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Speaker 2: It's so insane.

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Speaker 3: Bunker bunker looker knocker up.

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Speaker 4: I got married, I got married to a funko who

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we got married, come joined in the subway he shot?

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Speaker 3: Or I am married, I'm married to my funco.

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Speaker 5: But do we get joined?

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Speaker 4: Co write a sooner subway he shot.

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Speaker 6: Fitamints and biscuits and minerals they come to even to

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my whole life is spent on.

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Speaker 3: A tomm.

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Speaker 7: What of.

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Speaker 4: I'm married to a bonga who but we got wedding,

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Speaker 3: Over the road.

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Speaker 6: And minerals they come to you to.

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Speaker 1: And minerals they come from this year.

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Speaker 8: To fuck TikTok is usually the most feral, first quality.

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Speaker 6: So we got Christo.

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Speaker 1: Hello j Douglass, what's.

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Speaker 6: On your mown? What do you think that PPC is false? Well,

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there's a lot of reasons. But you could look at

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the contradictions between pre and post Vatican two teaching, or

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the comparison of Vatican One, what it claims for the

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papacy and what Francis is doing. Francis is I think

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a manifest heretic and an apostates. So that doesn't that

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doesn't jibe with Vatican one's claims about the papscy what'd

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you say?

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Speaker 7: What?

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Speaker 6: What if is someone as athetic?

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Speaker 9: Does not?

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Speaker 6: Except Vatican two as a VP student athetic or a

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set of a contest, a set of a context. Sorry, well,

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the problem with set of a comptism is that even

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if you to go that route, you're denying again multiple dogmas.

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Particularly Vatican one says that there will be living successors

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until the end of time. All right, damn are you

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are you a Roman Catholic? Yes? Are you a set

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of a contest? No? No, I'm Roman Catholic too, you said,

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but what about a set of a contests? So I

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thought maybe you were No, no, like just asking. I see.

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So you think Muslims and Christians worship the same gud,

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isn't like?

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Speaker 10: According to nashroal theology say that?

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Speaker 6: Well, whether it's recording the natural theology or not, is

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it true?

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Speaker 1: Like it is that?

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Speaker 6: That's what Paul say an Act seventeen. So if that's

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the case, then you think Basil thought Unomius leading the

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same God as the Catholics.

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Speaker 10: I mean, I mean like under like, isn't multiple true?

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Speaker 1: Father believe in natricology?

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Speaker 6: Well, define natural theology because I don't know what you

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think it means. So if if it means that we

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all worship the same God, then does a Satanist worship

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the same God? If they believe in one God?

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Speaker 10: Satan Satanists are agnostic.

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Speaker 6: No, a theistic Satanist. A theistic Satanist believes in one God.

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That namely is it's it's Satan. Satanists believe in God.

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Theistic Satanist. Theistic Satanists believe in Satan as a real.

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Speaker 10: Entity if they think that he's a creator.

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Speaker 6: I think that yeah, right, So that's the absurdity, right,

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that's the absurdity of natural theology. So if if you so,

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one God, you know what the quantifier shift fallacy is? No,

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not really. So the reason that natural theology is false

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is that the fact that everybody believe in one God

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same God in the same way that we all have

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one mother, therefore we all come from the same mother.

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That's a fallacy.

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Speaker 10: Interesting, So, like, what is your interpretation to seventeen?

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Speaker 6: Then I think Paul is saying that they don't know God.

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I mean he calls him the unknown God. Therefore the

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one that you do not know him. I proclaim to you.

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saying like those who without the law, like they do

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Speaker 11: God right m h without like without having beta. Okay,

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they have the law in their hearts.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but that doesn't that doesn't mean you're saved and

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other That doesnt mean you're saved in other religions. It

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just means that God is going to have a different

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standard for how he judges people of judgment.

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Speaker 10: I don't think we believe that they are saved in

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Speaker 6: No Vatican, no Vatican doo says that you can be

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Speaker 10: No, like categy is made four six. It's truly say

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there is no salvation outside the Christ.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's saying that you can be saved in

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those religions, that Jesus uses those religions as means of salvation.

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catch a Bible in his life, right, last thing he's

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Speaker 10: Do you think he will go to Hell?

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Speaker 6: It doesn't matter if within Roman Catholicism. It's a contradiction

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to previous Roman Catholic teaching. Roman Calolic teaching at Cantate

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martyred outside of communion with the papacy, you go to Hell.

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be saved even if it's by Jesus in false religions.

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Speaker 11: Wait, last thing he said, like, even if you're a

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martyr outside the papacy, you're not safe.

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Speaker 6: That's what Cantate Domino says from the Council of Florence

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the dogmatity teaching the Roman Catholic Council Florence.

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Speaker 11: But it isn't like sorry, it isn't like that. I

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Speaker 6: Right, it's saying that even if you die for the

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name of Christ outside of communion with the Roman Church,

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you can't be saved. That's the teaching of Cantate Domino

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at the Council of Warrens. So so by that would

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obviously mean that you couldn't be saved in a false religion. Okay,

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that's interesting, that's really interesting. Well, another way to look

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at this too is do you think Mormons believe in

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the same God as we do, as you do?

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Speaker 10: If they believe it's a creator, why not?

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Speaker 6: Well I'm just no. I'm making the point that they

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believe in Jesus, they believe in the Father, and they

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believe in the Holy Spirit. But do you think it's

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the same God as us. I mean, it's even it's

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even closer in terms of the words than a Muslim, right,

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Speaker 10: Mean, like they believe in the Creator, That's what what

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Speaker 11: Like, they do not believe in the same as like

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what the Revelation declared.

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Speaker 6: You're missing the point. I'm saying that according to the

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terminology that's used, Mormons are closer to us than Muslims

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are because they believe in Father's Holy Spirit.

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Speaker 10: Right yeah, But like there there are someone like Jehovah witness, right, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, they're Tritheis. They think that God, the Father was

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a man that had a body and then he became,

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is that my point is that it's not whether they

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so well there's no no way like to justify

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Speaker 6: Well, you just by the by the very fact of

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admitting that the I mean, if we admit that the

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quanti of our shift fell see is a fallacy, then no,

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they don't believe the same God because it's not the

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same reference or meaning. It's just the same words.

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Speaker 11: So so there's many there's many God. And yeah that's

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what Paul say, there's many God. But to us there

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is one God. Yeah, the Corinthians, I don't.

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Speaker 6: Know, are you not listening to anything that you don't

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hear anything that we just said?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get your point. I'm going to

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make a study. But I thought like we can justify

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Speaker 1: Thank you think you think.

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Speaker 6: Great questions?

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Speaker 12: I appreciate that, all right.

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Speaker 6: So if you look at Cantate Domino, as I said

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from the Council of Florence, it reads the Romancalloch Church

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firmly believes professors and proclaims that they that do not

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live within the Catholic Church not only Pagans, but also Jews,

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Inheritics and Chismatics cannot partake of eternal life, but will

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depart into everlasting flames prepared for the Double and his angels,

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unless by the end of their life they're added to

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the flock and the unity of the ecclesiastical body. So

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it's not just an invisible church. You have to be

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joined to the visible Roman Catholic institution. It is so

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strong that only those remaining in it. Only to those

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remaining in it, are the sacraments of the church beneficial

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for salvation, and do fasting, on giving, and other functions

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of piety, and exercise the Christian service to produce the

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eternal reward. And that no one, whatever alms he has given,

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even if he shed his blood for the name of Christ.

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you remain in the Roman Catholic Church. So there is

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no salvation outside the Roman Church. According to Cantat Domino,

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that was very strict at that time, and as we

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obviously qualified to now in a tat basically be all

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religions are means of salvation. It's another word. You can

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even be a Hindu. According to Tate, says that Hindus

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seek God in love and refuge through the ascetic practices

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of Hinduism. What's up?

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Speaker 12: Clay?

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Speaker 6: Go ahead, Clay go ahead? Are you there? Hey?

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Speaker 13: Sorry?

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Speaker 6: Sorry? What's up?

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Speaker 14: So?

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Speaker 6: What's your view on energy essence distinction?

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Speaker 15: Do you hold any like thomistic like distinction with it,

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like minor real or formal?

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Speaker 6: Why would we use tomistic distinctions when it's a distinction

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that comes out of the Caba doceans It's it's a

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distinction that comes out of tranitarient theology a millennium before

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aquinas it's used in the Six Council. Yeah.

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Speaker 15: I mean there are like twentyth century scholars that would

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use it like Fluorosky as well, that use some sort

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Speaker 6: I was just being curious. I mean, Fluorofsky can have

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that opinion, but I don't know why that's relevant to us.

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Speaker 15: I'm under Carpe the russ So you know, unfortan under Bartholomew.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I think the main way to understand this, rather

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than trying to utilize later scholastic terms is to think

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about in terms of participation, because the whole debate, when

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Palamas debates people on this, the debate shifts into what

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we participate in, and so the scholastic distinctions aren't going

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to be very helpful there because it has to be

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in some way some kind of true distinction that allows

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God's essence to be non participable but a real participation

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in an uncreated reality that is God's glory. So God's

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glory cannot be identical to his essence. So we basically

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just have to eschew any kind of identity thesis.

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Speaker 15: Oh okay, that's good. I know it's not just obviously conceptual.

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Speaker 6: The mind, correct, Yeah, so it's prior to conception, meaning

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that the reality of the distinction is not based on

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what's perceived in the mind, but what's perceived in the

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mind is based on the reality and the thing if

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you read Bradshaw. Okay, yeah, all right, thank you so much. Yeah,

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great question. I mean, I think once you understand the

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question of participation and then you can apply the same

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thing to the Eucharist, and what is the type of

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presence and grace and the Eucharist. At that point it

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becomes really clear that, well we know, for example, the

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two Letters of Cyril to sixth Census, the Eucharist can't

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be the essence of God. And I think pretty much

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everybody agrees that, Well, then what is the nature of

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the grace? What is that grace that's in the Eucharist?

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you're really eating eating a partaking of God, then you're

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Speaker 13: Joseph, what's up, Jay?

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Speaker 6: What's up?

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Speaker 7: Bro?

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Speaker 6: Mm hm?

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Speaker 11: So I got a question about like because I don't

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Speaker 10: Of repetitive a lot, but like.

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Speaker 10: Saints, like found your scripture?

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Speaker 6: Like your cutting out? You're cutting out? Can you repeat that? Okay?

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Speaker 14: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 5: Is it good?

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Speaker 1: Right now?

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Speaker 7: So?

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Speaker 16: Where is the intercession of the Saints, like inside a scripture.

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Speaker 5: All of that.

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Speaker 7: All right, thank you? Bro?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that video is I wish I could remember

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the name of it. I'll try to find it and

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Speaker 1: You go.

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Speaker 6: If you are watching over here on YouTube, you can

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support the stream of via superchats. You can leave me

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a super chat. By the way, I will be live

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Speaker 10: Can hearny?

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Speaker 6: All right? So I just want to ask a couple questions.

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I just converted to Eastern Orthodoxy.

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Speaker 17: I'm trying to understand the monarchical trinity and the Eastern Orthodox.

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that PREMI real fast, Okay, what's the monarchical position? Their question?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So.

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Speaker 6: I like, I'm I'm I'm fairly new to the church.

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Speaker 17: So from what I know is is the Father the

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Speaker 17: What books do you recommend for me to become like

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more educated on the on the church.

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read my Endorsed Byzantine Theology. There's also a section on

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the monarchy of the Father in there. I would also

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say go to over to bo Branson dot com and

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doctor Branson under the media appearances section has a series

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of lectures on the monarchy of the Father. Okay, gotcha,

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thank you? Yeah, yeah, I just wanted to ask that,

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thank you so much. And then what was the other question?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, the other question was, I don't know if you're

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familiar with inspired philosophy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we've done some streams together.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: So I believe his stance on evolution is he believes

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in neo Darwinism.

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Speaker 6: If you try to get your stance on that, right, Yeah,

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I disagree with that. I think that the six Ecumenical

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a result of the fall. It didn't precede the fall,

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so I think that would exclude it. I think Romans

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eight teaches also that all death, decay, and corruption entered

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as a result of Adam sin, and so that would

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also preclude death before the fall. So those are the

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two theological reasons. Also, Father Seif from Rose's book, I

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think it's back in print now, which is a Genesis

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creation early man is a good critique from the Orthodox perspective. Okay, gotcha,

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I was hoping one of the Roman Caelics is going

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to come. I don't know if they're going to come

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or not. Breek West Samurai, what's up, man?

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Speaker 7: Hey Jay, how's it going.

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Speaker 6: What's on your mind?

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Speaker 18: I've got some questions in regards to add good toes

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the papacy book that I jotted down, Uh huh, the

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first one I've got. I was kind of confused in

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regards to Pope Martin being able to remove three of

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the seas.

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Speaker 7: I think it was Antioch Alexandria, and maybe.

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Speaker 6: Was it, so I'm not I have I have that

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book at my other house. I don't have it on hand,

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so I don't remember exactly what this is about.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 18: Actually, luckily I brought it with me to work today.

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I texted my wife because I was in disbelief that

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you went live on TikTok because I don't have Twitter.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 18: It was in regards to in six fifty four Martin

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coming to Constantinople.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So he all the bishops, one.

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Speaker 18: Hundred and five in number, employed the same formula in

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signing that concurrent in the condemnation as judges, as well

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as the Bishop of Rome who had the first place.

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Speaker 6: Are you talking about old are you talking about the

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latter in council? Because this you're not talking about the

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sixth segument of council right, because that's six eighty eighty one.

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Speaker 1: No, it looks like six forty nine.

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Speaker 6: Okay. So that would be a room that would be

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a local Roman Catholic sina or a local papal center

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remove the other the three seeds? I'm actually looking for

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him right now. So I want to be a vigulous here.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what you mean by remove like he

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might have said that, you mean like you pronounced them

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as heterodox or what I don't remember the section of Geta.

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Speaker 19: Day.

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Speaker 1: That's okay, I don't want to.

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Speaker 6: I mean no, it's I mean, it's a great question

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because like what would happen oftentimes is that any patriarch

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or bishop like that could say, uh, this guy's heterodox, right,

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their heterodox.

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said that Peter wasn't actually a bishop of Rome, that

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Linus was the first and then an anthetus, and then

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Clement being put into the episcopate by Peter. Is that

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is that across the board? Do you all Orthodox believe that?

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Alexandria and at Antioch. So there's three patrin seas, and

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even Pope saying Regular the Great and his letters talks

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about the three patrine seas. So Geta might be referring

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to the fact that you can't say because you in

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bishop of multiple places, like he's only a bishop in

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three different sees. And so that might be why he's

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saying that he's the founder of those three seeds but

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not the Bishop of Rome.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Gregory the Great decise here he said that he's

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the that he had the three tetrime sees that he

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references when he's writing to the Mission of Alexandria, I believe,

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and he tells him that he had the same brightness

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hand or the same authority as him, which was I

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felt was pretty mind boggling.

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Speaker 1: I actually found the quote here.

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Speaker 18: It said that the quote Martin, by the grace of God,

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Bishop of the Holy Catholic and Amoholic Church of the

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City of Rome, I have signed as judge this sentence

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in confirmation of the Orthodox Babe and also the condemnation

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of Theodore formerly Bishop of Ferran of Cyprus, of Alexandria,

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of Sergius of Constantinople, of Pirates and pull his successors

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and of their heretical writings, and then later on it

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says that the other bishops also.

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Speaker 6: Signed with him. Yeah, so that's when so Maximus wanted

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to get Martin to sign. And this is after I

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think later in what yours? That is this six forty nine, yes, yeah,

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so this is later in six forty nine. That was

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the Pope's attempt to call an ecumenical council, and Saint

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they were his opponents, they were supporting monothelitism. But that

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doesn't mean that the papac here Vatican one position's true

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because if you read on, if you read like Presemple

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the Denny book in Roman Catholic theology, that's not considered

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an ecumenical council. But it was the pope's first attempt

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at having an ecumenical council, not called by the emperor.

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if that settled the issue, then there would have been

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no need for the six Ecumenical Council, because the sixth

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and if Martin's decree was a Vatican one top down

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decree no need for the sex secon medical Council. Okay,

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Speaker 18: And so his condemnation of those bishops and that removed

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them from the office. Is he able to do that

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because of the Synod or his like unilateral power at

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the first seat.

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Speaker 6: Well, he might have thought he could do it unilaterally.

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But the point is that it doesn't prove the Vatican

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one position. In fact, it disproves it because no Roman

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ecumenical council.

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Speaker 7: Okay, awesome.

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Speaker 18: And the last thing that I'll bother with today is

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that some people have cited how there was one council.

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Speaker 1: Forget me for not remembering that.

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Speaker 18: They appeal to Clement's over John a living apostle, and

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they'll say, oh, look they went, they went to the

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vote over him.

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Speaker 7: And I think I've heard somewhere that that was in

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Corinth and that was under.

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Speaker 1: The jurisdiction of Rome. Do you know anything about that? Uh?

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Speaker 6: Yeah. The Sashetsky Boat, which just came out, has a

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good chapter on that. And basically nobody takes the not

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even Roman Catholics anymore utilized in the scholarly world, they

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don't utilize the Clement examples as a proof of papal stuff,

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because you'll notice that if Clement is proving the papacy

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because he's just sort of autocratically settling issues one thousand

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miles away, then you can't argue the Newman thesis of

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development anymore. And by the way, if that was settling

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things autocratically, why didn't every issue just get settled autocratically?

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If that's an example of that, so it's not okay.

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Speaker 18: And in regards to Pope Victor, when he attempts to

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excommunicate a bunch of people, I have a note here

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saying that Usepius State's Victor endeavored to cut off the

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churches of all of Asia. But he endeavored because he

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did not have the power otherwise the act to follow

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the will, so that like he tried to and then Urinais.

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Speaker 1: Thumped him up.

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Speaker 6: Everybody rebuked him exactly.

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Speaker 1: All right, awesome, Well, thank you so much for tiget.

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Keep the ginger choose flowing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and a great one. Yeah, great questions. Yeah, I

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wish I should apologize for not having the getae book

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here with me. Remember, we'll be live here in an

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hour and twenty minutes, hour and a half with Cotel

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deconstructing Christianity. We'll be covering that. What's up man? Are

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you there? Yeah, it's weird. I usually you don't get

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high quality, high tier questions on here, codecs, polympionship to

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unmute EARI there he dropped off Lutheran.

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Speaker 20: Hello, m.

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Speaker 21: I had a question about eed and divine simplicity. So

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the Augsburg Confession, which is a Lutheran confession, states that

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really it's only statement on divine simplicity is that God

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is without parts.

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Speaker 20: Is that compatible with the eedy or not?

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Speaker 7: Really?

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Speaker 6: No, I think Orthodox theology absolutely believes in divine simplicity,

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and we would absolutely reject any notion of God having composition,

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having a possibility having parts, et cetera.

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Speaker 21: Okay, yeah, because it's something I've looked into and I've

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been interested in, although I didn't know if it was

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capable to fit with Lutheranism, which is a more Western tradition.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think the tendency in Lutheran and Calvinistic theology

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is to default to the Augustinian approaches to those questions.

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And you know, Augustin has a really strict incompatible view

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of absolute divine simplicity, or what eventually is called identity thesis,

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which means that the attributes are identical amongst themselves and

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with the essence in a strict reductionist way.

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Speaker 22: All right, well, thank you, sir, I have a great

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day you too, two five to two seven something.

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Speaker 6: Roman Catholics, this is the time for you to come

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to bate. Does anybody in your Roman Catholics actually want

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to step up? Quit spamming the chat? Go ahead?

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Speaker 20: Oh what, subj.

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Speaker 6: I got a question.

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Speaker 16: Actually, I want to hear your best argument against ptomism.

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Speaker 6: I said. The best argument would be that Thomas's identification

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of nature in person, Thomas's position on persona at relatio,

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Thomas's position on procession abu troque essentially make the Trinity

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unknowable and a meaningless doctrine.

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Speaker 23: Okay, because you remember the video with Wagner that you had,

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Because a lot of my Catholic friends were saying that

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you will lose on Thomism, So I mean, like.

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Speaker 6: I guess I will lose. Okay, and tell me why

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any of the three things that I said I would

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lose on.

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Speaker 16: Well, the basic argument that they gave is that you

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just ran.

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Speaker 6: That's it. I was booted from the frame. How did

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I run when I was booted? Exactly?

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Speaker 24: Bro, I don't understand why they say that you ran,

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but they say you ran, and that Wagner basically schooled you.

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Speaker 16: So that's what Catholics think of Some Catholics think of

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you right now.

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Speaker 6: So well, they're welcome to coming to day right now.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I said, wait a minute, can I will send

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this to them?

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Speaker 6: Actually commitment? Uh, where's there?

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Speaker 7: Okay?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean he allowed me on for five minutes

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and said that the Cappadocians were scholastics and booted me.

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So I mean, if they think that's a win, I mean,

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I mean, if that's what you think of win is

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And by the way, they didn't even let they didn't

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even get into the actual literature on relations of opposition,

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which is what I wanted to talk about. So yeah,

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that's true. But yeap, thank you for answering, Bro, God

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bless you. Yeah. Yeah, I gave the the actual article

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actually won by Kongar on relations of opposition and the

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problems in that position, and they gave him the Lawsky

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article on relations of opposition, which is a well known problem,

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and to my knowledge, neither he nor Pints Up I've

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actually read it. They never got back to me on it,

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so to me, that tells me they weren't really interested

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in having an actual discussion on it. What's up, Supreme? Wait,

526
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hold on, bro.

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Speaker 20: Hold on?

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Speaker 6: But hello, Yeah, I was wondering, what's your favorite ditty party?

529
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The one with the baby oil.

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Speaker 13: Matt type ship that was really funny. Move Barrick, Yeah,

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good day, So.

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Speaker 6: Good day to you.

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Speaker 25: Okay, My question is about, in yourself and your research,

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which church do you think is.

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Speaker 6: The true Church of Christ? The Orthodox Church, alter dis Church?

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Speaker 26: Why?

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Speaker 6: Because it teaches the same thing that the Church of

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the first thousand years taught? H Why kissing the cross,

539
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why praying to the sand? Why all those decorations and

540
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order to Because because of the because of the Jewish

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liturgy that the apostles derived the Church's liturgy from. No,

542
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I didn't get that, sorry, because of the Jewish Temple

543
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Synagogue liturgy from which the apostles derived the Church's liturgy. Okay, okay,

544
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they took the same setting to the church. Yeah, maybe

545
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I didn't get you all. I'm sorry. Man, I can't

546
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understand what you're saying.

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Speaker 14: What's up, Jimmy? Can I ask you a couple of questions.

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Speaker 27: First of all, the did the Cappadocian fathers teach the philoquy?

549
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Because some Catholics claim they do. What what writings should

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I read from them? From them to prove the monarchy

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of the father.

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Speaker 6: Just go listen to the interviews that I did with

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doctor bo Branson about what are the Cappadocians taught the Phillioquay? Okay.

554
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Speaker 27: And the next question is what is your best argument

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against the papacy.

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Speaker 6: I think there's a bunch of them that are kind

557
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of all equally powerful in force. I mean when I'm

558
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Sigem says you have to believe in the temporal supremacy

559
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of the Roman bishop to be saved Vatican to post Vatican,

560
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to Catholicism via dignitatis humani, accepting liberty of freed, worship,

561
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freedom of conscience no longer teaches that. That's one easy,

562
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clear contradiction right there.

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Speaker 14: Okay, Yeah, thank you. Can you keep up the good

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work and good bless you?

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Speaker 6: Thank you, man, I appreciate it. Good questions so much.

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Usually TikTok's away crazier. This is a very this is

567
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a very chill vibe going on, Jay, what's on your mind? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So, Like.

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Speaker 5: I'm an ethnically Jewish Eastern Orthodox catechumen and I don't

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believe the Jews are chosen.

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Speaker 28: I don't believe in all that crap.

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Speaker 18: But would you say that the Rabbinical Jews worship the

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same God as Christianity?

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Speaker 6: Ultimately? No, I mean they might in one sense because

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they do acknowledge the Father have more of a claim

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to it than say Muslim because Muslims explicitly reject God

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all as Father. But I mean Jesus is very clear

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in John five to nine that ultimately know. Yeah, I

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have one more question. What do you think about like

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Young Earth? Creation is im?

581
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Speaker 28: I know Father Surfing Rose he believes in it.

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Speaker 6: I do too, to be honest, I'm believe in evolution.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I've been a promoter of his book justis Creation Early

585
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Man for a long time?

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Speaker 20: Right?

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Speaker 6: Great, Yeah, that's what I want to ask. Thank you

588
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:11,199
good questions. Appreciate it. Uh leo. God, just want to

589
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support the stream you can do so via the super chats.

590
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Right there, we got a nice chill Vibe today with

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our guests. What's up man? So, I guess that chill

592
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Vibe is gonna be going away pretty quick right here.

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So Orthodox, what's up?

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 6: Jake god Blass? Hey, Hey, how you doing.

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Speaker 29: I just have I guess I have two questions. One

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question is, so when I bring up that we you know,

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we count the persons by identity and God by division,

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objection that comes up from like, I guess, like a

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you know, philosophically inclined like atheists here on TikTok would

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be like, what's the modality of which we know which

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concepts are like inseparable or not?

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Speaker 20: And I don't really know how to answer that.

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Speaker 6: I mean, well, that's what I don't understand how that's

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relevant to the different ways of counting modality of conceptions.

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I don't what does that mean?

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Speaker 29: Like, I mean, I'm not too philosophically inclined myself.

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Speaker 20: But he would say, like, how do we know what

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is inseparable and what is not? That this this came

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up from somebody named Danny that's here on TikTok.

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Speaker 6: I mean, inseparability of actions just has to do with

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the metaphysics of the trinity, right, So there's not any

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action in the triad. Is the entire triad acting in

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each person uniquely manifesting that one act. So I don't

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I don't understand why that would have to do with

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with counting though, with the problem of counting. But anyway,

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I appreciate the question. Got guz on, how's this field

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to get.

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Speaker 20: My kilue?

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Speaker 6: Point? I got cooked? Is that right? Is that? Is

621
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:24,000
that why he didn't know? Basics? He didn't know really

622
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:30,840
like mixing up Leans with Jerusalem. I don't remember him

623
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,480
doing it. You got a thing? You this stupid like

624
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,480
like literally the first thing he did in the first

625
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:40,519
five minutes was confused Leon with Jerusalem. I don't remember

626
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:43,519
that happening, but it's literally the first five minutes of exchange.

627
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So now you're lying, so you're the actual library. So

628
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all you guys do is you don't have anything but

629
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:54,599
an arrogant laugh. That's literally all you guys have. What's up?

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00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,960
Yallo monkey physites? What's up?

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Speaker 25: Okay? I've got a question. What okay, I've got a question.

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So you know, you know, feel do it or cyrus?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 6: M Yeah.

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Speaker 25: So the papers claimed that the Council's Essus accepted the study, Okay,

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because because Saint Cyril taught it in his third letter

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to the story is allegedly, So would it be a

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00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,719
fair question to ask the Catholics, Uh, you know, since

639
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you'll do it criticized Saint Cyril for teaching the study? Okay, allegedly,

640
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:45,440
would it be a fair question to ask, why was

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it when feal do it to repent it that calcton?

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Why didn't they ask him to recount his statements about

643
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the study?

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Speaker 6: Okay? It is I think David mentioned that a couple

645
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of years ago. So absolutely, I think that's a great question.

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Here's another one. What's up, monkey, phizite yo ja da.

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Speaker 5: Yo?

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Speaker 20: I heard you had a discussion with Aigan on the Christology.

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Speaker 6: I mean you didn't go hear it? You heard you

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heard that it happened.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, So like, why did you block him on both

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accounts and couldn't have a.

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Speaker 6: Discuss because of the fact that he made two basic

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mistakes which tells me where he's at in the literature? Sorry,

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because he made two basic mistakes which tells me where

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he's at in the literature.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, what do you mean in the literature?

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Speaker 6: You don't know what I mean by the literature on

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this topic, the academic literature. No, how are you guys

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going to debate this. You don't even know what the

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literature is on it.

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Speaker 20: No, just I'm just asking. You blocked him on both

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accounts on.

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Speaker 6: I just answered your question. This is why you got Look,

665
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there's hope for you, guys. There's hope for you guys

666
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:02,239
because I noticed that eighty IQ people they can still

667
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,599
find work. So there is hope for you guys. Don't worry.

668
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If I looked it up on Grock today. Same for

669
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the Muslims. And the good news for you guys is

670
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that you can be ad IQ and still find service

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sector jobs, call center jobs, so that you guys can

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find game fumployment.

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Speaker 1: Ok Okay, are you apodex?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 19: Okay, yeah, okay, the papers is faults right, Okay? Ifew

676
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eighteen sixteen?

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Speaker 6: Oh bro, you got me? You signed Matthew sixteen. I

678
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guess it's read the Church Fathers and are you aware

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that are you aware that the majority of the Church

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Fathers don't interpret that about Peter?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so if you read Denny's book, he lists Why

683
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are you getting giggling? Why are you giggling, giggling like Muslims. So,

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Denny Liss, the I think it's about what sixty seventy

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percent of the Church Fathers do not interpret Matthew sixteen

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of Peter. So just telling me Matthew sixteen read the

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Church Fathers that actually works against you. You need something

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better than that. So well, the chill didn't last very long,

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did it? The chill discussion over here that lasted about

690
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that last it about thirty minutes. Mm hmm. What's up, Jack?

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What's up? Barely? Are you underneath your bed? What's up?

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Speaker 16: No?

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Speaker 6: No, how about now is get out from under your pillow?

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What's up? Okay?

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Speaker 24: So, formerly I was a Protestant, so I actually started

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studying early Christianity.

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Speaker 6: Now I would classify myself as Eastern Orthodox.

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Speaker 24: But I'm still very, very confused, even though I've done

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a bunch of research on this whole East Oriental position,

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because I'm ethnically Armenian and there's so many high level

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words being used that I can't really ask specifically. You

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can break it down a little more.

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Speaker 6: That's why I That's why I told the previous guy

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that you have to be familiar with the literature and

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he said, what is that? Yeah, well, I mean if

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you want to debate this stuff, you need to know

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the literature. So I would just say the best book

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for you would be the book by John McGuckin St.

709
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Cyril of Alexander in the Chrystological Controversy that will help

710
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you out. I can't think of a better book. And

711
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I'm not advocating everything that that guy says, but just

712
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as a scholarly text, that's probably the best overall book

713
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:57,719
on this. Like, I don't like all of you people

714
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,719
that I already booted. I'm not going back to you

715
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,480
good times. I don't know, I don't know who I'm

716
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:06,360
on is to tell me to unblocks some duda.

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Speaker 30: I'm I'm Roman Catholic. I joined up because you asked

718
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,679
for Roman Catholics. I'm not like, uh as, yeah, you

719
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know way more on the books than I do. But

720
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like just doing simple searches, if we see like Ieronaus

721
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and Cyprian, like other church fathers that basically say.

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Speaker 6: That the church the uh yeah, But all of those

723
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quote minds are out of context. So for example, when

724
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Aaronaus says he uses Rome as an example, he says

725
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Rome is great because of Peter and Paul. But Vatican

726
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,480
one says, you cannot say that that Rome has supremacy

727
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because of Peter and Paul. It's only because of Peter.

728
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So Arnas actually works against you. Plus, Irenaus rebuked Pope

729
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Saint Victor when he tried to do things outside of

730
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his jurisdiction, So the actual context in life of what

731
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Eronaeus is up to actually works against this quote. Mind

732
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out of context. Cyprian also says, all the bishops are Peter, right.

733
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I didn't even give you the quote, So I mean

734
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you're talking about that. You're talking about this because the

735
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standard quote, minds, what else is it going to be?

736
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Speaker 30: I wasn't talking about Peter and Paul was saying the

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church should agree with this church on account of its

738
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preeminent authority, meaning that.

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Speaker 6: The preeminent authority, according to Irenaeus, is because of Peter

740
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and Paul. Vatican one says, you can't hold a view

741
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what is the church?

742
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Speaker 28: It's not Peter.

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Speaker 6: Vatican one says, you can't hold the view that Rome

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has it's preeminence because of Peter and Paul. It's only Peter.

745
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Speaker 30: Okay, so we have that's that's fine, so we have

746
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if we have several church fathers that say this, and

747
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we have the passage that Jesus gave the keys, and

748
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if you look at historically, the meaning of the keys

749
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was the Jewish temple. You know, the keys would sit

750
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on the rock and they would use it to.

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Speaker 6: We don't need a bunch of rabbinic ideas that Sue

752
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and Sona brings in to trying to figure out what

753
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it means, because in Matthew eighteen, Jesus says, all the

754
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College has that exact same power.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, but that was secondary to him giving it to Peter.

756
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Speaker 6: Well, so that you're calling it secondary, how does that

757
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translate into Vatican one?

758
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Speaker 28: Well, my point is that if he gives Peter the

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power to.

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Speaker 6: Base, how does that tell you Vatican one? That's the

761
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non sequitor.

762
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Speaker 28: I'm not sure of the connection that you're making.

763
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Speaker 1: Can you spell that?

764
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Speaker 6: Because what you have to prove is Vatican one's claims

765
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about the papacy. Because I can agree with all your positions,

766
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that doesn't tell me that Vatican one is true. Okay,

767
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,039
the Roman Catholic dogment is what Vatican one teaches about

768
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the papacy. Have you read that?

769
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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 28: But I'm just I'm not making the connections to maybe

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considering about.

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Speaker 6: You're so, when you are arguing these things, you have

773
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to prove the Vatican one position is true back then,

774
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unless you want to argue that it developed and involved.

775
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Speaker 30: I mean, I again, I'm still just arguing that if

776
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you look at the history of what it means to

777
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bind and loose and.

778
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Speaker 6: The keys, none of that tells me that Vatican one

779
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is true. You have the burden a prove to defend

780
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Vatican one, which is extraordinary claims about the papacy.

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Speaker 30: Oh okay, okay, this is what I would say that, Yeah,

782
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it was somewhat of an evolution that the power of

783
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the papacy to make these kinds of rules is you know,

784
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initially established in Peter.

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Speaker 6: Right, God, So is it also true that in thirteen

786
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oh two, and when i'm Sanctum's dogmatic decree, I have

787
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to believe in the temporal supremacy the Roman bishop to

788
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be saved. But post Vatican two, I don't have to

789
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believe in that.

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Speaker 28: Well, what is the current ruling? You don't need to

791
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believe in all right, So.

792
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Speaker 6: The current ruling exactly exactly? Yeah, so what you're saved

793
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by in the Middle Ages, you have to believe that

794
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the pope is the queis Tatarak. Nowadays you not to

795
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,159
believe that exactly. Thank you for emitting my point that

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Roman Catholicism is a contradicting and changing and evolving position.

797
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We never know exactly what it's going to be.

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Speaker 14: Hello.

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Speaker 9: Also good you think Amo is Notthodox Romanian by myself.

800
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Just a question, mister Dyah in relation to kindon law

801
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of a six one of the baptism section two, is

802
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that actually referred that anyone who is not a Christian

803
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,000
can baptize a Christian by the Roman Catholics.

804
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Speaker 6: Yes, in fact, atheists and some can baptize, But.

805
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Speaker 20: How is that possible if they're not obtained.

806
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Speaker 6: It's stupid, I mean, Roman Tholicism doesn't make sense.

807
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Speaker 16: That's why, thank you very much that I just wanted

808
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to know that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very mu accomplished.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Satanists can baptize in the in the Romancalic Church,

811
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in extremists, and that's because their position is stupid. Greek name,

812
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that's the logical consequences of their understanding of ex opera

813
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brado Go ahead, are you there? Greek name? I don't

814
00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:56,400
know what you're where, You're not talking whatever? Moving on,

815
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:18,440
super go ahead. We just had the biggest Muslim We

816
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:21,119
had like three million people watch the last Muslim debate.

817
00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:23,960
What are you guys even talking about? When you're debate,

818
00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:26,880
you're not debate the reader Muslim? Who's the real Muslim?

819
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:29,360
By the way, do you see a Muhammed a job

820
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:36,880
back down? He wont debate? Proud Catholic?

821
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Speaker 16: Have you watched gay inflation? Asshole born?

822
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Speaker 5: I want.

823
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Speaker 6: There's the Roman Catholics for you right there. So this

824
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:47,119
is what Roman Catholics have. So I hope you got

825
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:55,960
to see this demonized sect of lunatics. Dad mm hmm,

826
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:01,679
there we go, zoomer.

827
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Speaker 1: Hello.

828
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Speaker 31: I was just wondering, when arguing with atheists, what's like,

829
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,639
how do you justify the first promise?

830
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Speaker 7: Like?

831
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 6: What of tag? Why? Why is what is the topic today?

832
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Speaker 1: Bro?

833
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Speaker 6: Topic is papacy is false? It's not tag a yeah? Hello,

834
00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:46,679
uh huh yeah. So I had two questions I wanted

835
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:47,800
to splash out with you.

836
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Speaker 32: You I'm gonna think by the way you said, with partistance,

837
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they basically you mess up the inclination, basically messes up

838
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the idea of iconiclasm.

839
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Speaker 20: I don't really understand that, how like it could wait, sorry.

840
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Speaker 6: How that started start over against right now with Protestants?

841
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Speaker 32: What so you say that Protestants who practice iconic classm

842
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:18,280
it destroys the idea of the incarnation.

843
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Speaker 6: Right, So the entire seven Ecumenical councils theological argumentation about

844
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icons is derived from Christology. So it's sort of it's

845
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sort of the logical conclusion of all the previous six

846
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crystological councils.

847
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Speaker 32: All right, So what I mean is that because if

848
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I was thinking about this, and I was thinking, like,

849
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if I was the person, I would say that, well,

850
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if Jesus or God basically manifested, manifest manifested in the

851
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Old Testament various theophonies, how does like, I'm but God

852
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,400
still said that, you know, don't make any images or

853
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,440
anything like that? How does that square with you idea

854
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,159
of the icon later on? And he breas, I don't

855
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:02,199
know if that's making any sense to.

856
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Speaker 20: You, you know what I mean?

857
00:51:03,519 --> 00:51:06,559
Speaker 6: Now, God forbade certain types of images, not all images.

858
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,679
So yeah, it's not true that the Old Testament deity

859
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is not iconoclastic. There's images all in the temple along

860
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:18,760
the curtains, the seraphim the arc. So and if you

861
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,719
look at early synagogues, the Drouropo Synagogue, Judaism even in

862
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,800
the first and second century, was still an iconodual religion.

863
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:26,639
Speaker 5: Yeah.

864
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,199
Speaker 6: Sorry, it's not. I'm obviously not just speaking that.

865
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Speaker 32: It's what I'm saying is that you sometimes given an

866
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explanation saying that Jesus is the icon of defile. Yes, okay,

867
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,840
So and I was saying that, Well, can response to

868
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that say, well, even though Jesus inclinated later, they will

869
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,800
still this the offen his idea. How does cond just

870
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,599
point to that say that, well, it doesn't matter what

871
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,599
refute your argument about Jesus being the icon data, He's.

872
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Speaker 6: Not the icon later. He was always the icon of

873
00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:58,079
the Father, even before the incarnation. Okay, so.

874
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Speaker 7: Maybe I need to think about this more.

875
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Speaker 6: Sorry, Well, Jesus a person. Think about and John five

876
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through nine, when he keeps arguing with the Pharisees, right,

877
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he says that no one sees the Father at any time,

878
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:13,039
and yet Moses saw the face of God. The face

879
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of God is the icon of the Father. So Jesus

880
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:20,079
saying I was I'm outside I talking about so he

881
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,400
was always the icon he was always the icon of

882
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,159
the father incarnation. Then it was also throughout correct he

883
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,239
was he was always the icon of the fire. Thank you.

884
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:41,840
That was a good question, Jay, Yeah, it's me again.

885
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I don't remember what you said.

886
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Speaker 16: Yeah, I've got another question actually, So what's your thoughts on.

887
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 25: The cdeo C and what Amastatious the light burying said,

888
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and you know, the constant to noble soul, but the

889
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one we reject. Yeah, apparently he answered Saint Potius's objection

890
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and he used the letter to the Linus might say,

891
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Masius to concesso.

892
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Speaker 6: What's your thoughts on that?

893
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Speaker 25: Right?

894
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Speaker 6: So the thing is is that what the Latins mean

895
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is not actually dogmatically stated or expressed until Lyons in Florence.

896
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So you can't you can't take the ongoing nature of

897
00:53:26,199 --> 00:53:28,599
that debate and pick something out of the eighth, ninth,

898
00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:31,880
ten to eleventh century, because at twelve seventy four is

899
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when Rome dogmatically states that they mean not Economia bought

900
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,199
an eternal hypostatic procession from the Father and the Son

901
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:41,480
as from a single principle.

902
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Speaker 33: So that's why you got so by the way, he's

903
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,960
one sol what could you bring up a one Sola,

904
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,639
he's a Catholic waiting to columb.

905
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Speaker 6: Okay, a one. I don't see a one I see Catholic?

906
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Truth is that him? I don't see. I don't see

907
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a one.

908
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Speaker 16: Much faggoted Latian asshole for I want.

909
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:19,639
Speaker 6: To read so again another Roman Catholic. Notice the amazing

910
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:27,920
theological insights of the Roman Catholics. I don't see a one,

911
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:40,400
Soma anyway. I'm what you're talking about? Dad, Hi Ja,

912
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:41,480
thanks for picking me up.

913
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Speaker 7: Can you hear me?

914
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:57,159
Speaker 6: Can you? Yes? Dude? Come on man? Are you calling

915
00:54:57,199 --> 00:55:01,960
me from hell? Good grief? Bugle?

916
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,519
Speaker 5: Hello Jay?

917
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,639
Speaker 33: There's a guy called Aim and he's done nothing wrong

918
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:13,880
with Please don't blocking police.

919
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: He's done nothing wrong.

920
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Speaker 6: He loves you so much. Please. I have no idea who.

921
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:21,239
I have no idea. Why are you laughing? It's like

922
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,119
people act like like grown men, act like fourteen year

923
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:31,400
olds and I have no idea who that is?

924
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: No? What's up?

925
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Speaker 7: Jay?

926
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Speaker 6: Are you underneath your bed? I can't hear you.

927
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Speaker 1: You can't hear me?

928
00:55:39,079 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 6: Can hear me?

929
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Speaker 2: Now?

930
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 6: Yeah?

931
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:42,039
Speaker 7: Yeah?

932
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:43,079
Speaker 6: I got a question for you.

933
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:47,199
Speaker 20: So you know, do you know Opa Gotho's.

934
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 6: Light in the six actumical Console? Yes? Yeah, so okay,

935
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,719
so he wanted to cast me out good one. So

936
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,400
again this is this is why I don't usually go

937
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,559
over here. It's because it's just the most low tier

938
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:13,559
bunch of garbage. It's all brain right for the most

939
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:17,840
part at all. You are I just want to ask you.

940
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 20: Can I get mad?

941
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 6: No, have no idea who you are? Make some randempty,

942
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make me the mod bros. Or they're back in destroyer

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Joshua J boy. Hey you going, brother?

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Speaker 34: Yes, I was gonna ask, so your your Orthodox correct

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Eastern Oriental. Now you're saying because I'm I'm I'm a

946
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bit of a weird one. I was baptized Ladden, right,

947
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but I was confirmed Maronite Catholic because I'm Lebonese. But

948
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with with the Catholics and Orthodox, didn't the Orthodox agree

949
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to the phillyok way until like the eleventh century.

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Speaker 6: We're talking about one church like the strongest, the strongest

951
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defenders against the philioquay are from those centuries sat Photius.

952
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So no, no, they were talking about skimmity riz That's

953
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what I'm talking about. Hi mm hm, hi, thank you

954
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:34,639
that was profound.

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Speaker 35: Hi can you hear me? So algie? Sorry for my

956
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bad English. I have a Christian for you, what is

957
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Do you have an argument against Islam?

958
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Speaker 6: Yeah? I mean I've debated all the top Muslims, so.

959
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Speaker 1: I got a lot you can make and agument.

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Speaker 31: No.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the Koran tells me to check the Quran against

962
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prior revelation to see that it's in continuity with it.

963
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When I check prior revelation, it is not in continuity

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with it. So the Koran is false.

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Speaker 20: Okay, okay, if I understand you, you did.

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Speaker 6: Conjo, I can't even I mean, no idea what you're saying.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 6: By the way, the topic is on TikTok lists very

969
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:28,159
clearly as.

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Speaker 1: Papercy Yo, Jay, what's kind of my friends?

971
00:58:35,719 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 6: Hey?

972
00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:38,679
Speaker 20: I just wanted to combine and say, hello, what's up man?

973
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Speaker 6: How you doing?

974
00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm doing good. The papacy is definitely false.

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Speaker 36: Great ahead, I just warning to say, you know, if

976
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:48,199
anyone wants a confirmation of that, one of the great

977
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debunkers of papal primacy or supremacy is Posting Leo.

978
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Speaker 20: Actually, yes, yeah.

979
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Speaker 36: If you read his sermons, he lays out pretty clearly

980
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,119
what who he thinks Peter is, and the special charism

981
00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:02,519
goes down for guess who whole Church, and he actually

982
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:05,480
lays this out in his exegesis of Matthew sixteen eighteen

983
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and John twenty one.

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Speaker 20: He also says, applies to all bishops of the church.

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Speaker 36: We should always remember that Peter, Saint Peter, is a

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figure of the bishops as a whole, a particular supreme

987
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super Bishop. Saint Leo his special charism with peters that

988
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he thought Peter was in heaven praying for him.

989
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Speaker 1: He makes this clear in his sermons.

990
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Speaker 20: So if anyone needs a reason, turn up.

991
00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 36: But even the pape c repops Saint Leo and his

992
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,400
ecclesiology is very clear, very very clear.

993
00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 20: So yeah, O, thank you for rising up my good

994
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:34,880
friend Jay.

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00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 6: Yes, sir, thank you, Nand I appreciate that that was

996
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,800
a very good point. Yeah. Remember a lot of ro

997
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,480
Mecalic's like they said, oh the tone of Leo ex cathedra.

998
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,840
Well remember Ibara has backed away from that, and he never,

999
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,280
by the way, has said, oh, by the way, I

1000
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:48,880
was wrong when I was saying it was ex cathedra.

1001
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:51,800
He just quietly backed away from that. But as an

1002
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,440
on the points out, when you actually go into the letters,

1003
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,719
how does he execute it? Is he exeguting Matthew sixteen.

1004
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,119
Remember the guy they called in about an hour ago said,

1005
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:05,360
oh what about Matthew sixteen? Well, do the church fathers

1006
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,199
actually actually Matthew sixteen that way? Actually, very few, I

1007
01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:12,960
think it's about it's it's ironically something like sixteen. Like,

1008
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:16,440
it's not very many that apply Matthew sixteen directly to Peter.

1009
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I think Denny has a list. I forget the exact numbers,

1010
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,480
but it's very small minority that think that it's actually Peter.

1011
01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:26,119
And isn't it ironic that Leo himself is not executing

1012
01:00:26,159 --> 01:00:28,920
it the way that the Vatican one argument wants it

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01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:29,639
to be executed.

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01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:36,599
Speaker 20: Go ahead, Pooky, please on brook Am, he's done nothing wrong.

1015
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 6: I don't know who that is. Where are you keep saying?

1016
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,719
Speaker 20: And it says aim and then some rbs.

1017
01:00:41,719 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 6: He's done nothing. I don't know who it is. Who

1018
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:44,239
is he?

1019
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: What is it? I don't know? But he loves you

1020
01:00:46,039 --> 01:00:46,480
so much.

1021
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 6: Okay, Well this sounds a little that sounds a little skittles, dude,

1022
01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:58,440
Liam yo yo day.

1023
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:03,239
Speaker 5: I just had a quick question, so I have a

1024
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,559
good amount of I guess you could say Protestant people

1025
01:01:06,639 --> 01:01:09,719
are non anomational people who they're not really familiar with

1026
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:10,039
the church.

1027
01:01:10,119 --> 01:01:11,719
Speaker 16: What are some like easy arguments to.

1028
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,639
Speaker 20: Kind of like point them in at the right direction

1029
01:01:14,719 --> 01:01:15,519
of Orthodoxy.

1030
01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:19,199
Speaker 6: I am orthodox. I'm saying your saying point a protest

1031
01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:23,800
in the direction of Orthodoxy easily. I guess I don't

1032
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:25,599
know that there is like an easy simple thing. I

1033
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:27,400
would say, you know, get them to read like, uh,

1034
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:30,000
you know, Father Josiah Trendon's boat, Rock and Sand. Get

1035
01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:33,360
them to watch the Icon documentary on YouTube. You know,

1036
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,199
you got to also kind of know your audience, so

1037
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,320
know what kind of like, if it's a Protestant guy

1038
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,280
who's not really into history, well you're not going to

1039
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,119
give him a five minuter paid church history book, right.

1040
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,840
If it's a Protestant guy who's into arts, he's gonna

1041
01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:49,599
vibe with the Icon documentary. So I would just say,

1042
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:52,000
you know, try to know your audience and then you know,

1043
01:01:52,199 --> 01:02:00,519
choose on the on that basis. Dawn, Well, yeah, what's up.

1044
01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 37: I've had a question with Daniel thirteen. Why is the

1045
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:07,360
box canon?

1046
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:09,679
Speaker 6: Why is it in the Orthodox canon?

1047
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 2: No?

1048
01:02:11,519 --> 01:02:12,159
Speaker 20: Why isn't it?

1049
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: It is?

1050
01:02:13,719 --> 01:02:16,039
Speaker 6: The extra section of Daniel is in the Orthodox Bible?

1051
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 20: Verse thirteen.

1052
01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 6: I think you should you said, did you say Daniel

1053
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,079
thirteen or what are you saying?

1054
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:25,079
Speaker 7: No?

1055
01:02:25,159 --> 01:02:26,159
Speaker 20: I said, yeah, can you hear me?

1056
01:02:26,239 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 7: Why?

1057
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,519
Speaker 20: I don't know if I can, Like there's an echo?

1058
01:02:30,159 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 6: What section of Daniel are you talking about?

1059
01:02:33,159 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 20: Thirteen? Verse thirteen of what chapter?

1060
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:38,159
Speaker 6: My bad?

1061
01:02:38,199 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 20: I mean chapter thirteen.

1062
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, the extra section of Daniel is in the

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01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:43,760
Orthodox Bible.

1064
01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:47,719
Speaker 37: No, I mean I have the Orthodox Study Bible right here,

1065
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,840
but when I go to chapter thirteen, I don't see.

1066
01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 6: It, Like I don't have it. It's I thought it

1067
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,360
might be in a separate section story.

1068
01:02:57,159 --> 01:03:01,519
Speaker 37: Of Susannah where I think they're trying to take off

1069
01:03:01,559 --> 01:03:04,440
her when something that us was anywhere. They're trying to

1070
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:05,599
take off her face.

1071
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:06,239
Speaker 20: Veil and whatnot.

1072
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:11,519
Speaker 6: Are you talking about Bell and Dragon? Yeah, it's in

1073
01:03:11,559 --> 01:03:12,360
the Orthodox Bible.

1074
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 14: Are you sure?

1075
01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 20: Because I mean, I mean I was looking at it

1076
01:03:18,119 --> 01:03:18,719
last night and.

1077
01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 6: I think it's only in the Catholic Bible. No, I'm

1078
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,159
pretty sure it's in the Orthodox Bible because I have

1079
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,800
notes about It's there's even more than the bean, Bell

1080
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,719
and Dragon. There's the story of one of them.

1081
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,039
Speaker 37: I think someone in the comments just said that I'll

1082
01:03:33,079 --> 01:03:34,840
always be has it in different.

1083
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 6: It's in a different section, you know. That's what I'm

1084
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:36,760
trying to say.

1085
01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:39,079
Speaker 1: Okay, it's just in.

1086
01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:41,719
Speaker 6: A different part. Yeah, but it's in. It's in there

1087
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:45,159
because it has that section about one of the saints

1088
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:49,599
like speaking to another saint across time or at least

1089
01:03:50,199 --> 01:03:55,159
uh into heaven. So which is another argument indirectly, you

1090
01:03:55,239 --> 01:03:57,760
could say, for intercession of saints. Right, so the saints

1091
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:02,239
are involved in the life life of the believers on earth.

1092
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:18,760
So okay, So I think there's a typo. Yeah, there's

1093
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:23,760
a typo in the Orthodox Study Bible, because if you'd

1094
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,280
flip over, it says Daniel twenty two. It's supposed to

1095
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:32,760
be I think they mean twelve, but Daniel thirteen is

1096
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,280
just stuck as twelve. But if you go through twelve,

1097
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,400
and it's on the Orthodox Study Bible's page twelve sixty one,

1098
01:04:40,239 --> 01:04:43,000
you'll see Bell in the dragon, You'll see Bell deposed,

1099
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,119
and then you'll see the section when I'm talking about

1100
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:51,400
Daniel is vindicated. That's where he sees the prophet Habakuk

1101
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,159
outside of time, who lived one hundred years earlier than him.

1102
01:04:56,719 --> 01:05:01,199
So Daniel's able to interact intercession of saints with Habaka

1103
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,880
kuloved one hundred years before him. That's Daniel what Sometimes

1104
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:10,400
it's called Daniel thirteen, but here it's Daniel twelve thirty six,

1105
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,760
thirty three to thirty six, but it is there. But

1106
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:27,639
that's a good question, Tech.

1107
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,079
Speaker 38: Jed, I please unbloock aim when he's done nothing wrong

1108
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:35,320
with see please, I'm bigging.

1109
01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 6: So this is why it's just annoying. You just get

1110
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,119
a lot of this really annoying stuff over here. I

1111
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:51,039
don't even know who they're talking about. Rico, do you

1112
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:56,760
press up? You are not press up? You're retired?

1113
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 20: Can you defend your position on what I think?

1114
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,639
Speaker 6: It's so good? Why am I retarded? Why would I

1115
01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:05,440
argue with you if if you call me red?

1116
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:07,039
Speaker 20: How do you avoid the charge of moto.

1117
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 6: Claps your heart? You're hurting my feelings? No one cares.

1118
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:13,119
How do you avoid the I care about my feelings?

1119
01:06:14,119 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: Bron properly.

1120
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:22,079
Speaker 6: Hate properly?

1121
01:06:22,199 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 5: Bro?

1122
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 6: Why are you saying bro? Why are you saying bro?

1123
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:25,119
Speaker 31: Man?

1124
01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:27,239
Speaker 6: You don't drop the vocapular and you got to say

1125
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:28,239
brow every three seconds?

1126
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 5: Bro?

1127
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: Bro?

1128
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 6: What kind of moto collapse? What are you talking about?

1129
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: You know what motor clapses?

1130
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 6: I know what it means in terms of like the Trinity.

1131
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like that.

1132
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 6: Laugh. Yeah, exactly, Bro, Bro jump bro, this is what

1133
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:52,599
you get over here.

1134
01:06:53,519 --> 01:06:53,639
Speaker 5: Bro?

1135
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 6: Why you act like your boat?

1136
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:55,559
Speaker 1: Bro?

1137
01:06:58,199 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 14: Can you me me?

1138
01:06:59,559 --> 01:06:59,599
Speaker 5: Me?

1139
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:02,559
Speaker 14: I'm sorry?

1140
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 6: Can you hear I can hear you?

1141
01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 20: Okay.

1142
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 6: My question is did you ever like debate atheists and.

1143
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 32: Would you like to?

1144
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 6: Yes? I have debated many atheists.

1145
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 20: Okay, so I've never actually been in a debate, so

1146
01:07:20,159 --> 01:07:22,480
I don't know like you exactly Why.

1147
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 6: Would I debate a girl who's never been in a debate.

1148
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:29,920
This is what you get on Twitter, I mean TikTok.

1149
01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:37,119
Speaker 38: Hello, Jay, our question about Sam Shimon, if he's near

1150
01:07:37,519 --> 01:07:42,159
Orthodox and if you ever tried to convert him and

1151
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:43,880
make close to the Orthodoxy?

1152
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,239
Speaker 6: Thank you. Yeah, we're trying to. That's why we're going

1153
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,960
to have that open forum with me and UBI and

1154
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:54,880
other people versus his Catholic side of things. So we

1155
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,639
were going to do that sooner, but then because of

1156
01:07:57,679 --> 01:08:03,960
the hurricane, Ibara's uh so, so the people are flagging

1157
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:06,400
my thing. So this is what you get with these people. Now,

1158
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:07,639
they're trying to pull down the stream.

1159
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 16: So go ahead, hey, everybody follow codex underscore.

1160
01:08:17,079 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 6: See you can't even hardly. Like, what I need to

1161
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,439
do is actually just block these people because they're gonna

1162
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:28,479
they're gonna start trying to pull it down.

1163
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:36,359
Speaker 39: Yep, I have a question concerning the philioque. He holds

1164
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:41,560
this position that the filioque could lead to polytiesmry uhh. Yes,

1165
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:43,520
So I'll meeting her thoughts by the way, So could

1166
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,319
you explain this or give some book recommendations where.

1167
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 27: I can conclude this?

1168
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you could read the Mistagogy of Saint

1169
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:52,880
Photius where he first makes that argument, and then if

1170
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,720
you read the Appedictive Treatise by Saint Gregory Palamos, he

1171
01:08:56,199 --> 01:09:00,960
further follows upon that argumentation and builds upon it and

1172
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:03,800
it makes an even stronger case. So both of those

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books are available in English, and both of those kind

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of kind of make that argumentation. Let's see, I got

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to figure out how to block the people. Yeah, here

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we go. I don't know why I just didn't do

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this a minute ago. So let me block all of

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these idiots because they're trying to report my channel. So

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let me see, you want to block each one of

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these people who are complete goobers, and just give me

1181
01:10:06,399 --> 01:10:08,039
a second I'm having to block. This is this is

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what you have to do over here because they're so

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just like it's like a it's a bunch of animals

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over here. Say I'm almost done blocking. Uh huh.

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Speaker 16: A j I'm a Eastern Orthodox inquirer.

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Speaker 1: I have a question.

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Speaker 11: Since the Father is both the eternal cause of the

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spirit and the sun, what is the difference between spirating

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and beginning?

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Speaker 6: Basil says what the difference is we do not know,

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but that there is a difference we know.

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Speaker 20: Oh okay, I have no idea what that means.

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Speaker 6: But okay, well, I mean that's what the Capadocians say,

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because we're not ever told what that difference is. But

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the difference is that the generation produces the sun, the

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spirradation produces a spirit. So part of the distinction would

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be in the relations, not relations of opposition, but relations

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of origin. I'mer saying why these people start giggling, It's

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like what are you giggling at? Yep, dire yeah, uh,

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01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,279
wondering what you think?

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Speaker 36: And if you've heard of this theory of the lobbyians

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in writing the gospels?

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Speaker 14: Have you heard of that?

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Speaker 6: Nothing to do with the topic topic, It's papacy. It's

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listed in giant bold letters. Okay, I guess I'm not

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allowed to ask. Good grief? Yeah, what's up?

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Speaker 5: Kay?

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Speaker 6: How you doing? M huge fan?

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Speaker 40: I just wanted to see if you had any opinions

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on the Western right orthodoxy.

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Speaker 14: I just catechized, so I just wanted to see what

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your thoughts were.

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Speaker 6: I mean, as long as it's not bringing in Roman

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01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:37,000
Catholic ideas, devotions and techniques, there's nothing inherently wrong with

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the right. Uh huh, Pope, see what I mean? Like,

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01:12:49,920 --> 01:13:00,439
it's just like, yep, you guys want or why don't

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01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,640
come around TikTok? It's just a bunch of idiots yep.

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Speaker 1: So I just do you think that the Catholics like

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our Catholic brothers.

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Speaker 6: And are gonna go to They're not. Why are their

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brothers and sisters who in their heretics? Uh, just because

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they still believe they don't believe the same orth theology. Yep,

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one one one one piece.

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Speaker 20: J how's it going.

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Speaker 6: I'll be brief.

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Speaker 26: My question is about the Pope in your perspective. Well, first,

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I'm an ex Muslim. Think for any list, my name

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is for Han KORREESHI you might know to be o Koreshi.

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We kind of grew up together, uh debated in back

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of day anyways, So my question is on the pope.

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What are your what is your perspective on the Pope's

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declaration of universalism recently?

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Speaker 1: Any thoughts on that?

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know that it's explicitly universal, as it

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certainly could lead to that, but I just think he's

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repeating really what we always kind of thought Vatican Two

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was teaching in no Stratate three and Lemon Gentm sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Fair awesome.

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Speaker 26: If I could connect with you in the future, I

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think I could learn a lot from you. I'm a psychologist,

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by the way.

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Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, feel free to give

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01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,479
me a follow and pop back in anytime we do election.

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01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:32,399
Hey bro, what's up, homie? Good good?

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Speaker 7: What's going on?

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01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:35,359
Speaker 6: I thought you were going to be a cholo.

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01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 7: No, that's all right. So can you repeat your argument

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on about ut somethem again?

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Speaker 6: Just clarify. Yeah, the very bottom paragraph of when I'm

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Signctum says that you also have to believe in the

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temporal supremacy the Roman bishop to be saved post Vatican two.

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That's no longer necessary, So that to me is a

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clear contradiction.

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Speaker 7: And where did I mentioned in va Into where it says.

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Speaker 6: You don't know if I need to believe that dignitatis

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Humani's entire declaration is about religious liberty. Religious religious liberty

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is obviously contrary to the doctrine of the pope is

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a temporal, geopolitical ruler and emperor.

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Speaker 7: Okay, So was that is that your assumption of reading.

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Speaker 6: That, No, the Roman Catholic the Pope took off his

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triple crowns, so obviously he doesn't believe that anymore.

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Speaker 31: Okay, So ludum something can you can you verify with

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me the the historical context of something of livable with

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issue in.

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Speaker 6: The first place, because there were kings and bishops who

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were there were excuse me, there were kings first of

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all who were installing bishops, and there it's called the

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investigor controversy. And because there were kings who were saying

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that you only have authority in the spiritual domain, this

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prompted the pope after the Gregorian reforms, to say, via

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the donation of Constantine via dictatus, Pope, I have the

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authority to call standing armies to go to war. Uh,

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to basically be the emperor of the world queas outsider rot.

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So when when?

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Speaker 1: When?

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Speaker 6: When?

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Speaker 31: The bull says, Therefore, if the earthly power airs, it

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shall be judged by the spiritual power, but if a

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lesser if a lesser spiritual power airs, it should be

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judged by a superior spiritual power.

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Speaker 6: But if the.

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Speaker 7: Supreme power airs, it can be judged by only God

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and not by man.

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Speaker 6: What do you think that?

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Speaker 7: What do you want your temptation of that?

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Speaker 6: Well, I just simply reject that out of hand that

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the pope has the authority in the physic, in the

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geopolitical realm, or in the in the civil realm, because

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the canons, for example of Calcidon, say that no cleric

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can be involved in the civil service.

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Speaker 7: No, I don't think. It's my question though, but do

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you agree with that? What do what I just said?

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Speaker 6: I don't accept that the pope is a geopolitical power

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or an authority I.

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Speaker 7: Think with a lot of respect, like, do you agree

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with what I read or no?

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Speaker 6: Uh, I don't understand your argument. Reset your argument for me.

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Speaker 31: Yeah, So I'm gonna read them for something. I'm going

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to read from moving something again. It says, therefore, if

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the earthly power errs, it shall be judged by the

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spiritual power. But if a lesser spiritual power airs, it

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shall be judged by a superior spiritual power. If the

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supreme powers, it could be judged only by God and

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not by men.

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Speaker 6: Do you agree with that? No, obviously not. I don't

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believe that the roman See is accountable to no one.

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Speaker 7: No, I'm not not to the roman See.

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Speaker 6: Just like that's referring to the roman See. It's saying

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the roman See only answers to God. It's not judged

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by anyone else.

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Speaker 31: Yeah, but it's saying, but it was saying in a

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spiritual power in relation to the earthly power.

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Speaker 6: Correct, it's talking about the Roman See and relationship to

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the king.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, ja da, I know that. But it's talking about

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the authority of the spiritual power in relations with the

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earthly power.

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Speaker 6: So you don't even they're they're going.

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01:17:49,079 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 7: To be judged by a spiritual power, but if by

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spiritual all to them?

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Speaker 6: Yeah for mooney, All right, Oh my gosh, here we go.

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Speaker 1: Hello m h.

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Speaker 6: Here uh huh?

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Speaker 7: Have the original Bible?

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Speaker 14: Oh no, it's been.

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01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 6: So there you go. There's your Muslim there's your high

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tier Muslim apologetics.

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Speaker 40: Hey, Jay, is it okay if I ask you a

1329
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:43,880
question about the Trinity? Are you only focusing on the

1330
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:44,479
papacy for this?

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Speaker 1: Live?

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Speaker 6: Go ahead? What's up?

1333
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Speaker 7: Okay?

1334
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Speaker 40: So just to kind of give you a little background

1335
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on me, I'm just I'm a messianic. I don't believe

1336
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in the trinity. But I wanted to ask you kind

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of like what happened at now? Is nicea from economic

1338
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trinitarianism to the eternal generation?

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Speaker 6: What was the I don't know what. What do you

1340
01:19:05,319 --> 01:19:08,159
mean economic trinitarianism and nicia? What does that have to

1341
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do with each other?

1342
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Speaker 2: Well?

1343
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Speaker 40: No, I mean it got switched basically from economic trinitarianism

1344
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to eternal generation.

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Speaker 6: No, you have no idea what you're talking about. So no,

1346
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:27,079
economia refers to later trinitarian disputes in terms of distinguishing

1347
01:19:28,399 --> 01:19:32,920
the intratrinitarian life as opposed to God in relationship to

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01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,680
the created order. So you're you have no idea we're

1349
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:47,600
talking about? Yep, what's just saying that you put on

1350
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:52,239
the top. I'm sorry to come back. I didn't mean

1351
01:19:52,319 --> 01:19:55,239
to hit the button come back in here. I lost that, dude,

1352
01:19:57,239 --> 01:20:00,479
I forgot where your name was my fingers come back

1353
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:08,880
and I'll bring it back up. Go ahead, hello, go ahead, Yeah,

1354
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I just clicked on.

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Speaker 20: It was the first time I've seen your page says

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the papacy is false.

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Speaker 6: So just a few basic ones.

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Speaker 20: When Jesus said, you have the king, the King, your

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name is Simon, and Simon.

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Speaker 6: We just we already addressed this like for an hour. No,

1361
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it's just I've just went on to the your page.

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I just addressed that objection for the last hour. And

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do you know what he's called. He calls him cephas,

1364
01:20:39,319 --> 01:20:41,840
which is we just addressed this for an hour, not

1365
01:20:42,079 --> 01:20:42,840
readdressing it.

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Speaker 13: Yep, Hi, I just have a question.

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01:20:51,079 --> 01:20:53,560
Speaker 10: About the Trinity. Is Jesus the Father?

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Speaker 5: Could you give me like an explain explanation about that,

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because I understand that, well.

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Speaker 6: You could you could read the High priestly Prayer from

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Say Jenna from John Say sixteen and seventeen, where Jesus

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clearly elucidates the distinction between the persons and the fact

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that he will speak to the Father and then he

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will send the comfort of the Holy Spirit, and he

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identifies him as a separate excuse me, as a third he.

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Speaker 16: Oh, all right, Well, thinks man.

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Speaker 6: M yeah, so John sixteen and seventeen are really good

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for that. Yep. So once again another Muslim with that

1379
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:53,600
high tier apologetic there. Yeah yeah, hello m h yeah.

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Speaker 35: So I just want to alshow about the papacy, you know,

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with the with the Eastern conflict, but you know it could.

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Speaker 11: Boons.

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Speaker 6: So there you go. There's another solid, high tier Roman

1384
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,239
Catholic argument. This is what you get. They're basically like,

1385
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they're like thirteen year old who've eaten too much candy.

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Is what you're dealing with over here? Yeah, Amon has

1387
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,199
done nothing wrong for you. Please please, what are you

1388
01:22:26,279 --> 01:22:26,840
talking about?

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Speaker 20: Just block him? He's done nothing, but he loves you

1390
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so much.

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Speaker 16: Please please.

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Speaker 6: I don't understand why you why you even think it's

1393
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funny because he loves you for no reason.

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Speaker 20: You've never spoken to him in your life and.

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01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:46,319
Speaker 6: He loves you so much. This is weird, see what

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I mean?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 6: How come you don't come on tiktoking debate? This is one?

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Speaker 1: Hey, what's good? What?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Why why do you think that a little American imperialism?

1402
01:23:10,079 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 6: Dude, it's literally what we're doing with Why aren't you

1403
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:19,560
preparing people for the rapture? Why Are you so focused

1404
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:25,720
on the world because I'm hetero? Huh, because I'm hetero? Okay,

1405
01:23:26,319 --> 01:23:28,039
that's Do you think that's a good reason to ignore

1406
01:23:28,079 --> 01:23:31,520
the rapture. That's a really good reason, because that mean

1407
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,680
that your heresy is not Oh the raptor's heresy, now,

1408
01:23:36,199 --> 01:23:39,840
absolutely are Potso it's in scripture. You know, we got caught.

1409
01:23:40,079 --> 01:23:42,119
It doesn't mean you think it means though it's not

1410
01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:46,079
a pre tribulation rapture says who Enoch was taken before

1411
01:23:46,119 --> 01:23:48,720
the flood, the pre triper doesn't. That doesn't prove the

1412
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:53,399
pre tribulation rapture. That's your argument because Enoch was translated

1413
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:55,760
in the Old Testament period, that proves the rapture. Yeah,

1414
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:59,720
good job, dude, that's a really good argument. Uh huh.

1415
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,359
Speaker 1: This is like, yeah, I have a question.

1416
01:24:04,079 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 38: So what is your opinion on Catholics appealing to Ibnama

1417
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:11,079
to try and strum on the for those positions.

1418
01:24:11,239 --> 01:24:13,640
Speaker 6: I think it's awesome. That's a pretty funny appeal. I

1419
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:14,600
think they should do it more.

1420
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:22,159
Speaker 20: What's up? Oh yeah, you say is false?

1421
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:23,079
Speaker 6: Correct?

1422
01:24:24,399 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 20: So like you would say, like in an early century,

1423
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,159
it's whenever the church I was was talking about, like

1424
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,960
the authority that the Bishop of Rome has. You would say, like,

1425
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:31,560
that's an honor.

1426
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 6: I would say that it's not the Vatican one view,

1427
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,439
which is what the burden of proof is on you

1428
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:40,159
to prove what is the Vatican one view? If you

1429
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,840
don't know the Vatican one view, you're Roman Catholic, Well.

1430
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 20: I'm only Catholic. But I'm asking you in your opinion, why.

1431
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 6: Would it be my opinion when it's a dogmatic statement

1432
01:24:49,079 --> 01:24:49,640
from your church.

1433
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,079
Speaker 20: I'm just asking what, like, what do you think?

1434
01:24:53,079 --> 01:24:54,119
Speaker 6: Do you not know what it is?

1435
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 20: Why are you asking me questions?

1436
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 6: I'm asking because it's the burden of proof is for

1437
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:00,520
you to defend the Vatican in one view.

1438
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,159
Speaker 20: Well, but I asked, I asked you about the the

1439
01:25:04,199 --> 01:25:05,840
authority that the Bishop of Rome has, and you just

1440
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:06,479
completely like.

1441
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 6: Just say, oh, it's not the Vatican one view, correct,

1442
01:25:09,039 --> 01:25:11,560
because that's what refute your position. That's why I'm going

1443
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:11,960
to say that.

1444
01:25:13,399 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 20: So when the early Church, let us talk about like

1445
01:25:16,039 --> 01:25:17,720
the authority that the Bishop of Rome has.

1446
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,119
Speaker 6: Can you demonstrate that it's the Vatican one view? And

1447
01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:23,479
against her, you said, what can you demonstrate that's the

1448
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,159
Vatican one view? We already addressed against heresy is an

1449
01:25:26,159 --> 01:25:26,720
hour going here.

1450
01:25:28,119 --> 01:25:30,279
Speaker 20: Well, I'm asking you what's your interpretations on those?

1451
01:25:30,399 --> 01:25:30,560
Speaker 1: Right?

1452
01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:34,119
Speaker 6: So you can't answer the objection exactly, So you don't

1453
01:25:34,159 --> 01:25:36,319
have an answer. No, I do have an answer, and

1454
01:25:36,399 --> 01:25:37,960
the answer is that the burden I proof is on

1455
01:25:38,079 --> 01:25:40,079
you to prove the Vatican one view. You can't even

1456
01:25:40,119 --> 01:25:41,399
tell me what the Vatican one view is.

1457
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,199
Speaker 20: Well, I'm not talking about my view right now, I'm

1458
01:25:44,199 --> 01:25:44,640
asking you for.

1459
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:46,399
Speaker 6: Your No, you're trying to prove the papacy.

1460
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 20: Well, I'm asking you, like, whenever the church father is.

1461
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,640
Speaker 6: Literally why does it matter what my view is when

1462
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,439
my argument is that the Papa is papsy is false

1463
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:58,720
because you have to prove the Vatican one view. You

1464
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:02,960
can't your view is the correct exactly, And the argument

1465
01:26:03,119 --> 01:26:05,039
is that the Vatican one view is not there.

1466
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:08,199
Speaker 20: Well, you're basically saying that when these church fall to

1467
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:09,159
talk about how like all the.

1468
01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:11,119
Speaker 6: Church, where is the Vatican one?

1469
01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:11,279
Speaker 19: Ye?

1470
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 6: Can you tell me what? They don't say that, No,

1471
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,239
they don't say that, where does the Vatican one view

1472
01:26:17,319 --> 01:26:18,119
translate into this.

1473
01:26:19,279 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 20: The pull up like literally against heresy's like when.

1474
01:26:22,119 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 6: We already addressed the whole quote that actually undermines your position.

1475
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,079
What does Vatican one say about Ernas's argument against heresies?

1476
01:26:29,279 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 20: How does it does?

1477
01:26:31,079 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 6: What does Vatican one say about nas argument? So again

1478
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:40,479
he can't do anything? This is what we get. Yes,

1479
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:42,039
thank you for coming back in here so I can

1480
01:26:42,119 --> 01:26:49,720
be from block you correct, Yes, I can block you

1481
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:55,520
as well, block block block, block you as well. Block

1482
01:26:57,159 --> 01:26:58,800
you have to do this on Twitter or else. These

1483
01:26:58,840 --> 01:26:59,920
people just keep popping in here.

1484
01:27:04,399 --> 01:27:07,039
Speaker 41: Yeah, Jay, would you say a good critique against like

1485
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:11,199
the neoplaton is, like moonism, would be that if the

1486
01:27:11,279 --> 01:27:15,000
God is impersonally can't act, therefore creation wouldn't even.

1487
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 5: Be a thing.

1488
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 6: Well, they believe that creation is an eternal generation from

1489
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:25,760
the one, so there is no intentional actions. There's just emanation.

1490
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,960
But it's it's it doesn't it doesn't have any intentionality

1491
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,640
to it. Now they don't deny telos, but there's not

1492
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:40,439
really a reason why they would have telos. Yep, you

1493
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,279
all love Yep, that's up.

1494
01:27:44,079 --> 01:27:47,119
Speaker 20: I just came on to say how your debate.

1495
01:27:47,239 --> 01:27:50,039
Speaker 6: Uh huh, I already know we are already gonna be

1496
01:27:50,319 --> 01:27:55,520
gonna do so it's nothing but just total viewers today. Yep.

1497
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,079
Speaker 20: Do you think the first Council of Constantinople.

1498
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:06,039
Speaker 6: Canon number two is.

1499
01:28:06,119 --> 01:28:07,239
Speaker 20: Against the papacy.

1500
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:10,399
Speaker 6: Is that the one about New Rome.

1501
01:28:12,119 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 20: That the bishop cannot have limited under the country.

1502
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 6: Cannot have what so.

1503
01:28:21,239 --> 01:28:26,039
Speaker 20: Like churches in Alexandria cannot.

1504
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:32,239
Speaker 6: About limited jurisdiction. Yes you think it's yeah, I think.

1505
01:28:32,319 --> 01:28:35,840
I think the Canon six of Nicea, and there's many

1506
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:40,800
other canons that are very similar in that terms of limitation. Okay,

1507
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:42,920
thank you, Yeah, and yes they would by extension is

1508
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:43,680
pre the papacy?

1509
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:44,079
Speaker 20: Correct?

1510
01:28:48,079 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah? Micro what yep? Yeah? Hello? Yeah, just a

1511
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:18,520
quick question.

1512
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,159
Speaker 40: So say, with debates and like an agnostic an atheist,

1513
01:29:22,159 --> 01:29:24,800
where'd you make the jump from leading God?

1514
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:29,079
Speaker 6: Say through the topics today? The topic is papacy and

1515
01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:36,720
giant bulprints not tagged. Yep, Hello, Jay, I want to

1516
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:40,600
talk about the topic the papacy is false. What do

1517
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:43,159
you think about a monastery here in Belgium that.

1518
01:29:43,319 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 36: Is an Eastern Catholic and a Western Catholic together as

1519
01:29:48,119 --> 01:29:52,439
one monastery that say that they are ecumenist.

1520
01:29:53,119 --> 01:29:57,279
Speaker 6: Mm. Sounds like a disaster. It would be a totally

1521
01:29:57,279 --> 01:30:03,680
oppose to that. Yep. Are you tearing down the papacy

1522
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:08,119
to prepare the way for the Antichrist? Donald Trump sounds like,

1523
01:30:08,199 --> 01:30:10,600
that's why are you mentally ill? You know, tear down

1524
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,000
this current hierarchy there we would have to do with

1525
01:30:13,039 --> 01:30:16,279
Donald Trump. You gotta be are you trolling? Well, he's

1526
01:30:16,319 --> 01:30:18,560
the false savior. He's gonna fake his resurrection the fatal

1527
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:21,319
moond Okay, you've got mental illness. I'm sorry for you. Man,

1528
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,600
You'll see you'll see coming.

1529
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:26,079
Speaker 40: Okay.

1530
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:32,159
Speaker 6: So I mean it's just like I've got the greatest

1531
01:30:32,239 --> 01:30:36,600
argument for a baby seat. I bet you did. All right.

1532
01:30:37,199 --> 01:30:38,399
So if you go to Saint.

1533
01:30:38,279 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 36: Gregory of Palomas's Book of Tickling, chapter Jada is butthole

1534
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:43,000
there you go.

1535
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,720
Speaker 6: So keep in mind, this is the Roman Catholic. This

1536
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:52,279
is the status of a Romantholicism right there. And they

1537
01:30:52,359 --> 01:30:56,680
act demonized because they actually are demonized. This is what

1538
01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:03,319
you're dealing with. So there's still like three hundred people

1539
01:31:03,359 --> 01:31:07,680
over here. It's pretty crazy. Yep.

1540
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 5: I watched all of your videos in your life years

1541
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:13,079
that I love you and I beat off to you

1542
01:31:13,159 --> 01:31:14,960
every single time I've watched him, and I want to

1543
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:15,359
fuck you.

1544
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 6: So that's what Roman calvich. That's Roman Catholics right there. Yep.

1545
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:27,199
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1546
01:31:27,359 --> 01:31:30,720
Speaker 25: By the way, the guys the guy who keeps cutting

1547
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:35,359
up and saying that nonsense. His name is Covid and

1548
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:37,880
he's really obsessed with you. I don't know why he

1549
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:38,560
keeps doing this.

1550
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just weird, demonic mental illness. So uh, let's

1551
01:31:48,439 --> 01:32:00,159
see if fucking just block it. It's weird because a

1552
01:32:00,159 --> 01:32:03,960
lot of these people have like multiple they just sit

1553
01:32:04,039 --> 01:32:15,960
here like making accounts. Uh huh, hey, j how you doing.

1554
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 42: Yeah, I had a question regarding your understanding of the ecclesiology. Okay,

1555
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,960
I would like to propose that the Protestant Church has

1556
01:32:27,039 --> 01:32:30,840
the actual most Catholic approach to ecclesiology.

1557
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:32,399
Speaker 6: There is no there is no such thing as a

1558
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:35,479
Protestant church. There's a thousand different sects. So when you

1559
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:38,039
act like there's one Protestant church, that's totally deceptive.

1560
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 42: When I say Protestant, I'm talking about the ecclesial.

1561
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:46,239
Speaker 6: There is no a Protestant ecclesial church. That doesn't exist.

1562
01:32:48,039 --> 01:32:52,239
So Protestants don't exist. There is no ecclesiology of Protestantism

1563
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:54,680
because there's thirty thousand different Protestant sects.

1564
01:32:56,199 --> 01:32:58,279
Speaker 20: Right, But what is the same views they have in

1565
01:32:58,359 --> 01:32:59,680
common up to the core doctrines?

1566
01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 6: Again, how do we know what the what the common

1567
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,239
core is? You're just assuming the thing in question? What

1568
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:09,079
are you not aware that there's confessions of faith within

1569
01:33:09,119 --> 01:33:12,520
the Protestant churches? I mean, are you aware that Lutherans

1570
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:15,000
and Calvinists used to kill each other over their disagreements?

1571
01:33:15,159 --> 01:33:18,119
So there is no common faith of Protestantism doesn't exist?

1572
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 5: Right?

1573
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:20,560
Speaker 6: But you are familiar with the five soul?

1574
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 7: Is right?

1575
01:33:21,039 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 6: It doesn't exist. Do you don't even have a consistent

1576
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:27,479
interpretation of what that means? Yeah? Exactly.

1577
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,600
Speaker 20: Yeah, So when you say that papacy is false, like,

1578
01:33:36,119 --> 01:33:37,840
what are you what is your definition of papacy?

1579
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:40,279
Speaker 6: Vatican one?

1580
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:43,520
Speaker 20: So are you just gonna say Vatican one and not

1581
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:44,359
actually define it?

1582
01:33:45,239 --> 01:33:47,039
Speaker 6: Well, it tells me. It lets me know whether or

1583
01:33:47,079 --> 01:33:48,520
not you read it or not. Have you read it?

1584
01:33:50,399 --> 01:33:50,760
Why are you?

1585
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:52,760
Speaker 20: Why are you dodging? You stayed the dodging?

1586
01:33:55,159 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 6: Have you read it?

1587
01:33:58,319 --> 01:33:58,359
Speaker 1: So?

1588
01:33:58,600 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 6: Yeah? Exactly?

1589
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:03,239
Speaker 16: How's it going?

1590
01:34:03,319 --> 01:34:03,479
Speaker 1: Jay?

1591
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:03,880
Speaker 10: How are you doing?

1592
01:34:05,239 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 6: Yep?

1593
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:07,520
Speaker 1: I do hope?

1594
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:10,199
Speaker 5: So I have a quick question, So how do you

1595
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:14,680
interpret can't nothing that's ary with his?

1596
01:34:15,359 --> 01:34:18,560
Speaker 16: So in the sixth Council of Constantople, I'm pretty sure.

1597
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:21,520
Speaker 5: It says that they were discussing you know, the addition

1598
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:23,720
of the phillyoquay to the Council of Nicia.

1599
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:26,239
Speaker 1: Correct, no idea.

1600
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:29,039
Speaker 6: There's there's no discussion of phillioquay at the six Secondmentical

1601
01:34:29,079 --> 01:34:30,159
Council and changing the creed.

1602
01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:32,279
Speaker 5: What are you talking about, well, not six, I think

1603
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:35,359
not the six secondary Noble Council constant Nople.

1604
01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:39,640
Speaker 6: Was it eight or six? You're talking about the Roman

1605
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:44,319
Catholic synods that try to add the Philly okuay, yeah, okay,

1606
01:34:44,399 --> 01:34:47,600
the Latin the Latin eighth Council, Okay, yeah.

1607
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 16: So they were discussing there and what's it quote?

1608
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:54,039
Speaker 5: So Pope I think Pope John the thirteenth he sent

1609
01:34:54,119 --> 01:34:57,960
a letter to Photius to state his position on it

1610
01:34:59,079 --> 01:35:01,119
on his life on edition of the filiok, with the

1611
01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:02,560
nice and constant opening creed.

1612
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 7: Have you heard about that?

1613
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 6: I mean, I've read a lot of Photios and he

1614
01:35:07,199 --> 01:35:09,479
argues against it, and that's the Orthodox position. So what

1615
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:09,920
about it?

1616
01:35:11,199 --> 01:35:14,079
Speaker 5: I'm saying, have you heard about the what's it called?

1617
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:16,279
Pope John thirteen's letter to.

1618
01:35:16,399 --> 01:35:17,279
Speaker 20: Photius about it?

1619
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:18,520
Speaker 6: Not specifically?

1620
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 16: Now, so in the letter, you know Catholics that they

1621
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:23,640
have like an issue with it.

1622
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,399
Speaker 5: They say it's corrupted, that Photius lied, you know, all

1623
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:27,079
these different things.

1624
01:35:27,239 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 16: There's no really no evidence of it, but I was

1625
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:32,239
just hoping for like if you knew or not.

1626
01:35:32,399 --> 01:35:35,319
Speaker 5: But basically what happened in it was in eight sixty

1627
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:38,880
nine when he was writing to Photius, he wrote about

1628
01:35:39,399 --> 01:35:42,319
what's it called that he called about the addition, and

1629
01:35:42,399 --> 01:35:44,439
Photius is like, he lets them know, He's like, what

1630
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:44,880
do you think?

1631
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 16: What's your position? Should we add it? Or like should

1632
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:48,239
we just keep it out?

1633
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 5: And so what he wrote was that anyone who adds

1634
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:55,640
anything to the creeds is Judas, okay is Judas is

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the Antichrist, and that it's wrong, and that the people

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who have already done it that we shouldn't like immediately

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take them out, but we should slowly and I quote

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slowly eradicate the blasphemen.

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Speaker 7: So would you say that.

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Speaker 5: That would be a good argument against the addition of

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the philioqui, because I know Pope Leo the third, Pope

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John the thirteen, several other popes have had like issues

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with them.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say that's a good good way to

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go about arguing. Sure. Now I'm gonna have to go

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live here with Kotel here in a minute, so anyway,

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it's enough of this nonsense, so thank you guys for that.

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It was about what we'd expect we had. We had

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a nice, smooth about the first thirty minutes of pretty

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good quality stuff and then you just get these like

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ridiculous people, so then they will report your your channel,

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so that's what you get, all right. I'll be live

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with Cootel in about ten minutes. Thank you guys.