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Speaker 3: Here's your host, Jesse Sovier and Victor Nuno.
Speaker 4: Fantasy Hockey Live once again. Jesse Severe, Victor Nuno. That's
not all today, but we'll save that for a moment
from now. Victor Nugno of McKean's, of Dabber, of all
the places. How you doing today, buddy.
Speaker 3: I'm doing awesome, Jesse.
Speaker 5: As we sit here and record, there are Olympic hockey
games going on with NHL players.
Speaker 3: It's awesome. I love it. I'm enjoying it. How about you,
my friend?
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, let's get that going, Victor. I'm twitchy without
without hockey, but I'm twitchy without hockey. But now at
least I get a little bit of my fix in
between curling events. Victor, I'm all in on curling. During
this Olympics, I watched I think every bit of the
Corey and Corey US silver medal winning mixed doubles team,
and I really enjoyed it. So now I guess the
men's curling now starts. It will have well started by
the time people are listening to this, but it's starting
around our recording time. So, yeah, you're into the Olympics victory,
just hanging off for the hockey or what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Man, I love the Olympics. I love a lot of
the I was thinking about this. I think I love
the summer more. I think I resonate with the events more.
But Winner has hockey, and I like some of the
unique sports. I ski, so I like that and skating obviously,
but the curling, you're right, that was amazing And I
thought this was Canada's jam and they didn't even meddle,
so I guess I guess they can't claim that anymore.
Speaker 3: And it's an American sport.
Speaker 4: Victor, I don't talk trash about Canada anymore. That's how
this rolls.
Speaker 5: So this is one of our Tidy Takes episodes, and
just a little PSA for everybody. I hope you find
this interesting and important, even if you're not in the
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it as a jumping off point to talk about certain players,
their value, trades how we might be able to use
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of you listeners are not in the Tidy.
Speaker 3: Although maybe you should be.
Speaker 5: But the goal is really to make the information generalizable
and use these trades as a jumping off point to.
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Speaker 6: This welcome back everyone for another edition of Tidy Takes,
and we of course bring in our Admiral Ryan Downey.
Speaker 3: How you doing, my friend?
Speaker 2: I am great for the listeners. We're recording this just
as Puck is about to drop on the Olympic Hockey
Slovakia versus Finland, and so we're gonna hope and stay
very kind of concise here today. But if we get
a little distracted, it's probably because dallaboard Divorski has done
something on the second line here for Slovakia's bear with
Us here. But today is actually the beginning of the
recording of one of our favorite episodes of the year.
This is the Tidy Takes Trade Deadline Spectacular.
Speaker 6: Hey.
Speaker 2: I don't know about you guys, but I love this one.
In the Tiered Dynasty, our trade deadline tends to be
a little bit earlier than most because our format insists
on two week playoff matchups to make sure that the
most well crafted teams have the sample size to prove
that they are indeed the best. And yes, we had
our trade deadline at the end of January. This makes
this very trade deadline episode a nice resource for fantasy
managers who have trade deadlines upcoming post the Olympic break
as you contemplate the moves you're going to make to
go for glory. I was actually speaking with our former
Tidy Champion, I guess, our current reigning Tidy Champion, Mason,
the NHL Rankking, who also is the king of this
trade deadline episode usually and he says that this is
his favorite one of the year. And so with that
feedback in mind, we're actually planning to give you a
little bit more content from the Tidy trade deadline than
we have in years past. The Tidy managers this year
did not disappoint, and they gave us plenty of trades
to discuss, which we'll talk about today. But there were
also a number of trades from the three hosts of
this very podcast segment, Victor Jesse and myself, as we
each took steps in the Tidy to retool our team.
So we decided to do a whole extra episode breaking
down our own decisions facing the music next week alongside
this episode where we will focus on.
Speaker 7: The Tidy managers more broadly.
Speaker 2: So enjoy this episode today and keep an eye on
the podcast feed for next week, as Part two of
the Tidy Takes Tread Deadline Spectacular is coming. But for today, gentlemen,
we're gonna start with the Tidy managers, who gave us
so much content that we really had to limit it
to one or two trades per division, and we'll start
in the bottom tier three lidstrom, where the new managers
to the Tidy start the long climb to Tidy supremacy
and fortune favors the Bold in this particular division, which
usually begins with a startup draft or at least a
substantial dispersal, so there's a lot of players that could
get moved at any given time. These aren't players that
have been like fixtures on some of these dynasty teams
for a long time. And we're trying to see what
happens when we put all the puzzle pieces together. And
the first two managers that we're going to talk about
today Backseat Baseline and Western Stars. Certainly we're moving the
pieces around the chessboard. This is a huge trade and
so lots of prospects for you to discuss, Victor, So,
I hope you've got your all your tabs open. We've
got the Western Stars acquiring the Clubs Bluejackets, top line
wing your career, Kirol Marchenko, goaltender archer Oktyamov in the
Toronto system, and backup goaltender for the Detroit Red Wings,
Cam Talbot for a veritable Schmorgas board of prospects from
the Backseat Baseline. Bradley Nadou, Dmitri Bouchell, mccoff, Gabe Perrot,
Consta Holanious Berkeley Catton. Western Stars had this to say,
it was a painful trade that he likes following prospects
and had to decide to give up a bunch of
future for present to try and take a shot at
promotion rather than patiently wait. Pretty smart move in the
first year of the tidy, if you ask me, it
was hard to put together a win win trade and
in the end the Western Stars agreed to the best
deal they could find to help them this year. At
the backseat baseline is the team that acquired all of
these great prospects for giving up Marchenko, Talbot and Okayamov,
and he had this to say about each of them.
That Pirot was already online two for the Rangers, and
he had a feeling they would trade some players like
Paneren good feeling, so he would only get more opportunities
the season would progress, and as of the Olympic line,
he was playing on the first line the Berkeley Catton acquisition.
Here that he has great offensive potential but plays for
one of the worst teams in terms of fantasy, but
that he's confident in a year or two he will
be staple on their power play one. Bradley Dedoe seems
like a pure sniper, which Carolina lacks, and so either
he will get more opportunities in a year or two,
or he might be trade to another team as part
of a package for a star player, like they tried
to do with ranton In, and that new team would
put Nado in a position to succeed. Helenius was almost
point per game in the minors and that his ceiling
may not be as high as the others, but he
was producing decently with the Sabers did in his call
up and so that he could be a middle six
player starting next year. And that as for Buchelnikov, that
he was the oldest prospect that the team had, and
despite not having the strongest season, he was performing well
last year on a weaker team, so he figured his
dip in production was due to playing a lesser.
Speaker 7: Role on a better team.
Speaker 2: He believes that the prospects he receives are going to
be helpful when his.
Speaker 7: Time to compete comes. They strengthen his.
Speaker 2: Forwards and they offer him more options if they want
to trade for a d man or a goaltender next year,
while still allowing him to compete to have the first
overall pick in the next draft. He feels he gave
up the better player in Marchenko. People always say that
the team that obtains the best player wins the deal.
Speaker 7: But in the long run this will make his team
more complete.
Speaker 2: The Western Stars Victor finished the season in fourth place
in the standings and fifth in points four, so this
moved to pick a Marchenko could certainly put them over
the top. I think the question here is the cost.
Did did he pay too much for Marchenko? And I
guess can Talbot and archier Akchiamov.
Speaker 5: I think this is a perfect win win trade. Quite frankly,
I think that you got to give up a lot
to get someone who's well above replacement like cro Marchenko.
That's just the bottom line. He is a difference maker.
He's a goal scorer. You can get a lot of
points from that. Almost six fantasy points per game is
definitely pushing towards that really difference maker in the tidy.
Speaker 3: And then I think getting two goalies.
Speaker 5: Is really smart too, right, I don't know how much
Okaiyamov is going to play Talbot, even if they don't
play that much, just getting them in the lineup without
the game's played limit.
Speaker 3: That's pretty big. So it's a good win now trade.
Speaker 5: But Marchenko also will be good for years, so it's
not like there's limitation after this year. And then Oktaiyamoff
certainly could get more stars down the road, so he's
not just getting like a thirty seven year old star
right now. He's getting someone who will be relevant for years.
So I really like that part of the trade. And
then in terms of the backseat bass line, I think
that getting five really good prospects is pretty incredible. I
think at least two or three of those are super
high end. Keel Nikoff, I think we've talked about he
is having a really good season. He's injured right now,
but he's had some pretty good seasons in the KHL,
and I think that he probably profiles more as a
middle six, but he has upside for more.
Speaker 3: I think that it's getting crowded there in Detroit.
Speaker 5: He's a little bit undersized, but he plays really hard
and he plays bigger than his size, and so I
like that. I like that gamble. And then the other
four I think could be stars. Bradley Nadou, Gay pro Consolenius, Berkeley, Cadden.
All of those guys could be top six if you
know a couple of them, even top liners. Helenius has
had an incredible run he has he was eligible for
the World Juniors, and I guess. I don't know if
we ever really heard exactly why he didn't play, but
it's it seemed like he wanted to focus on being
a professional instead of going to the World Juniors, and
you love to see that. He was representing the Rochester
Americans at the AHL All Star Game. He's nearly a
point per game in the AHL this season. He's gotten
some looks in Buffalo and looks not out of place,
and he's someone who looks like he was going to
be a top sixer, if not top liner for the
Buffalo Sabers, and I think seventy plus upside is certainly
reasonable there. Nadeau is a goal scorer. That guy has
an incredible shot. We've already seen it in the NHL.
He's got a couple of goals this season. He's over
a point per game in the HL for the Chicago Wolves,
which isn't the best team, and they have an interesting
profile there for an HL club, but he's forty one
points and thirty four games. That's pretty awesome stuff. I
think Carolina just needs to figure out how to best
use him. That's my only concern is that they deploy
their forward sometimes a little strangely in terms of who
gets all the opportunity, but that's a really great asset.
And then Cadden, he's already in the NHL, not getting
the not having the best of times in terms.
Speaker 3: Of the deployment.
Speaker 5: We've talked about Seattle before how they do that, but
I think he is he profiles as a one see
if he can put it all together, so that remains
to be seen, but that's awesome. And then you have
Gaye pro who's one of my favorite prospects, who's a
little bit has been a little bit undervalued, I would say,
and he's already, as you said, playing in the NHL,
so that getting those five I think he got whale
worth the value. In fact, he might have even won
this trade, frankly if you look down the road, because
he's got five difference makers for what is at least
one one and a half or maybe two difference makers
for the Western Stars. But a good win win, a
win now and a win later. I think that's exactly
what dynasty trades are about. And I think if you're
selling one of your top assets like Crow Marchenko, you
got to get great value. You got to get guys
that are going to be difference makers, not just some
lottery tickets who may work out.
Speaker 4: It makes sense to me what's going on here, And
I've said it before on this show. You can only
take the trade you're offered in terms of getting that
best value to try to get over the top. I
am concerned whether Western Stars have enough to get over
the top. I've taken a look at the team overall.
They're going into the playoffs in fourth place, which means
they'll have to play a first round game, and they
actually have I think the fourth most points in the league.
Now what I would say some people will go all
in for Alex Sovetchkin or something. You better win this
year if you're getting Alex Sevechkin. Kerl Marchenko has a
significantly longer expiry date on him and the rest of
the Western Stars team. I'm very impressed in terms of
almost everybody is thirty or under. This team could be
extremely competitive with just what they have for several years
to come. So he's spinning out prospects for that chance.
Now that said, Marchenko is obviously a huge piece to
victory Oktaiyamov. I don't know if it's going to come
in particularly soon in Talbot. Talbot's only started one game
since January twenty second. I was looking the other day,
John Freakin Gibson is owning it. If you haven't notice
this year, Tom Gibson is out of control for the
Detroit Red Wings and Talbot is not getting a whole
lot of time except on back to backs. But if
you look at the if you look at the situation
that this Western Stars team finds itself in, they just
don't have goalies. They've got Rhymer and Omark and now
they've got Talbot, and now they've got Gustafson, which, by
the way, even though Gustavson's got a Wallsteed problem, He's
started the top fifteen. He's in the top fifteen for
most goalie starts too. In Minnesota there he really needed goalies,
and I get this strategy. It would have been very
hard for me to do that as the Western Stars,
just because I don't know if I would have felt
like this would take me over the top. But maybe
he's got to build to survive that and still be
one of the top teams for contention next year. As
far as backseat, getting these prospects to me as a
no brainer, there's a ton of value here. You could
have two of these guys breakout to be bigger than Marchenko.
That's well within the realm of possibilities. The different possibilities
could come out here, in which case you've done the
right thing here. Yeah, it's that both sides make sense
to me. I wish that the Western Stars had got
a little bit more, but I think it's still perfectly
defensible what they got.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Tidy managers agree with you, guys and
with me that to backseat baseline wins this trade fifty
two percent to twenty eight percent, with twenty percent of
the managers thinking that's an even trade. I personally just
think that with some of these guys already playing in
the NHL this year and some of them looking to
make their debuts in the next year or so, you're
going to get a lot of really valuable minor swing games.
Just looking at the miners eligibility for some of these players.
Bradley and Dede as of the recording of this episode
was at eleven out of his one hundred minors eligible
games Perro twenty eight out of one hundred, Hollanious eight
out of one hundred, Caton forty out of one hundred,
and on the other side of the trade, Okayamov has
only played one game out of his fifty for goalies.
I personally think you're going to get more value from
having those guys in the swing spots and being able
to rotate them up and down rather than having the Marchenko,
even though Marchenko's mentioned Jesse is young enough to still
be contributing for.
Speaker 7: A long time Victor.
Speaker 2: Before we move to the next deal, I want to
just pull out and spin on something you said there
that gave Pero is one of your favorite prospects, and
I agree. I've been a Gabe Pero fan all year,
shouted him out on keeping Carlson short shifts. I enjoy
where he's going, especially with the opening lineup spots for
him in New York. I want to contrast a little
bit with what you said last week on the Dynasty
Stock episode of Nashville and Colorado about Gavin Brindley. I
see those guys as similar players, at least similar archetypes.
I know that Parrot has about three more inches of
height on Brindley, but I see them as playing similar roles.
What to you differentiates those two players Brindley.
Speaker 3: And Paro, Yeah, I appreciate that. Frankly, I don't see
them as that similar, but I appreciate the question. I
just think Paro.
Speaker 5: Has so much more of I'm just thinking about his
brain and how he sees the game and how quickly
he makes decisions. So he's like a genius compared to Brindley,
who's like a smart player.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to say Brindley's not, because I think
he is. He can move things quickly, but the hands
that Pro has, the playmaking and the vision and the
brain to make it all work. Now, Brinley's certainly a
much better skater. He's got that energy, he's got that speed,
and Pro will never be accused of being a burner.
But he gets to spots before people do because he
knows where the play is going. He knows he sees
the play well in advance, and all of that is
going to translate super well, especially when he gets when
he gets a play with bigger, better players.
Speaker 3: You see it. You see how he makes he plays
with them. He makes them better.
Speaker 5: He anticipates, like he's just if he gets put in
the right situation, he can just absolutely thrive I'm a
little worried with what with where New York is going,
how that's all going to work, because they might trade
away all of their strong pieces and then who's he
going to have to play with, So that's a little concerning.
But I just think he's so intelligent and he's made
it work at every level with regardless of whoever he's
playing with. He just is able to dissect defenses, attracted tension,
and manipulate defenders like just about no one else. So
he that is a lead even at the NHL level.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the thoughts there, Victor. It's the conversation just
for the listeners that you and I have been having
on DM over the past couple days about Brindley and
where he can end up considering that the bff's and
the Tidy Lord Stanley Division picked him up this year.
I really have a vested interest in the player. So
thanks for sharing that. We're going to move from our
sub six foot wingers here over to the blue line
and some big beefy defenders to talk about here in
Tidy Yager with a trade between Mark tolpar Ufa and Marcus.
And before I even talk about this trade, I do
have to shout out Marcus, who represents one of the
great worst of first stories that we've ever seen in
the Tidy. Marcus finished near the bottom of the standings
of Tidy Lidstrom in the twenty four to twenty five season,
with the worst points four of any team in the
lowest tier of the Tidy, and he has turned it
around this season to finish second in the Omni fast
Track Race, losing it by a hair to Shane and
the Taiwan Travelers. Deals like this one coming up were
instrumental in him getting there, and he has a bye
week now as he waits for the winner of Ice
Picks and Jesse three po on the Tidy Yogur playoffs.
So great job, Marcus, and thanks again for giving us
a great trade to talk about here today. Marcus acquired
Rasmus Anderson and Jacob Trube to beef up his pro
roster defenders, both of them actually coming in at five
point two to one average Fantasy points per game, and
in exchange he's sent over to tolpar Ufa Mark's team
Cam York, r Tim Levshunov, Lion Bixl and Tristan Luno.
Marcus had this to say. At this point it was
starting to become a parent that I was in contention
for the Omni fast Track. No duh, so I wanted
to make a couple moves that put me in a
good position to maximize points four with the added benefit
of players with good playoff schedules. York was on IR
for a while, so he was earning no progress in
my Omni quest. While it might have felt like a
lot to give up as a whole, I picked pixel
off waivers for cheap. Luna was a throw in from
a previous trade, and while lef Shunov is going to
be really good, put a pin in that one. I
don't want to be in Yoger when that time comes.
Fair Truba and Anderson both came in and scored a
bunch of points, much more than I would have scored
if I hadn't made the trade. Mark was a great
trade partner. I'd let him know of my interest in
the pair, and he asked for lev Shunov in return.
I sent an offer with lev Shunov and he countered
with what we ultimately accepted great GM and I hope
the group he got in return are studs for a
long time. As for Mark, he said the deal came
together fairly quickly, that Marcus had been asking about Matheson
earlier in the year, and while he didn't think moving
it would make sense, he was aiming to make some
moves to position himself for next year as this was
definitely not his year. Barkov went down, followed by Jack
Hughes on that unfortunate restaurant incident. Ough tough injury luck
for Mark here and add to that Robert Thomas's troubles
this year and things were not looking up. So to
his mind, now is definitely the time to move Anderson.
He wasn't expecting Anderson's trade value to improve after he
was moved to Vegas. Getting Levshanov was his main motivation,
but after talking it over with some other managers, getting
York and Bixel included positions him well for next year,
and Luna was a nice addition to the package. He's
hoping that next year, with a healthier lineup up front
and a ritual blue line, that he can hit the
ground running. So how did Marcus do hear? Victor to
established NHL pros who, as I mentioned, average five point
two on Fantasy points per game. In the twenty five
to twenty six season in exchange for a quartet of
interesting young defenders, each with their own quirks and quarks,
with Levshinoff being the centerpiece here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is I think this is an interesting trade.
Speaker 5: You're talking about Anderson and Truba both in the low
twenties in terms of their rank, and for fantasy defensemen
in the tidy, they're both pretty high up there, above average,
giving you significant value each night, high peripheral floor, even
if they're not going to score a bunch, and those
are really safe players.
Speaker 3: I like that move. You're not worried about a guy.
Speaker 5: Who's maybe going to lose power, play deployment, or maybe
get traded to another team where he's not going to
be as valuable, So that is really nice.
Speaker 3: I think Marcus did really well.
Speaker 5: He was able to increase his points per game over
York and get a super high floor, and so I
think that was brilliant, and so that makes a lot
of sense what he gave up. It's interesting having all
six defensemen in this trade, right, that's a little unusual.
I think it makes sense to usually when people are
trading away top defenseman. One thing I always tell them
is get one of those types of players back, like
if you're trading two defensemen and getting back all forwards
or something that might deplete your your pipeline. And so
I think it's interesting here that he got all defensemen.
I might have suggested, why don't you get a forward
or something, mix it up a little bit. But nonetheless
I think that what he got was really good. Cam
York having quite frankly the best season of his career.
Maybe not that exciting at thirty seven point pace, but
he's playing the most minutes. He's got pretty decent, decent
priffs anyways, now so great for hits but good for blocks.
And he's forty point defenseman is nothing not too terrible,
although the four points per game in tidy is just
a little bit above average, but you got some value there.
The other three are really where it comes down to
and lift Shunoff. He has really struggled. I think you
were alluding to that, Ryan. His underlying metrics of even
strength offensive defense haven't been so good, and he's had
to have some benchings. And we talked about this when
he was coming up, that he plays such a wild
style that they were going to have to tame him
a bit and get him to play a little bit
more structured, and they're doing that, and I think that
he certainly can do that, and he's got a lot
of great instincts and offensive upside to be able to
retain some of that interest in fantasy and be a
good asset. But he's learning how to play within that structure.
So I think that he still could be and still
will be a valuable a good defenseman, but he's figuring
some stuff out. Bischell is interesting, and apparently it is Bischel,
even though it's ridden Bixel. Corey Prohman asked him and
he said, let's say it Bischell, Okay, whatever, it's a
favra thing farv So Bischel he is, I think.
Speaker 3: Turning out to be who he is.
Speaker 5: Like he's a guy who hits a lot and doesn't
really do much else. I'm not sure that he's ever
going to score more than twenty points in a season,
maybe thirty, but he hits a ton, and so you're
gonna have a decent peripheral floor there. The problem in
the tidy, though, is that he gets caved in, and
so that's why his fantasy points aren't so good, and
I'm not sure how much that's going to improve because
he isn't necessarily the best play driver. I think in
best case scenario he could be like a radical Guddas
type who actually does have pretty good value in the tidy.
But I think it's going to take him a little
bit of time to get there. Maybe he gets there
by the end of his one hundred games, but it
might take him a little bit longer. He does play
on a good team, though, so that helps the Fenwick
and the play driving and all that. So that's something
to think about. But in a categories league, you obviously
are aware of million Bischel, and he's gonna just keep winning.
You hits a category of hits, so you're going to keep.
Speaker 3: Him for that.
Speaker 5: If you're hoping that he rounds into more than that,
I think that you probably shouldn't be hoping that, because
I'm not sure that's gonna happen. And then Tristan Luno,
we talked about him on our previous episode. He's someone
who I it's interesting because last season he was really
good in the HL. This season he hasn't scored as
many points, but he has been pretty decent overall. And
I wonder why he hasn't gotten more of an opportunity
because he's had just thirteen games in the past three
seasons in the NHL. So it's getting to that point
where you're starting to wonder if it's ever going to
happen for Tristan Luno. It feels to me like he
deserves a chance. But Anah, I'm having some pretty strong
options back there already. Maybe they move him, I don't know,
but I think that he's a good asset to bet on.
I'm glad he wasn't the focal point of this trade.
I think getting left shoonoff is probably the key you
asked if you got enough. I think that personally, I
would have wanted a little bit more. Quite frankly, let me.
Speaker 4: Tell you about my boy, Marcus. You're right that worse
the first Marcus, I think a year or two ago,
by his own admission, would have said he's just learning hockey.
That dude is all over the place. He actually co
hosts Dynasty Sports Life with me. Sometimes we do these
four sports city Blender episodes that I've talked about, where
we do all of the players for all four sports
in a particular city, and I forget what was the
last one we did, maybe Dallas. We might have done
Dallas recently, but we've done multiple Marcus and I and
drafted who are the top pros, who are the top prospects,
who are the top Bowl guys? So this guy is
really Yeah, he's climbed the ladder quickly to the point where,
like I said, omni track, he's well in first in
his division and sensibly cashed in chips to get guys
who are scoring well over five points per game in
the tidy format, which is a very good score for
defenseman and something that will make him competitive in these
playoffs and in return. The other side of this was
also extremely rational. Rational. Mark is taking on descending away
two defensemen who probably are not going to be the
primary guys in their cities for very long if ever.
In Vegas and and Anaheim, there's lots of competition, and
he's taking on Lev Shoenoff alone, and then Cam York
and basically this whole crew I think are going to
be good for him in the long run. He's definitely
in a rebuilding phase. He's definitely building up. But the
other thing is, oh Mark, he has defenceman for days
on that roster. If you look, he's got I don't
know if I've seen that many defensemen on a tidy roster.
He must have over ten between his miners and his pros.
It's it's pretty crazy. So I think that's great because
that gives more opportunities for guys to hit. He's using
that depth to prepare for that, because sometimes people will
discount those six spots in your starting lineup are a
significant portion. It's what that's the forty percent of your
starting lineup, and typically guys in those slots are going
to underperform. He's going to have perform as this goes on,
and then he can build the offense around it. He's
already got a lot of young offensive players, So I
really like this for both teams. I think Mark cashed
out high on a couple of guys, but Marcus cashed
just in time to get them to push them to
the next division.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I guess it just really comes down to what you
think of r Tim Levshunov. I'm not sure it's possible
you could see Cam York become as good as Erasmus
Anderson or Jacob Truba. I don't really see it for Bixler, Luno.
As you guys mentioned Luno Victor, I agree with you,
he probably needs a trade at this point. There's just
so many options in Anaheim. I'm just not too high
on Levshanov myself. I just want to share a little
bit from Jeff Blaschel, who said that they were sitting
r Tim Levschuonov down and then eventually sent him down
to the AHL to focus on three areas, the first
being puck play, absorbing contact and making the right play,
the second being defensive fundamentals footwork and body position, and
third shooting technique. That third one, in particular, is a
bit of a shock to me. I know that he
has and playmaking bona fides for sure, our Tim Levshunov does,
But shooting technique, I thought his shot was maybe good enough.
If you're hoping for this guy to come up and
be this offensive dynamo eventually, it sounds like he has
a lot of work ahead to get to that point,
and the Blackhawks have no shortage of defensive prospects to
throw in his path, And so I'm thinking I'm getting
more into the side of the NHL defenseman here. I
just especially where Marcus is making this move. I know
the Tidy managers disagree. They like that kind of glutt
of defensive prospects and players going back to tolpar Ufa,
and I like a lot of those players in specific contexts.
I like Lion Bisell I own in the Keepan Carlson
Ultimate Patron Dynasty League. We're waiting for him to get
back and to give a boost to our hits category.
Really love that player. I've always loved Luno, I've liked
Cam York and his all around game. Not too high
on lev shutofv myself, and so I'm going to come
down on the side of Anderson and Truba here. Congrats
Marcus on a great season, and we're hoping for all
the best for you in the playoffs moving forward. I
want to finish before we go to break here by
going over to Tidy or and talking about the they
call me Demelo Yellow team, which is co managed by
two favorites on this show, Pish, Anthony Piscatelli and Zudo.
In some context here on these two trades that we'll
talk about from Demelo Yellow, Zudo took over the team
a few seasons ago, and Pish jumped in to co
manage this season formidable pairing between those two guys.
Speaker 4: Upon taking over the.
Speaker 2: Team, Zudo realized he had the mid team with strength
on the blue line and started his rebuild by sending
out Roman Yosi, Brant Clark and goaltending prospect Uel Blumpfist
for Leo Carlson, Lucas Raymond, Alex Texia and Nico Hesher
in an effort to get younger in the forward core.
They continued over the past offseason by shipping out guys
like Nazen Kadri and Darcy Kemper to acquire Alex Laferrier,
Matti Baniers and a top five pick which they used
to draft Caleb Danoie. So your typical rebuild of a
mid team.
Speaker 7: Here.
Speaker 2: Trade we're going to talk about today. The first one,
at least is a very simple one that will dove
tail us into the second one. So we'll roll into
the second one here, gents, they call me Demelo. Yellow
acquires Victor Nuno favorite right winger Justin Carboneau for goaltender
Philip Grubauer from the Lazy Lightning. It's a great one
for one deal here. Pitton Zudo say that they like
Justin Carboneau. He's a nineteenth overall pick and having a
decent season in the queue. He's got a lot of
upside and could be a top six player in the NHL,
which seemed worth a goalie that they grabbed off waivers
earlier this year in Philip Grubauer. They don't see Grubauer
helping their team once their players start entering their prime years,
and as a reminder of some of their players are
Caleb Danya and Lucas Raymond and Leo Carlson's on his
way there. So makes sense certainly that a veteran goaltender
maybe wouldn't be helping them two to three years from now.
For the Lazy Lightning, they were looking to add a
goalie for the playoffs and is betting on being promoted
this season.
Speaker 7: Good luck to you.
Speaker 2: So trading a prospect like Justin Carbonaugh for almost any
starting goalie was a no brainer to me, as he
doesn't see him contributing this season. Victor, this is your
opportunity time to wax poetic about Justin Carboneaugh.
Speaker 7: What have you got to say about this one?
Speaker 5: I think this is a a great trade for getting
the guy that you need Grubauer has been extremely serviceable.
I would say I think he's really resurrected his career.
Speaker 3: There. There was a while there where we.
Speaker 5: Were thinking, I know, on the offseason when we talked
to the guys over at Emerald City Hockey, we were
talking about how flabbergasid that they didn't buy Grubauer out.
He's it sounded like he really wanted a chance to
prove that he can still play, and everyone was really
skeptical about that. He had been pretty bad for a
couple of seasons there in Seattle, but he's been really
good this season. He's played twenty two to the Cords
twenty thirty three games, but he has more goals above
expected in eleven fewer games twenty one point seven goals
above expected is Delta Fenwick is almost double and the
Cords having a good season, but Grubauer is having even
better season. It certainly seems like a good time to
to acquire Grubauer.
Speaker 3: Will this all.
Speaker 5: Hold into the future, I don't know, but right now
it's working, and that's really great value for a guy
who doesn't take up a minor a slot sorry games
played limit slot. So that's looking really good. Carboneau. He's
having a bit of a down season. I think everyone
would agree in terms of his scoring, but it seems
to me that what he was asked to do was
be a little bit more good on all sides of
the puck, have a little bit more defensive acumen, and
he's he looks like he's been showing that. So that
looking at his Fantasy Hockey Life skater card, his loose
puck recovery, his puck battles, his fenwick, his defensive prowess,
his ability to be hard on those pucks and transition
game has all been really good. And watching him a
little bit, he's doing more than just speeding around defenders,
going wide and trying to score. So I think he's
his game is maturing. He's trying to make it more
pro ready. I think he got a lot of good
feedback at the camp, and so I think that if
anyone sees this as a stock down, it might be
a good opportunity to buy him. I think he's still
more likely a middle six forward than a top line four,
but I still think that it could work out for
him to play at the top of the lineup. So
I like this as a win win now a win later.
I think getting a goalie who's putting up that many
Fantasy points at least intermittently is really helpful. And I
think that Carboneau, Yeah, he certainly could be a top
six player for years to come.
Speaker 3: So I like it a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a people each had their own reason to
get it. I think Grubauer's expiry date is coming very closely,
but he is still of some value for this year.
So if you're going to be in the playoffs, one
extra out at the goaltender position makes some sense. Otherwise
it's a lower stakes trade to me, But Carboneaux still
got some potential to break out.
Speaker 7: Definitely.
Speaker 2: Jesse and I think this it's an interesting concept on
what I'm about to be up here, but I think
this Carboneau move seems like a move towards building the
young incoming core, like the Caleb Dye move as well,
that will support the Leo Carlsons and the Lucas Raymonds
as they enter their prime. And it's that concept of
marrying the primes, right, So you have Carlson and Raymond
who are entering their prime, and then you build this
core that will start to come up and use some
of their miners' eligible games and be very good that
the NHL teams would say on an entry level contract,
we don't use contract figures and the tidy, but you
get to have these kind of flexible young miners players
who can be very helpful to you while you have
your team being led by a Leo Carlson, a Nico Heescher,
a Lucas Raymond. And so I really like the way
that Zudo and Pish are approaching building that team, and
they continue to build that young core. In this next
deal with the Maltese Falcons, they acquired goaltender Joshua Ravensberger,
the current Pittsburgh standout rookie Benjamin Kindall, and the kind
of Washington standout goalie sorry prospect of Leonard. They acquired
those three great young players for veterans in Thomas Hurdle,
Connor Ingram, and Dougie Hamilton. Lots of great players here
to discuss as well. Jason from the Maltese Falcons felt
pretty good about his competitive roster, but if he wanted
a real playoff push, he had to upgrade, and that
meant cash again some of those young players, and if
he was giving up a stud like Leonard. He wanted
a defenseman who would be an upgrade over some of
his average three plus fantasy points per game defenseman, which
we've established as the average league player here at the position.
Enter Hamilton and the boxing match of counter offers that
he liked Hamilton's play at the time, especially with hughes Herb.
In the back and forth of this deal got to
the point where Archim Levschanov got brought into the conversation,
which was a step too far for Jason and the
Maltese Falcons. That was his only true young stud defenseman,
so he decided to offer up Kendall instead, and they
ended up landing with a classic win now versus future deal.
He gets hurdle Hamilton and took a gamble on Ingram
while Zudo walk away with Leonard, Kindall and Ravensburger Pish
and Zudo for their part. Ravensberger being a first round
goalie pick points to a high upside, still a bit
of a coin flip, and especially young in the funnel here,
he's a good pick for them. Ben Kindall having a
solid rookie year and his underlying metrics looks sustainable if
he stays power play too and first penalty kill. He
only needs a small uptick to be a useful forward
in the tidy Leonard being a former eighth overall pick,
and they think he has a point per game potential.
He's really the centerpede piece of this trade for them.
So they give up Hurdle, Ingram and Hamilton, two solid
veterans and a younger goalie who has potential for with
Hurdle and Hamilton still being productive, but they wonder for
how much longer they felt they had enough current and
minors eligible goalie depth that they can afford to give
up depth in that area. So the core pieces are
in place for Pitch and Zudo and they're looking forward.
Speaker 7: To next year.
Speaker 2: So yes, a continuation of the process of putting this
young core in place here, and I think it's remarkable
long term planning for pitson Zudo.
Speaker 7: What do you think, Victor?
Speaker 5: Yeah, this seems pretty even. I think that the if
it hits really well. I think the call Me Demelo
Yellow is getting some higher end pieces, but I think
that remains to be seen. Ravensbergen, I think certainly has
started upside. I know people are looking at a scar
Off is there, maybe he goes to another team, not
a scar Off Ravensbergen. I think that he's ways away.
He's got probably three or four more years, so it's
going to be a wait. But I think that he
has good upside, but that's a little tough to bet on.
Speaker 3: You have Kendall and Leonard.
Speaker 5: I think Kendall is confusing because he hit way sooner
than everyone was thinking, and he's fitting into that roster.
Sometimes you worry about that in terms of I think
about like Matthew Poatra, who had a really good rookie
season and then has been floundering since. And sometimes when
you just try to stick around rather than really be
able to show all your skills, sometimes that's a little
bit tough to turn it on later. So I worry
that he's going to settle into just a good complimentary piece,
which would be not as good for his fantasy value,
but that remains to be seen. Leonard, I think has
some really good upside here. But he is on a
well on a competitive team, and he's been moved all
around the lineup, and so I think he's been interesting.
I was actually just looking at him for a different
article and a lot of his underlying metrics are pretty poor. Actually,
he's been struggling with some play driving and he's been
struggling in some areas. So maybe it's a good bylo
for him because I still think he can put it together.
Speaker 3: He's still early in his career.
Speaker 5: But I think you got some really solid pieces to
bet on for the future, and what you gave up
was not that much. Hurtles a decent forward above replacement,
but he's that middle roster spot. I don't think that's
going to change too much. Ingram is a goalie and
Edmonton has documented struggles there. They traded one problem for another,
in my opinion, but he's been fine in his thirteen
appearances and he's I think Jari's the underlying numbers for
Jari have been a little bit better. It's interesting that
Ingram has played more games now. I think that's fine
to have. The value in Hamilton has been good recently,
and maybe he gets traded.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's interesting to see what happens there.
Speaker 5: But I think you've got some good win now pieces
that I think we know who that we know what
they are. And then on the other side, we got
some prospects who we don't know who could end up
being really good or could end up just being mad.
So I think that obviously that's going to sway how
things go, and we don't know where that is right now.
I think that was enough value for the guys that
were traded because they weren't like premium Masse sets, so
you wouldn't expect the more premium mass sets back. But
I think Leonard is the one you really bank on
because if he can be a true difference maker, then
I think they call me Demelo. Yellow is going to
be really happy about this.
Speaker 4: Another classic win now for future, and it makes a
lot of sense. Multie Falcon acquired Tom Shurtle, Connor Ingram
boring vet types at this point and Connor Ingram if
things go wrong with Trystan Jargy, you just never know.
Edmonton has been known to shake up their goalie situation
before whether Ingram would deserve jumping into the lead. It's
always one hot streak away and there would be some
wins to pile up there. Damello Yellow acquires three very
exciting prospects. If you ask me, Kendall has dramatically overachieved,
but at some point give the man a tip of
the hat and Ryan Leonard has been slow, but I
would want all three of these guys going forward. Then,
of course, the X factor Dougie Hamilton. I think I
don't think we talked about my Doggie Hamilton trade on
the last Tidy Takes. I think it's a little preview
for a future Tidy Takes episode. But Douggie Hamilton's an
enigma what we do with him. A traditional favorite of
Victor's and mine, not living that life like he used to.
He's got a Luke's problem, but then Luke Hues has
a Luke's problem too, so we'll see what this turns
out to be. I think there's a good defense for
both sides of these. I get where the Maltese Falcons
people are are maybe liking this a little bit more.
But these are three prospects I would love. There's so
many trades I've done where I would have loved to
get this return of three prospects. I would have probably
made this trade for these three prospects. Or yeah, these
three prospects.
Speaker 7: It makes sense.
Speaker 2: You guys host the Prospects of the Fantasy Hockey Life podcast.
Speaker 7: And so it makes sense that you would want to
do that deal. Jesse. I would too.
Speaker 2: I'm a big Ben Kendall fan myself. The feature of
these long term rebuilds is long wait times, and so
we will have to just wait and see to see
who actually wins this deal. But I think you both
are right that the value is correct on both sides here,
speaking of long wait times, we're going to ask you
to wait a moment, maybe not that long, as we
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Speaker 5: Ground.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Tidy Takes here, and we're going to
move over to Tidy Gretzky here with a very interesting
deal involving some prospects and current pros. A few familiar
faces also that we've talked about here on the Tidy Takes.
We've got mister Puddles acquiring Daniela Yurov, who is currently
featuring in the top six for the Minnesota Wild, Nate
Danielson center prospect for Detroit Red Wings, and Barrett Hayton
center for the Utah Mammoth from the Portland Pirates for
right wing prospect Philip meishar Boone Jenner and Ryan Donato,
who are both established pro players. The Puddles was a
win now team having just missed the playoffs on tie
breakers and became a win next year ISH team and
the Portland Pirates are a playoff team, and asked about Jenner.
Speaker 7: This is your.
Speaker 2: Typical youth for veteran player, and with Boone Jenner being
in a five points per game region and a twenty
thirty two ish year old UFA next season, it felt
like a good time to move off of old Boone.
They went back and forth a little bit, seeing similar
trades involving players like Jack Hymen or Victor Hedman getting
prospects like Zane Perek and Will Smith. So it made
sense for Boone a tier or two below those players
to get a mid tier prospect like Euroff, who seems
about a tier or two below some of those guys
like Zane Perek. He's not sure what Danielson's future is
in Detroit, but he has some promise. He was mostly
excited to get Eurof. If Jennery gets pushed down the
line up in Columbus or signs elsewhere as a middlesex guy,
maybe eure off scores similar lead to him with enough
Caprizov exposure as soon as next year. The other pieces
in meshar Donado and Hayten are bodies that didn't factor
in too much for the Puddles Joel who is the
team that acquired with the Portland Pirates. The biggest team
that he was trying to do is get as good
a player as he could by moving out a couple
of his bottom of the roster young players. He had kindled,
Damidov and Nikishin stuck in his miners and didn't really
have anyone truly worth dropping to get those guys in
on the swing.
Speaker 7: He had been.
Speaker 2: Shopping Hayten, Zeri and Cylinder around since they are younger
and having a down year. After lots of shopping, Boone
Jenner was the best he could find. Like you said, Jesse,
you take the deals that are offered to you. He
had to make a deal to free up some roster spots.
It wasn't the value that he wanted, but had to
make some short term sacrifices to try and make a
push for the playoffs, and ultimately the moves allowed him
the roster flexibility he needed to get those guys in.
To me, guys, it's DANIELI, You'rerov and Nate Danielson for
a busted up Boone Jenner and a replacement level player
in Denado.
Speaker 7: What do you think, Victor?
Speaker 5: I think Brad's pretty clear For me too, I was
looking at this thinking like it's really to me. I
would even simplify it and say it's about Danella.
Speaker 3: You're off.
Speaker 5: He is really good looking. At his underlying metrics, he's
actually incredible. This is his first season. He's already at
eighty two percentile overall for offense and defense. He's an
eightieth percentile defensive player, super strong, and offensively he's well
above average. I don't think he's just being carried by
the team. The guys he's playing with. They have really
wanted him to play center, and I think he's looked
okay at times at center. Sometimes he struggles a little
bit with some of the pace, but that's understandable. He's
playing for He's playing tough minutes sometimes. Right now he's
been relegated a little bit more to the middle six,
But I think that the early results were super promising,
and he certainly seems like a guy who could settle
into the to the top six. And I think that
two point seven fantasy points of all the guys in
this trade, I think he's the one most likely to
significantly increase his fantasy points per game. I don't think
that's super wild to say Nate Danielson. I've always said
he just looks like a guy. He is playing some
NHL games this season. I think that he profiles mostly
as the bottom six middle to bottom six center, which
I think will help the team. I'm not sure he's
going to be so interesting in fantasy. He will play games,
but I think in the tidy he'll probably be closer
to replacement level, maybe a little bit above that. And
that's really where Hayden is right Hayden has always been
there and I don't think that's going to change much.
Boone Jenner certainly has the most fantasy points right now,
but I think some of those concerns were voiced.
Speaker 3: Where does he play in the lineup.
Speaker 5: He's certainly playing lower and lower as they're getting some
of their prospects are maturing and taking more significant roles.
So I think that he's gonna, yeah, he's gonna be
a bottom six energy or matchup kind of guy. And
Donado and Mesha are just guys. I don't think they're
ever going to be anything more than replacement. So I
like the buttle side he's getting. You're off, And if
Danielson proves me wrong, then cool. But at least if
You're Off continues to trend the way he's going, I
think he's going to be He's gonna outpoint per game
Jenner at this in maybe a year or two. And
so he's the guy that I would want to put
my money on. I know he's been your guy, Jesse.
What what do you think about You're off here in
this trait?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're off. I don't know from a fantasy perspective.
This year, he's frustrated me. I'll be honest. He's he
doesn't seem like he's putting up the numbers that I
was really hoping. Maybe I just have caprizof dreams in
my head from the last rushing that came over to Minnesota,
and that's not fair to mister You're off. I do
think that side is the side that I prefer. But
I think we all continue to underestimate Boone Jenner at
our peril. I was thinking about dealing Boone Jenner in
a league this year. I think he was in the
fourth Sport league. Maybe it was the original Dynasty for
Fantasy hockey life. But boon Jender's not that old now.
He's playing a very physical game and he is we
don't know exactly how long the guy is going to last,
but I think he's what is he still thirty two
or something like that. There could be a lot of
years left in Boone Jenner. And when he's going, he
is continuing to score plenty for this team. So Boon
Jenner's not a valueless piece by any means here. But yeah,
the upside of year off and Hayton still does things
not quite as well as he did before. But yeah,
I think it's more even probably than the vote says.
But I probably side with the Puddle side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you brought up the votes there, Jesse. Seventy five
percent of the Tidy Manager's voted for the Puddle side,
with only eight percent voting for the Portland Pirates side.
Getting Boone Jenner, I think this is the perfect trade
to move off of a guy like Jenner, who I
personally think, well, he does have some years left, he's
had some injury trouble. I think you're not gonna get
a full eighty two at a Boon Jenner maybe ever again.
And to get guys so early in their funnel and
in their careers. Is Danieli Yarov and Nate Danielson. I
think you do pretty well with this deal here. Eureov
still has fifty games of minors eligibility left, so he
could still be a valuable swing up and down piece
as well for the puddles here now despite moving on
from another prospect like Philip Mashar, I think that's a
perfect upgrade for them. Victor, just a quick thought here
on Nate Danielson. I know that we've talked a bit
about how Detroit just always drafts the same kind of
three C middle six guy they started with Marco Kasper
went on with the Nate Danielson. You also have a
guy like Michael Bransig newguard. But just a quick thought
if you could spare it on Nate Danielson and where
you see him ending up, because I personally think you
look at a guy like Barrett Hayton, who's in this trade.
I think that's what you're looking at for Nate Danielson
as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's a good comparison. One of the
things that we talked about. It's funny we talked about
these three guys who've all seen some games already and
we've talked about them as better two way good all around.
The reality is that they haven't been that good at that,
which is like, this was your whole purpose in life
was to do this two way thing and to help
the play driving. But is his first twenty five or
whatever games in the NHL, but Nate Danilson has been
not great. Like his defensive metrics or forty second percentile
offensive thirty two. I never thought his offense was going
to be that good, but thought at least that he'd
be significantly better defensively.
Speaker 3: And it's just his first few games, so maybe he improves.
Speaker 5: Forty two percentile is better than whatever ninety nine percent
of the population. But I still think that he can
push up, push that up a little bit. But it's
interesting that he isn't already that much better defensively, so
he's still got a ways to go at the thing
that he was supposed to be really good at. I
think that you're right, he just profiles a third line
center team. I think Hayden is a good example. The
offense has never really been there.
Speaker 3: Even when he.
Speaker 5: Gets put into good situations, you get excited and then
realize he doesn't do anything that's probably going to be
what Danielsen does. I just don't know that he has
the offensive chops to really make all that happen. But
he probably will see some good spots here and there,
just like Hayden has. And they have options between those
guys you mentioned, between Danielsen, Casper, and Brendi Nieguard. I
think they probably will rotate those guys out of the
two s roll and see who sticks. I just think
that all of them will end up being a little
disappointing in terms of fantasy. I think that one of
them may stick, and maybe they'll push up to a
sixty ish point pace, but I'm not sure that you're
still going to be that excited about it.
Speaker 7: I'm definitely not excited. Victor.
Speaker 2: Barrett Hayden is the kind of guy, whether it's Redraft
Dynasty where he's too good to be in free agency,
but he's not good enough to stick on your roster.
If that's what Nate Danielson ends up being here, I'm
I guess I'm fine with that.
Speaker 7: I'm happy to get to Nil Yurov. Either way, we're
going to.
Speaker 2: Finish your gentlemen by looking at a couple of trades
from Lord Stanley. And the only reason I'm saying a
couple here is because this has been by far the
most active trading division pretty much since the inception of
the Tiered Dynasty, but especially this year. And it's off
the back of one manager who we've talked about a
lot this season, Donna Mystis, mother of Mason NHL ranking,
who is staying in the tidy Lord Stanley after some
great trading work and a tough start to the season
and just gonna rapid fire some trades that Mystics went
through here, and you can choose to talk about any
of the ones that you want to before we settle
on the final deal here, which is the big one.
Speaker 7: They that Donna made Mystix.
Speaker 2: And Mason combined for a trade where she sent Jonathan
Lecramaki for Ridley greg That's a trade that she did.
She also sent Away and Jay Copatar and Quinn Hudson,
brother of Lane and Cole for Luca Morelli from the
Simon Weekend At Corsi team, and then finished off here
with a big trade acquiring Alexander Barkov, Berkeley Catton, and
Dylan Garrand from Tidy Comish team member Pison Craftzer for
Sydney Cross being Claude Drue. You might recall that she
acquired Crosby from the BFFs earlier this year, so Mystics
no shortage of wheeling and dealing here to try and
improve her team looking towards the next year as well
as the current Tidy playoffs. Donna had this to say
about the big trade, that the offer started off with Malcolm,
but Kraftser insisted on having Crosby in the deal instead,
so once Berkeley Capton offered, she agreed to the deal.
Kraftsu said that he intended to move Barkov by the
trade deadline, which the BFFs were certainly in on. We
lost out here to Mystics, and so he was interested.
She was interested once she felt that she had avoided
the relegation round. Crosby was hard to move because he
is Crosby, but also he had helped her win last
season to get to the Lord Stanley. But in this
deal she gets a lot younger by acquiring Barkov, and
Kraftser gets players to help him in the playoffs, which
he needs because he is in that relegation playoff. This season.
She realizes that Barkov only averages about sixty seven games
per year or zero in this particular season, but acquiring
Berkeley Catten helps soften that blow. She likes Catton's upside
and thinks Seattle can use his skill set that she
believes he was a surprise to make the crack in
the season with no HL time straight out of the WHL.
As for Dylan Garran, Quick has to retire eventually, doesn't he.
I think it's a decided win for Donna here and
all of these trades, I think, but what do you think, Victor,
Anything jump out to you from Donna's trade deadline activity.
Speaker 5: We've talked about Donna being a smart trader. We know that,
and she knows the situation. She reads the room, she
knows who has what and what their needs are. And
you're absolutely right, Crafts are in the relegation playoffs And
this is just a tip of the hat for me
for this format. I just love that everyone has something
to play for, right, You either going for the championship,
you're going to avoid regular relegation. So in some leagues,
some managers aren't incentivized to trade, But in Tidy, especially
Lord Stanley, everyone really has something to play for, and
you get those teams in the middle who are safe
from relelegation and not winning, and they have assets that
they can part with now and then get better later,
and so that all incentivizes evone to have a flurry
of trade.
Speaker 3: So I love this, she identified as I did.
Speaker 5: Alexander Barkov is someone who did not belong on Crafts's roster,
and I try to pry him away from her from
Kraftser as well, and I couldn't get it done. But
kudo's to mystics for doing that, because that's exactly the
type of player you want to target, someone who isn't
going to be useful to that team now but will
certainly be good later. Barkoff is the absolute perfect candidate.
Probably not gonna even if he plays in the playoffs
for the Panthers if they make it. He's not going
to help your fantasy team this year, So let him
go to the team who's going to get the benefit
out of him next year, who doesn't need him this year.
And you know, Kraftser gets two solid pieces who should
really help him in those relegation playoffs this season. And
then Donna also gets a plus there, right grand I
think certainly looks like he could be a one bee
or someone who could get some NHL games fairly soon
as Quick has really fallen off. Sister Can obviously injured,
but Grant certainly seems like a decent piece there. And
I love having those goalies that you can just slide
in and flex up and down from the minor spots.
So that's a really good acquisition. And Caden, we talked
about him a little earlier. He's not having the most
value right now, but I think he's someone who certainly
profiles that he could take that next step in Seattle
and be one of their top players. He really should
be one of their best players, and at times he
has looked like that, and at other times he's looked
like a rookie who's still figuring things out. And that's fine,
but that is that's a really amazing piece of work there,
getting a true difference maker next year in Barkoff, and
then someone a year or two down the road who
could be one of her best players, and a goalie
for two older guys who frankly she would have probably
tried to move off of in the next couple of years. Anyways,
So this was an amazing trade. It makes me mad
because Donna's going to be a force for years to come.
Speaker 3: And that's just the way it is.
Speaker 4: Just as Mystics did with our reigning Tidy champion and
NHL ranking Mason Black for thirteen years, she's taken us
to school every day, and that is the case where
she has and I mean that Donna with respect and awe,
not with with bandery nor or gendered insults. This is Yeah,
this is an excellent trade, but it is, as you say,
a win win. Alexander Barkoff has got many years ahead him.
Sidney Crosby, what does he have? He can't have that many,
He just can't. Father time is catching up with him eventually.
And Claude Jeru. So she has substantially beefed up her
timeline for the future and sacrifice pieces that she will
not need in the present and in fact may have
just even as soon as next year. She may come
out on the better side of this thing, which is amazing,
which in which case, why would you not do it
if you already know that you're sure to stay in
that division. Kudos to Mistiics, to Donna.
Speaker 2: Victor neither of us could do better than Sidney Crosby.
I think that's a premium asset, and so good for
good for kraftser forgetting the set that he needed for
Alexander Barkov. And just to continue the praise here for Donna,
I think underlooked trade from US today is this acquiring
Ridley greg for Jonathan Lekra Maki. Jesse, this might be
the last time you could possibly even play the Lekora
Maki driver recorded a couple of years ago, because it
looks like he's getting some opportunity in Vancouver and not
doing anything with it. And if you can't crack and
get a good opportunity on the worst team in the
league when you're getting all the ice time, I don't
know if it's ever gonna happen for you. Good job
Donna forgetting Ridley Greg who is a very important part
of that Ottawa Senators team, and an underrated trade to
acquire Luca Morelli for retiring and j Kopatar as well.
So lots of great moves here from Donna. And you're
right to Victor, I'm afraid of what Donna's team is
going to look like even next year. I think it's
possible that we're gonna need to do some more work
to compete, and you'll get to hear about the work
that we did next week on the Tidy Takes. As
I mentioned, we're going to be talking about the trades
that Jesse, Victor and myself did to retool our teams.
Jesse in the Tidy Lemieux and myself and Victor in
Lord Stanley. We've had a ton of fun today thanks
to the great Tidy managers who never failed to give
us a ton to talk about. We're gonna be talking
about retooling next week, and so this is gonna be
an interesting look at how teams near the top of
the tiered dynasty are approaching this question of how do
you stay at the top of these leagues and for Jesse,
how do you become better to get to that.
Speaker 7: Top top division.
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fun and the break from setting lineups, and I look
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