Speaker 1: Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today,
Speaker 1: I want to welcome back to the show Stephen Status.
Speaker 1: He is host and producer of bgcast podcast. He has
Speaker 1: dedicated his life to understanding the nature of human consciousness,
Speaker 1: the nature of reality, true human origins, and the occult
Speaker 1: nature of our governments.
Speaker 2: And global establishments.
Speaker 1: He has recently started a new business, BEG Body, Mind
Speaker 1: and Spirit, where he offers life coaching, Kundalini yoga classes,
Speaker 1: breathwork classes, total body mind spirit health programs, personal training,
Speaker 1: and much more. Steven, welcome back. How you doing good man?
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me back on. It's good to be
Speaker 2: back on the show. And things have been rather interesting lately,
Speaker 2: very very interesting and strange.
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I am definitely excited to get into
Speaker 1: that as well as talk about your can you business.
Speaker 1: Super excited about that, as well as some of the
Speaker 1: modalities you're working with and going to be offering. You
Speaker 1: also had a very profound experience with Mister Toad's Wild
Speaker 1: Ride aka Buffo. Looking forward to hearing about that. I
Speaker 1: myself have never experiences before. I might try it one day,
Speaker 1: but I'd love to hear about your experience. Lots to
Speaker 1: get to. Before we get to any of that, just
Speaker 1: remind the audience a little bit about yourself and let
Speaker 1: them know where they can find your show and more
Speaker 1: about you.
Speaker 2: Definitely, man, definitely.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: I'm Stephen of bgcast. I'm the owner of bg cast.
Speaker 2: I'm part of the Forbidden Knowledge Network along with Chris here,
Speaker 2: and we are a podcast that covers the Great Awakening
Speaker 2: and everything it entails. I specialize in the nature of
Speaker 2: human consciousness, the nature of this reality, true human origins,
Speaker 2: the occult nature of our governments and global lablishments. I
Speaker 2: also specialize in psychedelics and Kundalini yoga. So I'm very
Speaker 2: very well rounded, a jack of all trades here. So
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, it's it's been an interesting ride to
Speaker 2: say it right right on.
Speaker 1: Well, before we get into your recent experiences and talking
Speaker 1: about what you're offering people now at your business, how
Speaker 1: do you feel about how everything has been unfolding, political theater,
Speaker 1: the breakdown of sanity within society, AI taking over our
Speaker 1: social media and complete lives. What are your thoughts on everything?
Speaker 2: Well, this is all you know. What I can really
Speaker 2: say about it, Chris is this is we are in
Speaker 2: a very strange unknown and uncharted territory for this current
Speaker 2: batch of humanity we we have entered. And it's even
Speaker 2: crazy too, man, because I've been I do think we're
Speaker 2: getting some kind of one hundredth monkey backed out of
Speaker 2: all of this too, Because as of lately, man, I've
Speaker 2: been having people you would consider asleep, people you consider
Speaker 2: normies coming up to me and asking me, does everything
Speaker 2: feel fake to you?
Speaker 3: Does?
Speaker 2: Does everything? Does time feel off? Does everything? And of course,
Speaker 2: on the inside I'm like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: this is awesome, but you know, I'm playing at koy.
Speaker 2: On the outside, I'm like, oh, oh, what do you mean, Explain? Explain.
Speaker 2: But I feel we're getting pushed, We're getting compressed, we're
Speaker 2: getting nudged to awaken, you know, in a collective sense
Speaker 2: as well. I mean, you know, some of the stuff
Speaker 2: that we're seeing going down is at least in my opinion,
Speaker 2: is so blatantly either staged or doctored. It's becoming very,
Speaker 2: very obvious. And at this point, I think it's only
Speaker 2: a matter of time before we start having more people
Speaker 2: asking the question, does everything feel fake to you? What's
Speaker 2: going on with time? Why does everything feel like a show?
Speaker 2: Because ultimately it is man. So as of right now,
Speaker 2: we're just in a very strange, unknown and uncharted territory.
Speaker 1: I wonder how much is actually a show in a
Speaker 1: sense that it is thought out, it is planned, its
Speaker 1: theater for the masses, And how much is actually synchronistic
Speaker 1: surfing in a sense that there is a level of
Speaker 1: awareness of the desired outcome that the parasitic ruling class
Speaker 1: as you would call it, wants to have. So maybe
Speaker 1: there's some ritualistic aspects behind things, Maybe there's a series
Speaker 1: of events that they have to follow in order to
Speaker 1: get a certain outcome. But I wonder how much of
Speaker 1: it is actually known to the players involved, especially politicians,
Speaker 1: people at lower levels. It works together too well at times,
Speaker 1: it seems for it to be playing and buy humans
Speaker 1: in a sense, what do you think?
Speaker 2: I know what you mean? So, so I honestly feel
Speaker 2: it's a culmination of things. It very well could be.
Speaker 2: One of the things I would I would say in
Speaker 2: this is we can't discount the work that we've been
Speaker 2: doing in altering the energy and our collective consciousness. So
Speaker 2: one of the big reasons why we're here, at least
Speaker 2: in my opinion, is we are here through our work
Speaker 2: that we're doing, whether we're doing podcasting, I mean, all
Speaker 2: of us are on our spiritual evolution for the most part.
Speaker 2: You know, we're doing the healing, we're doing the inner work,
Speaker 2: we're doing consciousness exploration. We're opening ourselves up to these
Speaker 2: different and bigger layers.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: And that's one of the things I like to say.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of people say pierce the veil,
Speaker 2: and you know, one of the biggest things I can say,
Speaker 2: if there's more than one veil in this whole, in
Speaker 2: this whole thing, you know, there's many layers to the illusion.
Speaker 2: And as you open yourself up more, you start to
Speaker 2: see these new layers. You start to kind of break
Speaker 2: through into this and you'll get new information, and you know,
Speaker 2: we're here to terraform the frequencies of this planet. We
Speaker 2: are through our spiritual work, and I do think we
Speaker 2: also have a hand in potentially some of the stuff
Speaker 2: that's happening as well. You know, one, through our free will,
Speaker 2: we accept a lot of what's going on, we allow
Speaker 2: it to but through terraforming this planet into the higher frequencies,
Speaker 2: we're going to set the stage for more of what
Speaker 2: I would call these awakening events to start to occur
Speaker 2: and start to manifest. So I do think we have
Speaker 2: a hand in it. I you know, as far as
Speaker 2: it being too coordinated to be staged, I mean, there
Speaker 2: could very well be an extra dimensional presence that's involved
Speaker 2: that's kind of assisting in this the at least in
Speaker 2: my opinion. I mean, what it is or who it is,
Speaker 2: we can speculate all day long. But you know, some
Speaker 2: of it does seem to cut and dry to be staged.
Speaker 2: But then again, you know, you and I were talking
Speaker 2: about on the FKA panel, how you know that whole
Speaker 2: Elon and Trump fight, you know what I mean, how
Speaker 2: they were going off and behind the Steanes pallateer. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, put in that mass surveillance system or the
Speaker 2: mass surveillance program for you know, American citizens, and we
Speaker 2: know that they're working for enemy surveillance. So that kind
Speaker 2: of makes you wonder. So I think it's really it's
Speaker 2: it's it's a little bit of a culmination of things. Man,
Speaker 2: it's us, you know, the work we're doing here. You know,
Speaker 2: people accepting narratives and ideologies through their own free will,
Speaker 2: and when you have uh, the way these parasit those
Speaker 2: parasitsitic ruling class works. Is when you have enough people
Speaker 2: buy into this ideology, this trend, thought of this narrative,
Speaker 2: it makes it easier for them to manifest it and
Speaker 2: make it come forth. So so really it's to me,
Speaker 2: you know, well, guess everything might be fake and gay.
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. You know, like that's that that
Speaker 2: is that is something that is a possibility here. I
Speaker 2: think it's not as black and white as maybe everything
Speaker 2: is staged. But I would say, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: borrow a line from a friend of mine. Actually not
Speaker 2: everything is a si oup of most things.
Speaker 1: Right on, let's opinion, No, I gotcha. Let's demystify manifestation
Speaker 1: for a bit, because this is such a popular topic
Speaker 1: and it's dismissed quite often still, people will just dismiss
Speaker 1: it as some kind of woo woo concept that new
Speaker 1: age folks are bringing to the table. But I've experienced
Speaker 1: it way too much. It is too real for me
Speaker 1: to dismiss any of it. And I've heard this from
Speaker 1: many people recently that they are experiencing huge levels of
Speaker 1: manifestation in their lives as well. And I wonder if
Speaker 1: our awareness of things may be a trigger of this.
Speaker 1: The collective awareness of things happened in twenty twenty, the
Speaker 1: series of events that followed, and this quote unquote awakening
Speaker 1: in general maybe having an effect on our ability to
Speaker 1: manifest things. I can look at things in my own
Speaker 1: life all day long and be amazed. But I can
Speaker 1: also look at things in other people's lives that are
Speaker 1: starting to come to the forefront, especially when they put
Speaker 1: creative effort into it, especially when they put conscious effort
Speaker 1: into what they're trying to manifest. It is so powerful
Speaker 1: right now. It seems that this is a very powerful
Speaker 1: time to start attempting to manifest things. And I was
Speaker 1: I was telling Jennifer a joke that even Corey has
Speaker 1: manifested so much. Look how many people are wary of
Speaker 1: the Jews.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm sure he's I'm sure he's loving that. I'm
Speaker 2: sure he's loving that honestly. Man, But no, I have
Speaker 2: to be careful because you know, you know everybody, because
Speaker 2: you know, since Israel past that thing where you can't
Speaker 2: criticize it, I have to now call it the uh
Speaker 2: the small country in the eastern Mediterranean if I want
Speaker 2: to start questioning it. But uh, but really, man, demystifying manifestation.
Speaker 2: You know. So this is the biggest thing is there's
Speaker 2: so much proof and evidence out there for it, especially
Speaker 2: in in what we would call the consensual science world.
Speaker 2: Uh that you know, people just aren't looking for it.
Speaker 2: I think honestly, they're they're it's it's a fight within themselves,
Speaker 2: you know, to to maybe accept or maybe they're not
Speaker 2: accepting this potential what we would call this magical aspect
Speaker 2: of this reality. And it really comes down to the ego,
Speaker 2: preconceived notions man and subconscious and conscious conditioning that we've
Speaker 2: experienced since we were birth into this planetary existence. And
Speaker 2: really the best way I can demystify it for those
Speaker 2: who are like really on the fence or those who
Speaker 2: really want a lot of evidence. I know I've probably
Speaker 2: this ad nauseum on your show, but I mean, for
Speaker 2: Fox's sake, quantum physics pan psychism, the theory of pan
Speaker 2: psychism in quantum physics, Okay, guys, if mainstream physicists are
Speaker 2: talking about this, okay, you know, for the people who
Speaker 2: need the hard evidence, you know, who want to see
Speaker 2: the studies and they want to see the theories. If
Speaker 2: quantum physics has a theory called pan psychism, where consciousness
Speaker 2: is the prima materia of this existence. Okay, everything stems
Speaker 2: from consciousness. You know, the wave function the universe has
Speaker 2: to be observed in order to exist. Okay, So for
Speaker 2: the people who really want heard evidence on this, go
Speaker 2: look at the theory of panpsychism. Go look at the
Speaker 2: experience experiments on consciousness. Okay, there's plenty of them. I mean, shoot,
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong on the date. I know
Speaker 2: there was a Geneva convention. It was either in the
Speaker 2: earlier the late forties, where Tesla Einstein a lot of
Speaker 2: the rates actually sat down and they talked about how
Speaker 2: this is strange because when somebody's running a scientific experiment,
Speaker 2: depending on who's observing the experiment will dictate the results
Speaker 2: of the experiment. That seems a little lot. And if
Speaker 2: nobody's observing the experiment, you get a whole different set
Speaker 2: of results. So so I'll digress, and I'll say this
Speaker 2: that you know, there's tons of hard evidence out there
Speaker 2: that a lot of people, even in the scientific field,
Speaker 2: are starting to take in the fact that we might
Speaker 2: be living in a consciousness based reality. And you know,
Speaker 2: this reality must be consciousness first, and the experience second.
Speaker 2: You need the consciousness in order to have that experience. So,
Speaker 2: with that being said, if we do live in a
Speaker 2: existence where consciousness is the prima materia, we know that
Speaker 2: your mental faculties are going to interact and actually be
Speaker 2: a set of tools when it comes to your perceived
Speaker 2: physical experience or perceived external experience. Right. So we know
Speaker 2: that energy goes, where the energy goes, where the focus goes.
Speaker 2: That's something we talk about in the spiritual community a
Speaker 2: lot and on our spiritual evolution, all right, And this
Speaker 2: is all how manifestation works, plain and simple. We live
Speaker 2: in a consciousness based reality. Your mental faculties interact with
Speaker 2: your perceived external experience. Your perspective of your experience is
Speaker 2: going to dictate the outcome that you have in set experience. So,
Speaker 2: if you are keeping yourself in a positive mind state,
Speaker 2: right and you are in taking good content, you want
Speaker 2: to manifest a joyful, abundant life for yourself. The first
Speaker 2: thing you need to do is you need to have
Speaker 2: a positive mindset. And this also boils down even to
Speaker 2: the ancient Vedic traditions and the ancient Vedic sciences. You know,
Speaker 2: the number one thing for staying healthy forever. An ancient
Speaker 2: Vada science is having a positive mindset. So these three
Speaker 2: things are like a trifecta. We understand a consciousness premium
Speaker 2: materia of this reality, our mental faculties interact with our
Speaker 2: perceived physical experience, and our perspective is going to ultimately
Speaker 2: be the tool that chisels the experience that we have here.
Speaker 2: And so when you put these three things together, you
Speaker 2: have the power and the ability to manifest I mean
Speaker 2: you can just look at this right here. And then
Speaker 2: even another thing too, I kind of bring up in
Speaker 2: this for all the people who think this is woo woo,
Speaker 2: just look at the place ebo and the no sebo effects. Okay,
Speaker 2: And these are the two biggest hardest pieces of evidence
Speaker 2: that are available to us. There's tons of studies on them,
Speaker 2: you know, tons of evidence when it comes to them
Speaker 2: that we either have the ability to heal or harm ourselves, okay,
Speaker 2: based on our perspective when it comes to a medical situation. Okay,
Speaker 2: So this is kind of an example of manifestation right there.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, You're manifesting a positive outcome
Speaker 2: from a medic situation based on your perspective, or you're
Speaker 2: manifesting a negative outcome in a medical situation based on
Speaker 2: your perspective. So I mean again again, you know and
Speaker 2: also too, so how would you manifest? And this is
Speaker 2: this is this is a tried and true method. It's
Speaker 2: a basic one. It's actually a very old one. It
Speaker 2: goes back for a very long time. And of course
Speaker 2: a lot of people have their different ones. I have
Speaker 2: different ones I utilize. But the the head, heart and hands,
Speaker 2: it's very very simple method. Man. You know, you think
Speaker 2: about what you want in your mind and then you
Speaker 2: bring your heart into that alignment. You feel with your
Speaker 2: heart that you truly want this. Because here's the thing.
Speaker 2: The universe, slash, the divine is. It wants to help
Speaker 2: you succeed. It wants you to be happy. It wants
Speaker 2: you to trust it. That is the number one thing.
Speaker 2: And uh and then you're the third part. Your hands.
Speaker 2: Now your hands. It can be literal hands if you
Speaker 2: need to build it, you need to work to get there,
Speaker 2: or it can be metaphorical. You know, it can be
Speaker 2: figurative with your hands. You know, there's more ways to
Speaker 2: use the hands than just in a physical context. So
Speaker 2: this is a tried and true method. And I guarantee
Speaker 2: you if you develop the understanding that this is a
Speaker 2: consciousness based reality, your mental faculties interact with your perceived
Speaker 2: external experience. You keep a positive perspective, and you keep
Speaker 2: yourself in that head, heart and hands alignment, You're going
Speaker 2: to manifest whatever you want. And I think, really, what
Speaker 2: a lot of people get into it is there's this
Speaker 2: deception going around with instant manifestation. Now, is instant manifestation possible? Yes,
Speaker 2: it is. I've done it a couple of times on accident.
Speaker 2: I have not mastered it, you know, or anything like that.
Speaker 2: But the thing about manifestation is it takes focus and energy.
Speaker 2: You have to put that focus and that energy into
Speaker 2: what you're trying to manifest. I mean great examples. When
Speaker 2: I started the show, I started reaching out to everybody
Speaker 2: I could shoot. I even reached out to people who
Speaker 2: I know would not accept coming on the show because
Speaker 2: I had like two three followers at the time. But
Speaker 2: I still put out all of my energy and all
Speaker 2: of my focus into building this and look at where
Speaker 2: it is today. So it is, and I think people
Speaker 2: it's that instant gratification Chris, like they you know, even
Speaker 2: when it comes to manifestation here in the third density,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have a little bit of a delay. It
Speaker 2: just is what it is. We have a delay here.
Speaker 2: So that would be my way to demystifying manifestation, Chris,
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of I mean, dude, it's it's
Speaker 2: we're now at the plethora of evidence and theories showcasing
Speaker 2: that we are in a consciousness based reality, and it's
Speaker 2: all there. It's in Scientific American Science, it's in the
Speaker 2: scientific journal Scientific American, it's in the scientific journal Nature,
Speaker 2: every kind of hard source. Anybody wants to see, it's there.
Speaker 2: They just need to look for it.
Speaker 1: There's obviously a collective change that's occurred in society around
Speaker 1: the planet after the events of twenty twenty. Folks like
Speaker 1: yourself and I that have eyes to see can look
Speaker 1: back at everything and say, conflict and collective trauma has
Speaker 1: essentially caused an awakening in most people. We talked before
Speaker 1: about how there may be this greater force that is
Speaker 1: attempting a now chemical transformation of humanity, and the only
Speaker 1: way that that can occur is collective trauma, putting us
Speaker 1: through these conflicts and forcing growth from our consciousness because
Speaker 1: it seems that for the longest time we were comfortable,
Speaker 1: there was nothing like COVID. There was nothing like what
Speaker 1: we're experiencing now, at least in our lifetimes. We have
Speaker 1: this massive shakeup and people start to become a air
Speaker 1: of things and everything starts to change. That again, is
Speaker 1: one of the greater questions. Was this the cause of
Speaker 1: some greater force? Was it the collective consciousness? Do the
Speaker 1: parasitic ruling class have any idea what they've started and
Speaker 1: the ramifications of everything. It's actually many questions, but it
Speaker 1: seems to be all connected.
Speaker 2: I would completely agree. Man. So here's the thing, and
Speaker 2: this is the thing I've learned in the now shoot
Speaker 2: almost now, going on eighteen years of my spiritual evolution.
Speaker 2: Trauma and intensely emotional situations equal spiritual alchemy. Now we
Speaker 2: look at the subjective experience that we have and the
Speaker 2: healing that we do. You know a lot of us
Speaker 2: who you know who are on our spiritual evolutions. We've
Speaker 2: we've we've gone through some of the darkest depths that
Speaker 2: this existence has to offer. Man, you know, we've been
Speaker 2: we've been through some of the darkest things, the darkest situations.
Speaker 2: I mean, shit, I spent time in jail. I almost
Speaker 2: died a few times. I mean, I can't tell you.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many people I talk to
Speaker 2: who are on their spiritual evolution that they've been through
Speaker 2: the deepest, darkest moundy as depths that this existence has
Speaker 2: to offer. But look at what those depths did to them.
Speaker 2: It transformed them, It pushed them towards the light. And
Speaker 2: that's why I talk about a lot of my shows
Speaker 2: the reciprocative relationship between Lucifer and Christ. You know, when
Speaker 2: you look at Lucifer as the tester of humanity, he
Speaker 2: wants to test us and he wants to put us
Speaker 2: through trials. And you know, we as humanity, we go
Speaker 2: through these tests, in these trials, and we get compressed,
Speaker 2: we get spread thin, wow, you know, we get trauma.
Speaker 2: You know, we are almost through these difficult times. We
Speaker 2: are forged into this awakened state, and then we look
Speaker 2: towards the light. We start to look towards the divine
Speaker 2: and some people say it's Christ if you want to
Speaker 2: call it that or whatever it is. I mean, we
Speaker 2: get pushed there, and we're even talking about on a
Speaker 2: subjective level. Now, you know, the thing about humans is
Speaker 2: this is how we learn, This is how we grow.
Speaker 2: We have to face obstacles, we have to face struggles.
Speaker 2: And I even brought up this philosophical question. Now, let's say,
Speaker 2: and I'm not talking about the spiritual realms when I
Speaker 2: say this, because I know a lot of people want
Speaker 2: to say this. The first thing is, well, in the
Speaker 2: spiritual realms, it can be that way, but no, we're
Speaker 2: talking about here in the physical realms, the human experience.
Speaker 2: If you were born into peace and all you ever
Speaker 2: knew was peace and bliss, could you even learn or
Speaker 2: even grasp the concept of appreciating it? Could you and that?
Speaker 2: And that is actually one of the biggest thing, you know,
Speaker 2: a philosophical question that I asked, because if you're born
Speaker 2: into something and it's all you know and you know
Speaker 2: nothing else, you know by you know, you can't truly
Speaker 2: grasp what it means to appreciate, you can't true grasp
Speaker 2: what it means to grow. So so that's why this
Speaker 2: is the way humanity learns, you know, they they we
Speaker 2: have to learn through being compressed, We have to learn
Speaker 2: through going through struggles. This is what causes that, not
Speaker 2: just subjective spiritual alchemy, but also the collective spiritual alchemy.
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I did the parasite class have
Speaker 2: a hand in it? I mean yeah, I think there's
Speaker 2: you know, there there's a you know, one of the
Speaker 2: biggest things we understand on our spiritual evolution, and this
Speaker 2: is still a tough pill for a lot of our
Speaker 2: conscious collective to swallow, is both sides of the polarity
Speaker 2: spectrum ultimately service creation.
Speaker 3: You know, when.
Speaker 2: We're when when we're talking about when we're talking about
Speaker 2: the divine, the all is mind, Okay, it is non dualistic,
Speaker 2: all right, And and you know, we I feel like
Speaker 2: in our community, we still still a lot of people
Speaker 2: try to compartmentalize things into the two boxes absolute good
Speaker 2: or absolute evil, and ultimately what they're still failing to
Speaker 2: realize is that both these boxes service the divine, they
Speaker 2: service the universe, they service the creation. It's part of
Speaker 2: the human whether it's an experiment and experience whatever we're
Speaker 2: facing down here. And I know, I know there's a
Speaker 2: lot of people who are like, well, you know, what
Speaker 2: about the children, And I understand that, but that that's
Speaker 2: also you know that catalyzed your awakening? Did it not
Speaker 2: once you've found out about that negative thing that existed.
Speaker 2: You woke up and you started to learn, did you not.
Speaker 2: So in that sense, even though it is not a
Speaker 2: great thing that's happening in that case, I don't condone
Speaker 2: it at all. It ultimately contributed it to the growth
Speaker 2: of humanity for them to learn and to become aware
Speaker 2: of this, you know, because now they want to we
Speaker 2: want to put a stop now that now that we're
Speaker 2: aware of it, we can put a stop to it,
Speaker 2: you know, and so like, and that's why I think, honestly,
Speaker 2: like you're saying, you know, yes, there's a greater forest
Speaker 2: play here, most definitely, and I think it co opts
Speaker 2: both sides of the polarity spectrum, from what we would
Speaker 2: call the light and what we would call the dark,
Speaker 2: to work together to cause this collective spiritual alchemy that
Speaker 2: we're undergoing. That's exactly what I do think is happening.
Speaker 1: It's such a special time and like I was saying earlier,
Speaker 1: now is definitely a time for folks like us to
Speaker 1: get out there and create and bring something to the table, because,
Speaker 1: as I say all the time, each and every one
Speaker 1: of us has that one thing to offer the rest
Speaker 1: of the planet, the one useful thing that we can do,
Speaker 1: or many useful things. But everybody, I believe has at
Speaker 1: least that one special thing that they can bring to
Speaker 1: the table. But I want to hear your recent experience
Speaker 1: with mister Toad's wild ride. First of all, for those
Speaker 1: that may not be familiar, tell us about this compound.
Speaker 2: So, guys, buffo, I'll so, I know a lot of
Speaker 2: you out there have probably heard of mushrooms which have
Speaker 2: actually psilocybin. The technical molecular name for psilocybin is four
Speaker 2: h O d m T. Sounds familiar, you guys. A
Speaker 2: lot of you have heard of d MT out there. So,
Speaker 2: and then we have regular d MT, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: which is very familiar. Of course, you know, Joe Rogan
Speaker 2: has popularized it. A few other people have popularized, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, the use of d MT to achieve altered
Speaker 2: states of consciousness. But there is another compound that is
Speaker 2: kind of trumps them all, you know, and that is
Speaker 2: five m e oh d m T trump DMT five
Speaker 2: and trump did the enlightened don But but uh, but
Speaker 2: what was I gonna say?
Speaker 3: But no?
Speaker 2: And five M O d MT. We do produce it
Speaker 2: in our bodies like d MT uh, but just not
Speaker 2: in as large amounts as we produce in dogenous n
Speaker 2: M d MT, and it actually found it's found in
Speaker 2: ayahasca and trace amounts. You know, a lot of the
Speaker 2: mimosa plants and mosastillis and the other plants they put
Speaker 2: into the ayahasca brew have trace amounts of five meo
Speaker 2: d MT. And then you have Yopo seeds, the yopo
Speaker 2: the shamanic snuff from the Amazon, and those seeds are
Speaker 2: actually a combination of regular NMD d MT, five meo
Speaker 2: d MT and buffotinine, which is actually another form of
Speaker 2: d MT. It's a lesser known form, but the buffo
Speaker 2: al varius frog is actually one of the best sources
Speaker 2: to get pure straight five me eo d MT. And
Speaker 2: you know, I remember it was always funny, Chris, because
Speaker 2: when I had the experience, I'll just say this up front,
Speaker 2: it felt like every psychedelic experience I had had before
Speaker 2: that was training me for that moment. That was it
Speaker 2: was a weird sense of deja voo going into it.
Speaker 2: And you know my opinion on this compound before I
Speaker 2: ever did it, because I write up on it, and
Speaker 2: you know, I read a few experience reports and things
Speaker 2: like that, just seeing how profoundly powerful it is. You know,
Speaker 2: I decided that I would not seek it and I
Speaker 2: would let it find me when the time is right.
Speaker 2: That was kind of my mentality on it, because I
Speaker 2: was I could see from the get go it was
Speaker 2: just such a sacred, spiritual experience. I wanted to make
Speaker 2: sure that I was ready to embark on something that
Speaker 2: sacred and lo and behold, it found me. It found me.
Speaker 2: So I have a friend who is a facilitator for
Speaker 2: the compound, and she is a trained shopman in the compound,
Speaker 2: and she came out here. She reached out to me
Speaker 2: originally six months ago and told me she was coming
Speaker 2: out here for psychedelic Science in Denver for maps, and
Speaker 2: she asked if I wanted to give it a go,
Speaker 2: and I said, okay, it found me. It must be
Speaker 2: meant to be. So I said, sure, I'll start preparing myself.
Speaker 2: And it was about six months of preparation.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I did a lot of healing. I did a lot
Speaker 2: of shadow work, you know, I did some shadow work
Speaker 2: Kundalini Koreas to kind of get my subtle body ready
Speaker 2: for the experience and you know, we last Sunday we
Speaker 2: drove out to lock loanmand here in Colorado found a
Speaker 2: fresh spot in the woods and which was really cool.
Speaker 2: We like sat in a little portal. We were surrounded
Speaker 2: by trees with this open area where the sun was
Speaker 2: beating down and had a built in altar. It was
Speaker 2: super cool and it was perfect. And so basically, the
Speaker 2: one thing I will say about this compound is the
Speaker 2: ceremony of it adds to it for sure. The blessings,
Speaker 2: the indigenous prayers, you know, the clearing of the space
Speaker 2: definitely sets the tone for it. So that's why I would, honestly,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna try this compound, I recommend you doing
Speaker 2: it in a ceremonial setting. Absolutely. I don't care how
Speaker 2: experienced you are with psychedelics, because what I'm about to
Speaker 2: tell you, you're gonna want to be in a cool
Speaker 2: setting for this. And so basically how it went down
Speaker 2: is I had three doses. I had three doses total,
Speaker 2: each dose thirty milligrams, so ninety milligrams total for the
Speaker 2: whole experience. And it was.
Speaker 1: How are you how are you taking? Are you ingesting?
Speaker 2: You're actually you're vaping it out. So basically what you do.
Speaker 2: What you do is you do this breath work beforehand
Speaker 2: to relax your vagus nerve and your parasympathetic nervous system.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like a and you do ten
Speaker 2: of these breaths right and at the tenth breath, she
Speaker 2: holds the vapor up to you and she starts to
Speaker 2: light it, and then you start to inhale it very slowly,
Speaker 2: like slower than you would take a long hit, slower
Speaker 2: than you would smoke any inhale any kind of smoke.
Speaker 2: You have to inhale it very slowly, and she counts
Speaker 2: to twenty as you inhale, and then after the twentieth
Speaker 2: twentieth us second, she says, pull, pull, pull the rest
Speaker 2: and you'll hold it in. You'll hold your nose and
Speaker 2: you got to hold it in for ten seconds and
Speaker 2: then you'll drop back onto the pillow and you'll get
Speaker 2: cascaded into the experience. So funny enough, my first dose,
Speaker 2: I was ten seconds in before I already started feeling it,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my goodness. I was like,
Speaker 2: am I even gonna make it to the twenty seconds?
Speaker 2: So I just pushed it. I pushed, and I pushed
Speaker 2: and I pushed, and then I took the final pull,
Speaker 2: and I held my nose and I laid back onto
Speaker 2: the pillow. And this was the experience of the first dose.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a way to describe being peacefully, delicately,
Speaker 2: gently and tactfully disassembled and obliterated by the divine Source,
Speaker 2: but that's probably the best way that I can describe it.
Speaker 2: The person who was Stephen was no more, My attachments
Speaker 2: were no more, the memory of my human existence were
Speaker 2: no more, and I was a pure source being and
Speaker 2: I merged with source consciousness. And I had the perspective
Speaker 2: as if I was source consciousness, which is very hard
Speaker 2: to explain. I can try to put it into words,
Speaker 2: but I was literally the all his mind. I was
Speaker 2: the all his mind. There was nothing else but me,
Speaker 2: the all his mind. And it was so profoundly beautiful,
Speaker 2: terrifying and beautiful at the same time. That's kind of
Speaker 2: the best way I can describe it, because even though
Speaker 2: it was gentle and delicate, I was completely seared off
Speaker 2: my human identity, was completely seared off of my true nature,
Speaker 2: like in just the almost the flash of an instant,
Speaker 2: and I was sitting there as the all is mind,
Speaker 2: and I started. What was really crazy is I actually
Speaker 2: got a almost like a play by play because we
Speaker 2: were talking about manifestation earlier, about how manifestation works, and
Speaker 2: I saw how I was sitting there and I would
Speaker 2: have this thought form of something, and then this thought
Speaker 2: form turned into this energy and it like swirke through me,
Speaker 2: and then it's the energy from that swirl started to
Speaker 2: move out into my field that was around me, and
Speaker 2: it started to pick up other pieces of energy and
Speaker 2: it started to grow. So that was almost like a
Speaker 2: I was getting like a play by play on how
Speaker 2: manifestation works. And at this point, you know, because the experience,
Speaker 2: you know, off of one dose is only ten to
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes, I start to feel myself slipping back. So
Speaker 2: we have a symbol for more medicine. If you're in
Speaker 2: the experience and you want to take another another dose
Speaker 2: of the medicine, you got to go like this. So
Speaker 2: I feel the experience starting to kind of like slightly
Speaker 2: wind down, and I was like, no, I want to
Speaker 2: stay here, So I immediately just freaking went like this,
Speaker 2: and uh so then I I repeated the thing. You know,
Speaker 2: I didn't have to do the breath work that time,
Speaker 2: but I had to do the twenty second long inhale hold,
Speaker 2: sit back, and then the second dose actually propelled me
Speaker 2: into the white luminous light at that point, and I
Speaker 2: was in the light, and even though I was experiencing
Speaker 2: being source consciousness, I was the always mind. There was
Speaker 2: still the perspective of Stephen that was with me, but
Speaker 2: it was like almost like secondary And then I was
Speaker 2: almost coaching myself. It was so strange, like I was
Speaker 2: like coaching myself from like me being all his mind
Speaker 2: talking to the perspective of And I started getting these
Speaker 2: flashes of my life. And I started getting these flashes
Speaker 2: of my life from the time I was a child.
Speaker 2: There was a flash of me and my little brother
Speaker 2: playing out in the front lawn of like the very
Speaker 2: first house I can ever remember. That I lived in
Speaker 2: many different interesting events, and the source consciousness part of
Speaker 2: me looked at Stephen and said, well, yes, you have
Speaker 2: a job to do here. Don't forget to truly enjoy
Speaker 2: and cherish this beautiful experience you're undergoing. Do you know
Speaker 2: what I think is the most important. It's not who
Speaker 2: hears you, It's not you know who knows you it's
Speaker 2: how you make people feel, the way you make them smile,
Speaker 2: the memory they carry with you, they carry of you
Speaker 2: with them, you know, the way you might have made
Speaker 2: somebody's day, you know, leading by example, the courage, the bravery.
Speaker 2: That's what I find most important, and you should hold
Speaker 2: that most important also. And I remember like it was
Speaker 2: almost like it was because I was Source, but I'm
Speaker 2: talking to the protective perspective that Steven, which is it
Speaker 2: was just the most bizarre thing in the world. It
Speaker 2: was It's like, that's the best way I can describe it.
Speaker 2: It was nuts, and I mean and then you know again,
Speaker 2: I started to feel the experience pull back, like it
Speaker 2: was I was starting to like come back. The ego
Speaker 2: was starting to come back in. And immediately I was
Speaker 2: like nope, and I did the handsa. I was like,
Speaker 2: I need I'm not done here. We have some more
Speaker 2: things to do. So I leaned over and I took
Speaker 2: the other hit and then this time this was the
Speaker 2: most powerful dose. So I was thrown back into the light.
Speaker 2: And the best way I can describe it is source
Speaker 2: consciousness took its hand and like if it had a hand,
Speaker 2: this is just the best way I could describe it
Speaker 2: and put it on my chest, and I kid you not, Chris.
Speaker 2: When this happened, this light started to form within me,
Speaker 2: and it started to see it like literally burn away
Speaker 2: all of the pain that I've been through, all of
Speaker 2: the trauma I've been through, you know a lot of
Speaker 2: at these aspects of my shadow that normal will no
Speaker 2: longer serve me anymore at this point in my life
Speaker 2: that I'm in, because that was one of the intentions
Speaker 2: I had going into this experience. And I remember it
Speaker 2: was so it was like beautifully painful. That's the best
Speaker 2: way I can describe it. It was beautifully painful. And
Speaker 2: I just started manically and hysterically crying like a baby
Speaker 2: while it started going down, because it was like it
Speaker 2: is like it was searing away that the pain, just
Speaker 2: like everything I had been through, like and it was
Speaker 2: searing away these aspects. I'm not even going to go
Speaker 2: in the lines to say it's reformatted my ego a
Speaker 2: little bit too. I think that was part of that
Speaker 2: experience too, when the light started just glowing within me,
Speaker 2: and it was it was so amazing. And then then
Speaker 2: this happened, so I was greeted by my higher self
Speaker 2: and I was looking at this being, This very tall
Speaker 2: being had wings, had a very fiery aura, and we
Speaker 2: looked at each other and it said to me, you
Speaker 2: remember now, don't you? And I said, yeah, I do.
Speaker 2: And then we merged, and that's the best way I
Speaker 2: can describe it. We merged. And after we merged, that
Speaker 2: was my last dose, and I started coming back. And
Speaker 2: the craziest thing, man, when I came back, I opened
Speaker 2: my eyes and I saw the sun and it was
Speaker 2: literally like the first time I had ever laid eyes
Speaker 2: on it. And I remember I was looking at the sun,
Speaker 2: and I was looking up at the clouds and I
Speaker 2: was seeing them swirl, and it was like the first
Speaker 2: time I had ever laid eyes on the clouds. And
Speaker 2: then I like, get up and I start to look around,
Speaker 2: and I see these trees just surrounding me that were
Speaker 2: just so green, greener than any other tree I had
Speaker 2: ever seen. They seemed even different from the trees that
Speaker 2: I just literally saw before the experience, the same trees,
Speaker 2: but they seemed different. They were brighter, greener. And I
Speaker 2: remember I looked down and there was this little tiny
Speaker 2: plant next to the mat where I was laying on it,
Speaker 2: and I just like went and I held it in
Speaker 2: my hands and I started crying like a baby dude,
Speaker 2: because I was like, it was almost as if I
Speaker 2: was reborn. It was almost freaking as if I was reborn.
Speaker 2: I was born into this new set of eyes I
Speaker 2: was born into. You know, my ego was reformatted. I
Speaker 2: got freaking I merged with Source. I experienced what it
Speaker 2: was like to be Source. Okay, you know this is
Speaker 2: this was pivotally life changing for me. And I remember
Speaker 2: as I'm like, you know, sitting there and coming back,
Speaker 2: I just could just say to myself, this is going
Speaker 2: to change everything. This is going to change everything. This was,
Speaker 2: this was beyond and I'm going to tell you this.
Speaker 2: It has. It has changed everything. I'm have yet to
Speaker 2: understand the magnitude of how much it has changed. It's reappearing,
Speaker 2: it's showcasing itself every day as every day goes on
Speaker 2: beyond the experience. And the one thing I found out
Speaker 2: about this stuff on accident was it's going to make
Speaker 2: you more sensitive to other psychedelics. Because I took a
Speaker 2: microdose before work on Tuesday, just three hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: milligrams about bino penis envy and I'm at work and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I weighed that out. I looked at it.
Speaker 2: That was three hundred and fifty milligrams. I was like,
Speaker 2: this is like I took like half a gram or
Speaker 2: like almost zero point six grams. So this is something
Speaker 2: that you know, I want to warn people about too
Speaker 2: who go to the experience. It's going to give you
Speaker 2: a weird cross tolerance to other psychedelic compounds. And the
Speaker 2: number one thing I took from it, and this was
Speaker 2: the number one message you know that I took from
Speaker 2: the whole experience, Chris.
Speaker 3: Was.
Speaker 2: Love is everything. Love is not just an emotion. It
Speaker 2: is a force, and it is a power. And if
Speaker 2: we are to harness this divine love, fully channel it
Speaker 2: into the avatars that we currently are, and master it
Speaker 2: and impart it into every facet of this reality, it
Speaker 2: would be the literal kill shot for this illusionary reality
Speaker 2: the parasite class has placed on us. It would be
Speaker 2: the literal kill shot. You know, I think, you know,
Speaker 2: when we look for the solutions to the issues you
Speaker 2: know that we currently face as humanity here, we're we're
Speaker 2: so obsessed with the external, We're so obsessed with you know,
Speaker 2: what can we do to change the government. You're not
Speaker 2: going to change this government, man, you know, like for
Speaker 2: you're not going to change it, dude, Like you know,
Speaker 2: it's beating a horse dead. You're not going to change
Speaker 2: the government, okay, Like you know, like you know, focusing
Speaker 2: on conspiracies and just merely on only on conspiracies like
Speaker 2: that's fine and dandy. I know that helped you wake up,
Speaker 2: but you've got to move past going to lead to
Speaker 2: madness and dude, it is people being black pilled. And
Speaker 2: you know, the ultimate way if we want to kill
Speaker 2: shot this and we want to kill shot this illusionary
Speaker 2: matrix reality that we're stuck in, we need to each
Speaker 2: and every one of us who has the divine spark
Speaker 2: within them don't how to channel that divine love into
Speaker 2: us fully and impart it here, and that in and
Speaker 2: of itself will shatter the Mattrix man. And that is
Speaker 2: the biggest thing that I took from that experience, right And.
Speaker 1: As you very well know, and if you've been listening
Speaker 1: to this show for any amount of time, I've had
Speaker 1: some extreme success with psychedelics as well. And I don't
Speaker 1: condone drug user psychedelics and I'm not saying for anyone
Speaker 1: to go out and try these substances. This is what
Speaker 1: worked for my journey, this is what has worked for
Speaker 1: Steven's journey and many others. And if you are going
Speaker 1: to go that route, please be responsible, Please do your research,
Speaker 1: Please do it respectfully, Please do it in a spiritual setting.
Speaker 1: But it is such a powerful way to come to
Speaker 1: these realizations about yourself and these awarenesses and propel your
Speaker 1: journey in a way that is absolutely indescribable. And that's
Speaker 1: what I'll say about that. But I also want to
Speaker 1: hear about what you got going on with your new business.
Speaker 1: Tell us all about how this came about.
Speaker 2: Absolutely one thing. I just want to add to what
Speaker 2: you said before we hop into that. And I'm going
Speaker 2: to say this, guys, five meo DMT is not a
Speaker 2: party drug. None of it. Should do not rave. No, no, dude,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say not, even mutioned dot. Do not go
Speaker 2: to a festival or a rave and hit five MEO
Speaker 2: DMT outside of a ceremonial setting. My recommendation is to
Speaker 2: keep that compound ceremonial and keep it sacred if you're
Speaker 2: going to experience it. But the business man, so yes,
Speaker 2: I you know of course. You know me, man, I've
Speaker 2: you know, been very much into Kundalini yoga for a
Speaker 2: while now, and uh, you know, my health and my
Speaker 2: fitness and all that, and uh, you know, I've had
Speaker 2: enough of just complaining and whining about detesting the nine
Speaker 2: to five hamster real lifestyle. So I decided to take action.
Speaker 2: So I started up a business called Big Body, Mind
Speaker 2: and Spirit. Now, the reason why it's called BEG Body,
Speaker 2: Mind and Spirit is this is what we can call
Speaker 2: a real, true trinity that we experience every day. This
Speaker 2: is a trinity that we want in alignment when we
Speaker 2: have a healthy body. Okay, And you can even attest
Speaker 2: to this, Chris, getting your health in check increases your
Speaker 2: spiritual and energetic frequency by default. It just it is
Speaker 2: a default process of getting your health in check. So
Speaker 2: you get your health in a good way and you
Speaker 2: keep it in a sound place, your spiritual, your mental
Speaker 2: and your energetic health is going to is going to
Speaker 2: blossom just by default. And then we have the mind. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know we operate through our mind. Here we talk
Speaker 2: about you know, the all is mind and mental health
Speaker 2: is a very pivotal and important thing for us to
Speaker 2: be happy human beings. So this would be the excuse me.
Speaker 2: Second part of our trifecta or the trinity is the
Speaker 2: mental health portion, because we want to have good mental health.
Speaker 2: We want to have a positive mindset. You know, we
Speaker 2: want to to you know, love ourselves. We want to
Speaker 2: love the people we're with, and you know, we want
Speaker 2: to impart that love on everybody else. And then we
Speaker 2: have the spirit. You know, we're spiritual beings, and you
Speaker 2: know what constitutes spiritual health altered states of consciousness, whether
Speaker 2: it whether it be through antheogens or sober means. There's
Speaker 2: sober ways to reach altered states of consciousness, and we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about those next, you know, but altered
Speaker 2: states of consciousness are really pivotal for spiritual health. You know,
Speaker 2: it's good to take a break from this dimension, you know,
Speaker 2: and get out of the third density for a little
Speaker 2: bit and go into your own little pocket dimension and
Speaker 2: freaking you know, get to know yourself on that spiritual levels.
Speaker 2: So really, when we're talking about this trinity of body, mind,
Speaker 2: and spirit, these are the three most important factors that
Speaker 2: we have here. That's you know, that's the most important
Speaker 2: to our overall being, this human being.
Speaker 3: That we are.
Speaker 2: And so what this business work works with is we
Speaker 2: have life coaching. We have holistic life coaching, you know.
Speaker 2: And the one thing I want to tell them about
Speaker 2: I want to just throw out there to people is this.
Speaker 2: If you are going to hire a life coach and
Speaker 2: you're going to go down that path to help yourself,
Speaker 2: you must expect honesty. Okay. I cannot do right by
Speaker 2: you if you cannot handle the honesty. Okay. So that's
Speaker 2: just one of the biggest things. Now, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be an asshole to you. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to do anything like that. But I'm going
Speaker 2: to tell you how it is, because ultimately that's what
Speaker 2: causes that transformation. Because even just telling someone how it is,
Speaker 2: even at a polite it causes that emotional tension. It
Speaker 2: causes that little bit of spiritual alchemy to occur. And
Speaker 2: you know, one of the biggest things I talk about
Speaker 2: the lessons that I've learned in life, none of them
Speaker 2: were ever delivered in a sugarcoated manner, none of them.
Speaker 2: They were all delivered in a very honest way. And
Speaker 2: that's what caused me to get to where I am today.
Speaker 2: So we're going to have life coaching, We're going to
Speaker 2: have you know, total body, mind, spirit health programs, right
Speaker 2: you know, we want to address each area of this
Speaker 2: trinity that we experience. So you know, we want to
Speaker 2: address the health of the body, we want to address
Speaker 2: the health of the mind, and we want to address
Speaker 2: the health of the spirit. So and these plans are
Speaker 2: going to be tailored and customized to your life where
Speaker 2: you're at right now. You know what your schedule is, Okay,
Speaker 2: you know, you are going to get a personalized plan
Speaker 2: that is made specifically for you. It's not a template
Speaker 2: that we're going to use on anybody else. So that's
Speaker 2: the benefit fit you're going to have of working with me,
Speaker 2: is you're going to get something that's designed and personalized
Speaker 2: strictly for you. Nothing else like it out there. And
Speaker 2: so that's why I do think this is going to
Speaker 2: be great for those because you know, I feel a
Speaker 2: lot of our times, even with life coaching, even with
Speaker 2: in this health department, we try to utilize a one
Speaker 2: size fits all method for everybody, you know, and it
Speaker 2: even happens in the spiritual community and the conscious collective too,
Speaker 2: you know, which we try to we try to utilize
Speaker 2: a one size fits all method, but we know that
Speaker 2: everybody's different, every being is different. So that's why these
Speaker 2: programs will be tailored to your unique factors. They're going
Speaker 2: to be tailored to your life, your lifestyle, your schedule,
Speaker 2: whether you got kids or you don't have kids, whether
Speaker 2: you work at nights.
Speaker 3: Or your work days.
Speaker 2: You know, this is all taken into account in these programs,
Speaker 2: you know. And then also what we're going to have too.
Speaker 2: I talked about altered states of consciousness. We are going
Speaker 2: to have Kundalini yoga classes, and we are going to
Speaker 2: have breath work classes. And you know these are two
Speaker 2: Actually I would feel that, you know, meditation in general
Speaker 2: is going to be it sits in the middle of
Speaker 2: mental inspirits.
Speaker 1: Even are you going to be offering these online?
Speaker 2: Yes, I will be offering these online. Yes I will be.
Speaker 2: I will be offering these online. We can do online.
Speaker 2: And I have packages too. You know, if you want
Speaker 2: the whole package, you know, you want the life coaching,
Speaker 2: you want four to one on one sessions a month,
Speaker 2: you want your so we will either do thirty day,
Speaker 2: sixty day or ninety day tailored plants, you know, depending
Speaker 2: on what you're looking for if you just want to
Speaker 2: try it for thirty days and see if it works
Speaker 2: for you, we offer that. Or if you if you
Speaker 2: think you want to be in it for the long haul,
Speaker 2: this is something you're going to do for a while.
Speaker 2: I can tailor it even up to a year for
Speaker 2: you if that's something that you want. And then, but
Speaker 2: as I was saying, you know in meditation, so Kundalini
Speaker 2: yoga is a great way to access a sober, altered
Speaker 2: state of consciousness. You actually utilize your endogenis DMT in
Speaker 2: this practice, and you actually utilize too, your indogenous cannabinoids
Speaker 2: and through the Cudlina yoga practice. What happens is actually
Speaker 2: what we do with Kundalini yoga is it's doing a
Speaker 2: trauma response in a controlled setting. So you are putting
Speaker 2: the body through a trauma response, but you yourself are not
Speaker 2: experiencing trauma. So what this does is it ends up.
Speaker 2: It causes a somatic response in your body. And that's
Speaker 2: what psychedelics do too, is they cause a somatic response
Speaker 2: in your body, but Kudelini yoga does it without the psychedelics,
Speaker 2: and it causes you to release and your fascia opens up.
Speaker 2: And it stretches because we store a lot of our
Speaker 2: trauma in our fascia and in our vegus nerve, and
Speaker 2: CUDLINI works on the vegas nerve as well. And ultimately
Speaker 2: what Kundalini yoga will do once you begin to gain
Speaker 2: mastery of it, so our cerebral spinal fluid. A lot
Speaker 2: of people call it the christ oil, or you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of people call it the sacred nectar. Whatever,
Speaker 2: there's many different names for it. It actually holds are
Speaker 2: a lot of indogenous DMT and indogenous cannabinoids, and through
Speaker 2: this practice, you will work that fluid up your spinal
Speaker 2: cavity into your hypothalamists and in case you don't know
Speaker 2: the eye of raw, the eye of horus, it's where
Speaker 2: your pineogland is, your pituitary gland is, you know your HPTA,
Speaker 2: your hypothalamus, pituitary access, all of that, and you are
Speaker 2: just sending a boatload of indogenous DMT and a boatload
Speaker 2: of indogenous cannabinoids right into that cavity in your brain.
Speaker 2: No m AOI inhibitor needed or anything like that. So
Speaker 2: that's that's why I can't talk highly enough about Kundelini
Speaker 2: yoga but that's also we will be offering classes on
Speaker 2: how to do it, and we're also going to be
Speaker 2: offering breath work. Breathwork is another you know, natural DMT releaser,
Speaker 2: and in fact, when you're doing it through the hard
Speaker 2: breath work and the lungs, you're actually releasing the DMT
Speaker 2: that's stored in your lung. You know, d MT is
Speaker 2: produced in many different areas of our body. It's produced
Speaker 2: in our lungs, our stomach, our our our liver. There's
Speaker 2: a few places that it has receptor sites and attachment
Speaker 2: attachment sites in our body. And you know, breathwork is
Speaker 2: also a great way, a great thing for spiritual health.
Speaker 2: Breathwork also has a somatic response to it. You're putting
Speaker 2: yourself through a trauma response while not going through trauma,
Speaker 2: and you're basically building up yourself through these practices, and
Speaker 2: we're going to offer classes on that. I will be
Speaker 2: giving dietary advice too, you know, for people who are
Speaker 2: not sure about what to eat or you know, how
Speaker 2: to go about eating. And I mean, the biggest thing
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna tell everybody is everybody is
Speaker 2: different when it comes to that. So you know, we'll
Speaker 2: have to kind of tinker around and figure out what
Speaker 2: works out for you you but ultimately, this is where
Speaker 2: my passion lies in life, Chris, This is where my
Speaker 2: passion lies and helping people heal, helping people be the
Speaker 2: best version of themselves. You know, you can become the
Speaker 2: best version of you, the best husband, you could be,
Speaker 2: the best father, you could be the best family member
Speaker 2: you could be, you know, and continuously improve and shrive
Speaker 2: in your day to day life and live your most joyful,
Speaker 2: abundant timeline. I mean, who doesn't want that? So, you know,
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm I decided to take this on.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't see anybody really doing anything else
Speaker 2: like this, and you know, I think this is going
Speaker 2: to help so many people heal. It's going to help
Speaker 2: so many people find their greater sense of self. And
Speaker 2: it's good to know that you can tap into these
Speaker 2: heightened and altered states of consciousness without having to take
Speaker 2: a compound. You know, you can utilize this. So for
Speaker 2: even people who want to stay quote unquote drug free,
Speaker 2: that's okay, you know, you can you can still achieve
Speaker 2: these states of consciousness through Kundalini yoga or breath work.
Speaker 2: So and that's what I'm offering, man. I mean the
Speaker 2: packages kind of go. Like I said, you can have
Speaker 2: four one on one sessions with me a month. You
Speaker 2: know you're either thirty, sixty, ninety or however long. You
Speaker 2: want a total body, mind and spirit health program that
Speaker 2: gives you three Kundalini classes a week, that gives you
Speaker 2: two breath work classes a week, and that gives you
Speaker 2: diet help and advice. That is the total package. Of course,
Speaker 2: if you want to piece it and you only want
Speaker 2: to try certain aspects of it as well, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm completely fine with that. And also too, I do
Speaker 2: a two week trial. So for those who are interested
Speaker 2: in maybe giving it a go, but not sure they
Speaker 2: want to, you know, one hundred percent put it all
Speaker 2: in just yet, I can work you up a quick
Speaker 2: two week program, man, and you know you can. And
Speaker 2: that'll include one session with me in those two weeks,
Speaker 2: and it'll be you know, your own tailored basic body,
Speaker 2: mind and spirit health program. You'll get one Kundalini yoga class,
Speaker 2: you'll get one breathwork class out of the trial period.
Speaker 2: And that's if you're if you if you just want
Speaker 2: to give it a try and if you feel like
Speaker 2: it's something that you don't want to do after that
Speaker 2: completely fine. There's no contracts man, it's your free will.
Speaker 2: You know, if you want to back out, you can. However,
Speaker 2: if you want after the two week trial, you want
Speaker 2: to go all in and you want it, you want
Speaker 2: to do this with me, I will cut you a
Speaker 2: deal on the packages because you went through that two
Speaker 2: week trial program and you tested out my program. I
Speaker 2: will work with you on a on a pricing for
Speaker 2: whatever package that you would like.
Speaker 1: Awesome, man, well, this is so great that you're doing this.
Speaker 1: Like you said, I think this is so important for people.
Speaker 1: It's such a stepping stone for sovereignty and individuality and
Speaker 1: creativity and getting to where you want to be. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize how much spirituality affected the betterment of everything
Speaker 1: else in my life. It's all connected. And once you
Speaker 1: get reconnected with your spiritual side, once you get connected
Speaker 1: with your higher self and start to become aware, everything
Speaker 1: can change in your life. And it's amazing that you're
Speaker 1: offering this, so thank you for doing that. We'll have
Speaker 1: the links so everybody can check out more about you
Speaker 1: and get in touch with you if they want There's
Speaker 1: one more thing I wanted to get your thoughts on
Speaker 1: before we close out today. I almost left a rant
Speaker 1: on Facebook this morning because of some of the things
Speaker 1: that I'm noticing, but I decided to just talk about
Speaker 1: it here tonight. What I've noticed with some folks who
Speaker 1: have been Awakening since at least twenty twenty, and they
Speaker 1: have decided to give it a go in the independent
Speaker 1: content creation space, podcasting things of that nature, and for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, they are not getting the success or notoriety
Speaker 1: that they believe that they should. I couldn't tell you why,
Speaker 1: but the problem that I'm seeing is they tend to
Speaker 1: be lashing out at those that are having success with
Speaker 1: the podcast. They tend to be finding faults and problems
Speaker 1: and critiquing their work and doing it very publicly in
Speaker 1: a very childish way sometimes, and I think to myself,
Speaker 1: if they would put that much focus on their own
Speaker 1: work and what they're trying to do for themselves, they
Speaker 1: may find more success. I'm just very tired of seeing
Speaker 1: my friends and colleagues at each other's throats over becoming
Speaker 1: successful at something they're passionate at and having problems with
Speaker 1: the way they're doing it when the person attempting it
Speaker 1: is he and even trying it for themselves. So just
Speaker 1: a rant and observation that I saw, and I'd love
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on it.
Speaker 2: You know what else I've seen too, Man, I've seen
Speaker 2: people who are and I'm sure you're gonna there's a
Speaker 2: name that's gonna come in your head. We don't have
Speaker 2: to speak about it, but uh, there are people who
Speaker 2: aren't even content creators who are doing that to other
Speaker 2: content creators and trying to, like it, trying to like,
Speaker 2: you know, put them on front street, trying to like
Speaker 2: you know, really discredit and degrade their work. So that's
Speaker 2: another thing. So I'm kind of with you on that too.
Speaker 2: And there's a name that comes to mind. You blocked him,
Speaker 2: He blocked me. Funny story on that. But uh, but
Speaker 2: what do I think about that? Man? Is Honestly, this
Speaker 2: is what I'm gonna say. They still hold the victim mentality,
Speaker 2: and that's a lot of what it is. The victim
Speaker 2: mentality still really runs rampant in our community. Man. It's
Speaker 2: a shame because you know, a lot of these people
Speaker 2: who are awakening, you know, they should be gaining the
Speaker 2: understanding that they're they're in control of way more than
Speaker 2: they think they are. And let me tell you this, man,
Speaker 2: when I first started, like we were just saying earlier,
Speaker 2: I had three followers. I was reaching out to David Ike,
Speaker 2: tempoole Jirogajob freaking Mattias de Stefano like I didn't even care.
Speaker 2: I didn't even care because I was like, I don't
Speaker 2: care if they say no, all right, but I'm gonna
Speaker 2: reach out to like as many people as I can.
Speaker 2: One in tent is gonna say yes, the one in
Speaker 2: ten rule. One in ten is going to come on.
Speaker 2: They're going to agree on it, okay. And it's really
Speaker 2: where your head, heart and hands are. Man. Energy goes
Speaker 2: where the focus flows. I mean energy flows where the
Speaker 2: focus goes, you know. And like, if you're focusing on
Speaker 2: just degrading other content creators and I'm bitching about your
Speaker 2: lack of success, that's where your focus is, and that's
Speaker 2: where your energy's going. And now if you actually turned
Speaker 2: around and took the energy and the focus that you're
Speaker 2: putting into degrading other content creators and and bitching about
Speaker 2: your lack of success, and putting that energy and actually
Speaker 2: doing your content and doing your show you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, I guarantee you you would see more things
Speaker 2: that come out of it. I mean kind of how
Speaker 2: I rolled with it, man, is the first year, like
Speaker 2: I was telling you, I reached how I work with
Speaker 2: Manifestation when I came to the show was this I
Speaker 2: my first year. I went hard. I grinded it out.
Speaker 2: I was doing two, three shows a week. I was
Speaker 2: I was reaching out to anybody and everybody. I could
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and just build it. I mean, shoot,
Speaker 2: I even reached out to you through that whole the
Speaker 2: whole thing and all of that, and that's how we're
Speaker 2: here today. And you know, and after that first year,
Speaker 2: I cultivated enough of that energy flow to where I
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, let's maybe drop down to one to
Speaker 2: two shows a week, but do better quality content. To
Speaker 2: do better quality shows. And then I started doing more
Speaker 2: research and doing things like that, You're going to get
Speaker 2: what you put into it. Bottom line, You're going to
Speaker 2: get what you put into it, man. And like you know,
Speaker 2: right now, I'm in a little bit of a lull period.
Speaker 2: But I'm okay with that because I'm getting the business started.
Speaker 2: I'm taking care of some other things going on in
Speaker 2: my life. But you know, but if you I'm choosing
Speaker 2: that right now, I'm still making content, I'm still doing shows,
Speaker 2: but I'm kind of branching off and I'm taking care
Speaker 2: of some other things on the side while I'm doing
Speaker 2: that until I hop back in. And but you're going
Speaker 2: to ultimately get what you put out of it, man,
Speaker 2: And you know, like, and this is what I'll say,
Speaker 2: you have to have time management, like how I ended
Speaker 2: up doing it too, Man, when I was at my
Speaker 2: downtime at work. I remember those days. I'm fucking yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm researching, I'm fucking making thumbnails for the shows. I'm
Speaker 2: reaching out to potential guests. What are you doing with
Speaker 2: your downtime? Are you doom scrolling and just you know,
Speaker 2: complaining to every everybody else about your lack of success
Speaker 2: or you actually trying to do something about it. And
Speaker 2: that's the other thing too, I'll say in there is
Speaker 2: time management and utilizing your time wisely, you know, So
Speaker 2: like that's that's going to be another play in it too, man.
Speaker 2: But ultimately, my opinion is you're going to get what
Speaker 2: you put into it, you know. And if you're putting
Speaker 2: in your your your heart and soul, truly into what
Speaker 2: you're doing. You're going to see your heart and soul
Speaker 2: manifest into this existence. If you're half asking it and
Speaker 2: holding the victim mentality and complaining all the time about
Speaker 2: your lack of success, you know that that's all you're
Speaker 2: ultimately going to end up being, because that's where you're
Speaker 2: putting your focus and your energy.
Speaker 1: You put your focus, you put your imagination, you put
Speaker 1: your excitement, your passion, your energy, all of those feelings
Speaker 1: that contain that powerful energy, you put it into what
Speaker 1: you're working with, and it's fuel for that. It's rocket
Speaker 1: fuel and it propels you where the hell you want
Speaker 1: to go. But thank you for that, Steven, and thank
Speaker 1: you for what you're doing. It's fantastic. Before we go,
Speaker 1: let everyone know how they can find out more, get
Speaker 1: in touch with you, sign up all the good stuff.
Speaker 2: All right, guys. So of course you know I am
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Speaker 2: is a great conversation man, and thanks for letting me
Speaker 2: talk about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, And if they want to sign up for your services,
Speaker 1: what's the best way to contact you?
Speaker 2: So, guys, go ahead and it's BEG Bodymindspirit dot com.
Speaker 2: That's the actual website.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: You'll find my email, my social media X would be
Speaker 2: the best way to reach out to me if you're
Speaker 2: going to go that route, but you can email me
Speaker 2: too as well. And yeah, let me know if you
Speaker 2: want to sit down for a consultation. The consultations are free,
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Speaker 2: the trigger right there after the consultation or you want
Speaker 2: to try a two week trial, we can do that.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: It's totally up to what is in your ballpark. And
Speaker 2: what is in your vision at that point in time.
Speaker 2: So that's BG Bodymindspirit dot Com. And yeah, just swing
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Speaker 1: And Steven, thank you so much. We will of course
Speaker 1: be doing this again and until next time, everyone, have
Speaker 1: an excellent evening today. I want to welcome Julian Palmer.
Speaker 1: He is a researcher and writer who has been deeply
Speaker 1: exploring psychedelics for over twenty two years. In the mid
Speaker 1: nineties he developed Changa, a blend of DMT and herbs,
Speaker 1: which is now a global phenomena. He is also an
Speaker 1: author and has spoken extensively at psychedelic conferences and festivals
Speaker 1: all over the world. His podcast is Revelations with Julian Palmer.
Speaker 1: Julian welcome, How you doing?
Speaker 3: Thanks, Chris doing well. I'm here in Melbourne, Australia. It
Speaker 3: we call it Melbourne. It's a kind of a choky city,
Speaker 3: five million people. You know. Tasmania is a bit south
Speaker 3: of En that's Antarctica, so it's pretty crazy weather, but
Speaker 3: really good coffee.
Speaker 1: Awesome, man, Yeah, I love a good cup of coffee.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that some of my audience may be
Speaker 1: sick of me talking about psychedelics and doing shows, but
Speaker 1: it's because of psychedelics that I am on the path
Speaker 1: I'm on and doing what I do and will continue
Speaker 1: to do. So my journey has been with psilocybin. I
Speaker 1: know that you have developed something called changa, which I've
Speaker 1: never tried. I'm sure the universe will lead me to
Speaker 1: it if it's supposed to, but I'm very much looking
Speaker 1: forward to learning all about it, as well as getting
Speaker 1: some of your insights into what we're experiencing and interacting
Speaker 1: with when using these substances. What is your first time
Speaker 1: on Before we get into that, let the audience know
Speaker 1: more about yourself and what led you on your path.
Speaker 3: Well, I got started in the internets and the web
Speaker 3: in the very early days in the mid nineties, so
Speaker 3: that would give an idea rest of my age and
Speaker 3: and so I was working in that area, which was
Speaker 3: which was quite interesting, but it wasn't really that fulfilling
Speaker 3: for me. And I suppose I was involved in, you know,
Speaker 3: trying to really discover a spirituality in a very spiritually
Speaker 3: poor culture. So I basically, you know, I found Australia
Speaker 3: to be not really very you know, spiritually aware or
Speaker 3: that many people involved in that sort of thing at
Speaker 3: that time. So yeah, basically around the year two thousand
Speaker 3: I came across. It was nineteen ninety nine actually that
Speaker 3: I first came across DMT, and of course I was
Speaker 3: fascinated by it, and there wasn't much going around in
Speaker 3: the world, but we have the Acacias in Australia, so
Speaker 3: people extracting DMT from the acacias, and so I got started,
Speaker 3: and you know that that became my job. I became
Speaker 3: a full time advocate for d MT and ACACIA and
Speaker 3: I started sharing that medicine with people the ACACIA and
Speaker 3: Syrian RU. I started facilitating groups in two thousand and two,
Speaker 3: and I only really retired late last year, you know,
Speaker 3: simply because I've spent you know, after spending twenty two
Speaker 3: years in the trenches, you know, with grown adults, you know,
Speaker 3: essentially you know, being a you know sham and no,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't call myself that. It's not particularly glamorous kind
Speaker 3: of cleaning.
Speaker 4: Vomit off people and taking them to the bathroom and
Speaker 4: you know, dealing with all their dark, shadowy craze material.
Speaker 3: It's quite you know it's quite challenging. So yeah, I'd say, yeah,
Speaker 3: I've been kind of quite deep in there for a
Speaker 3: long time. And then I guess, oh, you know, it
Speaker 3: would have been in the last six years or so
Speaker 3: we've seen this rapid engagement of psychedelics in the more
Speaker 3: medicalization space for treating medical conditions. So yeah, I've been
Speaker 3: watching and observing and yeah, commenting on what I've seen
Speaker 3: and observed in this spaces for the last you know,
Speaker 3: over a couple of decades.
Speaker 1: Now, excellent, Now, tell us a little bit about your
Speaker 1: journey and what led you to create Changa and tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about what that is.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so I was living in this area called
Speaker 3: Byron Bay in Australia, which is a bit of an
Speaker 3: alternative hot spot, a bit of a tourist town, and
Speaker 3: people around that area had been extracted DMT from acacias,
Speaker 3: but not that many people, just a handful of people,
Speaker 3: and people were quite scared of DMT because DMT was
Speaker 3: so powerful and strong, and people would you know, I
Speaker 3: knew this guy who'd give it to people and he'd
Speaker 3: just say.
Speaker 5: Smoke this, lie down, you're gonna die, you know, and
Speaker 5: then they'd be like.
Speaker 3: You know, so people were like, you can imagine at
Speaker 3: that point that people have never experienced anything like it. Now,
Speaker 3: you know, now, I think, you know, there's something to
Speaker 3: be said for morphic residence, where you know, more and
Speaker 3: more people have done something and it becomes, you know,
Speaker 3: part of the culture. The human brain knows how to
Speaker 3: understand it. I think in the late nineties early noughties,
Speaker 3: most people, you know, the kind of elders, you know,
Speaker 3: the guys with the white b were like, we don't
Speaker 3: think humanity is ready for d MT, you know, they
Speaker 3: were just like it were. People were pretty freaked out
Speaker 3: about it because it was quite a revelation and the
Speaker 3: stuff Australian acacias is really strong too. There's you know,
Speaker 3: there's five A MEO in some of them, and other
Speaker 3: alkaloids we don't even know about that are probably stronger
Speaker 3: than d m T. So, you know, people, people were
Speaker 3: pretty blown away. So what happened is a friend and
Speaker 3: I we extracted goo from an Acacia casha two cifolia
Speaker 3: is a species name because they've got lots of other
Speaker 3: alkaloids in them, and so some of those arkaloids don't
Speaker 3: crystallize into d MT. So we we put it fifty
Speaker 3: fifty in Aahuascar vine shavings and smoke that and you know,
Speaker 3: I gave out a bunch of people and they all said, look,
Speaker 3: it's too strong. So I thought, okay, well what I'll
Speaker 3: do is I'll add maline and peppermint to that, and
Speaker 3: then also passionflower. And I heard that maline and peppermint
Speaker 3: made for a much smoother smoke because moline is a
Speaker 3: long herb. And then I added blue lotus as well,
Speaker 3: and I have the ratio, so rather than fifty percent
Speaker 3: was twenty five p m. So that's original recipe shanga
Speaker 3: which I called it. And you know, the name came
Speaker 3: through on an ayahuasca group that I held at my
Speaker 3: house and I, you know, the name just came to me.
Speaker 3: And we thought it was quite funny because it's like
Speaker 3: very Australian. It sounds like something you'd you know, like
Speaker 3: Oka Australians sort of like what would you call them,
Speaker 3: you know, trailer trash Australians. An American perspective, I would.
Speaker 2: Say, yeah, that's the chain and give me a beer,
Speaker 2: you know, smoke exciting shit, you know.
Speaker 3: So we thought it was very funny, and so it
Speaker 3: was quite amusing to me that the name caught on.
Speaker 3: There was another name that was being used. People were
Speaker 3: calling it Dreamly for dream Time, because it was actually
Speaker 3: being sold in the shops, you know, under the counter
Speaker 3: in chain of shops called Happy Herbal Hires in Australia,
Speaker 3: and they were calling it dream Time, and other people
Speaker 3: called it dream Leaf and so and I was calling
Speaker 3: it smoke Mix at the time, and so, yeah, pretty
Speaker 3: much the next oh, you know, it's like two thousand
Speaker 3: and three, two thousand and four. You know, I kind
Speaker 3: of planted these seeds all around the world, you know,
Speaker 3: and other people did as well, you know, took it
Speaker 3: to various countries and show people how to make it.
Speaker 3: You know Dan Schreiber, who's dead now. He took it
Speaker 3: to Hawaii and the States and South Africa. You know,
Speaker 3: I know a guy who showed how to do it.
Speaker 3: He took it to Brazil, and yeah, but I sort
Speaker 3: of I mostly focused on Europe and you know South
Speaker 3: America as well. You know, took it to conferences and
Speaker 3: gatherings and gave it to prominent people or whenever I could.
Speaker 3: You know, England is a big place, of course. I
Speaker 3: arrived in England quite early in you know, two o five,
Speaker 3: two oh six. Yeah, and then at the Boom Festival
Speaker 3: in two o eight it kind of you know, people
Speaker 3: started to really pay attention and they were like wow,
Speaker 3: you know, because crystal d MT it's hard to smoke.
Speaker 3: You know, you can put it in a it's not
Speaker 3: you get some you need to freebase it in a
Speaker 3: glass pipe or you know, put in a bond and
Speaker 3: which method layer in herbs, So it's not easy thing
Speaker 3: to smoke and way up. Whereas changer you can just
Speaker 3: put some in a cone, in a boon or a
Speaker 3: pipe or a joint and off you go. You know,
Speaker 3: so makes sense, and then you can have a light,
Speaker 3: a lighter experience that's more gentle, that you can assimilate
Speaker 3: and integrate. That's not going to blow your socks off.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can just have a little bit that's
Speaker 3: just going to amplify your senses and your visual field.
Speaker 3: You're going to have this quite nice medicinal feeling. So
Speaker 3: it's really not that much different to you know, smoking
Speaker 3: crystal d MT, except I found that integration tends to
Speaker 3: be better. Duration is a bit longer, there's a bit
Speaker 3: more warmth to get a bit of warmth after glow
Speaker 3: from the ayahuascovine. You know, I remember some years ago
Speaker 3: some friends introduced me to these DMT in vake pens
Speaker 3: and we were just like, nah, nah, this is like
Speaker 3: very artificial, had a real fifth element vibe about it,
Speaker 3: like the what's that Luke Basson, the French film director.
Speaker 3: It felt like it didn't feel organic or integrated or real.
Speaker 3: So there's something to be said about, you know, using
Speaker 3: with the Aaohuascar vine smoking DMT with the Aohuascar vine,
Speaker 3: which the traditionally you know, in the Amazon has been
Speaker 3: considered to be the guiding factor and force. You know,
Speaker 3: it's Ahohuascar brew. It's not the DMT brew. They don't
Speaker 3: even know about DMT. So for them, you know, it's
Speaker 3: all about the a Aahuascar And so you know a
Speaker 3: lot of people, some people these days are adding you
Speaker 3: know harmulers from Syrian rue. Yeah, it's does the same
Speaker 3: sort of thing. But there's something about that Aahuascar vine
Speaker 3: that's powerful and magical as a as a guiding entity.
Speaker 3: So from my perspective, if it doesn't have the ayahuask
Speaker 3: of vine in it, it's not really it's not that
Speaker 3: much different to smoking DMT because it's the iowask of
Speaker 3: vine that activates, say, in the Amazonan tradition, the iowasca
Speaker 3: vine activates all the herbs and plants that you're using,
Speaker 3: So they use these addmixtures in their brewis. So when
Speaker 3: you have iwuask of vine and other herbs in your changa,
Speaker 3: the aowuasc of vine and the DMT is going to
Speaker 3: activate those qualities. So you're going to have this, you know,
Speaker 3: very strong medicinal effect. So the maline, for example, becomes
Speaker 3: connection you can have. I've had powerful lung healings from
Speaker 3: smoking maline in changa. You know, I was chain smoking
Speaker 3: at the time, you know, back in like I think
Speaker 3: it was like two o five, and you know, I
Speaker 3: was smoke a lot of tobacco and then you know,
Speaker 3: smoking changa, and my lungs felt amazingly healed, you know,
Speaker 3: amazingly fresh, like I'd never been a smoker. So that's
Speaker 3: when I really twigged that, Wow, these admixtures are powerful.
Speaker 3: Then I went to the Amazon you know, later on
Speaker 3: in that year, and I learned more about admixture plants
Speaker 3: and how the ayahuasca is activates these plants because they
Speaker 3: consider the Ayahuascar iron to be the mother of all
Speaker 3: plants that activates those plants. So yeah, I mean you
Speaker 3: can you know, you could put you could put the
Speaker 3: harmelers in your vap pen and it might extend duration.
Speaker 3: But there's something to be said about smoking those herbs
Speaker 3: that are chemical bland in a vaporizer or a bomb
Speaker 3: where you're going to get this rich, full, you know, experience,
Speaker 3: whereas it's like for me, you know, the vate pan
Speaker 3: is is like the McDonald's a DMD. It's like, no,
Speaker 3: that's not there's no craftsmanship involved there. You know, you
Speaker 3: don't know where that d m T has come from.
Speaker 3: You don't know how they harvested it, you know. So
Speaker 3: I've come from this food to table perspective where the
Speaker 3: whole way along you're doing everything very consciously. You're recognizing
Speaker 3: that there's your your you know, paying your respects to
Speaker 3: the plant spirits involved. And I think that's very important
Speaker 3: because in our day and age, you talk to you know,
Speaker 3: hanging out with a PhD in Euroscientists recently, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 3: plant spirits, you know that's not you know, you get
Speaker 3: kicked out of the academy. You start talking about plant spirits.
Speaker 3: You can't, that's not that's not science, you know, but
Speaker 3: you know, exponentially, that's what people experience, you know, experentially
Speaker 3: with you know, say, you know, Chance mcanna would always
Speaker 3: talk about the mushroom spirit and people talk about Mama
Speaker 3: ayahuasca for example, and you know when people take a
Speaker 3: boga or it begin, you know, they experienced this really
Speaker 3: strong phrasance who's guiding them and teaching them. So, you know,
Speaker 3: I think one day the science will catch up and
Speaker 3: we'll see we'll see some way to understand what people
Speaker 3: actually experience, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, while we're going into these spiritual realms.
Speaker 1: This is what I wanted to get into. What is
Speaker 1: your understanding of what's occurring in our consciousness, in our minds?
Speaker 1: Are we interacting with intelligences that we can't perceive. Are
Speaker 1: we putting one foot outside of this physical reality into
Speaker 1: more of a astral realm or a different dimension? What
Speaker 1: do you think?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean when I first began getting into it,
Speaker 3: I remember I did really high mushroom doses in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety nine and I experienced you know the first time,
Speaker 3: you know, you meet your guides and you you have
Speaker 3: this awareness of and you have this direct experience of
Speaker 3: a vast reality. It's kind of hard to say you
Speaker 3: can do it. You can, I know, people have you know,
Speaker 3: you can say, oh, that's not real, it's projection on
Speaker 3: my mind, right, kind of can do that, but the
Speaker 3: vividness and intelligence of the experience, you kind of got
Speaker 3: to say, sorry, sorry, guys, you're not real. This is
Speaker 3: a projection of my mind. And I'm deciding to say
Speaker 3: that because science, right, you know, and I think my
Speaker 3: understanding is the experiences themselves are rather evident. You know,
Speaker 3: you'll have this communication from these intelligen genies, which is
Speaker 3: a very intelligent communication. You know, it doesn't appear as
Speaker 3: a projection, it doesn't appear as a you know, like
Speaker 3: a it's actually quite meaningful. These these communications are very meaningful.
Speaker 3: So I think there's something to be said about embracing
Speaker 3: the mystery of this and not trying to you know,
Speaker 3: contextualize or try and understand understand it, because I don't
Speaker 3: honestly know if we can, you know, we can only
Speaker 3: just experience it. But I think the mistake people make,
Speaker 3: like I said, it's like it's really giving the rational
Speaker 3: mind way too much credibility and our you know, we
Speaker 3: live in twenty twenty four, right, Okay, presuming civilization is
Speaker 3: going to be around five hundred years, We've got to
Speaker 3: think not be so arrogant to think that we know
Speaker 3: everything that there is to know about, like you know,
Speaker 3: hyperdimensional consciousness and trip to mean consciousness, when we've only
Speaker 3: in the West, we've only had access to these substances
Speaker 3: in any you know, degree for a couple of decades.
Speaker 3: It hasn't haven't been long in our culture, whereas other cultures,
Speaker 3: you know, they've had them for hundreds, if not thousands
Speaker 3: of years. They have their own cosmologies related to it.
Speaker 3: So we'd be better, we'd be We do well to
Speaker 3: listen to what they say, but not completely. You know,
Speaker 3: they've got their own often their own dogma and their
Speaker 3: own rigid beliefs in some respects. But I think we've
Speaker 3: got to think about Okay, well, this is a developing field,
Speaker 3: you know, this is an emerging understanding where we're bringing
Speaker 3: this kind of you know, this Western mentality, you know,
Speaker 3: more kind of scientific, you know, non so called non
Speaker 3: superstitious viewpoint to understanding these states, and that hey, we
Speaker 3: don't we don't have it all you get out. You know,
Speaker 3: it's actually it's not really very unintelligent perspective to think.
Speaker 6: Yeah, science twenty twenty four, we got it covered, boys,
Speaker 6: and we got this down, like neuroscience to the wind.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like, no, we don't know much about it.
Speaker 3: The more you know, it's like, what's that Dunning Kruger effect,
Speaker 3: Like the more you understand about something, the more you
Speaker 3: understand that you don't know. You know, It's like it's
Speaker 3: like Dennis McKenna would say, related to ayahuasca, how how?
Speaker 3: And he's the guy who did all the farmer pharmacological
Speaker 3: work on how Aiahuascar works, and he says, how ayahuascar
Speaker 3: works is a complete mystery, you know, because he understands
Speaker 3: you're seeing it. He's drunk hundreds of times he works
Speaker 3: with people in those states. And I think, yeah, the
Speaker 3: more you understand, the more you understand. There's a lot
Speaker 3: that you don't understand. But you know, the main thing
Speaker 3: that I think is important to main understand him to
Speaker 3: have is not to let this, you know, the so
Speaker 3: called logical rational mind just go no, no, that's not real.
Speaker 3: It's just a trip. Road's all in your mind.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I just think that's a cultural glitch. You know, that's
Speaker 3: a cultural that's a cultural artifact of you know, the studio.
Speaker 3: It's not actually a logical rational perspective. I think they
Speaker 3: actually kicked me off read a rational psychonaut and couldn't
Speaker 3: explain why because I go in there arguing all these
Speaker 3: points and having these strong conversations. Was it being rude?
Speaker 3: I was quite polite about it, but they kicked me
Speaker 3: off eventually. I think I was possibly true rational for them.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like this idea that like rationality is
Speaker 3: like no, only the ration, only the mind is real.
Speaker 3: You know, it's actually quite a narcissistic perspective. It's what's
Speaker 3: going on in here? All about this? It's nothing else
Speaker 3: just that, right, It's nonsensical. Actually, it's doesn't make any
Speaker 3: sense because it would make sense that that, you know,
Speaker 3: just like the theoretical physicists say, well, there's all these
Speaker 3: dimensions and all these realities, right, makes sense that there's
Speaker 3: not just okay, what's going on in all these dimensions?
Speaker 3: You know, they talk about these dimensions of these somehow
Speaker 3: empty spaces, right, But it's like, what it's actually going
Speaker 3: on there is there's some sort of sentience happening in
Speaker 3: these dimensions. And I think, you know, I think you
Speaker 3: can you can smoke DMT and you can have an
Speaker 3: experience where you go into some sort of string theory world,
Speaker 3: you know, and have an experience.
Speaker 6: Way beyond the third dimensional, and then you come back
Speaker 6: into the three D.
Speaker 3: And you're like you're trying to bring it back and
Speaker 3: you can't quite do it. It's just too hard to
Speaker 3: you know. And I think that experience is good to have,
Speaker 3: just to have go oh yeah, right, okay, well there's
Speaker 3: we got this three D world, but there's all this
Speaker 3: other stuff there too, Rather than this view was like, no, guys,
Speaker 3: it's just us. It's just us monkeys. We don't know
Speaker 3: what happened, but it.
Speaker 7: Just it all just randomly assembled, this highly sophisticated organic machine,
Speaker 7: amazingly muteated into this fabulously intelligent machine.
Speaker 3: Isn't that wonderful? You know? And yeah it is, it
Speaker 3: is wonderful, But it's like it's a non you know.
Speaker 3: Look you look at the human body and the bones
Speaker 3: and the lungs and the organs. It's like, yeah, yeah, guys,
Speaker 3: it's just randomly assembled by mutation and chance. Because we
Speaker 3: came out of the sea, right, and that's the thing.
Speaker 3: We're kind of prisoner to this orthodoxy. And I've recently,
Speaker 3: you know, I've been hearing from you know, people very
Speaker 3: high up in the sort of scientific establishment. Not from them,
Speaker 3: but people who know them, who say that, you know,
Speaker 3: there's a ton of people who don't agree with the
Speaker 3: theory of evolution, but they don't want to They don't
Speaker 3: want to talk about it because they would lose credibility
Speaker 3: and they lose their jobs. You know. It's like there's
Speaker 3: a ton of people who don't want to talk about
Speaker 3: their experience hyperdimensional consciousness. You know, they don't want to
Speaker 3: talk about meeting faories and plant spirits and stuff like
Speaker 3: this because they don't feel that they'd be they wouldn't
Speaker 3: be taken credibly. Like I met a famous Australian cricket player.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this game cricket. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: they played in India, Australia West Indies. I met this
Speaker 3: like really famous you know one you know blokes, bloke,
Speaker 3: you know, really well known. You would never think and
Speaker 3: I met I met a friend of his who introduced
Speaker 3: me to him, and he told me that he smoked
Speaker 3: DMT and that he was in his garden. I hope
Speaker 3: he's not watching this button anyway. He's anonymous. But he
Speaker 3: was in his garden and he saw this theory, and
Speaker 3: the fairy said to him in this Aussie voice, likedate,
Speaker 3: what are you doing, like throwing cigarette butts in the garden.
Speaker 3: Don't fucking do it, and then zipped out, and he
Speaker 3: was like, WHOA, Okay, so fairies are real. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, but I don't think there's all these people
Speaker 3: out they're in the you know, in the psychedelic world.
Speaker 3: They have their own experiences and they have their own realities,
Speaker 3: but they might be shy about, you know, talking about
Speaker 3: plant spirits or you know, talking about other realities because.
Speaker 8: We're we're in a sense, we're imprisoned by a cult
Speaker 8: whereby materialism is the cult.
Speaker 3: And that's our world. And to talk against or outside
Speaker 3: of that box, you know, there's there's forces who don't
Speaker 3: want us, who want us to be imprisoned in the
Speaker 3: in the physical, in the apparent physical right. You know,
Speaker 3: they don't want us to wake up out of that
Speaker 3: and realize there's other stuff out there. So as soon
Speaker 3: as you start talking about that I think people feel like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, Kim Jong un, you know, or I e.
Speaker 3: The tyranny. It's not gonna want that. I'm scared of
Speaker 3: being you know, shot by submarine guns. You know. I
Speaker 3: think people there's you know, and I think possibly, you know,
Speaker 3: this is called the topic of all topics, and I
Speaker 3: think that people are scared of talking about you know,
Speaker 3: other dimensions entities because you know that factor and often
Speaker 3: these people are at the more you know, the people
Speaker 3: who should be our influences and really, you know, really,
Speaker 3: you know, telling people how it is, a lot of
Speaker 3: them are kind of cavetching and going more on the
Speaker 3: fence and saying, oh, could be this could be that,
Speaker 3: you know, whereas privately they know exactly what's happening, you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that's I think that's what's going on,
Speaker 3: that we are in a kind of a tyranny, and
Speaker 3: there is that threat, whether implied or actual, of like
Speaker 3: don't talk about that because you you know, you'll get punished,
Speaker 3: you know, or or whatever it is, or you'll you know,
Speaker 3: your status will will go down in the scientific community,
Speaker 3: or you won't get your you won't get your honorary doctorate.
Speaker 3: Or you know, that's how a lot of these people
Speaker 3: not putting anyone down, but a lot of people who
Speaker 3: are in the high echelons of our you know, our
Speaker 3: real thought leaders, say there that's they're really They're wanting
Speaker 3: to be embraced by the establishment and the mainstream and
Speaker 3: they want they want their message to get out there.
Speaker 3: And I understand that. So they're scared of actually, you know,
Speaker 3: being made fun of, because in our society, as soon
Speaker 3: as you start talking about you know, little green men
Speaker 3: or you know, anything that's outside of the cultural box,
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, often there are people who want to
Speaker 3: make fun of you. But I think, yeah, well, I
Speaker 3: think Joe Rogan, I mean, it's quite phenomenal really that
Speaker 3: the biggest podcaster in the world is someone has been
Speaker 3: advocating for and understand. I think he really gets it.
Speaker 3: And you know that hey like dmt How astounding, how amazing,
Speaker 3: how significant is it? So I think in a sense
Speaker 3: we have reason to be optimistic. And especially with these
Speaker 3: d mt X studies, they're doing extended state DM and
Speaker 3: there are people, you know, there are people like Andrew Gallimore,
Speaker 3: you know who I really rate him as a human being,
Speaker 3: as a researcher who are doing great work. And you know,
Speaker 3: the people behind the d M t X research, they've
Speaker 3: really got this open mind and they I think they
Speaker 3: you know, they understand, they see the significance and the
Speaker 3: meaning of this, because really what we have in d
Speaker 3: MT is a way that we can access this, you know,
Speaker 3: dimensions and realms that have previously been closed off to
Speaker 3: the Western mind. You know, we've been imprisoned with this
Speaker 3: within these religious structures where you know, which says well,
Speaker 3: you need to you need to come to church if
Speaker 3: you want to meet God, right, you know, and we're
Speaker 3: going to read this book, and it's all in here.
Speaker 3: And you know, DMT is radical because it's like, wait on,
Speaker 3: you can just smoke this and you can you realize
Speaker 3: you don't need the book. And so I know that
Speaker 3: it's quite confronting. I have quite a few contacts in
Speaker 3: the Israeli scene, interestingly enough, and in Israel, changa's quite
Speaker 3: prevalent because I have a big psychoolic trans scene, and
Speaker 3: I knowing Israel in particular for some reason, people were
Speaker 3: telling me. Yet it's more confronting for the Israeli consciousness
Speaker 3: to have that understanding of the hyperdimension or the other
Speaker 3: dimension or the other worldly, the numinous, whatever you want
Speaker 3: to call it. And having this sense that there's an
Speaker 3: interchange of intelligence where you suddenly you don't need that
Speaker 3: book anymore. You don't need those books, you know, and
Speaker 3: that puts you outside of the realm of control. That
Speaker 3: puts you outside of the realm of you know, divisive control.
Speaker 3: You know, like pretty much all the most of the
Speaker 3: Israelis I know are piece nicks, Like they didn't sign
Speaker 3: up to the army, you know. I think in all
Speaker 3: political stuff, we've got to realize there are a lot
Speaker 3: of Israelis that went to jail because they didn't they
Speaker 3: didn't want to go into the military, you know. So
Speaker 3: we just hop space in all this conflict to respect,
Speaker 3: you know, sacrifices that people made to to, you know,
Speaker 3: for so there's a lot of cool Israelis out there.
Speaker 3: And also that I have heard, I haven't met them,
Speaker 3: that they have extracted d MT from acasias in Israel, too,
Speaker 3: which is I've met. I met a I know, a
Speaker 3: very well known psychedelic trance producer who go to Israel,
Speaker 3: and he saw some people who extracted from a local
Speaker 3: acacia right in front of his eyes. So this was
Speaker 3: some years ago now when I went to Israel, that
Speaker 3: didn't happen for me.
Speaker 1: But I want to get a little deeper into the
Speaker 1: possible dangers if any of interacting with some of these
Speaker 1: intelligences would the nature of their intentions, if there is
Speaker 1: any intentions for me. Before I even started exploring my
Speaker 1: consciousness with mushrooms or any type of psychedelics, I was
Speaker 1: able to make contact with what I understand is my
Speaker 1: guides and my higher self through meditation sessions, and it
Speaker 1: was through this initial contact that my guides instructed me
Speaker 1: that psilocybin or magic mushrooms would be very beneficial in
Speaker 1: aligning with my purpose and my journey in finding out
Speaker 1: more about myself and what I have to do. So
Speaker 1: I took the advice of these mysterious voices that I
Speaker 1: encountered during my meditation session and started utilizing psychedelics. But
Speaker 1: I was under the understanding that these guides made contact
Speaker 1: with me so that I could have protection during these experiences,
Speaker 1: because somehow, you know how these things work. I knew
Speaker 1: that I'd be eventually exploring these realms with psychedelics, so
Speaker 1: I apparently approached myself and offered myself protection. So through
Speaker 1: my experiences, I was always protected when interacting with some
Speaker 1: of these other intelligences. And even though I would contact
Speaker 1: tricksters and what seemed like lower vibrational entities, I'd always
Speaker 1: feel safe with the interaction because my guides would be
Speaker 1: there to steer me in the right direction or tell
Speaker 1: me no, don't interact with this thing. So is there
Speaker 1: any true danger to interacting with these things, especially without protection?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Well there's a lot of talk interestingly about
Speaker 3: people who are being injured through meditation recently. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you've been catching any of that dialogue, right,
Speaker 3: there's an interesting podcast that was on James Jesso's podcast recently,
Speaker 3: and just a general I've been hearing about it more
Speaker 3: and morphine people. So in my understanding that that if
Speaker 3: you have these transcendental experiences and you have this awakening
Speaker 3: and you come into these powerful states, from my perspective,
Speaker 3: what can happen is that you can actually be possibly
Speaker 3: confronted with forces who don't want you to awaken. And
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people might go into meditation
Speaker 3: or life itself. You know, human no one really tells
Speaker 3: us that, you know, guys, don't be careful because you know,
Speaker 3: if you awaken to a certain capacity, you're going to
Speaker 3: be a threat to the powers that be, right, you know,
Speaker 3: we have this it's a little bit in Australia. It's
Speaker 3: called the tall Poppy syndrome, where it's like everyone is
Speaker 3: trying to cut you down all the time and prevent
Speaker 3: you from growing at all. So not many people in
Speaker 3: Australia get to the point of much growth because it's
Speaker 3: such a crab bucket culture, right, But it's not like
Speaker 3: that in many cultures. It's quite you know, you you're
Speaker 3: you're you're supposed to become as great as you can
Speaker 3: and you know, reach the highest place.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It certainly is elements like that in Australia too. But
Speaker 3: I would say in my understanding that yeah, if you
Speaker 3: do reach a certain point of spiritual development and awareness
Speaker 3: and you start to understand say the matrix, right, then
Speaker 3: you I think you might actually trip a wire somewhere
Speaker 3: or send off an alarm and suddenly you're going to
Speaker 3: be confronted with some beings who might be enforced with
Speaker 3: kind of shutting you down. You know. So this is
Speaker 3: just my interpretation and how I've interpreted what I understand now,
Speaker 3: and so I experience myself these days. If I'm up leveling,
Speaker 3: if I'm moving up a level, as it were, and
Speaker 3: I'm you know, increasing my vibration or whatever you want
Speaker 3: to call it, I find that I do get attacked.
Speaker 3: But I know how to defend myself now, so it's
Speaker 3: not a problem for me. But if I didn't know
Speaker 3: how to defend myself, it would really be a problem.
Speaker 3: And I think, like what you said, I think if
Speaker 3: people do have a connection to guides or beings who
Speaker 3: can protect them, who can guide them, I think that's
Speaker 3: how a lot of the you know, a lot of
Speaker 3: people actually do it, who do reach these dates. And
Speaker 3: it's well known that people like Jesus and Buddha, you know,
Speaker 3: in their process of enlightenment, that they had to go
Speaker 3: through a confrontation with the forces that control the planet.
Speaker 3: That's all well documented in the religious texts, where they
Speaker 3: actually have to break through that barrier. And I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it's if you don't know about it, I
Speaker 3: think it can be a bit of a shock. And
Speaker 3: I do meet people who are you flying along and
Speaker 3: they're starting to really get somewhere, and then they go splat.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm seeing it more and more and more,
Speaker 3: and they just suddenly okay, you know, super light worker being,
Speaker 3: you know, healing the world. Oh you're homeless and mentally ill,
Speaker 3: you know. So it happens to people more than we think.
Speaker 3: And what I see is that, yeah, there are these
Speaker 3: there are these beings who you know, don't want humanity
Speaker 3: to wake up. They don't want individuals to wake up.
Speaker 3: They want to maintain a kind of a tyranny. And yeah,
Speaker 3: so that so very often I think, yeah, it is
Speaker 3: something to be really aware of. And it's not that
Speaker 3: much discussion of it in our culture because it's pretty
Speaker 3: much the topic is sort of a botom, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like, don't talk about that, you know, that's not allowed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, earlier you were seeing how you had tried the
Speaker 1: dmt V pins and it was a very cold and
Speaker 1: disconnected experience and it didn't seem like it had this
Speaker 1: natural connection to what you would call source or even nature.
Speaker 1: It was very cold. And I experienced this with LSD
Speaker 1: And this was a couple of years ago, after I
Speaker 1: had started my consciousness exploration. Somebody had offered me some
Speaker 1: and I mistakenly took it because I was very curious
Speaker 1: about the experience. I hadn't done it since I was
Speaker 1: very young, in my teenage years, and I found the
Speaker 1: experience to be very cold, and I felt like I
Speaker 1: was connecting with something that didn't have humanity's best interest
Speaker 1: in mind. And I'm wondering that if this is another
Speaker 1: danger for people who are utilizing different types of psychedelics
Speaker 1: that may not have that plant spirit connection that you
Speaker 1: were talking about, and maybe connecting to something else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah. I go into this in my
Speaker 3: book Articulations, which is like almost ten years old now,
Speaker 3: and I talk about this. I talk about taking research
Speaker 3: chemicals like DOC and two CB and you know, and
Speaker 3: those used to be more common fifteen twenty years ago,
Speaker 3: but now China isn't allowed legally allowed to make them.
Speaker 3: They're not as prevalent as they used to be. And
Speaker 3: I would see that there is an intelligent synthetic being
Speaker 3: that I would call that I call the anima, and
Speaker 3: that's that anima is a like a life force, but
Speaker 3: it's not entrenched within the organic systems within the Earth.
Speaker 3: It's an artificial intelligence. And a lot of these intelligences
Speaker 3: are quite new. They were made in a lab and suddenly, yeah,
Speaker 3: the intelligence. It's like you don't have a plant spirit anymore.
Speaker 3: You have this anima which is a synthetic intelligence, and
Speaker 3: it it actually does guide you to some degree, but
Speaker 3: it it doesn't necessarily have your best interest at heart,
Speaker 3: and it doesn't necessarily want you know, it in some
Speaker 3: of them, and they're all different, of course, some of them,
Speaker 3: and it depends on who made them as well where
Speaker 3: they come from. You know, like LSD is LSD is
Speaker 3: a semi synthetic substance made from the ergot, and so
Speaker 3: ergot mean is the precursor to then they kind of
Speaker 3: tweak the ergo to MEAN, which is like, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: a it's a fungus sort of that grows on the rye,
Speaker 3: and then they tweak it to become LSD. So it's fun.
Speaker 3: It's semi synthetic, it's half synthetic. So it's like the
Speaker 3: original ergot. If you take that, you're going to go
Speaker 3: mad and die. You know, back in the day, you
Speaker 3: know that the people eating the bread that was affected
Speaker 3: with the ergot, and you know, the whole town would
Speaker 3: go mad and die, you know, and really not good.
Speaker 3: So I think there's something I don't think that LSD
Speaker 3: is malevolent, and I think my experience with LSD is
Speaker 3: a lot of it depends on who made it, why
Speaker 3: they were making it, what ingredients they used, you know,
Speaker 3: so what it's almost like they're making a monster, or
Speaker 3: you know, it's a good monster in this sense, they're
Speaker 3: making the anima. And sometimes it can be more positive
Speaker 3: than others, and sometimes the experience can be quite you know,
Speaker 3: sort of tacky and superficial and not very not very
Speaker 3: helpful and a bit you know me. Other times, some
Speaker 3: LSD can be you know, if the people making and
Speaker 3: have got fucking crystals there and they're praying and whatever,
Speaker 3: and there are people aware of who are making LSD,
Speaker 3: in that manner, you're going to have a much more
Speaker 3: sort of transcendent experience. And maybe the people making it
Speaker 3: they actually know that they're making an an anime, they're
Speaker 3: creating a being in a way that is guiding people.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I think it can really vary batch
Speaker 3: to batch, especially I find even synthetic five of MEO
Speaker 3: d m T, you know, the stuff made from China
Speaker 3: almost not even more worrying about, whereas the stuff made
Speaker 3: by people who love five of me O d MT.
Speaker 3: It's it's a it's a world of difference. You know,
Speaker 3: it's completely different. So, you know, I think there is
Speaker 3: That's the thing. I used to like the synthetics because
Speaker 3: there was no guiding principle in there was just this
Speaker 3: blank screen and I can sort of, you know, I
Speaker 3: didn't have to deal with so much. I you know,
Speaker 3: I think there's the plant spirits and the mushrooms, they're
Speaker 3: they're they're kind of limiting you to a certain degree.
Speaker 3: They're putting limits on you, whereas its synthetics there's not limits.
Speaker 3: And I think some times you can cross the threshold
Speaker 3: and maybe go a bit far and trigger some events
Speaker 3: that maybe weren't supposed to be triggered, and you could
Speaker 3: get some you know, strange feedback. You get some strange
Speaker 3: experiences there. So you know, with Keadine you can experience
Speaker 3: and in real time you've got you're triggering these events
Speaker 3: and you know, you're in these different worlds and suddenly
Speaker 3: something happens that maybe doesn't feel like it should have
Speaker 3: supposed to be happened that you created, and you know,
Speaker 3: maybe pissed off some beans and some far dimension and
Speaker 3: they you know, it's a little bit like that sometimes.
Speaker 1: Now this leads to what I want to spend the
Speaker 1: last few minutes on it, and that's the medicalization of
Speaker 1: psychedelics and what is being attempted. And if you're concerned
Speaker 1: about what's happening, I know that with psilocybin there's talk
Speaker 1: of utilizing it for pharmaceutical purposes, But would that mean
Speaker 1: that the spiritual component, the plant guide would no longer
Speaker 1: be there? What do you think about what's happening here?
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it's kind of beside the point,
Speaker 3: like none of us much to do with the psychedelic revelation.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're seeing all these companies trying to create
Speaker 3: these compounds that are probably not going to be as
Speaker 3: effective as sila side natural silas cyber and they're going
Speaker 3: to be patented and whatever. And I think a lot
Speaker 3: of it's going probably better than nothing, or better than
Speaker 3: just therapy. But a lot of it's you know, treating Really,
Speaker 3: from my perspective, this isn't a you know, we're not
Speaker 3: you know, treating PTSD is important, treating depressions important, but
Speaker 3: you know, honestly, as people who are interested in these states,
Speaker 3: it's more about the spiritual awareness and the exploration and
Speaker 3: the self understanding and the awakening and the you know,
Speaker 3: the interpersonal alchemy and the magic that we can create,
Speaker 3: all that stuff, all this human potential stuff that people
Speaker 3: had in the sixties, you know, in a way, you know,
Speaker 3: having all these traumatized people, because in Australia, I know
Speaker 3: a lot of the these traumatized people are kind of
Speaker 3: running the show, you know, that they get into these
Speaker 3: positions of power kind of and suddenly you know, there's
Speaker 3: quite a lot of manipulation and deception. And you know,
Speaker 3: I've hung up with traumatized people, I know, traumatized people.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it can get very messy. And
Speaker 3: I think what we're seeing is something. And I've been
Speaker 3: putting this message out whenever I can, on podcasts and
Speaker 3: in my own writings. I think we're going to see
Speaker 3: a lot of mess and then a lot of people going.
Speaker 6: See psychedelics are bad. No, not less, no, not necessarily.
Speaker 6: It's like, well, that's just how I think. There are
Speaker 6: forces who want to, you know, derail this project. You know,
Speaker 6: I think there's forces who are like, well, we can't
Speaker 6: stop this, so let's just kind of co opt and
Speaker 6: capture what we can and steer it.
Speaker 1: That's what happens with every good movement.
Speaker 3: Exactly, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those of us who are watching,
Speaker 3: we see that with everything. Were like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Right on now for the last few minutes, we have
Speaker 1: tell us all about your film Contemplations.
Speaker 3: So I filmed Contemplations, you know, in a couple of
Speaker 3: years before COVID, and then you know, started really doing
Speaker 3: the editing in COVID times, and then you know, a
Speaker 3: couple of years later released it and yeah, it's two
Speaker 3: hours where I documenting the Australian scene and what people
Speaker 3: really think, because I think in the kind of general conversation,
Speaker 3: a lot of the real most interesting voices I'm not
Speaker 3: the established authorities. They are the people on the street,
Speaker 3: you know, who are actually taking the mushrooms, taking the
Speaker 3: cactus and doing the medicine work. They're not seeking attention,
Speaker 3: they're not seeking power, and they really know what they're
Speaker 3: talking about and they have a little wisdom. So I
Speaker 3: wanted to document a lot of these people and share
Speaker 3: their wisdom and perspective because you know, I think we
Speaker 3: only often hear about on podcasts or whatever about you know,
Speaker 3: these famous people, well known people who often don't really
Speaker 3: have that much experience. So you know, I wanted to
Speaker 3: explore issues like the beings and plant spirits and you know,
Speaker 3: the difficult and dark experiences that people have and try
Speaker 3: and be honest and true to that. So I think
Speaker 3: the medicalization context, you know, they're like psychop ellics.
Speaker 6: Are good, like no worries here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like no psychedelics there. There are issues, there
Speaker 3: are problems, and there's dangers, and so I really wanted
Speaker 3: to create this very honest conversation to kind of counterpoint
Speaker 3: the very I wouldn't necessarily call it dishonest, but rather
Speaker 3: shallow conversation that's happening in the medicalization field. You know,
Speaker 3: the medicalization people are like.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're trying to be a trojan horse and you know,
Speaker 6: get into the mainstream and before you know it, they
Speaker 6: become the trojan horse and they've got you know, a kid,
Speaker 6: kids and mortgage and they're they're.
Speaker 3: They're all the way in, you know. So yeah, it's basically,
Speaker 3: you know, Contemplations is really designed to say, hey, guys, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: psychedelics are amazing, wonderful, powerful tools that we can use
Speaker 3: and give people some guidance and give people some some
Speaker 3: perspective and tools that I don't think are being communicated
Speaker 3: in other places, so that, you know, to really give
Speaker 3: people some confidence to really DIY because I think that
Speaker 3: I can't necessarily see that much happening, say, within the
Speaker 3: framework of the establishment for quite some time. You know.
Speaker 3: It's like, if we really want to do the work,
Speaker 3: we've got to you know, use the tools, take them
Speaker 3: into our own hands, and yeah, find out how they work.
Speaker 1: Last thing, do you think that what's happening with the
Speaker 1: renewed interest in psychedelics and the more people that are
Speaker 1: becoming interested in utilizing plant medicines, that it could have
Speaker 1: a larger effect on the collective field of consciousness and
Speaker 1: maybe cause a little bit of an uptick in our
Speaker 1: consciousness evolution.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely think that's already happening. And there's all
Speaker 3: you know, in Australia we've had DMT. You know, a
Speaker 3: lot of people been smoking DMT. Like DMT has reached
Speaker 3: all levels of society, has reached everyone, and you know
Speaker 3: not you know a lot of famous, high profile people,
Speaker 3: people in positions of power. So there's a little revolution
Speaker 3: that's going on, you know, And I travel all over
Speaker 3: the world. I know many countries, a lot of people
Speaker 3: are taking mushrooms. They're microdocing mushrooms. You know, a lot
Speaker 3: of people are drinking ayahuasca and they're you know people,
Speaker 3: I know, people who are healing the trauma. Who are
Speaker 3: you know, clearing themselves of all this baggage, and they're
Speaker 3: really doing this powerful work. And I think, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: despite at times, you know, things can look abad on
Speaker 3: the Internet, actually you get out there in the real world,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of people actually waking up and you know,
Speaker 3: getting with it and getting much clearer and you know,
Speaker 3: becoming more aligned and connected to themselves. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: think there's a lot of there's a lot of room
Speaker 3: for optimism. So I think if you just, yeah, if
Speaker 3: you look on Twitter all the Internet, it's just a
Speaker 3: shit show of you know.
Speaker 5: Programming, counterprogramming, confusion, you know, all these distractions. When it's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's still you know, it's amazing that you know, we're
Speaker 5: in a place now that more and more people are
Speaker 5: able and then can actually access these materials and go
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 3: And and and and and do this in a work
Speaker 3: and have these awakenings. So yeah, it's it's actually quite
Speaker 3: quite an exciting time.
Speaker 1: I would say, yes, I agree, this was great information, Julian.
Speaker 1: Before we close out, let the audience know how they
Speaker 1: can find out more about you.
Speaker 3: So I've got a website. It's ww Julianpalmerism dot com.
Speaker 3: Contemplations you can watch for free on twobtob dot tv.
Speaker 3: It's on Amazon as well, you know, no ads. And
Speaker 3: I've got a book Articulations on the Utilizations of Meaning Psychedelics,
Speaker 3: which is you know, on Amazon and you know, get
Speaker 3: your local bookstore to order it. So yeah, that's that's uh.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm on social media. Connect to me.
Speaker 1: There, perfect, Julian, this was great. I'd love to do
Speaker 1: this again in the future. There's much more we could discuss.
Speaker 1: And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll
Speaker 1: talk again tomorrow. We'll see y'all.
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