he's going to

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be good for whoever he gets him defendre.

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Speaker 1: I just wonder if that is through the prism of

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the Kings. Like a lot of people, including myself, like

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him a great deal, but it's also because he plays

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basketball in a way that's very un Kings like. I

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am wondering if you know the worldwide love that US

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basketball sickos have for him, if that's replicated within NBA

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front offices.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I guess if you're worried about what his next

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contract looks like, if you go into this thinking he's

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not worth a mid level exception, then that might be

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the the difference type deal where you don't see this

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guy's being worth fourteen to fifteen million dollars a year.

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Do you have any good Derosan or Malik Monk or

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shrewder destinations?

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Speaker 1: I had one and I wrote about it a couple

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months ago. That was the ros the Rosan part. I

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like it a framework that is Demarto Rosen for Knsavi's

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Cold Pope basically where yeah, I think so because then

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you but but that was under that was before they

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were this bad. My thinking was getting the Rosan out

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of there would mean more ball handling opportunities to other players,

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whereas Contavious Colobob would just be more of an off ball,

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you know, spot up shooter. Now, I just don't think

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that matters, just putting lipstick on a pig. Honestly, it

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just doesn't really matter a whole lot. But I also

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kind of liked it for Memphis because then you had

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someone you could go to in like half court situations.

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You didn't really know what's going on with job Moranda

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all the time, Like at some point you're just gonna

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need someone who can get shots and create shots for

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himself and others. So I didn't hate that framework. Now,

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does it even make sense. I don't know. It's like

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the Kings are so far gone at this point. I'm

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just I'm ready to set off the ros and for

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Magic Beans at this time.

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Speaker 2: He'd be interested on a good team, maybe coming off

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the bench. But even as I'm going through the list

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that he's been, I think probably the King that's toughest

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for me to find a destination for. Maybe there's something

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around the Terry Rozier contract in Miami. You try that.

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Speaker 1: Out Amy again, trying to negate or not. They're trying

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to pivot a little bit to the younger side because

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finally some of their younger players are breaking out a

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little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if it's costing you Terry Rozier's contract.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's that's that's fair.

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Speaker 2: Another team I thought of and it doesn't. It just

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it's more about can we get out from under these

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contracts with minimal compensation? But like, is there something to

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build around Klay Thompson, Caleb Martin in Dallas or Jayden

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Hardy And then you bring in de Rosen and they

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do need another ball handler Until I know, Ryan Ambhard

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has been good, Brandon Williams has had moments. They have

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the D'Angel Russell expire or contract that they could throw

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out as well. I thought about them a little bit,

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but there that would be he disaligns so much from

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the direction in which they should be headed anyway.

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Speaker 1: But maybe they don't view it that way.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's you know, then we have Derosen and Kyrie

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and Anthony Davis and Cooper Flag for for next season.

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Speaker 1: If they have that mindset go nuts. I I personally

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would would not be actively trading for DeMar de ros

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and the player if I have any type of aspirations

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for seems success, but maybe as a mentor. So there's

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one thing we do know about DeRos and is he's

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very very good at embracing young players. Yes, he's He's

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not had the opportunity on the Kings because they don't

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have young players. They keep drafting twenty three year olds.

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So like for him to go to Dallas, if we

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stick with your your example there, just in terms of

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like a mentorship perspective for Cooper Flag, that wouldn't be

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a bad thing. I wouldn't hate that it didn't work

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out with Patrick Williams and might work out with.

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Speaker 2: I do wonder what are you because the Caleb Martin

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and Klay Thomason contracts aren't great. So what are you

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what is Dallas willing to send out?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's yeah outside of crap? You mean yeah,

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can you get? And he would?

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Speaker 2: I would like bring him off the bench in Man.

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Does Minnesota even do this though? But could you get? No,

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it's just it's too much money. I was gonna say,

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could you get without having to really eat into your

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core to Marta Rose into Minnesota? But even if you

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went three for one, you're still kind of you're still

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kind of stuck there. You'd have to include Devincenzo or

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nas Reed, which is just a nonstor he'd be off

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to BENJM Minnesota, though tomart Rosen would be interesting.

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Speaker 1: Nas read for Demarty Rosen. That would be such a.

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Speaker 2: Like I would imagine I have Conley and Dillingham fired

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up in the salaries, but that's only about like seventeen

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eighteen million dollars, so you need to come up with

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another seven.

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Speaker 1: I love how you're just relinquishing the two point guards

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that are on this ros Well.

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Speaker 2: They have Bones high Land, who has been like been

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above Rob Dillingham at points in the rotation.

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Speaker 1: They have Anthony Edwards that they're just weird. Man. Talk

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about Trapee doing the trade value of your own first

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round draft pick. What the hell?

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Speaker 2: He's just based off the on ball wiggle that he's shown.

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I think think he stills a chance to be good.

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It's just not going to be in Minnesota pretty clearly.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What about coming off the bench in Orlando?

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Speaker 1: What is that deal? Because they lean ISAA.

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Speaker 2: Plus, they're also close to the tax. They might want

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to duck the tax themselves, but you have Isaac's number.

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I don't know how you make up the rest of it.

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That's a Tyas Jones. Jonathan Isaac and Tyas Jones probably

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get you there.

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Speaker 1: They definitely realized that they couldn't lean into the mid

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rain shot though. Is it fair to it's I think

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I think it's unfair to show pow Up and Caro

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his future self, like trading trading for his future self.

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I think that's that's Caro turns.

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Speaker 2: Into that type of pick and roll player that Demarta

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Rosen was, or even ISO player for that matter.

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Speaker 1: A fair fair Yeah, but you know what I mean.

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Fronz and door Poaloll were out of the lineup, which

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they've been.

473
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Speaker 1: Quite a bit this year.

474
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Speaker 2: But that's not you don't want to make moves under

475
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,880
that guys. Uh, Malik Monk would probably make more sense

476
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,680
for Orlando. We saw Milwaukee link to Malague Monk as

477
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,200
well as a guard who could get downhill. Him and

478
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,640
Shruder kind of fit the same glove, except Malie Monk

479
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,319
is better away from the ball. I just don't there's

480
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,880
like not a team for me that I look at

481
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,720
and say, Okay, like, yeah, malikue Monk, that makes a

482
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:19,279
ton of sense.

483
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Speaker 1: Just a question in terms of Jonathan Kamenka right like

484
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,880
he does he counts now for the full twenty two

485
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:32,200
and a half, right, correct? Yeah, the Kings love him

486
00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:37,000
a great deal. Is are we reaching that point with

487
00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:39,640
the Warriors where they're just saying, screw it, let's go

488
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:46,119
get old stars, let's see where Like, Yeah, probably I

489
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,519
might prefer Monk if i'm that's fair, that's fair. But like,

490
00:25:50,759 --> 00:25:51,720
is there a deal.

491
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: Where they can n ellis for Jonathan Kaminga? I wouldn't

492
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,559
hate that as the basic framework.

493
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, Kamenka right now is not a long term

494
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:08,240
investment in terms of the contractual obligation at all team option.

495
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 2: I mean if any of the Kings probably pick it

496
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,880
up to experiment with him, right right.

497
00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: And if they are, if they're the team that actually

498
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,160
gives him the chance to break out. Now we need

499
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,240
to say we don't know if he'll break out or not,

500
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,480
but like, if it happens there and there's the team

501
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,759
that actually gives him the chance to perhaps he'd be

502
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:29,519
inclined to resign with them in twenty twenty seven.

503
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Speaker 2: Well, that kind of one of the final questions I

504
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:38,480
had for the Kings was could they talk themselves into

505
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:41,480
being a quasi buyer like that or I think you

506
00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:44,920
take well hold on the Kaminga one is somewhat logical

507
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,039
because you're getting off longer term money for him. But

508
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,880
if you're the Kings, do you consider if any one

509
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,720
of these distressed players become and it's just money. It

510
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,279
could be Trey Young mostly just money, Trey Young, John Morant,

511
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,880
Jonathan Kaminga. Are you trying to by the way, we

512
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,160
can't rule out the scenario of the King's decide well,

513
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,359
we'll trade a first round pick and go get name X.

514
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,799
Speaker 1: That would be so Kings, right, that would be very Kings. Yeah,

515
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,680
I don't think we can rule it out, but I mean,

516
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,079
given how this ceased has gone, like they've already had

517
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:25,039
twenty nine losses twenty nine, how like you would have

518
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,960
to be banged up, right, But like, even so, I

519
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:32,000
just making it into the plane at this stage, Like you,

520
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:35,720
if you go into the trade deadline and they're there,

521
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:36,680
are is a little.

522
00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: Bit of I think you would take the Indiana type approach,

523
00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:42,720
only it's different. Now you're acquiring someone who's good, but

524
00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:44,559
you're not into like you will shut them down if

525
00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:46,480
you need you to maximize the value of your first

526
00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:46,920
round pick.

527
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: This year, it was more fair enough. Okay, okay, that

528
00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:52,000
makes more sense because like if you if you were

529
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:54,400
thinking this year, no no no, no no no no.

530
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:59,559
But but then what who is the player? If I

531
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:01,440
agree with you that they could be a quasi buyer

532
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,599
in that sense, but like I don't think they would

533
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,720
go out and just go for anyone. Then they would

534
00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:08,880
have to think big. But like is Jonathan cominga thinking

535
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,279
big from their perspective?

536
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. You're asking me about the Kings's perspective.

537
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,799
Speaker 1: I don't know right to that question, I mean, what

538
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:18,799
that was the play I would be I would like

539
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,440
that more than going for a veteran.

540
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 2: What if it what if it was Ja Moran or

541
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:24,119
Trey Young.

542
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: I could easily I could probably convince myself sort of

543
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,319
a little bit of Trey Young, because I think he's

544
00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:35,119
the better version of between the two. But hey, I

545
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,400
hate I hate both options here. I don't like it.

546
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,079
Speaker 2: What about Anthony Davis? No, what if they if they were.

547
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:48,599
Speaker 1: Thinking that would be, that would be more kangs. I mean, look,

548
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,039
that is that that would be so profuse. I'm supporting this.

549
00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:53,599
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just curious.

550
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: We're just asking questions. Yeah, no, Anthony Davis and sacrament

551
00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:00,720
you know what, screw this needs to happen now, this

552
00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:04,680
needs to happen. So absolutely, the Sacramento Kings, Anthony Davis.

553
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:10,559
Sacramento Kings should definitely bring Anthony Davis back to California.

554
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,119
They should extend him. They should just go nuts. Absolutely,

555
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,079
that'd be funny. That'd be the funniest thing they could do. Absolutely,

556
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:22,400
go all in, just alienate the entire fucking fan base.

557
00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:26,880
Welcome to Sacramento, Anthony Davis. We look forward to seeing

558
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,519
you play twenty seven times per season. Oh, that's uncalled for.

559
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,640
He's averaged more than twenty seven times per season. Oh,

560
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,720
I'm sorry, I'm sorry fifty two Jesus Christ. Yeah, the

561
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:39,240
name's not.

562
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:42,079
Speaker 2: I just wondered I could see them doing something like that,

563
00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:45,640
and the kind of the final question that I have,

564
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,519
should there be anyone on this team who's actually off limits.

565
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:50,440
We know how hard it is to move Keegan Murray

566
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,519
because of the poison pilling out. Now he's injured again,

567
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:54,799
so ideally you're not doing that. But you're looking at

568
00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:58,640
this King's roster. Is there anyone to you that's aside

569
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,960
from Maximine right now? I just want to make that clear.

570
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:05,319
That's just completely and utterly untouchable or even close to it.

571
00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: No, no, and no in that order. It's it's it's no,

572
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,640
not even close. Uh. Everyone should be up for craps.

573
00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:19,720
I am not looking at anyone from on this team going, hey,

574
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:23,000
let's let's keep this player around because there is something

575
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:26,240
here that we are willing to explore at all costs.

576
00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:31,079
Speaker 2: Like no, no, Keegan Murray's the closest you come because

577
00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:33,880
of the poison pill. But even just like what if

578
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,480
you were the Kings and didn't want any part of

579
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:38,759
that contract anymore. You're talking to Brooklyn, who has cap space,

580
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,880
and so you're talking about making the math work. There

581
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,240
get us MPJ. Here's Keegan like, does Brooklyn take af

582
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:47,960
that would be that would be the ultimate We're clearing

583
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,599
the decks, which might be encouraging.

584
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: I don't know.

585
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: I'm still pretty high on Keegan Murray's I wouldn't do it,

586
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:56,119
but that I don't. I love Keegan Murray, and he's

587
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:58,279
just you don't build your entire team around him, and

588
00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:00,119
so there's nobody that should be off limits. And I

589
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,400
also think, by the way, though, the Keegan Murray extension,

590
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:06,119
giving him as much as they did, leads me to

591
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,519
believe that this team is not going to go the

592
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,119
nuclear route to where it wouldn't shock me if they

593
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,480
moved absolutely no one other than Keon Ellis because the

594
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:15,799
offers weren't good enough.

595
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: Right. I like Kegan Murray too. If I had a like,

596
00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:25,200
some guarantee that I would come in, you know, a

597
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,400
small package of picks or one lucrative pick, or just

598
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,319
something of significant value. I'm saying this was this was fun.

599
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: So let's just assume Brooklyn gets involved in any three

600
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,279
teams there, What is the team that would move you

601
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,240
to say, yeah, they I could see them making some

602
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,920
type of an offer for Keegan Murray.

603
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: So I actually think there are a lot of teams

604
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,400
that would make a move for Keegan because he's so

605
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,960
much better defensively now than he was two years ago.

606
00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:57,680
The scoring thing is what where I've been disappointed because,

607
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,720
you know, he came in with this reputation of being

608
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:03,279
someone who could average a lot of points and do

609
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,559
so efficiently, just not just off the dripple, but as

610
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:08,880
a catch and shoot guy, like he could weave himself

611
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,160
into so many different ways. You know, I saw him

612
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,319
as a bit of a guy who could mimic an

613
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:17,880
Oh jenn and Obi type of career. So far, we

614
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:21,519
just haven't seen that. We've seen a lot of inefficiencies.

615
00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:24,000
We've seen him struggle with the ball in his hands.

616
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,960
We are seeing him not generate free FROs at at

617
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:32,839
to a great extent whatsoever. So, like, I think there

618
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,319
are a lot of teams that are interested now in

619
00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:40,440
the defense, the rebounding, but have been scared away by

620
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,680
the lack of offensive potency that we all thought that he had.

621
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,119
So it seems like San Antonio that we talked about

622
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,839
in the last episode. Who would usually love a guy

623
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,279
of this ILK like a defensive oriented big wing big

624
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,680
or a big wing who can come in and hit

625
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,480
the three ball and playoff of others. Yeah, that'd be interesting.

626
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,880
So what we have to gauge shit before we answer

627
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,559
that question Dan, is where is his true value as

628
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:09,240
an offensive player? That's what I need to know before

629
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:11,000
I feel comfortable throwing out names.

630
00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: I think you trust in your system or just more

631
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:19,079
continuity or better stability bringing out a role for him

632
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,319
where the usage won't fluctuate as much. But I mean

633
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,119
five for one forty is not an insubstantial investment. And

634
00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:30,160
just to outline the trade hurdles, he counts as outgoing

635
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,920
money for the Kings as eleven point two million dollars.

636
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,960
His new team has to account for him at twenty

637
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,440
five point two million as inbound money, which is the

638
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,079
average of his contract extension plus the current year. That's

639
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:46,079
what makes a trade so challenging. And it's oh the

640
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:49,559
Nets would need to be involved to offload some other salaries.

641
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this won't be a trade deadline trade if anything,

642
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,039
is probably a summer.

643
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,839
Speaker 2: Deal because the Pelicans would be kind of interesting for him.

644
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,240
If there's some like if you're just looking at get

645
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,200
out of the money, would they include anything to like

646
00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:05,079
Jordan Poole, then you just make it work. He'd be him,

647
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,639
Herb Jones, Trey Murphy, around Zion and Derrek. Queen Fears

648
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:10,159
is still there, of course, sign me up.

649
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: Sign you up for twenty seven wins.

650
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,079
Speaker 2: I don't know, I trust. I mean Keegan like alongside

651
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,079
a lot of those other guys. I think he'd be good,

652
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,199
all right, Nothing Charlotte would be.

653
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: That'd be a team.

654
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: That'd be a great team, really fun. To your point, though,

655
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,519
that feels more like an offseason decision. I don't think

656
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:35,760
the Kings are actually gonna make it, though. Let's let's

657
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:41,039
wrap here with them over under on I'm gonna say

658
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:49,960
one point five of shrewder Monk, Levigne, Sabonis, DeRozan, Ellis

659
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,840
being moved. I just give you six players. You can

660
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,559
throw Kegan Murray in there if to help you, that's

661
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:57,880
seven one point five. You have a lot more faith

662
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,559
in the Kings than I do. Well I to have

663
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:03,679
because I'm a positive guy. Dan, if I go into

664
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:06,679
this and I'm super skeptical, which my heart tells me

665
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,519
I should be. I would be disappointing myself. I want

666
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:14,400
to be optimistic for Kings fans, and optimistic in this

667
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,079
sense means moving the fuck on from whatever this is.

668
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,400
Do you have anything else you need to get off

669
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,400
your chest? You're ready to tell our audience where they

670
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:23,880
can find you in all the great work that you do.

671
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:27,039
Speaker 1: I think I'm ready to tell my audience. I was

672
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:30,480
about to say our audience where they can find my work?

673
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,360
At Yahoo Sports. I'm right there. You can find my

674
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:38,320
work also at the NBA podcast, which you're probably listening

675
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,280
to right now if it's not on the Hardwak Knox podcast,

676
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,239
and if you speak Danish or understand Danish, to listen

677
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,400
to buzzer beaters about the podcast or catch me calling games.

678
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: On HBO Max until next time.

679
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: And as always were to shut up

680
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 2: The one, the only, the indelible, mister Frank fila Keina