1 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: And here we are. How are you happy Friday? Thanks 2 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,640 for coming by the old podcast on this twenty seventh 3 00:00:27,719 --> 00:00:30,960 day of June, Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty five. 4 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:37,159 My name is Tom Sullivan. So today the news barrel 5 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,640 is full, and it's well, it's like ninety five percent 6 00:00:41,759 --> 00:00:45,079 full of Supreme Court rulings. Today was the last day 7 00:00:45,719 --> 00:00:49,719 or the Supreme Court session for this term, and they 8 00:00:49,759 --> 00:00:54,880 have brought out the birthright citizenship case. But it really 9 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,799 wasn't about birthright. It was about federal judges in Can 10 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:05,519 they issued nationwide injunctions. There's over seven hundred federal judges 11 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,239 and Pam Bondi was talking earlier today about the fact 12 00:01:10,239 --> 00:01:15,000 that out of all the injunctions out there nationwide injunctions, 13 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,239 there's something like forty of them, thirty five of them 14 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,640 came from five federal districts. In other words, people went 15 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,519 shopping for liberal judges in liberal districts and got what 16 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,560 they wanted because Donald Trump's executive orders they didn't like. 17 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:33,599 And it's happened before on the other side. This is 18 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,040 the thing about these judge rulings is you have to 19 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:42,359 remember about Barack Obama or Joe Biden and the courts 20 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,200 dealing with them. So it works both ways, but it's 21 00:01:47,239 --> 00:01:52,840 been very heavy against Donald Trump, there's no question about it. 22 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,640 So it's in any case. They came out with the 23 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,480 birthright citizenship slash federal judge injunctions. They've got a decision 24 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:05,200 on that. There's also another case about parents that want 25 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:10,080 to opt out their children opt out of classes where 26 00:02:10,159 --> 00:02:13,879 they do the instruction from well, it's being built as 27 00:02:14,039 --> 00:02:19,479 LGBTQ plus books. That's part of it. But the real 28 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:24,919 issue is about the books involving transgenders, and a lot 29 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:30,199 of parents are concerned that, Well, it's a time old 30 00:02:31,199 --> 00:02:34,400 rule about if you want to try to change society, 31 00:02:34,439 --> 00:02:37,680 you start with the young. You try to get people 32 00:02:37,759 --> 00:02:41,599 when they're young and plant ideas in their heads, and 33 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,159 they will much easier to sell an idea to a 34 00:02:45,199 --> 00:02:47,319 young person than it is to somebody that's been around 35 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,960 the block a few times. So that's the big complaint 36 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,159 is that you're trying to talk my child into changing 37 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:00,199 their gender. At let's turn to chapter two, boy and 38 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,400 girls here, where have you ever thought about maybe you're 39 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,319 in the wrong body that sort of thing? And so 40 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:13,039 the court ruled and said, yeah, parents have rights and 41 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,400 they can take their child out of that class if 42 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,479 you're going to start teaching out of LGBTQ plus or 43 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:23,800 transgender plus books. And it was not only under parents' rights, 44 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,639 it was also under There were two groups that sued. 45 00:03:26,719 --> 00:03:29,000 One was a group of Christians, another was a group 46 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:33,960 of Muslims, and both of them said, our religions both 47 00:03:35,199 --> 00:03:39,039 require that we stand up and fight back on this. 48 00:03:39,479 --> 00:03:43,199 So it was religious freedom for Muslims and Christians and 49 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:48,560 Jews on this issue about the parents' rights to have 50 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,560 their children educated by some sort of a gender book. 51 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:59,759 Third was age restrictions for adult material. And this case 52 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,800 comes out of Texas, where the state of Texas is 53 00:04:04,039 --> 00:04:09,039 one of I got to look here, how many I 54 00:04:09,039 --> 00:04:13,000 think it was? There are dozens of states now twelve 55 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:18,040 twelve states have already issued age barriers for children, people 56 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:23,399 under the age of I guess eighteen to access porn. 57 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:28,199 And so in this particular case, the judges ruled for 58 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,399 the state of Texas. The only people that were for 59 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:36,040 this that were four children having access to porn were 60 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,600 the porn shops, the people that make the adult films. 61 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,040 So that one went down. Not a lot of commentary 62 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,560 coming from the legal crowd on that. But basically, today 63 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,319 I have for you a long list. I started accumulating 64 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:57,120 the various commentaries by various lawyers that you see on 65 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,600 television a lot, and instea out of chopping it up 66 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,519 and breaking it up, I thought I would just play 67 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,000 the a montage of all the lawyers. There's Shannon Breem, 68 00:05:09,079 --> 00:05:13,000 who is a lawyer. She covers the Supreme Court for Fox. 69 00:05:13,439 --> 00:05:19,279 Andy McCarthy, former Southern District of New York prosecutor, Jonathan Turley, 70 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:24,839 professor at George Washington University Law School, Elie Honig, former 71 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,399 federal prosecutor, SHRIFFH. Shenlin who is a former federal judge 72 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,879 on this. So we've got a bunch of different ones 73 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,560 to play. I'll just put them all together in one 74 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,639 long list and you can get the gist of how 75 00:05:42,879 --> 00:05:46,600 the lawyers looked at this, as I don't think they 76 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:52,079 were all that surprised. Essentially, the legal argument is, there 77 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,800 is the executive branch, and there is the judicial branch, 78 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,040 and the judicial branch. Just because they don't like something 79 00:06:01,079 --> 00:06:05,120 the executive branch is doing, they can't stop them cold 80 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,000 in their tracks for the whole nation. Now they can 81 00:06:08,079 --> 00:06:12,879 stop for their federal district. They can stop. They can 82 00:06:12,959 --> 00:06:16,839 rule in favor of people who brought a case about 83 00:06:16,879 --> 00:06:19,879 some federal case that they have wanted to have before 84 00:06:19,879 --> 00:06:22,120 a federal court. They can do that, but it won't 85 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,680 apply to the entire nation. The only other way for 86 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:31,639 to have an entire national injunction seems to be that 87 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:35,079 you have to file a class action lawsuit, and if 88 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,680 it's a big enough case and a big enough issue, 89 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,279 then let them do that. It's done not like it's rare, 90 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,120 but it's much more cumbersome, and it would require groups 91 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,000 that have an argument with whoever the executive, whether it 92 00:06:50,079 --> 00:06:52,959 be a Democrat or Republican, that they're going to have 93 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,759 to put a class action together in order to fight 94 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,160 back on a national basis. Otherwise it will be in 95 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:06,079 a federal jug judicial district basis. And I think this 96 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,360 makes sense. The other one that makes sense was the parents. 97 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,040 Parents have rights, don't they? Whatever happened to that is? 98 00:07:14,079 --> 00:07:16,360 How did this get to the Supreme Court. This should 99 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,560 have been something that everybody would have nodded on years 100 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,720 ago when these cases were started about the fact that no, 101 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:28,399 the school wants to use an LGBTQ plus or a 102 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:33,759 trans gender a book to educate your children, and the 103 00:07:33,839 --> 00:07:36,720 parents had to go all the way to the Supreme 104 00:07:36,759 --> 00:07:42,439 Court to fight back on this, And it's interesting how 105 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,439 that's the way the court ruled parents have rights, but 106 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,839 it's also the peorn access. In other words, the judges 107 00:07:49,879 --> 00:07:53,639 are saying, people that are minors, we need to protect them, 108 00:07:54,839 --> 00:07:59,040 and we can't. Left in the case of the instruction books, 109 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,480 we can't an agenda that somebody has. The way they're 110 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:06,120 trying to get the agenda to spread is to put 111 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,879 it in the minds of the kids in schools and 112 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,439 let it grow from there. So pretty interesting day. In 113 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,560 the course, we also have a little more people are 114 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,279 freaking out about the guy who won the Democrat primary 115 00:08:19,319 --> 00:08:22,360 for mayor of New York City because he's a big socialist, 116 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:27,560 he's got some wild ideas. There's a little bit of argument, 117 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,799 not much about how much damage was done to Iron's 118 00:08:32,919 --> 00:08:36,440 nuke program. There are still a few people out there, 119 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:41,240 like Chris Murphy, the Democrat senator from Connecticut, who still 120 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:43,919 is watch them on television. He's like a bobblehead. His 121 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,879 head keeps bobbing around. He I don't know, I don't know. 122 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:54,279 I don't have any It's becoming rather clear that from 123 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,000 every angle on the analysis of this, and it still 124 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,600 has more analysis to do, but the the overwhelming evidence 125 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:07,200 is Iran's nuke damage. Their nuke business is severely damaged. 126 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:12,039 What else have we got today? Oh, this weekend the 127 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,159 big beautiful bill say it's going to vote on it. 128 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,799 They're going to try and vote on it this weekend. 129 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,279 That probably means Sunday night, and the President is staying 130 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:23,559 in DC this weekend to try to shepherd that thing through. 131 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:29,919 Most people do expect it to pass. There always is 132 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:35,360 the I don't know people in Washington, they try to 133 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:37,879 have some sort of drama to it, but most people 134 00:09:37,919 --> 00:09:42,639 are now expecting it to pass. Joe Biden, her top 135 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,159 aid guy by the name of Anthony Burnell. He would 136 00:09:46,159 --> 00:09:49,240 not come before Congress to testify they're doing an investigation 137 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,320 into was the President really running things in the White 138 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,159 House or not? Then he would not testify why not? 139 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,399 What was unless there was some funny business going going on? 140 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,960 Why would he not willfully go over and say here's 141 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,159 what I saw, here's what happened. The President was in 142 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:10,559 charge everything, he was fine, Yeah, he had his mom. No, 143 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,120 he said, I'm not going. I'm not going to testify. 144 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,919 So they have now issued a congressional subpoena to make 145 00:10:17,039 --> 00:10:21,639 Anthony Burnell show up before the committee in the House 146 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,440 that's investigating the use of the auto pen and the 147 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:32,799 cognitive decline of Joe Biden. So let's start with the 148 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:38,639 Supreme Court and the birthright case. It's interesting because they 149 00:10:38,639 --> 00:10:41,639 did not rule on whether or not the Fourteenth Amendment 150 00:10:42,279 --> 00:10:47,159 does in fact control citizenship. If you're born here, you're 151 00:10:47,159 --> 00:10:50,000 a citizen. They did not rule on that. They ruled 152 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:55,240 on the cases around the country where federal judges blocked 153 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,600 the birthright citizenship question, and that's what the case was on. 154 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,759 Now birthright is going to have to be heard on 155 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,919 its own again next fall when the Supreme Court gets 156 00:11:06,919 --> 00:11:11,399 back to work. But for now, let's start with It's 157 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:19,039 Shannon Breen, Andy McCarthy, Jonathan Turley, and Elie Honig, Siri Scheinlen, 158 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,720 the former federal judge. We'll go through and I'll just 159 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,480 play a montage for you. You'll get an idea of how 160 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,440 the lawyers viewed the case by the Supreme Court today, 161 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:31,320 just to. 162 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: Set the table for folks. So a reminder of how 163 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:37,399 this works. The least senior justices release their opinions first, 164 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,200 all the way up to the most senior justices, which 165 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,360 means probably the cases with the biggest impact will be 166 00:11:43,399 --> 00:11:46,120 the last ones we get. We're expecting five, maybe six 167 00:11:46,159 --> 00:11:48,960 if they give us that nationwide injunction case today, and 168 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,639 so those are probably going to be last. That one 169 00:11:51,759 --> 00:11:54,519 also the one with the parents here in this area 170 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,159 who want to opt their kids out of lessons that 171 00:11:57,279 --> 00:11:59,759 include books that say say are in conflict with their 172 00:11:59,759 --> 00:12:02,320 real religious faith. We've also got a case out of 173 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,120 Texas that puts an age limit on online porn access 174 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,200 for minors. So several cases to go as we get 175 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,879 through them today, again in reverse seniority, so I'd expect 176 00:12:11,879 --> 00:12:13,519 the bigger ones to be a little bit later. But 177 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,519 about that nationwide injunction case, remember it came through the 178 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,440 emergency docket. It wasn't handled like a regular case is 179 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,679 on this term. So it's possible that justices don't give 180 00:12:23,759 --> 00:12:25,679 us that decision today. We hope they will. We think 181 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,320 they'll want to get it off of their plate before 182 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,600 they head out to their summer teaching assignments and travel 183 00:12:29,639 --> 00:12:31,759 and those kinds of things. We know that the Chief 184 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,360 Justice has a public event tomorrow, and I'm thinking he's 185 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,279 going to want all these things wrapped up, but we'll 186 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:40,200 have to wait and see it. Okay. Yes, So this 187 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,600 is at least a partial, if not a full. And 188 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:45,480 we're reading this because there are several concurrences here. But 189 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:48,639 it's written by Justice Barrett, which goes against the ruling 190 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,879 that I just gave the guidance because she's one of 191 00:12:50,879 --> 00:12:53,320 the least junior justices, which she was assigned to write 192 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,600 this opinion, and essentially what she says, she says some 193 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,759 say that the universal injunctions give their judiciary a powerful 194 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:02,799 u to check the executive branch, which he says, Federal 195 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,399 courts do not exercise general oversight of the executive branch. 196 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,039 They resolve cases and controversies consistent with the authority Congress 197 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,639 is given to them. When a court concludes the executive 198 00:13:12,639 --> 00:13:15,080 branch has acted unlawfully, the answer is not for the 199 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,039 court to exceed its power. Sounding very much like they 200 00:13:18,039 --> 00:13:20,360 are limiting these injunctions, we know here that they have 201 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:24,879 granted at least partially the stay to these preliminary injunctions, 202 00:13:24,879 --> 00:13:27,679 but they say only to the extent that the injunctions 203 00:13:27,759 --> 00:13:31,120 are broader than necessary to provide complete relief to each 204 00:13:31,159 --> 00:13:34,639 plaintiff with standing to sue. They say, the lower courts 205 00:13:34,639 --> 00:13:37,519 have to move expeditiously with respect to each of these plaintiffs. 206 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,840 Says the injunctions are also stayed to the extent that 207 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:43,639 they prohibit executive agencies from developing and issuing public guidance 208 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,919 about the executive plans implement the executive order. If you 209 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,799 remember part of this executive order on birthright citizenship, the 210 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,000 stay was that the agencies that would be responsible for 211 00:13:54,039 --> 00:13:58,080 actually implementing the change with birthright citizenship, those agencies couldn't 212 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,840 even start making a plan. That part of it is 213 00:14:00,879 --> 00:14:03,759 lifted as well. We do see that the descent here 214 00:14:03,919 --> 00:14:08,120 comes from the three justice As you expect, it looks 215 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,679 like Justice Sotomayer filed the descent. Kagan and Jackson joined that. 216 00:14:12,159 --> 00:14:14,639 Justice Jackson also filed a dissenting opinion. But there are 217 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:19,679 a lot of concurrences here, Justice tomas A Leito, there 218 00:14:19,679 --> 00:14:21,639 are others, so we'll parse through this. But at its 219 00:14:21,679 --> 00:14:24,000 first blush, it looks like this is a win and 220 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,000 putting a limit on these nationwide injunctions. We'll see how 221 00:14:27,039 --> 00:14:31,559 far those limits go. As we dig back through this, well. 222 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,759 Speaker 3: I've only started to read the opinion, but what I've 223 00:14:33,799 --> 00:14:36,399 seen does look like a victory for the Trump administration. 224 00:14:36,759 --> 00:14:40,000 Justice Bart is saying that the only way for justice 225 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,960 to exercise this type of universal injunction in some of 226 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,360 these cases is equable relief, but she does not find 227 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,440 evidence that that type of relief was granted to these judges. 228 00:14:49,759 --> 00:14:53,200 So they indicate that the administration is likely to prevail 229 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,759 on this issue. All of that is going to be 230 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,919 awfully good news for this administration. They have been really 231 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,519 hit with these sort of Liliputian attacks there all these 232 00:15:03,679 --> 00:15:09,360 individual district judges effectively freezing federal policy and programs across 233 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:12,559 the country. So it does appear to be a victory. 234 00:15:12,639 --> 00:15:16,320 It may be a bit more nuanced, but I so 235 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,440 far it looks like a good day for the Trump administration. 236 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,679 Speaker 4: No, you're not wrong. I think this really we never 237 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,799 get to the merits because of the injunction issue. And 238 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,480 it seemed to me that what made this case very 239 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:35,720 interesting to people at the beginning was the birthright citizenship 240 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:39,440 question and the very important question of whether that's compelled 241 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,399 by the Fourteenth Amendment or not. As the case was litigated, 242 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:48,120 it really became this other thing, which was about these 243 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,320 nationwide injunctions, which, for the reasons that Jonathan just mentioned, 244 00:15:52,399 --> 00:15:56,639 are the thing that is plagued the Trunk administration across 245 00:15:56,679 --> 00:15:58,960 the board in its second term. 246 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. I always think it's helpful to turn there because 247 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,960 you can get a sense of exactly what they're pushing 248 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,679 back against with all these different concurrences. And what they 249 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,080 said is because remember, again, this comes to us in 250 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,759 the vehicle of a birthright citizenship case, and the questions 251 00:16:14,759 --> 00:16:17,639 at oral arguments were, Okay, what if district judges decide 252 00:16:17,679 --> 00:16:19,799 differently and they aren't able to give an order for 253 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,480 the entire country, would a child be born in New 254 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:24,960 Mexico have a different right than one in New Jersey 255 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,679 depending on how those judges have ruled in different places. 256 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,159 Just as Sodoma are writing for the Descent, says, the 257 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,279 parents of children covered by what she's calling the citizenship 258 00:16:33,399 --> 00:16:36,679 order would be well advised to file promptly class action 259 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,960 suits and to request temporary injunctive relief for the class 260 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,240 pending class certification. And so she's saying, listen, if you 261 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,080 were one of these parents who are worried about what's 262 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,039 going to happen with the citizenship of your child. You 263 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,039 should be out there filing so that there will not 264 00:16:50,159 --> 00:16:53,200 be this patchwork, that every district will have an opportunity 265 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,200 to weigh in. But she also says get these cases 266 00:16:56,279 --> 00:16:59,039 moving quickly. She says lower courts would be advised to 267 00:16:59,039 --> 00:17:02,200 act swiftly on these request for relief and to adjudicate 268 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,880 the cases as quickly as they can so as to 269 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,079 enable this court's prompt review, saying we have not decided 270 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:11,160 that birthright citizenship question. We want the lower courts to 271 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,599 act quickly so there's not this patchwork, so it gets 272 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:16,920 back here and they actually answer the question on substance. 273 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,799 She goes on to say this today the Court abdicates 274 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:22,960 its vital role in these efforts, saying, with the stroke 275 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,839 of a pen, the President has quote made a solemn 276 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,960 mockery of our constitution, she said, pointing at the President, 277 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,720 and then she goes on to blame the court rather 278 00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:35,279 than stand firm. This court gives way so clearly the 279 00:17:35,279 --> 00:17:37,720 descent not in line with what has been decided by 280 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,680 the majority of this Court. Again, will continue to read 281 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,400 through those concurrences as well. 282 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 5: Looks like as the professor was saying, the court has 283 00:17:45,559 --> 00:17:49,400 not decided the birthright citizenship issue as expected. They have 284 00:17:49,519 --> 00:17:52,240 not said Donald Trump is right or wrong in an 285 00:17:52,279 --> 00:17:55,319 effort to limit birthright citizenship. That is going to be 286 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,759 decided another day, probably next year. You know, it'll come 287 00:17:58,799 --> 00:18:01,119 back up to the Supreme Court. But on the issue 288 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:05,920 of whether district court judges can issue nationwide injunctions can 289 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,359 stop the president's action nationwide, Conservatives have long been skeptical 290 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,680 of that power by district court judges. Generally speaking, conservatives 291 00:18:13,839 --> 00:18:16,880 are more proponents of executive power of the president's power, 292 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,200 and generally speaking, liberals have been bigger believers in the 293 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,200 power of an individual district court judge. 294 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 6: So what this appears to do. 295 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,279 Speaker 5: And I know Paula and Joan and others are going 296 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:28,119 through this and we're reading as fast as we can, 297 00:18:28,279 --> 00:18:32,000 but it does appear to be an expansion of the 298 00:18:32,039 --> 00:18:35,640 president's power to issue these orders because it limits the 299 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,720 ability of district court judges to stop them. The key 300 00:18:38,839 --> 00:18:42,440 test appears to be that courts can issue these injunctions, 301 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,079 but I'm reading from the brief, nare now they cannot 302 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:49,480 be broader than necessary to provide complete relief to each 303 00:18:49,559 --> 00:18:51,680 plaintiff with standing to suit. Now that's a little bit 304 00:18:51,759 --> 00:18:54,759 of legal lease, but basically it says, if district courts 305 00:18:54,759 --> 00:18:57,200 are going to issue these injunctions, they have to be 306 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,720 as narrow as possible. They have to give the plaintiffs 307 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,759 to people who've sued what they're asking for, but they 308 00:19:03,799 --> 00:19:06,960 shouldn't necessarily impact other people who are not parties to 309 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,319 the case unnecessarily. 310 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:12,279 Speaker 4: Now that's a little bit vague, a little. 311 00:19:12,079 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 2: Bit broad, but the Supreme Court does that. 312 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 5: Sometimes they will give a test or a standard and say, Okay, 313 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,279 from now on, you have to apply this test. It 314 00:19:19,319 --> 00:19:21,519 can't be broader than necessary, and then it's up to 315 00:19:21,559 --> 00:19:24,000 the courts to duke it out case by case. So 316 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:29,480 they don't give us mathematical formulas or scientific equations. Frustrating sometimes, 317 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,119 but the courts have given us a broad pronouncement, basically 318 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,039 limiting to some extent to what extent will work out 319 00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:38,599 in the details, but limiting to some extent the ability 320 00:19:38,599 --> 00:19:41,279 of district courts to issue. 321 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,839 Speaker 7: Well, I wish i'd had the chance to read this 322 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,519 entire one hundred and nineteen page opinion. I have not, 323 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,079 so from listening to this summary that I just heard 324 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,079 from La and others on your panel, it seems to 325 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,839 me that the district court powers are limited. I'm not 326 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,680 surprised by that. I expect did that. There's always been 327 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,000 a question about one judge, a single judge, being able 328 00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:08,759 to enjoy something for the entire country when those people 329 00:20:08,839 --> 00:20:11,680 are not before the court, and the court has to 330 00:20:11,799 --> 00:20:15,480 limit itself to those who come before them. And you know, 331 00:20:15,559 --> 00:20:18,400 it all depends on whose ox is being gored. When 332 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,640 national injunctions came out of Texas and stopped Joe Biden's efforts, 333 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:28,039 then the liberals didn't like it. Now that the national 334 00:20:28,039 --> 00:20:33,039 injunctions are stopping President Trump, so the conservaives don't like it. 335 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,400 So the idea that one single judge can do this 336 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,079 has always been a problem. It leads to judge shopping, 337 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,119 it leads to going to certain district court judges, and 338 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,000 that's never been a good thing. But as Ellie said, 339 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,200 how this will play out in the lower courts is 340 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:50,720 yet to be seen. That will take a long time 341 00:20:50,759 --> 00:20:53,960 to develop. What are the circumstances when a judge can 342 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,920 do it and when a judge can't do it. So 343 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,720 I think there's going to be a period of confusion 344 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:01,559 and working things out that you can't even begin to predict. 345 00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, of course, what they're saying is that this 346 00:21:07,079 --> 00:21:10,519 practice of nationwide injunctions, which we went almost two hundred 347 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:14,759 years of American history without having a single one, involves 348 00:21:14,799 --> 00:21:18,680 a court not only making a decision that binds the 349 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,359 parties before it, but making a decision for the whole 350 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,519 nation under circumstances where the court is the non political 351 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:29,640 branch that doesn't answer to the people whose lives are 352 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,119 affected by these rulings. And I think it's interesting what 353 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,400 Shannon just told us about Justice Soto Mayor's suggestion that 354 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:42,079 you go to class actions. That would even that I 355 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,599 think would be a victory for the Trump administration in 356 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,720 the sense that class actions are much more rigorous and 357 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:52,359 much more regulated than the idea of these district judges 358 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,880 in a completely untethered way just making rulings that apply 359 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:57,920 to the whole country. 360 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:00,759 Speaker 6: I think that's right. 361 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 8: This decision frees the Trump administration from having to run 362 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,799 at the beck and call of every single district judge 363 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:12,000 in the country, of which they're almost a thousand and 364 00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:13,920 So what's going to happen now is that the Trump 365 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,119 administration will have to stop. It's executive orders only in 366 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,680 the courts where those judges decide against them, but still 367 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,799 be able to pursue their policies in the rest of 368 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:28,839 the country. Now, the dissenters in the opinion, let me 369 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:33,240 be clear, this is a very important, significant victory for 370 00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:36,440 the Trump administration at the Supreme Court. One I think 371 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,480 that a lot of people did not foresee a back 372 00:22:39,559 --> 00:22:42,599 in January of February when the President took office and 373 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,799 start issuing the executive orders. Now, the downside is we're 374 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:49,599 going to have fragmentation of federal law throughout the country. 375 00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:52,160 This is something the Supreme Court does not want that 376 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,279 most federal courts don't want to tolerate. That's in fact, 377 00:22:55,319 --> 00:22:58,200 why we have an appellate system and the Supreme Court 378 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,519 to make sure there's only one rule of laws. So 379 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:03,079 what's going to have to happen in addition to this, 380 00:23:03,559 --> 00:23:06,640 both for the Trump administration and for the parties that 381 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,079 are challenging his rules, is that the Supreme Court is 382 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,039 going to have to accelerate the review of questions like 383 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,880 the birthright citizenship question to get them to the Supreme 384 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,279 Court faster so that we don't have, say a district 385 00:23:19,279 --> 00:23:23,359 court in Massachusetts and a district court in Texas having 386 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:28,440 enforcing different interpretations of the birthright citizenship question in their courts. 387 00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 3: Well, I think it is very significant. You know, the 388 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:38,200 majority is is really pushing back on just as Soda 389 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,200 Mayor saying, you can't show me any case law in 390 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,319 the universal jurisdiction, they say, well, that's the point, is 391 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,960 that it's silent because this effectively they say this didn't 392 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,480 exist for the framers. They didn't anticipate this, and they 393 00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:54,680 certainly did anticipate this at the beginning of the Republic. Now, 394 00:23:54,839 --> 00:23:59,519 Justice Alito, in his opinion, does flag that the opinion 395 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:04,119 stopped a bit short in establishing clarity on issues like 396 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,440 class certification. The assumption is, and some people push this 397 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,400 in the oral argument, that if you want a national injunction, 398 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,920 just certify a national class, show that you represent people nationally. 399 00:24:17,519 --> 00:24:19,799 There are many that did not want that to happen 400 00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:23,079 because it adds a burden for the plaintiffs. Just as 401 00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:25,559 Alito was saying, you know, you still left a little 402 00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:28,480 bit of wiggle room here. That makes me feel uncomfortable. 403 00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:30,559 But I don't see how you could see this as 404 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:34,359 anything but a tremendous victory for the Trump administration. 405 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 4: Well, it's not over, but it'll be significantly curtailed. Jonathan 406 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,079 just pointed out that Justice Alito says that there's some 407 00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:47,079 wiggle room here. That doesn't surprise me because the Court, 408 00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:52,599 including Justice Barrett during the oral argument, seem to be 409 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:56,880 very sensitive to the downsides of potentially making a rule 410 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,759 that said no universal injunctions at all. So I think 411 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:04,079 there'll still be some wiggle room here. We shouldn't delude ourselves. 412 00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:06,240 Both sides do this sort of thing. I think when 413 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,000 during the Biden years, it was pretty typical for right 414 00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:15,559 leaning states and groups to go to venues like Texas 415 00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:21,319 to file actions that involved enforcement of the federal Immigration 416 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,680 Laws bill. So you know, this is a game that 417 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,759 everybody plays, this forum shopping thing. In a way, if 418 00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:30,960 you're a lawyer, it be irresponsible not to play it 419 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,279 if everybody else is doing it. But to the extent 420 00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:35,240 that it gets curtail, I think that's a good thing 421 00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:35,960 for the country. 422 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: So Justice Jackson wrote a dissentergy said, I agree with 423 00:25:40,759 --> 00:25:43,319 everything that Justice Sotomayer said, but I have to add 424 00:25:43,319 --> 00:25:46,000 my own two cents to this thing, And boy, is 425 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,079 it scorched earth. She goes on to say, in her descent, 426 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,599 perhaps the degradation of our rule of law regime would 427 00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:55,039 happen anyway, but this court's complicity in the creation of 428 00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:57,960 a culture of disdain for lower courts there are rulings 429 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,640 and the laws they interpret, it hastened the downfall of 430 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:06,240 our governing institutions, enabling our collective demise. She goes on 431 00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:09,519 from there, but clearly she sees this decision as something 432 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,079 she obviously disagrees with, but as a very threat to 433 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,680 the structure of our courts and our institutions as they 434 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,559 now exist. I understand there is something that Justice Sparit 435 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:22,279 said in the majority with respect to answering Justice Jackson's descent. 436 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:24,640 I'm trying to tick back to that. But also a 437 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,480 reminder for folks, Justice Barrett was a law professor for 438 00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:31,160 a long time before she got into the world of 439 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,240 being a federal judge. She also taught classes in civil procedure, 440 00:26:35,319 --> 00:26:36,839 which is one of the first things that I had 441 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,480 my first year in law school. You get it as 442 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,079 a first year student, but it gets to the heart 443 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,000 of how things proceed, how the court system works. So 444 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,799 it does make sense now that even being a more 445 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,440 junior justice, why she would have written this opinion. And 446 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:50,799 it gets to this opinion a lot of those questions 447 00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:53,799 that you've heard our other panelists bring up here about 448 00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:57,200 certification of class actions. It takes a lot of work, 449 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,440 it is not easy to do, and there are cautions 450 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,480 throughout this opinion that district court judges not now simply 451 00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:07,400 default to that. So I'm going to go back and yeah, 452 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,240 great questions. So you're right. We had been watching her 453 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,359 because she publicly talked about during the Biden years how 454 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,440 this wasn't a good policy, it shouldn't be the way 455 00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:18,359 that the framers of the Founders would have intended this 456 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,200 to work. But during the arguments here May fifteenth, to remember, 457 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,200 this was a rare ad. They don't hear arguments in May, 458 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,319 they did it for this case. She differentiated during the 459 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,480 oral argument saying that this was a different case. This 460 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:32,359 did not line up with the statements that she had 461 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,039 made during the Biden administration saying that this was a 462 00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:38,680 different situation. So we thought there that we saw from 463 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,119 her during the oral arguments that she may peel off 464 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,079 and go in a different direction. So she clearly has 465 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,799 signed on to Justice Sodomera's descent. That's where she lands 466 00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:51,400 today as to Justice Jackson and that very existential threat 467 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,799 to our institutions dissent that she wrote, Here's what Justice 468 00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:57,519 Barrett wrote in the majority opinion to that. She says, 469 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,200 Justice Jackson chooses a startling line of attack that is 470 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,480 tethered neither to the sources that they sort in coming 471 00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:08,960 to their conclusions, or frankly, to any doctrine whatsoever, waving 472 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,599 away attention to the limits on judicial power as a 473 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,599 mind numbingly technical query. She often offers a vision of 474 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,920 the judicial role that would make even the most ardent 475 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,680 defender of judicial supremacy blush. In her telling, the fundamental 476 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:25,359 role of courts is to order everyone, including the executive, 477 00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:29,680 to follow the law full stop. So some harsh words 478 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,480 back and forth between a couple of the justices, it 479 00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:34,920 sometimes happens in these heated opinions, We understand Justice Sodomayer 480 00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:37,680 is reading. Her descent from the bench doesn't happen a lot, 481 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,839 but it does when there's a very heated feeling about 482 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,240 that descent. So that continues. 483 00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:46,319 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's warranted. I must say, by the 484 00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:51,359 way that the section of the opinion where Justice Barrett 485 00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:55,279 goes after Justice Jackson makes her some pretty sporty reading. 486 00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:55,799 Speaker 6: I mean, she. 487 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 3: Delivers a haymaker where she essentially accuses Justice Jackson of 488 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:11,680 embracing judicial supremacy and somewhat mocks her hyperbolic response. I mean, 489 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,079 the Jackson descent itself is rather radioactive. I mean, she 490 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,599 talks about the collective demise that will come from all 491 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,200 of this that clearly rubbed Justice Barrett wrong. I mean, 492 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,039 the notable thing about this is that Barrett has shown 493 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,640 a willingness in past cases to vote with the liberal justices. 494 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,599 She is not robotic or rigid in that sense, but 495 00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:41,799 she clearly took umbrage at the language in the Jackson Descent. 496 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:47,400 Justice Jackson of late has been more hyperbolic, more heated, 497 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,720 frankly in some of her opinions, and Justice Barrett here 498 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:56,400 is pushing back in an uncommonly direct way for an opinion. 499 00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 8: I think Justice Jackson's rhetoric is exactly look people watching. 500 00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:05,240 Americans should not worry about the rule of law collapsing 501 00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:07,640 in the country just because there's going to be a 502 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,640 few more months of delay between when the Supreme Court 503 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,599 gets to hear a decision and differences in federal l 504 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,799 on the country. We already have a system that is 505 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,799 built to tolerate different interpretations of federal law. That's why 506 00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:24,559 we have thirteen geographic courts of Appeals. That's why it 507 00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:28,559 all goes to the Supreme Court. Even if this rule 508 00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:32,720 is wrong, even if the majority made a mistake, the 509 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:37,000 Supreme Court will still get these constitutional questions, maybe just 510 00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:40,480 a few months later than under this current system. And 511 00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:43,440 at the same time, the president, who is elected through 512 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,039 a democratic process will be able to enforce the agenda 513 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,160 on which he or she is elected. So I think 514 00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:54,680 Justice Jackson, I'm afraid to say, is really exaggerating crime wolf. 515 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,799 And what's the problem here is that this is not 516 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,920 that important a case when it comes to the Constitution. 517 00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:03,599 This is really just an important case about the judiciary 518 00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:08,799 limiting its own jurisdiction in a democratic system where judges 519 00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:12,240 have lifetime tenure and are never elected. So the thing 520 00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:14,359 you would have to worry about on the Court and 521 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,680 its dynamics and Justice Jackson and the other two liberals 522 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,680 is if they're going to cry wolf and say a 523 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,319 case like this, which is fairly technical, as Shannon said, 524 00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:25,880 a case of technical civil procedure, which are most Americans 525 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,960 I hope never have to learn, except a few lawyers. 526 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:30,920 If they're going to cry wolf about this, say the 527 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,400 rule of law is collapsing, When are we ever going 528 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,160 to believe them when that actually is the case. This 529 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,160 is I think that the liberals on the Court are 530 00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:42,599 just shooting off their ammunition when it's not appropriate, and 531 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,119 they are depleting any kind of political capital they have 532 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,279 with their colleagues. They're ruining their opportunities to try to 533 00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:52,119 engage and get some kind of compromise in their direction. 534 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,880 I think it's going to make the six justices who've 535 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,680 been appointed by Republican presidents feel more like they're in 536 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,599 the same foxhold, make them more cooperative with each other 537 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,240 and less tempted to cooperate with the three liberals on 538 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:05,640 the court. 539 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,079 Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, this is why I'm sort of emphatically nodding 540 00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:15,039 as John is speaking, because to my mind, I would 541 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:18,000 say seven chances are more in ten that Trump is 542 00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:20,559 going to lose the you know, the Trump administration is 543 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:24,039 going to lose on birthright citizenship. I don't say that 544 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:28,960 with great happiness. I actually I like the policy that 545 00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:31,680 they want to push I just don't see from in 546 00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:35,680 terms of precedent, how you get around the prior Supreme 547 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,839 Court governing case on this from I think the late 548 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,039 nineteenth century. But you know, the hysteria over this and 549 00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:48,279 the back and forth which is vitriolic over this really 550 00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:55,759 judicial procedural case, belies the likely outcome of this, which 551 00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:57,960 I think is that the you know, the progressives are 552 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,680 actually going to win the case in the end. 553 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, And as we've talked about, it's starting to rain 554 00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:04,519 out here today. It's just one of those days at 555 00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:07,119 the Supreme Court where it is raining down. Also from 556 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,279 the bench, we talked about and we've all talked about 557 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,319 this back and forth between the descent from Justice Jackson, 558 00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:17,759 which is really really forceful and very gloomy about the 559 00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:20,359 future of the judicial institution, And we talked about some 560 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,480 of what Justice Bearit said in response to her in 561 00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:27,759 the majority opinion, she spents several pages expressing where she 562 00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:31,200 feels Justice Jackson has gone too far. She ends her 563 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,200 portion of the Justice Jackson majority opinion saying this Justice 564 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,000 Jackson would do well to heed her own admonition that 565 00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:41,160 everyone from the President on down is bound by the 566 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,440 law that goes for judges too, so I can only 567 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,359 imagine as they had the initial vote after they heard 568 00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:50,000 this case May fifteenth. There's been a lot of sparring 569 00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:53,640 back and forth within the building behind me because some 570 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,079 of these descents feel very personal, and the back and 571 00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:58,599 forth with the majority opinion at times. As I said, 572 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,440 Justice Sodo, myyer's reading from the majority discent right now, 573 00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:04,759 what will be interesting to me is to see if 574 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,639 Justice Jackson reads from her descent. It's the secondary. She 575 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,440 was the only one. There's no sign on to that 576 00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:12,639 Justice Jackson descent. It would be very rare. I don't 577 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:14,400 know that I've ever seen that happen in the years 578 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,760 I've been covering the Court. But because this thing has 579 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,360 been so heated back and forth between these two justices, 580 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,159 I'm watching to see if maybe Justice Jackson gets a 581 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,320 chance to read from the bench as well. We've got 582 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,960 five more opinions to come, but this one, of course, 583 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,960 taking all the headlines in oxygen while we wait. 584 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: So there was a long list of commentary from various 585 00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:35,880 lawyers about what they think regarding the Supreme Court decision 586 00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:39,760 on injunctions and nationwide injunctions, But that was just one 587 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,760 of two big cases today. The other case was the 588 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,039 parental rights for taking children out of classes that have 589 00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:51,039 a curriculum involving LGBTQ books or transgender books. It's a 590 00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:56,440 religious freedom case. Here are some of the lawyers, the 591 00:34:56,559 --> 00:35:01,800 elighni from a former federal prosecutor, Rebecca Pearlstein, she's a 592 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:07,280 constitutional law professor at Princeton and Judge Shinland, who former 593 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,079 federal judge. 594 00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 5: Let's listen spit that came out of Maryland, just north 595 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,760 of the district of Montgomery County, Maryland, where the public 596 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,480 elementary school adopted curriculum that involves stories that have LGBTQ 597 00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:23,599 characters or themes to them. A group of parents from 598 00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:28,159 different religions objected on free exercise of religion basis. They 599 00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:30,719 did not say we want to block the schools from 600 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,079 teaching this materials. What they did say is we want 601 00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,519 to have the opportunity to pull our students out of 602 00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:38,800 class for those lessons. And now the Supreme Court has 603 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,400 agreed with the parents. They have said that yes, the 604 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,679 parents do have the right under the First Amendment Freedom 605 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,280 of Religion, free exercise of Religion clause to pull their 606 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,360 students out of those specific classes. These are elementary school 607 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,960 kids in public schools in Maryland. Yet again a six 608 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,719 to three opinion. Yet again it's the six conservatives on 609 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,719 the inside. Justice Alito wrote this opinion, and yet again, 610 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,239 this is a tough day. I mean, Justice Sotomayor, Kagan, 611 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,719 and Jackson are dissenting on all the big ones. 612 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,039 Speaker 6: As we discuss. 613 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 5: Before, a very sharp descent in the birthright case, and 614 00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:16,440 so far it looks like a sharp descent in this case. 615 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,840 Full Look, this is a win and an expansion of 616 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,440 First Amendment free exercise of religion principles. It's consistent with 617 00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:29,280 where this Supreme Court has gone, and it's a setback 618 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,760 for the school district, but it's really more of a 619 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,239 win for the parents who sued here. 620 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 9: Yeah, and so what this decision says is that parents 621 00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:38,840 have a right under the Constitution, if they have a 622 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,920 religious objection to these particular texts, right not to pull 623 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,440 them out of the class entirely. But the students don't 624 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,360 have to read these books or the like that. It'll 625 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,199 be up to I suppose the school districts in the 626 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,480 first instance instance to figure out how to implement this. 627 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,000 This is not a surprise, this decision out of a 628 00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:58,320 conservative court that has been moving to expand free exercise 629 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,960 rights substantially in recent years. I think the real question 630 00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:05,000 is how broadly is it written? How broadly does this 631 00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:08,519 precedent now sweep going forward. It's not so much just 632 00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:11,519 about the opt out rights from this particular book or 633 00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:15,679 that particular book, but does this include, for example, instruction 634 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,039 on evolution in scientific classrooms in high schools and public schools. 635 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,960 And that will have to read the opinion to find 636 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,079 out to some extent. But that's the real sort of 637 00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:27,239 underlying stakes here. 638 00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:30,679 Speaker 7: Let me go back to the nationwide injunction first. The 639 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,920 one thing we didn't say earlier, and we covered a lot, 640 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,239 is we may see a flood of litigation in fifty 641 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,840 states because the activist lawyers who have brought these cases 642 00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:46,719 were prepared for this. This was an anticipated decision listening 643 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,559 to that oral argument. So I wouldn't be totally shocked 644 00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:52,719 to see forty nine more lawsuits filed in the next 645 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,559 thirty days within the timeframe where where there's a stay, 646 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,400 and so we may see this happens throughout the country, 647 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,280 court after court, as far as the Maryland case. This 648 00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:07,960 expansion of the interpretation of the free exercise clause has 649 00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:10,719 been happening now for almost a decade. It is not 650 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,599 a surprise. The conservative majority has broadened and broadened this 651 00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:20,159 interpretation of the First Amendment way beyond where it was 652 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,159 prior to the last ten years. So again, this is 653 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:28,119 not a surprise decision. It was expected, and it does 654 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,280 give this right for people to be able to opt out. 655 00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:36,280 Whither it will end up, as Professor Peerostein said, banning 656 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:41,639 other ideological issues from the classroom. That's something we don't 657 00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:44,360 know yet, and I don't think I'm hoping that we 658 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:45,280 don't go that far. 659 00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 1: And finally, the third big case was the case out 660 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,880 of Texas, which you had to do with age restrictions 661 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,960 for minors to access born and the Supreme Court did 662 00:38:57,159 --> 00:39:01,840 uphold the Texas law that requires age verification for access 663 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,119 to online pornography. It was a case brought by of 664 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,760 Free Speech Coalition against the Texas Attorney General. The ruling 665 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,039 six to three ruled that the laws burden on adult 666 00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:18,079 consumers was justified by the state's interest in protecting minors 667 00:39:18,519 --> 00:39:25,400 from harmful content. So the porn producers lost and the 668 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,159 state of Texas won. They're not alone. There's one of 669 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:34,079 twelve states that have age barriers for online pornography. But 670 00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:36,960 you want to talk budgets, because that's what the Senate's 671 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,760 going to be doing this weekend. President Trump's staying in 672 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,079 town and in Washington to try to shepherd this thing through. 673 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,159 The Senate says they're going to have a vote on 674 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,719 the big beautiful bill this weekend, probably late on Sunday. 675 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,880 Mark Wayne Bullen, Senator from Oklahoma, chimed in on what 676 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,440 he thinks is going to happen. 677 00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:00,679 Speaker 10: Well, what that shows is there's a lot of elected 678 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,400 officials that have strong opinions. At the end of the day, 679 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,119 that's what we negotiate on. We're trying to get a 680 00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:08,440 bill that isn't going to be perfect, but it has 681 00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:10,360 more reasons to vote for than against. 682 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 6: The biggest issues we're dealing with the salt that's still 683 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,840 a explain that for people that don't might not understand 684 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:16,679 y'all back home. 685 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:21,119 Speaker 10: Yeah, so salt is a state and local taxes and 686 00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:24,079 then you could induct it from your federal taxes. The 687 00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:26,639 issue you have with this is blue states typically have 688 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,440 very high state and local taxes and a lot higher 689 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,840 than red states. So the gripe is is that they 690 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,639 get to claim this from all their federal taxes and 691 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,039 basically red states have to offset it. And so it's 692 00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:44,360 a real sticky point. There's only about five members in 693 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,880 the House that actually come from those salt states what 694 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,519 we call it. There's no senators that come from blue states, 695 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,519 so there's a big gap between the House and the 696 00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:56,480 Senate when it comes to this. The fact is we 697 00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:58,880 need the salt guys because they have to put the 698 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,119 two eighteen on the vote are on the board, and 699 00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:03,320 so we need to pass something in the Senate that 700 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,679 they can deal with. It's expensive, though, it's really Dana, 701 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,039 It's a really really expensive price tag. 702 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,599 Speaker 6: So we've been negotiating. 703 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 10: I was with Secretary Besset last night working with assault guys. 704 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,400 There's a lot of back and forth. We have spent hours, 705 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,480 I'm not joking hours with the White House on this 706 00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:23,920 for the last week, trying to find at landing spot. 707 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,639 And I don't think either side's going to be great 708 00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:28,800 with it. But once again, it's not necessarily about a 709 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,239 strong deal. It's about having more reasons to vote for 710 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,679 it than against it, and that's part of the negotiations. 711 00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:36,840 And Medicaid is also obviously a big sticking point, and 712 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,840 that was my next question is what is going to 713 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,239 happen with the proposed medicaid cuts. 714 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 6: Well here's here. 715 00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 10: You know, Ron John's got some really strong points on this, 716 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,559 Rick Scott, Tom Tillis, Josh Hawley. The fact is is 717 00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:54,159 everybody's putting their input in it, and we've got to 718 00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:56,199 come up with a solution that we can get fifty 719 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,159 one votes on the Senate for with. That's what we're 720 00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:02,559 doing so well, yesterday we had a very good productive 721 00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:05,960 conference where things are starting to shake out. Everybody has 722 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,039 said their piece, everybody has been responsible for try getting 723 00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:11,280 their votes on their idea, and I think we're going 724 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,920 to come out with something this weekend that we can 725 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,079 pass in the Senate floor, get to the House House 726 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:18,599 and going to ball pass and the President bill to 727 00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:21,880 sign it on July fourth. But I believe it's going 728 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,639 to be ceremonial that he signs it on July fourth. 729 00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:24,639 It'll be kind of a neat thing. 730 00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:28,519 Speaker 1: Some of the highlights of the bill funding more money 731 00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:33,960 for ice and for border patrol and for everything regarding immigration. 732 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,639 There's a ban for medicaid to be they can't be 733 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:46,400 used for youth, transgender care, expanding, employer childcare credit, ending, 734 00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:53,559 residential clean energy credit, defunding planned parenthood. And one more 735 00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:55,440 guy to kind of chime in on this. He always 736 00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,559 has a little different flavor, is Senator John Kennedy from Louisiana. 737 00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:07,360 Speaker 11: Well, here's here's where we I think we are. Look, 738 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:13,119 I believe in teamwork. It gives you somebody to blame. Uh, 739 00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:16,840 but but at some point, Uh, you've got to make 740 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,800 a decision. Now. Our quarterbacks are John Thune and Mike Crapo. 741 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,599 They're both rock stars. They're trying to make everybody happy. 742 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:32,039 It can't be done. Uh, we have we have cussed 743 00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:37,960 and discussed and rediscussed. We need to start voting. Everybody 744 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:44,719 needs to adult, adult, real hard and and uh and uh, 745 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,320 the jackassery has to stop. I have encouraged John and 746 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:54,400 Mike to tell everyone, Look, we're gonna start voting tomorrow 747 00:43:54,639 --> 00:44:01,079 at noon. If you're not happy offer amendment, we'll have 748 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,320 a full amendment process. But here's the bottom line. In 749 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:11,039 any legislation of this magnitude, some people are just going 750 00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:13,920 to have to settle for a ham and egg sandwich 751 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,440 without the ham. That's just the nature of the beast. 752 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,760 And I think that if you put everybody to the 753 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,360 test and say, look this is what God made, votes 754 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,159 is time vote? 755 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 6: I think the bill will pass. 756 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,760 Speaker 1: And finally, the argument about was the damage at the 757 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,760 Iranian nuke sites? Was it convincing? Did they actually blow 758 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:42,039 up Iran's nuclear business? Mark Wayne Bullen, the Oklahoma Senator, 759 00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:46,519 had this comment after getting the classified briefing yesterday. Oh 760 00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:50,119 and here's his comment also about Senator Chris Murphy. 761 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,679 Speaker 10: Senator Murphy's lion, and I'll tell you that he's absolutely lying. 762 00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:57,000 All he's trying to do is audition for the twenty 763 00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:59,960 eight election presidential election cycle. There's no one that can 764 00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:03,480 walked out that hearing or that classified briefing has said 765 00:45:03,679 --> 00:45:05,239 that America didn't win on this. 766 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,519 Speaker 6: Can you? I mean, just think about this. One got 767 00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:08,440 to say this real quick. 768 00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:10,679 Speaker 10: There is no way that President Trump, who was the 769 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:16,000 first president to actually deliver on what Clinton, Bush, Obama 770 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,480 and Biden all said that Iran could never have an 771 00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:22,559 acre weapon. The only person that did something about it 772 00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:24,639 was President Trump. So why do we go in there 773 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,840 when we control the airspace and leave before we had 774 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,119 the job done, when we were already started doing the job. 775 00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:32,239 No one called, No one ran us out of the airspace. 776 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,719 We could have stayed there for five days if we 777 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,199 wanted to. Job was complete, and President Trump pulled the 778 00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:39,519 people home. And now guess what. Now they's starting to 779 00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:41,320 be peace in the Middle East for the first time 780 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,480 because President Trump had the backbone to do something. But 781 00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:47,559 yet the Democrats are still rooting for America to lose 782 00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:50,880 against a country who has been attacking us for forty 783 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,639 years and chanting death to America. And we finally did 784 00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:56,239 something to quiet them up, and yet it's still not 785 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,880 good enough for the Democrats. It's because their absolute hatred 786 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,840 towards President Trump that they want America to lose and 787 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,280 not win. Everybody should be celebrating this victory, regardless of 788 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,639 what side of the aisle you're on, because this is 789 00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:10,119 about America and the safety of America today and tomorrow. 790 00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:13,280 Keep in mind, too, it's because of the strong relationship 791 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:18,440 between President Trump and the trust that the Israeli administration 792 00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:20,920 and the IDF have on President Trump having their back. 793 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,280 They couldn't have done this with Biden the office because 794 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,400 there's a tremendous amount of mistrust and because of that mistrust, 795 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,639 they wasn't willing to share actual intel information that we 796 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,719 needed to be able to make the right decisions. But 797 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,119 that's why you have a that's a difference in leadership 798 00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:35,800 between President Biden and President Trump. 799 00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:39,440 Speaker 1: So let's wrap up the week on Wall Street with 800 00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:43,159 it was a very good week. The Dow was in 801 00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:48,320 record territory. Donald Trump came out and talked about continuing 802 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,519 a trade fight with Canada, and that sent the Dow 803 00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,519 Jones industrials lower, gave up about half of They were 804 00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:58,960 up about five hundred points today. But with that trade talk, 805 00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:02,760 it's predicted table. It always gives the market a little shake. 806 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,800 Not that much this time, though, because the Nasdaq and 807 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,159 the S and P five hundred they got knocked down too, 808 00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:13,599 but they came rarely rallying back near the end, and 809 00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:16,639 they finished with the record high on the S and 810 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,199 P five hundred, a record high on the Nasdaq, and 811 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,559 yields interest rates on government bonds coming down, so people 812 00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:30,119 aren't so worried about inflation from tariffs and trade wars. 813 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,039 But it did rattle the Dow just enough to give 814 00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:36,960 it not the high numbers they had earlier, but it 815 00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:40,280 finished up four hundred and thirty two. Like I said, 816 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,400 we were up over five hundred, came down about half 817 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,599 of that, and then in the last half hours so 818 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,639 started rallying to a gain of four hundred thirty two. 819 00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:52,960 The Dow at forty three thousand and eight nineteen, SMP 820 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,760 up thirty two, new record high, sixty one seventy three, 821 00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,760 Nasdaq up a record high of one hundred and five 822 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:04,239 twenty thousand and two seventy three. Price of gold fell 823 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,679 sixty four dollars to thirty two eighty three, and the 824 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:12,000 price of oil down get the dime down to sixty 825 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,559 five dollars fairly fairly tame considering all the activity in 826 00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:20,079 the Middle East. Sixty five dollars for one barrel of oil. 827 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,280 So that's it for today, That's it for the week. 828 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,440 Thank you for coming by, have yourself a wonderful weekend. 829 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,679 We'll be back here and hope to see you on Mondays.