WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:14.919 What's up barty, people, and welcome to Countdown to Classic, 2 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:23.359 where it's not my opinion that counts but yours. Hey, everyone, 3 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:25.760 welcome back to another episode of Countdown to Classic. It's 4 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:29.160 so lovely to have you all here. And guys, it's 5 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:34.240 basically a new server review here today on the podcast. 6 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:38.560 It's super duper casual. I've just recorded an extended chat 7 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:42.200 amongst about twenty of us in voice chat on day 8 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:45.799 one of the Bronze Beard server launch. Now, as I've 9 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:47.880 said already on the show, a lot of you who 10 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:50.439 are still catching up with past episodes of the show 11 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:53.159 and you've bingered over the last month or whatever might 12 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:55.679 have a bit of whiplash from like whoa, whoa, Josh, 13 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:57.600 what is going on? You guys have just hyped up 14 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:00.719 this Epoch server for the last month. Now you're talking 15 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:05.040 about another private server, Bronzebeard. What's going on? You'll get 16 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:08.959 all the info in the call, guys, but look, basically, Epoch. 17 00:01:09.319 --> 00:01:13.040 I'm recording this on the tenth of October, about a 18 00:01:13.159 --> 00:01:15.760 week after we recorded the call that you'll hear in 19 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:19.959 this episode. And as the guys mentioned, Epoch is going 20 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:22.239 through a bit of an odd period at the moment. 21 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:27.760 To put it euphemistically, people are dropping population wise as 22 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:30.920 they continue to just wait and wait and wait for 23 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:34.760 some form of word from the devs about when the 24 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:39.319 raid content is coming. And it's just been quiet. You know, 25 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:42.120 two weeks ago, we obviously had the announcement of the 26 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:44.799 world bosses coming. That's great, it's good to know that 27 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:48.879 they're alive. Something came out. Countdown got the world first kill. 28 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:52.439 That's wonderful. But it's been cricket since then, and people 29 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:55.840 are still clamoring for a roadmap that has not come yet. 30 00:01:56.519 --> 00:02:01.000 And you know, the server is just getting quiet and quieter, 31 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:04.480 and it's not like the zero players playing, but the 32 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:08.960 guys are reporting you know, fifteen hundred people online at 33 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:12.120 some peak times down to about you know, seven to 34 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:16.199 eight hundred at the lows for oceanic players like myself 35 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:19.360 in the oceanic peak time. It is very very quiet 36 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:23.199 now and very hard to do anything. So what I'm 37 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:27.120 getting at is Countdown still has a strong presence on 38 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:29.599 the server. So like, if you're in the middle of 39 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:33.280 leveling and you're part of Countdown, don't feel discouraged, Like, 40 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:37.240 keep trucking on, get to sixty. We will rate at sixty. 41 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:39.759 We just need them to bloody announce the content and 42 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:43.120 when it's coming. So don't feel like or all of this, 43 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:46.599 you know, time spent on Epoch was for nothing. No, no, no, no. 44 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:51.039 I still adore Epoch, I really truly do. I've been 45 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:52.719 thinking about this a lot over the last couple of 46 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:56.280 days because I've been dabbling with Bronze Beard, and yeah, 47 00:02:56.479 --> 00:02:58.919 I made a purchase on Bronze Beard, bought the starter 48 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:02.479 pack and stuff, and you know, went hard on that 49 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:04.960 for the first two days. I just haven't been able 50 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:07.560 to play much over the last few days because I'm 51 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:11.000 really in the thick of things with university work. I am, 52 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:14.280 you know, turning in all my final assessments. I've got 53 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:16.080 a lot of shit to do over the next couple 54 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:18.439 of weeks irl, So I'm not going to play that 55 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:21.199 much Wow over the next three weeks. But I would 56 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:23.639 be playing more Bronze Beard to see how it goes 57 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:27.400 if I could. But also, I really miss Epoch. I 58 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:30.159 haven't you know, gotten stuck into Epoch in about a week, 59 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:33.759 and I just straight up miss it. I missed my Warlock, 60 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:36.960 I missed the way it plays, and I still have 61 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:41.439 such fond thoughts towards Epoch, and I can't wait for 62 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:43.960 the raid content because I think it's going to be really, 63 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:47.560 really fun. And the Countdown Guild is such an amazing 64 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:51.280 collection of people. The guys were on yesterday they did 65 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:55.159 you know? Krudefs wrote up this beautiful review of a 66 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:59.599 dungeon run with Countdown yesterday with Valder and ran Muster. 67 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:03.159 That just warmed my heart to no end. You know, 68 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:06.000 people are still playing there in terms of Countdown, We've 69 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:08.919 got a big presence there, but outside of Countdown it 70 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:11.639 can get a bit quiet. So just keep all that 71 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:14.400 in mind if you are sort of either thinking about 72 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:17.639 whether you should roll on the Epoch server or whether 73 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:22.319 you're halfway through your leveling journey, guys, don't don't. I 74 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:28.360 still highly recommend if you have the time to experience Epoch, 75 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:31.600 it is I prefer I've thought it long and hard 76 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:34.240 about it. I really do prefer it to what Bronze 77 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:38.959 Beard offers. They're entirely different games, and each to their own. 78 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:42.680 You will massively prefer one over the other depending on 79 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:48.000 your twenty twenty five preferences. I really had more fun 80 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:51.959 in Epoch, Don't get me wrong. I am enjoying Bronze Beard. 81 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:54.480 And there'll be much more to speak on about Bronze 82 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:58.120 Beard in the future, but you'll hear a lot of 83 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:02.040 it in this episode. But whilst I'm having fun on 84 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:06.120 Bronze Beard and enjoying myself, I think if I had 85 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:08.160 to pick between the two, I would say I had 86 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:12.920 more fun on Epoch. The Wonder sixty Journey was quite 87 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:16.600 a bit more fun with what they did with the 88 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:19.319 changes on Epoch. Now, don't get me wrong, Bronze Beard 89 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:22.759 has good stuff too. Everyone keeps saying finding all the 90 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:25.800 shinies out in the open world and exploring is brilliant. 91 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:29.000 On Bronze Beard, I really enjoy that too. But I 92 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:31.959 do think that that what Epoch did with the way 93 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:35.639 they sort of, you know, added new stuff seamlessly into 94 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:40.800 the world and still had that mildly you know, I 95 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:44.240 don't know, like grindy but not stuck in the mud 96 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:47.240 feeling of that Wonder sixty Journey, that really meant a lot. 97 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:50.000 I don't know, it just it resonated more with me 98 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:52.759 when I didn't. I wouldn't have guessed that if you, 99 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:56.560 on paper presented these two options to me and said, 100 00:05:56.560 --> 00:05:58.839 which do you think you'll prefer I probably would have 101 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:03.079 picked Bronze Beard, but in practicality, now having done both, 102 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:05.319 well not done. I'm not finished on Bronzebeard. I'm only 103 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:07.879 level thirty and I've obviously got the sixty on Epoch. 104 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:11.360 Being you know, quite unquote halfway through the journey on 105 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:15.120 Bronze Beard, I easily say that I'm much more enjoyed 106 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.040 than the journey on Epoch, and the dungeon content on 107 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:21.439 Epoch shits on what I'm getting in Bronze Beard. To 108 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:26.319 be blatantly honest with you, so don't get me wrong, 109 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:29.959 this whole episode is about Bronze Beard, and you know, 110 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:32.920 there are a lot of positives, and I'm still playing it. 111 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:35.839 I am still having fun. I'm just saying, you know, 112 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:38.560 sort of proverbial gun to the head, which do you prefer? 113 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:42.279 I would still say I prefer Epoch. But guys, we 114 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:45.839 are in a bit of a weird state right now. 115 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:48.360 It's I was just thinking it's funny that the Countdown 116 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:51.360 community has never been more active than it is right now. 117 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:55.720 For years, when there's actually no Blizzard product that people 118 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:59.600 are really consuming on mass, we're really coalescing around these 119 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:02.439 privates servers and trying to find something to spend our 120 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:05.800 time with. And it's an odd period because people are 121 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:09.000 you know, private server numbers are settling. You know, Epoch's 122 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:11.839 doing what it's doing. We're really waiting on information over there. 123 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:15.040 Bronze Bard's the new kid on the block and all 124 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:17.920 the fresh hype is with it, but that will absolutely 125 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:19.879 die down over the next week or two or three 126 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:22.480 as it did with Epoch. So it'll just be interesting 127 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:24.759 to see where we are in about you know, four 128 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:27.560 to five to six weeks time, when all the dust 129 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:31.120 truly settles, I think then we'll be able to really 130 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:33.800 speak on what the next year looks like for us 131 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:38.399 as classic players gagging for a good classic product to consume. 132 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:41.160 So with all that in mind, guys, please take in 133 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:44.639 this episode. As I said, guys, it's it's super duper casual. 134 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:47.519 I take a bit of a step back, So it's 135 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:51.360 not like your typical Countdown episode where it's you know, 136 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:55.160 journalists Josh firing questions and answers off it at all 137 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:57.560 the different people. It really is much more of a 138 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:00.600 casual game of chat, like how you Gill might sound 139 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:02.680 in voice chat for two hours for a game session 140 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:05.360 just talking shit, so please do bear that in mind. 141 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:08.480 I mainly do that because I really was trying to 142 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:12.800 play Bronze Beard while recording this as well. And typically, 143 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:15.439 you know, that's lazy on my part. They don't always 144 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:19.319 result in necessarily the best episodes because I'm not doing 145 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:22.519 the countdown thing. But it is something a bit different, 146 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:24.800 and like I say, just chill out, have this on 147 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:27.439 in the background. A lot of the that's not to 148 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:29.480 say this episode isn't good. A lot of the guys 149 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.799 have some phenomenal points on the server, but just don't 150 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:35.879 expect me to be in you know, fucking grilling mode. 151 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:38.080 But guys, please do enjoy it and I'll talk to 152 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:45.000 you at the end. Okay, so it's time for another 153 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:48.480 countdown to Classic. And look, I mean a lot has 154 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:51.919 happened this week. This has actually been a far crazier 155 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:55.080 week in the world of Classic than I thought it 156 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:57.679 would be. I'll just give you a little bit of 157 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.240 a quick opening, guys, and then I'm really going to 158 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:04.159 see the microphone over to the crowd, because I was 159 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:06.240 just saying to the guys, I was walking the dogs 160 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:08.960 the other day and I listened back to last week's 161 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:11.559 episode as I usually do as a bit of quality 162 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:14.840 control and also just to really absorb the content more. 163 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:18.919 I don't get to take the conversation in as much 164 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:21.519 as you guys do when i'm recording them live, because 165 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:24.919 I'm juggling so many balls in the air, I'm watching 166 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.399 people's volumes, I'm adjusting so many things for the stream, 167 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:31.519 I'm thinking of the next question. I'm just doing a 168 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:34.039 lot of shit. So I do catch a lot of 169 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:38.120 things later after I've recorded, and I listened back and 170 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:40.240 I get to hear it more as a fan and 171 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:43.200 a listener and go, oh yeah, fuck Merkshield, that was 172 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:45.919 a great point. Oh good stuff, Festige. I wish i'd 173 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:47.960 heard that like more in the moment and I would 174 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:51.039 have followed up with that. And I was just listening 175 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:54.360 and I was like, fuck, Josh, shut up. Like I 176 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:57.080 spoke so much on the last episode, and it was 177 00:09:57.200 --> 00:10:00.120 very ranty and sort of speaking at you guys rather 178 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:02.320 than talking with you guys at the pub like I 179 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:05.360 prefer to do. So don't get me wrong, there's always, 180 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:07.480 you know, a time and a place for a good rant. 181 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:09.720 But I just wouldn't shut the fuck up last episode. 182 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:14.159 So the plan this episode is without sort of completely 183 00:10:14.200 --> 00:10:17.080 taking my hands off the wheel, you know, and sort 184 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:18.919 of just going, oh, you guys, just make content for 185 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:20.799 me while I sit here and record it. No, no, no, 186 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:23.519 I'll be here and I'll be engaging with you guys, 187 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:27.279 But I really want to hear from you guys, the listeners, 188 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:30.399 the people, the engine that makes countdown to Classic rum 189 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:33.879 about the events of the last week. And I'll just 190 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:36.919 give you guys a little primer if you're not sure 191 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:39.759 about what's happened over the last week. So at the 192 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:42.279 top of the last episode, you would have heard me say, hey, guys, 193 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:44.840 by the way, there's a new server, Bronze Beard starting up. 194 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:47.720 I know we've been talking a lot about Epoch over 195 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:49.759 the last six weeks, but we will be checking I 196 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:52.679 will be checking out this server as well. It's another 197 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:55.320 new private server that's come along in this sort of 198 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:58.759 era of the wild wild West of private servers that 199 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:01.120 we are living through right now, when people are trying 200 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:03.759 to fill the void of the lack of a good 201 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:07.039 Blizzard Classic product at the moment, if you're not a 202 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:13.080 Mop enjoyer or you're not an Anniversary enjoyer. So basically, 203 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:17.399 the Ascension team, the people who for what we presume, 204 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:21.000 purchased to Project Epoch when it was going through troubles 205 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:27.279 and host it Now always had their own similar but 206 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:30.519 not product coming out around this time. In terms of 207 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:33.720 their take on a Classic Plus Now, we'll talk with 208 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:36.360 all the guys about whether or not it it fits 209 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:43.799 that Classic Plus mold, But basically it's a it's a 210 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:47.759 more expansive take, to say the least. There's a lot 211 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:50.639 more in this game. It's a little bit wilder. But 212 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.240 I knew nothing of it outside of the ascension was 213 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:56.440 releasing a server. That's all I knew. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 214 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:58.480 Bronze Beyard, Bronze Beard, Yeah yeah, sure, yeah, I know 215 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:01.519 that's coming. Yeah yeah. I had no fucking idea of 216 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:04.879 the content of the server. I did zero fucking research, 217 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:09.639 literally just in the dark, and I, shit you not. 218 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:13.759 About seventy two hours before release, I said, I better 219 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:16.440 check out what this whole Bronze Beard thing is about. 220 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:19.639 And I looked into it, and it's quite like the 221 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:22.639 shock to the senses when you do take in their 222 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:26.159 really informative, really large manifesto on the content of the 223 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:28.480 server on their website. There's a lot to go through, 224 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:32.600 and you know, I seem to have a relatively similar 225 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:34.480 take to many of the guys that I was talking 226 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:37.120 to in the discord, where I was like, hmm, okay, 227 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:38.840 that's that's a lot to take in. But now that 228 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:42.480 I've read it, I do quite like about seventy five 229 00:12:42.519 --> 00:12:46.200 percent of what I've heard. The other twenty five percent, oh, 230 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:48.799 you know, I'm a little bit funny about but fuck it. 231 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:50.759 You know, I'll try anything once. I'll give it a go. 232 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:55.639 And look, it's also got a shop that will be 233 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:57.200 you know, I want to get to that conversation a 234 00:12:57.240 --> 00:13:01.000 little bit later on about the page to win nature 235 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:03.440 of the shop and what constitutes pay to win. You know, 236 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:05.639 I very much so think it's pay to win. I've 237 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:08.799 made no uncertainty about that in the discord over the 238 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:11.679 last few days. It's I just left it as look, 239 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:14.240 this is a this is an argument over how offended 240 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:16.759 you are by these items, as opposed to whether or 241 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:19.519 not they are pay to win in my personal opinion. 242 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:23.320 So that's something to sort of reconcile with when you 243 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:28.039 consider this server. So I jumped online yesterday when it launched, 244 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:30.799 and you know, guys, I need you to know a 245 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:33.519 bit more about me as a player before I sort 246 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:35.279 of start telling you what I think of this server, 247 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:37.279 and I would think you know a bit about me 248 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:39.879 as a player from listening to the show. I'm not 249 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:43.240 averse to many different versions of Wow. You know, I'm 250 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:46.720 not what we have now quote unquote lovingly come to 251 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:49.919 refer to as an errorrist. You know, I'm not a 252 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:55.559 vanilla for life guy. I've enjoyed SOT thoroughly. I enjoyed 253 00:13:55.559 --> 00:13:59.759 twenty nineteen Classic thoroughly. You guys heard. I started dabbling 254 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:03.279 in retail when The War Within came out and Shock 255 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:06.399 and Horror, I kind of enjoyed it. I didn't play, 256 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:10.399 you know, NonStop for the last year, but I have 257 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:12.200 ducked in and out of the War Within and had 258 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:16.480 a good time. I am someone who is open to 259 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:22.639 different MMO interpretations. And I'm not a you know, person 260 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:27.600 who really attacks other people for liking their MMO and 261 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:30.399 not my mmo. You know, I played Final Fantasy fourteen. 262 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:33.879 I just I like playing different MMOs. I'm an MMO guy. 263 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:37.320 That's cool. If it's more modern, like Retail or Final 264 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:39.799 Fantasy fourteen, fuck yeah, I'll check it out and I'll 265 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:42.519 probably have fun. If it's more of a classic style 266 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:46.080 game like your you know, twenty nineteen classics or you 267 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:49.039 know OSRS or things like that. Fuck yeah, I'll try 268 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:51.639 it out. I'm just open to different things, and I 269 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:54.639 have had fun across a multitude of different styles of games. 270 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:57.519 So I think that in and of itself almost makes 271 00:14:57.519 --> 00:14:59.399 me a little bit of a different player in that 272 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:02.240 I I come across a lot of Wow, classic gamers 273 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:06.919 who are very you know, stuck in their ways for 274 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:10.720 the particular game that they like, and it is hard 275 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:13.200 to move the needle for a lot of people, whereas 276 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:15.840 I really am, you know, sort of footloose and fancy free. 277 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:18.320 I'll try anything once, whatever, and I'll probably have fun. 278 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:20.759 There's been very few servers that have come out over 279 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:23.480 the years that I've been like, oh, this is fucking terrible. 280 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:26.639 So I tried Bronze Beard, and you know, we played 281 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:28.360 the first twenty four hours yesterday. I got to like 282 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:32.519 level nineteen and Shock Horror. I had a good time. 283 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:36.360 It's is it like the greatest thing since Slice Spread? No, 284 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:40.480 I would hold back from that. You know, I'm still here. 285 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:42.879 I'm a bit confused because I'm like, how I'm still 286 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:49.000 reconciling my feelings, and you know, I had I had 287 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:52.639 a good time leveling on Bronze Beard, but I also 288 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:55.440 had a fucking great time leveling on Epoch, and I 289 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:57.799 sort of them loathed to sit here and compare the 290 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:01.279 two because they're so different, you know. Now it's sort 291 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:03.519 of like which I have more fun with, and like 292 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:07.320 I really am enjoying both. I don't know if I 293 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:11.080 have like a preference right now twenty four hours in, 294 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:13.399 but that could change with more experience on Bronze Beard. 295 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:17.720 So I'm just here trying it out. And like I 296 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:19.720 said to all you Epoch guys, there's already sort of 297 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:23.480 a split happening with you know, Epoch for Life or no, 298 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:27.320 fuck you, let's try Bronze Beard. Blah blah blah. I 299 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:32.080 don't think that that there's such different games. It is 300 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:34.279 fine to like either one of them. If you are 301 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:36.919 leveling on Epoch and you're enjoying it, stick to that. 302 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:40.440 Trust me, you probably won't like Bronze Beard. If you're 303 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:44.080 really die hard on Epoch, you probably won't like Bronze Beard. 304 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:47.399 If you're really hard, you know, got a massive boner 305 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:50.200 for Bronze Beard, You're probably not gonna like Epoch. It's 306 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:53.320 just perfectly fine to have two very different options out there, 307 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:55.679 and I'm dabbling in both, and we're going to talk 308 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:58.399 about the struggles that Epoch is going through at the 309 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:01.559 moment later on as well. But look, that's a massive 310 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:04.119 rant at the start, just to set you guys up 311 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:06.480 with a bit of information of what's happening. Now. I've 312 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:10.079 barely told you anything about the server Bronze Beard for 313 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:13.039 a reason because now I'm basically going to pass it 314 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:15.039 over to the guys and we're going to talk at 315 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:17.079 the pub. This is all a bunch of mates to 316 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:19.880 shooting the shit casually. We're going to sort of be 317 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:23.119 a little less stuffy than your regular countdown to classic 318 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:26.279 episode and just shoot the shit and talk about what 319 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:28.680 we've experienced over the last twenty four hours on Bronze Beard. 320 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:31.440 And as you hear the guys talk about it, you 321 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:34.279 will get a feel for what content is on this server, 322 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:37.160 because it's a lot to get through, and I'd have 323 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:39.359 to sit here for an hour and go item by 324 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:42.039 item in a rather boring fashion to really explain this 325 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:45.000 server to you. So just pick it up through osmosis 326 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:47.720 as the guys go through it. So guys. Look, there's 327 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:50.240 about fifteen of you here. I thank you so much 328 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:52.440 for sitting there and listening to that ten minute intro. 329 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:54.559 I now get to throw it to you guys and 330 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:58.440 sort of say, Jesus take the wheel, please countdown, listeners, 331 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:03.559 I help me. I only hope drive this episode, and 332 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:06.799 I'll start. I'll throw it out, I'll nominate a name, 333 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:08.519 and then I want you guys to just, you know, 334 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:11.279 really talk amongst yourselves like you were doing before I 335 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:14.240 joined the channel. Merk, If it's okay with you, mate, 336 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:17.720 if I can start with you, and we got introduced 337 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:19.440 to you last week on the show, was such a 338 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:21.839 delight to meet you. We heard the funny story about 339 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:23.359 how we thought you were the head of the Classic 340 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:27.759 team for a while, but not so mate. The easy 341 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:30.279 question that I'll get everyone to answer here for maybe 342 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.599 the opening half an hour is tell me about your 343 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:35.200 first impressions of Bronze Beard. 344 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:42.920 I fucking love it. It's it feels like a wholly 345 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:47.119 different beast. It's not. It's definitely not. 346 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:55.200 It definitely doesn't feel like Classic. Plus it feels way 347 00:18:55.240 --> 00:19:02.119 too that they mean that bad a week It's uh, 348 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:11.200 it feels better. It feels better there, and in that 349 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:13.599 it's more of a finished product. 350 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:14.920 It's not as buggy. 351 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:19.079 It does have This has its issues, and it does 352 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:21.240 have have. 353 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:27.039 It's uh again, but it's not as bad as that's already. 354 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:31.279 But just for what it is, it's a great experience. 355 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:32.440 I love the talents. 356 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:36.240 I love what they did with the starting zones. 357 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:38.759 Sorry I just jump jump a little closer to your microphone. 358 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:41.480 Sorry, man, I'm sorry about that. 359 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:48.799 And mostly I love the difficulty of the dungeons. 360 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:52.039 They are freaking insanely difficult here. 361 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:55.480 If you thought the dungeons on Epoch were challenging, ah, 362 00:19:55.559 --> 00:20:01.519 the dungeons here on bron Hey can I canke buy album? 363 00:20:01.759 --> 00:20:04.559 I agree, I did. We did a couple of dungeons 364 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:09.880 together last night, and you know, I don't want to 365 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:12.960 scare people too much because like it's it's probably not 366 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:14.880 as bad as we're going to make it sound. But 367 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.079 I mean we were joking at the end that RFC 368 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:21.960 was like a raid. It just kicked. Oh, it kicked 369 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:24.279 our fucking asses. And then like we did it, we 370 00:20:24.319 --> 00:20:27.880 did a raise a fen downs afterwards that was blatantly 371 00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:31.640 easier and but like still challenging, but blatantly easier, and 372 00:20:31.640 --> 00:20:33.759 we're like, I mean, maybe that's the scaling for you. 373 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:36.759 And RFC is the first dungeon. It's just really wonky. 374 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:39.519 But fuck I was tanking RC and I got my 375 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.759 ass handed to me. Like we got through it, but 376 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:46.240 they hit so fucking hard and we were like, this 377 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:49.960 is the first dungeon of the game. Is a pug killer. 378 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:55.079 I'm actually in it right now, you know, right now? 379 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:56.480 How's it going? Tell us how it's going? 380 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:00.920 Ah, So it's so good. It's it's play slower pace 381 00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:05.720 than what Classic, like Classic nineteen felt like. If you 382 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:09.279 can't just face roll it, there's definitely new abilities that 383 00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:12.039 will catch you off guard if you're not paying attention. 384 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:15.359 I caught the tail end of a BFD on my 385 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:17.880 first dungeon queue, so that was kind of fun just 386 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:19.880 to see some of the changes already on That made 387 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:23.720 me want to play so od rate again. But yeah, 388 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:28.200 I mean Classic plus is such a hard, a hard 389 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:30.759 beast of tackle because no, there's no one thing set 390 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:35.279 in stone as to what it needs to be. You know, 391 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:39.119 the Rapha lich King talents just rounding out classes and 392 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:42.480 making every class viable in some way, like that's enough 393 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:45.039 to make Classic plus, like Classic plus if you just 394 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:47.519 added talents that make the classes more viable, and some 395 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:51.119 people might call that good. You know, I'm enjoying finding 396 00:21:51.160 --> 00:21:53.279 all these cool little knick knacks around the world that 397 00:21:53.720 --> 00:21:57.599 are either just cool transmogs or you know, I found 398 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:02.319 a Mason Terrace fog lades that as a powered in 399 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:06.400 was super rep at level eight. You know, just snagging 400 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:09.279 this cool weapon that had some haste on it and 401 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:11.319 some spell power at level eight, you just feel like 402 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:14.839 a freaking beast. But you're still not just like grabbing 403 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:17.240 seven mobs and face rolling through everything, like you still 404 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:19.119 got to be smart about what you're doing. And it's 405 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:20.119 it's fun so far. 406 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:22.200 If we can talk about that for a little bit, 407 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:24.160 I'd love to hear from other people, Like I'll just 408 00:22:24.200 --> 00:22:27.079 say my piece real quick in terms of I completely agree, 409 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:33.039 like the fucking the best part of the server for 410 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:35.119 me so far. I know, Murky, you probably would think 411 00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:36.880 you've already said the best part of the server is 412 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:39.759 the dungeon difficulty. That's great, it is very engaging. The 413 00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:42.960 best part for me, I completely free, like right there 414 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:46.920 with Vile. The amount of shit that you find in 415 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:51.319 the open world. It is the SOD System on Drugs 416 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:53.319 in terms of you know, obviously in SOD you would 417 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:55.200 have to go out in the open world and find 418 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:58.480 your ruins, and you really needed these ruins to empower 419 00:22:58.559 --> 00:23:01.960 your abilities and power up your character. But you know, 420 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:03.559 at the end of the day, there were only so 421 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.319 many runs to find. There went like that many. In 422 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:11.119 this version of you know, Classic plus the Ascension is 423 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:15.680 putting forward. Now they've got about forty or fifty things 424 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:18.079 per zone that you can go out and find. Now, 425 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:21.400 when I say things, I don't mean like ruins, like 426 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:24.440 you know, power ups for your class. They are there, 427 00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:27.440 but it's like you said, there's just green items floating everywhere, 428 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:30.559 and you are so encouraged to go and look in 429 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:34.759 every fucking nook and cranny in the open world. If 430 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:38.119 you walk by a building, my fucking god, you better 431 00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:40.240 walk inside that building to have a look if there's 432 00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:42.799 something hanging on the walls that's glowing, because it could 433 00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:46.839 be a really fucking cool power up for you, an upgrade. 434 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:50.599 You know, there could be a blue weapon sitting right 435 00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:52.759 there on the wall for you to just easily take 436 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:55.880 no fight or anything, just oh, I found something that 437 00:23:55.960 --> 00:24:00.480 will improve my character and that exploration aspect is really 438 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:03.799 been pumped up on this surban. For me, it's easily 439 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:07.640 the number one point about it. I have fucking loved it. 440 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:10.759 I've really enjoyed it because there's it's not just one 441 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:14.359 or two things, like they're shit everywhere. And granted, look, 442 00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:16.960 there is a downside to this too in terms of 443 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:21.279 people saying it waters down the feeling of you know, 444 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:24.839 hooray I found an upgrade. You know that people obviously 445 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:28.759 really had accentuated in hardcore where you know, you upgrades 446 00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:30.960 a few and far between, and when you get an upgrade, 447 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:34.400 it feels so impactful because you're like, fuck, yeah, yeah, 448 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:37.200 that that is watered down to an extent here for sure, 449 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:40.799 Like you do upgrade your weapon fairly consistently, like people 450 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:42.319 are saying, And it happened to me too, The fuck 451 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:46.079 I changed my weapon five times in the starting zone. Yeah, absolutely, 452 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:48.680 But I don't know, I still found it really fun 453 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:51.799 to continue to find new shit. What do you guys 454 00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:55.160 think about this exploration aspect and how has it impacted 455 00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:58.440 you and your enjoyment or do you not like it? 456 00:24:58.599 --> 00:25:01.200 I think it's a great I mean it's it's a 457 00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:04.319 whole new dynamic to the game. Yeah, it gives you 458 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:05.480 something extra to do. 459 00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:08.920 I literally went in the cave and the barren, sorry 460 00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:11.480 that I haven't been into since original Vanilla, because it 461 00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:14.359 literally just goes to the end and there's some NPCs mining, 462 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:18.000 and I found a one headed weapon to throw on 463 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:20.559 form my tank and shield. I was like, I haven't 464 00:25:20.599 --> 00:25:22.559 been in here since Vanilla. I'm gonna go in there 465 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:24.519 and sit it through in there, And it was as 466 00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:26.599 simple as that. Walk down, there's some guys mining, and 467 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:28.119 I grabbed the weapon and walked out. 468 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:32.759 But then you also you're encouraged to because like you're 469 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:35.480 you're like you're I keep calling them runs, but you know, 470 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:38.160 on this serve they called mystical enchantments, but I mean, fuck, 471 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:40.480 I don't know, maybe I'll just call them ruins for aes. 472 00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:44.519 I don't know, but that the spell power ups are 473 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:47.720 in the open world as well, So like you, it's 474 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:50.079 it's even if you've got all the best ski, you're 475 00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:52.359 still encouraged to go and look around because you need 476 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:55.200 these fucking these mystical enchantments or ruins. 477 00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:58.519 Oh absolutely. And the other thing too is you know, 478 00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:02.799 while you're out and about, there's new right, new rare 479 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:05.880 mobs too, like easy and I were out and about 480 00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:10.519 in Baron's uh yeh last night and ran across a 481 00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:11.880 crazy druid. 482 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:15.920 That well to push your pushed your in. 483 00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:19.480 Yeah, it pretty much bent me over. It took me 484 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:24.839 for a ride, like the it's the red all the. 485 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:26.839 Well. 486 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:29.519 Here's the thing though, too, is it dropped a mystool 487 00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:32.519 and chat, you know, and it happens to be a 488 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:35.240 mystican chant that would be good for feral druids. So 489 00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:39.519 I mean you're you're not just looking at like you said, 490 00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:43.359 weapons and armor and all that stuff too. Hell, when 491 00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:47.000 you first start in the starting zone, there's water, there's 492 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:50.680 food sitting there. It's a tin slot bag. There's a 493 00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:53.079 tin slot bag. Yeah, there's a bag that drops off 494 00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:59.880 of damn near request. Yeah. The porn it is it definitely. 495 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:05.039 I mean you you know, all the rpers out there 496 00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:08.480 are probably gonna go, oh, well that doesn't make any sense, 497 00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:09.200 But that's fine. 498 00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:11.559 I think they went a bit nuts with the bags. 499 00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:14.359 Like it gets to a point where it's it's like 500 00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:18.640 at first it's interesting and you go oh sweet about 501 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:20.680 oh fuck yeah bag oh another bag? 502 00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:21.000 Fuck? 503 00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:25.480 Yes, this is amazing and then it quickly turns to yeah, okay, 504 00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:28.759 I've got enough bags, thanks quest givers, like that's enough 505 00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:31.759 for now, and then it turns into like, guys seriously 506 00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:33.440 like fuck off with the bags? 507 00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:35.519 Yeah for something? 508 00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:39.839 Yeah, yeah, you just get so many of them. 509 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:44.319 Yeah, now has better bags than my level forty nine 510 00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:49.119 and yeah an amount which I mean you get basically 511 00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:52.119 for free. There's no challenge. It's just like, hey, mount 512 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:52.559 and you're like. 513 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:54.599 Oh, okay, yeah, so there'll be a lot of people 514 00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:56.880 not knowing what you're talking about. Anti explain it and 515 00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:58.880 tell us what you guys think of it. Yes, you're 516 00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:02.079 correct basically, So like if you're an orc or troll, 517 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.880 as soon as you get to Sensient Village, here's a 518 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.480 free mount, a forty percent mount that you can now 519 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.519 ride around the world. This is a really big line 520 00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:15.240 in the sand for some people. Look, I get that 521 00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:20.000 it's odd. It doesn't make me like overly upset, but 522 00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:23.240 I understand why it would make other people upset. Auntie, 523 00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:23.720 how did. 524 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:24.400 You feel about it? 525 00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:25.920 And then I want to hear how the other guys 526 00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:26.559 think about it. 527 00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:29.359 You know, it's so crazy. I literally just log back 528 00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:31.960 into Epoch and snakes literally flog back in here, and 529 00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:35.279 it's like this place just first, so much better. It's basically, 530 00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:37.279 and he said it, he summed it up, is click 531 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.920 here for your reward, and it's exactly that. Oh I 532 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:42.720 found something on the ground. I've brought a new weapon. 533 00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:45.440 I've changed that six times in the last thirty minutes 534 00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.599 because I keep finding new things. Here's in your reward. 535 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:51.519 Here's a new thing. It's a flashy, flashy in front 536 00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:53.640 of your face. You know, I don't want that. I 537 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:56.960 don't want to be just haind fed stuff. Oh my god, 538 00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:00.440 my inventory is now filled with bags and my big bag. 539 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:04.359 Yeah, I have got so much shit beat. 540 00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:07.799 Yeah, I think it's it's I think there's a there's 541 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:10.519 a middle ground between having to wait through a mount 542 00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:11.720 and forty and getting it at. 543 00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:12.200 The level five. 544 00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:16.119 I don't think necessarily the Epoch way is the right way, 545 00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:18.480 but I don't think the level of five mountain is 546 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:18.920 the right way. 547 00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:20.240 Yeah. 548 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:23.720 It just feels like it is literally playing on the 549 00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:27.279 biggest dopamine rush of your life. Like everyone plays it 550 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:29.559 because we all like flashy things, and we like a 551 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:33.200 dopamine hit. Beaten flashy things and that thing. Oh, it 552 00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.160 is playing on that card, like it's it's not tripling 553 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:39.279 down on that card, it's just taking that card and 554 00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:41.880 just basically throwing the deck in your face and then 555 00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:44.119 just like you are gonna have the dope hit of 556 00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:46.440 a lifetime if you like clicking on things and getting 557 00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:46.960 free shit. 558 00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:55.119 Yeah. I tried to log in just now and I 559 00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:56.880 was like, oh, this is not for me. 560 00:29:57.519 --> 00:29:57.960 Fair enough. 561 00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:00.480 Now I'm out, and that's fine, snack. We'll come back 562 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:02.319 to you, because I do want to hear more about it, 563 00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:05.200 you know, I don't. I want to hear the constructive 564 00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:08.480 positives and the constructive negatives for sure, because. 565 00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:12.400 I mean, it's a confusing because I by no means 566 00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:15.079 think that it's like just doom and gloom, because I 567 00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:17.720 think there are a lot of cool things I really enjoyed, 568 00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:22.880 like the exploration part that's already been mentioned, that you 569 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:25.400 like find these cool items here and there. But the 570 00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:27.640 issue is that, like I feel like all the cool 571 00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:29.640 things that they do, they just do way too much. 572 00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:32.440 If they did it but in a smaller scale, it 573 00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:33.319 would be so much. 574 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:35.799 Better that that. 575 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:36.480 Exactly. 576 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:42.079 Yeah, I agree, all right now that you fucking said something, 577 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:44.799 we're going to throw you in for you your virgin run. 578 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:46.200 Yeah, here he is. 579 00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:48.839 He's all stretched up, he's ready to put some impact 580 00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:51.880 off the bench. He's made in cap On countdown, the classic. 581 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:54.240 Come on mate, come on cam see, let's do it. 582 00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.200 I've been getting more involved. I've been hanging out with 583 00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:00.880 the boys more. It's been really fun. And yeah, I 584 00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.960 got to I was really loving Epoch. I got to 585 00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:08.759 fifty five, had my sharma going, got Jill Speck and 586 00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:11.039 it was great. And then now that I've started this, 587 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:13.079 I'm kind of just like, I don't know if I 588 00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:16.559 could go back that it's it's I was at level 589 00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:19.559 fifty five on my enhancement Sharman and my rotation was 590 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:24.799 flame Shock, you know, storm Strike, water Shield and that 591 00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:27.480 that's pretty much it. You put your tones down, then 592 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:30.680 you've got three buttons and then I'm level twelve now 593 00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:33.799 and I've got you know, almost the same amount, and 594 00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:36.480 I can just tell it's going to be, you know, 595 00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:40.039 a lot more going on. And I completely agree it's 596 00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:44.240 this thing's full on. And if I just imagine this 597 00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:46.960 sweet spot between Epoch and this and that'd be you know, 598 00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:49.519 my jam. But like on Epoch, the thought of starting 599 00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.160 and all is just like I'm not. I'm not doing that, 600 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:55.559 Like that's going to take fucking ages. But on here, 601 00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:57.400 I'm like, oh, I could try this other thing and 602 00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:00.119 I'll get up to the level ten really quick and 603 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:02.119 you know, I'll be able to get around and it's 604 00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:05.160 just fun like this is this is more my jam, 605 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:09.920 to be honest, and it's just yeah, Epoch's great, but 606 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:14.079 it's very much, very very close to Vanilla, and I 607 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.519 think I've just had my fair share of that kind 608 00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:20.559 of thing. This still feels like you're in azaoth. That's 609 00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:24.559 the number one most important thing for me for like 610 00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:29.200 a C plus and but otherwise I'm I'm I'm all 611 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:33.359 in for like extra stuff, a bit more, you know, 612 00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:39.079 a bit faster leveling and yeah, so just sort of 613 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:41.359 rambling it at this stage, but yeah, I'm enjoying it. 614 00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:46.799 No, maybe you did rambled like a veteran. I appreciated it. Guys, 615 00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:49.759 do anything that Campsey said there resonate with any of you. 616 00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.440 Can I just jump in and touch on the talk 617 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:58.039 about the dopamine, Yeah, go for it. Also, by the way, 618 00:32:58.279 --> 00:32:59.519 near here, thank you for having me. 619 00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:00.960 Yeah. 620 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:02.960 No, I just wanted to jump in and say, like 621 00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:08.400 being somebody that has really enjoyed the server and is 622 00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:12.240 pretty positive about it. I will say kind of the 623 00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:18.599 overload of dopamine almost takes away from it because I 624 00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:20.119 feel like part of the fun that we all enjoy 625 00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:23.079 is when you get an upgrade, you're like, oh, man, 626 00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:26.119 I got this fucking awesome weapon. It feels really good. 627 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:28.920 They kind of pushed it a little bit too far 628 00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:32.400 here for me because you don't really get the dopamine anymore. 629 00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:39.759 Yeah, And I would say yes or no, because it 630 00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:42.039 also depends what you're playing, Like as a powad in 631 00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.680 everything behind is always useful, like I'm the rest, I'm 632 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:47.400 only looking for two handers. 633 00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:49.480 Yeahs now, you know. 634 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.759 And I've been playing actually some Guild Wars two last 635 00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:55.480 couple of months for the first time. And something I 636 00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:59.200 realized in playing that Verus Classic is like, there are 637 00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:03.000 certain things things that in Classic kind of keep you 638 00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:06.480 from playing the game, you know, getting it getting him 639 00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:09.199 out early makes me not go, God, damn it, I've 640 00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:11.760 got to run all the way to town, go down 641 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:13.440 there just to turn in one quest, to run all 642 00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:15.559 the way back. I'm like, sweet, it'll take me no 643 00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:17.199 time at all to run in there, turn in this 644 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:19.559 quest in under city, go back up and then go 645 00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.159 back out to the lake and back again four times. 646 00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:26.320 Like running between point A and point B isn't playing 647 00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:28.559 the game if you've never been in the world, if 648 00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:29.960 you've been in the world as much as we have, 649 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:34.599 it's just tedious. And some of these things like yeah, 650 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:36.960 getting it. Maybe maybe make it a little harder, Maybe 651 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:39.440 make a level ten, not just here you go free 652 00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:43.239 at five, but letting people play the game because they 653 00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.760 can actually get around, you're not just wasting time AFK 654 00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:48.719 walk hero Like it's huge for me. 655 00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:50.719 I'll just jump in at this point and just say 656 00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:54.440 on that point, vile. I hear what you're saying, and 657 00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:57.880 I'm like mostly with you, don't get me wrong, but 658 00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.280 I also have to take the time, have a little 659 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:04.039 bit of and please don't take this long the wrong way. 660 00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:06.079 I do laugh a little bit when I hear it, 661 00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:09.239 because I'm like, hang on, we've heard this song and 662 00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:12.920 dance before, because you know, and we've gone this way 663 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.599 with sod and everything. Where where when people say, you know, 664 00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:19.039 why can't we go a little bit faster, why can't 665 00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:21.960 we do things a little bit differently? All the errorsts 666 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:25.519 would generally point to statements like that and go, mate, 667 00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:28.920 that's exactly how we wound up with retail. Do you 668 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:32.599 sort of see the fun side of it where we 669 00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:35.679 do start to want a little bit more out of 670 00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:38.960 the game and people do pull out. Obviously the slippery 671 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:41.400 slope argument of like you wake up the next moment 672 00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:42.639 you're in retail. 673 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:43.880 You see. 674 00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:45.840 Can I add something about. 675 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:54.079 Yeah, you go now, hello, I seem to remember you. 676 00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:55.719 You're a guy that used to call in the countdown 677 00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:56.679 to classic. 678 00:35:57.360 --> 00:35:58.360 Yeah every now and then? 679 00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:02.840 How are you, mate, tasty grain everyone? 680 00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:03.599 Hey Hello. 681 00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:07.639 I thought that that was like a pretty interesting kind 682 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.280 of like perspective, But I feel like the context of 683 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:15.559 it being on a private server is like pretty important. 684 00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:15.280 You know. 685 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:17.480 I think it's cool that these private serves exist and 686 00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:19.719 that we can kind of like examine the environments where 687 00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:21.639 it's like we kind of take all the guardrails off 688 00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:23.760 and like, you know, like you said, it sounded like 689 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.719 you're getting your mound at ten or something like that. 690 00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:28.639 But I think that if you ask people if that's 691 00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:31.079 what they would want from like an official Blizzard release, 692 00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:35.800 there would be like more reservation. So I don't think 693 00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:38.519 that it's exactly like an endorsement of like the slippery 694 00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:40.400 slope of like how you get to retail. I think 695 00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:46.880 it's like I would imagine that sorry, what was his name, Adam? Yeah, 696 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.400 I imagine that he's just like enjoying the fact that, 697 00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:52.480 like we're we're getting to see a like realized version 698 00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:56.320 of like like you said, you know, the nostalgia is 699 00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:58.840 like wearing off with classic, right, so you're like, uh, 700 00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:00.920 some of the things that you love before starting to 701 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:03.440 become tedious. So I think you're just like enjoying the 702 00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.400 fact that you know, there's a developer now that can, 703 00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.840 like with zero cost to the reputation of the original game, 704 00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:12.639 you know, give you this experience that's like yeah, man, 705 00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:15.639 just like get in there and just like me in 706 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:17.760 like you guys were saying and stuff like that, like 707 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:19.119 have it pushed at eleven? 708 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:24.360 You said something there that is interesting to me And sorry, guys, 709 00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:26.559 we're going to go on a million tangents during this one, 710 00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:30.400 I think. But I have also been thinking over the 711 00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:32.199 last twenty four hours. I'd love to see if you 712 00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:34.719 guys have been having the same thought, because it sounds 713 00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:39.920 like you probably have. You know, imagine if Blizzard released 714 00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:44.119 this server as is everything shop and all same content. 715 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:48.079 Here's the next game brought to you by Blizzard. The 716 00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:51.280 I think it's fair to say the reactions would be 717 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:54.519 excessively different, is that Camcy? You reckon? 718 00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:55.719 Hey? 719 00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:58.280 I'm loving the server, but if Blizzard released this thing, 720 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:00.360 I'd be fucking like, what a do it? 721 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:00.679 Okay? 722 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:00.960 Why? 723 00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:04.280 Why why do we hold different standards for I know 724 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.960 the answer, private server developers versus Blizzard. 725 00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:11.719 I mean, that's good. That's a really good question. I 726 00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.239 don't know quite how to answer it exactly, but it's 727 00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.920 just a bit too it's just a bit too wild. 728 00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:21.360 And you know you're in the starting zone and someone's 729 00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:24.159 on a Ragnaros mount or what have you, and it's 730 00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:27.639 just like you can't put your pit. You can't say 731 00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:30.119 exactly why, but you're just like, no, that that can't 732 00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:32.760 can't be in the in the official version. 733 00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:36.679 But the answer is very easy, isn't it. It's that's 734 00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:40.079 because they don't have a sub so they have to 735 00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:43.159 have some form of revie revenue, right, so they put 736 00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:44.519 the cash up into everything. 737 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:45.679 So sure. 738 00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.119 Do you think the lack of no, no, you go 739 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:53.639 you more interesting? Trust me. 740 00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:58.360 Just gonna like I'm if that if people paying for 741 00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.480 mounts makes my experience. It's free and I can enjoy 742 00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:04.079 the pots that I like. Then I'm like, that's that's 743 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:09.280 all good. Yeah this if I'm paying, it's a different story. 744 00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:12.960 Like somehow, this also has the context that's like Blizzard saying, Okay, 745 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:16.320 everything that you've earned in retail, you can now vanity 746 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:20.440 over the classic. And that's where I think part of 747 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.480 maybe some of the bad taste is all the long 748 00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:26.960 time Ascension players are able to take all these crazy 749 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:29.360 and wonky things and introduce it into a world where 750 00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:30.599 they don't exist. 751 00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:32.039 Now, if this. 752 00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:35.079 Server launched fresh, where you know, we're gonna have all 753 00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:36.920 these cool things and you've got to go find them 754 00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:38.840 and unlock them for yourself, and it was within that 755 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:40.960 context of that world only, I think it might have 756 00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:43.440 a different a little bit of a different flavor to 757 00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:47.440 it too, if that makes any sense. You know you're 758 00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:49.320 gonna have everyone starting off with that basic mount. You're 759 00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:51.960 not going to have that corehound running around at level 760 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.239 five right when you log into the game, because someone's 761 00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:57.360 been playing on this this established brand. 762 00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:59.920 I said, So if people have been playing a SA 763 00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:02.400 prior to this service, they can just bring all this 764 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:04.119 stuff into this one is. 765 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.559 That there's a paid vanity, well the vanity, there's like 766 00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:10.159 a paid weight to vanity over what you've unlocked. You 767 00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:13.440 can unlock transmogs and Mounce and all those things, and 768 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:16.119 you can port them over since you've paid for them 769 00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:21.480 within this totally part of our that's there. I think. 770 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:28.280 So is it the lack of a subfee the shields 771 00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:31.199 this server from a lot of the criticism that we 772 00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:33.239 would directed the is that what you guys are getting at, 773 00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:37.199 Like you if you logged onto Blizzard's Classic Plus and 774 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.559 you were paying your twenty dollars a month and you 775 00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:42.360 see that Ragnaros mount next to you at level five, 776 00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:44.960 and you get your mount at level five and you 777 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.599 see all this wild shit. Do you think the same 778 00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:51.480 people that are playing this game and going we and 779 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:54.199 loving it and going on this is so cool would 780 00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:56.639 then play the same thing from Blizzard but they're paying 781 00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:58.840 twenty bucks for it and start writing on the forums 782 00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:01.079 you fucking pieces of shit? How could you do Classic 783 00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:01.719 dirty like this? 784 00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:05.400 I think if Blizzard launch with like a full on 785 00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:09.079 shop right off the bat, yes, but if if your 786 00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:13.320 Ragnaros mount was unlocked for killing mcs, sixty and then 787 00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:16.840 you're able to on your all now ride this Ragnaros 788 00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:19.920 mount that you've earned from that classic plus Like, if 789 00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:22.519 they shield it like that, I think they'd be better off. 790 00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:24.880 But if they just launched off, like all right, credit card, 791 00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:27.559 what kind of cool stuff do you want at level one? Yeah, 792 00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:30.199 you're gonna get that reaction for sure. 793 00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:35.079 All Right, guys, we might We'll keep going through well 794 00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.719 peace by piece, talk about the content of this server, 795 00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:41.400 and you know, we'll take the good end the bad 796 00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:43.320 as it comes up. We've talked about, you know, the 797 00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:49.039 early level mounts. We've talked about the exploration side of things. 798 00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:53.920 You know, I think that I'll start off just another 799 00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:57.039 little tangent. You know, there are different play styles. It's 800 00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:58.800 got you know, things that we did start to see 801 00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:01.719 in Epoch. It's got your smite priest, it's got your 802 00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:06.440 tank sharman. You know, I rolled a tank Shaman, and 803 00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:10.280 I actually don't. It's funny because I'm not married to 804 00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:12.920 being a tank. I actually don't particularly want to be 805 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:15.320 a tank. I'll happily do it every now and again, 806 00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:17.960 but I'm not really a tank per se. I just 807 00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:23.559 wanted to see what Bronzebeard's take on the Shaman tank 808 00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:27.400 was compared to SOD Again, I want to know. I'm 809 00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:29.639 playing everything because I want to know what I like, 810 00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:32.519 what works, what doesn't work, to better inform me when 811 00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:35.119 I go into whatever Blizzard offers, because then at least 812 00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:39.280 I've played everything and I can say, hey, I Blizzard, 813 00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:42.039 I can see you've done this, but you know Epoch 814 00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:44.079 actually did it this way, or Bronzebeard actually did it 815 00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:46.199 this way and it was better or worse, and you 816 00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:50.320 know it just I feel more informed. But like the 817 00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:53.199 Shaman tank on Bronze Beard, like I said, I've only 818 00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:56.440 done RFC and I didn't actually tank our Razor fn 819 00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:59.039 downs run Merkshield took over, so merk W'll involved you 820 00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:03.280 in this one as well. It felt, you know, everyone 821 00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:06.280 on the Bronze Bitserver is glazing the Shaman tank from 822 00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.800 the Alpha or the PTR or whatever, going, oh my god, 823 00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:10.880 it's so fun. It's the most fun fucking speccing the game. 824 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.559 Oh my god, it's so fun. I really enjoyed it. 825 00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.000 Don't get me wrong, but I mean, I said to 826 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.599 the guys, granted, remember everything is only after twenty four 827 00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:25.719 hours of play testing. I enjoyed SOD shaman tank more 828 00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:30.199 to this point. I still enjoy this, but I think 829 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:33.360 the SOD one has a slight edge right now in 830 00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:36.559 the early levels. Merk Wall was your take on it? 831 00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:37.719 How did it feel to you? 832 00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:41.639 I felt human tanks feels pretty good. 833 00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:47.400 It's an interesting way to take that you have to t. 834 00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:55.400 Used to, but it felt perfectly good. 835 00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:59.000 Yeah, just grab grab your microphone again, made swallow your 836 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.840 mic Sorry, you're right. 837 00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:16.239 It has a good you got your temple. 838 00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:18.519 Pen and multi regulating. So I feel that it's pretty fun. 839 00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:21.559 I wouldn't say it's the great it's taking the world, 840 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:25.800 but it's and they did a good job with it. 841 00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:28.519 And the fact that you can get it just by leveling. 842 00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:31.480 It's kind of like uh perrel druid. 843 00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:37.199 Cat or a full bear and it's a hundsment shaman 844 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:42.000 and you just to go or get some talents here 845 00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:45.000 there make. 846 00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:47.920 You ask what allowed? What what the difference is like 847 00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:50.920 what allows shamans a tank so far versus like the 848 00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:53.199 runes that made it possible on so. 849 00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:56.079 Yeah, yeah, so they get they get insolved. I'll be 850 00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:57.960 this one if I struggling to hear you a little 851 00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:03.360 bit now mack. So they've introduced a new talent in 852 00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:06.559 the first row of the enhancement tree called Totemic Bond, 853 00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:09.360 which you can put three points into and I'll just 854 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:13.639 read the tooltip for you. Using Stone Law Totem while 855 00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:16.480 Earth and Guardian is active, has a one hundred percent 856 00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:18.719 chance to reduce all damage taken by twenty percent for 857 00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:21.280 six seconds. In addition, one hundred percent of the threat 858 00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:23.880 generated by the damage if your searing totem and magmatotem 859 00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:28.239 will be redirected to you instead, so it sends all 860 00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:31.760 your totem threat to you rather than mobs running to 861 00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:36.320 kill the totem. And it I mentioned an ability there 862 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.960 called Earth and Guardian, which is new. That's your tank 863 00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:42.840 stance that you get natively when you ding level ten, 864 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:44.840 So they just give it to you, right, you go 865 00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:46.599 to your Yeah, you go to your trainer at level 866 00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:49.079 ten you learn this new ability called Earth and Guardian, 867 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:51.239 and I'll read you the tooltip from Earth and Guardian 868 00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.320 Earthen Guardian one hundred and forty five men. A three 869 00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:59.039 second cast reduces all damage taken by five percent, but 870 00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:03.159 also reduce your damage and healing done by twenty five percent. 871 00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:06.880 In addition, threat generated is increased by one hundred and 872 00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:11.239 forty percent, and winshi no longer reduces your threat. If you, guys, 873 00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:14.159 remember when you kick something as a shaman, it actually 874 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:17.320 drops your threat in wrath or whatever as well. So 875 00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:19.519 they've gotten rid of that so you can kick with 876 00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:22.239 reckless abandon as a tank sharman and not worry about 877 00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.800 losing threat. So yeah, a lot of people balked at 878 00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:29.599 the like, oh fuck it. Wait, tank stance only reduces 879 00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:32.480 damage by five percent for a shaman, Like is that 880 00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:35.239 going to be enough at the higher levels? That sounds like, mate, 881 00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:37.920 you're not wearing plate. They you could get your ass 882 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:40.440 kicked by mobs later on, and that may well be 883 00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:45.280 the case. I'm not sure. It doesn't seem to have 884 00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:48.079 reports from people who've been playing Bronze Beard for a 885 00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:51.840 long time that the tank Charman is particularly squishy. I'm 886 00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:54.280 sure it's not like Chonky, but I don't think it's 887 00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:58.519 necessarily been deemed to be squishy. So yeah, that's what 888 00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:00.559 you get. But then you also get on top of that, 889 00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:03.519 there's a third thing, and this is a ruin that 890 00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:05.920 keeps saying ruins, you know what I mean? Mystical enchantment 891 00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.639 that you find out in the open world. I think 892 00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:11.440 it's very very easy to find. Actually, no, it's a 893 00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:14.239 quest reward. It's part of the path to ascensions. So 894 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:17.840 when you reach when you reach level fifteen, you get 895 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:21.039 this thing pop up going like, hey, congratulations, you can 896 00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:25.000 now use fucking epic enchants or whatever. Pick one of 897 00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:28.239 these four and they're all you know, spec related, and 898 00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:31.679 the tank one is one called if I can just 899 00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:37.440 pull it up now, it is called earthen spike, and 900 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:42.079 its tooltip breeds as follows primal strike, which you know 901 00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:45.800 as per Rath guys. You get primal strike at level one, 902 00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:48.639 you get basically, you know, something like a strike ability 903 00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:50.920 to put in your rotation so you're not board shitless 904 00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:54.639 when you're leveling a low level shaman. Primal strike no 905 00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:58.679 longer costs manner and summons an earthen spike below the target, 906 00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:03.519 dealing high threat physical damage to nearby enemies, and restores 907 00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:06.480 thirty percent of your base manner. In addition, the cool 908 00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:09.480 down of primal strike is reduced by two seconds, so 909 00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:12.920 primal strike then becomes basically a six second cool down. 910 00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:18.840 It does AOI damage and threat and that thirty percent 911 00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:23.239 manner return. I can tell you I don't think I 912 00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:27.239 ever went below seventy percent manner spamming the fuck out 913 00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:30.119 of every button I had in RFC, and I was shocked. 914 00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:32.440 I'm like, I can't run out of manner if I try. 915 00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:38.360 Okay, Yeah, I mean I played a little bit of 916 00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:40.760 the tank Shaman early on inside and it was a 917 00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:47.320 lot of fun dual world tanking. Interesting. Interesting. I was 918 00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:50.000 just curious, like, kind of what power they gave the 919 00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:52.320 shaman to tank And it sounds like it's just a 920 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.960 lot of threat modifiers through some of some of the 921 00:48:56.000 --> 00:49:01.519 mystic enchantment, some talents and changing up the primal strike. 922 00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:02.199 That's kind of cool. 923 00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:02.760 Yeah. 924 00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:05.679 So look like, if you're if you are in any way, 925 00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:08.719 shape or form intrigued by the concept of a shaman tank, 926 00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:11.880 I would implore you to try this version because you'll 927 00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:14.280 probably like it. And if you're a bigger sharman like 928 00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:17.679 I like shamans, but I'm not exactly like a shaman devote. 929 00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:20.719 If you're, you know, a shaman guy, you'll love this. 930 00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:26.960 It's just that you get an ability later that's like 931 00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:30.920 an AoE flameability. I don't have it yet. And that's 932 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:34.039 the part of the SOD Shaman taking experience that I 933 00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:37.719 really miss. I I really miss was a molten blast. 934 00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:42.159 It's the one that destright No, no, no, sorry, the one 935 00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:45.000 in SOD with there was like a cone of fire. 936 00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:49.280 Yeah exactly. It's like it's an early detonation of your 937 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:50.119 fire total. 938 00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:51.880 No no, no, but it's not. No, it's not a detonation 939 00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.079 of your fire tot In SOD they had like a 940 00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:56.280 cone of cold but fire for Sharman tanks. 941 00:49:56.639 --> 00:49:58.719 Yeah, that one, yeah, yeah, yeah, what was. 942 00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:04.039 It called molten bla was it or I can't remember. Yeah, 943 00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:06.599 So that was my favorite button, depressed as a Sharman 944 00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:09.000 tank inside a lot of dopamine. Out of that one, 945 00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:12.440 I was always just like, oh, yes, I love this ability. 946 00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:16.719 I don't even though I've got fire and nova in 947 00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.559 this version of the game, which is a ten second 948 00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:21.800 cool down, I think you can get that cool down 949 00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.679 down through other ruins to about seven seconds. 950 00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:25.840 You know. 951 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:28.719 It's just the AOI pulse that you hit manually to 952 00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:32.920 emit from your fire totem that you're referencing there. So 953 00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:35.000 that is in the game now. So I do have 954 00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:38.280 an AOI ability, and it's great, it's just not quite 955 00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:40.800 the same, doesn't feel as good as malten blast. But 956 00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:44.199 there is an AOI fire ability coming later down the 957 00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:47.039 track for me that, like I think emits a lava 958 00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:49.840 wave or something again, probably in a cone in front 959 00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:54.800 of me, so that'll be interesting. But yeah, so the 960 00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:57.119 Sharman tank. Is anyone here in trigues try out the 961 00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:57.760 Sharman tank. 962 00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:00.599 I can't wait. I'm thirteen. 963 00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:03.760 I'm just trying to get to high enough level to 964 00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:04.440 do RFC. 965 00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:08.119 Oh mate, I'll I'll have to find some healing gear 966 00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:10.199 and try and heal an RFC for you. I want 967 00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:13.559 to see how FW it's fucked. It's absolutely fucked. Poor 968 00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:16.840 easy Who, now I've decided, is the god of healers. 969 00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:19.800 Oh my god. 970 00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.320 I'm on the final lost now with the three Void 971 00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:24.880 Walkers and we just had our white So yeah, I'm 972 00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:28.039 getting getting first hand experience with it now. 973 00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:31.960 I feel like if you are in there for the 974 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:36.159 first time, it's virtually impossible not to have people die 975 00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:39.159 on that last fight, and you can avoid the wipe, 976 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:42.159 but someone's going to die, and your tank's probably going 977 00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:45.280 to die. I died both times we did it, and 978 00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.280 easy Who, like I said, I've fucking my god, the 979 00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:51.840 respect I have for this man now after watching him 980 00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:54.639 do what he did in this ridiculously hard RFC as 981 00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:59.000 a healer, tried his little heart out, just spamming heels 982 00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:02.000 to keep me up pre casting and everything, and I 983 00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:05.480 just couldn't. Like, there's four mobs beating the leaving sheet 984 00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:07.119 out of you. 985 00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:07.960 You got me blushing. 986 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:09.920 Man, I'm over here just feeling it right now. 987 00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:13.480 Oh my god, dude, tell us about it. 988 00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:17.480 Yeah, that that place the thing that got me right 989 00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:20.519 when you start and you're on that downhill descent down 990 00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:23.880 into RFC, on that ramp, they've put in two pack, 991 00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:27.320 two trog packs, and that was our kind of first 992 00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:30.679 realization that IRC is a lot harder because you would 993 00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:32.599 just walk up right like you got your normal pull 994 00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:34.239 and it's two mobs coming at you, and me, being 995 00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:37.000 the healer, I kind of have an expectation based on 996 00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:40.679 years of classic and other versions of Wow, what's going 997 00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:43.559 to happen? And dude, they touch you and you're down 998 00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:46.039 fifty percent. Yeah, so here I am, as the healer. 999 00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:47.920 I'm thinking, oh shit, this is going to happen again. 1000 00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:50.719 He's going to lose that next fifty percent on their 1001 00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:54.119 next attack, so I'm I'm spamming that button. They ease 1002 00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:55.239 off because we learned. 1003 00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:56.519 It was an ability. I can't remember that any of 1004 00:52:56.559 --> 00:52:57.000 the ability. 1005 00:52:57.079 --> 00:52:59.519 So it's head crack and it takes about twenty five 1006 00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:01.920 percent of damage. And if you've obviously got two trugs 1007 00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:04.039 on you, you're gonna get changed. But they do it 1008 00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:05.880 does seem to have an internal cool down, and they 1009 00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:08.280 only do it about every i don't know, eight seconds 1010 00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:08.760 or something. 1011 00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:12.159 So then so then you're feeling like, Okay, it's it's 1012 00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:14.679 mellowing out. I kind of I'm easing off the heels again, 1013 00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:17.199 and then they do it again. And so as the healer, 1014 00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:21.320 you're riding these highs and lows of massive amounts of 1015 00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:26.400 chunk damage versus more stable, kind of manageable healing. And 1016 00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:28.679 keep in mind, the first time I did it, dude, 1017 00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:30.480 I hadn't bought Duelspeck, so I. 1018 00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:32.360 Was I was Ellie in there. 1019 00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:35.360 Yeah, And I've listened to Josh talk on podcasts about 1020 00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:37.920 his dissatisfaction with healers, and I'm thinking, oh man, I'm 1021 00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:40.519 gonna view one on the next one. And so I'm 1022 00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:43.159 trying my ass off and I'm not from start to 1023 00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:45.440 finish because I run hill about. Yeah, so my right 1024 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:47.880 click on your name is my my heel and I 1025 00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:51.079 am just right click rightly, rightly, rightly, NonStop and it's 1026 00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:53.440 barely keeping you up. Then we get to the boss, 1027 00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:55.599 and that first boss, he has a holy mechanic. I'm 1028 00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:56.760 not going to say what it is because I know 1029 00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:59.119 we don't want to spoil, and we wipe. 1030 00:53:59.239 --> 00:53:59.719 We learn the. 1031 00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:01.440 Mcare we handled the second time. 1032 00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:03.719 Did we get to the that one? I will say 1033 00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:06.079 that was my fault. I fucked up massively on that 1034 00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:06.880 first boss. 1035 00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:10.599 I mean, yeah, it's it's a brand new serve and 1036 00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:12.280 there's a lot of things that are happening that don't 1037 00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:13.079 happen in Classic. 1038 00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:16.199 You said you're an m M R gamer. You couldn't 1039 00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:16.800 see that coming. 1040 00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:20.159 No, I actually because I was here's the thing, like 1041 00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:23.719 it's tough where I'm gonna uv loves it when I 1042 00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:27.159 make a million excuses. But like I was so focused 1043 00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:31.000 on this Sharman tank thing, like so overwhelmed, going, fuck, 1044 00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:34.199 how does this thing play? Am I pressing the right buttons? 1045 00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:36.639 I wasn't even watching the boss and he was casting 1046 00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:38.920 something that I really needed to look out for. Didn't 1047 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.719 even see him casting it got my fucking head kicked in. 1048 00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:46.719 We actually handled it fine, but yeah, yeah, it's just funny. 1049 00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:47.679 It just funny to hear. 1050 00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:50.400 The group always did better when I was dead. It 1051 00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:50.760 was great. 1052 00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:56.280 We we then we roll up on that like, oh 1053 00:54:56.320 --> 00:54:57.840 and the other thing too, Like you can tell the 1054 00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.519 difficulty of the dungeon by how little the tank and 1055 00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:04.480 healer are talking and how much the dps do talk 1056 00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:06.960 because they're oblivious to everything happening. Yeah, and so Josh 1057 00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:08.760 and I are dead, silent, and we are just like 1058 00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:14.119 white knuckling keyboards, mice grinding, clicking, you know, and these 1059 00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:16.199 guys are just having the time of their lives dps. 1060 00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:19.239 And we get to the last boss and he starts 1061 00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:22.239 there's this new mechanic again there. And I don't even 1062 00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.559 think that mechanic is why you die, man. I think 1063 00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:27.119 he just flatly hits you for a large damage. Did 1064 00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:29.320 you check you r what happened to me on your 1065 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:30.039 chat lugs? 1066 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:30.880 No? I didn't. 1067 00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:34.840 Yeah I didn't look either, But you got man handled 1068 00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:36.719 every time. And no matter how many times I hit 1069 00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:40.480 that heel button, I couldn't. I was falling behind, like say, 1070 00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:43.079 ten percent every cast right, like I'd bring you back 1071 00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:45.320 to ninety, bring you back to eighty, bringing back to seventy. 1072 00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:47.920 So it was like watching the slow Predictable Death and 1073 00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:51.000 Josh and knowing that, oh shit, we're gonna have to 1074 00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:55.360 format this. So I'm dropping earthbind I'm popping frost shocks, 1075 00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:58.119 We're doing everything we can to slow them. I'm kidiing 1076 00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:00.480 because I have all the thread at that point, everybody 1077 00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:01.719 else DPS isn't. 1078 00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:02.840 Down and it was a blast. 1079 00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:05.519 Like I that was the most fun I had. So 1080 00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:10.559 I agree with MRK. My favorite part so far is dungeons, 1081 00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:12.360 but I think it's based on the fact that I'm 1082 00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:14.599 healing them and the stress level is higher. 1083 00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:17.239 Had I been a DPS maybe I wouldn't have enjoyed 1084 00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:19.400 them as much, and I would have enjoyed something more 1085 00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:21.280 like going out into the open world and finding all 1086 00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:21.920 the cool stuff. 1087 00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:27.440 But I've really enjoyed trying to heal. We did w C, 1088 00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:29.719 same thing, not on RFC's level. 1089 00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:33.519 Yeah, so what's the deal. It's just the scaling with 1090 00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:36.039 RFC being a bit weird and all the other dungeons 1091 00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:38.239 are challenging but not at the same level. 1092 00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:41.559 So like if we were to do because we've I've 1093 00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:42.880 run three with you. 1094 00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:46.159 I would put RFC one, I would put w C two, 1095 00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:48.280 and I would put r f D three. And there's 1096 00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:51.440 a clear distinction between the three interns of difficulty, right, 1097 00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:54.480 Like RFC clearly, for some weird reason, being the lowest 1098 00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:56.119 level dungeon of the game is the hardest. 1099 00:56:56.440 --> 00:57:00.559 But then didn't you do a zolfarak that you fucking nightmare? 1100 00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:03.079 Yeah, but that was suns. 1101 00:57:03.159 --> 00:57:03.960 That was my tank. 1102 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:06.960 Oh yeah, sons that that tank. 1103 00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.719 And let you to be fair, obviously a player who 1104 00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:13.719 wasn't really a tank, right, he was not. 1105 00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:15.559 He was just trying his best in there. He didn't 1106 00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:17.039 know what he was getting into because it was day 1107 00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:18.880 one and we were all trying out the new random 1108 00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:21.840 dungeon finder, and he thought, yeah, I'm gonna take this 1109 00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:23.159 because it's a pushover. 1110 00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:24.320 Yeah it's not, it's not. 1111 00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:27.119 He he got so dejected he took about a ten 1112 00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:30.239 minute AFK and then came back, tried once more, died again, 1113 00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:30.960 and then just dropped. 1114 00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:31.760 Yeah. Just see that. 1115 00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:34.360 So, like I think the story, would you agree? The 1116 00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:38.079 story to take away from this is like, look, I 1117 00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:40.679 don't want to make it sound like dungeons are fucking ridiculous. 1118 00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:45.519 But like, if you wanted a challenge and you want 1119 00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:48.719 to actually really get involved in a dungeon, play tank 1120 00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:51.760 or heels. Trust me. If you want a cruise, do 1121 00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:55.960 the DPS thing. But like, if you're looking to chill 1122 00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:59.159 and you know, smoke a bone and play some fucking 1123 00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:02.920 wow classy and cruise through dungeons, do not heal or 1124 00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:03.400 tank it. 1125 00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:06.480 Yeah, I think I think that's a big part of 1126 00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:08.800 it is the game lulls you into this kind of 1127 00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:13.159 like someone was saying earlier, they feel like it's dopamine, dopamine, dopamine, dopamine, and. 1128 00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:15.079 So you're kind of predicting that when you go into 1129 00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:17.599 the dungeon, it's going to be trash pull, trash pull, 1130 00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:20.400 trash pool, smash, mash AoE, blow it up. And then 1131 00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:22.239 you do it, and you're like, oh, no, this is 1132 00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:25.119 a this is a big tonal change in terms of 1133 00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:28.079 what I was doing out there and now what I'm 1134 00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:30.440 having to do in here. And so the first time 1135 00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:33.159 you do it, it catches you off guard. And yes, 1136 00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:35.320 you experience that on a completely different. 1137 00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:38.000 Level being a tank being a healer than you do 1138 00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:38.920 just being a DPS. 1139 00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:40.280 So yeah, I agree with you there. 1140 00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:43.079 And don't forget we haven't even gotten to the Heroic 1141 00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:46.639 and the Mythic Plus versions of these where at endgame 1142 00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:50.639 these same dungeons are going to have added difficulties and 1143 00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:53.000 even more mechanics on top of the new mechanics. 1144 00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:56.119 There you go, you said the magic words. The listeners 1145 00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:58.239 at home who have never heard of fucking Bronze by 1146 00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:01.559 It until this podcast episode just heard you say fucking 1147 00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:04.519 Mythic and Mythic Plus and they going, what the fuck? 1148 00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:06.079 Tell them what's coming? 1149 00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:10.440 I mean, they they've it sounds like to keep things relevant. 1150 00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:12.199 I mean I just saw the one trailer video. I 1151 00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:14.840 haven't I haven't done much other than watched their thirty 1152 00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:16.559 minute intro video, and. 1153 00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:19.079 Everyone should watch that if you, if you really are 1154 00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:21.239 on short It's well. 1155 00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:24.199 Done for information and just the quality of it. It 1156 00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:27.679 sounds like they've taken a spin on Retail's Mythic Plus 1157 00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:30.280 system where you're gonna have affixes that you can add 1158 00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:34.000 to these dungeons to kind of help with the endgame 1159 00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:36.840 farm in what you need for endgame to keep to 1160 00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:42.159 keep playing. You know, I actually broke into Ascension back 1161 00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:45.239 when they first dropped their first like classless server. So 1162 00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:47.679 I haven't played in a long time with with ascension, 1163 00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:50.199 so it seems like they've got a very solid team 1164 00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:53.639 of people working to come up with some of this. 1165 00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:56.960 You know, all the mobs having new models and reworked, 1166 00:59:57.039 --> 00:59:58.920 Like the amount of work that just goes into that, 1167 00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:01.760 it's insane the work that they've done on this server, 1168 01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:03.960 And hats off to them, even if it's not your 1169 01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:05.880 cup of tea, They've they've done some great work with 1170 01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:08.840 what they've actually put together for people. 1171 01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:12.920 Yeah, so you can choose classic models or like, I 1172 01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:14.880 think it's the ward models, is that right? 1173 01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:19.880 Yeah, it's it's the current like I think it's it's 1174 01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:23.239 I think it's almost the full retail models at this point. 1175 01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:26.519 Okay, so it's it's models. 1176 01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:30.119 It's the drainar models, is what it is. Right, That's 1177 01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:33.000 when the initial that's when the initial first changeover to 1178 01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:36.079 the HD models started. Gotcha. 1179 01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:39.039 Okay, So yeah, you can choose between that. So again, 1180 01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:41.360 that's something that turns a lot of people off if 1181 01:00:41.360 --> 01:00:43.519 they can't have their classic looks. But you can pick 1182 01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:46.119 the classic looks if you want. You look, guys, this 1183 01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:50.039 is a trans mogue heavy server, but you can turn 1184 01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:52.000 it off if you don't want to see any of 1185 01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:52.960 that shit as well. 1186 01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:56.400 I've actually I like transmog and I've actually got it 1187 01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.159 turned off because I want to see all the cool 1188 01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:01.239 stuff that people are finding, Like everything looks there's a 1189 01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:02.760 lot of cool things, Like I want to see what 1190 01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:05.079 I'm finding, Like I'd normally like translog and I'll probably 1191 01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:07.599 turn it on once I get to a point where 1192 01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:11.639 I want to have a stagnant look. But it's pretty slick. 1193 01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:15.360 They give premise saying that though I was running the 1194 01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:17.599 Classic Models because I don't like the game to look like, 1195 01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:19.840 you know, some kind of weird like cabin it from 1196 01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:25.159 like a But it does allow for some weird visual 1197 01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:27.320 bugs like I went to go sign the Gild charter 1198 01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:32.000 and someone was surfing a wyburn. I can't remember who 1199 01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:33.280 it was that I went to go sign it and 1200 01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:35.440 they were like, I'm writing like this massive thing, and 1201 01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:37.400 I'm like, yeah, well I've shared my screen. I'm like, 1202 01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:39.679 you look like you're standing on top of a wibn. Like, 1203 01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:42.920 it does allow for some very weird visual bugs if 1204 01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:45.599 you decide not to dive deep into the whole kind 1205 01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:47.480 of I want every model on the planet and make 1206 01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:53.840 it look like, you know, funfair. Yeah, not my cup 1207 01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:54.159 of tea. 1208 01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:59.119 All right, now, guys, we haven't really talked a lot 1209 01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:01.320 of people were wondering about the classes. So we've talked 1210 01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:04.079 a bit about Tank Shaman obviously, tell me about the 1211 01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:06.840 class you're playing and some of the crazy shit that 1212 01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:09.519 you've already started noticing because there is Look, guys, this 1213 01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:13.920 is again. We're going to get to a bit more 1214 01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:16.760 chat about Epoch much later on, guys. So I know 1215 01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:19.599 it's super weird for Countdown to be like Epoch, epop 1216 01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:22.079 Epoch over the last six weeks and now we're literally 1217 01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:23.920 here discussing a new server and a lot of you 1218 01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:26.760 will have whiplash from like, wait, Josh, what the fuck? 1219 01:02:26.800 --> 01:02:29.719 What's going on? Like I said, there's just there's now 1220 01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:32.000 very clearly two options out there for you, guys. They 1221 01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:34.440 are very different options. So we're just explaining this second 1222 01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:40.840 one now that's just launched in the last twenty four hours. Look, uh, 1223 01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:42.719 I want to hear from you guys what you've seen 1224 01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:45.119 we did. Like for instance, for example, like I know 1225 01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:51.719 that the hunter in our RC yesterday had an ability 1226 01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:56.519 that like made Hunter's mark if you applied it and 1227 01:02:56.559 --> 01:03:00.280 then when your next ability you used against a mob 1228 01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:03.679 with hunters Mark applied to it over I think it 1229 01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:07.159 was seventy five percent health. It's a guaranteed create and 1230 01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:09.119 it's sort of batch so you can do like an 1231 01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:11.519 auto shot and an arcane shot at the same time 1232 01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:14.639 that both will guaranteed create on that high health mob 1233 01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:19.039 with with hunters Mark applied. So he was tab targeting, 1234 01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:21.320 applying Hunter's Mark all the time to all the high 1235 01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:23.320 health mobs at the start of a pool and just 1236 01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:26.920 getting quick create and the damage on I mean, a 1237 01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:28.960 low level Hunter, as we always know, is great, but 1238 01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:32.559 it was fucking insane, Like Tank Shaman's damage was insane. 1239 01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:34.920 It's really really good, but the Hunter beat me out. 1240 01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:38.119 You know what have you guys noticed with your classes 1241 01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:42.199 and fun little runes or whatever. Who wants to go first? Yeah, 1242 01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:42.719 go for it. 1243 01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:49.320 I went four shell Undead Powadin. Surprise Retail hasn't actually 1244 01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:53.840 brought this and shocked but you know, I'm playing rat 1245 01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:55.760 because what's up. 1246 01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:58.199 I'm shocked Retail hasn't done it too. It's really weird 1247 01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:00.280 now at this point. 1248 01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:04.519 Yeah, you know what I like about it so far 1249 01:04:04.719 --> 01:04:07.960 is there's Button having Crusader Strike right at the start 1250 01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:10.159 just gives you that active button that you need as 1251 01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:14.880 a Powadin, Like it's fantastic. It doesn't hit overly hard. 1252 01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:17.360 It's like starts out at fifty percent of your weapon damage, 1253 01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:20.639 so it's not like one shotting mobs. Your judgment's definitely 1254 01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:23.559 the better the better damage option, but that's on the 1255 01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:25.679 what ten second quot down to start, so it's not 1256 01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:27.880 like you're just sitting there smashing through mobs. And I've 1257 01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:31.400 definitely had some scary calls and some overpols, and I'm 1258 01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:36.000 not just rolling through things like getting consecrations nice. I 1259 01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:38.119 don't have too many mystic in chants. I just have 1260 01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:39.760 the one you get level ten and the one you 1261 01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:41.920 eat level fifteen, so I'm kind of limited as to 1262 01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:46.280 what powers I've unlocked, and I haven't found whatever forge 1263 01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:47.760 I need to put the fifteen on one, so I 1264 01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:51.599 only have my increased create on Crusader Strike, just as 1265 01:04:51.639 --> 01:04:54.199 all that was by three percent. So it's nothing game changing, 1266 01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:58.320 but it just feels engaging so far as a Rep Powdin, 1267 01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:00.880 I feel like I have to I have to do things. 1268 01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:05.559 I'm not just AFK hero. Yeah, you know, waiting for 1269 01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:08.039 my next auto attack and hoping a seal crits is 1270 01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:11.039 just it's engaging. I'm interested to see how it how 1271 01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:12.960 it feels as I unlock some more of these talents 1272 01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:16.360 and what they reworked. I've never I've never played I mean, 1273 01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:19.800 I've played Legion Rett. That's about my only ret experience 1274 01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:24.079 where I've actually played it. So it's it's fun. 1275 01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:27.039 Well, it's my one my one mind. I wouldn't call 1276 01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:29.199 it a criticism as much as like one of my 1277 01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:31.639 minor notes from Epoch and if you have us said 1278 01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:34.480 this on the podcast going like I mean, we're having 1279 01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:37.599 a great time, but if SOD has taught us anything, 1280 01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:41.639 it's that it does feel really good when these classes 1281 01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:45.920 get just that one or two extra buttons to press. 1282 01:05:46.639 --> 01:05:49.679 And it was it was quite notable on Epoch that 1283 01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:53.000 you still like the classes feel fantastic on Epoch, but 1284 01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:56.079 like just that one extra button would make the world difference. 1285 01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:59.679 And here maybe it's a bit gone too far the 1286 01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:02.159 other way. I'm not sure, but like I mean, just 1287 01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:04.719 in the early goings, like even on my Sharman, just 1288 01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:08.000 like having the extra strike, like it feels really good 1289 01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:12.440 just having a mild rotation on a class at the 1290 01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:15.679 early goings, but then also knowing that like things are 1291 01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:20.039 a bit more involved gameplay wise. I loved my Warlock 1292 01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:21.599 on Epoch, but I was always kind of like, if 1293 01:06:21.639 --> 01:06:24.000 I wasn't playing a Warlock, I feel like I'd be 1294 01:06:24.039 --> 01:06:26.559 a little bit bored with some of these other classes. 1295 01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:29.920 But on Bronze Beard everything seems to be quite engaging. 1296 01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:33.000 Who else is enjoying their class? 1297 01:06:34.639 --> 01:06:38.400 I've been enjoying. I've been enjoying it. Elie Sharman. 1298 01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:42.960 When we did Epoch, I was excited because I could 1299 01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:45.559 finally level Ellie and then off Heel Dunders or a 1300 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:48.800 Heel Dungeons without having change specs. And they introduced some 1301 01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:51.559 really nice stuff into Epoch. They have an earthbind thing 1302 01:06:51.639 --> 01:06:57.840 that helps you what avoid pushback when casting. They have 1303 01:06:57.920 --> 01:07:01.199 one the get watershield really early. But still I found 1304 01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:04.159 myself having to drink probably every three or four mobs regardless, 1305 01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:08.000 and here I'm Ellie and I don't really have to 1306 01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:09.199 stop to drink. 1307 01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:12.559 And the thing too, like time to kill is really. 1308 01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:14.519 Important right in Classic, because I think that's a big 1309 01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:16.639 component of Classic, is time to kill. 1310 01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:19.159 If you can kill three mobs in ten seconds, that 1311 01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:20.000 feels Retail. 1312 01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:21.679 I haven't played Retail in a while, so many times 1313 01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:23.639 might mouth, but you kill a lot of mobs, you 1314 01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:26.840 killing really fast over in Classic, there's a certain amount 1315 01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:29.159 of time that passes, and here too, it does take 1316 01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:30.480 you a very long time. 1317 01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:33.599 Like when you said you were blasting in RSC because 1318 01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:36.440 you were doing forty one dps, the Hunter was doing 1319 01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:39.119 thirty eight dps, right, I mean you might remember the 1320 01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:41.039 number is a bit better, but it's not like you 1321 01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:42.239 were doing ninety dps. 1322 01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:44.599 No, no, no, no, yeah. I think at the end of 1323 01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:46.199 the run, at the end of the run, it was 1324 01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:48.960 like the Tana did forty nine and I did forty four. Yeah, 1325 01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:51.039 it's not like a million dps. 1326 01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:53.239 Right, And that's what I think the difference for me 1327 01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:55.760 with the first I mean, I'm talking about stud instead 1328 01:07:55.760 --> 01:07:58.239 of Epoch, But the difference here is that you don't 1329 01:07:58.280 --> 01:07:59.440 quite have that power. 1330 01:07:59.840 --> 01:08:01.760 And that's kind of what ruins Tide for me was 1331 01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:05.119 it just got to be a real pushover. So between 1332 01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:08.760 the two Eparch and this one, there both have introduced 1333 01:08:08.760 --> 01:08:10.239 some really great things to the class. 1334 01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:11.800 I enjoyed my time playing. 1335 01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:14.239 Ellie over on EPARCH, and I'm enjoying it here again. 1336 01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:15.239 So yeah, it's been a good. 1337 01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:18.199 Time, good stuff. 1338 01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:20.159 I thought it was pretty good as well, Like the 1339 01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:27.680 Ela Sharmond felt pretty smooth. It's always a bit jarring 1340 01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:33.560 when they remove the interrupt from your earthshock and they say, yeah, 1341 01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:35.600 you're going to get an interrupt at level thirty six. 1342 01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:36.680 Yeah yeah, yeah. 1343 01:08:37.239 --> 01:08:39.720 Other than that, it's it's it was pretty smooth. 1344 01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:42.439 I think you get it at fifteen winch here or something. 1345 01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:44.840 Okay, So it wasn't that bad. 1346 01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:45.720 No. 1347 01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:48.159 I had it in RFA and it helped a lot. 1348 01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:50.600 But the shitty thing is not that it really matters, 1349 01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:54.560 but like because it doesn't have like a silence, so sorry, 1350 01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:57.720 it does. It locks. It locks when you use wind here, 1351 01:08:57.720 --> 01:09:00.960 it locks them out for two seconds. But I found 1352 01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:05.239 in RFC and easy found the same thing. We're sitting 1353 01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:08.920 there wind shearing like machine guns, but the cast is 1354 01:09:09.560 --> 01:09:12.720 Titch is casting something else straight away. Like they wouldn't 1355 01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:17.439 then run into the tank because they'd been interrupted. They 1356 01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:20.079 were just going, well, fuck you, I'll just keep standing 1357 01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:25.520 here like a turret and cast something else. It was 1358 01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:29.039 a bit annoying, but yeah, who's played a different class 1359 01:09:29.039 --> 01:09:31.640 outside of Paladin and shum And let me give you 1360 01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:34.159 some first impressions are. 1361 01:09:34.039 --> 01:09:35.720 There are there classes. 1362 01:09:37.319 --> 01:09:41.119 Funny? Oh, I gotta say honestly, probably the I mean, 1363 01:09:41.239 --> 01:09:45.640 the Mage obviously is going to be hit or biss 1364 01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:50.920 at early stages. You know, the whole a Lei vibe 1365 01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:55.039 is still there when it comes to frost. I haven't 1366 01:09:55.039 --> 01:10:00.479 tried arcane yet, which is gonna happen here soon. The 1367 01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:03.279 mystic in chance that we've got I've gotten so far 1368 01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:07.239 are kind of hit or miss. I mean, I'm looking 1369 01:10:07.279 --> 01:10:09.880 forward to a couple of them that are coming up, 1370 01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:16.199 Like Epic Wanding Want Attacks grant you stacks that increase 1371 01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:18.399 the cast speed of your next spell by five percent 1372 01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:20.960 five percent stacks up to five times and lasts for 1373 01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:24.439 six seconds. So that in itself is going to be 1374 01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:29.239 pretty cool. Now to kind of help on the arcane front. 1375 01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:34.920 Right now, I'm cruising with with Biting Frost, and that 1376 01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:38.520 one's killing an enemy with frost damage causes your next 1377 01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:40.640 spell that can trigger frost bite to have one hundred 1378 01:10:40.640 --> 01:10:43.600 percent chance to trigger it, which is nice when you're 1379 01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:51.479 single targeting. You know, over time, the Mage, you know, 1380 01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:56.079 did develop that whole AOI aspect, And now I'm gonna 1381 01:10:56.119 --> 01:10:58.239 work with a build that's going to be more of 1382 01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:02.520 a single target for v B and see how that's 1383 01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:06.800 gonna go. Well, all, I like it all right? Anyone 1384 01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:10.119 else there is, well, there's real quick. There is a 1385 01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:13.600 legendary mystican chant that I will get later on that 1386 01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:16.880 will allow me to have a whoppling too, So instead 1387 01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:20.079 of just having the water element, all, I can also 1388 01:11:20.119 --> 01:11:22.119 have a whoppling as a pet. 1389 01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:26.920 So very good, Antie, what are you playing? 1390 01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:32.119 I played a paladin and I can tell you right 1391 01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:35.039 now I will not be going back to for any reason. 1392 01:11:35.319 --> 01:11:38.840 Right, that's right. You've you've You've had it. You've seen enough. 1393 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:42.000 I've seen enough. I don't like it. It's not for 1394 01:11:42.119 --> 01:11:43.680 me fair enough. 1395 01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:44.680 It was a lot of vanilla. 1396 01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:47.720 It doesn't scratch the nostalgia that I was always hunting for. 1397 01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:48.399 This does. 1398 01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:50.680 No, I can't do it fair enough. 1399 01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:53.479 Well, we'll come back to that. I don't want to feel. 1400 01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:55.760 We're going to get to the epoch part eventually, trust me. 1401 01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:01.920 Voodoo are you there, matey? He's busy eating macas for 1402 01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:04.439 breakfast and having a coffee. That's all right. Wonder are 1403 01:12:04.479 --> 01:12:04.800 you there? 1404 01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:07.960 I here made of you? 1405 01:12:08.119 --> 01:12:09.159 What level do you get up to? 1406 01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:13.560 Nineteen? On my und Oh? 1407 01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:14.119 There you go. 1408 01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:16.520 You tried the Hunter? What the fuck? What have you 1409 01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:17.399 done with wonder? 1410 01:12:18.479 --> 01:12:22.119 I don't know. It's play a lot of druids, So 1411 01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:24.000 try and do something different. 1412 01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:25.000 For changing probably his time. 1413 01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:27.920 I kind of in Mop. I played Marcane magin Mop 1414 01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:32.439 and force myself to do something different. 1415 01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:35.199 Fair enough, you sound half asleep and it fucking spewing 1416 01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:36.039 that I've called on you. 1417 01:12:37.880 --> 01:12:42.079 Just early morning. Voice hasn't hasn't been warmed up yet. 1418 01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:44.319 Fair enough, we'll give us the two second account of Hunter. 1419 01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:45.319 Do you like it? 1420 01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:52.119 Hunter feels as strong early game as it's always been. 1421 01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:52.800 I feel like. 1422 01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:58.079 I guess the end of Caviot is the comments you're 1423 01:12:58.119 --> 01:13:00.840 making about the ruin or the whatever the fuck it's 1424 01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:05.520 supposed to be called. I don't think is the good 1425 01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:10.319 version of the same the mystic in Chat. I'm running 1426 01:13:10.359 --> 01:13:16.359 a different one which buffs the pet, increasing special ability 1427 01:13:16.359 --> 01:13:18.880 by ten percent when Hunter's marks on the target, and 1428 01:13:18.880 --> 01:13:22.359 then after you kill a target, the pet creates twice 1429 01:13:22.720 --> 01:13:27.520 and it doesn't cost any focus. That feels very strong 1430 01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:32.920 to me. But yeah, other than that, it's not too 1431 01:13:32.960 --> 01:13:34.920 much to say about Hunter. It feels pretty comfortable. 1432 01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:41.159 Okay, Sinner, did you try it out Sinner's afk, that's 1433 01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:45.960 all right, who's tried a different class. Let's see here, 1434 01:13:47.239 --> 01:13:48.199 green are you playing? 1435 01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:52.960 I tried a shaman over there, but I only got 1436 01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:57.039 to about level or five, and I was like, I'm good, all. 1437 01:13:57.000 --> 01:13:59.720 Right, fair enough, fair enough. Well maybe look, maybe it 1438 01:13:59.840 --> 01:14:04.000 is time let's do the part of the conversation now 1439 01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:06.399 that turns more towards Epoch, because it sounds like we've 1440 01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:08.199 got a few of you here now that have tried 1441 01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:11.960 Bronze Beard and played it for three seconds and just said, 1442 01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:16.520 fuck this, this is fucking no good. And there's like 1443 01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:19.439 I said, I can't stress this enough. There is nothing 1444 01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:22.479 wrong with that take. Because this is such a divisive 1445 01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:25.960 server in terms of it will split people. There will 1446 01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:30.520 be so I truly believe that people like me who 1447 01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:33.640 are like I like both will be so few and 1448 01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:37.119 far between. This is this is like you really will 1449 01:14:37.159 --> 01:14:39.680 be all in on Epoch for that more like you 1450 01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:43.920 know classic e vibe. You know it's not Anniversary, but 1451 01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:46.800 it's not anywhere near as far as Bronze Beard goes 1452 01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:49.840 versus the people who are all in on Bronze Beard, 1453 01:14:49.880 --> 01:14:52.840 and like, now Epoch's too slow. This is fucking my 1454 01:14:53.039 --> 01:14:56.399 jam let's rock and roll and blast fucking dungeons and 1455 01:14:56.439 --> 01:15:01.319 all that shit. So I'll reach out to you Epoch 1456 01:15:01.399 --> 01:15:07.279 guys here and say, tell me more about what you 1457 01:15:07.399 --> 01:15:11.199 saw on Bronze Beard that had you so quickly decide 1458 01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:14.119 that it wasn't for you, and that Epoch does better. 1459 01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:19.680 I mean, I've said it once before. When I went 1460 01:15:19.720 --> 01:15:23.000 to go join Turtle Wow, I was enjoying it. I 1461 01:15:23.039 --> 01:15:25.840 got to level thirteen fourteen, I went to Stormwind and 1462 01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:28.640 there was a maid flying around on a cloud with 1463 01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:31.520 a smiling face. And I went and then I heard 1464 01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:35.199 about Epoch and I left and never went back, the 1465 01:15:35.560 --> 01:15:39.319 exact same thing. I literally was like, this is just 1466 01:15:39.560 --> 01:15:42.439 there's just too much going on, Like I'm just being 1467 01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:44.920 spammed with things I can train my skills by the 1468 01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:48.359 book that's flying behind me. I am just being I've 1469 01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:53.640 got my mount and I'm level six, Like why I've 1470 01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:55.720 got more bags and I know what to do with 1471 01:15:55.800 --> 01:15:57.800 on the planet and my bags and now better than 1472 01:15:57.840 --> 01:16:01.000 my level forty nine, which me ten gold on the 1473 01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:04.800 auction house. I'm level six and I have two gold? 1474 01:16:04.960 --> 01:16:06.920 Why do I have two gold? What is the money 1475 01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:08.800 going to be like at sixty when I've got eighty 1476 01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:12.399 trillion gold. If I've already got two at level six, 1477 01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:14.680 it's just too much going on. 1478 01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:16.640 Sorry, I'm back. 1479 01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:21.119 I don't understand what the people who don't like it. 1480 01:16:21.159 --> 01:16:24.520 I don't understand what you're looking for. You're looking just 1481 01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:26.720 but you're looking for just a classic. You just want 1482 01:16:26.760 --> 01:16:27.399 classic again. 1483 01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:31.640 No, No, I think epoch is I want is different 1484 01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:35.279 enough from classic to be able to under my opinion. 1485 01:16:35.479 --> 01:16:39.479 I'm a classic andy, right, I love classic. I hate retail, 1486 01:16:39.640 --> 01:16:42.079 but I'm not looking for another classic either. 1487 01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:43.640 And I think like and I don't. 1488 01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:45.960 I'm not putting anybody down, but to be turned off 1489 01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:47.960 by just seeing someone on a mount with a smiley cloud, 1490 01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:51.319 I think it's a bit much like it seems like 1491 01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:53.920 the tiniest little thing is going to send you away 1492 01:16:53.920 --> 01:16:55.560 from any other game. So what is it that you're 1493 01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:56.479 actually looking for? 1494 01:16:57.319 --> 01:17:01.439 I think I basically want and then TVs. 1495 01:17:01.479 --> 01:17:03.960 Oh sorry, yeah, I was just gonna say. I think 1496 01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:06.960 there's a fair middle ground between the two. Like I'm 1497 01:17:07.000 --> 01:17:10.720 not married to the to the mount at forty, Like 1498 01:17:10.800 --> 01:17:13.319 I'm fine with amount of twenty five and a man 1499 01:17:13.399 --> 01:17:18.279 could cost half the volte the talents could be different. 1500 01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:21.159 I'm also okay with the weapon skill being removed from 1501 01:17:21.159 --> 01:17:23.119 the game, Like, that's not a huge thing for me, 1502 01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:28.600 but it's also yeah, like for example that I think 1503 01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:32.560 I mentioned already, like what's the what's the point of 1504 01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:38.880 having item upgrades where within six levels I changed my 1505 01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:43.119 main hand item five times, each time with a different 1506 01:17:43.119 --> 01:17:47.720 green item. It feels like nothing has any meaning because 1507 01:17:47.760 --> 01:17:49.319 you switch it out so quickly. 1508 01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:50.239 Well. 1509 01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:53.199 There there is something though, too, a lot that goes 1510 01:17:53.199 --> 01:17:57.279 along with those word forged items. You can upgrade those 1511 01:17:57.319 --> 01:18:02.560 world forged items. Okay, not every single piece of gear 1512 01:18:02.600 --> 01:18:05.880 out there is going to be I think they're trying 1513 01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:08.600 to be more diverse. They're trying to give more you know, 1514 01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:12.399 trans mog options and stuff like that. But yeah, it 1515 01:18:12.520 --> 01:18:15.920 is a little bloated when it comes to that kind 1516 01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:18.840 of stuff. But I think it was more added for 1517 01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:25.760 the exploration style player, right, more options out there for 1518 01:18:26.840 --> 01:18:32.319 the hardcore style players to you know, have something more 1519 01:18:32.359 --> 01:18:35.800 to look forward to other than something they killed just 1520 01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:41.439 off of a mob. But I mean we were all 1521 01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:43.720 kind of talking earlier, A few of us were talking earlier, 1522 01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:48.239 and everybody's I really think Easy said it best. I mean, 1523 01:18:48.279 --> 01:18:50.520 everybody's going to have their own take on what their 1524 01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:57.119 personal classic plus is. I personally feel that if Blizard 1525 01:18:57.159 --> 01:18:59.439 does come out with a classic plus, I think it's 1526 01:18:59.479 --> 01:19:01.399 going to be more retail is. I think there's gonna 1527 01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:08.199 be a lot of disappointed people. For me, Epoch has 1528 01:19:08.239 --> 01:19:11.520 been great. I love it. It's a good classic feel, 1529 01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:14.159 it's a good classic vibe. It is refreshing to have that. 1530 01:19:14.840 --> 01:19:19.720 But I also enjoy playing something on a different scale 1531 01:19:20.479 --> 01:19:23.479 that's not retail, that kind of has that retail vibe, 1532 01:19:24.039 --> 01:19:29.199 but it's set in Azrath, right. I mean, we can 1533 01:19:29.239 --> 01:19:33.000 all agree that some of the mounts and stuff are 1534 01:19:33.079 --> 01:19:39.520 a little insane, but to allow that to deter you 1535 01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:45.039 away from checking out the whole aspect of the game 1536 01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:49.800 and what they've actually created, and to not actually dive 1537 01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:52.920 into the game and take a good hard look past 1538 01:19:53.039 --> 01:19:59.359 level five or level six, it's not doing anything to justice. 1539 01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:01.600 But same time, to each their own, I mean, we're 1540 01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:04.199 all going to have our own opinion on what we like. 1541 01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:13.199 So I think another thing too is ah Epoch is 1542 01:20:15.039 --> 01:20:19.560 very glitchy, and I don't know, we don't know how 1543 01:20:19.560 --> 01:20:22.399 long it's going to be until they figure that out. 1544 01:20:24.119 --> 01:20:27.640 And with that being said, also to me, Epoch isn't 1545 01:20:27.640 --> 01:20:34.600 Classic Plus. It's Classic expanded. You know, that's virtually it. 1546 01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:40.279 It's just new Quest hubs. What's the difference A lot. 1547 01:20:40.199 --> 01:20:43.960 Different Classic Classic Plus and Classic Enhanced or what you're called. 1548 01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:48.960 It a lot? I mean Classic Plus is in addition 1549 01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:57.880 to okay, like the they races from uh TVC, the 1550 01:20:57.920 --> 01:21:02.279 Mystic enchantments, the way the world forged items, the blood 1551 01:21:02.279 --> 01:21:08.399 forged items you get from PvP, the new dungeons, the 1552 01:21:08.439 --> 01:21:11.039 new raids that they're talking about, all this stuff that's 1553 01:21:11.079 --> 01:21:15.520 all classic. That to me, that's Classic Plus. Now Classic 1554 01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:19.640 Extended or Classic Expanded would essentially just be a few 1555 01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:28.840 new Quest hubs running the TBC talents, and that's virtually 1556 01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:31.399 all we got. I mean we got a few. We 1557 01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:35.439 got one or two new dungeons, three two new dungeons, 1558 01:21:35.960 --> 01:21:40.039 and then a couple of rework mechanics. That's virtually it. 1559 01:21:41.119 --> 01:21:46.960 Right, comparing apples and oranges. I hate to say it because, 1560 01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:50.600 like bronzeby clearly huge amount of development time that has 1561 01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:53.399 gone into it. It is a very polished, clean product. 1562 01:21:54.399 --> 01:21:58.520 Epoch was released by by peer pressure that we want 1563 01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:02.079 it now, we want it now. It's an unfinished product. 1564 01:22:02.159 --> 01:22:04.680 The dev team who we're doing it is now clearly 1565 01:22:04.720 --> 01:22:07.199 no longer doing it or anything like that. We haven't 1566 01:22:07.239 --> 01:22:10.319 actually seen what their vision of PLUS really was. We've 1567 01:22:10.319 --> 01:22:13.800 got like a taster only a couple of reworked dungeons, 1568 01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:16.800 really cool, extra little dungeon two of them in there, 1569 01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:20.560 pretty cool. But we haven't actually actually seen what their 1570 01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:24.119 PLUS vision is. We've given been given, like you know, 1571 01:22:24.359 --> 01:22:27.039 an appetizer, and we're just like, well, we're waiting for 1572 01:22:27.079 --> 01:22:29.199 the main meal because the main meal is still coming. 1573 01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:32.960 Some of that dead work clearly Ascension has will they 1574 01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:36.079 release it hopefully and maybe when we'll be able to 1575 01:22:36.119 --> 01:22:40.000 compare the two products together. Right now we've got to sixty. 1576 01:22:40.079 --> 01:22:41.640 If it's pretty much the same. We've got a few 1577 01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:43.479 little things that we were like, oh we like this, 1578 01:22:43.720 --> 01:22:46.560 we want more of it. But when will the more come? 1579 01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:49.560 Let's see, that's the issue people. I'm sitting at sixty 1580 01:22:49.800 --> 01:22:51.960 feeling the same way it did in Classic. 1581 01:22:53.560 --> 01:22:54.960 Board. 1582 01:22:55.760 --> 01:22:59.479 So just to sit here and wait for MCS not 1583 01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:01.279 cup of tea. 1584 01:23:02.359 --> 01:23:05.720 We'll talk about Epoch now. Like in terms of look, 1585 01:23:06.159 --> 01:23:10.119 Bronze Beeared coming along is a obvious hit in the nuts. 1586 01:23:10.159 --> 01:23:14.039 For Epoch, I have been a huge proponent proponent of Epoch, 1587 01:23:14.119 --> 01:23:16.319 There's no doubt about it. Obviously, with everything that's been 1588 01:23:16.319 --> 01:23:19.479 having on the show lately, I still love Epoch and 1589 01:23:19.560 --> 01:23:22.000 I'm still planning to raid on Epoch. 1590 01:23:22.079 --> 01:23:22.319 Like I. 1591 01:23:22.840 --> 01:23:26.359 Epoch scratches an itch for me that I enjoy, like 1592 01:23:26.439 --> 01:23:29.279 it's it's it's it's an itch. I like being scratched. 1593 01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:36.720 The problem now is something that's outside of my control. 1594 01:23:37.920 --> 01:23:44.760 Is people prior to Bronzebeard's release, and only exacerbated by 1595 01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:49.439 Bronzebeard's release, the population is dropping off, notably on Epoch, 1596 01:23:49.640 --> 01:23:55.279 and it's been frustrating. It's been particularly hard. Not not 1597 01:23:55.359 --> 01:23:57.039 that this is really a big factor and nor something 1598 01:23:57.079 --> 01:23:59.880 that should be, you know, worried about that much, but 1599 01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:02.840 it's been particularly hard at oceanic times, like for prime 1600 01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:05.119 time for US. There's just fucking no one online now 1601 01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:08.279 and I can't get Beg's and I can't you know, 1602 01:24:08.680 --> 01:24:10.279 if I wanted to do Dungeons, it would be a 1603 01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:14.399 bit of a struggle. It's just that five PM to 1604 01:24:14.399 --> 01:24:17.920 ten PM time zone in Oceany primetime for US is 1605 01:24:18.359 --> 01:24:21.039 obviously very early hours of the morning for Europe and 1606 01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:25.199 North America. And that's fine when the server was much 1607 01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:28.000 much larger. It wasn't an issue because, like we said, 1608 01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:29.880 it was a twenty four to seven server, that's great. 1609 01:24:30.119 --> 01:24:32.880 But as that population starts to dwindle, well, now it's 1610 01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:35.640 not a twenty seventh server, and the oceanic community is very, 1611 01:24:35.720 --> 01:24:38.199 very small, and people are walking away under the night 1612 01:24:38.239 --> 01:24:41.479 owls from Europe and North America now aren't there anymore, 1613 01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:44.720 and it's just like tough for us. So I could 1614 01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:47.319 still play during the day and that's fine, but you know, 1615 01:24:47.359 --> 01:24:49.840 it's still going to BG's. It's sixty on my warlock 1616 01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:51.720 and having a good time when I'm in there, but 1617 01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:54.680 it's still all sixty six is and I'm like, oh, 1618 01:24:54.600 --> 01:24:57.439 when are the other sixties getting here? Like I realized that, 1619 01:24:57.520 --> 01:25:00.680 you know, I'm still sixty and got their early and 1620 01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:02.640 I'm waiting on the bulk of the crowd to arrive 1621 01:25:02.720 --> 01:25:06.159 there with me. But it is weird doing constant wars 1622 01:25:06.199 --> 01:25:08.119 on Gulch after wars on Golch in a six B 1623 01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:11.760 six or a seven B seven. Still have fun, don't 1624 01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:14.439 get me wrong, but sort of just wondering when everyone's coming. 1625 01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:18.600 But the problem is that the overall population of Epoch 1626 01:25:18.920 --> 01:25:22.960 has started to notably by all reports, apparently if you 1627 01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:25.920 go by what random redditors say, people do post a 1628 01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:27.920 sensor starter and it seems to be going down and 1629 01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:31.520 down and down and down. And I'm I'm I said 1630 01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:33.760 last week on the show, like I'm not declaring a 1631 01:25:33.800 --> 01:25:36.479 fucking dead server or anything. I think there's still a 1632 01:25:36.520 --> 01:25:39.479 die hard Epoch crowd that are really ready, willing and 1633 01:25:39.560 --> 01:25:42.159 able to see the raid content, and they're farming their 1634 01:25:42.159 --> 01:25:45.199 previous There are still people out there leveling, and that's good. 1635 01:25:45.239 --> 01:25:48.039 I've said to all the Countdown people, don't feel bad 1636 01:25:48.119 --> 01:25:51.960 for continuing two level if you like this game, Countdown, like, 1637 01:25:52.119 --> 01:25:54.359 I have no doubt where as soon as they fucking 1638 01:25:54.399 --> 01:25:58.000 announce that there's raid content coming, we have a raid team, 1639 01:25:58.079 --> 01:26:01.479 we have like you know, probably third thirty sixties more 1640 01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:04.479 in the pipeline, like we will be able to do rate. 1641 01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:07.359 I want to see the raid content on Epoch because 1642 01:26:07.359 --> 01:26:09.800 I'm really intrigued with how they've done it, considering how 1643 01:26:09.840 --> 01:26:14.600 good their dungeon content was. But yes, it is sort 1644 01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:16.960 of hard to deny now that as I say, it's 1645 01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:20.000 outside of our control, but the overall population is dipping 1646 01:26:20.159 --> 01:26:23.520 and it's been a really big shame. It's broken my 1647 01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:25.920 heart little bit because I think it's such a great server, 1648 01:26:26.479 --> 01:26:29.800 and look, there are reasons behind it that are understandable. 1649 01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:32.560 Like I said, the lack of a roadmap last week, 1650 01:26:32.560 --> 01:26:33.800 I said, people are going to start. 1651 01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:35.239 To get very very itchy. 1652 01:26:36.399 --> 01:26:39.399 As Vestige is saying the current Kazan pop right now 1653 01:26:39.479 --> 01:26:43.840 online thirteen forty four. That's still like that. That's fine, 1654 01:26:43.960 --> 01:26:48.359 private server. I think the issue is Vestige. That was 1655 01:26:48.439 --> 01:26:52.600 that number twenty three forty four ten days ago? Like, 1656 01:26:52.680 --> 01:26:56.520 I don't know. I would venture to say something along 1657 01:26:56.560 --> 01:26:58.840 those lines, like I feel like we've gone down one 1658 01:26:58.920 --> 01:27:01.920 hundred or two hundred like every day over the last 1659 01:27:02.199 --> 01:27:04.560 ten to fourteen days. I don't know, but I don't 1660 01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:07.000 want to. I don't want to making it. Sorry, go for. 1661 01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:09.640 It, OULD say, I'm not making a comment on anything. 1662 01:27:09.680 --> 01:27:11.239 I was just saying what was just given a fact? 1663 01:27:11.279 --> 01:27:11.560 Right now? 1664 01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:11.840 Yeah? 1665 01:27:11.880 --> 01:27:13.640 Well, I mean, but I'd love to know your take 1666 01:27:13.680 --> 01:27:16.159 on it. When you see thirteen forty four online right 1667 01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:18.800 now on this date in on Kazan, how does that 1668 01:27:18.840 --> 01:27:19.520 make you feel? 1669 01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:19.680 Do you? 1670 01:27:19.960 --> 01:27:21.119 What do you feel about that number? 1671 01:27:22.359 --> 01:27:22.880 Not great? 1672 01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:23.720 Yeah? 1673 01:27:23.760 --> 01:27:25.359 I think I saw lost. I've seen it was like 1674 01:27:25.359 --> 01:27:29.159 eleven hundred the other day This morning though, when I 1675 01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:32.079 woke up, it was about seventeen hundred, So it seems 1676 01:27:32.079 --> 01:27:35.960 like it's fluctuating somewhere in the middle there, Right, not 1677 01:27:36.079 --> 01:27:38.960 a great feeling, is it is? 1678 01:27:38.960 --> 01:27:42.239 Is Yak right? I'm a little I would have gone 1679 01:27:42.319 --> 01:27:46.560 halfway between Yak's answer and something else. Yak is saying 1680 01:27:46.600 --> 01:27:50.199 that BB probably cut that number in half. I would 1681 01:27:50.239 --> 01:27:53.800 have thought that number prior to BB's release was around 1682 01:27:53.840 --> 01:27:57.560 like seventeen eighteen hundred, But I don't know. 1683 01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:02.119 I think it was a round two k. It was low, okay, 1684 01:28:03.159 --> 01:28:05.359 like about twenty eighteen hundred roughly. 1685 01:28:05.439 --> 01:28:07.359 Yeah, I don't think it was too obviously. 1686 01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:12.159 Yeah, yeah, obviously people are playing Bronze Spirit this weekend, 1687 01:28:12.199 --> 01:28:12.960 trying it down stuff. 1688 01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:13.159 Yah. 1689 01:28:13.199 --> 01:28:13.560 Yeah, yeah. 1690 01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:16.199 You can't really put his weekend's numbers into account. But 1691 01:28:16.399 --> 01:28:18.279 I mean, somebody who's jumping on to say, hey, I 1692 01:28:18.319 --> 01:28:20.359 want to go find a dungeon for something like this, 1693 01:28:20.640 --> 01:28:23.399 maybe wait in a while, and people don't like to wait. 1694 01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:26.600 They want to get in there, find something, do the stuff. 1695 01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:28.560 They don't want to sit around for thirty minutes spamming 1696 01:28:28.640 --> 01:28:29.319 looking for group. 1697 01:28:29.720 --> 01:28:33.920 Yeah, there's there's no doubt that Bronzeby's release. He's a massive, 1698 01:28:34.119 --> 01:28:39.199 like you know, hamstringing of Apolk to say the fucking least, 1699 01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:42.399 don't you think it's good? 1700 01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:44.479 Can I add something to this? 1701 01:28:44.640 --> 01:28:44.840 Yeah? 1702 01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:45.600 Please? Please? 1703 01:28:46.680 --> 01:28:50.640 Does anyone did anyone play a wild Star back on 1704 01:28:50.720 --> 01:28:55.279 its original on an inception? Because oh yeah, that was 1705 01:28:55.319 --> 01:28:58.479 a long time ago, but yeah, yeah, yeah, because I'm 1706 01:28:58.520 --> 01:29:01.960 seeing a very direct compared and you know, wild Star launched, 1707 01:29:02.039 --> 01:29:05.439 it was buggy, it was rushed, It was a great game. 1708 01:29:05.640 --> 01:29:09.119 It filled that classic difficulty, new stuff to do, different 1709 01:29:09.159 --> 01:29:12.880 combat system. But what they do. They tried to beat 1710 01:29:12.920 --> 01:29:17.039 the release of WAD and in doing so, they shot 1711 01:29:17.079 --> 01:29:20.000 themselves on the foot because they put out an unfinished game. 1712 01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:24.920 They tarnished what they had tried to develop, and it 1713 01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:28.720 just never it just never got past that. And that's 1714 01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:31.199 kind of like I haven't been following either of these servers. 1715 01:29:31.239 --> 01:29:32.760 I kind of just caught up to it the other 1716 01:29:32.840 --> 01:29:36.119 day when I saw the hype and countdown and going on, 1717 01:29:36.239 --> 01:29:39.239 I was like, what the heck's going on? But it 1718 01:29:39.279 --> 01:29:42.760 kind of feels similar to that. It sounds like EPOK 1719 01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:48.039 got kind of pressured by its audience to release something 1720 01:29:48.079 --> 01:29:50.880 that wasn't quite ready. You know, if you want classic plus, 1721 01:29:50.920 --> 01:29:53.079 there better be something plus at the end for people 1722 01:29:53.119 --> 01:29:57.760 to do, and it doesn't sound like it's there, And 1723 01:29:57.800 --> 01:30:00.319 it's one of those things where it's gonna be hard 1724 01:30:00.359 --> 01:30:03.199 to recover if the people that got there or that 1725 01:30:03.239 --> 01:30:04.680 are playing or are like, wow, this is a much 1726 01:30:04.720 --> 01:30:06.800 more polished game. It might not be exactly what I want, 1727 01:30:06.840 --> 01:30:09.479 but there's stuff to do, there's things to find, and 1728 01:30:09.560 --> 01:30:13.439 it's going to be a hard, uphill battle even if 1729 01:30:14.199 --> 01:30:17.640 most people want Epoch to be be their jam, Like, 1730 01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:19.600 I don't know if you're going to get the numbers 1731 01:30:19.680 --> 01:30:23.760 now that you have this server on its heels, it's 1732 01:30:24.239 --> 01:30:25.079 it's tough. 1733 01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:28.880 The bal to kind of catch you up. Basically, what 1734 01:30:28.960 --> 01:30:33.079 happened is Epoch got released, Lizard came along, slapped the 1735 01:30:33.119 --> 01:30:35.560 lawsuit on all the people that were developing Epoch, and 1736 01:30:35.600 --> 01:30:39.640 now it's basically stuck in the water. So that's like 1737 01:30:39.800 --> 01:30:42.399 we probably some stuff probably would have been released if 1738 01:30:42.439 --> 01:30:46.960 the deads were not you know, as. 1739 01:30:47.039 --> 01:30:51.199 As someone posted, as someone posted on the Epoch subreddit yesterday, 1740 01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:54.359 and it's true, like when you just sit down and 1741 01:30:55.760 --> 01:31:01.199 journal and timeline Epochs life cycle. Right now, it is 1742 01:31:01.279 --> 01:31:06.079 a wild story. It is a wild, wild server in 1743 01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:11.640 terms of like the years of development that the you know, 1744 01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:17.199 the server management not being up for obviously being taken 1745 01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:19.600 aback by the amount of interest that came up at 1746 01:31:19.640 --> 01:31:24.399 the last second, swamped at the release, bought by Ascension, 1747 01:31:25.159 --> 01:31:29.079 cease and desist letters sent out, you know, Ascension not 1748 01:31:29.199 --> 01:31:33.560 exactly treating it with the the you know, fucking maybe 1749 01:31:33.560 --> 01:31:37.920 attention that we feel it deserves, and it being in 1750 01:31:37.960 --> 01:31:40.720 a we really weird space. Now it's a it's a 1751 01:31:40.760 --> 01:31:43.640 wild story in private server fucking law. 1752 01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:46.560 That's a bit of a weird one. Like what do 1753 01:31:46.600 --> 01:31:49.439 you even do? What do Ascension do that? Like they've 1754 01:31:49.439 --> 01:31:52.199 bought this thing, There's clearly an interest, there's clearly people 1755 01:31:52.239 --> 01:31:54.800 still playing, there's people that are donating money to them, 1756 01:31:55.079 --> 01:31:57.560 Like I have donated multiple times, even though I've not 1757 01:31:57.600 --> 01:31:59.680 bought anything from the shop because I don't want anything 1758 01:31:59.720 --> 01:32:03.920 in the game. But they've now got a product that 1759 01:32:03.960 --> 01:32:08.199 they're developing that is literally its direct competitor. So what 1760 01:32:08.199 --> 01:32:08.920 do they do with that? 1761 01:32:09.399 --> 01:32:12.000 Well, that's so they have to do anything their competition. 1762 01:32:12.199 --> 01:32:16.520 Well that's it. Well, let's let's talk about it, lads, 1763 01:32:16.560 --> 01:32:18.920 because like I said to you guys a few days ago, 1764 01:32:20.159 --> 01:32:23.239 you know, I said on the podcast that oh, there's 1765 01:32:23.279 --> 01:32:27.560 no way Ascension paid money for Epoch to sentence it 1766 01:32:27.600 --> 01:32:31.159 to death. But I said that in the assumption that 1767 01:32:31.800 --> 01:32:35.760 Ascension paid a decent amount of money for it. I'm like, Oh, 1768 01:32:35.800 --> 01:32:39.680 if they shelled out, you know, fucking really good compensation 1769 01:32:39.880 --> 01:32:42.560 to k Toats for this server, Like, why would they 1770 01:32:42.600 --> 01:32:45.319 pay all that money just to fucking shelve it. But 1771 01:32:45.560 --> 01:32:48.079 one of you guys, you know, raised the very simple 1772 01:32:48.720 --> 01:32:51.039 counterpoint to that that I hadn't even considered because I'm 1773 01:32:51.039 --> 01:32:53.319 a fucking idiot, And You're like, what if they didn't 1774 01:32:53.319 --> 01:32:55.680 pay that much money for it? What if they threw 1775 01:32:55.680 --> 01:32:57.920 a figure out that k Toots just took as a 1776 01:32:57.960 --> 01:33:00.720 lifeline as this salvage of something as the sheep was 1777 01:33:00.760 --> 01:33:04.039 going down, and they it cost them next to nothing, 1778 01:33:04.479 --> 01:33:06.680 and they just bought their competitor, and now they can 1779 01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:09.840 sink it because they did no fucking skin off their back. 1780 01:33:10.079 --> 01:33:12.880 And I'm like, fuck that that is a possibility. That's 1781 01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:14.399 relatively plausible as well. 1782 01:33:16.039 --> 01:33:16.800 The deal could have. 1783 01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:17.439 Just been for. 1784 01:33:19.560 --> 01:33:22.840 So are you going to say it they thought they sorry, 1785 01:33:23.359 --> 01:33:24.800 what was that someone was going to say something? Just 1786 01:33:24.840 --> 01:33:28.600 then go for it? No? 1787 01:33:28.960 --> 01:33:33.159 Yeah, I was saying the deal could have just have been, hey, 1788 01:33:33.319 --> 01:33:36.640 we'll get a cut of future cash Shop revenue from 1789 01:33:36.680 --> 01:33:39.680 the Epoch server for hosting it and doing that stuff. 1790 01:33:39.720 --> 01:33:41.039 That could have been the deal, which means they didn't 1791 01:33:41.039 --> 01:33:43.760 pay anything. Maybe they're going to cut a future revenue 1792 01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:46.560 maybe so they may just tell me everything they put 1793 01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:48.720 into at this point is there's sunk cost, and they 1794 01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:52.960 could just say, you know what, it's not gonna you know, 1795 01:33:53.039 --> 01:33:55.079 hold the money, make the money we want, and walk away. 1796 01:33:55.119 --> 01:33:57.680 They'd be terrible if they did, but they could absolutely 1797 01:33:57.720 --> 01:34:00.520 do that because appears nobody else is going to stop them. 1798 01:34:00.640 --> 01:34:02.600 I think that's what most people are worried about too, 1799 01:34:02.680 --> 01:34:06.920 is that like now that Epoch devs are gone, that 1800 01:34:07.680 --> 01:34:09.439 Epoch is just going to sit there and delay. 1801 01:34:09.479 --> 01:34:11.520 Everyone's going to go to me few a Bronze Beard 1802 01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:12.399 or whatever it is now. 1803 01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:14.720 So I think. 1804 01:34:16.000 --> 01:34:19.079 Turtle like they're more like for me for for me. 1805 01:34:19.159 --> 01:34:21.319 For example, I've got nothing against Bronze Beard. I think 1806 01:34:21.359 --> 01:34:24.800 it it looks, it looks fine. It's just paid a 1807 01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:27.439 win and I'm never going to touch it with the 1808 01:34:27.479 --> 01:34:31.000 cash Shop, But like the actual gameplay and the like, 1809 01:34:31.079 --> 01:34:32.840 the product looks like it's a high quality product. But 1810 01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:37.640 I'm never going to play it. If Epoch you know, 1811 01:34:38.680 --> 01:34:40.520 goes up in smoke, I'm going to turtle. 1812 01:34:40.520 --> 01:34:41.279 I'm not going to. 1813 01:34:41.399 --> 01:34:44.840 Yeah, and that's a viable turtle sitting right there. 1814 01:34:45.920 --> 01:34:49.760 The server was Dwindlane before. Let's not pretend that like 1815 01:34:49.840 --> 01:34:54.000 Bronze Beard is killing Epochs. Population has been going on 1816 01:34:54.079 --> 01:34:57.199 every week because there's no red content, and it's that's 1817 01:34:57.199 --> 01:35:00.479 why it's not like a detraction from Epok's just there's nothing. 1818 01:35:00.600 --> 01:35:01.800 You know, you get the sexty and you can do 1819 01:35:01.840 --> 01:35:03.880 your pre best. For some people like doing their pre 1820 01:35:03.960 --> 01:35:08.079 best grinds. Some people like can't be asked because like 1821 01:35:08.119 --> 01:35:11.000 there's no red contact. So why I'm going to read content? 1822 01:35:11.039 --> 01:35:13.039 So why am I going to grind dungeons other them 1823 01:35:13.079 --> 01:35:16.159 once or twice to see the content, enjoy myself, get 1824 01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:19.840 the sexy, see other dungeons. Cool, had fun. I'm done, 1825 01:35:20.319 --> 01:35:23.119 and you know, play something else. But I think as 1826 01:35:23.119 --> 01:35:25.600 soon as I don't think Bronsburg is what is killing 1827 01:35:25.640 --> 01:35:27.920 or is going to kill eat Park, that's gonna be 1828 01:35:27.920 --> 01:35:28.239 whether or. 1829 01:35:28.239 --> 01:35:30.960 Not it's definitely not the reason. But I think if 1830 01:35:30.960 --> 01:35:33.479 everyone looks at this as like we all enjoy playing, well, 1831 01:35:33.520 --> 01:35:35.920 it doesn't matter what version like it? Where's fun in 1832 01:35:36.560 --> 01:35:38.720 most versions, but pay to win or not, this is 1833 01:35:38.840 --> 01:35:42.840 just a waiting room. Like if everyone's having fun with it, 1834 01:35:43.720 --> 01:35:45.319 why don't we all just jump on together and have 1835 01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:47.359 a bit of fun, enjoy it, and then when Blizzard 1836 01:35:47.399 --> 01:35:50.560 actually pull their finger out, obviously, that's where everyone's gonna 1837 01:35:50.560 --> 01:35:50.960 be going. 1838 01:35:51.039 --> 01:35:53.560 Well that that's sort of a lifelong server for me. 1839 01:35:53.720 --> 01:35:55.640 Yeah, that's sort of been mine attitude as well is 1840 01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:58.479 and this is this is a difference between player attitudes. 1841 01:35:58.520 --> 01:36:03.600 But I'm like, I the epitome of dicking around on 1842 01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:06.920 this server. And like, don't get me wrong, my quote 1843 01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:10.640 unquote dicking around that might equate to a thousand fucking 1844 01:36:10.680 --> 01:36:13.399 hours I don't know, But I'm not taking this server 1845 01:36:13.520 --> 01:36:18.039 too seriously, so I'm not choosing to get overly offended 1846 01:36:18.079 --> 01:36:20.239 by stuff that. Like we said, if Blizzard did it, 1847 01:36:20.239 --> 01:36:22.439 I'd lose my shit. If Blizzard had this shop, I'd 1848 01:36:22.439 --> 01:36:25.239 be going like you fucking crazy cunts, Like I'm out 1849 01:36:25.239 --> 01:36:28.039 of here, what are you doing? But because it's like 1850 01:36:28.520 --> 01:36:31.000 a whack, I don't know, I can't explain this and 1851 01:36:31.039 --> 01:36:33.039 I probably wind up sounding the fuck with myself. But 1852 01:36:33.079 --> 01:36:36.359 I'm like, because it's a whackadoo private server made by 1853 01:36:36.439 --> 01:36:39.199 fucking you know, the craziest people out there who funnel 1854 01:36:39.199 --> 01:36:42.239 all their money off into fucking Russian shell accounts and 1855 01:36:42.279 --> 01:36:44.840 do all this weird shit. And you know, I just 1856 01:36:44.880 --> 01:36:47.960 sort of I just I just find myself just entering 1857 01:36:47.960 --> 01:36:53.399 the world and mucking around in it very lightheartedly. Like 1858 01:36:53.439 --> 01:36:57.159 I just don't like when I see the guy. I 1859 01:36:57.479 --> 01:37:00.359 posted a couple of pictures of the more obnoxious mounts 1860 01:37:00.439 --> 01:37:03.239 that I saw on day one standing next to me 1861 01:37:03.239 --> 01:37:06.359 in Razor Hill and stuff, and I'm like, oh my god, 1862 01:37:06.399 --> 01:37:08.760 look at this one. But I'm not I'm not doing 1863 01:37:08.800 --> 01:37:12.079 that to be like loll this game is fucked. Imagine 1864 01:37:12.119 --> 01:37:14.560 these cunts riding around like this. This is so stupid. 1865 01:37:14.920 --> 01:37:18.239 I'm more just like, wow, this is weird, you know 1866 01:37:18.279 --> 01:37:20.680 what I mean. But like, but I don't care. I'm 1867 01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:23.680 not I'm not like getting angry over it. But it 1868 01:37:24.039 --> 01:37:27.399 is just an odd contrast between this and what we 1869 01:37:27.479 --> 01:37:31.159 just went through with Epoch. But like I understand the 1870 01:37:31.199 --> 01:37:35.039 player like Laz like Yak, who are fucking smart guys. 1871 01:37:35.079 --> 01:37:36.960 They know what they like, they know what they don't like, 1872 01:37:37.000 --> 01:37:39.880 and they've if you're going to hold to your your 1873 01:37:40.079 --> 01:37:42.319 morals in terms of gaming, Like this is a line 1874 01:37:42.359 --> 01:37:45.039 I don't cross in the sand. I totally get that 1875 01:37:45.039 --> 01:37:50.600 that that's fine, but like that's that's the decision they've 1876 01:37:51.199 --> 01:37:55.520 made to stand firm on that principle, whereas you'd be 1877 01:37:55.600 --> 01:37:58.399 more than fine to call me a fuck with for 1878 01:37:58.479 --> 01:38:02.079 wandering away. I share those same principles, but I'm wandering 1879 01:38:02.119 --> 01:38:05.520 away from them in this moment on a server that 1880 01:38:05.560 --> 01:38:08.520 I don't deem to be that serious. If that makes sense, 1881 01:38:08.880 --> 01:38:11.159 you guys could say that's still hypocritical of me. But 1882 01:38:11.279 --> 01:38:13.800 I don't know, is this is this resonating with anyone? 1883 01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:16.880 Yeah, yeah, Josh, I don't think it's principle. 1884 01:38:16.920 --> 01:38:18.920 It's just a preference. I don't. I don't view it 1885 01:38:18.960 --> 01:38:19.880 as like by pencil. 1886 01:38:21.439 --> 01:38:23.920 I don't count preference if you haven't played it. That's 1887 01:38:23.960 --> 01:38:25.079 that's what I don't understand. 1888 01:38:26.199 --> 01:38:26.479 I don't. 1889 01:38:26.840 --> 01:38:27.359 I don't think ye. 1890 01:38:27.439 --> 01:38:29.640 I don't think you might have fun here. 1891 01:38:29.840 --> 01:38:31.680 No, I think I think you can still read about 1892 01:38:31.720 --> 01:38:32.520 it on paper, and. 1893 01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:35.760 As I said, it looks like a high quality product. 1894 01:38:35.760 --> 01:38:38.239 But I don't. I don't play pay to win games. 1895 01:38:38.720 --> 01:38:41.840 Can I can? I ask? What about what about pay 1896 01:38:41.960 --> 01:38:44.880 to win ruins your game? Experience if you're playing with 1897 01:38:44.920 --> 01:38:47.279 your buddies and you're doing the content you want, like, 1898 01:38:47.359 --> 01:38:50.079 what what what about it? Because I've been like I said, 1899 01:38:50.119 --> 01:38:51.840 I was playing gild Wars two for about last two 1900 01:38:51.840 --> 01:38:55.319 months and I am twelve years behind. I had never 1901 01:38:55.359 --> 01:38:59.720 played it before, and how far along people were that 1902 01:39:00.119 --> 01:39:02.399 they run only on a cash shop because there's no 1903 01:39:02.520 --> 01:39:07.600 sub fee, Like none of what people had ruined my 1904 01:39:07.720 --> 01:39:10.359 experience because the game itself is fun and good. I 1905 01:39:10.359 --> 01:39:13.520 don't understand why because someone can buy something in a 1906 01:39:14.439 --> 01:39:17.560 in a cash shop, it ruins how you enjoy a 1907 01:39:17.640 --> 01:39:22.439 game if you're not, I mean, unless they're buying arena 1908 01:39:22.479 --> 01:39:24.359 wins because you want to be a top per. 1909 01:39:24.279 --> 01:39:26.640 I share that. I share that thought as well. 1910 01:39:26.640 --> 01:39:28.880 And I think if, as I was saying to guys yesterday, 1911 01:39:28.920 --> 01:39:32.000 if you can buy something that is more powerful at 1912 01:39:32.039 --> 01:39:34.119 the end of the day to make your character more 1913 01:39:34.159 --> 01:39:36.680 powerful than anybody that to me is paid to win, 1914 01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:39.319 I just want to say to get to that point quicker, 1915 01:39:40.600 --> 01:39:41.119 just before you. 1916 01:39:41.079 --> 01:39:45.880 Die Las Last Last Last's Best Vestige, I want you, 1917 01:39:45.880 --> 01:39:48.239 guys to tee off lads and vestige you go nuts here. 1918 01:39:48.279 --> 01:39:49.840 I just want to say this one quick thing before 1919 01:39:49.880 --> 01:39:53.560 you do. Just as a note, I just have to say, 1920 01:39:53.800 --> 01:39:58.119 I'm just getting like flashbacks now to you know, this 1921 01:39:58.279 --> 01:40:01.439 is almost evolving in not to This is turning into 1922 01:40:01.560 --> 01:40:06.159 the conversation about sorry about my rumor. You know, when 1923 01:40:06.159 --> 01:40:10.359 we talked about gold buying in classic and you get 1924 01:40:10.399 --> 01:40:15.039 people saying things like, oh, but the bots drive down 1925 01:40:15.079 --> 01:40:18.119 the prices like maybe, and you out of nowhere like 1926 01:40:18.199 --> 01:40:21.600 I never thought i'd heart I would hear a defense 1927 01:40:21.680 --> 01:40:24.960 of bots argument. But the community, some members of the 1928 01:40:25.000 --> 01:40:28.359 community started to make it going, actually, maybe bodding is 1929 01:40:28.359 --> 01:40:30.359 a good thing, and people are like, what the fuck? 1930 01:40:30.880 --> 01:40:33.640 And now we're here. You know, a community that for 1931 01:40:34.199 --> 01:40:38.760 fucking years and years and years has generally railed against 1932 01:40:38.840 --> 01:40:41.000 pay to win and the concept of pay to win 1933 01:40:41.079 --> 01:40:45.239 and MMOs. Now we have that moment of a couple 1934 01:40:45.279 --> 01:40:47.239 of people, not a couple, but a small portion of 1935 01:40:47.279 --> 01:40:50.479 the community going like, well, I'll make the argument for 1936 01:40:50.680 --> 01:40:54.439 pay to win. It's bonkers to me, but I'm just 1937 01:40:54.520 --> 01:40:57.000 highlighting that out to like, because there will be people 1938 01:40:57.000 --> 01:40:59.680 listening to the podcast going like, oh, fucking countdown to 1939 01:40:59.680 --> 01:41:01.119 class is pro paid a win? 1940 01:41:01.239 --> 01:41:01.399 Now? 1941 01:41:01.439 --> 01:41:02.560 Is this how far we've come? 1942 01:41:02.880 --> 01:41:03.039 No? 1943 01:41:03.039 --> 01:41:05.760 No, no, I just remember this is different opinions, and 1944 01:41:05.880 --> 01:41:07.319 you know what he is now going to turn into 1945 01:41:07.560 --> 01:41:10.359 two different sides talking about this. Having said that, now, 1946 01:41:10.520 --> 01:41:12.560 lads and Vestage, let me throw it to you guys. 1947 01:41:12.680 --> 01:41:13.319 You go nuts. 1948 01:41:14.960 --> 01:41:17.520 Yeah, I don't really feel like responding. I'll get back 1949 01:41:17.560 --> 01:41:19.800 to what you said, Josh and building your point. I 1950 01:41:19.800 --> 01:41:22.760 don't think bron like Bronsberg, is like killing Epoch or anything. 1951 01:41:22.800 --> 01:41:25.159 I think the people who are playing it good for them. 1952 01:41:25.279 --> 01:41:25.640 I don't. 1953 01:41:25.840 --> 01:41:28.159 I'm not like, oh, I wish they would stay here, like, 1954 01:41:28.720 --> 01:41:32.000 go play what you like, and you know, if I'm 1955 01:41:32.039 --> 01:41:33.439 sure a lot of those pet players will come back 1956 01:41:33.439 --> 01:41:36.439 when if ray content is announced, and I'll stay on 1957 01:41:36.479 --> 01:41:41.279 here still having fun, and as soon as they announced 1958 01:41:41.319 --> 01:41:43.199 ray content, people will be back. So it's not like 1959 01:41:44.119 --> 01:41:46.439 I just don't people who are upset that, you know, 1960 01:41:46.479 --> 01:41:48.920 brons Bear launched. I'm not sure if anyone is, but 1961 01:41:49.600 --> 01:41:51.760 I just think that it's it's kind of just natural. 1962 01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:53.119 There's not a lot of content. 1963 01:41:53.239 --> 01:41:56.560 Everyone's gone through it already, and if you're leveling having fun, 1964 01:41:56.760 --> 01:41:59.079 keep doing it. If you want to trop brons beear, 1965 01:41:59.239 --> 01:42:01.800 go for it looks like a high quality product. I'm 1966 01:42:01.800 --> 01:42:02.399 not going to do. 1967 01:42:02.359 --> 01:42:08.760 It, but okay, wait, Costa, because I want to say 1968 01:42:08.760 --> 01:42:10.840 something as well, Vestig, we're going to say something going 1969 01:42:10.880 --> 01:42:11.199 for it. 1970 01:42:12.560 --> 01:42:14.680 What is the most powerful thing you can buy in 1971 01:42:14.720 --> 01:42:17.840 an mm O. It's not a weapon, it's not gear. 1972 01:42:18.159 --> 01:42:22.119 It's time. With a pay to win, you are buying time, 1973 01:42:22.840 --> 01:42:27.680 whether it's up in your professions, increasing leveling speed, doing 1974 01:42:27.760 --> 01:42:30.600 doing things that help you get to the end faster. 1975 01:42:31.479 --> 01:42:35.479 And that created imbalance in an mm O that I 1976 01:42:35.560 --> 01:42:37.520 just do not like, I do not enjoy. I don't 1977 01:42:37.520 --> 01:42:39.279 think it's fair what I. 1978 01:42:40.279 --> 01:42:45.119 Win with others don't see that is to win. 1979 01:42:48.119 --> 01:42:53.760 But there's also here's here's the thing. Here's here's the 1980 01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:57.439 thing though too. You can turn it off. You don't 1981 01:42:57.479 --> 01:42:57.880 have to. 1982 01:42:59.079 --> 01:43:00.279 I can't turn off other peo people. 1983 01:43:03.399 --> 01:43:05.479 How does that affect you? 1984 01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:06.479 The world affects me? 1985 01:43:07.079 --> 01:43:07.960 What are you? 1986 01:43:08.239 --> 01:43:10.640 They can they can get ourcane crystals and they can 1987 01:43:10.680 --> 01:43:13.079 get black lotuses and like all this ship way faster 1988 01:43:13.159 --> 01:43:14.720 than you and sell them for a way higher than 1989 01:43:14.720 --> 01:43:17.239 they'll ever be ever again because they get them on 1990 01:43:17.319 --> 01:43:19.199 day one, day two and day three, Like, how is that? 1991 01:43:19.239 --> 01:43:21.119 Like not a parent But there's not. 1992 01:43:21.079 --> 01:43:23.399 A single player game. You're playing with other people. You 1993 01:43:23.399 --> 01:43:25.760 interact with other people you interact with economy, you interact 1994 01:43:25.800 --> 01:43:28.640 with everything, and I can't control other people the way 1995 01:43:28.640 --> 01:43:29.000 they play. 1996 01:43:29.079 --> 01:43:32.279 Let me, let me, let me summarize it. Soooo, let 1997 01:43:32.319 --> 01:43:33.960 me because I'm going to incorporate you into this. 1998 01:43:34.239 --> 01:43:35.720 We're not actually into the. 1999 01:43:36.640 --> 01:43:38.880 No, no, we are because this was a big thing 2000 01:43:38.920 --> 01:43:40.960 in the discord through the week, and we need to 2001 01:43:40.960 --> 01:43:42.720 touch it on the podcast because a lot of Countdown 2002 01:43:42.760 --> 01:43:44.840 people were discussing this and going back and forth on 2003 01:43:45.239 --> 01:43:47.720 how do you deem pay to win and what constitutes 2004 01:43:47.800 --> 01:43:49.840 pay to win to you because a lot of people do, 2005 01:43:50.319 --> 01:43:53.720 oddly to me, seem to have different definitions of it. 2006 01:43:53.760 --> 01:43:57.000 And you know, Voodoo, you hunk, and Marcus and I 2007 01:43:57.079 --> 01:43:59.079 got together for a beer and dinner the other night 2008 01:43:59.119 --> 01:44:01.359 and we you know, started off the night with talking 2009 01:44:01.439 --> 01:44:03.600 about this, and you and I had a back and 2010 01:44:03.640 --> 01:44:06.159 forth and you know, we fucking just you know, friendly 2011 01:44:06.199 --> 01:44:10.399 over beers, and I thought, I thought, yeah, you hate me. 2012 01:44:10.680 --> 01:44:13.319 I thought I convinced you. But you're still now raising 2013 01:44:13.359 --> 01:44:15.640 the original argument that I thought I talked you away 2014 01:44:15.680 --> 01:44:19.399 from over that beer. But I'll just say again, like, 2015 01:44:20.720 --> 01:44:23.319 there are a large amount of people out there, and 2016 01:44:23.720 --> 01:44:26.199 I do you know, I'm not having a big dig 2017 01:44:26.239 --> 01:44:28.359 but I find it hard not to refer to it 2018 01:44:28.439 --> 01:44:30.880 as mental gymnastics. So there's a lot of people out 2019 01:44:30.880 --> 01:44:36.920 there that do do the mental gymnastics of stretching away 2020 01:44:37.000 --> 01:44:40.960 from pay to win, and they define it as there's 2021 01:44:40.960 --> 01:44:46.439 two camps. Can I buy a weapon, a kick ass 2022 01:44:46.479 --> 01:44:50.520 weapon with cash and the flow chart goes yes, no, 2023 01:44:51.119 --> 01:44:55.279 Yes equals pay to win, no equals not pay to win. 2024 01:44:56.079 --> 01:45:00.880 That's one camp. Then there's the other camp that's like no, no, no, 2025 01:45:01.359 --> 01:45:05.880 like paying for like we just said, paying for time 2026 01:45:06.199 --> 01:45:11.000 or economic advantage or really any advantage. Is what is 2027 01:45:11.079 --> 01:45:13.800 paid to win in an MMO. It's not just constituted 2028 01:45:13.880 --> 01:45:20.079 by buying your you know, fucking arkanight reaper or whatever 2029 01:45:20.119 --> 01:45:23.319 fucking kick ass weapon you want. There's more to an 2030 01:45:23.439 --> 01:45:26.119 MMO than that, and that's what constitutes pay to win. 2031 01:45:26.399 --> 01:45:32.319 And those two differing arguments are now conflicting quite a bit, 2032 01:45:32.359 --> 01:45:34.600 and it's been this way for years. Quite frankly, this 2033 01:45:34.640 --> 01:45:36.159 is not just a new thing that's come up over 2034 01:45:36.199 --> 01:45:38.760 Bronze Bear. This has been MMO games for years. 2035 01:45:39.000 --> 01:45:42.079 Just happened. It wasn't World Within like one of the 2036 01:45:42.079 --> 01:45:44.560 first expansions they did like three day early access and 2037 01:45:44.560 --> 01:45:47.680 then they like nerved, they nerved like everything like right 2038 01:45:47.720 --> 01:45:50.720 before it went to the you know books, people. 2039 01:45:50.439 --> 01:45:50.840 That did. 2040 01:45:52.319 --> 01:45:55.680 That just happened, they did do that. Yeah, so it 2041 01:45:55.800 --> 01:45:59.279 really comes down to yeah, yeah, so it comes down 2042 01:45:59.319 --> 01:46:06.279 to maybe we'll first tackle this slack. You know, this 2043 01:46:06.319 --> 01:46:08.319 is where I'll throw it to you and ask you 2044 01:46:09.000 --> 01:46:12.159 are you of that crowd that does sort of say 2045 01:46:12.439 --> 01:46:15.520 unless because Voodoo is of this crowd. Unless I'm buying 2046 01:46:15.560 --> 01:46:17.359 a weapon. It's not paid to win. 2047 01:46:18.600 --> 01:46:22.479 Honestly, I'm kind of in between. I'm kind of torn 2048 01:46:22.479 --> 01:46:25.439 on that, especially after this last week of talking to 2049 01:46:25.520 --> 01:46:30.199 you and Easy and everybody else, I'm kind of in 2050 01:46:30.279 --> 01:46:34.680 between on it. I mean kind of torn. Look at 2051 01:46:34.680 --> 01:46:38.000 it like this. So this is kind of the discussion 2052 01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:41.720 we were having earlier before you had popped on. Was 2053 01:46:43.399 --> 01:46:49.520 when Classic released okay twenty nineteen Vanilla Classic releases, they 2054 01:46:49.600 --> 01:46:56.079 offered a collector's edition, correct Classic That collector's edition, yes, 2055 01:46:56.159 --> 01:46:58.800 I don't remember Classic collector's edition that you could pay 2056 01:46:58.840 --> 01:47:03.319 for sixty bucks, fifty bucks or whatever it was. Uh, 2057 01:47:03.600 --> 01:47:07.399 it gave you amount, It gave you a pet, and 2058 01:47:07.439 --> 01:47:09.960 they gave you a couple other little items here and there. 2059 01:47:10.600 --> 01:47:14.960 When TBC Classic released they offered a collector's edition. 2060 01:47:16.760 --> 01:47:19.720 I think I think the I think the first one. 2061 01:47:21.199 --> 01:47:22.760 Well, they they did on the they did on the 2062 01:47:22.800 --> 01:47:27.439 first one, and I remember because I wanted them out. 2063 01:47:28.359 --> 01:47:32.680 But TBC Classic releases this collector's edition and it's also 2064 01:47:32.760 --> 01:47:38.840 got a character boost. Okay, retail's got character boosts. Now, 2065 01:47:38.840 --> 01:47:41.279 we got the Wold token inside a Classic and you 2066 01:47:41.279 --> 01:47:43.640 can also character boost, and you can faction change, and 2067 01:47:43.640 --> 01:47:45.800 you can race change and all that other stuff. So 2068 01:47:45.880 --> 01:47:51.239 my question to those that are making the argument that uh, 2069 01:47:51.760 --> 01:47:54.159 Bronze Beard's pay to win because of all this stuff, 2070 01:47:54.880 --> 01:47:56.960 how many of you guys bought a race change or 2071 01:47:56.960 --> 01:47:57.800 a faction change. 2072 01:47:58.359 --> 01:48:00.560 But that that's fair, that's but that's an an argument. 2073 01:48:00.760 --> 01:48:03.359 It's one thing to say you're hypocrites, versus is the 2074 01:48:03.399 --> 01:48:06.840 boost pay to win? 2075 01:48:05.840 --> 01:48:08.159 It's time time. 2076 01:48:08.319 --> 01:48:11.039 Yeah, yeah, So do you cast it? Do you refer 2077 01:48:11.119 --> 01:48:12.279 to the booster's pay to win? 2078 01:48:13.640 --> 01:48:13.840 Yeah? 2079 01:48:14.560 --> 01:48:15.840 I don't. I don't. 2080 01:48:16.000 --> 01:48:19.039 I don't refer to the pay to win. But those 2081 01:48:19.279 --> 01:48:23.159 those that are sitting here saying that time is being 2082 01:48:23.359 --> 01:48:27.520 taken away and it's a character boost. So you're talking 2083 01:48:27.560 --> 01:48:29.439 about a week's worth of leveling, two weeks worth of 2084 01:48:29.479 --> 01:48:34.439 leveling right, so that time is taken away. Therefore, upon 2085 01:48:34.680 --> 01:48:37.399 their definition of pay to win, that's pay to win. 2086 01:48:38.319 --> 01:48:40.760 I think that's a fair point to raise. Well, there's 2087 01:48:40.760 --> 01:48:42.640 a few things to unpack here, but to bring it 2088 01:48:42.680 --> 01:48:45.800 back to you vestige, if I can and just say, like, 2089 01:48:46.119 --> 01:48:48.159 I think that that's actually pretty good point. Like are 2090 01:48:48.199 --> 01:48:50.560 you being hypocritical if you've brought a boost in the 2091 01:48:50.600 --> 01:48:52.840 past to sit here and be like pay to win sucks. 2092 01:48:52.880 --> 01:48:55.319 I'm not playing this server, but oh I've bought a 2093 01:48:55.359 --> 01:48:56.399 few boosts in Classic. 2094 01:48:57.600 --> 01:48:59.399 No, it's absolutely pay to win. 2095 01:48:59.640 --> 01:48:59.880 How is. 2096 01:49:01.439 --> 01:49:01.960 Pay to win? 2097 01:49:02.239 --> 01:49:04.800 I mean you are, Yeah, but you didn't stop playing 2098 01:49:04.840 --> 01:49:08.279 at TBC if you played through it that it didn't 2099 01:49:08.279 --> 01:49:12.119 it didn't sour the the. 2100 01:49:10.880 --> 01:49:13.000 The time that you play Classic. 2101 01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:16.399 Well, but most people did. Most people went through TVC. 2102 01:49:17.359 --> 01:49:18.279 Yeah, it was a big deal. 2103 01:49:18.960 --> 01:49:19.279 It was. 2104 01:49:19.359 --> 01:49:20.920 It was a really big deal. It got the fucking 2105 01:49:21.000 --> 01:49:23.319 spit Emo band because it was associated with the mount, 2106 01:49:23.399 --> 01:49:25.960 so you knew everybody that bought the boost. It was 2107 01:49:25.960 --> 01:49:28.560 a huge deal. Everyone felt betrayed that they were adding. 2108 01:49:30.039 --> 01:49:30.399 People. 2109 01:49:30.520 --> 01:49:33.359 Still a lot of a lot of Yeah, was a 2110 01:49:33.439 --> 01:49:37.159 game without making you know. 2111 01:49:37.720 --> 01:49:40.399 I don't know anybody that stopped playing because of that, 2112 01:49:41.319 --> 01:49:43.000 and maybe because I'm not in the scene that much, 2113 01:49:43.000 --> 01:49:44.560 but I don't know anybody that stopped playing. 2114 01:49:45.079 --> 01:49:47.399 It all depends where you have to go. I mean 2115 01:49:47.399 --> 01:49:49.680 there was only TEP, there was only TBC Classic at 2116 01:49:49.720 --> 01:49:50.760 the time, so. 2117 01:49:51.720 --> 01:49:56.560 But doesn't have subs. They're not making any money and 2118 01:49:56.640 --> 01:49:59.640 they have some of that. They have some time saving 2119 01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:03.279 things in here to help fund what they're doing. 2120 01:50:03.720 --> 01:50:06.359 Right, I'm not saying the cash is wrong at all. 2121 01:50:06.880 --> 01:50:09.680 But you cannot You're enjoying it because of the. 2122 01:50:09.840 --> 01:50:13.399 Buying right for me, right, And I don't want you 2123 01:50:13.560 --> 01:50:15.920 to get the wrong idea either, because I would prefer 2124 01:50:15.960 --> 01:50:18.960 there would be no shop, zero shop. 2125 01:50:19.000 --> 01:50:19.840 That's my preference. 2126 01:50:20.920 --> 01:50:25.119 Look, I think I think generous that want to waste 2127 01:50:25.119 --> 01:50:27.800 our time, and when there's a thing in a shop 2128 01:50:27.840 --> 01:50:30.439 that someone can buy, it takes away from the like 2129 01:50:30.720 --> 01:50:32.960 twelve hour night that you're going to put into the 2130 01:50:33.000 --> 01:50:35.479 game where you just fucking lose your mind and grind 2131 01:50:35.520 --> 01:50:37.720 and you're so immersed. But if you know that like 2132 01:50:38.039 --> 01:50:40.159 that isn't going to give you an advantage that it 2133 01:50:40.319 --> 01:50:42.720 used to give you, then you're like, how is that 2134 01:50:42.720 --> 01:50:45.560 crazy that you're like less incentivized to like want to just. 2135 01:50:45.520 --> 01:50:49.239 Enjoying itself a twelve hours grinding like that's I enjoy that. 2136 01:50:49.439 --> 01:50:51.640 I don't care to get there. 2137 01:50:52.439 --> 01:50:55.560 Sure, but an MMO is not just the gameplay a vacuum. 2138 01:50:55.640 --> 01:50:59.880 It's the entire It's like your place within the socioeconomic 2139 01:51:00.880 --> 01:51:03.760 you know, population of the game. Like that's all relevant. 2140 01:51:03.760 --> 01:51:05.439 Like how much money that you make in the game 2141 01:51:05.520 --> 01:51:07.600 is relevant, Like how much time you have to do 2142 01:51:07.680 --> 01:51:08.640 content relevant. 2143 01:51:08.920 --> 01:51:09.680 All these things are. 2144 01:51:09.560 --> 01:51:11.560 Real important to you because it's not important to me 2145 01:51:11.600 --> 01:51:12.720 in the slowest. 2146 01:51:13.119 --> 01:51:16.239 Like it sounds like you know, the very self mode 2147 01:51:16.279 --> 01:51:18.960 where with people and you were on your personal lute 2148 01:51:18.960 --> 01:51:21.000 that way, your time is only your time, and how 2149 01:51:21.079 --> 01:51:22.359 what other people do don't affect you? 2150 01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:24.039 Voodoo voo. 2151 01:51:24.239 --> 01:51:30.119 You don't care about the achievements that you get on 2152 01:51:30.159 --> 01:51:30.560 your own. 2153 01:51:31.279 --> 01:51:33.439 What's going on the achievements that you. 2154 01:51:33.399 --> 01:51:35.600 Get on your own, Right, you can compare that against 2155 01:51:35.640 --> 01:51:38.640 other players, Like if you run UBRS twice and they've 2156 01:51:38.640 --> 01:51:41.359 only run it once, you might have more things than them. Right, 2157 01:51:41.439 --> 01:51:44.159 you can directly compare those things to So I'm just 2158 01:51:44.319 --> 01:51:48.600 understanding that this shouldn't be It's not like how you 2159 01:51:48.720 --> 01:51:50.680 enjoy the game. I'm just I'm just speaking from the 2160 01:51:50.720 --> 01:51:53.560 perspective of like this is how I like to play Wow. 2161 01:51:53.600 --> 01:51:56.000 I like to fucking goon out on Wow and just 2162 01:51:56.039 --> 01:51:58.520 play it for sixteen hours because I have nothing better 2163 01:51:58.560 --> 01:52:00.319 to do and I love the game. But if I'm 2164 01:52:00.319 --> 01:52:02.439 gonna do that, I don't want to be doing it 2165 01:52:02.479 --> 01:52:05.960 with other people that can get those advantages that don't 2166 01:52:05.960 --> 01:52:08.359 have that same degenerate mindset, you know what I mean, 2167 01:52:08.560 --> 01:52:12.239 Because all I have is that I'm a degenerate that 2168 01:52:12.279 --> 01:52:14.279 plays Wow, and if I'm gonna be on a server, 2169 01:52:14.520 --> 01:52:16.640 I want that to equal something that like, I feel 2170 01:52:16.640 --> 01:52:18.319 good about at the end of the day. So that's 2171 01:52:18.359 --> 01:52:21.439 the thing that chases people away from games with shops 2172 01:52:21.439 --> 01:52:23.359 that give you an advantage because it's like, well, now 2173 01:52:23.359 --> 01:52:25.359 the only thing that I have in my life, which 2174 01:52:25.399 --> 01:52:27.560 is being a nerd with all this free time, it 2175 01:52:27.560 --> 01:52:30.359 doesn't mean anything because some guy with the job that 2176 01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:32.800 used to be a handicap for games like this can 2177 01:52:32.920 --> 01:52:34.439 just come in and buy all the shit that like 2178 01:52:34.479 --> 01:52:35.760 I'm wasting my life to get. 2179 01:52:35.960 --> 01:52:37.520 Well, they're more of all the nerds. 2180 01:52:37.520 --> 01:52:39.439 We're all nerds. We all know that enjoy it in 2181 01:52:39.439 --> 01:52:41.800 our own little way. But I get what you're saying 2182 01:52:41.840 --> 01:52:44.000 because I do share your passion. That's how I like 2183 01:52:44.039 --> 01:52:46.920 to play. I do like to just degen out and 2184 01:52:47.079 --> 01:52:49.800 and sync myself into it. But if someone wants to 2185 01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:53.079 pay to get there, that doesn't worry me, that doesn't 2186 01:52:53.079 --> 01:52:53.479 bother me. 2187 01:52:53.680 --> 01:52:56.800 That's gonna this is gonna be the same argument that 2188 01:52:56.800 --> 01:52:58.399 a lot of people are gonna have too when it 2189 01:52:58.439 --> 01:53:03.279 comes time for Turtle Wow, because or whoever's going to 2190 01:53:03.319 --> 01:53:08.520 play Turtle whole turt a while I've got a cash shop, Dude. 2191 01:53:07.880 --> 01:53:10.199 Can I can I jump in? Can I jump in? 2192 01:53:10.199 --> 01:53:12.960 For one second? Voodoo? To be fair, I gave your 2193 01:53:13.000 --> 01:53:16.119 I gave you and cast it. I cast it raised 2194 01:53:16.119 --> 01:53:19.439 a really good twoche moment before for the other team, 2195 01:53:19.800 --> 01:53:21.680 But now I'm going to have to raise one on 2196 01:53:21.720 --> 01:53:25.359 their behalf for you. Are you ready for this? You 2197 01:53:25.399 --> 01:53:25.960 still love me? 2198 01:53:26.079 --> 01:53:27.880 Right of course? 2199 01:53:28.000 --> 01:53:32.960 Okay? Very good to be fair on d C. Green's 2200 01:53:33.159 --> 01:53:37.439 points and on what you've said. You know, you, Marcus 2201 01:53:37.479 --> 01:53:41.640 and Hunk and I quit a guild in sod because 2202 01:53:41.680 --> 01:53:44.359 we drew in a line in the sand on gold buying. 2203 01:53:44.640 --> 01:53:47.600 You know, we were like, that's not cool. Our whole 2204 01:53:47.640 --> 01:53:50.960 guild has this inter guild secret gold buying operation that 2205 01:53:51.000 --> 01:53:53.399 we're not on board. With and we g quit and 2206 01:53:53.399 --> 01:53:55.880 we got out of it. We're not gold buyers. We're 2207 01:53:55.880 --> 01:54:01.800 not into it now. To be fair, you're anti gold buying. 2208 01:54:02.000 --> 01:54:04.680 But then if I were to say to you, why 2209 01:54:04.680 --> 01:54:07.560 are you anti gold buying when that guy just chooses 2210 01:54:07.720 --> 01:54:10.079 to cut corners? What effect does that have on you? 2211 01:54:11.560 --> 01:54:17.199 Well, I'm not breaking any tears here, is like, sorry, 2212 01:54:17.199 --> 01:54:19.640 by by buying something from this shop. 2213 01:54:19.920 --> 01:54:21.439 I don't want to be part of a guild. 2214 01:54:21.439 --> 01:54:25.159 That's like, right, So okay, that's fair. So the gold 2215 01:54:25.199 --> 01:54:27.840 buying element had breaking the rules as a part of it, 2216 01:54:27.920 --> 01:54:29.880 so that's yeah, yeah, that's fair. 2217 01:54:29.960 --> 01:54:30.800 Okay, all right. 2218 01:54:32.640 --> 01:54:37.279 Here, yeah, please, I think he needs a lawyer. 2219 01:54:38.640 --> 01:54:41.479 Yeah, so I'm with it. I think it's completely not 2220 01:54:41.479 --> 01:54:43.680 on the overall point, but on this point, I think 2221 01:54:43.680 --> 01:54:47.960 they're completely different. Being a cheater is disgusting. 2222 01:54:48.239 --> 01:54:49.039 Yes, I agree. 2223 01:54:49.079 --> 01:54:51.720 Whether or not you like to win is just a preference. 2224 01:54:51.880 --> 01:54:53.039 It's just very fair. 2225 01:54:53.199 --> 01:54:55.119 It's not a principle of mine. It's just a it's 2226 01:54:55.119 --> 01:54:57.680 just a preference. It's not this is right, this is wrong. 2227 01:54:57.760 --> 01:55:00.520 This is what some people like. Some people we don't like. 2228 01:55:00.560 --> 01:55:04.399 Some people like. Pay for convenience totally, okay, pay for power, 2229 01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:07.319 not Okay, some people like both. Some people just like 2230 01:55:07.319 --> 01:55:10.079 pay for cosmetics. It's not to me, it's not like 2231 01:55:10.159 --> 01:55:13.640 this like moral stand. It's just I don't want to play. 2232 01:55:13.760 --> 01:55:16.239 No, I agree, it's a very fair point. Voodovoo Voodoo 2233 01:55:16.239 --> 01:55:20.119 brought up as well. It's the perfect counterpoint. I withdraw 2234 01:55:20.239 --> 01:55:21.479 my submission. 2235 01:55:22.079 --> 01:55:30.119 And I maybe maybe sure he's got You know, Josh, 2236 01:55:30.119 --> 01:55:32.039 you often say this, You're very fortunate that you can 2237 01:55:32.039 --> 01:55:35.279 game so much. DC's got sixteen hours that he can 2238 01:55:35.439 --> 01:55:39.840 just like you said djon out, I get three to four. Yeah, 2239 01:55:40.319 --> 01:55:43.479 so I'm inherently at a disadvantage. I don't I don't 2240 01:55:43.479 --> 01:55:44.840 buy a lot of I don't have the money to 2241 01:55:44.880 --> 01:55:47.720 spend I don't have the financial ability to spend money 2242 01:55:47.760 --> 01:55:50.520 on it. But to come into a game where you 2243 01:55:50.600 --> 01:55:53.840 have sixteen hours to play then puts me at a 2244 01:55:53.840 --> 01:55:57.840 disadvantage because you can play more. And so therefore, do 2245 01:55:57.920 --> 01:56:00.239 I not play the game because I don't have have 2246 01:56:00.359 --> 01:56:03.840 the same time investment which you are considering pay to win. 2247 01:56:04.600 --> 01:56:04.680 No. 2248 01:56:04.920 --> 01:56:07.159 I play the game because I like it. The game's fun. 2249 01:56:07.840 --> 01:56:09.800 I don't care that this guy is nerding out for 2250 01:56:09.920 --> 01:56:12.079 sixteen hours a day and has everything in the game. 2251 01:56:12.520 --> 01:56:16.359 Big fucking whoop. I can still join our raid. I 2252 01:56:16.399 --> 01:56:19.319 can go push my buttons. I don't care about parsing. 2253 01:56:19.960 --> 01:56:23.600 Just play the game if it's fun. Like, who cares 2254 01:56:23.600 --> 01:56:26.000 what someone can buy? Who cares how they look? In 2255 01:56:26.079 --> 01:56:27.520 this game? You can actually turn it off other than 2256 01:56:27.520 --> 01:56:29.760 the mounts. I think. Can't turn off the mounts unfortunately, 2257 01:56:30.119 --> 01:56:32.039 but you can turn off all their crazy trans mogs 2258 01:56:32.039 --> 01:56:34.279 and only see the gear they want to wear. Just 2259 01:56:34.319 --> 01:56:36.319 play a game you enjoy and like, if someone can 2260 01:56:36.319 --> 01:56:39.319 put a credit card to it, great, good for them. 2261 01:56:39.600 --> 01:56:41.840 I can't I get three or four hours of play. 2262 01:56:42.000 --> 01:56:44.960 I'll never be at that degon level where I can 2263 01:56:45.079 --> 01:56:46.640 just be the best at everything. 2264 01:56:46.840 --> 01:56:51.399 So just to love it. You go jumping jump in. 2265 01:56:52.640 --> 01:56:56.359 The cosmetics is one thing. But like the fact that 2266 01:56:56.399 --> 01:57:00.039 you can, if I understand correctly, you can buy I 2267 01:57:00.319 --> 01:57:02.600 think that lets you have all the professions. 2268 01:57:02.680 --> 01:57:04.760 That's exactly where I was going. That's exactly where I 2269 01:57:04.800 --> 01:57:05.119 was going. 2270 01:57:05.479 --> 01:57:08.039 I feel like that is an advantage that is just 2271 01:57:08.239 --> 01:57:11.199 completely unnatural, because if you don't swipe your credit card, 2272 01:57:11.239 --> 01:57:12.479 you don't have that opportunity. 2273 01:57:12.800 --> 01:57:18.640 Like you yes you do. You can still auction house 2274 01:57:19.119 --> 01:57:21.840 with gold with in game gold that you grind it. 2275 01:57:22.680 --> 01:57:25.720 Oh yeah, you grind you credit card. 2276 01:57:26.600 --> 01:57:28.640 I also don't pay a stub, so I could say, 2277 01:57:28.640 --> 01:57:30.520 you know what, I want those professions. Maybe I'll drop 2278 01:57:30.560 --> 01:57:32.640 this one time donation and get those things, so I'm 2279 01:57:32.640 --> 01:57:33.840 not at that disadvantage. 2280 01:57:34.840 --> 01:57:37.600 Yeah, but that's that's what I'm trying to say here, 2281 01:57:37.640 --> 01:57:41.079 is that like that sort of advantage is only available 2282 01:57:41.239 --> 01:57:46.840 to the people with either sixteen IROs to play in 2283 01:57:46.960 --> 01:57:50.439 order to grind the gold or buy it. And I 2284 01:57:50.479 --> 01:57:51.279 really really. 2285 01:57:51.159 --> 01:57:54.680 Doubt there's going to be on one end of the spectrum. 2286 01:57:55.079 --> 01:57:57.600 Like that's leaving a very small amount of people. 2287 01:57:59.199 --> 01:58:00.279 That is a human majority. 2288 01:58:00.319 --> 01:58:02.279 I'm going to grind over. 2289 01:58:02.159 --> 01:58:07.560 All again again though again though real quick, how does 2290 01:58:09.800 --> 01:58:13.279 how does somebody having a maxed out profession having the 2291 01:58:13.560 --> 01:58:14.600 advantage over you? 2292 01:58:15.039 --> 01:58:17.399 Economy, I think is what they're Yeah. 2293 01:58:17.239 --> 01:58:20.359 Yeah, I can't. I can't sort of take us at 2294 01:58:20.399 --> 01:58:20.800 that point. 2295 01:58:22.359 --> 01:58:24.439 I just I just I guess I don't understand that. 2296 01:58:24.560 --> 01:58:25.439 I mean, it's. 2297 01:58:26.640 --> 01:58:30.000 Understand that economy. It just it definitely changes economy. 2298 01:58:31.159 --> 01:58:35.319 Understand Yeah, but what what what are you trying to do? 2299 01:58:35.439 --> 01:58:37.600 Be the king pin of the economy? Can you afford 2300 01:58:37.600 --> 01:58:38.640 to do the things you want to do? 2301 01:58:39.119 --> 01:58:39.279 Then? 2302 01:58:39.840 --> 01:58:42.000 But of course some people play like that. Of course 2303 01:58:42.039 --> 01:58:43.560 some people do that, and. 2304 01:58:43.439 --> 01:58:44.920 That's that's what I'm saying before. 2305 01:58:47.079 --> 01:58:50.039 That's probably where our argument is selfish, because some people 2306 01:58:50.199 --> 01:58:52.880 do like to play that part of the game, being 2307 01:58:53.359 --> 01:58:55.760 the you know, economy kings and that sort stuff, which 2308 01:58:55.800 --> 01:58:57.359 is fine. I don't think is any problem with that, 2309 01:58:57.600 --> 01:58:58.520 but it's dude. 2310 01:58:58.520 --> 01:59:02.079 Here's the thing is, like you amount of pearl, you 2311 01:59:02.119 --> 01:59:05.119 need a golden pearl to make your ruined arcaonnite rod Well, 2312 01:59:05.199 --> 01:59:07.840 this guy he got all the professions at level one, 2313 01:59:08.239 --> 01:59:10.159 He's got so much gold that by the time he 2314 01:59:10.199 --> 01:59:11.880 gets sixty, which is going to get faster than you 2315 01:59:11.880 --> 01:59:14.119 because he's got other advantages, He's going to buy out 2316 01:59:14.119 --> 01:59:16.239 all the golden pearls and try and sell them to 2317 01:59:16.279 --> 01:59:18.079 you for a hundred gold apiece. And then what are 2318 01:59:18.119 --> 01:59:19.640 you gonna do? You only need one of. 2319 01:59:19.600 --> 01:59:20.840 Them, but you've got sixty. 2320 01:59:21.359 --> 01:59:24.119 You know what I mean? This is like what happens yea. 2321 01:59:27.399 --> 01:59:30.680 Djon, farm your golden pearls and be done with it, 2322 01:59:30.880 --> 01:59:36.279 Like go farm at yourself like him having control the market, 2323 01:59:36.600 --> 01:59:38.359 you want to go grind for sixty, Now go grind it. 2324 01:59:38.399 --> 01:59:42.479 Then he's like him, him being able to get that 2325 01:59:42.520 --> 01:59:45.239 advantage is an advantage. And then and then that like 2326 01:59:45.279 --> 01:59:48.560 a crew that like you know, compounds because like the 2327 01:59:48.600 --> 01:59:50.479 gold that you earn the quick the quicker you earn 2328 01:59:50.560 --> 01:59:52.239 gold on the server, right, the more that it's worth 2329 01:59:52.239 --> 01:59:54.560 because of how inflation works. So like the longer the 2330 01:59:54.560 --> 01:59:56.720 server that goes on, things get cheaper obviously, right, So 2331 01:59:56.840 --> 02:00:00.159 like I'm just saying that these are no that that 2332 02:00:00.159 --> 02:00:02.199 doesn't matter, But the point is that. 2333 02:00:02.199 --> 02:00:04.159 Like a way to earn gold faster than those people 2334 02:00:04.159 --> 02:00:05.359 that have to farm it and don't do g d 2335 02:00:05.479 --> 02:00:08.000 k P. It's it's actually, yeah, it's an economy ship. 2336 02:00:08.079 --> 02:00:09.640 I agree, But g d k P isn't like a 2337 02:00:09.720 --> 02:00:11.000 thing that you can buy in the shot. And that's 2338 02:00:11.000 --> 02:00:12.920 like mainly what we're talking about. So I'd rather keep 2339 02:00:12.920 --> 02:00:13.520 it focused on it. 2340 02:00:14.640 --> 02:00:17.079 It was a it was a player created way to 2341 02:00:17.199 --> 02:00:17.800 shift golden. 2342 02:00:19.399 --> 02:00:21.399 I'm always I'm aware of what it is, and I've 2343 02:00:21.399 --> 02:00:23.439 stated in my opinions on it on this podcast before. 2344 02:00:23.520 --> 02:00:25.479 I don't want to like, yeah, I don't want to 2345 02:00:25.560 --> 02:00:26.840 drag us into a agent. 2346 02:00:26.560 --> 02:00:29.960 That is like never don't do the GdK thing, please. 2347 02:00:31.119 --> 02:00:32.720 Yeah, I don't want I'm trying to avoid it. 2348 02:00:35.680 --> 02:00:35.880 Let me. 2349 02:00:35.960 --> 02:00:38.000 Let me just let me just certificant amount of money. 2350 02:00:38.560 --> 02:00:42.000 I could justify it. But we're talking eight dollars. Eight 2351 02:00:42.039 --> 02:00:44.760 dollars new prepression. Oh you want to maxim prepession out, 2352 02:00:44.800 --> 02:00:46.239 so you go to grind. I've got to sit there 2353 02:00:46.239 --> 02:00:47.680 and chain in my own gear. River and I but 2354 02:00:47.760 --> 02:00:49.840 I freaking chance and chat now I box like a 2355 02:00:49.880 --> 02:00:56.239 maximum prepassion eight dollars me. I'm sorry, it's a really 2356 02:00:56.319 --> 02:00:58.560 tiny amount of money for being able to do something 2357 02:00:58.680 --> 02:01:01.640 that way. You could have every fifty buck. 2358 02:01:02.439 --> 02:01:05.439 Let me just raise this. We sort of this is 2359 02:01:05.479 --> 02:01:07.479 a great conversation, guys, Thank you so much. I appreciate 2360 02:01:07.520 --> 02:01:10.279 everyone's passion. If I can just throw a back cast 2361 02:01:10.319 --> 02:01:12.279 it eff just to go back on this whole like 2362 02:01:12.319 --> 02:01:15.359 what constitutes pay to win and whatnot, and sort of 2363 02:01:15.359 --> 02:01:16.880 we talked about whether or not it's the buying of 2364 02:01:16.920 --> 02:01:20.119 items or the buying of time and everything. But you know, 2365 02:01:20.199 --> 02:01:24.319 you seem to have a pretty high threshold for what 2366 02:01:24.399 --> 02:01:26.680 you do constitute as pay to win. So i'd sort 2367 02:01:26.680 --> 02:01:28.520 of say, and I brought the same thing up to Voodoo, 2368 02:01:28.560 --> 02:01:33.520 going like, okay, let's say the shop doesn't have items, 2369 02:01:33.520 --> 02:01:35.079 and you're like, well, it doesn't have items, I don't 2370 02:01:35.079 --> 02:01:36.800 really constitute that as pay to win, But like we're 2371 02:01:36.800 --> 02:01:40.800 saying on the economic angle, like DC Green is sort 2372 02:01:40.800 --> 02:01:43.239 of saying, if you are that guy, and these guys exist, 2373 02:01:43.359 --> 02:01:45.760 you know, the sweat lords who will fucking do everything 2374 02:01:45.840 --> 02:01:48.800 to win when they buy all the shit, when they 2375 02:01:48.880 --> 02:01:51.680 buy all the professional slots and they fucking dominate the 2376 02:01:51.680 --> 02:01:53.520 auction house and all that stuff. Or even if it's 2377 02:01:53.560 --> 02:01:57.199 not necessarily the sweat lord, when someone makes their gold 2378 02:01:57.199 --> 02:02:00.000 that they would not have made had they not born 2379 02:02:00.199 --> 02:02:03.560 to the ship and then they use that gold to 2380 02:02:03.880 --> 02:02:07.520 buy the boe weapons on the auction house that they 2381 02:02:07.600 --> 02:02:11.119 never would have come within smelling distance of because they're 2382 02:02:11.119 --> 02:02:15.680 a ship house player. Is that not then like, just 2383 02:02:15.760 --> 02:02:18.159 do the dots start to get connected to pay to win? 2384 02:02:18.279 --> 02:02:19.000 Do you know what I mean? 2385 02:02:20.199 --> 02:02:22.880 I know what your argument is, but that has it's 2386 02:02:23.079 --> 02:02:25.520 never affected me. I've always found what I've wanted to find. 2387 02:02:25.520 --> 02:02:27.680 I've always bought what I've wanted to buy. It just 2388 02:02:27.880 --> 02:02:30.560 I haven't seen it affect me that much. I know 2389 02:02:30.600 --> 02:02:32.239 that the argument there is if the golden pearl is 2390 02:02:32.239 --> 02:02:34.119 one hundred gold because all bones find it all out, 2391 02:02:34.279 --> 02:02:34.760 that's great. 2392 02:02:34.800 --> 02:02:36.800 I'll just I'll just pay the hundred gold. 2393 02:02:36.960 --> 02:02:37.119 Yeah. 2394 02:02:37.159 --> 02:02:39.520 Yeah, but I'm saying like it's it's it's probably a 2395 02:02:39.520 --> 02:02:42.560 shit example, But I'm like, when you're in the battleground 2396 02:02:42.600 --> 02:02:47.359 with people beating your ass and you're losing because their 2397 02:02:47.399 --> 02:02:50.399 equipment is better than yours because they got it because 2398 02:02:50.399 --> 02:02:53.359 of the shop. Now, it's not directly on the shop, 2399 02:02:53.479 --> 02:02:55.880 but they earned the money to buy the good And 2400 02:02:55.760 --> 02:02:58.399 I know there's like, oh Josh, but you can't get 2401 02:02:58.439 --> 02:03:00.960 PVPG that way. I'm just saying in general to say, like, 2402 02:03:01.199 --> 02:03:03.920 I think there was a guy that otherwise would be 2403 02:03:03.960 --> 02:03:06.600 in your wars on gulching greens and be a fucking 2404 02:03:06.680 --> 02:03:11.399 terrible player, is now wearing really decent blues and killing 2405 02:03:11.439 --> 02:03:15.039 you every now and again. Does that bother you? 2406 02:03:15.239 --> 02:03:15.279 No? 2407 02:03:15.399 --> 02:03:18.880 Because I barely come across it, and a belly affects 2408 02:03:18.920 --> 02:03:20.720 me in any way. So it's saying, well, whatever, I 2409 02:03:20.800 --> 02:03:22.520 move on to the next fucking battleground. 2410 02:03:23.239 --> 02:03:24.319 My My problem is. 2411 02:03:24.199 --> 02:03:26.920 Is if if I'm at sixty and I'm in battlegrounds 2412 02:03:27.279 --> 02:03:29.880 and some guy has, like, you know, all the best 2413 02:03:29.880 --> 02:03:32.159 gear you can get, but you can only get that 2414 02:03:32.279 --> 02:03:34.760 gear from buying it, and I can't earn it. That's 2415 02:03:34.760 --> 02:03:36.640 what I have an issue if I can earn it 2416 02:03:36.680 --> 02:03:38.960 and I can just spend a bit more time getting there. Whatever, 2417 02:03:39.000 --> 02:03:40.720 if he wants to get there quicker on him, I 2418 02:03:40.720 --> 02:03:42.079 don't give a shit. That's on you, mate. 2419 02:03:42.239 --> 02:03:42.399 Yep. 2420 02:03:42.479 --> 02:03:45.399 For me, I'm going to enjoy grinding it exactly. 2421 02:03:46.720 --> 02:03:47.279 That's great what. 2422 02:03:48.279 --> 02:03:50.880 It's like for the first For the first two weeks, 2423 02:03:50.920 --> 02:03:54.560 you're going to have a ninety losery and then after 2424 02:03:54.600 --> 02:03:55.239 that it doesn't work. 2425 02:03:56.319 --> 02:03:58.000 That's a number you've plucked out of thin air. It 2426 02:03:58.039 --> 02:03:59.119 doesn't work that way. 2427 02:03:59.399 --> 02:04:02.239 Well, you're talking, You're you're saying a bunch of anecdotal 2428 02:04:02.279 --> 02:04:02.800 stuff too. 2429 02:04:03.560 --> 02:04:05.800 No, I'm just saying that if someone wants to buy 2430 02:04:06.119 --> 02:04:08.760 better gear than me, that that sure. 2431 02:04:08.800 --> 02:04:11.439 But like they're they're gonna like, let's say that they 2432 02:04:11.439 --> 02:04:12.920 can't buy the gear, right, but they can get the 2433 02:04:13.000 --> 02:04:15.520 level sixty two days faster than you, so they can 2434 02:04:15.600 --> 02:04:18.520 run two days worth of ubrs. So they're gonna have 2435 02:04:18.600 --> 02:04:20.960 more power than you in the battleground, which means they're 2436 02:04:20.960 --> 02:04:22.960 gonna win more, which means again we're honor per hour, 2437 02:04:23.000 --> 02:04:26.520 which one you're faster. Okay, I'm just saying like that, 2438 02:04:26.960 --> 02:04:28.680 you know, because I've done that in mop already and 2439 02:04:28.760 --> 02:04:30.279 let me tell you, it fucking sucks. 2440 02:04:30.760 --> 02:04:32.840 It feels like the kind of it feels like the 2441 02:04:32.920 --> 02:04:35.439 kind of thing you'd say you're okay with on paper, 2442 02:04:35.560 --> 02:04:37.359 but when you feel it in practice, Yeah, and then 2443 02:04:37.359 --> 02:04:38.079 you do it and. 2444 02:04:37.960 --> 02:04:40.119 You're like, wow, I actually never want to play this game. 2445 02:04:40.840 --> 02:04:42.720 Wants to fill myself every expansion. 2446 02:04:43.000 --> 02:04:44.840 I'm going through this with a lot of people loosing 2447 02:04:44.920 --> 02:04:46.720 their characters and all that sort of ship and whatever. 2448 02:04:46.840 --> 02:04:49.720 Like it's it's never affected me. I've only cared about 2449 02:04:50.000 --> 02:04:51.800 if I'm having fun at the time. If I'm losing 2450 02:04:51.840 --> 02:04:52.640 like a fair feed battle. 2451 02:04:52.760 --> 02:04:54.600 Sure, you've done it in a curated environment where they 2452 02:04:54.640 --> 02:04:58.279 can't buy power, but like, yeah, but like in this situation, 2453 02:04:58.359 --> 02:05:00.399 we're talking that they can actually buy power. So it's 2454 02:05:00.439 --> 02:05:02.920 like it's gonna be different, your your opinion will be different. 2455 02:05:04.880 --> 02:05:06.880 I don't understand how they're buying power. They're just just 2456 02:05:06.920 --> 02:05:09.319 getting there quicker, right. If someone is getting to sixty 2457 02:05:09.319 --> 02:05:10.960 two days before me, that's not effect. 2458 02:05:12.920 --> 02:05:16.199 You've You've said that you played against like on Blizzard 2459 02:05:16.239 --> 02:05:18.199 servers where people have like boosted and stuff, and it's 2460 02:05:18.199 --> 02:05:20.439 not affected you. And yeah, that's like a curated environment 2461 02:05:20.479 --> 02:05:22.640 where they don't let you buy power. But in an 2462 02:05:22.720 --> 02:05:25.479 example like any of these ascension servers where they're going 2463 02:05:25.560 --> 02:05:27.119 to try and be a little bit more lucrative and 2464 02:05:27.279 --> 02:05:29.760 you know, leaning it with that model, you're gonna be 2465 02:05:29.920 --> 02:05:32.000 going against people that do buy power. And when you 2466 02:05:32.079 --> 02:05:35.119 do have that experience, you're gonna you're gonna be like, Yeah, 2467 02:05:35.159 --> 02:05:38.600 this is a worse experience until you keeck up with that. 2468 02:05:39.119 --> 02:05:40.920 If I'm if I'm in a battleground, I can say 2469 02:05:40.920 --> 02:05:44.199 that someone is able to obtain weapons and arma that 2470 02:05:44.399 --> 02:05:46.800 I cannot obtain just by putting a bit of time in. 2471 02:05:47.079 --> 02:05:48.199 That's when I'll have an issue. 2472 02:05:48.239 --> 02:05:51.239 If they can get that stuff earlier that I can get, 2473 02:05:51.319 --> 02:05:51.920 I don't care. 2474 02:05:52.159 --> 02:05:53.920 I'll jump in now. I'll jump in. I'll jump in 2475 02:05:53.960 --> 02:05:54.640 now because I start. 2476 02:05:55.359 --> 02:05:55.800 I agree. 2477 02:05:56.239 --> 02:05:58.600 Yeah, I was just say start starting to repay. 2478 02:05:58.359 --> 02:06:02.760 Ourselvesattle ground classic example where we didn't have a cash shop. 2479 02:06:03.359 --> 02:06:06.239 Did you not play battlegrounds for the for however long 2480 02:06:06.279 --> 02:06:07.960 when the first high war lords got other ship and 2481 02:06:07.960 --> 02:06:09.720 you didn't have it because they had so much more 2482 02:06:09.760 --> 02:06:16.479 power than you, uh time, they have the time to 2483 02:06:16.560 --> 02:06:19.039 invest to get it, and they are more powerful than 2484 02:06:19.039 --> 02:06:21.560 you because they had the degen time to do it. 2485 02:06:21.680 --> 02:06:23.840 And you can't do that. Now you're getting womped on 2486 02:06:23.840 --> 02:06:25.960 about all these hall Warlords begs aren't fun. Did you 2487 02:06:26.000 --> 02:06:27.960 quit playing be GI's the rest of the classic. 2488 02:06:31.039 --> 02:06:32.680 Because you can read with them. 2489 02:06:32.960 --> 02:06:34.039 You put in the time. 2490 02:06:33.920 --> 02:06:34.000 You. 2491 02:06:35.479 --> 02:06:37.119 See, Yeah, you put in the time and raids and 2492 02:06:37.159 --> 02:06:38.479 you got items that are just as good. 2493 02:06:39.359 --> 02:06:41.880 So you about it a different way to get get power. 2494 02:06:43.079 --> 02:06:45.439 Yeah, I mean like we're talking about like they didn't 2495 02:06:45.960 --> 02:06:48.800 the game and the Yeah no, nothing that they get 2496 02:06:48.840 --> 02:06:50.439 in the game that the game allows them to get 2497 02:06:50.520 --> 02:06:54.000 ruins by experience? Why would it? Just like they dedicated 2498 02:06:54.039 --> 02:06:55.960 hours with PvP. I was the guy that did raids 2499 02:06:56.000 --> 02:06:58.239 and I got good gear through raids, so it's like, okay, cool, 2500 02:06:58.279 --> 02:06:59.840 come at me, high WARLERD Like I don't care. 2501 02:07:01.279 --> 02:07:05.239 And then why would guy with the gear that bought 2502 02:07:05.279 --> 02:07:07.039 it and you wamp his ass because he doesn't want 2503 02:07:07.039 --> 02:07:09.000 to play his class and he paid, He paid, He 2504 02:07:09.039 --> 02:07:10.840 paid to get there faster, he didn't pay to win. 2505 02:07:11.159 --> 02:07:14.680 Sure, yeah, sometimes that happens. Yeah, Sure, I'm not denying that. 2506 02:07:15.239 --> 02:07:19.520 It's I don't know, it's a time thing. It's it's 2507 02:07:19.520 --> 02:07:21.039 how you value your time. And if you want to 2508 02:07:21.119 --> 02:07:23.800 value your time farming versus someone who's like I don't 2509 02:07:23.800 --> 02:07:25.399 got time, or maybe you have time and I just 2510 02:07:25.439 --> 02:07:27.439 want to be rich like your time. 2511 02:07:27.840 --> 02:07:30.840 Your example is you're comparing two systems in the game 2512 02:07:30.840 --> 02:07:33.359 that reward your time equally. So like your example isn't 2513 02:07:33.439 --> 02:07:37.439 like achieving the situation that you want, like the argument 2514 02:07:37.479 --> 02:07:39.560 that you want, because like the high warlord in two 2515 02:07:39.600 --> 02:07:41.600 thousand and four and the guy that raided in two 2516 02:07:41.600 --> 02:07:44.159 thousand and four, their time is of equal value doing 2517 02:07:44.199 --> 02:07:46.800 both of those things. So like I can see when 2518 02:07:46.800 --> 02:07:48.119 we then drag it back down to the pay to 2519 02:07:48.159 --> 02:07:51.159 win thing, then yeah, like the whole argument becomes different. 2520 02:07:51.199 --> 02:07:54.119 But like in that scenario, you know, those things are 2521 02:07:54.159 --> 02:07:55.039 both equally valued. 2522 02:07:55.159 --> 02:07:57.760 I never would have the time to go for high warlord. 2523 02:07:57.840 --> 02:07:59.920 That did not stop me from doing battlegrounds when I 2524 02:08:00.000 --> 02:08:02.399 wouldn't have geared to to beat a high warlord. 2525 02:08:03.319 --> 02:08:05.439 Yeah, I know you're the one making that premise. Like 2526 02:08:06.079 --> 02:08:08.840 no one's arguing that you're you're like hypothetically it and 2527 02:08:09.039 --> 02:08:11.159 I'm not, like you know, I'm just trying to tear 2528 02:08:11.199 --> 02:08:13.640 it down because it's not representative of anyone's position. 2529 02:08:15.439 --> 02:08:17.239 It's it's a time thing. That's that's where you're you're 2530 02:08:17.279 --> 02:08:20.399 paying to win. Thing is about time, and there's a time. 2531 02:08:21.039 --> 02:08:25.000 They have other than grinding. It's like, what's your I 2532 02:08:25.000 --> 02:08:25.560 don't get. 2533 02:08:25.439 --> 02:08:27.840 Your That's the time is their currency. They have the 2534 02:08:27.840 --> 02:08:29.920 time to do it. I will never have that currency. 2535 02:08:29.960 --> 02:08:31.560 They are paying their time to get that. 2536 02:08:32.600 --> 02:08:34.840 Yeah, time to get other things. 2537 02:08:34.880 --> 02:08:39.039 So but tom doesn't cost anyone anything, right, like will 2538 02:08:39.039 --> 02:08:39.439 it costs you? 2539 02:08:39.520 --> 02:08:39.800 Time? 2540 02:08:40.800 --> 02:08:41.159 Is time? 2541 02:08:41.279 --> 02:08:42.279 Like like you said, you. 2542 02:08:42.600 --> 02:08:45.199 Have the time to play, Like I don't have the 2543 02:08:45.239 --> 02:08:46.479 time that you have to play. 2544 02:08:46.640 --> 02:08:48.560 So that is the basic contract of the m mL 2545 02:08:48.720 --> 02:08:50.760 is time. The more time you invest in it, the 2546 02:08:50.760 --> 02:08:53.720 more you're rewarded. That the basic contract. 2547 02:08:55.520 --> 02:08:59.039 Gilboard too. It's horizontal progression where time is really out 2548 02:08:59.359 --> 02:09:00.960 about making yourself more powerful. 2549 02:09:01.720 --> 02:09:04.680 If someone wants to get there quicker, like let them. 2550 02:09:05.159 --> 02:09:07.720 I don't see that like it, it doesn't affect. 2551 02:09:09.119 --> 02:09:11.560 We've made the same point five times now, so I'll 2552 02:09:11.640 --> 02:09:15.199 drag us off and maybe this I enjoy. Look a 2553 02:09:15.239 --> 02:09:17.079 few of you listening at home, A lot of you 2554 02:09:17.079 --> 02:09:19.439 will be like riding in going like Josh, everyone's yelling 2555 02:09:19.479 --> 02:09:21.920 over each other. This is shit. I can't fucking understand anything. 2556 02:09:21.960 --> 02:09:23.840 I personally love these chats because, like I say, I 2557 02:09:23.840 --> 02:09:25.720 feel like I'm at the pub. This is everyone with 2558 02:09:25.760 --> 02:09:29.159 the beer in hands and mates getting fiery and going 2559 02:09:29.199 --> 02:09:31.960 back and forth over a really interesting topic. I love 2560 02:09:32.000 --> 02:09:34.199 this kind of shit, so sorry, thank you for indulging 2561 02:09:34.199 --> 02:09:36.479 me while we do that, I take a step back. 2562 02:09:36.680 --> 02:09:39.159 I actually wasn't really I'm not sitting here like not 2563 02:09:39.199 --> 02:09:41.399 doing anything because I'm playing the game. I'm just listening in. 2564 02:09:41.720 --> 02:09:46.079 I'm enjoying it. But we are getting a little bit circular. 2565 02:09:46.199 --> 02:09:48.720 So time for Daddy Josh to come in and say, 2566 02:09:48.760 --> 02:09:51.039 all right, settle down everyone, We'll try and get back 2567 02:09:51.079 --> 02:09:51.520 on track. 2568 02:09:52.720 --> 02:09:55.720 Can I make a slightly tan gential point that other 2569 02:09:55.720 --> 02:09:56.279 people are. 2570 02:09:56.119 --> 02:09:58.199 Making absolutely. 2571 02:09:59.239 --> 02:10:01.239 One thing that's seems to be, like we were talking 2572 02:10:01.239 --> 02:10:05.239 about time. I think if you're able to skip the 2573 02:10:05.439 --> 02:10:08.479 journey in any way, shape or form, you pull away 2574 02:10:08.560 --> 02:10:12.239 from creating an opportunity to communicate engage with other players 2575 02:10:12.279 --> 02:10:15.880 in the game, which is the entire purpose of the MMO. 2576 02:10:16.399 --> 02:10:18.239 And that's I guess my big problem with. 2577 02:10:18.239 --> 02:10:24.359 Any sort of purchasing shop option, not if you've done 2578 02:10:24.359 --> 02:10:29.359 it or not, but you mitigate the engagements with other people. 2579 02:10:30.600 --> 02:10:31.880 That can't be good in an MMO. 2580 02:10:32.239 --> 02:10:34.119 A valid point, but if that's what that person wants 2581 02:10:34.159 --> 02:10:36.720 to do, then that's on them, right, It shouldn't affect you, 2582 02:10:37.439 --> 02:10:38.359 but it does affect you. 2583 02:10:39.800 --> 02:10:40.079 Exist. 2584 02:10:41.439 --> 02:10:41.760 I feel like. 2585 02:10:44.319 --> 02:10:46.199 You've made the same point ten times, so I don't 2586 02:10:46.239 --> 02:10:47.720 want to go back there again. 2587 02:10:47.920 --> 02:10:49.880 More of us that would enjoy that, I think. I 2588 02:10:49.880 --> 02:10:50.520 think we all. 2589 02:10:50.439 --> 02:10:53.319 Enjoy that aspect of the MMO anyway, there's more people 2590 02:10:53.359 --> 02:10:54.479 that do. 2591 02:10:54.800 --> 02:10:58.800 We can't quantify that anyway, It shows in here that 2592 02:10:58.840 --> 02:11:05.239 there is I mean, but then you had Yeah, but 2593 02:11:05.279 --> 02:11:07.079 then you had a But then you had a million 2594 02:11:07.119 --> 02:11:09.760 people play Classic in twenty nineteen without any of this ship. 2595 02:11:10.560 --> 02:11:13.119 So what I'm saying, what I'm what I'm saying is 2596 02:11:13.159 --> 02:11:15.600 that most of us would enjoy to not pay to 2597 02:11:15.600 --> 02:11:17.800 get there quicker and to enjoy the immersive. 2598 02:11:17.359 --> 02:11:17.840 Side of it. 2599 02:11:18.079 --> 02:11:21.600 Right, Okay, Yeah, I'm on board with Yeah. Sorry I 2600 02:11:21.600 --> 02:11:26.560 thought you were saying the opposite. Okay, guys, fuck me, 2601 02:11:26.640 --> 02:11:28.920 my head is spinning. That was very passionate back and forth. 2602 02:11:28.920 --> 02:11:31.800 Where do we even go from here? Who feels what 2603 02:11:32.079 --> 02:11:33.840 haven't we talked about that? We have to talk about? 2604 02:11:34.920 --> 02:11:40.520 Hey, that certain service actually certain server work I said 2605 02:11:40.560 --> 02:11:43.479 there was there was a certain server world first. 2606 02:11:43.920 --> 02:11:47.840 Oh my god, I almost forgot how could I forget? 2607 02:11:48.039 --> 02:11:51.640 Thank you for fucking reminding me. Oh my god. All right, 2608 02:11:53.319 --> 02:11:57.720 saddle up for a tale of triumph countdown listeners. All right, 2609 02:11:57.920 --> 02:12:02.560 so this feels like a lifetime ago. I can't believe 2610 02:12:02.560 --> 02:12:06.359 this is like like fucking a week ago. Oh my god. 2611 02:12:07.079 --> 02:12:11.680 So over on Epoch, they they did finally get off 2612 02:12:11.720 --> 02:12:14.039 their asses and announce some form of new content and 2613 02:12:14.039 --> 02:12:16.000 they go, all right, we'll release the new world boss 2614 02:12:16.159 --> 02:12:19.279 and Volhan is going to patrol the Burning Steps and 2615 02:12:19.479 --> 02:12:21.520 you know, you guys can get your guilds together, your 2616 02:12:21.560 --> 02:12:23.800 raids together and try and take him down. So we 2617 02:12:23.880 --> 02:12:25.399 knew it was going to be a shit show. I 2618 02:12:25.439 --> 02:12:27.800 put together some people and said, look, guys, we've got 2619 02:12:27.840 --> 02:12:29.600 to have a stab. Like we're not going to get it, 2620 02:12:29.640 --> 02:12:31.000 but let's just go and have a look and see 2621 02:12:31.000 --> 02:12:32.760 what this thing's all about. And everyone's like, yeah, fuck yeah, 2622 02:12:32.840 --> 02:12:35.680 let's do it. So we got about I don't know 2623 02:12:35.880 --> 02:12:40.720 fifteen fifteen odd countdown people, fifty five plus going to 2624 02:12:40.760 --> 02:12:43.039 the Burning Steps and we just started. I just started 2625 02:12:43.039 --> 02:12:45.399 inviting everyone because we needed to feel like a forty 2626 02:12:45.439 --> 02:12:49.760 man group. So he filled up to forty and we're 2627 02:12:49.800 --> 02:12:52.600 cross faction and everything Alliance hoard. I didn't give a shit, 2628 02:12:52.640 --> 02:12:54.920 but it's there for a laugh. A guy whispers me 2629 02:12:55.000 --> 02:12:56.920 and goes, lol, what the fuck have you? Like, I'm 2630 02:12:56.960 --> 02:12:58.359 the raid leader, and it's like, what the fuck have 2631 02:12:58.439 --> 02:13:01.520 you done? You're half hoarded, half a lot, like, imagine 2632 02:13:01.520 --> 02:13:03.279 not knowing how this thing. And he had to go 2633 02:13:03.319 --> 02:13:05.399 at me. He's like, imagine not doing the beta and 2634 02:13:05.399 --> 02:13:07.319 not knowing how this thing works, You're not going to 2635 02:13:07.359 --> 02:13:09.479 be able to heal each other. And I'm like, made, 2636 02:13:09.600 --> 02:13:11.359 fuck off. I didn't do the beta, and I'm not 2637 02:13:11.359 --> 02:13:13.000 going to have someone fucking like have a go at 2638 02:13:13.039 --> 02:13:16.119 me for not knowing shit from the beta. Go fuck yourself. So, 2639 02:13:16.720 --> 02:13:19.159 I mean, I still took on board what he said, 2640 02:13:19.199 --> 02:13:20.760 and I said to the guys, look, apparently we're not 2641 02:13:20.760 --> 02:13:22.159 going to be able to heal each other, you know 2642 02:13:22.159 --> 02:13:25.159 if you order Alliance, So let's just make do with 2643 02:13:25.199 --> 02:13:26.960 what we've got and have some fun and fucking I 2644 02:13:27.000 --> 02:13:28.720 really just I just don't care, guys. We're just here 2645 02:13:28.760 --> 02:13:33.399 to dig around. So Volhan comes out and it's this 2646 02:13:33.680 --> 02:13:38.720 huge molten giant and his abilities were bonkers. Vestige will 2647 02:13:38.760 --> 02:13:42.119 explain in greater detail than I will, but it was really, 2648 02:13:42.159 --> 02:13:44.680 really fucking cool to see. It was a war zone. 2649 02:13:45.119 --> 02:13:47.920 People are going for the tag he's one shotting people 2650 02:13:47.920 --> 02:13:50.760 That AoE was insane. I've got screenshots in the discord 2651 02:13:50.800 --> 02:13:54.600 of all these fire missiles just cleaning up groups upon 2652 02:13:54.680 --> 02:13:58.680 groups of people. It was fucking bonkers. PvP is going everywhere. 2653 02:13:58.720 --> 02:14:01.920 I'm getting fucking too shit. You know, when you res 2654 02:14:01.960 --> 02:14:04.720 as a ghost, there's a million people as ghosts jogging 2655 02:14:04.760 --> 02:14:06.800 back to the boss. It was just something really cool 2656 02:14:06.840 --> 02:14:10.039 and unique and fun. A lot of people would say, like, 2657 02:14:10.359 --> 02:14:12.000 not a lot, sorry. Some people will say, oh, this 2658 02:14:12.039 --> 02:14:14.800 is fucking bullshit. World bosses need to be in an instance, 2659 02:14:14.920 --> 02:14:17.520 like they were on SOD or whatever. This is fucked Look, 2660 02:14:17.560 --> 02:14:19.239 I mean, the argument is there for it. But I 2661 02:14:19.239 --> 02:14:23.560 thought this was really cool. So we plod along and 2662 02:14:24.239 --> 02:14:27.720 it was. It was my wife's birthday and I'd woken 2663 02:14:27.800 --> 02:14:29.920 up at five o'clock in the morning to do this thing. 2664 02:14:30.439 --> 02:14:33.359 But eventually, about an hour forty five minutes later, my 2665 02:14:33.399 --> 02:14:36.000 wife wakes up and I'm like, guys, look, we're in 2666 02:14:36.039 --> 02:14:37.760 the middle of the fight, and I'm like, the boss 2667 02:14:37.800 --> 02:14:39.640 is still at ninety five percent health or whatever, and 2668 02:14:39.680 --> 02:14:43.399 it keeps getting fucking you know. Retagged and retagged and 2669 02:14:43.439 --> 02:14:45.239 everyone's killing each other and it was fun for like 2670 02:14:45.279 --> 02:14:47.680 half an hour, and I say, guys, fuck, I'm so sorry. 2671 02:14:47.720 --> 02:14:49.760 I've got to go, you know, family first, got to 2672 02:14:49.800 --> 02:14:52.159 do the birthday thing with the missus. Yeah, no ways, Josh, 2673 02:14:52.159 --> 02:14:54.039 will see you later. I passed the lead over to 2674 02:14:54.119 --> 02:14:56.920 Lazarus and I dip out, just thinking that was that 2675 02:14:56.960 --> 02:14:58.600 they'll they'll have a bit of fun and sort of 2676 02:14:58.600 --> 02:15:03.880 all move on eventually. Now, at this point in the storyline, 2677 02:15:03.880 --> 02:15:07.079 I should probably throw it to you, Vestige and just say, 2678 02:15:07.840 --> 02:15:10.920 before we get to what happened after I left, what 2679 02:15:10.960 --> 02:15:14.239 did you think? What you were initial impressions of the 2680 02:15:14.239 --> 02:15:16.239 collection of people in the zone and the side of 2681 02:15:16.279 --> 02:15:18.520 the boss. 2682 02:15:18.760 --> 02:15:20.840 Well, it got up to be about a thousand people 2683 02:15:21.079 --> 02:15:25.159 in the zone Horder and Alliance, and when, of course 2684 02:15:25.199 --> 02:15:28.159 the Boss came out, we all got PvP flagged and 2685 02:15:28.239 --> 02:15:30.800 the lag was insane, almost couldn't do anything. 2686 02:15:30.960 --> 02:15:33.399 It was terrible. Yeah, but only for a few minutes. 2687 02:15:34.159 --> 02:15:36.119 But yeah, only for a few minutes. It got better 2688 02:15:36.159 --> 02:15:38.279 and got better and got better, and eventually it almost 2689 02:15:38.279 --> 02:15:40.239 didn't feel like there was any difference at all. And 2690 02:15:40.279 --> 02:15:43.000 we still had like seven hundred people, eight people and 2691 02:15:43.039 --> 02:15:45.680 in that zone just just to grab you doing something 2692 02:15:45.720 --> 02:15:47.119 on the back end to improve. 2693 02:15:46.760 --> 02:15:49.199 It absolutely and just to grab you here just I 2694 02:15:49.199 --> 02:15:51.680 don't want to go down this tangent. No extra commentary needed. 2695 02:15:51.760 --> 02:15:55.079 All I'll say is this is another point where it's easy. 2696 02:15:55.199 --> 02:15:58.079 And I got angrier and angrier at Blizzard, as we 2697 02:15:58.119 --> 02:16:02.479 always say, because the privates in real time, within five minutes, 2698 02:16:02.560 --> 02:16:05.119 literally within five minutes, worked out how to have a 2699 02:16:05.159 --> 02:16:07.439 thousand people in a zone or pvping each other with 2700 02:16:07.520 --> 02:16:10.760 no lag. And it was bonkers and Blizzard cannot do 2701 02:16:10.960 --> 02:16:13.479 more than one hundred and fifty for whatever technical reason 2702 02:16:13.520 --> 02:16:16.640 that they use, and it it made me want to scream. 2703 02:16:16.720 --> 02:16:18.119 Anyway back to you Vestige. 2704 02:16:19.079 --> 02:16:22.600 Yeah, absolutely. So we have this insane, huge world PvP 2705 02:16:22.840 --> 02:16:26.319 going on. Wilkins going around throwing out these oars which 2706 02:16:26.359 --> 02:16:30.199 are throwing off missiles everywhere, killing everybody. People are killing 2707 02:16:30.199 --> 02:16:34.159 each other. It's just absolute freaking chaos. So we're just 2708 02:16:34.200 --> 02:16:36.520 going back and forth, killing each other, trying to hit 2709 02:16:36.559 --> 02:16:41.840 the boss. All all kinds of shenanigans are happening. It 2710 02:16:41.879 --> 02:16:44.079 gets the boss gets down to the world boss. You know, 2711 02:16:44.239 --> 02:16:46.159 we're flinging it back and forth between the hoard and alliant, 2712 02:16:46.159 --> 02:16:48.079 it's been tagged by somebody else, and I think we 2713 02:16:48.159 --> 02:16:50.799 got it down to like seventy sixty percent, and then 2714 02:16:50.879 --> 02:16:55.319 the server crashed. So at that point I think a 2715 02:16:55.319 --> 02:16:58.639 lot of people dipped out. I think LAS dipped out 2716 02:16:58.639 --> 02:16:59.600 at that point, right. 2717 02:17:00.159 --> 02:17:01.000 Yeah, that's what I left. 2718 02:17:01.440 --> 02:17:03.200 Yeah, so a lot of people just like, hey, okay, fine, 2719 02:17:03.200 --> 02:17:03.719 we're done. 2720 02:17:03.920 --> 02:17:04.319 So cool. 2721 02:17:05.040 --> 02:17:07.479 Key point of the story at this moment, though, when 2722 02:17:07.600 --> 02:17:11.639 I left, I vividly remember turning it to master Louder. 2723 02:17:12.079 --> 02:17:15.520 When I passed lead to LAS, did that keep Master lout? 2724 02:17:16.959 --> 02:17:17.040 No? 2725 02:17:17.680 --> 02:17:20.559 It changed every timewitch every time you switch LEA. 2726 02:17:20.959 --> 02:17:23.680 Okay I didn't. I didn't realize that, but I mean, besides, 2727 02:17:23.719 --> 02:17:25.639 I passed you lead. I did doubt that was for 2728 02:17:25.639 --> 02:17:27.959 you guys to figure out. But Master Loot is now off. 2729 02:17:29.600 --> 02:17:33.200 Yes, so Master Looter is off, and. 2730 02:17:33.120 --> 02:17:35.399 I think I passed lead to the Vestage. 2731 02:17:35.639 --> 02:17:38.879 Well I don't think you came back, right, No, but. 2732 02:17:39.040 --> 02:17:41.040 I pass passively someone on the gilt. 2733 02:17:41.040 --> 02:17:42.840 I don't know who became lead at this point, I 2734 02:17:43.280 --> 02:17:46.520 honestly don't, but it doesn't really matter. So then the 2735 02:17:46.559 --> 02:17:50.040 server comes back and the whole boss system resets, So 2736 02:17:50.200 --> 02:17:54.680 that means the whole the RP event, everything started over 2737 02:17:54.760 --> 02:17:57.680 again because of the server reset, so we all go 2738 02:17:57.760 --> 02:17:59.719 back again. We're all waiting for the boss to spawn. 2739 02:17:59.799 --> 02:18:03.159 He's spawns, and apparently somebody in our group got the tag. 2740 02:18:03.280 --> 02:18:05.280 I have no idea who it was. I was dead 2741 02:18:05.479 --> 02:18:09.360 at that point, So somebody in our raid got that tag, 2742 02:18:09.920 --> 02:18:11.879 and we didn't know if we actually had it or 2743 02:18:11.879 --> 02:18:13.799 if it was a visual bug. We just kind of 2744 02:18:13.799 --> 02:18:15.479 seed to what happened, and so we just let the 2745 02:18:15.520 --> 02:18:18.920 event play out, and eventually both sides eventually hit the 2746 02:18:18.959 --> 02:18:22.559 boss enough that you know, they killed it and we 2747 02:18:22.559 --> 02:18:23.399 were able to loot. 2748 02:18:23.879 --> 02:18:28.319 Yeah, so Countdown got the fucking world first. 2749 02:18:29.200 --> 02:18:31.319 I'll tell you why best is important, because I do 2750 02:18:31.440 --> 02:18:35.040 remember passing to you Raid led the world first. 2751 02:18:35.879 --> 02:18:38.760 Yeah, there is vestage, ladies and gentlemen. 2752 02:18:39.360 --> 02:18:42.440 All right, I'll add to my resume when I when 2753 02:18:42.440 --> 02:18:43.479 I next next job by a. 2754 02:18:43.520 --> 02:18:45.479 Play Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. Apply for a job 2755 02:18:45.520 --> 02:18:45.719 with that. 2756 02:18:45.840 --> 02:18:46.000 Yeah. 2757 02:18:46.040 --> 02:18:48.040 Do you know I'd Raid led the world first Killer 2758 02:18:48.159 --> 02:18:50.079 kill of vul Chan on. 2759 02:18:50.360 --> 02:18:52.600 A private server World of Warcraft of the game from 2760 02:18:52.600 --> 02:18:54.920 twenty years ago of an offshoot mod version. 2761 02:18:55.000 --> 02:18:58.399 Yeah yeah, oh you're thatstally that would really win the 2762 02:18:58.440 --> 02:19:00.879 ladies over at the bar. Oh my god, yeah, lead 2763 02:19:00.920 --> 02:19:03.079 with that when you're picking up at the bar for sure. 2764 02:19:03.799 --> 02:19:10.239 Yeah, Vegas maybe, yeah. 2765 02:19:07.399 --> 02:19:12.319 Yeah, if I pay him first. So yeah, so then 2766 02:19:13.719 --> 02:19:18.239 it just goes to greed rolls. So everybody's just eating everything. 2767 02:19:18.399 --> 02:19:19.440 So this is important. 2768 02:19:19.520 --> 02:19:21.799 How many countdown people in this rate of forty at 2769 02:19:21.799 --> 02:19:22.200 this point? 2770 02:19:23.479 --> 02:19:24.079 How many are what? 2771 02:19:24.159 --> 02:19:27.000 How many countdown people in this rate of forty people 2772 02:19:27.040 --> 02:19:30.680 at this point after the kill? Oh, I don't know, 2773 02:19:30.879 --> 02:19:32.719 fifteen about fifteen? Okay? 2774 02:19:32.760 --> 02:19:35.799 Yeah, yeah, so I know there's a lot offline people, 2775 02:19:35.920 --> 02:19:38.360 people leaving, so it's hard to tell even who was 2776 02:19:38.399 --> 02:19:39.600 going on. We were all trying. We were just like 2777 02:19:39.639 --> 02:19:41.200 all in shock at this point. Yeah, there was a 2778 02:19:41.239 --> 02:19:42.280 lot of going on. 2779 02:19:42.399 --> 02:19:43.680 So well, I mean, I was gonna say, what was 2780 02:19:43.719 --> 02:19:45.879 the mood in voice chat? You guys must have gone nuts. 2781 02:19:47.200 --> 02:19:49.079 Oh we were all screaming and going crazy. 2782 02:19:49.879 --> 02:19:51.799 That's amazing. All right, So now I'm going to try 2783 02:19:51.840 --> 02:19:54.719 and help set the scene here with a bunch of questions. So, okay, 2784 02:19:54.920 --> 02:19:56.239 so what drops. 2785 02:19:58.000 --> 02:20:01.040 Two handed mace epic maze and like called world breaker 2786 02:20:01.159 --> 02:20:01.440 or something. 2787 02:20:01.520 --> 02:20:03.440 Yeah, it looks insanely good. 2788 02:20:05.399 --> 02:20:07.799 It's look it looks like it's really good. I don't 2789 02:20:07.799 --> 02:20:09.719 think the I think that it's bugged from what I 2790 02:20:09.760 --> 02:20:12.440 think people are telling me that the proc chance wasn't 2791 02:20:12.479 --> 02:20:13.159 working right. 2792 02:20:13.479 --> 02:20:17.319 Okay, but it looks insane the model. The model is 2793 02:20:17.479 --> 02:20:21.520 really cool. So anyway, so that drops, and that's pretty 2794 02:20:21.559 --> 02:20:23.479 much the only cool thing dropped a bunch of other 2795 02:20:23.520 --> 02:20:25.840 ship but the only really good thing was one two 2796 02:20:25.879 --> 02:20:29.559 handed mace weapon, right, and it was like a strength 2797 02:20:29.680 --> 02:20:36.239 stam and what's what's the proc on it? For extra 2798 02:20:36.319 --> 02:20:41.399 chance to create on your next attack within four seconds? Yeah, 2799 02:20:40.559 --> 02:20:45.120 so it's like a you know, is it a fair 2800 02:20:45.159 --> 02:20:48.959 to say it was probably like a feral druids wet 2801 02:20:49.040 --> 02:20:49.879 dream or what. 2802 02:20:51.360 --> 02:20:57.479 Absolutely feral Druid enhanced Shaman warrior palade and it's good. 2803 02:20:58.159 --> 02:21:02.479 Yeah, yeah, Okay, so this thing drops as soon as 2804 02:21:02.520 --> 02:21:05.840 everyone sees the purple pixels. What happens next Vestige. 2805 02:21:07.440 --> 02:21:09.959 Well, everybody's kneeding on it, so we just say, hey, 2806 02:21:09.959 --> 02:21:10.959 everybody need on it. 2807 02:21:11.079 --> 02:21:11.280 Yeah. 2808 02:21:11.280 --> 02:21:13.680 When you say everybody, you mean like all the pugs 2809 02:21:13.719 --> 02:21:14.760 have started to need on it. 2810 02:21:14.879 --> 02:21:17.719 Right, everybody in the group is needing on at this point. 2811 02:21:17.959 --> 02:21:21.680 So we didn't have Master Luteran, so there's no way 2812 02:21:21.719 --> 02:21:23.399 to do anything. So we just all need it. 2813 02:21:23.959 --> 02:21:26.840 And thankfully, back in back in one day, Kate telling 2814 02:21:26.840 --> 02:21:27.799 a story, I got to answer a call. 2815 02:21:29.120 --> 02:21:33.440 Yeah. So thankfully a Countdown person did win the need role. 2816 02:21:33.559 --> 02:21:37.440 Gristle won it. So then we were able to formally 2817 02:21:37.799 --> 02:21:41.520 roll the item off to everybody who actually needed it 2818 02:21:41.559 --> 02:21:44.760 based on their specs. We had I think three people 2819 02:21:45.319 --> 02:21:49.719 roll and we had a enhancement shaman from Countdown who 2820 02:21:49.799 --> 02:21:53.040 won it. I forget the names escaping. 2821 02:21:52.760 --> 02:21:53.479 Me, but. 2822 02:21:54.920 --> 02:21:59.559 Carapy yeah, excuse me one and so he got that 2823 02:21:59.799 --> 02:22:02.799 a'smen shamans running around the server with the two and 2824 02:22:03.280 --> 02:22:05.680 mace blowing people up in a PvP. 2825 02:22:05.840 --> 02:22:09.799 I hope all right, Sorry, I'm back. So did you 2826 02:22:09.840 --> 02:22:13.120 did you talk about the fact that we won the role? 2827 02:22:14.520 --> 02:22:14.760 Yeah? 2828 02:22:14.799 --> 02:22:17.120 So I just said that our guild member won the 2829 02:22:17.200 --> 02:22:20.959 role and Kesby got it, and uh, okay, he's running 2830 02:22:20.959 --> 02:22:24.879 around killing people with it, murdering everybody in sight. There 2831 02:22:25.000 --> 02:22:26.000 was a little bit of drama. 2832 02:22:27.360 --> 02:22:30.920 I don't want to see. Yeah, so what was what was? 2833 02:22:31.079 --> 02:22:33.840 What was the complaint? 2834 02:22:34.440 --> 02:22:34.719 Uh? 2835 02:22:35.280 --> 02:22:41.639 Allegations of ninja ing and uh were thrown about. We 2836 02:22:41.680 --> 02:22:45.120 started getting whispers. I was getting whispers other people were, 2837 02:22:45.319 --> 02:22:49.079 and then we started getting discord messages. From some very 2838 02:22:49.159 --> 02:22:50.719 unhappy people. One specific. 2839 02:22:50.879 --> 02:22:52.799 It was mainly one guy, right. 2840 02:22:54.280 --> 02:22:56.920 I got a few from different people at first, but 2841 02:22:57.079 --> 02:23:01.200 this one guy really really yeah it was in our 2842 02:23:01.200 --> 02:23:03.959 group or what happened or what was going on, but. 2843 02:23:04.239 --> 02:23:08.040 DM everyone with m bombs and fucking bad ship. 2844 02:23:09.639 --> 02:23:13.639 Oh yeah. It's probably some of the worst whispering I've seen, Like, like, really, dude, 2845 02:23:13.680 --> 02:23:17.000 he was mad, mad mad, But everything was done fair. 2846 02:23:17.360 --> 02:23:20.399 We rolled it off. He didn't. If he did roll 2847 02:23:20.440 --> 02:23:22.360 for it and didn't win it, that's on him. That's 2848 02:23:22.479 --> 02:23:25.360 luck of the draw. And you know, that's the way, 2849 02:23:25.399 --> 02:23:26.280 that's the way the dice go. 2850 02:23:26.600 --> 02:23:28.959 I was gonna say, I mean from your retaelling of 2851 02:23:29.000 --> 02:23:31.520 the story, and I invite anyone in the crowd here 2852 02:23:31.559 --> 02:23:35.920 because I genuinely want to know if by the unwritten 2853 02:23:36.159 --> 02:23:38.959 moral and ethical code of World of Warcraft anything was 2854 02:23:39.000 --> 02:23:42.120 done wrong here. But by the sounds of it, this 2855 02:23:42.520 --> 02:23:44.719 was above board. And I'm not just saying that because 2856 02:23:44.719 --> 02:23:47.000 it's fucking our guild, but in all honesty, because I 2857 02:23:47.040 --> 02:23:49.280 wanted to say, I wanted to make sure that we 2858 02:23:49.319 --> 02:23:51.479 didn't fuck around here, that this all happened when I 2859 02:23:51.559 --> 02:23:54.600 went offline or whatever. But in the retailing as Vestige 2860 02:23:54.639 --> 02:23:58.600 says it like, I think that's perfectly fine. And I 2861 02:23:58.719 --> 02:24:03.239 dug through the Epoch discord for everyone's commentary on the event, 2862 02:24:03.879 --> 02:24:07.760 and everyone was like for us and against this douchebag, 2863 02:24:07.840 --> 02:24:10.680 going like they literally did nothing wrong, you fucking idiot. 2864 02:24:11.879 --> 02:24:14.879 Does anyone agree or disagree with the way that this 2865 02:24:15.079 --> 02:24:15.399 was done? 2866 02:24:17.000 --> 02:24:26.280 I think, yeah, screenshots tell it all. I mean, what 2867 02:24:26.479 --> 02:24:28.959 what what were those people going to do that ruled 2868 02:24:29.000 --> 02:24:31.680 need on it, that couldn't even use the damn thing exactly? 2869 02:24:31.959 --> 02:24:35.559 Somebody didn't somebody say there was a major that had 2870 02:24:35.639 --> 02:24:40.680 ruled need on it to Yeah, they rolled on it 2871 02:24:40.799 --> 02:24:42.959 just to say that they had it. Yeah, that's exactly 2872 02:24:43.000 --> 02:24:49.639 what that was. And you know, whether you know if 2873 02:24:49.639 --> 02:24:53.520 they people dropped out a group before having the chance 2874 02:24:53.639 --> 02:24:56.520 to come back and roll on it, you know again 2875 02:24:56.680 --> 02:25:00.959 needed it, you know. Uh sorry, I mean. 2876 02:25:00.799 --> 02:25:02.319 I think at the end of the day, whoever won 2877 02:25:02.399 --> 02:25:05.079 that that mace that got would have message regardless. 2878 02:25:05.600 --> 02:25:09.959 Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I agree. 2879 02:25:10.680 --> 02:25:12.879 I I was so stoked by this by the way. 2880 02:25:12.920 --> 02:25:16.040 I thought this was so fucking funny. I couldn't stop 2881 02:25:16.120 --> 02:25:21.319 laughing that this little dad guild that could countdown fucking 2882 02:25:21.479 --> 02:25:24.440 beat the sweat there were so many sweats there weren't 2883 02:25:24.440 --> 02:25:27.639 there fucking going for it Vestige. 2884 02:25:27.879 --> 02:25:29.959 I had people messaging me like how did you guys 2885 02:25:30.000 --> 02:25:32.079 do it? And I was like, like I had a 2886 02:25:32.120 --> 02:25:35.959 fucking clue what we did? How we did it? Yeah? 2887 02:25:36.200 --> 02:25:39.559 Everyone said it like the whole like zone was fitting 2888 02:25:39.600 --> 02:25:42.959 the boss and we were just like that when I 2889 02:25:42.959 --> 02:25:44.840 could hear it, were just dying and residing and just 2890 02:25:45.399 --> 02:25:47.799 you know, it wasn't only strategy, just the whole server. 2891 02:25:48.079 --> 02:25:49.319 The whole server was killing them. 2892 02:25:49.440 --> 02:25:51.319 Yeah, it was. It was a bit of dumb luck. 2893 02:25:51.520 --> 02:25:53.319 Like it fucking it was a war zone and it 2894 02:25:53.440 --> 02:25:55.520 was dumb luck and we got it, And like I 2895 02:25:55.920 --> 02:25:58.520 just do I do think it's so amazing that like 2896 02:25:58.760 --> 02:26:01.239 the sweaty guilds who were really prepared for this didn't 2897 02:26:01.239 --> 02:26:03.000 get it. But I mean it was just a stupid 2898 02:26:03.079 --> 02:26:03.840 role with the dice. 2899 02:26:05.440 --> 02:26:07.840 That's what world bosses are. They're just pure chaos. 2900 02:26:08.520 --> 02:26:13.360 You response pretty pretty quickly, So so get it. 2901 02:26:13.440 --> 02:26:16.200 Do we put this on our like do we get 2902 02:26:16.200 --> 02:26:19.120 recruits from this? Do we say, like, hey, guys, joint countdown, 2903 02:26:19.200 --> 02:26:21.239 World first Vault chan on Epark. 2904 02:26:24.040 --> 02:26:26.159 I was I was having fun playing with the achievement 2905 02:26:26.159 --> 02:26:28.040 that you got from it. So I was joining groups 2906 02:26:28.040 --> 02:26:30.079 and telling people, I'm like, you're you're lucky. You're in 2907 02:26:30.079 --> 02:26:32.440 a group with people who got the world first kill on. 2908 02:26:32.360 --> 02:26:34.760 This SERI, oh my god, that's sorry. Good I was. 2909 02:26:34.799 --> 02:26:37.639 I was being insufferable for a good twenty four hours. 2910 02:26:37.719 --> 02:26:38.520 Very very good. 2911 02:26:38.600 --> 02:26:39.840 So you how you should have? 2912 02:26:40.319 --> 02:26:40.559 Yeah? 2913 02:26:40.760 --> 02:26:45.360 I agree. More people that messaged me and were angry 2914 02:26:45.360 --> 02:26:45.680 about it. 2915 02:26:45.799 --> 02:26:47.399 Hey on, hay on, hay on, someone was about to 2916 02:26:47.479 --> 02:26:48.440 jump in, go for it. 2917 02:26:50.200 --> 02:26:52.559 I to add in that I know we had that 2918 02:26:53.000 --> 02:26:55.719 the one guy on the actual day of the kill 2919 02:26:55.879 --> 02:26:59.840 that was thrown a foot. In the week following, I 2920 02:27:00.159 --> 02:27:04.440 got probably ten whispers from people that were very upset 2921 02:27:04.440 --> 02:27:10.079 about really. Yeah, well I posted the one in the district. 2922 02:27:10.120 --> 02:27:12.079 You saw it, Josh, and you were pretty much just like, 2923 02:27:12.159 --> 02:27:14.959 let him fucking have it. But I think the last 2924 02:27:14.959 --> 02:27:18.280 one was three days ago, some random guy in West Fall. 2925 02:27:20.520 --> 02:27:24.280 So fucking but have another Like, I don't know what 2926 02:27:24.319 --> 02:27:26.799 this re spawn thing is. It hasn't it been killed 2927 02:27:26.959 --> 02:27:28.079 more since then or not? 2928 02:27:29.559 --> 02:27:32.280 I haven't seen it. I haven't heard about it, but 2929 02:27:33.040 --> 02:27:34.120 at least twice. 2930 02:27:34.520 --> 02:27:38.000 It's gone up at least twice since Yeah, Okay, and 2931 02:27:38.040 --> 02:27:39.799 as I presume it's being killed and other people are 2932 02:27:39.840 --> 02:27:40.879 now getting the loot. 2933 02:27:42.840 --> 02:27:43.440 I would think. 2934 02:27:43.559 --> 02:27:47.280 I mean, yeah, so people, it's just a world first 2935 02:27:47.280 --> 02:27:49.120 thing as opposed to It's not like people are never 2936 02:27:49.159 --> 02:27:52.639 going to get a loot from this thing, but anyway you. 2937 02:27:52.719 --> 02:27:53.559 Take it away from them. 2938 02:27:54.520 --> 02:27:57.559 Oh mate, Well look apparently I can't stop ruining servers. 2939 02:27:57.600 --> 02:27:59.120 You know, I'm ruining Epoch. 2940 02:28:00.159 --> 02:28:00.399 Yeah. 2941 02:28:00.479 --> 02:28:04.159 I steal people's world first, I steal their loot. We 2942 02:28:04.280 --> 02:28:07.879 kill the servers. Yeah, I've ruined Bronze Beard. 2943 02:28:08.079 --> 02:28:08.280 You know. 2944 02:28:08.479 --> 02:28:10.799 I just everything I touched turns the ship. We need 2945 02:28:10.840 --> 02:28:12.319 Marcus here to give it to me. 2946 02:28:13.280 --> 02:28:15.239 Oh he's in Kangaroo Court, that sucker. 2947 02:28:15.680 --> 02:28:18.000 What's Marcus done? Should we start? Should we kick off 2948 02:28:18.360 --> 02:28:19.719 this edition of Kangaroo Court? 2949 02:28:20.680 --> 02:28:22.920 You're telling the story but oh. 2950 02:28:22.719 --> 02:28:24.840 Yeah, sorry, I know the story yours. Yeah, okay, we'll 2951 02:28:24.840 --> 02:28:26.879 do a fun one that's not well related. But guys, 2952 02:28:27.120 --> 02:28:29.600 please think up your Kangaroo Court stories right now, and 2953 02:28:29.639 --> 02:28:31.399 I'll have to browse through the channel to read for 2954 02:28:31.479 --> 02:28:33.840 people who aren't here before. 2955 02:28:34.799 --> 02:28:40.399 Yeah, speaking of killing servers, I just mentioned how. 2956 02:28:44.319 --> 02:28:46.239 You have to speak up. Maybe we can barely hear you. Merk. 2957 02:28:48.399 --> 02:28:49.959 Let me flutter around with. 2958 02:28:51.639 --> 02:28:56.639 All good all good, Yeah, try that to go for. 2959 02:28:56.639 --> 02:29:00.280 It all right. Yeah. I was just saying that as 2960 02:29:00.319 --> 02:29:06.600 a player base are killing Epoch. Bye. I want to 2961 02:29:06.680 --> 02:29:08.159 run a quick question. 2962 02:29:10.479 --> 02:29:15.879 All the people who trained, indeed one did a half 2963 02:29:15.920 --> 02:29:18.840 two months of Epoch, how much money did you drop 2964 02:29:18.879 --> 02:29:22.760 on the cash shop and in a couple of days 2965 02:29:22.920 --> 02:29:26.120 that did much money. 2966 02:29:26.399 --> 02:29:29.639 It's a fair question. I'm guilty. I'll throw myself under 2967 02:29:29.639 --> 02:29:32.639 the bus. I spent zero dollars on the Epoch store, 2968 02:29:32.680 --> 02:29:34.719 even though I gushed and gushed and gushed about it. 2969 02:29:35.159 --> 02:29:37.040 I looked at the store, and I know it's about support. 2970 02:29:37.120 --> 02:29:38.559 I looked at the store. There was nothing there I 2971 02:29:38.600 --> 02:29:40.639 really wanted, so I never bought anything. And I sort 2972 02:29:40.639 --> 02:29:42.879 of said, I actually said to the guys when they 2973 02:29:42.920 --> 02:29:45.719 release a roadmap, I will buy something off the Epoch store. 2974 02:29:46.159 --> 02:29:48.719 And that's kind of the holding pattern that I've been in. 2975 02:29:49.120 --> 02:29:51.639 But then I am guilty. I fucking dove in on 2976 02:29:51.680 --> 02:29:54.600 Bronze Beard and I was a day one purchaser. So like, 2977 02:29:54.639 --> 02:29:56.760 I spent money on the store on day one, and 2978 02:29:56.799 --> 02:29:59.639 I'm sure a fucking squillion other people did as well. 2979 02:29:59.680 --> 02:30:03.399 And that's the point. So you're very fair to call 2980 02:30:03.520 --> 02:30:07.239 people like me out for this, Merkshield, I readily accept 2981 02:30:07.280 --> 02:30:12.440 all your fucking stones and barbs over this one. I 2982 02:30:12.479 --> 02:30:15.239 think it's it's more than fair to call, like, you know, 2983 02:30:15.840 --> 02:30:18.479 if you wanted Epoch to live, maybe you should have 2984 02:30:18.479 --> 02:30:21.799 thrown some money behind it. That that's very fair to say. 2985 02:30:21.840 --> 02:30:24.120 Please don't don't let me stop, you go nuts, call 2986 02:30:24.159 --> 02:30:25.239 me you can't Mark do it? 2987 02:30:25.440 --> 02:30:25.799 Do it? 2988 02:30:27.319 --> 02:30:31.799 I think I hear a bunch of cuts from that, because, uh, 2989 02:30:32.920 --> 02:30:36.120 what in the center are we giving. 2990 02:30:35.879 --> 02:30:44.760 The ascension if in two days of their it's but 2991 02:30:44.959 --> 02:30:47.600 it's more what even Epoch started puts. 2992 02:30:48.440 --> 02:30:50.959 How do you know that the cashier spending on the 2993 02:30:51.040 --> 02:30:54.040 Epoch shop is not going towards developing Bronze spirit since 2994 02:30:54.040 --> 02:30:54.520 it's the same. 2995 02:30:55.520 --> 02:30:57.440 Yeah, we don't. We don't know how it's done. 2996 02:30:57.959 --> 02:31:00.760 I think I think the whole season desisting is made 2997 02:31:00.799 --> 02:31:03.000 people like Josh says, just hold back just to see 2998 02:31:03.040 --> 02:31:03.920 what Epok is doing. 2999 02:31:03.959 --> 02:31:07.639 Because I'm with him. If they do release a roadmap 3000 02:31:07.680 --> 02:31:08.440 of where it's going. 3001 02:31:08.280 --> 02:31:10.000 I would be happy to just spend some money in 3002 02:31:10.000 --> 02:31:12.959 the shop for amount or whatever like that, but I 3003 02:31:13.000 --> 02:31:14.319 want to I want to make sure it's going to 3004 02:31:14.399 --> 02:31:17.159 be there till Lizzard give us what we want. 3005 02:31:18.040 --> 02:31:19.799 I just want to know how much money Brian's Beers 3006 02:31:19.840 --> 02:31:20.879 made in the last forty eight. 3007 02:31:20.799 --> 02:31:24.159 Hours, all the ridiculous, all the money. I fucking bet. 3008 02:31:24.000 --> 02:31:26.559 You imagine how much it's made over the last year. 3009 02:31:26.479 --> 02:31:26.959 And a half. 3010 02:31:27.520 --> 02:31:28.520 What did you spend, Josh? 3011 02:31:28.600 --> 02:31:32.799 What was that thing I spent? What is it that 3012 02:31:33.079 --> 02:31:36.639 the I bought? So I bought the starter pack and 3013 02:31:36.719 --> 02:31:40.159 a few professions, So I spent some money. I fucking 3014 02:31:40.280 --> 02:31:43.000 dropped a hundred bucks. You know, that's fucking stupid money. 3015 02:31:44.120 --> 02:31:46.000 And I've spent forty. So there's one hundred and forty 3016 02:31:46.040 --> 02:31:46.559 with two people. 3017 02:31:46.639 --> 02:31:55.799 First day there you go, oh yeah. 3018 02:31:54.200 --> 02:31:54.760 It's crazy. 3019 02:31:54.920 --> 02:31:58.760 I gave the money the Epoch. I'm just saying, no, 3020 02:31:58.879 --> 02:31:59.479 then there's nothing. 3021 02:31:59.600 --> 02:32:02.000 There's nothing wrong to give the money to Epoch. But 3022 02:32:02.079 --> 02:32:06.959 like Epoch is in such a weird spot right now, 3023 02:32:06.959 --> 02:32:10.959 Like I said, like at this point, we said last 3024 02:32:10.959 --> 02:32:14.760 week on the show to address the itchier players on Epoch, 3025 02:32:15.120 --> 02:32:18.799 a roadmap like does need to be dropped. I had 3026 02:32:18.840 --> 02:32:21.120 a couple of weeks ago I was you know, he's 3027 02:32:21.159 --> 02:32:24.479 sitting here saying to Vestige, mate, it's all fine, Like, 3028 02:32:24.559 --> 02:32:26.879 you know, just play the game and have fun. You know, 3029 02:32:27.440 --> 02:32:29.719 I don't need to be told about a roadmap, like 3030 02:32:29.760 --> 02:32:32.680 it's all good. And then last week I said, all right, 3031 02:32:32.799 --> 02:32:34.920 I might not need to be told about a roadmap, 3032 02:32:35.159 --> 02:32:37.200 but there's a lot of people that do or they're 3033 02:32:37.200 --> 02:32:38.959 going to quit. And this server is starting to be 3034 02:32:39.159 --> 02:32:41.479 bleed players, and these guys need to realize that and 3035 02:32:41.520 --> 02:32:46.040 release the roadmap now because most REMO players are pretty fickle. 3036 02:32:46.760 --> 02:32:49.120 And now we're here a week later, still with no 3037 02:32:49.319 --> 02:32:53.000 roadmap and Bronze Bee it out and it does start like, 3038 02:32:53.120 --> 02:32:55.799 are you trying to kill EPOC on purpose? Like what 3039 02:32:55.920 --> 02:32:58.399 is going on? Because if we're now, then you know, 3040 02:32:58.520 --> 02:33:01.319 recording next week and the week after and the week 3041 02:33:01.319 --> 02:33:03.840 after that, and there's no roadmap for EPOCH, Like it 3042 02:33:03.959 --> 02:33:07.120 is like, what the fuck is going on? At that point? 3043 02:33:07.440 --> 02:33:10.399 I've been chill to now, but I'm starting to, you know, 3044 02:33:10.920 --> 02:33:14.079 grab the collar and go, oh, boys, like what the 3045 02:33:14.079 --> 02:33:14.920 fuck are you doing? 3046 02:33:16.200 --> 02:33:18.840 I think they're not holding it back? What are the 3047 02:33:18.840 --> 02:33:19.639 answers they don't have? 3048 02:33:19.959 --> 02:33:22.159 They don't have a timeline because they don't have a 3049 02:33:22.200 --> 02:33:25.159 depth case because because they didn't plan undeveloping this, they 3050 02:33:25.239 --> 02:33:26.639 planned on just hosting. 3051 02:33:27.840 --> 02:33:32.760 For the guys who aren't playing Bronsbeard or Methew and 3052 02:33:32.840 --> 02:33:36.600 or whatever. If Epoch doesn't give you a roadmap and 3053 02:33:36.680 --> 02:33:38.719 it's obviously looks like it's going to be on its 3054 02:33:38.760 --> 02:33:39.440 way out. 3055 02:33:39.280 --> 02:33:40.360 What will you do from there? 3056 02:33:42.440 --> 02:33:46.079 Just not playing? I think it's pretty cool. 3057 02:33:49.200 --> 02:33:52.959 Battlefield's coming out Voodoo Hey, badfood is I'm all for it. 3058 02:33:53.120 --> 02:33:54.120 You guys are playing on playing? 3059 02:33:54.159 --> 02:33:57.520 Yeah, what's coming out to looks decent? 3060 02:33:57.799 --> 02:33:57.920 Uh? 3061 02:33:58.879 --> 02:34:02.879 The fellowship just like dungeons, especially like dungeons, like wild dungeons. 3062 02:34:03.079 --> 02:34:06.040 Okay, in all seriousness though, like if you do happen 3063 02:34:06.079 --> 02:34:08.280 to be a Battlefield player, yell out in the countdown 3064 02:34:08.319 --> 02:34:10.120 discord because I think there's a few of us that 3065 02:34:10.200 --> 02:34:11.120 will be giving it a go. 3066 02:34:12.959 --> 02:34:14.040 Let's get a squad together. 3067 02:34:14.639 --> 02:34:16.680 Yeah, there you go. 3068 02:34:16.840 --> 02:34:18.200 Do you play Hell Diverse? 3069 02:34:19.479 --> 02:34:21.959 I did when it came out when it was the rage, 3070 02:34:22.040 --> 02:34:26.680 but I got over it pretty quickly. My wife loved it. 3071 02:34:26.680 --> 02:34:27.319 It's fun. 3072 02:34:29.479 --> 02:34:33.760 It was very funny showing my wife Starship Troopers after 3073 02:34:33.920 --> 02:34:36.399 she'd done the Hell Divers thing because she'd never seen 3074 02:34:36.440 --> 02:34:41.399 Starship Troopers and yeah, yeah, yeah, and then fucking and 3075 02:34:41.440 --> 02:34:44.879 then we watched the movie and she's like, hang on, 3076 02:34:45.079 --> 02:34:46.959 and I'm like, yeah, where do you fuck? Where the 3077 02:34:46.959 --> 02:34:50.239 fuck do you think all the inspiration came from? 3078 02:34:50.520 --> 02:34:52.159 Good that you're doing your part. 3079 02:34:52.479 --> 02:34:56.280 Exactly exactly, and she started recognizing all the lines and 3080 02:34:56.319 --> 02:35:00.680 things like that. Yeah, it's funny, but yes, I'll probably 3081 02:35:00.680 --> 02:35:03.959 give Battlefield a quick squeeze as well. I think Ubi 3082 02:35:04.200 --> 02:35:07.440 and nephew Justin will be playing, Voodoo will be playing Best. 3083 02:35:07.479 --> 02:35:08.879 Did your a Battlefield enjoy run? 3084 02:35:10.319 --> 02:35:10.520 Yeah? 3085 02:35:10.520 --> 02:35:13.879 I still I still play Battlefield three, still pull that 3086 02:35:14.000 --> 02:35:15.040 up every now and then again. 3087 02:35:14.920 --> 02:35:15.440 So did you play? 3088 02:35:16.680 --> 02:35:18.239 Did you play B six Beta? 3089 02:35:18.280 --> 02:35:19.000 Then? 3090 02:35:19.319 --> 02:35:19.680 I did? 3091 02:35:19.959 --> 02:35:20.879 I really enjoyed it? 3092 02:35:21.799 --> 02:35:22.760 Okay, Yeah, cool? 3093 02:35:23.200 --> 02:35:26.120 It hit a lot of the spots that I think 3094 02:35:26.159 --> 02:35:28.239 they missed the last couple of times. So I'm very 3095 02:35:28.360 --> 02:35:31.559 much excited for it to see how it's going to go. 3096 02:35:31.600 --> 02:35:35.440 And they've been very receptive of the feedback that's been 3097 02:35:35.479 --> 02:35:38.040 happening with that, so I'm super excited to see what 3098 02:35:38.079 --> 02:35:39.319 the finished product is going to be. 3099 02:35:39.399 --> 02:35:41.959 But back to Voodoo's point, and I think this is 3100 02:35:42.040 --> 02:35:43.440 what he's getting on and what it's fair to say 3101 02:35:43.760 --> 02:35:48.079 for guys like Las, guys like Yak. You know, lads, 3102 02:35:48.399 --> 02:35:49.840 you just said it, but I'll just have to say 3103 02:35:49.840 --> 02:35:53.799 it again, like if for some reason, regrettably Epoch were 3104 02:35:53.879 --> 02:35:55.680 to just go the way at the Dodo when they 3105 02:35:55.719 --> 02:35:57.639 don't release the roadmap and they just let it die 3106 02:35:57.680 --> 02:36:01.959 for whatever fucking god unknown reason, you would then not 3107 02:36:02.239 --> 02:36:04.719 jump to Bronze Beard just for something to play. You 3108 02:36:04.959 --> 02:36:06.799 just take a break from Wow. 3109 02:36:08.280 --> 02:36:11.440 Yeah, I might give Charlo a shot or check it out, right, 3110 02:36:12.920 --> 02:36:15.239 I might just play a battlefield. 3111 02:36:15.239 --> 02:36:16.959 I probably Playattlefield, no matter what. 3112 02:36:17.120 --> 02:36:19.399 Right you can thank for us in Battlefield, it'll be great. 3113 02:36:21.360 --> 02:36:23.760 Yeah, I don't. I don't have to always be playing Wow, 3114 02:36:24.360 --> 02:36:27.200 you know, and sometimes taking breaks from Wow makes me 3115 02:36:27.239 --> 02:36:29.879 want to play Wow more. So it's okay if I 3116 02:36:29.920 --> 02:36:30.600 take a break before. 3117 02:36:31.520 --> 02:36:33.959 Well, have you heard of a game called Rust? 3118 02:36:34.200 --> 02:36:39.600 Oh my god, I don't like I don't like hard drugs. Yeah, 3119 02:36:39.719 --> 02:36:43.399 I don't like playing video games with meth heads. Yeah, 3120 02:36:43.840 --> 02:36:45.760 oh my god. 3121 02:36:46.040 --> 02:36:46.879 League of Legends. 3122 02:36:48.719 --> 02:36:50.799 I'll give a quick shout out while we're doing a 3123 02:36:50.920 --> 02:36:54.600 very small tangent. I know everyone knows about it already, 3124 02:36:54.600 --> 02:36:57.719 and it got all the fucking applause that it deserved. 3125 02:36:57.799 --> 02:37:03.719 But like, if you do like RPGs or you know JRPGs, 3126 02:37:03.920 --> 02:37:08.360 if you haven't played Expedition thirty three, oh my fucking god, play. 3127 02:37:08.159 --> 02:37:11.959 It it's it's I actually played it. I thought it 3128 02:37:12.000 --> 02:37:16.280 was pretty good, but like after act two, I feel 3129 02:37:16.280 --> 02:37:19.520 like it got very stale. I just I really enjoyed 3130 02:37:19.559 --> 02:37:23.399 it was very It was just very save me it. 3131 02:37:23.479 --> 02:37:25.639 Yeah, it doesn't change much. I enjoyed it. 3132 02:37:25.680 --> 02:37:26.280 I thought the. 3133 02:37:26.239 --> 02:37:30.600 Story was very, very, very good, even if it is 3134 02:37:30.719 --> 02:37:33.200 just a fucking massive homage to Final Fantasy ten. 3135 02:37:34.799 --> 02:37:38.920 But the story was super cool. It was just that 3136 02:37:39.159 --> 02:37:41.959 the game, please got it got a little bit stale 3137 02:37:42.000 --> 02:37:42.239 for me. 3138 02:37:42.399 --> 02:37:45.239 Yeah, fair enough, fair enough, I know, I really enjoyed it. Anyway, 3139 02:37:45.639 --> 02:37:48.920 if you like JRPGs, like you know, Final Fantasy seven 3140 02:37:49.000 --> 02:37:52.440 through ten, all that shit, like, please play Expedition thirty three. 3141 02:37:53.040 --> 02:37:57.760 But anyway, all right, guys, back to well unless anyone 3142 02:37:57.760 --> 02:38:00.200 has anyone else got any random game recommendations for the 3143 02:38:00.200 --> 02:38:01.879 Countdown crew if they're doing other shit. 3144 02:38:03.280 --> 02:38:05.239 You have a few Sieve fans in here, don't we? 3145 02:38:05.440 --> 02:38:05.639 Yeah? 3146 02:38:05.680 --> 02:38:05.959 Sure? 3147 02:38:07.280 --> 02:38:09.399 Did you like the fucking new one? 3148 02:38:09.520 --> 02:38:11.840 Seven? 3149 02:38:12.399 --> 02:38:13.440 Seven? Sorry? 3150 02:38:14.360 --> 02:38:15.000 Seven six? 3151 02:38:15.319 --> 02:38:16.079 What is it up to? 3152 02:38:16.440 --> 02:38:17.079 I think it's I. 3153 02:38:17.079 --> 02:38:17.719 Think it's seven. 3154 02:38:17.799 --> 02:38:18.239 I don't know. 3155 02:38:18.920 --> 02:38:20.639 I've watched a lot of I've not played it, but 3156 02:38:20.639 --> 02:38:21.920 I've watched a lot of streams of it. 3157 02:38:23.239 --> 02:38:24.360 Yeah, don't waste your time. 3158 02:38:25.680 --> 02:38:27.520 But they say that about every sieve when it comes out, 3159 02:38:27.559 --> 02:38:29.479 isn't it then it gets good later in the life cycle. 3160 02:38:31.000 --> 02:38:32.440 I don't know a lot of them. I felt like 3161 02:38:32.479 --> 02:38:36.920 I enjoyed straight away, but this one definitely not right. 3162 02:38:37.559 --> 02:38:42.520 Okay, Now, has anyone dicked around with Smite Priest on 3163 02:38:42.879 --> 02:38:49.280 Bronzebeard or not? No, not yet? That's okay, all right, Well, look, 3164 02:38:50.079 --> 02:38:51.840 let's start to wind this one up. Guys, we're two 3165 02:38:51.879 --> 02:38:54.479 and a half hours in. I will just say, if 3166 02:38:54.520 --> 02:38:55.920 we didn't really say it, I should have said this 3167 02:38:55.959 --> 02:38:58.000 at the top. If for some reason you do want 3168 02:38:58.000 --> 02:39:01.639 to play with the Countdown crew on Ascension Bronze Beard, 3169 02:39:02.079 --> 02:39:04.399 we are playing on the Malfurian server. A lot of 3170 02:39:04.399 --> 02:39:06.600 people were fucking that up and rolling on Bronze Beard, 3171 02:39:06.719 --> 02:39:08.959 but we're on the second the overflow server that they 3172 02:39:09.000 --> 02:39:12.600 created Malfurian. There is no doubt that they will combine 3173 02:39:12.639 --> 02:39:14.719 those pretty fucking quickly, so it won't matter in the 3174 02:39:14.719 --> 02:39:16.600 long run. But that's just where we are for now. 3175 02:39:17.719 --> 02:39:20.000 So come and join the guild, just, you know, try 3176 02:39:20.040 --> 02:39:20.479 and find it. 3177 02:39:20.600 --> 02:39:21.000 You have to. 3178 02:39:21.159 --> 02:39:23.159 You can't slash who, so you'll have to find us 3179 02:39:23.159 --> 02:39:24.840 through the discord and ask for an invite. We're trying 3180 02:39:24.840 --> 02:39:28.319 to get as many people in as we can. Guys, 3181 02:39:28.319 --> 02:39:30.000 it's just like I said something, we're dicking around with. 3182 02:39:30.200 --> 02:39:32.840 Anyone got any final thoughts on Bronze Beard. I know 3183 02:39:32.879 --> 02:39:34.239 we've kind of been a bit all over the place 3184 02:39:34.280 --> 02:39:36.360 this one. But anyone want to say anything before we 3185 02:39:36.399 --> 02:39:38.360 wind this one up that they really feel needs to 3186 02:39:38.360 --> 02:39:39.079 be said. 3187 02:39:40.079 --> 02:39:41.360 I have a kangaroo court. 3188 02:39:41.559 --> 02:39:44.200 Oh fuck, we forgot to do kangaroo court. Yes, please go. 3189 02:39:44.440 --> 02:39:47.879 Yeah, it's a bit of a long one. 3190 02:39:48.000 --> 02:39:49.280 No, even better, I'll do it. 3191 02:39:50.000 --> 02:40:00.799 Yeah. So, I Snacks stand before you to appeal unjust 3192 02:40:01.559 --> 02:40:04.239 sentencing kangaroos. 3193 02:40:04.000 --> 02:40:06.280 Lodging of an appeal. It's been done within twenty eight 3194 02:40:06.360 --> 02:40:08.280 days of the charge, I believe, so I'll allow it. 3195 02:40:09.280 --> 02:40:16.159 Yeah, I think so, Ladies and gentlemen of the jury. 3196 02:40:16.680 --> 02:40:20.920 I stand before you today to appeal a great miscarriage 3197 02:40:20.920 --> 02:40:26.680 of justice. I have been vilified by this court, sentenced 3198 02:40:26.719 --> 02:40:30.879 for a crime I don't think I have committed, and 3199 02:40:31.040 --> 02:40:35.479 I have been the victim of slander, libel, and my 3200 02:40:35.760 --> 02:40:37.879 good name has been dragged through the mud. 3201 02:40:38.680 --> 02:40:39.000 Go on. 3202 02:40:41.200 --> 02:40:45.360 I was not even allowed to defend myself while I 3203 02:40:45.399 --> 02:40:50.479 was sentenced nor were my legal counsel even informed of 3204 02:40:50.520 --> 02:40:51.079 my sentence? 3205 02:40:51.399 --> 02:40:54.920 Would you like to remind us what your crime and sentence. 3206 02:40:54.719 --> 02:40:59.520 Was the lack of wind fury in a certain razor 3207 02:40:59.600 --> 02:41:10.360 fundam m Hm. Murkshield was there, he's a witness. But 3208 02:41:10.440 --> 02:41:14.360 I would say, after having confirmed with my legal counsel 3209 02:41:15.280 --> 02:41:18.479 the honorable and most esteemed of the sweat lords, hideous 3210 02:41:18.559 --> 02:41:22.840 John and in Shocks, as well as, of course the 3211 02:41:22.879 --> 02:41:29.360 Great Elements themselves as an honorable shaman, and I cannot 3212 02:41:29.399 --> 02:41:33.120 be guilty of a crime when no crime has been committed. Okay, well, 3213 02:41:33.159 --> 02:41:36.840 for I ask you, is a man not in charge 3214 02:41:36.840 --> 02:41:42.520 of his own destiny? Is a gamer not obligated to 3215 02:41:42.639 --> 02:41:43.959 improve his own deeps? 3216 02:41:45.399 --> 02:41:45.879 Would not. 3217 02:41:47.479 --> 02:41:52.159 Or should not a competent melee dps inquire as to 3218 02:41:52.239 --> 02:41:58.440 the whereabouts of the wind fury? For, as my most 3219 02:41:58.440 --> 02:42:03.040 wise and competent legal counsel have informed me, is winter 3220 02:42:03.360 --> 02:42:11.479 a privilege not a right? Is it not by the 3221 02:42:11.520 --> 02:42:15.040 grace of the Elements that such powerful tools are bequeathed 3222 02:42:15.159 --> 02:42:19.799 to those that are worthy? So I asked you, ladies 3223 02:42:19.840 --> 02:42:23.079 and gentlemen of the jury. Is it not the mealies 3224 02:42:23.479 --> 02:42:24.520 that are at fault? 3225 02:42:25.440 --> 02:42:28.239 So I see you Let me know, this is a 3226 02:42:28.280 --> 02:42:30.799 fantastic speech. You let me know when you're done, sir, 3227 02:42:30.879 --> 02:42:31.680 and I'll jump in. 3228 02:42:32.879 --> 02:42:34.559 I arrest my case. 3229 02:42:35.959 --> 02:42:40.879 That was a right pretty speech, sir. I'm tended to 3230 02:42:40.879 --> 02:42:44.680 move on to But I ask you, what is a contract? Okay? 3231 02:42:44.920 --> 02:42:51.600 So you're saying to the cord that it is not 3232 02:42:52.479 --> 02:42:55.639 a crime upon the caster to not cast a spell, 3233 02:42:56.319 --> 02:43:01.479 but on the recipient of the spells effect to ask 3234 02:43:01.680 --> 02:43:02.120 for it. 3235 02:43:03.760 --> 02:43:04.200 Correct? 3236 02:43:04.559 --> 02:43:06.319 Okay, Okay? 3237 02:43:07.680 --> 02:43:08.479 Can I ask something? 3238 02:43:08.680 --> 02:43:08.920 Yeah? 3239 02:43:10.719 --> 02:43:14.799 Can Snacks know the wind fury totem spell? And he's 3240 02:43:14.840 --> 02:43:17.680 just feigning that, you know, they didn't get it because 3241 02:43:17.680 --> 02:43:19.200 they didn't ask, but he actually didn't know it. 3242 02:43:19.479 --> 02:43:20.120 Had you trained it? 3243 02:43:20.239 --> 02:43:20.559 I had it? 3244 02:43:20.600 --> 02:43:24.200 I had it on my bart Okay, all right, all right, okay, 3245 02:43:24.239 --> 02:43:25.920 they got it for the last few packs. 3246 02:43:26.200 --> 02:43:27.319 So just a selfish shaman. 3247 02:43:27.399 --> 02:43:30.840 Then what were you dropping instead we dropping a different totem? 3248 02:43:30.920 --> 02:43:31.920 Or does no totem at all? 3249 02:43:33.280 --> 02:43:33.879 No totem? 3250 02:43:34.000 --> 02:43:39.760 Oh had man, man, that's not looking good for you. 3251 02:43:41.239 --> 02:43:43.799 I say so was in defense as well as an 3252 02:43:43.799 --> 02:43:47.239 assassination rogue who has to run poisons. I told a 3253 02:43:47.319 --> 02:43:49.920 shaman the other day to stop robbing wind theory because 3254 02:43:49.920 --> 02:43:52.360 it was benefiting No one in the party. 3255 02:43:53.159 --> 02:43:56.159 My point, my favorite was like Snacks is a better 3256 02:43:56.200 --> 02:43:57.200 lawyer than he was a shaman. 3257 02:43:57.399 --> 02:44:03.799 Ah, it does, it does fair. So let me see here. 3258 02:44:03.879 --> 02:44:10.959 You're presuming the Malay players have the intellectual wherewithal to 3259 02:44:11.079 --> 02:44:14.959 check what buffs they're currently benefiting from. 3260 02:44:15.159 --> 02:44:18.040 Yes, well, I mean that. 3261 02:44:18.079 --> 02:44:20.520 Seems to be painting the Malay players with a rather 3262 02:44:20.559 --> 02:44:22.920 broad bush brush, doesn't it. 3263 02:44:23.479 --> 02:44:23.879 Do you have. 3264 02:44:25.920 --> 02:44:26.520 That they should? 3265 02:44:28.680 --> 02:44:29.200 I think. 3266 02:44:31.959 --> 02:44:37.040 Melee players, but a limited capacity for reason knowl to 3267 02:44:37.200 --> 02:44:38.559 take care of them. 3268 02:44:39.040 --> 02:44:41.520 This is where I'm pointing at the Malay players. This 3269 02:44:41.559 --> 02:44:43.479 is where I'm pointing at the Malay players, going like 3270 02:44:43.559 --> 02:44:46.319 this is the classic. If those if those players could read, 3271 02:44:46.399 --> 02:44:48.120 they'd be very upset right now. 3272 02:44:50.040 --> 02:44:53.360 They could counter buffs, they'd be very upset. Yeah, because 3273 02:44:53.360 --> 02:44:55.159 that's the thing. None of them even asked for it 3274 02:44:55.280 --> 02:44:57.399 until I said, oh I forgot to do this thing, 3275 02:44:58.079 --> 02:45:01.000 but I think it should be there. The responsibility, Oh 3276 02:45:01.079 --> 02:45:02.000 this is an interesting one. 3277 02:45:02.040 --> 02:45:04.959 I'm gonna throw this open to the jury. Guys, talk 3278 02:45:05.000 --> 02:45:07.719 amongst yourselves. Who's in the wrong here, the shaman who 3279 02:45:08.040 --> 02:45:10.239 sits on his arse and doesn't drop the totem or 3280 02:45:10.280 --> 02:45:12.079 the Malay for not yelling at him to do so. 3281 02:45:13.879 --> 02:45:16.799 But what was the original accusation that he didn't give 3282 02:45:16.840 --> 02:45:17.200 them win. 3283 02:45:17.159 --> 02:45:18.920 Fury, But they went a whole dungeon with him not 3284 02:45:19.000 --> 02:45:22.159 dropping wind fury until the very end. 3285 02:45:22.200 --> 02:45:22.680 He didn't. 3286 02:45:22.840 --> 02:45:24.920 He did do that though, right, You did have the 3287 02:45:25.000 --> 02:45:29.319 dungeon with the injury, so you eventually started dropping it eventually. 3288 02:45:29.440 --> 02:45:32.600 Yeah, I know I know this, Like, okay, so. 3289 02:45:32.559 --> 02:45:34.360 You went on. You went on a character arc. So 3290 02:45:34.600 --> 02:45:36.040 I think you're not guilty now. 3291 02:45:39.319 --> 02:45:40.879 As a witness, but you. 3292 02:45:40.840 --> 02:45:43.079 Gotta you gotta scrap this attitude about it. You gotta 3293 02:45:43.079 --> 02:45:45.040 be a generous shaman man. You can't people come to 3294 02:45:45.040 --> 02:45:47.440 you for wind fury only that's like literally the only 3295 02:45:47.479 --> 02:45:50.120 reason that your class exist. Get what the fucking program? 3296 02:45:50.159 --> 02:45:51.600 Start dropping wind fury without. 3297 02:45:51.360 --> 02:45:54.520 Being asked, Oh god you we're gonna say. 3298 02:45:55.120 --> 02:45:56.200 Yeah, so with it. 3299 02:45:56.479 --> 02:46:04.360 I have to agree with Stacks that a little a 3300 02:46:04.600 --> 02:46:07.639 damning piece of evidence was that the too Malie was 3301 02:46:07.680 --> 02:46:08.600 two Hundon roams. 3302 02:46:10.399 --> 02:46:12.280 That is a damning piece of evidence. And they had 3303 02:46:12.280 --> 02:46:13.479 poisons on their weapons. 3304 02:46:15.120 --> 02:46:18.520 I didn't I believe your honor, you know what. 3305 02:46:18.959 --> 02:46:20.760 I think that's going to seal it. Actually, if there 3306 02:46:20.760 --> 02:46:24.559 were two rogues in the in the party, who I 3307 02:46:24.680 --> 02:46:28.399 have zero fucking doubt had poisons on and don't have 3308 02:46:28.440 --> 02:46:31.120 the fucking wherewithal to not apply their poisons so that 3309 02:46:31.159 --> 02:46:35.239 they can benefit from win fury. I reckon, I reckon. 3310 02:46:35.280 --> 02:46:38.559 He's in the clear here, because it's kind of like, 3311 02:46:38.639 --> 02:46:41.319 how can you have a crime without a victim? 3312 02:46:41.920 --> 02:46:42.399 Exactly? 3313 02:46:43.520 --> 02:46:47.040 I rule in Snacks's favor. Fuck it. We're were sending 3314 02:46:47.120 --> 02:46:50.399 the previous charge, wiping it off his record, and sir, 3315 02:46:50.600 --> 02:46:53.399 you can apply for costs at the next day. 3316 02:46:54.600 --> 02:46:58.799 Oh likely, all right, I will have the twenty gold 3317 02:46:58.840 --> 02:47:01.760 from the guild bank. Yes, that left. 3318 02:47:02.079 --> 02:47:05.680 Oh my god, he emoji replied to me the other 3319 02:47:05.760 --> 02:47:07.840 day when I told him, go fuck yourself. We sent 3320 02:47:07.879 --> 02:47:09.319 you back your money, you fucking prick. 3321 02:47:11.440 --> 02:47:14.719 So that's where I was sending my what's the word 3322 02:47:14.719 --> 02:47:19.360 in English for for damages? Is that the one? 3323 02:47:19.440 --> 02:47:19.639 Yeah? 3324 02:47:19.639 --> 02:47:23.520 The damages? All right, so piece as well. 3325 02:47:23.760 --> 02:47:24.520 We had it. 3326 02:47:24.639 --> 02:47:27.879 Actually we hadn't the final chapter, hopefully if you will 3327 02:47:28.319 --> 02:47:30.559 chapter in the story of the guy that we kicked 3328 02:47:30.559 --> 02:47:35.520 from the guild where he I think it was easy 3329 02:47:35.559 --> 02:47:39.680 who He was running an alt on epoch and in 3330 02:47:39.719 --> 02:47:44.840 a low level dungeon, and he came across a person 3331 02:47:45.360 --> 02:47:48.520 who was like, oh, hey, you're in countdown. Have you 3332 02:47:48.639 --> 02:47:51.840 heard of player X who we kicked from the guild? 3333 02:47:52.280 --> 02:47:54.879 And Easy was like, oh god, here we go. It's him, 3334 02:47:54.959 --> 02:47:59.600 isn't it? Wait, Easy, are you here? No, that's a right, 3335 02:47:59.600 --> 02:48:04.079 I'll tell the story. So he's sort of rather than 3336 02:48:04.120 --> 02:48:06.520 engaging and going yeah, I know that guy, he just 3337 02:48:06.559 --> 02:48:08.440 played dumb and went like no, no, I don't know 3338 02:48:08.479 --> 02:48:10.760 anything about it. I'm just kind of chilling in the guild. 3339 02:48:11.120 --> 02:48:13.760 And he goes, oh, countdown, Shit, they kicked this guy 3340 02:48:13.799 --> 02:48:18.959 for depositing into the guild bank. He's still trying to 3341 02:48:19.079 --> 02:48:22.000 fucking like, you know, a week or two later, go 3342 02:48:22.079 --> 02:48:24.280 after the guild. These guys, it's like the guys from 3343 02:48:24.319 --> 02:48:27.639 the world First Rate killed. They won't let go. They're 3344 02:48:28.079 --> 02:48:32.000 very aggrieved people who avengeful nerd is a is a 3345 02:48:32.040 --> 02:48:33.760 relentless nerd. I guess right. 3346 02:48:35.079 --> 02:48:39.719 I would fury like a nerd scorn exactly exactly. 3347 02:48:40.040 --> 02:48:43.719 But since I have now been vindicated in the court, 3348 02:48:43.840 --> 02:48:47.600 I will have tok out and sleep soundly knowing that 3349 02:48:47.680 --> 02:48:48.520 my name is cleared. 3350 02:48:49.360 --> 02:48:50.399 Very good, very good. 3351 02:48:50.440 --> 02:48:52.760 All right, thank you for that, mate. Does anyone else 3352 02:48:52.760 --> 02:48:56.399 have any kangaroo courts? From day one of bronze beard 3353 02:48:56.479 --> 02:48:57.319 or anything on Epoch. 3354 02:48:59.399 --> 02:49:02.239 Well you on kangaroo Oh, I'm. 3355 02:49:02.120 --> 02:49:05.440 Always in front of kangaroo court, That's true. 3356 02:49:06.280 --> 02:49:07.719 Someone in gild looking for a chance. 3357 02:49:07.879 --> 02:49:10.319 What did I do this time, Lazarus started, is that 3358 02:49:10.479 --> 02:49:12.680 I can. I can give them a crusader, Lazarus, did 3359 02:49:12.719 --> 02:49:14.719 you want to read your fucking charge against me in 3360 02:49:14.799 --> 02:49:22.360 kangaroo court? Do you want to go nuts? 3361 02:49:23.760 --> 02:49:25.399 I want to pretty over the top here. 3362 02:49:26.399 --> 02:49:29.520 I'll read it. I'll read it with the fire and armbstone. 3363 02:49:29.680 --> 02:49:30.040 Here we go. 3364 02:49:32.079 --> 02:49:36.760 Yeah, Lazarus, I'm nominating Josh for charges of server hopping, 3365 02:49:37.280 --> 02:49:40.719 rug pulling, and abandoning the people he tricked into playing 3366 02:49:40.760 --> 02:49:45.319 Epoch and then jumping ship to Ascension Reborns single handedly 3367 02:49:45.479 --> 02:49:51.319 ruined Alkazan's EBox experience, which I mean quite frankly. All 3368 02:49:51.319 --> 02:49:53.360 I can do is plead guilty. I think at this point, 3369 02:49:53.399 --> 02:49:56.120 I think that's clear guilty. At the first appearance for 3370 02:49:56.239 --> 02:50:03.040 the maximum discount around r br D, very good. Poor alccanne. 3371 02:50:03.040 --> 02:50:04.639 I do feel bad for him. He's just gotten the 3372 02:50:04.680 --> 02:50:06.280 sixty and he's ready to rock, and then all this 3373 02:50:06.360 --> 02:50:09.719 shit started happening. But like we say, guys, I can't 3374 02:50:09.840 --> 02:50:12.040 I can't emphasize this enough. If you want to raid 3375 02:50:12.200 --> 02:50:16.280 on Epoch, if they announce a fucking roadmap, we will 3376 02:50:16.319 --> 02:50:18.840 be raiding there. So don't feel like your time has 3377 02:50:18.879 --> 02:50:25.959 been wasted. It's still fucking legit, all right, So guys, 3378 02:50:26.079 --> 02:50:26.520 can I. 3379 02:50:26.440 --> 02:50:29.920 Can I can I jump in because this was I 3380 02:50:30.000 --> 02:50:32.120 can't go across on behalf. 3381 02:50:31.680 --> 02:50:35.760 Of my name, so please, uh. 3382 02:50:37.440 --> 02:50:40.079 I would just like to explain because I did a 3383 02:50:40.079 --> 02:50:42.520 little rant today or yesterday. 3384 02:50:42.559 --> 02:50:43.680 I don't remember. 3385 02:50:45.559 --> 02:50:50.120 Saying that I just hated Bronze Beard, which I well, 3386 02:50:50.280 --> 02:50:54.479 I tackally do because paid to win a ship. But 3387 02:50:57.079 --> 02:51:03.159 imagine being me and finally get into sixty I worked 3388 02:51:03.159 --> 02:51:06.440 like one hundred and twenty percent, So like, yeah, fuck yeah, 3389 02:51:06.440 --> 02:51:08.840 I'm gonna play this weekend. I'm gonna do a lot 3390 02:51:08.879 --> 02:51:10.719 of dungeons and I'm gonna have a lot of fun. 3391 02:51:11.280 --> 02:51:15.120 And then last night I was alone. There was like 3392 02:51:15.840 --> 02:51:20.760 zero people. There are a few people online leveling. There 3393 02:51:20.760 --> 02:51:24.520 were like nine hundred players on the server. Getting a 3394 02:51:24.559 --> 02:51:29.120 group was just not possible. I got one group that 3395 02:51:29.319 --> 02:51:35.000 was so bad that I can't even explain it that 3396 02:51:35.040 --> 02:51:36.840 they couldn't even kill barn. 3397 02:51:39.680 --> 02:51:41.879 Parents, tough parents, a tough pause. 3398 02:51:43.399 --> 02:51:44.719 It's not that hard. 3399 02:51:45.639 --> 02:51:47.239 I haven't done it yet. I just go by what 3400 02:51:47.280 --> 02:51:48.079 the others have said. 3401 02:51:49.680 --> 02:51:50.799 But I was pissed as shit. 3402 02:51:52.360 --> 02:51:57.159 Fair enough, fair enough, mate, so you can you can. 3403 02:51:58.079 --> 02:52:01.680 Now's your time out to give me all the shit 3404 02:52:01.799 --> 02:52:04.360 that I deserve for also playing on Bronze Beard. 3405 02:52:04.399 --> 02:52:04.959 I deserve it. 3406 02:52:04.959 --> 02:52:07.360 I'm not trying not to be too fastiatious lay into 3407 02:52:07.399 --> 02:52:09.040 me now. 3408 02:52:09.200 --> 02:52:11.920 I mean, I mean, I get why you're playing it, 3409 02:52:12.159 --> 02:52:16.399 I really do. I mean you're doing it because of countdown, 3410 02:52:16.520 --> 02:52:21.799 and I get that. So it's I don't play. It's fine. 3411 02:52:21.879 --> 02:52:26.120 But I've been having a lot of fun tonight. We 3412 02:52:26.319 --> 02:52:29.639 got through a whole pard and I've been like spamming 3413 02:52:29.879 --> 02:52:35.040 like Stratton now for like three hours, I think, So 3414 02:52:36.600 --> 02:52:37.559 I'm loving life. 3415 02:52:37.920 --> 02:52:40.520 I want those begs to fill. I told you guys, 3416 02:52:40.520 --> 02:52:44.760 I rolled my Warlock on Epoch for PvP purposes, like 3417 02:52:44.840 --> 02:52:47.000 primarily that's what I wanted to do. You guys know 3418 02:52:47.040 --> 02:52:48.440 I'm not that much of a radar, but I'll raid 3419 02:52:48.479 --> 02:52:50.760 with you guys, but I want a PvP and that's 3420 02:52:50.760 --> 02:52:52.840 why I'm just like waiting for these battlegrounds to fill up. 3421 02:52:52.879 --> 02:52:54.639 I'm like, come on, like, I want my ten D 3422 02:52:54.799 --> 02:52:57.040 ten wars on goalches, where the fuck is everyone? And 3423 02:52:57.040 --> 02:52:59.159 I keep, like I said, you know, I can't play 3424 02:52:59.159 --> 02:53:01.959 an OCA Primes, but I'll play in NA Primetime. And 3425 02:53:02.000 --> 02:53:04.920 I keep logging on, you know, every day the last week, 3426 02:53:05.200 --> 02:53:07.280 and I keep getting these six v six's and seventy 3427 02:53:07.360 --> 02:53:09.280 sevens and I'm like, no, no, no, come on, this isn't 3428 02:53:09.280 --> 02:53:11.000 wars on Golch Like I want a ten B ten 3429 02:53:11.120 --> 02:53:14.000 So hopefully that happens at some point. I don't know. 3430 02:53:14.120 --> 02:53:16.239 I just I just want a PBP on my little lock. 3431 02:53:16.920 --> 02:53:21.000 But anyway, Josh, yeah, can I give you some some 3432 02:53:21.079 --> 02:53:25.079 crap sure tongue and cheap. It's just like the people 3433 02:53:25.079 --> 02:53:27.959 who can't find a dungeon grip? Have you picked the 3434 02:53:28.079 --> 02:53:30.479 server and been like, hey a lions, I play a 3435 02:53:30.520 --> 02:53:33.920 lion soup. I'll get on and play against you in BG. 3436 02:53:34.840 --> 02:53:35.479 I could do that. 3437 02:53:35.520 --> 02:53:35.879 I guess. 3438 02:53:35.920 --> 02:53:38.280 The one thing that the Beg's have though, is you 3439 02:53:38.360 --> 02:53:41.959 can just randomly cute so so like you know, if 3440 02:53:42.040 --> 02:53:44.440 if it's like if you had RDF in the game 3441 02:53:44.559 --> 02:53:46.799 and no one's queuing for RDF and then you do 3442 02:53:46.959 --> 02:53:50.920 the slash one, like fucking healers, please queue RDF like 3443 02:53:50.959 --> 02:53:53.799 you try and prompt some engagement there, but like I 3444 02:53:54.120 --> 02:53:57.360 guess you could you know, slash one, slash two, Hey 3445 02:53:57.639 --> 02:54:00.520 Tay sixty No, no, no, no, it's fair though it's. 3446 02:54:00.440 --> 02:54:02.200 Been lot hair, but like we would we would do it, 3447 02:54:02.239 --> 02:54:05.959 like I mean serious, like just wanted if you've clean 3448 02:54:06.000 --> 02:54:08.040 the desk with everyone, people get on especially for you, 3449 02:54:08.159 --> 02:54:11.040 like even like you know a lot of lines players 3450 02:54:11.040 --> 02:54:11.440 in the guild. 3451 02:54:11.639 --> 02:54:15.479 Oh up, I said, once we had about thirty sixties, 3452 02:54:15.479 --> 02:54:18.479 I would love to do a ten B ten countdown 3453 02:54:18.520 --> 02:54:20.520 Hoarde Alliance PG. That would be a lot of fun. 3454 02:54:21.879 --> 02:54:23.879 So we should, Yeah, we should try and piece that 3455 02:54:23.959 --> 02:54:28.520 together for sure? What was I going to say? Guys? 3456 02:54:29.879 --> 02:54:30.000 Uh? 3457 02:54:30.200 --> 02:54:33.680 Oh, the Marcus, the real quick the Marcus count kangaroo 3458 02:54:33.719 --> 02:54:35.799 cord isn't that big of a thing. Basically, like I said, 3459 02:54:35.799 --> 02:54:37.719 we went out to drinks and dinner the other night. 3460 02:54:38.079 --> 02:54:40.680 Hideous John decided to join us. He was in town 3461 02:54:41.280 --> 02:54:45.040 and fucking he just did the thing. Sorry, hang on, 3462 02:54:45.079 --> 02:54:49.760 I'm just gonna need someone. Where are we anyway? Is 3463 02:54:49.760 --> 02:54:50.319 that you do? 3464 02:54:50.559 --> 02:54:50.760 No? 3465 02:54:52.079 --> 02:54:55.520 Basically, what we were supposed to be a dinner at 3466 02:54:55.600 --> 02:54:58.520 six Marcus. We will get there and we're like where 3467 02:54:58.559 --> 02:55:00.719 are you mate, and he goes, oh, I'm just getting 3468 02:55:00.719 --> 02:55:02.520 on the train. I'll be about an hour off, so 3469 02:55:02.559 --> 02:55:04.079 he was going to be like an hour eight when 3470 02:55:04.079 --> 02:55:06.440 we the previous message from him was like, oh, I'll 3471 02:55:06.479 --> 02:55:11.079 be there on time and easily. So basically Voodoo had 3472 02:55:11.120 --> 02:55:13.360 to order him an Uber and he didn't even have 3473 02:55:13.479 --> 02:55:15.360 Uber on his phone, and we're like, who doesn't have 3474 02:55:15.440 --> 02:55:18.239 Uber on their phone in twenty twenty five, So Voodoo 3475 02:55:18.280 --> 02:55:20.319 paid for an Uber for Marcus to get to dinner 3476 02:55:20.360 --> 02:55:23.360 with us, and we just gave him shit. And anyway, 3477 02:55:23.479 --> 02:55:28.360 that's kangaroo court for sure for Marcus for being a bookhead. 3478 02:55:29.120 --> 02:55:34.079 But I think that's about it, guys. I am going 3479 02:55:34.159 --> 02:55:36.680 to wind it up here because I do want to 3480 02:55:36.680 --> 02:55:39.079 play Bronze bit as well. I've not really been playing 3481 02:55:39.120 --> 02:55:41.600 this whole time. I was slightly dicking around with professions 3482 02:55:41.639 --> 02:55:44.879 during that recording, but not really and I want to 3483 02:55:44.920 --> 02:55:46.440 run some dungeons with you guys and have a bit 3484 02:55:46.440 --> 02:55:49.280 of fun. So thank you so much to everyone, and 3485 02:55:49.440 --> 02:55:53.520 we'll be back soon discussing more of this stuff. And 3486 02:55:54.159 --> 02:55:56.520 thanks guys. I'll obviously stick around in voice chat, but 3487 02:55:56.559 --> 02:56:00.680 I'm going to end the recording here. Thanks everyone, and 3488 02:56:00.719 --> 02:56:03.079 that's the episode for today. Everyone. Thanks so much for 3489 02:56:03.159 --> 02:56:05.000 listening to all of that. I want to thank the 3490 02:56:05.000 --> 02:56:08.440 following amazing patrons who make all of this possible. I 3491 02:56:08.479 --> 02:56:10.799 would not be doing the show if it wasn't for 3492 02:56:10.840 --> 02:56:17.079 the contributions of these phenomenal people. Flozy, b Vucka, Evan Croxford, 3493 02:56:17.159 --> 02:56:21.559 Odd k honey Bee, Wintersgate, Zorn, Grimoire, plays Are the 3494 02:56:21.680 --> 02:56:27.159 Mighty Doloman, Jaron h Rengo, Garra vac Simile. Thank you, 3495 02:56:27.200 --> 02:56:31.280 so so so, so so so much, you beautiful, beautiful people, 3496 02:56:31.639 --> 02:56:33.719 and to all the five dollar, two dollars one dollar 3497 02:56:33.760 --> 02:56:37.440 patrons as well. Guys, that's the episode for today. Go 3498 02:56:37.520 --> 02:56:41.319 out there, go forth, play your private servers, go have fun, 3499 02:56:41.399 --> 02:56:43.799 collect your ideas for feedback. You know that we can 3500 02:56:43.799 --> 02:56:47.120 eventually send in and through this show to Blizzard's year 3501 02:56:47.159 --> 02:56:49.120 holes to say what we like and what we don't 3502 02:56:49.239 --> 02:56:52.079 like with the potential classic plus coming down the pipeline, 3503 02:56:52.399 --> 02:56:54.600 and I will see you all in the next episode. 3504 02:56:54.639 --> 02:56:55.600 Thanks so much everyone. 3505 02:57:01.799 --> 02:57:07.360 Asser