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<v Speaker 1>It's a nice size. I'm going easy Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's keep rolling here. We're talking about and

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<v Speaker 2>we learned a lot last hour. In my opinion from

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<v Speaker 2>Hiawatha Bray at the Boston Globe, I spent a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of time today investigating this. I started off with a

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<v Speaker 2>fairly minimal knowledge of this signal, so called signal APP.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand it much better now, and I suspect some

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<v Speaker 2>of you, having listened to Hiawatha Bray, understand that must

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<v Speaker 2>much better. The consequence of our conversation with Hiawatha is

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<v Speaker 2>that there is indeed a better app, a military type

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<v Speaker 2>app that could be used, from a company called Greenhill Software.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet you that maybe we will hear a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more about Greenhill Software in the coming days. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that Donald Trump is going to fire anyone

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<v Speaker 2>as a result of this, but it was obviously a mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>And there were also were some answers which were less

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<v Speaker 2>than straightforward from members of the president's team in front

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<v Speaker 2>of congressional hearings this week. And there were also some

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<v Speaker 2>statements that the Defense Secretary made which I think we're

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<v Speaker 2>less than forthcoming. Do I think anyone has purchaed themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you got to that point. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the language was pretty careful, very careful, which is always

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<v Speaker 2>a sign that someone is not being as forthcoming as

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<v Speaker 2>they should be. The only lines I have opened right

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<v Speaker 2>now is two at six, one, seven, nine, three, one,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty. That will get you right through. Let's keep

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<v Speaker 2>going here. I'm going to go next to Joeanne is

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<v Speaker 2>in Waltham, Joanne, next to Nights.

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<v Speaker 3>I welcome, hy Dan. How you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing fine tonight so far, joe in. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>last night wild, Yeah it was. I was. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>wrestled three or something, but that's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I was gonna call last night, but you were busy,

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<v Speaker 3>So tonight's good. I called early. Uh yeah, I wrote

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<v Speaker 3>stuff to Yeah, Audrey was good, but I disagree. No

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<v Speaker 3>one should be fired. Okay, you have a.

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<v Speaker 2>Right to that point of view. How'd you like Hiawatha Bray?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah I just caught the tail end. Yeah yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>caught the tail end. But when I heard you were

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<v Speaker 3>talking about this, I said, oh good, and Patty she

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<v Speaker 3>was very good. She's sweet, she's sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>So you don't you don't think there you think this

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<v Speaker 2>is now much ado but nothing I yeah, okay, well

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<v Speaker 2>I disagree with you retrospect. Should have they been on

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<v Speaker 2>a more secure app in your opinion?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, of course, of course, yeah, somebody did screw up.

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of agreed with you. Whoever set up the

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<v Speaker 3>call his AID or you know, maybe let that one go.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, you know, I'm sure that Walls will be

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<v Speaker 2>somewhat protective of the AID. I just think it was sloppy.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh and thank good thank goodness that that maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>learned a lesson in a situation where there was no

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<v Speaker 2>harm done. If a plane was shot down, that would

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<v Speaker 2>been a whole different situation. So yeah, I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to I've said no harm, no foul, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think that they need to get their

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<v Speaker 2>act together because next next time there could be some

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<v Speaker 2>harm and they would be a foul.

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<v Speaker 3>Where I disagree with you. You said, you know, they

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<v Speaker 3>should admit they made a mistake. Has any Democrat ever

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<v Speaker 3>said they made a mistake in the past thirty years

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<v Speaker 3>that you can think of?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I suspect some have somewhere, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>the Republican Party, if they wanted to distinguish themselves from

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<v Speaker 2>the loyal opposition has to follow in the way that

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<v Speaker 2>you do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Levels Yeah, well, maybe there's nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>There's nothing more disarming in my experience, in my life

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<v Speaker 2>when you goof up and you make a mistake and

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't have to be a mistake. Is not doing

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<v Speaker 2>something intentionally. A mistake is making a mistake. Your motives

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<v Speaker 2>were correct, but you know you're meant to do something,

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't do it well, or you rushed or whatever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're all human. What's wrong with saying I find

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<v Speaker 2>it's the most disarming thing in the world. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>when my wife is mad at me over something, if

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<v Speaker 2>I I guess, say, you know what, I messed up. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I got the wrong thing at the store. When we

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<v Speaker 2>go back, I'll go back and change it, and invariable

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<v Speaker 2>to say no, get it next time. Okay, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>very much, We're done.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You diffuse the situation often. And I think that hag

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<v Speaker 2>Seth is a strong willed guy, similar in personality to

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump. And when I saw him, I think he

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<v Speaker 2>was in Hawaii, was saying there was no battle plans,

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<v Speaker 2>there was no this, there was no that, there were

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<v Speaker 2>no roots. He probably was technically correct, but the fact

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<v Speaker 2>of the matter is there was a lot of information

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<v Speaker 2>which has come out which never should have come out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know. Yeah, that's And has any Democrat ever

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<v Speaker 3>been fired for doing something wrong? All Well is still

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<v Speaker 3>in there sleeping with a Chinese spy for four years?

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<v Speaker 3>He's still there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes he is, Yes he is. But again, the voters

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<v Speaker 2>in his district have had a chance to churn him out.

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<v Speaker 2>So that would be the argument there. Look, I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is the old meat. What about is an argument?

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<v Speaker 2>And what about the other guys. Let's hope well that

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<v Speaker 2>they all can take their game up as opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>taking their game down. Right, And whoever's in charge is

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<v Speaker 2>in charge of protecting you and me. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>care if it's a Democrat president or a Republican president.

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<v Speaker 2>I want them to do the best job possible. Period.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we're in agreement.

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<v Speaker 3>And just the last thing, you know, the Warren and

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<v Speaker 3>all the Democrats, they're so worried about our security. They well,

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<v Speaker 3>they weren't worried when they had the borders wide open.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And I think that's that is not a what

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<v Speaker 2>about is and that that's an accurate observation with which

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<v Speaker 2>I am happy to join you.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, very good, thanks you talk Okay, take care, Thank

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<v Speaker 3>you byma. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Six months seven two five four to ten thirty one

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<v Speaker 2>line there, six months seven nine three one ten thirty

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<v Speaker 2>one line there. This is a story that has been

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<v Speaker 2>a dominant story all week. It's not going away. This

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<v Speaker 2>might be the last night that we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it. Tomorrow night, as a matter of fact, we

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<v Speaker 2>are going to talk about how you can lower energy

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<v Speaker 2>prices here in Massachusetts, how you yourself can lower your

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<v Speaker 2>energy prices at nine o'clock, and we're also going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk at ten o'clock tomorrow night with a guest about

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<v Speaker 2>naps and sleep and which is better for you. Are

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<v Speaker 2>NAP's good or do naps during the day prevent you

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<v Speaker 2>from getting a good night's sleep, And will of course

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<v Speaker 2>have the twentieth hour tomorrow night as well. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is probably the last time this week we will talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the signal app gait. If you will, we add

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<v Speaker 2>the word gate to everything. Uh So, if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to weigh in on this one, get get to the

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<v Speaker 2>phone right now and we'll be back on nightside with

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<v Speaker 2>more phone calls right after this on a Thursday night

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<v Speaker 2>edition of Nightside, and the Red Sox started off with

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<v Speaker 2>the right foot today they won. They won, They're undefeated.

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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the phones we go. Let's go next to

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<v Speaker 2>Neil in Saugus. Neil, you were next on Nightside. Welcome.

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<v Speaker 4>How you doing Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing fine. I hope you're doing well too. The

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<v Speaker 2>right ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm all right. I have heard about all this, and

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<v Speaker 4>of course I'm not sure. I've heard a couple of things,

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't know if there's a way to fact

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<v Speaker 4>check these things. But I heard that there's a US

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<v Speaker 4>special end voice. Steve Wickoff was in Russia, Yes he was,

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<v Speaker 4>and then he and they said I heard two different things.

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<v Speaker 4>One they said he didn't have his phone in Russia,

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<v Speaker 4>and then I heard a different thing saying he did

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<v Speaker 4>have his phone, but he didn't use the signal apps.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I think what I heard was a

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<v Speaker 2>little different was that he did not have the phone

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<v Speaker 2>on he was in I think he was in meetings

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<v Speaker 2>at the Kremlin with with Putin, and that the phone

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<v Speaker 2>was turned off. Now again, I'm not enough of an

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<v Speaker 2>expert to know. First of all, I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>the Russians could have hacked from from the people I

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<v Speaker 2>talked to today that this this app called Signal cannot

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<v Speaker 2>be hacked the way it works. And again I'll try

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<v Speaker 2>to explain it as simply as possible. Is if I

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<v Speaker 2>have it on my phone and you have it on

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<v Speaker 2>your phone, and we're friends, you're in my You're in

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<v Speaker 2>my my phone list, I can basically uh contact you

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<v Speaker 2>because only because you're in my phone list. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't call someone who's not in my phone list. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to be a member of Signal number one both

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<v Speaker 2>of you, and you have to be in the other

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<v Speaker 2>person's phone list if you if you get my.

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<v Speaker 4>Drift, okay, yeah, and I well, let me let me.

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<v Speaker 2>Finish, Let me finish. If I make a mistake, please

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<v Speaker 2>help me. So I want to have either a zoom

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<v Speaker 2>call with you, or I want to have a phone

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<v Speaker 2>call with you, or I want to set up a

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<v Speaker 2>text chain with you. So all of a sudden, I say, Neil,

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<v Speaker 2>you on you. I send you a text Neil, are

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<v Speaker 2>you available? You send me a text back that says, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what's up? Now you know what you wrote? To me. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and when it comes to me, I see what you

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<v Speaker 2>wrote to me. But if anybody, anybody intercepted or attempted

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<v Speaker 2>to hack into that communication, they would only see an

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<v Speaker 2>encrypted message. So the only people who know what is

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<v Speaker 2>what is written there is you wrote and what I

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<v Speaker 2>read or what I wrote and when you read. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So even if Wicked had his phone on, if he

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<v Speaker 2>had had his phone on and somehow Putin grabbed the

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<v Speaker 2>phone from him, theoretically he got look at Wickens phone

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<v Speaker 2>and say, oh, you're talking Yemen, but he never had

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<v Speaker 2>the phone.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, well, a couple of other things. So number one,

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<v Speaker 4>the US Department of Defense had put out something. They're

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<v Speaker 4>saying that signal is not a secure app and not

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<v Speaker 4>to use it for any top secret kind of stuff

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<v Speaker 4>that's been in the news. But the other thing is

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<v Speaker 4>is the hoodie Uh you know the rebels there, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that we went after and we should have, which was good.

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<v Speaker 4>They are funded by Iran and Russia, so there would

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<v Speaker 4>be an interest if you know. It's just I'm just.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard them. But let me say this, I've

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<v Speaker 2>never heard that they're funded by Russia. I have heard

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<v Speaker 2>that they are funded by Iran, and I did see definitely, Yeah, definitely,

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<v Speaker 2>and I did see an advisory that was circulated in

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<v Speaker 2>the Defense Department. I think it was October of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three that cautioned against using non secure app non secure apps.

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<v Speaker 2>They specifically, well, I don't think that they specifically said that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're incorrecting that signal. For I spoke with

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<v Speaker 2>someone today who's been on Signal for about ten years

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<v Speaker 2>and they said, look, this is a great app. The

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<v Speaker 2>mistake that was made, obviously was that someone went into

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<v Speaker 2>However, that's why you don't have aids to people setting

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<v Speaker 2>and there will be subsequent administrations will say we're not

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<v Speaker 2>using Signal, We're not never using you know. Can I

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<v Speaker 2>air before. I think you'll find interesting. Okay. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>As soon as he hangs up, you ding ding ding

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<v Speaker 4>the Department of Defense spent fourteen billion dollars to build

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<v Speaker 4>some kind of secret messaging thing that that's where this

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<v Speaker 4>discussed that is totally secure. Well, and it was a

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<v Speaker 2>But they have these secure what they're called skiffs in

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<v Speaker 2>And they're rooms where people can go into and they

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard. I've heard of these.

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<v Speaker 2>They're called skiffs and uh it's uh Rob, it's an acronym,

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<v Speaker 2>in Congress are going to get a debrief on something,

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<v Speaker 2>they go to this these rooms. They have to leave

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<v Speaker 2>their cell phones outside the rooms. Okay, yeah, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 4>All right, fair enough, Okay, I think this' I think

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<v Speaker 4>I heard may need to be fact checked or whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>that that the and I State's military, the Parliment Defense

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<v Speaker 2>You might be right. I can't.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's like a certain I think it's like

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<v Speaker 4>an app that's only for you know, Okay, people try.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll try to find that out. Neal. You've made the

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<v Speaker 4>And I think what's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe one of our other callers will know it. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the beauty of nightside. Someone else can call say yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly, okay, thank you. What happened is they're gonnael I.

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<v Speaker 2>Got I gotta grab another call here before the news.

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<v Speaker 2>We've gone ten minutes, Neil. Okay, so all right, great,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you very much. Let me go to Bob and Worcester.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob want to get you in here before the news.

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<v Speaker 6>Bob, this will be my last call about Signal. Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>what they call a safety number. It's similar to a password,

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<v Speaker 6>but it acts differently. Each party can see this number

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<v Speaker 6>on the bottom of the screen and mains content. If

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<v Speaker 6>it starts flashing, somebody is listening to your conversation. I

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<v Speaker 6>don't know of any other app that has this.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that is news to me. I haven't heard that,

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<v Speaker 2>but it wouldn't surprise me because I believe that there

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<v Speaker 2>are ways in which your device when it downloads the

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<v Speaker 2>And I've talked to people today to had a long

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<v Speaker 2>and they give me They gave me a debrief this

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<v Speaker 2>afternoon and they said, it's a really secure app. Now

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<v Speaker 2>you're so, could someone theoretically get in? Yeah, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>in this case, I think it was a mistake. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think one of the Trump These are the most

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<v Speaker 2>is int it'll be really great. Let's have Jeff Goldberg

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<v Speaker 2>with this one as well. I think it I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was a mistake and and it's it's a cautionary tale.

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<v Speaker 2>And to some extent, we were lucky as a nation.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no plane, no no information got to the

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<v Speaker 6>And the company that owns uh say that owns signal,

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<v Speaker 2>I would bet you that you're probably right on that.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's probably a lot of people who are deciding

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to get an encrypted It's it's just an

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<v Speaker 2>some guy who's uh, you know, who's who's messing around

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<v Speaker 6>And it's so easy to use to just put your

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<v Speaker 1>So you have it right right, I've been.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. Why are you using are you don't don't give

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<v Speaker 2>it's a business purpose, or are you using it because

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<v Speaker 6>No, I use it as part of a dating site.

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<v Speaker 6>Really yeah, so so want we can have a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I suspect that that's the wild wild West. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I've never been on an online dating site. So

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<v Speaker 2>you want to make sure that the person who you're

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want is that? Is that why you're using

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<v Speaker 6>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's fair, that's fair. I mean you hear the

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<v Speaker 2>horror stories about the online dating sites. Someone sends you

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<v Speaker 2>a picture and when they show up, they bear no

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, you know we can do a three hour show

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<v Speaker 6>about online dating.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what, Bob, at some point, have Rob.

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<v Speaker 2>Rob will give you my direct line. You give me

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<v Speaker 2>a call, and maybe we'll do that some Friday night.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, Friday night I go out dancing.

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<v Speaker 2>How about but we'll do it a Thursday night in

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<v Speaker 2>advance of a weekend. Okay we could? We could? You

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<v Speaker 2>do be av and Rob will give you my direct line.

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<v Speaker 2>You can have it and call me if you're so inclined. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not looking for your number. You give you give

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<v Speaker 2>Rob will give you mind fair enough. Thanks Bob, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you very much, good night. All right, you're not

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<v Speaker 2>to Bob and they'll be all said. Who knows again,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's anything that you hear on this program that

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<v Speaker 2>you think is incorrect, factually, I always welcome corrections of

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<v Speaker 2>what I say and corrections of what on my caller say. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>because I am not omnipotent. Okay, I got I'm not infallible. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I make mistakes, but my audience can help me and

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<v Speaker 2>can help my show. We'll take a quick break. Come

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<v Speaker 2>on right back on night Side. Uh the well, we

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<v Speaker 1>You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WA Boston's

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<v Speaker 7>Her.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's move it a little bit more quickly. Pick up

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<v Speaker 2>the pace here, Bob and Rain and Bob you were

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<v Speaker 8>Go right ahead, Bob, Hey Dan, how's it going a

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<v Speaker 8>little smaller?

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<v Speaker 2>Sailing? Tonight than last night.

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<v Speaker 8>But go right ahead, Okay, I'd like to say that

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<v Speaker 8>US work in secured facilities and uh places where classified

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<v Speaker 8>to you know, if you come across it accidentally, which

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<v Speaker 8>go further to say that any you know, true American

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<v Speaker 8>or you know, someone that's really concerned about the security

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<v Speaker 8>of our nation would never dare you know, look at

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<v Speaker 8>that information and or if you somehow you were on

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<v Speaker 8>a meeting, you would you know, get yourself off that

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<v Speaker 8>meeting right away and then you know, notify your supervisor

426
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<v Speaker 8>that you inadvertently were on something you shouldn't have been on.

427
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<v Speaker 8>And and uh, you know, the whole thing is to

428
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<v Speaker 8>you know, keep keep our country secure. And in my opinion,

429
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<v Speaker 8>this guy Goldberg, I mean, obviously it sounds like he

430
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<v Speaker 8>has uh you know, he has no use for Trump

431
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<v Speaker 8>and he's ready to you know, sabotage him any chance

432
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<v Speaker 8>he could or whatever. But that being said, he's putting

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<v Speaker 8>people at risk and other people at risk by I mean,

434
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<v Speaker 8>he should have done the right thing and gone to

435
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<v Speaker 8>whoever he somehow got invited to this meeting bar and

436
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<v Speaker 8>said they, I shouldn't have been on this thing. You

437
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<v Speaker 8>guys got to be careful. But instead he blew it

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<v Speaker 8>all up. And now our enemies, no, you know, the

439
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<v Speaker 8>site is out there, and and our.

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<v Speaker 2>Enemies probably knew it, knew it before. I mean, I

441
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<v Speaker 2>don't I think that they would have figured that out.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, you had a security clearance. You wanted to

443
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<v Speaker 2>protect that security clearance. Jeffrey Goldberg, he's a journalist, so

444
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<v Speaker 2>he was functioning with a different set of priorities. I

445
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<v Speaker 2>guess would be the way to describe it. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to. He did not leak anything on substance until

447
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<v Speaker 2>the Trump administration said oh no, there were no there

448
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<v Speaker 2>were no battle plans or anything like that, And the

449
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<v Speaker 2>language gets kind of, uh, kind of sloppy. There is

450
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<v Speaker 2>you know, what exactly is a battle plan? What it?

451
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<v Speaker 2>What exactly is you know, an attack plan? That sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thing. So I just, you know, I can't understand

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<v Speaker 2>your feeling. I get it. You you probably with your

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<v Speaker 2>training would have said, hey, I'm not supposed to be

455
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<v Speaker 2>on here, I'm going to report it. Who's he going

456
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<v Speaker 2>to report it to his his publisher?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I mean he just should have. He should have

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<v Speaker 8>just maybe I mean his published is probably in the

459
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<v Speaker 8>same bit as he's in. But yeah, he he uh,

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<v Speaker 8>but I mean, you know, just for just for the

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<v Speaker 8>good of our country, he shouldn't have.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, he's turned up.

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<v Speaker 2>I got your point. I got your point.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, thank you, And.

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<v Speaker 2>Most people would have probably a lot of people would

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<v Speaker 2>agree with you. Thank you, Bob. I appreciate your call.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to keep rolling here, we're going next to who

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<v Speaker 2>we got we got Margie in uh in New York. Marjorie,

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<v Speaker 2>You're next to night Saga right ahead.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, fine, I know we have mentioned your age, but

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know. Oh do you span before cell phones?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course they do. Yeah, was I was? I born

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<v Speaker 2>after cell phones became a VII.

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<v Speaker 9>Did you have cell phones in your youth?

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<v Speaker 2>In my youth?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, no, no, no, no, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't really introduced. The first cell phones I ever

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<v Speaker 2>used were the They were big, bulky cell phones that

479
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<v Speaker 2>we would be given when I was working in television

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen eighties and if we were going to Washington,

481
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<v Speaker 2>we would get us. It was it almost looked a

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<v Speaker 2>military cell phone. It was a a in a bag

483
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<v Speaker 2>that you'd hang over your shoulder, and it was the

484
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<v Speaker 2>phone was like the size of your shoe. It looked

485
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<v Speaker 2>like it was certainly more cumbersome than what we have today. Yeah,

486
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<v Speaker 2>So that those were the first cell phones that were

487
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<v Speaker 2>commercially available, and the average citizen didn't have those cell phones.

488
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<v Speaker 2>The average person didn't get cell phones until sometime in

489
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<v Speaker 2>the early late eighties early nineties. We got them a little.

490
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<v Speaker 2>We had what were called cell phones, but they will

491
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<v Speaker 2>we thought of them as portable phones. So that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>my explanation on that one.

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<v Speaker 9>Man't you Okay. What I want to take you back

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<v Speaker 9>to is because I live in that era. I gave

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<v Speaker 9>up my cell phone. I don't have a laptop. I

496
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<v Speaker 9>have a regular desktop computer, and I'm trying to get

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<v Speaker 9>rid of all the angst now. I just want for

498
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<v Speaker 9>those who don't know, before cell phones, we would take

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<v Speaker 9>vacations in Europe. We had a small child, We'd hire

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<v Speaker 9>a babysitter and we'd go for three weeks to Europe.

501
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<v Speaker 9>We never had the desire or a chance to call

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<v Speaker 9>back in three weeks and check if anyone was alive

503
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<v Speaker 9>or dead. You came home, you took your Kodak slide

504
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<v Speaker 9>show development than everyone to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I go, I totally get it. But but

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's what the way it was back then. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a different world today, Margie. I would agree.

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<v Speaker 9>You're exactly right. And you know what, it was a

509
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<v Speaker 9>much more peaceful and happier world.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, great, I don't dis don't necessarily disagree with you, Margie. Thanks.

511
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<v Speaker 2>I always enjoy your calls. Be well, okay, thanks, thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>great night, good night. All right, going to take a

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<v Speaker 2>very quick break here now you know what I'm not

514
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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to plow through and going to get Ron

515
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<v Speaker 2>and Newton. We got a line open at six one seven,

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<v Speaker 2>two five four ten thirty and one at six one

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<v Speaker 2>seven nine three one ten thirty. I am not going

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<v Speaker 2>to make Ron wait, hey, Ron, welcome back. How are

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<v Speaker 2>you hi?

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<v Speaker 5>Dan?

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<v Speaker 10>Thank you? Thanks a lot for this topic. I have

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<v Speaker 10>a couple of questions, and there some sort of an

523
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<v Speaker 10>analogy that I think maybe applied. Okay, but I'm I'm wondering.

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<v Speaker 10>We use we use encrypted apps on our disaster response

525
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<v Speaker 10>to communicate with one another. But I'm wondering if this

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<v Speaker 10>lends itself to what I did for quite a few

527
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<v Speaker 10>years with medical errors, that is root cause analysis and

528
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<v Speaker 10>in essence, if we had an independent specialty group like

529
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<v Speaker 10>our team from MIT, do a root cause analysis, look

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<v Speaker 10>at you know, and I used to do them in

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<v Speaker 10>chronological order. I would look at what was the root

532
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<v Speaker 10>cause in this case it's communications link error, and I

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<v Speaker 10>would look at secondary cause in this case double triple

534
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<v Speaker 10>check not validated. But I'm not so sure I agree

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<v Speaker 10>with the no file no harm in our analysis of errors,

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<v Speaker 10>would categorize it into number one. Yes it could. I

537
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<v Speaker 10>out of the department, but didn't touch the patient. Number two, Yeah,

538
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<v Speaker 10>got out, touched the patient but only caused temporary harm.

539
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<v Speaker 10>Number three, it touched the patient, caused permanent harm, and

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<v Speaker 10>then finally a sentinel event where the patient died. And

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<v Speaker 10>we would look at at this as Number one, was

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<v Speaker 10>it a system flaw. If it was, you propose an

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<v Speaker 10>intervention to a rapid cycle test and see see if

544
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<v Speaker 10>it works and then scale it up. Number two, if

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<v Speaker 10>it was a short cut that the individual took, such

546
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<v Speaker 10>as you know, cutting in and pasting a certain amount

547
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<v Speaker 10>of information from a previous visit, then that's a short

548
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<v Speaker 10>cut that the person may have been taken for a while,

549
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<v Speaker 10>and you have to correct their practice and then finally

550
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<v Speaker 10>knowingly and willingly doing something and that would result in punishment.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's not. Also, it's a very methodical process.

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<v Speaker 10>You explained, I like that, so, and we had to

553
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<v Speaker 10>constantly communicate that information to the Board of Internal Medicine

554
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<v Speaker 10>in Boston, and so they would look at for example,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, a wrong site surgery left risks, right risk.

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<v Speaker 4>How does that occur?

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<v Speaker 10>Or alternatively, uh, you know it was an unintended error

558
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<v Speaker 10>where they scalpel just nicked an adjacent tissue. It was

559
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<v Speaker 10>certainly uh unintended, but nevertheless it did occur, so a

560
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<v Speaker 10>root cause has to be done. They would send that

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<v Speaker 10>off to the committee at the Board of Internal Medicine

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<v Speaker 10>and they would review it and then to say, yeah,

563
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<v Speaker 10>you did a good job on that, but we want

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<v Speaker 10>you to look at this in addition, so it creates

565
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<v Speaker 10>a continuous process improvement. It doesn't hold anybody to blame necessarily.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Demo, how that applies here, Ron may be

567
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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more difficult because it's probably yours is

568
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<v Speaker 2>probably a cleaner and well thought out procedure. Ron, I

569
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<v Speaker 2>took you before the news, but I've gone four minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>so I got to let you go. Thank you much.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting and interesting analysis, very interesting. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great one back on Nightside right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on night Side with Dan Ray on you BZ

574
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<v Speaker 1>Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're going to try to get everyone in. It

576
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<v Speaker 2>won't be easy. Let me go next to Danielle in Worcester. Danielle,

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<v Speaker 2>you're next on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 5>Go right ahead, Hey Dan, Hi, daniel two quick things. No,

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<v Speaker 5>I think we used it a while back when I

580
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<v Speaker 5>was in corporate America still, and I think that, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>with all the publicity with the Karen Reid trial and

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<v Speaker 5>you know now with Trump and everything, I think that well,

583
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<v Speaker 5>not so much with this Trump story, but with the

584
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<v Speaker 5>Karen retrial. I think that it's kind of a you know,

585
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<v Speaker 5>a real eye opener to see that if you're in

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<v Speaker 5>corporate America and you have a personal cell phone, and

587
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<v Speaker 5>you're using your personal cell phone for any work related business,

588
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<v Speaker 5>your phone is now subject to discovery. And I'm sorry,

589
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:23.840
<v Speaker 5>my phone is like my pocketbook. Is there anything in

590
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<v Speaker 5>there that is he illegal? No, but it's like private.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you know, before I had my double mess eectomy,

592
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<v Speaker 5>I took a before picture, Okay, I took an after picture.

593
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<v Speaker 5>My sister recently had a biopsy rest of biopsy, and

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<v Speaker 5>she sent me a picture of the side of her chest.

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<v Speaker 5>Those aren't things that you want people to see. They're

596
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<v Speaker 5>not bad, but they're private, you know. So I think

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<v Speaker 5>the Signal app kind of gives you, you know, especially

598
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<v Speaker 5>if you if you're a work person, if you're in

599
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<v Speaker 5>corporate America, you're liking sales and you use your phone

600
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<v Speaker 5>to contact clients. Now you're in God forbid, there's some

601
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<v Speaker 5>kind of illegal thing that goes on and you get

602
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<v Speaker 5>to point you're they can sub they can sub pena

603
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<v Speaker 5>on your phone.

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<v Speaker 4>And so there's.

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<v Speaker 2>A practical use for this.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, So it's not always about I think people automatically think, oh,

607
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<v Speaker 5>he's shady, is cheating. You know, she must be hiding

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<v Speaker 5>something from her husband, And really it's not so much

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<v Speaker 5>that it's and and another I know you to go.

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<v Speaker 5>The other thing that I thought that was really interesting

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<v Speaker 5>I learned about iPhones. There are a lot of people

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<v Speaker 5>don't know. But if you look at your ear piece

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<v Speaker 5>where you put your phone to your ear, right beside

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<v Speaker 5>that little hole over the ear is is an indicator

615
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<v Speaker 5>light that comes on and it's orange if your microphone

616
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<v Speaker 5>is activated, and it's green if your camera and or

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<v Speaker 5>microphone are activated. And where that's helpful is a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of times you're using an app. You have a go

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<v Speaker 5>on like Facebook, and you talk about us or something,

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<v Speaker 5>and then two days later there's an ug you know,

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<v Speaker 5>commercial or something. So if you look down at your phone,

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<v Speaker 5>you can see if there's an orange indicator light saying

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<v Speaker 5>that your microphone is active when you're using that app

624
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<v Speaker 5>and therefore could be just recording a conversation you're having

625
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<v Speaker 5>with the person beside you, and you can disable that

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<v Speaker 5>in in your app settings.

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<v Speaker 3>Son.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought that that was an interesting thing I learned.

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<v Speaker 2>At all great place, Danielle. You always bring your a game.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you much, Thank you much. Twenty seventh Okay, can't wait.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Thanks Tom and Dorchester. Tom. I'm gonna get you

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<v Speaker 2>in here, Betty, go, buddy, go right.

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<v Speaker 11>Ahead, right Dan, it's trying to be fast. That was

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<v Speaker 11>this whole situation, this whole debacle. I found the culpra

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<v Speaker 11>of the debacle. His name is Matt Walls. He works

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<v Speaker 11>the Trump He's a warhawk. He worked for Dick Cheney

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<v Speaker 11>and uh and he goes Goldman with Goldbert the reporter.

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<v Speaker 11>He knows him. I think he put him on the conversation.

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<v Speaker 11>Now I think he has to go. I think his

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<v Speaker 11>name is Matt Walls.

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<v Speaker 2>The way he's he is a very he's former congressman. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>fair enough. You're a Trump, you're a Trump support. It

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<v Speaker 2>will see what happens if if they bounce him. I

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<v Speaker 2>want you to call me back because that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be very interesting.

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<v Speaker 11>All right, Thank you, Dan, Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>Dog, appreciate it. Laurie, good night. Let me go to

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<v Speaker 2>Joe and Boston Joy, you gonna wrap it for us?

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, Joe.

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<v Speaker 7>He and remember Bill Belichick when he tried to reach

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<v Speaker 7>Brian Daboll, he reached out to Brian Flores.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yes, yes, absolutely, yes, Oh no, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>good one.

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<v Speaker 7>However, in this case, there is something that concerns me.

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<v Speaker 7>I think I heard through sources and there was one

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<v Speaker 7>of those low level eights that put the phone list together,

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<v Speaker 7>because yeah, I mean, who has the number of this guy?

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<v Speaker 7>Do you know what I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it was on Apparently Goldberg's number was on Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Wallt's phone. And Waltz a person who well, he could be,

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<v Speaker 2>he could be he could have him as not as

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<v Speaker 2>a source. But you know, I have people on my

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<v Speaker 2>phone who might be friends. I have people on my phone.

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<v Speaker 5>Who might be.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I really don't think he's a farewell of fans,

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<v Speaker 7>but I mean.

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<v Speaker 10>Experience though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And he apparently gave his phone to set it

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<v Speaker 2>up to an AID. Now I don't know if the

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<v Speaker 2>aid was a twenty one year old. In turn, if

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<v Speaker 2>the AID is a is a trusted uh, Waltz I

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<v Speaker 2>think was a member of Congress. I thinks a veteran

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<v Speaker 2>of the military.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, they say it was a two year old aide

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<v Speaker 7>that did that. You know so well, you know it

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<v Speaker 7>is what it is, No harm, no foul.

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<v Speaker 2>All right enough, Joe Amott, I'm flat on the time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always so great to you guy that I love you.

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<v Speaker 7>I appreciate you right back, right back at you, Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that. Okay, thank you, my friend. Say ahad

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<v Speaker 2>everybody for me. Okay, we're done for the night. I

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<v Speaker 2>got word tonight. I'm going to mention it tomorrow. One

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<v Speaker 2>of our most loyal callers has passed away. Some of

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<v Speaker 2>you remember Paul from Dorchester. He's a gentleman who taught

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<v Speaker 2>in the Boston public schools and worked as a basketball coach.

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't heard from in a while. So maybe tonight

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<v Speaker 2>before you go to bed, say a prayer for Paul.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Mahoney of Dorchester and Norwood, who's a great loyal

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<v Speaker 2>listener of Nightside, always brought us a game and passed

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<v Speaker 2>away today. I'll mention it tomorrow night as well. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to thank that the person who passed that information

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<v Speaker 2>on to me. My name is Dan Ray. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>very much. Rob Brooks, thank you very much, Marita, I'll lend.

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<v Speaker 2>There's always all dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why Pal Charlie Ray is who passed fifteen years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where all your pets are who passed. They loved

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<v Speaker 2>you and you love them. I do believe you'll see

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<v Speaker 2>them again. Hope to see again tomorrow night on night

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<v Speaker 2>Side at eight o'clock. Have a great Friday everyone. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to see you on Facebook Nice Side with Dan

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<v Speaker 2>Ray in about two minutes. Join us there. I love

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<v Speaker 2>to say hello, have a great Friday. I'll talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you to morrow.