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Now let's dive in to today's episode. I like to
welcome to the show, Peter Canova.
Speaker 2: How you doing, Peter, Good to see Alex.
Speaker 1: Good to see you too, my friend. Thank you so
much for coming on the show. We're gonna have an
exciting talk today about one of my favorite subjects, which
is multiverse theory, ancient civilizations, ancient history, spirituality, all of
it kind of connecting together. So my first question to
you is, how does the multiverse theory align with the
ancient spiritual views of reality?
Speaker 2: AI aligns really well. In fact, I'd go so far
as to say that ancient spiritual traditions, particularly the Gnostic
spiritual traditions that I concentrate in, really read like a
textbook for quantum physics and the creation of parallel universes.
If you read the Gnostic texts, it describes a process
whereby different levels of consciousness are projected outward. In these
levels of consciousness essentially are dimensions. There's separate dimensions of
existence vibrating at different frequencies. So this was described pretty
thoroughly in the Gnostic texts, and it really really fits
very well.
Speaker 1: So can you kind of dig in a little deeper
into this, into what the Gnostic texts are talking about reality?
Because I know that about the Gnostic text but I'm
not very well versed in it. So can you explain
it to the audience a little bit?
Speaker 2: Sure? Well, first of all, maybe I should just explain
who the Gnostics were, just to put everybody in the
same picture. Gnostics were a both a pagan and a
Judeo Christian mystical group. They predated Christianity, but when Jesus
started his mission in Palestine, they became amongst the first
Christians because they saw that he was teaching essentially a
Gnostic message. And the Gnostic creation story really is about
the fall of consciousness or spirit energy from a state
of oneness into a state of multiplicity. And that multiplicity
is really equal to the multiverse that we're talking about,
because essentially what they said was that the one consciousness
projected itself out into other points of consciousness, which you
can call spiritual beings. You know, somewhat analogous to the
Christian idea angels or archangels or whatever you know, separate,
separate centers of intelligence in effect, and that each of
these vibrated at a particular level and formed different sphere
or dimension of existence. So essentially, what they were describing
in non technical terms was the whole idea of a multiverse,
of a layer of parallel universes that led really right
on down to the physical dimension in which we believe
to be our reality.
Speaker 1: So when you're saying parallel realities, are these this, We're
going to go down some rabbit hole. Here's Peter. So
from what I understand that, I've spoken to some spiritual
masters that say that every thought or every major decision,
let's say, not every thought, not like you know, a
cup of coffee or not cup of coffee, any major
decision splits you off into another. There's another version of
you going off to see how that finishes off, Like
did I take that job in New York? Or did
I not take that job in New York? Did I
date Susie? Did I date Susie? That kind of thing,
and those kind of parallel realities are going off. Is
this what they're talking about? Or is it more there
are just a set level of like the there's ten,
for lack of a better number, there's ten parallel realities
to our current reality.
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Which one is it? Do you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, the first thing that you mentioned is really
called the many world's theory, and that is a theory
in quantum physics as well. And the Gnostics describe more
of the latter one, you know, a not necessarily, I
don't know if I describe it as fixed, I would
say that it is more like that. But there's many,
many of these parallel dimensions of you know, of existence.
There's a multiplicity of them out there. They some Gnostic texts, Yes,
you mentioned the number ten or eleven. They did mention that,
which coincidentally is what quantum string theory says that there
are ten or eleven major dimensions of existence. So, you know,
neither quantum physics nor any of the ancient spiritual texts
I can find are very precise in terms of saying,
you know, what the numbers are. I think I think
what they really concentrate on is the fact that what
they're trying to say is, look, the reality that we
perceive is not the only reality in fact, it may
be the bottom rung of the ladder that there are
many unseen dimensions of consciousness and intelligent energy that exist
prior to us. And I think that's the major point
that they're trying to convey, rather than you know, try
and say, well this five thousand of these, or there's
two thousand of these, you know, and so forth.
Speaker 1: So then would the concept of the ascended masters, which
are like the Jesus, the Buddhas, the Joganandos of the
world that walked once on Earth and ascended to a
higher state of consciousness while on this, this, this and
this reality. From spiritual texts like the Vedic texts and
things like that, it's said that they are they rise
beyond multiple layers, and they're still learning at other layers.
So in other words, they might be God like here,
but they are still going like on level six they're
just starting, or a level set of reality dimension seven,
they're just starting. Is that something that you've had any
interaction with in your research?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, I've run across that. That's
not really what the gnostic techs say, but I am
familiar with with that. You have to remember also, just
as there are you know, various views in quantum physics,
there's quite a variation, and you know, terms of spiritual traditions, Okay,
generally speaking, they all point toward the same thing, but
how you get from you know, A to Z is
quite different in each of the spiritual traditions. So, yes,
I am familiar with what you with what you just described.
I think that there is no question that what it
all boils down to is this. We started from one
source consciousness. There that source consciousness fell in a series
of limitations. And what do I mean by limitations? What
I mean is delusions of consciousness. So, for instance, you
have to have limited or dilution of consciousness in order
to experience individual existence. Why well, simply because if you
weren't differentiated from the source consciousness, you'd be the source consciousness,
you'd be reabsorbed under the source consciousness, you'd be part
of the everything. So that somehow the everything has to
fool itself into thinking it's something. And the way it
does that is by projecting limited portions of its consciousness
out to create these different spiritual centers, to create these
different parallel dimensions. So what it really is all about
is limitation now taking that into consideration, by the time
you get down to where we are, which I think
is pretty low in the total poll, By the time
you get down to where we are, you're talking about
a lot of limitation of consciousness. So you know clearly
what these masters are doing, or what anybody who's seeking
enlightenment is doing, is increasing their rate of frequency, increasing
their rate of consciousness in order to work their way
back up the life are, you know, essentially acquire more awares,
acquire more consciousness and therefore raise themselves or you described
to begin that process of reascending.
Speaker 1: So would the stories of the yogis, let's say, the
ancient yogis that we're able to do let's say, quote
unquote magical things like levitation or biolocation or things like that,
even within the last one hundred two hundred years. Their
yogis that walk the earth, even currently we're working on
the earth through our quote unquote enlightened beings. Is that
what they were doing in a sense of like raising
their vibration to the point where, for lack of a
better word, they're neo and they're starting to see the
code of the matrix, and they're learning how to manipulate
it in ways that we just can't comprehend, so it
looks magical to us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a pretty accurate description. I mean,
when you have these these type of phenomena, non ordinary phenomenon,
I mean, to the extent that they're being expressed by
these individuals, it means that they're they penetry beyond the
illusion of the fact that we're material, because we're not material.
What we are. What we are is a mixture of
we are energy that has convinced itself that it is
solid three D matter. Okay, and that's not just a
spiritual statement, that's a quantum fact. I mean, we all know.
I think all your listeners probably know enough to understand
that what we view as solid three D objects, including
our bodies, are actually not solid at all. They're composed
of subatomic particles with vast quantities of space between them,
and that are composed of light, energy and quantum. Physicists
know at the very basis of reality there is no
such thing as matter. All there is is a wave
of quantum potential, a wave of energy. So energy is
primary and matter descends from energy. Matter essentially is coagulated energy.
It's energy that has slowed in vibration.
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Speaker 2: So consequently, you look at something as simple as Einstein's
equals and e equals mc square, the famous equation. What
that equation is telling you that matter comes from energy.
Energy and matter are interchangeable, and that's the basis of
the atomic bomb. The atomic bomb is releasing that captive
energy and matter and unleashing that tremendous amount of energy
back into an atomic phenomenon. So yeah, I mean the
gurus or the Yogi's or whatever you talked about that
experience these that are able to manifest these phenomena. Yeah,
they would have achieved a level of awareness that essentially
has transcended them above the illusion of the fact that
we are physical beings and they're able to manipulate energies
at a higher level.
Speaker 1: I love that I've never heard you a head brought
to that level because the concept of we're all energy,
and you know, there a top level where there is
mass amounts of space. But I love when you said
that it's energy that has slowed down and coagulated to
believe that it's solid that actually makes a tremendous amount
of sense to me, because the higher the vibration, I guess,
the less coagulated it is in many ways, which then
goes along with what these these ancient stories of Yogi's
or even Jesus's miracles in the Bible, and what he
was doing. He was doing very Yogic things back then,
these miracles because he was probably again he was the
Neo and was seeing beyond behind the code, if it will.
Speaker 2: Well, one of the most astonishing things that I chronic
or I talk about in my new book Quantum Spirituality,
is that, you know, I demonstrate very graphically how the
Gnostic Text predicted almost every major there quantum physics. And
one of the most striking things that they predict is
what's called the God particle. Now you may have heard
of the God particle. It was in I think one
of Dan Brown's movies. And twenty twelve they finally found
the little bugger that they've been looking for for fifty years,
called the Higgs boson. That's called the God particle. And essentially,
what the Higgs boson does is that when matter enters
into our universe, and incidentally, scientists don't know what I
mean I should say when energy enters into our universe,
scientists do not know what energy is. Okay, No, if
you ask a scientist what is energy, they're either lying
to you or they'll just be honest and say, we
have no idea. They can manipulate it. They know how
to manipulate it for certain purposes under limited circumstances, but
they don't know where it comes from, and they really
don't know what it is. Energy comes into our universe
at a high rate of frequency. And what happens is
that our universe is surrounded by a blanket and effect
called the Higgs field, and the Higgs field contains these
they're kind of almost like virtual particles Higgs bosons, and
the Higgs bosons attach themselves to these high streams of
energy and they begin to slow them down. So think
of like, for instance, you take a gun and you
start shooting it into a swimming pool. Okay, the water
from the swimming pool slows the velocity of the bullet
as opposed to the bullet traveling through just plain air.
So the Higgs boson essentially acts in the same way.
It slows down these high energy streams to the point
where they start to take on mass, they start to
take on the characteristics of mass or matter. This is
now pretty much scientific fact. So the Gnostics describe this
exact process as of their One of these high Gnostic beings,
basically an aspect of God or an aspect of the Source,
falls into a dimension called chaos, which is really chaos
is part of quantum physics too. It's chaos is basically
unformed potential. It's potential, you know, in the it's in potentiality.
It hasn't actually coalesced into an object yet, okay, but
it's an object in potential. So this figure falls into chaos,
and it's a high energy figure, and it's surrounded by
what the text called proto matter, which is astonishing because
that's like another word for virtual particles. So these virtual
particles and potential swarmed around this high energy being and
lowered her frequency. She starts crying out to Heaven, I'm
becoming mass, I'm becoming matter. I'm becoming is led save me,
And essentially the whole story from then on is about
how this interaction with that high energy stream slowed down
by these virtual particles, leads to the formation of matter.
It's like astonishing. It's an exact description of the God particle.
Speaker 1: So if we're all in agreement that we're all energy
and really we should be able to just walk through
walls or walk through anything, because there's really no matter
quote unquote on a subatonic level. What is the organizing
factor that makes Peter Peter and Alex Alex? What is
the intelligence that is holding all of these protons and
neutrons and electrons together to form this this these beings
that are Peter and Alex.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, there's there's a short answer and there's a
long answer to that. The short answer is that we
are part of this stream of consciousness that descended from
this one source. So if you take a look at
the typical Judeo Christian version of creation, essentially it pictures
human beings as these separate creations that were made out
of the dust of the earth, and you know, we're
kind of like these little wind up dolls that were
placed down here, and oh, by the way, we sinned
against God and pissed him off, and now we're forever
trying to get back in as good graces, you know,
kind of like here. So here's the difference. Pinocchio was
a creation of Geepeto. Geppetto was the maker, Okioa was
the thing that was made. That's the Judeo Christian version.
But in the Gnostic and the mystical version, and this
goes back to the Hindus also, that's not the way
it was. We are actually emanations. That word emanation means
a projection of an essence. It is of the same
essence projected outward. Okay, so we are part of this
conscious energy stream that was projected from the source itself.
Now we get back into why do you perceive yourself
as you or me? And why we perceive a world
around us. It's because of this limitation I spoke about.
We are even though we are part of that source consciousness,
we are vastly limited parts of that source consciousness. So
we don't perceive ourselves. We've forgotten ourselves as part of
that source in effect, and we think of ourselves as
these separate creations. And another analogy. You know, this always
gets into very dense stuff, So I always try and
give people an analogy to help them understand. Think of
a pure stream up in the mountains, a pure lake
up in the mountains. You know, it's absolutely pristine, but
it flows down the side of the mountain like a waterfall. Okay. Now,
as it flows down the mountain, it starts to pick
up dirt and contaminants and it gets down the bottom
and it gets really muddy. But it's all part of
the same stream. Okay. So the source itself is unlimited,
but the stream itself picks up all kinds of pollutants
and bad ideas and limitations and manifest is something that
looks something different down at the bottom of the Mountain's
that's what we are where the stuff at.
Speaker 1: The bottom doesn't stuff very appetizing.
Speaker 2: Sorry, we're bottom feeder. It's what can I tell you?
Speaker 1: So we talked a little bit about the many world's theory.
Can you describe or does the many worlds theory reflect
ancient ideas of alternate realities?
Speaker 2: You know, the many the many worlds theory? Again, you
know you did accurately describe it in the sense that
you know, for everything we do, every decision we make
on alternate reality is created. Really, I have not run
into any ancient spiritual traditions that describe that at all.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know.
Speaker 2: That that's more. That's really more of a one of
several competing theories and quantum you know, and quantum physics
along with string theory and other other kinds of theories
of multiverse and parallel universes. But I mean strictly speaking, no,
I mean in terms of ancient spiritual tecks. I've really
not run into anything that is described like that.
Speaker 1: So so in the world that we live in, in
this dimension that we live in currently, we have to
deal with time and space, where quantum physics is starting
to throw that a little bit. With quantum entanglement, time
and space is starting to not be real anymore. So
my question to you is, after speaking to so many
people who've had I've had a lot of near death
experiences on I've had quantum physicists on talking about the
concept of reincarnation as a soul, and we're going a
little bit more spiritual here, but it kind of goes
I'll go back to the it'll get back to quantum
physics in a second. The idea that there is no
past life and there is no future life, that all
lives are happening at the exact same time because there
is no time or space on the other side, Is
there anything in quantum physics that kind of can make
sense of all of that at the exact same time,
or have you heard of anything in your research. Absolutely,
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think you're right. I mean, at
the most fundamental level of reality, there is no such
thing as space or time is There only is is,
There's only consciousness, undifferentiated consciousness. The concept of space and
time is again a function of the limitation. This is
why I keep mentioning the word limitation, because it's apparent
what we what we view as reality is an apparent reality.
It's what it seems like reality to us. Okay, now
you mentioned the matrix, you mentioned neo, so strong indications
are that essentially we're living in a holographic projection. Okay.
And the the thing about a hologram is you can
slice and dice a hologram up into any kind of
parts you want, but each little piece of that hologram
contains the image of the hole. So, going back to
quantum maintangment, how do you explain quantum maintaglement? What that
is is like particles that are the essentially like hundreds
of thousands or millions of light years apart can instantly
communicate with one another. So you know, like, if there's
an Alex on Mars and one here on Earth, and
I pinched the one on Earth and one on Mars
go's outs at the exact same moment, how does that happen?
I mean, you guys aren't connected by strings or a
fiber optics or anything else. He communicate, so it's happening
at an energetic level, right, So essentially what they started
developing this holographic universe that you're saying, You know what,
maybe the way to explain this is that everything really
is part of one hole and it's all happening at
the same time time. The only thing is we're only
perceiving one part, a one half, a one little piece
of the equation. We're not seeing the whole picture. So
if we saw the whole picture, we would probably be
transcending time in space. And yet we're stuck in our
little perceptive corner, not seeing the entire hologram, but just
seeing seeing our little portion of the whole ground. I mean,
you cited the Hindu tradition a couple of times. Now
you probably know the story of the elephant right in
the the blind Yes.
Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, yeah, yah, of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They're all seeing the.
Speaker 2: Part of the whole right there are Yeah, exactly, So
each of them feels a part of the elephant. That's
the that's their reality that they're describing. You know, what
they think is the reality. They're not seeing the whole elephant.
So I think there's your answer right there. I always
thought that was a beautiful analogy to explain.
Speaker 1: It with a up question. So this cosmic, this cosmic
hologram that we're talking about here, I mean that is
Maya in basically what the Hindus we're talking about seven
thousand years ago. Is that fair?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: So then in ancient in other ancient wisdom that you've
been able to see, or ancient civilizations, what other civilizations
had these ideas of the great Illusion? I mean the
two that I come up to mind always the Hindus
with Maya and the Aborigine with the Great Dream. Do
you have any other examples of that? The kind of
really bring it home to people that this concept of
a callographic, non real world that we live in is
not just from nineteen ninety nine when the matrix came out.
It's been around for quite some time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean almost almost all the almost all the
major religions. I mean, Gnosticism is a confluence of the
Kabbalah of Persians, the Rostrianism of Hellenistic philosophy. It's really
a combination of all those dreams and all those traditions
describe some kind of process of oneness breaking itself up
or limiting, limiting itself, descending down the ladder into multiplicity.
And the multiplicity is duality or multiplicity is where the
illusion arises because it all stems from one. I mean,
you know, look, a lot of people think that Hinduism
is a polytheistic religion. At its heart, it's not. It's
mono theistic. And it's hard because there's one God, there
is one entity, but it expresses itself in multiple forms. Okay,
So I mean even you know, you have that in Christianity,
where you know, it's the trinitarian Christianity. Now, Judaism on
the surface has been more staunchly mono theistic, but that's
an illusion too because if you look at the Kabbalah,
which is the mystical tradition of Judaism, stemming back thousands
of years. It's almost saying it's almost exactly the same
as the Gnostics. It's they describe that, you know, reality
as a contraction of the one mind, you know, producing
these various you know, limitations and appearances of multiplicity, but
it all boils down to one. It's all a matter
of appearance. And that's where the maya or the illusion
comes in.
Speaker 1: Is there any way that quantum physics and ancient wisdom
kind of intersect when trying to understand consciousness?
Speaker 2: There is? Well, First of all, I have to say
that for a long long time now, science has done
their best to avoid the idea of consciousness. In fact, today,
if you talk about consciousness and scientific circles, it's called
the hard problem. That's how that's that's this common jargon
to describe consciousness. That's called the hard problem. And it's
called that for a reason because they can't explain it,
and actually it really runs counter to scientific materialism. So
we have to make a distinction in science because there's
been a traditional science, just like there was traditional religion. Okay,
there has been a traditional orthodox version of science, the
religion that scientists so criticize. It's it's it. I get
a kick out of this because there's a scientific orthodoxy
that is every bit as dogmatic as the Catholic Church, Okay,
and that that that's that scientific orthodoxy essentially tries to
say that consciousness is the result of a physical process
that somehow inorganic matter became organic, and they never describe
how that happens. Uh. And then uh, you know, you
have these single cell organisms that were crashing into one
another and eventually combining into more complex forms and evolving,
you know, and you know, leading to higher animal higher
forms of animal life and eventually while a lot of
consciousness happens. It's a ridiculous explanation. I mean, it's it's
just it's so patently unscientific, and that's the way they
tried to, you know, brush off the whole idea. Now
there is a growing minority, but it's it's it's a
current that is really happening in science now to understand
that rather than a bottom up process that happened in
a material basis, it's consciousness that came first, and that
material the materiality is a result of consciousness starting from
the top and working way down, working its way down
to the bottom. So that that really makes a lot
more sense from so many different points of view to
view consciousness as primary over matter rather than matter creating consciousness.
And there are a number of different theories, but all
kind of pointing towards the same thing that are really
being picked up and have been kind of stirring for
decades now in science. Some of them are called panpsychism,
which is the idea that consciousness is present in every
single thing. It's only a matter of degree. So there's
you know, the difference between us and a rock is
a matter of degree of consciousness. There is a growing
i think understanding that you get rid of so many
paradoxes and unexplained phenomena that happened on a quantum and
scientific basis when you start off with consciousness as your
premise and then work your way down. So there is
an interesting clash going on between traditional science and a
burgeoning new view of consciousness, and it's going to be
playing itself out you certainly from this point on.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that at this point in human history,
to our knowledge at least, this awareness is starting to
creep in, and not just in science and quantum physics,
but these kinds of conversations are happening more and more
in today's world than it would have one hundred years ago.
Mind you, we understand the Internet, and there's a lot
more easy it's all easier to get information. But why
do you believe that there's this kind of awakening to
a lot of these concepts and ideas.
Speaker 2: Well, in my mind, it's very simple reason. It's because
prior to nineteen hundred, we had no understanding quantum physics.
I mean, you know, you go back to some of
the classical thinkers and classical philosophers. I mean, it's incredible
to me that the Greeks had a concept of atoms
thousands of years ago. The Greeks were brilliant, but by
and large is science. Up until nineteen hundred, when Mock's
Plank first started, the German physicists first started exploring the
quantum world, there really wasn't a great understanding of the
fact that we're composed of light energy. So all these
discoveries in quantum physics now, and remember this, by and large,
people have been living with different religious traditions, less so
than spiritual traditions. The difference between religion and spirituality is
that religion basically is think of it as a box
and they say, we have all the answers in this box, right,
and those boxers are usually full of dogmas and things. Spirituality,
on other hand, is an open ended process where people
can go in and they can, you know, have these
spiritual understandings, but then they understand, you know, I want
to move on to the next level. So so spirituality
is more of a growth process. Religion is more of
a stagnant process. But they still have had their concepts
of things like the afterlife and the soul and so
forth and so on.
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Speaker 2: But honestly, you you you've had people, the vast majority
of people have had to take both religion and spiritualisdom
on faith. Now, faith is something that you get secondhand
from somebody else, so you can believe it or not
believe it, right, and faith can also be very much
manipulated because there's people with agendas out there and they
use faith, you know.
Speaker 1: To stop it. Stop it, Peter, stop it. I can't
believe you.
Speaker 2: Sorry to surprise you, Sorry to pop that on you,
but you know faith, faith, and you know faith has
its place, but it also has its drawbacks. Okay, what
supersedes faith. The thing that supersedes faith is experiential knowledge. Now,
what I mean by experiential knowledge is not stuff that
you read in a book that's factual or wrote knowledge,
and that has its place, too, But experiential knowledge is like, Okay,
so I tell you that fire burns. Okay, now you
can take that on faith, but you don't know for
sure until you stick your hand in the fire. Once
you stick your hand in the fire, you own that
experience and then you know it to be a reality.
So I think that most people have had to take
things on faith. And it's like, yeah, I think so,
but I don't know. That's what they tell me. And
in all honesty, when you read spiritual texts or you
read the Bible or any other religious scripture, you know
you really have to take these things on faith, whether
or not there's really something there. But I think what
happened was with the rise of quantum physics from nineteen
hundred on the rational part of people's minds, the left
brains of people's minds, was being assaulted with new information.
And that new information, as we've discussed today, started to
support some of the things that these ancient traditions have
said that, Hey, there ain't no such thing as a
solid world in all reality, it's just the perception of one.
You know, what we view as the solid world is
really kind of like a disturbance or blip in the
in the in the quantum energy field from which everything
or everything arises. Yes, it's our limitations that prevent us
from experiencing that, but people have experienced I've experienced it, okay.
I mean, the reason why I'm an international businessman, the
reason why I got into this, and the reason why
I'm on your show, is because I had a series
of vivid experiences that changed the course of my life. Now,
in my case, they were spontaneous. Sometimes if you're lucky people,
that happens to certain people. Most of the times, people
have to arrive at these understandings through a more you know,
a course of study, experimentation, meditation, and everything else, and
then they start to have those experiences with extraordinary consciousness
that lead them to understand, Hey, there's more to life
than what I think there is. There really is something
else out there. There's other forces out there that are
at play here that affect this world. You can take
that as an intellectual proposition, but again, once you get
to the point where you've actually experienced these things and
then you own it and you know it to be real.
I know this stuff to be real and my gut
because I can cite you multiple instances of why I
think that's real because of what I've been through. But
everybody has to get to that place through a different door.
And I do think that the development of quantum physics
now gives us a scientific or kind of left brain
approach to understandings of what we've had to take on
faith for thousands of years. So I think it's that
moment in nineteen hundred that started to shift things.
Speaker 1: What were If you don't mind me asking would you
like to share some of those spiritual experiences that you have.
Speaker 2: It, well, yeah, I don't mind. I mean it all
started off when I was in my twenties and I
found out that I was a medical intuitive, and I
was I went to a group that at that time
taught something called ESP, which has kind of fallen out
of the lexicon nowadays extrasensory perception, but that's what it
was called back then. And you know, I was sitting
opposite somebody in a chair and just talking like I'm
talking to you, and and they they were able to.
This group had a collection of index cards where the
people who had been through this course, and there were
quite a few back then. I had to bring in
the name of an individual with either a medical, psychological
problem or whatever, and they would have the information on
this card. So one person would have the card and
the other person would essentially try and give the reading
what was going on. So it was pretty controlled because
the person who had the car was not allowed to
lead you on in any way, and any response that
you gave, if it was incorrect, they didn't want to
discourage you by saying, hell, no, you really miss that one.
They would just simply say I don't have that information here.
But if you hit on something, they were able to say, yes,
I have that information, like what else can you tell me?
So the very first case that I got was a
gentleman who actually happened to be living in Miami Beach
where I am now, and he was seventy four years old,
and they just gave me his name agent address. And
the very first thing that I was attracted to was
the area of his heart and it looked to me
like his heart was tilted at a funny angle, causing
the a order to be pinched. And I said, I
told them that. They said, well, what does that mean
to you? And I said, what it means to me
is a blockages in the order. And they said that's correct.
They said, what else can you tell us? And I said, well,
I feel something like metallic in the bottom quadrant of
his heart. I think he had a pacemaker installed. And
they said, that's correct. Can you tell us what year
the pacemaker was installed? So I see in my mind,
I see the hands of a clock spinning wildly. But
then they stopped dead at ten o'clock, which indicated to
me ten years prior. And so I stated, you know,
ten years prior, and that was correct. So once I,
once I got over the rational kickback of what I
was doing, and I was just able to let it
go and experience it, it opened up just a whole slew
phenomena that I would experience remote viewing, clairvoyance, claire audience premonitions.
You know, I actually used this to save my life
in Africa one time. I was actually working in Nigeria
in the nineteen seventies and it could be a pretty
dangerous place over there, and there wasn't very good transportation,
and we had to go from one city down south
up north. It was about an eight hour nine hour
trip through the jungles because the airplanes weren't working day,
which was pretty frequent, And we were just about to
get into one of these transports that you know, carried
you know, probably another half a dozen people. And the
guy I was with, I felt something very strong and
I saw I don't want to get in here, and
he said, well, you know what, we got to be
up here, we have an appointment. I said, I don't care.
There's something wrong, and he thought I was crazy, but
I was crazy enough to prevail upon him and I
you know, and you know he didn't, he didn't get
in what we found out the next day that that
same transport was attacked by brigands in the jungle and
a couple of passengers were killed. So I but I
had I had things like this, you know. I mean,
I don't I don't want to sit here and give
a recital of this, but these are the kind of
things that I was happening. So what was happening? I mean,
I was obviously communicating, you know, with some higher form
of energy.
Speaker 1: And so then when you started to understand this about yourself,
how did you deal with it on a psychological standpoint?
I mean, this is not this is not normal this. Yeah,
I was going to say this is not normal talk
back then. Even it's not normal talk now, but it's
a little bit more understood and more mainstream now than
it was back when you were having When it was
happening to you, I.
Speaker 2: Had a very very difficult time for a while because
I became like a psychic sponge. I literally would know
conversations almost word for word ten minutes before they were
going to happen. You know, I was on an airplane
and I had a stack of probably one two hundred
pages of documents, and I got off the airplane and
I had a flash in my mind at pages ten
and eleven were missing somehow, And I went back on
the plane and sure enough, ten and eleven and fall
underneath the seat. So, you know, it wasn't a good
thing because I didn't want to be in people's heads.
I didn't want to invade their thoughts. But if somebody
shook my hand, I know all kinds of things about them,
the things that I didn't necessarily want to know, and
it was really difficult and I had physical issues over it,
and I actually went to London to the British Spiritualist
Association in Belgravia Square to try and get some advice
and some help at that time. So for a while
I just kind of fled it, you know, and then
later on I kind of came back. I didn't really
want to be in that level of knowing. It was
too much. It was like a having a spigot turned
on and the water just gushing out, and I didn't
want it to be like that. But I will say so,
you know, I decided to write books to describe these
experiences in order to help other people have an understanding
of these things. And I wrote a trilogy which became
a twenty five time award winning trilogy, and the first
book of that trilogy is about an African nun who
becomes the first female pope at a time when American
iron Or going into a nuclear war. Well, at times
I felt that that book I didn't even write that book.
I felt it was written for me. And Old Times
Magazine ended up doing an article on all the geopolitical
predictions that came true in the book, and they were
you know, a dozen that you know, you know, predicted
an irongoing nuclear or the Second Gulf War, the fact
that there would be a third world pope that was
an Italian, that would come from the Third World, and
Francis was the first one, and that he would take
that that that pope would take a name that wasn't
a typical papal name, and that was the first time
to that all all these things were predicted in Pope Analysa.
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Speaker 2: So you know, I still use it, and I still
use it in my writings and I get information. But
that's good that I'm kind I feel a little bit
more in control of that. I no longer want to
be at the point where I shake your hand and
I know your whole history.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like if I'm going to use the
analogy of the water that you did before with consciousness,
it seems like, well, we're incarnated, We're thrown from consciousness,
pure consciousness, into the material space, and depending on where
we are, where we have evolved to depends on the
level of how deep we go. Some people always go
all the way down to the bottom of the floor
with the pressure, and that it's really hard to move
the vibrations extremely low, let's say, down there. And then
as you start to evolve spiritually and start understanding more
and more of how the game is played, what the
rules are, you start evolving. Hence the Yogis or Jesus
or these ascended masters start to going up to the
point where you finally can break through the water again
in an incarnation and understand, ah, I see everything. Is
that a fair analogy of what our soul is kind
of going through?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I believe it's probably true that souls
come in at different levels of consciousness, coming to the
earth at different levels of consciousness. So maybe that's why
some people, you know, have spontaneous experiences like I had,
and for other people, you know, it's more more of
a difficult process. I mean, that would make logical sense,
just to account for the you know, the account for things. However, however,
the good news is that everybody can assent. Everybody has
that ability to trace their consciousness back towards the source
consciousness and you know, achieve potentialities that you know, we
would say are remarkable for turning around you know, people's
people's lives and the factors that are involved there. You know,
besides let's say level of soul awareness, of soul growth
that you reincarnate with. You know, the factors that evolve
there have a lot to do with things like your desire,
your motivation, your ability to be open minded to use
visualization to you know, there's a in the book Quantum
Spirituality I write about, you know, the factors of meditation
and that help the people to propel them to have
these kind of extraordinary experiences. And there are different factors
you know, that can be played with that can accelerate
people's growth.
Speaker 1: Now, so when you were explaining what happened to you,
it sounds like almost that you were when you came
in in our incarnation. You were at a higher level,
but were unaware that you were at a higher level,
unlike someone who was training and going up and evolving
and understanding slowly these abilities coming to them. These were
thrust upon you and you weren't prepared for them, which
probably was part of your evolution as a soul to
deal with it in this lifetime. Is that a fair statement.
Speaker 2: I think it could be a fair statement. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's how because I've talked to so many
different people who've had these extra sensory perceptions, whether it's
a psychic medium or a channel or even your death experiences.
Some of them it's a smooth transition. Other ones are like,
I feel like I'm going crazy because I hear voices.
So it's just different levels of ability. But some are
just aware of those abilities and can control them so
much easier, and other ones it's just kind of thrust upon.
It'd be the equivalent of me, all of a sudden
being being able to be Michael Jordan and well even better. Yet,
if I was given a billion dollars tomorrow, I don't
know how I would deal with that because I'm not
prepared intellectually, maybe emotionally, maybe spiritually on what that kind
of responsibility and energy coming towards me in a life
I would be able to deal with. Where you give
that to Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos, that's just a
Saturday morning for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean there was a time when I was
younger where I felt I had one foot more in
another world than this one. I was starting to lose
my perception of myself as being part of this world,
and I was like floating off into the wherever. Yeah,
and I felt very detached from from, you know, from
this world if I I'm often wondered if I had
died at that time, I might not have even noticed it.
And I tried. It got to a point where its
too very difficult to operate. Uh. And I think that
the whole trick to this thing is you have to
operate within the material world. I mean I never subscribed
to that as set ascetic asthetic, not aesthetic but a
s c e. T. I see, you know, the monastic
kind of existence where you just go off in a
cave and you know, you meditate. So I mean, to me,
the whole idea is you take that consciousness, but you
use it within this world. You use it for something,
you use it within this world. So I never really
understood that kind of you know, monastic thing, at least
not for any great period of time. Because to me,
you know, I feel that human beings are the fingers
of God touching the face of this world, and that
our task is to spiritualize the material and bring the
experience of the material back to spirit. It's like a
two way communication. You know what, Higher consciousness gets the
experience that it couldn't have of being in physical form
through us. But by the same token we when we
become more enlightened, we can handle this world in a
more spiritual way and raise the vibration of this world.
So human beings are actually a very important bridge between
consciousness and matter, and that's a much more exalted position
than what Judeo Christianity has left us with as a
human beings. Is these kind of lowly you know, separate
pinocchios running around here trying to get back in God's
good grace.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it was just what Jesus said. I mean,
everything I could do, you could do in more the
Kingdom of Heaven is within you. But these have been
all bastardized by the powers that be for control purposes,
to control the public. Because if I tell you that, like, oh,
you have all the power to talk to God, well
why do you need me?
Speaker 2: So you see what you just described. What you just
described was gnosticism and the fall of gnosticism. The original
mystical Christian message was just as you described it, and
it was bastardized there were two streams of Christianity. Okay,
there was the inner mystical Church, and then there was
the outer church, the Church of the Platitudes, the Beatitudes,
the mass consumption church. And we know that for a fact,
that's not speculation because in the Bible it says that
unto the disciples he gave the keys to the Kingdom
of Heaven, but unto those without he spoken parables. And
we have further evidence of that in the writings of
the early church fathers, so Clement of Alexandria and Origin,
who were both early Christian bishops of Alexandria, which was
a major Christian center at that time, Alexander, the Greek
city of Alexandria and Egypt, affirmed that Jesus had an
inner mystical teaching that was not taught to the masses
because they would not be most of them wouldn't be
able to understand it. So there was a mystical church
right from the very beginning. And if you read the
Gnostic Gospels, what you're seeing is what the original Jesus
was teaching. Uh. What what happened? What happened, unfortunately, was
that just as you said, uh, the outer Church, which
had a lesser understanding, started dogmatizing and codifying and you know,
messing around with the mystical teachings, and they twisted it
in such a way as to create a hierarchy of
power of bishops, of priests, of bishops, and everything else.
Of course, the Gnostics said, well you need that. You know,
the Church is not an intercessor between us and God.
We have a direct line of communication if we you know,
we're but aware of it, we can have a direct
line of communication. We don't need all the all the
you know, all this whole circumstance. Yeah, and you know,
you interposing yourself between us and God. Of course, that
was a major threat to the developing Orthodox Church, and
eventually they had to eradicate the mystics, so we lost
We could have been as advanced in our spiritual understanding
as some Hindu thinking in the West, but we lost
that with the eradication of the Gnostics, and we lost
that with the eradication of our Judaeo Christian mystical tradition.
Speaker 1: That's something I've always wondered because in the Hindu tradition,
the mystics and the mystical aspects of it has been
around thousands of years and pretty in there. It wasn't
really just a touch too much, but there is I've
heard rumors, but I've heard rumblings of the mystic the
mystics in Judaism, you know, the and and also in
christian and Christianity, but not as much in Christianity as
it was the mystics in Judaism. But it is something
that is really just kind of stampered down and put
into the back room and not allowed to come up.
But it is there without question.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, So so yeah, you really hit on something here.
So take the three Abrahamic religions, is Christianity, Islam. Okay,
Judaism had the Kabbalah, Christianity had the Gnostics, and Islam
had the Sufis. So those three, those three, the Sufis,
the Gnostics, and the Kabbalists were the mystical traditions, the
inner core or mystical traditions of each of their outward religions,
and in fact, they had more in common with one
another than they had with their own outward traditions. Okay,
the Sufis, the Gnostics, and the Kabbalists were pretty much
saying the same thing that I've described to you here.
What I described as Nastisism, you know, could easily be
interchangeable with Islamic Sufhism or Judaic Kabbalism.
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Speaker 2: So the Christian tradition, though, was much more suppressed, and
that's why you don't hear as much from them. You know.
Somehow the Kabbalah was able to you know, survive, and
the the Sufis were able to survive into the modern age.
But the Catholic Church did an incredible job with Rollman
efficiency of eradicating the mystical tradition, and that's why you
don't hear as much about it. But the Gnostic Gospels,
there was a big find in nineteen forty five, the
same year that the atomic bomb came into his existence.
And I do not think this is a coincidence that
they found a major case of the Gnostic Gospels, and
for the first time we were able to hear the
voices of the Gnostic masters, whereas prior to that primarily
we had to understand the Gnostics through the writings of
their enemies. The church fathers describing them. So, you know, gnosticism,
Gnosticism is making its way back into the mainstream. You know,
I'm not the only one who writes about gnosticism. There's
a lot of scholars out there, Elaine Pagel's, Paguel's and
Stephen Haller. You know, there's a lot of people out
there that write about gnosticism. In fact, if you google
it or you go to Amazon Books, I'm sure you'll
find scores of books on gnosticism. But the Gnostic wisdom
is coming back into the mainstream to our benefit.
Speaker 1: And I mean it was the Roman and the Roman
Catholic Church. And by the way, plase forgive me. When
I went to Italy and I went to Vatican City,
at that one moment I realized all my life I
was raised a Roman Catholic. I was like, oh my god.
I never connected Rome with Catholicism. I just never connected
to me, like, oh my God, it was Constantine. It
was a Roman emperor who set all this up and
started in the Council of Nice and all this kind
of stuff and getting rid of a lot of the
Gnostic text and getting rid of all the mystical stuff,
and God forbid, reincarnation is in there, and all that
kind of stuff was pulled out. It is something that
is that information is slowly starting to seep its way
back into the mainstream because of shows like this, because
of the freedom of information that we have now with
the Internet. And I also don't believe that that's an
accident that it's happening at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty accurate what you described. So essentially,
Constantine saw a way to unify the Roman Empire, which
was fragmenting socially and politically, and he saw the religion
as a tool to do that. And what way to
snap people online better than you know, to religiously, I mean,
you make fanatics out of them. So yeah, that had
a lot to do with it. And the consuls that
happened afterwards, you know, the Chalcedon and Icea and everything else,
started to describe what it meant to be unorthodox Christian
Orthodox meaning right thinking in Greek. Okay, so you had
the Orthodox Catholic Church back in those days. I mean
they eventually they separated into the Eastern Roman Empire became
Orthodox in the Western Roman Empire was Catholic, but originally
they were Orthodox Catholic h And yeah, they the very
word itself, orthodox means right thinking. Heretic means someone who
ain't thinking right.
Speaker 1: You and I, sir. You and I, sir are heretics, obviously.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The heretics actually were the ones who kind of
had the you know, we're kind of really clued in. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: It's it is fascinating how this is all coming. Do
you believe that that the that there is a conscious
awakening and consciousness of humanity, even though there is all
this insanity happening in the world, that there is this
kind of shift in opening and awakening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think a lot of it has to
do with a recognition of the sacred femine. I mean,
look years ago, a couple of decades ago, when I
go to consciousness gatherings like Whole Life Expo or you know,
any of these consciousnesses, Yeah, it would be like to
you know, they be two hundred people that are going
be one hundred and ninety nine women in me and
now you go to these and it's pretty much equal.
And I think what's happening is that things kind of
cycle around, and the feminine principle of life has a
lot to do with relying on intuition and feeling as
opposed to rational, analytic and logical. So we've been in
that rational, analytical and logical mind state for many, you know,
centuries now, and I think that people are starting to
understand that subjective consciousness is probably even more important gateway
to understanding reality than science is. But let me just
say they're equal, Okay, at the very least they're equal.
You can approach reality from a scientific standpoint, which takes
a look at nature and then kind of works its
way up, or you can approach it from a subjective standpoint,
which is getting insights and intuition that come from the
top and then working your way down and eventually they
meet in the in the middle somewhere. So metaphysics to
me is just as important as physics itself, as quantum physics.
And you know, you have a left brain in a
right brain, right, okay, So the right brain is your
more intuitive and feeling nature where it resides, and in
the left brain it's more analytical and logical. I think
what's happening now is people are becoming more balanced. So
instead of being one or the other, I think we're
becoming both. And in fact, the psychologist Carl Jung said
exactly that when you you know, you merge that left
brain and right brain, that's when you become an actualized being. Well,
that's the same thing that Jesus said in the Gnostic Gospels.
He said, when the male becomes the female and the
female becomes the male, and the two become one, then
you will move. Then you will realize the kingdom Hem,
and then you will move mountains.
Speaker 1: Now, Peter, I'm gonna ask you a few questions, ask
all my guests, what is your definition of living a
fulfilled life?
Speaker 2: Well, I think something that makes you feel good. I
think doing something that that that that makes you feel worthwhile, helpful,
in service to others, performing something that a task that
is transcends yourself. Uh. And that has a lot to
do with, you know, being of service to others. I mean,
you know, I mean honestly, what I'm doing now being
on your show and everything takes away from my business life, Okay,
but I'm happy to do that because I feel, you know,
I'm what I'm trying to do is help other people
get to the point where they have this these experiences
with higher or extraordinary consciousness, because then I believe they
become better human beings. I believe it helps their their
lives out and so that's why, you know, that's why
I do this. So for me, you know, that's that's fulfilling.
If I were simply going about business and earning money
all the time, well that would be great. There's nothing
wrong with money, let me tell you, But that would
not be for me, not be a fulfilled life.
Speaker 1: If you can go back in time and talk to
little Peter, what advice would you give him?
Speaker 2: You know, I I think I would probably have said,
be a little bit more at ease with the world.
I always felt when I was young, a sense of alienation,
that that something was wrong here that I didn't I
didn't really fit in, that that they had to be
way more than what you know I was. I was,
I was feeling, and and it really, in some way,
in some ways that was good because maybe maybe that's
what was my spark, you know, that led me on
to this, I mean, or maybe that was the early
indication of where my later life would had. Was this
feeling of alienation or something else is going on here,
And emotionally I probably would have said ease up a
little bit you know, don't let it worry you so much,
you know, don't be so don't don't be so concerned
about it. Just go with the flow and we'll let it,
let it unfold itself. I probably would have said, Yeah,
that's what I probably would have told myself.
Speaker 1: How do you define God or source energy?
Speaker 2: Consciousness? Consciousness that expresses itself through the vehicle of light
and light is a conveys intelligence, you know, and intelligence
means intention. So really there is information that is encoded
in light energy, just the same way that DNA encodes
the information that shapes our body. I believe that light
energy encodes the information that shapes our world, It shapes
our universe, that shapes creation. So that God essentially is
that consciousness that conveys itself through those mediums.
Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 2: Like I think I said it before, I think the
ultimate purpose of life is to as human beings, is
to spiritualize the material, bring the experience of the material
back to spirit.
Speaker 1: And where can people find out more about you and
the work that you're doing. We'll be right back after
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the best place to go is uh
my website Petercanova dot com. That's p E T E
r c A n O v A dot com. Uh.
It tells about my works, the trilogy that I mentioned
and my my new book, Quantum Spirituality, which incidentally the first.
My publisher just entered it the first of a number
of book contests, the American Book Fest. They entered it
in four categories and at one in all four categories.
So it's a it's a it's a real it's a
real dot connector. I mean, it encompasses quantum physics, the
ancient spirituality, we've been talking about, union psychology. It takes
several different disciplines and correlates them and shows how they're
saying the same thing and giving the same indicators. So
really what it is, it's like our roadmap for people
who are on a spiritual journey, and it kind of
has sign points that indicate things to look at, things
to consider, directions to go and to enhance your spiritual growth.
I cannot tell anybody how to conduct their own spiritual life,
but what I can do is set up an arena
of knowledge and information for them to work in and
then launch themselves off on their own path.
Speaker 1: Peter, it has been a pleasure and honor talking to you,
my friend. It was a very fascinating conversation and hopefully
it's going to help a few souls out there. So
I appreciate you, my friend.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.
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