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Speaker 6: So we got Christo.
Speaker 1: Hello j Douglass, what's.
Speaker 6: On your mown? What do you think that PPC is false? Well,
there's a lot of reasons. But you could look at
the contradictions between pre and post Vatican two teaching, or
the comparison of Vatican One, what it claims for the
papacy and what Francis is doing. Francis is I think
a manifest heretic and an apostates. So that doesn't that
doesn't jibe with Vatican one's claims about the papscy what'd
you say?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 6: What if is someone as athetic?
Speaker 9: Does not?
Speaker 6: Except Vatican two as a VP student athetic or a
set of a contest, a set of a context. Sorry, well,
the problem with set of a comptism is that even
if you to go that route, you're denying again multiple dogmas.
Particularly Vatican one says that there will be living successors
until the end of time. All right, damn are you
are you a Roman Catholic? Yes? Are you a set
of a contest? No? No, I'm Roman Catholic too, you said,
but what about a set of a contests? So I
thought maybe you were No, no, like just asking. I see.
So you think Muslims and Christians worship the same gud,
isn't like?
Speaker 10: According to nashroal theology say that?
Speaker 6: Well, whether it's recording the natural theology or not, is
it true?
Speaker 1: Like it is that?
Speaker 6: That's what Paul say an Act seventeen. So if that's
the case, then you think Basil thought Unomius leading the
same God as the Catholics.
Speaker 10: I mean, I mean like under like, isn't multiple true?
Speaker 1: Father believe in natricology?
Speaker 6: Well, define natural theology because I don't know what you
think it means. So if if it means that we
all worship the same God, then does a Satanist worship
the same God? If they believe in one God?
Speaker 10: Satan Satanists are agnostic.
Speaker 6: No, a theistic Satanist. A theistic Satanist believes in one God.
That namely is it's it's Satan. Satanists believe in God.
Theistic Satanist. Theistic Satanists believe in Satan as a real.
Speaker 10: Entity if they think that he's a creator.
Speaker 6: I think that yeah, right, So that's the absurdity, right,
that's the absurdity of natural theology. So if if you so,
you can believe in Satan, but we all believe in
one God, you know what the quantifier shift fallacy is? No,
not really. So the reason that natural theology is false
is that the fact that everybody believe in one God
is like, it doesn't follow from that that it's the
same God in the same way that we all have
one mother, therefore we all come from the same mother.
That's a fallacy.
Speaker 10: Interesting, So, like, what is your interpretation to seventeen?
Speaker 6: Then I think Paul is saying that they don't know God.
So the one that they don't know is the true God.
I mean he calls him the unknown God. Therefore the
one that you do not know him. I proclaim to you.
What's about romans too? What about romans too? Like the
saying like those who without the law, like they do
not know.
Speaker 11: God right m h without like without having beta. Okay,
they have the law in their hearts.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but that doesn't that doesn't mean you're saved and
other That doesnt mean you're saved in other religions. It
just means that God is going to have a different
standard for how he judges people of judgment.
Speaker 10: I don't think we believe that they are saved in
any way.
Speaker 6: No Vatican, no Vatican doo says that you can be
saved in those religions.
Speaker 10: No, like categy is made four six. It's truly say
there is no salvation outside the Christ.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's saying that you can be saved in
those religions, that Jesus uses those religions as means of salvation.
That's what Knows Tate says.
Speaker 11: I mean like if someone if someone ignorant, like never
catch a Bible in his life, right, last thing he's
in Alaska.
Speaker 10: Do you think he will go to Hell?
Speaker 6: It doesn't matter if within Roman Catholicism. It's a contradiction
to previous Roman Catholic teaching. Roman Calolic teaching at Cantate
Domino the Council of Florence says that even if you're
martyred outside of communion with the papacy, you go to Hell.
So that contradicts Vatican two is teaching that you can
be saved even if it's by Jesus in false religions.
Speaker 11: Wait, last thing he said, like, even if you're a
martyr outside the papacy, you're not safe.
Speaker 6: That's what Cantate Domino says from the Council of Florence
the dogmatity teaching the Roman Catholic Council Florence.
Speaker 11: But it isn't like sorry, it isn't like that. I
mean outside the what the church teaching like what saf.
Speaker 6: Right, it's saying that even if you die for the
name of Christ outside of communion with the Roman Church,
you can't be saved. That's the teaching of Cantate Domino
at the Council of Warrens. So so by that would
obviously mean that you couldn't be saved in a false religion. Okay,
that's interesting, that's really interesting. Well, another way to look
at this too is do you think Mormons believe in
the same God as we do, as you do?
Speaker 10: If they believe it's a creator, why not?
Speaker 6: Well I'm just no. I'm making the point that they
believe in Jesus, they believe in the Father, and they
believe in the Holy Spirit. But do you think it's
the same God as us. I mean, it's even it's
even closer in terms of the words than a Muslim, right,
I mean, I.
Speaker 10: Mean, like they believe in the Creator, That's what what
I mean.
Speaker 11: Like, they do not believe in the same as like
what the Revelation declared.
Speaker 6: You're missing the point. I'm saying that according to the
terminology that's used, Mormons are closer to us than Muslims
are because they believe in Father's Holy Spirit.
Speaker 10: Right yeah, But like there there are someone like Jehovah witness, right, you.
Speaker 6: Know, they're Tritheis. They think that God, the Father was
a man that had a body and then he became,
He became and he gets crucified. And so my point
is that my point is that it's not whether they
use the same terms as us, like monotheism or one God.
It's what the terms mean, that's the key.
Speaker 11: Yeah, so well there's no no way like to justify
that we believe it the same God.
Speaker 6: Well, you just by the by the very fact of
admitting that the I mean, if we admit that the
quanti of our shift fell see is a fallacy, then no,
they don't believe the same God because it's not the
same reference or meaning. It's just the same words.
Speaker 11: So so there's many there's many God. And yeah that's
what Paul say, there's many God. But to us there
is one God. Yeah, the Corinthians, I don't.
Speaker 6: Know, are you not listening to anything that you don't
hear anything that we just said?
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get your point. I'm going to
make a study. But I thought like we can justify
it on the A Metric album.
Speaker 1: Thank you think you think.
Speaker 6: Great questions?
Speaker 12: I appreciate that, all right.
Speaker 6: So if you look at Cantate Domino, as I said
from the Council of Florence, it reads the Romancalloch Church
firmly believes professors and proclaims that they that do not
live within the Catholic Church not only Pagans, but also Jews,
Inheritics and Chismatics cannot partake of eternal life, but will
depart into everlasting flames prepared for the Double and his angels,
unless by the end of their life they're added to
the flock and the unity of the ecclesiastical body. So
it's not just an invisible church. You have to be
joined to the visible Roman Catholic institution. It is so
strong that only those remaining in it. Only to those
remaining in it, are the sacraments of the church beneficial
for salvation, and do fasting, on giving, and other functions
of piety, and exercise the Christian service to produce the
eternal reward. And that no one, whatever alms he has given,
even if he shed his blood for the name of Christ.
So even if you're a martyr, can be saved unless
you remain in the Roman Catholic Church. So there is
no salvation outside the Roman Church. According to Cantat Domino,
that was very strict at that time, and as we
get up to the time of Attican two, this is
obviously qualified to now in a tat basically be all
religions are means of salvation. It's another word. You can
even be a Hindu. According to Tate, says that Hindus
seek God in love and refuge through the ascetic practices
of Hinduism. What's up?
Speaker 12: Clay?
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Clay go ahead? Are you there? Hey?
Speaker 13: Sorry?
Speaker 6: Sorry? What's up?
Speaker 14: So?
Speaker 6: What's your view on energy essence distinction?
Speaker 15: Do you hold any like thomistic like distinction with it,
like minor real or formal?
Speaker 6: Why would we use tomistic distinctions when it's a distinction
that comes out of the Caba doceans It's it's a
distinction that comes out of tranitarient theology a millennium before
aquinas it's used in the Six Council. Yeah.
Speaker 15: I mean there are like twentyth century scholars that would
use it like Fluorosky as well, that use some sort
of like minor real distinction.
Speaker 6: I was just being curious. I mean, Fluorofsky can have
that opinion, but I don't know why that's relevant to us.
Are you an Oriental No, I'm the Eastern.
Speaker 15: I'm under Carpe the russ So you know, unfortan under Bartholomew.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I think the main way to understand this, rather
than trying to utilize later scholastic terms is to think
about in terms of participation, because the whole debate, when
Palamas debates people on this, the debate shifts into what
we participate in, and so the scholastic distinctions aren't going
to be very helpful there because it has to be
in some way some kind of true distinction that allows
God's essence to be non participable but a real participation
in an uncreated reality that is God's glory. So God's
glory cannot be identical to his essence. So we basically
just have to eschew any kind of identity thesis.
Speaker 15: Oh okay, that's good. I know it's not just obviously conceptual.
It would be more of like an and it's both
real and it within.
Speaker 6: The mind, correct, Yeah, so it's prior to conception, meaning
that the reality of the distinction is not based on
what's perceived in the mind, but what's perceived in the
mind is based on the reality and the thing if
you read Bradshaw. Okay, yeah, all right, thank you so much. Yeah,
great question. I mean, I think once you understand the
question of participation and then you can apply the same
thing to the Eucharist, and what is the type of
presence and grace and the Eucharist. At that point it
becomes really clear that, well we know, for example, the
two Letters of Cyril to sixth Census, the Eucharist can't
be the essence of God. And I think pretty much
everybody agrees that, Well, then what is the nature of
the grace? What is that grace that's in the Eucharist?
If you don't have an essence iner distinction, there's not
a way really to account for it. In the dogmatic
Romancolic position according to Little God, is that it's a
created accident in the soul. So it's a creative thing
that is not identical, identical to God. And so if
you're really eating eating a partaking of God, then you're
a polytheist, if you're a Roman Catholic.
Speaker 13: Joseph, what's up, Jay?
Speaker 6: What's up?
Speaker 7: Bro?
Speaker 6: Mm hm?
Speaker 11: So I got a question about like because I don't
really excuse me if it's like a question that's kind.
Speaker 10: Of repetitive a lot, but like.
Speaker 1: Question of the.
Speaker 10: Saints, like found your scripture?
Speaker 6: Like your cutting out? You're cutting out? Can you repeat that? Okay?
Speaker 14: Can you hear me?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Is it good?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 16: Where is the intercession of the Saints, like inside a scripture.
Speaker 6: Like I just did a video I just did. I
just did a twenty minute video with a debate with
a guy covering this revelation chapters five through eight explicitly has.
Speaker 5: All of that.
Speaker 7: All right, thank you? Bro?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that video is I wish I could remember
the name of it. I'll try to find it and
repost it.
Speaker 1: You go.
Speaker 6: If you are watching over here on YouTube, you can
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I will be discussing deconstructing Christianity, the trend on TikTok,
and we'll be rebutting the more academic approaches. Hey, j
how's it going?
Speaker 10: Can hearny?
Speaker 6: All right? So I just want to ask a couple questions.
I just converted to Eastern Orthodoxy.
Speaker 17: I'm trying to understand the monarchical trinity and the Eastern Orthodox.
Speaker 6: Stance on evolution. I was wondering if you can answer
that PREMI real fast, Okay, what's the monarchical position? Their question?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So.
Speaker 6: I like, I'm I'm I'm fairly new to the church.
Speaker 17: So from what I know is is the Father the
source of like the Trinity?
Speaker 6: Yes, And I also wanted to ask what do you
call it?
Speaker 17: What books do you recommend for me to become like
more educated on the on the church.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say read Palmazansky's Orthodox Dogmatics. I would
read my Endorsed Byzantine Theology. There's also a section on
the monarchy of the Father in there. I would also
say go to over to bo Branson dot com and
doctor Branson under the media appearances section has a series
of lectures on the monarchy of the Father. Okay, gotcha,
thank you? Yeah, yeah, I just wanted to ask that,
thank you so much. And then what was the other question?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 17: Yeah, the other question was, I don't know if you're
familiar with inspired philosophy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we've done some streams together.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 17: So I believe his stance on evolution is he believes
in neo Darwinism.
Speaker 6: If you try to get your stance on that, right, Yeah,
I disagree with that. I think that the six Ecumenical
Council teaches that you have to accept that death as
a result of the fall. It didn't precede the fall,
so I think that would exclude it. I think Romans
eight teaches also that all death, decay, and corruption entered
as a result of Adam sin, and so that would
also preclude death before the fall. So those are the
two theological reasons. Also, Father Seif from Rose's book, I
think it's back in print now, which is a Genesis
creation early man is a good critique from the Orthodox perspective. Okay, gotcha,
Thank you so much, Man, have good questions. Thank you.
I was hoping one of the Roman Caelics is going
to come. I don't know if they're going to come
or not. Breek West Samurai, what's up, man?
Speaker 7: Hey Jay, how's it going.
Speaker 6: What's on your mind?
Speaker 18: I've got some questions in regards to add good toes
the papacy book that I jotted down, Uh huh, the
first one I've got. I was kind of confused in
regards to Pope Martin being able to remove three of
the seas.
Speaker 7: I think it was Antioch Alexandria, and maybe.
Speaker 6: Was it, so I'm not I have I have that
book at my other house. I don't have it on hand,
so I don't remember exactly what this is about.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 18: Actually, luckily I brought it with me to work today.
I texted my wife because I was in disbelief that
you went live on TikTok because I don't have Twitter.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 18: It was in regards to in six fifty four Martin
coming to Constantinople.
Speaker 1: Okay, So he all the bishops, one.
Speaker 18: Hundred and five in number, employed the same formula in
signing that concurrent in the condemnation as judges, as well
as the Bishop of Rome who had the first place.
Speaker 6: Are you talking about old are you talking about the
latter in council? Because this you're not talking about the
sixth segument of council right, because that's six eighty eighty one.
Speaker 1: No, it looks like six forty nine.
Speaker 6: Okay. So that would be a room that would be
a local Roman Catholic sina or a local papal center
any okay?
Speaker 18: And so how is it that he was able to
remove the other the three seeds? I'm actually looking for
him right now. So I want to be a vigulous here.
Speaker 6: I don't know what you mean by remove like he
might have said that, you mean like you pronounced them
as heterodox or what I don't remember the section of Geta.
Speaker 19: Day.
Speaker 1: That's okay, I don't want to.
Speaker 6: I mean no, it's I mean, it's a great question
because like what would happen oftentimes is that any patriarch
or bishop like that could say, uh, this guy's heterodox, right,
They could say, we reject Antioch, we reject Constantinople, et cetera,
their heterodox.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 18: Well, another question I had is it looks like Avato
said that Peter wasn't actually a bishop of Rome, that
Linus was the first and then an anthetus, and then
Clement being put into the episcopate by Peter. Is that
is that across the board? Do you all Orthodox believe that?
Speaker 6: Or is that just based on if I remember, like
I think that Peter being an apostle, right, doesn't necessarily
mean that he is the bishop of that see, because
Peter is also the founder of the church ultimately at
Alexandria and at Antioch. So there's three patrin seas, and
even Pope saying Regular the Great and his letters talks
about the three patrine seas. So Geta might be referring
to the fact that you can't say because you in
Orthodox theology or ecclesiology, for example. And I think even
in the ancient Canon's like a bishop can't be a
bishop of multiple places, like he's only a bishop in
one place. So Peter can't be a functioning bishop of
three different sees. And so that might be why he's
saying that he's the founder of those three seeds but
not the Bishop of Rome.
Speaker 15: Yeah, Gregory the Great decise here he said that he's
the that he had the three tetrime sees that he
references when he's writing to the Mission of Alexandria, I believe,
and he tells him that he had the same brightness
hand or the same authority as him, which was I
felt was pretty mind boggling.
Speaker 1: I actually found the quote here.
Speaker 18: It said that the quote Martin, by the grace of God,
Bishop of the Holy Catholic and Amoholic Church of the
City of Rome, I have signed as judge this sentence
in confirmation of the Orthodox Babe and also the condemnation
of Theodore formerly Bishop of Ferran of Cyprus, of Alexandria,
of Sergius of Constantinople, of Pirates and pull his successors
and of their heretical writings, and then later on it
says that the other bishops also.
Speaker 6: Signed with him. Yeah, so that's when so Maximus wanted
to get Martin to sign. And this is after I
think later in what yours? That is this six forty nine, yes, yeah,
so this is later in six forty nine. That was
the Pope's attempt to call an ecumenical council, and Saint
Maximus wanted Martin to condemn all of those people because
they were his opponents, they were supporting monothelitism. But that
doesn't mean that the papac here Vatican one position's true
because if you read on, if you read like Presemple
the Denny book in Roman Catholic theology, that's not considered
an ecumenical council. But it was the pope's first attempt
at having an ecumenical council, not called by the emperor.
And further proving that is, if that was an ecumenical council,
if that settled the issue, then there would have been
no need for the six Ecumenical Council, because the sixth
Council is called two, resolved that very issue. And if
and if Martin's decree was a Vatican one top down
decree no need for the sex secon medical Council. Okay,
all right.
Speaker 18: And so his condemnation of those bishops and that removed
them from the office. Is he able to do that
because of the Synod or his like unilateral power at
the first seat.
Speaker 6: Well, he might have thought he could do it unilaterally.
But the point is that it doesn't prove the Vatican
one position. In fact, it disproves it because no Roman
Catholic accepts latter in six forty nine as an ecumenical council.
But if Vatican one is true, it should be an
ecumenical council.
Speaker 7: Okay, awesome.
Speaker 18: And the last thing that I'll bother with today is
that some people have cited how there was one council.
Speaker 1: Forget me for not remembering that.
Speaker 18: They appeal to Clement's over John a living apostle, and
they'll say, oh, look they went, they went to the
vote over him.
Speaker 7: And I think I've heard somewhere that that was in
Corinth and that was under.
Speaker 1: The jurisdiction of Rome. Do you know anything about that? Uh?
Speaker 6: Yeah. The Sashetsky Boat, which just came out, has a
good chapter on that. And basically nobody takes the not
even Roman Catholics anymore utilized in the scholarly world, they
don't utilize the Clement examples as a proof of papal stuff,
because you'll notice that if Clement is proving the papacy
because he's just sort of autocratically settling issues one thousand
miles away, then you can't argue the Newman thesis of
development anymore. And by the way, if that was settling
things autocratically, why didn't every issue just get settled autocratically?
If that's an example of that, so it's not okay.
Speaker 18: And in regards to Pope Victor, when he attempts to
excommunicate a bunch of people, I have a note here
saying that Usepius State's Victor endeavored to cut off the
churches of all of Asia. But he endeavored because he
did not have the power otherwise the act to follow
the will, so that like he tried to and then Urinais.
Speaker 1: Thumped him up.
Speaker 6: Everybody rebuked him exactly.
Speaker 1: All right, awesome, Well, thank you so much for tiget.
Keep the ginger choose flowing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and a great one. Yeah, great questions. Yeah, I
wish I should apologize for not having the getae book
here with me. Remember, we'll be live here in an
hour and twenty minutes, hour and a half with Cotel
deconstructing Christianity. We'll be covering that. What's up man? Are
you there? Yeah, it's weird. I usually you don't get
high quality, high tier questions on here, codecs, polympionship to
unmute EARI there he dropped off Lutheran.
Speaker 20: Hello, m.
Speaker 21: I had a question about eed and divine simplicity. So
the Augsburg Confession, which is a Lutheran confession, states that
really it's only statement on divine simplicity is that God
is without parts.
Speaker 20: Is that compatible with the eedy or not?
Speaker 7: Really?
Speaker 6: No, I think Orthodox theology absolutely believes in divine simplicity,
and we would absolutely reject any notion of God having composition,
having a possibility having parts, et cetera.
Speaker 21: Okay, yeah, because it's something I've looked into and I've
been interested in, although I didn't know if it was
capable to fit with Lutheranism, which is a more Western tradition.
Speaker 6: Well, I think the tendency in Lutheran and Calvinistic theology
is to default to the Augustinian approaches to those questions.
And you know, Augustin has a really strict incompatible view
of absolute divine simplicity, or what eventually is called identity thesis,
which means that the attributes are identical amongst themselves and
with the essence in a strict reductionist way.
Speaker 22: All right, well, thank you, sir, I have a great
day you too, two five to two seven something.
Speaker 6: Roman Catholics, this is the time for you to come
to bate. Does anybody in your Roman Catholics actually want
to step up? Quit spamming the chat? Go ahead?
Speaker 20: Oh what, subj.
Speaker 6: I got a question.
Speaker 16: Actually, I want to hear your best argument against ptomism.
Speaker 6: I said. The best argument would be that Thomas's identification
of nature in person, Thomas's position on persona at relatio,
Thomas's position on procession abu troque essentially make the Trinity
unknowable and a meaningless doctrine.
Speaker 23: Okay, because you remember the video with Wagner that you had,
Because a lot of my Catholic friends were saying that
you will lose on Thomism, So I mean, like.
Speaker 6: I guess I will lose. Okay, and tell me why
any of the three things that I said I would
lose on.
Speaker 16: Well, the basic argument that they gave is that you
just ran.
Speaker 6: That's it. I was booted from the frame. How did
I run when I was booted? Exactly?
Speaker 24: Bro, I don't understand why they say that you ran,
but they say you ran, and that Wagner basically schooled you.
Speaker 16: So that's what Catholics think of Some Catholics think of
you right now.
Speaker 6: So well, they're welcome to coming to day right now.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I said, wait a minute, can I will send
this to them?
Speaker 6: Actually commitment? Uh, where's there?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean he allowed me on for five minutes
and said that the Cappadocians were scholastics and booted me.
So I mean, if they think that's a win, I mean,
I mean, if that's what you think of win is
And by the way, they didn't even let they didn't
even get into the actual literature on relations of opposition,
which is what I wanted to talk about. So yeah,
that's true. But yeap, thank you for answering, Bro, God
bless you. Yeah. Yeah, I gave the the actual article
actually won by Kongar on relations of opposition and the
problems in that position, and they gave him the Lawsky
article on relations of opposition, which is a well known problem,
and to my knowledge, neither he nor Pints Up I've
actually read it. They never got back to me on it,
so to me, that tells me they weren't really interested
in having an actual discussion on it. What's up, Supreme? Wait,
hold on, bro.
Speaker 20: Hold on?
Speaker 6: But hello, Yeah, I was wondering, what's your favorite ditty party?
The one with the baby oil.
Speaker 13: Matt type ship that was really funny. Move Barrick, Yeah,
good day, So.
Speaker 6: Good day to you.
Speaker 25: Okay, My question is about, in yourself and your research,
which church do you think is.
Speaker 6: The true Church of Christ? The Orthodox Church, alter dis Church?
Speaker 26: Why?
Speaker 6: Because it teaches the same thing that the Church of
the first thousand years taught? H Why kissing the cross,
why praying to the sand? Why all those decorations and
order to Because because of the because of the Jewish
liturgy that the apostles derived the Church's liturgy from. No,
I didn't get that, sorry, because of the Jewish Temple
Synagogue liturgy from which the apostles derived the Church's liturgy. Okay, okay,
they took the same setting to the church. Yeah, maybe
I didn't get you all. I'm sorry. Man, I can't
understand what you're saying.
Speaker 14: What's up, Jimmy? Can I ask you a couple of questions.
Speaker 27: First of all, the did the Cappadocian fathers teach the philoquy?
Because some Catholics claim they do. What what writings should
I read from them? From them to prove the monarchy
of the father.
Speaker 6: Just go listen to the interviews that I did with
doctor bo Branson about what are the Cappadocians taught the Phillioquay? Okay.
Speaker 27: And the next question is what is your best argument
against the papacy.
Speaker 6: I think there's a bunch of them that are kind
of all equally powerful in force. I mean when I'm
Sigem says you have to believe in the temporal supremacy
of the Roman bishop to be saved Vatican to post Vatican,
to Catholicism via dignitatis humani, accepting liberty of freed, worship,
freedom of conscience no longer teaches that. That's one easy,
clear contradiction right there.
Speaker 14: Okay, Yeah, thank you. Can you keep up the good
work and good bless you?
Speaker 6: Thank you, man, I appreciate it. Good questions so much.
Usually TikTok's away crazier. This is a very this is
a very chill vibe going on, Jay, what's on your mind? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So, Like.
Speaker 5: I'm an ethnically Jewish Eastern Orthodox catechumen and I don't
believe the Jews are chosen.
Speaker 28: I don't believe in all that crap.
Speaker 18: But would you say that the Rabbinical Jews worship the
same God as Christianity?
Speaker 6: Ultimately? No, I mean they might in one sense because
they do acknowledge the Father have more of a claim
to it than say Muslim because Muslims explicitly reject God
all as Father. But I mean Jesus is very clear
in John five to nine that ultimately know. Yeah, I
have one more question. What do you think about like
Young Earth? Creation is im?
Speaker 28: I know Father Surfing Rose he believes in it.
Speaker 6: I do too, to be honest, I'm believe in evolution.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I've been a promoter of his book justis Creation Early
Man for a long time?
Speaker 20: Right?
Speaker 6: Great, Yeah, that's what I want to ask. Thank you
good questions. Appreciate it. Uh leo. God, just want to
support the stream you can do so via the super chats.
Right there, we got a nice chill Vibe today with
our guests. What's up man? So, I guess that chill
Vibe is gonna be going away pretty quick right here.
So Orthodox, what's up?
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 6: Jake god Blass? Hey, Hey, how you doing.
Speaker 29: I just have I guess I have two questions. One
question is, so when I bring up that we you know,
we count the persons by identity and God by division,
objection that comes up from like, I guess, like a
you know, philosophically inclined like atheists here on TikTok would
be like, what's the modality of which we know which
concepts are like inseparable or not?
Speaker 20: And I don't really know how to answer that.
Speaker 6: I mean, well, that's what I don't understand how that's
relevant to the different ways of counting modality of conceptions.
I don't what does that mean?
Speaker 29: Like, I mean, I'm not too philosophically inclined myself.
Speaker 20: But he would say, like, how do we know what
is inseparable and what is not? That this this came
up from somebody named Danny that's here on TikTok.
Speaker 6: I mean, inseparability of actions just has to do with
the metaphysics of the trinity, right, So there's not any
action in the triad. Is the entire triad acting in
each person uniquely manifesting that one act. So I don't
I don't understand why that would have to do with
with counting though, with the problem of counting. But anyway,
I appreciate the question. Got guz on, how's this field
to get.
Speaker 20: My kilue?
Speaker 6: Point? I got cooked? Is that right? Is that? Is
that why he didn't know? Basics? He didn't know really
like mixing up Leans with Jerusalem. I don't remember him
doing it. You got a thing? You this stupid like
like literally the first thing he did in the first
five minutes was confused Leon with Jerusalem. I don't remember
that happening, but it's literally the first five minutes of exchange.
So now you're lying, so you're the actual library. So
all you guys do is you don't have anything but
an arrogant laugh. That's literally all you guys have. What's up?
Yallo monkey physites? What's up?
Speaker 25: Okay? I've got a question. What okay, I've got a question.
So you know, you know, feel do it or cyrus?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 6: M Yeah.
Speaker 25: So the papers claimed that the Council's Essus accepted the study, Okay,
because because Saint Cyril taught it in his third letter
to the story is allegedly, So would it be a
fair question to ask the Catholics, Uh, you know, since
you'll do it criticized Saint Cyril for teaching the study? Okay, allegedly,
would it be a fair question to ask, why was
it when feal do it to repent it that calcton?
Why didn't they ask him to recount his statements about
the study?
Speaker 6: Okay? It is I think David mentioned that a couple
of years ago. So absolutely, I think that's a great question.
Here's another one. What's up, monkey, phizite yo ja da.
Speaker 5: Yo?
Speaker 20: I heard you had a discussion with Aigan on the Christology.
Speaker 6: I mean you didn't go hear it? You heard you
heard that it happened.
Speaker 20: Yeah, So like, why did you block him on both
accounts and couldn't have a.
Speaker 6: Discuss because of the fact that he made two basic
mistakes which tells me where he's at in the literature? Sorry,
because he made two basic mistakes which tells me where
he's at in the literature.
Speaker 20: Yeah, what do you mean in the literature?
Speaker 6: You don't know what I mean by the literature on
this topic, the academic literature. No, how are you guys
going to debate this. You don't even know what the
literature is on it.
Speaker 20: No, just I'm just asking. You blocked him on both
accounts on.
Speaker 6: I just answered your question. This is why you got Look,
there's hope for you, guys. There's hope for you guys
because I noticed that eighty IQ people they can still
find work. So there is hope for you guys. Don't worry.
If I looked it up on Grock today. Same for
the Muslims. And the good news for you guys is
that you can be ad IQ and still find service
sector jobs, call center jobs, so that you guys can
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Speaker 1: Ok Okay, are you apodex?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 19: Okay, yeah, okay, the papers is faults right, Okay? Ifew
eighteen sixteen?
Speaker 6: Oh bro, you got me? You signed Matthew sixteen. I
guess it's read the Church Fathers and are you aware
that are you aware that the majority of the Church
Fathers don't interpret that about Peter?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so if you read Denny's book, he lists Why
are you getting giggling? Why are you giggling, giggling like Muslims. So,
Denny Liss, the I think it's about what sixty seventy
percent of the Church Fathers do not interpret Matthew sixteen
of Peter. So just telling me Matthew sixteen read the
Church Fathers that actually works against you. You need something
better than that. So well, the chill didn't last very long,
did it? The chill discussion over here that lasted about
that last it about thirty minutes. Mm hmm. What's up, Jack?
What's up? Barely? Are you underneath your bed? What's up?
Speaker 16: No?
Speaker 6: No, how about now is get out from under your pillow?
What's up? Okay?
Speaker 24: So, formerly I was a Protestant, so I actually started
studying early Christianity.
Speaker 6: Now I would classify myself as Eastern Orthodox.
Speaker 24: But I'm still very, very confused, even though I've done
a bunch of research on this whole East Oriental position,
because I'm ethnically Armenian and there's so many high level
words being used that I can't really ask specifically. You
can break it down a little more.
Speaker 6: That's why I That's why I told the previous guy
that you have to be familiar with the literature and
he said, what is that? Yeah, well, I mean if
you want to debate this stuff, you need to know
the literature. So I would just say the best book
for you would be the book by John McGuckin St.
Cyril of Alexander in the Chrystological Controversy that will help
you out. I can't think of a better book. And
I'm not advocating everything that that guy says, but just
as a scholarly text, that's probably the best overall book
on this. Like, I don't like all of you people
that I already booted. I'm not going back to you
good times. I don't know, I don't know who I'm
on is to tell me to unblocks some duda.
Speaker 30: I'm I'm Roman Catholic. I joined up because you asked
for Roman Catholics. I'm not like, uh as, yeah, you
know way more on the books than I do. But
like just doing simple searches, if we see like Ieronaus
and Cyprian, like other church fathers that basically say.
Speaker 6: That the church the uh yeah, But all of those
quote minds are out of context. So for example, when
Aaronaus says he uses Rome as an example, he says
Rome is great because of Peter and Paul. But Vatican
one says, you cannot say that that Rome has supremacy
because of Peter and Paul. It's only because of Peter.
So Arnas actually works against you. Plus, Irenaus rebuked Pope
Saint Victor when he tried to do things outside of
his jurisdiction, So the actual context in life of what
Eronaeus is up to actually works against this quote. Mind
out of context. Cyprian also says, all the bishops are Peter, right.
I didn't even give you the quote, So I mean
you're talking about that. You're talking about this because the
standard quote, minds, what else is it going to be?
Speaker 30: I wasn't talking about Peter and Paul was saying the
church should agree with this church on account of its
preeminent authority, meaning that.
Speaker 6: The preeminent authority, according to Irenaeus, is because of Peter
and Paul. Vatican one says, you can't hold a view
what is the church?
Speaker 28: It's not Peter.
Speaker 6: Vatican one says, you can't hold the view that Rome
has it's preeminence because of Peter and Paul. It's only Peter.
Speaker 30: Okay, so we have that's that's fine, so we have
if we have several church fathers that say this, and
we have the passage that Jesus gave the keys, and
if you look at historically, the meaning of the keys
was the Jewish temple. You know, the keys would sit
on the rock and they would use it to.
Speaker 6: We don't need a bunch of rabbinic ideas that Sue
and Sona brings in to trying to figure out what
it means, because in Matthew eighteen, Jesus says, all the
College has that exact same power.
Speaker 28: Yeah, but that was secondary to him giving it to Peter.
Speaker 6: Well, so that you're calling it secondary, how does that
translate into Vatican one?
Speaker 28: Well, my point is that if he gives Peter the
power to.
Speaker 6: Base, how does that tell you Vatican one? That's the
non sequitor.
Speaker 28: I'm not sure of the connection that you're making.
Speaker 1: Can you spell that?
Speaker 6: Because what you have to prove is Vatican one's claims
about the papacy. Because I can agree with all your positions,
that doesn't tell me that Vatican one is true. Okay,
the Roman Catholic dogment is what Vatican one teaches about
the papacy. Have you read that?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 28: But I'm just I'm not making the connections to maybe
considering about.
Speaker 6: You're so, when you are arguing these things, you have
to prove the Vatican one position is true back then,
unless you want to argue that it developed and involved.
Speaker 30: I mean, I again, I'm still just arguing that if
you look at the history of what it means to
bind and loose and.
Speaker 6: The keys, none of that tells me that Vatican one
is true. You have the burden a prove to defend
Vatican one, which is extraordinary claims about the papacy.
Speaker 30: Oh okay, okay, this is what I would say that, Yeah,
it was somewhat of an evolution that the power of
the papacy to make these kinds of rules is you know,
initially established in Peter.
Speaker 6: Right, God, So is it also true that in thirteen
oh two, and when i'm Sanctum's dogmatic decree, I have
to believe in the temporal supremacy the Roman bishop to
be saved. But post Vatican two, I don't have to
believe in that.
Speaker 28: Well, what is the current ruling? You don't need to
believe in all right, So.
Speaker 6: The current ruling exactly exactly? Yeah, so what you're saved
by in the Middle Ages, you have to believe that
the pope is the queis Tatarak. Nowadays you not to
believe that exactly. Thank you for emitting my point that
Roman Catholicism is a contradicting and changing and evolving position.
We never know exactly what it's going to be.
Speaker 14: Hello.
Speaker 9: Also good you think Amo is Notthodox Romanian by myself.
Just a question, mister Dyah in relation to kindon law
of a six one of the baptism section two, is
that actually referred that anyone who is not a Christian
can baptize a Christian by the Roman Catholics.
Speaker 6: Yes, in fact, atheists and some can baptize, But.
Speaker 20: How is that possible if they're not obtained.
Speaker 6: It's stupid, I mean, Roman Tholicism doesn't make sense.
Speaker 16: That's why, thank you very much that I just wanted
to know that.
Speaker 1: Thank you very mu accomplished.
Speaker 6: Yes, Satanists can baptize in the in the Romancalic Church,
in extremists, and that's because their position is stupid. Greek name,
that's the logical consequences of their understanding of ex opera
brado Go ahead, are you there? Greek name? I don't
know what you're where, You're not talking whatever? Moving on,
super go ahead. We just had the biggest Muslim We
had like three million people watch the last Muslim debate.
What are you guys even talking about? When you're debate,
you're not debate the reader Muslim? Who's the real Muslim?
By the way, do you see a Muhammed a job
back down? He wont debate? Proud Catholic?
Speaker 16: Have you watched gay inflation? Asshole born?
Speaker 5: I want.
Speaker 6: There's the Roman Catholics for you right there. So this
is what Roman Catholics have. So I hope you got
to see this demonized sect of lunatics. Dad mm hmm,
there we go, zoomer.
Speaker 1: Hello.
Speaker 31: I was just wondering, when arguing with atheists, what's like,
how do you justify the first promise?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 6: What of tag? Why? Why is what is the topic today?
Speaker 1: Bro?
Speaker 6: Topic is papacy is false? It's not tag a yeah? Hello,
uh huh yeah. So I had two questions I wanted
to splash out with you.
Speaker 32: You I'm gonna think by the way you said, with partistance,
they basically you mess up the inclination, basically messes up
the idea of iconiclasm.
Speaker 20: I don't really understand that, how like it could wait, sorry.
Speaker 6: How that started start over against right now with Protestants?
Speaker 32: What so you say that Protestants who practice iconic classm
it destroys the idea of the incarnation.
Speaker 6: Right, So the entire seven Ecumenical councils theological argumentation about
icons is derived from Christology. So it's sort of it's
sort of the logical conclusion of all the previous six
crystological councils.
Speaker 32: All right, So what I mean is that because if
I was thinking about this, and I was thinking, like,
if I was the person, I would say that, well,
if Jesus or God basically manifested, manifest manifested in the
Old Testament various theophonies, how does like, I'm but God
still said that, you know, don't make any images or
anything like that? How does that square with you idea
of the icon later on? And he breas, I don't
know if that's making any sense to.
Speaker 20: You, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Now, God forbade certain types of images, not all images.
So yeah, it's not true that the Old Testament deity
is not iconoclastic. There's images all in the temple along
the curtains, the seraphim the arc. So and if you
look at early synagogues, the Drouropo Synagogue, Judaism even in
the first and second century, was still an iconodual religion.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Sorry, it's not. I'm obviously not just speaking that.
Speaker 32: It's what I'm saying is that you sometimes given an
explanation saying that Jesus is the icon of defile. Yes, okay,
So and I was saying that, Well, can response to
that say, well, even though Jesus inclinated later, they will
still this the offen his idea. How does cond just
point to that say that, well, it doesn't matter what
refute your argument about Jesus being the icon data, He's.
Speaker 6: Not the icon later. He was always the icon of
the Father, even before the incarnation. Okay, so.
Speaker 7: Maybe I need to think about this more.
Speaker 6: Sorry, Well, Jesus a person. Think about and John five
through nine, when he keeps arguing with the Pharisees, right,
he says that no one sees the Father at any time,
and yet Moses saw the face of God. The face
of God is the icon of the Father. So Jesus
saying I was I'm outside I talking about so he
was always the icon he was always the icon of
the father incarnation. Then it was also throughout correct he
was he was always the icon of the fire. Thank you.
That was a good question, Jay, Yeah, it's me again.
I don't remember what you said.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I've got another question actually, So what's your thoughts on.
Speaker 25: The cdeo C and what Amastatious the light burying said,
and you know, the constant to noble soul, but the
one we reject. Yeah, apparently he answered Saint Potius's objection
and he used the letter to the Linus might say,
Masius to concesso.
Speaker 6: What's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 25: Right?
Speaker 6: So the thing is is that what the Latins mean
is not actually dogmatically stated or expressed until Lyons in Florence.
So you can't you can't take the ongoing nature of
that debate and pick something out of the eighth, ninth,
ten to eleventh century, because at twelve seventy four is
when Rome dogmatically states that they mean not Economia bought
an eternal hypostatic procession from the Father and the Son
as from a single principle.
Speaker 33: So that's why you got so by the way, he's
one sol what could you bring up a one Sola,
he's a Catholic waiting to columb.
Speaker 6: Okay, a one. I don't see a one I see Catholic?
Truth is that him? I don't see. I don't see
a one.
Speaker 16: Much faggoted Latian asshole for I want.
Speaker 6: To read so again another Roman Catholic. Notice the amazing
theological insights of the Roman Catholics. I don't see a one,
Soma anyway. I'm what you're talking about? Dad, Hi Ja,
thanks for picking me up.
Speaker 7: Can you hear me?
Speaker 6: Can you? Yes? Dude? Come on man? Are you calling
me from hell? Good grief? Bugle?
Speaker 5: Hello Jay?
Speaker 33: There's a guy called Aim and he's done nothing wrong
with Please don't blocking police.
Speaker 1: He's done nothing wrong.
Speaker 6: He loves you so much. Please. I have no idea who.
I have no idea. Why are you laughing? It's like
people act like like grown men, act like fourteen year
olds and I have no idea who that is?
Speaker 1: No? What's up?
Speaker 7: Jay?
Speaker 6: Are you underneath your bed? I can't hear you.
Speaker 1: You can't hear me?
Speaker 6: Can hear me?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I got a question for you.
Speaker 20: So you know, do you know Opa Gotho's.
Speaker 6: Light in the six actumical Console? Yes? Yeah, so okay,
so he wanted to cast me out good one. So
again this is this is why I don't usually go
over here. It's because it's just the most low tier
bunch of garbage. It's all brain right for the most
part at all. You are I just want to ask you.
Speaker 20: Can I get mad?
Speaker 6: No, have no idea who you are? Make some randempty,
make me the mod bros. Or they're back in destroyer
Joshua J boy. Hey you going, brother?
Speaker 34: Yes, I was gonna ask, so your your Orthodox correct
Eastern Oriental. Now you're saying because I'm I'm I'm a
bit of a weird one. I was baptized Ladden, right,
but I was confirmed Maronite Catholic because I'm Lebonese. But
with with the Catholics and Orthodox, didn't the Orthodox agree
to the phillyok way until like the eleventh century.
Speaker 6: We're talking about one church like the strongest, the strongest
defenders against the philioquay are from those centuries sat Photius.
So no, no, they were talking about skimmity riz That's
what I'm talking about. Hi mm hm, hi, thank you
that was profound.
Speaker 35: Hi can you hear me? So algie? Sorry for my
bad English. I have a Christian for you, what is
Do you have an argument against Islam?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I mean I've debated all the top Muslims, so.
Speaker 1: I got a lot you can make and agument.
Speaker 31: No.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Koran tells me to check the Quran against
prior revelation to see that it's in continuity with it.
When I check prior revelation, it is not in continuity
with it. So the Koran is false.
Speaker 20: Okay, okay, if I understand you, you did.
Speaker 6: Conjo, I can't even I mean, no idea what you're saying.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 6: By the way, the topic is on TikTok lists very
clearly as.
Speaker 1: Papercy Yo, Jay, what's kind of my friends?
Speaker 6: Hey?
Speaker 20: I just wanted to combine and say, hello, what's up man?
Speaker 6: How you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing good. The papacy is definitely false.
Speaker 36: Great ahead, I just warning to say, you know, if
anyone wants a confirmation of that, one of the great
debunkers of papal primacy or supremacy is Posting Leo.
Speaker 20: Actually, yes, yeah.
Speaker 36: If you read his sermons, he lays out pretty clearly
what who he thinks Peter is, and the special charism
goes down for guess who whole Church, and he actually
lays this out in his exegesis of Matthew sixteen eighteen
and John twenty one.
Speaker 20: He also says, applies to all bishops of the church.
Speaker 36: We should always remember that Peter, Saint Peter, is a
figure of the bishops as a whole, a particular supreme
super Bishop. Saint Leo his special charism with peters that
he thought Peter was in heaven praying for him.
Speaker 1: He makes this clear in his sermons.
Speaker 20: So if anyone needs a reason, turn up.
Speaker 36: But even the pape c repops Saint Leo and his
ecclesiology is very clear, very very clear.
Speaker 20: So yeah, O, thank you for rising up my good
friend Jay.
Speaker 6: Yes, sir, thank you, Nand I appreciate that that was
a very good point. Yeah. Remember a lot of ro
Mecalic's like they said, oh the tone of Leo ex cathedra.
Well remember Ibara has backed away from that, and he never,
by the way, has said, oh, by the way, I
was wrong when I was saying it was ex cathedra.
He just quietly backed away from that. But as an
on the points out, when you actually go into the letters,
how does he execute it? Is he exeguting Matthew sixteen.
Remember the guy they called in about an hour ago said,
oh what about Matthew sixteen? Well, do the church fathers
actually actually Matthew sixteen that way? Actually, very few, I
think it's about it's it's ironically something like sixteen. Like,
it's not very many that apply Matthew sixteen directly to Peter.
I think Denny has a list. I forget the exact numbers,
but it's very small minority that think that it's actually Peter.
And isn't it ironic that Leo himself is not executing
it the way that the Vatican one argument wants it
to be executed.
Speaker 20: Go ahead, Pooky, please on brook Am, he's done nothing wrong.
Speaker 6: I don't know who that is. Where are you keep saying?
Speaker 20: And it says aim and then some rbs.
Speaker 6: He's done nothing. I don't know who it is. Who
is he?
Speaker 1: What is it? I don't know? But he loves you
so much.
Speaker 6: Okay, Well this sounds a little that sounds a little skittles, dude,
Liam yo yo day.
Speaker 5: I just had a quick question, so I have a
good amount of I guess you could say Protestant people
are non anomational people who they're not really familiar with
the church.
Speaker 16: What are some like easy arguments to.
Speaker 20: Kind of like point them in at the right direction
of Orthodoxy.
Speaker 6: I am orthodox. I'm saying your saying point a protest
in the direction of Orthodoxy easily. I guess I don't
know that there is like an easy simple thing. I
would say, you know, get them to read like, uh,
you know, Father Josiah Trendon's boat, Rock and Sand. Get
them to watch the Icon documentary on YouTube. You know,
you got to also kind of know your audience, so
know what kind of like, if it's a Protestant guy
who's not really into history, well you're not going to
give him a five minuter paid church history book, right.
If it's a Protestant guy who's into arts, he's gonna
vibe with the Icon documentary. So I would just say,
you know, try to know your audience and then you know,
choose on the on that basis. Dawn, Well, yeah, what's up.
Speaker 37: I've had a question with Daniel thirteen. Why is the
box canon?
Speaker 6: Why is it in the Orthodox canon?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 20: Why isn't it?
Speaker 1: It is?
Speaker 6: The extra section of Daniel is in the Orthodox Bible?
Speaker 20: Verse thirteen.
Speaker 6: I think you should you said, did you say Daniel
thirteen or what are you saying?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 20: I said, yeah, can you hear me?
Speaker 7: Why?
Speaker 20: I don't know if I can, Like there's an echo?
Speaker 6: What section of Daniel are you talking about?
Speaker 20: Thirteen? Verse thirteen of what chapter?
Speaker 6: My bad?
Speaker 20: I mean chapter thirteen.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, the extra section of Daniel is in the
Orthodox Bible.
Speaker 37: No, I mean I have the Orthodox Study Bible right here,
but when I go to chapter thirteen, I don't see.
Speaker 6: It, Like I don't have it. It's I thought it
might be in a separate section story.
Speaker 37: Of Susannah where I think they're trying to take off
her when something that us was anywhere. They're trying to
take off her face.
Speaker 20: Veil and whatnot.
Speaker 6: Are you talking about Bell and Dragon? Yeah, it's in
the Orthodox Bible.
Speaker 14: Are you sure?
Speaker 20: Because I mean, I mean I was looking at it
last night and.
Speaker 6: I think it's only in the Catholic Bible. No, I'm
pretty sure it's in the Orthodox Bible because I have
notes about It's there's even more than the bean, Bell
and Dragon. There's the story of one of them.
Speaker 37: I think someone in the comments just said that I'll
always be has it in different.
Speaker 6: It's in a different section, you know. That's what I'm
trying to say.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's just in.
Speaker 6: A different part. Yeah, but it's in. It's in there
because it has that section about one of the saints
like speaking to another saint across time or at least
uh into heaven. So which is another argument indirectly, you
could say, for intercession of saints. Right, so the saints
are involved in the life life of the believers on earth.
So okay, So I think there's a typo. Yeah, there's
a typo in the Orthodox Study Bible, because if you'd
flip over, it says Daniel twenty two. It's supposed to
be I think they mean twelve, but Daniel thirteen is
just stuck as twelve. But if you go through twelve,
and it's on the Orthodox Study Bible's page twelve sixty one,
you'll see Bell in the dragon, You'll see Bell deposed,
and then you'll see the section when I'm talking about
Daniel is vindicated. That's where he sees the prophet Habakuk
outside of time, who lived one hundred years earlier than him.
So Daniel's able to interact intercession of saints with Habaka
kuloved one hundred years before him. That's Daniel what Sometimes
it's called Daniel thirteen, but here it's Daniel twelve thirty six,
thirty three to thirty six, but it is there. But
that's a good question, Tech.
Speaker 38: Jed, I please unbloock aim when he's done nothing wrong
with see please, I'm bigging.
Speaker 6: So this is why it's just annoying. You just get
a lot of this really annoying stuff over here. I
don't even know who they're talking about. Rico, do you
press up? You are not press up? You're retired?
Speaker 20: Can you defend your position on what I think?
Speaker 6: It's so good? Why am I retarded? Why would I
argue with you if if you call me red?
Speaker 20: How do you avoid the charge of moto.
Speaker 6: Claps your heart? You're hurting my feelings? No one cares.
How do you avoid the I care about my feelings?
Speaker 1: Bron properly.
Speaker 6: Hate properly?
Speaker 5: Bro?
Speaker 6: Why are you saying bro? Why are you saying bro?
Speaker 31: Man?
Speaker 6: You don't drop the vocapular and you got to say
brow every three seconds?
Speaker 5: Bro?
Speaker 1: Bro?
Speaker 6: What kind of moto collapse? What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: You know what motor clapses?
Speaker 6: I know what it means in terms of like the Trinity.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like that.
Speaker 6: Laugh. Yeah, exactly, Bro, Bro jump bro, this is what
you get over here.
Speaker 5: Bro?
Speaker 6: Why you act like your boat?
Speaker 1: Bro?
Speaker 14: Can you me me?
Speaker 5: Me?
Speaker 14: I'm sorry?
Speaker 6: Can you hear I can hear you?
Speaker 20: Okay.
Speaker 6: My question is did you ever like debate atheists and.
Speaker 32: Would you like to?
Speaker 6: Yes? I have debated many atheists.
Speaker 20: Okay, so I've never actually been in a debate, so
I don't know like you exactly Why.
Speaker 6: Would I debate a girl who's never been in a debate.
This is what you get on Twitter, I mean TikTok.
Speaker 38: Hello, Jay, our question about Sam Shimon, if he's near
Orthodox and if you ever tried to convert him and
make close to the Orthodoxy?
Speaker 6: Thank you. Yeah, we're trying to. That's why we're going
to have that open forum with me and UBI and
other people versus his Catholic side of things. So we
were going to do that sooner, but then because of
the hurricane, Ibara's uh so, so the people are flagging
my thing. So this is what you get with these people. Now,
they're trying to pull down the stream.
Speaker 16: So go ahead, hey, everybody follow codex underscore.
Speaker 6: See you can't even hardly. Like, what I need to
do is actually just block these people because they're gonna
they're gonna start trying to pull it down.
Speaker 39: Yep, I have a question concerning the philioque. He holds
this position that the filioque could lead to polytiesmry uhh. Yes,
So I'll meeting her thoughts by the way, So could
you explain this or give some book recommendations where.
Speaker 27: I can conclude this?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you could read the Mistagogy of Saint
Photius where he first makes that argument, and then if
you read the Appedictive Treatise by Saint Gregory Palamos, he
further follows upon that argumentation and builds upon it and
it makes an even stronger case. So both of those
books are available in English, and both of those kind
of kind of make that argumentation. Let's see, I got
to figure out how to block the people. Yeah, here
we go. I don't know why I just didn't do
this a minute ago. So let me block all of
these idiots because they're trying to report my channel. So
let me see, you want to block each one of
these people who are complete goobers, and just give me
a second I'm having to block. This is this is
what you have to do over here because they're so
just like it's like a it's a bunch of animals
over here. Say I'm almost done blocking. Uh huh.
Speaker 16: A j I'm a Eastern Orthodox inquirer.
Speaker 1: I have a question.
Speaker 11: Since the Father is both the eternal cause of the
spirit and the sun, what is the difference between spirating
and beginning?
Speaker 6: Basil says what the difference is we do not know,
but that there is a difference we know.
Speaker 20: Oh okay, I have no idea what that means.
Speaker 6: But okay, well, I mean that's what the Capadocians say,
because we're not ever told what that difference is. But
the difference is that the generation produces the sun, the
spirradation produces a spirit. So part of the distinction would
be in the relations, not relations of opposition, but relations
of origin. I'mer saying why these people start giggling, It's
like what are you giggling at? Yep, dire yeah, uh,
wondering what you think?
Speaker 36: And if you've heard of this theory of the lobbyians
in writing the gospels?
Speaker 14: Have you heard of that?
Speaker 6: Nothing to do with the topic topic, It's papacy. It's
listed in giant bold letters. Okay, I guess I'm not
allowed to ask. Good grief? Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 5: Kay?
Speaker 6: How you doing? M huge fan?
Speaker 40: I just wanted to see if you had any opinions
on the Western right orthodoxy.
Speaker 14: I just catechized, so I just wanted to see what
your thoughts were.
Speaker 6: I mean, as long as it's not bringing in Roman
Catholic ideas, devotions and techniques, there's nothing inherently wrong with
the right. Uh huh, Pope, see what I mean? Like,
it's just like, yep, you guys want or why don't
come around TikTok? It's just a bunch of idiots yep.
Speaker 1: So I just do you think that the Catholics like
our Catholic brothers.
Speaker 6: And are gonna go to They're not. Why are their
brothers and sisters who in their heretics? Uh, just because
they still believe they don't believe the same orth theology. Yep,
one one one one piece.
Speaker 20: J how's it going.
Speaker 6: I'll be brief.
Speaker 26: My question is about the Pope in your perspective. Well, first,
I'm an ex Muslim. Think for any list, my name
is for Han KORREESHI you might know to be o Koreshi.
We kind of grew up together, uh debated in back
of day anyways, So my question is on the pope.
What are your what is your perspective on the Pope's
declaration of universalism recently?
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on that?
Speaker 6: Well, I don't know that it's explicitly universal, as it
certainly could lead to that, but I just think he's
repeating really what we always kind of thought Vatican Two
was teaching in no Stratate three and Lemon Gentm sixteen.
Speaker 1: Fair awesome.
Speaker 26: If I could connect with you in the future, I
think I could learn a lot from you. I'm a psychologist,
by the way.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, feel free to give
me a follow and pop back in anytime we do election.
Hey bro, what's up, homie? Good good?
Speaker 7: What's going on?
Speaker 6: I thought you were going to be a cholo.
Speaker 7: No, that's all right. So can you repeat your argument
on about ut somethem again?
Speaker 6: Just clarify. Yeah, the very bottom paragraph of when I'm
Signctum says that you also have to believe in the
temporal supremacy the Roman bishop to be saved post Vatican two.
That's no longer necessary, So that to me is a
clear contradiction.
Speaker 7: And where did I mentioned in va Into where it says.
Speaker 6: You don't know if I need to believe that dignitatis
Humani's entire declaration is about religious liberty. Religious religious liberty
is obviously contrary to the doctrine of the pope is
a temporal, geopolitical ruler and emperor.
Speaker 7: Okay, So was that is that your assumption of reading.
Speaker 6: That, No, the Roman Catholic the Pope took off his
triple crowns, so obviously he doesn't believe that anymore.
Speaker 31: Okay, So ludum something can you can you verify with
me the the historical context of something of livable with
issue in.
Speaker 6: The first place, because there were kings and bishops who
were there were excuse me, there were kings first of
all who were installing bishops, and there it's called the
investigor controversy. And because there were kings who were saying
that you only have authority in the spiritual domain, this
prompted the pope after the Gregorian reforms, to say, via
the donation of Constantine via dictatus, Pope, I have the
authority to call standing armies to go to war. Uh,
to basically be the emperor of the world queas outsider rot.
So when when?
Speaker 1: When?
Speaker 6: When?
Speaker 31: The bull says, Therefore, if the earthly power airs, it
shall be judged by the spiritual power, but if a
lesser if a lesser spiritual power airs, it should be
judged by a superior spiritual power.
Speaker 6: But if the.
Speaker 7: Supreme power airs, it can be judged by only God
and not by man.
Speaker 6: What do you think that?
Speaker 7: What do you want your temptation of that?
Speaker 6: Well, I just simply reject that out of hand that
the pope has the authority in the physic, in the
geopolitical realm, or in the in the civil realm, because
the canons, for example of Calcidon, say that no cleric
can be involved in the civil service.
Speaker 7: No, I don't think. It's my question though, but do
you agree with that? What do what I just said?
Speaker 6: I don't accept that the pope is a geopolitical power
or an authority I.
Speaker 7: Think with a lot of respect, like, do you agree
with what I read or no?
Speaker 6: Uh, I don't understand your argument. Reset your argument for me.
Speaker 31: Yeah, So I'm gonna read them for something. I'm going
to read from moving something again. It says, therefore, if
the earthly power errs, it shall be judged by the
spiritual power. But if a lesser spiritual power airs, it
shall be judged by a superior spiritual power. If the
supreme powers, it could be judged only by God and
not by men.
Speaker 6: Do you agree with that? No, obviously not. I don't
believe that the roman See is accountable to no one.
Speaker 7: No, I'm not not to the roman See.
Speaker 6: Just like that's referring to the roman See. It's saying
the roman See only answers to God. It's not judged
by anyone else.
Speaker 31: Yeah, but it's saying, but it was saying in a
spiritual power in relation to the earthly power.
Speaker 6: Correct, it's talking about the Roman See and relationship to
the king.
Speaker 7: Yeah, ja da, I know that. But it's talking about
the authority of the spiritual power in relations with the
earthly power.
Speaker 6: So you don't even they're they're going.
Speaker 7: To be judged by a spiritual power, but if by
spiritual all to them?
Speaker 6: Yeah for mooney, All right, Oh my gosh, here we go.
Speaker 1: Hello m h.
Speaker 6: Here uh huh?
Speaker 7: Have the original Bible?
Speaker 14: Oh no, it's been.
Speaker 6: So there you go. There's your Muslim there's your high
tier Muslim apologetics.
Speaker 40: Hey, Jay, is it okay if I ask you a
question about the Trinity? Are you only focusing on the
papacy for this?
Speaker 1: Live?
Speaker 6: Go ahead? What's up?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 40: So just to kind of give you a little background
on me, I'm just I'm a messianic. I don't believe
in the trinity. But I wanted to ask you kind
of like what happened at now? Is nicea from economic
trinitarianism to the eternal generation?
Speaker 6: What was the I don't know what. What do you
mean economic trinitarianism and nicia? What does that have to
do with each other?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 40: No, I mean it got switched basically from economic trinitarianism
to eternal generation.
Speaker 6: No, you have no idea what you're talking about. So no,
economia refers to later trinitarian disputes in terms of distinguishing
the intratrinitarian life as opposed to God in relationship to
the created order. So you're you have no idea we're
talking about? Yep, what's just saying that you put on
the top. I'm sorry to come back. I didn't mean
to hit the button come back in here. I lost that, dude,
I forgot where your name was my fingers come back
and I'll bring it back up. Go ahead, hello, go ahead, Yeah,
I just clicked on.
Speaker 20: It was the first time I've seen your page says
the papacy is false.
Speaker 6: So just a few basic ones.
Speaker 20: When Jesus said, you have the king, the King, your
name is Simon, and Simon.
Speaker 6: We just we already addressed this like for an hour. No,
it's just I've just went on to the your page.
I just addressed that objection for the last hour. And
do you know what he's called. He calls him cephas,
which is we just addressed this for an hour, not
readdressing it.
Speaker 13: Yep, Hi, I just have a question.
Speaker 10: About the Trinity. Is Jesus the Father?
Speaker 5: Could you give me like an explain explanation about that,
because I understand that, well.
Speaker 6: You could you could read the High priestly Prayer from
Say Jenna from John Say sixteen and seventeen, where Jesus
clearly elucidates the distinction between the persons and the fact
that he will speak to the Father and then he
will send the comfort of the Holy Spirit, and he
identifies him as a separate excuse me, as a third he.
Speaker 16: Oh, all right, Well, thinks man.
Speaker 6: M yeah, so John sixteen and seventeen are really good
for that. Yep. So once again another Muslim with that
high tier apologetic there. Yeah yeah, hello m h yeah.
Speaker 35: So I just want to alshow about the papacy, you know,
with the with the Eastern conflict, but you know it could.
Speaker 11: Boons.
Speaker 6: So there you go. There's another solid, high tier Roman
Catholic argument. This is what you get. They're basically like,
they're like thirteen year old who've eaten too much candy.
Is what you're dealing with over here? Yeah, Amon has
done nothing wrong for you. Please please, what are you
talking about?
Speaker 20: Just block him? He's done nothing, but he loves you
so much.
Speaker 16: Please please.
Speaker 6: I don't understand why you why you even think it's
funny because he loves you for no reason.
Speaker 20: You've never spoken to him in your life and.
Speaker 6: He loves you so much. This is weird, see what
I mean?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 6: How come you don't come on tiktoking debate? This is one?
Speaker 1: Hey, what's good? What?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: Why why do you think that a little American imperialism?
Speaker 6: Dude, it's literally what we're doing with Why aren't you
preparing people for the rapture? Why Are you so focused
on the world because I'm hetero? Huh, because I'm hetero? Okay,
that's Do you think that's a good reason to ignore
the rapture. That's a really good reason, because that mean
that your heresy is not Oh the raptor's heresy, now,
absolutely are Potso it's in scripture. You know, we got caught.
It doesn't mean you think it means though it's not
a pre tribulation rapture says who Enoch was taken before
the flood, the pre triper doesn't. That doesn't prove the
pre tribulation rapture. That's your argument because Enoch was translated
in the Old Testament period, that proves the rapture. Yeah,
good job, dude, that's a really good argument. Uh huh.
Speaker 1: This is like, yeah, I have a question.
Speaker 38: So what is your opinion on Catholics appealing to Ibnama
to try and strum on the for those positions.
Speaker 6: I think it's awesome. That's a pretty funny appeal. I
think they should do it more.
Speaker 20: What's up? Oh yeah, you say is false?
Speaker 6: Correct?
Speaker 20: So like you would say, like in an early century,
it's whenever the church I was was talking about, like
the authority that the Bishop of Rome has. You would say, like,
that's an honor.
Speaker 6: I would say that it's not the Vatican one view,
which is what the burden of proof is on you
to prove what is the Vatican one view? If you
don't know the Vatican one view, you're Roman Catholic, Well.
Speaker 20: I'm only Catholic. But I'm asking you in your opinion, why.
Speaker 6: Would it be my opinion when it's a dogmatic statement
from your church.
Speaker 20: I'm just asking what, like, what do you think?
Speaker 6: Do you not know what it is?
Speaker 20: Why are you asking me questions?
Speaker 6: I'm asking because it's the burden of proof is for
you to defend the Vatican in one view.
Speaker 20: Well, but I asked, I asked you about the the
authority that the Bishop of Rome has, and you just
completely like.
Speaker 6: Just say, oh, it's not the Vatican one view, correct,
because that's what refute your position. That's why I'm going
to say that.
Speaker 20: So when the early Church, let us talk about like
the authority that the Bishop of Rome has.
Speaker 6: Can you demonstrate that it's the Vatican one view? And
against her, you said, what can you demonstrate that's the
Vatican one view? We already addressed against heresy is an
hour going here.
Speaker 20: Well, I'm asking you what's your interpretations on those?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 6: So you can't answer the objection exactly, So you don't
have an answer. No, I do have an answer, and
the answer is that the burden I proof is on
you to prove the Vatican one view. You can't even
tell me what the Vatican one view is.
Speaker 20: Well, I'm not talking about my view right now, I'm
asking you for.
Speaker 6: Your No, you're trying to prove the papacy.
Speaker 20: Well, I'm asking you, like, whenever the church father is.
Speaker 6: Literally why does it matter what my view is when
my argument is that the Papa is papsy is false
because you have to prove the Vatican one view. You
can't your view is the correct exactly, And the argument
is that the Vatican one view is not there.
Speaker 20: Well, you're basically saying that when these church fall to
talk about how like all the.
Speaker 6: Church, where is the Vatican one?
Speaker 19: Ye?
Speaker 6: Can you tell me what? They don't say that, No,
they don't say that, where does the Vatican one view
translate into this.
Speaker 20: The pull up like literally against heresy's like when.
Speaker 6: We already addressed the whole quote that actually undermines your position.
What does Vatican one say about Ernas's argument against heresies?
Speaker 20: How does it does?
Speaker 6: What does Vatican one say about nas argument? So again
he can't do anything? This is what we get. Yes,
thank you for coming back in here so I can
be from block you correct, Yes, I can block you
as well, block block block, block you as well. Block
you have to do this on Twitter or else. These
people just keep popping in here.
Speaker 41: Yeah, Jay, would you say a good critique against like
the neoplaton is, like moonism, would be that if the
God is impersonally can't act, therefore creation wouldn't even.
Speaker 5: Be a thing.
Speaker 6: Well, they believe that creation is an eternal generation from
the one, so there is no intentional actions. There's just emanation.
But it's it's it doesn't it doesn't have any intentionality
to it. Now they don't deny telos, but there's not
really a reason why they would have telos. Yep, you
all love Yep, that's up.
Speaker 20: I just came on to say how your debate.
Speaker 6: Uh huh, I already know we are already gonna be
gonna do so it's nothing but just total viewers today. Yep.
Speaker 20: Do you think the first Council of Constantinople.
Speaker 6: Canon number two is.
Speaker 20: Against the papacy.
Speaker 6: Is that the one about New Rome.
Speaker 20: That the bishop cannot have limited under the country.
Speaker 6: Cannot have what so.
Speaker 20: Like churches in Alexandria cannot.
Speaker 6: About limited jurisdiction. Yes you think it's yeah, I think.
I think the Canon six of Nicea, and there's many
other canons that are very similar in that terms of limitation. Okay,
thank you, Yeah, and yes they would by extension is
pre the papacy?
Speaker 20: Correct?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah? Micro what yep? Yeah? Hello? Yeah, just a
quick question.
Speaker 40: So say, with debates and like an agnostic an atheist,
where'd you make the jump from leading God?
Speaker 6: Say through the topics today? The topic is papacy and
giant bulprints not tagged. Yep, Hello, Jay, I want to
talk about the topic the papacy is false. What do
you think about a monastery here in Belgium that.
Speaker 36: Is an Eastern Catholic and a Western Catholic together as
one monastery that say that they are ecumenist.
Speaker 6: Mm. Sounds like a disaster. It would be a totally
oppose to that. Yep. Are you tearing down the papacy
to prepare the way for the Antichrist? Donald Trump sounds like,
that's why are you mentally ill? You know, tear down
this current hierarchy there we would have to do with
Donald Trump. You gotta be are you trolling? Well, he's
the false savior. He's gonna fake his resurrection the fatal
moond Okay, you've got mental illness. I'm sorry for you. Man,
You'll see you'll see coming.
Speaker 40: Okay.
Speaker 6: So I mean it's just like I've got the greatest
argument for a baby seat. I bet you did. All right.
So if you go to Saint.
Speaker 36: Gregory of Palomas's Book of Tickling, chapter Jada is butthole
there you go.
Speaker 6: So keep in mind, this is the Roman Catholic. This
is the status of a Romantholicism right there. And they
act demonized because they actually are demonized. This is what
you're dealing with. So there's still like three hundred people
over here. It's pretty crazy. Yep.
Speaker 5: I watched all of your videos in your life years
that I love you and I beat off to you
every single time I've watched him, and I want to
fuck you.
Speaker 6: So that's what Roman calvich. That's Roman Catholics right there. Yep.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 25: By the way, the guys the guy who keeps cutting
up and saying that nonsense. His name is Covid and
he's really obsessed with you. I don't know why he
keeps doing this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just weird, demonic mental illness. So uh, let's
see if fucking just block it. It's weird because a
lot of these people have like multiple they just sit
here like making accounts. Uh huh, hey, j how you doing.
Speaker 42: Yeah, I had a question regarding your understanding of the ecclesiology. Okay,
I would like to propose that the Protestant Church has
the actual most Catholic approach to ecclesiology.
Speaker 6: There is no there is no such thing as a
Protestant church. There's a thousand different sects. So when you
act like there's one Protestant church, that's totally deceptive.
Speaker 42: When I say Protestant, I'm talking about the ecclesial.
Speaker 6: There is no a Protestant ecclesial church. That doesn't exist.
So Protestants don't exist. There is no ecclesiology of Protestantism
because there's thirty thousand different Protestant sects.
Speaker 20: Right, But what is the same views they have in
common up to the core doctrines?
Speaker 6: Again, how do we know what the what the common
core is? You're just assuming the thing in question? What
are you not aware that there's confessions of faith within
the Protestant churches? I mean, are you aware that Lutherans
and Calvinists used to kill each other over their disagreements?
So there is no common faith of Protestantism doesn't exist?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 6: But you are familiar with the five soul?
Speaker 7: Is right?
Speaker 6: It doesn't exist. Do you don't even have a consistent
interpretation of what that means? Yeah? Exactly.
Speaker 20: Yeah, So when you say that papacy is false, like,
what are you what is your definition of papacy?
Speaker 6: Vatican one?
Speaker 20: So are you just gonna say Vatican one and not
actually define it?
Speaker 6: Well, it tells me. It lets me know whether or
not you read it or not. Have you read it?
Why are you?
Speaker 20: Why are you dodging? You stayed the dodging?
Speaker 6: Have you read it?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Exactly?
Speaker 16: How's it going?
Speaker 1: Jay?
Speaker 10: How are you doing?
Speaker 6: Yep?
Speaker 1: I do hope?
Speaker 5: So I have a quick question, So how do you
interpret can't nothing that's ary with his?
Speaker 16: So in the sixth Council of Constantople, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 5: It says that they were discussing you know, the addition
of the phillyoquay to the Council of Nicia.
Speaker 1: Correct, no idea.
Speaker 6: There's there's no discussion of phillioquay at the six Secondmentical
Council and changing the creed.
Speaker 5: What are you talking about, well, not six, I think
not the six secondary Noble Council constant Nople.
Speaker 6: Was it eight or six? You're talking about the Roman
Catholic synods that try to add the Philly okuay, yeah, okay,
the Latin the Latin eighth Council, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 16: So they were discussing there and what's it quote?
Speaker 5: So Pope I think Pope John the thirteenth he sent
a letter to Photius to state his position on it
on his life on edition of the filiok, with the
nice and constant opening creed.
Speaker 7: Have you heard about that?
Speaker 6: I mean, I've read a lot of Photios and he
argues against it, and that's the Orthodox position. So what
about it?
Speaker 5: I'm saying, have you heard about the what's it called?
Pope John thirteen's letter to.
Speaker 20: Photius about it?
Speaker 6: Not specifically?
Speaker 16: Now, so in the letter, you know Catholics that they
have like an issue with it.
Speaker 5: They say it's corrupted, that Photius lied, you know, all
these different things.
Speaker 16: There's no really no evidence of it, but I was
just hoping for like if you knew or not.
Speaker 5: But basically what happened in it was in eight sixty
nine when he was writing to Photius, he wrote about
what's it called that he called about the addition, and
Photius is like, he lets them know, He's like, what
do you think?
Speaker 16: What's your position? Should we add it? Or like should
we just keep it out?
Speaker 5: And so what he wrote was that anyone who adds
anything to the creeds is Judas, okay is Judas is
the Antichrist, and that it's wrong, and that the people
who have already done it that we shouldn't like immediately
take them out, but we should slowly and I quote
slowly eradicate the blasphemen.
Speaker 7: So would you say that.
Speaker 5: That would be a good argument against the addition of
the philioqui, because I know Pope Leo the third, Pope
John the thirteen, several other popes have had like issues
with them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say that's a good good way to
go about arguing. Sure. Now I'm gonna have to go
live here with Kotel here in a minute, so anyway,
it's enough of this nonsense, so thank you guys for that.
It was about what we'd expect we had. We had
a nice, smooth about the first thirty minutes of pretty
good quality stuff and then you just get these like
ridiculous people, so then they will report your your channel,
so that's what you get, all right. I'll be live
with Cootel in about ten minutes. Thank you guys.