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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to KFI A six on demand.

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<v Speaker 2>Joanne, Thank you for being patient and welcome to the

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ Show.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi Jesus. My question has to do with being a

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<v Speaker 3>fairly new believer. I have a lot of background and

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<v Speaker 3>spirituality and other different walks of life, but being middle

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<v Speaker 3>aged and becoming a born again Christian at a later age,

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<v Speaker 3>I have a lot of pull to want to go

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<v Speaker 3>back to, you know, things of the flesh and the

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<v Speaker 3>world and things like that, and it's hard and I

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<v Speaker 3>I just sort of sometimes want to throw my hands

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<v Speaker 3>in the air and just say, Okay, this is too

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<v Speaker 3>hard for me. I'm I can't do this. So what

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<v Speaker 3>are your suggestions for someone being a newer believer that's

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<v Speaker 3>being drawn back to the other ways of the older life.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first, I'm very proud of you for even bringing

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<v Speaker 2>it up and recognizing it, because there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people that don't, or there's a lot of people that

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<v Speaker 2>pollute their faith with the luggage from other belief systems

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<v Speaker 2>or other things that they did or past lifestyles, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it was or may be, and they just pollute it

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of ignore it. So I'm proud of you

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<v Speaker 2>that you're even acknowledging it, and that you're brave enough

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<v Speaker 2>to even say, Hey, this is what I think is

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<v Speaker 2>going on, and I'm fearful of it.

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<v Speaker 1>The process is the same as anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Paul said it himself, and this is somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who had, you know, a later conversion by some standards,

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<v Speaker 2>said the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.

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<v Speaker 2>There is always going to be the pull of other things, always,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's other belief systems or just stuff you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the phone ringing things to do. There's always going to

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<v Speaker 2>be distract in life. They keep you from anything and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and the best way to do it is to build

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<v Speaker 2>patterns and habits like anything else. That's what you did

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<v Speaker 2>over those years. And other belief systems, other processes, you

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<v Speaker 2>spent time in them, and that's what makes it difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why you harken back to that, because you yield

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<v Speaker 2>to that which is easier, that which is known, versus

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<v Speaker 2>that which is new and more difficult. And so you

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<v Speaker 2>need to build new practices and that is that build

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<v Speaker 2>regiments for now, and whether it's reading scripture, going to

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<v Speaker 2>Bible studies, going to church, hanging out and fellowshiping with

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<v Speaker 2>other believers, both young and old, in different stages of

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<v Speaker 2>their walk, you know, signing up for the New Believers

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<v Speaker 2>class at your church, doing things that are going to

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<v Speaker 2>build good habits and new habits. And the more you learn,

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<v Speaker 2>the more though those old habits will fall away, the

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<v Speaker 2>more you build new ones and establish that relationship like

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<v Speaker 2>anything else. I mean, you know, you've been through breakups, Joanne,

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<v Speaker 2>and and you can be with the greatest new guy

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<v Speaker 2>and you're still going, oh, but that other person used

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<v Speaker 2>to do this, or you know that that just happens.

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<v Speaker 1>That's part of the process.

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<v Speaker 2>And you learn to see the newness of the situation

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<v Speaker 2>for the glory that it is and for the freshness

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<v Speaker 2>that it is, and those that you know, Scripture says

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<v Speaker 2>that the new person is created and the old self will.

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<v Speaker 1>Die and fall away.

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<v Speaker 2>And but that's a process too, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And I am doing all the things you just suggested,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, with Bible study and classes and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>other fellowship and things like that, And I am I

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<v Speaker 3>am doing that. It's just that I get sometimes to

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<v Speaker 3>a point where I get either exhausted, exasperated, or just tired.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure something new, it's much easier to go back to

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<v Speaker 2>the old ways always, always, it's just not better.

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<v Speaker 3>So I should just stay on what I'm doing and

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<v Speaker 3>no other suggestions.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I had a magic wand for you, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is what makes it worthwhile. And a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people say, well, gosh, what about this one?

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<v Speaker 1>About that?

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<v Speaker 2>But really the common sense and the practical are God

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<v Speaker 2>given and the solutions to these things. It's like saying, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I want patience. You know how you have patience having

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<v Speaker 2>to be patient, you know, and you know how you

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<v Speaker 2>build you don't you don't be careful when you ask

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<v Speaker 2>God for humility. By the way, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>forget that it comes with humiliation often. So it's these

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<v Speaker 2>things that you want and that are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>of your character have to come with time. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>it's the forging process. Like with steel. If if you

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<v Speaker 2>try and go for that, when you heat up a

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<v Speaker 2>metal and it gets that red hot appearance and they

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<v Speaker 2>into a shape that there's a cooling down process or

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<v Speaker 2>a curing process that they use, and if they cure

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<v Speaker 2>it quick in cold water, the metal becomes fragile and

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<v Speaker 2>brittle and can break easy. The whole purpose of forging

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<v Speaker 2>and to strengthen the metal and strengthen the new shape

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<v Speaker 2>is to slowly cool it down so that as it

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<v Speaker 2>slowly cools down, it becomes stronger and more dense. So

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<v Speaker 2>when you want something in life, if it's important enough,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to go through the process. You want to

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<v Speaker 2>take the time. If you rush through the process of

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<v Speaker 2>something important, often it becomes kind of a faux version.

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<v Speaker 2>It's brittle, it's fragile, it's thin. It may look the

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<v Speaker 2>same on the outside, but really it doesn't have the

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<v Speaker 2>same sturdy structure.

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<v Speaker 1>Soundness to it.

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<v Speaker 2>So what ends up happening is, Joanne, you leave today

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<v Speaker 2>and you try and do it quick, then I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to get a call back from you in a month

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<v Speaker 2>or two going, oh, it broke down and this that.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you slowly, baby steps, little bit of increments

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<v Speaker 2>to build that structure within you and trust that God

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<v Speaker 2>says in scripture that he is the author and finisher

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<v Speaker 2>of your faith. So although you participate in that, God

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<v Speaker 2>is doing a work inside you. And I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>build those things and build that structure inside you so

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<v Speaker 2>that you are strong and can withstand great things rather

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<v Speaker 2>than just on the outside. Look, well, she looks like

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<v Speaker 2>a Christian, smells like a Christian, sounds like a Christian. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>everything should be good, but no, I want it to

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<v Speaker 2>be a real, honest to goodness change inside you and

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<v Speaker 2>that that just comes with time.

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<v Speaker 1>Honey, that's just the process.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>You're welcome and you are on the right path. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very proud of her. There is a lot of luggage

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<v Speaker 2>out there as you or on your quest, and people

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<v Speaker 2>tend to bring it with them.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like talking to some friends of mine and they're

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<v Speaker 2>moving and not just moving, you know, from a house

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<v Speaker 2>to another house, they're moving out of state and the

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<v Speaker 2>process that goes with that, and it's interesting to hear

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<v Speaker 2>them talk about. You know, one of them's more sentimental

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, holds onto a lot of things throughout life,

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<v Speaker 2>and the other is much more pragmatic and practical. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>if you haven't seen it in a year, then you

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<v Speaker 2>don't need it. And to go through that cleansing process

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<v Speaker 2>of removing certain things from your life to move into

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<v Speaker 2>a new area or just you know, start fresh, and

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<v Speaker 2>those types of that's very difficult. It's very difficult with

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<v Speaker 2>the physical, with the you know, the tangible and the

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<v Speaker 2>things in your garage, let alone when you spiritually and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of you know, Christians, and you can't be

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<v Speaker 2>you can't fall into this when you're sharing your faith

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<v Speaker 2>that you act like it's not a big deal for

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<v Speaker 2>somebody to jump in.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, come into my pool.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you've been in that pool forever or you've

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<v Speaker 2>been in that belief system, but come over here. And

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes Christians do it as if it's a notch on

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<v Speaker 2>your belt, and it's like, oh, well, they said the

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<v Speaker 2>words were good, everybody's good, and they're done all right,

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<v Speaker 2>moving on next, next, And do you know Jesus Christ

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<v Speaker 2>is your personal savior. And meanwhile, this person is going, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>you picked me up and dumped me off in this

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<v Speaker 2>foreign land and I don't recognize anything, and I'm nervous

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know what I'm doing. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>those moves are are huge. And it's not just words,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not just the bat in the eye. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not just those things that make the you know, total

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<v Speaker 2>sum of the experience and coming to something new and

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<v Speaker 2>committing yourself to it. It's a process, and you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be shedding layers of skin from the old you

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<v Speaker 2>as you adapt and build layers of new.

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<v Speaker 1>Skin for the new you.

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<v Speaker 2>And I am proud of anybody who is bold and

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<v Speaker 2>brave enough to go through that and experience both that physically,

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<v Speaker 2>but emotionally and spiritually as well. Genna, Welcome to the

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello. Hi, what's your question?

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for taking my fall. It's great to talk

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<v Speaker 4>to you.

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<v Speaker 1>My pleasure. How can I help you? Thank you?

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<v Speaker 4>Question is why is Jesus Christ being referred to as

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<v Speaker 4>the God's one and only son?

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<v Speaker 5>As I believe that.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's about that we're all God's children.

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<v Speaker 1>Good question.

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<v Speaker 2>There's there's differences in the way it's stated, and if

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<v Speaker 2>you notice, there's also, you know, some capitalization changes when

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<v Speaker 2>it's spoken about in scripture referring to when referring to

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<v Speaker 2>me as God's son, versus referring to the population of

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<v Speaker 2>Christianity as children of God.

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<v Speaker 1>So you look at a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 2>The big difference is between the sense in which I

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<v Speaker 2>am the son of God and that all people that

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<v Speaker 2>are Christians are sons of God. So first you have

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<v Speaker 2>to look at the uniqueness, the difference of the son

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<v Speaker 2>of God that would put Christ as the son of God,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas everyone else is only a son of God.

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<v Speaker 1>Small ass.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because when you're dealing with Christ's deity and the

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<v Speaker 2>difference is between the two, Christ is the son of God.

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<v Speaker 2>With this capitalist for a reason humans are adopted, if

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<v Speaker 2>you will. So Jesus falls under the guise of son

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<v Speaker 2>of God by eternal right and inheritance. You read about

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<v Speaker 2>that in Colossians one fifteen. Whereas humans are sons of

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<v Speaker 2>God by adoption you read about that Romans eight fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>So Christ is the of God because he is God

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<v Speaker 2>in the very nature of God John one to one.

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<v Speaker 2>So the difference is really dealing with the nature inherently.

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<v Speaker 2>So you look over at man and you say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what about man? Well, man is created in the image

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<v Speaker 2>of God Genesis one twenty seven, and remade in the

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<v Speaker 2>image of via the redemption in Colossians three ten. So

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<v Speaker 2>you can think of it this way, I, as Jesus,

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<v Speaker 2>is of God by his very nature, but you are

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<v Speaker 2>as a human from God by way of creation. I

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<v Speaker 2>am divine in nature, but humans only participate in the

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<v Speaker 2>salvation and not the divine nature two Peter one four.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can participate only in God's moral attributes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like holiness, love, those types of things, but you cannot

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<v Speaker 2>participate in his non moral attributes like infinity, eternity or

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<v Speaker 1>The other.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are some differences there, and it's usually spelled

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<v Speaker 2>when critics ask A book by Norman Geisler has a

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<v Speaker 2>the natural son, no beginning, the Creator, God by nature. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically puts them together. Christian Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I am real quick. My phone might die

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<v Speaker 4>whatever I say. But there's been an overall theme. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>and more in these debates I'm unable to back myself up.

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<v Speaker 4>And I say debates because I actively engage people and

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<v Speaker 4>And I get questions such as, like, you know, are

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<v Speaker 4>humans God's only focus? If so, why is a universe

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<v Speaker 4>And also being good just because God says so in

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<v Speaker 4>And and isn't there a greater humunity that we need

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<v Speaker 4>to live for? And I guess the overall theme is

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<v Speaker 4>the Bible being taking more figuratively now as opposed to literally.

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<v Speaker 4>When I grew up, it was all literal, and now

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<v Speaker 4>it's becoming more and more figurative, which I think loses

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<v Speaker 4>some of the credibility. And I'm finding myself questioning my faith.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, I'm talking so fast. My phone is just

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<v Speaker 4>really close to dying, okay. And I guess one of

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<v Speaker 4>the face of so much scientific research whether the Earth is,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, less than twenty thousand years old or more

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<v Speaker 4>than four billion years old. I think that's one of

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<v Speaker 2>But you know that all Christians don't believe that there

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<v Speaker 2>there are there are old universe creationists.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, I know, I know, And that's that's part

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, but that's that could that can be into interpretation.

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<v Speaker 2>You could obviously make an argument that to try and

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<v Speaker 2>may or may not be complete is a bad way

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<v Speaker 2>that's a whole different that's separate from everything else, some

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<v Speaker 2>of the other concerns that you're bringing up. Remember, just

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<v Speaker 2>because you don't have the answer doesn't mean there isn't

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<v Speaker 1>Christian.

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<v Speaker 2>That's ridiculously ridiculous, and you've got to turn your radio

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<v Speaker 2>down Otherwise, it's going to cause problems, So so don't

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<v Speaker 2>assume that you don't. There's a lot of questions you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have the answers to, and it doesn't make them wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of trigonometry or geometry questions you may

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<v Speaker 2>not be able to answer. It doesn't mean that those

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<v Speaker 2>things don't exist. When it comes to your first question,

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<v Speaker 2>you say, the universe is so big? What was the

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<v Speaker 4>You know, well, are humans God's only focus? Are we

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<v Speaker 4>his only concern in the entire universe? Knowing that the

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's what scripture says. The assumption that that is

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<v Speaker 2>somehow out of balance is ridiculous because no scientist understands

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<v Speaker 2>impossible that to make that statement and say that each

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<v Speaker 2>of those things don't have a purpose or a place

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<v Speaker 2>hanging in the balance is ridiculous. That it's like saying

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<v Speaker 2>that every grain of sand doesn't have a purpose in

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<v Speaker 2>the gravitational pull or balance of the Earth. It does

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<v Speaker 2>it different from all other planets, even in your own

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<v Speaker 2>solar system. So if that makes the Earth's special in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that is hard to comprehend, then equally it

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<v Speaker 2>is hard to comprehend the special lists of humanity as

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<v Speaker 4>And I mean also, I was confronted with the thing

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<v Speaker 4>say believing and I agree that believing that all of

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<v Speaker 4>believing that something, somebody out there or some being out

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<v Speaker 4>a gradual process of growth and evolution. I mean, how

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<v Speaker 4>do you no, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Art But because you have to already start the ball

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<v Speaker 2>look this just kind of it was already there and

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<v Speaker 2>reason for you to believe that if you put a

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<v Speaker 2>because they're similar in nature. You wouldn't assume that they

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<v Speaker 2>came from each other directly. You'd say that they came

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<v Speaker 2>from similar to science or specificities. But nothing in science ever, ever,

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<v Speaker 2>states that the effect is greater than the cause. Ever,

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<v Speaker 2>in any science, it's always the cause is greater than

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<v Speaker 2>the effect. Right, Well, in evolution, that's backwards because you

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<v Speaker 4>Do you believe in evolution?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, not.

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<v Speaker 2>In the evolution that that they're trying to make you swallow.

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<v Speaker 2>get theories like punctuated equilibrium And yes, how old do.

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<v Speaker 4>You think the Earth is? Because that's one of my

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's outside of the scope of this program. But

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<v Speaker 2>people like my producer Neil believe that it's not six

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<v Speaker 2>it's builllions of years old. Either the reason why the

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<v Speaker 2>the the reason why the scientist has to argue that

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<v Speaker 2>It wouldn't work in other in other words, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>There are many Christians. I'll direct you to Reasons dot Org.

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<v Speaker 2>years old. So it's it's not about that. But you

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<v Speaker 2>can't just say, well, scientists say this because scientists changed

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<v Speaker 2>Assume that to be, but there's but there's changes in

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<v Speaker 2>general theory of relativity changes, just as dark Romanism doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>old theory of Darwinism, right, and that every five years

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<v Speaker 2>scientists gather to try evolutionists that are scientists try and

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<v Speaker 2>It would be silly to use the scripture to argue

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<v Speaker 2>about the scientific truths. It'd be silly. And there's many reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Dot org would be one of them. Doctor Hugh Ross

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<v Speaker 2>There are chemists, there are biologists. There are all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>that happens to be your your focus or concern. But

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the things you're throwing out are unreasonable

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<v Speaker 2>that people are throwing to you. The things you know

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<v Speaker 2>about evolution and the pan sperming at the beginning, this

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<v Speaker 1>That came from. And they say, well, there's.

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<v Speaker 2>Which I think that's what they But that still argues again,

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<v Speaker 2>now where did that stuff come from?

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<v Speaker 2>Something has to be eternal, and then you have to

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<v Speaker 4>Then I say then, I say, well, all that stuff

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<v Speaker 4>came from God. And then they say, well where did

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<v Speaker 4>God come from? And then but you can't always been there,

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<v Speaker 1>It's a reasonable way.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very reasonable way that the creator of the

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<v Speaker 1>It is completely reasonable.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, isn't it just a paradox? I mean no, this

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<v Speaker 4>And that's good time.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna have to I'm sorry, Christian, You're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>to hold on as we have a break.

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<v Speaker 1>But hold on.

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<v Speaker 2>I know your phone's going out because I do want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to you more. Ah, Christian's phone died and

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<v Speaker 2>of garbage that was being tossed at Christian as he's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to defend himself. I think it's healthy to question

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<v Speaker 2>your faith. It's it's healthy to question your belief system.

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<v Speaker 2>I've said it here on the program many times before.

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<v Speaker 2>You will not change the mind of a avout Atheist,

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<v Speaker 2>a devout Protestant, of a devout Catholic, a devout Mormon,

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<v Speaker 2>a devout anything. You will not change the mind of

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<v Speaker 2>anybody that's devout, unless they're a devout truth seeker. Those

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<v Speaker 2>are the peoples who Those are the people who seek

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<v Speaker 2>constantly and want to know the truth. If you just

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not to say that you don't adhere to something,

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<v Speaker 2>you should. You know, an open mind has the same

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<v Speaker 2>qualities or properties as an open mouth, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>that it should remain open until something of nutrients falls

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<v Speaker 2>into it, and then you chew and swallow and digest.

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<v Speaker 2>So I appreciate that Christian was questioning, but some of

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<v Speaker 2>the things were just ridiculous. One of the questions, is

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<v Speaker 2>it good to or should you be good just because

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<v Speaker 2>God says so? If you're not good because God says so,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna be good because someone else says so. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean by what standard, societal standard, individual standards. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you go by society. In Nazi Germany, the society

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<v Speaker 2>said it was okay to kill Jews and Gypsies and

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<v Speaker 2>blacks and gays. So is it society that says what's

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<v Speaker 2>good and bad?

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole purpose, the whole thing about good and bad,

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<v Speaker 2>and the fact that you know inherently that Hitler was evil,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter who you are, no matter what your belief

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<v Speaker 2>system is, is because there is something written on your

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<v Speaker 2>heart by your creator that tells you what good and

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<v Speaker 2>bad is. In every society. It's wrong to steal, it's

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<v Speaker 2>wrong to rape, it's wrong to murder in every society.

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<v Speaker 2>And these things come from somewhere outside. That's another thing,

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<v Speaker 2>the understanding of God's existence. Everything in this universe is

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<v Speaker 2>contingent upon something else. It's pointing to something else to

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<v Speaker 2>show its existence. The tree to the acorn to the

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<v Speaker 2>tree to the acorn, you to your parents, to their parents,

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<v Speaker 2>so on. So it's reasonable to say that the universe

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<v Speaker 2>has to point outside itself to explain its existence. That

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<v Speaker 2>is reasonable. And another thing is that Christians have no problem.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bible doesn't oppose the special theory of evolution. You

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<v Speaker 2>know that there's great change. It can be possible within

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<v Speaker 2>fixed kinds. It's the general theory of evolution where there's

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<v Speaker 2>a problem. The amieba to human being. There is too

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<v Speaker 2>many questions that are left unanswered by that theory. Do

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<v Speaker 2>not buy the hype, and people get insecure and they

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to defend themselves because they feel stupid, don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Daryl. Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi, Jesus, I have a question for you regarding being

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<v Speaker 5>filled with the spirit and being baptized in the Holy Spirit,

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<v Speaker 5>and hoping you can give me some insight into your word.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>My understanding is that when I believe and receive you,

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<v Speaker 5>that I then also receive your spirit and am filled

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<v Speaker 5>with the Holy Spirit. But I have those that have

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<v Speaker 5>been telling me lately that there's a difference between being

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<v Speaker 5>filled with the spirit and being baptized in the Holy Spirit,

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<v Speaker 5>and they are using as the criteria, which I struggle

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<v Speaker 5>with that you're not baptizing the Holy Spirit unless you're

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<v Speaker 5>speaking tongues. And I know that tongues is a gift

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<v Speaker 5>from you and not necessarily requirement for my salvation. But

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<v Speaker 5>is it true that to be baptized in the spirit.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, maybe that's part of the question. Is there

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<v Speaker 5>a difference between being filled with your spirit and baptized

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<v Speaker 5>with the Holy Spirit?

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<v Speaker 2>Let me let me ask you also, do they talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the laying on of hands.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, they do, okay that and they use obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter mandate to lay hands on to.

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<v Speaker 5>It and where you know where they laid hands on

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<v Speaker 5>people and then they immediately receive the spirit. And then

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<v Speaker 5>they use the example of Paul who people I think

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<v Speaker 5>it was Antonius who said that they didn't they had

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<v Speaker 5>received Christ, but they weren't aware of the Holy Spirit,

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<v Speaker 5>and then he laid hands on them and they received it.

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<v Speaker 2>This can become a very heated debate in Christianity and

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<v Speaker 2>different there are different factions as to believers, and some

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<v Speaker 2>people get very wrapped up in the Holy Spirit saying no,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to do this and you've got to speak

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<v Speaker 2>in tongues, and you've got to do all these things.

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<v Speaker 1>Not true.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not what scripture says. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 2>it says quite the contrary. It says that certain people

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<v Speaker 2>will get certain gifts. In Corinthians, it talks about there

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<v Speaker 2>will be those that have the gift of teaching and

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<v Speaker 2>those that have the gift of prophecy, and there will be,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, all kinds of different gifts, and not everybody

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<v Speaker 2>has those gifts.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what makes them gifts, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And so this is can be a touchy subject with

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<v Speaker 2>some I will point out that there are some inconsistencies

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<v Speaker 2>to their belief and what Scripture says, depending on where

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<v Speaker 2>they stand in the spectrum of.

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<v Speaker 1>That belief system.

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<v Speaker 2>But for instance, there are times in scripture where I

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<v Speaker 2>laid my hands on somebody and they were healed, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But there's also times where I didn't lay hands on

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<v Speaker 2>them and they were healed. There was even times, if

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<v Speaker 2>you remember the centurion, the servant of the Centurion, where

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't anywhere near his servant and he was healed.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's also cases where people were laid hands on

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<v Speaker 2>in acts and they spoken tongues. But there's also times

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<v Speaker 2>where people weren't didn't have hands laid on them, and

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<v Speaker 2>still spoken tongues. Acts nineteen four through six, also Acts

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<v Speaker 2>ten forty four through forty six. So just on the

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<v Speaker 2>surface of their arguments, if that's the arguments they're making,

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<v Speaker 2>there's problems.

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<v Speaker 1>But salvation.

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<v Speaker 2>Having salvation means that you've received the Holy Spirit. The

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<v Speaker 2>Holy Spirit is the one that brings you salvation. You

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<v Speaker 2>can kind of see it this way, Darryl, is the

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<v Speaker 2>Holy Spirit brings you to me, I bring you to

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<v Speaker 2>the Father. So that process you couldn't even get to me.

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<v Speaker 2>You couldn't even believe in that process unless you had

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<v Speaker 2>the Holy Spirit in your life. Now are there are

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<v Speaker 2>others that say, no, there's this secondary thing, And I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder sometimes if people aren't adding things to the process

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<v Speaker 2>to make them feel more special. I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 2>in this particular case. I'm saying that if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at things like tongues, the gift of tongues is misused.

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<v Speaker 2>In the majority of churches that use it, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>use it in the biblical sense. The three different types

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<v Speaker 2>of glossialalia or speaking in tongues, and it gets to

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<v Speaker 2>be like a look, I'm a haver, have not, or

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<v Speaker 2>look what extra? How much better a Christian I am

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<v Speaker 2>than you? That stuff bothers me. But check out those

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<v Speaker 2>scriptures and that will help you.

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<v Speaker 1>Kfi AM six forty on demand