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Now let's dive in to today's episode. I like to

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welcome to the show, Peter Canova.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, Peter, Good to see Alex.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you too, my friend. Thank you so

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much for coming on the show. We're gonna have an

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exciting talk today about one of my favorite subjects, which

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is multiverse theory, ancient civilizations, ancient history, spirituality, all of

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it kind of connecting together. So my first question to

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you is, how does the multiverse theory align with the

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ancient spiritual views of reality?

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Speaker 2: AI aligns really well. In fact, I'd go so far

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as to say that ancient spiritual traditions, particularly the Gnostic

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spiritual traditions that I concentrate in, really read like a

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textbook for quantum physics and the creation of parallel universes.

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If you read the Gnostic texts, it describes a process

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whereby different levels of consciousness are projected outward. In these

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levels of consciousness essentially are dimensions. There's separate dimensions of

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existence vibrating at different frequencies. So this was described pretty

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thoroughly in the Gnostic texts, and it really really fits

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very well.

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Speaker 1: So can you kind of dig in a little deeper

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into this, into what the Gnostic texts are talking about reality?

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Because I know that about the Gnostic text but I'm

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not very well versed in it. So can you explain

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it to the audience a little bit?

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Speaker 2: Sure? Well, first of all, maybe I should just explain

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who the Gnostics were, just to put everybody in the

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same picture. Gnostics were a both a pagan and a

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Judeo Christian mystical group. They predated Christianity, but when Jesus

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started his mission in Palestine, they became amongst the first

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Christians because they saw that he was teaching essentially a

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Gnostic message. And the Gnostic creation story really is about

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the fall of consciousness or spirit energy from a state

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of oneness into a state of multiplicity. And that multiplicity

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is really equal to the multiverse that we're talking about,

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because essentially what they said was that the one consciousness

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projected itself out into other points of consciousness, which you

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can call spiritual beings. You know, somewhat analogous to the

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Christian idea angels or archangels or whatever you know, separate,

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separate centers of intelligence in effect, and that each of

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these vibrated at a particular level and formed different sphere

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or dimension of existence. So essentially, what they were describing

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in non technical terms was the whole idea of a multiverse,

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of a layer of parallel universes that led really right

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on down to the physical dimension in which we believe

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to be our reality.

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Speaker 1: So when you're saying parallel realities, are these this, We're

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going to go down some rabbit hole. Here's Peter. So

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from what I understand that, I've spoken to some spiritual

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masters that say that every thought or every major decision,

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let's say, not every thought, not like you know, a

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cup of coffee or not cup of coffee, any major

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decision splits you off into another. There's another version of

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you going off to see how that finishes off, Like

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did I take that job in New York? Or did

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I not take that job in New York? Did I

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date Susie? Did I date Susie? That kind of thing,

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and those kind of parallel realities are going off. Is

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this what they're talking about? Or is it more there

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are just a set level of like the there's ten,

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for lack of a better number, there's ten parallel realities

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to our current reality.

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 1: Which one is it? Do you think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, the first thing that you mentioned is really

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called the many world's theory, and that is a theory

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in quantum physics as well. And the Gnostics describe more

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of the latter one, you know, a not necessarily, I

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don't know if I describe it as fixed, I would

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say that it is more like that. But there's many,

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many of these parallel dimensions of you know, of existence.

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you mentioned the number ten or eleven. They did mention that,

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which coincidentally is what quantum string theory says that there

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are ten or eleven major dimensions of existence. So, you know,

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neither quantum physics nor any of the ancient spiritual texts

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you know, what the numbers are. I think I think

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what they really concentrate on is the fact that what

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they're trying to say is, look, the reality that we

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perceive is not the only reality in fact, it may

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be the bottom rung of the ladder that there are

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many unseen dimensions of consciousness and intelligent energy that exist

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prior to us. And I think that's the major point

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that they're trying to convey, rather than you know, try

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and say, well this five thousand of these, or there's

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two thousand of these, you know, and so forth.

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Speaker 1: So then would the concept of the ascended masters, which

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are like the Jesus, the Buddhas, the Joganandos of the

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world that walked once on Earth and ascended to a

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higher state of consciousness while on this, this, this and

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this reality. From spiritual texts like the Vedic texts and

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things like that, it's said that they are they rise

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beyond multiple layers, and they're still learning at other layers.

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So in other words, they might be God like here,

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but they are still going like on level six they're

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just starting, or a level set of reality dimension seven,

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they're just starting. Is that something that you've had any

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interaction with in your research?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, I've run across that. That's

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not really what the gnostic techs say, but I am

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familiar with with that. You have to remember also, just

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as there are you know, various views in quantum physics,

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there's quite a variation, and you know, terms of spiritual traditions, Okay,

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generally speaking, they all point toward the same thing, but

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how you get from you know, A to Z is

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quite different in each of the spiritual traditions. So, yes,

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I am familiar with what you with what you just described.

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I think that there is no question that what it

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all boils down to is this. We started from one

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source consciousness. There that source consciousness fell in a series

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of limitations. And what do I mean by limitations? What

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I mean is delusions of consciousness. So, for instance, you

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have to have limited or dilution of consciousness in order

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to experience individual existence. Why well, simply because if you

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weren't differentiated from the source consciousness, you'd be the source consciousness,

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you'd be reabsorbed under the source consciousness, you'd be part

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of the everything. So that somehow the everything has to

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fool itself into thinking it's something. And the way it

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does that is by projecting limited portions of its consciousness

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out to create these different spiritual centers, to create these

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different parallel dimensions. So what it really is all about

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is limitation now taking that into consideration, by the time

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you get down to where we are, which I think

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is pretty low in the total poll, By the time

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you get down to where we are, you're talking about

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a lot of limitation of consciousness. So you know clearly

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what these masters are doing, or what anybody who's seeking

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enlightenment is doing, is increasing their rate of frequency, increasing

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their rate of consciousness in order to work their way

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back up the life are, you know, essentially acquire more awares,

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acquire more consciousness and therefore raise themselves or you described

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to begin that process of reascending.

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Speaker 1: So would the stories of the yogis, let's say, the

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ancient yogis that we're able to do let's say, quote

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unquote magical things like levitation or biolocation or things like that,

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even within the last one hundred two hundred years. Their

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yogis that walk the earth, even currently we're working on

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the earth through our quote unquote enlightened beings. Is that

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what they were doing in a sense of like raising

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their vibration to the point where, for lack of a

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better word, they're neo and they're starting to see the

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code of the matrix, and they're learning how to manipulate

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it in ways that we just can't comprehend, so it

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looks magical to us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a pretty accurate description. I mean,

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when you have these these type of phenomena, non ordinary phenomenon,

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I mean, to the extent that they're being expressed by

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these individuals, it means that they're they penetry beyond the

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illusion of the fact that we're material, because we're not material.

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What we are. What we are is a mixture of

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we are energy that has convinced itself that it is

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solid three D matter. Okay, and that's not just a

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spiritual statement, that's a quantum fact. I mean, we all know.

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I think all your listeners probably know enough to understand

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that what we view as solid three D objects, including

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our bodies, are actually not solid at all. They're composed

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of subatomic particles with vast quantities of space between them,

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and that are composed of light, energy and quantum. Physicists

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know at the very basis of reality there is no

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such thing as matter. All there is is a wave

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of quantum potential, a wave of energy. So energy is

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primary and matter descends from energy. Matter essentially is coagulated energy.

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Speaker 2: So consequently, you look at something as simple as Einstein's

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equals and e equals mc square, the famous equation. What

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that equation is telling you that matter comes from energy.

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Energy and matter are interchangeable, and that's the basis of

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the atomic bomb. The atomic bomb is releasing that captive

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energy and matter and unleashing that tremendous amount of energy

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back into an atomic phenomenon. So yeah, I mean the

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gurus or the Yogi's or whatever you talked about that

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experience these that are able to manifest these phenomena. Yeah,

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they would have achieved a level of awareness that essentially

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has transcended them above the illusion of the fact that

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we are physical beings and they're able to manipulate energies

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to that level because the concept of we're all energy,

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and you know, there a top level where there is

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mass amounts of space. But I love when you said

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that it's energy that has slowed down and coagulated to

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believe that it's solid that actually makes a tremendous amount

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of sense to me, because the higher the vibration, I guess,

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the less coagulated it is in many ways, which then

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goes along with what these these ancient stories of Yogi's

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or even Jesus's miracles in the Bible, and what he

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was doing. He was doing very Yogic things back then,

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these miracles because he was probably again he was the

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Neo and was seeing beyond behind the code, if it will.

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Speaker 2: Well, one of the most astonishing things that I chronic

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or I talk about in my new book Quantum Spirituality,

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is that, you know, I demonstrate very graphically how the

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Gnostic Text predicted almost every major there quantum physics. And

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one of the most striking things that they predict is

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what's called the God particle. Now you may have heard

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of the God particle. It was in I think one

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of Dan Brown's movies. And twenty twelve they finally found

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the little bugger that they've been looking for for fifty years,

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called the Higgs boson. That's called the God particle. And essentially,

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what the Higgs boson does is that when matter enters

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into our universe, and incidentally, scientists don't know what I

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mean I should say when energy enters into our universe,

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scientists do not know what energy is. Okay, No, if

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you ask a scientist what is energy, they're either lying

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have no idea. They can manipulate it. They know how

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to manipulate it for certain purposes under limited circumstances, but

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they don't know where it comes from, and they really

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don't know what it is. Energy comes into our universe

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at a high rate of frequency. And what happens is

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that our universe is surrounded by a blanket and effect

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called the Higgs field, and the Higgs field contains these

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the Higgs bosons attach themselves to these high streams of

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energy and they begin to slow them down. So think

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of like, for instance, you take a gun and you

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start shooting it into a swimming pool. Okay, the water

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from the swimming pool slows the velocity of the bullet

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as opposed to the bullet traveling through just plain air.

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where they start to take on mass, they start to

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take on the characteristics of mass or matter. This is

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now pretty much scientific fact. So the Gnostics describe this

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exact process as of their One of these high Gnostic beings,

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basically an aspect of God or an aspect of the Source,

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falls into a dimension called chaos, which is really chaos

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unformed potential. It's potential, you know, in the it's in potentiality.

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it's an object in potential. So this figure falls into chaos,

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and it's a high energy figure, and it's surrounded by

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what the text called proto matter, which is astonishing because

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that's like another word for virtual particles. So these virtual

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particles and potential swarmed around this high energy being and

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lowered her frequency. She starts crying out to Heaven, I'm

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becoming mass, I'm becoming matter. I'm becoming is led save me,

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how this interaction with that high energy stream slowed down

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by these virtual particles, leads to the formation of matter.

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It's like astonishing. It's an exact description of the God particle.

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Speaker 1: So if we're all in agreement that we're all energy

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and really we should be able to just walk through

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walls or walk through anything, because there's really no matter

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quote unquote on a subatonic level. What is the organizing

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factor that makes Peter Peter and Alex Alex? What is

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the intelligence that is holding all of these protons and

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neutrons and electrons together to form this this these beings

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that are Peter and Alex.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, there's there's a short answer and there's a

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long answer to that. The short answer is that we

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are part of this stream of consciousness that descended from

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this one source. So if you take a look at

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the typical Judeo Christian version of creation, essentially it pictures

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human beings as these separate creations that were made out

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of the dust of the earth, and you know, we're

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kind of like these little wind up dolls that were

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placed down here, and oh, by the way, we sinned

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against God and pissed him off, and now we're forever

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trying to get back in as good graces, you know,

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kind of like here. So here's the difference. Pinocchio was

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a creation of Geepeto. Geppetto was the maker, Okioa was

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the thing that was made. That's the Judeo Christian version.

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goes back to the Hindus also, that's not the way

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it was. We are actually emanations. That word emanation means

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a projection of an essence. It is of the same

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essence projected outward. Okay, so we are part of this

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conscious energy stream that was projected from the source itself.

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Now we get back into why do you perceive yourself

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as you or me? And why we perceive a world

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around us. It's because of this limitation I spoke about.

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we are vastly limited parts of that source consciousness. So

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we don't perceive ourselves. We've forgotten ourselves as part of

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that source in effect, and we think of ourselves as

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these separate creations. And another analogy. You know, this always

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gets into very dense stuff, So I always try and

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give people an analogy to help them understand. Think of

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a pure stream up in the mountains, a pure lake

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up in the mountains. You know, it's absolutely pristine, but

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it flows down the side of the mountain like a waterfall. Okay. Now,

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as it flows down the mountain, it starts to pick

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up dirt and contaminants and it gets down the bottom

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and it gets really muddy. But it's all part of

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the same stream. Okay. So the source itself is unlimited,

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but the stream itself picks up all kinds of pollutants

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and bad ideas and limitations and manifest is something that

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looks something different down at the bottom of the Mountain's

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that's what we are where the stuff at.

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Speaker 1: The bottom doesn't stuff very appetizing.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, we're bottom feeder. It's what can I tell you?

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Speaker 1: So we talked a little bit about the many world's theory.

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Can you describe or does the many worlds theory reflect

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ancient ideas of alternate realities?

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Speaker 2: You know, the many the many worlds theory? Again, you

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know you did accurately describe it in the sense that

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you know, for everything we do, every decision we make

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on alternate reality is created. Really, I have not run

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into any ancient spiritual traditions that describe that at all.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know.

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Speaker 2: That that's more. That's really more of a one of

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several competing theories and quantum you know, and quantum physics

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along with string theory and other other kinds of theories

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of multiverse and parallel universes. But I mean strictly speaking, no,

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I mean in terms of ancient spiritual tecks. I've really

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not run into anything that is described like that.

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Speaker 1: So so in the world that we live in, in

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this dimension that we live in currently, we have to

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deal with time and space, where quantum physics is starting

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to throw that a little bit. With quantum entanglement, time

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and space is starting to not be real anymore. So

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my question to you is, after speaking to so many

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people who've had I've had a lot of near death

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experiences on I've had quantum physicists on talking about the

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concept of reincarnation as a soul, and we're going a

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little bit more spiritual here, but it kind of goes

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I'll go back to the it'll get back to quantum

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physics in a second. The idea that there is no

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past life and there is no future life, that all

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lives are happening at the exact same time because there

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is no time or space on the other side, Is

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there anything in quantum physics that kind of can make

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sense of all of that at the exact same time,

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or have you heard of anything in your research. Absolutely,

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we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think you're right. I mean, at

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the most fundamental level of reality, there is no such

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thing as space or time is There only is is,

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There's only consciousness, undifferentiated consciousness. The concept of space and

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time is again a function of the limitation. This is

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why I keep mentioning the word limitation, because it's apparent

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what we what we view as reality is an apparent reality.

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It's what it seems like reality to us. Okay, now

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you mentioned the matrix, you mentioned neo, so strong indications

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are that essentially we're living in a holographic projection. Okay.

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And the the thing about a hologram is you can

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slice and dice a hologram up into any kind of

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parts you want, but each little piece of that hologram

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contains the image of the hole. So, going back to

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quantum maintangment, how do you explain quantum maintaglement? What that

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is is like particles that are the essentially like hundreds

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of thousands or millions of light years apart can instantly

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communicate with one another. So you know, like, if there's

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an Alex on Mars and one here on Earth, and

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I pinched the one on Earth and one on Mars

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go's outs at the exact same moment, how does that happen?

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I mean, you guys aren't connected by strings or a

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fiber optics or anything else. He communicate, so it's happening

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at an energetic level, right, So essentially what they started

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developing this holographic universe that you're saying, You know what,

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maybe the way to explain this is that everything really

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is part of one hole and it's all happening at

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the same time time. The only thing is we're only

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perceiving one part, a one half, a one little piece

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of the equation. We're not seeing the whole picture. So

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if we saw the whole picture, we would probably be

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transcending time in space. And yet we're stuck in our

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little perceptive corner, not seeing the entire hologram, but just

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seeing seeing our little portion of the whole ground. I mean,

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you cited the Hindu tradition a couple of times. Now

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you probably know the story of the elephant right in

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the the blind Yes.

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Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, yeah, yah, of course.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They're all seeing the.

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Speaker 2: Part of the whole right there are Yeah, exactly, So

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each of them feels a part of the elephant. That's

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the that's their reality that they're describing. You know, what

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they think is the reality. They're not seeing the whole elephant.

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So I think there's your answer right there. I always

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thought that was a beautiful analogy to explain.

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Speaker 1: It with a up question. So this cosmic, this cosmic

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hologram that we're talking about here, I mean that is

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Maya in basically what the Hindus we're talking about seven

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thousand years ago. Is that fair?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: So then in ancient in other ancient wisdom that you've

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been able to see, or ancient civilizations, what other civilizations

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had these ideas of the great Illusion? I mean the

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two that I come up to mind always the Hindus

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with Maya and the Aborigine with the Great Dream. Do

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you have any other examples of that? The kind of

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really bring it home to people that this concept of

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a callographic, non real world that we live in is

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not just from nineteen ninety nine when the matrix came out.

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It's been around for quite some time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean almost almost all the almost all the

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major religions. I mean, Gnosticism is a confluence of the

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Kabbalah of Persians, the Rostrianism of Hellenistic philosophy. It's really

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a combination of all those dreams and all those traditions

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describe some kind of process of oneness breaking itself up

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or limiting, limiting itself, descending down the ladder into multiplicity.

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And the multiplicity is duality or multiplicity is where the

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illusion arises because it all stems from one. I mean,

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you know, look, a lot of people think that Hinduism

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is a polytheistic religion. At its heart, it's not. It's

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mono theistic. And it's hard because there's one God, there

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is one entity, but it expresses itself in multiple forms. Okay,

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So I mean even you know, you have that in Christianity,

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where you know, it's the trinitarian Christianity. Now, Judaism on

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the surface has been more staunchly mono theistic, but that's

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an illusion too because if you look at the Kabbalah,

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which is the mystical tradition of Judaism, stemming back thousands

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of years. It's almost saying it's almost exactly the same

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as the Gnostics. It's they describe that, you know, reality

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as a contraction of the one mind, you know, producing

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these various you know, limitations and appearances of multiplicity, but

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it all boils down to one. It's all a matter

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of appearance. And that's where the maya or the illusion

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Speaker 1: Is there any way that quantum physics and ancient wisdom

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kind of intersect when trying to understand consciousness?

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Speaker 2: There is? Well, First of all, I have to say

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that for a long long time now, science has done

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their best to avoid the idea of consciousness. In fact, today,

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if you talk about consciousness and scientific circles, it's called

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the hard problem. That's how that's that's this common jargon

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to describe consciousness. That's called the hard problem. And it's

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called that for a reason because they can't explain it,

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and actually it really runs counter to scientific materialism. So

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we have to make a distinction in science because there's

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been a traditional science, just like there was traditional religion. Okay,

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there has been a traditional orthodox version of science, the

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religion that scientists so criticize. It's it's it. I get

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a kick out of this because there's a scientific orthodoxy

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that is every bit as dogmatic as the Catholic Church, Okay,

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and that that that's that scientific orthodoxy essentially tries to

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say that consciousness is the result of a physical process

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that somehow inorganic matter became organic, and they never describe

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how that happens. Uh. And then uh, you know, you

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have these single cell organisms that were crashing into one

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another and eventually combining into more complex forms and evolving,

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you know, and you know, leading to higher animal higher

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forms of animal life and eventually while a lot of

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consciousness happens. It's a ridiculous explanation. I mean, it's it's

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just it's so patently unscientific, and that's the way they

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tried to, you know, brush off the whole idea. Now

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there is a growing minority, but it's it's it's a

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current that is really happening in science now to understand

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that rather than a bottom up process that happened in

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a material basis, it's consciousness that came first, and that

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material the materiality is a result of consciousness starting from

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the top and working way down, working its way down

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to the bottom. So that that really makes a lot

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more sense from so many different points of view to

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view consciousness as primary over matter rather than matter creating consciousness.

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And there are a number of different theories, but all

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kind of pointing towards the same thing that are really

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00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,039
being picked up and have been kind of stirring for

477
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,480
decades now in science. Some of them are called panpsychism,

478
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,759
which is the idea that consciousness is present in every

479
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:54,559
single thing. It's only a matter of degree. So there's

480
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,039
you know, the difference between us and a rock is

481
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,920
a matter of degree of consciousness. There is a growing

482
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,200
i think understanding that you get rid of so many

483
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:11,000
paradoxes and unexplained phenomena that happened on a quantum and

484
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,559
scientific basis when you start off with consciousness as your

485
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:17,519
premise and then work your way down. So there is

486
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:20,960
an interesting clash going on between traditional science and a

487
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,440
burgeoning new view of consciousness, and it's going to be

488
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,160
playing itself out you certainly from this point on.

489
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: Why do you think that at this point in human history,

490
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,480
to our knowledge at least, this awareness is starting to

491
00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:39,160
creep in, and not just in science and quantum physics,

492
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,759
but these kinds of conversations are happening more and more

493
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,119
in today's world than it would have one hundred years ago.

494
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:48,240
Mind you, we understand the Internet, and there's a lot

495
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,000
more easy it's all easier to get information. But why

496
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,799
do you believe that there's this kind of awakening to

497
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,799
a lot of these concepts and ideas.

498
00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:01,079
Speaker 2: Well, in my mind, it's very simple reason. It's because

499
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:04,279
prior to nineteen hundred, we had no understanding quantum physics.

500
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,640
I mean, you know, you go back to some of

501
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,359
the classical thinkers and classical philosophers. I mean, it's incredible

502
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,599
to me that the Greeks had a concept of atoms

503
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,240
thousands of years ago. The Greeks were brilliant, but by

504
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:19,519
and large is science. Up until nineteen hundred, when Mock's

505
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:23,759
Plank first started, the German physicists first started exploring the

506
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:26,640
quantum world, there really wasn't a great understanding of the

507
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,839
fact that we're composed of light energy. So all these

508
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,920
discoveries in quantum physics now, and remember this, by and large,

509
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,160
people have been living with different religious traditions, less so

510
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:46,319
than spiritual traditions. The difference between religion and spirituality is

511
00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:50,480
that religion basically is think of it as a box

512
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:52,920
and they say, we have all the answers in this box, right,

513
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,559
and those boxers are usually full of dogmas and things. Spirituality,

514
00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:58,799
on other hand, is an open ended process where people

515
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:02,000
can go in and they can, you know, have these

516
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:06,039
spiritual understandings, but then they understand, you know, I want

517
00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:08,759
to move on to the next level. So so spirituality

518
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:11,720
is more of a growth process. Religion is more of

519
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,480
a stagnant process. But they still have had their concepts

520
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,119
of things like the afterlife and the soul and so

521
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:17,839
forth and so on.

522
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:22,079
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

523
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,960
and now back to the show.

524
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: But honestly, you you you've had people, the vast majority

525
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,240
of people have had to take both religion and spiritualisdom

526
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:42,640
on faith. Now, faith is something that you get secondhand

527
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,640
from somebody else, so you can believe it or not

528
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,440
believe it, right, and faith can also be very much

529
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,440
manipulated because there's people with agendas out there and they

530
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:52,920
use faith, you know.

531
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,519
Speaker 1: To stop it. Stop it, Peter, stop it. I can't

532
00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:56,960
believe you.

533
00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: Sorry to surprise you, Sorry to pop that on you,

534
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:04,000
but you know faith, faith, and you know faith has

535
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:07,440
its place, but it also has its drawbacks. Okay, what

536
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:14,160
supersedes faith. The thing that supersedes faith is experiential knowledge. Now,

537
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,039
what I mean by experiential knowledge is not stuff that

538
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:19,319
you read in a book that's factual or wrote knowledge,

539
00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:22,799
and that has its place, too, But experiential knowledge is like, Okay,

540
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,599
so I tell you that fire burns. Okay, now you

541
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:27,400
can take that on faith, but you don't know for

542
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,440
sure until you stick your hand in the fire. Once

543
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,319
you stick your hand in the fire, you own that

544
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,400
experience and then you know it to be a reality.

545
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:39,200
So I think that most people have had to take

546
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,119
things on faith. And it's like, yeah, I think so,

547
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,279
but I don't know. That's what they tell me. And

548
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,880
in all honesty, when you read spiritual texts or you

549
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,599
read the Bible or any other religious scripture, you know

550
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:54,720
you really have to take these things on faith, whether

551
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:57,039
or not there's really something there. But I think what

552
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:00,440
happened was with the rise of quantum physics from nineteen

553
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:04,519
hundred on the rational part of people's minds, the left

554
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:07,200
brains of people's minds, was being assaulted with new information.

555
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:11,880
And that new information, as we've discussed today, started to

556
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,599
support some of the things that these ancient traditions have

557
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:17,480
said that, Hey, there ain't no such thing as a

558
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:20,599
solid world in all reality, it's just the perception of one.

559
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,039
You know, what we view as the solid world is

560
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:26,160
really kind of like a disturbance or blip in the

561
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,279
in the in the quantum energy field from which everything

562
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,160
or everything arises. Yes, it's our limitations that prevent us

563
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,599
from experiencing that, but people have experienced I've experienced it, okay.

564
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,200
I mean, the reason why I'm an international businessman, the

565
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,640
reason why I got into this, and the reason why

566
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,000
I'm on your show, is because I had a series

567
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:46,119
of vivid experiences that changed the course of my life. Now,

568
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,680
in my case, they were spontaneous. Sometimes if you're lucky people,

569
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:52,480
that happens to certain people. Most of the times, people

570
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:57,000
have to arrive at these understandings through a more you know,

571
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,680
a course of study, experimentation, meditation, and everything else, and

572
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,119
then they start to have those experiences with extraordinary consciousness

573
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,519
that lead them to understand, Hey, there's more to life

574
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:12,400
than what I think there is. There really is something

575
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,400
else out there. There's other forces out there that are

576
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,400
at play here that affect this world. You can take

577
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,759
that as an intellectual proposition, but again, once you get

578
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:25,440
to the point where you've actually experienced these things and

579
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,279
then you own it and you know it to be real.

580
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,359
I know this stuff to be real and my gut

581
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,160
because I can cite you multiple instances of why I

582
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,039
think that's real because of what I've been through. But

583
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:37,799
everybody has to get to that place through a different door.

584
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,640
And I do think that the development of quantum physics

585
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:44,559
now gives us a scientific or kind of left brain

586
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,559
approach to understandings of what we've had to take on

587
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,519
faith for thousands of years. So I think it's that

588
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,759
moment in nineteen hundred that started to shift things.

589
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,759
Speaker 1: What were If you don't mind me asking would you

590
00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:00,000
like to share some of those spiritual experiences that you have.

591
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:06,559
Speaker 2: It, well, yeah, I don't mind. I mean it all

592
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:09,480
started off when I was in my twenties and I

593
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,320
found out that I was a medical intuitive, and I

594
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:16,559
was I went to a group that at that time

595
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,920
taught something called ESP, which has kind of fallen out

596
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,239
of the lexicon nowadays extrasensory perception, but that's what it

597
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:29,360
was called back then. And you know, I was sitting

598
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:34,639
opposite somebody in a chair and just talking like I'm

599
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:38,159
talking to you, and and they they were able to.

600
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,599
This group had a collection of index cards where the

601
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,480
people who had been through this course, and there were

602
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:46,960
quite a few back then. I had to bring in

603
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,000
the name of an individual with either a medical, psychological

604
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,920
problem or whatever, and they would have the information on

605
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,760
this card. So one person would have the card and

606
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,920
the other person would essentially try and give the reading

607
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,760
what was going on. So it was pretty controlled because

608
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:08,800
the person who had the car was not allowed to

609
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,400
lead you on in any way, and any response that

610
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,239
you gave, if it was incorrect, they didn't want to

611
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,719
discourage you by saying, hell, no, you really miss that one.

612
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,840
They would just simply say I don't have that information here.

613
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:22,599
But if you hit on something, they were able to say, yes,

614
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:25,039
I have that information, like what else can you tell me?

615
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:30,000
So the very first case that I got was a

616
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,440
gentleman who actually happened to be living in Miami Beach

617
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,199
where I am now, and he was seventy four years old,

618
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,639
and they just gave me his name agent address. And

619
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,480
the very first thing that I was attracted to was

620
00:35:41,519 --> 00:35:43,960
the area of his heart and it looked to me

621
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,320
like his heart was tilted at a funny angle, causing

622
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,800
the a order to be pinched. And I said, I

623
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,320
told them that. They said, well, what does that mean

624
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,320
to you? And I said, what it means to me

625
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,639
is a blockages in the order. And they said that's correct.

626
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,880
They said, what else can you tell us? And I said, well,

627
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,760
I feel something like metallic in the bottom quadrant of

628
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,800
his heart. I think he had a pacemaker installed. And

629
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,679
they said, that's correct. Can you tell us what year

630
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,519
the pacemaker was installed? So I see in my mind,

631
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:07,719
I see the hands of a clock spinning wildly. But

632
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,159
then they stopped dead at ten o'clock, which indicated to

633
00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:13,039
me ten years prior. And so I stated, you know,

634
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:18,679
ten years prior, and that was correct. So once I,

635
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:24,960
once I got over the rational kickback of what I

636
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:26,840
was doing, and I was just able to let it

637
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,599
go and experience it, it opened up just a whole slew

638
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:35,880
phenomena that I would experience remote viewing, clairvoyance, claire audience premonitions.

639
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,440
You know, I actually used this to save my life

640
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,800
in Africa one time. I was actually working in Nigeria

641
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,920
in the nineteen seventies and it could be a pretty

642
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,079
dangerous place over there, and there wasn't very good transportation,

643
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,239
and we had to go from one city down south

644
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,400
up north. It was about an eight hour nine hour

645
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,320
trip through the jungles because the airplanes weren't working day,

646
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,440
which was pretty frequent, And we were just about to

647
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,000
get into one of these transports that you know, carried

648
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:08,760
you know, probably another half a dozen people. And the

649
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,719
guy I was with, I felt something very strong and

650
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,039
I saw I don't want to get in here, and

651
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:16,119
he said, well, you know what, we got to be

652
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:17,679
up here, we have an appointment. I said, I don't care.

653
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:20,920
There's something wrong, and he thought I was crazy, but

654
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,079
I was crazy enough to prevail upon him and I

655
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:25,599
you know, and you know he didn't, he didn't get

656
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:27,480
in what we found out the next day that that

657
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:30,519
same transport was attacked by brigands in the jungle and

658
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:33,719
a couple of passengers were killed. So I but I

659
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,400
had I had things like this, you know. I mean,

660
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,559
I don't I don't want to sit here and give

661
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,639
a recital of this, but these are the kind of

662
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:42,000
things that I was happening. So what was happening? I mean,

663
00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:46,440
I was obviously communicating, you know, with some higher form

664
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:48,119
of energy.

665
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:52,679
Speaker 1: And so then when you started to understand this about yourself,

666
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:55,840
how did you deal with it on a psychological standpoint?

667
00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:59,239
I mean, this is not this is not normal this. Yeah,

668
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,159
I was going to say this is not normal talk

669
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,719
back then. Even it's not normal talk now, but it's

670
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,920
a little bit more understood and more mainstream now than

671
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,840
it was back when you were having When it was

672
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,119
happening to you, I.

673
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 2: Had a very very difficult time for a while because

674
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,000
I became like a psychic sponge. I literally would know

675
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:17,320
conversations almost word for word ten minutes before they were

676
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,679
going to happen. You know, I was on an airplane

677
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,480
and I had a stack of probably one two hundred

678
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,519
pages of documents, and I got off the airplane and

679
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:28,800
I had a flash in my mind at pages ten

680
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,000
and eleven were missing somehow, And I went back on

681
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:33,679
the plane and sure enough, ten and eleven and fall

682
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,639
underneath the seat. So, you know, it wasn't a good

683
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,559
thing because I didn't want to be in people's heads.

684
00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:44,519
I didn't want to invade their thoughts. But if somebody

685
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:47,199
shook my hand, I know all kinds of things about them,

686
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:50,320
the things that I didn't necessarily want to know, and

687
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:54,000
it was really difficult and I had physical issues over it,

688
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:57,559
and I actually went to London to the British Spiritualist

689
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:01,559
Association in Belgravia Square to try and get some advice

690
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:04,320
and some help at that time. So for a while

691
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,599
I just kind of fled it, you know, and then

692
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:10,119
later on I kind of came back. I didn't really

693
00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:16,119
want to be in that level of knowing. It was

694
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,679
too much. It was like a having a spigot turned

695
00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:23,599
on and the water just gushing out, and I didn't

696
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:26,440
want it to be like that. But I will say so,

697
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,679
you know, I decided to write books to describe these

698
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,360
experiences in order to help other people have an understanding

699
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:39,800
of these things. And I wrote a trilogy which became

700
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,960
a twenty five time award winning trilogy, and the first

701
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,360
book of that trilogy is about an African nun who

702
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,599
becomes the first female pope at a time when American

703
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:51,719
iron Or going into a nuclear war. Well, at times

704
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,760
I felt that that book I didn't even write that book.

705
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,559
I felt it was written for me. And Old Times

706
00:39:56,639 --> 00:39:59,920
Magazine ended up doing an article on all the geopolitical

707
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,079
predictions that came true in the book, and they were

708
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,239
you know, a dozen that you know, you know, predicted

709
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,920
an irongoing nuclear or the Second Gulf War, the fact

710
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,800
that there would be a third world pope that was

711
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,880
an Italian, that would come from the Third World, and

712
00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:16,719
Francis was the first one, and that he would take

713
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,719
that that that pope would take a name that wasn't

714
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,639
a typical papal name, and that was the first time

715
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:24,159
to that all all these things were predicted in Pope Analysa.

716
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

717
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,239
and now back to the show.

718
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Speaker 2: So you know, I still use it, and I still

719
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:43,719
use it in my writings and I get information. But

720
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,079
that's good that I'm kind I feel a little bit

721
00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:49,360
more in control of that. I no longer want to

722
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,280
be at the point where I shake your hand and

723
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,400
I know your whole history.

724
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: So it sounds like if I'm going to use the

725
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:58,079
analogy of the water that you did before with consciousness,

726
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:03,679
it seems like, well, we're incarnated, We're thrown from consciousness,

727
00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:08,880
pure consciousness, into the material space, and depending on where

728
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,760
we are, where we have evolved to depends on the

729
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,760
level of how deep we go. Some people always go

730
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,239
all the way down to the bottom of the floor

731
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,639
with the pressure, and that it's really hard to move

732
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,079
the vibrations extremely low, let's say, down there. And then

733
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:25,840
as you start to evolve spiritually and start understanding more

734
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,039
and more of how the game is played, what the

735
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:33,360
rules are, you start evolving. Hence the Yogis or Jesus

736
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,559
or these ascended masters start to going up to the

737
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,119
point where you finally can break through the water again

738
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,320
in an incarnation and understand, ah, I see everything. Is

739
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,639
that a fair analogy of what our soul is kind

740
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:47,320
of going through?

741
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:54,599
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I believe it's probably true that souls

742
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,760
come in at different levels of consciousness, coming to the

743
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,960
earth at different levels of consciousness. So maybe that's why

744
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,119
some people, you know, have spontaneous experiences like I had,

745
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:06,360
and for other people, you know, it's more more of

746
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,199
a difficult process. I mean, that would make logical sense,

747
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,320
just to account for the you know, the account for things. However, however,

748
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,440
the good news is that everybody can assent. Everybody has

749
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,440
that ability to trace their consciousness back towards the source

750
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:28,519
consciousness and you know, achieve potentialities that you know, we

751
00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:31,920
would say are remarkable for turning around you know, people's

752
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:36,880
people's lives and the factors that are involved there. You know,

753
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,320
besides let's say level of soul awareness, of soul growth

754
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,079
that you reincarnate with. You know, the factors that evolve

755
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:45,960
there have a lot to do with things like your desire,

756
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:50,119
your motivation, your ability to be open minded to use

757
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,360
visualization to you know, there's a in the book Quantum

758
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,920
Spirituality I write about, you know, the factors of meditation

759
00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:02,360
and that help the people to propel them to have

760
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,800
these kind of extraordinary experiences. And there are different factors

761
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,079
you know, that can be played with that can accelerate

762
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:09,960
people's growth.

763
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: Now, so when you were explaining what happened to you,

764
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,960
it sounds like almost that you were when you came

765
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:20,760
in in our incarnation. You were at a higher level,

766
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,920
but were unaware that you were at a higher level,

767
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:26,679
unlike someone who was training and going up and evolving

768
00:43:26,679 --> 00:43:30,719
and understanding slowly these abilities coming to them. These were

769
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,559
thrust upon you and you weren't prepared for them, which

770
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:37,519
probably was part of your evolution as a soul to

771
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:40,199
deal with it in this lifetime. Is that a fair statement.

772
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 2: I think it could be a fair statement. Yeah.

773
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's how because I've talked to so many

774
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,239
different people who've had these extra sensory perceptions, whether it's

775
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,000
a psychic medium or a channel or even your death experiences.

776
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:57,880
Some of them it's a smooth transition. Other ones are like,

777
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,920
I feel like I'm going crazy because I hear voices.

778
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:04,559
So it's just different levels of ability. But some are

779
00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:07,320
just aware of those abilities and can control them so

780
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,400
much easier, and other ones it's just kind of thrust upon.

781
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:13,440
It'd be the equivalent of me, all of a sudden

782
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:18,960
being being able to be Michael Jordan and well even better. Yet,

783
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:22,760
if I was given a billion dollars tomorrow, I don't

784
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,519
know how I would deal with that because I'm not

785
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:29,960
prepared intellectually, maybe emotionally, maybe spiritually on what that kind

786
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,000
of responsibility and energy coming towards me in a life

787
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,039
I would be able to deal with. Where you give

788
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:37,559
that to Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos, that's just a

789
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:38,639
Saturday morning for them.

790
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean there was a time when I was

791
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:45,519
younger where I felt I had one foot more in

792
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:50,119
another world than this one. I was starting to lose

793
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:52,599
my perception of myself as being part of this world,

794
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:59,800
and I was like floating off into the wherever. Yeah,

795
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:04,760
and I felt very detached from from, you know, from

796
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,360
this world if I I'm often wondered if I had

797
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,519
died at that time, I might not have even noticed it.

798
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,920
And I tried. It got to a point where its

799
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,519
too very difficult to operate. Uh. And I think that

800
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:21,039
the whole trick to this thing is you have to

801
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:24,639
operate within the material world. I mean I never subscribed

802
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:30,039
to that as set ascetic asthetic, not aesthetic but a

803
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:33,320
s c e. T. I see, you know, the monastic

804
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,320
kind of existence where you just go off in a

805
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,719
cave and you know, you meditate. So I mean, to me,

806
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,400
the whole idea is you take that consciousness, but you

807
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:44,840
use it within this world. You use it for something,

808
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,800
you use it within this world. So I never really

809
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,559
understood that kind of you know, monastic thing, at least

810
00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:53,599
not for any great period of time. Because to me,

811
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:58,440
you know, I feel that human beings are the fingers

812
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,519
of God touching the face of this world, and that

813
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:05,400
our task is to spiritualize the material and bring the

814
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,599
experience of the material back to spirit. It's like a

815
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:11,199
two way communication. You know what, Higher consciousness gets the

816
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:15,039
experience that it couldn't have of being in physical form

817
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:19,199
through us. But by the same token we when we

818
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,719
become more enlightened, we can handle this world in a

819
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,320
more spiritual way and raise the vibration of this world.

820
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,760
So human beings are actually a very important bridge between

821
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,039
consciousness and matter, and that's a much more exalted position

822
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:33,719
than what Judeo Christianity has left us with as a

823
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,920
human beings. Is these kind of lowly you know, separate

824
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,719
pinocchios running around here trying to get back in God's

825
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:40,239
good grace.

826
00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it was just what Jesus said. I mean,

827
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,840
everything I could do, you could do in more the

828
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,239
Kingdom of Heaven is within you. But these have been

829
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:54,400
all bastardized by the powers that be for control purposes,

830
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,519
to control the public. Because if I tell you that, like, oh,

831
00:46:57,559 --> 00:46:59,599
you have all the power to talk to God, well

832
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:00,320
why do you need me?

833
00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 2: So you see what you just described. What you just

834
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,400
described was gnosticism and the fall of gnosticism. The original

835
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,960
mystical Christian message was just as you described it, and

836
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,880
it was bastardized there were two streams of Christianity. Okay,

837
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,400
there was the inner mystical Church, and then there was

838
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,719
the outer church, the Church of the Platitudes, the Beatitudes,

839
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,199
the mass consumption church. And we know that for a fact,

840
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,440
that's not speculation because in the Bible it says that

841
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:30,239
unto the disciples he gave the keys to the Kingdom

842
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,079
of Heaven, but unto those without he spoken parables. And

843
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:35,199
we have further evidence of that in the writings of

844
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:39,199
the early church fathers, so Clement of Alexandria and Origin,

845
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,159
who were both early Christian bishops of Alexandria, which was

846
00:47:42,159 --> 00:47:44,440
a major Christian center at that time, Alexander, the Greek

847
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,360
city of Alexandria and Egypt, affirmed that Jesus had an

848
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,280
inner mystical teaching that was not taught to the masses

849
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,000
because they would not be most of them wouldn't be

850
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,800
able to understand it. So there was a mystical church

851
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,159
right from the very beginning. And if you read the

852
00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:01,119
Gnostic Gospels, what you're seeing is what the original Jesus

853
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:07,039
was teaching. Uh. What what happened? What happened, unfortunately, was

854
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:11,559
that just as you said, uh, the outer Church, which

855
00:48:11,639 --> 00:48:19,039
had a lesser understanding, started dogmatizing and codifying and you know,

856
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:22,480
messing around with the mystical teachings, and they twisted it

857
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,519
in such a way as to create a hierarchy of

858
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:28,320
power of bishops, of priests, of bishops, and everything else.

859
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,280
Of course, the Gnostics said, well you need that. You know,

860
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:34,320
the Church is not an intercessor between us and God.

861
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:37,280
We have a direct line of communication if we you know,

862
00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:39,440
we're but aware of it, we can have a direct

863
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,480
line of communication. We don't need all the all the

864
00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:46,360
you know, all this whole circumstance. Yeah, and you know,

865
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:50,280
you interposing yourself between us and God. Of course, that

866
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,440
was a major threat to the developing Orthodox Church, and

867
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:58,000
eventually they had to eradicate the mystics, so we lost

868
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,880
We could have been as advanced in our spiritual understanding

869
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,199
as some Hindu thinking in the West, but we lost

870
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,559
that with the eradication of the Gnostics, and we lost

871
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:12,559
that with the eradication of our Judaeo Christian mystical tradition.

872
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: That's something I've always wondered because in the Hindu tradition,

873
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:18,800
the mystics and the mystical aspects of it has been

874
00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:24,440
around thousands of years and pretty in there. It wasn't

875
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,360
really just a touch too much, but there is I've

876
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:33,320
heard rumors, but I've heard rumblings of the mystic the

877
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,159
mystics in Judaism, you know, the and and also in

878
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,760
christian and Christianity, but not as much in Christianity as

879
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,639
it was the mystics in Judaism. But it is something

880
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:47,480
that is really just kind of stampered down and put

881
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,920
into the back room and not allowed to come up.

882
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,960
But it is there without question.

883
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, So so yeah, you really hit on something here.

884
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:01,599
So take the three Abrahamic religions, is Christianity, Islam. Okay,

885
00:50:02,679 --> 00:50:07,880
Judaism had the Kabbalah, Christianity had the Gnostics, and Islam

886
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,920
had the Sufis. So those three, those three, the Sufis,

887
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,239
the Gnostics, and the Kabbalists were the mystical traditions, the

888
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,239
inner core or mystical traditions of each of their outward religions,

889
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,719
and in fact, they had more in common with one

890
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,159
another than they had with their own outward traditions. Okay,

891
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:33,199
the Sufis, the Gnostics, and the Kabbalists were pretty much

892
00:50:33,199 --> 00:50:35,320
saying the same thing that I've described to you here.

893
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,800
What I described as Nastisism, you know, could easily be

894
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:45,840
interchangeable with Islamic Sufhism or Judaic Kabbalism.

895
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

896
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:53,360
and now back to the show.

897
00:50:55,639 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: So the Christian tradition, though, was much more suppressed, and

898
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,920
that's why you don't hear as much from them. You know.

899
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:08,239
Somehow the Kabbalah was able to you know, survive, and

900
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,800
the the Sufis were able to survive into the modern age.

901
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,599
But the Catholic Church did an incredible job with Rollman

902
00:51:16,639 --> 00:51:20,159
efficiency of eradicating the mystical tradition, and that's why you

903
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:24,440
don't hear as much about it. But the Gnostic Gospels,

904
00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:28,400
there was a big find in nineteen forty five, the

905
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,239
same year that the atomic bomb came into his existence.

906
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,320
And I do not think this is a coincidence that

907
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,800
they found a major case of the Gnostic Gospels, and

908
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,440
for the first time we were able to hear the

909
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:44,480
voices of the Gnostic masters, whereas prior to that primarily

910
00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:46,559
we had to understand the Gnostics through the writings of

911
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:51,719
their enemies. The church fathers describing them. So, you know, gnosticism,

912
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:57,199
Gnosticism is making its way back into the mainstream. You know,

913
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,360
I'm not the only one who writes about gnosticism. There's

914
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,880
a lot of scholars out there, Elaine Pagel's, Paguel's and

915
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,159
Stephen Haller. You know, there's a lot of people out

916
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:11,599
there that write about gnosticism. In fact, if you google

917
00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:13,280
it or you go to Amazon Books, I'm sure you'll

918
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,599
find scores of books on gnosticism. But the Gnostic wisdom

919
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,199
is coming back into the mainstream to our benefit.

920
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: And I mean it was the Roman and the Roman

921
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,360
Catholic Church. And by the way, plase forgive me. When

922
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,679
I went to Italy and I went to Vatican City,

923
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:33,079
at that one moment I realized all my life I

924
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:34,840
was raised a Roman Catholic. I was like, oh my god.

925
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:40,039
I never connected Rome with Catholicism. I just never connected

926
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:42,039
to me, like, oh my God, it was Constantine. It

927
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:44,480
was a Roman emperor who set all this up and

928
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,159
started in the Council of Nice and all this kind

929
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:49,239
of stuff and getting rid of a lot of the

930
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,559
Gnostic text and getting rid of all the mystical stuff,

931
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:54,639
and God forbid, reincarnation is in there, and all that

932
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,360
kind of stuff was pulled out. It is something that

933
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,679
is that information is slowly starting to seep its way

934
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,159
back into the mainstream because of shows like this, because

935
00:53:04,199 --> 00:53:06,800
of the freedom of information that we have now with

936
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,920
the Internet. And I also don't believe that that's an

937
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,440
accident that it's happening at this point.

938
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:17,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty accurate what you described. So essentially,

939
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,840
Constantine saw a way to unify the Roman Empire, which

940
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,280
was fragmenting socially and politically, and he saw the religion

941
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,920
as a tool to do that. And what way to

942
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,920
snap people online better than you know, to religiously, I mean,

943
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,760
you make fanatics out of them. So yeah, that had

944
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,719
a lot to do with it. And the consuls that

945
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,639
happened afterwards, you know, the Chalcedon and Icea and everything else,

946
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,280
started to describe what it meant to be unorthodox Christian

947
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,159
Orthodox meaning right thinking in Greek. Okay, so you had

948
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the Orthodox Catholic Church back in those days. I mean

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they eventually they separated into the Eastern Roman Empire became

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Orthodox in the Western Roman Empire was Catholic, but originally

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they were Orthodox Catholic h And yeah, they the very

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word itself, orthodox means right thinking. Heretic means someone who

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ain't thinking right.

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Speaker 1: You and I, sir. You and I, sir are heretics, obviously.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The heretics actually were the ones who kind of

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had the you know, we're kind of really clued in. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: It's it is fascinating how this is all coming. Do

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you believe that that the that there is a conscious

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awakening and consciousness of humanity, even though there is all

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this insanity happening in the world, that there is this

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kind of shift in opening and awakening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think a lot of it has to

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do with a recognition of the sacred femine. I mean,

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look years ago, a couple of decades ago, when I

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go to consciousness gatherings like Whole Life Expo or you know,

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any of these consciousnesses, Yeah, it would be like to

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you know, they be two hundred people that are going

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be one hundred and ninety nine women in me and

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now you go to these and it's pretty much equal.

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And I think what's happening is that things kind of

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cycle around, and the feminine principle of life has a

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lot to do with relying on intuition and feeling as

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opposed to rational, analytic and logical. So we've been in

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that rational, analytical and logical mind state for many, you know,

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centuries now, and I think that people are starting to

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understand that subjective consciousness is probably even more important gateway

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to understanding reality than science is. But let me just

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say they're equal, Okay, at the very least they're equal.

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You can approach reality from a scientific standpoint, which takes

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a look at nature and then kind of works its

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way up, or you can approach it from a subjective standpoint,

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which is getting insights and intuition that come from the

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top and then working your way down and eventually they

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meet in the in the middle somewhere. So metaphysics to

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me is just as important as physics itself, as quantum physics.

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And you know, you have a left brain in a

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right brain, right, okay, So the right brain is your

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more intuitive and feeling nature where it resides, and in

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the left brain it's more analytical and logical. I think

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what's happening now is people are becoming more balanced. So

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instead of being one or the other, I think we're

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becoming both. And in fact, the psychologist Carl Jung said

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exactly that when you you know, you merge that left

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brain and right brain, that's when you become an actualized being. Well,

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that's the same thing that Jesus said in the Gnostic Gospels.

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He said, when the male becomes the female and the

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female becomes the male, and the two become one, then

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you will move. Then you will realize the kingdom Hem,

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and then you will move mountains.

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Speaker 1: Now, Peter, I'm gonna ask you a few questions, ask

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all my guests, what is your definition of living a

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fulfilled life?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think something that makes you feel good. I

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think doing something that that that that makes you feel worthwhile, helpful,

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in service to others, performing something that a task that

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is transcends yourself. Uh. And that has a lot to

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do with, you know, being of service to others. I mean,

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you know, I mean honestly, what I'm doing now being

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on your show and everything takes away from my business life, Okay,

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but I'm happy to do that because I feel, you know,

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I'm what I'm trying to do is help other people

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get to the point where they have this these experiences

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with higher or extraordinary consciousness, because then I believe they

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become better human beings. I believe it helps their their

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lives out and so that's why, you know, that's why

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I do this. So for me, you know, that's that's fulfilling.

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If I were simply going about business and earning money

1018
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all the time, well that would be great. There's nothing

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wrong with money, let me tell you, But that would

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not be for me, not be a fulfilled life.

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Speaker 1: If you can go back in time and talk to

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little Peter, what advice would you give him?

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Speaker 2: You know, I I think I would probably have said,

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be a little bit more at ease with the world.

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I always felt when I was young, a sense of alienation,

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that that something was wrong here that I didn't I

1027
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didn't really fit in, that that they had to be

1028
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way more than what you know I was. I was,

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I was feeling, and and it really, in some way,

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in some ways that was good because maybe maybe that's

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what was my spark, you know, that led me on

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to this, I mean, or maybe that was the early

1033
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indication of where my later life would had. Was this

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feeling of alienation or something else is going on here,

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And emotionally I probably would have said ease up a

1036
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little bit you know, don't let it worry you so much,

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you know, don't be so don't don't be so concerned

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about it. Just go with the flow and we'll let it,

1039
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let it unfold itself. I probably would have said, Yeah,

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that's what I probably would have told myself.

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Speaker 1: How do you define God or source energy?

1042
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Speaker 2: Consciousness? Consciousness that expresses itself through the vehicle of light

1043
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and light is a conveys intelligence, you know, and intelligence

1044
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means intention. So really there is information that is encoded

1045
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in light energy, just the same way that DNA encodes

1046
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the information that shapes our body. I believe that light

1047
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energy encodes the information that shapes our world, It shapes

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our universe, that shapes creation. So that God essentially is

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that consciousness that conveys itself through those mediums.

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Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

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Speaker 2: Like I think I said it before, I think the

1052
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ultimate purpose of life is to as human beings, is

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to spiritualize the material, bring the experience of the material

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back to spirit.

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Speaker 1: And where can people find out more about you and

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the work that you're doing. We'll be right back after

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a word from our sponsor, and now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the best place to go is uh

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my website Petercanova dot com. That's p E T E

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r c A n O v A dot com. Uh.

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It tells about my works, the trilogy that I mentioned

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and my my new book, Quantum Spirituality, which incidentally the first.

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My publisher just entered it the first of a number

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of book contests, the American Book Fest. They entered it

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in four categories and at one in all four categories.

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So it's a it's a it's a real it's a

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real dot connector. I mean, it encompasses quantum physics, the

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ancient spirituality, we've been talking about, union psychology. It takes

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several different disciplines and correlates them and shows how they're

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saying the same thing and giving the same indicators. So

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really what it is, it's like our roadmap for people

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who are on a spiritual journey, and it kind of

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has sign points that indicate things to look at, things

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to consider, directions to go and to enhance your spiritual growth.

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I cannot tell anybody how to conduct their own spiritual life,

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but what I can do is set up an arena

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of knowledge and information for them to work in and

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then launch themselves off on their own path.

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Speaker 1: Peter, it has been a pleasure and honor talking to you,

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my friend. It was a very fascinating conversation and hopefully

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it's going to help a few souls out there. So

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I appreciate you, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.

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If you feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll

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