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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. I got a very exciting
Speaker 3: episode tonight. We got a Enigma secer coming on with us,
Speaker 3: Peter aka Enigma Seeker, and he approached me. He wanted
Speaker 3: to come on and talk about Atlantis because it's a
Speaker 3: little bit of a different angle than I think that
Speaker 3: other people have done.
Speaker 4: On the show, and I'm all about that.
Speaker 3: That's why we have so many different people on the
Speaker 3: show at times, because they have different ways of looking
Speaker 3: at things. So yeah, for sure, and it's going to
Speaker 3: be an academic kind of angle and I am very
Speaker 3: much for that. So I'm very interested to hear what
Speaker 3: he's got to say. But before we introduce him, we'll
Speaker 3: introduce the other rejects on the show. And Jules started
Speaker 3: off with you, sir.
Speaker 5: All right, doing good, doing good? What's going on everybody?
Speaker 5: I was here last night on the Quote Rejects. I
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Speaker 5: Enigma Seeker has to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man for sure.
Speaker 2: And shout out to Rebirth who introduced me channel. That's
Speaker 2: how I learned about you guys.
Speaker 4: Very nice.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, Julis, thank you for making this one. You know,
Speaker 3: I know you were here last night. I also saw
Speaker 3: your face this morning for a while.
Speaker 4: That was a blast.
Speaker 5: This morning was a fun esotery book review guys, if
Speaker 5: you haven't checked it out, I don't think it's on
Speaker 5: X anymore, but it's on Rumble and YouTube for now
Speaker 5: until probably tomorrow morning. We looked at uh what was
Speaker 5: it the uh something.
Speaker 6: About wolves something?
Speaker 5: At first it was about l old fawns and and fairies,
Speaker 5: but the book was coded in some old English language.
Speaker 5: So we went on to reading, uh the ofly Wolf
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Speaker 4: Uh, yeah, it was. It was.
Speaker 5: It was fun to say the least. And uh, we
Speaker 5: had some pretty good discussions about it. Uh, stay tuned
Speaker 5: for what was it? Enchanted Wiggers?
Speaker 4: The next excuse me, the next one? Anyway, what was it?
Speaker 4: She saves Christmas too?
Speaker 6: Right, yeah Christmas?
Speaker 4: Yeah, these guys, but no one knows what we're talking.
Speaker 3: Don't be there, disappear you gotta be there.
Speaker 4: But yeah, thank you very much for coming on Jewels again.
Speaker 3: Like I know, on the weekends, you're very busy man,
Speaker 3: and you tend to make a lot of the shows
Speaker 3: on the weekend.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I try r hell Yeah, and Julia, I
Speaker 3: mean out of old people too, just just popped out
Speaker 3: a kid still jumping on.
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you, thank you, and thanks so much. I
Speaker 7: always love joining for episodes like this. I love Atlantis,
Speaker 7: It's one of my favorite topics. But yeah, you know
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Speaker 4: This is why you're here. Thank you. Hell yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know you know what, Actually, out of everybody
Speaker 3: here on the show, I've probably known Julia the longest,
Speaker 3: believe it or not.
Speaker 4: It's fucking wild. We've been in the podcast.
Speaker 7: He literally he literally set up the episode where me
Speaker 7: and my husband worked together for the first time.
Speaker 4: Yeow.
Speaker 9: So yeah, she's got to do a couple reject right Yeah,
Speaker 9: all right.
Speaker 3: Now finally to the man himself, Peter a enigma seeker.
Speaker 3: What is going on, sir?
Speaker 4: How are you?
Speaker 3: Would you like to introduce yourself and maybe you know,
Speaker 3: give give a little bit of your credentials or I
Speaker 3: could just pull it off. I think you have that
Speaker 3: good ready to go and let maybe there know you
Speaker 3: know where they can find you. If you have anything
Speaker 3: you want to promote.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, if you want to bring up the first
Speaker 2: lie we can, Yeah, I can start for a little intro. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So my actual academic background is landscape architecture, so that's
Speaker 2: kind of where I learned about garden history design, and
Speaker 2: but before that it was really studying international studies, which
Speaker 2: deals with like geopolitics, and I took some anthropology and
Speaker 2: that's where I learned about Graham Hancock and Randall Carson,
Speaker 2: which I was leaning to them at that time in
Speaker 2: my bachelor's but in my graduate degree I started shifting
Speaker 2: away from what they were saying after I dig a
Speaker 2: lot deeper research into the topic of Atlantis. But originally
Speaker 2: I was in airports for a little bit, say Japanese,
Speaker 2: so I know, actually probably more about Japan I do
Speaker 2: about Egypt. I am a Catholic, so I do have
Speaker 2: kind of a biblical worldview, but I'm more of a
Speaker 2: kind of like an academic ethol in the sense that
Speaker 2: I don't, you know, I'm not a younger of creationists,
Speaker 2: or I'm not you know, believing some of the things
Speaker 2: that some Freemasons believe, which are carryover what some evangelicals
Speaker 2: used to or believe in, which is more the kind
Speaker 2: of a literal interpretation of scripture and all that, so
Speaker 2: I'm a little more liberal on that topic. And I
Speaker 2: also was a boy scout, so but ufology is probably
Speaker 2: where I first started when I had my actual wou
Speaker 2: woo experience. So I am an eyewitness of the second kind.
Speaker 2: I have contacted the FBI wan. I have talked to
Speaker 2: Linda multenhow I have been on a few times when
Speaker 2: we were helping her out cataloging a phenomenon that the
Speaker 2: uf is producing, and that was called the Mystery Boom phenomenon,
Speaker 2: and so far Luelsandre has not mentioned it. I'm keeping
Speaker 2: an ear out for that to see if he mentions that,
Speaker 2: but that might be in the future. We'll see. But
Speaker 2: something was going on between the years twenty eleven and
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen that caused media reports all around the country
Speaker 2: to start popping up local media and reach national at
Speaker 2: tension once. So that's a whole other topic. But I
Speaker 2: addressed this on the YouTube channel Suspect Sky Adrian's channel,
Speaker 2: and he has compilation videos about UFOs and undified strange
Speaker 2: noises and other paranormal things. So I've made videos for
Speaker 2: him a few times. So that's now kind of where
Speaker 2: I'm shifting. I'm not making as many videos anymore. Back
Speaker 2: to college, I did, but I'm no longer in college,
Speaker 2: so I'm working now as a landscape designer and I
Speaker 2: live in Saint Louis, Missouri. But I did graduate from
Speaker 2: University of Iowa and Iowa State.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, that's wild you met a Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: the lady with the commut relationships, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Linda is still kicking. And she actually got a
Speaker 2: touched a sample of the act some of those UAP
Speaker 2: materials that Gary Nolan's mentioned in others. So that's pretty
Speaker 2: interesting that she got touched that. He's he's the main
Speaker 2: guy that the Pentagon is using to disclose the whole
Speaker 2: existence of the supernatural phenomenons. And again lou was not
Speaker 2: privileged to this until someone went to him. And I
Speaker 2: think that's Mike. I think it was Mullen or what's
Speaker 2: his name, the guy that hates Trump Clapper under the
Speaker 2: Obama administration, those high officials, they're the ones that kicked
Speaker 2: all this off. So you can see why they probably
Speaker 2: didn't want Trump in power at the time. One reason,
Speaker 2: other geopligal reasons, of course.
Speaker 4: Lots of reasons.
Speaker 3: So what what got you you interested in Atlantis?
Speaker 2: Well, again, it was more studying anthropology at the University
Speaker 2: of Iowa, and that's where I ran across Ran Across
Speaker 2: and Graham Hancock, of course, but also it's just like entertainment.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a there's an anime called Nadia which
Speaker 2: inspired Disney's Atlantis, which I loved both of those, and
Speaker 2: I think the Japanese one did it a little bit better. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I like that. Disney didn't go straight to zacharais Sitchen's
Speaker 2: style and Eric wondan whereas the original anime Nadia that
Speaker 2: inspired Atlantis, they went they were U guy Nek Studio
Speaker 2: was inspired by zach Reistitchen and Eric Wondanica. So there
Speaker 2: was more ancient alien route, whereas Disney did more of
Speaker 2: the spiritual route, which is what Graham Hancock was linking to.
Speaker 2: So I think the directors and writers they were listening
Speaker 2: to people at Graham Hancock and Zacharizichen and comparing and
Speaker 2: how they're going to write their story.
Speaker 4: What's your thoughts on Zacharisichien.
Speaker 2: I'm not an ancient alien believer, and I can kind
Speaker 2: of explain that more at the end of the slides. No,
Speaker 2: maybe I used to be, but after experiencing this phenomenon
Speaker 2: firsthand multiple times as a witness of the second kind, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this shit's not aliens. Wish it was, but you know,
Speaker 2: whish it was sexy alien girls. But now I don't
Speaker 2: think so.
Speaker 7: Are So I think you and I might be in
Speaker 7: agreeance on that. I mean, I think people are seeing something.
Speaker 7: I think there's obviously some phenomenon going on. I don't
Speaker 7: necessarily think it's fucking et, but they are seeing something.
Speaker 8: You know, they're seeing fack and.
Speaker 2: Sun copacadd Yeah, yeah, there's there's something going on, which
Speaker 2: David Grush is correct to say. There are biologics, but
Speaker 2: there's a reason why they're avoiding the specific term of
Speaker 2: extraterrestrials in the in the DLD document, if you read it,
Speaker 2: they're avoiding that. But there is one clue that David
Speaker 2: Grush alluded to, and that's the phrase intert meal. So
Speaker 2: as a Catholic, when I hear.
Speaker 8: That, that's what I'm.
Speaker 2: I think angels or demons or jins or what Japanese
Speaker 2: would call yokai or kami. So something a lot deeper
Speaker 2: than just you know, aliens in space ships. Do you
Speaker 2: not think that these.
Speaker 5: Spiritual beings could take on these physical forms though, or
Speaker 5: maybe inhabit something of like some kind of biological form.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what Catholics and muslim believe for over two
Speaker 2: thousand years, and the Egyptians I believe that. So, yes,
Speaker 2: they physically can take avatar forms, but in limited time
Speaker 2: and space. So they're basically the gods of ancient pazz.
Speaker 2: But they're not all powerful. They do have limitations because ultimately,
Speaker 2: as the Tamaism Plato explains, there is a cosmic god
Speaker 2: that keeps order over the lesser gods or the word
Speaker 2: gods and angels and demons are basically the same thing.
Speaker 2: They're just a semantically different thing based off cultural terminologies.
Speaker 2: Like the word angel means messenger but also can refer
Speaker 2: to watchers, but they're more like militaristic terms, like you know,
Speaker 2: a literal messenger from the military goes out and sends
Speaker 2: a message. They're using militaristic language in their theology, and
Speaker 2: that's how the ancient world worked because there was no
Speaker 2: separation of church and state in ancient times.
Speaker 7: I'm already on board yes to everything.
Speaker 6: Hermis was considered the messenger of Zeus that he carried
Speaker 6: the caduces Well, the caduceis was based off of this
Speaker 6: rod that the messengers who observed battlefields would carry so
Speaker 6: that people would kill them. So they had this big
Speaker 6: rod with these white streamers off of the thing, and
Speaker 6: so he was the angel of the god Zeus as
Speaker 6: well as these messengers on the battlefield being the angels
Speaker 6: of that king, whoever it is commanding the armies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Hermis is believed. Some scholars argue that I
Speaker 2: think maybe the former doctor michaels Heiser would argue that
Speaker 2: Hermis or the archangel Michael derived from the inspiration of
Speaker 2: Hermi's motifs and from Hermes. The Greek since got that
Speaker 2: inspiration from Anubis. So it does go back to the
Speaker 2: land of Atlantis, is what I argue. Atlantis.
Speaker 5: Most people would connect Hermes with Thoth, but that's the first.
Speaker 8: Time I've heard.
Speaker 2: Yeah again, I wouldn't get too attached to these place
Speaker 2: these names on so called angels, because real angels, we
Speaker 2: have no idea what the hell their names are, right,
Speaker 2: we give these titles like Gabriel or no so Rafayel
Speaker 2: for example, it just means the healing angel or it's
Speaker 2: a title phrase. It's not meant to be like literally
Speaker 2: his name is Rafayel. No, there's many iterations of that.
Speaker 4: That's why not magic. He's known for being a healing
Speaker 4: angel because what you just said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when you invoke, like if Catholics invoke that,
Speaker 2: some caps might take it literal like he's literally named that.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't really matter that whatever interdimensional beings around you,
Speaker 2: they might heal you from you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: kidney stones or something, if you have real severe if
Speaker 2: depending on your spiritual state, they could intervene. I think
Speaker 2: Madam Blovotsky and other occultists believe that that, yes, you
Speaker 2: can summon angels through psionics is when now what they're
Speaker 2: calling it, But it's basically prayer meditation.
Speaker 4: Ug all right, so uh we can go next time.
Speaker 3: Su Oh, that's right, I'm controlling it my beads.
Speaker 4: There we go.
Speaker 2: So I guess getting I had a falling away from
Speaker 2: you know, Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock, mainly because you know,
Speaker 2: as I studied at McBride Hall at the University of
Speaker 2: Iowa was on the upper left hand that building. That's
Speaker 2: why I first heard about their names. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: my professor actually mentioned them, so that was interesting. So
Speaker 2: after he mentioned them, I dug deep and I started
Speaker 2: to kind of fall for it, and I started to
Speaker 2: believe that maybe Atlantis is basically North and South America.
Speaker 2: But then I realized, uh, that's a mistake, because it
Speaker 2: was basically Christopher Columbus assuming that maybe that's Atlantis. And
Speaker 2: he's one of the first to promote this idea. So
Speaker 2: that's why he named the first islands the Antilles or Antilias,
Speaker 2: and from there, since Columbus set that precedent, others like
Speaker 2: father Charles Brazio de Borgia. I can't say he's a
Speaker 2: French dude, but he's the first one that really fall
Speaker 2: in love with the Mayan culture. He was a Catholic
Speaker 2: priest and archaeologist and he did a lot of work
Speaker 2: on Mayan history and really trying to analyze that. I
Speaker 2: think Dan de d Dunker has mentioned him in one
Speaker 2: of his videos and details, so I do applaud him
Speaker 2: for that. But from there, you know, he influenced Ignatious
Speaker 2: Donnelly and Ignatia. Donald was politically motivated more so, and
Speaker 2: he went to put his nationalist place attachment of Atlantis
Speaker 2: in the Americas, or at least maybe in the Central Atlantic,
Speaker 2: because there was a basic misconception between Atlantic Ocean and
Speaker 2: Atlantic Sea. So that's where the confusion's coming about. People
Speaker 2: thinking it's literally in the Atlantic Ocean. But that's not
Speaker 2: the Greek's perspective at the time of you know, Solon,
Speaker 2: or the time of even Plato in some sense, So
Speaker 2: there's some misconceptions on. You know, Graham and Random are
Speaker 2: kind of using Atlantis as more of a concept to
Speaker 2: represent a lost civilization befour hours before the Ice Age.
Speaker 2: And that's fine. And I told Graham once on Facebook,
Speaker 2: you know, it would be good to not use the
Speaker 2: name Atlantis in his in his documentary Ancient Apocalypse, and
Speaker 2: he actually did surprisingly avoid using that name because I
Speaker 2: think he understands now that Okay, historically, when you look
Speaker 2: into the deeper rings of Plato, it's pretty clear it
Speaker 2: has nothing to really do with the Americas or but
Speaker 2: you know, so now it's people have broadened the term
Speaker 2: Atlantis just means something something well lostation past. And no
Speaker 2: thanks to Hollywood too. It's really Hollywood that brainwashed a
Speaker 2: lot of people.
Speaker 6: To give you a little bit of pushback though we
Speaker 6: can't forget about Francis Bacon's book The New Atlantis, which
Speaker 6: really did inspire a lot of Founding fathers and how
Speaker 6: they wanted to form the country. And you know, yes,
Speaker 6: because that's a big pillers, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's why there's an well the Freemasons, Yeah,
Speaker 2: when they when the early Freemasons came to America, so
Speaker 2: they really thought that the Americas was that continent that
Speaker 2: Plato was speaking about. But there is simply some translation
Speaker 2: errors at that early period before Benjamin Jowad updated that.
Speaker 2: But even Benjamin Jowad, the British translator, got some basic
Speaker 2: things wrong. But the night, I'd say ninety five percent
Speaker 2: or more is correct. But there's a few things like
Speaker 2: is it nine thousand or is it nine hundred? Or
Speaker 2: do you divided by the three seasons that's match in
Speaker 2: the Middle East? Or is it by the lunar calendar?
Speaker 2: So there's some confusion on the translations. And more likely
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to blame US Catholics for that because
Speaker 2: of probably a bunch of monks in Italy or France
Speaker 2: that messed up some translations that ended up eventually getting
Speaker 2: to England. So over time people thought when when the
Speaker 2: Romans named or when the Romans emphasized that the streitcherche
Speaker 2: of Bulture is this and this new pillars of Hercules,
Speaker 2: everyone assumed it was outside that. But when you actually
Speaker 2: read Tomatoes and Criteias, it's saying it's subdued inside the pillars.
Speaker 2: But in the Critaeus they're denoting a different pillars than
Speaker 2: in Timaeus. So there's two pillar locations. And that's according
Speaker 2: to George sarn Titi's and I think it's Johanna James
Speaker 2: who promoted Jack Kelly's documentary Atlanti's Puzzle, and George Santizi's
Speaker 2: was actually one of my researchers, and he is correct
Speaker 2: to realize that Atlantis does have something to do with
Speaker 2: literally North Africa. So credit to Jimmy from Bright Inside
Speaker 2: for figuring that out as well. Atlantis is definitely associated
Speaker 2: to the continent of North Africa, but not just Africa.
Speaker 2: Basically anything that's the Middle East and North Africa to
Speaker 2: the Greeks was Atlantis the continent. But the island is
Speaker 2: something specific. Again, it might be a translation there too.
Speaker 2: Is it island or is it oasis? How do we
Speaker 2: translate that from Greek to French to Italian whatever in English.
Speaker 2: So there might be some mistakes along there on how
Speaker 2: Plato is emphasizing the idea of an island. Is he
Speaker 2: saying island in a poetic sense, or is he's saying
Speaker 2: it actually is like an oasis because Egypt is surrounded
Speaker 2: by sand, a sea of sand.
Speaker 6: Well, there's also the esoteric angle of Tomais and Critius,
Speaker 6: which seems to get a lot more attention from the
Speaker 6: academics then the actual cosage. There could be one, you know,
Speaker 6: in reality.
Speaker 2: So if you're that, yeah, go ahead, yeah, you're correct.
Speaker 2: I was going to show you something. Wait do you
Speaker 2: see that link down there? Oh, go back? Can you
Speaker 2: click on that and he can open that And I
Speaker 2: think it was Father Charles that he kind of presents
Speaker 2: some esoteric ideas. Yeah, and click on that map fourteen
Speaker 2: eighty that. Yeah, so this is the map that may
Speaker 2: click it again. Oh, I don't know if you can
Speaker 2: zoom in. But in this map, this is what basically
Speaker 2: Randall Carls and Graham Hancock are basing Atlantis on. Because originally,
Speaker 2: you know, back in the old days when they wrote maps,
Speaker 2: maps were more of an artistic thing. It wasn't exactly
Speaker 2: detailed detail because they just simply didn't know how to
Speaker 2: draw the exact shapes of islands and everything. But they're
Speaker 2: pretty close, you know, maybe fifty percent sixty percent, pretty accurate.
Speaker 2: But they put the Antilles or Atlantius in these Eye
Speaker 2: was near the Azores, and they thought that was associated
Speaker 2: with Atlantis because at this time in the fourteenth century,
Speaker 2: some some thought that it was outside the pillars, but
Speaker 2: George Sorountisi is saying, no, it's more likely inside the pillars.
Speaker 2: And then there's another map that kind of shows why
Speaker 2: that would be. But that's that's an interesting map, I thoughts.
Speaker 2: But everything Graham Hancock ran across and believe in is
Speaker 2: based off this kind of this old map that is
Speaker 2: just saying that it has something to do with the Azores.
Speaker 2: But that's a misconception because people were still discovering new land.
Speaker 2: They just simply didn't know the translations because there was
Speaker 2: no map by Erodus. The map we see, even Heradus
Speaker 2: is just made up in the eighteen hundreds. It's not
Speaker 2: he made up.
Speaker 6: Also, Hercules is a character in Greek mythology that represents
Speaker 6: their ability to expand and go outside of these areas
Speaker 6: that were known to them before. So the Pillars of
Speaker 6: Hercules keep getting pushed back the more they discover in
Speaker 6: Western Europe, and a lot of people don't realize that
Speaker 6: at the time of Plato that was a very different
Speaker 6: place called the Pillars of Hercules than they are today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's multiple pillars of Hercules locations, according to
Speaker 2: what George Santitis found, and he said, it's another reference
Speaker 2: to the aege and c. So if you go back,
Speaker 2: I maybe there's another map I think I have.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 2: Let's see if you can go back, you go back
Speaker 2: to slides. I think the links on there. But this
Speaker 2: is an interesting map.
Speaker 4: I thought, oh yeah, yeah, I just went in a
Speaker 4: book and make it larger.
Speaker 2: Uh. I know the original map. I think it's at
Speaker 2: the University of Minnesota. But yeah, this is a in
Speaker 2: a I think it's in a book. Yeah, okay, but
Speaker 2: there's Yeah, it's an old photographer. Now this is the
Speaker 2: right of that what's his name father? The French priests
Speaker 2: of archaeologist that went to Mexico. So he's the one
Speaker 2: that started to think that Atlantis was Central America basically,
Speaker 2: and he thought that there was a connection with the Bible,
Speaker 2: and he's correct, but he started to think, you know,
Speaker 2: and there won food as the discovering new land, and
Speaker 2: they're discovering the minds and looking at these pyramids are like,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, you know, that's amazing. So he fell
Speaker 2: in love with that culture at the time and learning
Speaker 2: all about it, and he wanted to place it in
Speaker 2: Central America or have something to do with Central America.
Speaker 2: But in reality, that's when the Freemasons started to realize, Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe this is not correct. So Freemasons started to really
Speaker 2: honor Egypt more, which is why a lot of their
Speaker 2: temples are Egyptian style, because they realized in geopolitical philosophy
Speaker 2: or terms, that Egypt is the first true nation state
Speaker 2: and that's because of the typology it has that forced
Speaker 2: it to be cohesive compared to other regions like Babylon
Speaker 2: or in China, it took a long time to consolidate power,
Speaker 2: but Egypt was considered the first true nation state, and
Speaker 2: that is why the Freemasons honored Egypt so much, because
Speaker 2: Egypt was kind of like a symbol of America, like
Speaker 2: a new Atlantis. You know, that's that's where azation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so uh yeah.
Speaker 2: But I mean I can't read that as French, but
Speaker 2: there are some translations. But this is an original scan
Speaker 2: copy of his book that explains. But he started this,
Speaker 2: this priest really, you know he wasn't. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't think the Catholic Church really supported it, but he
Speaker 2: his work. At the time, they accepted it because you know,
Speaker 2: they're still discovering the new world. To them, it was
Speaker 2: all new and it was naturally. The logic was, well,
Speaker 2: this is a new lost world, this is Atlantis, because
Speaker 2: they were correlating to this idea that is Atlantis loss.
Speaker 2: But when you actually read played, a majority of Tamatoscrtaias
Speaker 2: is not about Atlantis. Atlantis is simply the foundation example
Speaker 2: used for a broader cosmological understanding of the universe to
Speaker 2: fit to a geopolitical allegory. That's where it gets a
Speaker 2: little confusing.
Speaker 6: Right, He's talking more about the ideal state, and there's
Speaker 6: this angle that keeps popping up is the city state
Speaker 6: versus the nation state, and those were.
Speaker 2: The Greeks hadn't really yeah, because the Greeks didn't really
Speaker 2: have a nation state. They had city states. But when
Speaker 2: they went to Egypt, there was The first nation state
Speaker 2: they encountered was Egypt, so then they were starting to
Speaker 2: question about the whole idea of geopolitics and how you
Speaker 2: form a state. What's the best way? Did Egyptians have
Speaker 2: the best way? But the Egyptians tend to be more
Speaker 2: authoritarian because they're forced to buy agriculture, whereas in Greece
Speaker 2: it's a more sporadicallyperse agriculture between mountains and valleys, and
Speaker 2: it wasn't as unified, so it took more time for
Speaker 2: warfare to unify that region by force. But in Egypt
Speaker 2: was there wasn't as much warfare as like you see
Speaker 2: maybe in Babylon, because Babylon didn't have have a fertile plane,
Speaker 2: as Plato describes, there's a fertile plane. And he said
Speaker 2: on either side of this plain there were mountains. But
Speaker 2: the translation again from mountains may be partially wrong, but
Speaker 2: he says they're not very high, so he's implying that
Speaker 2: you could see across this plane. But then he says
Speaker 2: there's rivers through the plane. So I'm like, okay. So
Speaker 2: old Brickter of Straubenheind Germany is arguing another researcher. He's saying, well,
Speaker 2: maybe that's referring to a river, valley or a delta,
Speaker 2: and that's where he kind of correlate. He didn't say
Speaker 2: Egypt pacifically, but he was trying to leave it open
Speaker 2: to Okay, okay, it must be referring to some kind
Speaker 2: of natural typology of a river, and there's only a
Speaker 2: few civilizations in the Middle East that could that could
Speaker 2: be so, But people everybody thinks, you know, Pilowspercoles is
Speaker 2: a stretches of Volta, and it's correct Plato was inferring that.
Speaker 2: But in the Timaeis or Creteus, they're referring to two
Speaker 2: different types of pillars, the Aegean Sea and then the Mediterranean.
Speaker 2: So the priest's decie is saying that you Greeks are
Speaker 2: from the little Sea and we're from the big Sea. Okay,
Speaker 2: they're trying to like, you know, they were the older
Speaker 2: civilization and you're learning about your lost history from us.
Speaker 2: So that's why the Greeks are going to the Egyptians
Speaker 2: to learn about their lost history or so on's potential.
Speaker 2: We don't know if someone went to Egypt. It's not
Speaker 2: enough records, but more likely he did, it wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been that hard for him to travel over. But imagine
Speaker 2: if you're a Greek, you know, at the time of
Speaker 2: seven hundred BC, and you land in Egypt for the
Speaker 2: first time, seeing mego withic structures and temples, you would
Speaker 2: be shocked. It would be an Atlantean kind of world.
Speaker 2: So it's sparks stories and all the trade issues and
Speaker 2: economics and politics and then and.
Speaker 6: All the major Greek thinkers had to go to Egypt
Speaker 6: to be inducted into their mysteries. And Herodotus even writes
Speaker 6: about this place. We know where it is today, but
Speaker 6: they're just not willing to excavate it. It's actually in
Speaker 6: a place that they it's like two football fields underground,
Speaker 6: and so this underground mystery school that was talked about
Speaker 6: in Herodotus was found, but they're just not excavating it. So,
Speaker 6: you know, makes me wonder about Atlantis and all the
Speaker 6: rest of this stuff, about what's actually being kept from
Speaker 6: us and what's actually being let out. But I understand it.
Speaker 6: It's because there's a dam nearby and the entire place
Speaker 6: is flooded, so all of this underground chamber that they
Speaker 6: had is now completely you know, flooded. It's a giant
Speaker 6: sewer system and they don't want to have to mess
Speaker 6: around with all this hydrology from the dam to actually excavate.
Speaker 2: So it's frustrating the Oswan dam.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's close to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, they have moved to some of the temples,
Speaker 2: but it's it does make me wonder if there were
Speaker 2: a few temples they left underwater intentionally. Is possible, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean literally in modern days, we turned Egypt into
Speaker 2: Atlantis by flooding that part of the region. But the
Speaker 2: majority of the actual Atlantis, the island, was the Delta,
Speaker 2: Like that was the geopolically most important locations to the Persians,
Speaker 2: to the Greeks, because that's where they got their their beer,
Speaker 2: their bread, and it's shipped up by the Phoenicians into
Speaker 2: into Greece and into the Artessian region of Spain and Italy.
Speaker 2: We go back to the slides. I can kind of
Speaker 2: explain more.
Speaker 7: I have a quick question for you. Sure, are you
Speaker 7: familiar with Gary Wayne at all? Like the Genesis sixth guy.
Speaker 7: Are you familiar with him?
Speaker 2: Is that the paper by.
Speaker 7: The CIA called Eden No, he's like he talks a
Speaker 7: lot about what Jules you know who I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I keep having a couple people kind of pressure
Speaker 5: me to get him on. I need to hit him up.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's really cool.
Speaker 7: But he talks a lot about Atlantis, and one of
Speaker 7: his theories is like Atlantis was like this huge city
Speaker 7: and places like Egypt and.
Speaker 5: Like the worldwide civilization. Right, maybe the capital that the
Speaker 5: island may have been the capitol or the place where
Speaker 5: you know, they that's partially convened because there were twelve
Speaker 5: families I think rumored to have control of these civilizations
Speaker 5: and the head of it being at Less, right, this
Speaker 5: god at Less.
Speaker 7: And then like, yeah, those places are like they're like
Speaker 7: satellite cities to Atlantis.
Speaker 2: They're like little breakaway.
Speaker 7: I'm glad you're here because you said it more, you
Speaker 7: said it better than I did. But yeah, that's basically
Speaker 7: the theory. And I think, I mean, it could have legs,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you make the claim too big,
Speaker 2: it becomes unrealistic to actual archaeological records. So that's where
Speaker 2: maybe he might have too much of a New Age
Speaker 2: perspective and he makes the story bigger than it really is.
Speaker 2: And that's what that priest did, and you know it
Speaker 2: was ignacious, Dolly, and that Priest and eventually Graham Hackl Randam.
Speaker 2: They're just they're making the story so much bigger than
Speaker 2: it really is. In reality, it all goes back to
Speaker 2: the origins of geopolitics and the origins of agriculture and history.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have anything to do with the new world
Speaker 2: of Central America or South America. So I wouldn't broaden
Speaker 2: it that much because we would have abundance amounts of
Speaker 2: evidence of that. If you're making such a massive claim.
Speaker 2: I don't know who this guy is, but someone like
Speaker 2: you know exact right Citi, aera front Tech, and they
Speaker 2: make these stories so much bigger than it really is.
Speaker 2: And I think that's that's called the historians fallacy, where
Speaker 2: we're trying to paint our globalistic worldview to this law civilization,
Speaker 2: but in reality, you know, we would we would have
Speaker 2: found that evidence by now and wouldn't be you know,
Speaker 2: spear points and a few arrowheads. It would be very clear,
Speaker 2: you know, steel swords, petrified in stone, or foundation stones
Speaker 2: or granite slabs, because you know, if you go to
Speaker 2: corporate buildings today, a lot of them have lots of
Speaker 2: slate of granite everywhere for their buildings and their fancy
Speaker 2: lawyer offices, and you would find that stuff. It would
Speaker 2: be buried over time, and when it's buried, he's actually
Speaker 2: preserved compared.
Speaker 6: To how much we agree and disagree at the exact
Speaker 6: same time. So I'm fully on board with the idea
Speaker 6: that there could be this Egyptian Atlantis idea, right, I
Speaker 6: think that's that's definitely a possibility. But at the same time,
Speaker 6: I look at all of the Ogum texts and all
Speaker 6: the rest of these Dolmans in North America and these
Speaker 6: other things, and I'm like, well, this kind of seems
Speaker 6: a little bit Atlantis too. I think there's probably a
Speaker 6: lot of different, uh you know, combinations or recombinations of
Speaker 6: how people went back and forth across the Atlantic that
Speaker 6: maybe didn't get recorded and didn't have much to do
Speaker 6: with Tomais and Critias.
Speaker 2: That's where you're stretching the story away from the primary source,
Speaker 2: which is Plato in his topas Critias and the Republic. See,
Speaker 2: we can't take Atlantis out of the context of the
Speaker 2: work of the Republic, which is completely about which civilization
Speaker 2: the Persians and which civilization built round cities the Persians.
Speaker 2: They have two of them. You can see them from
Speaker 2: satellite view. One's called de rabagird On, one's called Gore.
Speaker 2: So is there a possible conflation that Plato is taking
Speaker 2: Persian motifs and infusing that with Egyptian wise and possibly
Speaker 2: hit type, because he's just basically saying anything that's not
Speaker 2: Europa is Atlantis. So that's why the Atlas Mountains are
Speaker 2: named Atlantis. That's why Atlantia sometimes is referred to the
Speaker 2: Romans as Ethiopia. So Jimmy is right to put it
Speaker 2: back in Africa. But we want to make the story bigger. Now.
Speaker 2: There might be other civilizations that are lost, but they
Speaker 2: have nothing to really do with Plato's Atlantis. Like you know,
Speaker 2: go Beckley. Tepe is very close, you know, to Greece
Speaker 2: in some sense, but Plato had no idea of that civilization.
Speaker 2: He didn't care about that. What he cared about is
Speaker 2: the brown people conquering the white people because the hit
Speaker 2: Types and the Assyrians and the Egyptians were the big
Speaker 2: empires of the time and they were starting to expand
Speaker 2: up into Greece. So this was the proto Hellenes. Would
Speaker 2: have been the Mysonians and actually the Mycenians probably would
Speaker 2: have been darker. Skinned a little bit more tan Mediterranean
Speaker 2: at that time because the Mycenians mixed with the Manol.
Speaker 2: The Minoan's definitely traded with the Egyptians. And there's one
Speaker 2: Uh well, I kind of follow my slides here here, Well,
Speaker 2: actually you can go to the next slide, so I
Speaker 2: can get a burying where I'm at. So yeah, So
Speaker 2: basically it's just makes logical sense to ask the question.
Speaker 2: You know, if Plato says that Atlantis stretches from Libya
Speaker 2: to Asia, and he says it's it's bigger than that,
Speaker 2: he's referring to this vast continent, and that vast continent
Speaker 2: has to be Africa and Asia or pecifically the Middle East,
Speaker 2: because he's talking about a war he's emphasizing. And in Freemasonry,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of kind of you know, understanding of
Speaker 2: the kind of the political worldview but also spiritual mixed
Speaker 2: and so the Freemasons and the Vatican and the Persians,
Speaker 2: in the ancient Greeks, they all honored Egypt because Egypt
Speaker 2: came first before anyone else when it comes to the
Speaker 2: first true nation state. So you know, like you know,
Speaker 2: Harrieus Truman was a thirty third degree Freemason. I believe
Speaker 2: you was, and you know he probably understood that it
Speaker 2: has something to do with Egypt, and that's why you
Speaker 2: have an obelisk in the center of Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: And why a lot of Freemason temples are inspired by
Speaker 2: Egyptian architecture because they were the first architects. They were
Speaker 2: the first nation state, the political entity that unified first
Speaker 2: before Babylon. It wasn't until Sargon of a Cod came
Speaker 2: and forced unification and developed the Acadian civilization. So when
Speaker 2: people say, oh, the garden to bed and super, no,
Speaker 2: that super was no paradise. It was a hellhole ten
Speaker 2: degrees hotter on average in Egypt, not a Mediterranean climate.
Speaker 2: There's no black soil to create enough fertility for ag culture,
Speaker 2: and there's no monumental architecture at the level of Egypt.
Speaker 2: So it's so stupid that Evan Jeb was kind of
Speaker 2: latched onto that. But that's just a misconception because over time,
Speaker 2: when they first discovered and learned about the Muslim world,
Speaker 2: you know, they're confusing some of the Muslim writings with
Speaker 2: the Biblical texts, and they'd have all the Biblical texts,
Speaker 2: so they start thinking well, you know, maybe it's literally
Speaker 2: Babylon over here, but over time place names changed. There
Speaker 2: was a place called Babylon Fortress in Cairo, but also
Speaker 2: Babylon in Iraq. And there's the Gihon River was sometimes
Speaker 2: associated with the Nile. But then there's Land of kush
Speaker 2: Can be Ethiopia, but also in Iran. So it gets
Speaker 2: confusing because these place names are being recycled over and over.
Speaker 2: That's why it's confusable. Well, one thing we know for sure,
Speaker 2: it's not Easter Island, as Dandy Dunker might art you
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with that because Plaosas elephants.
Speaker 6: Well, there was a species of elephant that went extinct
Speaker 6: with the end of the Carthaginian Empire that was in
Speaker 6: North Africa. So they have all one there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: a smaller version. That's what they took across the Alps.
Speaker 2: And they got those from Africa. There's a small speed
Speaker 2: scent not small, yeah, relatively small to the main elephants
Speaker 2: in Sub Sahara, Africa. But there was a North African
Speaker 2: elephant and the Egyptians basically killed them all for use
Speaker 2: them in warfare or made for labor as well. So
Speaker 2: that's not other question but they were a hindrance to
Speaker 2: their agriculture, so Egyptians basically wipe them out, and then
Speaker 2: the Romans eventually too, but they used them for eventually
Speaker 2: into circuses and things like that and for display. But yeah,
Speaker 2: they were They got up to I think islands near
Speaker 2: Greece or Crete and spread up into Rome. So there
Speaker 2: were these elephants. So when Playo speaks about that, they
Speaker 2: did exist at the time in that region. They got
Speaker 2: them through trade from Egypt.
Speaker 8: So they're fucking elephant killers. That saddens me. Iphants stopping crops,
Speaker 8: but they're so cute.
Speaker 7: Listen, are you saying Egypt could be Atlantis? Like that's
Speaker 7: the misconception is like they read they came up with
Speaker 7: this name Atlantis, but really they were describing Egypt.
Speaker 8: Is that like the takeaway here?
Speaker 2: That's what when when some of the dialogues in Way
Speaker 2: to Speak, they say, oh, you Socrates always make up
Speaker 2: stories of Egypt. There's some phrase like that, because that's
Speaker 2: exactly a Plato.
Speaker 4: Dude.
Speaker 2: Plato is taking socrates ideas and making up a story
Speaker 2: about Egypt. He's basically using Egypt as an allegory but
Speaker 2: putting a good spin on it. Against the other Atlanteans.
Speaker 2: And there's another Atlanteans that everyone forgets, and it's associated
Speaker 2: to the war, and it's not the Egyptians, it's the Hittites,
Speaker 2: Turkey Anatolia. So again that's why I say Plato says
Speaker 2: across the sea, so across the Greek world, either through
Speaker 2: the gen c or all the way down to Egypt
Speaker 2: and Palestine, that region was another world to them, completely
Speaker 2: different typologies. That was the Atlantean old world. So when
Speaker 2: Plato speaks about the khaliplist in the Republic, he's speaking
Speaker 2: about the future new world of the Greek world and
Speaker 2: using democracy, well semi democracy, but they allow women to vote,
Speaker 2: but they're debating about whether it keep that monarchic system
Speaker 2: or democracy, and there's a divide. And when Plato's writing
Speaker 2: the story, he's keeping in context of the Persian wars.
Speaker 2: So to the to Plato, Persia is the neo Atlanteans.
Speaker 2: Hence why there's round cities. So there actually are one
Speaker 2: mile diameter long palace round cities that are completely wiped
Speaker 2: out over time by Alexander the Great and other wars.
Speaker 2: And he's associated with the Persian world order and Egypt
Speaker 2: is a part of that, but he wants to put
Speaker 2: a good spin sort of on Egypt because they want
Speaker 2: to make an alliance of Egypt against the Persians. And
Speaker 2: he's talking about older warters, saying, hey, we can beat
Speaker 2: back the Persians because we did it before, and the
Speaker 2: Egyptian said, we did it before, and that old war
Speaker 2: was with the Hittites. Now we can. I'll show you
Speaker 2: my sources on that. We can go to the next
Speaker 2: slide and I can explain where I get that from.
Speaker 7: Did you watch Black Panther Part two? No, by any chance,
Speaker 7: I was just gonna say, they put a lot of
Speaker 7: shit in the Marvel movies. Obviously a lot of people
Speaker 7: know about that, but.
Speaker 8: They seemed like.
Speaker 7: And also like Aqua Man right with Atlantis, like it
Speaker 7: still exists and it's all sunk in and shit, so
Speaker 7: you don't believe any of that stuff, Like it's somewhere
Speaker 7: so fucking as.
Speaker 2: Each of us have ruins underwater. And now maybe they
Speaker 2: don't go back to the time of the actual date
Speaker 2: of the Santuri eruption, which is one thousand, six hundred BC,
Speaker 2: And if you take away the nine thousand and use
Speaker 2: the nine hundred date, which is what these authors are
Speaker 2: all arguing, and so these researchers are basically saying, it
Speaker 2: doesn't make logical sense if they say that proto Athenians existed,
Speaker 2: who could that be? It must be the Myceneans and
Speaker 2: they And once in the nineteen fifties we learned about
Speaker 2: the Santorini eruption, we realized that the Centerini eruption was
Speaker 2: a big, major event. It was not just your normal
Speaker 2: volcano eruption. It was actually a super massive volcano going
Speaker 2: boom with two thousand mega tons Castle Bravos fifty ton
Speaker 2: fifty megatons. So John g and Jaquin Griffiths and Ryan's Carpenter,
Speaker 2: they're all saying it has to do with Santorini. But
Speaker 2: what's confusing is they thought this associated Atlantis is the Minoans. No,
Speaker 2: and Plato is clear that it's across the Atlantic Sea,
Speaker 2: and the original Atlantic Sea, or to George Santigis and others,
Speaker 2: is the Mediterranean. It's not the Atlantic Ocean because you
Speaker 2: got to rotate that map. And the way the Greeks
Speaker 2: are look at the world as they're saying, across the sea,
Speaker 2: there's this paradise island filled with elephants and Plato says
Speaker 2: it doesn't rain, and there's monumental architecture and all that.
Speaker 2: So he's using Egypt as that island within the larger continent.
Speaker 6: Everybody forgets about the ten thousand. So in four oh
Speaker 6: one BC you have this group of ten thousand mercenaries
Speaker 6: who were hired by a Persian prince to go invade
Speaker 6: the land of Summer, and this is where they find
Speaker 6: out about all of these really ancient structures that they
Speaker 6: didn't know existed. So there was a whole civilization over
Speaker 6: to the east of them that they had just discovered.
Speaker 6: This is one of the reasons that you know Alexander
Speaker 6: the Great went as far east as he did. It
Speaker 6: is because he was reading the stories of the ten
Speaker 6: thousand and he wanted to find out what was actually
Speaker 6: happening in the ancient world, because this was far more
Speaker 6: ancient than what they had, So a lot of that
Speaker 6: stuff really did later on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it ultimately related to the Persians, because the Persians
Speaker 2: are the real Aryans, the original neo Atlanteans. I guess
Speaker 2: in some sense that some of these authors would argue,
Speaker 2: but like the main author, Jayquin Griffiths, he's looking at
Speaker 2: the actual descriptive details in Tamaus and Critaeus, and he's
Speaker 2: realizing there are certain descriptives like he noticed that I
Speaker 2: misspoke a little bit on Mike and Dave's podcast, but
Speaker 2: it was actually Jaquen Griffiths that argue that Plato's leaving
Speaker 2: some things out. He's not mentioned certain things like the coconut,
Speaker 2: so there's no coconut, but he does mentioned that there
Speaker 2: are like palm trees, and there's legoomes and cereals and
Speaker 2: certain other he says there's allotments of agriculture, flat plane elongated.
Speaker 2: So all these other descriptives seem to be alluding to Egypt,
Speaker 2: especially when he says it doesn't rain in Atlantis, only
Speaker 2: in the winter times. So that clearly puts it back
Speaker 2: to North Africa because people think that, oh, it never
Speaker 2: rains in Egypt. No, it does rain in Egypt. So
Speaker 2: that's where you know Ran Across or Graham Hancock and
Speaker 2: Robert Viola might be gaining things wrong because they say, oh,
Speaker 2: there's no rain on the Sphinx. Now it's rain. Egypt
Speaker 2: just had a flood back in like twenty twenty or
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, I think it was. It was like
Speaker 2: three inches of rain in like one hour, so they
Speaker 2: do get erosion. So there's clear evidence of Mediterranean medicanes
Speaker 2: coming in once in a while. I mean there's one
Speaker 2: that killed twenty thousand people like three years ago that
Speaker 2: it was in Libya. That's because of a flash flood.
Speaker 2: So it does rain in Egypt, just not as often,
Speaker 2: mostly in the wintertime. So Plato says that detail, and
Speaker 2: he knows he says that details like, Okay, this has
Speaker 2: to do with something to do with North Africa, because
Speaker 2: he says, this island of Atlantis faces the sea. So
Speaker 2: Plato's trying to describe a delta. It's literally facing the sea,
Speaker 2: and there's a shoal of mud. There was liqual fact
Speaker 2: he can say, were legal faction be saying Atlantis was sinking.
Speaker 2: So if there's a massive earthquake caused by a supermassive
Speaker 2: volcano or tsunami, a combination of multiple things, then yeah,
Speaker 2: the delta would sink and there'll be mud in the way.
Speaker 2: And we see very ruin underwater in Egypt.
Speaker 6: Right, and you could even see again back to Alexander
Speaker 6: the Great, where did he make his city is right
Speaker 6: at the end of the Egyptian delta. You know, he's
Speaker 6: thinking about the same sort of Atlantis type idea. That's
Speaker 6: why he's picking that area. And he's the one who
Speaker 6: surveyed it and created the outlook or the outlay for
Speaker 6: the city before it was even built, so there was
Speaker 6: a lot of influence.
Speaker 2: That's the confusion I feel it to the next slide.
Speaker 2: The confusion is between three scales. Plato gives us one scale,
Speaker 2: the continent. The second scale is the island in a continent,
Speaker 2: which is a little weird, and then he says the
Speaker 2: city state. The question is is he conflating the Persian cities,
Speaker 2: assuming they're just as old as Egypt, with Egypt, because
Speaker 2: sometimes they believe that Egypt was like kind of like
Speaker 2: the Persians, they were a big empire, and maybe the
Speaker 2: Egyptians kind of lied and said, oh, yeah, we were
Speaker 2: a big empire. We conquered those Hittites and those persons.
Speaker 2: They could have been lying because there's a legend of
Speaker 2: Cisus Stress and cis Strices was a pharaoh to believe
Speaker 2: that conquered Anatolia, because if you look at you know,
Speaker 2: hit height architecture and styles, it's clearly influenced by Egypt.
Speaker 2: The styles and the rulership system is modeled off of
Speaker 2: Egypt and their influences that because they were trading and
Speaker 2: eventually they were even exchanging, you know, princes and princesses
Speaker 2: and having treaties, and eventually they had war, the Battle
Speaker 2: of Cadesh. So to the Greeks, yeah, they're conflating a
Speaker 2: few the regions in the Middle East with round states.
Speaker 2: But it's possible there was a round lost city state
Speaker 2: in Egypt because the Egyptian hieroglyphic city is a circle
Speaker 2: with an X, so it's possible Egypt may have once
Speaker 2: had a round city at the capitol of Heliopolis, but
Speaker 2: it's been so recycled over and over. You know, with
Speaker 2: Cairo modern day Caro being built on top, it would
Speaker 2: be almost impossible to find it because you got a
Speaker 2: whole city on top of it, because Egypt's been so recycled,
Speaker 2: because the density of the region is so dense, and
Speaker 2: that's why we call it this garden paradise, the original
Speaker 2: Garden of Eden. So Plato's Atlantis is basically one and
Speaker 2: the same with the story of the Garden of Eden.
Speaker 2: He's probably reading Eugarytic texts or something and he's putting
Speaker 2: his own spin on it for political reasons.
Speaker 6: Right, And that Yugoretic text was the unification of Hittite
Speaker 6: culture and Egyptian culture because they were right there on
Speaker 6: that borderline, and they took all of those elements from
Speaker 6: both into their mythology and into their architecture the rest
Speaker 6: of that stuff as well, and they played a huge
Speaker 6: role in the formation of the Canaanite Phoenicians later on.
Speaker 6: So you know, you've got all of these different influences
Speaker 6: creating this milieu, and especially in Egypt. It was recycled
Speaker 6: by the Greeks later on because they were obsessed with Egypt.
Speaker 6: That's one of the reasons why Alexander went down there,
Speaker 6: and why is generals occupied that place is the Ptolemy's
Speaker 6: for hundreds of years after.
Speaker 2: So they needed the wheat is the main thing they needed.
Speaker 2: You know, if you've got the origins of agriculture established
Speaker 2: in Egypt, you know, Greece didn't produce as much agriculture
Speaker 2: until their empire expanded. But yeah, that's where like the
Speaker 2: Persians conquered Egypt because they wanted their agriculture because that
Speaker 2: was literally a guard in paradise. So when Plato spent
Speaker 2: emphasized about in the Tomatos this this lush you know,
Speaker 2: paradise and these allotments and they're ruled by twelve kingdoms,
Speaker 2: which is a reference most likely to the no marks
Speaker 2: of Egypt where you have a governorship, which is why
Speaker 2: the Freemasons kind of hottered Egypt, because you have like
Speaker 2: there's the governor regions and then there's one president, one
Speaker 2: farah that rules them all in are not allowed to
Speaker 2: war with each other. It was actually it was when
Speaker 2: they became too avarice in their power and they wanted
Speaker 2: to expand. So this is where maybe Plato or Solon
Speaker 2: and is conflating the hit Tites with the Egyptians because
Speaker 2: they're basically say, oh they're one and the same, and
Speaker 2: they're not really, but they were influenced by Egypt, sure,
Speaker 2: But that's where the point is. You know, they're conflating
Speaker 2: that because of the Persians, because the Persians did occupy
Speaker 2: of Egypt and the Hittites, so they're saying that there
Speaker 2: was an older Atlantic kingdom before the Persians, and that's
Speaker 2: a reference more likely to the Trojan Wars. That's the
Speaker 2: war that it was inferring upon in.
Speaker 6: Homer prior to the Bronze Age collapse. The Bronze Age
Speaker 6: collapse wiped out the memory of the ancient world, and
Speaker 6: that's what they were constantly trying to get back. Is
Speaker 6: that memory before the Bronze Age collapse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a Yeah, there was a lapse of
Speaker 2: time and Greek civilization, though not much was really going on.
Speaker 2: It was slow progression until they recovered after the Santorini eruption.
Speaker 2: So one thousand, six hundred BC boom, the war stops.
Speaker 2: So basically, Plato's implying that both sides were destroyed in
Speaker 2: this war. The Greeks and the hit Tips and the
Speaker 2: Egyptians are telling it the story as a sort of
Speaker 2: an outside perspective, although in the next paragraph, this is
Speaker 2: where it's confusing, because Plato's saying first the island of Atlantis,
Speaker 2: and then he jumps to talking about the war. So
Speaker 2: people would think, oh, well, it was the people from
Speaker 2: the island that are the ones causing the war. No,
Speaker 2: that's not actually what the Tomato critics is saying. It's
Speaker 2: just there's a paragraph change, and you just talking about
Speaker 2: a different region now. So Plato's scaling out now, and
Speaker 2: that's the problem because you know, back in those days
Speaker 2: they have a good sense of location and bearing. So
Speaker 2: if Platos first starts at this large scale continent, then
Speaker 2: the island, then the city state, and conflating that the
Speaker 2: war with maybe being Egypt too, because the Egyptians might
Speaker 2: want to take credits saying yeah, those hit tights, they
Speaker 2: were part of our civilization, because that goes back to
Speaker 2: legend of Cis Striss.
Speaker 6: In a way, it's so important for people to remember
Speaker 6: the esoteric nature of this. He's combining a bunch of
Speaker 6: locations and a bunch of different data to paint a
Speaker 6: picture of what he's trying to get across as the
Speaker 6: political message behind the piece that he's writing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's more likely it's the biblical stories, well
Speaker 2: not you know modern day Bibles, but the actual scrolls
Speaker 2: of ancient times from the Hebrews, from the Zoroastrians and
Speaker 2: the Babylonians, you know, in the Hindus as well, simply
Speaker 2: in Pakistan Indos Valley when they talk with dark Kali age,
Speaker 2: it is a reference of actual event that happened. Because
Speaker 2: people think this super mass volcano, oh, it's just that
Speaker 2: local region, but no, it would have a climactic effect
Speaker 2: over the whole planet, just as the Mount Tambora had
Speaker 2: effect like in eighteen hundreds. It would cause more rain
Speaker 2: events on rivers more, you know, it might make things
Speaker 2: cooler for about one or two years. Temperature could drop
Speaker 2: at culture starts to die off in Europe, so people
Speaker 2: start floating down and that's where you get the Indo Arians.
Speaker 2: They start moving south. Something happened in the Indos Valley
Speaker 2: that forced the migration from the Oxas civilization down into India,
Speaker 2: and that's where you get the so called reference to
Speaker 2: Indo Ariyans. But it's really the Oxas civilization that gave
Speaker 2: birth to the Iranians and eventually moved down into the
Speaker 2: vegan cultures to established that. Now Indians, you know, they
Speaker 2: obviously are a little nationalistics, so they have debates about that.
Speaker 2: They don't like the idea that it was the Oxs
Speaker 2: civilization came down. But the record archaeological record shows that Mollhendro,
Speaker 2: Dharo and other cities in Pakistan they just kind of
Speaker 2: collapsed right around year one thousand, seven hundred to one thousand,
Speaker 2: six hundred PC. And that happens to be around the
Speaker 2: Centerini eruption, so something may have caused a climactic shift
Speaker 2: that shifts the geoputical chessboard.
Speaker 6: It also hit the Mesopotamian region really hard too. This
Speaker 6: is you know, a major.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's where the Biblical stories come in. So people
Speaker 2: think the flood story is separate from the Garden of Edenstorp.
Speaker 2: In reality, they're the same. They're just separated by different
Speaker 2: scribes or trying to maybe make it more simplistic, to
Speaker 2: make it more alogorical or more details. So it wasn't
Speaker 2: until the Akkadian periods that these records start coming out
Speaker 2: and it shows from the airdu story we can actually
Speaker 2: date the actual artifacts and we can launch we say, well,
Speaker 2: if that tablet is actually dated to around one thousand,
Speaker 2: six hundred PC, they might have wrote that story, you
Speaker 2: know a few fifty years or maybe twenty years after
Speaker 2: the event. Same thing with the Mahama. All these stories
Speaker 2: were written after the centurious event. There's we can carbon
Speaker 2: date all this stuff and they're all dating after that.
Speaker 2: They're not dating older. But people think that the Bible
Speaker 2: story the genesis, oh that's two thousand BC the flood happened. No,
Speaker 2: the oldest evidence that dates to these tablets are no
Speaker 2: older than one thousand, six hundred BC, and the maximum
Speaker 2: date for the century in eruption is one thousand and
Speaker 2: seven hundred BC. So some I think something happened in
Speaker 2: the Mediterranean region because the Priests of Science is saying
Speaker 2: the destruction happened in the homeland of the Greeks. You
Speaker 2: Greeks were destroyed and you lost your history basically, but
Speaker 2: the Nile we recovered faster, and naturally the most powerful
Speaker 2: civilization at the time would recover faster and would not
Speaker 2: be destroyed. So the logic that, oh, and advance civilization
Speaker 2: would get destroyed and be completely wiped out is illogical
Speaker 2: because it would be harder to erode a civilization that
Speaker 2: loses more shit compared to a small civilization.
Speaker 6: Right, And they had the food, they had the floods,
Speaker 6: They had the food, and that was the most important
Speaker 6: part in building back whatever civilization they had. So I
Speaker 6: mean that was the bread basket of all of the Mediterranean.
Speaker 6: Kate ignored as this powerful force in that civilization as
Speaker 6: well as a powerful spiritual force in all these different
Speaker 6: regions as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think there's definitely a connection, as these
Speaker 2: other authors, I showed. They all say that there must
Speaker 2: be some connection to the biblical record. So Plato is
Speaker 2: basically taking these Mesopotamian stories in Egyptian stories, because Egypt
Speaker 2: has records of a massive rainy evet called it in
Speaker 2: the Tempestila, and they dated that to around one thousand,
Speaker 2: five hundred and fifty BC, so pretty close to the date.
Speaker 2: And when you actually take the translation of the nine
Speaker 2: hundred year hypothesis, it puts that to around one thousand,
Speaker 2: five hundred and fifty BC. Now give or take a
Speaker 2: margin of air of maybe fifty to one hundred years.
Speaker 2: So I'm open to the possibility that there are some
Speaker 2: carbon dates that are slightly off by may fifty to
Speaker 2: one hundred years, because we do have like the Dixon
Speaker 2: relic in the Pyramid that is dated to three thousand
Speaker 2: over three thousand BC. Now, they said, well, maybe that's
Speaker 2: very old wood possibility, but I highly doubt they probably
Speaker 2: took the wood for a branch more likely which the
Speaker 2: branch will be younger than the center corp of a tree.
Speaker 2: Or Yeah, so it's possible there are margin of errors.
Speaker 2: I'm not ruining that I can't jump to what random
Speaker 2: cars and Graham Hancocks say, because we need the swords. Okay,
Speaker 2: we have dinosaur bones, where are the swords? Okay, we
Speaker 2: got stuff that's very old and preserved. We should have
Speaker 2: petrified artifacts of something roy old, but there's nothing. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I see that we have found that's very.
Speaker 6: That could go to a lot of chandlers. That could
Speaker 6: go back to a lot of chandelers. So if you
Speaker 6: look at the channeling of the sleeping profit what's his name,
Speaker 6: I keep forgetting his name, Caser. Yeah, when he talks
Speaker 6: about Atlantis, he's talking about a different type of technology altogether,
Speaker 6: sort of like a crystal and technology not necessarily more
Speaker 6: advanced in terms of, uh, you know, weapons and armor
Speaker 6: and all the rest of this stuff. He's thinking more
Speaker 6: of like crystallography or some kind of resonant technology. And
Speaker 6: we see in all of these doms different structures, right right,
Speaker 6: You see these different type of spiritual focuses on megalithic
Speaker 6: sites as opposed to having you know, the best swords
Speaker 6: and the best weapons, and you know, it's it's more
Speaker 6: of a shift away from that, more towards the interior
Speaker 6: world as opposed to the exterior world.
Speaker 2: But again, Edgar Casey is being influenced by the old
Speaker 2: occultic age in the eighteen hundreds, you know, or even
Speaker 2: before that, by that one priest and ignacious Donnelly and
Speaker 2: their their worldview was so fixated on the Americas, and
Speaker 2: Edgar Casey's making the story bigger really is. It's more
Speaker 2: of a spiritual allegory for him. And I think he
Speaker 2: even mentioned like flying cars. I don't think Atlantis had that. No, again,
Speaker 2: that's the concept idea of Atlantis, and that's because you know,
Speaker 2: I think the occult was in eighteen hundreds really wanted
Speaker 2: to make Atlantis bigger than it really was because they're
Speaker 2: trying to make some sense sense of the world at
Speaker 2: the time, because she was still being born sort of,
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 6: He was actually saying that they were not as advanced
Speaker 6: as all the rest of the more flowery authors have
Speaker 6: put it. He just said that they had a different
Speaker 6: way of achieving some similar things without having all of
Speaker 6: these flying cars. Yeah, because.
Speaker 2: Like chariots that sort of yeah mentioned chariots. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: Plato mentions chariots, you know, he mentions, yeah, horses, of course.
Speaker 2: He mentions. A big clue is he uses atlantisposes the
Speaker 2: most ferocious animal in the land. Okay, well, what could
Speaker 2: that be the hippo, the lion. More likely, the lion
Speaker 2: is what he's referring to, but he says it kind
Speaker 2: of a poetic way. He's trying to basically describe Africa
Speaker 2: to the Greek world that's never visited Africa for the
Speaker 2: first time. They've never seen a lion in their life.
Speaker 2: So it's as he's kind of talking. Imagine him talking
Speaker 2: in you know, an amphitheater stage, and he's kind of
Speaker 2: exaggerating what Socrates is saying. You know, he Socrates poses
Speaker 2: crazy stories about uh Egypt's Middle East from Haradus and others.
Speaker 6: There is a Middle Eastern lion. There's a Mediterranean lion
Speaker 6: that used to live back in that time period that's
Speaker 6: now completely as well. So it's the same situation as
Speaker 6: the elephants, Like there are these animals that they're talking about,
Speaker 6: but we don't.
Speaker 2: Barbary I think it was called Yeah, yeah, so that existed,
Speaker 2: possibly even at the time of the Greeks. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's more likely. But the majority of those animals that
Speaker 2: Plato's describing, he's referencing to what the writings of Radus
Speaker 2: is giving to him. So more than likely. It's logical.
Speaker 2: We don't know plato Us Horadus, but it's logical he
Speaker 2: was probably reading Homer. He was probably reading Socrates and
Speaker 2: Solon and Haradus and others, so that's where he's getting
Speaker 2: his information from. And it's possibly Plato even visited Egypt.
Speaker 2: Some schowers say he even visited Egypt, so if he did,
Speaker 2: he probably was like, woh, I gotta tell a story.
Speaker 2: And also there's a Heliki Heliki earthquake that happened in Greece,
Speaker 2: was a small earthquake but killed a lot of people,
Speaker 2: might kill people he knew, so that may have triggered
Speaker 2: also his story or reminded him of an older story
Speaker 2: that Solon was speaking of and Socrates. But again we
Speaker 2: refer to Edgar Casey's idea of Atlantis. I think he's
Speaker 2: still making it bigger than it really is. And I
Speaker 2: don't think it has anything to do with a global
Speaker 2: civilization whatsoever. Now global at the time of the Egyptians
Speaker 2: perspective like, yeah, we are the center of the world,
Speaker 2: and even to this day they're sort of like the
Speaker 2: center of the world in terms of chance.
Speaker 6: I just I just take it as a spiritual Lesson, Like,
Speaker 6: he's not necessarily giving us the actual facts, but he's
Speaker 6: sort of spiritualizing what he sees as this vision of
Speaker 6: Atlantis and all the rest of the stuff as well.
Speaker 6: So it's far more spiritual than it is actual factual.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: Political because he's using cosmological termogy. Case at the end,
Speaker 2: it's about politics, it's about rulership. How do you set
Speaker 2: up a kingdom a nation state? And the Greeks are
Speaker 2: trying to learn from the Egyptians, so he's using the
Speaker 2: Old World as an example. The old World to them
Speaker 2: was the Middle East.
Speaker 6: Well in America was the mound builders, and so you
Speaker 6: have that influence with Casey as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I think Casey was more influenced by us
Speaker 2: what's his name, Ignatius Donnelly. And I think again, you
Speaker 2: can't let your nationalism or place attachment of your culture
Speaker 2: where you're living now dictate actual writings of the perspective
Speaker 2: of played on Solon. Because they were just concerned about
Speaker 2: the Persians, Okay, the big band persons out to get them,
Speaker 2: and they wanted to blame the Persians and the Hittites,
Speaker 2: and that's that's that's it's always politics, that's influencing stories.
Speaker 2: Even in the biblical stories, people think, oh, I believe
Speaker 2: living peacefulleen the guarden. But reality, if you think about it,
Speaker 2: it's just it's a smaller allegory, simplistic creation story to
Speaker 2: describe a larger event, and that's elaborated in the Exodus.
Speaker 2: So the Exodus is just the elaborated version of Genesis.
Speaker 2: They're not separated by time and space necessarily, So the
Speaker 2: so called character of Moses, a character of Noah may
Speaker 2: have been living at the same time. Whoever they symbolized.
Speaker 2: They were probably Egyptians more likely. That's but it's so
Speaker 2: fragmented because all this stuff was consolidated under King David's
Speaker 2: and Solomon, and they're trying to figure out who the
Speaker 2: hell all these characters are, and there's different translations, and
Speaker 2: you know, they didn't have Google scholar to figure it out,
Speaker 2: so they just started amalgamating it all together and smushing
Speaker 2: it and thinking that these characters were literal or they
Speaker 2: tried to piece a new creation story to fit their
Speaker 2: new national identity in the Palestinian Israel region because they
Speaker 2: wanted to break away from Egypt, because remember Egypt controlled
Speaker 2: Palestine and Hittite and the Hittites did too for a
Speaker 2: very long time, and the people living there were always
Speaker 2: kind of had animosity against the Egyptians and the Hittites
Speaker 2: because those were the two big superpowers.
Speaker 6: Well, the hit you I, certainly had a lot of
Speaker 6: animosity towards the Egyptians. They in fact inverted the Egyptian
Speaker 6: pantheon just to get back at the for being, you know,
Speaker 6: sort of slave or servant to them for so long.
Speaker 6: So they had a real inversion to Egyptian theology, which
Speaker 6: I think plays out again and again in the Bible.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, it's ironic because the origins of basically Mathiism probably
Speaker 2: started in Egypt, and then it eventually it morphed over
Speaker 2: time from influence, evolving into Astrianism and eventually the Hebrew gods.
Speaker 2: But again they're more tribalistic in at the time, it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, this is our God. Our God's better than
Speaker 2: your god. In reality, there is a source, and you
Speaker 2: have to find where's Atlantis, where's the ritual guard of Eden?
Speaker 2: And if you look at the topological and geographic and
Speaker 2: geoplutical origins and archaeological record, Egypt's the elephant in the room.
Speaker 2: It's not Sumer it's not Easter Island, it's not meso America.
Speaker 8: At three about Florida.
Speaker 5: In Florida, Hey, man, I mean, what if you know,
Speaker 5: there's one time where the whole the whole world was
Speaker 5: one continent, and what if it's separated, you know that
Speaker 5: it fits perfectly into that gap right there in in
Speaker 5: the Mediterranean.
Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 8: I'm par Florida on that.
Speaker 2: I don't think Plato was thinking that big. He was
Speaker 2: concerned about the damn Persians because they want to blame
Speaker 2: everything on the Persians, even though in reality it might
Speaker 2: have been the Myceneans that started the hit tight Trojan Wars.
Speaker 2: But you know it's the victory. You know, it's written
Speaker 2: by the by the victors. I guess I can go
Speaker 2: to the next slide. Yeah, well, in the U S
Speaker 2: no question. No, I don't know, man, Ireland a bunch
Speaker 2: of b s.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man.
Speaker 5: See, I think there's there's stuff that you know. I mean,
Speaker 5: I think we're not told one hundred percent the truth
Speaker 5: of everything, you know, So there's some things we kind
Speaker 5: of have to come to our own conclusions about.
Speaker 2: And uh, but it's not really hidden it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: people say, well, why did I learn about this in
Speaker 2: high school? Because high school is supposed to be a
Speaker 2: prison where they keep kids off the streets, so they
Speaker 2: learn some basic back and shit. Okay, you don't learn
Speaker 2: real history until you get into college. So in college
Speaker 2: is where I learned about these researchers. I have more
Speaker 2: researchers in essays, and now I learned that Egypt literally
Speaker 2: has ruins underwater, okay, And there's no other civilization has
Speaker 2: ruins like this underwater. And sure there are only day
Speaker 2: to May four hundred BC, some could be older to
Speaker 2: one four hundred BC. But I bet there's a lot
Speaker 2: more on the east coast of the Delta, probably a
Speaker 2: couple hundred yards out into sea underwater, maybe under thirty
Speaker 2: or forty feet of water. I bet there's a lot
Speaker 2: more ruins, and a lot more under Cairo. But there's
Speaker 2: a big city in the way. But Egypt, it's the
Speaker 2: only civilization that built a giant, massive pyramids, you know,
Speaker 2: And there's nothing on the planet. There's nothing else. We
Speaker 2: was founded by now by LDAR scans or whatever satellite scans,
Speaker 2: and there's nothing, Okay, Bosnian pyramid, no that's not a pyramid.
Speaker 6: So just to give you my Herododus reference real quick,
Speaker 6: so if you could add my thing to the stage,
Speaker 6: I'll love pictures back up in a second. So this
Speaker 6: is from the recent discovery in the Mahata expedition in
Speaker 6: two thousand and eight. They use ground penetrating radar at
Speaker 6: the Hawara Pyramid abound evidence of a massive underground structure
Speaker 6: talked about in Herodidas that he says underground there's three
Speaker 6: thousand rooms, and so they've they found it and they're
Speaker 6: not doing anything to excavate it. So in terms of
Speaker 6: like you know, cults in the origin of these things,
Speaker 6: I think that's that's one of the most important sort
Speaker 6: of factors.
Speaker 2: But again you need to question if the translation for
Speaker 2: the word three thousand is correct because again it's in English,
Speaker 2: and how many times has it been translated. It could
Speaker 2: have been maybe thirty rooms, it could have been three hundred.
Speaker 2: So you have to dig a lot deeper to that
Speaker 2: specific story and find out the source. Like even the
Speaker 2: legend of like Tartessls. Everyone thinks tortosos to Spain. No,
Speaker 2: it's Italy, Okay, the original Tartessians. When you read details
Speaker 2: into that from horazz and others. You realize there are
Speaker 2: motifs and details that seem to point more to Italy,
Speaker 2: because the Greeks first landed in Italy before they ever
Speaker 2: landed in Spain. But over time the nationalists in Spain
Speaker 2: adopted the story and placed it in tartetls because there
Speaker 2: was a reference to the Pillars of Parcoles. It was
Speaker 2: the stretcher chippol Tebo's inside that. But they assumed it
Speaker 2: had to be Spain because a bunch of nationalists in
Speaker 2: Spain wanted it to be Spain. Same thing with Nazi Germany.
Speaker 2: They wanted Atlantis to be, you know, associated with white people.
Speaker 2: Even though Plato literally says there are elephants and it
Speaker 2: doesn't rain only in the wintertime. And when he says winter,
Speaker 2: you know, it's like people could go winter it must
Speaker 2: be snow. No. So there's you gotta look at these
Speaker 2: other details and realize that Plato is giving us all
Speaker 2: these clues. He says the phrases like cereals and legomes.
Speaker 2: He says the island faces the sea, but the word
Speaker 2: island could be a translation for oasis, and then he
Speaker 2: says it lives under the light of the sun, which
Speaker 2: is a po way of saying it's in the desert,
Speaker 2: and he says there's horses, ferocious animals. He uses the
Speaker 2: phrase Atlantic Polagae, not Atlantic ocean. So there's different phrases
Speaker 2: for water types in Greek. An original one was Atlantic
Speaker 2: Polagae or Atlantic Pelagos, and that's because there's two references
Speaker 2: of sea, so that's where that confusion comes about. He
Speaker 2: also references that there are twelve kings but one sovereign.
Speaker 2: That's kind of like how Egypt's monarchic system was established.
Speaker 2: There are main nodes of Egypt, no marks, they call them.
Speaker 2: He also references the gods, and we know that Poseidon
Speaker 2: has always been associated with the Atlantean world, not the
Speaker 2: Greek world. The Greek world is the Hellenes to Athena,
Speaker 2: not related to Poseidon. Poseidon, they say went down to
Speaker 2: the land of Ethiopia and had a party or something
Speaker 2: or sometimes for that Lantia in the Roman translations, so
Speaker 2: that's to the Africa.
Speaker 6: Well, the Minoans also had interactions with Poseidon as well,
Speaker 6: who gave them the white bull that ended up that
Speaker 6: ends up becoming the father of the Minotaur.
Speaker 2: And where do bulls come from. There were no bulls
Speaker 2: in Europe in the Ice Age, right, so the origins
Speaker 2: of the WS is a is a European I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: it is an African bull or a or not Caucasian,
Speaker 2: but in the Caucaus regions in Iran as well. So
Speaker 2: we can figure out the migration of bulls and feel like,
Speaker 2: where did the bull cult come from? It came from
Speaker 2: the Middle East, because that's where the migration of bulls
Speaker 2: went up to. Once the Ice Age retreated, they went
Speaker 2: up that way. But majority of the bull domestication happened
Speaker 2: in the Middle East. Same with horses. Horses first were
Speaker 2: domesticated by the Indo Ariyans in Ukraine. But when then
Speaker 2: they went down to across the Black Sea into Italy,
Speaker 2: I was confused Anatolia Turkey, and then it was the
Speaker 2: hit Ties that really domesticated and they sold them to Egypt,
Speaker 2: and then Egypt became real power once they had horses.
Speaker 2: So horses are a major influence on the development of
Speaker 2: an advanced civilization. Alcohol horse, you would not be an
Speaker 2: advanced civilization. And that's why Native Americans were not able
Speaker 2: to fully consolidate power fracture because they couldn't move fast enough.
Speaker 2: And also there's too much lamb. So geography really dictates
Speaker 2: how civilization is baked and bubbled up and mixed.
Speaker 4: You looked at the way horses migrated, Yeah, there are
Speaker 4: two types.
Speaker 2: Well, mainly the brown horse that came down to Turkey.
Speaker 4: They started, Well I thought there was some that actually
Speaker 4: started in South America.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, the ice age ones, but they're extinct.
Speaker 2: So these are the we can were the genes of
Speaker 2: modern day horses and figure out where they come from.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, yeah, I mean, I think that's a
Speaker 2: stretch because you're gonna go to go in the ice Age.
Speaker 2: But Plato is saying it doesn't rain, so he's referring
Speaker 2: to a desert region. And again you gotta put in Plato's.
Speaker 4: Perspective, maybe you're not getting much rain. It's all snow. Okay.
Speaker 2: This is where semantics are playing.
Speaker 4: Semantics to prove that maybe.
Speaker 7: Maybe Plato was a sadistic fuck and he made all
Speaker 7: this ship up, like the fucking cities of Gold and
Speaker 7: ship to make people want to go on a wild
Speaker 7: goose chase for this ship that never existed, just the thought.
Speaker 7: But I don't necessarily know if he didn't make all
Speaker 7: this ship up or like just jam a bunch of
Speaker 7: like random facts together from different places he had seen
Speaker 7: and was like, there's this mystical place and it's called Atlantis.
Speaker 7: Is like, fuck you why because you so I don't know.
Speaker 7: I just you know, sometimes I struggle with this stuff.
Speaker 5: Is it really even real?
Speaker 4: I feel you?
Speaker 2: For example, he says there's monumental architecture, and there's three
Speaker 2: main types of stone used in that. There's red, white,
Speaker 2: and black. Okay, what did egyptpad? It had black diarite,
Speaker 2: white limestone, white albaster, red granite, so I mean, and
Speaker 2: then he says, you know there was a major war.
Speaker 2: We know what he's getting that. He's probably getting that
Speaker 2: from Homer, the Trojan War because that was a big
Speaker 2: deal to the Greeks because of the hit tights. So
Speaker 2: he's kind of he's definitely getting motifs from the Middle
Speaker 2: East because he says phrases like, you know, there was
Speaker 2: rivers and there's lots of canals and these canals branch
Speaker 2: off rivers. Well that's what agipad. But then he says
Speaker 2: there are lofty mountains. Okay, Well, now he's expanding the
Speaker 2: scale because he's saying, he's talking about the continent, so
Speaker 2: he's probably referring to the Atlas mountain range. So that
Speaker 2: was part of Atlantis. So Jimmy's right to associate with
Speaker 2: North Africa. It's just it's not the islands Hea. Okay,
Speaker 2: there's no there's no obelisk and pillars or whatever. There's
Speaker 2: no monumental architecture on the foundation stone foundation bedrock of
Speaker 2: the islands, a hera of the rick Cat structure. So
Speaker 2: that's way. Yeah, the context of where Haradus traveled, So
Speaker 2: wherever Haradus went, that's what Plato's referring to. And he
Speaker 2: didn't go down that far south. Now, the Nava Hanna,
Speaker 2: the navigator did travel around West Africa and he went
Speaker 2: down we don't know exactly how far, but probably about
Speaker 2: center of Africa that he went back. So those travels
Speaker 2: may have influenced Plato as well. But Plato again, if
Speaker 2: you listen to Smiths Chris, it's saying within two types
Speaker 2: of pillars inside the big sea but also conquering the
Speaker 2: little sea, and the little sea is the Greek sea.
Speaker 2: According to the two priests, there are two priests that
Speaker 2: were speaking to Solon. We can go next life. So
Speaker 2: the basic timeline I would put this out is basically
Speaker 2: at the Santorini eruption, So I do have to grieve
Speaker 2: scholars that has something to do with Santorini. Every scar
Speaker 2: I ran across ended up back at this date of
Speaker 2: one thousand, six hundred PC. So you've got the Atlantean world,
Speaker 2: which is the Middle East basically, and then the Tartessian world,
Speaker 2: which is the Roman Greek world, and that didn't start
Speaker 2: until definitely after the Bronze Age collapse and the Romans
Speaker 2: really started to gain a lot more power in Italy,
Speaker 2: and Tartesso's really wasn't associated to Spain right away. It
Speaker 2: was associated with Italy because that's where the Greeks first colonized.
Speaker 2: Then over time they went to Spain. But there's conflation
Speaker 2: between that legend. But that's a whole nother story. So
Speaker 2: the original Lanteans, they weren't white. They were probably Berber
Speaker 2: Egyptian hit tied Iranian kind of descent, a mix of
Speaker 2: tan skin or brown skin. And they're from the land
Speaker 2: of the Sun. You know, we're living under the sun,
Speaker 2: as Plato says. And then that Bronze Age collapse happens
Speaker 2: and then shift things start to shift. But again the
Speaker 2: logic is, it's not that the Greek the priest's science
Speaker 2: is saying Atlantic our island was destroyed. Now he's actually
Speaker 2: saying we recovered. Even though there's lots of evidence in
Speaker 2: Egypt of earthquake damage everywhere on some megalithic structures, and
Speaker 2: there's a show called Ancient Armageddon just kind of like
Speaker 2: as Apocalypse, but this was definitely a more mainstream documentary
Speaker 2: on HBO Max and Ancient Armageddon. There are scholars and
Speaker 2: they're saying that, yeah, there's definitely evidance. We're seeing that
Speaker 2: there's a lot of major earthquake damage all these temples,
Speaker 2: and they could date to around the Centerini eruption. The
Speaker 2: problem is they have to move that Bronze Age collapse
Speaker 2: from the Early Bronze Age to the Middle Bronze Age.
Speaker 2: So there's a chance that scholars are definitely wrong about
Speaker 2: the dates of when this happened, and Plato may actually
Speaker 2: be right sort of, but Plato would put it to
Speaker 2: around one thousand, five hundred and fifty PC if we
Speaker 2: go by the nine hundred hypothesis, So that's where you
Speaker 2: got the Old World Atlanteans, which were basically, you know,
Speaker 2: the biblical world where they were naked. You know, they
Speaker 2: dressed more seductively in the sense, but in Europe they
Speaker 2: had to wear more clothes because it was colder on average.
Speaker 2: So there's a transition. You know, as clothing developed and
Speaker 2: technology developed, the Europeans expanded. Once you're written into Ukraine,
Speaker 2: there is tenfold amount of a cultural to what Egypt
Speaker 2: ever had. But it takes a large population to be
Speaker 2: able to control all that land, So it took a
Speaker 2: long time for the Europeans to gain that temperate climate zone.
Speaker 2: But once the population grew big enough, they became more
Speaker 2: powerful than Egypt the Romans. And that's why Europe had
Speaker 2: a geopltical advantage compared to other parts of the world
Speaker 2: because of their geography and their closeness, their proxymmetry to
Speaker 2: the original Atlantis and Garden of Eden, because civilizations started
Speaker 2: in the Middle East of gobecuy Tepe and Karin Tepe.
Speaker 6: If we look at the corridor from the Turkey region
Speaker 6: up into the Black Sea, we see the journeys of
Speaker 6: Jason and the Argonauts going over there to get the
Speaker 6: Golden Fleece, and what they found is that there was
Speaker 6: a big processing center of gold over in the western
Speaker 6: part or the eastern part of the Black Sea, which
Speaker 6: is where Jason and his crew were going. So they
Speaker 6: had a link not only to ancient Egypt, but all
Speaker 6: the way up into the Caucasus. And we see today
Speaker 6: the Russian language is based off of the Greek you know,
Speaker 6: morphology of their their alphabet, so you've got.
Speaker 2: A huge Grecians originally, yeah, right.
Speaker 6: Through Cadmus, right, but you've got that huge Greek influence,
Speaker 6: and you know, we see Eastern Orthodox Church up in
Speaker 6: Russia coming through that Anatolian region, so that you know,
Speaker 6: the whole connection to up there in the Black Sea
Speaker 6: region and the Greeks. That's less talked about than the
Speaker 6: rest of the Mediterranean because they had contacted.
Speaker 2: Because most of the trade was definitely coming to Turkey
Speaker 2: and Egypt in the Palestinian region because that's where agriculture
Speaker 2: was really being developed, was more sophisticated compared to the
Speaker 2: early Greeks means seven RBC. But then eventually as they
Speaker 2: learned that that those trades, you know, they did spread
Speaker 2: up into Ukraine. Well typically the Crimean region is probably
Speaker 2: where they landed, but most of them probably were still
Speaker 2: following the coastline of northern Turkey, and then some braved
Speaker 2: enough went across the Black Sea. But the majority of
Speaker 2: trade routes are not going up to Europe until the
Speaker 2: Roman periods.
Speaker 6: And the metallurgy is coming through that region in de Greece,
Speaker 6: so they've got the majority of metal.
Speaker 2: The majority of the medal came from the Phoenicians, and
Speaker 2: that came.
Speaker 1: From the Middle.
Speaker 6: The Greeks were the Scythians, and the Scythian region is
Speaker 6: all the way up there in the Black Seacucauses regions.
Speaker 6: That's where they got a lot of their mythology from
Speaker 6: is through the Cythian influence as well.
Speaker 4: So they've got to.
Speaker 7: Question just really quick, for Peter, uh, are we maybe
Speaker 7: I'm putting the cart before the horse, but are we
Speaker 7: totally just eliminating like the weird metaphysical, spiritual weirdness with
Speaker 7: this story, because I guess it has.
Speaker 2: When you really read Plato. Plato is concerned about politics.
Speaker 2: Even to me, I don't know if I'm.
Speaker 7: I can't if I can get on board with him,
Speaker 7: but like I feel like, let's just say I'm retarded.
Speaker 7: It's not hard to do I do believe that they
Speaker 7: had like fucking some extra okay, interdimensional weirdness going on,
Speaker 7: maybe some spiritualism, uh, some contacting of like some higher
Speaker 7: up motherfuckers, like yeah, some ship like that like that.
Speaker 7: That's where I'm at with it. I mean, I get
Speaker 7: Plato and like all that stuff. He could be a
Speaker 7: horrible war in making shit up to and.
Speaker 8: I could be definitely wrong.
Speaker 7: But when I think of Atlantis, even if it's Egypt
Speaker 7: or like some kind of like a subsidy of Egypt
Speaker 7: or whatever, all I think about is fallen angel technology
Speaker 7: communicating with x extraterrestrial, interdimensional whatever type of spirits fill
Speaker 7: in the blank, and like having some kind of like
Speaker 7: otherworldly tech achnology. Like you're not going to convince me
Speaker 7: they build the pyramids with fucking ropes and pulleys. You're
Speaker 7: not going to convince me that the the we're like
Speaker 7: slaves with whips and chains and like stuff like that.
Speaker 7: Like I'm totally you'll never convince me of that in
Speaker 7: a million years.
Speaker 2: And so like cultures, not their own people.
Speaker 7: Well whoever, I think they fucking leavitate anyways, Like like
Speaker 7: if you were to say there's a spiritual aspect to this, like, where.
Speaker 2: Are you get slide the next slide?
Speaker 5: I think I do show Okay, Okay, Howard is saying
Speaker 5: right here sound residents, Yeah, cimatics. He plays a big
Speaker 5: role in that.
Speaker 2: Actually, go to the next slide after. I'll go back
Speaker 2: to them later. Next one. Let's see next one, jac,
Speaker 2: we'll go back. I can't even get to Okay. So
Speaker 2: I love this painting. Okay, So this is a kind
Speaker 2: of a symbolic reference by this, uh, this artist trying
Speaker 2: to describe the tomais and trying to describe the cosmological world.
Speaker 2: So yes, Plato is definitely influenced by a spiritual world.
Speaker 2: But Plato had a little bit more of an atheistic
Speaker 2: perspective on the cosmology. So he did believe as above
Speaker 2: so below. He believed that basically the idea, you know,
Speaker 2: whatever you bind on Earth is bound in heaven, and
Speaker 2: the gods will influence geopolitics. So when the super massive
Speaker 2: volcano goes boom, they believe possibility that the gods may
Speaker 2: have caused the volcano go boom. Now, did the actual
Speaker 2: UAPs make the volcano go boom? Probably not. The UAPs
Speaker 2: were probably just stating around watching as the Bible says
Speaker 2: they're the watchers when it comes to actual supernatural interventions
Speaker 2: into history. Do you go back a slide you know what?
Speaker 3: I was just thinking though, like real quick, sure, wasn't
Speaker 3: it like Marsilio Ficino kind of translating Plato that spurred
Speaker 3: like the Renaissance kind of Uh yeah, you can't say
Speaker 3: that motherfucker wasn't spiritual if we old renaissances.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, there's definitely influence, Like a lot
Speaker 2: of Christians really give honor to Plato on the cosmology
Speaker 2: god and angels and gods.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But again, ultimately at the end of Tamayas, he goes
Speaker 2: back to saying all this cosmological bs, I mean not bs,
Speaker 2: but you know, all this stuff about cosmology, and then
Speaker 2: he simplifies and say, well, you know, let's go back
Speaker 2: to talk about war. And it's all just a reference
Speaker 2: to the war because the Persians were the big bad guy.
Speaker 2: They're bad Okay, So he was he wanted to take
Speaker 2: all this spiritual stuff and say we need to fight
Speaker 2: against the Persians. Basically, So you go back a slide
Speaker 2: to actual understanding of supernatural entities. Go back one slideh
Speaker 2: kind of explain. I think two slides are okay. So
Speaker 2: this is where you know, this may have nothing to
Speaker 2: Oh go I'm sorry, go back, go forward, I think, oh,
Speaker 2: go forward, I'm sorry. Okay, this is go back.
Speaker 4: There we go.
Speaker 2: Okay. So this is where this may have nothing to
Speaker 2: really do in a Plato's perspective, but more of our perspective,
Speaker 2: because now we do have an anthropological understanding of our past.
Speaker 2: We do have understanding that there are lots of evidence
Speaker 2: of hominids, dozens of bones, hundreds if not thousands, and
Speaker 2: more is being found, and something did change in us
Speaker 2: and scientists are arguing in anthropologistaying there's something changed with
Speaker 2: the fox speed two gene and the nova gene in
Speaker 2: our brain related to language, and the vocal cord lyrics
Speaker 2: elongated and changed its form slightly. And then there's the
Speaker 2: mutation for us to be able to handle milk for lactose,
Speaker 2: and that happened around ten thousand years ago, and then
Speaker 2: there's mutation of the chin. So every hominid that we
Speaker 2: find that, you know, like Michael talks about, you always
Speaker 2: want to say, oh, what these homatants were advanced, No,
Speaker 2: they are archaic. We can tell clearly by the anatomy,
Speaker 2: and that's it shows that there's something mutating in us.
Speaker 2: The question is, can UAPs do small discrete interventions at
Speaker 2: the molecular biological level. I would say as a Catholic,
Speaker 2: I would not rule that out, but it can be
Speaker 2: very discrete. So if evolution doesn't steer us in the
Speaker 2: right direction once in a while, maybe these UAPs will
Speaker 2: intervene at the genetic level, but at a micro discrete
Speaker 2: matter that we wouldn't be able to tell. And it
Speaker 2: completely shifts how we evolve into an advanced civilization. So
Speaker 2: we go from being in Plato's cave, not understanding the
Speaker 2: whole world in the big picture as a hominid, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden at around seventy thousand years ago.
Speaker 2: So if you want to say there's a lot of
Speaker 2: civilizations in the past, it would have to be have
Speaker 2: to be after seventy thousand years ago, because that's when
Speaker 2: all these mutations popping up and the birth of art
Speaker 2: really starts getting hold with the or human's actual modern
Speaker 2: Homo sapiens sapiens going up into Europe and doing paintings there,
Speaker 2: and those abstract paintings, but other Hominins never did abstract paintings.
Speaker 2: It wasn't conceptual. It wasn't They had the power of
Speaker 2: synthetic language. They had communication just like a dog does
Speaker 2: some extent, but they could not speak. They were physically
Speaker 2: impaired by that ability. But all of a sudden, as
Speaker 2: the Bible says, you know, he blew into Adam, and
Speaker 2: then Adam became a man. He had the spirit of
Speaker 2: God was in the image and likeness. So something definitely
Speaker 2: changed es and evolution does explain like ninety percent of it,
Speaker 2: but once in a while there could be these slight,
Speaker 2: abnormal mutational changes, and these UAPs clearly exist. The question
Speaker 2: is how much intervention have they really done in history,
Speaker 2: because again, all it took was for one interdimensional being,
Speaker 2: if you want to believe Jesus was one of them,
Speaker 2: to intervene in the Roman Empire, boom chain reaction of
Speaker 2: the whole geopolitical worldview.
Speaker 8: Just like that.
Speaker 2: It was only thirty eight thirty three years or less,
Speaker 2: just a magic wizard man like Gandalf appeared and boom
Speaker 2: it changed history forever. Same thing with Mohammad. Mohammad had
Speaker 2: experienced boom It changes the whole geopolitical chessboard. So angels
Speaker 2: or the into the interdimensional beings may have a slight
Speaker 2: hand in guiding the program or the simulation, but it's
Speaker 2: not Ultimately it's the cosmic God or Allah or you know,
Speaker 2: as Plato describes. You know, there is one cosmic god
Speaker 2: that's hidden. He is ultimate in control of order versus chaos,
Speaker 2: and there is this kind of trajectory into orders. We
Speaker 2: see we moved from something, We moved from something ugly
Speaker 2: and fearful to something beautiful and loving, and that that's
Speaker 2: profound in human in the planet of this history, because
Speaker 2: there's no evidence that we have buildings like this. Back
Speaker 2: to thousand years ago, we would found the foundation stones
Speaker 2: of the universities. You know, they would have built something
Speaker 2: like a university if they advanced at our level, but
Speaker 2: we have nothing. It would not be completely gone. Okay,
Speaker 2: look at Mount Rushmore. Mount Rushmore would be there for
Speaker 2: a million years, assuming people don't blow it up. Or
Speaker 2: Crazy Horse Monument in South Dakota as well, So we
Speaker 2: have something definitely changed. Question is did these UAPs have
Speaker 2: a hand absolutely when it comes to cultural influence. They
Speaker 2: appear to people, maybe to this one prophet or whatever,
Speaker 2: or they manifest physically as avatars poof in and out,
Speaker 2: and they're influencing culture. And that's what Jacques Falle is saying.
Speaker 2: So yes, they are having intervention. But Plato is really
Speaker 2: actually as concerned with the gods as you might think.
Speaker 2: He's more of like a communists if you actually listen
Speaker 2: to him at times, he's a little bit more atheistic,
Speaker 2: but he knows the gods exists, but he's taking the
Speaker 2: allegory of the gods and making allegorical for geopolitical reas
Speaker 2: because he's more concerned about politics, like everybody seems to be. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I was going sorry, that was a big rant. So
Speaker 2: if you go back to the David Mianto slide, let me,
Speaker 2: let me go back one more, or just gonna skip
Speaker 2: around so you can go back one more, I guess. Okay,
Speaker 2: so this is where I'm gonna call out. You know,
Speaker 2: these two archaeolo are not archaeologists but historian and archaeologists.
Speaker 2: I respect doctor David Miano. Oops, happen to my earbuds
Speaker 2: and Flint Dipple to some degree. Okay, I've reached out
Speaker 2: to them. Miano is aware of me, but he's ignoring me.
Speaker 2: He's give me the silent treatment, but he's aware and
Speaker 2: he he would probably be open to the hypothsis of
Speaker 2: Egypt being an influence on Atlantis because of authors or
Speaker 2: researchers like Jake Gwin Griffiths of Oxford University, who's the
Speaker 2: first to pose it. But he's ignoring presenting us to
Speaker 2: his audience. He's intentionally ignoring it. He's not bringing up
Speaker 2: the connection between Egypt and Hittites and the Persians, which
Speaker 2: would fit with the mainstream archeological record, other than maybe
Speaker 2: shifting the Bronze Age collapse to the Middle Bronze Age
Speaker 2: instead of the earlier or Late Bronze Age or earlier
Speaker 2: sorry get confused, like the Bronze Age at one thousand
Speaker 2: and two hundred PC versus one thousand and six hundred BC.
Speaker 2: So that's where I'm open to possibility that dates are
Speaker 2: off by a few hundred years at the most. But Flint, Dibble,
Speaker 2: and Mian are so focused more on fighting back against
Speaker 2: more of the New Age at perspective and not really
Speaker 2: presenting an actual rational perspective on Atlantis because they are
Speaker 2: more liberal and they understand that Atlantis does have connections
Speaker 2: with the Nazis, and Nazis wanted to take Atlantis and
Speaker 2: make it their own story, just as Eric Vondanaka and
Speaker 2: Zacharisichen are making things bigger than it really needs to be.
Speaker 2: They're trying to fit to their national politics. Again, it's political.
Speaker 2: Things become political even in archaeology and science, and Plato
Speaker 2: was very political. He wrote the story because he hated
Speaker 2: the purchase, because they wiped out Athens, so naturally that
Speaker 2: he's writing me story stories to figure out should we
Speaker 2: be like the old world or we could be something new?
Speaker 2: And I would I would tell doctor Miano and doctor
Speaker 2: Flint Dibble that yeah, Atlantis is real, but you just
Speaker 2: need to present these other researchers that you're ignoring, like
Speaker 2: Jay Guin Griffiths is probably number one, J. G. Bennett,
Speaker 2: oldf Rickter of Schupennheind Germany, and many others. And they're
Speaker 2: all mostly from Europe and they figured out this, but
Speaker 2: they're in other languages and you have to find the
Speaker 2: English translations of their work to be able to figure
Speaker 2: out what they're arguing, which is a lot logical and
Speaker 2: rational that even Graham Hancock is starting to shift. He say, okay,
Speaker 2: I understand lances to me, is more of a concept
Speaker 2: for a lot of civilization in the Ice Age, and
Speaker 2: I'm not ruin out there might be another source of
Speaker 2: civilization in the Ice Age at the level of Karen
Speaker 2: Teppe go Beckley Tepe, another one of them, somewhere in
Speaker 2: the Middle East, or maybe even along the Equator zone,
Speaker 2: as Graham is arguing, is probably where that lostivilization would be.
Speaker 2: I agree there's a chance of that, but to day
Speaker 2: reach the level of Roman Egypt, absolutely not. We would
Speaker 2: have found those Megoithic statues at that level, but we
Speaker 2: don't see that, So Randall, I'm sorry, Meano Inflant's right,
Speaker 2: there is no evidence, you know, of transfer of certain
Speaker 2: types of plants like apples or corn. There's no evidence
Speaker 2: of glass. Glass wasn't really invented until later periods after
Speaker 2: the Bronze Age, and there's some glass Egyptians had in
Speaker 2: the hit Tides, but not near at the level until
Speaker 2: later periods. So glass, we should be able to find glass.
Speaker 2: You could break down glass, but there's still be sharks
Speaker 2: and you could tell it be manufactured. We have never
Speaker 2: found any glass in any burial mount ever, other than
Speaker 2: natural glass like ones found in Egypt actually from produced
Speaker 2: by it from asteroids millions of years ago, or iron
Speaker 2: like we should be able to find some kind of
Speaker 2: iron pick would have survived now, or the fact that
Speaker 2: all the oil wells are not depleted. There's still abundance
Speaker 2: amounts of oil. And if you want to show that
Speaker 2: oil has been depleted, you know, you have to be
Speaker 2: able to say that there's like no easy oil to extract,
Speaker 2: but there's plenty of easy oil, which indicates that there
Speaker 2: was never any advanced civization within the past thirty million
Speaker 2: years now fifty five million years ago. Now we can
Speaker 2: argue there's a chance there could have been a loss
Speaker 2: civization or you know, if.
Speaker 6: On that out of place artifacts. So you've got in
Speaker 6: coal deposits in West Virginia, they've got, you know, little
Speaker 6: trinkets and metal that seems to be from a completely
Speaker 6: different civilization we're talking about.
Speaker 2: I was gonna mention that years ago, Yeah, yeah, does
Speaker 2: it look like a sword? Does it look back to
Speaker 2: And I would need to see those pictures. I've looked
Speaker 2: at the pix called Pick in Texas that, to argue,
Speaker 2: is petrified, and I've seen it personally, and there's different
Speaker 2: types of petrification. But we need to see very clear
Speaker 2: evidence for something massive, a massive clean like that, and
Speaker 2: the only thing we have is the place them.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I mean as a Catholic, you can understand this.
Speaker 7: I mean, show me evidence of like half of the
Speaker 7: ship in the Bible, right, but we all believe it.
Speaker 7: That's the faith aspect of it. I mean, where's Jesus's bones.
Speaker 8: And like whatever. It's like, this is the faith aspect.
Speaker 8: Cannot but you cannot.
Speaker 7: So it takes people like me, who might be totally
Speaker 7: over the fence and crazy, and people like you who
Speaker 7: are more historical, to meet in the middle. And there
Speaker 7: could be truth somewhere in there. I think, like Atlantis,
Speaker 7: they had like advanced technology.
Speaker 8: I don't believe ins and like you know, I just.
Speaker 7: I think, you know, there could be multiple things that
Speaker 7: are true at the same time. I don't think you
Speaker 7: have to necessarily find evidence of Atlantis for it to
Speaker 7: have existed.
Speaker 8: It may just in a different state.
Speaker 7: I don't think so, because I mean, people believe in
Speaker 7: sand plus and ship like that and they have no
Speaker 7: evidence of that.
Speaker 4: So I mean you wouldn't have much of a Bible
Speaker 4: to go by if you don't want to if you.
Speaker 2: Need imence Plato, not the Bible. But you know the
Speaker 2: ancient scrolls the Hebrews wrote, because the Hebrews carbonated scrolls
Speaker 2: are right around the same time as the Greek scrolls.
Speaker 2: Why because they're talking with each other.
Speaker 5: It's the same thing with the dinosaurs, you know. I
Speaker 5: mean they they present to us this evidence and they
Speaker 5: draw all these pictures up for us, But dinosaurs really
Speaker 5: were never really mentioned, you know, I mean large lizards
Speaker 5: were mentioned. Dragons more so big birds maybe right dragon.
Speaker 2: There there is no The word leviathan derives from a
Speaker 2: snake or a whale. There's two debates whether it's referring
Speaker 2: to whales or a snake. Because in Egypt, what do
Speaker 2: we find. We literally find ancient whalebones on the surface.
Speaker 2: So when people, you know Berber tribes ran across that,
Speaker 2: they say, hey, that's a Leviathan because they literally saw
Speaker 2: a giant bone that's you know, fifty feet long or
Speaker 2: you know, the the spine of it. So that's where
Speaker 2: they're getting that from the fact that we had that
Speaker 2: exposed whale bone or some type of ancient whale that's
Speaker 2: like fifty years ago.
Speaker 5: That's evidence many different mont or you know, ancient creatures
Speaker 5: from many different cultures.
Speaker 2: But the problem is you're not conflating all of them. Yes,
Speaker 2: because the conflation is, you know, the god's avatars versus
Speaker 2: actual animals. So when you say bigfoot or werewolves, do
Speaker 2: they exist Catholics? Okay, real Catholics that look into this. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: Bigfoot is real, but it's not an evolutionary a creature
Speaker 2: born from nature. It's just an avatar of an angel
Speaker 2: or a demon. They can change from a werewolf to
Speaker 2: a bigfoot to a great instantaneously. That's the nature of
Speaker 2: the gods. This is where doctor mionnodfin Dieople don't understand
Speaker 2: that the conservation of matter can be broken. That law
Speaker 2: in physics is going to change as UAP disclosure is
Speaker 2: revealed to people and Big Brother, the military, the Pentagon,
Speaker 2: the intelligencies are holding everyone's hand right now so they
Speaker 2: don't scare the children. We are the children. So there
Speaker 2: these entities.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm on and I'm a Christian by the way,
Speaker 7: I'm just saying sometimes you don't need evidence for shit
Speaker 7: to be real. And I don't believe necessarily in dinosaurs. Okay,
Speaker 7: there might have been some serpentine creature something some shit
Speaker 7: like that.
Speaker 2: But there's lots of bones of dinosaurs.
Speaker 7: There's lots of lie you.
Speaker 5: Know, were the bones of dinosaurs? I mean, you know
Speaker 5: they there's talk of giants in the past, but where
Speaker 5: where are the giant bones? You know, giants people's cultures.
Speaker 5: You know there's dragon in the Chinese cultures and I
Speaker 5: mean you can say Nephelm. There's giants in every culture
Speaker 5: as well. They go by different names. You know, you're sure,
Speaker 5: but you know you're coming atically from you know, one
Speaker 5: kind of perspective, and and and and I get that,
Speaker 5: but do.
Speaker 2: You literally believe there are giants like in a sense
Speaker 2: that we should be able to find a twelve foot skeleton?
Speaker 4: One absolutelytons.
Speaker 2: I have talked with I've made YouTube videos about this
Speaker 2: and uh, I know Chuck from CFAs, the YouTuber that
Speaker 2: die a couple of years ago, he digged into all this.
Speaker 2: And yes, there are definitely legends about all Native Americans.
Speaker 2: And we have archaeological evidence of some of the Americans
Speaker 2: reaching about six to seven feet. That's not abnormal, really,
Speaker 2: it's it's an oud of deep. But there are seven
Speaker 2: feet tall people today. But in the Bible specifically, people
Speaker 2: are correlating the Native American legends with the Bible and reality.
Speaker 2: They're not the same. Again, you're change. You're putting the
Speaker 2: locale of the Bible into the New World, which has
Speaker 2: nothing to do with the Old world. Reality is a
Speaker 2: reference to is a reference to the Egyptians.
Speaker 4: And the.
Speaker 6: Well ag Bashad was a giant that they still have
Speaker 6: his mound, burial mound in Israel that they go to.
Speaker 6: Ashad is one. But they've got several other Canada giants
Speaker 6: in the region.
Speaker 2: So it's we need differ skeletons. Right, it's all over
Speaker 2: the place. Where are these giants?
Speaker 6: And uh, they're also recording them in the in the
Speaker 6: New World. You've got George Washington that mentions pulling out
Speaker 6: giant skeletons. You've got Abraham Lincoln that mentions all of
Speaker 6: the giant skeletons in the mounds.
Speaker 4: You've got so much of.
Speaker 2: That is exaggerate over time because these are newspaper says
Speaker 2: this eight feet. Someone then changes say actually it was
Speaker 2: ten feet. So I someone in Indiana and they couldn't
Speaker 2: get the dimensions right. They said, oh, this lady thing
Speaker 2: saw a ten foot I'm like, is that the size
Speaker 2: of the burial, or is that the size of the
Speaker 2: skeleton's I think it was the size of the skeleton.
Speaker 6: Or we can see the massive we can see massive
Speaker 6: displays of losing the bones by the Smithsonian Institute over
Speaker 6: and over and over again. Government institutions are trying to well,
Speaker 6: I don't know why, but I'm telling you that's what
Speaker 6: they've done. They've done it over and over again. And
Speaker 6: we've got a problem in Crosol right now. Confiscate the
Speaker 6: bones of a giant that's in a museum in Currosow
Speaker 6: right now, because the Currosow Islands had they were referred
Speaker 6: to by Magellan as the Giant Islands. Now Magellan says
Speaker 6: that he he met these giants in person, as well
Speaker 6: as the people who go down to Patagonia who said
Speaker 6: that they met giants in person too. These different sources
Speaker 6: from all these.
Speaker 5: Tribes that talk about just.
Speaker 2: Like Pato's Atlantis, the translations may shift slightly over times,
Speaker 2: so there might be misunderstanding.
Speaker 6: All of these rides were different, they didn't know each other,
Speaker 6: and they talk about the proportions of the giants being
Speaker 6: not that of people with gigantism. They are specifically making
Speaker 6: that claim that it's different from people with gigantism, which
Speaker 6: they understood. So for them to all be saying that,
Speaker 6: and then watching the malfeasance of the Smithsonian Institute as
Speaker 6: well as other government entities, it's really hard to conclude
Speaker 6: that it's not a massive conspiracy to cover up this
Speaker 6: part of us that now we know nothing about.
Speaker 4: It's just the aliens and stuff. They're covering it up
Speaker 4: just like the aliens.
Speaker 6: Well they haven't tried, you know, but there's no doubt that.
Speaker 2: The aliens are really just interdimensional beings. It's the interdimensional
Speaker 2: beings that are actually covering themselves up. The Pentagon has
Speaker 2: no control over the gods. If the gods want to
Speaker 2: appear just like that, they could do it, but they're not.
Speaker 2: So they're being discreete sneaky, in deceptive at times. So
Speaker 2: is it possible that they could mutate some humans to
Speaker 2: produce a few outlier giants seven to eight feet tall? Sure?
Speaker 2: I think there's something definitely weird in carentepic. There's definitely
Speaker 2: a reference to six fingers, eight fingers, and some with
Speaker 2: four fingers. I don't know what's up of that. The
Speaker 2: current hypothesis is that maybe symbolizes their rank based off
Speaker 2: the number of fingers. A little odd. I'm not sure yet.
Speaker 2: Hopefully we find some actual writing or petroglyphs that come
Speaker 2: out of go beckway Teppe and Karen Tape. But there's
Speaker 2: something weird there. And the Bible does reference is polydactyalism,
Speaker 2: so there, But it's the question is is there's some
Speaker 2: tradition being passed down from Kiren Teppe go Beque Tepe
Speaker 2: into the Biblical reference with the reference of polytactism. Possibly.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't rule out the possibility that UAPs could mutate
Speaker 2: a few humans, but it would just be some outliers,
Speaker 2: a mutation born and then it dies. But it's not
Speaker 2: persistent where we could see it everywhere because someone, some
Speaker 2: construction worker would have dug it up by now take
Speaker 2: a picture and post on Instagram someone what we're doing.
Speaker 6: Lots of six fingered hand prints from around the American Southwest,
Speaker 6: including some Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's something to that. So there is this polism is
Speaker 2: something possible? Yeah, there's possible.
Speaker 6: And if it's related to the giants as well, those
Speaker 6: are two big, glaring coincidences that we need to start
Speaker 6: taking more seriously because I think the institutions that are
Speaker 6: investigating this or not were not investigate.
Speaker 7: I think that there are many depictions in hieroglyphics of
Speaker 7: giants too that I mean, if we're talking about Egypt,
Speaker 7: there's some fucking hieroglyphics you might want to check out
Speaker 7: because there's some giants up in that bitch.
Speaker 8: But I also don't believe enough you take the art.
Speaker 2: Too seriously though, because a symbolic at times, yeah, because
Speaker 2: sometimes a giant the power of the feruh, not a
Speaker 2: literal giant.
Speaker 7: Yeah, But I mean some of them, some of them
Speaker 7: might be a metaphor, some of them might be like
Speaker 7: real ship.
Speaker 8: But also.
Speaker 5: What did you say, Jules, I said it could be both.
Speaker 8: Maybe it could be both.
Speaker 2: There's not much evidence.
Speaker 6: The problem is is like we find all of this
Speaker 6: stuff in the New World, we find all of this
Speaker 6: stuff in the Old world, and then we see the
Speaker 6: same institutions coming in and messing up any chance of
Speaker 6: having a real investigation. And that's the problem is that
Speaker 6: if we can't get these ideas taken seriously at least
Speaker 6: in some way, shape or form, the Smithsonian can keep
Speaker 6: destroying evidence, which they've been caught doing over and over again,
Speaker 6: especially with the boneyard up in Alaska. They took all
Speaker 6: of this stuff from the boneyard up in Alaska down
Speaker 6: to the Smithsonian to put it on display, and they
Speaker 6: just dumped it in the river like that type of
Speaker 6: irresponsible behavior needs to be called out, and far too
Speaker 6: often people just say it was that they that they
Speaker 6: took on behalf of a person. No, I don't, I
Speaker 6: don't know.
Speaker 2: It's it's the same thing.
Speaker 6: It's the Cosmos Club and the Smithsonian Institute working together
Speaker 6: to keep down certain aspects of society. You have the
Speaker 6: Cosmos Club pamphlets and the things that they wrote about
Speaker 6: saying we need to keep certain truths from the general public.
Speaker 6: These are the founders of the Smithsonian Institute writing that
Speaker 6: in the Cosmos Club this is very important stuff that
Speaker 6: now we have huge chunks of our own history missing
Speaker 6: because of the elites that were mismanaging all of this evidence.
Speaker 6: And they're still doing it to this day.
Speaker 2: And it's really irresponsible for us political attitude dictate reality here.
Speaker 2: You're it is very political looking at a conspiracy.
Speaker 6: Flint Dibbel, for instance, Flint Dibbel looks at us like
Speaker 6: we're children and having that perspective from these institutions looking
Speaker 6: at us like we don't know what we're talking about
Speaker 6: all the time. Is so we're all fatigued by it
Speaker 6: because we asked questions responsible.
Speaker 2: And Dan Dandy Dunker said that he was trying to
Speaker 2: say that Atlantis is eastern island. But we know you
Speaker 2: can literally look it up yourself and read that Plato's
Speaker 2: elephants and it doesn't rain and there's lots of gold,
Speaker 2: So it makes no sense that he would make that same.
Speaker 2: But because Dan is trying to make the concept bigger
Speaker 2: than what actually Plato was saying, he's ignoring details intentionally,
Speaker 2: or he's not reading it, or he doesn't care. That's
Speaker 2: what doctor me are calling out. And I'm going to
Speaker 2: call that out.
Speaker 6: I agree it should be called out. But the patriarchal
Speaker 6: methodology that they use to keep the public away from
Speaker 6: certain inconvenient facts about their own history is really, really tiresome.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's no way that we can all just
Speaker 6: say the Smithsonian Institute doesn't have their hands dirty when
Speaker 6: it comes to mismanaging all these articles. There's a reason
Speaker 6: why Trump recently signed a document saying we need to
Speaker 6: have a full accounting of what's going on in the Smithsonian.
Speaker 6: They've been outside of the control of the American people
Speaker 6: for a long time now, and we need.
Speaker 2: It's not the Smithsonian, it's the intelligence agencies. If there's
Speaker 2: let me tell you, for military, if there if they
Speaker 2: find something in Iraq that looks like a mutated human
Speaker 2: or a chrimera or anything like that, the first people
Speaker 2: are gonna get it will be the military, and then
Speaker 2: they're sending it off straight to the intelligence to be
Speaker 2: locked up that. I believe the Comsnian, on the other hand,
Speaker 2: is not going to get access to that. See, I
Speaker 2: will go straight to ma Sonian directors say you give
Speaker 2: us that, or we're going to drain your bank account.
Speaker 5: That's what we're trying.
Speaker 6: It's all the same thing. We're just trying to more
Speaker 6: civilian controls.
Speaker 2: One more powerful than the other because one hasn't.
Speaker 6: Done patriarchal, right, it's the patriarchal nature of how they
Speaker 6: treat us, and they cover for the people who are
Speaker 6: pressuring them instead of exposing it to the people who
Speaker 6: should know about it. And that's the big problem is
Speaker 6: all throughout the institutions we find that same attitude, which
Speaker 6: is why a lot of people get upset about this
Speaker 6: topic because of the fact that there is so much obfuscation.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a liberal I feel like it's really
Speaker 2: there's too many liberal archaeologists like these two and sort
Speaker 2: of speak out, but there's not enough more conservative or
Speaker 2: rationalists like realistic archaeologist out there to speak out. And
Speaker 2: that's why you're gaining conflicts. I'm noticing a divide. Yeah
Speaker 2: on Dandy de Dunker or Graham or Jimmy for Bright.
Speaker 2: Inside there are a lot of them are right leaning,
Speaker 2: and then you're encountering more than left leaning academics and
Speaker 2: you're colliding, and there's not too many centrists like me
Speaker 2: to speak out say yes, there really was an Atlantis
Speaker 2: and definitely has something to do with the Middle East,
Speaker 2: and it's broabably Egypt, because as Robert Ravow said, or
Speaker 2: not Vow, what's the guy that went on Joe Rogan
Speaker 2: that died. Oh he had the white beer and blanket
Speaker 2: out of his name, but he was saying that, you
Speaker 2: know there there basically was an Atlantis. To Joe Rogan,
Speaker 2: it has something to do with Egypt. I think it
Speaker 2: was oh man like it. I was sorry, but I
Speaker 2: agree with Robert vow and others that Egypt could be older,
Speaker 2: because I do see artifacts that do have margin of errors.
Speaker 2: The dates of the Exus has a margin of error,
Speaker 2: Santerni has a margin of error. So when you add
Speaker 2: all these up, yes, there is something off with the
Speaker 2: dating records on things, and our chelcion should be open
Speaker 2: to that. But they do ignore the fact that, yeah,
Speaker 2: actually Santerni could be one thousand, six hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: eight BC or one thousand seven RBC. Is there a
Speaker 2: connection with the Indos Valley migration and collapse? And they say, well, well,
Speaker 2: we want to get to that because it complicates things. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: it might complicate things. Okay, let's actually look at Platoon
Speaker 2: and see there is some historical historicity that's shaping his worldview.
Speaker 2: Real things. Elephants are real, the sun is real. The
Speaker 2: gods are real to some extent. They call them UAPs
Speaker 2: or angels and demons. Could they be aliens? The evidence
Speaker 2: isn't strong enough yep for that. So let's go to
Speaker 2: the last slide and I'll just kind of end it here.
Speaker 2: Let's see, Yeah, so, for example, I'm definitely open to
Speaker 2: the possibility of something even more macro than the story
Speaker 2: of players Atlantis, like, could there have been a lossivization
Speaker 2: at fifty five million years ago? Yes, Doctor Flint, Devil
Speaker 2: and Miano should be open to that possibility, because when
Speaker 2: you're going back fifty five million years ago now entropy
Speaker 2: has enough time to completely alter things. Oil would be replenished,
Speaker 2: so it wouldn't be just depleted. It takes about fifty
Speaker 2: about thirty to fifty million years for that to be replenished.
Speaker 2: So it's a possibility Mount Rushmore would be completely gone. Okay,
Speaker 2: crazy Horse monument as well. So yeah, things could completely
Speaker 2: rode by that timescale, but not just within the past
Speaker 2: twelve thousand and fifteen thousand years, No, or even one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand years. Mount Rushmore would still exist two hundred
Speaker 2: thousand years from now. It would be hard to notice it,
Speaker 2: but you could see some stylistic carving on it. So
Speaker 2: but if you want to even go bigger, you could
Speaker 2: say even the pre Carnian Peluvian event two hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty million years ago, a massive extinction event completely wiped
Speaker 2: off the civilization, a massive rain event that happened there.
Speaker 2: But it has nothing to do with any biblical stories,
Speaker 2: Plato stories, nothing at all. Completely disconnected. Same thing with Venus.
Speaker 2: There's a real possibility that Venus could have been just
Speaker 2: like our more so than Mars because the sun was
Speaker 2: smaller and then it was more in the habitab zone,
Speaker 2: and Venus may have actually had a moon, and the
Speaker 2: hypothesis is that moon may have been mercury. If that's
Speaker 2: the case, there's a high probability Venus would have had
Speaker 2: a civilization because they now have detected according to the
Speaker 2: Japanese spaces and She that they found granite to detect
Speaker 2: the chemical signature of granite and phosphe So it's looking
Speaker 2: very likely there's a possibility that, you know, if Venus
Speaker 2: has a civilization, Now, what does that mean with the
Speaker 2: whole aspect of religion and the supernatural and paranormal things,
Speaker 2: because it shows that you know, this idea of Jesus,
Speaker 2: like is he an avatar? What do we mean by avatar?
Speaker 2: Is the debate on whether he's an interdimensional being? How
Speaker 2: many Jesuses have their or is there different angels or
Speaker 2: being interventional beings for every planet. But they're not the
Speaker 2: same being. So this does have a theological implication in
Speaker 2: the long run, which I'm open to. But we gotta
Speaker 2: wait until they send those satellites back to Venus, which
Speaker 2: Japan and Russia are gonna do in the twenty thirties,
Speaker 2: and it's gonna change the conversation big time in the
Speaker 2: late twenty thirties, I would say, and I would definitely
Speaker 2: be open, like C. S. Lewis was open to the
Speaker 2: possibility that Venus could have had a loss civilization. And now, okay,
Speaker 2: it wasn't gonna be within our timeline, but hundreds of
Speaker 2: millions of years ago, because right now NASA's only found
Speaker 2: about twelve out of six thousand exoplants may be considered
Speaker 2: super howpable, but that only means it has plants, doesn't
Speaker 2: mean it has a civilization, because our civilization is like
Speaker 2: a blipin time on Earth, so we don't it's hard
Speaker 2: to line up space and time. Venus is so close
Speaker 2: to us, but they're separated by time. So there really
Speaker 2: are probably extraterrestrials, but they're probably stuck on their Garden
Speaker 2: of Eden, just as we are. And that's the sad reality.
Speaker 2: Probably the Fermi paradox Chewy is a thing, and the
Speaker 2: great filters, and we're not gonna Carl Sagan said, you
Speaker 2: know arsivilization is like one second of three hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty five days of the Earth's lifespan. What happens in
Speaker 2: that next second, We're gonna just be gone, and maybe
Speaker 2: two hundred million years later another one pops up your
Speaker 2: backyard squirrel evolves to be the next hominid. It could recycle,
Speaker 2: but it's gonna have to be a larger scale, not
Speaker 2: sure scale, as Randall Carlson, Graham Hancock kind of want
Speaker 2: to believe on the recycling of civilization.
Speaker 6: Do you believe in homind carsonization? This is a theory
Speaker 6: I'm coming up with. So you've got all these crabs
Speaker 6: that are not the same as like each other. They're
Speaker 6: different species of crabs, but they all look like crabs, right,
Speaker 6: They're all shaped in the same way because of carsonization,
Speaker 6: where everything that gets to that level of evolution starts
Speaker 6: to look like a crab. Well, what if there's a
Speaker 6: hominid version of that where everybody, every ape or whatever
Speaker 6: that gets to this level of evolution starts to look
Speaker 6: like a human.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I think there's a high positive the dinoceroid hypothsis. So,
Speaker 2: like fifty five million years ago, is there a possible
Speaker 2: ability that Trodon would evolve to look more hominid like.
Speaker 2: And yeah, because there's some basic laws of physics. You
Speaker 2: need at least four fingers, and it's some kind of
Speaker 2: an external appendage at a certain angle to be able
Speaker 2: to grasp a tool in the right way, to be
Speaker 2: amzi diictrous, or you know, be able to write and
Speaker 2: maneuver material in a more efficient manner than like, you know,
Speaker 2: a dog can't. A dog can't write. It doesn't have
Speaker 2: the right anatomy of at all. It has to be
Speaker 2: the right form. So this is why instead of calling
Speaker 2: intelligent design, I would say intelligent programming. And that's mainly
Speaker 2: due to the anthropic principle, Like the way the laws
Speaker 2: of physics works inevitably leads to a natural form that
Speaker 2: is made in the so called image and likeness of
Speaker 2: the gods. Now, again, the gods are purely spiritual that
Speaker 2: could take av to our forms. But is there a
Speaker 2: possibility that these so called UAPs are not just immortal
Speaker 2: gods that were always immortal, but the hyphpods that maybe
Speaker 2: they were from planets and then they become a god.
Speaker 2: Because that's what the Egyptians believe that humans become a god,
Speaker 2: but a small g god, not the big cosmic one,
Speaker 2: but you move up the ranks of the of the
Speaker 2: heavens and a higher evolutionary spiritual form, I guess, And
Speaker 2: that's a possibility that some of these UAPs we experienced,
Speaker 2: maybe entities that were born from Venus a billion years
Speaker 2: ago and now they're immortal and flying around screwing around
Speaker 2: with us. That's a weird way to look at but
Speaker 2: I think there's one NASA professor or NASA administrator was
Speaker 2: talking with Diana Pasoka and was kind of bringing up
Speaker 2: that idea sort of, but that's out there, and I'm
Speaker 2: open to that possibility that because you know, people say
Speaker 2: that Mary is manifesting as something like a UAP, and
Speaker 2: then you get this pentagondactmaent called the Immaculate Constellation, a
Speaker 2: wink wink to the Virgin Mary. I'm like, why are
Speaker 2: they doing that? And then you make me want make
Speaker 2: you wonder. Okay, is Mary a god? What do we
Speaker 2: define as a god? Is she an angel? What we
Speaker 2: define as an angel, what's considered immortal? So the hierarchy
Speaker 2: and nature of angels is is pretty complicated. It comes
Speaker 2: down to basically their power level. In some sense, they're
Speaker 2: not all equal in their power, and they go up
Speaker 2: the rank, up the ladder. So some may truly have
Speaker 2: been from Venus for all we know. But they're no longer,
Speaker 2: you know, humans, They're not depending on the planet anymore.
Speaker 2: They have become transcendent to a higher reality.
Speaker 7: I guess you'd have to believe in space to agree
Speaker 7: with that closing statement. But I mean, I'm not I'm
Speaker 7: not trying to like gang up on you or anything.
Speaker 7: I really enjoy presentations like this. I mean, there's been
Speaker 7: some real rock stars in the comments section tonight. Maybe
Speaker 7: this is somebody from you, Jules nephlum Hunter zero zero seven,
Speaker 7: Is that from you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, I wonder well, fucking I like this
Speaker 7: fucking guy retarded.
Speaker 8: That's all right with me, because so am I right?
Speaker 7: But yeah, you know, I think multiple things could be
Speaker 7: true at the same time. This is really interesting. I
Speaker 7: do still think that Atlantis could possibly have existed at
Speaker 7: one time. Maybe it's a advanced civilization, maybe it wasn't, but.
Speaker 2: Definitely pretty advanced relative to Greeks and the Romans. But
Speaker 2: I mean pyramids, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: That that's the thing though, that you and I skiz
Speaker 7: them on is I think like they had some help,
Speaker 7: like not ropes and pulleys and ship like that, but
Speaker 7: like levitation and uh you know that.
Speaker 2: But what if the gods don't give you that power.
Speaker 2: We don't know how much power might actually give us.
Speaker 2: They might say, go ahead and slave away and use
Speaker 2: ropes and pulleys. We're not gonna help you. Why should
Speaker 2: they care.
Speaker 5: Whether someone figured it out or I don't know, what
Speaker 5: if they were passed down this knowledge and a download
Speaker 5: or a vision or maybe.
Speaker 2: On the gods.
Speaker 5: What if the gods created the theory? You know, there's
Speaker 5: those theories as well, Like there's lots.
Speaker 2: Of eaves to say that I'm open to the possibility.
Speaker 2: Like there's someone on Twitter name third Eyed Seekhs and
Speaker 2: third Ied Sekhs, and I are kind of I don't
Speaker 2: know if you guys know him, but he goes around
Speaker 2: last year and talks about how the pyramids are kind
Speaker 2: of built and the possibility that they had to use
Speaker 2: more advanced levers and cranes and pulleys at the level
Speaker 2: of Rome or Persia so and that some of that
Speaker 2: knowledge was lost and then rediscovered by the Romans and
Speaker 2: the Persians. So they actually were a little bit more
Speaker 2: advanced because the technologies and the techniques they would have
Speaker 2: used would been very similar to how they built the
Speaker 2: cathedrals of Europe. So how the Masons built that is
Speaker 2: probably what they've learned from how the Egyptians built their temples.
Speaker 2: So they probably had cranes, they had poison left, but
Speaker 2: in a complicated form. So if you look up, for example,
Speaker 2: the image of the Cleopatches needle in Central Park that
Speaker 2: the Freemasons had had moved, they had this giant scaffolding
Speaker 2: let not levitating but suspending it in a folk grum,
Speaker 2: the whole obelisk, and they could tilt it with ropes
Speaker 2: and different poison. They use metal, of course, and horses,
Speaker 2: hundreds of horses, and it was a complicated thing, and
Speaker 2: they did it, and then the Vatican did the same thing,
Speaker 2: and the column in Saint Petersburg did the same thing.
Speaker 2: But it was a complicated system. Wasn't just a bunch
Speaker 2: of people pulling with ropes, No, they had to develop
Speaker 2: an architectural scaffolding system with mechanical advantages to be able
Speaker 2: to move this whole thing, even wheels. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: think the Egyptians had more yes, exactly the Egyptians because
Speaker 2: pictures like that, that's no, no, that's that is a
Speaker 2: not that's not the original picture. That's a scan.
Speaker 6: That's that's the original picture that they skid. But that's
Speaker 6: a real picture. See, No, it looks like the people
Speaker 6: in the foreground. This is eighteen eighty one. I believe
Speaker 6: it looks like the people in the foreground. Now, that's
Speaker 6: definitely a drawing.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is this is a redrawing of that picture. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's another one, but there's a calm in Alexandria too,
Speaker 2: you can look up that. But a lot of them
Speaker 2: are drawings. Yes, but because you know, they didn't have
Speaker 2: photography back then, so sure.
Speaker 7: Because it didn't fucking happen that way, and they had
Speaker 7: to draw some ship up to make you think that
Speaker 7: they built it when they fucking didn't build it at all.
Speaker 8: Anyways, they did, That's how. That's when I moved it.
Speaker 8: That's what I'm saying about this.
Speaker 2: You got it.
Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying, though, is you got You said
Speaker 7: not everything is a conspiracy.
Speaker 8: What I'm telling you is it?
Speaker 7: Fucking is any every little thing is a CONSPIASI I
Speaker 7: wear anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at.
Speaker 6: Where they're they're picking it up. This is a real photo, right,
Speaker 6: but it doesn't show it in and it doesn't show
Speaker 6: they're putting it on the boat.
Speaker 2: I don't have video camera back then, the cameras they had,
Speaker 2: but you don't trust that photo. It comes down to
Speaker 2: your trust if you don't trust in basic society.
Speaker 6: Here's another drawing.
Speaker 2: That's drawing.
Speaker 4: But what what the camera back then?
Speaker 2: There weren't that many cameras back then. Of course you
Speaker 2: have to be a little bit.
Speaker 6: People came right, Yeah, there's a drug, right, so you
Speaker 6: guys a.
Speaker 8: Bunch of communists, the elites, the elites just.
Speaker 4: What we see.
Speaker 2: There are some conspiracies. U aps definitely have been hidden
Speaker 2: from us intentionally, and it's understandable, I think to some degree.
Speaker 6: Well here's the picture, right, that's a real Now.
Speaker 3: You know what's funny is that you think some of
Speaker 3: the stuff we think is so silly, But I actually
Speaker 3: think that you're listening to lou Alexandre was fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 2: That's not just again, he wasn't even in in the
Speaker 2: know until someone in the state. Yeah, what about David
Speaker 2: Crush It is a ship.
Speaker 5: I mean, would they allow them to speak if they
Speaker 5: weren't in on it. Man, I mean, look at history.
Speaker 2: You're correct what we've seen in the past, name Greek,
Speaker 2: different career. Yeah, you guys are.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: He was very closely tied into the Clinton administration, like
Speaker 6: all of his agree stuff back in the nineties, were
Speaker 6: very close to the government, and that was his message.
Speaker 6: It seems really ridiculous.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: Look, yeah, the whole U a p topic. It's definitely
Speaker 2: a top down approach. It's the people at the very
Speaker 2: top who want to disclose it. It started under the
Speaker 2: Obama administration. Obama must have signed something to give them,
Speaker 2: give the Geospatial Intelligence Agency Claire to begin the process
Speaker 2: because it's that institution that holds the servers that have
Speaker 2: the classified videos from the eighties and the nineties and
Speaker 2: so forth. So sure, I agree, it's definitely top down.
Speaker 2: All these officers they cannot publicly speak without permission from
Speaker 2: the superiors. I agree. But yes, it's from the top down,
Speaker 2: because the Pentagon knows they can't control the phenomenon. What
Speaker 2: happens if the phenomenon does do something that's ontological, like
Speaker 2: in twenty eleven over the Dome of the Rock in
Speaker 2: Jerusalem that was a real event, and Fox News just
Speaker 2: kind of showed the wrong video and CNN just that
Speaker 2: it's probably just something fake. But there are five different
Speaker 2: angles of that shot in twenty eleven. Something happened over
Speaker 2: there and after.
Speaker 8: That event that I think so too. I think that
Speaker 8: was some real shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Obam administration said, Okay, maybe we should begin
Speaker 2: the process of disclosure because we can't hide the phenomenon
Speaker 2: because the phenomenon is going to people like me. And now,
Speaker 2: in my case, I didn't get on video because the
Speaker 2: phenomenon happened to be too sneaky and clever and realized
Speaker 2: I wanted to get on video and wouldn't let me.
Speaker 2: Sounds like an excuse, but these entities are very sneaky,
Speaker 2: very deceptive, and they're very powerful relative to us. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's very hard to prove the existence of interdimensional beings.
Speaker 2: But we now have cameras for the first time ever
Speaker 2: on this planet in the past hundred years, and they're
Speaker 2: starting to appear. The veil is lifting. The Pentagon has
Speaker 2: to prepare for that. It's not just the Pentagon, it's Japan.
Speaker 5: I think these people that run the Pentagon have been
Speaker 5: channeling these beings.
Speaker 2: Periods ready can't control them. Well, the Nazis tried it
Speaker 2: and they failed. Well, Nazis got screwed by the Gin.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not just the Nazis, it's it's every uh
Speaker 5: you know, you would say political organization or who has
Speaker 5: power at the time.
Speaker 2: In the eighteen hundreds, they did. I think there was
Speaker 2: an attempt to try to see if they can summon
Speaker 2: these entities using so called psionics to gain some kind
Speaker 2: of power. The Nazis, we're definitely doing this, and Americans
Speaker 2: learned it from the Nazis. But ultimately the Vatican is
Speaker 2: saying you can't control the gods. Plato said that you
Speaker 2: can't control the gods. Don't trust the damn gods because
Speaker 2: they will mess with you. And they absolutely do, because
Speaker 2: fifty percent of them are basically purely demonic and the
Speaker 2: other fifty percent are very discreet and sneaky, but they
Speaker 2: don't want to show themselves fully. Majors of bold plasma
Speaker 2: like al shape ship into Metal. But I talked about
Speaker 2: this on Reverse Channel a lot. We have a whole
Speaker 2: two hours of this, so you guys can check that
Speaker 2: out on Reverse Channel.
Speaker 6: Well, we're back to the gods. I think that's the
Speaker 6: important part. I think we're all integret saying that.
Speaker 7: But what's the I'm a Christian and I'm here for it.
Speaker 7: You know, I've been saying that this angel that's yeah, on.
Speaker 4: The side, but yeah, yeah, I mean for.
Speaker 6: Two thousand years that they didn't exist, and now we're
Speaker 6: back to it. They killed millions and millions of people
Speaker 6: telling them that the gods didn't Well, actually, did you
Speaker 6: hear kind of interesting?
Speaker 1: Now, did you hear?
Speaker 2: What's his name? Carl Carlnell? Carln Nell spoke at the
Speaker 2: SAUL conference. He basically said, it's not really a discovery,
Speaker 2: it's more like a rediscovery of these entities. He didn't
Speaker 2: call them gods. He's trying to avoid religious terminology intentionally,
Speaker 2: but he's saying it wouldn't be that shocking for the
Speaker 2: average Christian or Muslim or even Buddhists because they believed
Speaker 2: in this stuff. Because back in the old days, summoning
Speaker 2: the gods for warfare was a common thing. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was just like you just didn't know how to
Speaker 2: prove it.
Speaker 5: They invade countries on certain days during a certain perment year,
Speaker 5: they they planned out. These old gods are still implicated
Speaker 5: and every day goings on. Brother, you can see who
Speaker 5: they venerate through the symbolism, and it's it's very easy
Speaker 5: to tell you should you should look into some of it.
Speaker 4: Brother.
Speaker 7: Well that's why all the ancient cultures like that in.
Speaker 5: This stuff, dude, you should look into esoteric symbolism and
Speaker 5: all the accade I've listened to definitely worth it.
Speaker 2: Well that.
Speaker 7: All the all the ancient civilizations that you're talking about,
Speaker 7: Go becklay Tepe, the karen Tepe place that was nearby,
Speaker 7: Go becklay Tepe, all these fucking blood pits and ship
Speaker 7: and the Egyptians, and they.
Speaker 8: Were all sacrificed and fucking.
Speaker 7: Even Graham Pancok's like, look at this, look at this
Speaker 7: odd structure.
Speaker 8: It looks like a blood pit.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because they were all doing some fucking weird battylon
Speaker 7: fucking sacrificing babies and ship. They all wanted to consort
Speaker 7: with some type of weird entity and the aztext and
Speaker 7: the fucking blood rituals.
Speaker 8: I mean, they all, they all did it, and they were.
Speaker 2: Because the.
Speaker 6: Skyscrapers Washington they still do.
Speaker 8: They still do that ship. It's just covered.
Speaker 7: In the US, the government is run by Satanic fucking
Speaker 7: pedophile and they.
Speaker 6: In Washington, d C. Alone that why would they keep
Speaker 6: that knowledge and then put that into the streets unless
Speaker 6: there was something more to it than just because.
Speaker 2: They believe Atlantis was Egypt.
Speaker 5: They believe they believe that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they believe America was like the new Atlantis, the
Speaker 2: new Rome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the new Rome right New York.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, Yeah, it's all just European culture being
Speaker 2: inherited over here. I mean, that's natural. It comes the
Speaker 2: same thing with Chinese culture and being inherited by Japan.
Speaker 2: But that's not really a phenomenon.
Speaker 6: We don't really have access to it anymore. Like they're
Speaker 6: not teaching this stuff as being part of our history,
Speaker 6: like the streets of Washington College.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put so much.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't put so much faith in college either, man.
Speaker 5: I look, but you know, we just.
Speaker 2: There Uels is something that to influence America. Definitely, that's
Speaker 2: not they don't talk about. But they're not as it
Speaker 2: used to be.
Speaker 6: Well, there's there's a point to that. They're cutting us
Speaker 6: off from that knowledge and they're keeping it for themselves.
Speaker 6: And that's what we constantly see over and over again
Speaker 6: today with the very same organizations. So there is a
Speaker 6: continuity there. We're left in the dark all the time,
Speaker 6: and it's time that changes. We need to get a
Speaker 6: little bit more respect from our government because they don't
Speaker 6: really represent us at all. That's that's the issue that
Speaker 6: everybody's sort of coming into, is that we're at a
Speaker 6: point right now.
Speaker 2: It's not just that it's like let met our souls
Speaker 2: alone here, you know, we have to like when it
Speaker 2: comes to who Atlantis war, in some sense, it hasn't
Speaker 2: really ended because it's still being invoked with Israel because
Speaker 2: Israel is basically influenced by the Greek civilization and they're
Speaker 2: sort of, you know, over the original Atlantean world and
Speaker 2: they're still a collision there. But it's really it's not
Speaker 2: conspiratorials that it's more geopolitical because the geography is so
Speaker 2: shitty it forces wars. If you had open land, like
Speaker 2: in the Midwest, you can force your way a lot
Speaker 2: faster and unify that region if you have horses. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's why then Americans couldn't conquer or fight back because
Speaker 2: they didn't have enough horses, they didn't have enough guns,
Speaker 2: they didn't have a big enough population. They're wiped out
Speaker 2: by a disease, so they lost and that's because of geography.
Speaker 2: Ultimately comes down to the landscape and geography that dictates
Speaker 2: which civilization can be more powerful than another. That's why
Speaker 2: China is going to be very powerful because I got
Speaker 2: a billion people. Because it comes down to the law
Speaker 2: of natural selection, survival of the fitness. It's power politics ultimately,
Speaker 2: and I learned that in the University of Iowa. And
Speaker 2: it sucks that. You know, Yeah, Israel basically wants to
Speaker 2: genocidally murder people out so they can gain more strategic
Speaker 2: real estate put their hotels on. It's sad, but that's
Speaker 2: the sad react. Well, I come down on this.
Speaker 6: I would agree with Flint Dibble on this. The the
Speaker 6: story about how the mound builders were wiped out by
Speaker 6: these current Native Americans was a motivating factor in westward expansion, right.
Speaker 6: They said that these people who built these mounds that
Speaker 6: you know, they had all these cities based around, were
Speaker 6: more like the Europeans and the people who wiped them
Speaker 6: out were the Native Americans, So that gave us license
Speaker 6: to expand westward. That was one of the big motivating
Speaker 6: factors of that time period. And I think it did
Speaker 6: because everybody knew of the stories of Atlantis, and they
Speaker 6: understood that there were somehow a much wider Aryan civilization
Speaker 6: that was sort of out there in the new world
Speaker 6: that they were coming to. This was a lot of
Speaker 6: the mythology that came.
Speaker 4: Through the.
Speaker 2: Perspective. Yes, Columbus sort of.
Speaker 6: With the Knights Peplar, who are re emerging as a
Speaker 6: factor now and all of this college. Yeah, yet they
Speaker 6: were talking about that stuff, you know, that was there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an ideological thing.
Speaker 6: The founding fathers were all into the Knights Templar stuff,
Speaker 6: and we're even finding stuff like that today coming out
Speaker 6: of these statues that they tore down back in twenty twenty.
Speaker 6: They found post guards that had Knights Templar seals and
Speaker 6: symbols on them. That was a huge factor in the
Speaker 6: United States government. And we don't again the label, but.
Speaker 2: Ultimately very much it's not it's not really the ideology
Speaker 2: of just the Knights Templar or the free basis. It's
Speaker 2: more the fact that there's a big river there that
Speaker 2: has a lot of freaking water. We want that river,
Speaker 2: get that river. So for that's why why do you
Speaker 2: think Russia is invade in Ukraine, they want Didiaper River
Speaker 2: and they're gonna conquer everything up to that river because
Speaker 2: rivers strategic real estate or you know, resources. That's the
Speaker 2: ultimate thing. So when Tuesday, oh, we're gonna we're gonna go,
Speaker 2: you know, defend Israel and expand Israel because we Israel's
Speaker 2: being attacked and all that. In reality, know, Israel just
Speaker 2: wants to expand their border on prime real estate to
Speaker 2: secure the state more, and they will murder people out
Speaker 2: to do it. Doesn't matter if your democracy a communist
Speaker 2: state or a fascist state. It ultimately is land is
Speaker 2: forcing you to become dictatorial or fascist because of scarcity.
Speaker 2: Because as Neil Degrass Tyson said, this planet is not
Speaker 2: as habitable as people think. Only like twenty percent or
Speaker 2: less of the land surface is apable. Imagine if that
Speaker 2: was fifty percent, there wouldn't be as many wars because
Speaker 2: you have more plentible resources. But the fact that you know,
Speaker 2: fifty percent of the United States is desert and the
Speaker 2: Middle East is pretty much all of desert except for
Speaker 2: the Garden of En of Egypt and Atlantis. I guess
Speaker 2: you could say, and you know, China's so confined in
Speaker 2: that one region of the Yale River. It forces these
Speaker 2: wars to happen because there's a scarcity. It's because the
Speaker 2: scarcity that forces these geopolitical agendas. It's not just ideology.
Speaker 2: Ideology is justification to go murder people, just as Catholics
Speaker 2: did that we.
Speaker 7: Digress the States was just Mason. Listen, Peter, Okay, I.
Speaker 2: Don't agree with everything he says, but he's right. The
Speaker 2: Earth is trying to kill us, and that's why there's
Speaker 2: so much war, because we're fighting for primarial estate. That's
Speaker 2: a logical argument. It's nothing conspiratorial. But there are conspiracy
Speaker 2: that force that people make up to justify stealing land,
Speaker 2: like the Israel wants to expand off to the Tigers River.
Speaker 2: That's insane.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 6: I've got right here the the Rosy Cross Order sixty
Speaker 6: eighth Convocation of the Rosy Cross. This is in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 6: That yeah, that's the Great Seal of the United States
Speaker 6: being unveiled in this occult literature employers sixteen years.
Speaker 1: But no, this isn't the Jews.
Speaker 6: This is the Knights Duplar and the Rosicrucians and the Freemasons.
Speaker 6: They all got together up in Pennsylvania and had this.
Speaker 2: Six are Jews. I'll let you know that they're definitely, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 6: It influenced by Yeah right again this book they talk
Speaker 6: about Atlantis. Right, they talk about Atlantis and they say
Speaker 6: that it stretches from Mexico all the way over to Africa.
Speaker 6: This was their opinion on Atlantis.
Speaker 2: And this was back in the ninetees.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 6: But I'm saying, like this is within their mythology, and.
Speaker 4: I mean that's just opinion, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like it's like the Israel things that
Speaker 2: they're the chosen people of God. Well, the real chosen
Speaker 2: people were the Egyptians, and the early Jews were Egyptians,
Speaker 2: and they weren't you know, Ukrainians and Russians. Okay, that
Speaker 2: moved to Israel. It's yeah. People will use ideologies and
Speaker 2: shape and shape shifted to manipulate Geolin gains. So America,
Speaker 2: because of Christopher clumb was naming the first islands the Antilles.
Speaker 2: The Mason started to believe that America basically was Atlantis.
Speaker 2: But then that shifted as a nation. Stays said, well
Speaker 2: maybe it's in the little Atlantic Ocean, and then that
Speaker 2: kind of shifted. So, but modern scholars now no longer
Speaker 2: believe that because now we have subundance of a months
Speaker 2: of evidence, and to say that it doesn't make any
Speaker 2: logical sense because now we can compare it with other
Speaker 2: writings of Plato and say it was just talking about
Speaker 2: the Middle East, where all of our problems come from.
Speaker 6: Right. So this group specifically is saying under the authority
Speaker 6: of the Rose Cross Order, founded in America in eighteen
Speaker 6: fifty eight, prominent delegates of the Order were gathered in
Speaker 6: the most remarkable conclave held during the last five thousand years,
Speaker 6: the publication of whose records now opens the world and
Speaker 6: connection of Egypt in her ages of true religion, power
Speaker 6: and glory with the mystical Seal of the United States,
Speaker 6: whose heralderic symbolism declaring the mighty destiny of America has
Speaker 6: until now only been known to a limited number. He's
Speaker 6: saying that there is a huge connection between America, Atlantis,
Speaker 6: and Egypt, right your theory.
Speaker 2: At the time, Yeah, they did literature, Yeah, but they're
Speaker 2: talking about they still separated though. I think they still thought.
Speaker 2: They weren't sure Themazons weren't sure if Egypt was Atlantis
Speaker 2: in the eighteen fifties until maybe in Night, I think
Speaker 2: under Madam Blovotsky and other occultis they start to realize
Speaker 2: that definitely had something to do with Egypt. But as
Speaker 2: archaeology expanded and we were starting to really figure it out,
Speaker 2: we realized that, yeah, it does have something to do
Speaker 2: with Egypt, especially in the eighteen fifties, and that's why
Speaker 2: an obelisk was placed. There wasn't just for George Washington.
Speaker 2: It was to say that we are the new Atlantis.
Speaker 6: We are the new It was Egyptian. They're the new Atlantis,
Speaker 6: and it's Egyptians.
Speaker 2: So they were with Manfeism started in Egypt. It wasn't
Speaker 2: the Jice. I mean, it was a pre Jews, which
Speaker 2: were Egyptians, not you know Oshkenazi Jews from Russia.
Speaker 6: Right, So all I'm saying is that they would agree
Speaker 6: with you on your thesis that they were probably talking
Speaker 6: about Egypt. The difference is that they also believed that
Speaker 6: Egypt was in the New World as well, which was
Speaker 6: a big part of their theories of expanding westward. Is
Speaker 6: their adoration for Egypt and their their willingness to look
Speaker 6: for the things that they kept secret from all the
Speaker 6: rest of the world.
Speaker 2: And I think they saw similar of meso America.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that one priest, the archaeologist was his name,
Speaker 2: the French guy. He he's the one that first proposed
Speaker 2: there's a connection really with with Central America and Egypt,
Speaker 2: and then a lot of Freemasons ironically adopted that. Catholics
Speaker 2: believe and even though he was basically wrong. I mean,
Speaker 2: there might have been some distant connection because there aren't
Speaker 2: trade route winds that go straight to meso America if
Speaker 2: you took from Egypt. Sure, but it's like a one way,
Speaker 2: one way route unless you have more advanced sailing techniques.
Speaker 2: But we don't see evidence that Egypt had advanced sailing
Speaker 2: techniques at the level of Christopher Columbus's ships. It is
Speaker 2: they just they were using their ships mainly in the
Speaker 2: Eastern Mediterranean and the Nile. It wasn't designed to go
Speaker 2: across the Atlantic. So sure a few may have ended
Speaker 2: up in America, but they got stranded there. Maybe they
Speaker 2: had a slight influence on the American culture's there's a possibility.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't rule that out, but I think that's more
Speaker 2: of the Freemason's ideology in the early periods wanting to
Speaker 2: believe that the Americas was basically Atlantis. But I don't
Speaker 2: think modern day Freemasons believe that anymore. Maybe Randall Carlson
Speaker 2: well random believes in the Azers more because of that mappen.
Speaker 2: But Randall's not your normal Freemason. Yeah, it's hard to say.
Speaker 2: But again, people's ideas in the old days, you know,
Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds, even then, it shifted so much because we
Speaker 2: have so much technology now and archaeological evidence to change
Speaker 2: what actually is the reality and reality is it all
Speaker 2: goes back to the Middle East.
Speaker 3: Sadly enough, when I was at the Cosmic Summit, out
Speaker 3: of all the Freemasons, Randall Carson was the only one
Speaker 3: with three bodyguards and another truck behind it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, he's not like it really.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if he's even still in
Speaker 2: a lodge. I mean, he was a former Freemason, but
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's already practicing.
Speaker 3: We're gonna wrap it up, jewels, how to leave? Actually, oh, no,
Speaker 3: he's there. He's there, not to cut you off. It's
Speaker 3: just it's been over to its fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's a good discussion lively. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it was fun real quick, Uh, Peter, do you want
Speaker 4: to let everybody know where they can find you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can check me out my YouTube channel at
Speaker 2: nickma Seeker or on reburse channel or on YouTuber suspects sky.
Speaker 2: I made a few videos and been on their podcast.
Speaker 2: I've also been Mica and Dave's channel. We did a
Speaker 2: little talk abou Atlantis there and yeah, there's a few
Speaker 2: orders I've been on.
Speaker 4: Awesome, Awesome, Thank you very much everybody else. I'm not
Speaker 4: going to because Jewels has gotta get going. I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna list you're dude.
Speaker 3: It's fun, right, Okay, it's really real quick. Let everybody
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Speaker 8: Thanks.
Speaker 7: You know, obviously these are just my opinions. Thanks everybody
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Speaker 7: You know, we should all be challenged from time to time.
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Speaker 7: was really fun. I enjoyed the conversation.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Julie, and Hello's giants, sir, Thank
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Speaker 9: Everybody be will the continent of Atlantis was an island
Speaker 9: which lay before the Great Flood, in the area we
Speaker 9: now call the Atlantic Ocean, so great an area of
Speaker 9: land that from her western shores those beautiful sailors journeyed
Speaker 9: to the South and the North Americas with ease in
Speaker 9: their ships, with painted sails.
Speaker 1: To the east.
Speaker 9: Africa was her neighbor, across a short strait of sea miles.
Speaker 9: The Great Egyptian Age is but a remnant of the
Speaker 9: Atlantean culture. The Antediluvian kings colonized the world, all the
Speaker 9: gods who play in the mythological dramas in all legends,
Speaker 9: from all lands where from fair Atlantis. Knowing her fate,
Speaker 9: Atlantis sent out ships to all corners of the earth,
Speaker 9: on board with the twelve, the poet, the physician, the farmer,
Speaker 9: the scientist, the magician, and the other so called gods
Speaker 9: of our legends. Though gods they were, and as the
Speaker 9: elders of our time choose to remain blind, let us rejoice,
Speaker 9: and let us sing and dance and ring in the
Speaker 9: new hailed Atlantis.
Speaker 1: Below the shanty. She may be way shany me, she.
Speaker 2: May be.
Speaker 1: Known. She made me