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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to welcome back to the show Stephen Status.

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<v Speaker 1>He is host and producer of bgcast podcast. He has

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated his life to understanding the nature of human consciousness,

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<v Speaker 1>the nature of reality, true human origins, and the occult

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<v Speaker 1>nature of our governments.

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<v Speaker 2>And global establishments.

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<v Speaker 1>He has recently started a new business, BEG Body, Mind

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<v Speaker 1>and Spirit, where he offers life coaching, Kundalini yoga classes,

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<v Speaker 1>breathwork classes, total body mind spirit health programs, personal training,

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<v Speaker 1>and much more. Steven, welcome back. How you doing good man?

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me back on. It's good to be

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<v Speaker 2>back on the show. And things have been rather interesting lately,

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<v Speaker 2>very very interesting and strange.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, man, I am definitely excited to get into

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<v Speaker 1>that as well as talk about your can you business.

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<v Speaker 1>Super excited about that, as well as some of the

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<v Speaker 1>modalities you're working with and going to be offering. You

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<v Speaker 1>also had a very profound experience with Mister Toad's Wild

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<v Speaker 1>Ride aka Buffo. Looking forward to hearing about that. I

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<v Speaker 1>myself have never experiences before. I might try it one day,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'd love to hear about your experience. Lots to

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<v Speaker 1>get to. Before we get to any of that, just

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<v Speaker 1>remind the audience a little bit about yourself and let

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<v Speaker 1>them know where they can find your show and more

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<v Speaker 1>about you.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, man, definitely.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Stephen of bgcast. I'm the owner of bg cast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm part of the Forbidden Knowledge Network along with Chris here,

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<v Speaker 2>and we are a podcast that covers the Great Awakening

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<v Speaker 2>and everything it entails. I specialize in the nature of

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<v Speaker 2>human consciousness, the nature of this reality, true human origins,

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<v Speaker 2>the occult nature of our governments and global lablishments. I

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<v Speaker 2>also specialize in psychedelics and Kundalini yoga. So I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>very well rounded, a jack of all trades here. So

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<v Speaker 2>and uh yeah, it's it's been an interesting ride to

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<v Speaker 2>say it right right on.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, before we get into your recent experiences and talking

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<v Speaker 1>about what you're offering people now at your business, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you feel about how everything has been unfolding, political theater,

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<v Speaker 1>the breakdown of sanity within society, AI taking over our

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<v Speaker 1>social media and complete lives. What are your thoughts on everything?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is all you know. What I can really

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<v Speaker 2>say about it, Chris is this is we are in

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<v Speaker 2>a very strange unknown and uncharted territory for this current

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<v Speaker 2>batch of humanity we we have entered. And it's even

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<v Speaker 2>crazy too, man, because I've been I do think we're

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<v Speaker 2>getting some kind of one hundredth monkey backed out of

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<v Speaker 2>all of this too, Because as of lately, man, I've

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<v Speaker 2>been having people you would consider asleep, people you consider

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<v Speaker 2>normies coming up to me and asking me, does everything

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<v Speaker 2>feel fake to you?

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<v Speaker 3>Does?

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<v Speaker 2>Does everything? Does time feel off? Does everything? And of course,

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<v Speaker 2>on the inside I'm like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this is awesome, but you know, I'm playing at koy.

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<v Speaker 2>On the outside, I'm like, oh, oh, what do you mean, Explain? Explain.

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<v Speaker 2>But I feel we're getting pushed, We're getting compressed, we're

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<v Speaker 2>getting nudged to awaken, you know, in a collective sense

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<v Speaker 2>as well. I mean, you know, some of the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that we're seeing going down is at least in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>is so blatantly either staged or doctored. It's becoming very,

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<v Speaker 2>very obvious. And at this point, I think it's only

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<v Speaker 2>a matter of time before we start having more people

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<v Speaker 2>asking the question, does everything feel fake to you? What's

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<v Speaker 2>going on with time? Why does everything feel like a show?

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<v Speaker 2>Because ultimately it is man. So as of right now,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just in a very strange, unknown and uncharted territory.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder how much is actually a show in a

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<v Speaker 1>sense that it is thought out, it is planned, its

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<v Speaker 1>theater for the masses, And how much is actually synchronistic

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<v Speaker 1>surfing in a sense that there is a level of

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<v Speaker 1>awareness of the desired outcome that the parasitic ruling class

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<v Speaker 1>as you would call it, wants to have. So maybe

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<v Speaker 1>there's some ritualistic aspects behind things, Maybe there's a series

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<v Speaker 1>of events that they have to follow in order to

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<v Speaker 1>get a certain outcome. But I wonder how much of

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<v Speaker 1>it is actually known to the players involved, especially politicians,

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<v Speaker 1>people at lower levels. It works together too well at times,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems for it to be playing and buy humans

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<v Speaker 1>in a sense, what do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>I know what you mean? So, so I honestly feel

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<v Speaker 2>it's a culmination of things. It very well could be.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things I would I would say in

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<v Speaker 2>this is we can't discount the work that we've been

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<v Speaker 2>doing in altering the energy and our collective consciousness. So

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<v Speaker 2>one of the big reasons why we're here, at least

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, is we are here through our work

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<v Speaker 2>that we're doing, whether we're doing podcasting, I mean, all

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<v Speaker 2>of us are on our spiritual evolution for the most part.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we're doing the healing, we're doing the inner work,

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing consciousness exploration. We're opening ourselves up to these

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<v Speaker 2>different and bigger layers.

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<v Speaker 3>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's one of the things I like to say.

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<v Speaker 2>You know a lot of people say pierce the veil,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, one of the biggest things I can say,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's more than one veil in this whole, in

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<v Speaker 2>this whole thing, you know, there's many layers to the illusion.

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<v Speaker 2>And as you open yourself up more, you start to

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<v Speaker 2>see these new layers. You start to kind of break

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<v Speaker 2>through into this and you'll get new information, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're here to terraform the frequencies of this planet. We

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<v Speaker 2>are through our spiritual work, and I do think we

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<v Speaker 2>also have a hand in potentially some of the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that's happening as well. You know, one, through our free will,

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<v Speaker 2>we accept a lot of what's going on, we allow

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<v Speaker 2>it to but through terraforming this planet into the higher frequencies,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to set the stage for more of what

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<v Speaker 2>I would call these awakening events to start to occur

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<v Speaker 2>and start to manifest. So I do think we have

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<v Speaker 2>a hand in it. I you know, as far as

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<v Speaker 2>it being too coordinated to be staged, I mean, there

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<v Speaker 2>could very well be an extra dimensional presence that's involved

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of assisting in this the at least in

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion. I mean, what it is or who it is,

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<v Speaker 2>we can speculate all day long. But you know, some

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<v Speaker 2>of it does seem to cut and dry to be staged.

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<v Speaker 2>But then again, you know, you and I were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about on the FKA panel, how you know that whole

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<v Speaker 2>Elon and Trump fight, you know what I mean, how

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<v Speaker 2>they were going off and behind the Steanes pallateer. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, put in that mass surveillance system or the

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<v Speaker 2>mass surveillance program for you know, American citizens, and we

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<v Speaker 2>know that they're working for enemy surveillance. So that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of makes you wonder. So I think it's really it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's a little bit of a culmination of things. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>it's us, you know, the work we're doing here. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>people accepting narratives and ideologies through their own free will,

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<v Speaker 2>and when you have uh, the way these parasit those

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<v Speaker 2>parasitsitic ruling class works. Is when you have enough people

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<v Speaker 2>buy into this ideology, this trend, thought of this narrative,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes it easier for them to manifest it and

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<v Speaker 2>make it come forth. So so really it's to me,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, well, guess everything might be fake and gay.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't get me wrong. You know, like that's that that

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<v Speaker 2>is that is something that is a possibility here. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's not as black and white as maybe everything

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<v Speaker 2>is staged. But I would say, you know, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>borrow a line from a friend of mine. Actually not

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<v Speaker 2>everything is a si oup of most things.

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<v Speaker 1>Right on, let's opinion, No, I gotcha. Let's demystify manifestation

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<v Speaker 1>for a bit, because this is such a popular topic

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<v Speaker 1>and it's dismissed quite often still, people will just dismiss

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<v Speaker 1>it as some kind of woo woo concept that new

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<v Speaker 1>age folks are bringing to the table. But I've experienced

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<v Speaker 1>it way too much. It is too real for me

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<v Speaker 1>to dismiss any of it. And I've heard this from

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<v Speaker 1>many people recently that they are experiencing huge levels of

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<v Speaker 1>manifestation in their lives as well. And I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>our awareness of things may be a trigger of this.

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<v Speaker 1>The collective awareness of things happened in twenty twenty, the

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<v Speaker 1>series of events that followed, and this quote unquote awakening

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<v Speaker 1>in general maybe having an effect on our ability to

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<v Speaker 1>manifest things. I can look at things in my own

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<v Speaker 1>life all day long and be amazed. But I can

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<v Speaker 1>also look at things in other people's lives that are

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<v Speaker 1>starting to come to the forefront, especially when they put

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<v Speaker 1>creative effort into it, especially when they put conscious effort

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<v Speaker 1>into what they're trying to manifest. It is so powerful

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<v Speaker 1>right now. It seems that this is a very powerful

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<v Speaker 1>time to start attempting to manifest things. And I was

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<v Speaker 1>I was telling Jennifer a joke that even Corey has

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<v Speaker 1>manifested so much. Look how many people are wary of

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<v Speaker 1>the Jews.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I'm sure he's I'm sure he's loving that. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure he's loving that honestly. Man, But no, I have

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<v Speaker 2>to be careful because you know, you know everybody, because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, since Israel past that thing where you can't

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<v Speaker 2>criticize it, I have to now call it the uh

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<v Speaker 2>the small country in the eastern Mediterranean if I want

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<v Speaker 2>to start questioning it. But uh, but really, man, demystifying manifestation.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. So this is the biggest thing is there's

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<v Speaker 2>so much proof and evidence out there for it, especially

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<v Speaker 2>in in what we would call the consensual science world.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh that you know, people just aren't looking for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think honestly, they're they're it's it's a fight within themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to to maybe accept or maybe they're not

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<v Speaker 2>accepting this potential what we would call this magical aspect

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<v Speaker 2>of this reality. And it really comes down to the ego,

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<v Speaker 2>preconceived notions man and subconscious and conscious conditioning that we've

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<v Speaker 2>experienced since we were birth into this planetary existence. And

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<v Speaker 2>really the best way I can demystify it for those

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<v Speaker 2>who are like really on the fence or those who

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<v Speaker 2>really want a lot of evidence. I know I've probably

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<v Speaker 2>this ad nauseum on your show, but I mean, for

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<v Speaker 2>Fox's sake, quantum physics pan psychism, the theory of pan

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<v Speaker 2>psychism in quantum physics, Okay, guys, if mainstream physicists are

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<v Speaker 2>talking about this, okay, you know, for the people who

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<v Speaker 2>need the hard evidence, you know, who want to see

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<v Speaker 2>the studies and they want to see the theories. If

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<v Speaker 2>quantum physics has a theory called pan psychism, where consciousness

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<v Speaker 2>is the prima materia of this existence. Okay, everything stems

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<v Speaker 2>from consciousness. You know, the wave function the universe has

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<v Speaker 2>to be observed in order to exist. Okay, So for

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<v Speaker 2>the people who really want heard evidence on this, go

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<v Speaker 2>look at the theory of panpsychism. Go look at the

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<v Speaker 2>experience experiments on consciousness. Okay, there's plenty of them. I mean, shoot,

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<v Speaker 2>correct me if I'm wrong on the date. I know

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<v Speaker 2>there was a Geneva convention. It was either in the

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<v Speaker 2>earlier the late forties, where Tesla Einstein a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the rates actually sat down and they talked about how

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<v Speaker 2>this is strange because when somebody's running a scientific experiment,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on who's observing the experiment will dictate the results

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<v Speaker 2>of the experiment. That seems a little lot. And if

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<v Speaker 2>nobody's observing the experiment, you get a whole different set

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<v Speaker 2>of results. So so I'll digress, and I'll say this

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, there's tons of hard evidence out there

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot of people, even in the scientific field,

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<v Speaker 2>are starting to take in the fact that we might

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<v Speaker 2>be living in a consciousness based reality. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this reality must be consciousness first, and the experience second.

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<v Speaker 2>You need the consciousness in order to have that experience. So,

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<v Speaker 2>with that being said, if we do live in a

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<v Speaker 2>your mental faculties are going to interact and actually be

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<v Speaker 2>a set of tools when it comes to your perceived

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<v Speaker 2>physical experience or perceived external experience. Right. So we know

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<v Speaker 2>that energy goes, where the energy goes, where the focus goes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's something we talk about in the spiritual community a

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<v Speaker 2>lot and on our spiritual evolution, all right, And this

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<v Speaker 2>is all how manifestation works, plain and simple. We live

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<v Speaker 2>in a consciousness based reality. Your mental faculties interact with

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<v Speaker 2>your perceived external experience. Your perspective of your experience is

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<v Speaker 2>going to dictate the outcome that you have in set experience. So,

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<v Speaker 2>if you are keeping yourself in a positive mind state,

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<v Speaker 2>right and you are in taking good content, you want

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<v Speaker 2>to manifest a joyful, abundant life for yourself. The first

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<v Speaker 2>thing you need to do is you need to have

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<v Speaker 2>a positive mindset. And this also boils down even to

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<v Speaker 2>the ancient Vedic traditions and the ancient Vedic sciences. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the number one thing for staying healthy forever. An ancient

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<v Speaker 2>Vada science is having a positive mindset. So these three

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<v Speaker 2>things are like a trifecta. We understand a consciousness premium

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<v Speaker 2>materia of this reality, our mental faculties interact with our

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<v Speaker 2>perceived physical experience, and our perspective is going to ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>And so when you put these three things together, you

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<v Speaker 2>have the power and the ability to manifest I mean

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<v Speaker 2>you can just look at this right here. And then

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<v Speaker 2>even another thing too, I kind of bring up in

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<v Speaker 2>this for all the people who think this is woo woo,

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<v Speaker 2>just look at the place ebo and the no sebo effects. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And these are the two biggest hardest pieces of evidence

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<v Speaker 2>that are available to us. There's tons of studies on them,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, tons of evidence when it comes to them

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<v Speaker 2>that we either have the ability to heal or harm ourselves, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>based on our perspective when it comes to a medical situation. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So this is kind of an example of manifestation right there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean, You're manifesting a positive outcome

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<v Speaker 2>from a medic situation based on your perspective, or you're

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<v Speaker 2>manifesting a negative outcome in a medical situation based on

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<v Speaker 2>your perspective. So I mean again again, you know and

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<v Speaker 2>also too, so how would you manifest? And this is

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is a tried and true method. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a basic one. It's actually a very old one. It

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<v Speaker 2>goes back for a very long time. And of course

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people have their different ones. I have

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<v Speaker 2>different ones I utilize. But the the head, heart and hands,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very very simple method. Man. You know, you think

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<v Speaker 2>about what you want in your mind and then you

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<v Speaker 2>bring your heart into that alignment. You feel with your

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<v Speaker 2>heart that you truly want this. Because here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>The universe, slash, the divine is. It wants to help

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<v Speaker 2>you succeed. It wants you to be happy. It wants

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<v Speaker 2>you to trust it. That is the number one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh and then you're the third part. Your hands.

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<v Speaker 2>Now your hands. It can be literal hands if you

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<v Speaker 2>need to build it, you need to work to get there,

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<v Speaker 2>or it can be metaphorical. You know, it can be

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<v Speaker 2>figurative with your hands. You know, there's more ways to

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<v Speaker 2>use the hands than just in a physical context. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is a tried and true method. And I guarantee

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<v Speaker 2>you if you develop the understanding that this is a

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<v Speaker 2>consciousness based reality, your mental faculties interact with your perceived

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<v Speaker 2>external experience. You keep a positive perspective, and you keep

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<v Speaker 2>yourself in that head, heart and hands alignment, You're going

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<v Speaker 2>to manifest whatever you want. And I think, really, what

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people get into it is there's this

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<v Speaker 2>deception going around with instant manifestation. Now, is instant manifestation possible? Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it is. I've done it a couple of times on accident.

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<v Speaker 2>I have not mastered it, you know, or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing about manifestation is it takes focus and energy.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to put that focus and that energy into

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<v Speaker 2>what you're trying to manifest. I mean great examples. When

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<v Speaker 2>I started the show, I started reaching out to everybody

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<v Speaker 2>I could shoot. I even reached out to people who

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<v Speaker 2>I know would not accept coming on the show because

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<v Speaker 2>I had like two three followers at the time. But

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<v Speaker 2>I still put out all of my energy and all

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<v Speaker 2>of my focus into building this and look at where

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<v Speaker 2>it is today. So it is, and I think people

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<v Speaker 2>it's that instant gratification Chris, like they you know, even

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to manifestation here in the third density,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have a little bit of a delay. It

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<v Speaker 2>just is what it is. We have a delay here.

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<v Speaker 2>So that would be my way to demystifying manifestation, Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's a lot of I mean, dude, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>we're now at the plethora of evidence and theories showcasing

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<v Speaker 2>that we are in a consciousness based reality, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>all there. It's in Scientific American Science, it's in the

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<v Speaker 2>scientific journal Scientific American, it's in the scientific journal Nature,

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<v Speaker 2>every kind of hard source. Anybody wants to see, it's there.

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<v Speaker 2>They just need to look for it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's obviously a collective change that's occurred in society around

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<v Speaker 1>the planet after the events of twenty twenty. Folks like

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<v Speaker 1>yourself and I that have eyes to see can look

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<v Speaker 1>back at everything and say, conflict and collective trauma has

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<v Speaker 1>essentially caused an awakening in most people. We talked before

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<v Speaker 1>about how there may be this greater force that is

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<v Speaker 1>attempting a now chemical transformation of humanity, and the only

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<v Speaker 1>way that that can occur is collective trauma, putting us

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<v Speaker 1>through these conflicts and forcing growth from our consciousness because

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<v Speaker 1>it seems that for the longest time we were comfortable,

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<v Speaker 1>there was nothing like COVID. There was nothing like what

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<v Speaker 1>we're experiencing now, at least in our lifetimes. We have

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<v Speaker 1>this massive shakeup and people start to become a air

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<v Speaker 1>of things and everything starts to change. That again, is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the greater questions. Was this the cause of

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<v Speaker 1>some greater force? Was it the collective consciousness? Do the

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<v Speaker 1>parasitic ruling class have any idea what they've started and

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<v Speaker 1>the ramifications of everything. It's actually many questions, but it

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be all connected.

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<v Speaker 2>I would completely agree. Man. So here's the thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is the thing I've learned in the now shoot

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<v Speaker 2>almost now, going on eighteen years of my spiritual evolution.

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<v Speaker 2>Trauma and intensely emotional situations equal spiritual alchemy. Now we

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<v Speaker 2>look at the subjective experience that we have and the

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<v Speaker 2>healing that we do. You know a lot of us

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<v Speaker 2>who you know who are on our spiritual evolutions. We've

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<v Speaker 2>we've we've gone through some of the darkest depths that

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<v Speaker 2>this existence has to offer. Man, you know, we've been

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<v Speaker 2>we've been through some of the darkest things, the darkest situations.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, shit, I spent time in jail. I almost

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<v Speaker 2>I can't tell you how many people I talk to

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<v Speaker 2>who are on their spiritual evolution that they've been through

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<v Speaker 2>the deepest, darkest moundy as depths that this existence has

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<v Speaker 2>to offer. But look at what those depths did to them.

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<v Speaker 2>It transformed them, It pushed them towards the light. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I talk about a lot of my shows

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<v Speaker 2>the reciprocative relationship between Lucifer and Christ. You know, when

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<v Speaker 2>you look at Lucifer as the tester of humanity, he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to test us and he wants to put us

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<v Speaker 2>through trials. And you know, we as humanity, we go

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<v Speaker 2>through these tests, in these trials, and we get compressed,

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<v Speaker 2>we get spread thin, wow, you know, we get trauma.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we are almost through these difficult times. We

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<v Speaker 2>are forged into this awakened state, and then we look

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<v Speaker 2>towards the light. We start to look towards the divine

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<v Speaker 2>and some people say it's Christ if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>call it that or whatever it is. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 2>get pushed there, and we're even talking about on a

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<v Speaker 2>subjective level. Now, you know, the thing about humans is

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<v Speaker 2>this is how we learn, This is how we grow.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to face obstacles, we have to face struggles.

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<v Speaker 2>And I even brought up this philosophical question. Now, let's say,

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<v Speaker 2>to say this. The first thing is, well, in the

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual realms, it can be that way, but no, we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about here in the physical realms, the human experience.

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<v Speaker 2>If you were born into peace and all you ever

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<v Speaker 2>knew was peace and bliss, could you even learn or

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<v Speaker 2>even grasp the concept of appreciating it? Could you and that?

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<v Speaker 2>And that is actually one of the biggest thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a philosophical question that I asked, because if you're born

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<v Speaker 2>nothing else, you know by you know, you can't truly

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<v Speaker 2>grasp what it means to appreciate, you can't true grasp

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<v Speaker 2>what it means to grow. So so that's why this

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<v Speaker 2>is the way humanity learns, you know, they they we

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<v Speaker 2>through going through struggles. This is what causes that, not

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<v Speaker 2>just subjective spiritual alchemy, but also the collective spiritual alchemy.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't get me wrong, I did the parasite class have

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<v Speaker 2>a hand in it? I mean yeah, I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there there's a you know, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest things we understand on our spiritual evolution, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is still a tough pill for a lot of our

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<v Speaker 2>conscious collective to swallow, is both sides of the polarity

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<v Speaker 2>spectrum ultimately service creation.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when.

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<v Speaker 2>the divine, the all is mind, Okay, it is non dualistic,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, And and you know, we I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>in our community, we still still a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>try to compartmentalize things into the two boxes absolute good

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<v Speaker 2>or absolute evil, and ultimately what they're still failing to

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<v Speaker 2>realize is that both these boxes service the divine, they

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<v Speaker 2>service the universe, they service the creation. It's part of

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<v Speaker 2>the human whether it's an experiment and experience whatever we're

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<v Speaker 2>facing down here. And I know, I know there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people who are like, well, you know, what

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<v Speaker 2>about the children, And I understand that, but that that's

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<v Speaker 2>also you know that catalyzed your awakening? Did it not

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<v Speaker 2>once you've found out about that negative thing that existed.

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<v Speaker 2>You woke up and you started to learn, did you not.

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<v Speaker 2>So in that sense, even though it is not a

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<v Speaker 2>great thing that's happening in that case, I don't condone

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<v Speaker 2>it at all. It ultimately contributed it to the growth

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<v Speaker 2>of this, you know, because now they want to we

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<v Speaker 2>want to put a stop now that now that we're

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<v Speaker 2>aware of it, we can put a stop to it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and so like, and that's why I think, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>like you're saying, you know, yes, there's a greater forest

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<v Speaker 2>play here, most definitely, and I think it co opts

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<v Speaker 2>both sides of the polarity spectrum, from what we would

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<v Speaker 2>call the light and what we would call the dark,

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<v Speaker 2>to work together to cause this collective spiritual alchemy that

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<v Speaker 2>we're undergoing. That's exactly what I do think is happening.

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<v Speaker 1>It's such a special time and like I was saying earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>get out there and create and bring something to the table, because,

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<v Speaker 1>as I say all the time, each and every one

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<v Speaker 1>of us has that one thing to offer the rest

419
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<v Speaker 1>of the planet, the one useful thing that we can do,

420
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<v Speaker 1>or many useful things. But everybody, I believe has at

421
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<v Speaker 1>least that one special thing that they can bring to

422
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<v Speaker 1>the table. But I want to hear your recent experience

423
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<v Speaker 1>with mister Toad's wild ride. First of all, for those

424
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<v Speaker 1>that may not be familiar, tell us about this compound.

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<v Speaker 2>So, guys, buffo, I'll so, I know a lot of

426
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<v Speaker 2>you out there have probably heard of mushrooms which have

427
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<v Speaker 2>actually psilocybin. The technical molecular name for psilocybin is four

428
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<v Speaker 2>h O d m T. Sounds familiar, you guys. A

429
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<v Speaker 2>lot of you have heard of d MT out there. So,

430
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<v Speaker 2>and then we have regular d MT, uh, you know,

431
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<v Speaker 2>which is very familiar. Of course, you know, Joe Rogan

432
00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:28.200
<v Speaker 2>has popularized it. A few other people have popularized, uh,

433
00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:30.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, the use of d MT to achieve altered

434
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<v Speaker 2>states of consciousness. But there is another compound that is

435
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<v Speaker 2>kind of trumps them all, you know, and that is

436
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<v Speaker 2>five m e oh d m T trump DMT five

437
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<v Speaker 2>and trump did the enlightened don But but uh, but

438
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<v Speaker 2>what was I gonna say?

439
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<v Speaker 3>But no?

440
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<v Speaker 2>And five M O d MT. We do produce it

441
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<v Speaker 2>in our bodies like d MT uh, but just not

442
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<v Speaker 2>in as large amounts as we produce in dogenous n

443
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<v Speaker 2>M d MT, and it actually found it's found in

444
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<v Speaker 2>ayahasca and trace amounts. You know, a lot of the

445
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:08.720
<v Speaker 2>mimosa plants and mosastillis and the other plants they put

446
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<v Speaker 2>into the ayahasca brew have trace amounts of five meo

447
00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:16.720
<v Speaker 2>d MT. And then you have Yopo seeds, the yopo

448
00:26:16.839 --> 00:26:19.839
<v Speaker 2>the shamanic snuff from the Amazon, and those seeds are

449
00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:25.160
<v Speaker 2>actually a combination of regular NMD d MT, five meo

450
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:28.480
<v Speaker 2>d MT and buffotinine, which is actually another form of

451
00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:32.000
<v Speaker 2>d MT. It's a lesser known form, but the buffo

452
00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:37.279
<v Speaker 2>al varius frog is actually one of the best sources

453
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<v Speaker 2>to get pure straight five me eo d MT. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I remember it was always funny, Chris, because

455
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<v Speaker 2>when I had the experience, I'll just say this up front,

456
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:52.640
<v Speaker 2>it felt like every psychedelic experience I had had before

457
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:56.519
<v Speaker 2>that was training me for that moment. That was it

458
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<v Speaker 2>was a weird sense of deja voo going into it.

459
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<v Speaker 2>And you know my opinion on this compound before I

460
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:05.759
<v Speaker 2>ever did it, because I write up on it, and

461
00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:09.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, I read a few experience reports and things

462
00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:13.319
<v Speaker 2>like that, just seeing how profoundly powerful it is. You know,

463
00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:15.599
<v Speaker 2>I decided that I would not seek it and I

464
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<v Speaker 2>would let it find me when the time is right.

465
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<v Speaker 2>That was kind of my mentality on it, because I

466
00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:23.599
<v Speaker 2>was I could see from the get go it was

467
00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:27.680
<v Speaker 2>just such a sacred, spiritual experience. I wanted to make

468
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:32.240
<v Speaker 2>sure that I was ready to embark on something that

469
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:35.440
<v Speaker 2>sacred and lo and behold, it found me. It found me.

470
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<v Speaker 2>So I have a friend who is a facilitator for

471
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:42.359
<v Speaker 2>the compound, and she is a trained shopman in the compound,

472
00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:45.960
<v Speaker 2>and she came out here. She reached out to me

473
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:49.359
<v Speaker 2>originally six months ago and told me she was coming

474
00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:53.240
<v Speaker 2>out here for psychedelic Science in Denver for maps, and

475
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:55.960
<v Speaker 2>she asked if I wanted to give it a go,

476
00:27:56.319 --> 00:28:01.000
<v Speaker 2>and I said, okay, it found me. It must be

477
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:04.839
<v Speaker 2>meant to be. So I said, sure, I'll start preparing myself.

478
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:06.599
<v Speaker 2>And it was about six months of preparation.

479
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<v Speaker 3>Man.

480
00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:08.519
<v Speaker 2>I did a lot of healing. I did a lot

481
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<v Speaker 2>of shadow work, you know, I did some shadow work

482
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:15.319
<v Speaker 2>Kundalini Koreas to kind of get my subtle body ready

483
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:19.079
<v Speaker 2>for the experience and you know, we last Sunday we

484
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:22.720
<v Speaker 2>drove out to lock loanmand here in Colorado found a

485
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:26.319
<v Speaker 2>fresh spot in the woods and which was really cool.

486
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:28.400
<v Speaker 2>We like sat in a little portal. We were surrounded

487
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:30.519
<v Speaker 2>by trees with this open area where the sun was

488
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:32.400
<v Speaker 2>beating down and had a built in altar. It was

489
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:36.920
<v Speaker 2>super cool and it was perfect. And so basically, the

490
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<v Speaker 2>one thing I will say about this compound is the

491
00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:43.519
<v Speaker 2>ceremony of it adds to it for sure. The blessings,

492
00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:47.640
<v Speaker 2>the indigenous prayers, you know, the clearing of the space

493
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:51.599
<v Speaker 2>definitely sets the tone for it. So that's why I would, honestly,

494
00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:53.440
<v Speaker 2>if you're gonna try this compound, I recommend you doing

495
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:56.319
<v Speaker 2>it in a ceremonial setting. Absolutely. I don't care how

496
00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:58.680
<v Speaker 2>experienced you are with psychedelics, because what I'm about to

497
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:01.279
<v Speaker 2>tell you, you're gonna want to be in a cool

498
00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:04.559
<v Speaker 2>setting for this. And so basically how it went down

499
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:08.519
<v Speaker 2>is I had three doses. I had three doses total,

500
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:13.160
<v Speaker 2>each dose thirty milligrams, so ninety milligrams total for the

501
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:16.240
<v Speaker 2>whole experience. And it was.

502
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:22.119
<v Speaker 1>How are you how are you taking? Are you ingesting?

503
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:28.119
<v Speaker 2>You're actually you're vaping it out. So basically what you do.

504
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:31.359
<v Speaker 2>What you do is you do this breath work beforehand

505
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:34.640
<v Speaker 2>to relax your vagus nerve and your parasympathetic nervous system.

506
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:38.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of like a and you do ten

507
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:42.119
<v Speaker 2>of these breaths right and at the tenth breath, she

508
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:44.839
<v Speaker 2>holds the vapor up to you and she starts to

509
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:49.160
<v Speaker 2>light it, and then you start to inhale it very slowly,

510
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:51.759
<v Speaker 2>like slower than you would take a long hit, slower

511
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:53.680
<v Speaker 2>than you would smoke any inhale any kind of smoke.

512
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:57.319
<v Speaker 2>You have to inhale it very slowly, and she counts

513
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:02.000
<v Speaker 2>to twenty as you inhale, and then after the twentieth

514
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:04.680
<v Speaker 2>twentieth us second, she says, pull, pull, pull the rest

515
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:06.599
<v Speaker 2>and you'll hold it in. You'll hold your nose and

516
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:09.279
<v Speaker 2>you got to hold it in for ten seconds and

517
00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:11.920
<v Speaker 2>then you'll drop back onto the pillow and you'll get

518
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:17.359
<v Speaker 2>cascaded into the experience. So funny enough, my first dose,

519
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:21.319
<v Speaker 2>I was ten seconds in before I already started feeling it,

520
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:22.960
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh my goodness. I was like,

521
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:25.079
<v Speaker 2>am I even gonna make it to the twenty seconds?

522
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:27.559
<v Speaker 2>So I just pushed it. I pushed, and I pushed

523
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.359
<v Speaker 2>and I pushed, and then I took the final pull,

524
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:33.279
<v Speaker 2>and I held my nose and I laid back onto

525
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:36.920
<v Speaker 2>the pillow. And this was the experience of the first dose.

526
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:43.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if there's a way to describe being peacefully, delicately,

527
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:48.200
<v Speaker 2>gently and tactfully disassembled and obliterated by the divine Source,

528
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:53.519
<v Speaker 2>but that's probably the best way that I can describe it.

529
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:57.359
<v Speaker 2>The person who was Stephen was no more, My attachments

530
00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:02.880
<v Speaker 2>were no more, the memory of my human existence were

531
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:09.440
<v Speaker 2>no more, and I was a pure source being and

532
00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:16.759
<v Speaker 2>I merged with source consciousness. And I had the perspective

533
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:23.079
<v Speaker 2>as if I was source consciousness, which is very hard

534
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>to explain. I can try to put it into words,

535
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:29.640
<v Speaker 2>but I was literally the all his mind. I was

536
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.559
<v Speaker 2>the all his mind. There was nothing else but me,

537
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:40.079
<v Speaker 2>the all his mind. And it was so profoundly beautiful,

538
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:43.279
<v Speaker 2>terrifying and beautiful at the same time. That's kind of

539
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:45.960
<v Speaker 2>the best way I can describe it, because even though

540
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:49.640
<v Speaker 2>it was gentle and delicate, I was completely seared off

541
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:55.079
<v Speaker 2>my human identity, was completely seared off of my true nature,

542
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.240
<v Speaker 2>like in just the almost the flash of an instant,

543
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:01.480
<v Speaker 2>and I was sitting there as the all is mind,

544
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:03.720
<v Speaker 2>and I started. What was really crazy is I actually

545
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:06.240
<v Speaker 2>got a almost like a play by play because we

546
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:11.160
<v Speaker 2>were talking about manifestation earlier, about how manifestation works, and

547
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:13.759
<v Speaker 2>I saw how I was sitting there and I would

548
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:18.200
<v Speaker 2>have this thought form of something, and then this thought

549
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:23.200
<v Speaker 2>form turned into this energy and it like swirke through me,

550
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:26.640
<v Speaker 2>and then it's the energy from that swirl started to

551
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:31.079
<v Speaker 2>move out into my field that was around me, and

552
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:35.519
<v Speaker 2>it started to pick up other pieces of energy and

553
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:38.799
<v Speaker 2>it started to grow. So that was almost like a

554
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:41.359
<v Speaker 2>I was getting like a play by play on how

555
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:47.079
<v Speaker 2>manifestation works. And at this point, you know, because the experience,

556
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:49.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, off of one dose is only ten to

557
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:52.759
<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes, I start to feel myself slipping back. So

558
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:56.160
<v Speaker 2>we have a symbol for more medicine. If you're in

559
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:58.920
<v Speaker 2>the experience and you want to take another another dose

560
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:01.200
<v Speaker 2>of the medicine, you got to go like this. So

561
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:05.200
<v Speaker 2>I feel the experience starting to kind of like slightly

562
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:07.119
<v Speaker 2>wind down, and I was like, no, I want to

563
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.400
<v Speaker 2>stay here, So I immediately just freaking went like this,

564
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:14.960
<v Speaker 2>and uh so then I I repeated the thing. You know,

565
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have to do the breath work that time,

566
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:19.319
<v Speaker 2>but I had to do the twenty second long inhale hold,

567
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:24.880
<v Speaker 2>sit back, and then the second dose actually propelled me

568
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:29.279
<v Speaker 2>into the white luminous light at that point, and I

569
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:34.960
<v Speaker 2>was in the light, and even though I was experiencing

570
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:40.559
<v Speaker 2>being source consciousness, I was the always mind. There was

571
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:44.799
<v Speaker 2>still the perspective of Stephen that was with me, but

572
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:49.319
<v Speaker 2>it was like almost like secondary And then I was

573
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:53.359
<v Speaker 2>almost coaching myself. It was so strange, like I was

574
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:57.720
<v Speaker 2>like coaching myself from like me being all his mind

575
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:03.200
<v Speaker 2>talking to the perspective of And I started getting these

576
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:07.480
<v Speaker 2>flashes of my life. And I started getting these flashes

577
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.360
<v Speaker 2>of my life from the time I was a child.

578
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:12.920
<v Speaker 2>There was a flash of me and my little brother

579
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.440
<v Speaker 2>playing out in the front lawn of like the very

580
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.800
<v Speaker 2>first house I can ever remember. That I lived in

581
00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:25.239
<v Speaker 2>many different interesting events, and the source consciousness part of

582
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:28.400
<v Speaker 2>me looked at Stephen and said, well, yes, you have

583
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.679
<v Speaker 2>a job to do here. Don't forget to truly enjoy

584
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:35.719
<v Speaker 2>and cherish this beautiful experience you're undergoing. Do you know

585
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:40.519
<v Speaker 2>what I think is the most important. It's not who

586
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:45.519
<v Speaker 2>hears you, It's not you know who knows you it's

587
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:49.480
<v Speaker 2>how you make people feel, the way you make them smile,

588
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:54.000
<v Speaker 2>the memory they carry with you, they carry of you

589
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:57.840
<v Speaker 2>with them, you know, the way you might have made

590
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:03.480
<v Speaker 2>somebody's day, you know, leading by example, the courage, the bravery.

591
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:08.559
<v Speaker 2>That's what I find most important, and you should hold

592
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:13.199
<v Speaker 2>that most important also. And I remember like it was

593
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:17.440
<v Speaker 2>almost like it was because I was Source, but I'm

594
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:20.519
<v Speaker 2>talking to the protective perspective that Steven, which is it

595
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:22.199
<v Speaker 2>was just the most bizarre thing in the world. It

596
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:24.440
<v Speaker 2>was It's like, that's the best way I can describe it.

597
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:30.079
<v Speaker 2>It was nuts, and I mean and then you know again,

598
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I started to feel the experience pull back, like it

599
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:37.079
<v Speaker 2>was I was starting to like come back. The ego

600
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:40.079
<v Speaker 2>was starting to come back in. And immediately I was

601
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:44.079
<v Speaker 2>like nope, and I did the handsa. I was like,

602
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:47.280
<v Speaker 2>I need I'm not done here. We have some more

603
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:49.880
<v Speaker 2>things to do. So I leaned over and I took

604
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.679
<v Speaker 2>the other hit and then this time this was the

605
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:58.559
<v Speaker 2>most powerful dose. So I was thrown back into the light.

606
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:03.239
<v Speaker 2>And the best way I can describe it is source

607
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:08.400
<v Speaker 2>consciousness took its hand and like if it had a hand,

608
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:10.119
<v Speaker 2>this is just the best way I could describe it

609
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:13.599
<v Speaker 2>and put it on my chest, and I kid you not, Chris.

610
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:18.440
<v Speaker 2>When this happened, this light started to form within me,

611
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:22.239
<v Speaker 2>and it started to see it like literally burn away

612
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:25.960
<v Speaker 2>all of the pain that I've been through, all of

613
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:30.000
<v Speaker 2>the trauma I've been through, you know a lot of

614
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:33.280
<v Speaker 2>at these aspects of my shadow that normal will no

615
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:36.280
<v Speaker 2>longer serve me anymore at this point in my life

616
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:38.039
<v Speaker 2>that I'm in, because that was one of the intentions

617
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I had going into this experience. And I remember it

618
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:47.519
<v Speaker 2>was so it was like beautifully painful. That's the best

619
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:51.840
<v Speaker 2>way I can describe it. It was beautifully painful. And

620
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:56.159
<v Speaker 2>I just started manically and hysterically crying like a baby

621
00:36:56.440 --> 00:37:00.199
<v Speaker 2>while it started going down, because it was like it

622
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:03.800
<v Speaker 2>is like it was searing away that the pain, just

623
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:05.840
<v Speaker 2>like everything I had been through, like and it was

624
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:09.000
<v Speaker 2>searing away these aspects. I'm not even going to go

625
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<v Speaker 2>in the lines to say it's reformatted my ego a

626
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.239
<v Speaker 2>little bit too. I think that was part of that

627
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:19.159
<v Speaker 2>experience too, when the light started just glowing within me,

628
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:25.519
<v Speaker 2>and it was it was so amazing. And then then

629
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<v Speaker 2>this happened, so I was greeted by my higher self

630
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<v Speaker 2>and I was looking at this being, This very tall

631
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:46.039
<v Speaker 2>being had wings, had a very fiery aura, and we

632
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.320
<v Speaker 2>looked at each other and it said to me, you

633
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:54.719
<v Speaker 2>remember now, don't you? And I said, yeah, I do.

634
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:59.679
<v Speaker 2>And then we merged, and that's the best way I

635
00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:04.480
<v Speaker 2>can describe it. We merged. And after we merged, that

636
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:09.840
<v Speaker 2>was my last dose, and I started coming back. And

637
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:12.800
<v Speaker 2>the craziest thing, man, when I came back, I opened

638
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:18.159
<v Speaker 2>my eyes and I saw the sun and it was

639
00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:21.559
<v Speaker 2>literally like the first time I had ever laid eyes

640
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:25.599
<v Speaker 2>on it. And I remember I was looking at the sun,

641
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:27.719
<v Speaker 2>and I was looking up at the clouds and I

642
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:31.920
<v Speaker 2>was seeing them swirl, and it was like the first

643
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:34.880
<v Speaker 2>time I had ever laid eyes on the clouds. And

644
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.000
<v Speaker 2>then I like, get up and I start to look around,

645
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:39.559
<v Speaker 2>and I see these trees just surrounding me that were

646
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:42.719
<v Speaker 2>just so green, greener than any other tree I had

647
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:46.119
<v Speaker 2>ever seen. They seemed even different from the trees that

648
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:49.079
<v Speaker 2>I just literally saw before the experience, the same trees,

649
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.639
<v Speaker 2>but they seemed different. They were brighter, greener. And I

650
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.119
<v Speaker 2>remember I looked down and there was this little tiny

651
00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:57.079
<v Speaker 2>plant next to the mat where I was laying on it,

652
00:38:57.079 --> 00:38:58.639
<v Speaker 2>and I just like went and I held it in

653
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:02.599
<v Speaker 2>my hands and I started crying like a baby dude,

654
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:06.559
<v Speaker 2>because I was like, it was almost as if I

655
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:11.639
<v Speaker 2>was reborn. It was almost freaking as if I was reborn.

656
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:14.119
<v Speaker 2>I was born into this new set of eyes I

657
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:18.840
<v Speaker 2>was born into. You know, my ego was reformatted. I

658
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:21.800
<v Speaker 2>got freaking I merged with Source. I experienced what it

659
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:25.400
<v Speaker 2>was like to be Source. Okay, you know this is

660
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:30.280
<v Speaker 2>this was pivotally life changing for me. And I remember

661
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:33.199
<v Speaker 2>as I'm like, you know, sitting there and coming back,

662
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:36.559
<v Speaker 2>I just could just say to myself, this is going

663
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:40.159
<v Speaker 2>to change everything. This is going to change everything. This was,

664
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:43.280
<v Speaker 2>this was beyond and I'm going to tell you this.

665
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:48.599
<v Speaker 2>It has. It has changed everything. I'm have yet to

666
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:54.519
<v Speaker 2>understand the magnitude of how much it has changed. It's reappearing,

667
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:58.400
<v Speaker 2>it's showcasing itself every day as every day goes on

668
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.400
<v Speaker 2>beyond the experience. And the one thing I found out

669
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:04.960
<v Speaker 2>about this stuff on accident was it's going to make

670
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.639
<v Speaker 2>you more sensitive to other psychedelics. Because I took a

671
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:12.360
<v Speaker 2>microdose before work on Tuesday, just three hundred and fifty

672
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:15.800
<v Speaker 2>milligrams about bino penis envy and I'm at work and

673
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:19.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I weighed that out. I looked at it.

674
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:21.880
<v Speaker 2>That was three hundred and fifty milligrams. I was like,

675
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:24.679
<v Speaker 2>this is like I took like half a gram or

676
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:28.159
<v Speaker 2>like almost zero point six grams. So this is something

677
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.280
<v Speaker 2>that you know, I want to warn people about too

678
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:32.800
<v Speaker 2>who go to the experience. It's going to give you

679
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:37.960
<v Speaker 2>a weird cross tolerance to other psychedelic compounds. And the

680
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<v Speaker 2>number one thing I took from it, and this was

681
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<v Speaker 2>the number one message you know that I took from

682
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<v Speaker 2>the whole experience, Chris.

683
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:46.480
<v Speaker 3>Was.

684
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<v Speaker 2>Love is everything. Love is not just an emotion. It

685
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:58.000
<v Speaker 2>is a force, and it is a power. And if

686
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:03.679
<v Speaker 2>we are to harness this divine love, fully channel it

687
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:08.159
<v Speaker 2>into the avatars that we currently are, and master it

688
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:12.559
<v Speaker 2>and impart it into every facet of this reality, it

689
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:16.800
<v Speaker 2>would be the literal kill shot for this illusionary reality

690
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:20.440
<v Speaker 2>the parasite class has placed on us. It would be

691
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:23.599
<v Speaker 2>the literal kill shot. You know, I think, you know,

692
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.440
<v Speaker 2>when we look for the solutions to the issues you

693
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.800
<v Speaker 2>know that we currently face as humanity here, we're we're

694
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.719
<v Speaker 2>so obsessed with the external, We're so obsessed with you know,

695
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:36.519
<v Speaker 2>what can we do to change the government. You're not

696
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:38.880
<v Speaker 2>going to change this government, man, you know, like for

697
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:42.079
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to change it, dude, Like you know,

698
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:44.559
<v Speaker 2>it's beating a horse dead. You're not going to change

699
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:47.639
<v Speaker 2>the government, okay, Like you know, like you know, focusing

700
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:51.920
<v Speaker 2>on conspiracies and just merely on only on conspiracies like

701
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:54.000
<v Speaker 2>that's fine and dandy. I know that helped you wake up,

702
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:56.559
<v Speaker 2>but you've got to move past going to lead to

703
00:41:56.639 --> 00:42:01.360
<v Speaker 2>madness and dude, it is people being black pilled. And

704
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:03.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, the ultimate way if we want to kill

705
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:07.039
<v Speaker 2>shot this and we want to kill shot this illusionary

706
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:09.880
<v Speaker 2>matrix reality that we're stuck in, we need to each

707
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:12.559
<v Speaker 2>and every one of us who has the divine spark

708
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:14.639
<v Speaker 2>within them don't how to channel that divine love into

709
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:17.559
<v Speaker 2>us fully and impart it here, and that in and

710
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:20.039
<v Speaker 2>of itself will shatter the Mattrix man. And that is

711
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:24.199
<v Speaker 2>the biggest thing that I took from that experience, right And.

712
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<v Speaker 1>As you very well know, and if you've been listening

713
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:29.920
<v Speaker 1>to this show for any amount of time, I've had

714
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:33.880
<v Speaker 1>some extreme success with psychedelics as well. And I don't

715
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:38.239
<v Speaker 1>condone drug user psychedelics and I'm not saying for anyone

716
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:40.840
<v Speaker 1>to go out and try these substances. This is what

717
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:44.800
<v Speaker 1>worked for my journey, this is what has worked for

718
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Steven's journey and many others. And if you are going

719
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:53.239
<v Speaker 1>to go that route, please be responsible, Please do your research,

720
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:57.199
<v Speaker 1>Please do it respectfully, Please do it in a spiritual setting.

721
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:03.639
<v Speaker 1>But it is such a powerful way to come to

722
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:08.719
<v Speaker 1>these realizations about yourself and these awarenesses and propel your

723
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:13.239
<v Speaker 1>journey in a way that is absolutely indescribable. And that's

724
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:16.199
<v Speaker 1>what I'll say about that. But I also want to

725
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:19.559
<v Speaker 1>hear about what you got going on with your new business.

726
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Tell us all about how this came about.

727
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:25.159
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely one thing. I just want to add to what

728
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:26.840
<v Speaker 2>you said before we hop into that. And I'm going

729
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:29.760
<v Speaker 2>to say this, guys, five meo DMT is not a

730
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:34.000
<v Speaker 2>party drug. None of it. Should do not rave. No, no, dude,

731
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say not, even mutioned dot. Do not go

732
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:39.079
<v Speaker 2>to a festival or a rave and hit five MEO

733
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:43.760
<v Speaker 2>DMT outside of a ceremonial setting. My recommendation is to

734
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:46.800
<v Speaker 2>keep that compound ceremonial and keep it sacred if you're

735
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:49.840
<v Speaker 2>going to experience it. But the business man, so yes,

736
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I you know of course. You know me, man, I've

737
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, been very much into Kundalini yoga for a

738
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:57.840
<v Speaker 2>while now, and uh, you know, my health and my

739
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:01.039
<v Speaker 2>fitness and all that, and uh, you know, I've had

740
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:04.880
<v Speaker 2>enough of just complaining and whining about detesting the nine

741
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 2>to five hamster real lifestyle. So I decided to take action.

742
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:12.280
<v Speaker 2>So I started up a business called Big Body, Mind

743
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:16.079
<v Speaker 2>and Spirit. Now, the reason why it's called BEG Body,

744
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:18.159
<v Speaker 2>Mind and Spirit is this is what we can call

745
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:22.719
<v Speaker 2>a real, true trinity that we experience every day. This

746
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.039
<v Speaker 2>is a trinity that we want in alignment when we

747
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:29.719
<v Speaker 2>have a healthy body. Okay, And you can even attest

748
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:33.239
<v Speaker 2>to this, Chris, getting your health in check increases your

749
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:37.320
<v Speaker 2>spiritual and energetic frequency by default. It just it is

750
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.119
<v Speaker 2>a default process of getting your health in check. So

751
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:42.280
<v Speaker 2>you get your health in a good way and you

752
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:46.159
<v Speaker 2>keep it in a sound place, your spiritual, your mental

753
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:50.199
<v Speaker 2>and your energetic health is going to is going to

754
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:53.719
<v Speaker 2>blossom just by default. And then we have the mind. Okay,

755
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:55.920
<v Speaker 2>you know we operate through our mind. Here we talk

756
00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:59.159
<v Speaker 2>about you know, the all is mind and mental health

757
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.280
<v Speaker 2>is a very pivotal and important thing for us to

758
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:06.599
<v Speaker 2>be happy human beings. So this would be the excuse me.

759
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:11.159
<v Speaker 2>Second part of our trifecta or the trinity is the

760
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:13.800
<v Speaker 2>mental health portion, because we want to have good mental health.

761
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:16.679
<v Speaker 2>We want to have a positive mindset. You know, we

762
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:20.239
<v Speaker 2>want to to you know, love ourselves. We want to

763
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:22.039
<v Speaker 2>love the people we're with, and you know, we want

764
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:23.880
<v Speaker 2>to impart that love on everybody else. And then we

765
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:27.079
<v Speaker 2>have the spirit. You know, we're spiritual beings, and you

766
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:31.280
<v Speaker 2>know what constitutes spiritual health altered states of consciousness, whether

767
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:35.280
<v Speaker 2>it whether it be through antheogens or sober means. There's

768
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:38.039
<v Speaker 2>sober ways to reach altered states of consciousness, and we're

769
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:41.440
<v Speaker 2>going to talk about those next, you know, but altered

770
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:46.719
<v Speaker 2>states of consciousness are really pivotal for spiritual health. You know,

771
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:50.559
<v Speaker 2>it's good to take a break from this dimension, you know,

772
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:53.280
<v Speaker 2>and get out of the third density for a little

773
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:56.440
<v Speaker 2>bit and go into your own little pocket dimension and

774
00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:59.960
<v Speaker 2>freaking you know, get to know yourself on that spiritual levels.

775
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:02.599
<v Speaker 2>So really, when we're talking about this trinity of body, mind,

776
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:07.840
<v Speaker 2>and spirit, these are the three most important factors that

777
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.719
<v Speaker 2>we have here. That's you know, that's the most important

778
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:13.440
<v Speaker 2>to our overall being, this human being.

779
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:13.719
<v Speaker 3>That we are.

780
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:17.320
<v Speaker 2>And so what this business work works with is we

781
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:21.480
<v Speaker 2>have life coaching. We have holistic life coaching, you know.

782
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:23.239
<v Speaker 2>And the one thing I want to tell them about

783
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:25.280
<v Speaker 2>I want to just throw out there to people is this.

784
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:28.039
<v Speaker 2>If you are going to hire a life coach and

785
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.719
<v Speaker 2>you're going to go down that path to help yourself,

786
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:36.440
<v Speaker 2>you must expect honesty. Okay. I cannot do right by

787
00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:41.320
<v Speaker 2>you if you cannot handle the honesty. Okay. So that's

788
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:43.519
<v Speaker 2>just one of the biggest things. Now, don't get me wrong,

789
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:45.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to be an asshole to you. I'm

790
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:47.480
<v Speaker 2>not going to do anything like that. But I'm going

791
00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:51.239
<v Speaker 2>to tell you how it is, because ultimately that's what

792
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:54.880
<v Speaker 2>causes that transformation. Because even just telling someone how it is,

793
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:58.159
<v Speaker 2>even at a polite it causes that emotional tension. It

794
00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:01.840
<v Speaker 2>causes that little bit of spiritual alchemy to occur. And

795
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:03.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, one of the biggest things I talk about

796
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.559
<v Speaker 2>the lessons that I've learned in life, none of them

797
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.440
<v Speaker 2>were ever delivered in a sugarcoated manner, none of them.

798
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:13.880
<v Speaker 2>They were all delivered in a very honest way. And

799
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:17.039
<v Speaker 2>that's what caused me to get to where I am today.

800
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:19.679
<v Speaker 2>So we're going to have life coaching, We're going to

801
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:25.840
<v Speaker 2>have you know, total body, mind, spirit health programs, right

802
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:28.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, we want to address each area of this

803
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:32.079
<v Speaker 2>trinity that we experience. So you know, we want to

804
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:34.159
<v Speaker 2>address the health of the body, we want to address

805
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:36.719
<v Speaker 2>the health of the mind, and we want to address

806
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:39.079
<v Speaker 2>the health of the spirit. So and these plans are

807
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:43.079
<v Speaker 2>going to be tailored and customized to your life where

808
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:48.320
<v Speaker 2>you're at right now. You know what your schedule is, Okay,

809
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:52.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, you are going to get a personalized plan

810
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:56.480
<v Speaker 2>that is made specifically for you. It's not a template

811
00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:59.519
<v Speaker 2>that we're going to use on anybody else. So that's

812
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:01.679
<v Speaker 2>the benefit fit you're going to have of working with me,

813
00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:05.239
<v Speaker 2>is you're going to get something that's designed and personalized

814
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:08.679
<v Speaker 2>strictly for you. Nothing else like it out there. And

815
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:11.000
<v Speaker 2>so that's why I do think this is going to

816
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:13.639
<v Speaker 2>be great for those because you know, I feel a

817
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:15.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of our times, even with life coaching, even with

818
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:19.519
<v Speaker 2>in this health department, we try to utilize a one

819
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:23.599
<v Speaker 2>size fits all method for everybody, you know, and it

820
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:26.480
<v Speaker 2>even happens in the spiritual community and the conscious collective too,

821
00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:28.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, which we try to we try to utilize

822
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:30.079
<v Speaker 2>a one size fits all method, but we know that

823
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:33.360
<v Speaker 2>everybody's different, every being is different. So that's why these

824
00:48:33.400 --> 00:48:37.000
<v Speaker 2>programs will be tailored to your unique factors. They're going

825
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.400
<v Speaker 2>to be tailored to your life, your lifestyle, your schedule,

826
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:42.599
<v Speaker 2>whether you got kids or you don't have kids, whether

827
00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:43.599
<v Speaker 2>you work at nights.

828
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:44.280
<v Speaker 3>Or your work days.

829
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:48.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, this is all taken into account in these programs,

830
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:51.320
<v Speaker 2>you know. And then also what we're going to have too.

831
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:54.280
<v Speaker 2>I talked about altered states of consciousness. We are going

832
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<v Speaker 2>to have Kundalini yoga classes, and we are going to

833
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<v Speaker 2>have breath work classes. And you know these are two

834
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<v Speaker 2>Actually I would feel that, you know, meditation in general

835
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<v Speaker 2>is going to be it sits in the middle of

836
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<v Speaker 2>mental inspirits.

837
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<v Speaker 1>Even are you going to be offering these online?

838
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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I will be offering these online. Yes I will be.

839
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<v Speaker 2>I will be offering these online. We can do online.

840
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:21.000
<v Speaker 2>And I have packages too. You know, if you want

841
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:23.719
<v Speaker 2>the whole package, you know, you want the life coaching,

842
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:25.840
<v Speaker 2>you want four to one on one sessions a month,

843
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:29.559
<v Speaker 2>you want your so we will either do thirty day,

844
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:33.800
<v Speaker 2>sixty day or ninety day tailored plants, you know, depending

845
00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:35.079
<v Speaker 2>on what you're looking for if you just want to

846
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:37.119
<v Speaker 2>try it for thirty days and see if it works

847
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:39.119
<v Speaker 2>for you, we offer that. Or if you if you

848
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:41.039
<v Speaker 2>think you want to be in it for the long haul,

849
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:42.840
<v Speaker 2>this is something you're going to do for a while.

850
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:45.400
<v Speaker 2>I can tailor it even up to a year for

851
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:49.159
<v Speaker 2>you if that's something that you want. And then, but

852
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:51.360
<v Speaker 2>as I was saying, you know in meditation, so Kundalini

853
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:54.440
<v Speaker 2>yoga is a great way to access a sober, altered

854
00:49:54.440 --> 00:50:01.079
<v Speaker 2>state of consciousness. You actually utilize your endogenis DMT in

855
00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:05.920
<v Speaker 2>this practice, and you actually utilize too, your indogenous cannabinoids

856
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:11.119
<v Speaker 2>and through the Cudlina yoga practice. What happens is actually

857
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:14.480
<v Speaker 2>what we do with Kundalini yoga is it's doing a

858
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:18.960
<v Speaker 2>trauma response in a controlled setting. So you are putting

859
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.880
<v Speaker 2>the body through a trauma response, but you yourself are not

860
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:27.480
<v Speaker 2>experiencing trauma. So what this does is it ends up.

861
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:30.440
<v Speaker 2>It causes a somatic response in your body. And that's

862
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:33.480
<v Speaker 2>what psychedelics do too, is they cause a somatic response

863
00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:37.239
<v Speaker 2>in your body, but Kudelini yoga does it without the psychedelics,

864
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:42.039
<v Speaker 2>and it causes you to release and your fascia opens up.

865
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:44.000
<v Speaker 2>And it stretches because we store a lot of our

866
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:47.079
<v Speaker 2>trauma in our fascia and in our vegus nerve, and

867
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:50.360
<v Speaker 2>CUDLINI works on the vegas nerve as well. And ultimately

868
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:53.199
<v Speaker 2>what Kundalini yoga will do once you begin to gain

869
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:57.079
<v Speaker 2>mastery of it, so our cerebral spinal fluid. A lot

870
00:50:57.079 --> 00:50:59.679
<v Speaker 2>of people call it the christ oil, or you know,

871
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:01.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people call it the sacred nectar. Whatever,

872
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.519
<v Speaker 2>there's many different names for it. It actually holds are

873
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:10.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of indogenous DMT and indogenous cannabinoids, and through

874
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:15.199
<v Speaker 2>this practice, you will work that fluid up your spinal

875
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:19.559
<v Speaker 2>cavity into your hypothalamists and in case you don't know

876
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:21.360
<v Speaker 2>the eye of raw, the eye of horus, it's where

877
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:25.159
<v Speaker 2>your pineogland is, your pituitary gland is, you know your HPTA,

878
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:29.159
<v Speaker 2>your hypothalamus, pituitary access, all of that, and you are

879
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:32.599
<v Speaker 2>just sending a boatload of indogenous DMT and a boatload

880
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:36.039
<v Speaker 2>of indogenous cannabinoids right into that cavity in your brain.

881
00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:39.880
<v Speaker 2>No m AOI inhibitor needed or anything like that. So

882
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:43.760
<v Speaker 2>that's that's why I can't talk highly enough about Kundelini

883
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:46.039
<v Speaker 2>yoga but that's also we will be offering classes on

884
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:48.199
<v Speaker 2>how to do it, and we're also going to be

885
00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:53.880
<v Speaker 2>offering breath work. Breathwork is another you know, natural DMT releaser,

886
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:55.800
<v Speaker 2>and in fact, when you're doing it through the hard

887
00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:58.360
<v Speaker 2>breath work and the lungs, you're actually releasing the DMT

888
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:02.239
<v Speaker 2>that's stored in your lung. You know, d MT is

889
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:08.119
<v Speaker 2>produced in many different areas of our body. It's produced

890
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:13.599
<v Speaker 2>in our lungs, our stomach, our our our liver. There's

891
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.840
<v Speaker 2>a few places that it has receptor sites and attachment

892
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:21.519
<v Speaker 2>attachment sites in our body. And you know, breathwork is

893
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.280
<v Speaker 2>also a great way, a great thing for spiritual health.

894
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:27.679
<v Speaker 2>Breathwork also has a somatic response to it. You're putting

895
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:31.519
<v Speaker 2>yourself through a trauma response while not going through trauma,

896
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:37.800
<v Speaker 2>and you're basically building up yourself through these practices, and

897
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:41.119
<v Speaker 2>we're going to offer classes on that. I will be

898
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:45.280
<v Speaker 2>giving dietary advice too, you know, for people who are

899
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:48.199
<v Speaker 2>not sure about what to eat or you know, how

900
00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:50.639
<v Speaker 2>to go about eating. And I mean, the biggest thing

901
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:53.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say, I'm gonna tell everybody is everybody is

902
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:56.239
<v Speaker 2>different when it comes to that. So you know, we'll

903
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:59.039
<v Speaker 2>have to kind of tinker around and figure out what

904
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:02.199
<v Speaker 2>works out for you you but ultimately, this is where

905
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:04.639
<v Speaker 2>my passion lies in life, Chris, This is where my

906
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:08.480
<v Speaker 2>passion lies and helping people heal, helping people be the

907
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:13.119
<v Speaker 2>best version of themselves. You know, you can become the

908
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:15.960
<v Speaker 2>best version of you, the best husband, you could be,

909
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:19.000
<v Speaker 2>the best father, you could be the best family member

910
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:24.159
<v Speaker 2>you could be, you know, and continuously improve and shrive

911
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:28.440
<v Speaker 2>in your day to day life and live your most joyful,

912
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:32.440
<v Speaker 2>abundant timeline. I mean, who doesn't want that? So, you know,

913
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:35.079
<v Speaker 2>So that's why I'm I decided to take this on.

914
00:53:35.480 --> 00:53:38.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't see anybody really doing anything else

915
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:41.880
<v Speaker 2>like this, and you know, I think this is going

916
00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:44.960
<v Speaker 2>to help so many people heal. It's going to help

917
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:47.920
<v Speaker 2>so many people find their greater sense of self. And

918
00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:50.639
<v Speaker 2>it's good to know that you can tap into these

919
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:54.519
<v Speaker 2>heightened and altered states of consciousness without having to take

920
00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:58.360
<v Speaker 2>a compound. You know, you can utilize this. So for

921
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:01.559
<v Speaker 2>even people who want to stay quote unquote drug free,

922
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:05.599
<v Speaker 2>that's okay, you know, you can you can still achieve

923
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:08.920
<v Speaker 2>these states of consciousness through Kundalini yoga or breath work.

924
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:12.840
<v Speaker 2>So and that's what I'm offering, man. I mean the

925
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:15.280
<v Speaker 2>packages kind of go. Like I said, you can have

926
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:19.000
<v Speaker 2>four one on one sessions with me a month. You

927
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:21.320
<v Speaker 2>know you're either thirty, sixty, ninety or however long. You

928
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:24.760
<v Speaker 2>want a total body, mind and spirit health program that

929
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:27.679
<v Speaker 2>gives you three Kundalini classes a week, that gives you

930
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:30.840
<v Speaker 2>two breath work classes a week, and that gives you

931
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:33.880
<v Speaker 2>diet help and advice. That is the total package. Of course,

932
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:35.559
<v Speaker 2>if you want to piece it and you only want

933
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:38.679
<v Speaker 2>to try certain aspects of it as well, you know,

934
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:41.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm completely fine with that. And also too, I do

935
00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:45.000
<v Speaker 2>a two week trial. So for those who are interested

936
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:47.280
<v Speaker 2>in maybe giving it a go, but not sure they

937
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:50.239
<v Speaker 2>want to, you know, one hundred percent put it all

938
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:52.559
<v Speaker 2>in just yet, I can work you up a quick

939
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:56.000
<v Speaker 2>two week program, man, and you know you can. And

940
00:54:56.039 --> 00:55:00.079
<v Speaker 2>that'll include one session with me in those two weeks,

941
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:03.599
<v Speaker 2>and it'll be you know, your own tailored basic body,

942
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:07.679
<v Speaker 2>mind and spirit health program. You'll get one Kundalini yoga class,

943
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:12.159
<v Speaker 2>you'll get one breathwork class out of the trial period.

944
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:13.920
<v Speaker 2>And that's if you're if you if you just want

945
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:16.599
<v Speaker 2>to give it a try and if you feel like

946
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:20.280
<v Speaker 2>it's something that you don't want to do after that

947
00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:23.239
<v Speaker 2>completely fine. There's no contracts man, it's your free will.

948
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:26.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you want to back out, you can. However,

949
00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:29.960
<v Speaker 2>if you want after the two week trial, you want

950
00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:32.119
<v Speaker 2>to go all in and you want it, you want

951
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:34.440
<v Speaker 2>to do this with me, I will cut you a

952
00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:37.519
<v Speaker 2>deal on the packages because you went through that two

953
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:41.400
<v Speaker 2>week trial program and you tested out my program. I

954
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:45.079
<v Speaker 2>will work with you on a on a pricing for

955
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:46.960
<v Speaker 2>whatever package that you would like.

956
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:50.519
<v Speaker 1>Awesome, man, well, this is so great that you're doing this.

957
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:53.559
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, I think this is so important for people.

958
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:59.920
<v Speaker 1>It's such a stepping stone for sovereignty and individuality and

959
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:03.920
<v Speaker 1>creativity and getting to where you want to be. I

960
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:09.039
<v Speaker 1>didn't realize how much spirituality affected the betterment of everything

961
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:12.519
<v Speaker 1>else in my life. It's all connected. And once you

962
00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:19.119
<v Speaker 1>get reconnected with your spiritual side, once you get connected

963
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:23.320
<v Speaker 1>with your higher self and start to become aware, everything

964
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:26.360
<v Speaker 1>can change in your life. And it's amazing that you're

965
00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:29.039
<v Speaker 1>offering this, so thank you for doing that. We'll have

966
00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:31.960
<v Speaker 1>the links so everybody can check out more about you

967
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:34.119
<v Speaker 1>and get in touch with you if they want There's

968
00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:36.400
<v Speaker 1>one more thing I wanted to get your thoughts on

969
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:40.519
<v Speaker 1>before we close out today. I almost left a rant

970
00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:44.039
<v Speaker 1>on Facebook this morning because of some of the things

971
00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:46.719
<v Speaker 1>that I'm noticing, but I decided to just talk about

972
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:50.840
<v Speaker 1>it here tonight. What I've noticed with some folks who

973
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:56.360
<v Speaker 1>have been Awakening since at least twenty twenty, and they

974
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:59.880
<v Speaker 1>have decided to give it a go in the independent

975
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:07.000
<v Speaker 1>content creation space, podcasting things of that nature, and for

976
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:11.400
<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, they are not getting the success or notoriety

977
00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:15.880
<v Speaker 1>that they believe that they should. I couldn't tell you why,

978
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:19.440
<v Speaker 1>but the problem that I'm seeing is they tend to

979
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:23.119
<v Speaker 1>be lashing out at those that are having success with

980
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:27.920
<v Speaker 1>the podcast. They tend to be finding faults and problems

981
00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:32.519
<v Speaker 1>and critiquing their work and doing it very publicly in

982
00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:37.239
<v Speaker 1>a very childish way sometimes, and I think to myself,

983
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:39.639
<v Speaker 1>if they would put that much focus on their own

984
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:43.440
<v Speaker 1>work and what they're trying to do for themselves, they

985
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:47.800
<v Speaker 1>may find more success. I'm just very tired of seeing

986
00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:53.639
<v Speaker 1>my friends and colleagues at each other's throats over becoming

987
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:58.840
<v Speaker 1>successful at something they're passionate at and having problems with

988
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the way they're doing it when the person attempting it

989
00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:06.360
<v Speaker 1>is he and even trying it for themselves. So just

990
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:09.199
<v Speaker 1>a rant and observation that I saw, and I'd love

991
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:10.239
<v Speaker 1>to get your thoughts on it.

992
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:13.599
<v Speaker 2>You know what else I've seen too, Man, I've seen

993
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:18.119
<v Speaker 2>people who are and I'm sure you're gonna there's a

994
00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:19.880
<v Speaker 2>name that's gonna come in your head. We don't have

995
00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:22.440
<v Speaker 2>to speak about it, but uh, there are people who

996
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:25.159
<v Speaker 2>aren't even content creators who are doing that to other

997
00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:28.760
<v Speaker 2>content creators and trying to, like it, trying to like,

998
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:30.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, put them on front street, trying to like

999
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:34.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, really discredit and degrade their work. So that's

1000
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:36.760
<v Speaker 2>another thing. So I'm kind of with you on that too.

1001
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:39.719
<v Speaker 2>And there's a name that comes to mind. You blocked him,

1002
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:43.159
<v Speaker 2>He blocked me. Funny story on that. But uh, but

1003
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:45.559
<v Speaker 2>what do I think about that? Man? Is Honestly, this

1004
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:50.440
<v Speaker 2>is what I'm gonna say. They still hold the victim mentality,

1005
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:52.559
<v Speaker 2>and that's a lot of what it is. The victim

1006
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:56.559
<v Speaker 2>mentality still really runs rampant in our community. Man. It's

1007
00:58:56.599 --> 00:58:58.760
<v Speaker 2>a shame because you know, a lot of these people

1008
00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:01.400
<v Speaker 2>who are awakening, you know, they should be gaining the

1009
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:04.679
<v Speaker 2>understanding that they're they're in control of way more than

1010
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:07.880
<v Speaker 2>they think they are. And let me tell you this, man,

1011
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:09.599
<v Speaker 2>when I first started, like we were just saying earlier,

1012
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:13.559
<v Speaker 2>I had three followers. I was reaching out to David Ike,

1013
00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:20.440
<v Speaker 2>tempoole Jirogajob freaking Mattias de Stefano like I didn't even care.

1014
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:23.360
<v Speaker 2>I didn't even care because I was like, I don't

1015
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:25.559
<v Speaker 2>care if they say no, all right, but I'm gonna

1016
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:28.280
<v Speaker 2>reach out to like as many people as I can.

1017
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:30.199
<v Speaker 2>One in tent is gonna say yes, the one in

1018
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.119
<v Speaker 2>ten rule. One in ten is going to come on.

1019
00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:35.400
<v Speaker 2>They're going to agree on it, okay. And it's really

1020
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:39.199
<v Speaker 2>where your head, heart and hands are. Man. Energy goes

1021
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:41.400
<v Speaker 2>where the focus flows. I mean energy flows where the

1022
00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:43.599
<v Speaker 2>focus goes, you know. And like, if you're focusing on

1023
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:48.519
<v Speaker 2>just degrading other content creators and I'm bitching about your

1024
00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:51.880
<v Speaker 2>lack of success, that's where your focus is, and that's

1025
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:55.239
<v Speaker 2>where your energy's going. And now if you actually turned

1026
00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:57.719
<v Speaker 2>around and took the energy and the focus that you're

1027
00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:01.559
<v Speaker 2>putting into degrading other content creators and and bitching about

1028
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:04.360
<v Speaker 2>your lack of success, and putting that energy and actually

1029
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:08.119
<v Speaker 2>doing your content and doing your show you know what

1030
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:11.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guarantee you you would see more things

1031
01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:13.559
<v Speaker 2>that come out of it. I mean kind of how

1032
01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:15.320
<v Speaker 2>I rolled with it, man, is the first year, like

1033
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:18.039
<v Speaker 2>I was telling you, I reached how I work with

1034
01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:20.159
<v Speaker 2>Manifestation when I came to the show was this I

1035
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:23.760
<v Speaker 2>my first year. I went hard. I grinded it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing two, three shows a week. I was

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<v Speaker 2>I was reaching out to anybody and everybody. I could

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, and just build it. I mean, shoot,

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<v Speaker 2>I even reached out to you through that whole the

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing and all of that, and that's how we're

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<v Speaker 2>here today. And you know, and after that first year,

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<v Speaker 2>I cultivated enough of that energy flow to where I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, Okay, let's maybe drop down to one to

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01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:54.119
<v Speaker 2>two shows a week, but do better quality content. To

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01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:58.280
<v Speaker 2>do better quality shows. And then I started doing more

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01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:02.119
<v Speaker 2>research and doing things like that, You're going to get

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01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:06.360
<v Speaker 2>what you put into it. Bottom line, You're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get what you put into it, man. And like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>right now, I'm in a little bit of a lull period.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm okay with that because I'm getting the business started.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm taking care of some other things going on in

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<v Speaker 2>my life. But you know, but if you I'm choosing

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<v Speaker 2>that right now, I'm still making content, I'm still doing shows,

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01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:27.119
<v Speaker 2>but I'm kind of branching off and I'm taking care

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<v Speaker 2>of some other things on the side while I'm doing

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<v Speaker 2>that until I hop back in. And but you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to ultimately get what you put out of it, man,

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, like, and this is what I'll say,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to have time management, like how I ended

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<v Speaker 2>up doing it too, Man, when I was at my

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<v Speaker 2>downtime at work. I remember those days. I'm fucking yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm researching, I'm fucking making thumbnails for the shows. I'm

1063
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:54.519
<v Speaker 2>reaching out to potential guests. What are you doing with

1064
01:01:54.559 --> 01:01:58.360
<v Speaker 2>your downtime? Are you doom scrolling and just you know,

1065
01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:01.880
<v Speaker 2>complaining to every everybody else about your lack of success

1066
01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:04.840
<v Speaker 2>or you actually trying to do something about it. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's the other thing too, I'll say in there is

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<v Speaker 2>time management and utilizing your time wisely, you know, So

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<v Speaker 2>like that's that's going to be another play in it too, man.

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<v Speaker 2>But ultimately, my opinion is you're going to get what

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01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:18.039
<v Speaker 2>you put into it, you know. And if you're putting

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<v Speaker 2>in your your your heart and soul, truly into what

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing. You're going to see your heart and soul

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01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:27.480
<v Speaker 2>manifest into this existence. If you're half asking it and

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01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:33.400
<v Speaker 2>holding the victim mentality and complaining all the time about

1076
01:02:33.400 --> 01:02:37.239
<v Speaker 2>your lack of success, you know that that's all you're

1077
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:39.519
<v Speaker 2>ultimately going to end up being, because that's where you're

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01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:40.880
<v Speaker 2>putting your focus and your energy.

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<v Speaker 1>You put your focus, you put your imagination, you put

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01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:49.559
<v Speaker 1>your excitement, your passion, your energy, all of those feelings

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01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:54.039
<v Speaker 1>that contain that powerful energy, you put it into what

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01:02:54.119 --> 01:02:58.320
<v Speaker 1>you're working with, and it's fuel for that. It's rocket

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01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:01.119
<v Speaker 1>fuel and it propels you where the hell you want

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<v Speaker 1>to go. But thank you for that, Steven, and thank

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01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:07.960
<v Speaker 1>you for what you're doing. It's fantastic. Before we go,

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01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:11.159
<v Speaker 1>let everyone know how they can find out more, get

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01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:13.639
<v Speaker 1>in touch with you, sign up all the good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, guys. So of course you know I am

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01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:19.960
<v Speaker 2>part of the Forbidden Knowledge Network with Chris here and

1090
01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:22.800
<v Speaker 2>you can find me on Forbiddennoledge dot News with all

1091
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:26.880
<v Speaker 2>the other amazing podcasts that this network has to offer.

1092
01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:30.599
<v Speaker 2>Go give my friend Transcending Ascension Alike and a follow.

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01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:34.280
<v Speaker 2>She's new to the network and definitely support the documentaries guys.

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01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Like again, we've got original content made with heart, no

1095
01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:42.320
<v Speaker 2>ulterior motives, no ulterior narrative, just pure stuff guys, So

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01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:45.519
<v Speaker 2>definitely support the documentaries. And of course you can find

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<v Speaker 2>me on all major podcast platforms under bgcasts, Spotify, Speaker

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01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Rockfinn Apple, you can find me on YouTube and Rumble

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01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:57.239
<v Speaker 2>under bgcast, and you can find me on all major

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01:03:57.280 --> 01:04:00.440
<v Speaker 2>social media platforms under bgcast. And thanks again, Chris, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a great conversation man, and thanks for letting me

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, And if they want to sign up for your services,

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01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:07.840
<v Speaker 1>what's the best way to contact you?

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01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:15.400
<v Speaker 2>So, guys, go ahead and it's BEG Bodymindspirit dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the actual website.

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<v Speaker 3>There.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll find my email, my social media X would be

1110
01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:23.880
<v Speaker 2>the best way to reach out to me if you're

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01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:25.840
<v Speaker 2>going to go that route, but you can email me

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01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:28.079
<v Speaker 2>too as well. And yeah, let me know if you

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01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:31.119
<v Speaker 2>want to sit down for a consultation. The consultations are free,

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01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:34.760
<v Speaker 2>no charge to you. And whether you want to pull

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01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:37.400
<v Speaker 2>the trigger right there after the consultation or you want

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01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:39.320
<v Speaker 2>to try a two week trial, we can do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>It's totally up to what is in your ballpark. And

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<v Speaker 2>what is in your vision at that point in time.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's BG Bodymindspirit dot Com. And yeah, just swing

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01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:52.280
<v Speaker 2>me a line and let's get started. Guys, I want

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01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:53.000
<v Speaker 2>to help you succeed.

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<v Speaker 1>And Steven, thank you so much. We will of course

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<v Speaker 1>be doing this again and until next time, everyone, have

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<v Speaker 1>an excellent evening today. I want to welcome Julian Palmer.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a researcher and writer who has been deeply

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01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:10.039
<v Speaker 1>exploring psychedelics for over twenty two years. In the mid

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<v Speaker 1>nineties he developed Changa, a blend of DMT and herbs,

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<v Speaker 1>which is now a global phenomena. He is also an

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<v Speaker 1>author and has spoken extensively at psychedelic conferences and festivals

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<v Speaker 1>all over the world. His podcast is Revelations with Julian Palmer.

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<v Speaker 1>Julian welcome, How you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks, Chris doing well. I'm here in Melbourne, Australia. It

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<v Speaker 3>we call it Melbourne. It's a kind of a choky city,

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01:05:42.920 --> 01:05:47.039
<v Speaker 3>five million people. You know. Tasmania is a bit south

1136
01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:51.719
<v Speaker 3>of En that's Antarctica, so it's pretty crazy weather, but

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01:05:52.519 --> 01:05:55.079
<v Speaker 3>really good coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, man, Yeah, I love a good cup of coffee.

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01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:01.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure that some of my audience may be

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01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:06.440
<v Speaker 1>sick of me talking about psychedelics and doing shows, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's because of psychedelics that I am on the path

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01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:13.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm on and doing what I do and will continue

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01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:17.960
<v Speaker 1>to do. So my journey has been with psilocybin. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that you have developed something called changa, which I've

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01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:25.400
<v Speaker 1>never tried. I'm sure the universe will lead me to

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01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:29.159
<v Speaker 1>it if it's supposed to, but I'm very much looking

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<v Speaker 1>forward to learning all about it, as well as getting

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<v Speaker 1>some of your insights into what we're experiencing and interacting

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<v Speaker 1>with when using these substances. What is your first time

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<v Speaker 1>on Before we get into that, let the audience know

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<v Speaker 1>more about yourself and what led you on your path.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I got started in the internets and the web

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01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:55.079
<v Speaker 3>in the very early days in the mid nineties, so

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<v Speaker 3>that would give an idea rest of my age and

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<v Speaker 3>and so I was working in that area, which was

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<v Speaker 3>which was quite interesting, but it wasn't really that fulfilling

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01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:11.840
<v Speaker 3>for me. And I suppose I was involved in, you know,

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01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:18.639
<v Speaker 3>trying to really discover a spirituality in a very spiritually

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01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:27.920
<v Speaker 3>poor culture. So I basically, you know, I found Australia

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<v Speaker 3>to be not really very you know, spiritually aware or

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<v Speaker 3>that many people involved in that sort of thing at

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<v Speaker 3>that time. So yeah, basically around the year two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>I came across. It was nineteen ninety nine actually that

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<v Speaker 3>I first came across DMT, and of course I was

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<v Speaker 3>fascinated by it, and there wasn't much going around in

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<v Speaker 3>the world, but we have the Acacias in Australia, so

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<v Speaker 3>people extracting DMT from the acacias, and so I got started,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know that that became my job. I became

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<v Speaker 3>a full time advocate for d MT and ACACIA and

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<v Speaker 3>I started sharing that medicine with people the ACACIA and

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<v Speaker 3>Syrian RU. I started facilitating groups in two thousand and two,

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<v Speaker 3>and I only really retired late last year, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>simply because I've spent you know, after spending twenty two

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<v Speaker 3>years in the trenches, you know, with grown adults, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>essentially you know, being a you know sham and no,

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't call myself that. It's not particularly glamorous kind

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<v Speaker 3>of cleaning.

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<v Speaker 4>Vomit off people and taking them to the bathroom and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, dealing with all their dark, shadowy craze material.

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<v Speaker 3>It's quite you know it's quite challenging. So yeah, I'd say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I've been kind of quite deep in there for a

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<v Speaker 3>long time. And then I guess, oh, you know, it

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<v Speaker 3>would have been in the last six years or so

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<v Speaker 3>we've seen this rapid engagement of psychedelics in the more

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<v Speaker 3>medicalization space for treating medical conditions. So yeah, I've been

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<v Speaker 3>watching and observing and yeah, commenting on what I've seen

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<v Speaker 3>and observed in this spaces for the last you know,

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<v Speaker 3>over a couple of decades.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, excellent, Now, tell us a little bit about your

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<v Speaker 1>journey and what led you to create Changa and tell

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<v Speaker 1>us a little bit about what that is.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, so I was living in this area called

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<v Speaker 3>Byron Bay in Australia, which is a bit of an

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<v Speaker 3>alternative hot spot, a bit of a tourist town, and

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<v Speaker 3>people around that area had been extracted DMT from acacias,

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01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:14.279
<v Speaker 3>but not that many people, just a handful of people,

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<v Speaker 3>and people were quite scared of DMT because DMT was

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<v Speaker 3>so powerful and strong, and people would you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>knew this guy who'd give it to people and he'd

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<v Speaker 3>just say.

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<v Speaker 5>Smoke this, lie down, you're gonna die, you know, and

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<v Speaker 5>then they'd be like.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, so people were like, you can imagine at

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<v Speaker 3>that point that people have never experienced anything like it. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, now, I think, you know, there's something to

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<v Speaker 3>be said for morphic residence, where you know, more and

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<v Speaker 3>more people have done something and it becomes, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>part of the culture. The human brain knows how to

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<v Speaker 3>understand it. I think in the late nineties early noughties,

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<v Speaker 3>most people, you know, the kind of elders, you know,

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01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:01.520
<v Speaker 3>the guys with the white b were like, we don't

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<v Speaker 3>think humanity is ready for d MT, you know, they

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<v Speaker 3>were just like it were. People were pretty freaked out

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<v Speaker 3>about it because it was quite a revelation and the

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<v Speaker 3>stuff Australian acacias is really strong too. There's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's five A MEO in some of them, and other

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<v Speaker 3>alkaloids we don't even know about that are probably stronger

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<v Speaker 3>than d m T. So, you know, people, people were

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<v Speaker 3>pretty blown away. So what happened is a friend and

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<v Speaker 3>I we extracted goo from an Acacia casha two cifolia

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<v Speaker 3>is a species name because they've got lots of other

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01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:42.239
<v Speaker 3>alkaloids in them, and so some of those arkaloids don't

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<v Speaker 3>crystallize into d MT. So we we put it fifty

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<v Speaker 3>fifty in Aahuascar vine shavings and smoke that and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I gave out a bunch of people and they all said, look,

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<v Speaker 3>it's too strong. So I thought, okay, well what I'll

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<v Speaker 3>do is I'll add maline and peppermint to that, and

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<v Speaker 3>then also passionflower. And I heard that maline and peppermint

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<v Speaker 3>made for a much smoother smoke because moline is a

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<v Speaker 3>long herb. And then I added blue lotus as well,

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<v Speaker 3>and I have the ratio, so rather than fifty percent

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<v Speaker 3>was twenty five p m. So that's original recipe shanga

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<v Speaker 3>which I called it. And you know, the name came

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<v Speaker 3>through on an ayahuasca group that I held at my

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<v Speaker 3>house and I, you know, the name just came to me.

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<v Speaker 3>And we thought it was quite funny because it's like

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<v Speaker 3>very Australian. It sounds like something you'd you know, like

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<v Speaker 3>Oka Australians sort of like what would you call them,

1239
01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:59.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, trailer trash Australians. An American perspective, I would.

1240
01:12:58.920 --> 01:13:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Say, yeah, that's the chain and give me a beer,

1241
01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:04.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, smoke exciting shit, you know.

1242
01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:10.359
<v Speaker 3>So we thought it was very funny, and so it

1243
01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:14.760
<v Speaker 3>was quite amusing to me that the name caught on.

1244
01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:18.880
<v Speaker 3>There was another name that was being used. People were

1245
01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:22.920
<v Speaker 3>calling it Dreamly for dream Time, because it was actually

1246
01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:25.840
<v Speaker 3>being sold in the shops, you know, under the counter

1247
01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:31.239
<v Speaker 3>in chain of shops called Happy Herbal Hires in Australia,

1248
01:13:31.720 --> 01:13:33.840
<v Speaker 3>and they were calling it dream Time, and other people

1249
01:13:33.880 --> 01:13:36.840
<v Speaker 3>called it dream Leaf and so and I was calling

1250
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:40.319
<v Speaker 3>it smoke Mix at the time, and so, yeah, pretty

1251
01:13:40.399 --> 01:13:45.760
<v Speaker 3>much the next oh, you know, it's like two thousand

1252
01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:50.760
<v Speaker 3>and three, two thousand and four. You know, I kind

1253
01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:55.640
<v Speaker 3>of planted these seeds all around the world, you know,

1254
01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:58.800
<v Speaker 3>and other people did as well, you know, took it

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01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:01.119
<v Speaker 3>to various countries and show people how to make it.

1256
01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:04.479
<v Speaker 3>You know Dan Schreiber, who's dead now. He took it

1257
01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:07.920
<v Speaker 3>to Hawaii and the States and South Africa. You know,

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01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:09.960
<v Speaker 3>I know a guy who showed how to do it.

1259
01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:14.960
<v Speaker 3>He took it to Brazil, and yeah, but I sort

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<v Speaker 3>of I mostly focused on Europe and you know South

1261
01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:24.960
<v Speaker 3>America as well. You know, took it to conferences and

1262
01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:29.399
<v Speaker 3>gatherings and gave it to prominent people or whenever I could.

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01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:33.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, England is a big place, of course. I

1264
01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:36.880
<v Speaker 3>arrived in England quite early in you know, two o five,

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01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:41.000
<v Speaker 3>two oh six. Yeah, and then at the Boom Festival

1266
01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:44.479
<v Speaker 3>in two o eight it kind of you know, people

1267
01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:47.079
<v Speaker 3>started to really pay attention and they were like wow,

1268
01:14:47.319 --> 01:14:51.479
<v Speaker 3>you know, because crystal d MT it's hard to smoke.

1269
01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:54.760
<v Speaker 3>You know, you can put it in a it's not

1270
01:14:55.319 --> 01:14:57.079
<v Speaker 3>you get some you need to freebase it in a

1271
01:14:57.119 --> 01:15:00.159
<v Speaker 3>glass pipe or you know, put in a bond and

1272
01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:04.359
<v Speaker 3>which method layer in herbs, So it's not easy thing

1273
01:15:04.399 --> 01:15:07.479
<v Speaker 3>to smoke and way up. Whereas changer you can just

1274
01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:09.880
<v Speaker 3>put some in a cone, in a boon or a

1275
01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:12.479
<v Speaker 3>pipe or a joint and off you go. You know,

1276
01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:15.720
<v Speaker 3>so makes sense, and then you can have a light,

1277
01:15:16.079 --> 01:15:22.239
<v Speaker 3>a lighter experience that's more gentle, that you can assimilate

1278
01:15:22.720 --> 01:15:26.159
<v Speaker 3>and integrate. That's not going to blow your socks off.

1279
01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:28.199
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you can just have a little bit that's

1280
01:15:28.239 --> 01:15:31.359
<v Speaker 3>just going to amplify your senses and your visual field.

1281
01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:35.920
<v Speaker 3>You're going to have this quite nice medicinal feeling. So

1282
01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:38.680
<v Speaker 3>it's really not that much different to you know, smoking

1283
01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:42.279
<v Speaker 3>crystal d MT, except I found that integration tends to

1284
01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:47.800
<v Speaker 3>be better. Duration is a bit longer, there's a bit

1285
01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:50.000
<v Speaker 3>more warmth to get a bit of warmth after glow

1286
01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:54.119
<v Speaker 3>from the ayahuascovine. You know, I remember some years ago

1287
01:15:54.399 --> 01:15:57.880
<v Speaker 3>some friends introduced me to these DMT in vake pens

1288
01:15:58.359 --> 01:16:02.439
<v Speaker 3>and we were just like, nah, nah, this is like

1289
01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:09.640
<v Speaker 3>very artificial, had a real fifth element vibe about it,

1290
01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:16.039
<v Speaker 3>like the what's that Luke Basson, the French film director.

1291
01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:21.600
<v Speaker 3>It felt like it didn't feel organic or integrated or real.

1292
01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:24.840
<v Speaker 3>So there's something to be said about, you know, using

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01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:28.840
<v Speaker 3>with the Aaohuascar vine smoking DMT with the Aohuascar vine,

1294
01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:32.359
<v Speaker 3>which the traditionally you know, in the Amazon has been

1295
01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:36.399
<v Speaker 3>considered to be the guiding factor and force. You know,

1296
01:16:36.439 --> 01:16:39.079
<v Speaker 3>it's Ahohuascar brew. It's not the DMT brew. They don't

1297
01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:42.479
<v Speaker 3>even know about DMT. So for them, you know, it's

1298
01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:45.760
<v Speaker 3>all about the a Aahuascar And so you know a

1299
01:16:45.800 --> 01:16:48.760
<v Speaker 3>lot of people, some people these days are adding you

1300
01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:54.199
<v Speaker 3>know harmulers from Syrian rue. Yeah, it's does the same

1301
01:16:54.319 --> 01:16:58.359
<v Speaker 3>sort of thing. But there's something about that Aahuascar vine

1302
01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:03.640
<v Speaker 3>that's powerful and magical as a as a guiding entity.

1303
01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:06.399
<v Speaker 3>So from my perspective, if it doesn't have the ayahuask

1304
01:17:06.439 --> 01:17:09.800
<v Speaker 3>of vine in it, it's not really it's not that

1305
01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:13.960
<v Speaker 3>much different to smoking DMT because it's the iowask of

1306
01:17:14.039 --> 01:17:19.600
<v Speaker 3>vine that activates, say, in the Amazonan tradition, the iowasca

1307
01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:24.399
<v Speaker 3>vine activates all the herbs and plants that you're using,

1308
01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:28.319
<v Speaker 3>So they use these addmixtures in their brewis. So when

1309
01:17:28.359 --> 01:17:31.760
<v Speaker 3>you have iwuask of vine and other herbs in your changa,

1310
01:17:32.119 --> 01:17:34.760
<v Speaker 3>the aowuasc of vine and the DMT is going to

1311
01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:39.640
<v Speaker 3>activate those qualities. So you're going to have this, you know,

1312
01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:45.000
<v Speaker 3>very strong medicinal effect. So the maline, for example, becomes

1313
01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:49.000
<v Speaker 3>connection you can have. I've had powerful lung healings from

1314
01:17:49.079 --> 01:17:52.079
<v Speaker 3>smoking maline in changa. You know, I was chain smoking

1315
01:17:52.159 --> 01:17:54.840
<v Speaker 3>at the time, you know, back in like I think

1316
01:17:54.840 --> 01:17:59.520
<v Speaker 3>it was like two o five, and you know, I

1317
01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:03.520
<v Speaker 3>was smoke a lot of tobacco and then you know,

1318
01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:08.199
<v Speaker 3>smoking changa, and my lungs felt amazingly healed, you know,

1319
01:18:08.279 --> 01:18:13.319
<v Speaker 3>amazingly fresh, like I'd never been a smoker. So that's

1320
01:18:13.359 --> 01:18:17.880
<v Speaker 3>when I really twigged that, Wow, these admixtures are powerful.

1321
01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:20.560
<v Speaker 3>Then I went to the Amazon you know, later on

1322
01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:23.880
<v Speaker 3>in that year, and I learned more about admixture plants

1323
01:18:23.880 --> 01:18:28.239
<v Speaker 3>and how the ayahuasca is activates these plants because they

1324
01:18:28.279 --> 01:18:31.960
<v Speaker 3>consider the Ayahuascar iron to be the mother of all

1325
01:18:32.000 --> 01:18:36.560
<v Speaker 3>plants that activates those plants. So yeah, I mean you

1326
01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:39.239
<v Speaker 3>can you know, you could put you could put the

1327
01:18:39.319 --> 01:18:43.000
<v Speaker 3>harmelers in your vap pen and it might extend duration.

1328
01:18:43.600 --> 01:18:46.920
<v Speaker 3>But there's something to be said about smoking those herbs

1329
01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:50.399
<v Speaker 3>that are chemical bland in a vaporizer or a bomb

1330
01:18:50.840 --> 01:18:56.279
<v Speaker 3>where you're going to get this rich, full, you know, experience,

1331
01:18:56.359 --> 01:18:59.600
<v Speaker 3>whereas it's like for me, you know, the vate pan

1332
01:18:59.800 --> 01:19:07.159
<v Speaker 3>is is like the McDonald's a DMD. It's like, no,

1333
01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:11.039
<v Speaker 3>that's not there's no craftsmanship involved there. You know, you

1334
01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:13.279
<v Speaker 3>don't know where that d m T has come from.

1335
01:19:13.640 --> 01:19:16.600
<v Speaker 3>You don't know how they harvested it, you know. So

1336
01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:20.880
<v Speaker 3>I've come from this food to table perspective where the

1337
01:19:20.920 --> 01:19:24.680
<v Speaker 3>whole way along you're doing everything very consciously. You're recognizing

1338
01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:29.359
<v Speaker 3>that there's your your you know, paying your respects to

1339
01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:34.319
<v Speaker 3>the plant spirits involved. And I think that's very important

1340
01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:36.920
<v Speaker 3>because in our day and age, you talk to you know,

1341
01:19:37.479 --> 01:19:41.439
<v Speaker 3>hanging out with a PhD in Euroscientists recently, and he's like, oh,

1342
01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:45.279
<v Speaker 3>plant spirits, you know that's not you know, you get

1343
01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:48.199
<v Speaker 3>kicked out of the academy. You start talking about plant spirits.

1344
01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:52.359
<v Speaker 3>You can't, that's not that's not science, you know, but

1345
01:19:52.880 --> 01:19:59.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, exponentially, that's what people experience, you know, experentially

1346
01:19:59.039 --> 01:20:02.039
<v Speaker 3>with you know, say, you know, Chance mcanna would always

1347
01:20:02.079 --> 01:20:07.039
<v Speaker 3>talk about the mushroom spirit and people talk about Mama

1348
01:20:07.079 --> 01:20:11.039
<v Speaker 3>ayahuasca for example, and you know when people take a

1349
01:20:11.119 --> 01:20:14.840
<v Speaker 3>boga or it begin, you know, they experienced this really

1350
01:20:15.439 --> 01:20:19.479
<v Speaker 3>strong phrasance who's guiding them and teaching them. So, you know,

1351
01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:21.920
<v Speaker 3>I think one day the science will catch up and

1352
01:20:21.960 --> 01:20:26.680
<v Speaker 3>we'll see we'll see some way to understand what people

1353
01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:28.239
<v Speaker 3>actually experience, you know.

1354
01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:33.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yeah, while we're going into these spiritual realms.

1355
01:20:33.439 --> 01:20:36.880
<v Speaker 1>This is what I wanted to get into. What is

1356
01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:41.840
<v Speaker 1>your understanding of what's occurring in our consciousness, in our minds?

1357
01:20:42.640 --> 01:20:47.159
<v Speaker 1>Are we interacting with intelligences that we can't perceive. Are

1358
01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:52.960
<v Speaker 1>we putting one foot outside of this physical reality into

1359
01:20:54.279 --> 01:20:57.800
<v Speaker 1>more of a astral realm or a different dimension? What

1360
01:20:57.840 --> 01:20:58.319
<v Speaker 1>do you think?

1361
01:21:01.239 --> 01:21:05.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I mean when I first began getting into it,

1362
01:21:05.199 --> 01:21:09.119
<v Speaker 3>I remember I did really high mushroom doses in nineteen

1363
01:21:09.199 --> 01:21:13.119
<v Speaker 3>ninety nine and I experienced you know the first time,

1364
01:21:13.399 --> 01:21:16.439
<v Speaker 3>you know, you meet your guides and you you have

1365
01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:21.239
<v Speaker 3>this awareness of and you have this direct experience of

1366
01:21:21.239 --> 01:21:26.079
<v Speaker 3>a vast reality. It's kind of hard to say you

1367
01:21:26.119 --> 01:21:29.680
<v Speaker 3>can do it. You can, I know, people have you know,

1368
01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:31.960
<v Speaker 3>you can say, oh, that's not real, it's projection on

1369
01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:35.079
<v Speaker 3>my mind, right, kind of can do that, but the

1370
01:21:35.199 --> 01:21:39.840
<v Speaker 3>vividness and intelligence of the experience, you kind of got

1371
01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:44.119
<v Speaker 3>to say, sorry, sorry, guys, you're not real. This is

1372
01:21:44.119 --> 01:21:46.600
<v Speaker 3>a projection of my mind. And I'm deciding to say

1373
01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:50.880
<v Speaker 3>that because science, right, you know, and I think my

1374
01:21:51.239 --> 01:21:55.680
<v Speaker 3>understanding is the experiences themselves are rather evident. You know,

1375
01:21:55.960 --> 01:22:01.640
<v Speaker 3>you'll have this communication from these intelligen genies, which is

1376
01:22:01.680 --> 01:22:05.920
<v Speaker 3>a very intelligent communication. You know, it doesn't appear as

1377
01:22:05.960 --> 01:22:10.000
<v Speaker 3>a projection, it doesn't appear as a you know, like

1378
01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:17.439
<v Speaker 3>a it's actually quite meaningful. These these communications are very meaningful.

1379
01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:20.039
<v Speaker 3>So I think there's something to be said about embracing

1380
01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:25.239
<v Speaker 3>the mystery of this and not trying to you know,

1381
01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:30.800
<v Speaker 3>contextualize or try and understand understand it, because I don't

1382
01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:34.000
<v Speaker 3>honestly know if we can, you know, we can only

1383
01:22:34.199 --> 01:22:37.840
<v Speaker 3>just experience it. But I think the mistake people make,

1384
01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:42.720
<v Speaker 3>like I said, it's like it's really giving the rational

1385
01:22:42.840 --> 01:22:47.039
<v Speaker 3>mind way too much credibility and our you know, we

1386
01:22:47.079 --> 01:22:52.399
<v Speaker 3>live in twenty twenty four, right, Okay, presuming civilization is

1387
01:22:52.399 --> 01:22:56.600
<v Speaker 3>going to be around five hundred years, We've got to

1388
01:22:56.640 --> 01:22:59.239
<v Speaker 3>think not be so arrogant to think that we know

1389
01:22:59.359 --> 01:23:04.359
<v Speaker 3>everything that there is to know about, like you know,

1390
01:23:05.560 --> 01:23:10.399
<v Speaker 3>hyperdimensional consciousness and trip to mean consciousness, when we've only

1391
01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:13.319
<v Speaker 3>in the West, we've only had access to these substances

1392
01:23:14.039 --> 01:23:17.960
<v Speaker 3>in any you know, degree for a couple of decades.

1393
01:23:18.279 --> 01:23:22.840
<v Speaker 3>It hasn't haven't been long in our culture, whereas other cultures,

1394
01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:26.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, they've had them for hundreds, if not thousands

1395
01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:30.079
<v Speaker 3>of years. They have their own cosmologies related to it.

1396
01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:33.359
<v Speaker 3>So we'd be better, we'd be We do well to

1397
01:23:33.479 --> 01:23:37.720
<v Speaker 3>listen to what they say, but not completely. You know,

1398
01:23:37.800 --> 01:23:41.439
<v Speaker 3>they've got their own often their own dogma and their

1399
01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:44.960
<v Speaker 3>own rigid beliefs in some respects. But I think we've

1400
01:23:44.960 --> 01:23:47.920
<v Speaker 3>got to think about Okay, well, this is a developing field,

1401
01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:52.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, this is an emerging understanding where we're bringing

1402
01:23:52.119 --> 01:23:55.319
<v Speaker 3>this kind of you know, this Western mentality, you know,

1403
01:23:55.600 --> 01:24:01.439
<v Speaker 3>more kind of scientific, you know, non so called non

1404
01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:10.199
<v Speaker 3>superstitious viewpoint to understanding these states, and that hey, we

1405
01:24:10.239 --> 01:24:12.920
<v Speaker 3>don't we don't have it all you get out. You know,

1406
01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:17.680
<v Speaker 3>it's actually it's not really very unintelligent perspective to think.

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01:24:17.960 --> 01:24:21.359
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, science twenty twenty four, we got it covered, boys,

1408
01:24:21.800 --> 01:24:25.399
<v Speaker 6>and we got this down, like neuroscience to the wind.

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01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:29.800
<v Speaker 3>It's like it's like, no, we don't know much about it.

1410
01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:34.000
<v Speaker 3>The more you know, it's like, what's that Dunning Kruger effect,

1411
01:24:34.159 --> 01:24:37.840
<v Speaker 3>Like the more you understand about something, the more you

1412
01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:41.760
<v Speaker 3>understand that you don't know. You know, It's like it's

1413
01:24:41.760 --> 01:24:48.079
<v Speaker 3>like Dennis McKenna would say, related to ayahuasca, how how?

1414
01:24:48.279 --> 01:24:51.520
<v Speaker 3>And he's the guy who did all the farmer pharmacological

1415
01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:55.600
<v Speaker 3>work on how Aiahuascar works, and he says, how ayahuascar

1416
01:24:55.720 --> 01:24:59.920
<v Speaker 3>works is a complete mystery, you know, because he understands

1417
01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:03.039
<v Speaker 3>you're seeing it. He's drunk hundreds of times he works

1418
01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:05.960
<v Speaker 3>with people in those states. And I think, yeah, the

1419
01:25:05.960 --> 01:25:09.000
<v Speaker 3>more you understand, the more you understand. There's a lot

1420
01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:13.039
<v Speaker 3>that you don't understand. But you know, the main thing

1421
01:25:13.119 --> 01:25:18.199
<v Speaker 3>that I think is important to main understand him to

1422
01:25:18.239 --> 01:25:23.319
<v Speaker 3>have is not to let this, you know, the so

1423
01:25:23.399 --> 01:25:28.039
<v Speaker 3>called logical rational mind just go no, no, that's not real.

1424
01:25:28.079 --> 01:25:30.520
<v Speaker 3>It's just a trip. Road's all in your mind.

1425
01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Right.

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01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:37.000
<v Speaker 3>I just think that's a cultural glitch. You know, that's

1427
01:25:37.039 --> 01:25:42.359
<v Speaker 3>a cultural that's a cultural artifact of you know, the studio.

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01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:47.000
<v Speaker 3>It's not actually a logical rational perspective. I think they

1429
01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:51.760
<v Speaker 3>actually kicked me off read a rational psychonaut and couldn't

1430
01:25:51.800 --> 01:25:54.800
<v Speaker 3>explain why because I go in there arguing all these

1431
01:25:54.840 --> 01:25:58.560
<v Speaker 3>points and having these strong conversations. Was it being rude?

1432
01:25:58.600 --> 01:26:01.159
<v Speaker 3>I was quite polite about it, but they kicked me

1433
01:26:01.199 --> 01:26:04.319
<v Speaker 3>off eventually. I think I was possibly true rational for them.

1434
01:26:04.359 --> 01:26:08.119
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's like this idea that like rationality is

1435
01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:11.880
<v Speaker 3>like no, only the ration, only the mind is real.

1436
01:26:12.199 --> 01:26:17.600
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's actually quite a narcissistic perspective. It's what's

1437
01:26:17.680 --> 01:26:21.640
<v Speaker 3>going on in here? All about this? It's nothing else

1438
01:26:22.319 --> 01:26:27.800
<v Speaker 3>just that, right, It's nonsensical. Actually, it's doesn't make any

1439
01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:32.560
<v Speaker 3>sense because it would make sense that that, you know,

1440
01:26:33.439 --> 01:26:36.800
<v Speaker 3>just like the theoretical physicists say, well, there's all these

1441
01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:42.000
<v Speaker 3>dimensions and all these realities, right, makes sense that there's

1442
01:26:42.039 --> 01:26:45.600
<v Speaker 3>not just okay, what's going on in all these dimensions?

1443
01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:49.079
<v Speaker 3>You know, they talk about these dimensions of these somehow

1444
01:26:49.119 --> 01:26:53.399
<v Speaker 3>empty spaces, right, But it's like, what it's actually going

1445
01:26:53.439 --> 01:26:56.840
<v Speaker 3>on there is there's some sort of sentience happening in

1446
01:26:56.880 --> 01:26:59.680
<v Speaker 3>these dimensions. And I think, you know, I think you

1447
01:26:59.720 --> 01:27:03.920
<v Speaker 3>can you can smoke DMT and you can have an

1448
01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:08.640
<v Speaker 3>experience where you go into some sort of string theory world,

1449
01:27:09.079 --> 01:27:12.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, and have an experience.

1450
01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:15.520
<v Speaker 6>Way beyond the third dimensional, and then you come back

1451
01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:16.319
<v Speaker 6>into the three D.

1452
01:27:16.439 --> 01:27:18.520
<v Speaker 3>And you're like you're trying to bring it back and

1453
01:27:18.560 --> 01:27:21.640
<v Speaker 3>you can't quite do it. It's just too hard to

1454
01:27:22.439 --> 01:27:25.600
<v Speaker 3>you know. And I think that experience is good to have,

1455
01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:29.039
<v Speaker 3>just to have go oh yeah, right, okay, well there's

1456
01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:32.359
<v Speaker 3>we got this three D world, but there's all this

1457
01:27:32.479 --> 01:27:37.199
<v Speaker 3>other stuff there too, Rather than this view was like, no, guys,

1458
01:27:37.439 --> 01:27:41.479
<v Speaker 3>it's just us. It's just us monkeys. We don't know

1459
01:27:41.800 --> 01:27:42.800
<v Speaker 3>what happened, but it.

1460
01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:47.920
<v Speaker 7>Just it all just randomly assembled, this highly sophisticated organic machine,

1461
01:27:48.319 --> 01:27:53.199
<v Speaker 7>amazingly muteated into this fabulously intelligent machine.

1462
01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:57.600
<v Speaker 3>Isn't that wonderful? You know? And yeah it is, it

1463
01:27:57.680 --> 01:28:01.520
<v Speaker 3>is wonderful, But it's like it's a non you know.

1464
01:28:02.640 --> 01:28:05.199
<v Speaker 3>Look you look at the human body and the bones

1465
01:28:05.319 --> 01:28:09.199
<v Speaker 3>and the lungs and the organs. It's like, yeah, yeah, guys,

1466
01:28:09.279 --> 01:28:12.920
<v Speaker 3>it's just randomly assembled by mutation and chance. Because we

1467
01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:16.359
<v Speaker 3>came out of the sea, right, and that's the thing.

1468
01:28:17.039 --> 01:28:21.000
<v Speaker 3>We're kind of prisoner to this orthodoxy. And I've recently,

1469
01:28:22.039 --> 01:28:26.159
<v Speaker 3>you know, I've been hearing from you know, people very

1470
01:28:26.239 --> 01:28:29.640
<v Speaker 3>high up in the sort of scientific establishment. Not from them,

1471
01:28:29.680 --> 01:28:33.479
<v Speaker 3>but people who know them, who say that, you know,

1472
01:28:33.560 --> 01:28:38.039
<v Speaker 3>there's a ton of people who don't agree with the

1473
01:28:38.039 --> 01:28:41.359
<v Speaker 3>theory of evolution, but they don't want to They don't

1474
01:28:41.359 --> 01:28:44.119
<v Speaker 3>want to talk about it because they would lose credibility

1475
01:28:44.159 --> 01:28:46.560
<v Speaker 3>and they lose their jobs. You know. It's like there's

1476
01:28:46.600 --> 01:28:48.880
<v Speaker 3>a ton of people who don't want to talk about

1477
01:28:48.920 --> 01:28:53.359
<v Speaker 3>their experience hyperdimensional consciousness. You know, they don't want to

1478
01:28:53.399 --> 01:28:57.479
<v Speaker 3>talk about meeting faories and plant spirits and stuff like

1479
01:28:57.520 --> 01:29:01.039
<v Speaker 3>this because they don't feel that they'd be they wouldn't

1480
01:29:01.039 --> 01:29:04.760
<v Speaker 3>be taken credibly. Like I met a famous Australian cricket player.

1481
01:29:04.760 --> 01:29:08.359
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you know this game cricket. Yeah, yeah,

1482
01:29:08.399 --> 01:29:12.079
<v Speaker 3>they played in India, Australia West Indies. I met this

1483
01:29:12.239 --> 01:29:15.960
<v Speaker 3>like really famous you know one you know blokes, bloke,

1484
01:29:16.319 --> 01:29:19.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, really well known. You would never think and

1485
01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:22.720
<v Speaker 3>I met I met a friend of his who introduced

1486
01:29:22.760 --> 01:29:25.359
<v Speaker 3>me to him, and he told me that he smoked

1487
01:29:25.399 --> 01:29:32.560
<v Speaker 3>DMT and that he was in his garden. I hope

1488
01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:38.239
<v Speaker 3>he's not watching this button anyway. He's anonymous. But he

1489
01:29:38.319 --> 01:29:42.800
<v Speaker 3>was in his garden and he saw this theory, and

1490
01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:45.960
<v Speaker 3>the fairy said to him in this Aussie voice, likedate,

1491
01:29:46.359 --> 01:29:49.840
<v Speaker 3>what are you doing, like throwing cigarette butts in the garden.

1492
01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:56.279
<v Speaker 3>Don't fucking do it, and then zipped out, and he

1493
01:29:56.520 --> 01:30:03.920
<v Speaker 3>was like, WHOA, Okay, so fairies are real. So yeah,

1494
01:30:03.920 --> 01:30:06.399
<v Speaker 3>I mean, but I don't think there's all these people

1495
01:30:06.439 --> 01:30:09.760
<v Speaker 3>out they're in the you know, in the psychedelic world.

1496
01:30:09.960 --> 01:30:14.560
<v Speaker 3>They have their own experiences and they have their own realities,

1497
01:30:14.560 --> 01:30:18.640
<v Speaker 3>but they might be shy about, you know, talking about

1498
01:30:18.680 --> 01:30:23.319
<v Speaker 3>plant spirits or you know, talking about other realities because.

1499
01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:28.800
<v Speaker 8>We're we're in a sense, we're imprisoned by a cult

1500
01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:33.600
<v Speaker 8>whereby materialism is the cult.

1501
01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:38.840
<v Speaker 3>And that's our world. And to talk against or outside

1502
01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:43.439
<v Speaker 3>of that box, you know, there's there's forces who don't

1503
01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:45.840
<v Speaker 3>want us, who want us to be imprisoned in the

1504
01:30:46.000 --> 01:30:49.239
<v Speaker 3>in the physical, in the apparent physical right. You know,

1505
01:30:49.479 --> 01:30:51.479
<v Speaker 3>they don't want us to wake up out of that

1506
01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:54.479
<v Speaker 3>and realize there's other stuff out there. So as soon

1507
01:30:54.560 --> 01:30:58.760
<v Speaker 3>as you start talking about that I think people feel like, well,

1508
01:30:59.199 --> 01:31:02.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, Kim Jong un, you know, or I e.

1509
01:31:02.760 --> 01:31:06.239
<v Speaker 3>The tyranny. It's not gonna want that. I'm scared of

1510
01:31:06.359 --> 01:31:11.000
<v Speaker 3>being you know, shot by submarine guns. You know. I

1511
01:31:11.000 --> 01:31:18.159
<v Speaker 3>think people there's you know, and I think possibly, you know,

1512
01:31:18.399 --> 01:31:21.680
<v Speaker 3>this is called the topic of all topics, and I

1513
01:31:21.720 --> 01:31:27.680
<v Speaker 3>think that people are scared of talking about you know,

1514
01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:34.640
<v Speaker 3>other dimensions entities because you know that factor and often

1515
01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:38.600
<v Speaker 3>these people are at the more you know, the people

1516
01:31:38.600 --> 01:31:44.079
<v Speaker 3>who should be our influences and really, you know, really,

1517
01:31:44.760 --> 01:31:47.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, telling people how it is, a lot of

1518
01:31:47.199 --> 01:31:49.880
<v Speaker 3>them are kind of cavetching and going more on the

1519
01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:52.479
<v Speaker 3>fence and saying, oh, could be this could be that,

1520
01:31:53.039 --> 01:31:56.439
<v Speaker 3>you know, whereas privately they know exactly what's happening, you know.

1521
01:31:57.319 --> 01:32:02.159
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I think that's I think that's what's going on,

1522
01:32:02.600 --> 01:32:06.000
<v Speaker 3>that we are in a kind of a tyranny, and

1523
01:32:06.079 --> 01:32:11.359
<v Speaker 3>there is that threat, whether implied or actual, of like

1524
01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:14.880
<v Speaker 3>don't talk about that because you you know, you'll get punished,

1525
01:32:15.079 --> 01:32:18.319
<v Speaker 3>you know, or or whatever it is, or you'll you know,

1526
01:32:18.359 --> 01:32:22.159
<v Speaker 3>your status will will go down in the scientific community,

1527
01:32:22.279 --> 01:32:26.279
<v Speaker 3>or you won't get your you won't get your honorary doctorate.

1528
01:32:26.520 --> 01:32:28.439
<v Speaker 3>Or you know, that's how a lot of these people

1529
01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:31.359
<v Speaker 3>not putting anyone down, but a lot of people who

1530
01:32:31.359 --> 01:32:35.279
<v Speaker 3>are in the high echelons of our you know, our

1531
01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:40.399
<v Speaker 3>real thought leaders, say there that's they're really They're wanting

1532
01:32:40.640 --> 01:32:45.079
<v Speaker 3>to be embraced by the establishment and the mainstream and

1533
01:32:45.159 --> 01:32:48.279
<v Speaker 3>they want they want their message to get out there.

1534
01:32:48.880 --> 01:32:53.439
<v Speaker 3>And I understand that. So they're scared of actually, you know,

1535
01:32:53.560 --> 01:32:56.039
<v Speaker 3>being made fun of, because in our society, as soon

1536
01:32:56.079 --> 01:32:59.960
<v Speaker 3>as you start talking about you know, little green men

1537
01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:03.720
<v Speaker 3>or you know, anything that's outside of the cultural box,

1538
01:33:04.800 --> 01:33:07.520
<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, often there are people who want to

1539
01:33:07.560 --> 01:33:09.800
<v Speaker 3>make fun of you. But I think, yeah, well, I

1540
01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:12.960
<v Speaker 3>think Joe Rogan, I mean, it's quite phenomenal really that

1541
01:33:13.119 --> 01:33:16.960
<v Speaker 3>the biggest podcaster in the world is someone has been

1542
01:33:17.239 --> 01:33:21.039
<v Speaker 3>advocating for and understand. I think he really gets it.

1543
01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:26.520
<v Speaker 3>And you know that hey like dmt How astounding, how amazing,

1544
01:33:27.239 --> 01:33:31.079
<v Speaker 3>how significant is it? So I think in a sense

1545
01:33:31.079 --> 01:33:34.319
<v Speaker 3>we have reason to be optimistic. And especially with these

1546
01:33:34.439 --> 01:33:37.680
<v Speaker 3>d mt X studies, they're doing extended state DM and

1547
01:33:37.720 --> 01:33:41.159
<v Speaker 3>there are people, you know, there are people like Andrew Gallimore,

1548
01:33:42.399 --> 01:33:45.479
<v Speaker 3>you know who I really rate him as a human being,

1549
01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:50.840
<v Speaker 3>as a researcher who are doing great work. And you know,

1550
01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:54.760
<v Speaker 3>the people behind the d M t X research, they've

1551
01:33:54.800 --> 01:33:57.439
<v Speaker 3>really got this open mind and they I think they

1552
01:33:58.239 --> 01:34:02.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, they understand, they see the significance and the

1553
01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:06.199
<v Speaker 3>meaning of this, because really what we have in d

1554
01:34:06.359 --> 01:34:12.600
<v Speaker 3>MT is a way that we can access this, you know,

1555
01:34:13.960 --> 01:34:18.720
<v Speaker 3>dimensions and realms that have previously been closed off to

1556
01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:21.600
<v Speaker 3>the Western mind. You know, we've been imprisoned with this

1557
01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:26.520
<v Speaker 3>within these religious structures where you know, which says well,

1558
01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:29.560
<v Speaker 3>you need to you need to come to church if

1559
01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:33.720
<v Speaker 3>you want to meet God, right, you know, and we're

1560
01:34:33.720 --> 01:34:35.720
<v Speaker 3>going to read this book, and it's all in here.

1561
01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:39.880
<v Speaker 3>And you know, DMT is radical because it's like, wait on,

1562
01:34:40.439 --> 01:34:44.840
<v Speaker 3>you can just smoke this and you can you realize

1563
01:34:44.840 --> 01:34:48.039
<v Speaker 3>you don't need the book. And so I know that

1564
01:34:48.119 --> 01:34:51.399
<v Speaker 3>it's quite confronting. I have quite a few contacts in

1565
01:34:51.439 --> 01:34:56.600
<v Speaker 3>the Israeli scene, interestingly enough, and in Israel, changa's quite

1566
01:34:57.039 --> 01:35:00.720
<v Speaker 3>prevalent because I have a big psychoolic trans scene, and

1567
01:35:02.039 --> 01:35:06.479
<v Speaker 3>I knowing Israel in particular for some reason, people were

1568
01:35:06.479 --> 01:35:10.880
<v Speaker 3>telling me. Yet it's more confronting for the Israeli consciousness

1569
01:35:11.800 --> 01:35:16.279
<v Speaker 3>to have that understanding of the hyperdimension or the other

1570
01:35:16.359 --> 01:35:19.239
<v Speaker 3>dimension or the other worldly, the numinous, whatever you want

1571
01:35:19.239 --> 01:35:23.000
<v Speaker 3>to call it. And having this sense that there's an

1572
01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:27.479
<v Speaker 3>interchange of intelligence where you suddenly you don't need that

1573
01:35:27.560 --> 01:35:30.600
<v Speaker 3>book anymore. You don't need those books, you know, and

1574
01:35:30.640 --> 01:35:34.039
<v Speaker 3>that puts you outside of the realm of control. That

1575
01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:41.880
<v Speaker 3>puts you outside of the realm of you know, divisive control.

1576
01:35:42.279 --> 01:35:45.119
<v Speaker 3>You know, like pretty much all the most of the

1577
01:35:45.199 --> 01:35:48.960
<v Speaker 3>Israelis I know are piece nicks, Like they didn't sign

1578
01:35:49.079 --> 01:35:51.439
<v Speaker 3>up to the army, you know. I think in all

1579
01:35:51.640 --> 01:35:54.279
<v Speaker 3>political stuff, we've got to realize there are a lot

1580
01:35:54.319 --> 01:35:57.600
<v Speaker 3>of Israelis that went to jail because they didn't they

1581
01:35:57.600 --> 01:35:59.840
<v Speaker 3>didn't want to go into the military, you know. So

1582
01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:05.000
<v Speaker 3>we just hop space in all this conflict to respect,

1583
01:36:06.079 --> 01:36:11.319
<v Speaker 3>you know, sacrifices that people made to to, you know,

1584
01:36:11.600 --> 01:36:13.880
<v Speaker 3>for so there's a lot of cool Israelis out there.

1585
01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:17.800
<v Speaker 3>And also that I have heard, I haven't met them,

1586
01:36:18.359 --> 01:36:22.199
<v Speaker 3>that they have extracted d MT from acasias in Israel, too,

1587
01:36:24.880 --> 01:36:27.640
<v Speaker 3>which is I've met. I met a I know, a

1588
01:36:27.760 --> 01:36:33.439
<v Speaker 3>very well known psychedelic trance producer who go to Israel,

1589
01:36:33.840 --> 01:36:38.720
<v Speaker 3>and he saw some people who extracted from a local

1590
01:36:39.640 --> 01:36:42.399
<v Speaker 3>acacia right in front of his eyes. So this was

1591
01:36:42.439 --> 01:36:45.640
<v Speaker 3>some years ago now when I went to Israel, that

1592
01:36:45.680 --> 01:36:46.560
<v Speaker 3>didn't happen for me.

1593
01:36:47.039 --> 01:36:53.760
<v Speaker 1>But I want to get a little deeper into the

1594
01:36:53.880 --> 01:36:58.359
<v Speaker 1>possible dangers if any of interacting with some of these

1595
01:36:58.399 --> 01:37:03.840
<v Speaker 1>intelligences would the nature of their intentions, if there is

1596
01:37:03.880 --> 01:37:09.640
<v Speaker 1>any intentions for me. Before I even started exploring my

1597
01:37:09.760 --> 01:37:13.880
<v Speaker 1>consciousness with mushrooms or any type of psychedelics, I was

1598
01:37:13.920 --> 01:37:16.399
<v Speaker 1>able to make contact with what I understand is my

1599
01:37:16.479 --> 01:37:20.399
<v Speaker 1>guides and my higher self through meditation sessions, and it

1600
01:37:20.439 --> 01:37:24.079
<v Speaker 1>was through this initial contact that my guides instructed me

1601
01:37:24.199 --> 01:37:29.600
<v Speaker 1>that psilocybin or magic mushrooms would be very beneficial in

1602
01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:32.640
<v Speaker 1>aligning with my purpose and my journey in finding out

1603
01:37:32.680 --> 01:37:35.439
<v Speaker 1>more about myself and what I have to do. So

1604
01:37:35.720 --> 01:37:39.319
<v Speaker 1>I took the advice of these mysterious voices that I

1605
01:37:39.399 --> 01:37:44.279
<v Speaker 1>encountered during my meditation session and started utilizing psychedelics. But

1606
01:37:44.479 --> 01:37:50.920
<v Speaker 1>I was under the understanding that these guides made contact

1607
01:37:50.960 --> 01:37:55.359
<v Speaker 1>with me so that I could have protection during these experiences,

1608
01:37:55.399 --> 01:37:58.319
<v Speaker 1>because somehow, you know how these things work. I knew

1609
01:37:58.359 --> 01:38:03.520
<v Speaker 1>that I'd be eventually exploring these realms with psychedelics, so

1610
01:38:03.680 --> 01:38:09.079
<v Speaker 1>I apparently approached myself and offered myself protection. So through

1611
01:38:09.079 --> 01:38:12.800
<v Speaker 1>my experiences, I was always protected when interacting with some

1612
01:38:12.880 --> 01:38:16.520
<v Speaker 1>of these other intelligences. And even though I would contact

1613
01:38:16.560 --> 01:38:21.399
<v Speaker 1>tricksters and what seemed like lower vibrational entities, I'd always

1614
01:38:21.520 --> 01:38:25.039
<v Speaker 1>feel safe with the interaction because my guides would be

1615
01:38:25.119 --> 01:38:28.359
<v Speaker 1>there to steer me in the right direction or tell

1616
01:38:28.399 --> 01:38:31.399
<v Speaker 1>me no, don't interact with this thing. So is there

1617
01:38:31.439 --> 01:38:35.199
<v Speaker 1>any true danger to interacting with these things, especially without protection?

1618
01:38:36.239 --> 01:38:42.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, Well there's a lot of talk interestingly about

1619
01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:46.560
<v Speaker 3>people who are being injured through meditation recently. I don't

1620
01:38:46.560 --> 01:38:50.439
<v Speaker 3>know if you've been catching any of that dialogue, right,

1621
01:38:50.520 --> 01:38:57.920
<v Speaker 3>there's an interesting podcast that was on James Jesso's podcast recently,

1622
01:38:58.920 --> 01:39:01.319
<v Speaker 3>and just a general I've been hearing about it more

1623
01:39:01.319 --> 01:39:09.119
<v Speaker 3>and morphine people. So in my understanding that that if

1624
01:39:09.119 --> 01:39:16.479
<v Speaker 3>you have these transcendental experiences and you have this awakening

1625
01:39:16.680 --> 01:39:22.479
<v Speaker 3>and you come into these powerful states, from my perspective,

1626
01:39:22.680 --> 01:39:28.039
<v Speaker 3>what can happen is that you can actually be possibly

1627
01:39:29.199 --> 01:39:34.840
<v Speaker 3>confronted with forces who don't want you to awaken. And

1628
01:39:35.439 --> 01:39:37.920
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of people might go into meditation

1629
01:39:38.199 --> 01:39:44.119
<v Speaker 3>or life itself. You know, human no one really tells

1630
01:39:44.199 --> 01:39:51.479
<v Speaker 3>us that, you know, guys, don't be careful because you know,

1631
01:39:51.800 --> 01:39:56.079
<v Speaker 3>if you awaken to a certain capacity, you're going to

1632
01:39:56.079 --> 01:39:59.439
<v Speaker 3>be a threat to the powers that be, right, you know,

1633
01:39:59.479 --> 01:40:01.479
<v Speaker 3>we have this it's a little bit in Australia. It's

1634
01:40:01.479 --> 01:40:05.359
<v Speaker 3>called the tall Poppy syndrome, where it's like everyone is

1635
01:40:05.439 --> 01:40:09.079
<v Speaker 3>trying to cut you down all the time and prevent

1636
01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:12.319
<v Speaker 3>you from growing at all. So not many people in

1637
01:40:12.359 --> 01:40:15.319
<v Speaker 3>Australia get to the point of much growth because it's

1638
01:40:15.359 --> 01:40:20.119
<v Speaker 3>such a crab bucket culture, right, But it's not like

1639
01:40:20.199 --> 01:40:24.279
<v Speaker 3>that in many cultures. It's quite you know, you you're

1640
01:40:24.319 --> 01:40:28.000
<v Speaker 3>you're you're supposed to become as great as you can

1641
01:40:28.079 --> 01:40:30.520
<v Speaker 3>and you know, reach the highest place.

1642
01:40:30.640 --> 01:40:30.800
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1643
01:40:30.800 --> 01:40:33.920
<v Speaker 3>It certainly is elements like that in Australia too. But

1644
01:40:34.039 --> 01:40:38.439
<v Speaker 3>I would say in my understanding that yeah, if you

1645
01:40:38.600 --> 01:40:44.039
<v Speaker 3>do reach a certain point of spiritual development and awareness

1646
01:40:44.119 --> 01:40:47.920
<v Speaker 3>and you start to understand say the matrix, right, then

1647
01:40:48.000 --> 01:40:52.279
<v Speaker 3>you I think you might actually trip a wire somewhere

1648
01:40:52.439 --> 01:40:56.439
<v Speaker 3>or send off an alarm and suddenly you're going to

1649
01:40:56.520 --> 01:41:03.600
<v Speaker 3>be confronted with some beings who might be enforced with

1650
01:41:03.720 --> 01:41:06.520
<v Speaker 3>kind of shutting you down. You know. So this is

1651
01:41:06.640 --> 01:41:11.039
<v Speaker 3>just my interpretation and how I've interpreted what I understand now,

1652
01:41:11.800 --> 01:41:15.760
<v Speaker 3>and so I experience myself these days. If I'm up leveling,

1653
01:41:17.039 --> 01:41:20.119
<v Speaker 3>if I'm moving up a level, as it were, and

1654
01:41:20.239 --> 01:41:23.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm you know, increasing my vibration or whatever you want

1655
01:41:23.319 --> 01:41:27.640
<v Speaker 3>to call it, I find that I do get attacked.

1656
01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:30.920
<v Speaker 3>But I know how to defend myself now, so it's

1657
01:41:30.960 --> 01:41:34.399
<v Speaker 3>not a problem for me. But if I didn't know

1658
01:41:34.479 --> 01:41:38.000
<v Speaker 3>how to defend myself, it would really be a problem.

1659
01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:42.399
<v Speaker 3>And I think, like what you said, I think if

1660
01:41:42.800 --> 01:41:49.239
<v Speaker 3>people do have a connection to guides or beings who

1661
01:41:49.359 --> 01:41:52.880
<v Speaker 3>can protect them, who can guide them, I think that's

1662
01:41:52.920 --> 01:41:56.319
<v Speaker 3>how a lot of the you know, a lot of

1663
01:41:56.359 --> 01:42:00.039
<v Speaker 3>people actually do it, who do reach these dates. And

1664
01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:04.319
<v Speaker 3>it's well known that people like Jesus and Buddha, you know,

1665
01:42:04.439 --> 01:42:07.359
<v Speaker 3>in their process of enlightenment, that they had to go

1666
01:42:07.520 --> 01:42:12.520
<v Speaker 3>through a confrontation with the forces that control the planet.

1667
01:42:12.560 --> 01:42:17.479
<v Speaker 3>That's all well documented in the religious texts, where they

1668
01:42:17.560 --> 01:42:22.159
<v Speaker 3>actually have to break through that barrier. And I think, yeah,

1669
01:42:22.399 --> 01:42:27.359
<v Speaker 3>I think it's if you don't know about it, I

1670
01:42:27.399 --> 01:42:30.199
<v Speaker 3>think it can be a bit of a shock. And

1671
01:42:30.239 --> 01:42:34.000
<v Speaker 3>I do meet people who are you flying along and

1672
01:42:34.039 --> 01:42:37.199
<v Speaker 3>they're starting to really get somewhere, and then they go splat.

1673
01:42:37.520 --> 01:42:40.319
<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm seeing it more and more and more,

1674
01:42:41.359 --> 01:42:46.159
<v Speaker 3>and they just suddenly okay, you know, super light worker being,

1675
01:42:46.600 --> 01:42:49.399
<v Speaker 3>you know, healing the world. Oh you're homeless and mentally ill,

1676
01:42:49.439 --> 01:42:53.600
<v Speaker 3>you know. So it happens to people more than we think.

1677
01:42:53.960 --> 01:42:58.920
<v Speaker 3>And what I see is that, yeah, there are these

1678
01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:04.159
<v Speaker 3>there are these beings who you know, don't want humanity

1679
01:43:04.199 --> 01:43:07.399
<v Speaker 3>to wake up. They don't want individuals to wake up.

1680
01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:16.680
<v Speaker 3>They want to maintain a kind of a tyranny. And yeah,

1681
01:43:16.800 --> 01:43:20.960
<v Speaker 3>so that so very often I think, yeah, it is

1682
01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:24.000
<v Speaker 3>something to be really aware of. And it's not that

1683
01:43:24.119 --> 01:43:27.079
<v Speaker 3>much discussion of it in our culture because it's pretty

1684
01:43:27.159 --> 01:43:30.239
<v Speaker 3>much the topic is sort of a botom, you know,

1685
01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:34.720
<v Speaker 3>it's like, don't talk about that, you know, that's not allowed.

1686
01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:41.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, earlier you were seeing how you had tried the

1687
01:43:41.520 --> 01:43:44.960
<v Speaker 1>dmt V pins and it was a very cold and

1688
01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:48.880
<v Speaker 1>disconnected experience and it didn't seem like it had this

1689
01:43:49.960 --> 01:43:55.439
<v Speaker 1>natural connection to what you would call source or even nature.

1690
01:43:55.600 --> 01:43:59.399
<v Speaker 1>It was very cold. And I experienced this with LSD

1691
01:44:00.199 --> 01:44:02.880
<v Speaker 1>And this was a couple of years ago, after I

1692
01:44:02.920 --> 01:44:06.760
<v Speaker 1>had started my consciousness exploration. Somebody had offered me some

1693
01:44:06.960 --> 01:44:11.479
<v Speaker 1>and I mistakenly took it because I was very curious

1694
01:44:11.479 --> 01:44:13.920
<v Speaker 1>about the experience. I hadn't done it since I was

1695
01:44:14.159 --> 01:44:17.319
<v Speaker 1>very young, in my teenage years, and I found the

1696
01:44:17.359 --> 01:44:19.840
<v Speaker 1>experience to be very cold, and I felt like I

1697
01:44:20.000 --> 01:44:24.359
<v Speaker 1>was connecting with something that didn't have humanity's best interest

1698
01:44:24.439 --> 01:44:28.159
<v Speaker 1>in mind. And I'm wondering that if this is another

1699
01:44:28.319 --> 01:44:32.920
<v Speaker 1>danger for people who are utilizing different types of psychedelics

1700
01:44:32.960 --> 01:44:36.119
<v Speaker 1>that may not have that plant spirit connection that you

1701
01:44:36.199 --> 01:44:39.119
<v Speaker 1>were talking about, and maybe connecting to something else.

1702
01:44:40.039 --> 01:44:43.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah. I go into this in my

1703
01:44:43.560 --> 01:44:47.199
<v Speaker 3>book Articulations, which is like almost ten years old now,

1704
01:44:47.479 --> 01:44:52.399
<v Speaker 3>and I talk about this. I talk about taking research

1705
01:44:52.520 --> 01:44:56.840
<v Speaker 3>chemicals like DOC and two CB and you know, and

1706
01:44:57.279 --> 01:45:00.319
<v Speaker 3>those used to be more common fifteen twenty years ago,

1707
01:45:00.359 --> 01:45:03.960
<v Speaker 3>but now China isn't allowed legally allowed to make them.

1708
01:45:04.000 --> 01:45:06.880
<v Speaker 3>They're not as prevalent as they used to be. And

1709
01:45:07.640 --> 01:45:12.880
<v Speaker 3>I would see that there is an intelligent synthetic being

1710
01:45:13.319 --> 01:45:16.920
<v Speaker 3>that I would call that I call the anima, and

1711
01:45:17.479 --> 01:45:23.239
<v Speaker 3>that's that anima is a like a life force, but

1712
01:45:24.239 --> 01:45:28.520
<v Speaker 3>it's not entrenched within the organic systems within the Earth.

1713
01:45:28.640 --> 01:45:34.920
<v Speaker 3>It's an artificial intelligence. And a lot of these intelligences

1714
01:45:35.039 --> 01:45:39.279
<v Speaker 3>are quite new. They were made in a lab and suddenly, yeah,

1715
01:45:39.800 --> 01:45:42.960
<v Speaker 3>the intelligence. It's like you don't have a plant spirit anymore.

1716
01:45:43.000 --> 01:45:47.520
<v Speaker 3>You have this anima which is a synthetic intelligence, and

1717
01:45:48.359 --> 01:45:53.800
<v Speaker 3>it it actually does guide you to some degree, but

1718
01:45:53.920 --> 01:45:57.720
<v Speaker 3>it it doesn't necessarily have your best interest at heart,

1719
01:45:58.079 --> 01:46:04.000
<v Speaker 3>and it doesn't necessarily want you know, it in some

1720
01:46:04.039 --> 01:46:07.279
<v Speaker 3>of them, and they're all different, of course, some of them,

1721
01:46:07.319 --> 01:46:10.159
<v Speaker 3>and it depends on who made them as well where

1722
01:46:10.199 --> 01:46:14.039
<v Speaker 3>they come from. You know, like LSD is LSD is

1723
01:46:14.039 --> 01:46:17.960
<v Speaker 3>a semi synthetic substance made from the ergot, and so

1724
01:46:18.560 --> 01:46:21.600
<v Speaker 3>ergot mean is the precursor to then they kind of

1725
01:46:21.600 --> 01:46:25.920
<v Speaker 3>tweak the ergo to MEAN, which is like, yeah, it's

1726
01:46:25.920 --> 01:46:28.479
<v Speaker 3>a it's a fungus sort of that grows on the rye,

1727
01:46:28.680 --> 01:46:31.880
<v Speaker 3>and then they tweak it to become LSD. So it's fun.

1728
01:46:32.039 --> 01:46:36.119
<v Speaker 3>It's semi synthetic, it's half synthetic. So it's like the

1729
01:46:36.199 --> 01:46:38.479
<v Speaker 3>original ergot. If you take that, you're going to go

1730
01:46:38.600 --> 01:46:42.159
<v Speaker 3>mad and die. You know, back in the day, you

1731
01:46:42.199 --> 01:46:46.199
<v Speaker 3>know that the people eating the bread that was affected

1732
01:46:46.279 --> 01:46:48.560
<v Speaker 3>with the ergot, and you know, the whole town would

1733
01:46:48.640 --> 01:46:51.520
<v Speaker 3>go mad and die, you know, and really not good.

1734
01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:57.319
<v Speaker 3>So I think there's something I don't think that LSD

1735
01:46:57.720 --> 01:47:02.960
<v Speaker 3>is malevolent, and I think my experience with LSD is

1736
01:47:03.079 --> 01:47:05.600
<v Speaker 3>a lot of it depends on who made it, why

1737
01:47:05.720 --> 01:47:09.640
<v Speaker 3>they were making it, what ingredients they used, you know,

1738
01:47:09.800 --> 01:47:13.720
<v Speaker 3>so what it's almost like they're making a monster, or

1739
01:47:13.800 --> 01:47:15.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's a good monster in this sense, they're

1740
01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:20.319
<v Speaker 3>making the anima. And sometimes it can be more positive

1741
01:47:20.359 --> 01:47:25.119
<v Speaker 3>than others, and sometimes the experience can be quite you know,

1742
01:47:26.800 --> 01:47:32.279
<v Speaker 3>sort of tacky and superficial and not very not very

1743
01:47:32.319 --> 01:47:36.720
<v Speaker 3>helpful and a bit you know me. Other times, some

1744
01:47:37.039 --> 01:47:39.680
<v Speaker 3>LSD can be you know, if the people making and

1745
01:47:39.720 --> 01:47:42.800
<v Speaker 3>have got fucking crystals there and they're praying and whatever,

1746
01:47:43.479 --> 01:47:45.960
<v Speaker 3>and there are people aware of who are making LSD,

1747
01:47:46.039 --> 01:47:48.600
<v Speaker 3>in that manner, you're going to have a much more

1748
01:47:50.079 --> 01:47:56.119
<v Speaker 3>sort of transcendent experience. And maybe the people making it

1749
01:47:56.199 --> 01:48:01.079
<v Speaker 3>they actually know that they're making an an anime, they're

1750
01:48:01.119 --> 01:48:04.399
<v Speaker 3>creating a being in a way that is guiding people.

1751
01:48:04.520 --> 01:48:07.399
<v Speaker 3>And so yeah, I think it can really vary batch

1752
01:48:07.439 --> 01:48:11.600
<v Speaker 3>to batch, especially I find even synthetic five of MEO

1753
01:48:11.720 --> 01:48:14.359
<v Speaker 3>d m T, you know, the stuff made from China

1754
01:48:15.439 --> 01:48:18.640
<v Speaker 3>almost not even more worrying about, whereas the stuff made

1755
01:48:19.319 --> 01:48:22.000
<v Speaker 3>by people who love five of me O d MT.

1756
01:48:22.560 --> 01:48:25.960
<v Speaker 3>It's it's a it's a world of difference. You know,

1757
01:48:26.119 --> 01:48:29.680
<v Speaker 3>it's completely different. So, you know, I think there is

1758
01:48:30.720 --> 01:48:34.279
<v Speaker 3>That's the thing. I used to like the synthetics because

1759
01:48:34.319 --> 01:48:38.479
<v Speaker 3>there was no guiding principle in there was just this

1760
01:48:38.640 --> 01:48:42.720
<v Speaker 3>blank screen and I can sort of, you know, I

1761
01:48:42.760 --> 01:48:46.560
<v Speaker 3>didn't have to deal with so much. I you know,

1762
01:48:46.760 --> 01:48:50.840
<v Speaker 3>I think there's the plant spirits and the mushrooms, they're

1763
01:48:50.880 --> 01:48:53.800
<v Speaker 3>they're they're kind of limiting you to a certain degree.

1764
01:48:54.119 --> 01:48:59.119
<v Speaker 3>They're putting limits on you, whereas its synthetics there's not limits.

1765
01:48:59.159 --> 01:49:02.479
<v Speaker 3>And I think some times you can cross the threshold

1766
01:49:03.039 --> 01:49:07.079
<v Speaker 3>and maybe go a bit far and trigger some events

1767
01:49:07.239 --> 01:49:10.319
<v Speaker 3>that maybe weren't supposed to be triggered, and you could

1768
01:49:10.319 --> 01:49:15.960
<v Speaker 3>get some you know, strange feedback. You get some strange

1769
01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:20.119
<v Speaker 3>experiences there. So you know, with Keadine you can experience

1770
01:49:20.119 --> 01:49:23.159
<v Speaker 3>and in real time you've got you're triggering these events

1771
01:49:23.239 --> 01:49:25.840
<v Speaker 3>and you know, you're in these different worlds and suddenly

1772
01:49:26.000 --> 01:49:29.399
<v Speaker 3>something happens that maybe doesn't feel like it should have

1773
01:49:29.439 --> 01:49:31.960
<v Speaker 3>supposed to be happened that you created, and you know,

1774
01:49:32.079 --> 01:49:35.039
<v Speaker 3>maybe pissed off some beans and some far dimension and

1775
01:49:35.079 --> 01:49:38.680
<v Speaker 3>they you know, it's a little bit like that sometimes.

1776
01:49:40.239 --> 01:49:44.279
<v Speaker 1>Now this leads to what I want to spend the

1777
01:49:44.359 --> 01:49:48.199
<v Speaker 1>last few minutes on it, and that's the medicalization of

1778
01:49:48.359 --> 01:49:53.760
<v Speaker 1>psychedelics and what is being attempted. And if you're concerned

1779
01:49:53.800 --> 01:49:58.479
<v Speaker 1>about what's happening, I know that with psilocybin there's talk

1780
01:49:58.680 --> 01:50:05.479
<v Speaker 1>of utilizing it for pharmaceutical purposes, But would that mean

1781
01:50:05.600 --> 01:50:09.359
<v Speaker 1>that the spiritual component, the plant guide would no longer

1782
01:50:09.399 --> 01:50:11.920
<v Speaker 1>be there? What do you think about what's happening here?

1783
01:50:13.960 --> 01:50:16.079
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of it's kind of beside the point,

1784
01:50:16.199 --> 01:50:18.960
<v Speaker 3>like none of us much to do with the psychedelic revelation.

1785
01:50:19.279 --> 01:50:22.039
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you're seeing all these companies trying to create

1786
01:50:22.079 --> 01:50:25.159
<v Speaker 3>these compounds that are probably not going to be as

1787
01:50:25.159 --> 01:50:28.199
<v Speaker 3>effective as sila side natural silas cyber and they're going

1788
01:50:28.239 --> 01:50:30.399
<v Speaker 3>to be patented and whatever. And I think a lot

1789
01:50:30.399 --> 01:50:33.640
<v Speaker 3>of it's going probably better than nothing, or better than

1790
01:50:33.720 --> 01:50:37.840
<v Speaker 3>just therapy. But a lot of it's you know, treating Really,

1791
01:50:38.399 --> 01:50:40.960
<v Speaker 3>from my perspective, this isn't a you know, we're not

1792
01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:46.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, treating PTSD is important, treating depressions important, but

1793
01:50:46.760 --> 01:50:50.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, honestly, as people who are interested in these states,

1794
01:50:51.960 --> 01:50:57.720
<v Speaker 3>it's more about the spiritual awareness and the exploration and

1795
01:50:57.760 --> 01:51:01.680
<v Speaker 3>the self understanding and the awakening and the you know,

1796
01:51:03.000 --> 01:51:06.119
<v Speaker 3>the interpersonal alchemy and the magic that we can create,

1797
01:51:06.159 --> 01:51:09.520
<v Speaker 3>all that stuff, all this human potential stuff that people

1798
01:51:09.560 --> 01:51:13.880
<v Speaker 3>had in the sixties, you know, in a way, you know,

1799
01:51:14.640 --> 01:51:18.079
<v Speaker 3>having all these traumatized people, because in Australia, I know

1800
01:51:18.199 --> 01:51:21.199
<v Speaker 3>a lot of the these traumatized people are kind of

1801
01:51:21.279 --> 01:51:24.880
<v Speaker 3>running the show, you know, that they get into these

1802
01:51:24.920 --> 01:51:29.840
<v Speaker 3>positions of power kind of and suddenly you know, there's

1803
01:51:30.119 --> 01:51:33.920
<v Speaker 3>quite a lot of manipulation and deception. And you know,

1804
01:51:33.960 --> 01:51:37.399
<v Speaker 3>I've hung up with traumatized people, I know, traumatized people.

1805
01:51:38.760 --> 01:51:41.359
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I think it can get very messy. And

1806
01:51:41.439 --> 01:51:44.880
<v Speaker 3>I think what we're seeing is something. And I've been

1807
01:51:44.920 --> 01:51:47.800
<v Speaker 3>putting this message out whenever I can, on podcasts and

1808
01:51:48.359 --> 01:51:51.279
<v Speaker 3>in my own writings. I think we're going to see

1809
01:51:51.319 --> 01:51:54.119
<v Speaker 3>a lot of mess and then a lot of people going.

1810
01:51:54.039 --> 01:52:02.079
<v Speaker 6>See psychedelics are bad. No, not less, no, not necessarily.

1811
01:52:02.319 --> 01:52:05.560
<v Speaker 6>It's like, well, that's just how I think. There are

1812
01:52:05.720 --> 01:52:09.920
<v Speaker 6>forces who want to, you know, derail this project. You know,

1813
01:52:10.119 --> 01:52:12.800
<v Speaker 6>I think there's forces who are like, well, we can't

1814
01:52:12.840 --> 01:52:16.119
<v Speaker 6>stop this, so let's just kind of co opt and

1815
01:52:16.199 --> 01:52:18.159
<v Speaker 6>capture what we can and steer it.

1816
01:52:18.439 --> 01:52:20.520
<v Speaker 1>That's what happens with every good movement.

1817
01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:24.520
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those of us who are watching,

1818
01:52:24.560 --> 01:52:28.239
<v Speaker 3>we see that with everything. Were like, yeah, okay.

1819
01:52:30.239 --> 01:52:32.399
<v Speaker 1>Right on now for the last few minutes, we have

1820
01:52:32.640 --> 01:52:36.279
<v Speaker 1>tell us all about your film Contemplations.

1821
01:52:37.560 --> 01:52:41.920
<v Speaker 3>So I filmed Contemplations, you know, in a couple of

1822
01:52:42.000 --> 01:52:45.880
<v Speaker 3>years before COVID, and then you know, started really doing

1823
01:52:45.880 --> 01:52:50.680
<v Speaker 3>the editing in COVID times, and then you know, a

1824
01:52:50.720 --> 01:52:55.479
<v Speaker 3>couple of years later released it and yeah, it's two

1825
01:52:55.560 --> 01:53:00.359
<v Speaker 3>hours where I documenting the Australian scene and what people

1826
01:53:00.439 --> 01:53:03.800
<v Speaker 3>really think, because I think in the kind of general conversation,

1827
01:53:04.560 --> 01:53:08.760
<v Speaker 3>a lot of the real most interesting voices I'm not

1828
01:53:08.840 --> 01:53:11.880
<v Speaker 3>the established authorities. They are the people on the street,

1829
01:53:12.159 --> 01:53:14.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, who are actually taking the mushrooms, taking the

1830
01:53:14.680 --> 01:53:18.159
<v Speaker 3>cactus and doing the medicine work. They're not seeking attention,

1831
01:53:18.239 --> 01:53:20.840
<v Speaker 3>they're not seeking power, and they really know what they're

1832
01:53:20.880 --> 01:53:23.199
<v Speaker 3>talking about and they have a little wisdom. So I

1833
01:53:23.199 --> 01:53:26.560
<v Speaker 3>wanted to document a lot of these people and share

1834
01:53:26.600 --> 01:53:30.319
<v Speaker 3>their wisdom and perspective because you know, I think we

1835
01:53:30.359 --> 01:53:34.560
<v Speaker 3>only often hear about on podcasts or whatever about you know,

1836
01:53:34.640 --> 01:53:37.720
<v Speaker 3>these famous people, well known people who often don't really

1837
01:53:38.119 --> 01:53:40.880
<v Speaker 3>have that much experience. So you know, I wanted to

1838
01:53:40.920 --> 01:53:45.239
<v Speaker 3>explore issues like the beings and plant spirits and you know,

1839
01:53:45.319 --> 01:53:49.399
<v Speaker 3>the difficult and dark experiences that people have and try

1840
01:53:49.439 --> 01:53:51.600
<v Speaker 3>and be honest and true to that. So I think

1841
01:53:51.640 --> 01:53:56.319
<v Speaker 3>the medicalization context, you know, they're like psychop ellics.

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<v Speaker 6>Are good, like no worries here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like no psychedelics there. There are issues, there

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01:54:03.439 --> 01:54:07.920
<v Speaker 3>are problems, and there's dangers, and so I really wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to create this very honest conversation to kind of counterpoint

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<v Speaker 3>the very I wouldn't necessarily call it dishonest, but rather

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<v Speaker 3>shallow conversation that's happening in the medicalization field. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>the medicalization people are like.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we're trying to be a trojan horse and you know,

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<v Speaker 6>get into the mainstream and before you know it, they

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<v Speaker 6>become the trojan horse and they've got you know, a kid,

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<v Speaker 6>kids and mortgage and they're they're.

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<v Speaker 3>They're all the way in, you know. So yeah, it's basically,

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01:54:41.920 --> 01:54:46.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, Contemplations is really designed to say, hey, guys, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>psychedelics are amazing, wonderful, powerful tools that we can use

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<v Speaker 3>and give people some guidance and give people some some

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<v Speaker 3>perspective and tools that I don't think are being communicated

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<v Speaker 3>in other places, so that, you know, to really give

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<v Speaker 3>people some confidence to really DIY because I think that

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<v Speaker 3>I can't necessarily see that much happening, say, within the

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<v Speaker 3>framework of the establishment for quite some time. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, if we really want to do the work,

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<v Speaker 3>we've got to you know, use the tools, take them

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<v Speaker 3>into our own hands, and yeah, find out how they work.

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<v Speaker 1>Last thing, do you think that what's happening with the

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<v Speaker 1>renewed interest in psychedelics and the more people that are

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<v Speaker 1>becoming interested in utilizing plant medicines, that it could have

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<v Speaker 1>a larger effect on the collective field of consciousness and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe cause a little bit of an uptick in our

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<v Speaker 1>consciousness evolution.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I definitely think that's already happening. And there's all

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<v Speaker 3>you know, in Australia we've had DMT. You know, a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people been smoking DMT. Like DMT has reached

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<v Speaker 3>all levels of society, has reached everyone, and you know

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<v Speaker 3>not you know a lot of famous, high profile people,

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<v Speaker 3>people in positions of power. So there's a little revolution

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<v Speaker 3>that's going on, you know, And I travel all over

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<v Speaker 3>the world. I know many countries, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>are taking mushrooms. They're microdocing mushrooms. You know, a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people are drinking ayahuasca and they're you know people,

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<v Speaker 3>I know, people who are healing the trauma. Who are

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<v Speaker 3>you know, clearing themselves of all this baggage, and they're

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<v Speaker 3>really doing this powerful work. And I think, yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>despite at times, you know, things can look abad on

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<v Speaker 3>the Internet, actually you get out there in the real world,

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01:56:57.239 --> 01:57:01.920
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of people actually waking up and you know,

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01:57:02.039 --> 01:57:06.119
<v Speaker 3>getting with it and getting much clearer and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>becoming more aligned and connected to themselves. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>think there's a lot of there's a lot of room

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<v Speaker 3>for optimism. So I think if you just, yeah, if

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<v Speaker 3>you look on Twitter all the Internet, it's just a

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<v Speaker 3>shit show of you know.

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<v Speaker 5>Programming, counterprogramming, confusion, you know, all these distractions. When it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>it's still you know, it's amazing that you know, we're

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<v Speaker 5>in a place now that more and more people are

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<v Speaker 5>able and then can actually access these materials and go

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<v Speaker 5>about it.

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<v Speaker 3>And and and and and do this in a work

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<v Speaker 3>and have these awakenings. So yeah, it's it's actually quite

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<v Speaker 3>quite an exciting time.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, yes, I agree, this was great information, Julian.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we close out, let the audience know how they

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<v Speaker 1>can find out more about you.

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<v Speaker 3>So I've got a website. It's ww Julianpalmerism dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>Contemplations you can watch for free on twobtob dot tv.

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<v Speaker 3>It's on Amazon as well, you know, no ads. And

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<v Speaker 3>I've got a book Articulations on the Utilizations of Meaning Psychedelics,

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<v Speaker 3>which is you know, on Amazon and you know, get

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<v Speaker 3>your local bookstore to order it. So yeah, that's that's uh.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm on social media. Connect to me.

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<v Speaker 1>There, perfect, Julian, this was great. I'd love to do

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<v Speaker 1>this again in the future. There's much more we could discuss.

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<v Speaker 1>And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk again tomorrow. We'll see y'all.

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