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<v Speaker 1>A woman that would give her shoelaces, offers shoes if

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<v Speaker 1>she knew it would help you. Ruthie McCoy spent a

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<v Speaker 1>lifetime struggling with mental health, but she was entering a

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<v Speaker 1>phase of life where things appeared they may turn around.

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<v Speaker 1>That was until the night of April ninth, nineteen eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>when Ruthie would fall victim to the projects of Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>and her apartment would be broken into in the most

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<v Speaker 1>unfathomable of ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast and these graphic content and materials intend

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<v Speaker 1>for a mature audience. Listener dis question is a hey,

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<v Speaker 1>how's it going on, Nicle?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm bed you are listening to Wiken.

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<v Speaker 1>And Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>We stumbled every time.

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<v Speaker 1>I will literally fuck up the intro.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, we we do fail. We usually get it

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<v Speaker 2>good on the actual podcast, but anytime you start it,

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, what do I do again?

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I literally like, we're almost like approaching our

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<v Speaker 1>one hundredth episode, and I'm like, what do I do?

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<v Speaker 2>Which we are on? This is episode ninety eight?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well just wait, let's just I might have e

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<v Speaker 1>f this up to.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that was like kind of pitiful, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It worked you slightly like Crack the Seal a bit

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<v Speaker 2>before you I was like, eek, yeah, so ninety eight,

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<v Speaker 2>hey ninety eight, and which means on Halloween Week, our

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<v Speaker 2>one hundredth episode will be aired.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like we plan that or something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like we did.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh we didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>We certainly did not.

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<v Speaker 1>That would have been amazing if we plan that, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, So Halloween weeks coming up, a whole ass week,

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<v Speaker 2>seven days, awesome, great days of our podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we have a little schedule. We got it

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<v Speaker 1>all laid out.

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<v Speaker 2>We asked our patrons if they want to see the schedule. Surprisingly,

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<v Speaker 2>they're like no.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one person said yes, yeah, but it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was overwhelming because I was like, I'm going to do

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<v Speaker 2>a poll today if you guys want to know the schedule,

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<v Speaker 2>and just everyone started commenting Nope, don't want to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>And We're like, I was surprised because that one person

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<v Speaker 1>that said yes, Like I would have said yes.

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<v Speaker 2>As well, so I thought I would have too, But

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<v Speaker 2>I guess everyone just wants to be surprised and just

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy the Halloween week as it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there aren't many. I just feel like I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>said this to someone the other day. Actually, there's just

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of surprises in this world anymore that

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<v Speaker 1>are like good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, so maybe people just need some of that in

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<v Speaker 1>their life.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe. So while we're on the topic of patreons, we

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<v Speaker 2>do is shout out our patrons joined us this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank them. Yeah, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>So we had Jennifer Davidson, Samuel Elkins, Jacqueline Binzer, and

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<v Speaker 2>Lexi Jordan all join us, all join us over on

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<v Speaker 2>Patreon this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're getting behind the scenes stuff, they're getting some

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<v Speaker 2>extra episodes episode. Yeah, it's been a little bit quiet

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<v Speaker 2>this past week as we work on the Halloween week,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're making up for that during Halloween week because

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<v Speaker 2>Patreon is getting some awesome stuff over there as well

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<v Speaker 2>for Halloween Week two.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm excited. It's gonna be grand.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be super grand.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's gonna be good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So what else are you going to talk about anything?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yeah, we have a ton of photos that we

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<v Speaker 1>have to publish too.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, definitely of our.

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween stuff, we'd the run reel we did post was amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was gosh, I watched that daily. It makes my day.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and I just thought of something else. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if we knew this prior to last episode. If

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<v Speaker 2>we did, we forgot to talk about it. But Kate

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<v Speaker 2>Yup the Muckbang pod or YouTuber, posted another video.

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<v Speaker 1>The other Yeah, you were just like shocked. I was,

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<v Speaker 1>I should screenshot the text that you sent me.

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<v Speaker 2>I was blown away. I was like, no fucking way.

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<v Speaker 2>So that whole conspiracy just like blew up. There's new

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<v Speaker 2>shit going on. I'm sure, havingt dove into it, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I know the internet's ranting and raven right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, there's a lot. I know. Even some people

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<v Speaker 1>made comments about just like, oh she probably I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>how she feels that she's on like true crime podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>and then also people not even believing that that's her,

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<v Speaker 2>About how how she's dressed looks.

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<v Speaker 1>And from like what you can see of her.

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<v Speaker 2>And yep, I did watch the video. She commented. She

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't talk okay, so yeah, she doesn't talk to.

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<v Speaker 2>About her tooth, her broken tooth. She made some little

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<v Speaker 2>comments about that and stuff. So it's interesting. You should

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<v Speaker 2>go check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm actually okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair enough. You were obsessed with the case when I

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<v Speaker 2>talked about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Though I was a little bit, but also not with

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<v Speaker 1>like watch the videos. Okay, understandable, but I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly like hope that she's just good and she's

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<v Speaker 2>Ended up being a big conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that would be That would be what I

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<v Speaker 2>That's the ideal world. Yes, So should we get into it?

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<v Speaker 1>You ready?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready? What do you got for us?

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<v Speaker 1>So today we're chatting about the sad story of Ruthie

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<v Speaker 1>may McCoy, and so I'll probably refer to her most

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<v Speaker 1>as ruth right as we chat here.

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<v Speaker 2>You did post this on our socials to see if

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<v Speaker 2>people can guess. Yeah, through some people for a loop,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, because I actually thought for some reason that

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<v Speaker 1>a jerk. It was like, someone doesn't get this in

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<v Speaker 1>that we've almost ever put out for some reason. But

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it wasn't because it is misleading. It's misleading

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<v Speaker 1>because it can be other things, is the thing. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because some people guess bloody Mary and then some people

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<v Speaker 2>But we've covered both those already, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Have, and like because candy Man, like we were chatting,

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<v Speaker 2>There's a few cases that kind of get.

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<v Speaker 1>Referred to as candy Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this is not that, but kind of candy

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<v Speaker 2>man esque all at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll touch on that on the end.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, a little brief overview of this story, but

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<v Speaker 2>not all the details. Some stoked here the details.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay. So Ruth was born in Hughes, Arkansas, and

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<v Speaker 1>as it turned out, the opportunities did not turn out

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<v Speaker 1>to be what they had hoped for, which is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like a grass ain't always greener thing, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Her father ended up working in coal wagons and would

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<v Speaker 1>barely make enough to feed the family. But I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the family, that's a fairly large family to.

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<v Speaker 2>Feed, right, no kidding, I don't even want to like

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<v Speaker 2>feed the dogs half the time. You eat too much food.

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<v Speaker 1>Their doghood is expensive, like holy shit. So Ruth attended

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<v Speaker 1>but she would quit school all together in the tenth grade.

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<v Speaker 1>In her twenties, signs of mental health would begin appearing

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<v Speaker 1>when she started the habit of talking to herself. She

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<v Speaker 1>would also have unexpected outbursts of anger. Dang, so not great.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that was just a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Just oh yeah, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I know. I just want to just throw

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<v Speaker 2>that out there. I do want to feed our dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to get you.

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<v Speaker 1>Said, then I guess you said you don't even want

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<v Speaker 2>Don't even want to feed them half the time, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's oh, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Joke about shit like that all the time. That I

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<v Speaker 1>was just like, oh, that's just been joking.

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<v Speaker 2>Love her dogs, want to feed them? Oh they're just expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>People aren't aware on here that we're obsessed with our dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they haven't been listening to enough episode.

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<v Speaker 2>True enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Ruth never married and she was twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>but she did, however, become pregnant and was twenty seven

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<v Speaker 1>when she gave birth to her only child, named Vernita.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately for them, though, Vernita's father did not end up

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<v Speaker 1>sticking around, and this, rightfully so left a bitter taste

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<v Speaker 1>or bitter like. Ruth was a bit bitter about men

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<v Speaker 1>in general after this. Not all men are bad, but

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<v Speaker 1>that that sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not all men are bad, that is for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Not everyone is like that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I would say most people are not like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But still something like that happening to you, I could

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<v Speaker 1>underderstand why you'd be like.

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<v Speaker 2>He a dick, Yeah, definitely a dick.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely so. Vernita would bounce back and forth from her

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<v Speaker 1>relative's home and Ruth's home due to Ruth's mental illness

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<v Speaker 1>issues and having to on occasion be institutionalized.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Her mental health issues were later diagnosed as being being

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<v Speaker 1>a residual type of schizophrenia. Ruth worked many jobs, including

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<v Speaker 1>as a housekeeper and law dream man attendant, but her

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<v Speaker 1>mental health again prevented her from holding a job for

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<v Speaker 1>any substantial amount of time, and much of her adult

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<v Speaker 1>life was spent on financial assistance.

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<v Speaker 2>Mental health can be such a fucking weight.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I know, and especially back then, like I think

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<v Speaker 1>it every year, I feel like it gets a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit better where people are more understanding of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're talking about it, vocalizing it.

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<v Speaker 1>This was like, you know, seventies eighties kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and like so probably it was even harder for her

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<v Speaker 1>to succeed in life having that, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, we just watched the Candy Man movie. Yeah's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of loosely based on this. I'm sure you'll touch

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<v Speaker 2>on that, but there was that one scene where the

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<v Speaker 2>woman is like being strapped down in like a padded one.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, because they said, like she's going.

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<v Speaker 1>Crazy, i know, like literally her arms and legs strapped down,

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<v Speaker 1>which like they just wouldn't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Yeah, and then like injecting her with whatever. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, probably it's dealt with a lot different.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not having permission for doing any of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So in nineteen eighty three, Ruth's basement apartment in

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<v Speaker 1>But due to a long waitlist for the row houses

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<v Speaker 2>Huh no, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>So in May of nineteen eighty three, ruth moved into

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, at least she has a place that's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>It is, it is. It just would be really nice

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<v Speaker 1>if it was a better place, because you'll kind of

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<v Speaker 1>hear a bit more here. So it was a high

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<v Speaker 1>rise building near Southside Chicago Housing Authority project known as ABLA.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's how you go about pronouncing that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the four different housing developments that together form one large site.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's Adams, Brooks, Loomis, and Abbot and they total

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<v Speaker 1>about four thousand units.

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<v Speaker 2>Just shy of Wow, four thousands, that's sick a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot, But I mean Chicago is a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>big city, right, true. So Ruthie was in the Grace,

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<v Speaker 1>the Grace Abbot development, and sorry, sometimes I referred to

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<v Speaker 1>as ruth and sometimes I referred is Ruthie. For some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>but you get the gist. So she was in the

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<v Speaker 1>Abbot development, which was a fifteen story brown y shaped

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, that's where she got put.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, and so I'm probably gonna be referring to

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<v Speaker 1>the more so as just the projects going forward. So

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<v Speaker 1>the building so at described as dark with pitch black stairwells,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll just I don't have this written here, but

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<v Speaker 1>this black stairwells is pretty much because they would replace

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<v Speaker 1>the light bulbs often, maybe not often, but they get stolen.

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<v Speaker 1>So like, the stairwells were literally always pitch black, which

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<v Speaker 2>That's terrifying the issue whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>And the elevators most of the time weren't working, so

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<v Speaker 1>like shit, I mean, I guess you could just start

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<v Speaker 2>I yeah, but even still, I'm sure people are worried

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<v Speaker 2>about their possessions getting stolen or maybe. I mean, in

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<v Speaker 2>a development like that, I'm sure a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>may not have had the financial situation to even.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a fast right, Yeah, you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>And let alone if you have a flashlight, maintaining batteries.

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<v Speaker 1>For it, because the next line here unpleasant people who

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<v Speaker 1>do not have your best interest at heart, were like

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<v Speaker 1>always lurking around the corner like you, Yeah, you had

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<v Speaker 1>to watch your back. One article I read said you're

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<v Speaker 1>crazy if you're not always looking over your shoulder. So

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<v Speaker 1>just a really unfortunate place for Roo, and I can

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<v Speaker 1>imagine many others. And they had no choice but to

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<v Speaker 1>live there, right, And Ruth lived at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>a corridor on the eleventh floor and her apartment was

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<v Speaker 1>eleven or nine. So yeah, huh, I mean there's more

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<v Speaker 1>I could describe about the places, but yeah, get the gist.

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<v Speaker 2>Places like that they break my fucking heart. Man, Like

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<v Speaker 2>people need housing, they really do, so they're forced into

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<v Speaker 2>the situation, just like Ruth is yeap oh man. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So being that Ruth was fifty three year old

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<v Speaker 1>year old year old, oh god, oh my gosh. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so she was like fifty three, Like so we've kind

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<v Speaker 1>of progressed here in her life.

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<v Speaker 2>Three years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifty three years old.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because I typed it fifty three years old, That's

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<v Speaker 1>why I stumbled. But yeah, so, like, I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not old, but it's not like young either, to be

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<v Speaker 1>living in a situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, that's not young and spry. That's that's

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<v Speaker 2>definitely old enough that whether you're in a good apartment

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<v Speaker 2>building or a terrible one eleventh floor is not easy

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<v Speaker 2>access exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So then she was also suffering from a mental illness

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<v Speaker 1>where she was known to look disordered and would often

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<v Speaker 1>curse at strangers. The project was not an ideal location

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<v Speaker 1>for her to live. What she, however, did have on

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<v Speaker 1>her side, though, was her size. She was not a

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<v Speaker 1>small woman at the time of her death. She was

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<v Speaker 1>five feet eleven and two hundred and fifty one pounds

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<v Speaker 1>and knew how to fight, so you could say she

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<v Speaker 1>could hold her own.

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<v Speaker 2>Ruth is going to kick your ass.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what you're saying, yeah, which is good. That's good,

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<v Speaker 1>right because I think it was an article where her

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<v Speaker 1>brother had commented that she knew how to fight or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So fucking go, Ruth. I like this woman.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, yeah, Ruth. So not long before Ruth's final days,

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<v Speaker 1>she was in the process of trying to create a

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<v Speaker 1>better life for herself. She started dressing better, and she

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<v Speaker 1>tried to be kind to everyone around her. Neighbors had

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<v Speaker 1>even seen her leave early in the mornings to go

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<v Speaker 1>to school to retrieve her ged.

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<v Speaker 2>Fucking everyone needs to be more like truth, just fucking kind.

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<v Speaker 1>As shit, And she had even mentioned wanting to become

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<v Speaker 1>a nurse, which I'm like at fifty three years old

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<v Speaker 1>and you're thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>That, like, yes, no kidding, that just bettering yourself and

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<v Speaker 2>bettering your environment and bettering the world around you, honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>She also became somewhat of a motherly figure for her

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<v Speaker 1>neighbors at the projects.

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<v Speaker 2>For fuck's sakes, I know, you're literally like breaking my

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<v Speaker 2>heart right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I really am.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>As an example, because you're in a lovery more, she

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<v Speaker 1>would go about opening apartment doors and if they are unlocked,

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<v Speaker 1>she would then like lecture caution her neighbors that they

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<v Speaker 1>needed to lock their doors. I'm like, our kind woman, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, that's the best.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. She can teach a Canadian how to be polite.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's how good Ruth is. Let's say that so now.

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<v Speaker 1>A reason that Ruth was starting to dress better was

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<v Speaker 1>because in February of nineteen eighty seven, she went to

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<v Speaker 1>seek psychiatric help and was approved to receive Social Security

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<v Speaker 1>income as well as federal aid for the disabled. This

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<v Speaker 1>help increased her monthly income from one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>four to three hundred and forty so like doubled it

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<v Speaker 1>really right. She also received a check for just shy

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand dollars, which was retroactive to when she applied.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, this excited her and it gave her hope

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<v Speaker 1>this money would give her a chance to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to move out of the projects. Yeah, and it may have.

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<v Speaker 1>It just may have. But but first it put a

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<v Speaker 1>target on her back, and this target led to her

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<v Speaker 1>murder on April nine, nineteen eighty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>How did he put her target on her back?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the people were noticing, so, like she had some

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<v Speaker 1>new clothes. Oh and like so I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>rumors went around or whatever, but people notice that she

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<v Speaker 1>had some sort of money.

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<v Speaker 2>It could even be like, oh, she's purchasing some nicer

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<v Speaker 2>groceries this week. Yeahh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, like it literally Okay, that's just enough to just

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<v Speaker 1>make you want to saw BROLLI oh man, like if

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<v Speaker 1>you think, if you think about it too hard, holy shit,

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<v Speaker 1>my heart. Okay. So on April ninth, oh, this this

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<v Speaker 1>gets worse, and I'm like, I don't even want to

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<v Speaker 1>do this. Okay, it's on April ninth, at around aprilty

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<v Speaker 1>five pm, Ruth herself made a call to nine oh

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<v Speaker 1>one in a panic, stating, I'm a resident at one

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<v Speaker 1>four four zero West thirteenth Street and some people next

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<v Speaker 1>door are totally tearing this down, you know. The frantic

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<v Speaker 1>woman being Ruth said, what are they doing? Ma'am? Asked

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<v Speaker 1>the dispatcher. Ruth's response is basically incoherent on tape, but

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<v Speaker 1>apparently the dispatcher caught her. Gist they want to break in.

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<v Speaker 1>They yeah, they throwed the cabinet down. Dispatcher says from

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<v Speaker 1>where Ruth says, I'm in the projects, I'm on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side. You can reach can reach my bathroom. They

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<v Speaker 1>want to come through the bathroom. The dispatcher, all right, ma'am,

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<v Speaker 1>at what address Ruth? One four to four zero West

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<v Speaker 1>thirteenth Street, Apartment eleven o nine. The elevators working And

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<v Speaker 1>a little side note comment regarding the elephant elevators working

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<v Speaker 1>is apparently authorities would come to the projects and if

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<v Speaker 1>they found out the elevators were not working, instead of

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<v Speaker 1>climbing the flights of stairs, say it went up to

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen floors, they would often just leave. Really, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>she's stating, like, help me, the elevators are working. WHOA yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like pissed when I read that.

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA, Holy that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is another heartbreaking thing. So dispatcher confirmed eleven o nine.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, what's your name, ma'am? Ruth said Ruth McCoy. Dispatcher,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I'll send you the police. The dispatcher was

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<v Speaker 1>not entirely certain what Ruth had been trying to say.

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<v Speaker 1>They were unsure what she could have meant by they

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<v Speaker 1>throwed the cabinet down and they want to come through

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<v Speaker 1>the bathroom. But even so, the dispatcher assigned a twelve

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<v Speaker 1>district car to answer a disturbance with a neighbor complaint

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<v Speaker 1>at Ruth's address. However, not choosing to report the call

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<v Speaker 1>as a break in attempt explains why the police had

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<v Speaker 1>not arrived before another nine to one one call was

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<v Speaker 1>actually made concerning apartment eleven o nine. The call came

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<v Speaker 1>from a woman who said she had been walking through

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<v Speaker 1>the hallway and her gunshots come from the apartment. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>at around nine oh four, another neighbor called and had

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<v Speaker 1>reported gunshot and yelling coming from apartment eleven o nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Two more police cars headed to to the scene. You're good.

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<v Speaker 2>No, fuck, I know, And I mean I'm I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>faulting anyone in this situation because the choice to go

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<v Speaker 2>disturbance or break an enter, it could that might be

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<v Speaker 2>a fine line. I mean, of course you should have

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<v Speaker 2>reported as breaking enter. But it's just.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing is, they get a lot of calls

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<v Speaker 1>for these areas, and a lot of them apparently like

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<v Speaker 1>aren't even legit exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's where my mind was going. So I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>faulting the dispatcher whatsoever. No, and I'm not faulting the

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<v Speaker 2>police whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>You may at some point here though as.

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<v Speaker 2>Of right now, I'm not. But the whole situation on

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<v Speaker 2>being in that position where, for example, those false claims

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<v Speaker 2>for example people the project situation as an entirety, paints

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<v Speaker 2>this whole picture of poverty in people being subject to,

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<v Speaker 2>for lack of better terms, the system, and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>this domino effect that's breaking my fucking heart. Basically.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm just like, it's just like a whole pile

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<v Speaker 1>of shit, really, Like there's just no good here.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So four police officers were said to have arrived at

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<v Speaker 1>Rufe's door around ten minutes after nine, so they proceeded

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<v Speaker 1>to pound on the door, announce their presence, and called

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<v Speaker 1>out for Ruth. When they received no answer, they asked

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<v Speaker 1>a dispatcher to attempt to call Ruth on her phone.

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<v Speaker 1>We think somebody may be in there holding somebody, an

429
00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:42.400
<v Speaker 1>officer informed the dispatcher over the radio. The officers listened

430
00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:47.200
<v Speaker 1>to the phone ring and ring and ring. The two

431
00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:50.400
<v Speaker 1>officers who were downstairs decided to drive over to the

432
00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:53.359
<v Speaker 1>project office, which was only a block or so away,

433
00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:57.279
<v Speaker 1>to retrieve a key to Ruth's apartment, but when they

434
00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:00.680
<v Speaker 1>returned with the key, the key they received didn't fit

435
00:22:01.000 --> 00:22:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Ruth's lock. This left the officers puzzled and wondering what

436
00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:08.759
<v Speaker 1>to do. They were not sure if they should break

437
00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:12.119
<v Speaker 1>into the apartment. Talking with neighbors did not help them much.

438
00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:15.440
<v Speaker 1>No one across the hall seemed to answer. The apartment

439
00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:18.400
<v Speaker 1>next door was vacant, and the neighbors in the apartment

440
00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:21.160
<v Speaker 1>down the hall said they hadn't heard or seen anything.

441
00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Snitches get stitches. It's probably the.

442
00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:28.039
<v Speaker 1>Act exactly exactly. Other neighbors on the floor said. An

443
00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:31.319
<v Speaker 1>elderly woman lived in eleven o nine. They say that

444
00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:35.039
<v Speaker 1>she always answers her door. One of the officers told

445
00:22:35.079 --> 00:22:38.880
<v Speaker 1>the dispatcher in a hesitant voice, and there's no answer,

446
00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:42.000
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if maybe she answered to the

447
00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:46.680
<v Speaker 1>wrong person or what. The officers then contacted the project

448
00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:50.039
<v Speaker 1>office again, but the janitor said she had no other

449
00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:53.319
<v Speaker 1>or he or she said they had no other key

450
00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:55.839
<v Speaker 1>for eleven o nine. So then at nine point forty

451
00:22:55.880 --> 00:22:57.920
<v Speaker 1>eight pm the police left left.

452
00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Fuck yeah.

453
00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:04.480
<v Speaker 1>So the next evening, police received a call from Deborah

454
00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:10.119
<v Speaker 1>lace Lacey, an eleventh floor neighbor of Ruth's. Deborah explained

455
00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:12.799
<v Speaker 1>that Ruth had always stopped by her apartment on her

456
00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:15.960
<v Speaker 1>way out of the building every morning and when she

457
00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:19.000
<v Speaker 1>would return in the afternoon, but today she did not

458
00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:22.640
<v Speaker 1>stop by at all. Deborah had seen police at Ruth's

459
00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:27.480
<v Speaker 1>door the night before, and she grew worried. Later, nearly

460
00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:31.799
<v Speaker 1>half a dozen police officers and four to five cha

461
00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:34.920
<v Speaker 1>security so like the security of the housing, I'm pretty

462
00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:39.640
<v Speaker 1>sure guards arrived at the apartment. Their knocks and calls

463
00:23:39.680 --> 00:23:44.000
<v Speaker 1>for Ruth again went unanswered. A majority of the police

464
00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:47.400
<v Speaker 1>officers thought they should break down the door to check

465
00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:54.839
<v Speaker 1>on her, like duh right. The security guards discouraged them

466
00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:57.400
<v Speaker 1>from breaking down the door, though, to check on Ruth.

467
00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:01.839
<v Speaker 1>One of them mentioned the possibility of the tenant suing

468
00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:04.799
<v Speaker 1>them if the police were to break in. Also, if

469
00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:07.519
<v Speaker 1>you break down the door, the security guards told the

470
00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.480
<v Speaker 1>police officers, you have to get someone here to like

471
00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:13.839
<v Speaker 1>secure it. You can't leave this. This door just broken.

472
00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:21.759
<v Speaker 1>So the police again shrugged and left. Okay, the amount

473
00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:24.440
<v Speaker 1>of like candy and crackers and shit that are just

474
00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:26.799
<v Speaker 1>shrubbing in my mouth as I was typing this up

475
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:30.799
<v Speaker 1>because this was stressing me out, like that is brutal.

476
00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:35.960
<v Speaker 1>It is like brutal. Wow, it's hard to even know

477
00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:36.599
<v Speaker 1>what to say there.

478
00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:38.839
<v Speaker 2>You tell me the police don't have resources to get

479
00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:40.319
<v Speaker 2>a door fixed.

480
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:43.240
<v Speaker 1>I know after breaking well, and there was so there

481
00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:44.880
<v Speaker 1>was like half a dozen of them and four to

482
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.599
<v Speaker 1>five security people. So like one of them can stay,

483
00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:53.200
<v Speaker 1>you'd think so the next day and this is day

484
00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:57.039
<v Speaker 1>three at this point, good old Deborah, thank you. Deborah

485
00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:00.759
<v Speaker 1>again notified the project office of her concerns. At about

486
00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:03.759
<v Speaker 1>one pm, a project official arrived at Roofs Store with

487
00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:08.599
<v Speaker 1>a carpenter who then drilled through the lock and lo

488
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and behold. Lying there, they found Ruth in the bedroom

489
00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:14.000
<v Speaker 1>on her side in a pool of blood, with her

490
00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:19.200
<v Speaker 1>hand over her chest. Thrown around on her floor were papers, magazines,

491
00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:22.599
<v Speaker 1>and coins, and the police were notified. And when they

492
00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:25.960
<v Speaker 1>arrived later and turned Ruth over slightly, a faint aroma

493
00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:30.440
<v Speaker 1>of rotting flesh rose through the apartment. The smell gave

494
00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:33.920
<v Speaker 1>the police reason to believe she had been dead since

495
00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:35.960
<v Speaker 1>the first day they came to check on her.

496
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, don't fucking say, bra.

497
00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Like, did the freak wow reports of the gunshots in

498
00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:44.359
<v Speaker 1>the freaking goddamn apartment not give that away?

499
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you would think so. Yeah, one of the officers

500
00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:52.480
<v Speaker 2>in charge must have been named Carl, because not cool.

501
00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.839
<v Speaker 1>Carl suit not cool. I just feel like more like,

502
00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:00.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it almost seemed obvious that something was wrong

503
00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:00.480
<v Speaker 1>in there.

504
00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh, definitely so.

505
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:06.440
<v Speaker 1>The medical examiner who performed the autopsy on Rufe's body

506
00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:10.480
<v Speaker 1>stated that she had been shot four times, most likely

507
00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:13.960
<v Speaker 1>with a gun of medium caliber. One bullet passed through

508
00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:17.559
<v Speaker 1>her left shoulder, another passed through her left thigh, A

509
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:21.640
<v Speaker 1>third entered the right side of her abdomen, piercing her lever,

510
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:25.440
<v Speaker 1>and exited the left side of her abdomen. The fourth

511
00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:28.880
<v Speaker 1>and fatal bullet passed through her upper right arm, then

512
00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:34.400
<v Speaker 1>entered her chest and severed her pulmonary vein. The official

513
00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.279
<v Speaker 1>cause of death was reported as internal bleeding.

514
00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Geez. They weren't able to retrieve any bullets, by the

515
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:44.160
<v Speaker 2>sound of it, which could have been helpful as evidence.

516
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:47.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, yeah, nothing ever said anything about bullets actually,

517
00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:52.680
<v Speaker 1>So Ruth was said to not have died immediately according

518
00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:55.440
<v Speaker 1>to the examiner, but because of the injury to the

519
00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:59.480
<v Speaker 1>pulmonary vein, which is like a main vessel in the lung,

520
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:05.599
<v Speaker 1>he doubts she did last long. So, I mean, I

521
00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:05.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know.

522
00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:08.880
<v Speaker 2>She probably wouldn't have been saved regardless what I'm trying

523
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:09.200
<v Speaker 2>to say.

524
00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so even if the police probably got to her

525
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:14.960
<v Speaker 1>and like rushed through the hospital, she probably would have

526
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:19.839
<v Speaker 1>died anyway, right. So she was later pronounced dead at

527
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:24.599
<v Speaker 1>Cook County Hospital at four thirty five pm on or Friday,

528
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:29.920
<v Speaker 1>April twenty fourth. So two men were arrested for Ruth's murder.

529
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:34.519
<v Speaker 1>They were both also residents of the projects, Edward Turner,

530
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:39.200
<v Speaker 1>who was nineteen, and John Honderas, who was twenty five,

531
00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and it was theorized that the men were aware Ruth's

532
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:46.279
<v Speaker 1>knew monthly income and thought she had stashed it away

533
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:47.720
<v Speaker 1>in her apartment somewhere.

534
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:52.720
<v Speaker 2>Wow, like brutal eh, no kidding.

535
00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:57.119
<v Speaker 1>So here's another kicker though, but how did these two

536
00:27:57.160 --> 00:27:59.200
<v Speaker 1>men get into Ruth's apartment?

537
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this part I know.

538
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Did she just answer the door, as it was mentioned

539
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:08.680
<v Speaker 1>earlier to the wrong people. Well, the answer is no.

540
00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:16.240
<v Speaker 1>These two individuals broke into Roof's apartment via the bathroom mirror.

541
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

542
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:23.559
<v Speaker 1>Like horror movie material right there, one hundred percent literally, Yeah,

543
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:26.519
<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk about that shortly here. It was in

544
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:29.559
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty six, so a year prior to Rufe's deaths

545
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:34.880
<v Speaker 1>that the medicine cabinet break ins began, which is something

546
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I just never even.

547
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Knew existed until research.

548
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:43.440
<v Speaker 1>I feel like sad that someone has to be fearful

549
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:47.799
<v Speaker 1>of that. So apparently the pair of apartments at the

550
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>end of each floor in the high rises have adjacent bathrooms.

551
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:55.079
<v Speaker 1>In between their medicine cabinets is a pipe chase of

552
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>about two and a half feet. If you remove six

553
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:02.279
<v Speaker 1>screws from one mass medicine cabinet, pull the cabinet out

554
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:04.880
<v Speaker 1>of the wall, crawl through the pipe chase, and kick

555
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:07.599
<v Speaker 1>in the other cabinet, you're in the next apartment.

556
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:08.720
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

557
00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Like fucked.

558
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.519
<v Speaker 2>It's basically a window facing a window. You kick one

559
00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:15.599
<v Speaker 2>in and kick the other out. You're in another apartment.

560
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Like that's insane to me.

561
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:17.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

562
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:19.920
<v Speaker 1>So in some areas of the building you can even

563
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:23.119
<v Speaker 1>climb vertically in the pipe chase to an apartment above

564
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:24.680
<v Speaker 1>or below the one you start in.

565
00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:26.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, that I didn't know.

566
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:28.920
<v Speaker 1>And people who live at the end of the corridor

567
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:33.880
<v Speaker 1>with a vacant apartment adjacent are particularly susceptible to this.

568
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.200
<v Speaker 1>Rus's building at the time of her murder was nearly

569
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:39.720
<v Speaker 1>thirty percent vacant, so there was a lot of like

570
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:43.359
<v Speaker 1>empty space, and I'm pretty sure the ones at the

571
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:47.519
<v Speaker 1>end were only the ones that had these adjacent mirrors.

572
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like everybody in there. So often gangs would

573
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.720
<v Speaker 1>take over multiple apartments that connected, while keeping the bathroom

574
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:58.960
<v Speaker 1>cabinet open so they could move or like make fast

575
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.839
<v Speaker 1>getaways if police or security were to come after them.

576
00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:02.440
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha.

577
00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:06.640
<v Speaker 1>When the breaking started, some residents would pull their coaches

578
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:09.920
<v Speaker 1>in front of their bathroom door or secure their bathroom

579
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:12.799
<v Speaker 1>door knob with rope before turning in for the night.

580
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:18.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh the buildings were designed this way, with the pipe

581
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.079
<v Speaker 1>chases behind the medicine cabinets to provide the janitors with

582
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:24.920
<v Speaker 1>easy access to the plumbing. You know, no one in

583
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.400
<v Speaker 1>their right mind would have ever thought something like this

584
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:29.799
<v Speaker 1>would be happening, and not to.

585
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:34.319
<v Speaker 2>Uh, to give anyone credit for you know, breaking and

586
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:38.519
<v Speaker 2>entering into homes. But I mean, that's some clever shit

587
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.279
<v Speaker 2>to find that out and figure out how to use

588
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:43.720
<v Speaker 2>it for getaways and stuff like that.

589
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:45.720
<v Speaker 1>But I feel like it has it would probably, I

590
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:48.160
<v Speaker 1>bet you anything, it was not smart or almost completely

591
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.400
<v Speaker 1>random someone doing some stupid.

592
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh, probably, but then like to take advantage of it

593
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:56.480
<v Speaker 2>for getaway purposes and stuff and like maze out through

594
00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:00.880
<v Speaker 2>the apartment building and stuff like that. It's relatively clever.

595
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:01.599
<v Speaker 2>Let's say that.

596
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, okay, okay, the last episode I said that

597
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>someone was clever.

598
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:11.279
<v Speaker 2>And you're like, now, okay, how's this. I'm impressed with

599
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:15.319
<v Speaker 2>the engine, Not even the engine. I'm just impressed with

600
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:15.920
<v Speaker 2>the situation.

601
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:18.039
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'll take it. I'll take it.

602
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:21.359
<v Speaker 2>It's some like fucking mcguy ver shit. Give him a

603
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:25.279
<v Speaker 2>paper clip and a rubber band and see what he does. So.

604
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, Ruth's murder did not receive a lot of media coverage.

605
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Many the theorized it was likely due to the fact

606
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:35.880
<v Speaker 1>that this happened to a black woman who had been

607
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:37.079
<v Speaker 1>living in the projects.

608
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:39.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, most likely, who also.

609
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Was not one hundred percent mentally stable. So like, that's

610
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:50.680
<v Speaker 1>really unfortunate. Residents are blown away, knifed, kicked to death

611
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:55.119
<v Speaker 1>almost every week, and that number apparently increases in warmer weather.

612
00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Two days after Rufe's body was found, unknown assailants used

613
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:03.000
<v Speaker 1>a stick and their hands and feet to beat to

614
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:05.839
<v Speaker 1>death a forty year old man who lived in an

615
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Abla row house. And three days after that, another murder

616
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.759
<v Speaker 1>took place outside of Rus's building, where a twenty five

617
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:16.079
<v Speaker 1>year old female was stabbed in the chest. Wow, so

618
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:19.039
<v Speaker 1>things like this were a weekly occurrence.

619
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:19.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

620
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:24.960
<v Speaker 1>The story did gain some attraction when word got out

621
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:29.000
<v Speaker 1>that Roof's killers entered through a medicine cabinet, but this

622
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:32.759
<v Speaker 1>didn't shock many who lived in the high rises. The

623
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:37.319
<v Speaker 1>janitor said, you get desensitized by what goes on here

624
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:41.799
<v Speaker 1>every day. It's animalism over here. That's the prevailing life

625
00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:46.039
<v Speaker 1>condition of the people. Animalism where you worry about those

626
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:48.920
<v Speaker 1>who are stronger and you care nothing about those who

627
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:49.519
<v Speaker 1>are weaker.

628
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.279
<v Speaker 2>Wow, those are some seriously heavy words.

629
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:58.079
<v Speaker 1>I know, so sad like and imagine his job is

630
00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:02.160
<v Speaker 1>probably just terrifying, no kidding, being like having to work

631
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:04.640
<v Speaker 1>in that, I mean live and.

632
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Work in it.

633
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:10.759
<v Speaker 1>It's yeah, it's all this bad here. So to conclude,

634
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Ruth has spent a majority of her life living afraid

635
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:18.279
<v Speaker 1>and filled with paranoia. She had her locks changed a

636
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:21.440
<v Speaker 1>few times, hosing records show, and I think one of

637
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:24.599
<v Speaker 1>the time she did have them changed, she never gave

638
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:26.880
<v Speaker 1>them the key, which is why that key didn't work.

639
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:30.960
<v Speaker 1>She tried her best to fight her internal battles along

640
00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:34.319
<v Speaker 1>with protecting herself from the exterior battles she was facing

641
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:38.000
<v Speaker 1>with her living situation. And when her life was taken off,

642
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:40.680
<v Speaker 1>taking off in a direction she had always hoped, her

643
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:44.440
<v Speaker 1>worst fears became a reality and she didn't deserve any

644
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:44.640
<v Speaker 1>of this.

645
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:48.799
<v Speaker 2>Fuck poor Ruth.

646
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, which brings us to two other things that

647
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:57.640
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to mention and talk about. First, Candy Man.

648
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:01.359
<v Speaker 1>So I've probably going to get some slack for this,

649
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:04.079
<v Speaker 1>but I literally just watched this movie like right before

650
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:08.920
<v Speaker 1>we recorded for the first time. Yep, yeah, I don't

651
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:12.639
<v Speaker 1>know why. So it's a nineteen ninety two film that

652
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>was actually redone last year in twenty twenty one, So

653
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:18.440
<v Speaker 1>now I want to watch that because we were actually original.

654
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:24.119
<v Speaker 1>So and remember when I said this was horror movie material, right, yep. Well,

655
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:29.880
<v Speaker 1>there are several parallels between Russ Murder and the movie,

656
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.639
<v Speaker 1>and I, yeah, I'll just go through these and then

657
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:36.440
<v Speaker 1>we'll chat about them after. So one being the fact

658
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 1>that the film also takes place in Chicago in public

659
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>hosting complex, and they did actually mention projects, they said

660
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:49.079
<v Speaker 1>the projects in the movie. And so while the horror

661
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:53.480
<v Speaker 1>flick references the Notaorus, I think they called it the

662
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Cambrina Green Complex in Chai toown, the real life murder

663
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.559
<v Speaker 1>took place at the Grace Abbot Home, which is not

664
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:06.360
<v Speaker 1>far from that. And the candy Man protagonist who investigates

665
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the site of the bathroom based killings in the movie,

666
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:13.039
<v Speaker 1>but friends a woman with a similar name to Ruth,

667
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:16.880
<v Speaker 1>and her name was Anne Marie McCoy, with Ruth's name

668
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:21.119
<v Speaker 1>May being Ruth May McCoy. So those are kind of

669
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:24.199
<v Speaker 1>the similars because that movie is like, when you look

670
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:27.559
<v Speaker 1>it up, it says it's based on something else, right, Yeah,

671
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:31.519
<v Speaker 1>but there there's a few things that you have to

672
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:33.840
<v Speaker 1>think that they took some reference from this case.

673
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:37.840
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent did. And there's actually something you said

674
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:41.039
<v Speaker 2>earlier a couple of minutes ago reminded me because you

675
00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:43.920
<v Speaker 2>said that Rufe's case didn't get much media coverage, most

676
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:46.239
<v Speaker 2>likely because she was a black woman and living in

677
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:50.079
<v Speaker 2>the projects. Right. In the Candy Man movie, Helen, the

678
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:54.199
<v Speaker 2>protagonist gets attacked while kind of investigating the area searching

679
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:58.480
<v Speaker 2>for the candy Man, and she says that she's getting coverage,

680
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:01.360
<v Speaker 2>but like, probably because she's a white woman. All these

681
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:04.079
<v Speaker 2>black people prior to her haven't been getting any coverage.

682
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, because she pretty much like got instant and

683
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:08.280
<v Speaker 1>they caught.

684
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:09.320
<v Speaker 2>The people the perpetrator.

685
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did this to her instantly.

686
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Because she's white.

687
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, so just just wrong, Like, and I do

688
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:20.079
<v Speaker 1>think that the they had to uptaken something from this.

689
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:24.199
<v Speaker 1>They had to. There's just too many little similarities that

690
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:26.559
<v Speaker 1>definitely it's not that's not a coincidence.

691
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the whole Candy Man definitely not taken from. But

692
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.719
<v Speaker 2>the bathroom window actually the bathroom mirror, and like the

693
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:34.400
<v Speaker 2>project's settings and stuff.

694
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one hundred percent they definitely took at least like

695
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:39.840
<v Speaker 1>what would be the word influenced.

696
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:43.639
<v Speaker 2>I guess influenced or inspired by yeah so.

697
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:47.119
<v Speaker 1>And then the second is a TikTok video that went

698
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:49.119
<v Speaker 1>viral and parched twenty twenty one.

699
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:53.400
<v Speaker 2>I heard about this, but I have no very little details,

700
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:54.280
<v Speaker 2>so I'm excited for this.

701
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:57.320
<v Speaker 1>It was interesting, so I did go about finding it.

702
00:36:57.400 --> 00:36:59.199
<v Speaker 1>So I think, how did I think? I just went

703
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:03.079
<v Speaker 1>to TikTok and typed in Samantha heart shoe, So Samantha

704
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:05.119
<v Speaker 1>and then the last name is h A r T

705
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:08.559
<v Speaker 1>s o E. And so she went viral on TikTok

706
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:11.519
<v Speaker 1>when she posted a four part series where she discovered

707
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:18.000
<v Speaker 1>a hidden apartment behind her bathroom mirror, a whole ass apartment.

708
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:19.159
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

709
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:23.000
<v Speaker 1>She noticed a cool breeze blowing in her bathroom and

710
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.079
<v Speaker 1>like she shows in one of her videos, and just

711
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:27.960
<v Speaker 1>there was no window or working air vent, but and

712
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:32.639
<v Speaker 1>she had covered the like the the hole that the

713
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:34.760
<v Speaker 1>door knob, I don't even know what you call that

714
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:36.760
<v Speaker 1>would go in, like she thought it was coming through

715
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:39.239
<v Speaker 1>like the door frame of sorts, I guess. But then

716
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:40.639
<v Speaker 1>she was like, I can still feel it. And she

717
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:42.920
<v Speaker 1>showed her hairs like her hair was moving like there

718
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:46.559
<v Speaker 1>was a breeze, right, And so as she went about investigating,

719
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:48.880
<v Speaker 1>she removed the mirror from the wall and discovered a

720
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.320
<v Speaker 1>large hole, and like most people I think at that

721
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.400
<v Speaker 1>point would just like call the landlord and be like

722
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:55.119
<v Speaker 1>what the shit, but.

723
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Like fuck this shit out sort.

724
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Of thing, like suit it up and went in there.

725
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Matt the balls. She must have like that.

726
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:06.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't know if I would be even

727
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:08.079
<v Speaker 1>to do that, Like that's a little terrifying. But she

728
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:10.840
<v Speaker 1>did have a friend over when she did this, which

729
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:12.039
<v Speaker 1>is a good thing I think.

730
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:14.880
<v Speaker 2>And then my first word would be getting spiders in

731
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:15.400
<v Speaker 2>my beard.

732
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:17.920
<v Speaker 1>She like she wore a mask and then she had

733
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:23.440
<v Speaker 1>like some sort of makeshift like headlamp thing. So yeah,

734
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:25.400
<v Speaker 1>she'm where am I here? I'm like all over the

735
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:27.519
<v Speaker 1>place because I'm kind of just like reliving those videos

736
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:29.920
<v Speaker 1>in my head. So then she goes through the space

737
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:33.159
<v Speaker 1>and then literally like it was running through this whole

738
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:37.559
<v Speaker 1>abandoned apartment. Wow, that's like no one's living in there,

739
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:38.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's.

740
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Just like is it furnished or empty?

741
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Empty? Pretty much like it's it's literally the most bizarre

742
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.440
<v Speaker 1>thing in the whole world. But then one of the lock,

743
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:48.840
<v Speaker 1>like the lock it was unlocked, So then you see

744
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:51.920
<v Speaker 1>in the video like she locks it. I'm just like

745
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:54.519
<v Speaker 1>at that point, i'd be like, I'm just so done here.

746
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:55.199
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

747
00:38:55.800 --> 00:39:00.199
<v Speaker 1>So her video obviously is being compared to Candy Man

748
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:04.280
<v Speaker 1>and Rufe's murder, right, So, like I said, she's seen

749
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:11.199
<v Speaker 1>locking this abandoned apartment behind that's behind her mirror, and

750
00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:14.400
<v Speaker 1>then she obviously goes back into her own apartment and

751
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:16.480
<v Speaker 1>then says she's like I'm gonna be calling my landlord

752
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:18.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. But I think like the moral of

753
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:21.480
<v Speaker 1>the story here is along with locking your doors and windows,

754
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:24.440
<v Speaker 1>you now have to be concerned about what maybe lurking

755
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:28.440
<v Speaker 1>behind your motherfucking bathroom mirror. Like I'm just like I

756
00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:31.239
<v Speaker 1>can I'm done. I'm like tapping out at this point here.

757
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:33.719
<v Speaker 1>We're just not safe. We're not safe.

758
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.039
<v Speaker 2>It's like the hide your kids, hide your wife thing,

759
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.360
<v Speaker 2>but it's like lock your door, lock your window, lock

760
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:40.360
<v Speaker 2>your mirror.

761
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Like Okay, I'm I know I'm safe in my tiny

762
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:45.239
<v Speaker 1>home because like our mere medicine cabinet thing is on

763
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:48.920
<v Speaker 1>the exterior wall. But like every hotel I go into now, dude,

764
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:51.920
<v Speaker 1>like I'm fucking checking, like I'm gonna have to check,

765
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:54.480
<v Speaker 1>like this is fucked just gonna.

766
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Be going around looking for a breeze or what.

767
00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:59.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and seeing if I can pull off the medicine cabinet.

768
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:03.079
<v Speaker 1>Just I'll probably end up like damaging something, no kidding.

769
00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:05.920
<v Speaker 2>But just don't say candy man and all times when

770
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:06.239
<v Speaker 2>you do.

771
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:11.039
<v Speaker 1>It, yeah candy Man or Helen Candyman? Am I allowed

772
00:40:11.079 --> 00:40:11.480
<v Speaker 1>to say that?

773
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:13.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

774
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:16.880
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, there you go. That's this case. This case

775
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:20.719
<v Speaker 1>is is sad. It's it's very interesting and like the

776
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:24.199
<v Speaker 1>things the show and now this viral TikTok thing, because

777
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 1>you're kind of like, oh that, like does that actually exist?

778
00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:28.199
<v Speaker 1>But it's like still exists.

779
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Can we put it in the show notes, like a

780
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.599
<v Speaker 2>link to the TikTok videos? Do you have a link

781
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:34.079
<v Speaker 2>or can we link it? I don't know. If we

782
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:36.199
<v Speaker 2>can link it, we'll put it down below, I think so.

783
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.840
<v Speaker 1>But she does like you just have to search. I'm

784
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:41.639
<v Speaker 1>pretty sure I'll you just search her name and then

785
00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:44.719
<v Speaker 1>like she has them pinned, so she has the three

786
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:46.840
<v Speaker 1>first ones pinned and then you don't have to scroll

787
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:47.320
<v Speaker 1>very far.

788
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but if if we can find it like a

789
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:49.800
<v Speaker 2>YouTube video.

790
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.039
<v Speaker 1>Or something, yeah, actually, yeah, there's because she was on Ellen.

791
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:54.719
<v Speaker 1>She went on Ellen, Oh yeah, you mentioned that so

792
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:59.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe we can find a link of that. So yeah, like, honestly,

793
00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:03.480
<v Speaker 1>I guess check your bathroom mirrors and I'll leave you

794
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:03.719
<v Speaker 1>with that.

795
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:08.360
<v Speaker 2>I have another request, Yeah, can we make Ruth the

796
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:11.599
<v Speaker 2>badass of the day for how kind she was trying

797
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:13.920
<v Speaker 2>to be and how positive she was trying to make

798
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:14.760
<v Speaker 2>the world around her?

799
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.719
<v Speaker 1>I know, like she wasn't. I don't believe she was

800
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:22.119
<v Speaker 1>really always that way, but she really had at one point,

801
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I think, decided to change her life and she was

802
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:24.960
<v Speaker 1>going about doing that.

803
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:28.079
<v Speaker 2>She was trying. She was in a desperate situation and

804
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:30.280
<v Speaker 2>she was trying, and that takes a lot of strength

805
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:31.360
<v Speaker 2>to even just try.

806
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:34.639
<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent. Yeah, she needs to be because this

807
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:36.559
<v Speaker 1>is so sad.

808
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:37.800
<v Speaker 2>So official, I'll let you name it.

809
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Yep, Ruth is the badass of the day.

810
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:43.679
<v Speaker 2>Awesome, Yeah, well well done in that episode? Could that

811
00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:46.079
<v Speaker 2>My fucking heart broke for Ruth that whole time? It

812
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:48.360
<v Speaker 2>was like slowly just falling to pieces. So thank you

813
00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:50.199
<v Speaker 2>for that. Yeah, much appreciate it.

814
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, gosh, what you do to me? So

815
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:54.719
<v Speaker 1>sleep with that? That's always your response, Sleep.

816
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:57.880
<v Speaker 2>With the Yeah, we got a lot more coming up

817
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:01.000
<v Speaker 2>next week for Halloween week, like I said, seven whole

818
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:04.239
<v Speaker 2>days in a row, epic stuff coming down the pipe.

819
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:05.719
<v Speaker 2>And even if you want to check out the more

820
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:08.559
<v Speaker 2>extra content that'll be over on Patreon, you can check

821
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:12.800
<v Speaker 2>it out there. We also have other social media like Facebook, Instagram.

822
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:15.440
<v Speaker 2>We have a website, you name it, so go check

823
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:18.039
<v Speaker 2>it out all links down below. Yeah, even if not,

824
00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:20.159
<v Speaker 2>you appreciate you still, Yeah.

825
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:23.920
<v Speaker 1>And get excited because next week, like Tuesday to Monday, right,

826
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Tuesday to Monday.

827
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:29.159
<v Speaker 2>Tuesday Monday, yeah, so that our normal Tuesday. Yeah, on

828
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:32.280
<v Speaker 2>the which is November one, we won't be posting that

829
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:33.679
<v Speaker 2>day because the whole.

830
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you're gonna be able to get caught up

831
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:36.360
<v Speaker 1>on the seven days.

832
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we need to catch up on sleep on

833
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:40.360
<v Speaker 2>that November first day.

834
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But honestly, until then, stay wicked