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Speaker 1: Welcome to the truth Seca podcast. Ladies and gentlemen. I

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am your host truth Siga and we're about to get

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it in. It's about to go down. It's going down.

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We're going to discuss all things spiritual. We're going to

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talk about the dark side. We're going to talk about demons, demonology, aliens, upology.

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Is there a connection? I know most of my Christian

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friends believe so. Most of my Christian friends will tell

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you that the lights in the sky are in fact,

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hands down across the board demons that want to kidnap

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you and put implants in you and abduct you and

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take you away. And I was scared of that my

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entire life because they were monsters that were probably real, right,

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you can see them. There's reports there was a movie

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called Fire in the Sky that was about a true

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story or these demon beings stole Travis Walton and took

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them into the stars and did all kind of testing

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implants on them, and they found them naked laying onside

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the road. You know, all these weird stories, and that

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scared the heck out of me as a kid, and

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as I grew up and getting into ufology or doing

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a little bit of studying. I definitely was led down

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that road of the demonic dark side, and there is

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definitely that polarity there. You know. I eventually got into

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talking about the angelic and is there an angelic connection

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with ufology and lights in the sky. And I've kind

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of taken that route last probably fifteen years or so

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now in that studying, in my music and stuff like that.

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But listen, we got to be open minded to explore

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both sides. There's polarity and duality within everything and it's

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on Truthseeker dot com. Ladies and gentlemen, Without further ado,

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I'm gonna go ahead and bring in today's guest. My

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guest today is Nathaniel gill Us, the Demonologist. Brother. Welcome

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to the truth Sacer podcast. My friend, how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Good, sir? Thank you. It's good to be with you

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and your viewers. Excited to be.

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Speaker 1: Here for sure. Man, for sure, you cover a lot

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of amazing topics and uh, you, like me and many

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other seekers, leave no stone unturned. I like the fact

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that you cover it all and you've written books on

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these subjects and got a lot of stories doing the groundwork,

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just not theories, right, You're putting boots on the ground

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with a lot of this stuff, so it turns practical.

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It's notes and stuff that you can apply and it

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can it can help your life, for sure. So man,

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kudos to you and what you're doing with that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, so thank you. Brother. It's it's been a

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journey from one revelation to another. But you know, my

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journey has been a little lonely and unique in terms

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of what I've been I mean, everybody's just unique, but

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you know, I grew out of a lot of dogma

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and I had to grow into some new thought processes

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and understandings. But I think, like I said, it's a

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journey and we're all on it, and I'm glad that

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we're together.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, so what do you mean by dogma? Obviously

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coming from religious trauma? Right, there's that aspect, and most

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of us believe one thing and then we find out

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that it's another. But then you mentioned more revelation, and

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then you find out that it's another, and then it's another,

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and so we never get too comfortable with our revelation

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and stuff. So what do you mean by religious trauma

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and your experience?

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Speaker 2: So when I was growing up, I grew up in

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a hunted house, and I was experiencing different manifestations, different phenomena.

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I was also attending a local church that was Pentecostal,

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the best, the best, dude's people ship man. And you know,

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for people that don't understand it, they think that a

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lot of these and I'm not going to mention these

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other preachers that are on you know, TV and everything,

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and you know that's not true. Pentecostalism and Pentecostalism. I mean,

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these guys, they're bad dudes. They'd go out fast for

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a month, come back, you know, lose thirty pounds, and

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then have reviables where cataracts would slide off people's eyes. Yeah.

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You know, so I've seen a lot in terms of

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that that kind of power. But you know, I grew

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up in that, that tradition, and uh, you know, we

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did have what we would consider exorcists come through and

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preach seriously, seriously gifted individuals. Ohio hi okay, Yeah, and

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then I was a part of the UPCI for a

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long time. I grew up in it.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: So we had some bad dudes. We had one guy

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named Jonathan Tuber who he's one of mine here is

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woll Time mean, he's he's a white dude that grew

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up in Africa and Haiti. He was a missionary's kid,

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and so you learned all of a spiritual warfare from

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the locals there. And then so he moved back to

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the States and he didn't recognize the church. It didn't

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make any sense to him. He was really good that

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it was fascinating. Yeah, So I grew up in that tradition,

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that culture, and so it was difficult for me because

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when I was experiencing in that house did not fit

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in the blueprint of demonology they believed in. You know,

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so you're dealing with shadow figures or it's a shadow figure.

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Speaker 1: A demon man. Yes, we do know the Bible. That's

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what they tell you though, right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And they try to you know, fit everything into it.

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something that we haven't or that we don't believe in.

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that point, We're just not going to include it. You

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were going to say you're lying, We're going to gaslight you,

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all that stuff. And so it left me in a

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very vulnerable state. So I had to go through it.

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an enterity in my room, feeling feeling it almost like

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breathing in the room. It smelled like death, it was running,

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it smelled like a dead body. So you know, once

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of like what they believed about this film. That's what

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I had to grow out of. Truthfully and to understand it.

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a crazy I don't want to feel like I'm the

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only one experiencing this. So the order I got, the

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more I realized, Hey, there's a group of people all

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over across the world who are not only experiencing it,

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but they had groups that will welcome you and your

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experiences into which which is really really cool?

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Speaker 1: And which is what comes first? Right? Everyone thinks they're crazy.

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Oh wow, I'm the only one who wakes up and

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there's a man standing at my bed every night, and

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you think you're the only one, right, and you you're crazy.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like the phenomenon itself wants you to feel

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like that, you know, and shuts you off from other

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you know, other groups of people that would love you

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for what you've experienced and not you know, kind of

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disinfringed as you Yeah, but that was my that was

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my encounter, if not a confrontation, with this phenomenon. And

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from that moment on I started to evolve into this

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own journey, the owne pilgrimage into what I did is

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I experienced what it is we're dealing with, Why they

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why I believe, you know that these aliens are actually

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not aliens at all, and you know it's all compounded

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into this one fur ball of different concepts. But that's

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really where I started with my journey.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's I mean, let's start there with the

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with the experience of the thing in your room. Like

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you know, if you know, the easy grid is say yes,

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it's a demon, you can rebuke it in Jesus, name

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it and it leaves. And but what what what ended

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up happening with that? With there a conversation? Was it

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calling your name? Did it follow you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So it started out the very first time we

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actually visited the house, my parents went on an open

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house tour. They took me in. My dad took me

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by the hand. I was only like eight years old.

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He said, take a look around in this room. This

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is where you're going to be living if and when

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we do purchase the home. So I'm looking around and everything,

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trying to figure out where I'm going to put my sega,

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you know, my my PlayStation and my you know, my

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bad but.

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Speaker 1: So so so what games was was with that sega?

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When you moved in? It had to be a couple

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near and do to your.

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Speaker 2: Heart honestly one well, when a PlayStation took place on it, man,

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and I love the some Mario part, dude, I love

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like taking them. You know the turtleshell is just slinging

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them at people in their car. You know that's not

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really real life. You can't do that in real life.

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back then, you know, but now, uh, that was my

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kind of my kind of gig man. So you know,

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I'm looking around the room, and I really I remember

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to this day the stench that welcomed me in the room.

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I mean, when you walked in, you could smell something rantcid.

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It gripped you like you're like, okay, what is this?

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Like somebody leave food here and they didn't you clean

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some What happened? Well, I'm looking around for some reason,

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I was led to get on my hands and knees

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excuse me, had to pull this the blanket flap up

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that was on the bed a bed there. I don't

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know why, but as soon as I did this, it

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went from like blanket flap to this face underneath the

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bed of the little girl. She had a pale skin,

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black long hair. She's beautiful little girl. She had a

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white linen dress on. It was made during the turn

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of the century. It looked like and it was like

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she was frightened at me. She freaked out. I freaked out.

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I recoiled. It was nervous, scared, you know. She shimmied

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her little body all the way to the back of

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the wall. And I'm looking at her, and I'm thinking

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in my head, man, this family that's selling this house,

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that they forgot her kid, their kid. You know, they

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went out for dinner and their kids stayed behind, and

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you know, it's like a home alone situation at something.

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and I just acted like, you know, nothing ever happened.

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I didn't say anything. We got the car, come to

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find out the people that were selling the house where

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they were elderly, they had died. They didn't have like

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it was a a state sale, and there was no

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little kids in the family like that. Uh So, so

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I would be able to go to go to sleep

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at night and I would be woke. I would wake

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up at night time and I would hear someone walking

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on our wooden floors, creek creek, creek, and I would

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always walk up to my door that it would stop. So,

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I mean, I don't want to keep going on with

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the manifestations, but that was the very earliest onset of

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the phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: And uh so to smell, were you the only one

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that can can smell that? Because we know there's a

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psychic smell Clairecynthians being able to smell.

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Speaker 2: The spirits, Yes, yes it was. And I didn't understand

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what it was that I was smelling until I got

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into the texts of the Extra Sister Right according to

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Biblical antiquity, and then it made a lot more sense.

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out of numbers nineteen and chapter eleven where the Extra

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Sistic Right originated. What was happening in history is people

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were going into houses, either new houses or old houses,

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and they would encounter what would smell like a dead body,

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and so if it was a dead body, they would

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still perform the same rite. Most of the time, it

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was that it was consciousness of someone that died, and

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so then they would have what's called the open vessel lull,

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which means that if there was a ghost or if

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there's a dead person in the house, you have to

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go in. You have to go and close up all

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close up all your dishes, you have your pots of food,

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you put lids on it. Because they believe that whoever it's,

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whoever smelled that spirit, had the ability to be possessed

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Speaker 1: And so at that point, this is in numbers eleven.

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Do you know what would.

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Speaker 2: Numbers nineteen numbers nineteen eleven. Yeah, so it's called the corpse.

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It's called corpse pollution. But they discussed the open a

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vessel law. So that's the origin of possession. I didn't

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know that at the time, but they believed that as

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easily as you could smell these entities, they could wrap

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themselves around you and in you and possess it coming

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do in your consciousness. So that's what I experienced it

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as a youth. I had no idea, you know. And

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that's why, like when I mentor ghost times, I tell them, look,

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you know, whenever you're encountering an entity that smells like that,

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it's possible it's actively trying to possess you. And I think,

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and that's not to us. That would be new, especially

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in a lot of ghost unders, I know, but to

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ancient exorcists that was quite a common motif in there

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in their literature. But that's what I encountered man at

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the very first onset of it. But it moved even further,

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Like it's crazy how it evolves. So there was one

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night where I was playing video games. I saw movement

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outside of my window in the corner of my eye,

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and you know, it's night time, so you've got kind

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of different paradigms of vision going on. It's dark, but

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my stream's light and what I'm looking at is dark,

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but I still noticed that. So I look over and

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about took me five seconds from my eyes to adjust,

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and I look and I see this dark outline, darker

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than the night it was in and it's just looking

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at me, just looking at me. And so then then

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it just kind of looked and uh, disappeared. Disappeared. The

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next day was Uh, it's kind of funny because it

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was in the wintertime. The next day I get ready

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for school, I go look outside and there are huge

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footprints right next to my window seal, which my window

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seat what's about seven foot tall. So so that confused me,

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because if it's supposed to be a demon, how them

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it has physicality? Right then I started researching what a

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spirit was and all this stuff. So, you know, it's

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my very first encounter with these entities. But but I

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one hundred percent believe that wasn't a ghost that I encountered,

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or it wasn't a just a you know, benevolent, happy sweetheart,

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little girl ghost. It was an entity that thought I

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was young, I was a boy. I would like to

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play with the friend. And that's how it manifested. So

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that's how I started getting into the fault patterns of vicentities,

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how manipulous they could be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's insane. I'm tying stuff together in my head.

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You know, I've been in the scriptures a lot for

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the last couple of days. And you talking about that,

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and you were able to see, like, you know, between

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the dimension of a shade, that kind of Yeah, listen,

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I just threw that word out there, shade. And I

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know if you're a student, like I'm a student, I've

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got my Bible etword pulled up right now. Listen, last

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through four days, I've been in it non stop. God

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won't let me come out of it. But the word

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devil in the Old Testament, it's really interesting. I've been

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I've been into angelology lately last ten years. I've been

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studying the rankings and orders of angels and even some

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of the demons is but they're more general, they're just

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lower level entities or whatever. But we know, if we

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break down the word devil in the Old Testament, one

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of the words that pops up is a shade, which

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is a dark shadow being. Another is a sator a

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satyor there's levels, there's rankings, there's different beings. They're not

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just hey, it's a demon in your room, Okay, Well

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what kind is he bringing? A message? Is he here

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to attack me and possess my family? Like what's happening?

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And so it opens up a lot of nuance in

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it for us to be able to explore. So the

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shadow beings, the shadow people, or the shades which are

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mentioned of in the Old Testament.

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Speaker 2: Correct, correct, you got your shade and you also have

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your refinime. Again, once we get into like these different

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references to you know, demons and shades and everything, it's

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difficult not to understand that there are a lot of

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scholars who disagreed on the origin of the demon most

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most people, like your pre Katie ely By Elias, believe

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that these were the soulos of damned. People who died

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were evil. They were unclean when they died, and they

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were unclean when they left their bodies. So when the

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unclean man or woman becomes the unclean spirit that leaves,

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and we have evidence of that. When Yeshue Jesus is

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speaking about when an unclean spirit go without of a man,

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it seeks rest. Why that's not a demon. He's seeking rest.

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He can't rest. We call them restless ghosts, restless spirits.

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And when he findeth none, he goes back to his house. Well,

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he said, that's a demon that doesn't house. He goes

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back to his house.

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Speaker 1: And we can go.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's quoting what's called the Apocalypse of Ezra,

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the prophet Ezra, where Ezra talks to Yahweh and says,

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you know, he says, what happens to an evil man

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when he dies? And he basically says a president, you know,

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when an unclean spirit go without of a man, he

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wanders around seeking rest, he findeth none, and he goes

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to his house. When he finds his house cleaned and swept.

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What do you mean it's cleansed? He goes, as is interesting.

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He goes and he finds seven and this is what

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Jesus is mentioned. He goes and he finds seven other

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spirits greater than him. What are there's seven other spirits? Well,

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Apocalypse of Ezrus says, there's seven stages of grief.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So, so we're dealing with stages of the afterlife, not

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a you know, it's not a spatial existence. It's a

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spiritual existence where he has to go through seven stages

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of grief. And that's why when your shoe as sums

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it up, he says. And in the end, his death,

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in the end, his end, this worse than his beginning

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white because there's only one. There's not the one man

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he possessed. There's one hymn. He left his body. He

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became an unclean spirit. This is a Hebrew so tuma

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ruwa wow in the rua in Hebrews ruwak breath. This

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is interesting because we get the linguistics here. It's important

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ruwak spirit breath. When we're dealing with breath. There's only

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one species God ever breathed into or at least through

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the nostrils, which that's what ruwak means to inhale through

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the nostrils. It separates, right, Yeah, that's a dumb so

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ruwak breath to inhale life through the nostrils. So we're

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dealing with a species of spirit this is, which is not.

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We're just entertaining some of the ideas that the rabbis

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and scholars have. But it's interesting. So so you're right,

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it's very nuanced, it's complex.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's time a lot of stuff together for me.

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I tell you, I've been I've had I had another

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awakening Monday, Sunday and Monday, and I haven't it's been insants.

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But everything you're saying is tying so much together for me,

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So I appreciate it. Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's fascinating stuff, man. But the idea that

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that consciousness can exist outside of the body, and that

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it can mutate into something that it was not prior to,

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it's it's it's propped up by the also the understand

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I mean that good people they can die and they

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can evolve and so so what happened to our ancestors

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and our scholars is that they had an idea. Either

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demons are just demons that God created that fell, or

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we're dealing with at least some entities that we consider

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demonic that are actually the level of antis, that are

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unclean spirits that will use people as hosts to rest in,

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they'll hide and stuff. So is this good? Can I

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keep on going? I know, we got second I can

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just really wrap on this stuff for a while. Man,

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But you know, and one of the texts that the

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scholars really point to is Psalms one on ninety six,

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where it's called the Purse text, where David is really

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hating on one of his haters. It's hilarious to me,

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and he's the he's like, you know what, he goes,

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there's this guy, this guy that's accused of me, and

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he's a false accuser and everything, and he says, you

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know what, why don't you appoint over him a wicked man?

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This is hilarious to me, savage, our man, David was savage,

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A point over him a wicked man. Now, the Hebrew

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word there is raschav Rasia has a dual meaning. It

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means possessing U oh and evil. So what he's saying

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and this is why scholar has really wrestled with that.

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He's saying, I want you to go send an evil

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russ Shop possessing man to my enemy. It's deep stuff.

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And not only that, he said, then place a satan,

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an accuser at his side. And so demonology believe that

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there are many possession possession cases when you have a

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ghost possessing the individual and you have a satan next

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to him who was tormenting the possessing entity. This is

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why when you get into Catholicism, it's very damning because

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these exorcists the ability to confuse both of them as

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the same entity. When you're a cabalistic exers say there's

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two of them in there, and I'm just right at

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this point, but yeah, it's fascinating and all of this

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right now. Obviously this is just as hypothesizing, or at

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least they were, but I think that it's a good

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foundation to start from when discussing the possession of phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just to let you know where I've been last

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couple of days. It is about the ascension. It's about

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the ascension too. I was given the revelation. It's always

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been there and I knew pieces of it that the

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Bible is a book of ascension. It's about becoming a god.

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Jesus showed us how to do it. And within it,

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there's so many layers. Are spiritual, there's allegorical, there's literal,

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there's so many different nuances that you have to You

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have to attain light in your body to be able

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to even understand it. You're not going to You're not

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going to pick it up and be able to break

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down this stuff that you're sharing right now. This takes years.

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First of all, it takes experience. You have to open

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up your sheet and see a spirit looking you in

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the face and smell it so that when you read

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over that text that talks about an unclean or a

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foul spirit, Wow, my synapses connect and you got the

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revelations that Pastor Joe doesn't have because he's he doesn't

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even believe in those things. So the unlocking. So what

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I've been is knowing about the ascension and the people

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that have ascended, and those are the saints. Those are

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people who have achieved their light bodies. And Jesus ascended

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and he showed his light bodies to his disciples. Right,

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But again, what about those people who haven't and so

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I haven't even touched it yet. So what you're bringing

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to the table for my study this whole week is

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definitely the side of what happens to the individuals who

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are damned or who who die with more darkness in them,

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where they're not able to ascend out of this state

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of predatory or hell where they are now, and they

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become roaming spirits or wandering stars, even things like that.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, man, yeah, we call them restless spirits or

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unclean spirits. Now fascinating as unclean as it's a very

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unique term because it's limited to to the Torah. It's

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very interesting. So how what defines them as unclean? One

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also a very interesting aspect of this is if it

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points to the fact that we're dealing with mortals here

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that died. Is that when you go into the new

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test of the texts your shoe as the Exorcist, he

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would always use the word go go, you know, get right,

470
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,720
get the behind me, safety or go Now. That's a

471
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:34,400
King James translation of the Hebrew word get get is

472
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,440
a bill of divorcement. It's very it's very unique the

473
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,000
way he phrases this. Literally, it's when you're dealing with

474
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the entity God has divorced you. And it was almost

475
00:24:46,279 --> 00:24:49,279
as if they took a marriage covenant and said, okay,

476
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,319
this is what you were supposed to do, right, and

477
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:57,359
you broke the covenant. Now you're devolving, right, not evolving,

478
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,559
you're devolving. And I would suggest that in the beginning,

479
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:07,519
darkness was on the face of the deep emptiness void.

480
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,119
And so you know, all of these different references back

481
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,440
to to the beginning of creation and where people go

482
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:16,960
back to after that. It's very excut anyways. But yeah,

483
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:19,960
so so again, uh, the fact is here, guys, is

484
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,279
if if these are supposed to be divorced beings, God

485
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:29,440
never married angels never. You know, it's the the literature

486
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,119
and theology starts to crumble, you know.

487
00:25:32,319 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: And he said he married Adam, he married Adam restored

488
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,720
in Christ right, yes, then married Adam to Eve was

489
00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:41,160
the best man and the father.

490
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,519
Speaker 2: It's it, dude. I love that. That's Mortar krak Kaplan.

491
00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:46,160
By the way, you got to get his book. He

492
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,920
talks about that whole symbolism and genesis. Yeah, it's beautiful.

493
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,759
So you're right, right, And so when you get to

494
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:56,480
the linguistics here ruwak to inhale life through the nostrils?

495
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:01,039
Who did that? The Adamic race. So so these are

496
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:04,960
the little arguments that scholars point to that maybe we're

497
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,119
not just dealing with, you know, angels that fell, but

498
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,440
we're dealing with men and women who devolved according to

499
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,279
their lifestyle and then when they die, they pressed palls

500
00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:20,440
on their existence and now they themselves are being haunted

501
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,240
like we are in this dimension. It's very interesting. That's

502
00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:25,400
what a lot of people believe.

503
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, wow wow. I'm trying to find my notes

504
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,640
really quick because I got to take some notes before it,

505
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,759
because I have to. I think that the whole divorce

506
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:44,839
scenario to get out right means divorce because all of

507
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:48,119
this is in legal terms. Right, you give the you

508
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,599
get the entities or the energies, legal ground to be

509
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,759
in your life, to be in your auric field, to

510
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:56,119
torment you, to be in your mind. Why by the

511
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,799
deeds and the things that you're entertaining. While the sun

512
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,680
is up and when the sun goes down, here they are,

513
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,039
here's the witching hour. The beings are loosed on the

514
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:08,799
earth or loosed into your life, and you have to

515
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,759
sever those legal contracts and that's what Jesus says, get out.

516
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:17,000
I'm severing this legal tie. Interesting thing, the opposite of

517
00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:19,799
what you just mentioned that I found out this week

518
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,759
was a revelation to me to not only so to

519
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:24,920
get out is one thing, But the opposite of that

520
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:30,000
would be when he sends somebody like a commission, a commissioning.

521
00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:34,079
So everybody he dealt with who like he imparted some

522
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,880
knowledge or wisdom or healed them or whatever, he sent

523
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,920
them back to their homes. Go back to your family,

524
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,880
Stay away from those people because they're going to try

525
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,599
to talk you out of it. But when he sent

526
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,440
them out, that word sent out there is he sent

527
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:55,920
them at Apostolos. He commissioned, He commissioned them to bring

528
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,880
his truth and carry his truth into their life and

529
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,599
into their world. So this blind man that he healed

530
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,880
became an apostle because he's now carrying the message of

531
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,319
the Christ. You know what I'm saying. So these words

532
00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:12,960
and these little in their stories man so good.

533
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: And it brings it brings a lot of flavor to it.

534
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,559
It brings it home more. And it's you know, and

535
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,680
I've done you know, I grew up Christianity and everything.

536
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,000
And so my dad's a Bible scholar. So I've had

537
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:24,839
many many conversations in my life have been allowed to

538
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,640
thankfully well, you know, just like that, you'll find a

539
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,799
scripture and then somebody illuminate your mind like you know what,

540
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:32,319
what about this little nuance? And then it's like, oh

541
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,720
my god, it completely unlocks the text. But you know,

542
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,400
again like diving into this, this narrative of all these

543
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:46,440
entities that originated at death. You know that we're living

544
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,200
people at one time and embodied. It goes back to

545
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:53,039
Genesis six and the legend of the Nepheleine. What were they?

546
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,680
Why is it that the Bible refers to them as

547
00:28:55,759 --> 00:29:00,559
refinime giants? But David, this is interesting, Dave, I'm sorry,

548
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,599
Job says this. This is interesting, guys. We have to

549
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:11,920
research this further. Job says, can giants be born of

550
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:17,279
the dead? He's referencing this and then that's that's the

551
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,200
septuagen version. The actual king James says that dead things

552
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,559
are formed beneath the waters. Dead things are formed beneath

553
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:30,880
the waters. That word for dead can be translated as refine,

554
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,759
and it is refine you, but it can be translated

555
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:37,640
as dead or giants. What Paul's using is a reference here,

556
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:43,559
he's tying giants with dead, with the dead Jesus or

557
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,640
not Jesus a shoe or Yahweh rather mints that as

558
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,480
well when he talks about the congregation of the refine,

559
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:54,359
the congregation of the dead, not giants the dead. Even

560
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:59,519
in Proverbs eighth when the what was it the wise

561
00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:02,839
woman is and sitting on the top of the gate,

562
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,559
and she's beckoning all of these visitors to come into

563
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:08,079
her home, and the Bible says that when her visitors

564
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,720
get inside of her house, they know not that her

565
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:15,160
guests are the rafine, and the translation there is are

566
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,039
the spirits of the dead. So when we get with

567
00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:20,960
these linguistic.

568
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: So you think that's what you think, that's what the

569
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:24,039
raf are is the spirits of.

570
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:29,079
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely absolutely? Uh so so that yeah, so matter

571
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:31,359
of fact, not just not just the spirits of the dead,

572
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,599
we're also dealing with the Hebrew form of Raphai rapha

573
00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:40,720
Jehovah rapha raphas where we get the word raphael the

574
00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:45,640
healing angel, to rafa to heal. So you're also your

575
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:51,039
earliest scholars of integuity. They believe that these Rafayeem were

576
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:56,599
not just deceased people, but these were your first physicians

577
00:30:57,319 --> 00:31:01,599
and your first exerciss who had turned against their own

578
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,039
calling and went to the dark side and then died,

579
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:11,279
so then they carried their knowledge into the afterlife. Now

580
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:17,799
I'm Ralfayem. I was a healer. This is why we're

581
00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:20,200
at war with not just like I mean, we're got

582
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,680
to look at every form of spiritual warfare, necromancy especially

583
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,359
and that again when we're dealing with you apology, which

584
00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:30,720
we'll get into shortly. But we're not just dealing with

585
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:33,759
just entities that can manifest just ghosts. I don't believe.

586
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:41,279
We're dealing with high level entities that that make Alistair

587
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:45,119
Crohlan and Bife the sleeve I look like just peasants.

588
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.

589
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:50,240
And I know we're going you tied us into eupology

590
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,640
a little bit, but later yeah, whatever, whatever, let me

591
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:59,079
ask you this. So my my understanding is has been

592
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,880
changing a little bit. It revelation has been changing, and

593
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:11,000
it's it's it's out of a less less romantic that

594
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:14,200
we you know, we uh romanticize with the text and

595
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,079
and and most of us who know Enoch and I've

596
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:18,759
got some demonologists watching and people a lot of people

597
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,519
start there, and we're getting into that. So the idea

598
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,440
of the sons of Seth if you will, right, and

599
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:29,640
so being you know, the Nephilm were the gods who

600
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:32,400
came down and made it with with women, and so

601
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,519
Michael Heizer's big on that the divine Council of the

602
00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:38,359
Elohem and the gods who came down and those children

603
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:40,160
weren't able to go back to heaven and there's all

604
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,039
of this kind of nuanced which became demons, maybe a

605
00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:47,319
realm of demons, maybe some demons. But it's kind of

606
00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:51,039
and I've I've taught that I believe that, but it's

607
00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:53,319
kind of been changing a little bit, like that they

608
00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:58,160
were because it we like romanticize it. What you're saying,

609
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:00,240
and what we're kind of getting into is like hold

610
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:03,960
on the consequence for turning away from from God, from

611
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,960
from being a fallen angel. That's what these were men

612
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:11,160
at some point or did they start off these gods

613
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,119
because Saw maybe two does say you are gods, but

614
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,119
you're going to die. Now I'm going to limit your life.

615
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,279
You were gods, but now you're dying as men. Who

616
00:33:18,319 --> 00:33:21,680
do you think that those people?

617
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so I lean towards a concept that was known

618
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,680
in Mesopotamia. See one thing that we have to remember.

619
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,039
And I didn't like this at first because I wanted

620
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:39,000
it to be wrong. But the Nephelie narrative was recorded

621
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,240
by different religions at that time, and so even the

622
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:47,759
term angel or malachim and Hebrew was did not originated

623
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:50,359
in Hebrew consciousness. They picked up that term from another religion,

624
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,359
and every really incorporated into their theology and angelology. So

625
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,960
you're in compared with literature, mala kim meant to seee

626
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:02,559
ancestor So when we have fallen angels, a lot of

627
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:04,559
your rabbis will have a difficulty with that because they

628
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:06,960
were like, Okay, if you're an angel, how'd you fall?

629
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,440
And if you fell while you're still an angel, it

630
00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:11,760
wasn't it doesn't make any sense. It still and still

631
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,719
you start looking at how Yahweh refers to men in

632
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:22,519
battle and how they fell. M this man fell in battle,

633
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:25,920
and start to see that very interesting that these terminologies

634
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,840
that are employed about angels are also employed about mortal

635
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,320
men at the time that they die. So let's dive

636
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,360
even further so that the narrative of the Nathaline, I

637
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,920
think is correctly understood when you realize that Malaquine, the

638
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,119
Malchine they're referring to, was deceased ancestor, so it makes

639
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:43,760
a lot more sense. So what I started doing when

640
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,159
I dove into this literature is I realized that it's

641
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:50,119
difficult to flush out any good narrative in Genesis six

642
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:54,960
over reading Shakespeare in English. You know, it's it's Hamlet

643
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,880
and all this, it's really how it was written. So

644
00:34:57,079 --> 00:34:57,880
what I needed for.

645
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: A good reason, though, for good reasons, so that you

646
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:03,519
have to dissect it. So you have to ponder, right, Yeah,

647
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,800
it's like a parable almost for sure. So you know,

648
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:07,840
and I did dissect that.

649
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: I wanted to dive into it had first and get

650
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,559
more more understanding because it was highly nuanced, highly difficult.

651
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:16,199
You know, who are they? So you know it wasn't

652
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,679
just my experience and being difficult with it. I mean,

653
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,599
you know, we have people out there saying the sons

654
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:24,360
of self, you know, and we can't justify how they

655
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,320
had giants where they come from? Well, the DNA was

656
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,400
at it, so okay, who did that?

657
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: We don't know.

658
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,199
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, we even have the Testament of

659
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,800
Reuben where it says, you know that we're blaming on

660
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,599
the women. The women were you know, it's the women's fault.

661
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,559
Matter of fact, the angels did even fall. They just

662
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:40,320
fell in love. And you know, how did they do that?

663
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,039
I mean, there's there are many different problems with this theory.

664
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,119
What did they get the seed to to insiminate the

665
00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:47,760
women with? You know, how did they do that? Do

666
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,119
they have their own? Yeah, you know that they steal

667
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:52,920
it from somebody else. So all of this, this this

668
00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:55,800
nuance is president of the text. It wasn't until I

669
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,800
got a hold of what's called the apocryphan of John

670
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,679
as a Coptic manuscript preserved by Egyptian monks. It gave

671
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:09,639
commentary to this event in history. They said that when

672
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:11,920
the Bible mentions that they went into them and married

673
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,280
into them and made of them wives, it wasn't as

674
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,960
if they signed covenants of Torah with him. It said

675
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,239
that what happened was these entities waited until the husbands

676
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,719
were absent from the wife. It's very dangerous at war.

677
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:27,639
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what David did, right.

678
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: Right, right right, and then they would met. This is

679
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,000
very interesting, guys, because there's a lot of people. I've

680
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:35,360
never heard this before, and I love teaching teaching it

681
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,599
because I know when I first heard it, Dude, I

682
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:39,960
went off, I started, I started. I was like, oh

683
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,400
my God, I call my dad, I said, dude, revelation, Man,

684
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,599
when it hits, it hits. So said that, excuse me,

685
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:49,360
said that these entities manifested to the women in the

686
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,039
image of their husband. Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa?

687
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: Where's that?

688
00:36:54,039 --> 00:37:00,679
Speaker 2: Where's that Apocryphate of John? This is this gets wild quick, men.

689
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,840
They manifested in the image of the husband. Now, for

690
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,679
your religious scholars out there, this is why Paul says,

691
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,039
if another Jesus comes to.

692
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: You, bro, like Jacob wrestling with the angels, he saw

693
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:27,159
them ascending and decent. He's seen them evolving and messing

694
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,639
up to come back down. Wow.

695
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,639
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is interesting. So you know Paul's teaching this.

696
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,360
He's teaching this concept. If another doctrine comes to you,

697
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,239
if another spirit comes to you, matter of fact, if

698
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,360
another Jesus comes to you, watch this, paulses, I have

699
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:49,199
espoused to you to one we're dealing with someone who's

700
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,679
married and dealing with an entity that's gonna manifest as

701
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,719
the Covenant, the doctrine, the spirit, and the name to

702
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,000
the bride. Yeah, as though right, as though I'm the husband.

703
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:04,679
It's fascinating. So anyway, so yeah, the puckerphon of Johnat

704
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,880
says that they manifested to the women in the images

705
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,039
of their husbands. Now, why so they groomed him in

706
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:15,840
an intercourse. Now this is very important. Guys. At the

707
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:22,719
moment of conception, they stared into their eyes and they

708
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:28,719
changed their appearance to their what their apparition really look like.

709
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:31,280
That's why I'm telling That's why I'm That's why I

710
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,920
teach that these are deceased people. So you have the

711
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,880
apparition staring into the eyes of the female while it's

712
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:45,639
insiminating her. Now, what are we dealing with now? An

713
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:50,320
antiquity that's called it obstected tradition. When Jacob would bring

714
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,199
his sheep or goats to the water before they made it,

715
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:55,199
it was because they looked at their own image, their

716
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,840
own images they would recreate after the image they were

717
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,360
looking at. That's what that's what's called the obstrected tradition.

718
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,880
They believe that whatever image the woman was focused upon

719
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,840
at the moment of incimination, she would birth the material

720
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,920
image of through her womb as a child. This is

721
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:18,320
why they did not want her to recreate the image

722
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,840
of her husband. They wanted her to recreate the image

723
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:28,519
of their Their apparitions very important. Then, So now what

724
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:32,760
do we have here is we have the software and

725
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:38,559
the hardware. We had the apparition that father is its

726
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:44,079
own child. Now I have evidence that they're possessing the

727
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:47,559
child that they fathered. So very interesting.

728
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: So these beings were they ascended beings? Were they beings

729
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,280
that ascended? And then kind of.

730
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: They're liminal, They're liminal, So we're dealing with liminal to

731
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,079
these Now, liminal isn't just an academic term that means

732
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:02,199
they're into places at once, or they're in between two

733
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,039
places at once one of the two. So I would

734
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:09,840
suggest to you that they're Let's get back to the

735
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,320
Allaheen real quick for a fleeting moment.

736
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: I just want to I'm just trying. I'm trying to

737
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,840
tie that in a little bit about the ability to

738
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,320
shape shift, about the ability to take on after ascension

739
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,760
or maybe even on lower levels, like some dark shamans

740
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,800
are able to change in face. Jesus did that when

741
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,920
he came back to his disciples. When he didn't he

742
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,880
didn't want them to recognize him yet, he took on

743
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,119
different forms and he also showed his light body as well.

744
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:38,920
So I'm just thinking the ascended beings are able to

745
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,360
to more for shape shift.

746
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are these words, and these are they're still

747
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,920
doing it this day. But but yeah, so so they

748
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,679
insimiated the female and then they created this this species.

749
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:53,880
Now and the apography that John says that from the

750
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:59,159
darkness they bore children from the darkness, what's the reference here?

751
00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:07,920
From that portion of death the existence? They created children

752
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:12,880
that had the image of their likeness. So I described

753
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,760
this as as if it's the nature of possession. It's

754
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,480
not the relocation of consciousness, it's the replication of life.

755
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: It's forceful, forceful.

756
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,639
Speaker 2: It's almost in the sense and a legal form of

757
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:29,239
reincarnation to them where they will create a child and

758
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,840
then place their consciousness in it. Now, what's interesting about

759
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,880
this is it's not transient possession. It's not an empty,

760
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:38,760
possessing garant edda, which is you know, in a shower

761
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,960
or going at a grocery store, you know, looking for contact.

762
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:45,239
This is different. Now I have a body that looks

763
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:45,960
like my apparition.

764
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: Okay, now, I gotta stop you there because I'm just

765
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,239
tying things together a little bit here. Yeah, I'm with

766
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,079
you now, and I know you're not traditional Christian anymore,

767
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:57,840
but it kind of seems like, you know, the next

768
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,159
blow is like, here is the these beings who came

769
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:06,440
down and impregnated Mary to have their seed. I didn't

770
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,639
know if that's where you go out with that.

771
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,119
Speaker 2: No, I'm not going with that at all.

772
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:11,679
Speaker 1: Okay, no, because I mean, I know there's people Gus

773
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,280
was it Alien or Jesus was these kind of things?

774
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,599
Speaker 2: And well, I think that we're at war, and I

775
00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:20,000
think that yahweh did that for a reason because now

776
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:24,840
it's I'm in your territory for sure. Watch this the

777
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,800
Fathers of the Son. Wait a minute, right, it's it's

778
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,519
an amazing the way that that they outline that. Anyways, Yeah,

779
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:35,599
so so that's what they did. And so I think again,

780
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:37,960
if we have to understand the nature of possession according

781
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,519
to antiquity, uh, you know, our earliest text, according to

782
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:45,079
James Fraser, the Golden Bowl. The anthropologist is that possession

783
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:50,320
originated I'm a battlefield when warriors were mortally wounded, they

784
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,119
were dying, but they didn't want to die, so they

785
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:55,000
would actually leave their own bodies prior to their body

786
00:42:55,079 --> 00:43:01,199
dying dispossession and then and then calm, dear the consciousness

787
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,760
of another person, place their soul in that individual as

788
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,199
a form of survival. So as long as there was

789
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,519
a body for them, do and have it, their soul exists.

790
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:13,599
It's very interesting.

791
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,559
Speaker 1: Well here's the maybe this is where you're going. I

792
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:18,639
don't know because not a lot of people go here.

793
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,559
Not a lot of people go here. With the maybe

794
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:25,800
alien grays, which people think, are you know these just

795
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:31,920
a body that was created that is lifeless. And then

796
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:35,559
the spirit of the fall in the demon is able

797
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:39,320
to now have an earth a suit in this reality

798
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,480
like almost like Charles Lee Ray dying and becoming Chucky

799
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:47,000
and I'm still here right, So that the alien grays

800
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:50,920
are meat suits that someone or something put a spirit

801
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,760
inside to animate. Is that where you go?

802
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,159
Speaker 2: One hundred? Oh God, yes, oh yes, And I have

803
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,800
a lot of evidence to support that. Number one. These

804
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:02,679
tees in Genesis six courting Pocket of John has said

805
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:05,400
that they had the same likeness. Matter of fact, they

806
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:12,679
said they had copies of bodies. Hello Grace, same things,

807
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,079
same things, And okay, so so Fritz Kramer, Uh, he

808
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:18,320
wrote a book called The Red Fez. He would call

809
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:23,440
these skin suits social skins. Now are our scholars that

810
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:30,039
antiquity called these social skins in exterior soul an X

811
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:32,239
to your soul? So the end to your soul is

812
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,400
what we would call an apparition. The X to your

813
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,039
soul is what that operation possesses the body that's the

814
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:39,039
X to your Yeah.

815
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: Would that be? Would that be some of my studies

816
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,519
kind of showing me the difference between a soul and

817
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:48,159
a spirit, like the soul and the like something.

818
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 2: Yah.

819
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,639
Speaker 1: Same so so becoming a spirit if you will in

820
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:53,320
this process?

821
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:56,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, very much. So. It's the Yeah, it's the

822
00:44:56,599 --> 00:45:01,079
creating of what's called the social skin. Now in the Bible,

823
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:04,440
it references the social skin as a garment. It's a

824
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,480
garment that one leaves. It's like taking off a coat. Now. Now,

825
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:12,119
what's also interesting again is that the social skin was

826
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:15,719
designed for them to interact in this dimension with us.

827
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,960
It's almost if it extends their life so the more

828
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,480
social skins they can make, the more social skins they

829
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,880
can possess. You can have a thousand grays and have

830
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,280
one entity possessing them all.

831
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 1: Legion, Legion.

832
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:35,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating stuff. But so again, I don't know

833
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:36,840
how much time we have. We have, We got.

834
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: As much time as you want. Yeah, okay, I'm enjoying

835
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,599
it so much. Like this is why this is dude,

836
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,840
just be straight up with you. The Lord is speaking

837
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,559
through you like heavily, so appreciate I appreciate it.

838
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:53,039
Speaker 2: Sure, thank you man. Uh yeah, so that's what we're

839
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:55,320
dealing with. We're not just dealing with identities that want

840
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,719
to appear to have a relationship with us or even

841
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,559
really I mean, we're dealing with entities that want to

842
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:05,960
comment dear the covenant that God made with his people

843
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,400
and assume the position of doctorate authority and not just

844
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,679
that but unction and spirit. Yeah, you know, Paul deals

845
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,199
with this and I don't ever talk about this because

846
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,719
usually it's just you know, negative, negative, negative, but truth

847
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,559
seek We're gonna dive in today. Man. Paul mentions this

848
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:24,960
because he's again he's dealing I I am espousing you

849
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:27,960
to one husband why he's dealing with the covenant here,

850
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,119
he's dealing with the fact the entities are gonna manifest you.

851
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,679
They're gonna say to Jesus, they're gonna say the y'all,

852
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,800
they're gonna try to give you covenant. They're gonna try

853
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,079
to give you manifestation. They're gonna give you doctrine. Right,

854
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:42,599
your husband's away, He's right, he's not returned yet. And

855
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:46,840
he says, if that happens, right, he's screaming in the

856
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:54,000
midnight of man's imagination, hold the phone. Yeah, so yeah, yeah,

857
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:56,119
So I do believe we're dealing with the same entities

858
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:59,679
and your apology as we're dealing with in possession cases.

859
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: You know, you know, you know who I have a

860
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,159
lot of respect for. And it's almost like a hero

861
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:09,400
in that in that story to me, Thomas, Thomas, you know,

862
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:12,400
Jesus leaves and he tells them before he goes, listen,

863
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,880
many are going to come in my name and they're

864
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,360
going to try to deceive you. And then most of

865
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,079
the disciples believe the first apparition that that showed up

866
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:22,960
who said he was Jesus. Everybody said, hey, it's him,

867
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:25,639
and Thomas is like, hold on man, like he just

868
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:27,119
told us that we're gonna they're going to try to

869
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:28,840
get us. They're gonna try to trick us, Like you

870
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,039
can't believe the first one. I need proof, you know.

871
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,159
So I have a lot of respect for for him

872
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:35,079
as a seeker, as a truth seeker, you know what

873
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:35,519
I'm saying.

874
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,519
Speaker 2: And people, you know, at least in my experience, they dog.

875
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: Exactly Thomas the virtue Man.

876
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So okay, So let's get back to the

877
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:53,239
idea of these raphi eve existing and having knowledge, you know,

878
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,239
prior to even their death. These were your first not

879
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:01,400
just not just not just exercistem physicians, but these were

880
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,440
your first midwives as well. That's why Lemiche too was

881
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,239
supposed to be a midwife. Like in Egyptology, they had

882
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,920
a like when the Hebrew slaves were in Egypt, they

883
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,159
had a demon, a female demon that they believe were

884
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:21,519
killing their babies by being their midwives. So it's very

885
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:24,920
interesting how all of these different roles your physician, your heal,

886
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,199
your extras, and your midwife were all manifested in the

887
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:33,119
UFO abduction phenomenon. It's interesting. So let's get back to

888
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:36,599
again their knowledge and what they understand. So there is

889
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:40,360
no behavioral pattern now in the field of yourthology that

890
00:48:40,519 --> 00:48:47,360
has not already been manifested in through necromancy in biblical antiquity.

891
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:52,920
Now I have about maybe thirty more minutes that.

892
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fun.

893
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, we're star guys, all right. Cook. So

894
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,000
so let's look at this as an aspect of the afterlie.

895
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:02,599
So again we're dealing with possession and how possession works.

896
00:49:03,039 --> 00:49:05,880
There was a cork of people that existed that believe

897
00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:11,039
that when an ancestor of their dye, they would bury

898
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:13,239
them in the home in the basement. They were called

899
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,599
family gods. It's called intro murial burial. Then they would

900
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:21,480
go to an artificer of metal blacksmith and say, okay,

901
00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:26,239
I want you to create an image of my deceased

902
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,760
ancestor out of metal. And so then they would take

903
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,599
that piece of metal they placed in their home. In

904
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:38,360
the consciousness of that unclean spirit would possess that piece

905
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,119
of metal and it would exist in that image that

906
00:49:42,199 --> 00:49:43,039
it had possessed.

907
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,159
Speaker 1: Can I drop a word to see if it's the

908
00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:48,559
same thing. Terrifim yep, terrifim.

909
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. Yep. So then later on they evolved in

910
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,719
their understanding where now they were digging up corpses of

911
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,400
the recently deceased, taking them, dragging them into their home homes,

912
00:50:01,199 --> 00:50:06,639
and taking a small metal implant uh oh, carving the

913
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,440
name of an unclean spirit of Tua ruma or tumarua

914
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:13,199
rather on a clean spirit right uwak someone who died

915
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:14,639
he would healed light to get in the ostrals now

916
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,280
and placing that name on the metal and then implanting

917
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,440
the metal into the corpse. Now that consciousness is possessing

918
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:26,920
the dead body and speaking through it. I do believe

919
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,480
one hundred percent that that's what we're dealing with in

920
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:38,079
the implant scenario. Wow, they're putting consciousness in us their

921
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:39,920
own matter of fact.

922
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,159
Speaker 1: So you start seeing it's almost like you know, in

923
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:45,159
like a lot of this is romanticized within the horror

924
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,679
movies and stuff like that. So you know, there's movies

925
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,960
about somebody who uh, they went blind and so they

926
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:54,159
got the eyes of a dead person who was a

927
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:57,800
wicked person, and now they're seeing things that that person saw. Right.

928
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:02,519
So now this entity or this spirits like living and

929
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:05,920
communicating through them. Because there's some type of form of

930
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,719
connection there. Oh God, God connected with them, you know,

931
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,199
and you're saying, implant exactly right.

932
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:15,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what are you know, what are they putting

933
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:18,119
into us? They're putting themselves in us in a way,

934
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:24,800
and so you hold on, man, there we go, there

935
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,639
we go. Sorry about that. I have my phone on.

936
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,760
You're not disturbed. I don't get that anyway. So what

937
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,400
happened is, yeah, so they had this understanding years ago,

938
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,199
thousands of years ago. Okay.

939
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:35,159
Speaker 1: Uh.

940
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: What's fascinating is that if we understood that context, then

941
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:40,880
then it helps us understand, uh, what they're doing and

942
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,360
why they're doing it. Like I have cases right now,

943
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,280
not my cases, but I know of cases of abductions

944
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,199
where like one in one was a young young kid.

945
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,320
He's like, you know, it was actually written by an adult,

946
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,920
but he remembers. He reflects reflecting back to his childhood

947
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,159
and says many. He says. One day, I was getting

948
00:51:56,199 --> 00:51:59,280
rid of for bed, he says, and all of a sudden,

949
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,599
I'm looking around and he said, I'm in my room,

950
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:08,519
but what I'm seeing is like I'm outside of my room,

951
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:13,119
flying closer to my house on the east side. He said,

952
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:19,159
So I was looking through their eyes. Wow, And so

953
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:22,559
I would suggest that they were looking through his. So

954
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,400
what they did is they had put it in plane

955
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,639
in him and they created a unified stream of consciousness.

956
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,639
So it's not Google Maps. It's just when do I

957
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:33,639
want to be with him or her? And then I'll

958
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:37,639
figure out where I'm at. It's a wild concept, but

959
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,000
we're dealing.

960
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: Somebody here in the chat, says Amber says Amber. Virgo says, right,

961
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,480
that's why psychics. A lot of psychics know so much

962
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,559
because of their demons. Right. The lady that had a

963
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,960
spirit in her and acts with nineteen that Paul rebuked,

964
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,079
there was actually a spirit of Python that was within

965
00:52:57,159 --> 00:52:59,719
her and she was able to kind of see and

966
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:04,400
know things and communicate from this unseen realm because there

967
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,679
was some kind of connection that she had through possession

968
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,960
the things. Yeah, there's a righteous you know, all of

969
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,000
this stuff has polarity. Right, there's a righteous or way

970
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:15,559
to use it for light and a way to use

971
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:18,159
it for darkness. Right. God's kingdom is the kingdom of light.

972
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,800
We are connected with him and he's in us, and

973
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,320
he's speaking and downloads and we're hearing things. But it's

974
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,000
usually good stuff. It's beautiful things of evolution and higher

975
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,920
vibrational existence stuff versus on the other side, derogatory things,

976
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,920
kill yourself, you know, and all this kind of stuff

977
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,039
that people are hearing voices and right having nightmares and stuff.

978
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:46,599
Speaker 2: You know, you're right, there's polarity to it. And I've seen,

979
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:48,519
like I wouldn't call it possessions, you know, but I've

980
00:53:48,519 --> 00:53:51,639
seen people who have had gifts where they've evolved into

981
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,400
their ministry or whatnot. And you know, they're very gifted,

982
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:59,159
veryan o the people. But you know, so the idea

983
00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:01,159
that these were the first ex everything. They have knowledge,

984
00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:03,400
they have preternatural knowledge that we don't have access to.

985
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,639
Not only that, I will what I've been doing lately

986
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,760
is I've been studying these these these abductions that don't

987
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,719
include the body. Uh So, let me give you a scenario.

988
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,800
Imagine that, like you're a husband, right, You're going to

989
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,199
bed at night or whatever. You roll over to make

990
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,159
sure you know your wife's you're a part of whatever

991
00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:29,519
they're they're they're good, they're good to go, they're asleep

992
00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:32,840
and everything, and out of nowhere you see their apparition

993
00:54:33,159 --> 00:54:36,960
peel itself out of the body and float out through

994
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,719
a window and do a ship a ball of light

995
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,320
you see outside of the window. That's happened all across

996
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,000
the world. Matter of fact, this is Ray Fowler's work.

997
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:48,519
Ray Fowler was working with Betty Andres and Luca. Where Betty,

998
00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:51,480
that was Betty's case. That's Bob Luca, her husband was

999
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:55,559
when that witnessed her soul leave her body. Now Betty

1000
00:54:55,639 --> 00:54:59,079
Luca remembers the encounter even though she was never physically abductor.

1001
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:07,159
These accounts of spiritual or soulish abduction fill the airwaves

1002
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:09,559
all across the world, and people are starting to come

1003
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:11,760
out of the woodwork by expressing finally, Okay, this is

1004
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,000
what's going to happen to me my whole life. I

1005
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,400
never understood it. But according to Ray Fowler's research, these

1006
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,679
abductions include every bit of what a physical abduction would include.

1007
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,920
You know, they talk to the individual, they educate the individual,

1008
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,880
and then right before putting them into their body again,

1009
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,360
they say that you won't remember this until it's time.

1010
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,320
So all of this fits into something that I discovered

1011
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:42,800
in the Book of Ezekiel, chapter thirteen. This gets very

1012
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,320
dark and disturbing quickly, So just bear with me Yahweh

1013
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:53,320
reference is a species of necromancer that has the ability

1014
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,599
to pluck the soul out of the body, and he

1015
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:04,079
calls them soul hunters. Is an execuel for Chucker thirteen,

1016
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,920
those who hunt the souls of men to make them

1017
00:56:09,519 --> 00:56:16,599
fly soul in the Fesh and nashamm these again, there

1018
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:21,159
are a specific species of entity that will go into

1019
00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:25,239
the homes at nighttime and they will pluck the soul

1020
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,079
of the victim out of their body. So what happened

1021
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:32,639
was an antiquity. These individuals would create certain nets around

1022
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:37,719
their bed at nighttime. We would call them dream catchers. Now,

1023
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,719
the reason they did that is because they did not

1024
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,079
want their dreams snatcher, the dream entity to come through

1025
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,960
snatch their soul, and they had a net so that

1026
00:56:46,039 --> 00:56:48,360
they realized that they hook at least that the net

1027
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:53,719
would catch their soul from leaving with them. So they

1028
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,880
created these different ambulets, different forms of warfare. But these

1029
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:03,960
entities one hundred percent had the ability to pluck people

1030
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:10,280
out of themselves and to make them fly. Now, this

1031
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:16,519
flying reference is it goes back to an ancient Egyptian

1032
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:22,039
reference to the bird's soul or the baa soul. We

1033
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:25,599
see that in the demonology in Psalms ninety one when

1034
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:31,679
David's talking about the snare of the foul. Right that

1035
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,079
bird's soul.

1036
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,159
Speaker 1: That is clean birds, Yeah.

1037
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:42,159
Speaker 2: Right, snatch them. Yeah, so they believe that, Yeah, this

1038
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,440
baa soul would leave the body at the moment of death.

1039
00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:47,880
We would call them an orb. So when the orb

1040
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,320
would leave the body, these empties would snatch it, use it,

1041
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:56,679
manipulate it, enslave it, capture all that stuff. So so

1042
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,000
it easy took thirteen. He says that they're doing this,

1043
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:04,360
and then he mentions what I call the currency have consciousness.

1044
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:09,440
Why are they're doing this? Those who should live are dying?

1045
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:17,719
Why so those who should die can live? What are

1046
00:58:17,719 --> 00:58:20,440
we dealing with? It's the same concept of them leaning

1047
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,480
on us, using us not just our bodies, but also

1048
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:27,800
our souls to prolong their existence. We are at war here, and.

1049
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,639
Speaker 1: The gospel is exactly what you said. But the opposite,

1050
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:34,599
those who deserve to die are given the chance to

1051
00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:35,440
attain life.

1052
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,239
Speaker 2: Wow, because of it's fascinating.

1053
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so good man. So do you think orbs are

1054
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,599
beings too? I gotta I got a friend that can

1055
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:47,760
make orbs appear on site and catches them on camera.

1056
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: And I do believe.

1057
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: That there's a lot of dust particles though, yeah best particles.

1058
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, I know that, But I do

1059
00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:01,440
believe that orbs. I'll tell you what's kind of funny.

1060
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,159
One night, one morning, rather my mom called me. She's

1061
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:07,119
like listening. Shecaes, I got to tell you something. Said, okay,

1062
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:09,760
she said, uh, we used to have chickens back in

1063
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,199
the day. She's like, you know, she goes, yesterday morning.

1064
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,199
You know, she said, this morning, about an hour ago,

1065
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,119
I went out to go feed the chickens, went to

1066
00:59:16,119 --> 00:59:17,920
go out collect bag. She goes, and I looked out

1067
00:59:18,519 --> 00:59:21,800
and she said, I'm looking through the trees. She said,

1068
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,079
this ball of light. She said, this ball of light

1069
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,239
is just floating like that. Then it descends at us

1070
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,559
and it just starts weaving itself through the trees. She said,

1071
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,599
I've never even heard of it anything like that. Have

1072
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:36,840
you ever heard them? Yeah, it's an ORB. But she

1073
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,440
never believed it. She didn't even know. You know, she

1074
00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:40,719
never heard of it either. She she witnessed us. So

1075
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,760
these things exist. I will say something as well. One

1076
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,960
of my mentors, doctor Michael Lynch, he's a great, great

1077
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,599
ghost on her amazing man too. But he told me

1078
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:52,199
a story about these orbs, he said, men, he said,

1079
00:59:52,199 --> 00:59:54,400
I was doing a case and he said, he said.

1080
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:55,840
I was in the house and he said, wrapped all

1081
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,159
my equipment up. I was putting my equipment in my car.

1082
00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:01,400
He said, I saw this orb floating through an alleyway

1083
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,920
and he's like, you know, He's like, you got to

1084
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,000
realize these orbs have the ability. We've seen them to

1085
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:09,199
go inside the body and out throughout, you know, in

1086
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:11,559
the walls and everything, he said. But I had a

1087
01:00:12,679 --> 01:00:15,320
laser thermometer on me where you shoot the laser and

1088
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,400
it takes the temperature of what, you know, whatever object

1089
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,880
it is, he said. So I found it and I

1090
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,119
shot it with the laser. I wanted to see what,

1091
01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:25,039
you know, if it was cold or warm or whatever,

1092
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,760
he said. But when the laser hit it, the light

1093
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:33,360
refracted off of it, so it was solid. So whatever

1094
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,400
we're dealing with has the ability to de materialize and

1095
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,880
be solid. So good. But yes, to your point, I

1096
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,159
do believe we're dealing with consciousness, and that's what they

1097
01:00:42,199 --> 01:00:43,199
believe throughout history.

1098
01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: A couple couple of questions before we move on too

1099
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,280
far again with my studies, I'm just I've been giving

1100
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,360
like this these downloads and then trying to find the

1101
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,960
scriptures to prove it, and so much of it popping up.

1102
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,480
But about the cycles and what happens at night, we

1103
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:58,800
know about the witching hour where those spirits are loosed

1104
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,000
again to your into your life every every night, every month,

1105
01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:05,239
every year. Right, there's cycles that are happening every night.

1106
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:09,000
And you mentioned the the dream catcher where they get

1107
01:01:09,239 --> 01:01:12,199
you know, these these spirits get stuck and the bad

1108
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,239
dreams get stuck within the dream catcher. And the other

1109
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:19,320
part because of my study, is tying in with astro theology,

1110
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,800
which is the sun right and in the power of

1111
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,039
the sun and the power of those watches of the

1112
01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:27,000
night where we're going through stages of darkness, but then

1113
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:30,880
the sun rises in the morning and it's and bringing

1114
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:35,400
the reward or even there's some somebology of Christ rising,

1115
01:01:35,559 --> 01:01:38,880
raising from the dead and bringing forth joy and peace

1116
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,199
of that when the sun rises. Listen, you made it

1117
01:01:41,239 --> 01:01:42,920
through the night, You made it through the dark night

1118
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:47,400
of the soul even, and so they believe that when

1119
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,480
the sun rose, the sun would burn out those entities

1120
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,679
who weren't able to go back into the darkness, right

1121
01:01:54,719 --> 01:01:57,599
because they're stuck and then the sunlight hits them almost

1122
01:01:57,679 --> 01:02:00,559
where we would get the idea of a vampire as well.

1123
01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:03,400
What do you have any more revelation on on the

1124
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,199
sun with these beings as well.

1125
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 2: The nocturnal I don't know. I'll tell you this the

1126
01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:13,280
encounter I had as a child, I felt a grade

1127
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:18,440
because I couldn't go to sleep at night, but when

1128
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,840
the sun revealed itself, felt safe. I mean I yeah,

1129
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,719
I felt completely safe. And I so I did like

1130
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,079
a year of school where I mean, oh my god, dude,

1131
01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:30,480
I was getting thirty minutes of sleep because that's all

1132
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:34,039
the sun rise a seventh, seven thirty. I'm up there. Yeah.

1133
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:37,719
So so I don't know why, but I do believe

1134
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:40,239
that they follow their own schedule. Yeah, you know, just

1135
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:41,440
like we're talking about.

1136
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,719
Speaker 1: Wow, I've been, you know, I've been. I've been deep

1137
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,559
into that study. So you bringing up the dream catcher

1138
01:02:45,639 --> 01:02:47,400
or something I didn't even think of, Like I'm I'm

1139
01:02:47,519 --> 01:02:52,039
dreading demons biblical Biblical antiquity, but it's it goes, it

1140
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:57,119
goes into every like you know, the Biblical antiquity antiquity

1141
01:02:57,239 --> 01:03:01,119
is a collection of world antiquity, if you will. It's

1142
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,320
if it's true for those guys, it has to be

1143
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,360
true for everyone else as well. So that's where I've

1144
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,599
been proved. So I'm glad you brought that up. Another

1145
01:03:08,679 --> 01:03:12,119
thing that probably would scare a lot of people, and

1146
01:03:12,199 --> 01:03:17,199
somebody posted something here in the chap you mentioned these entities,

1147
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,320
these fallen dark beings are trying to get these chips

1148
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,840
into you. And now we're on the brink of merging

1149
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:32,159
with machines and metaverse and the EMUSK neurolink and also

1150
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:36,079
r f I D technology to have all your information.

1151
01:03:36,199 --> 01:03:39,440
So you're talking about putting these chips or implants in people.

1152
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,559
People are already freaking out. So what do you think

1153
01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:45,199
about some of that stuff that's coming down the pipeline?

1154
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,239
Are Are they connected with these beings? Have they made

1155
01:03:48,239 --> 01:03:49,679
packs with these entities?

1156
01:03:50,679 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: I'll say that I don't know if they made packs

1157
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,480
with them, but I personal believe it really wouldn't matter

1158
01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:01,119
to these entities, right because let me suggest this. I

1159
01:04:01,159 --> 01:04:03,519
had an ecubus case one time where the entity was

1160
01:04:03,559 --> 01:04:05,800
laying in between the husband and wife at nighttime with

1161
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,079
this place of sweight. You could actually see it laying down.

1162
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:12,199
This entity was so evil that it was calling the

1163
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:18,519
husband's phone, answering it, calling and answering it, and then

1164
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:21,760
putting it on speaker and then talking to the wife

1165
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,239
through it. Hey came here, I want to talk to you.

1166
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,199
Get over here. I want to talk to you. I've

1167
01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:29,079
had cases of and I'm what I'm doing. What I'm

1168
01:04:29,079 --> 01:04:32,480
talking about here is them interfering with technology, right, I've

1169
01:04:32,519 --> 01:04:35,440
had I did a show with a dark Horse paranormal

1170
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,159
one time where these entities started out with the transmission,

1171
01:04:39,239 --> 01:04:41,920
they talked to each other. According to Kristin, one of

1172
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,320
the hosts and one of my best friends ever, she

1173
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,199
heard it. It come through her earphones. They one of

1174
01:04:47,239 --> 01:04:51,119
them said to the other, wait until they can hear us.

1175
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,239
And then when we got live on air, they began

1176
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,639
to cuss me out and call me these different names.

1177
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,880
But Kristin, she said it shook her so much that

1178
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:03,519
she took her headphones off. The evil she felt emanating.

1179
01:05:04,239 --> 01:05:06,039
It wasn't just oh my god, she's heard creepy you

1180
01:05:06,039 --> 01:05:09,039
know ubp's before. This was different, she said, She said

1181
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:11,880
it it really messed up. She threw the headphones off,

1182
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,039
ran out of the interview and thing outside sort of cigarettes.

1183
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:17,400
She said it was not evil. But here's my point, guys.

1184
01:05:17,639 --> 01:05:20,760
If they had the ability to interfere with our technology

1185
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,559
to that degree to call our phone, answer it for us,

1186
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,760
put it that stuff on speaker and then talk to it.

1187
01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:29,679
My god, I don't want that in my head.

1188
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,679
Speaker 1: Wow yeah right, I mean yeah, you can me.

1189
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 2: It's like yeah, my god, yeah for sure.

1190
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,199
Speaker 1: So it is the We also got to bring it

1191
01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:44,920
back to the spiritual too, because we already have very

1192
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:50,039
similar technology. Obviously, all of the technology that that they're creating,

1193
01:05:50,119 --> 01:05:52,159
it comes out of our anatomy. It comes out of

1194
01:05:52,159 --> 01:05:55,199
our spiritual technology, which we already have the power to do.

1195
01:05:55,639 --> 01:05:58,280
So we already have the power the ability to be hacked.

1196
01:05:58,599 --> 01:06:00,880
Like I've never heard it like a VP speak through

1197
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,719
voice like that, but I've heard them speak through people

1198
01:06:04,239 --> 01:06:07,320
without them knowing it and the energy be sucked out

1199
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,639
of the room when this. I've had people on my

1200
01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:13,039
podcast huge names that I've had to say, Okay, we'll

1201
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:15,159
talk to you later, thanks for coming on. Brother Boom

1202
01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:17,639
hang up. Oh my god, I couldn't breathe.

1203
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 2: Something will speak.

1204
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: He had he had a hatred of bitterness, or rage

1205
01:06:23,079 --> 01:06:26,920
was instilled with him that was coming out as a teacher,

1206
01:06:27,239 --> 01:06:30,079
and it was like everyone could feel it, and I

1207
01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:33,360
just had to thank you for coming on, man, but

1208
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,400
I had to bro like it wasn't just me. Everyone

1209
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,119
could feel it. So right, they have the ability to

1210
01:06:39,199 --> 01:06:43,000
hack us and to hack other people. And the way

1211
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:47,079
that they do that the implant is your hurt, is

1212
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:52,480
your bitterness, is your unforgiveness. That's their neurolink to speak

1213
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:55,000
to and through you. We are channels.

1214
01:06:56,199 --> 01:06:59,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, and this is very interesting man. I mean,

1215
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,000
I mean now we can get into the because now

1216
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,079
we're tapping into how they can lay themselves on us

1217
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:08,760
and you know, manipulate our thoughts and everything. I'll give

1218
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,280
you a case in point. About two years ago, I

1219
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,079
was at a restaurant and I was smoking my cigar,

1220
01:07:14,199 --> 01:07:16,920
reading my books, man, and my buddy walks over to me.

1221
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,400
He goes, hey, dude, he goes, I want you to

1222
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,800
help my friend out. He's like, you know, she's got

1223
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:22,800
a lot of things going on in her life, and

1224
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:24,679
she she you know, I know what you do, maybe

1225
01:07:24,679 --> 01:07:26,400
you can help us. Okay, So she sits down with

1226
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:30,960
their boyfriend and she starts her story out. She's like,

1227
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,079
you know, and she goes, My best friend lived with

1228
01:07:34,119 --> 01:07:37,719
her grandfather in this really old house and they had

1229
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:39,960
an entity in the house. And she said, the other

1230
01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:42,760
day it decided he chased It was like manifest you

1231
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,119
could see it. It chased her grandfather out. He had

1232
01:07:46,119 --> 01:07:48,280
a corner and he died of a heart attack in

1233
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:52,599
the lawn. But he left the home to this girl.

1234
01:07:52,599 --> 01:07:54,960
This this is his granddaughter. And she said, oh, this

1235
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:56,960
is my best friend. It's her best friend. She's like,

1236
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,679
you know, she wants me to come and stay with her,

1237
01:07:59,159 --> 01:08:00,800
she said, but I'm a to I don't want to

1238
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,519
go in that house. You know, if it's physical enough

1239
01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:06,679
to chase somebody out and terrify them enough to die,

1240
01:08:06,719 --> 01:08:08,199
I don't want anything to do with And I said,

1241
01:08:08,239 --> 01:08:10,400
what's probably wise, you know, in your case, you know

1242
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:14,440
it's probably wise. But I said, as I'm talking to you,

1243
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,039
which I'm I'm gonna say this in real time. As

1244
01:08:17,079 --> 01:08:21,479
I'm talking to her, I see this dark cloud just

1245
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,920
just envelop her, laid on her like a cloud. And

1246
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:29,560
I said, instantly I had knowledge, words of knowledge. I said, okay,

1247
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,720
I said, I do believe that there is a grandfather

1248
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,760
that needs help. I do believe that there's a young

1249
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,560
girl that needs help. But I said, and I could

1250
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,319
help your friend. I said, but I believe that the

1251
01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:45,119
reason you were sent here today is because you have

1252
01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:49,399
an attachment of suicide on you. And I said that

1253
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,640
you don't know. I said, it's not allowing you to

1254
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,920
scream for help. I said, so the only thing you

1255
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,079
could do subconsciously is to come to me, knowing you're

1256
01:08:59,119 --> 01:09:02,720
the one that needs to help the most. Dude, when

1257
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,199
I say it was like an explosive tears, you could

1258
01:09:05,319 --> 01:09:06,399
feel it breaks.

1259
01:09:07,079 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: Just by you identifying it.

1260
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, in the atmosphere changed. She started bawling. She

1261
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:17,159
grabs her boyfriend's hand and she's leaning on him, just balling.

1262
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,359
I said, now we're going to deal with the entity.

1263
01:09:21,239 --> 01:09:24,399
I said, who in your family committed suicide? Because I said,

1264
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:29,920
this is a familial attachment, she said, my grandfather killed

1265
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:35,239
himself in twenty fourteen. All right, that entity has attached

1266
01:09:35,239 --> 01:09:38,239
itself to your family, and it thinks it has authority

1267
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:40,560
over you. I said, so what it's doing now is

1268
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,399
its laying on you. Now, it's claiming you. Why because

1269
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,079
it says this is I already had the other one

1270
01:09:46,119 --> 01:09:47,640
I've got I'm going to get you two. So it's

1271
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:51,399
very interesting in their psychology. But I employed what's called

1272
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:56,239
the cabalistic exorcistic right that Isaac lury at Tall. He

1273
01:09:56,319 --> 01:09:59,000
said that a lot of these entities when they manifest

1274
01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:03,760
in people, especially as attachments, they will send very emotions

1275
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:08,199
into that individual like tentacles, not allowing them to think

1276
01:10:08,199 --> 01:10:11,720
for themselves. And you're talking about how the neuroleak or

1277
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,520
the endplant is our emotions or whatever. Now trauma, Yeah,

1278
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,039
they would literally lay on top of the pain, on

1279
01:10:18,199 --> 01:10:22,319
top of the trauma, and then they will send faults

1280
01:10:22,359 --> 01:10:26,960
to that individual. I'm not good enough. I should take

1281
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,520
my own life. And then watch what happens if we

1282
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:36,319
catch that and we assign that authority. Boom. You know,

1283
01:10:36,399 --> 01:10:38,840
my daddy always told me I wasn't worth it, and

1284
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:43,199
I agree with that spirit. Now that spirit's growing into you,

1285
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,760
so it gives you a fault to see if you

1286
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,560
agree with it, then it goes back and says, see,

1287
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:54,880
we are making a covenant an agreement here. Now watch

1288
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,039
this to the point where the entity is so much

1289
01:10:58,199 --> 01:11:03,239
inside of the endae vidual that the individual cannot determine

1290
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:11,039
their thoughts from the entity's thoughts. Now it's thinking for them.

1291
01:11:11,119 --> 01:11:13,800
It's deep stuff. So what I began to do is

1292
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,359
I began to give her a call. Like I guess,

1293
01:11:17,399 --> 01:11:21,039
I gave her her authority back. I began to pull

1294
01:11:21,079 --> 01:11:24,039
out the intentions of the sentity, the emotions that she's

1295
01:11:24,039 --> 01:11:26,720
been feeling. And I said, I'm going to speak directly

1296
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,680
to the sentity, and I'm telling you, this is not

1297
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,479
a word of God for you. This is not what's

1298
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,359
being this is not the plan of God for you.

1299
01:11:34,359 --> 01:11:36,640
You are worthy. And I told her, I said, I

1300
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,680
need you to say these words with me. These are

1301
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:44,079
not my faults. When I got done with that, dude,

1302
01:11:44,119 --> 01:11:49,760
it was unbelievable. I saw her about six months later

1303
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:54,399
a completely different person. Her relationship with their boyfriend was healed,

1304
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,720
her life was heading in the right direction. But I

1305
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:02,920
think that's the cabalistic exorcistic right where it's not just

1306
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:07,880
holy water, and then displace the entity, creating a second victim,

1307
01:12:08,039 --> 01:12:11,760
you know, but dealing with the emotions, giving them their

1308
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:17,079
autonomy back. And then now when there's authority there, now

1309
01:12:17,119 --> 01:12:19,520
you look at the entity and say you don't have authority, know,

1310
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:23,159
no more authority here none any longer, right, because now

1311
01:12:23,359 --> 01:12:26,279
she's saying you got to go you're illegal.

1312
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: Yes, legal ground authority is that? Listen, hey, she said

1313
01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:32,359
we can be here. How what she came into legal

1314
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:33,119
contract with this?

1315
01:12:33,279 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 2: By this? This?

1316
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 1: This? How much time you got? How much time you

1317
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:36,159
got and.

1318
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 2: Give me give me tim more minutes? Man, my yeah,

1319
01:12:39,039 --> 01:12:39,319
I just.

1320
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: So let's let's let's run through these. Let's do a

1321
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,079
speed round. Uh so you got ten minutes, So I'm

1322
01:12:47,079 --> 01:12:49,600
going ahead, watch down speed round of questions because I

1323
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,600
got a bunch for you now casting out those demons.

1324
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:56,000
It's not just simply identifying. There's many people who study

1325
01:12:56,079 --> 01:12:58,800
to identify, but they don't have the authority. They don't have.

1326
01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:02,279
They're not in bad they're not they don't they don't

1327
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,800
know their authority, right, they can identify it hints in

1328
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,199
the Bible, we got the biblical example of the seven

1329
01:13:08,359 --> 01:13:11,560
Sons of Skiba, who they were, like, hey, we we

1330
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,720
identify evil spirits less like these guys. And if you

1331
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,399
want to explain that story not everybody knows, but kind

1332
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,680
of run through that of how they they couldn't do that?

1333
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I assure you in the name

1334
01:13:24,359 --> 01:13:27,239
Jesus do Paul preach it? Yeah, Skiva means mind reader.

1335
01:13:28,399 --> 01:13:32,159
These were fakers, fakers, frauds people you know, and I'm

1336
01:13:32,199 --> 01:13:36,039
not people who you know, you know, give me fifty bucks,

1337
01:13:36,039 --> 01:13:37,760
I'll give you something, and you know, I'll give you

1338
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,119
a you know, this treating and it doesn't really you know,

1339
01:13:40,199 --> 01:13:42,119
make any sense. It's not it's not really accurate, but

1340
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:43,720
you know whatever, that's what they thought. And so they

1341
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,680
thought that that that they could employ the same methods

1342
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,960
without knowing the man. Oh, it's a good teacher right here, right,

1343
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:56,159
I'm getting passionate man, you know, by Jesus whom Paul preach. Well,

1344
01:13:56,199 --> 01:13:57,880
that's a method, Paul.

1345
01:13:58,319 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1346
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,560
Speaker 2: You've got the meeting. You've got to encount. You can't

1347
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:03,920
just you know, throw a Bible at these things and

1348
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,199
they won't respect you. Jesus, I know, Paul and them

1349
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:11,039
who are you? And they beat them until they were naked.

1350
01:14:14,359 --> 01:14:17,439
I think it's funny, you know, they you know, there's

1351
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:21,199
a measure of respect amongst these empties. And it's just

1352
01:14:21,359 --> 01:14:24,439
like and I know that this might be controversial, but

1353
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,640
there was an old drunkerd named AA Allen back in

1354
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,880
the day, and people said he was a fraud. He

1355
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,880
wasn't a fraud. A matter of fact, he had an

1356
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:35,119
alcohol problem. The man was legit. There was one uh,

1357
01:14:35,399 --> 01:14:37,359
there was one money act that they had outside of

1358
01:14:37,399 --> 01:14:39,560
a tent. She was curled up in a ball in

1359
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,960
the back seat of a car and nobody could get

1360
01:14:42,039 --> 01:14:44,119
that spirit out. He walked over to her in this

1361
01:14:44,279 --> 01:14:47,720
documented I'm aa allen, He whispered in her ear, laid

1362
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:54,199
hands on her. Gone. So these entities the real recognize

1363
01:14:54,279 --> 01:14:58,640
is the real Yeah but yeah, so so I don't

1364
01:14:58,640 --> 01:14:59,920
even know where I was going with yeah, yeah, but

1365
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:01,199
well I would.

1366
01:15:01,359 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. They probably had no light in them, like they

1367
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,560
had no light, which is that authority to speak to it?

1368
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,600
And what that light is, that's your devotional life, that

1369
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,479
is your alms that you're doing. And God takes notice

1370
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,600
of your arms, and there's rewards. One of the rewards

1371
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:19,560
is being able to speak to entities and they're removed.

1372
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,159
And so they didn't have no light that gave them

1373
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:24,359
the revelation of how to do it or even the

1374
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:28,520
ability to speak to such entities. So man, so good, bro,

1375
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:31,960
So much comes out of that. So many more questions.

1376
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,800
So I mentioned that another question for you have you

1377
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:40,720
heard of tera trauma tumors, which was something that was

1378
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:45,119
really interesting for me to learn about concerning these spirits

1379
01:15:45,399 --> 01:15:47,479
trying to possess people. Have you have you heard of

1380
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:51,760
that term? And Okay, so simply and I got to

1381
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:53,560
you know, always I wrote about it in my book,

1382
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:54,920
but I got to give credit. I heard about it

1383
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,399
from Chris Everett. Chris Everard covered this in one of

1384
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:02,199
his Spirit World God documentaries, which really inspired me. But

1385
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,479
the te atoma tumor is these tumors that people are

1386
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,239
finding on them. They go and they have a mass

1387
01:16:08,319 --> 01:16:10,600
and a big growth on their side, and they go

1388
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,760
to the doctor and there's eyeballs growing in it, there's

1389
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,760
teeth grow and there's faces growing in.

1390
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 2: It, all from alignant from alignant. Yeah.

1391
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,640
Speaker 1: So it's almost like these entities that are in that

1392
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,319
person long enough and they want to they have a host,

1393
01:16:24,399 --> 01:16:28,479
but they want their own body and almost like trying

1394
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,359
to form their own body out of the person. Yeah.

1395
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:32,079
Really interesting.

1396
01:16:32,119 --> 01:16:36,159
Speaker 2: Okay, let's dive into that real quick, because again, possession

1397
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plays such a major role in all of this. It's

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unreal so dealing with the entity that once it's an autonomy,

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doesn't want it just its own consciousness, but it wants

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its own self, right. Uh So, in the sixteenth century,

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in the d book phenomenon of the Big phenomenon, possession

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begin to evolve and mutate. It as something that's profoundly

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disturbing in my in my mind, weeah cases of women

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being a hosted in their dreams. Right, the dream demons,

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the entity that would manifests a former lover or a

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husband try to inseminate them. And I've had cases like

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this all across the world. So anyways, in the sixteenth century,

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these women would think that there was just a dream, right,

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it was just a dream. They would wake up the

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next day with handprints and bruises and scarfications to their body,

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and then they would become possessed by the entity that

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assaulted them. They would go to the exorcist and I

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am so and so and you know, it was nine

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percent time with somebody that lived and died. Wasn't a

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good dude. Uh And then and then it mutated again.

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Now we're dealing with this, we're starting to point to

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the idea of them wanting to be autonomous, right, they

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want their own anatomy. It's not just their own consciousness.

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So then these individuals would become accosted by and then

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possessed by the antity that accosted them. Then they would

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become pregnant with the entity that possessed them so much

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so this is fascinating stuff right here, they would go

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to the extorssists, the extissists would see the entity curled

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up in their womb like a baby, which leads to

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what my point and some of my work lately has

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been that pregnancy to us is possession of them, and

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possession of them them is pregnancy to us. In other words,

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it's not just that they're possessing us, they're putting things

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in us to possess. Wow, this is why Genesis six matters.

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The most software inside the child, the child's hardware, software

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and the hardware. That's why they were born among us. Again,

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you had the giants, had the ref Yeah, this is

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I never made this distinction.

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Speaker 1: So we know that the giants. The word we get

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there is is heroes, the heroes of renown, right. And

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so there was these giants born on the earth, and

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there was these beings on the earth that were at

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war with the seed of the woman. So these are

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these are we call them Reptilians. You call them whatever

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you want. They have a lot of different names, right,

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And so we're on the earth with them, they're here

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with us, and so they were always at war with

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the children of Israel, which is us spiritually, antiquity whatever.

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But then I never made this connection until yesterday as

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doing my study Herod Herod. The word king Herod comes

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from comes from hero the word the king. King Herod

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is king of the Heroes, and he dealt with the

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seed of the Woman as well. When he heard about

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the Messiah that the stargazers followed the magi I followed

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to welcome the birth of the Messiah, the one that

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would overthrow and break the bands of darkness that was

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on the earth. When Herod the Heroes like still from

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that lineage, he found out he's got to do his

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ancestors justice and kill all the children that was born

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within this time span to try to kill the Messiah

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that would crush his head in the end.

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Speaker 2: You're right, we're dealing with it's almost like a spiritual bloodline.

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And I think again, way back during the beginning of

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the interview, we're talking about you know that what is

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that the same thing of you know Yahweh in simonating

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marry and everything. Well, I would like to say it's

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like this, okay, when you have an entity possessing people

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like they did, like the necromancer, which he was a

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necromancer in the gatherings he was, You're dealing with an

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entity who is possessed. He's being worn like a garment

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and he's it's his skin, the itsut he's looking them

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through the eyes. You have a spirit that's almost being

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made flesh now and then when your Shua gets up there,

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this is amazing, okay. In the Old Testament, there's a

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prophecy that Yahweh refers to when he deals with necromancers.

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He says, in that day, I will come to you

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and I will number you. Oh my God, I'll number you.

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You will bow down and worship me. Okay, you shoe

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01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:03,039
us sandy footfall hits the beach and he's walking up

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and he sees this man who dwells in the tombs,

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and he asks them, what is your name? We are legion,

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we're many. What do you do He just got numbered? Mmm,

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it's for Philly step this is what? Oh God, Martin

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Buber says, God speaks a word and steps into it.

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This is what he's doing right now. He numbers the

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necro mancer, and the necromancer worships him.

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Speaker 1: Every knee must bow and every must confess.

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Speaker 2: It was an absolute hit slap.

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Speaker 1: I gotta let you go. I gotta let you go.

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I know your bite for time, But what is your

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spiritual practice? Man?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: How do you like you know this stuff? What is

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01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,000
your connection with your shoe? What is your connection with

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01:21:49,079 --> 01:21:51,000
the light? What is your connection with God? How do

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01:21:51,079 --> 01:21:53,600
you maintain clean hands and a pure heart?

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Speaker 2: I study unction. I grew up Pentecostalism. The men that

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I I wouldn't say worship, but I pretty much put

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on a pedestal where guys that ah that lived the

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life of humility before God. You know, they knew they're gifted.

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They often were nomads. They lived with the profound loneliness.

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And I think that I identify with them in the

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sense that I was designed to be a deliverance minister.

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H So you know that's really my connection now with

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respect to how do I get that sticky feeling off

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01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:29,560
of me after I do cases that really feel like

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01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:33,680
being watched. I watched Fraser Crane, Dude, that was not

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01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,359
that much of a spiritual thing, man, But I watched

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01:22:36,399 --> 01:22:40,640
Fraser cheers. I love like, Yeah, I don't know, but

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01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:42,840
you know that's my kind of spiritual practice.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So there's no really no no prayer, no devotion,

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01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:47,760
no fasting. Like you've done that. You've kind of prepared

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yourself already.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, and I preserved. I preserved

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that sensitivity too, which is something that takes, uh, you know,

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01:22:57,279 --> 01:22:59,600
it takes a lot of practice, but you have to

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be a out. You have to allow yourself to be

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alone without being lonely.

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Speaker 1: Because you never are once you understand that, because you're

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01:23:09,319 --> 01:23:12,479
not watching Phraser by yourself anymore, you know what I'm saying,

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01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,800
entertaining angels and God and Christ and all the beings,

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01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,520
the demons even too, they're watching with you. So we're

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01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,640
navigating and wading through this, bro. There's so much more

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01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,039
that we can go into, and I want to go into.

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01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:27,159
This subject is near and did in my heart. And

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01:23:27,279 --> 01:23:30,520
the way that you approach it as being open and

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01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:34,800
being a student of antiquity and of the scriptures, Bro,

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01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,239
it's right up my alley, man. I really enjoy anything

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01:23:37,279 --> 01:23:39,560
you brought to the table. Listen, we didn't even get

1525
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:44,560
to go into you know, demons getting access through movies

1526
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:48,760
and portals and the television so deep. But hey, let

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01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,840
people know where they can go to purchase your books,

1528
01:23:52,359 --> 01:23:54,760
book a session with you, find out more about your

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01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,600
work and your interviews, all that cool stuff. Bro.

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01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 2: Man, I used to have a website and getting it

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01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,640
professionally redone, I don't. I don't know if I want

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01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,319
to have a website. Man, I'm already on social media,

1533
01:24:03,399 --> 01:24:05,560
so until I get that done, I don't want to

1534
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:09,119
share it with you guys anyway. So it's I'm on Instagram, YouTube,

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01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:14,039
and Facebook. On all of those sites, I'm Nathaniel J. Gillis.

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01:24:15,039 --> 01:24:16,960
I just started up my YouTube channel. Man, I went

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01:24:17,079 --> 01:24:20,439
from two hundred subscribers to six hundred in the last

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01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,359
three days, and they're going to go up more now,

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01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:25,960
so I hope. So, man, I'm excited. People need to

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01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,800
hear this research and at least get a different perspective

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01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:31,720
of it. Yes, but you know, yeah, man, that's how

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01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:35,119
to get a hold of me. And I do counseling sessions.

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01:24:35,239 --> 01:24:37,680
I'm busy, Like I get real busy sometimes and so

1544
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,600
it takes me a long time to get back to people,

1545
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:41,279
but I try to get back to people as soon

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01:24:41,319 --> 01:24:42,840
as I can for sure.

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01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,319
Speaker 1: For sure, Bro, thanks for coming on really quick. Last thing,

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01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:47,800
just leave us with leave us with a really quick

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01:24:48,119 --> 01:24:50,039
list as much as you can think of of the

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01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:55,479
different beings that are on the dark side encountering mankind.

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01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,680
Is it just demons? Is there names? There's levels, dimensions and.

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01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,600
Speaker 2: Call them moltors. I call them moults that are made

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01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:05,000
of the same substance but do not have the same status.

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Speaker 1: That's good.

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01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:09,640
Speaker 2: That's a little hook, right, that's a little hook because

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01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:11,359
I want to come back and do now.

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01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: No, we are we do it. Listen. I'm open. I

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01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:15,560
do this for a living bro, and I know you

1559
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,800
do too, So let's let's make it happen. Really resonated

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01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:20,319
with you, man, Thank you so much for coming on.

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01:25:20,399 --> 01:25:21,079
Man means the world.

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01:25:21,119 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 2: Thank you, God, bless you brother.

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01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:26,239
Speaker 1: You have a good night, you too, many blessings, ladies

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01:25:26,279 --> 01:25:32,239
and gentlemen. Make sure you go follow his page Nathaniel J. Gillis.

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01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:36,039
Make sure you do it. And actually I say make

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01:25:36,119 --> 01:25:38,520
sure you do it because you probably won't. Let's do

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01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,920
it together, can we do it together? I'm going to

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01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:46,159
try to share my screen and this is this is

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01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:48,720
my screen, and so let's just go to YouTube right now.

1570
01:25:49,039 --> 01:25:51,199
He just started a YouTube channel. And those of you

1571
01:25:51,279 --> 01:25:54,560
who are listening on the podcasting apps, if you're driving,

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01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:58,600
I just ask you to pull over and let's go

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01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,039
subscribe to his channel right now as an act of

1574
01:26:01,119 --> 01:26:03,119
faith and support and just a way of saying thank

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01:26:03,159 --> 01:26:06,239
you for coming on and sharing that information. So let's

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01:26:06,279 --> 01:26:12,680
go to YouTube Nathaniel Jay Gillius. Everyone type that in

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01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:14,560
did you type it in? Awesome? Dre he is, there's

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01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:18,600
this beautiful face. Six hundred and five subscribers. Let's let's

1579
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:21,439
let him know that we appreciate him. Let's subscribe and

1580
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,319
show him some love. And I hope to refresh this

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01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:26,159
here in a little while and we see that number

1582
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:28,439
go up just because of the people who are already

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01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:31,199
on YouTube and the people who are already listening to this.

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And by the end of the week, that number is

1585
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:35,680
going to go up. I'm going to repost this channel.

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01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:39,479
I'm going to repost his page and listen. Like attracts

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01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,920
like guys. And there's a reason for that, right And

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01:26:43,079 --> 01:26:47,640
I really resonated with him on a level vibrationally right

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01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:49,439
as far as what he's been through and what he's

1590
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,000
bringing to the table, and it was amazing. I love

1591
01:26:52,079 --> 01:26:53,880
it so and I know that you guys would love it.

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01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:55,720
You guys are sticking around for something, so I know

1593
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:59,119
that you felt the same way. Show him some love, subscribe,

1594
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:04,000
like videos, bias, book, all that cool stuff again, like

1595
01:27:04,119 --> 01:27:07,000
attracts like I, me and him. There's a there's a

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01:27:07,119 --> 01:27:14,960
level of vibration, vibrational frequency that wants I'm sorry, I'm

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01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:21,680
trying to make this. It wants balance, vibrational frequencies want balance.

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We want to meet, We want to find other versions

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01:27:25,279 --> 01:27:27,560
of ourselves. I mean, that's the whole deal with the narcissist.

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Where it can it? Can it come back to bite you?

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Speaker 2: Is you?

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01:27:30,199 --> 01:27:32,600
Speaker 1: You? You only want to hang around people that look

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01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:37,479
like you. You get enamored with your own beauty and

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01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,760
it can and there so there are some sides to

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01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,479
this that can that can be used for darkness quick

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01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:49,239
but being able to resonate with somebody, It's about resonance.

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01:27:49,319 --> 01:27:51,359
We we discussed this the other day and it was

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01:27:51,399 --> 01:27:54,239
another fresh revelation for me, which when we were talking

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about the different UH levels that that people may have,

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whether it's morally like, we may connect on a moral level,

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but we don't connect on a spiritual level. We may

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01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,359
connect on a spiritual level, but your moral standards are

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01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:08,760
way too low. You're using it for nefarious gains. Right,

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01:28:09,159 --> 01:28:12,159
So things are about balance, and when you find somebody

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01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:16,359
that you resonate with, you try to find balance. And

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the reason I bring it up because I thought that

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the way spirit works in a way balance works and

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having uneven scales. The Bible says do not have uneven scales,

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and it goes into a lot of detail about that.

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So these these uneven scales is about finding balance and

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01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:38,159
finding resonance in the vibrational frequency and like attracting. Like

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01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,880
for us man, he likes the things I like. We

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01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,199
can talk, we can listen. There's things I could talk

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01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:46,279
to him about that I couldn't talk about last the

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last podcast and the next podcast that's gonna be same thing.

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01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:53,159
But I'm gonna find resonance with those people. I'm gonna

1627
01:28:53,159 --> 01:28:56,520
find something that oh wow, but you do like this, Okay, boom,

1628
01:28:57,199 --> 01:29:00,079
let's go let's go down this path of spiritualisten and

1629
01:29:00,159 --> 01:29:03,560
let's go down this path of UFO abduction. Let's go

1630
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:06,039
down the path of fasting and the power thereof right.

1631
01:29:06,159 --> 01:29:08,479
So there's a lot of different subjects that we find

1632
01:29:09,199 --> 01:29:12,640
we find resonance with and what the Bible talks about

1633
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:16,960
that Paul gives you a nugget when he says when

1634
01:29:17,039 --> 01:29:22,760
he says that you become all things to all men

1635
01:29:24,159 --> 01:29:26,680
so that you can win some you're finding resonance with

1636
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:30,239
that person. You're finding common ground. I remember on the

1637
01:29:30,359 --> 01:29:33,039
job site years ago, the only thing that I could

1638
01:29:33,079 --> 01:29:37,000
talk about with people was the football game. And I

1639
01:29:37,079 --> 01:29:39,159
didn't even like watch football. I did when I was

1640
01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:41,399
a kid, But I'd look at the scores and see

1641
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:43,359
somebody who won, and I would go. We'd get at

1642
01:29:43,399 --> 01:29:45,600
work and hey, man, how about them cowboys? Oh man,

1643
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:47,279
they had a good game. You know, you got to

1644
01:29:47,359 --> 01:29:51,119
find common ground with individuals. And that's really what it's about,

1645
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:57,840
finding common ground with people and not just finding resonance

1646
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:02,000
with people. That's how you we heard the term your

1647
01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:10,520
vibe attracts your tribe literally people, Well, we don't fight

1648
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:14,359
with flesh and blood. This is a battle and a

1649
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:18,279
journey of powers and principalities in the realms of the spirit.

1650
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,920
We're not people, We're not these flesh shoots. We are

1651
01:30:23,399 --> 01:30:27,399
spirits that have a body. We are those spirits that

1652
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:31,319
now possess a body. And so when it comes to

1653
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,520
vibration and resonance, we look for like, attracts like, and

1654
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:36,880
we pull people up to our level. We don't want

1655
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:40,760
to be imbalanced. The Bible says, do not be unequally

1656
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:46,399
yoked with an unbeliever. A yoke is a It was

1657
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:51,239
a contraption that is used to have two oxen walking

1658
01:30:51,399 --> 01:30:55,119
together in line, and they have to walk at the

1659
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,199
same speed and in the same direction. You point them

1660
01:30:58,239 --> 01:31:00,640
in the same direction, and they're yoked together, and they're

1661
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,640
going to go in that direction. Do not be unequally

1662
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:08,920
yoked with people with spirits. Make sure that we have

1663
01:31:09,039 --> 01:31:11,039
the end goal in mind, because if we're walking on

1664
01:31:11,159 --> 01:31:13,800
this path, if you deviate a little bit, you're gonna

1665
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:15,640
end up in a place you weren't ready to go

1666
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,680
because you're unequally yoked with the spirits or with the person.

1667
01:31:21,079 --> 01:31:25,000
And so make sure you're not unequally yoked. And that's wisdom,

1668
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:30,359
because it is about resonance finding balance. If you become imbalanced,

1669
01:31:30,399 --> 01:31:34,279
if you become unbalanced, then two things have to happen.

1670
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:38,119
You step up to that person's level vibrationally, or you

1671
01:31:38,239 --> 01:31:39,960
have to step down and go to where they are.

1672
01:31:40,159 --> 01:31:44,840
Thank God for Jesus, because he is the story of

1673
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:48,279
God stepping down to our level and speaking to us.

1674
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:51,560
God said, you know what I'm gonna You know there's

1675
01:31:52,199 --> 01:31:55,079
I gave him a chance. They messed up. They didn't

1676
01:31:55,159 --> 01:31:57,319
understand what I was saying. Let me go down there

1677
01:31:57,640 --> 01:31:59,760
and become one of them. Let me step down into

1678
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,279
the darkness and become one of them, so that I

1679
01:32:02,359 --> 01:32:05,399
can bring them up and raise them like I have raised,

1680
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:08,920
like I'm going to raise Christ like I've I've already

1681
01:32:09,079 --> 01:32:12,520
raised Christ from the found before the foundations of the earth,

1682
01:32:13,119 --> 01:32:15,760
his story that is written of in the stars. This

1683
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,199
is going to become their story. Let me step down

1684
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:22,520
so I can bring them up to my level, so

1685
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:25,840
they can ascend, so that they can be righteous, so

1686
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:30,560
that they can alchemize their darkness, so that they can

1687
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:36,159
be houses for the great Spirit, not lesser spirits, not

1688
01:32:36,399 --> 01:32:40,119
fallen spirits, not deceptive spirits, but for the Spirit of God.

1689
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,520
Know ye not that you are the temple of God,

1690
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:47,560
and the Spirit of God resides within you. You are

1691
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:53,479
a home. You are a house for spirits, and that

1692
01:32:54,079 --> 01:32:58,479
house has to be filled with the Holy Spirit, and

1693
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:01,479
not the spirit of anger, not the spirit of rage,

1694
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:04,800
not the spirit of manipulation, not the spirit of witchcraft,

1695
01:33:05,159 --> 01:33:10,239
but the Holy, beautiful, sacred set apart spirit. Open up

1696
01:33:10,279 --> 01:33:12,800
more of yourself, open up more of your heart to

1697
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:16,159
let that spirit come in and possess you. The Holy

1698
01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:19,319
Spirit wants to possess you. It is about resonance. So

1699
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:21,720
we thank God that we are able to step up

1700
01:33:22,279 --> 01:33:24,000
to his level. He showed us how to do it

1701
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:30,439
by following his example showing love and moving from animal

1702
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:33,680
to divine nature. We have both natures within us. But

1703
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,319
this is a test this place as a school, to ascend,

1704
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:39,680
to take it to that next level, going back to resonance,

1705
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,600
to be able to step up because and maintain balance.

1706
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:47,399
The narrow path is about balance. It's not veering too

1707
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:48,880
far to the right or to the left. It's in

1708
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,399
the middle. It's not up and down. It's not left

1709
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:55,880
to right. It is maintaining. Now we journey both sides.

1710
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:58,840
We journey left and right, we go up and down.

1711
01:33:59,159 --> 01:34:02,279
There's yin and yane. That's duality, and that's part of

1712
01:34:02,319 --> 01:34:06,880
this game. But it's about maintaining resonance in the middle balance.

1713
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:13,840
So again, spirits, we're spirits. We talked about falling spirits,

1714
01:34:14,039 --> 01:34:21,760
demonic spirits, possessive spirits, angry spirits, right essences, ideas right,

1715
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:24,359
so we can if you look at them as living entities,

1716
01:34:24,399 --> 01:34:26,760
if you look at them of just ideas or the

1717
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:29,600
thought life of a person in the way that they think.

1718
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:33,000
If you want to make it less spiritual, because it

1719
01:34:33,119 --> 01:34:37,680
is psychological, for sure, they're tied together. It's there's several level.

1720
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:42,239
There's four levels of this. It is literal, we read

1721
01:34:42,279 --> 01:34:45,680
it literally, but it is allegorical, it is spiritual, and

1722
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:52,000
it is metaphysical, and it is astrological as well. It's

1723
01:34:52,079 --> 01:34:55,039
going on in all of these places. And the key

1724
01:34:55,279 --> 01:35:01,840
is to bring about harmony, balance, to be at peace

1725
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:09,319
with God, to be content that's to be balanced, because

1726
01:35:09,399 --> 01:35:17,439
godliness with contentment is great gain. Find peace with yourself.

1727
01:35:18,279 --> 01:35:20,119
In order to do that, you got to find peace

1728
01:35:20,199 --> 01:35:23,199
with God. And finding peace with God. On that journey,

1729
01:35:23,199 --> 01:35:25,560
you're going to find peace with your enemies. You're going

1730
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:27,680
to find peace with all the spirits around you. You

1731
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:29,600
may even salute them, Hey, I see what you're doing,

1732
01:35:30,079 --> 01:35:33,359
but not me. Not my family, you'll be at peace,

1733
01:35:33,399 --> 01:35:36,920
you won't be at war with yourself. And so many

1734
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,239
people who are at war, so many Christians, so many

1735
01:35:39,279 --> 01:35:41,159
believers who are at war. Then we look at the Muslims,

1736
01:35:41,159 --> 01:35:43,880
of some Jewish people or Hindu people who are at

1737
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:47,479
perfect peace with themselves and with their families, with all

1738
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:52,119
the beings and animals. They're at peace. They found peace,

1739
01:35:52,199 --> 01:35:57,279
they found resonance with those beings. It is part of

1740
01:35:57,319 --> 01:36:00,319
the sovereignty plan, is part of the ecosystem of in

1741
01:36:00,399 --> 01:36:04,920
the way things work. We're in and out of that daily.

1742
01:36:05,159 --> 01:36:07,640
It's inside of us, it's on us, it's above us,

1743
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:12,560
it's below us. Everything is mirrored, it is written, it

1744
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:17,039
is living, it is vibration, it is the sound of heaven.

1745
01:36:18,359 --> 01:36:22,399
So those spirits want you to come down to their level.

1746
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:27,560
They don't want to upgrade. They don't want to forgive.

1747
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:30,720
They don't want to forget. They don't want to You know,

1748
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:33,399
I got friends who try to turn bad spirits into

1749
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:35,560
good spirits and stuff like that and try to show

1750
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:40,279
them their true identity and stuff like No, that's what

1751
01:36:40,359 --> 01:36:43,479
they were created to do. And they want you on

1752
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:48,079
their level. They want to bring you down. And if

1753
01:36:48,159 --> 01:36:52,680
those beings are real, if those ideas are real. Chris Garner,

1754
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:55,159
I see you, I see your I see your your comment,

1755
01:36:55,840 --> 01:37:01,359
and I'm with you one a thousand percent. It's metaphysical,

1756
01:37:02,039 --> 01:37:07,039
it is spiritual, but it is going on in Gallgatha,

1757
01:37:07,359 --> 01:37:11,920
the place of the skull, and internally we see the

1758
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,399
throne of Heaven is a place where God dwells outside

1759
01:37:14,399 --> 01:37:16,439
of us. But Scripture says that God dwells in our

1760
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:18,760
hearts and he's within us. So it's a mirror. It's

1761
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:23,039
as above, so below, as within, so without. There's many

1762
01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:25,520
ways to break it down. So yeah, it can be

1763
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:28,600
broke down in the terms of psychology and unlocked. So

1764
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:31,800
much that you've come into agreement with these spirits, you've

1765
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:35,359
given them legal ground. Okay, if you don't agree with

1766
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:40,680
the spirits, it's an idea. And once you learn truth,

1767
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:45,159
once you learn the truth about yourself, about God, about

1768
01:37:45,159 --> 01:37:50,920
how much you're loved, about who you are, those demons

1769
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:53,119
are cast out out of your mind. They have no

1770
01:37:53,239 --> 01:37:57,199
more legal ground to be there. If you think, if

1771
01:37:57,239 --> 01:38:00,640
you think you don't deserve love, you think you don't

1772
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:02,520
deserve money. Let's go with money. I know a lot

1773
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:04,399
of people who think they don't deserve it. I come

1774
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:07,199
from a poor family. I thought that rich people were snobby.

1775
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,119
There was a lot of stuff that I that I

1776
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:13,680
associated with money that was ungodly. It wasn't real. Guess

1777
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:16,439
where it was real at? It was real only in here.

1778
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:18,680
It was my reality. It was the way that I

1779
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:21,319
viewed world, the world. It was the light that was

1780
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:23,560
that was within me. Because light has to come in

1781
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:26,039
through your eyes and it also comes out of your eyes.

1782
01:38:26,279 --> 01:38:28,399
And that light that is within you in that error,

1783
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:31,920
in that area, which is illumination, allows me to see

1784
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:37,079
into into to make an assessment and to put a

1785
01:38:37,239 --> 01:38:39,520
name on it and declare it. Put it in a

1786
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:44,199
folder rich people or snobs. Hey, so and so I

1787
01:38:44,279 --> 01:38:48,600
owned this company. Okay, cool, Hey I'm pastor so and so. Man,

1788
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:51,279
I want you to come to youth. Okay, Christians, are

1789
01:38:51,399 --> 01:38:56,359
this Okay? Is that truth? It's my truth at that

1790
01:38:56,520 --> 01:39:00,680
moment until I'm illuminated, until light comes in and that

1791
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:05,479
ungodly belief, that demon that is robbing me from making

1792
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:08,760
new connections, from beautiful friendships for people who want to

1793
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:11,239
help me out financially, people who want to partner with

1794
01:39:11,359 --> 01:39:14,159
me and donate. Now, keep your money man by needs

1795
01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:18,439
your money. Hold on, Like these people are like just

1796
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:20,600
good people. They want to help. It's their normal, Like

1797
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:23,359
their plumb line is money. They come from that family.

1798
01:39:23,399 --> 01:39:25,800
But it's something within me that has to come. It

1799
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:27,800
has to get out of me in order me to

1800
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:29,800
go to the next level. You got to deal with

1801
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:32,399
your demons, and dealing with your demons is dealing with

1802
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:35,840
your thought life because you have made legal contract for

1803
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:39,479
those thoughts to take resonance in your mind. So this

1804
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:44,600
conversation is totally interchangeable. It is psychological, it is spiritual,

1805
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:49,279
it is astrological, it's all of it. It is going

1806
01:39:49,359 --> 01:39:56,920
on internally. It's on atomical, Richie, did I say that right? Atomical?

1807
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:00,479
You're anatomy? Is that the the realm?

1808
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 2: Anatomical?

1809
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:05,600
Speaker 1: Anatomical? Look, that's what the riches. You don't know even here. Listen,

1810
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:09,560
it is all of those things. There are different realms

1811
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:11,680
and we got to master each one, and we journey

1812
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:13,880
through each one to get revelational on how to defeat

1813
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:20,479
the other. So some people, especially Christians, can only only

1814
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:23,039
deal with the thought life and deal with those those

1815
01:40:23,119 --> 01:40:26,439
demons unless they give them a name. They got to

1816
01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:29,640
give them a name. Because it makes it real because

1817
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:33,119
we've given everything else a name. We've created a folder

1818
01:40:33,239 --> 01:40:36,560
that has a name on it. Rich people are this,

1819
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:41,880
White people are racist. Black people want to fight me.

1820
01:40:43,079 --> 01:40:51,520
Poor people are this. The light is fire and all

1821
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:55,960
of that, all of those fake phony, they're not. None

1822
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:59,479
of that's real. You have to bring that to the light,

1823
01:41:00,399 --> 01:41:04,560
live in the light, and let God destroy it and

1824
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:08,560
purify it. Because we do not see things as they are.

1825
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:15,520
We see things as we are. Allow your mind to

1826
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:20,199
be retaught. Listen, guys, that's what repentance means, is to

1827
01:41:20,279 --> 01:41:23,000
have a change of mind. Listen. I was man, I

1828
01:41:23,079 --> 01:41:25,479
thought it was this, but it's really that. I thought

1829
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:27,920
religion was this. I thought God was that. I thought

1830
01:41:28,239 --> 01:41:30,119
so and so was this. I thought the pastor was

1831
01:41:30,159 --> 01:41:33,000
a good guy. Wow, he's really this. Right to be

1832
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:38,439
re taught and reformed, not for the lower nature, not

1833
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:42,199
for the negative, not to the woe is me, but

1834
01:41:42,359 --> 01:41:48,840
to prophesy, to see the good in people, to see

1835
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:54,359
the light in people, not to see them. According to Well,

1836
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:56,680
I went to an all black school and we got

1837
01:41:56,720 --> 01:42:00,560
beat up by black people. Like every day we had

1838
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:03,000
to fight black people. They would hold the doors closed

1839
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:05,279
and let us out of the rooms. They would, you know,

1840
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:07,239
fight me and all my white friends. Listen, we were like,

1841
01:42:07,279 --> 01:42:10,479
the only white people I have a relationship is that

1842
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:11,319
all black people?

1843
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:11,800
Speaker 2: Heck?

1844
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:15,760
Speaker 1: No same thing. Then I didn't learn that until I

1845
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:17,439
dealt with white people who wanted to fight me too.

1846
01:42:18,279 --> 01:42:19,960
All the rednecks wanted to fight me. So now I

1847
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,640
gotta fight the rednecks and the blacks.

1848
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:22,439
Speaker 2: Like who am I with?

1849
01:42:23,039 --> 01:42:26,800
Speaker 1: Like you know, and so you deal with all men

1850
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:32,920
equally according to their deeds. Don't judge anything or anyone

1851
01:42:33,159 --> 01:42:36,680
before it's a point in time. Deal with all people righteously.

1852
01:42:37,079 --> 01:42:40,840
Judge their fruit. Judge their fruit, because all you gotta

1853
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:42,520
do is hang around it long enough and you'll be

1854
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:45,000
able to partake, and you'll say, you know what, I

1855
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want more of this in my life. I want more

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of this sustenance. I want more of this fruit. What

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is the fruit?

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Speaker 2: Love?

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Speaker 1: Kindness, patience first? Just other people. And I used to

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be that friend back in the day. Like, why every

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time I hang around you you want to go get drugs?

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Why every time I hang around you you want to drink?

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Why every time I hang around you you want to

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gossip and talk about people? Y'all? Know those people in

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your life, you have them. You may be that person

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to some degree. Why you always want to be deep

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and talk about spiritual stuff. Why you just can't be

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a regular person and take a walk. You know. It's

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the folders and stuff that we put people in and

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we judge them and we categorize them, and they become

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that in our realm, that's not who they are we projected.

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Prophesying is being able to see the good in them,

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to be able to see the best, and to call

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that out and to name them that something that they're

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not yet to be able to see that light that

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is within them. Everyone has it, and that light may

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be just a little spark. Some people, it's a wildfire.

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They caught the right wind, the right person walked by them,

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Jesus or Paul or Peter or somebody like that was

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in their path in their life, and blue upon that

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01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:58,720
divine spark, and now they're on fire and their life

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01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:01,960
has been changed. Listen, meet twenty years ago. You know,

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over twenty years ago, I was just in the right

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place at the right time, and somebody saw potential in me.

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Somebody spoke to that flame within me, and it turned

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into a wildfire twenty years ago, and I've never been

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the same since we have that ability, we have that

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power to speak to the things that are not as

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though they were. And yeah, it is spiritual, but make

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it normal, don't make it weird.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: Let it evolve out of regular conversation with people. And

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that's just who you are. You're an encourager, You're an uplifter.

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You help people. People can open up to you and

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share their problems and you won't go gossip about them.

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You want more light. Do those things what you read

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in the Bible, and you read the story in life

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of Jesus what he did, Do it and you will

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become light. It is spiritual. You're literally eating light in

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your body. It is in philosophical, it is in your mind.

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Because yes, the stinking thinking is making its way out,

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and you have new thoughts about rich people, you have

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01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:14,439
new thoughts about black people, new thoughts about this, about that.

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It's not into it until that changes. You have to

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give your brain a bath. Win every day. Do it

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every day, every day if you got any because these

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starts are hurting you. They're not even hurting that person.

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That person don't even know that you're you think that

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way unless you tell them, unless you throw shade at

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them when they're around, or comment on their Facebook anytime

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they post something witty like check yourself, examine yourself to

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make sure that you are in good faith. So I

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hope that helps you. Guys. I really enjoy this episode.

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This stuff is really deep, It is really spiritual. It

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is allegorical. There are names to these things, there is

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They can person a, it can personify itself as physical

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entities in this realm, for sure. You know which is wizards, necromancers.

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Those dudes are real like beings, you know, travel from

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other realms and show up in the physical for sure,

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that totally happens. But they have to come pass through

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the spiritual portal first. What they are, they what they do,

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their tributes, and it gets really deep, and we are

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dedicated to exploring that I've given my life to this.

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If you read my bio, if you read my book,

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I let it be known that I've given my life

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to the study of the spirit world. And in my

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studies it has led me to see that it is

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not just spirit. The word spirit or spiritual in the

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Bible is ethereal. It is the etheric realm it is

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beings that exist in those realms, and we exist in

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those realms too, we just don't know it. We're seated

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with Christ Jesus in heavenly places right now in the heavens,

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in the stars. Maybe maybe maybe we have a star

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that is governing, that is guiding. I ain't gonna I

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ain't gonna listen. I'm dropping too much. We're gonna break

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this stuff down in the upcoming weeks. With that being said,

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thank you guys for hanging out again. Make sure you

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check out my Patreon and all the cool stuff I'm

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bringing there. If you want to support what I'm doing,

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that's the best way to support. You can donate to

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the ministry, you can share, you can do all those things.

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Everything helps, every little bit helps. And so I'm making

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my meditations free. So for those of you who have

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not heard the Throne Room Meditation, if you have not

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heard the Encountering Jesus, or there's so many the Heavenly Father,

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Earthly Mother Encounter which there's voice actors and there's sounds

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and experiences and all of that, make sure you go

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check that out. And I'm making it free. And it

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does cause money to make like I had to hire

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voice actors, I had to hire sound people to do

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sound effects and all of those kind of things. And

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I want to continue to do it. I have so

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many ideas in the way that I'm able to continue

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to do that and to make it free is when

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people give and donating things, just like my friend Renee,

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when you heard that ding she just donated through super Chat.

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Thank you Renee for believing in the work. And so

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those the little helps the many. The people who step

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out in to help, even if it's you know, on

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a monthly basis of five dollars or whatever you can

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do a month, it really helps. And I'm gonna I'm

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gonna try to start. There's a lot of things behind

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paywalls and people people do help and people do support,

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and so I want to be able to keep doing

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it to better take it to the next level, so

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much more. In mind that you guys don't even know.

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I'm excited about it, but I'm gonna make those free.

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You can go to truthseeker dot com and click on

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meditations and check those out. I've been promoting them. It

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has been a source of income for me for you

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years now, and so me stepping away from that and

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making it free. I am going to be relying on

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on on donations. And but for those of you who

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don't who aren't able to give, listen, download it as

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as much as you want, tell everybody about it, and

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and uh yeah, but uh support share this If you

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can't donate, share this video out With that, I'm gonna

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say peace and shalom, will do it again very soon.

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Piece peace Joe, so much, so much, so much.

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Speaker 2: So much.

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Speaker 1: Well, that does it for this episode. Folks.

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Speaker 2: To hear more episodes of The Truth Seca podcast, head

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