1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,439 Speaker 1: And joining us, making her return to the show she 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,160 was on with us a long time ago. Amber Nicole 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:06,839 Cannon is here. 4 00:00:06,839 --> 00:00:08,839 Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, thank you for having me. 5 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:09,679 Speaker 3: Welcome back. 6 00:00:09,839 --> 00:00:11,279 Speaker 1: So what did you talk about when you were on 7 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,039 the show before, because we were talking about this off 8 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,800 air and it was so long ago, it was in 9 00:00:15,839 --> 00:00:17,719 the previous building, but it was like like how many 10 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,480 like would you say, like four or five years? 11 00:00:19,559 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 2: Four or five years, it's got to be at this point. 12 00:00:21,399 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. 13 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: So I'd founded a company called Uncharted and we teach 14 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,160 kids science but trick them into thinking it's art. Okay, 15 00:00:27,399 --> 00:00:30,519 And actually it has since become a nonprofit and we're growing. 16 00:00:30,559 --> 00:00:33,039 We've got eight people working all the way from Franklin, 17 00:00:33,079 --> 00:00:38,960 New Hampshire down to Lowell, Massachusetts, teaching kids in hands on, explosive, 18 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,039 colorful ways. 19 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: Okay, it's starting to come back to me now because 20 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,439 I think that was I think when you were on 21 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,119 that might have been one of those times that I 22 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,679 told the story of my own When I was a kid, 23 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,280 I remember how much I hated art class because I 24 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:55,719 felt like they were trying to force me to be 25 00:00:55,799 --> 00:00:58,000 artistic and I'm not visually artistic at all. 26 00:00:58,079 --> 00:01:00,479 Speaker 4: And that's Okay, yeah, I thought so. 27 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,119 Speaker 3: The art teachers did not. 28 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: It's about exploring what your creativity actually is. Yeah, and 29 00:01:08,359 --> 00:01:11,280 you know, really, be honest, teachers in schools are so 30 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:14,519 overworked and tired and they just need all our support 31 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,560 and love that they just don't get the resources that 32 00:01:17,799 --> 00:01:19,799 really help every kid in the classroom. 33 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: Right right, no doubt you've got. We should start with 34 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:25,519 you've got a big show coming up. 35 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:26,079 Speaker 5: I do. 36 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's my first solo show. It is at 37 00:01:30,239 --> 00:01:36,480 the Nashville Public Library on Thursday the fourteenth at six o'clock. Okay, 38 00:01:37,159 --> 00:01:39,239 and the show's been up for about a month and 39 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:40,879 a half, so this is like one of the last 40 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,599 chances you get to see it. We're doing like a 41 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,079 closing insteaven opening because the summer's been wild. Okay, there 42 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,040 will be cake because it's also my fortieth birthday party. 43 00:01:49,159 --> 00:01:50,959 I just decided, you've got to combine these things. We 44 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,359 don't have time to celebrate twice. 45 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:53,239 Speaker 3: Yeah. 46 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: But it's actually a big gallery. I didn't even know 47 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,519 it was there, and I got to Tourt and I 48 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:58,879 was like, I don't even know if I have enough 49 00:01:58,959 --> 00:02:02,239 work to fill this, But it turns out I do. 50 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,120 And it's been a wild ride. People have been visiting 51 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:08,520 it and sending me pictures of them visiting it, and 52 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,599 I keep going in every week to just you know, 53 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,719 finicky touch up hanging tag or yeah, adjust an art piece. 54 00:02:14,879 --> 00:02:16,479 But it feels really good. 55 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:22,199 Speaker 1: So so it's it's been up for a while. Yes, okay, yes, 56 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,360 So how does that work? Can people just go i 57 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,319 mean outside of the events. Can people just go at 58 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:29,120 any point. 59 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:31,439 Speaker 4: To any the library and see yes? 60 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 3: Okay. 61 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,879 Speaker 2: And it's pretty family friendly too, because I work with 62 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,960 kids a lot. So if you want to bring your 63 00:02:37,039 --> 00:02:39,400 kids during the summer break, right right before school starts, 64 00:02:39,439 --> 00:02:41,560 get their last bit of reading in before the you know, 65 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,840 summer ends, you can totally go check out the art pieces. 66 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,080 There are even some pieces that will appeall directly to 67 00:02:48,159 --> 00:02:50,000 kids that you can like buy stickers or prints of 68 00:02:50,039 --> 00:02:53,639 that are like animals of New Hampshire. And it's a 69 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,560 great library. It and it's down in the basement. So 70 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:57,439 when you come in the main doors and you turn 71 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,719 right and you go down the stairwell on the right, 72 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,719 or take the elevator that's on the left. Right there, 73 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,759 you go down and it's this big open space and 74 00:03:06,759 --> 00:03:08,759 I've got like really big silks that I made with 75 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,879 Able and h and then we've got some cyanotypes around 76 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,280 the other side of the wall. There's like this big 77 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,680 wall in the middle where you can put art on 78 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:20,360 both sides. So it's big art. It's big art. Turns 79 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:21,159 out I make big art. 80 00:03:22,719 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: Well, okay, so tell us about the type of art 81 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,560 that you make, because I saw this from biomedical art. 82 00:03:29,199 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. So my background is I have a degree in 83 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:34,039 biomedical art from the Cleveland Institute of Art. Hence the 84 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,319 untarted thing, teaching kids, you know, science through art. I 85 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,159 hadn't really been into my formal art practice, you know, 86 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,639 in the fine arts for a while. I really, you know, 87 00:03:46,759 --> 00:03:49,599 society tells us artists don't make money, so you don't 88 00:03:49,639 --> 00:03:52,680 pursue the fine arts, and so I was really pursuing 89 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,039 the commercial arts thing with illustration and graphic design and 90 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,879 logos and that kind of thing. And I did fine, 91 00:03:57,879 --> 00:04:01,400 and I showed that work regularly, but COVID hit and 92 00:04:01,439 --> 00:04:04,719 I developed disabilities around the same time, more than I 93 00:04:04,759 --> 00:04:08,800 originally had, and I needed a way to get it out, 94 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,479 so I just started making I had to relearn to 95 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,639 walk in Manchester during COVID. 96 00:04:14,759 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: Wow. 97 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,759 Speaker 2: So I had to walk on the sidewalks in Manchester, 98 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,600 which were not conducive to that process. So I would 99 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,759 walk for ten minutes, sit down and make a painting 100 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,680 for an hour and come back And I just did that. 101 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,199 Not well, it was part of my physical therapy. I 102 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,680 needed to do this interesting And so these pieces have 103 00:04:30,759 --> 00:04:32,720 developed into what I think is a big feature in 104 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:35,839 the show called disability frames, where inside each piece is 105 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:39,120 this cute little five by five watercolor, but around it 106 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,480 is this massive frame that's more than twice the size 107 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,879 of the piece, reflecting the challenges I had getting there, 108 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,199 whether it was a lack of a sidewalk cut or 109 00:04:49,319 --> 00:04:51,639 whether it was just pain that day I just couldn't 110 00:04:51,639 --> 00:04:55,120 get out of bed, right. They all reflect the various 111 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,399 infrastructure challenges I face. Sometimes it was just wet leaves, right, 112 00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:02,759 like what these were very scary. 113 00:05:02,439 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 4: For me, I can imagine. Yeah, wow, And. 114 00:05:05,439 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: So that's that's a big part of the show, is 115 00:05:07,399 --> 00:05:11,680 talking about my body and its development through this phase 116 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:12,199 in my life. 117 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 118 00:05:14,519 --> 00:05:16,399 Speaker 1: One of the things that comes up a lot on 119 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,040 this show is well, really a couple of things, but 120 00:05:20,079 --> 00:05:24,720 they go together. One is using uh trauma and challenge 121 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,399 and negative experiences to create art out of that. You know, 122 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,079 we interview more musicians than anybody, so we talk a 123 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:35,560 lot about, you know, creating music from that. In fact, 124 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,639 our guests coming up an hour three, Nancy Manet, Uh. 125 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,319 You know, we always talk about that with her too, 126 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,560 because a lot of what she's been through and informs 127 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,839 of the music that she makes. So we always talk 128 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:48,040 about how that's really kind of the best therapy, right, 129 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:52,120 taking something negative and creating something positive, because not only 130 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,480 are you creating art, but you're creating something that other 131 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,360 people can relate to, So it not only helps you, 132 00:05:57,399 --> 00:06:00,319 but it potentially helps other people too. And and the 133 00:06:00,319 --> 00:06:02,160 other thing that we also it seems to come up 134 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:05,759 a lot on the show is COVID and and how 135 00:06:07,959 --> 00:06:12,199 people found a lot of ways to be creative during 136 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,040 COVID that perhaps would not have happened otherwise. And again, 137 00:06:16,199 --> 00:06:18,519 you know, when we're talking to musicians, it's usually you know, 138 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,399 while I, you know, my band and I we had 139 00:06:21,439 --> 00:06:24,319 to learn how to email tracks back and forth while 140 00:06:24,319 --> 00:06:26,240 we were recording an album because we couldn't all be 141 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:26,839 in the same. 142 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 3: Room because it was very scary. 143 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,319 Speaker 4: And went on digital skills, right exactly. 144 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and it really forced the pandemic, really forced 145 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,240 a lot of musicians to open up to things that 146 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:40,759 they they hadn't considered before, even me, Like, I'm a 147 00:06:41,319 --> 00:06:45,600 certified hypnotherapist, and I found myself since the pandemic more 148 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,040 open to seeing clients online, you know, instead of feeling 149 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,439 like I had to be in the same room with 150 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,160 them to properly do a session. So but but those 151 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,759 are two of the things that we talk about a lot, 152 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:59,000 you know, taking taking negative experiences and creating, and also 153 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,519 how the pandemic force people to find new ways to 154 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,639 do that or or new sources of inspiration to do that. 155 00:07:08,199 --> 00:07:10,759 But in your case, I mean, it sounds like this 156 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:15,000 was a pretty serious example of that, right because because 157 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,680 of what COVID did to you and how you had 158 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,399 to overcome that and and create art while you're doing that. 159 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:21,439 I mean, that's incredible. 160 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, it uh, it really pointed out a lot of 161 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,800 the like challenges to getting around the city too, for me, yeah, 162 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,439 for other people that I maybe just overlooked a lot 163 00:07:31,439 --> 00:07:33,680 because I was just zooming through life, you know, and 164 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,199 I didn't see people struggling until I was in the struggle, right, 165 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,879 And so I started reaching out to different organizations that 166 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,439 supported disabilities like able and agent got to As I healed, 167 00:07:43,519 --> 00:07:45,639 I was then able to bring some of my healing 168 00:07:45,759 --> 00:07:48,759 to communities outside of myself. And that's why that's why 169 00:07:48,759 --> 00:07:51,000 the show is called Body of Work, because it's about 170 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,720 bodies and healing and then how when you're you heal 171 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,800 inside when you begin healing yourself, and I won't ever 172 00:07:57,839 --> 00:08:00,240 be fully healed, like, let's be honest, it's more or 173 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:03,279 comfort of where I'm at and then finding the next challenge. 174 00:08:04,519 --> 00:08:06,800 It's about then bringing it to others so that they 175 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:09,920 can maybe find some healing in what you've created. It's 176 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,519 about connecting with people. 177 00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:17,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, so now you have experience in the pharmaceutical industry. 178 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:18,199 Speaker 5: I do. 179 00:08:18,439 --> 00:08:21,519 Speaker 3: Actually, Okay, do you still work in the pharmaceutical industry now? 180 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: No? On Charter takes up most of my time. I 181 00:08:23,839 --> 00:08:26,560 also volunteer as a Department of Public Works commissioner so 182 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,600 that I can advocate for sidewalks and bike lanes in Manchester, 183 00:08:29,639 --> 00:08:31,839 which are very important to people getting around the city. 184 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:35,320 That's how you know, I turned my sadness and tears 185 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,840 into I'm gonna work on this problem, and then I 186 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:42,039 got out of pharmaceutical. So it's actually kind of a 187 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:44,279 weird story. But I was working on in the informed 188 00:08:44,279 --> 00:08:46,399 consent process and I didn't feel like it was true 189 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,840 or real, and I couldn't find sponsoring companies for clinical 190 00:08:49,879 --> 00:08:53,720 trials that were like interested in actually making it a 191 00:08:53,759 --> 00:08:56,440 real informed consent process. You know, they get these like 192 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,480 two inch yeah really, but it's thick pieces of paper 193 00:08:59,519 --> 00:09:02,440 written at a grade level. Most people don't understand saying, 194 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,399 you know, I'm gonna agree to participate in this clinical trial, 195 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,480 but then they don't actually understand it, right, and then 196 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,799 they get like surprised by something like a spinal tap, 197 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,519 and no one wants a surprise spinal tap, right. So 198 00:09:16,279 --> 00:09:20,080 I realized I couldn't help the adults. Ultimately, I think 199 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,200 we adults, even myself, we kind of get stuck in 200 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,000 our ways and it's harder to open up our brains 201 00:09:25,039 --> 00:09:29,360 to new ideas. So I started tutoring some people who 202 00:09:29,399 --> 00:09:31,559 are very gifted in science but wanted to improve their 203 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,159 art skills because I could, I could bridge that vocabulary channel, 204 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,600 if you will, and it worked. And so then one 205 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:41,159 of the kids I was tutoring, their mom was a 206 00:09:41,159 --> 00:09:43,159 headmaster of school and said come here, teach here. I 207 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,320 was like, yeah, sure, okay, and then within two weeks 208 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,879 I was in Claire's charter school, and within six months 209 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:50,759 I was in all the Title I schools in Manchester, 210 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,919 bringing this programming to kids so that when they hit there, 211 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,360 when they're in control of their health, they'll be able 212 00:09:58,440 --> 00:09:59,679 to talk about it, they'll be able to help their 213 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,080 family health, and they'll be able to navigate the health system. 214 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,519 That's really what it like stemmed out of of course 215 00:10:04,519 --> 00:10:07,600 we've gone wider, like we're talking about watershed management with 216 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:12,919 the Nature Conservancy who sponsored projects with us, and really 217 00:10:12,919 --> 00:10:15,120 focusing on all around science education. 218 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,919 Speaker 1: How did so, how did that grow so quickly? I mean, 219 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,960 because that's that's impressive that. 220 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 2: It's a great question, and if I knew, i'd write 221 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,720 a book about it. But I think it was just 222 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,759 clearly a passion of mine and I was in it 223 00:10:30,799 --> 00:10:33,960 one hundred percent and loved it, and I think that 224 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:35,799 came through it. And I think there's a real need 225 00:10:35,879 --> 00:10:38,720 for it too, because you know, we do seem to 226 00:10:38,759 --> 00:10:40,960 be lowering the amount of money as a city that 227 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,840 we're putting into schools, so other things need to come 228 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,200 in to make up that deficit and that's potentially or 229 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,159 it is uncharted coming in and teaching those things. And 230 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,480 the kids are hungry for it too, you know, And 231 00:10:53,519 --> 00:10:56,639 I fully support all the teachers in our schools. They 232 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,759 need so much more love and funds and everything to 233 00:10:59,799 --> 00:11:02,639 make their lives easier, because it should be easier for them. 234 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,000 But they are setting into this mold that's been created 235 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:11,480 by buyer systems, and unchartered can come outside of that 236 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,159 mold and reach the kids that aren't fitting that mold. 237 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,039 So and I think there's a lot more that don't 238 00:11:17,039 --> 00:11:20,120 fit the mold than we realize. Just like people with disabilities, right, 239 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,399 we don't fit this. Whatever the standard, and I'm using 240 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:28,000 quotations very clearly, whatever the normal is, we don't fit it. 241 00:11:28,519 --> 00:11:30,960 And you know, as I get fully more and more 242 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:36,360 immersed and embracing of my disabled identity, I'm seeing it 243 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,840 in kids too. Actually, one of the things that's developed is, 244 00:11:39,159 --> 00:11:40,960 you know, as I read IEPs for kids and the 245 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,240 things I need to be doing to make sure they're 246 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,279 learning it the best of their ability, I'm like looking 247 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,519 at and going, oh, that's a good I should do 248 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:47,399 that for myself. 249 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 3: Oh wow, So I'm. 250 00:11:49,039 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 2: Learning a lot about myself when I'm learning about other 251 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,080 people's disabilities, which is also why I try to be 252 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,440 so open about mine so that other people can find 253 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,519 it faster and with less trial and tribulation than I did. 254 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,039 But yeah, the kids have taught me a lot about myself. 255 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 3: Oh that's cool. By the way, for people who don't know, 256 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:05,960 what is an i EP. 257 00:12:06,799 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 2: An individual education plan? Okay, okay, thank you for calling 258 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:10,279 that out. 259 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no problem. It's funny. Over the years that 260 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:14,799 term has come up a lot on the show. But 261 00:12:15,039 --> 00:12:18,519 but but yeah, but people don't know. Well, you know, 262 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,519 if it's not something you've had to directly engage with, 263 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:21,000 you wouldn't know. 264 00:12:21,279 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: No, no, you wouldn't know. 265 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:24,519 Speaker 3: So now, so what. 266 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: Parents who are putting their kids into uh, because you 267 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,120 have like a summer camp? 268 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,279 Speaker 2: Do we have summer camps right now? So we ran 269 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,960 three summer camps at Positive Street Art in Nashua because 270 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,879 they are fantastic partners. 271 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 3: Oh, somebody from Positive Street Art was was on? 272 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,759 Speaker 2: Who was was it? Yeazz Manny Cecilia? 273 00:12:43,919 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 3: No, there was somebody involved, though I can't remember. It 274 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,840 was a musician. Wasn't it a musician? I can't remember. 275 00:12:51,879 --> 00:12:54,519 Speaker 2: Now there are so many good people that are part 276 00:12:54,519 --> 00:12:57,039 of that organization supporting it because it's doing so much 277 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:57,600 good work. 278 00:12:57,759 --> 00:13:01,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, what was it, Mike McDowell the Healer? 279 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 5: No, I think what. 280 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:03,279 Speaker 2: I don't remember. 281 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: You're asking the wrong that's okay, But but whoever it was, Yeah, 282 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,879 but it wasn't any of the three. Yeah, yeas was 283 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:11,159 on the show a long time ago, but it wasn't 284 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:12,279 any of the three people you mentioned. 285 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 3: But we did have somebody on talking about it. Yeah. Yeah. 286 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 2: Uh. They're doing really fantastic work through the city here 287 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,799 and like giving opportunities to you know, kids that had 288 00:13:21,799 --> 00:13:25,200 to pick different paths in life through various circumstances, and 289 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:28,559 they also work with people with disabilities in really engaging 290 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:29,759 and wholesome ways. 291 00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:30,879 Speaker 4: Yeah. 292 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a big fan. So partnering with them was 293 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,120 like a perfect Kismet opportunity. And they have a beautiful 294 00:13:36,159 --> 00:13:38,159 space yeah, that we get to work out of with 295 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,759 the gallery and the kids getting so inspired by the 296 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:41,639 artwork around them. 297 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 3: Really cowesome. 298 00:13:43,159 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: And next week we're working with the y w c 299 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,159 A for our sy Art Camp, So you'll see us 300 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,120 downtown here going around the parks collecting little specimens of 301 00:13:50,159 --> 00:13:54,240 bugs and and and and spiders and and plants and dirt, 302 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,639 and we're gonna look at under microscopes and we're gonna 303 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,639 learn to draw it and represent it in a science 304 00:13:58,679 --> 00:13:59,879 communication kind of way. 305 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 3: Oh very cool. Yeah, I remember who it was now, 306 00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:04,480 I was Justin Hunt. Is that name familiar to you. 307 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: I'm not as much on the music side, admitted. 308 00:14:07,799 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: Gotcha, Yeah, Justin's Yeah, he's he's actually not a musician, 309 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,759 but he came on with an interesting story. He does, 310 00:14:15,799 --> 00:14:18,240 he does a lot of really positive things. I should 311 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:20,120 get in touch with him, we should have him back on, but. 312 00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: Probably if he's associated with positive street art probably. 313 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I hope I'm thinking of the right person. 314 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,399 Speaker 1: So now before so what was your experience like with 315 00:14:29,639 --> 00:14:33,240 art before COVID were you were you actively? 316 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,799 Speaker 2: Oh? I never stopped making really truly, so I was. 317 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:40,799 I was working as a professional like creative director and 318 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,519 those kinds of things for different companies through through time, 319 00:14:44,639 --> 00:14:46,720 and I always like just kind of doodled. I never 320 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,639 stopped like and you can look at the years on 321 00:14:49,679 --> 00:14:51,480 the artworks in the show too and kind of see 322 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:52,919 that that was a case. Because I do I have 323 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,879 a Bachelor of Fine Arts, like it is arts, arts, arts, Yeah, 324 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,960 and but I really I don't so. I come from 325 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,360 a long line of scientists, engineers, physicists, that kind of thing, 326 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:07,080 and they were fully supportive of me going into the arts, 327 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,440 even if it did make me a little bit of 328 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:13,120 a black sheep. But I had my own internalized messages 329 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,000 that I needed to make money at this. Whatever I 330 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:17,679 was doing with the majority of my time, I needed 331 00:15:17,679 --> 00:15:20,360 to make money, and so I really focused on the 332 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,639 commercial stuff, making ads and illustrations that would bring in money, 333 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,240 a lot less self expression. I did a lot with 334 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:34,039 like adornments that I didn't really consider art, whether it 335 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,679 was sewing or creating things for my house that really, 336 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,519 when I look at those are art objects and can 337 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,440 are just as valid as anything else to be displayed 338 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,200 in a gallery. And that came out of some of 339 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,600 my relationship with yazz and through positive street art, to 340 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:54,759 recognizing that these everyday creations that we are making, whether 341 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,480 it's even just in art life choices, they are art 342 00:15:57,519 --> 00:15:59,759 and they are shaping the world around us and should 343 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,960 be considered just as strongly as a traditional painting. 344 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you've always so when you when you decided 345 00:16:08,159 --> 00:16:10,080 to do that and to pursue that degree. 346 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:11,919 Speaker 3: Did you have family members try to talk you out 347 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:12,120 of it? 348 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: No, one tried to talk me out of it. 349 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:15,679 Speaker 3: They did. 350 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: They did say, you know, art will never pay as 351 00:16:19,919 --> 00:16:23,399 much as engineering, okay, which which is funny because when 352 00:16:23,399 --> 00:16:25,600 my husband and I graduated college exactly at the same time, 353 00:16:25,639 --> 00:16:27,440 technically I was paid more than he was. And he's 354 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,799 an engineer. Oh, he quickly surpassed me. But I just 355 00:16:30,919 --> 00:16:32,200 negotiated more for my pay. 356 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 3: Okay, okay. 357 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:35,879 Speaker 2: Hence, you know, I run a small business. 358 00:16:35,879 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: Now. 359 00:16:36,039 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: I don't mind that kind of talk. But they were 360 00:16:40,559 --> 00:16:43,200 supportive in the best ways they could, and they always 361 00:16:43,279 --> 00:16:45,639 knew I was some kind of artists Like you know, 362 00:16:45,799 --> 00:16:47,879 my mom was like, even as early as first grades, 363 00:16:47,919 --> 00:16:50,519 I's thrawing better than I am. I don't, I can't. 364 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:52,799 This isn't an area I can instruct her, And so 365 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,039 they'd find me, you know, art lessons at the library 366 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,799 and things like that. I watched Bob Ross religious. 367 00:16:57,399 --> 00:16:59,919 Speaker 4: Oh nokid yeah, oh yeah. 368 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: And you know, both my parents have their artistic focus, 369 00:17:03,399 --> 00:17:05,200 Like my dad was photography growing up and now he 370 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,240 makes amazing award winning wooden kayaks. He's retired so he 371 00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:09,880 can he can do that beautiful thing, and he did 372 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,240 it before he retired. My mom is is a noted 373 00:17:12,279 --> 00:17:15,759 fibers artist that goes around and gives workshops on spinning 374 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:20,680 and weaving and knitting. I think I think primarily it's 375 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,480 the spinning she's into in the weaving, oh wow. But 376 00:17:24,759 --> 00:17:27,160 always an artist, they just they chose to pursue the 377 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,480 fun making for their right, which is working well for 378 00:17:31,519 --> 00:17:35,599 them because they're retired and comfortable now. You know, both 379 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,119 based on my generation and time graduating and choices of 380 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,240 my own career may never happen, but we'll work towards it. 381 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 4: Sure, Sure, but I don't. 382 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 2: I don't. I think even if I were to retire tomorrow, 383 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,480 if I won the lottery or whatever, I'd still do 384 00:17:49,599 --> 00:17:52,240 exactly what I'm doing right now. So maybe I am retired. 385 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. And in terms of. 386 00:17:57,319 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: In terms of the art that you create, because you 387 00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:02,440 mentioned that you didn't think or you were uncertain at 388 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,279 first when this opportunity to have your art at the 389 00:18:05,759 --> 00:18:08,000 nash Is it Nashue a public library? Is that digital 390 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:11,359 that you didn't think you had enough pieces necessarily for 391 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:12,319 I was. 392 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,599 Speaker 2: I was concerned, yeah, And I'd been focusing on these 393 00:18:15,599 --> 00:18:17,519 small pieces out of COVID, right, these things that I 394 00:18:17,559 --> 00:18:20,359 could travel with, even taking as I relearned to walk, 395 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:21,960 I had to relearn to ski, so I would take 396 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,799 them up on mountains. I'd ski a couple runs and 397 00:18:23,839 --> 00:18:25,599 sit there for an hour or two at the lodge 398 00:18:25,599 --> 00:18:27,279 and paint and then ski some more. So, like it's 399 00:18:27,279 --> 00:18:30,680 a very, very compact. But then I just started looking 400 00:18:30,759 --> 00:18:32,920 back over my like I just started pulling things out 401 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:34,920 of the woodworks, you know, like how you store everything, 402 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,359 And suddenly I've got a massive pile of stuff that 403 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,440 I can put in and you know, not limiting myself, right, 404 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,119 because I've done a lot of fashion work, okay, and 405 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,039 so there's several mannequins in the show with various pieces 406 00:18:46,079 --> 00:18:49,599 I've created for my body and other people's bodies. And 407 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,759 then that's also why it's called body work, because it 408 00:18:51,799 --> 00:18:53,720 does it's it's all has to do with the body, 409 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,440 the human body. As a biomedical artist. That makes sense 410 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,359 because I am just kind of drawn. Is like a 411 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,200 special interest. And then it's not just my body, it's 412 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,880 other people's bodies and the art that goes on their bodies. 413 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to ask you more about that too, 414 00:19:05,799 --> 00:19:07,440 because the name of the show is body of Work, 415 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,680 and I think I think I forgot to mention that earlier. 416 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,359 So yeah, can you expand on that a little bit? 417 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,640 Why it's called that, and what's your inspiration to call 418 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:14,920 it that? 419 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,839 Speaker 2: It was that that pulling of the art from different 420 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:20,839 places all over the house. I was like, Okay, this 421 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,640 is what I have. How does this all unite? Like, 422 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:23,960 if this is all going to be one show, I 423 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,200 either need to limit it like and give it log 424 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,440 to the white space, or is everything relevant? And I 425 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:33,319 began thinking about it, and I started looking at pieces 426 00:19:33,319 --> 00:19:34,759 that I was like, well, that's not relevant. But it's 427 00:19:34,759 --> 00:19:37,359 got a skull in it. Well, that's that's a body part, right. 428 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,039 This was created in relationship in response to pain in 429 00:19:42,039 --> 00:19:45,240 my body. This was related to my body moving through space. 430 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,079 This was a result of my body needing to rest. 431 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,880 This was me networking with other people and learning about 432 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,839 other people's bodies and helping their bodies engage in art. 433 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,480 And this went on my body. And this is a 434 00:19:57,519 --> 00:20:00,039 T shirt that goes on my body. And this this 435 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,039 is a dress form I made of someone else's body. 436 00:20:03,079 --> 00:20:04,599 This is a dress form made of my body. And 437 00:20:04,599 --> 00:20:08,000 I began realizing it was all about the body, and 438 00:20:08,079 --> 00:20:09,440 so it is a little bit of a pun I'm 439 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,839 not I love a good dad pun. So it's like 440 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,279 a body of work because that you can call that 441 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,279 rite and an artist like, this is my body of work. 442 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,519 But it's also very relational to a human body, my 443 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,039 human body and the body of community that is here 444 00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:25,920 in New Hampshire through groups like Abele and h and others. 445 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,480 So it really came about and I was like, oh, 446 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,480 it all, it all relates. And there are a few 447 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,480 pieces I didn't put in because they didn't relate. Even 448 00:20:35,519 --> 00:20:37,720 if they were bigger, like pieces that were more focused 449 00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:40,119 on my yard or my garden, you could make a 450 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,559 case for them to be in. But when I got 451 00:20:41,559 --> 00:20:44,920 to it, it really just I was like, this is it. 452 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:49,759 It's about disability, it's about community. It's about I don't 453 00:20:49,759 --> 00:20:51,880 want to say recovery because that implies like an end, 454 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:53,960 but it's about healing. 455 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: Yeah are you how are you doing today physically? 456 00:20:58,039 --> 00:20:58,839 Speaker 3: I mean at this. 457 00:20:58,839 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 2: Point, yeah, it's very interesting. So my nark, my idiopathic 458 00:21:02,519 --> 00:21:04,160 hypersomnia is well managed. 459 00:21:04,519 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 3: The dots have what what is that? 460 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,559 Speaker 2: It's a yeah, no, it's a form of it's like 461 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,559 narcileps and it means I sleep a lot when I'm 462 00:21:11,599 --> 00:21:13,519 not medicated, so there's a lot of meds I have 463 00:21:13,559 --> 00:21:15,119 to be on to manage that and to be able 464 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,160 to drive safely and things like that. But it means 465 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,119 I like a really very day, which is great because 466 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,960 that's what Chartered gives me, bopping between kids and writing 467 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:27,119 grants and interacting with people and that's beautiful and a 468 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,000 lot of it's focus here Manchester, so I can walk 469 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:32,200 or bike to get there, keeping everything as safe as possible, 470 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:35,400 so you know, food for thought out there. Bike lanes 471 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:40,839 are an accessibility device basically infrastructure because then I can 472 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,160 bike and it keeps everyone safe and me safe. So 473 00:21:44,279 --> 00:21:47,920 and then I've got a number of neuralgias where they 474 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,839 cause pain. My my hardest one has been pudental neuralgia, 475 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,880 but that's been well treated over the last couple of years. 476 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,559 But I seem to have developed two more, one in 477 00:21:54,599 --> 00:21:56,279 my neck and one in my lower back that I'm 478 00:21:56,319 --> 00:21:58,039 going to see a new neurologist for at the end 479 00:21:58,079 --> 00:22:02,400 of the month. But we also discovered that my digestion 480 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:04,440 I haven't been able to digest fat my whole life. 481 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,319 So now I've got great new big horse pills to 482 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,000 take for that, but it's great so I can eat out. 483 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,480 So my life is really like overall, like if the 484 00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:14,119 last time we talked, if you had asked me, like, 485 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,480 how are you doing, I would have been like, oh, I'm 486 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,519 a sick person, but I'm fighting it. Yeah, And now 487 00:22:17,559 --> 00:22:22,079 I feel like I've hit this equo lilbrium that is doable, 488 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,440 and it changes from day to day, Holly, and I 489 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,759 fully admit I took yesterday off and went to the beach, 490 00:22:27,799 --> 00:22:30,119 so that's probably contributing to my really great feeling today. 491 00:22:30,759 --> 00:22:33,839 You have to take rest days. But I couldn't go 492 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,559 in the water above my waist because of my new 493 00:22:35,599 --> 00:22:38,200 lower back thing, so I'm you know, that's sad. And 494 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,920 I can't stand up pattaboard right now because I'm not 495 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,039 allowed to twist. Really, but I'm so in order to 496 00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:48,119 stay functional, like at least appearing, I have to do 497 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,759 a lot of physical therapy. So like I work with 498 00:22:50,839 --> 00:22:54,119 a physical therapist outside the insurance companies because they don't 499 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,039 want to pay for all the visits I actually need, 500 00:22:57,079 --> 00:22:59,079 and I pay her monthly and she gives me workouts 501 00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:00,720 and I do them. So I work out like an 502 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:07,039 hour to two hours most days, and it's I love it. 503 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,079 I love that I can do that, like I'm at 504 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,000 a place in my life. But it does it means 505 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,119 I have to focus on my body like ten times 506 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,599 more than other people. But ultimately I'm in a good spot. 507 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:21,359 Thanks for asking. It's nice that I get to say 508 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:21,920 that this time. 509 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't it? And this was all, by the way, 510 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,880 So this was all the result of COVID. 511 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:28,279 Speaker 2: Oh, not a result. COVID had an effect. It did 512 00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:32,039 affect my heart. So I lost the ability to walk 513 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,559 because I ran a triathlon and it turns out tenon 514 00:23:35,559 --> 00:23:38,559 in my leg was turning the bone, which is not 515 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,599 supposed to happen, and they had to remove that. And 516 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,640 then so the amount of time that I was immobilized 517 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,119 before the surgery and then trying to relearn to walk 518 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,480 was what caused all that. And then so the narclepsy 519 00:23:49,839 --> 00:23:53,160 or the idiopathic hypersomnia I ate. Narclepsy is like the 520 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,359 coverall term. It's a form of that I got started 521 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,319 getting diagnosed in like my late twenties, but I probably 522 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,160 been suffering through it all through college, like I was 523 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,720 a regular ten hour a day sleeper in college. I 524 00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:09,920 never pulled all nighters, very regimented schedules that I could function. Yeah, 525 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,079 and I do have like a little bit of challenge 526 00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:15,119 with my heart from COVID. It just doesn't respond the 527 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,319 way it should during exercise. Okay, but my physical therapist 528 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,240 gives me exercises. It's like this, really like I've always 529 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,400 been like a battler of exercise, like give me the 530 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:24,960 bike and let me go up the hill as hard 531 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,759 as I can. Yeah, but you know, she's focused way 532 00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:30,960 more on this gentle stuff that's hopefully just going to 533 00:24:31,079 --> 00:24:33,200 try to heal the blood vessels and the heart from 534 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,720 all that. And it may be something that I have 535 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:36,759 for the rest of my life, but I'll continue fighting 536 00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:38,799 it because I want to be a healthy eighty year old. 537 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 3: Yeah of course. Yeah. Wow. 538 00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: Well I'm glad you're doing so much better though. That's excellent. Now, 539 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,759 do you have more art shows planned after this one? 540 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 2: I'm gonna look at talking. I haven't done this yet, 541 00:24:50,759 --> 00:24:53,880 so I'll reach out. But the Manchester Arts Commission usually 542 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,759 allows artwork to be displayed at City Hall, and so 543 00:24:56,839 --> 00:24:59,079 for the show in Nashville, I had to purchase insurance 544 00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:01,599 for my art work. So I figure, while I have 545 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,960 the insurance, i'll do it there as well. These places, 546 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,799 city places don't have the insurance like a gallery does, okay, 547 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,599 so and I want to protect my work, so I 548 00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:10,240 think I'll try to reach out and try to do 549 00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:13,759 a show at City Hall. Okay, but I don't have 550 00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:16,519 any shows after that plan. But if you're looking for 551 00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:19,160 more shows, I always recommend checking out Positive Street Art 552 00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:23,200 and Mosaic Art Collective because they're always doing fantastic things. 553 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,759 I just yeah, I love everything they're doing. 554 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:27,319 Speaker 3: Yeah. 555 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jenny's had her art at Mosaic and also at 556 00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:32,839 Terminus Underground in Nashua. 557 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 2: Fantastic. 558 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, absolutely absolutely. I didn't know insurance. I didn't 559 00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:39,559 know that was a thing for I guess it makes sense. 560 00:25:39,599 --> 00:25:43,079 Speaker 2: So when all of your life's artwork is all at 561 00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:45,599 one room that so many people have access to, I'm 562 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:46,839 not leaving it on insurance. 563 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 3: Yeah no, that makes sense. 564 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 2: Like it's it's like I would I will part with 565 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:54,759 just about all of it for a certain price. 566 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 3: But right right, yeah, But. 567 00:25:56,839 --> 00:26:00,079 Speaker 2: At the same time, it's it is my creation and 568 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,119 I don't have children, so I guess that's it. 569 00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 3: Oh, there you go. There you go, very good. 570 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,759 Speaker 1: So now where should people go online to I assume 571 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:10,200 I mean, obviously you want people to go to the 572 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,920 show on the fourteenth, please do. But also I mean, 573 00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:16,039 is there art online? I assume I assume it is. 574 00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, my my website, bioside Creative, so b io s 575 00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:24,279 ci creative dot com has has all the artwork there 576 00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:25,839 and you can even purchase any of it that you want, 577 00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:27,880 including the stickers or prints or the whole on art 578 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,079 if you're that kind of wealthy. 579 00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not. 580 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 2: I'm not wealthy enough to purchase my own art. That's okay. 581 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,279 It took so much time for those expensive pieces. But 582 00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:38,240 and then you can also follow me on Instagram and 583 00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:41,920 that's the same bioside Creative. And the library has on 584 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,880 their events page the details of the event posted and 585 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,880 and do come and let me know you're coming because 586 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,319 we're getting cake. So I trying to cake for everyone. 587 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 3: Nice. 588 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: By the way, is there anyone else you've met or 589 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,119 connected with who uses that term biomedical art? 590 00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 2: So, so, medical illustration is the old school word for it. 591 00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:06,400 And the degree program I was in at the Cleveland 592 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,200 Institute of Art decided to expand it because that was 593 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,160 a little old school, and biomedical artists do a lot 594 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,599 more like I ended up through concentrating on different things 595 00:27:16,599 --> 00:27:19,559 with like a minor in technology integrated media, so like 596 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:26,079 video editing, robotics and programming, web development, that kind of 597 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:28,440 thing I ended up with, and that's still biomedical art 598 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,599 and still used. Like, oh, it's very relevant. Of course, 599 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:36,240 three D modeling and animation is huge in that field 600 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,839 because it's used a lot in that degree. Program changed 601 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,000 their name to be a little more modern, but you 602 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,240 can think, you know, time goes back to like Leonardo 603 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:49,319 da Visions, Albrich, Duerr Gray of course of Grey's Anatomy, 604 00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:53,920 not the television show Netter. These are all famous people. 605 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,519 But if you open up any science book that you 606 00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:59,079 get in you know, elementary school, high school, college, and 607 00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:00,000 there's drawings in it. 608 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 4: Someone had to do those, Okay, So. 609 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,519 Speaker 2: That's like the old school, low paid aspect of the job. 610 00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:09,160 But eventually if you start working with startups and education materials. 611 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,480 My favorite is taking like ideas from a physician and 612 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,680 putting it in a way that everyone else can understand. 613 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,759 It really is like a science communication field where through 614 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:19,759 my drawings and maybe even my writings. Now at this point, 615 00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:22,319 because I've gotten better at writing, I can communicate this 616 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,720 idea from the idea originator, you know, a doctor with 617 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,000 a new procedure to other people either in their field 618 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,440 that need to learn it or to a patient who 619 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:30,799 needs to understand what's going on. 620 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Now that's interesting to me because I didn't know, 621 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:35,559 you know, that term biomedical art. I didn't know if 622 00:28:35,559 --> 00:28:37,400 that was something that a term that you had come 623 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,359 up with specifically for what you do, or if this 624 00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:40,480 was a broader thing. 625 00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 3: But apparently it is. 626 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 2: Si art is the other one. Yeah, okay, it's a hashtag. 627 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,680 I think there's a thing on Sundays or something. 628 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:51,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh okay, okay. And by the way, do you 629 00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:54,920 hear from people who've if people reached out to you, 630 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,079 either who who've gone and seen in person in Nashua 631 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,599 or maybe just look online and have said you know this, 632 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,240 you know I can relate to this. 633 00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people have said it. And even 634 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,680 one comment was, you know, just getting to know you 635 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,920 better because there is you know, writing in those some 636 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,559 of those pieces that talks about medical stuff that may 637 00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:15,880 not come up in everyday conversation. I'm fully willing to 638 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,519 talk about it, but I don't want to, you know, 639 00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:20,799 down everyone on the medical stuff all the time. So 640 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,440 but it's there if they want to read it. And 641 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,160 people reach out and said, you know, it's really great 642 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,079 to know these things about you. And then you know 643 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,920 others have reached out and been like, you know, you're 644 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,839 talking about this gravel to have a gravel piece that 645 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,759 talks about how hard it was to get to a 646 00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:34,839 restaurant because I said their space was accessible, but the 647 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,599 it was gravel and I was in a wheelchair, so 648 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,160 I couldn't get there, so I had to be transported 649 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,839 by another individual. And she came up to me and 650 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,799 was like, this is like so exactly what I'm experiencing, 651 00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:50,720 like going to the beach, trying to walk on the beach, 652 00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:53,480 and I remember that too. I had friends that helped 653 00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:56,440 me get to the water because it's so rejuvenating for me, 654 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,559 and and you don't know until you've experienced just how 655 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:03,880 hard that is. 656 00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:09,599 Speaker 5: The aspect of your own independence and freedom is huge. 657 00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:14,119 I have problems with my vision, amongst other things. As 658 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,039 you know, I get transportation assistants sometimes through volunteers, through 659 00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:22,799 new futures in sight and to be able to make 660 00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:26,039 an arrangement to go to my appointment or to have 661 00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:28,880 a test on and not have to ask a friend 662 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,160 or look for a favor. But it's an actual volunteer 663 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,960 who wants to do this, and I get to make 664 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,160 the arrangement on my own, And that titch of independence 665 00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:42,400 is so huge, and it's given me back a little 666 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,240 bit of dignity that I didn't have prior to having 667 00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:50,279 access to transportation assistance. And you may not think about that, 668 00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:53,640 but if you're somebody that maybe has a little time 669 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,400 during the day, if you help somebody get to a 670 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,039 doctor's appointment or get to a place to pick up 671 00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:03,519 their prescription, yeah, that is so huge for that individual 672 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,440 to feel strong in self and not feel like a 673 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,960 burden or a problem or the constant oh God, don't 674 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,319 answer the phone, that can't ask me to ry. That 675 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,759 is like the worst thing in the world is losing 676 00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:19,559 your ability to transport yourself. 677 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: Yes, And I can relate so much because before this 678 00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:26,920 current med that I'm on for my sleep challenges, I 679 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,000 needed if I was an evening event, I always needed 680 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,039 to go with a friend because I was driving home. 681 00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:32,920 It just I wasn't willing to risk it. I've never 682 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,880 had an accent because of it. But I'm not willing 683 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,839 to hurt someone else because of my own hurts. And 684 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,920 now with this met I'm a lot more comfortable, you know, 685 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,000 being able to like and so much and small business 686 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,799 happens at these evenings of events, you know, just networking 687 00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:49,880 and connecting, and it was really hampering my growth. And 688 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,079 now that I can do this, we've exploded in our 689 00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:53,599 connections with other nonprofits. 690 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 5: And especially when you have have a disability or something 691 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,200 that's going on, the end of the day is like the. 692 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 2: Because you don't know what you got, Oh, you don't 693 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:02,839 know what you got left. 694 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 5: You know, you've tried to space out your time and 695 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,279 like I'm only gonna use one spoon, I'm saving some 696 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,839 for later, and then you get to that end of 697 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,160 the day and it's so hard and you have to 698 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,559 push through, and it's I love everything that you are doing. 699 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,920 What you're doing for people like myself, disabled people and 700 00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:25,720 people who want to be expressive, people who want to 701 00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:29,400 experience life on their own terms. You give them that 702 00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:31,599 and that is such a huge thing. 703 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,119 Speaker 2: Thank you. 704 00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 5: You don't really it's so you know, it's one of 705 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,960 those things that it really stinks, but I can't explain 706 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,160 to you what it feels like unless you've lived it, 707 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,839 and I hope to. Like heck, you never live ever. 708 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,319 You don't want anybody else in your shoes. But if 709 00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:51,599 that little bit of monoicum of understanding comes out of anything, 710 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,240 it is such a big deal for everybody in our 711 00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:57,680 community and right, and isn't that like most It's one 712 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,119 thing I love about New Hampshire and the City of 713 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,160 Manchester is there's a lot of community here. There's a 714 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,319 lot of people that you put these few people in 715 00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:08,799 a room together and it's amazing what can explode for kiddos, 716 00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:12,079 for people to disabil it just for average anybody, you know, 717 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,559 just to have somebody that in the community that smiles 718 00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:17,440 and says, hey, you exist and I really care about you. 719 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,480 It's something that I think is kind of unique around here. 720 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,559 Speaker 2: We're still small enough that those individual meetings, groups of 721 00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:26,759 people can get together and make a difference. And I'm 722 00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:28,880 seeing it now on Pine Street right they're repaving it 723 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,759 and they're redoing the curb cuts. I don't know if 724 00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:34,000 you've noticed, but those curb cuts, the tactile stripping has 725 00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:36,720 been falling apart because they chose to try plastic product 726 00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:39,000 and it didn't work. So they're redoing all those curb 727 00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:41,039 cuts and they're going to put that bike lane on 728 00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:43,960 Pine Street, which is fantastic. That will make me getting 729 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,640 around because I live just off of Pine Street so 730 00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:48,960 much easier. Yeah, so's there's other things like if driving 731 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,400 isn't your thing, if you're like antisocial, like I get 732 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,880 it I sometimes, then if getting to know someone new 733 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,799 is hard, you know, using that click fix on Manchester 734 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,200 to point out like a curb cut that has broken 735 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,039 so someone using a stroller or a wheelchair can't get 736 00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:04,240 up or down, it can be a huge things that 737 00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:06,319 the city knows where those things are to repair them, 738 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,440 or that the tactile strips for people of vision challenges, 739 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,639 you know, if they're disappearing, then they may cross it 740 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,679 the wrong spot and get hurt and we don't want that, 741 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,880 so noting where sidewalks are because sidewalks are a big 742 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,960 part of independence for people who are mobile but have 743 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,119 other disabilities for getting around the. 744 00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 5: City, especially with folks who are in wheelchairs, because you 745 00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:30,000 cannot bounce a wheelchair up a curve. It hurts and 746 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:32,679 you cannot And that's a huge one. If I ask 747 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,239 of anybody of anything in this city. My biggest pet 748 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,360 peeve is people who park in handicapped spaces are on 749 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,360 the lines. Oh but I'm just getting I'm just getting 750 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,280 my dinner. Yeah, but the person in the wheelchair can't 751 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,800 get out of their car now because you're parked on 752 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,559 the lines. And maybe that person was going to go 753 00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:52,199 to an event downtown right like the Racks or whatever, 754 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,519 and now they can't get out of their car to 755 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,960 go because you've parked your car on the lines just 756 00:34:58,039 --> 00:34:59,239 because you need a minute. 757 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,159 Speaker 3: Don't do it. Yeah, I'll please stop doing See that 758 00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:03,360 a lot on Elm Street. 759 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,519 Speaker 2: Or parking on the sidewalks. Our sidewalks aren't designed for 760 00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:07,400 the weight of your vehicle and it destroys them. And 761 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,960 we don't have the budgets to keep repairing sidewalks caused 762 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,679 by vehicular unplanned travel. 763 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:12,159 Speaker 3: Right. 764 00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 2: No, there were a number of businesses around Manchester that 765 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,599 while I was using an accessibility placard and unable to 766 00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:22,079 walk that I would you know, I see it, I 767 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:24,559 see it the people parking in the spots without tags, 768 00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:26,760 and I would I would go to do my grocery shoping. 769 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,199 Now I couldn't unload the car, but I could get 770 00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:29,639 the groceries, and if I timed it just right, my 771 00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:31,679 husband could bring them in right and then and so 772 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,679 I would still contributing to the family, which I wanted 773 00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:36,360 to do, right and I would go, I'd get I 774 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,679 and I couldn't find a parking spot because they were 775 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,119 full of people without hangtags. And I went into some 776 00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:43,320 of these places and said, you know that this is happening, 777 00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:46,039 and they're like, oh, that's not a priority for us, 778 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,840 right right, like talk about sending me home crying that way, Like, okay, 779 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,119 so the grocery can't get done, money, Sorry. 780 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't get milk, caniket eggs, can't get bread. 781 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,239 It's that serious, right, It's that significant to be able 782 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,719 to have food in your home. You have to be 783 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,719 able to get out of the car and back into 784 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,079 it safely with everything you need. So those spots are 785 00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:09,400 really a big deal. It's not a convenience thing or 786 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,119 I'm just running in. This is about somebody being able 787 00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:13,960 to live their life to the fullest in our city 788 00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:16,639 and enjoy everything our city has to offer and get 789 00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:17,599 the basics stuff. 790 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, most important, and I'll mention it, you know, the 791 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,760 door dash drivers and things. Parking, Yes, spots downtown. I 792 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,159 hate that in the restaurants, especially on Elm Street. Oh 793 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,199 my goodness, stop doing it. 794 00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 5: Absolutely, don't be so lazy, all right. 795 00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:35,559 Speaker 2: And you can always call parking. Manchester Parking Apparently they 796 00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:38,039 say they like those tickets because they're more expensive tickets. 797 00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:40,039 Speaker 5: Yeah, they keep raising it, but people still doing it. 798 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:42,159 I think somewhere around five hundred I think. 799 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,199 Speaker 2: I yeah, but you can call parking. You know that 800 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,559 that helps a person out too. 801 00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:49,320 Speaker 5: I did once have that happen on Elm Street, and 802 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,960 it was a glorious day because there's never usually somebody 803 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,920 around when you yeah, and somebody literally pulled in in 804 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,199 front of me and I'm telling this person get out. Yeah, 805 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,320 you're stopping somebody from like this is a big deal. 806 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,760 You can't block the way to get onto the curve. No, 807 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,400 Like the curb cutouts you're talking about are essential for 808 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,119 people to be able to actually get onto the sidewalk 809 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,199 right or they are stuck in the street. 810 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 2: And you don't want to be stuck in the street 811 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,119 when you're seated below eye level. 812 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,199 Speaker 5: No or if you're using a navigational cane. Oh yeah, 813 00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:22,880 I have deat procession issues. In certain situations, I need 814 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,199 to I don't want to be in the street. That's 815 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,960 like the worst place in the world to me, because 816 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,880 they're more likely to be pitfalls, you know, to fall 817 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,480 into and then you get a new injury and a 818 00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:33,840 new issue, a new problem. 819 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,079 Speaker 2: That's definitely happened to me too. Yes, And it's not 820 00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:39,719 just people with disabilities that benefit from these things too, 821 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,920 like moms and dads with strollers, that's a big thing. 822 00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,599 Little dogs that have trouble jumping up the curve, those 823 00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:48,320 little dogs are benefiting too. Like you know, I say 824 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,760 this jokingly, but there's a lot of benefit to those 825 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,679 infrastructure plans that we have, and we we need to 826 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,039 respect them so that the whole world is a better place. 827 00:37:57,119 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 5: And if you want people to be involved in the 828 00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:02,760 world around you, to make it accessible. Dred percent, I 829 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,039 love how you use your artwork. I really love how 830 00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:10,320 you use your artwork to express the importance of these things, 831 00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:13,599 but in the most creative ways. And it's interesting to 832 00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:16,880 hear you talk about the anatomy and the art of 833 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,000 the anatomy, right because I never thought about that would 834 00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:21,239 go to school, Like I never thought about my anatomy book. 835 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:22,199 Speaker 3: Who threw this stuff? 836 00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:24,679 Speaker 2: Someone somebody did through this stuff. 837 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 5: But I have a friend, Megan Bent, who's an artist 838 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,440 that does chlorophyll work on leaves where you where she's 839 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,519 imprinting imagery onto the leaf and she's done things like 840 00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:39,239 with spines and things like that. 841 00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:41,159 Speaker 3: I think you totally like love. 842 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 2: God to check that out. I don't know anything about her. 843 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,679 Speaker 5: When you were talking that's I was thinking about that, 844 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,239 and like, you have to know this person. 845 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 4: You have to meet this artist. 846 00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 5: She's an amazing artist, amazing activist, very much in the 847 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,920 fight to make sure people have health care accessibility. So 848 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,599 you know, you and I could probably talk about that 849 00:38:56,639 --> 00:38:57,519 forever in a day. 850 00:38:57,639 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 2: Forever, it would never end. We'd write a book. 851 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: Probably, Well, we got to the time does go quickly. 852 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,239 We need to start to wrap up, but before we do, 853 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,480 I want to make sure, so again, remind everybody about 854 00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:12,320 the fourteenth and Nashua. 855 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,119 Speaker 2: Six o'clock Nashua Public Library downstairs. You can get there 856 00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:19,079 with an elevator or the stairs. And I'm gonna have 857 00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,599 cake because we've decided to turn it into my fortieth 858 00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:22,920 birthday celebration. 859 00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:24,280 Speaker 4: As well, Happy birthday, thank you. 860 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fortieth and glorious and yeah, just you know, 861 00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:30,760 if you can send me a quick message let me 862 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:31,800 know you're coming so I can make sure I have 863 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,800 enough cake. That's awesome. If you don't, you know, just 864 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,920 come anyways, we'll figure it out. We'll cut half slices. 865 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,000 I don't care. Yeah, but it's gonna be a showing 866 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,719 on my work. Actually, i' gonna have Jasmine Man there 867 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,559 playing a little bit of music. I want to her 868 00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:46,159 on the show. Yes, and I love her. And I'm 869 00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:49,400 gonna have mocktails as well, so like see, Yeah, it's 870 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,679 gonna be great. And it's at the public library, so 871 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,639 anyone can come in and check it out. It's gonna 872 00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:55,599 be a party. I really hope everyone comes out and 873 00:39:55,679 --> 00:39:57,880 just kind of flourishes a little bit together. 874 00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: Outstanding, outstanding, and tell people again where they should go 875 00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:02,000 online to. 876 00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 2: Bioso Yeah yeah, Bioside Creative dot com. So it's b 877 00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:08,480 io s C. I A lot of people like p 878 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,559 s I No, no, no, it's sc I like science 879 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,639 Bioside Creative dot com. And then on Instagram to do 880 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,639 follow me on Instagram, I post like sneak shots of 881 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,360 the show. Once the show comes down, I'll post full shots, 882 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,840 but right now it's just sneak shots because I want 883 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,960 you to go if you can, yeah, but not everyone can. 884 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,800 I get that, so you will get shots later on. 885 00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 3: Okay. 886 00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 2: It's an accessibility thing, sure, and then you know, you 887 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,840 can always look at unchartered as well if you were 888 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,679 more interested in the kiddo stuff I get to do. 889 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 5: Okay, And the event at the National Public Library is 890 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:39,159 at six pm. 891 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,159 Speaker 2: Six pm, that's right, excellent until seven thirty. 892 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 1: All right, well, very good, very good. Well Amber, Nicole Cannon, 893 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:46,639 thank you so much. 894 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. This is fun. 895 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, we'll do it again in the future. Absolutely,