Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI A six on demand.
Speaker 2: Joanne, Thank you for being patient and welcome to the
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3: Hi Jesus. My question has to do with being a
Speaker 3: fairly new believer. I have a lot of background and
Speaker 3: spirituality and other different walks of life, but being middle
Speaker 3: aged and becoming a born again Christian at a later age,
Speaker 3: I have a lot of pull to want to go
Speaker 3: back to, you know, things of the flesh and the
Speaker 3: world and things like that, and it's hard and I
Speaker 3: I just sort of sometimes want to throw my hands
Speaker 3: in the air and just say, Okay, this is too
Speaker 3: hard for me. I'm I can't do this. So what
Speaker 3: are your suggestions for someone being a newer believer that's
Speaker 3: being drawn back to the other ways of the older life.
Speaker 2: Well, first, I'm very proud of you for even bringing
Speaker 2: it up and recognizing it, because there's a lot of
Speaker 2: people that don't, or there's a lot of people that
Speaker 2: pollute their faith with the luggage from other belief systems
Speaker 2: or other things that they did or past lifestyles, whatever
Speaker 2: it was or may be, and they just pollute it
Speaker 2: and kind of ignore it. So I'm proud of you
Speaker 2: that you're even acknowledging it, and that you're brave enough
Speaker 2: to even say, Hey, this is what I think is
Speaker 2: going on, and I'm fearful of it.
Speaker 1: The process is the same as anything else.
Speaker 2: I mean, Paul said it himself, and this is somebody
Speaker 2: who had, you know, a later conversion by some standards,
Speaker 2: said the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Speaker 2: There is always going to be the pull of other things, always,
Speaker 2: whether it's other belief systems or just stuff you know,
Speaker 2: the phone ringing things to do. There's always going to
Speaker 2: be distract in life. They keep you from anything and everything,
Speaker 2: and the best way to do it is to build
Speaker 2: patterns and habits like anything else. That's what you did
Speaker 2: over those years. And other belief systems, other processes, you
Speaker 2: spent time in them, and that's what makes it difficult.
Speaker 2: That's why you harken back to that, because you yield
Speaker 2: to that which is easier, that which is known, versus
Speaker 2: that which is new and more difficult. And so you
Speaker 2: need to build new practices and that is that build
Speaker 2: regiments for now, and whether it's reading scripture, going to
Speaker 2: Bible studies, going to church, hanging out and fellowshiping with
Speaker 2: other believers, both young and old, in different stages of
Speaker 2: their walk, you know, signing up for the New Believers
Speaker 2: class at your church, doing things that are going to
Speaker 2: build good habits and new habits. And the more you learn,
Speaker 2: the more though those old habits will fall away, the
Speaker 2: more you build new ones and establish that relationship like
Speaker 2: anything else. I mean, you know, you've been through breakups, Joanne,
Speaker 2: and and you can be with the greatest new guy
Speaker 2: and you're still going, oh, but that other person used
Speaker 2: to do this, or you know that that just happens.
Speaker 1: That's part of the process.
Speaker 2: And you learn to see the newness of the situation
Speaker 2: for the glory that it is and for the freshness
Speaker 2: that it is, and those that you know, Scripture says
Speaker 2: that the new person is created and the old self will.
Speaker 1: Die and fall away.
Speaker 2: And but that's a process too, right.
Speaker 3: And I am doing all the things you just suggested,
Speaker 3: all right, with Bible study and classes and you know,
Speaker 3: other fellowship and things like that, And I am I
Speaker 3: am doing that. It's just that I get sometimes to
Speaker 3: a point where I get either exhausted, exasperated, or just tired.
Speaker 2: Sure something new, it's much easier to go back to
Speaker 2: the old ways always, always, it's just not better.
Speaker 3: So I should just stay on what I'm doing and
Speaker 3: no other suggestions.
Speaker 2: I wish I had a magic wand for you, but
Speaker 2: I think this is what makes it worthwhile. And a
Speaker 2: lot of people say, well, gosh, what about this one?
Speaker 1: About that?
Speaker 2: But really the common sense and the practical are God
Speaker 2: given and the solutions to these things. It's like saying, well,
Speaker 2: I want patience. You know how you have patience having
Speaker 2: to be patient, you know, and you know how you
Speaker 2: build you don't you don't be careful when you ask
Speaker 2: God for humility. By the way, a lot of people
Speaker 2: forget that it comes with humiliation often. So it's these
Speaker 2: things that you want and that are going to be
Speaker 2: part of your character, that you want to be part
Speaker 2: of your character have to come with time. It's the
Speaker 2: it's the forging process. Like with steel. If if you
Speaker 2: try and go for that, when you heat up a
Speaker 2: metal and it gets that red hot appearance and they
Speaker 2: take those hammer and tongs and they start beating it
Speaker 2: into a shape that there's a cooling down process or
Speaker 2: a curing process that they use, and if they cure
Speaker 2: it quick in cold water, the metal becomes fragile and
Speaker 2: brittle and can break easy. The whole purpose of forging
Speaker 2: and to strengthen the metal and strengthen the new shape
Speaker 2: is to slowly cool it down so that as it
Speaker 2: slowly cools down, it becomes stronger and more dense. So
Speaker 2: when you want something in life, if it's important enough,
Speaker 2: you want to go through the process. You want to
Speaker 2: take the time. If you rush through the process of
Speaker 2: something important, often it becomes kind of a faux version.
Speaker 2: It's brittle, it's fragile, it's thin. It may look the
Speaker 2: same on the outside, but really it doesn't have the
Speaker 2: same sturdy structure.
Speaker 1: Soundness to it.
Speaker 2: So what ends up happening is, Joanne, you leave today
Speaker 2: and you try and do it quick, then I'm going
Speaker 2: to get a call back from you in a month
Speaker 2: or two going, oh, it broke down and this that.
Speaker 2: But if you slowly, baby steps, little bit of increments
Speaker 2: to build that structure within you and trust that God
Speaker 2: says in scripture that he is the author and finisher
Speaker 2: of your faith. So although you participate in that, God
Speaker 2: is doing a work inside you. And I'm trying to
Speaker 2: build those things and build that structure inside you so
Speaker 2: that you are strong and can withstand great things rather
Speaker 2: than just on the outside. Look, well, she looks like
Speaker 2: a Christian, smells like a Christian, sounds like a Christian. Well,
Speaker 2: everything should be good, but no, I want it to
Speaker 2: be a real, honest to goodness change inside you and
Speaker 2: that that just comes with time.
Speaker 1: Honey, that's just the process.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: You're welcome and you are on the right path. I'm
Speaker 2: very proud of her. There is a lot of luggage
Speaker 2: out there as you or on your quest, and people
Speaker 2: tend to bring it with them.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like talking to some friends of mine and they're
Speaker 2: moving and not just moving, you know, from a house
Speaker 2: to another house, they're moving out of state and the
Speaker 2: process that goes with that, and it's interesting to hear
Speaker 2: them talk about. You know, one of them's more sentimental
Speaker 2: and you know, holds onto a lot of things throughout life,
Speaker 2: and the other is much more pragmatic and practical. Well,
Speaker 2: if you haven't seen it in a year, then you
Speaker 2: don't need it. And to go through that cleansing process
Speaker 2: of removing certain things from your life to move into
Speaker 2: a new area or just you know, start fresh, and
Speaker 2: those types of that's very difficult. It's very difficult with
Speaker 2: the physical, with the you know, the tangible and the
Speaker 2: things in your garage, let alone when you spiritually and
Speaker 2: a lot of you know, Christians, and you can't be
Speaker 2: you can't fall into this when you're sharing your faith
Speaker 2: that you act like it's not a big deal for
Speaker 2: somebody to jump in.
Speaker 1: Okay, come into my pool.
Speaker 2: I know you've been in that pool forever or you've
Speaker 2: been in that belief system, but come over here. And
Speaker 2: sometimes Christians do it as if it's a notch on
Speaker 2: your belt, and it's like, oh, well, they said the
Speaker 2: words were good, everybody's good, and they're done all right,
Speaker 2: moving on next, next, And do you know Jesus Christ
Speaker 2: is your personal savior. And meanwhile, this person is going, wow,
Speaker 2: you picked me up and dumped me off in this
Speaker 2: foreign land and I don't recognize anything, and I'm nervous
Speaker 2: and scared and sort of excited at the same time,
Speaker 2: and I don't know what I'm doing. And you know,
Speaker 2: those moves are are huge. And it's not just words,
Speaker 2: and it's not just the bat in the eye. It's
Speaker 2: not just those things that make the you know, total
Speaker 2: sum of the experience and coming to something new and
Speaker 2: committing yourself to it. It's a process, and you're going
Speaker 2: to be shedding layers of skin from the old you
Speaker 2: as you adapt and build layers of new.
Speaker 1: Skin for the new you.
Speaker 2: And I am proud of anybody who is bold and
Speaker 2: brave enough to go through that and experience both that physically,
Speaker 2: but emotionally and spiritually as well. Genna, Welcome to the
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 1: Hello. Hi, what's your question?
Speaker 4: Thank you for taking my fall. It's great to talk
Speaker 4: to you.
Speaker 1: My pleasure. How can I help you? Thank you?
Speaker 4: Question is why is Jesus Christ being referred to as
Speaker 4: the God's one and only son?
Speaker 5: As I believe that.
Speaker 4: I think it's about that we're all God's children.
Speaker 1: Good question.
Speaker 2: There's there's differences in the way it's stated, and if
Speaker 2: you notice, there's also, you know, some capitalization changes when
Speaker 2: it's spoken about in scripture referring to when referring to
Speaker 2: me as God's son, versus referring to the population of
Speaker 2: Christianity as children of God.
Speaker 1: So you look at a couple of things.
Speaker 2: The big difference is between the sense in which I
Speaker 2: am the son of God and that all people that
Speaker 2: are Christians are sons of God. So first you have
Speaker 2: to look at the uniqueness, the difference of the son
Speaker 2: of God that would put Christ as the son of God,
Speaker 2: whereas everyone else is only a son of God.
Speaker 1: Small ass.
Speaker 2: Why because when you're dealing with Christ's deity and the
Speaker 2: difference is between the two, Christ is the son of God.
Speaker 2: With this capitalist for a reason humans are adopted, if
Speaker 2: you will. So Jesus falls under the guise of son
Speaker 2: of God by eternal right and inheritance. You read about
Speaker 2: that in Colossians one fifteen. Whereas humans are sons of
Speaker 2: God by adoption you read about that Romans eight fifteen.
Speaker 2: So Christ is the of God because he is God
Speaker 2: in the very nature of God John one to one.
Speaker 2: So the difference is really dealing with the nature inherently.
Speaker 2: So you look over at man and you say, well,
Speaker 2: what about man? Well, man is created in the image
Speaker 2: of God Genesis one twenty seven, and remade in the
Speaker 2: image of via the redemption in Colossians three ten. So
Speaker 2: you can think of it this way, I, as Jesus,
Speaker 2: is of God by his very nature, but you are
Speaker 2: as a human from God by way of creation. I
Speaker 2: am divine in nature, but humans only participate in the
Speaker 2: salvation and not the divine nature two Peter one four.
Speaker 2: And you can participate only in God's moral attributes, you know,
Speaker 2: like holiness, love, those types of things, but you cannot
Speaker 2: participate in his non moral attributes like infinity, eternity or
Speaker 2: any of.
Speaker 1: The other.
Speaker 2: You know, larger aspects dealing with the omni attributes and
Speaker 2: things like that. So there's a difference between the actualness
Speaker 2: and of sonship versus in this case, the adoption sonship.
Speaker 2: So there are some differences there, and it's usually spelled
Speaker 2: out in scripture. I would go back to those verses
Speaker 2: when critics ask A book by Norman Geisler has a
Speaker 2: wonderful breakdown as he is wont to do about this,
Speaker 2: and shows that Jesus is the son of God, is
Speaker 2: the natural son, no beginning, the Creator, God by nature. Well,
Speaker 2: whereas humans, as sons of God are adopted sons have
Speaker 2: a begin are a creature, not the Creator, and not
Speaker 2: God by nature. So that's what separates those two and
Speaker 2: specifically puts them together. Christian Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I am real quick. My phone might die
Speaker 4: in the middle of this, So just try and answer
Speaker 4: whatever I say. But there's been an overall theme. I'm
Speaker 4: a very faithful person, and I've been so since I
Speaker 4: was little. I'm a college student, and I find more
Speaker 4: and more in these debates I'm unable to back myself up.
Speaker 4: And I say debates because I actively engage people and
Speaker 4: try and show the light and show them the truth.
Speaker 4: And I get questions such as, like, you know, are
Speaker 4: humans God's only focus? If so, why is a universe
Speaker 4: so big and so elaborate? And and I can't answer that?
Speaker 4: And also being good just because God says so in
Speaker 4: the Bible? Is that the most noble way to be good?
Speaker 4: And and isn't there a greater humunity that we need
Speaker 4: to live for? And I guess the overall theme is
Speaker 4: the Bible being taking more figuratively now as opposed to literally.
Speaker 4: When I grew up, it was all literal, and now
Speaker 4: it's becoming more and more figurative, which I think loses
Speaker 4: some of the credibility. And I'm finding myself questioning my faith.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm talking so fast. My phone is just
Speaker 4: really close to dying, okay. And I guess one of
Speaker 4: the biggest things is, you know, looking at the so
Speaker 4: and so begat so and so begat coming up with
Speaker 4: the age of the Earth and having that fly in
Speaker 4: the face of so much scientific research whether the Earth is,
Speaker 4: you know, less than twenty thousand years old or more
Speaker 4: than four billion years old. I think that's one of
Speaker 4: the biggest inconsistencies. And I'm finding myself.
Speaker 2: But you know that all Christians don't believe that there
Speaker 2: there are there are old universe creationists.
Speaker 4: I know, I know, I know, And that's that's part
Speaker 4: of the reason. Is that part of my problem is,
Speaker 4: you know, how figurative can we take the Bible?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but that's that could that can be into interpretation.
Speaker 2: You could obviously make an argument that to try and
Speaker 2: guess the age of the Earth based on genealogies that
Speaker 2: may or may not be complete is a bad way
Speaker 2: to judge the age of the Earth. So that's that's
Speaker 2: that's a whole different that's separate from everything else, some
Speaker 2: of the other concerns that you're bringing up. Remember, just
Speaker 2: because you don't have the answer doesn't mean there isn't
Speaker 2: an answer.
Speaker 1: Christian.
Speaker 2: That's ridiculously ridiculous, and you've got to turn your radio
Speaker 2: down Otherwise, it's going to cause problems, So so don't
Speaker 2: assume that you don't. There's a lot of questions you
Speaker 2: don't have the answers to, and it doesn't make them wrong.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of trigonometry or geometry questions you may
Speaker 2: not be able to answer. It doesn't mean that those
Speaker 2: things don't exist. When it comes to your first question,
Speaker 2: you say, the universe is so big? What was the
Speaker 2: format that you that you voice that.
Speaker 4: You know, well, are humans God's only focus? Are we
Speaker 4: his only concern in the entire universe? Knowing that the
Speaker 4: fact that there is light years and light years and
Speaker 4: light years of space.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what scripture says. The assumption that that is
Speaker 2: somehow out of balance is ridiculous because no scientist understands
Speaker 2: completely what all of those light years and light years
Speaker 2: and light years of space do for mankind. The sheer
Speaker 2: numbers that it would take to try and calculate why
Speaker 2: life is here and how it is here are so
Speaker 2: impossible that to make that statement and say that each
Speaker 2: of those things don't have a purpose or a place
Speaker 2: hanging in the balance is ridiculous. That it's like saying
Speaker 2: that every grain of sand doesn't have a purpose in
Speaker 2: the gravitational pull or balance of the Earth. It does
Speaker 2: every little bit of the elements of the Earth make
Speaker 2: it different from all other planets, even in your own
Speaker 2: solar system. So if that makes the Earth's special in
Speaker 2: a way that is hard to comprehend, then equally it
Speaker 2: is hard to comprehend the special lists of humanity as
Speaker 2: it compares to God.
Speaker 4: And I mean also, I was confronted with the thing
Speaker 4: that I couldn't answer, and that is, you know, people
Speaker 4: say believing and I agree that believing that all of
Speaker 4: this is random is is so hard to believe. But
Speaker 4: believing that something, somebody out there or some being out
Speaker 4: there created it all that seems much more unnatural than
Speaker 4: a gradual process of growth and evolution. I mean, how
Speaker 4: do you no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: Art But because you have to already start the ball
Speaker 2: rolling in evolution. So everyone jumps to that point and says, oh, well,
Speaker 2: look this just kind of it was already there and
Speaker 2: it just gradually happened. No, there is no there's no
Speaker 2: reason for you to believe that if you put a
Speaker 2: violin in a corner in a long period of time,
Speaker 2: that it's going to become a Cello. They're they're just
Speaker 2: because they're similar in nature. You wouldn't assume that they
Speaker 2: came from each other directly. You'd say that they came
Speaker 2: from similar to science or specificities. But nothing in science ever, ever,
Speaker 2: states that the effect is greater than the cause. Ever,
Speaker 2: in any science, it's always the cause is greater than
Speaker 2: the effect. Right, Well, in evolution, that's backwards because you
Speaker 2: have to come from nothing.
Speaker 4: Do you believe in evolution?
Speaker 1: Well, no, not.
Speaker 2: In the evolution that that they're trying to make you swallow.
Speaker 2: In adaptation, absolutely, of course there's adaptation. There's adaptation. There's
Speaker 2: a difference between and scientists still have problems with the
Speaker 2: concept of certain types of evolution, which is why you
Speaker 2: get theories like punctuated equilibrium And yes, how old do.
Speaker 4: You think the Earth is? Because that's one of my
Speaker 4: biggest concerns.
Speaker 2: Well, that's outside of the scope of this program. But
Speaker 2: people like my producer Neil believe that it's not six
Speaker 2: thousand years old. But there's nothing that necessarily says that
Speaker 2: it's builllions of years old. Either the reason why the
Speaker 2: the the reason why the scientist has to argue that
Speaker 2: concept or that theory of it being billions of years
Speaker 2: old is because they need that time to be able
Speaker 2: to have transitionary forms to get to where you are now.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't work in other in other words, but there's
Speaker 2: no way for them to prove that, So they're all theories.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: There are many Christians. I'll direct you to Reasons dot Org.
Speaker 2: There are many Christians that believe that the that the
Speaker 2: Earth is probably uh, you know, fifteen million or more
Speaker 2: years old. So it's it's not about that. But you
Speaker 2: can't just say, well, scientists say this because scientists changed
Speaker 2: all the time, and the theory of evolution is a
Speaker 2: theory for a reason.
Speaker 4: It is it is it was the theory of relativity.
Speaker 4: I mean, and we.
Speaker 2: Assume that to be, but there's but there's changes in
Speaker 2: the theory of relativity all the time, and that the
Speaker 2: general theory of relativity changes, just as dark Romanism doesn't
Speaker 2: exist anymore. The new theory of evolution is not the
Speaker 2: old theory of Darwinism, right, and that every five years
Speaker 2: scientists gather to try evolutionists that are scientists try and
Speaker 2: gather to come up with, well, what do we believe now?
Speaker 2: Because there isn't a consistency.
Speaker 4: Is there a push on the believers side of the
Speaker 4: believers front, and maybe in a scientific way to justify
Speaker 4: all of our beliefs and create better and more elaborate
Speaker 4: speaking points other than twipping to a page in the
Speaker 4: Bible and interpreting that a different way or using that
Speaker 4: to convince in an unconventional way.
Speaker 5: Is there.
Speaker 2: It would be silly to use the scripture to argue
Speaker 2: about the scientific truths. It'd be silly. And there's many reasons.
Speaker 2: Dot org would be one of them. Doctor Hugh Ross
Speaker 2: and the folks over there at Reasons to Believe are
Speaker 2: focused on they're all scientists. He is an astrophysicist.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: There are chemists, there are biologists. There are all kinds
Speaker 2: of uh GISTs over there that you can reference if
Speaker 2: that happens to be your your focus or concern. But
Speaker 2: a lot of the things you're throwing out are unreasonable
Speaker 2: that people are throwing to you. The things you know
Speaker 2: about evolution and the pan sperming at the beginning, this
Speaker 2: primordial soup where everyone came from. You still have to
Speaker 2: explain where.
Speaker 1: That came from. And they say, well, there's.
Speaker 4: A big bane or a cosmic Uh, just I mean,
Speaker 4: every every planet in orb and everything out there is
Speaker 4: just a big glob of chemicals and something so happened
Speaker 4: to crash into us.
Speaker 2: Which I think that's what they But that still argues again,
Speaker 2: now where did that stuff come from?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Something has to be eternal, and then you have to
Speaker 2: go back to you know, the theory of relativity, and
Speaker 2: you have to go back to the law of thermodynamics,
Speaker 2: both first and second and then and.
Speaker 4: Then I say then, I say, well, all that stuff
Speaker 4: came from God. And then they say, well where did
Speaker 4: God come from? And then but you can't always been there,
Speaker 4: and they say that seems like an easy way to
Speaker 4: not answer the question that it's not.
Speaker 1: It's a reasonable way.
Speaker 2: It's a very reasonable way that the creator of the
Speaker 2: universe would have to be uncreated by definition, because if
Speaker 2: something created the creator, now that creator's creation and not
Speaker 2: the creator.
Speaker 1: It is completely reasonable.
Speaker 4: Like, isn't it just a paradox? I mean no, this
Speaker 4: is this is the most skeptically I've ever questioned my faith.
Speaker 4: And that's good time.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to I'm sorry, Christian, You're gonna have
Speaker 2: to hold on as we have a break.
Speaker 1: But hold on.
Speaker 2: I know your phone's going out because I do want
Speaker 2: to talk to you more. Ah, Christian's phone died and
Speaker 2: we were going at mock speeds trying to get those
Speaker 2: things out. So I want to downshift a little bit
Speaker 2: and go over some things because there was a lot
Speaker 2: of garbage that was being tossed at Christian as he's
Speaker 2: trying to defend himself. I think it's healthy to question
Speaker 2: your faith. It's it's healthy to question your belief system.
Speaker 2: I've said it here on the program many times before.
Speaker 2: You will not change the mind of a avout Atheist,
Speaker 2: a devout Protestant, of a devout Catholic, a devout Mormon,
Speaker 2: a devout anything. You will not change the mind of
Speaker 2: anybody that's devout, unless they're a devout truth seeker. Those
Speaker 2: are the peoples who Those are the people who seek
Speaker 2: constantly and want to know the truth. If you just
Speaker 2: and it's not to say that you don't adhere to something,
Speaker 2: you should. You know, an open mind has the same
Speaker 2: qualities or properties as an open mouth, and that is
Speaker 2: that it should remain open until something of nutrients falls
Speaker 2: into it, and then you chew and swallow and digest.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate that Christian was questioning, but some of
Speaker 2: the things were just ridiculous. One of the questions, is
Speaker 2: it good to or should you be good just because
Speaker 2: God says so? If you're not good because God says so,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be good because someone else says so. I
Speaker 2: mean by what standard, societal standard, individual standards. You know,
Speaker 2: if you go by society. In Nazi Germany, the society
Speaker 2: said it was okay to kill Jews and Gypsies and
Speaker 2: blacks and gays. So is it society that says what's
Speaker 2: good and bad?
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: The whole purpose, the whole thing about good and bad,
Speaker 2: and the fact that you know inherently that Hitler was evil,
Speaker 2: no matter who you are, no matter what your belief
Speaker 2: system is, is because there is something written on your
Speaker 2: heart by your creator that tells you what good and
Speaker 2: bad is. In every society. It's wrong to steal, it's
Speaker 2: wrong to rape, it's wrong to murder in every society.
Speaker 2: And these things come from somewhere outside. That's another thing,
Speaker 2: the understanding of God's existence. Everything in this universe is
Speaker 2: contingent upon something else. It's pointing to something else to
Speaker 2: show its existence. The tree to the acorn to the
Speaker 2: tree to the acorn, you to your parents, to their parents,
Speaker 2: so on. So it's reasonable to say that the universe
Speaker 2: has to point outside itself to explain its existence. That
Speaker 2: is reasonable. And another thing is that Christians have no problem.
Speaker 2: The Bible doesn't oppose the special theory of evolution. You
Speaker 2: know that there's great change. It can be possible within
Speaker 2: fixed kinds. It's the general theory of evolution where there's
Speaker 2: a problem. The amieba to human being. There is too
Speaker 2: many questions that are left unanswered by that theory. Do
Speaker 2: not buy the hype, and people get insecure and they
Speaker 2: don't want to defend themselves because they feel stupid, don't.
Speaker 1: Daryl. Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5: Hi, Jesus, I have a question for you regarding being
Speaker 5: filled with the spirit and being baptized in the Holy Spirit,
Speaker 5: and hoping you can give me some insight into your word.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: My understanding is that when I believe and receive you,
Speaker 5: that I then also receive your spirit and am filled
Speaker 5: with the Holy Spirit. But I have those that have
Speaker 5: been telling me lately that there's a difference between being
Speaker 5: filled with the spirit and being baptized in the Holy Spirit,
Speaker 5: and they are using as the criteria, which I struggle
Speaker 5: with that you're not baptizing the Holy Spirit unless you're
Speaker 5: speaking tongues. And I know that tongues is a gift
Speaker 5: from you and not necessarily requirement for my salvation. But
Speaker 5: is it true that to be baptized in the spirit.
Speaker 5: I mean, maybe that's part of the question. Is there
Speaker 5: a difference between being filled with your spirit and baptized
Speaker 5: with the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 2: Let me let me ask you also, do they talk
Speaker 2: about the laying on of hands.
Speaker 5: Yes, they do, okay that and they use obviously.
Speaker 1: Peter mandate to lay hands on to.
Speaker 5: It and where you know where they laid hands on
Speaker 5: people and then they immediately receive the spirit. And then
Speaker 5: they use the example of Paul who people I think
Speaker 5: it was Antonius who said that they didn't they had
Speaker 5: received Christ, but they weren't aware of the Holy Spirit,
Speaker 5: and then he laid hands on them and they received it.
Speaker 2: This can become a very heated debate in Christianity and
Speaker 2: different there are different factions as to believers, and some
Speaker 2: people get very wrapped up in the Holy Spirit saying no,
Speaker 2: you've got to do this and you've got to speak
Speaker 2: in tongues, and you've got to do all these things.
Speaker 1: Not true.
Speaker 2: That is not what scripture says. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: it says quite the contrary. It says that certain people
Speaker 2: will get certain gifts. In Corinthians, it talks about there
Speaker 2: will be those that have the gift of teaching and
Speaker 2: those that have the gift of prophecy, and there will be,
Speaker 2: you know, all kinds of different gifts, and not everybody
Speaker 2: has those gifts.
Speaker 1: That's what makes them gifts, right.
Speaker 2: And so this is can be a touchy subject with
Speaker 2: some I will point out that there are some inconsistencies
Speaker 2: to their belief and what Scripture says, depending on where
Speaker 2: they stand in the spectrum of.
Speaker 1: That belief system.
Speaker 2: But for instance, there are times in scripture where I
Speaker 2: laid my hands on somebody and they were healed, right,
Speaker 2: But there's also times where I didn't lay hands on
Speaker 2: them and they were healed. There was even times, if
Speaker 2: you remember the centurion, the servant of the Centurion, where
Speaker 2: I wasn't anywhere near his servant and he was healed.
Speaker 2: So there's also cases where people were laid hands on
Speaker 2: in acts and they spoken tongues. But there's also times
Speaker 2: where people weren't didn't have hands laid on them, and
Speaker 2: still spoken tongues. Acts nineteen four through six, also Acts
Speaker 2: ten forty four through forty six. So just on the
Speaker 2: surface of their arguments, if that's the arguments they're making,
Speaker 2: there's problems.
Speaker 1: But salvation.
Speaker 2: Having salvation means that you've received the Holy Spirit. The
Speaker 2: Holy Spirit is the one that brings you salvation. You
Speaker 2: can kind of see it this way, Darryl, is the
Speaker 2: Holy Spirit brings you to me, I bring you to
Speaker 2: the Father. So that process you couldn't even get to me.
Speaker 2: You couldn't even believe in that process unless you had
Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit in your life. Now are there are
Speaker 2: others that say, no, there's this secondary thing, And I
Speaker 2: wonder sometimes if people aren't adding things to the process
Speaker 2: to make them feel more special. I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: in this particular case. I'm saying that if you look
Speaker 2: at things like tongues, the gift of tongues is misused.
Speaker 2: In the majority of churches that use it, they don't
Speaker 2: use it in the biblical sense. The three different types
Speaker 2: of glossialalia or speaking in tongues, and it gets to
Speaker 2: be like a look, I'm a haver, have not, or
Speaker 2: look what extra? How much better a Christian I am
Speaker 2: than you? That stuff bothers me. But check out those
Speaker 2: scriptures and that will help you.
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