Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome to Rose Pricks. It's me, Stephanie Wilder,
Speaker 1: Taylor and Cecily Nobler's here, and we've got the OC
Speaker 1: Real Housewives. Macro notes, Yeah, I do have some macro notes. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, it was mostly, as it's been the last
Speaker 1: few episodes, pretty boring until the end.
Speaker 2: And I'm actually genuinely worried for Shannon. I know I
Speaker 2: shouldn't be, because like she's always fine and crazy, but
Speaker 2: I was a little like, god, this cut, fucking this
Speaker 2: cut dark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm concerned that I'm going to alienate our listeners.
Speaker 2: And also I'm sorry that I swore so early on.
Speaker 2: I'm really trying to watch say the word a lot
Speaker 2: for no reason. It just comes out of my mouth.
Speaker 1: So there's a reason, first of all. But honey, no, don't.
Speaker 2: Do just not straight out the gate, you guys. I
Speaker 2: have poll. I'm working on it. I hear it when
Speaker 2: it comes out. I'm like, okay, let's take it down.
Speaker 1: Really, see I enjoy I don't even hear it. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's maybe that's me. Maybe maybe there's something wrong with me.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything wrong with any of us,
Speaker 2: but that's our show. You guys, thanks so much for
Speaker 2: watching George County.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Oh my gosh, you guys are you
Speaker 1: guys are the best audience. So wait, why do you
Speaker 1: think you're gonna alien it? What are you going to
Speaker 1: say about Shannon? Okay, it's okay because and I shouldn't
Speaker 1: do this to myself, but I do. I imagine that people.
Speaker 1: I imagine people are like how she needs to have
Speaker 1: Of all people, she is an alcoholic talking about me,
Speaker 1: not Shannon, right, and she should, of all people should
Speaker 1: have more empathy for somebody who can't help it, you
Speaker 1: know whatever. But I'm annoyed. I'm just I'm annoyed because
Speaker 1: I feel like nothing ever changes with her and I
Speaker 1: this is my macronte.
Speaker 2: I feel like.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of I have been working on myself,
Speaker 1: but have you?
Speaker 2: But she has not. I mean she does for these things.
Speaker 2: If she's drinking as much as she is in front
Speaker 2: of the people that yell at her about drinking, imagine
Speaker 2: which now I'm starting to understand Camera's frustration. I still
Speaker 2: think she's a horrific person, but I kind of get
Speaker 2: how she's been pushed to the thing of like I
Speaker 2: can't take this anymore. Maybe if I say it on camera,
Speaker 2: she'll get better. She's not getting better.
Speaker 1: Well, no, she's not getting better. And I just it's
Speaker 1: what it is that I don't like. That has nothing
Speaker 1: really to do with the alcoholism. I just the victim.
Speaker 1: She's just such a victim, and I hate it. It's
Speaker 1: just hard to it's hard. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: just my own shit. Probably is, But I don't like
Speaker 1: how much she goes over this. Nothing changes, but she can.
Speaker 1: And she doesn't understand how people aren't completely on her
Speaker 1: side with like it's the principle I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, I'm I you know, I'm totally with you. It's
Speaker 2: because she doesn't have any self awareness. So even at
Speaker 2: the end, you know, spoiler, when she's like, I want
Speaker 2: to find you this picture and show you it is horrible,
Speaker 2: and Heather's horrified and it's terrible, will get to that,
Speaker 2: but it's not. She never has a moment of like,
Speaker 2: isn't that horrendous that I got so drunk that I
Speaker 2: had slammed my car, like could have killed a bunch
Speaker 2: of people, Like did that? She never it doesn't come
Speaker 2: from that place. It's always about like what's been done
Speaker 2: to her, yeah, or that John Jansen didn't run out
Speaker 2: and save her, like he probably couldn't wait to get
Speaker 2: rid of her, right.
Speaker 1: And according to what we know, which I don't know
Speaker 1: was reported, and she said too, he was going, you're
Speaker 1: so fucking drunk, don't drive your car. And then she
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to drive my car. And it's like, well, okay,
Speaker 1: but how is that? How is he a horrible person
Speaker 1: for not running?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm with you. I'm with you because
Speaker 2: sometimes you know, I don't know, he is horrible.
Speaker 1: He's absolutely horrible, Like there is no doubt that he's
Speaker 1: that he's no winner here, right, But I guess it's
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, is like, yeah, no shit.
Speaker 2: Though, I mean these are some pretty So we start
Speaker 2: the episode with Alexis and Heather like breaking stuff down
Speaker 2: in the car, and then, you know, for a second,
Speaker 2: I was like, why again are these two friends? And
Speaker 2: then I remembered, you know, about their kids, And I
Speaker 2: do love that story. I do love that Alexis is
Speaker 2: Heather we expected to be a good person in terms
Speaker 2: of things like.
Speaker 1: This, but Alexis people hate on Heather, and yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: this episode was meaningful to me. Yeah, for all. I mean,
Speaker 1: not very many people I'm going to tell you in
Speaker 1: this this culture cultural point are willing to stand up
Speaker 1: for trans kids and gas say, and she's out there
Speaker 1: doing it. And I thought she hit a perfect note
Speaker 1: with this. Oh she was great. And what I was
Speaker 1: saying is I expect that from Heather. I don't expect
Speaker 1: it from Alexis.
Speaker 2: So I do give her a lot of points for
Speaker 2: really like putting herself out there, especially up against what
Speaker 2: her world is like Heather's I assume liberal, you know,
Speaker 2: she's doing it like whatever. I believe she would do this.
Speaker 2: But Alexis has surrounded herself with like a very evangelical world,
Speaker 2: So for her to stand up is extra good.
Speaker 1: I agree, And you know, living a similar circumstance, I
Speaker 1: cannot hate her right now, right I want you to well,
Speaker 1: I mean I can.
Speaker 2: Still hate her. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: But it's really difficult, as you know, parent of a
Speaker 1: trans kid, to be too harsh on the lexus. It's
Speaker 1: hard because I can't be told you forget about it.
Speaker 2: I get it. She's a voice. And when I say
Speaker 2: even gel, I don't mean that like oh that that
Speaker 2: it's not that it wouldn't be a Christian thing to do.
Speaker 2: I just mean she specifically is so Orange County and
Speaker 2: has been so like, you know, not tolerant. Yes, a
Speaker 2: lot of that's what I mean. I don't mean that like,
Speaker 2: of course people who are Christian, would you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Yes.
Speaker 1: So one thing that I thought was kind of funny,
Speaker 1: So Heather's the opening scene. Basically, Heather's kind of introducing
Speaker 1: her kids into this. We haven't seen them really, so
Speaker 1: we meet Ace, who's her trans son, and then I guess,
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, I think, no, I know, but
Speaker 1: we're like, we're introducing them this season in the scene
Speaker 1: and she's talking about them, my son Ace is here,
Speaker 1: and Nikky's here, and and then she talks about how
Speaker 1: she's been going back and forth to Orange County and
Speaker 1: she makes a comment which a lot of people might
Speaker 1: not realize how ridiculous it is, but she says, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: the tolls are really they're high. No, they're not. It's
Speaker 1: like two dollars when you drive to Orange County, because
Speaker 1: I have done it many times. You have to drive,
Speaker 1: you're forced to drive on a toll road.
Speaker 2: But it's two dollars, So I'm sorry it was such
Speaker 2: an unnecessary comment, like, oh, it's just starting to cost
Speaker 2: us a lot of money to drive. No, it's not Heather,
Speaker 2: you're very rich. I mean, it's they're so rich that
Speaker 2: they let you know how rich they are. I just
Speaker 2: literally the beginning of the scene, I wrote, Okay, Heather's rich,
Speaker 2: but also still very tacky. They're playing pool everything's Did
Speaker 2: you notice now how tacky her interior taste is. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's pretty tacky, but it can't help. But like, I mean,
Speaker 2: there are voice of reason, Oh my.
Speaker 1: Gosh, yes, and they're talking about how shitty middle school
Speaker 1: was and weren't you like, yes, it.
Speaker 2: Was, Oh my god, yes, and Terry so specifically seventh
Speaker 2: and eighth. Eighth was my nightmare. I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know about you. What was your worst year in grade?
Speaker 1: Eighth grade were my worst, worthy worst years of.
Speaker 2: My entire life. Oh my god. Eighth grade. Cried every day,
Speaker 2: was bullied in school, junior high school kids following me
Speaker 2: down the hall, A bully older boy kicked in my locker.
Speaker 1: I was constantly teased, I was tortured.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I did it to myself. I feel
Speaker 2: like they was to say, kind of like, you know,
Speaker 2: I told you at the talent show in eighth grade,
Speaker 2: I like wore a wool sweater and sang somebody by
Speaker 2: Depeche Mode, a song about longing for like love, and
Speaker 2: they were even. They were actually pretty nice about that.
Speaker 2: So my my hell was just like self hating. I
Speaker 2: think they weren't that bad. I especially hearing boys just
Speaker 2: totally left me alone. It would be the girls that
Speaker 2: would just be like, oh, are you gonna get a
Speaker 2: Shannon slumber party? You were invited? I got it is
Speaker 2: more like that, huh. But then I would get invited
Speaker 2: it would be just fine, So I don't see, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I had very few friends, and it was also a
Speaker 1: case of even my club, I had a couple, like
Speaker 1: two good friends. But then I found out at some
Speaker 1: point that when people, I mean, because I was bullied,
Speaker 1: like people hated me. So when I found out that
Speaker 1: when some people were talking a lot of shit about me,
Speaker 1: my friends were not standing up for me, which looking back,
Speaker 1: I do kind of understand, because it's hard at that
Speaker 1: age to be like, shut up, don't talk about Stephanie
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 2: You know you want to just.
Speaker 1: But but I think they were going along with it,
Speaker 1: you know, which was very When I found out, I
Speaker 1: was really upset.
Speaker 2: That is heartbreaking. Yes, seventh and eighth especially got in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles. I can't imagine what that. Dallas is tough.
Speaker 2: Where were you? I was in seven Bocan, Washington. So
Speaker 2: that's just now you're all like Twilight, You're like you
Speaker 2: needed like a vampire werewolf thing. This is what I
Speaker 2: think you needed. Now. I don't know if you know
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about, but you know, like if you
Speaker 2: were just sort of awkward and you're up there in
Speaker 2: the Pacific Northwest and it probably gets the sun is weird,
Speaker 2: Oh the weird sun, and so yeah, you needed like
Speaker 2: some really hot vampire dude. That would have been helpful.
Speaker 2: That would have been nice. I mean you would have
Speaker 2: he probably would have tried to turn you, and then
Speaker 2: you would have had to decide between him and this
Speaker 2: like were wolf. If you'd had that going on specifically,
Speaker 2: I think that would have helped. If I'm honest, I
Speaker 2: think you would. I think you're right. I think you're right.
Speaker 2: Who would choose the were wolf? I was always not
Speaker 2: not what's Twilight? Whatever? Yeah, who would choose who? Wouldn't
Speaker 2: have chosen Edward Colin. Who would Anybody out there like
Speaker 2: knows what I'm talking about. You wouldn't choose the werewolf
Speaker 2: over the vampire, right, Like the vampire is sexy as fuck? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: they they just call them narcissists.
Speaker 1: Still very sexy though, Yes, if you had if you
Speaker 1: could go back and redo high school, would you high school?
Speaker 2: I would, just for the fun of it because I
Speaker 2: loved it, So I went to performing arts high school,
Speaker 2: so I would. Yeah. Could I be a mime again? Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Would you? No? No, that was those were bad times
Speaker 2: for me. I mean, some of it sucked for me,
Speaker 2: but it was very self inflicted. It was always about
Speaker 2: a boy, right, it was always you know, so that
Speaker 2: I would if I could change that mindset and not
Speaker 2: waste so much time like crying over Andy Dean or whatever. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: But what would you change? I mean I don't think
Speaker 2: I could change it. It was just bad all around.
Speaker 2: So you're saying, if you could go back and relive it,
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, there's some parts I would, but I
Speaker 2: guess it wasn't you know, I might be romanticizing it,
Speaker 2: But junior high. I think the question is what would
Speaker 2: you do differently.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would do anything. I was
Speaker 1: a total victim. I was such a Shannon like it
Speaker 1: was all happening to me, and everybody was mean and
Speaker 1: assholes I could see.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've fluctuated between that. I take no responsibility. Well,
Speaker 2: I was always trying to be different, so I was
Speaker 2: like kind of gothy sometimes and that was probably, but
Speaker 2: they always accepted it. I would do it and they'd
Speaker 2: be like, that's a cute, that's so cute. Weird blazer.
Speaker 2: I'd wear these like huge, oversized, like shoulder pad blazers
Speaker 2: with brooches. You know. I was very I was very
Speaker 2: pretty and pink Molly Ringwold right, That's exactly who I was.
Speaker 2: And they but they liked, they were like you that
Speaker 2: so I couldn't do anything. I couldn't. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: But then I just still self hated. By the way,
Speaker 2: at the end of this scene where Terry's talking about
Speaker 2: Junior High, his little face got into a circle and
Speaker 2: then it became the moon. They put his face in
Speaker 2: a circle, but they had it just like hanging on
Speaker 2: the screen and then it became the moon. So nice.
Speaker 1: I do want to say that. I thought this was
Speaker 1: interesting and this doesn't happen a lot, but Heather was
Speaker 1: trying to say. She's like, look, I want to protect
Speaker 1: my kids, because she was talking about whether they should
Speaker 1: live in the OC or in LA, and that the
Speaker 1: kids want to live in LA and Barley Hill specifically,
Speaker 1: by the way, Yeah, but like liberal Los Angeles as
Speaker 1: compared to Republican Orange County. That's what she's talking about.
Speaker 1: And she makes the point and she doesn't overpush the point,
Speaker 1: and I thought this was interesting where she says I
Speaker 1: want to protect my kids. She's talking specifically about putting
Speaker 1: her kids on TV, but she doesn't say should my
Speaker 1: kids be on TV? She says, I don't want to
Speaker 1: hide them, but I don't want to exploit them either,
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to walk this line. And I just
Speaker 1: thought that was really cool. She's saying, like, this is
Speaker 1: not for ratings. I'm not putting my kids out there.
Speaker 1: At the same time, I don't I'm not embarrassed of them,
Speaker 1: and I don't want them to.
Speaker 2: Be embarrassed, like they're who they are. I thought that
Speaker 2: was she's a good mom, They're they're a good they're
Speaker 2: a good family. It's we got to give them that
Speaker 2: they're good parents.
Speaker 1: So then they explain Emily's packing for her trip right,
Speaker 1: and she needs to get her measurements, her measurements. I'm
Speaker 1: starting to like Emily.
Speaker 2: I know you don't. I know, No, I do sometimes
Speaker 2: I do. But the problem is that she's so awful,
Speaker 2: but then can be very nice. So you think, oh, well,
Speaker 2: I guess she's not so bad, but then you forget
Speaker 2: that she gets drunk. She brings sandwiches into the saunas,
Speaker 2: makes you know she's.
Speaker 1: Just I'm liking her now.
Speaker 2: I can't help it. I can't help you. I love
Speaker 2: who I love. Listen, look, I mean I'll never not
Speaker 2: love of John Janssen. You can't. There's nothing you can
Speaker 2: say to make me not love John Jay. Like in
Speaker 2: every way, I understand. Yeah, we love who we love.
Speaker 2: That's you know.
Speaker 1: So's a quick scene of Tamra. What why is this
Speaker 1: show trying to make Tamra happen? They trying to make
Speaker 1: her likable, like, oh, look, Tamra's having a moment with
Speaker 1: her daughter. That's like, you know, she's all of us.
Speaker 1: No she's not.
Speaker 2: We don't like Tamra. No, it's hard to like her.
Speaker 2: She's pretty awful. She really is.
Speaker 1: So then Jen calls Katie there's something I just Jen
Speaker 1: bugs me, and she's so like trying to be like
Speaker 1: she's so obsequious to everyone.
Speaker 2: She's like, Hi, Hi, Jen, you look so pretty and
Speaker 2: Jen goes thanks. She just doesn't care. They both kind
Speaker 2: of bug me. And then the conversation about like, go
Speaker 2: get your money. They're all just saying that, which is
Speaker 2: funny because everybody was yelling at her about trying to
Speaker 2: get her money. So that's the whole thing that Katie
Speaker 2: kind of bonds with her about the fact that you know,
Speaker 2: she has to go to court and it's kind of
Speaker 2: weird that she has to fight for she's fighting for
Speaker 2: temporary custody because she wants more child support. Right, that's
Speaker 2: what's happening. I'm not saying she's not a good mom
Speaker 2: and that she doesn't love her kids. I'm sure she
Speaker 2: loves her kids, but you know, we can see through that.
Speaker 2: And I didn't like the way Katie. I don't know
Speaker 2: about Katie's X. Maybe he's a terrible guy. Sounds like
Speaker 2: he might be, but doesn't he have doesn't he raise
Speaker 2: one of her kids?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: And so yeah, she shades him. She's like everybody runs
Speaker 2: from him, even his hairline. It's like, that is your
Speaker 2: child's father. I would stop enough money, yeah, I agree,
Speaker 2: And then here she is. She's so fucking rich. She's
Speaker 2: like disgustingly rich.
Speaker 1: And she's like, he's like the richest besides Heather. When
Speaker 1: I left my marriage, I left my marriage with nothing. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: what did your like? Sometimes it bugs me when women
Speaker 1: and are just like, oh my, like, your husband owes
Speaker 1: you everything. I don't know. It's like I left with nothing, okay,
Speaker 1: but you could work right right?
Speaker 2: I always feel that too. Yes, support, you know, helping
Speaker 2: support the children. That is a law, and I guess
Speaker 2: there's you know, weren't they in Florida first, So I
Speaker 2: don't know what the alimony law is. Like California and
Speaker 2: Texas are different. So California is in no fault state, right,
Speaker 2: so you have to pay fifty to fifty here, which
Speaker 2: I've always thought was kind of weird too. I've never
Speaker 2: been married though, so I can't I don't know what
Speaker 2: that feels like. But the thing where people say, but
Speaker 2: I got used to this lifestyle even if they don't
Speaker 2: have kids. So for the rest of your life. He
Speaker 2: has to pay you ten thousand dollars a month because
Speaker 2: you got married.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, there is something that's very strange about that.
Speaker 2: And you know, I mean it goes both ways. Women
Speaker 2: have to do it to whoever makes more money.
Speaker 1: Right, But it does bug me when people are are like,
Speaker 1: well I was used to this lifestyle, like like we
Speaker 1: were really rich. So now especially if and like for
Speaker 1: Jin as far as what I've heard, I mean, she left,
Speaker 1: she left her marriage.
Speaker 2: Right with from Will. We don't know exactly what happened,
Speaker 2: but it does suck. Like he I'm sure he does
Speaker 2: not want this all out there. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: he's She's on a housewife show, so that's what you get.
Speaker 2: But like this is they have how many kids?
Speaker 1: Eight?
Speaker 2: Ten? I don't they have like an insane amount of children?
Speaker 2: And I think only three of them live with her?
Speaker 2: Am I wrong about this? Because like they only showed
Speaker 2: the three of them with her and Ryan don't they
Speaker 2: have Like it's crazy? So where are all these other kids?
Speaker 1: Well, some of them were hit, some of them were
Speaker 1: not hers, right, and also some of those kids are
Speaker 1: aren't they Ryan's too?
Speaker 2: Oh? Maybe? Yeah, I don't know. I get confused because
Speaker 2: Gina had that going on, they all seek Katie has
Speaker 2: that too, right, so I don't know who's who or whatever,
Speaker 2: but yeah, so she's upset about that, so they have
Speaker 2: that conversation.
Speaker 1: Katie also does try to like like, Katie will take
Speaker 1: any opportunity to talk about how poor she was when
Speaker 1: she left her marriage with nothing. And it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear you complain about that because you
Speaker 1: married a guy clearly for money that you're pretending that
Speaker 1: you know, you love that I now with twice a day. Yes,
Speaker 1: but your golfer guy like who.
Speaker 2: You're like, no, but he's so hot.
Speaker 1: No he's not. But you're still want to like she
Speaker 1: just wants us to feel bad for her, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you don't understand when I left I had I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: These people annoy me. Yeah, no they do and they
Speaker 2: should then, all right, So then we get on a
Speaker 2: private jet speaking of money.
Speaker 1: And yet I'm sticking up for Heather. Well, I get
Speaker 1: who's the richest of all of them. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: I flew on a private jet one time, one time,
Speaker 2: and yes, and it was amazing. And if I ever
Speaker 2: given the opportunity, I would probably do it a million
Speaker 2: more times, and then I would just be like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't drive car, right, my car bonef footprint is
Speaker 2: still really low, right. I don't ah, I don't know
Speaker 2: what if that's my new catchphrase. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's pretty nice. But they get it's
Speaker 2: weird though in private jets where they have no rules
Speaker 2: for them, like you could put your seatbelt on or
Speaker 2: you don't have to, right. She is like that though,
Speaker 2: you can do whatever the fuck you want. So uh, okay.
Speaker 1: So they're on the jet and they're trying to figure
Speaker 1: out who is going to sit next to whom because
Speaker 1: they're you know, because Heather's nobody wants to sit next
Speaker 1: to certain people, right, I get so who like Okay,
Speaker 1: So they're arranging.
Speaker 2: It, well, they're putting they want Lexus and Shannon obviously
Speaker 2: not to be and then Heather doesn't want to sit
Speaker 2: next to Ca. She's like, I'm fine with it, but
Speaker 2: I don't want to say that she just doesn't like her.
Speaker 2: And I get it, okay because.
Speaker 1: Katie, yes, because this is the thing that upsets me.
Speaker 1: It's like, but everybody's like, could you just be like
Speaker 1: give her a chance? And be friends with her. If
Speaker 1: somebody came for you that hard, would you be embracing them?
Speaker 1: Like if somebody's idea of how they were going to
Speaker 1: handle their season on the show was like I'm going
Speaker 1: to take Heather down, I don't think I'd be like, okay, cool, cool,
Speaker 1: Like I get it.
Speaker 2: You just wanted to take me down for no reason.
Speaker 2: You don't know me.
Speaker 1: But your idea of how you were going to come
Speaker 1: out on this season was to try to convince everybody
Speaker 1: that I'm horrible and called the paparazzi on myself.
Speaker 2: Unless if I may push back, and you know, I
Speaker 2: know you hate it when I do this, but I
Speaker 2: unless it's all just fake, like they had to come
Speaker 2: up with some I think a lot of storylines are real,
Speaker 2: but maybe that's one that they kind of cooked up.
Speaker 2: And Heather's fine with it. She's like, what's the worst? She?
Speaker 2: I mean, she does not really care if they say that.
Speaker 2: I think, you know what I mean. I don't think.
Speaker 2: I think it's possible that she was sort of in
Speaker 2: on that being a storyline.
Speaker 1: That's possible, you could be right, which.
Speaker 2: Heather would not like hearing if it's true, so that
Speaker 2: she doesn't like the idea of manipulating, but it's manipulating
Speaker 2: to hurt herself and it's not going to really hurt her.
Speaker 1: Well, here's a storyline that people aren't in on, which
Speaker 1: is that they're gossiping about the fact that Emily asks
Speaker 1: Shannon if she's got on any dates and Shannon's like, no,
Speaker 1: I haven't gone on any dates. Then Emily's like, well,
Speaker 1: just don't buy him fair gamos. So then we find
Speaker 1: out because Gina tells us that right before they got
Speaker 1: on the plane, Shannon showed everybody a picture of Alexis
Speaker 1: and Johnny Jay and apparently zoomed in on the shoes
Speaker 1: and then complain that she bought him those shoes.
Speaker 2: That was amazing because they're all they're all looking it
Speaker 2: up and they're like, yeah, they were very expensive. She
Speaker 2: was an ipaid for everything. So then Heather looks it
Speaker 2: up and she's like, I mean they're on sale and
Speaker 2: you get them for like three to four fifty. They're
Speaker 2: not that expensive. Exactly.
Speaker 1: That was such a I.
Speaker 2: Mean bow down to the queen. Sorry, I mean she
Speaker 2: just just's I love her. I do the idea of
Speaker 2: like dsw you know, to her, Yes, four hundred fifty. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Who would spend that?
Speaker 2: She's like, I mean, you know they were clearly not
Speaker 2: that expensive. It just like she's like on sale. And
Speaker 2: then they're all making fun of it, like an I
Speaker 2: think the belt too, And why why were Johnny Jansen
Speaker 2: and we Got and Alexis on an Oscar ret making
Speaker 2: their Oscar carpet debut, Like Gina said, like as though
Speaker 2: there are other red carpets you're going to be on.
Speaker 1: It's all bad.
Speaker 2: But why is Shannon so obsessed with him? She is
Speaker 2: obsessed with him? Why wouldn't you be though if you
Speaker 2: brought this guy onto the show you dated for years,
Speaker 2: that was your guy. You have this horrible breakup and
Speaker 2: then he starts dating someone else from the television show
Speaker 2: that you're on and then comes around and.
Speaker 1: It would be bad.
Speaker 2: But why why are you call? Why are you telling everybody? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I bought him everything. I paid for everything for the
Speaker 1: first half the relationship. Okay, so the second half was
Speaker 1: he paying?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even then I would She's saying, it's even Stephen.
Speaker 2: Then it's even Stephen if she did pay for everything,
Speaker 2: But why is it even Stephen? It's see to me.
Speaker 1: This math doesn't work out if you're saying, well, I
Speaker 1: paid for everything, so therefore that was alone.
Speaker 2: Like, it's kind of the same thing.
Speaker 1: She's trying to claim right now that he gave her
Speaker 1: the money, right, But was she like borrowing? Was she
Speaker 1: keeping an accounting of everything that she was paying for
Speaker 1: and going, you're gonna owe me that money?
Speaker 2: That's what she's saying. I think that's what she's saying.
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm tired of showing the receipts. Well, I mean,
Speaker 2: we're gonna get to that, because that's the huge thing
Speaker 2: at the end where they finally got into it. But
Speaker 2: after they get off the plane, they're having two they're
Speaker 2: in two different cars, I guess. But also, I just
Speaker 2: want to say that Tamra is just such a bitch
Speaker 2: and it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: She said what shoes was Johnny Jay wearing? And Alexis
Speaker 1: yells back, farragamos, like you're such a shitster.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even think Shannon noticed she was.
Speaker 2: She's like, not, she's not well because they didn't show
Speaker 2: her reaction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, every and then everybody's talking about the fact
Speaker 1: that Shannon's like obsessed and then we hear more about
Speaker 1: the fact that there's a video.
Speaker 2: Right, that's in the conversation where they had that. So
Speaker 2: Alexis is talking about the video again. Gina's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't want to do that. That's not cool, right,
Speaker 2: Like we're not doing that.
Speaker 1: But they are right. Well, now they get to don
Speaker 1: Ranch and Katie is like, I don't like nature.
Speaker 2: Hmm oh, I felt like we were all Katie in
Speaker 2: that moment she goes She's like, oh, this is lovely,
Speaker 2: very sponge. I've had this happen. You go to pour
Speaker 2: yourself tea and then a spider was in the tea.
Speaker 2: I could you would jump. I'm with Katie on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know. I wouldn't have been wearing
Speaker 1: like keels and you know, spiked heels and just they
Speaker 1: all really like nature. Yeah they were, Yeah, anyway.
Speaker 2: They were all a little they were all a little over.
Speaker 2: They were all justsed like MC's of some weird like
Speaker 2: yes sort of slay thing everyone with these like long
Speaker 2: blazers and I mean, I'm surprised I didn't have top
Speaker 2: hats and little sticks.
Speaker 1: A hundred percent. That's what I was thinking, the same thing.
Speaker 1: I'm like what is with all these long blazers with
Speaker 1: like the double like the buttons, like you're band leading, right.
Speaker 2: Your band, or you're gonna go like English horseback riding. Yes,
Speaker 2: they all just I like the look. I just didn't
Speaker 2: like the look for this particular situation. They look ridiculous.
Speaker 2: But they were all to give Katie a little bit
Speaker 2: of a break. They were all doing that.
Speaker 1: Yes, they were all doing it. So then they go
Speaker 1: to lunch and everyone's sitting at separate tables and Shannon's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is rough. Yeah you know what. So I'm on vacation,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna have just vodka.
Speaker 2: You can like hear yeah, vodka and cranber, like you
Speaker 2: can hear the room go like you know what I
Speaker 2: mean that, Like like there's this thing where even Gina's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: well I'm sober, so it shouldn't be shouldn't be that
Speaker 2: hard for her not to drink. But see, I don't
Speaker 2: think it works like that. I think that the more
Speaker 2: because they are at a vineyard, the whole thing is
Speaker 2: a wine tasting thing, the whole event is, and Shannon's
Speaker 2: not sober. She's absolutely not gotten there. So the more
Speaker 2: that it's supposed to look like she's not supposed to
Speaker 2: do it. She can't. She like can't not do it.
Speaker 1: Right, But it's just she also keeps saying that she
Speaker 1: doesn't have a problem with alcohol, and if she decides
Speaker 1: if it, if it, if it seems like she does,
Speaker 1: then she will have no problem like quitting, then she'll
Speaker 1: address it. But I think the point is like, but
Speaker 1: you clearly do. And I think that's what people are
Speaker 1: starting to kind of absolutely she clearly does and.
Speaker 2: Can't not drink. And you're drinking at lunch.
Speaker 1: You're ordering vodka, which I get, like somebody else ordered,
Speaker 1: you know, a mocha martini, which you know, is starting
Speaker 1: to really irritate me.
Speaker 2: See I love that shit, I love it. I love
Speaker 2: it chocolate. I love a chocolate drink. Well, no, it's
Speaker 2: a I know they're delicious, they were delicious. What if
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm having one right now. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, Stepie, I.
Speaker 1: Know, But it's it's more of the stop trying. They
Speaker 1: have to constantly name check espresso martinis and mocha martini's, Like,
Speaker 1: we get it, that's what you're drinking now. But but yes,
Speaker 1: the thing is that it's just kind of showcasing. If
Speaker 1: you're at lunch, if you if you know you're going
Speaker 1: to a wine tasting later, but you can't not order vodka.
Speaker 1: It's not even vodka cranberry at that point, she's just
Speaker 1: ordering vodka. I think it was vodka soda. You're just
Speaker 1: ordering yah at lunch. That's what people are gonna comment.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but like, yeah, I'm ena it was finally.
Speaker 1: Gina's been the most giving about it. But yeah, when
Speaker 1: she's like, I don't know, like Tamra's here and you
Speaker 1: know she's been on you and I'm sober, Like this
Speaker 1: should be kind of easier to not drink.
Speaker 2: There's a world in which they could all just go
Speaker 2: to lunch before a wine tasting and support their friend
Speaker 2: Shannon and not drink. Because if they all didn't get
Speaker 2: a drink, then she that wouldn't be that hard. I
Speaker 2: agree with you, unless they all have a little issue,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying the rest of them don't. I
Speaker 1: just think it's she's on the hot seat for it.
Speaker 1: I think she has the worst. She has a real problem.
Speaker 1: We can see it.
Speaker 2: We can see it in her face, the way she
Speaker 2: looks like she definitely she's not call it, there's no question.
Speaker 2: But we we used to make the distinction between the countess.
Speaker 2: I think you always sort of did that too. Where
Speaker 2: the Countess had some drinking is is she kind of
Speaker 2: got a hold of it and now seems to just
Speaker 2: drink a little at a time. Although I think that
Speaker 2: changed back and now she's like getting drunk again. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but for a while you were thinking like maybe the
Speaker 2: Countess could, maybe she wasn't. Maybe she got a handle
Speaker 2: on it and can have one glass of wine, right,
Speaker 2: and maybe I don't. I mean, who are we to
Speaker 2: know im?
Speaker 1: We can't know, like just because but we can't know.
Speaker 1: It's just odd. It's odd that Shannon had such such
Speaker 1: huge consequences her drinking. I mean, it's that's not.
Speaker 2: Oh no, she's she's got a she's got a very
Speaker 2: bad problem. And it's hard to watch, ye And I
Speaker 2: wish sometimes production would step in. I know they can't.
Speaker 2: I know they're making a show, but I want you know,
Speaker 2: there's a certain point where you're watching it's like the
Speaker 2: same with the Bachelor, like you're gonna let her just
Speaker 2: cry like that. Yeah, you're going to torture her. I
Speaker 2: just think, you know, they're they're certain, they're making all
Speaker 2: these things out Hall related. I agree with you. I
Speaker 2: agree with you. It's a bad look. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was a bad look for ABC with The Bachelor,
Speaker 1: and it's a bad look for Bravo with Shannon. She's
Speaker 1: not well, right, She's really not well, and she's teetering
Speaker 1: on the edge, and we're just like exploiting it. And
Speaker 1: then it is pretty disgusting that like Alexis is in
Speaker 1: all these scenes, like.
Speaker 2: You know, I know they're fucking with her.
Speaker 1: There's no reason for that. There's no reason for Alexis
Speaker 1: to be on this season. I mean, it's obviously they're
Speaker 1: they're trying. It's it's really kind of the definition of
Speaker 1: gaslighting in a way.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 1: It can't say crazy.
Speaker 2: She needs money, so she can't turn it down. She
Speaker 2: she's needs it, right, So yeah, no, it sucks. So
Speaker 2: then it shows Alexis and was it jamdh was it Tamera?
Speaker 1: Well I have that we find out that Alexis and
Speaker 1: and Johnny Jay walked the red carpet and they teased
Speaker 1: an engagement, and then Shannon is like hmm, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean Johnny Jay didn't want to be public, you know,
Speaker 1: with me, like, but now he's fine with it.
Speaker 2: Like she is just really obsessed with his relationship. Wait
Speaker 2: for that downfall of that. Really, I can't wait for
Speaker 2: Alexis to realize what a nightmare Johnny Jay is. But
Speaker 2: she never will because she stands by her man to
Speaker 2: the end, no matter how vile they are. She did
Speaker 2: it with Jim, and she had no problem with Jim
Speaker 2: suing all her friends, including camera. Right, you're right, Alexis
Speaker 2: is pretty awful except for this one thing where we
Speaker 2: like that she supports you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not even like she's the one who's
Speaker 1: organized this trip.
Speaker 2: She's just going. So we're going to give Heather all
Speaker 2: the credit for that, for sure, Shannon says. At this point,
Speaker 2: she's she's finally made an offer. She wasn't going to
Speaker 2: but she made it basically an offer of about half,
Speaker 2: So we don't go into that yet, but that comes
Speaker 2: out right, and has made an offer.
Speaker 1: But then she just starts crying again about it. Right,
Speaker 1: She's mad that she's like, I offered him a lot
Speaker 1: of money, a lot, and they're like, how much she
Speaker 1: goes half?
Speaker 2: It's always Emily, but half is thirty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but okay, this is what irritates me though. If
Speaker 1: she borrowed that money to have a facelift, let's just say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people feel that he gifted
Speaker 1: it to her, but just let's just say. Let's just
Speaker 1: say that he was like, she wanted a facelift, and
Speaker 1: he was like, I'll give you the money and you
Speaker 1: can pay it back when you have it. Right, this
Speaker 1: will just say, well, then it's not really a lot.
Speaker 1: Then all of this is on principle. She has the money,
Speaker 1: she's being paid very well to be on the show.
Speaker 1: Her dad is rich. Her dad is like fight him
Speaker 1: in court, and.
Speaker 2: David is rich, and he's paying for the kids, probably
Speaker 2: for a lot of staff. Right, she could afford to
Speaker 2: pay him back.
Speaker 1: What if she borrowed that money? What she owes him?
Speaker 1: But she's doing a lot, She's really victimizing herself.
Speaker 2: I'm pushing back. Okay, I think that, yes, maybe all
Speaker 2: that's true, but like it's so messed up because if
Speaker 2: it was really that cut and dry, he would have
Speaker 2: some kind of contract, he would have signed something. If
Speaker 2: it was just a straight up loan if that was
Speaker 2: something he was worried about. I don't totally believe that,
Speaker 2: and I think he's completely extorting her with that tape.
Speaker 2: You know, now he's just getting money even if he
Speaker 2: said even look, things change if they're not married, as
Speaker 2: Judge Judy says, then she's not. You don't even get
Speaker 2: to mess with it. Oh well, you gave her money
Speaker 2: for a facelift. Also, she judged. You would be like, well,
Speaker 2: she paid for you for two years to do all this,
Speaker 2: so it's I'm I'm Judges don't take care of shit
Speaker 2: like this. So unless they had a contract, which they
Speaker 2: didn't seemingly, then fuck laugh John Jansen, Okay, you paid
Speaker 2: for a facelift. You guys dated for four years. You're
Speaker 2: an asshole, yes, But I guess the question is like
Speaker 2: if this were the other way around, and a guy
Speaker 2: was like, well, I paid for all of our dates
Speaker 2: the first two years of our relationships, so you know
Speaker 2: we're even either way, even the other way around, our
Speaker 2: queen Judge Judy would be like, yeah, I don't. You
Speaker 2: weren't married. There was no contract. That's just how relationships work.
Speaker 2: You were you were playing house, so you owe the
Speaker 2: person money. If if the person said, like I'm going
Speaker 2: to I'll pay for all of our dates, like just
Speaker 2: paid for stuff because they wanted to, do you owe
Speaker 2: them that money, Because that's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2: It's not about that he's trying to say that. Let's
Speaker 2: say they went back and forth and he paid for
Speaker 2: some stuff and she paid. They were together a long time,
Speaker 2: she paid for a lot whatever. Not about that. But
Speaker 2: if he's saying, like, i'll pay for your facelift, you
Speaker 2: just get me back and that just didn't work out
Speaker 2: and he didn't get a contract, and then he broke
Speaker 2: up with her, Like I don't know. I really just
Speaker 2: sort of am like, dude, how what's his financial status?
Speaker 1: He's like this little but clearly it wasn't like I'll
Speaker 1: pay for your facelift because he why was wiring money
Speaker 1: into her account?
Speaker 2: Being horrible than that? And I don't know that a lawyer.
Speaker 1: I don't know that a lawyer would take that on
Speaker 1: if he had zero proof. She just keeps going it's
Speaker 1: the principle because she I think personally, I think she's
Speaker 1: embarrassed because she was with this guy that was clearly
Speaker 1: like not that into her, didn't pay for anything, is
Speaker 1: now obviously paying for everything for Alexis and being totally
Speaker 1: different with Alexis. Whatever. He's horrible, but I think she's
Speaker 1: embarrassed that she paid for everything. Oh that's why she
Speaker 1: keeps So now she's like, no, it's the principal you
Speaker 1: owe you you have, you should have paid me that money.
Speaker 1: I just don't think you get the money back that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, going, I just have borrowed money from you. You
Speaker 2: wired money into my account, and now I'm not going
Speaker 2: to pay you. M hm hmmm. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know because he's just so terrible. I try to
Speaker 2: put myself in her shoes, and I'm just like, I
Speaker 2: don't know if i'd want to pay that dude. So
Speaker 2: she was like, I'll give you half. You probably you
Speaker 2: owe me shit too, so you paid for this, you
Speaker 2: owe me whatever. So she's like, all right, here's half.
Speaker 2: He's not taking it because he's a piece of shit.
Speaker 2: So then because he knows what, he has it over her, right,
Speaker 2: which is using her worst day against her, which too bad.
Speaker 2: She doesn't have him on ring camera because allegedly he
Speaker 2: was we didn't see, you know, but he was supposedly
Speaker 2: could have been pretty abusive, he yelled at her. I
Speaker 2: don't know if he was physically abusive, but he was
Speaker 2: pretty awful. Yeah, like Shannon's kids hated him, and I
Speaker 2: mean also the same could be said for David the Door.
Speaker 2: I mean that was part of that. You know, who
Speaker 2: knows how.
Speaker 1: He's gross, Like, there's no world in which I'm sticking
Speaker 1: up for him.
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1: You know, you feel like and so do the other girls
Speaker 1: feel like, just pay him back the fucking money, right and.
Speaker 2: Get it done with. And it's like, very great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if you can pay him half, you
Speaker 1: can pay him what, you can pay him the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Or set up he's saying, set up.
Speaker 1: A payment set up a payment plan. But she won't
Speaker 1: do that. She's like, no, it's the principle. Well what
Speaker 1: principle you elected? You freely paid for all the dates,
Speaker 1: and now you just won't stop talking about how much
Speaker 1: you paid for everything. Well, then you should have been
Speaker 1: keeping records of every single thing you paid for and
Speaker 1: said that that's alone, right, I don't know. To me,
Speaker 1: To me, it's just like, oh my god, Shannon, just
Speaker 1: pay him so that every scene doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: about John Janssen.
Speaker 2: You know, and the words of the great Judge Udy,
Speaker 2: don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining true.
Speaker 2: Well that's our show, okay, okay. Wait, So they go
Speaker 2: to meet with a family equality that's why they're there, Yes,
Speaker 2: organization that is amazing. You are.
Speaker 1: Like Alexis is like, look, people, kids, people should be
Speaker 1: free to be themselves and there shouldn't nobody should be
Speaker 1: legislating that.
Speaker 2: Amen, unless it's legislative court where John Jansen sue Shannon
Speaker 2: That right, right, But I like that they they're explaining
Speaker 2: what family equality is. They come in they were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we sued Florida. We sued the governor of Florida for
Speaker 2: the don't say gay law, and we want are the.
Speaker 1: True is that off that they don't that doesn't exist anymore?
Speaker 1: That don't say gay.
Speaker 2: Is I think they got here's my what I without
Speaker 2: looking it up, I think they got money for it,
Speaker 2: and then that money went into like helping their group,
Speaker 2: like helping people that need help. That I mean, I
Speaker 2: can look this up because I don't think they I
Speaker 2: don't think they got the law off the books, but
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Let me look it up. Well you
Speaker 2: go on. While I'm looking it.
Speaker 1: Up, I'm looking it up to don't Say No. But
Speaker 1: then equality Florida.
Speaker 2: Help.
Speaker 1: They're still trying to fight this, right, it seems like
Speaker 1: it's still there.
Speaker 2: No, That's what I'm saying is I think they got
Speaker 2: some money for suing that they were awarded like some
Speaker 2: kind of oh okay, you can yet.
Speaker 1: No it says. It says students and teachers in Florida
Speaker 1: can now discuss sexual orientation and gender identity in classrooms
Speaker 1: as long as it's not part of formal instruction. It's
Speaker 1: an important change after a new settlement between state education
Speaker 1: officials and civil rights attorneys who challenged the so called
Speaker 1: Don't Say Gay law. And that was from March fourteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. So yes, so hell, yes, Yes they're
Speaker 1: quality family family equality.
Speaker 2: I'm going to give them some money after we finish. Yes,
Speaker 2: And doesn't it like it's crazy to me that we're
Speaker 2: having to fight to get back to where we already were,
Speaker 2: the progress we'd already made. Now we have to fight
Speaker 2: back that we can. We can even just say that
Speaker 2: I'm gay. You can just even say it, Like our
Speaker 2: fucking country is so backwards right now in some places. Yes, Okay,
Speaker 2: so that's in too many places. So good for them,
Speaker 2: we love them. We're going to give them a plug
Speaker 2: at the end. So and again I'm good for Heather.
Speaker 2: So she does this champagne glad, which I thought was
Speaker 2: kind of adorable.
Speaker 1: You did Yeah. I was just like, it's so funny
Speaker 1: that everything is like Heather's like, that's instead of just yeah,
Speaker 1: I gave them a million dollars, it's like, yeah, so
Speaker 1: I decided to do a champagne champs, but all.
Speaker 2: The money, all the proceeds of that, so it's fun
Speaker 2: for everybody. You can raise so much money. I'll buy
Speaker 2: that champagne. Each one is like influenced by one of
Speaker 2: her children.
Speaker 1: I think it was just adorable.
Speaker 2: I wanted to go into it, like what why what
Speaker 2: are these notes? I thought that was really cool. I
Speaker 2: like that moment, even though that's just horrific for Shannon,
Speaker 2: it just has to be part of that. Yes.
Speaker 1: So then Jen shows up out of no word. She's like, I, yeah,
Speaker 1: did you get them money? Did you get camera? Who
Speaker 1: yelled at her for like not having Yeah, oh it's
Speaker 1: still that's still coming. She's like, yeah, it didn't go.
Speaker 2: Well, She's like, I got I got six thousand a month,
Speaker 2: but I have to take care of five kids with it,
Speaker 2: and then but basically, yeah, Tamra's like, yeah, but she
Speaker 2: still lives with Ryan, so she's going to rely on
Speaker 2: that and probably use that as.
Speaker 1: An excuse to not get a job.
Speaker 2: Bitch, right, She's she's not even paying like she's probably
Speaker 2: assume Ryan's paying the mortgage or whatever on the on
Speaker 2: their house, so she doesn't have to pay rent for this, right,
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't care. I mean, can
Speaker 2: you can six thousand? I'm sure he's paying for a
Speaker 2: lot of the food so and electric bills and stuff.
Speaker 2: So what is six thousand for five? Like you can
Speaker 2: do that without having to pay a mortgage?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, that's almost one thousand dollars a kid. That's
Speaker 1: and that's just child support, so right, I mean, if
Speaker 1: she's not paying part of the mortgage, which she obviously
Speaker 1: couldn't afford, but she could also well she's also making
Speaker 1: money from real housewives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that I forgot about that. Yeah, I'm I mean,
Speaker 2: oh god, I want to meet this ex husband. She's like,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't even look at me. The last time we
Speaker 2: were at the court, which was sad. It was like
Speaker 2: we were adopting one of our kids, and now you
Speaker 2: won't look at me. It's like, what did you do well?
Speaker 2: She cheated on him? Oh well, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: So I mean, yeah, oh my god. So wait, temporary custody.
Speaker 2: I don't even understand how this So it really is
Speaker 2: all about money. The custody part doesn't really matter because
Speaker 2: the kids are going to live wherever they want to live,
Speaker 2: right o god, Okay, So then, oh, this is interesting.
Speaker 2: Then it comes up that there's something they're talking about
Speaker 2: Shannon again and they're like, yeah, this thing happened. And
Speaker 2: then there was these pictures of Shannon. She ubered to
Speaker 2: a bar by herself and then was like photographed take
Speaker 2: like drinking by herself.
Speaker 1: And wasn't it? Am I crazy? Or was the bar.
Speaker 2: At a mall? I don't know. Maybe let's say it
Speaker 2: what I thought it was, she.
Speaker 1: To the mall and then sat at a bar in
Speaker 1: the mall and ordered to drink by yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That makes me so sad. And look, we're not
Speaker 2: saying that's the worst thing that a person could get, Like,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not saying I would go to the
Speaker 2: mall and get a drink by myself necessarily, but I
Speaker 2: wouldn't necessarily not. But when she's in the limelight like
Speaker 2: this is you and I am worried about her physical health.
Speaker 2: I mean, would you go to a bar by yourself
Speaker 2: and just order a drink? Yeah, not at the mall
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles. But I think if I was just
Speaker 2: during the day, like at the airport, for sure. There
Speaker 2: have been times where I've had like a long layover
Speaker 2: and you know, I don't know what time it is
Speaker 2: at the airport and rest.
Speaker 1: But she's not at the She wasn't at the airport.
Speaker 2: I mean no, probably not no, But I don't know
Speaker 2: if you're having lunch, Like, there's a lot more to it.
Speaker 2: Like let's say, let's say I was in Dallas and
Speaker 2: I was like just trying to kind of kill some
Speaker 2: time during the day, and I went and had lunch
Speaker 2: at Benigan's, which, okay didn't exist anymore.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I might get a drink. Okay, But let
Speaker 1: me push back, because Shannon hears about the story and
Speaker 1: she lot She's like, oh, yeah, yeah, it wasn't it
Speaker 1: was a sparkling water with Cranberry. And that's when I've
Speaker 1: never sat at a bar alone to order a mocktail.
Speaker 2: Never ever, ever, especially since in front of them she's
Speaker 2: still drinking. So you think behind the scenes by yourself,
Speaker 2: she's gonna get a mocked tail exactly. No, if she's
Speaker 2: gonna get a mocktail, she'd do it at the thing, right.
Speaker 2: Oh that is yeah. No, it's sad. It's really hard
Speaker 2: to watch and talk about, but maybe it's the best
Speaker 2: thing for her.
Speaker 1: So now it's time for I also do feel like
Speaker 1: she's so desperate for this money to be on the show,
Speaker 1: because who would do this? Who would be on this show?
Speaker 1: They're treating her so poorly. I know I'm being harsh
Speaker 1: on her, but I'm just saying, like, it's crazy that
Speaker 1: she's even putting up with it.
Speaker 2: I know it really is.
Speaker 1: It's really well, really humiliating and embarrassing. And if I
Speaker 1: were her children, I would just be mortified that this
Speaker 1: is all playing out publicly.
Speaker 2: I know. Well, so then they go to the SPA,
Speaker 2: and I wanted your take on that. Like I I
Speaker 2: when they come out and they're like, I'm a perfumer
Speaker 2: or whatever she says. You know, I hate all this time.
Speaker 2: I know you do, and you know it's I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it, and it's so like I kind of
Speaker 2: was like, I kind of want to make you go
Speaker 2: do this just to see. But then Emily is not
Speaker 2: like the other girls, like okay, think of a scent
Speaker 2: that you really like, and she's like a dogs or
Speaker 2: didn't say that like tacos.
Speaker 1: Yeah see see that's well.
Speaker 2: I don't push back like I thought that was funny.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of funny, but it's just like
Speaker 2: we get it. You're really tough Emily. I don't think
Speaker 2: she's try I literally think she wasn't trying to be funny.
Speaker 2: I think she just didn't understand the assignment and was like, okay,
Speaker 2: that's fair, here's a smell I like tacos, which I
Speaker 2: just thought it was funny because she wasn't. She wasn't
Speaker 2: understanding that they're like no, like eucalyptus or you know,
Speaker 2: right right right lavender. I love that though, although the
Speaker 2: poor like assistant that had to come out and like
Speaker 2: explain a lot of stuff seemed so young and like
Speaker 2: new and didn't really even understand how the shit worked
Speaker 2: that I don't like, like if I'm going to pay
Speaker 2: big money at the spot for the perfumer or whatever.
Speaker 2: You better know your shit. You can't come out and
Speaker 2: be like hi, ladies, Okay, I'm gonna take you guys
Speaker 2: back and then we have your lavender wraps and like
Speaker 2: it's like I need more authority. Yes, And it's experience.
Speaker 1: It also has that thing of where like where you're
Speaker 1: at a restaurant and it's sort of an inexperienced waiter
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, a lot of people like this.
Speaker 1: A lot of people order the you know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of a favorite. Like a lot of people really like
Speaker 1: the mac and cheese here.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I hate that, like or yeah, she
Speaker 2: seemed like somebody that was shadowing the job. Maybe we
Speaker 2: don't shadow the job when we're filming for the Housewives
Speaker 2: and you're trying to like get your spa on the
Speaker 2: you know, we're doing an advertisement for your spa. It's
Speaker 2: poor girl. I mean, she did her best, she did
Speaker 2: better than I could do, but she just was she
Speaker 2: was too inexperienced for the moment. Yes, that's why she's
Speaker 2: like yes, And then there's this one Okay, so these
Speaker 2: are awake, rejuvenate whatever I really like awake, and Emily's
Speaker 2: not having it at that moment. She's like, yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: how much can I put in here? Just grabs a
Speaker 2: bottle and just try that. I did. I did enjoy that.
Speaker 2: I want to like Emily. She just makes it hard sometimes. Okay,
Speaker 2: So then I just wrote love Gina. I can't read
Speaker 2: my handwriting. Oh Gina gets a new dog. That's what
Speaker 2: I wrote. Yes, yes, everyone that she has a dog.
Speaker 1: And because of my house, I'm having all this construction
Speaker 1: at my house. So now I gotta stay with Treavi,
Speaker 1: which is hard for him, Like.
Speaker 2: She kicks him out then puts all this money into
Speaker 2: her own house.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Basically, she's like, maybe Traavis doesn't like that. Maybe it
Speaker 2: looks like I'm moving on without Trevis. But you know,
Speaker 2: like maybe if you're so rich that you don't need
Speaker 2: Travis anymore, like maybe get a hotel or just live
Speaker 2: through the construction like everybody else.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're Travis.
Speaker 2: I always together though it's okay, I yes, but.
Speaker 1: Is he just putting up with Like is he just
Speaker 1: like I guess you know if I know we're not
Speaker 1: because she kept saying like, I don't know if we're
Speaker 1: ever going to live together again.
Speaker 2: So is she giving this poor guy false hope? I
Speaker 2: don't know. I think it does come back to the
Speaker 2: kids her. He's got this awful divorce with his ex
Speaker 2: right being awful, and then it's really chaotic for all
Speaker 2: her kids, and she's like, I don't want to put
Speaker 2: them through that. This is these are their formative years.
Speaker 2: I don't I can't do it so for their safety.
Speaker 2: But I mean by the time when they're eighteen, they
Speaker 2: could live together, right. I guess I don't know work
Speaker 2: this shit out, but yeah, my daughter. I asked my daughter.
Speaker 2: I was like, you want to go three episodes and
Speaker 2: she's like yeah, yeah, okay. So then Shannon gets a
Speaker 2: call from.
Speaker 1: It and they show the daughters like crying. That's the
Speaker 1: thing that was so weird is she's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't want to be doing this to like my my kids,
Speaker 1: but like they want to, and then cut to her
Speaker 1: kids like sobbing about it.
Speaker 2: She's like, it's gonna be okay, O God, Yeah, they've
Speaker 2: been through a lot, these kids. Yeah, it's a lot
Speaker 2: they all have, so, I mean all their kids. But
Speaker 2: so Shannon gets a call from her lawyer. This is
Speaker 2: big John did not accept the offer. Absolutely not, and
Speaker 2: he's ready to go to court, but he didn't take half. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so now I wrote, now Emily gets Now Emily's being nice.
Speaker 2: I wish she's always could use her her power for
Speaker 2: good because she is powerful. M h, let's use it
Speaker 2: for good, Emily, for the next time that you get
Speaker 2: drunk and decide to yell at people. Not great. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I didn't hate her in this moment, so then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, uh, and Shannon's like, I won't go
Speaker 1: up another penny. It's the principle. So yeah, So everybody
Speaker 1: rallies around her, But at some point, don't you think
Speaker 1: they're kind of like, oh my god, enough, like enough Jim.
Speaker 2: I think because they're seeing her breakdown the way that
Speaker 2: they are there, they've softened, at least this group has. Yes,
Speaker 2: they've softened, and they do tiptoe around her. But then
Speaker 2: you got the other group and they're having a discussion
Speaker 2: about it, and Alexis is like, yeah, Johnny, and so
Speaker 2: they somebody she said she Alexis is like, at some
Speaker 2: point I was just like, just settle Johnny, but he's not,
Speaker 2: like he won't and I'm behind him all the way
Speaker 2: or whatever. Right, And also John's an alcoholic. I love
Speaker 2: all the finger pointing, but he drank just as much
Speaker 2: as she did.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that was half their relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, yes, So he's ready to go in
Speaker 2: and sue and then this is the big moment, they're
Speaker 2: all talking whatever.
Speaker 1: He also usually takes an alcoholic to be getting so
Speaker 1: mad at somebody else, like to be interesting, constantly going like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's such an alcoholic. So I'm sure they drank together.
Speaker 2: But oh yeah they did. We saw it, We saw it.
Speaker 2: He was not great, and I don't always see that shit.
Speaker 2: Well I wasn't why, I mean, was that on the
Speaker 2: show a lot at that time? Yeah, he was on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see I never saw him on the show, so
Speaker 1: I don't I don't. I guess I don't know. I
Speaker 1: didn't watch that season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you didn't. So he was pretty awful. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he was drunk. They were always getting drunk. That
Speaker 2: was their thing. Okay, for sure. So he's just he's
Speaker 2: he's not great. But it came right after David Badore.
Speaker 2: So you're sort of like, I don't know, because Shannon's not.
Speaker 2: Shannon's so codependent on these guys, as is Alexis, as
Speaker 2: is so many of these people, so you're just like,
Speaker 2: I don't even know. Maybe he's better than David. I
Speaker 2: don't know. They always seem okay at first, like Brooks, right,
Speaker 2: Brooks was filling up that love tank, as Vicky used
Speaker 2: to say, but you know he was the worst of them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So okay, now guess we're sort of what we're saying
Speaker 2: is Terry's starting to look really good. Terry's not as
Speaker 2: fun if we're just basing it, especially when it becomes
Speaker 2: the moon. That little thing that was cute that they did.
Speaker 2: You have to go back and watch that. They just
Speaker 2: put a circle around his head and then it just turned.
Speaker 1: Into yes, I saw it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So now let me let's talk about this video
Speaker 2: because this is where it actually gets exciting, at the
Speaker 2: very end of the episode. So, Gina, wait, I've got.
Speaker 1: So many more pages. This is you're at the end
Speaker 1: of the episode.
Speaker 2: No, no, I have a full page.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have. Yeah. They start talking about the fact
Speaker 1: that uh yeah, they're all like okay. The other group
Speaker 1: is saying, like, just pay him, she should just pay him.
Speaker 1: But then Jen, Alexis, Heather, and Tamra start talking about
Speaker 1: the fact that Heather invited Katie just to be inclusive, right,
Speaker 1: and there's kind of makeing fun of her, but Heather's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be cordial, but like, we don't need
Speaker 1: to be friends. And I just wrote I fully agree
Speaker 1: with this. Yeas everybody's so bought into the fact that,
Speaker 1: like Heather needs to be best friends with Katie, Heather
Speaker 1: could be friends with whoever the fuck she wants to
Speaker 1: be friends with. She's not mean, she's never she has
Speaker 1: not been mean to Heather. She's not causing any arguments.
Speaker 1: But at the thing when when she invited her and
Speaker 1: and Katie, I'm talking about Katie, and Katie kept trying
Speaker 1: to push like, hey, I just really want to apologize,
Speaker 1: and Heather was like, we don't need to.
Speaker 2: I don't want to litigate this like the way I
Speaker 2: expect this because we'd already exactly had this conversation before,
Speaker 2: not you and I. But Heather, like I felt like
Speaker 2: I was so ready because they kept showing in previews
Speaker 2: that we were going to get to this video, right,
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I don't care. I can't not you. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying this to you, but like I can't I
Speaker 2: can't keep trying to make Katie a thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's fine, we're at the video I'm at
Speaker 1: the video part. I'm caught up with you.
Speaker 2: Okay. So then so this is I got so excited,
Speaker 2: I mean not excited, that's not that's the wrong word,
Speaker 2: but just ready to actually have content because so Gina, Okay,
Speaker 2: here's the question. Gina says that he was in an accident.
Speaker 2: She says, for those who don't know, like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: that video thing, and she Hannon's like, what video thing?
Speaker 2: What video thing? So I think Keena did it on
Speaker 2: purpose to like get the storyline going. Yes, you think
Speaker 2: so too? Oh yeah, of course. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If it wasn't if it was truly an accident, then
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have even shown it, don't you think.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think it's a good thing
Speaker 2: that they did. It turned out to be a good thing.
Speaker 2: It got Shannon to do the thing to just like
Speaker 2: make it stop right in some way.
Speaker 1: Also, did kind of tell you that it was I
Speaker 1: definitely think he was extorting her, absolutely, because clearly.
Speaker 2: She didn't want that to come out. But she didn't
Speaker 2: even know that. That's what's so weird. You would have
Speaker 2: thought that John Jansen would have like told her that
Speaker 2: earlier just to get his money. But somehow he's like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm going to take you to court, and he didn't.
Speaker 2: She didn't know. Maybe he didn't want her to be
Speaker 2: like prepared. So it's supposed to be a big surprise,
Speaker 2: but everybody else knew. Yeah, I mean I don't, but
Speaker 2: I don't know that I buy that it was such
Speaker 2: a secret.
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I buy that Shannon didn't know.
Speaker 1: And then oh I said anything.
Speaker 2: She's not good of an actress. She was like wait,
Speaker 2: what No, that's felt very real.
Speaker 1: I feel like if that was on camera, I feel
Speaker 1: like there would have been a lot of like stop
Speaker 1: the cameras, what's happening?
Speaker 2: But then why no? I disagree? Why would she be
Speaker 2: that shocked and that upset. I don't think she can
Speaker 2: fake it when they brought it. I don't think she knew.
Speaker 2: I think Gina did on purpose, but I don't think
Speaker 2: Shannon knew. I don't know how because she they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a video.
Speaker 1: So hard on myself and he's trying to take me down.
Speaker 1: I've done so much work on myself. God, he's a monster.
Speaker 1: I don't understand. I'm going to call my lawyer.
Speaker 2: Right, So she goes, she leaves to call the lawyer.
Speaker 2: I just thought, I mean god, at this point I
Speaker 2: did things sort of poor Shannon. And then Gina's like,
Speaker 2: I feel horrible, like do you? But it's like I said,
Speaker 2: it's good she knows. It's good that she knew at
Speaker 2: this point because when we come back, we do have
Speaker 2: a scene before this, but when we come back, she's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just told the lawyers him pay him whatever he wants.
Speaker 1: Well, not exactly, she said, I just said you money
Speaker 1: he wants.
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, she didn't come from like a place of
Speaker 2: strength at this point. But that's why I don't think
Speaker 2: that she knew. She's not an actress. I just think
Speaker 2: is highly unstable. But then why then she was already
Speaker 2: saying I'm not going to do it, and then she's like,
Speaker 2: now the lawyer, I got to call my lawyer. I
Speaker 2: don't know, I believe it. I just don't think they're
Speaker 2: good enough to do that, Like, I don't think she
Speaker 2: knows how to do that. So somehow they just did
Speaker 2: not tell her, and they're like, let's wait for the moment.
Speaker 2: Gina's like, I'm going to take my moment. Now, I
Speaker 2: got to stay on the TV show. I need to
Speaker 2: pay for shit, right right. Yeah, So I think that's
Speaker 2: how that went down. So before we get to that,
Speaker 2: we go back to Alexis's I just wrote Alexis is
Speaker 2: yelling they're back at don Ranch or they're they're all
Speaker 2: at Don Ranch anyway, right, this is yelling.
Speaker 1: I have that Katie and Emily are in hot tubs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they get in the hot the super hot baths
Speaker 2: and they just in here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then they but they're they're they're discussing the fact
Speaker 1: that maybe they should ask Alexis to call off Johnny J.
Speaker 1: And then they're talking about Shannon. They're like, you know,
Speaker 1: she doesn't have a partner, she's she's all alone. Maybe
Speaker 1: Alexis will understand. And then yeah, okay, yeah, so everyone's
Speaker 1: then calling people.
Speaker 2: Are you at that part?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: Camera calls her daughter, who's kind of rude, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: stop trying to humanize Camera.
Speaker 2: And her daughter really And then oh okay, oh, I
Speaker 2: have something to say about this next little part that
Speaker 2: you probably didn't even think about, but it bugs me
Speaker 2: so bad.
Speaker 1: So Jen calls Ryan right and she's like, Hi, Hi, So,
Speaker 1: oh did the kids get blah blah blah. And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I took the kids to soccer and then I got
Speaker 1: on pizza or whatever. And she's like, I'm a lucky girl.
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, I'm lucky because I get to
Speaker 1: sleep it in bed naked with you every night. This
Speaker 1: is so gross and he does this in so many scenes.
Speaker 1: It's so disgusting, and we are going to find out
Speaker 1: what a fucking slimeball this.
Speaker 2: Guy is.
Speaker 1: And why is he Why is he sexualizing her? Why
Speaker 1: is he doing that? It's so weird. Remember he didn't
Speaker 1: remember the other scenes where he was like, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go to Vegas and you know, I don't mind
Speaker 1: paying for everything because I'm going to see your dress
Speaker 1: off of you on the side of the bed, crumpled
Speaker 1: it on the side of the bed, remember, And she's like, he's.
Speaker 2: Horrible, She's horrible. The whole show is horrible. Oh he's
Speaker 2: so gross.
Speaker 1: He's so gross for saying that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he's nasty. I'm not a fan. I just
Speaker 2: you know what it is. Here's what it is, and
Speaker 2: I don't want to sound checked out because I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I've made these notes as well. But
Speaker 2: I think because the show is really only about this
Speaker 2: Shannon situation, like everything else to me so far, other
Speaker 2: than Heather doing good things, it's like nothing, you know,
Speaker 2: It's like like none of that matters except for this tape.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that. I'm glad Alexis is on
Speaker 2: to make the show, but that's the only to me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't care about any of this at all,
Speaker 2: Like even r I mean, it is gross that Ryan
Speaker 2: says things like that, but I'm just like, all I
Speaker 2: can think about is Shannon and her lawyer. Yeah, ui,
Speaker 2: because there's a big scene. We still have one more
Speaker 2: big thing that happens there. She calls, and it's not, no,
Speaker 2: we shouldn't skip over. You're right, like we shouldn't skip over.
Speaker 2: We're recapping the show. But I'm just sort of I
Speaker 2: write down sort of half thoughts and then I'm like, okay, yeah, Channon.
Speaker 2: So like she she's like, as you say, she's like
Speaker 2: give him money once and it's sad. So then she
Speaker 2: decides obviously she's she can't go to dinner, and I
Speaker 2: don't blame her. That's why I think it's all very real.
Speaker 2: She's like, can't get out of her robe, she can't stop.
Speaker 2: She doesn't put makeup on, like it's legit, and she's
Speaker 2: not going to go to dinner, but Heather doesn't to.
Speaker 2: Heather is sort of doing her own things. So she
Speaker 2: comes over and she's like, you're not dressed. This isn't
Speaker 2: dinnerware m hmmm, and she's like, can I talk to you?
Speaker 2: And that moment where Shannon's telling her like Okay, now
Speaker 2: she's going to tell Heather the truth. What did you
Speaker 2: think about this? Or she's like, I woke up in
Speaker 2: the hospital and I don't even remember, but then I remembered.
Speaker 2: I sent Johnny Jay a text. So she's said, okay,
Speaker 2: can you help me understand this moment? She sent a
Speaker 2: photo of herself right after the accident or hospital I
Speaker 2: think right after the accident, seconds because she says she
Speaker 2: blacked out, but she said there was seconds and when
Speaker 2: she looked at the timestamp, there was seconds. Where she
Speaker 2: sends him a picture of her all bloodied and she
Speaker 2: looks really crazy.
Speaker 1: Right, yes, She's like got blood running down her face.
Speaker 1: It's like Halloween level. So I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wasn't one hundred percent sure when she took the picture.
Speaker 1: But basically what she's upset about, and we know from
Speaker 1: the gossip, from those stories, we know that he told
Speaker 1: her you're drunk, like, don't drive, and that she was like,
Speaker 1: fuck you, I'm gonna drive. I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: But now she's mad, So I think he was like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing, like get away from my house
Speaker 1: or whatever, like she was making a scene and she
Speaker 1: was very drunk, and he was like, you're you're being
Speaker 1: a drunk idiot right now, right? This was the whole
Speaker 1: thing that we know is kind of what happened. But
Speaker 1: how does he not know that she took the keys
Speaker 1: and took the dog? How was she Where was she
Speaker 1: going to take Archie? Did he think she was going
Speaker 1: for a walk?
Speaker 2: See? That is that is suspicious to me. I can
Speaker 2: see on one end where you'd be like, just get
Speaker 2: the fuck out of my face. You are insane. I
Speaker 2: would have just called the cops on someone like her,
Speaker 2: But like, where did he think she was going with
Speaker 2: the dog?
Speaker 1: I don't know?
Speaker 2: And that's her point. He's such a monster that he
Speaker 2: didn't give a shit.
Speaker 1: Well he did. He clearly didn't m m he. I
Speaker 1: mean who and who knows why? I can't say. I
Speaker 1: can't say what the relationship was. I mean it sounds
Speaker 1: to me like they they were they broke up and
Speaker 1: he was like, don't drive, you're you're drunk, and then
Speaker 1: she did anyway, and then she's like, see, see what happened.
Speaker 1: I'm in the hospital, and maybe he was like if
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: He didn't. Okay, here's the real question. He's saying he
Speaker 2: didn't know, like he didn't hear. Because they're like, well,
Speaker 2: how soon after when you were in the like pulling out? Like,
Speaker 2: how soon did this accident happen? She's like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: three to five seconds?
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 2: So they're like, wouldn't John Jansen have heard this commotion,
Speaker 2: this explosion, like all that went down, the cops coming
Speaker 2: all that, Like, why did John Jansen write?
Speaker 1: But how well? How far away was where she had
Speaker 1: the accident?
Speaker 2: She said like five seconds? But I was confused.
Speaker 1: Was the spot where she had the accident and hit
Speaker 1: the building? Why that actually down the street? Right?
Speaker 2: It was close? I think it was pretty close, But
Speaker 2: I'm not one and so then we have so she's
Speaker 2: basically implying, why did he not hear that? Why didn't
Speaker 2: he hear all the commotion? And on top of that,
Speaker 2: she's saying, yeah, and I sent him a photo. Then
Speaker 2: he's pretending like I don't understand what's happening, the cop
Speaker 2: for bringing Archie back and you're in the hospital, as
Speaker 2: though he didn't know beforehand. But she sent She's saying
Speaker 2: and showing, Heather, I sent him this photo, so he
Speaker 2: did know. So why is he pretending? So? I didn't
Speaker 2: even know who to believe, because you know, Shannon seems
Speaker 2: like a very unreliable narrator, especially in that moment where
Speaker 2: she's so blacked out she didn't even know she was
Speaker 2: in the hospital. Later, right, so do we? I don't
Speaker 2: know who to I don't know what to do here. Horrible.
Speaker 1: It's hard because I just think with and this is
Speaker 1: where I know that I look like a monster who
Speaker 1: doesn't care. But I also feel like I don't know
Speaker 1: how all of this is his response. I don't know
Speaker 1: how she doesn't take responsibility for any of it. Even
Speaker 1: the outer math of her accident is like somehow he's
Speaker 1: the monster, And I say she's a monster forgetting a DUI.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's terrible, and she's dealing with
Speaker 1: trauma right now. It's just hard to see her constantly
Speaker 1: wanting to she just is so angry at this guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, she's taking no she's taking no accountability.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, and I am very scene with her
Speaker 1: is like, guys, everybody please feel sorry for me? Can
Speaker 1: you believe this is happening to me? And it's like
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm of two minds. One is like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, enough already. But on the other hand, bravo,
Speaker 1: fuck bravo for putting her in a situation where it's
Speaker 1: in her face. Every scene is in her face, and
Speaker 1: Alexis is like laughing about it, and it's that's parts terrible.
Speaker 1: I know Alexus is a monster too, and Alexis is
Speaker 1: like being John Jay's mouthpiece.
Speaker 2: She's like a minion. Yes, she's just terrible, just just horrendous.
Speaker 2: The whole thing's horrenda So the Heather has a big react.
Speaker 2: That's the end of the episode where Heather's like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, and that all felt very real. That's why
Speaker 2: I believe all this unfolded in real time. I don't
Speaker 2: believe there's no way Shannon knew about the video. She
Speaker 2: would have settled a long time ago. She can't be
Speaker 2: that good of an actress. And when Heather's all that picture,
Speaker 2: she had never seen that before. Because like Shannon's shaking
Speaker 2: showing her phone, you know, which, that felt relatable. She's like,
Speaker 2: I need to kind of reminded me of someone. I
Speaker 2: won't talk about this, but someone we both know. Sometimes
Speaker 2: Shannon does have that thing where she's just like everything
Speaker 2: Maybe it's maybe this is why you get upset too,
Speaker 2: or we get upset is because she Shannon, is everything
Speaker 2: so big that even the really big thing like this,
Speaker 2: You're like, well, everything's been this big, everything's huge.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not sure and this is and I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not arguing it, but you could tell me, like,
Speaker 1: why is this so big?
Speaker 2: It's already happened, right, Like.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why this is such a like a
Speaker 1: gotcha moment on who.
Speaker 2: Oh you mean the photo the photo that she shows Heather, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because she's trying to say that she sent him this
Speaker 2: photo timestamp wise before she even went to the hospital,
Speaker 2: so he's him pretending like he didn't know that she'd
Speaker 2: been in this accident until they brought Archie back. I
Speaker 2: don't know, there's some sort of time stamp situation where
Speaker 2: they're going.
Speaker 1: Right, but how is it? Like I don't understand how
Speaker 1: that's going to be such a big gotcha, like does
Speaker 1: he have some moral responsibility to like take it.
Speaker 2: Hurts her too? Like, well, it was a really terrible accident,
Speaker 2: and everybody us included, were like you put your your
Speaker 2: old senior lab labrador in the car.
Speaker 1: Right, And now it's sort of like can you believe
Speaker 1: he did this to me? Not not really like embarrassed
Speaker 1: about like what the aftermath of this accident was, but
Speaker 1: just like can you believe he didn't come help me?
Speaker 2: I just got this, like this is really weird. I
Speaker 2: don't know what. Maybe this is hormones or something, but
Speaker 2: I just got this like overwhelming sense of sad, like
Speaker 2: the big picture of how freaking sad. This is how
Speaker 2: sad that all last season everyone's like you're an out,
Speaker 2: you know, the alcoholic stuff. Started talking to about it
Speaker 2: at the reunion. Everybody was saying it long before that,
Speaker 2: but they were yelling at her at the reunion, and
Speaker 2: the fact that she got the DUI so shortly after,
Speaker 2: Like she's been really sick for a long time, and
Speaker 2: now I'm just like really mad. I'm so sad and
Speaker 2: I'm so mad, and this is just like not funny.
Speaker 2: For sure, it's not funny. It's not funny, it's not entertaining.
Speaker 2: But also, I you know, Shannon is her whole thing
Speaker 2: right now is trying to prove to us that she
Speaker 2: doesn't have a problem with alcohol. She's totally fine, that's
Speaker 2: not a problem. She worked so hard on herself at rehab,
Speaker 2: which wasn't rehab. She keeps reminding us she and she
Speaker 2: can totally drink now, just fine, she has no problem
Speaker 2: sticking to two drinks, which we all see that that's
Speaker 2: not the case. And we know that they talked to
Speaker 2: her about it before and she refused to take responsibility
Speaker 2: or hear them before, and then almost the worst happened.
Speaker 2: I think Chavo has a responsibility to make her go
Speaker 2: to rehab. Say you have to go to a re
Speaker 2: rehab for like sixty days. Yeah, maybe they even pay,
Speaker 2: but Bravo, I know they won't.
Speaker 1: They don't. Like they're they're also liable for this. If
Speaker 1: you want to say, John Jansen is liable for for whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, not coming out coming to her rescue. What
Speaker 1: Bravo should be too.
Speaker 2: I agree. I think that they should say, listen, we've
Speaker 2: hit a wall where we can't like ethically support this.
Speaker 2: We want you're part of our family, we want you
Speaker 2: on the show, but we and we are going to
Speaker 2: pay for sixty days of rehab, of real rehab, and
Speaker 2: then we're going to start sort of assessing whether or not,
Speaker 2: like you know, and they are maybe that's all, maybe
Speaker 2: that you do that and then it's up to you.
Speaker 2: But like something, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, they put Drinda on a pause because she clearly
Speaker 1: had a drinking problem. Drinda is another one who like
Speaker 1: clearly is one of the worst alcoholics and yet doesn't
Speaker 1: no no, no drinking.
Speaker 2: They didn't put her on pause because she had a
Speaker 2: drinking problem. They put her on pause because she would
Speaker 2: she's it was difficult, and she would come out. She
Speaker 2: was coming after a production every now and then and
Speaker 2: saying like yelling at them and saying things like I'm
Speaker 2: going to sue. You know, she was going to try
Speaker 2: to kind of tear it down the way that like
Speaker 2: Brandy is trying to do, like or Leah or whoever.
Speaker 2: So you know, she was becoming really difficult, and she
Speaker 2: was such a mean, awful drunk that people were just
Speaker 2: sort of like, I don't think, but Shannon's not like that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they don't care about the drinking part. They
Speaker 2: weren't worried about Derinda's health, not at all. She's just
Speaker 2: becoming a problem for the show. You're so right, I'm
Speaker 2: so mad, and saying with Kelly Dodd. So once Kelly
Speaker 2: Dodd turned her venom on production, which she continued to
Speaker 2: do against Andy Cohen and whatever, and she's and Kelly
Speaker 2: Dodd maybe all the housewives that have ever existed, probably
Speaker 2: the worst person they've ever had on the show. I
Speaker 2: you know that's why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bravo is just very irresponsible.
Speaker 2: I think so too. But then that's the question not
Speaker 2: to get see, that's the problem. I'm so mad at
Speaker 2: this show because our job is to try to make
Speaker 2: it funny. We haven't. I can't make this funny. It's
Speaker 2: not funny. No, And that's all right, you know what
Speaker 2: this is. It's no baby Reindeer, but it's good close.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, everybody, this has been long enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's enough enough for you, guys. What do we have
Speaker 1: coming up for these people? We have good news for
Speaker 1: you guys.
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