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Smiling, The palm reader tells Nina that 39 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:02.159 she has a long life lifeline as she traces it 40 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:05.439 on her hand. As soon as the words are uttered, 41 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:08.400 the palm reader's facial expression turns to one of fear. 42 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:13.120 In broken English, she whispers, break, very bad, break in 43 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:18.240 the middle of life. Maybe you die. Nina does come 44 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:20.639 close to death at age thirty four, when she and 45 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:23.919 her family are involved in a serious auto accident. She 46 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:26.759 assumes she has successfully cheated the death that the palm 47 00:02:26.759 --> 00:02:31.879 reader prophesied. Unfortunately, the sinister and tragic break in the 48 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:36.039 lifeline and its deliverer are yet to be revealed. The 49 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:38.560 book that we're featuring this evening is Maybe You Die, 50 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:41.639 The true story of a couple living the All American 51 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:46.520 Nightmare with my special guest author, Nancy Lee. Welcome to 52 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:48.919 the program, and thank you very much for a Greenness interview. 53 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:52.800 Nancy Lee, thank you for inviting me. 54 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:57.960 Thank you so much. This is a remarkable story and 55 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:02.599 let's get right to this Maybe You Die. You opened 56 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:08.199 this fascinating book with your experience with a psychic name, 57 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:11.639 Mary Kubiachi, sixty year old, just sixty year old woman, 58 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:14.599 you say is very mysterious, and you at that time 59 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:19.400 were had your aspirations. You were a fashion designer. Tell 60 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:24.319 us what happens at this faithful meeting with Mary Kubiachi 61 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:26.800 this reading? What did she say? 62 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:32.360 That was my last day of school and she was 63 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:35.240 going to give me a gift, and she read my 64 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:41.319 palm and told me this and the shocking news that 65 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:46.080 maybe I would die. And then suddenly she just turned 66 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:50.120 her demeanor and says, but if you live, you live 67 00:03:50.360 --> 00:03:54.719 long time. And with that, my professor heard her and 68 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:58.400 took her by the arm and was dragging up the stairs, 69 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:04.000 warning her she's not suppose to be telling fortunes, right, 70 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:05.840 And then the books start. 71 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:10.319 Yeah, you also say that you asked her when this 72 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:12.960 thing might happen, This event might happen, She said, maybe 73 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:17.079 thirty or forty. But like as you say, if you 74 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:20.399 live long life, if you live, you live long life. 75 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:25.079 Now in the book, you segue right too. You being 76 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:31.319 in the hospital in dire straits, tell us what your 77 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:34.399 feelings are and tell us your predicament at that time. 78 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:35.920 Why are you there? 79 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:41.680 Yeah? The book starts at my being in the hospital 80 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:48.920 on the operating table and noticing how my mouth is 81 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:57.959 filled with blood, and I'm in an out of consciousness 82 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:04.079 and I hear people talking, and I asked them if 83 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:07.079 they would please to get a priest for me because 84 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:13.079 I'm dying, and some man's voice says, no, we're doing 85 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:18.720 all we can to keep that from happening. And then 86 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:22.079 all of a sudden, I hear a man's voice saying 87 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:25.480 that you've asked for a priest, and they said yes, 88 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:30.519 and he said, would you like to I would like 89 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:33.199 to hear your confession. Would you like to do that? 90 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:37.920 And it threw me because no, I wasn't looking for 91 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:41.439 a confession. I was looking for a priest to give 92 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:45.759 me the last last rites. And he said, okay, let's 93 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:50.240 go from there, and then all of a sudden, I 94 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:55.560 started with the pain was subsiding that I was feeling 95 00:05:55.839 --> 00:06:00.160 all over, and it just got quieter, and the voice 96 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:06.680 this got quieter, and suddenly there was I was in 97 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:11.600 no more pain, right. And then the next thing I 98 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:17.040 remembered was on the next day, and I think it 99 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:21.759 was the next day, and somebody was touching my head 100 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:28.560 and I'm I'm saying, oh, you know, I hurt. I hurt. 101 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:33.680 And she said, I said, these bandages, something is on 102 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:37.879 me and she said yes, she said, their compression bandages. 103 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:42.759 She said, there are parts of your scalp that are missing, 104 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:48.759 and she said that we have to put pressure on them. 105 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:52.399 And she said, you'll be all right? Can you be okay? 106 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:58.839 God is with you? Do you are? You are a miracle. 107 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:00.920 Right? 108 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:04.439 And you then go ahead. 109 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:10.839 So you then reminisce you are settled, and you realize 110 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:14.199 where you are, you have people, you are safe, your 111 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:18.079 friends come to visit, that there are people around you. 112 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:23.439 You realize that you're okay. Then you realize, as you 113 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:27.519 do in the book, you reminisce about how this all 114 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:33.720 started your marriage with Bob before your children arrived, and 115 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:36.439 as you do, you tell us about who you were 116 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:41.800 before you met Bob and you grew up. So tell 117 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:45.279 us tell our audience how you met Bob before before that, 118 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:47.279 how you grew up where you grew up. 119 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:54.720 I grew up in a Polish neighborhood in Chicago. They 120 00:07:54.759 --> 00:08:00.839 were all like little neighborhoods. And I went to both 121 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:07.600 at the Art Institute for a while and also the 122 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.360 Chicago Academy of Fine Arts is where I got my 123 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:18.560 my degree in fashion design. And I worked part time 124 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:26.720 at Marshall Fields and I I went to school over there, 125 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:33.960 you know, at downtown Chicago. I I was very happy. 126 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:38.720 I got the top job and offer, and it was 127 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:43.919 to design for Maidenforum. And you would think that that 128 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:49.279 is not That was the highest paid job then. And 129 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:54.480 it was just my last day, I mean at school 130 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:59.399 when Mary uh came and started talking about this. But 131 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:04.279 we had a big Polish wedding. It was supposed to 132 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:11.159 just be a nice, little formal wedding, and then Bob's 133 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:13.799 parents said, you know, we've been going to weddings all 134 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:17.879 of our years, and we would like all more people. 135 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:21.759 And before you knew it, our wedding that we were 136 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:25.279 planning was totally out of control and it was our 137 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:31.679 parents' wedding, and I made the dresses and the you know, 138 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:39.200 my dress, all the bride'smaid dresses. And then we Rich 139 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:45.519 was Bob Rich's cousins and that was helping me with 140 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:52.919 some of the stuff. But anyhow, Bob Bob wanted to 141 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:59.000 finish more schooling and so we ended up in Houston, 142 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:07.440 Texas for one of the most UH prestigious photography studios 143 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:10.360 in the world. And I got that job as a 144 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:15.720 receptionist just because UH our Before that, we lived in 145 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:21.480 Bloomington as he finished the year before, and I worked 146 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:24.080 at a studio and they suggested I go there, and 147 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:28.080 that was one of the experienced great experiences of my life. 148 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:33.120 They were associated with the back Rock Studio and our 149 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:38.879 clients were the President and the UH and the royalty 150 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:43.840 of the world. And from that we came UH to 151 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:47.679 the Midwest, back here for him to get his job, 152 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:56.039 and then I had We decided to settle down here 153 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:58.600 for a couple of years with the promise that we 154 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:03.879 would go back to Chicago and I could continue my career. 155 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:08.200 But in those days, a lot of us women UH 156 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:17.039 we we bent to our husband to their career, and 157 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:22.120 so I put mine on the back stage so that 158 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:31.000 we could further his and I had we bought a home, 159 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:36.360 a student home, uh no Ah, a student house for 160 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:40.440 college students to live. And so I had s seventeen 161 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:44.519 students that I had to take care of, plus working 162 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:49.559 my job and he worked his job. And I had 163 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:57.440 got pregnant and had a miscarriage and was told had 164 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:00.759 had to have major surgery and was told that I 165 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:05.320 would never be able to have children. There was just 166 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:11.600 too much damage. And so we adopted a beautiful little 167 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:19.120 baby girl, and then lo and behold, I got pregnant 168 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:22.360 and the doctor said there was no way, there was 169 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:27.039 too much missing, and yet there it was. I had 170 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:33.679 three children, and in the meantime we were into We 171 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:39.399 bought a pet, Saint Bernard, and then we took her 172 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:42.120 to obedience school and found out she was pretty good, 173 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:44.600 so they said show her, so we showed her, and 174 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:48.960 before you knew it, we were showing this dog and 175 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:55.639 getting interested in the breeding program and showing and Rich's 176 00:12:55.840 --> 00:13:01.480 career or his first name is Bob, middle name, but 177 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:07.120 we called him that. So Bob's career was had taken 178 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:13.120 off and we were doing well, and we decided to 179 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:21.240 build a kennel to board and groom dogs. And it 180 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:27.519 was so beautifully done that Ralston Perina came out, took pictures. 181 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:33.759 It was in the newspapers and everything. So now I 182 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:37.759 was at the head of that while he was working 183 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:42.000 his job, and we had people helping with the house 184 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:47.279 and the children, and life seemed very very good and 185 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:48.519 we were very happy. 186 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:54.240 You talk about then you were sorry you would talk 187 00:13:54.279 --> 00:14:01.360 about your career. Aspirations though that you actually wants. 188 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:02.879 Were put on the back burner. 189 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:06.679 Right, But your plans always were to head to Chicago. 190 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:09.080 But all these plans were on the back burner. But 191 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:12.600 let me let me ask you about your relationship. We 192 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:15.559 haven't talked about. I mean, obviously you fell in love. 193 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:18.840 It was you thought it was an idyllic marriage. You 194 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:24.399 had goals. He loved the idea of adopting. When you 195 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:26.440 realized that you might not be able to well, you 196 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:28.799 were told you weren't being able to have children. When 197 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:30.960 you did have children, he was excited. He was a 198 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:34.879 good father, he was a participant. Your marriage was strong. 199 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:38.639 So you thought, these are the kinds of things in 200 00:14:38.679 --> 00:14:42.799 his personality that you loved about him. And at some 201 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:47.799 point during this time, things changed, but it took a 202 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:51.159 long time for you to see any changes in him whatsoever. 203 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:53.639 He was a happy person, you said, at some point 204 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:58.840 before you noticed anything untoward, you noticed a difference in 205 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:01.639 his behavi just towards you. 206 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:07.200 His his his person he was. He was such a 207 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:13.919 jovial person. He loved everybody, and everybody loved him. And 208 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:21.000 I mean I never never would think that he would 209 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:25.240 not just be the perfect husband as he had been 210 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:31.519 a wonderful father. Oh my gosh, life was good. The 211 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:38.039 kennel was growing, and everything was beautiful. I mean, it 212 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:39.320 was just like a dream. 213 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:39.679 You know. 214 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:43.879 We couldn't have children, and then we did. And uh, 215 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:49.919 and this one day and he started a new a 216 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:55.759 new business for for someone doing his type of work. 217 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:03.120 And we had to go on a vacation to know. 218 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:06.080 It was before we went on the vacation, we were 219 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:10.960 invited to one of his nurse's homes for dinner. And 220 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:14.559 I said, and we had a wonderful time. And the 221 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:18.000 children were with him, and they had three children. And 222 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:22.639 I said to him as we got in the car, 223 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:27.519 I said, gee, I said, I can't believe how she 224 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:31.519 could have you know, the house that meet with three 225 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:39.519 children working and and it was just overwhelming that she 226 00:16:39.639 --> 00:16:42.639 could do all that. And he said, sometimes the house 227 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:51.120 isn't that clean. And suddenly something was wrong and I said, 228 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:56.879 you've been here before, and he stuttered and said, well, 229 00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:02.320 a couple times. Her husband couldn't get there to the 230 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:06.240 clinic to pick her up. So I drove her home 231 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:11.480 and we're in the car and he's starting it, and 232 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:16.359 it was autumn, and the little tiny leaves were dancing 233 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:22.640 across the hood of the car as he started it, 234 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:30.319 and I started shaking. It seemed I felt like something 235 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:34.960 is different in our life now that was never there before. 236 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:42.319 And that's when I first picked up on something I 237 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:48.039 had hoped that I didn't, that I didn't, that wasn't real, 238 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:53.920 But it was the beginning of the end in a way. 239 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:59.640 You talked about that when you grew up, your parents 240 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:03.480 seemed to always fight, and then you thought that Bob's 241 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:06.960 parents had a good relationship, and so you became You 242 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:11.720 did get close to these people and counted on them 243 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:14.440 for help with the children, obviously, and everything that ever 244 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:18.599 happened to you, including the accident and all the hospitalizations. 245 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:20.079 These people were there for you. 246 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:26.599 Always, and I was there for them to the day 247 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:36.519 they died. We had an excellent, excellent family relationship and 248 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:44.279 so but things started going wrong, you know. There was 249 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:48.039 just that stealing when we went to Florida. He's sending 250 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:51.079 little cards to the old nurse that worked with him, 251 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:56.559 not to this one that I was concerned about. And 252 00:18:56.599 --> 00:18:59.880 I said, you're sending cards because he never would send, 253 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:05.000 you know, a car to anybody. And it was just 254 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:10.920 another thing that started me worrying about what was going on. 255 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:15.039 And then one day I had to I had to 256 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:18.440 go to the kennel to get it opened. Waiting for 257 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:21.680 the receptionist to come in. I came back to the 258 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:25.079 house and bumped into him, and he should have already 259 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:31.920 left for the hospital, and I said, and he's standing 260 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:35.519 there holding sleeping bags that I came from the girl's closet. 261 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:39.599 And I said, what are you doing? And he said, oh, 262 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:43.720 I noticed these needed repairing. And I said they need 263 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:48.799 repairing and I said, they don't need repairing. What are 264 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:52.680 you doing in their closet? He said, He said that. 265 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.519 I just looked at something was sticking out of the 266 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:59.480 of the shelf and I walked by and I picked 267 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:01.440 him up, and I was gonna show it to you 268 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:07.400 and thought that there was something wrong. So I at 269 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:12.160 that point was thinking, no, he's taking them out somewhere 270 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:16.839 for the afternoon, for the lunch, to go to the 271 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:23.960 park or something like that. And that was my first thing. Mm. 272 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:29.440 Then there were other instances where I knew that he 273 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:38.279 was going out at night and sneaking in and realized 274 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:42.039 that there was something going on. And and I had 275 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:45.279 to go to the university with a puppy and leave 276 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:48.240 my youngest son with one of my friends who had 277 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:52.640 a child that age. And when I left him, sh 278 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:56.480 I was shaking all over. That was the day rather 279 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:00.200 that the b they he was had the blank it's 280 00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:04.000 And she said, what's the matter And I said nothing, 281 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:06.720 and she said, yes, there is something, and she said 282 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:08.960 you need to sit down and listen to what I 283 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:12.720 have to say. And she said, all of us in 284 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:17.880 the kennel club are getting these strange phone calls and 285 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:22.279 they are just saying how nervous you are and this, 286 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:24.920 And she said, we all know you better than that. 287 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:30.200 And she said everyone's talking, but nobody's telling you. She said, Nancy, 288 00:21:31.079 --> 00:21:33.920 she said, I think there's something going on. And I 289 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:36.720 said I do too, And I said I don't know 290 00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:40.359 what to do. 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And when he 347 00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:04.880 followed him, he followed him to her house. And then 348 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:09.079 an hour later he called me and said he's leaving 349 00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:13.160 and he had a flat tire and so there was 350 00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:16.400 middle of nothing, and so he had to call me 351 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:19.680 to tell me to pick him up. And it was 352 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:25.880 rather joyous and in a way because I knew that 353 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:30.720 I wasn't crazy, because that was really starting to, you know, 354 00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:34.799 work on me that I'm imagining that this great guy 355 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:41.799 could do this. So anyhow, I filed for divorce and 356 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:44.640 he said, no, let's go for consoling. Let's go for 357 00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:47.839 conson Let's go to this priest. Let's go to a priest. 358 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:51.279 He won't charge us. 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What kind of problems does he have? 368 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.680 And he's said, he says, my suggestion is you got 369 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:30.799 to see a psychiatrist, and you both have to go 370 00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:34.160 if you want to save this marriage. He said, but 371 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:41.799 my honest feelings are get the divorce, don't go. But 372 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:44.039 I know I'm not going to give up. So I 373 00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:47.839 went to the psychiatrist two times and he refused to go. 374 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:51.359 And then one of my friends says that she says, 375 00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:56.640 why don't we try my reverend. He's a Presbyterian and 376 00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:01.440 he was the head pastor at a one at the 377 00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:06.160 big prisons in the United States. She said, you can 378 00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:10.480 tell him anything, and so can so can your husband, Bob. 379 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:17.680 And I said okay, And we went to him for constantly, 380 00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:21.240 and for months it was very nice. Everything was like 381 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:25.839 back to normal. And then all of a sudden, something 382 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:29.519 is wrong, just something is wrong that I can't put 383 00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:37.160 my fingers on. And I didn't know what to do. 384 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:41.759 And I went back to the reverend and he said, Nancy, 385 00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:45.759 He said, I've never known a woman to say that. 386 00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:51.359 She knows. You're built in with special equipment in your brains, 387 00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:54.240 and you know something is wrong, and it is then wrong. 388 00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:57.319 She said now, He said, now, you must get out 389 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:00.640 of this. You must get out of this marriage. It 390 00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:04.960 is not healthy. And he said it's a man's world. 391 00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:07.880 You know, You've got to get everything you can, but 392 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:09.920 you've got to get out of this now. And I'm 393 00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:14.640 still not you know, just I'm not ready to let go. 394 00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:19.359 And but in the meantime, this story goes along of 395 00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:23.799 my being in the hospital and all of the day, 396 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:29.119 each day, each day something new in the hospital. Sixteen 397 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:34.880 days and ironically, we had been married sixteen years. 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