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<v Speaker 1>Way wait.

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<v Speaker 2>Ala, Welcome back to Midnight Viewing, the Horror Anthology podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>where we are taking a look at George A.

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<v Speaker 1>Romero's nineteen eighties television series Tanels from the Dark Side.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Father Malone and sharing the Midnight view with me

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<v Speaker 1>is the Projection Boost. Mike White, Goodbye, geesen Stacks Family, Goodbye,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a runner. Unfortunately, Chris Stashue is unavailable this evening.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just Mike and I tonight, so we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be taking a look at two episodes from season three.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are The gezen Stacks and Black Widows. The gezen

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<v Speaker 1>Stacks season three episode number five, originally aired on October

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty sixth, nineteen eighty six. This was written by

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy Doin, based on a short story by Frederick Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>and directed by Bill Travis. Starring Craig Wasson was Wasssan Wasson,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it, Mike, You've just wasted fucker in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>right I haven't.

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<v Speaker 3>I've tried to but never got a hold for the

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<v Speaker 3>Bobby double episode, and then I read some stories about

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<v Speaker 3>him being a sex best so I didn't really go

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<v Speaker 3>after it that heart oh No.

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<v Speaker 1>Also starring Dandy crowning Larry Pine and Lana Hersh. This

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<v Speaker 1>tells the town uncle Richard giving young Audrey a dollhouse

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<v Speaker 1>he found in an abandoned property, always a good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>What Audrey discovers about the doll family seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>happening to her own. What'd you think about this one, Mike?

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<v Speaker 3>I really enjoyed this. First off. I love that their

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<v Speaker 3>last name is Hummel, which is nice because my mom

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<v Speaker 3>used to collect tumbles, So those little stupid things are

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<v Speaker 3>not quite precious moments. They seem to be a little

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<v Speaker 3>less cloying than precious moments figures. But it was a

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<v Speaker 3>nice foreshadowing. I actually did my homework on this one,

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<v Speaker 3>and I read the Frederick Brown story and enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very different insofar as the uncle has no idea

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<v Speaker 3>where these dolls came from, and I want to say

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<v Speaker 3>it ends a little bit differently, so the way that

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<v Speaker 3>they set up the whole idea of the doll house

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<v Speaker 3>and her hearing the voices and then them eventually spoilers

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<v Speaker 3>becoming the dolls. And then there's like this like the

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<v Speaker 3>Russian doll, the Russian nesting doll type of thing where

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<v Speaker 3>it's like, oh, and now here's a smaller version of

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<v Speaker 3>the house, and I'm like, wow, what this has this

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<v Speaker 3>been going on for? I would like to know. It

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<v Speaker 3>just seems like twice now, but I would almost like

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<v Speaker 3>if there was another little house inside of the littler.

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<v Speaker 1>House type of thing. But this was good.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasson is a little much here. But I enjoyed

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much everything about it. I really especially like Larry

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<v Speaker 3>Pine does Uncle Richard quite a bit. Would you think

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<v Speaker 3>botherom alone?

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<v Speaker 1>I again are echoing you. I really enjoyed this one

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. This is a fan favorite the Geese and Stacks,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can see why. It is weird enough and

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<v Speaker 1>wild enough and very very dark side where this dollhouse

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<v Speaker 1>just falls into their lives. There's no rhyme or reason

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<v Speaker 1>to it. There's no punishment going on here. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a morality play. I love when it's this kind of weirdness.

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<v Speaker 1>Larry Pine is a Wes Anderson guy ever since the

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<v Speaker 1>Royal Tenenbaumbs. He's in every single one of his He's

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<v Speaker 1>a Woody Allen guy as well. Tandy Cronin playing the

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<v Speaker 1>mom Let's guess who her parents are?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I had no idea that they had

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<v Speaker 3>a child named Tandy from me, that's absolutely bizarre. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean it's like naming Isabella Rossolini as Ingrid Rossollini.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's Jessica Tandy. And here and croninstad are Sandy

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<v Speaker 1>Cronin who. I don't know that her name is Tandy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like a Reese Witherspoon. She took her

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<v Speaker 1>mom's maiden name, like as her first to honor her

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<v Speaker 1>or something. But yeah, she's fine here. Craig Wasson, Yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it is about that man. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>hearing he's a sex pest makes sense because there's just

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<v Speaker 1>something off about him, right, Like even in Body Double

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<v Speaker 1>and I love Body Duble.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that I think one of my favorite to

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<v Speaker 3>Paul Musk go absolutely that is pure to Palma and

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<v Speaker 3>he's a proxy for us.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's also off putting at the same time, like

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<v Speaker 1>you can't really get behind him. And that's the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing here, like he's just as ineffectual. He just gives

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<v Speaker 1>off ineffectual. Is that it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well then he I don't know if he can

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<v Speaker 3>hear the dolls too or not. There's a moment well,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a couple of moments in here. There's one where

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<v Speaker 3>she's talking about somebody who's been bad and they're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>get a spanking and all this, I'm like, I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>see any spanking in this episode. I was very disappointed

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<v Speaker 3>by that. And then there's talk about mister Geesenstack hitting

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<v Speaker 3>missus Geese and Stack, and when Washington pulls back his fist,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what, you've bunch your wife effect, But then

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<v Speaker 3>he stops themselves, so I'm like, okay, do the Geese

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<v Speaker 3>and Stacks have absolute power over them or what's going on?

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<v Speaker 3>And then there's also this whole thing of the time

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<v Speaker 3>delay too, which I thought that there was going to

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<v Speaker 3>be like a little bit of time between when Audrey

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<v Speaker 3>says that the Geese and Sacks are saying something or

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<v Speaker 3>doing something, but then when they come to the mom's coat,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like, oh, Mom's got a new coat. Oh and

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't have pretty velvet and shiny buttons, and boom

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<v Speaker 3>she walks through the door. I was like, oh, there's

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<v Speaker 3>no time delay in this thing at all. Okay, But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't really get the rules or anything, but I

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<v Speaker 3>was okay with that. But as far as the rules go,

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't sure what Wasson was experiencing. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>if he was hearing them, or if he was just

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<v Speaker 3>freaking out, or if he's like just listening to Audrey

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<v Speaker 3>and like waiting for her to like translate what the

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<v Speaker 3>Geese and Sacks were saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it was. I think it was just

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of him hearing her and then seeing the

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<v Speaker 1>results immediately, just like the audience. But here's the only

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<v Speaker 1>here's my only problem with the episode, because even though

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<v Speaker 1>there are multiple problems, if you want to focus on them,

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't care about because it's just it's like

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<v Speaker 1>an argento thing. It's just like a mood piece. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>this thing is. But what drove me crazy is the

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<v Speaker 1>little girl asking the question. It was so grating. I

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<v Speaker 1>wish he was just talking from one doll to the other.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this is a quibble, but for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what drove me over the edge for the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't do that for dialogue just Oh, so is mommy

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<v Speaker 1>coming home with a brand new code? Oh? Does the

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<v Speaker 1>code have nice? But does the bluh. Craig Watson has

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<v Speaker 1>a has the right to be worried because his daughter

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<v Speaker 1>is a freakazoi age. He's just interrogating these dolls. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, the humble joke, I love the humble

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<v Speaker 1>joke too. Yeah, I've got a mammy collected hummels and

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<v Speaker 1>yadro seeing those like elongated humbles.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh gosh, that sounds like nightmare field. I didn't realize

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<v Speaker 3>that Giza stack means doll or strange doll. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>sure if that's German or were they comes from gott

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<v Speaker 3>to be German. That feels like it, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The effect at the end where a house within a

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<v Speaker 1>house within a house, image within an image within an

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<v Speaker 1>image evidently called the Drost effect. Was unaware of that

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<v Speaker 1>named for an advertisement in the Netherlands which featured a

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<v Speaker 1>woman on a box holding a box with a woman

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<v Speaker 1>on a box, and on and on and on and

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<v Speaker 1>do invent me so like the Land of Lakes kind

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<v Speaker 1>of effect? They anyway? And I was curious too, are

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<v Speaker 1>the geese and snacks predicting the future or are they

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<v Speaker 1>forcing it? Because like you said, maybe they're just seeing

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening and relating that to the girl. But then

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<v Speaker 1>there is no other reason that he would almost punch

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<v Speaker 1>her in the face. That was way too much.

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<v Speaker 3>And then also going back to my other question about

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<v Speaker 3>can wass and hear them, it feels like the uncle

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<v Speaker 3>can hear them when he comes into the house and

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<v Speaker 3>their miniature and screaming and stuff, so I'm like, I can't.

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<v Speaker 3>But then he gets strung into a doll as well,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, I fay, yeah, but it is weird that

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<v Speaker 3>I have no problems with these like quote unquote lapses

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<v Speaker 3>of logic because I'm just like, that's a very effective story.

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<v Speaker 3>People become the dolls. But yeah, I'm like, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>can they predict this because I'm thinking that they're another

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<v Speaker 3>family from somewhere, But then she names them themes the

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<v Speaker 3>little girl Audrey, and then names the uncle uncle Richard,

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm like, okay, so it's almost like they're them

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<v Speaker 3>in the future, but they are definitely different dolls. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if that makes any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, totally. And now I wonder whatever the next

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<v Speaker 1>family that ends up inheriting the house, she'll get that

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<v Speaker 1>same number of dolls and they'll be the Geese and Stacks,

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<v Speaker 1>but she'll now rename them for her family, So every

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<v Speaker 1>family becomes the Geese and Stacks in this aurable of

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<v Speaker 1>a nightmare miniature house. And they did something similar to

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<v Speaker 1>this on the Creep Show reboot. Well, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>very first episodes about a miniature head. I just kept

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<v Speaker 1>showing it's it's really good. It's like this, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>just like, what is going on here for the entire

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<v Speaker 1>episode and then it ends and you're like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I I don't know if that made sense,

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<v Speaker 1>but I enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm trying to think because I know I've

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<v Speaker 3>read other Frederick Brown's stuff, but I cannot tell you like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he's the guy that wrote this, Like looking at his

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<v Speaker 3>filmography Martian Goat, Martians Go Home, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>you remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>I do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Yeah, that was one of his stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, okay, yeah, great theme song with the Martians go Home.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Marcians ticking over the World.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that Randy Quaid in that? It was? Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>saw that in the theater Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, the next Oh that's right, I'm sorry. He

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<v Speaker 3>wrote to the Screaming mini So the movie that eventually

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<v Speaker 3>became or with a book that also inspired The Bird

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<v Speaker 3>with Crystal Plumage.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, my god, speaking of our argenta. There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>He's apparently a surrealist of some sort. Did they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>give you any explanation in the short story? Did they?

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<v Speaker 3>No? Not really, And if anything, the short story, I

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<v Speaker 3>was just like, wait, what just happened?

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<v Speaker 1>That was done with it? I'm start confusing the last

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<v Speaker 3>Just call apart. I was like, Okay, I think the

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<v Speaker 3>actual Tales from the Dark Side a little bit better.

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<v Speaker 3>So one of the few times I can say the

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<v Speaker 3>adaptation was better than the original.

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<v Speaker 1>Story, particular with an anthology series. My god. Yeah, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Our next episode is Black Widows. This is season three,

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<v Speaker 1>episode number six, aired originally on November the second, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty six, written by Michael McDowell, directed by Carl Epstein,

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<v Speaker 1>and starring Margaret O'Brien, Teresa Saldana, Paul Iding and A

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<v Speaker 1>Joe On Hold on, Joe on, Joe Doanzerio. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do it, Joe Dongerio. All right, this is in this story.

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<v Speaker 1>Spy are prized in this particular trailer home with good reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Mildred and her daughter Audrey. That's too, Audrey's in a

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<v Speaker 1>a little too well, which you think, Mike.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, I was very surprisingly tickled by this episode, and

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<v Speaker 3>I knew it was going pretty early on. Didn't really

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<v Speaker 3>Margaret O'Brien's daughter or vice versa. Whoever was the daughter was,

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<v Speaker 1>In my opinion, I thought that she.

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<v Speaker 1>Because as it was.

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<v Speaker 3>The mom, I was like, she seems pretty spry, she's

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<v Speaker 3>pretty young. Wasn't she out party and doing something else?

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<v Speaker 3>But instead she just sits there in her web and

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<v Speaker 3>waits for people to come in so she can take

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<v Speaker 3>of them. Those little baby spiders around.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't touch the spiders in this trailer. We need a

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<v Speaker 1>double wide and if you kill that spider, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get it. Michael McDowell, how much I love you,

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<v Speaker 1>but stop writing white trash dialogue just because they're in

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<v Speaker 1>a trailer. Not everyone has to be called mama, true,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh mama. It felt it's felt so carry like in

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<v Speaker 1>the dialogue, and michaelmc is usually pretty good with dialogues.

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<v Speaker 1>Margaret O'Brien is in Meet Me in Saint Louis.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, So I guess she is pretty old. But yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>seventeen years older. Okay, I'm looking at the trivia too, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's negligible. And Teresa Aldona looks older than she is.

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<v Speaker 1>Margaret O'Brien looks younger than she is, so yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>kind of look like, maybe not necessarily sisters, but it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel like maybe older friend or something, but definitely

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<v Speaker 1>not mom and daughter here. Yeah, I don't I This

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<v Speaker 1>is an episode I've seen and have confused with probably

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<v Speaker 1>a dozen other anthology horror stories. Every Spider story in

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<v Speaker 1>every anthology has mixed up in my head, including one

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<v Speaker 1>in Monsters, which the eventual sequel series to Tales from

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<v Speaker 1>the Dark Side. They have a pretty good one, and

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<v Speaker 1>one somehow, But it turns out I like this one better,

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<v Speaker 1>even though that web is so fucking chumpy.

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<v Speaker 3>I laughed out loud when they showed that web, I

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<v Speaker 3>store and bought all that close rope?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well yeah, except it's just clothes lines, which

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<v Speaker 1>they're saying that they were. They're hanging their clothes up anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>they are the poor people in the are but like,

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<v Speaker 1>cannot recommend in the episode is the direction by Carl Epstein.

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<v Speaker 1>This is I think this is the only credit or

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<v Speaker 1>one of only a couple of credits, and just felt like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>her for so long, But it's a drag, like, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna have to dish because I only really know

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<v Speaker 3>her from the stuff she was in more in the

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<v Speaker 3>seventies with I Want to Hold Your Hand, A Raging Bull.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe right around this time she was attacked to

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<v Speaker 1>buy someone. She was slashed. Actually, oh shit, took face

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<v Speaker 1>and spent years and years having reconstructive surgery. So oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that is horrible. I didn't ye know that because I

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<v Speaker 1>remember her popping up again in the nineties sometime, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was a bit of fanfare at the time, like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, you know she's back that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'm making all this up. I don't know, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm pretty sure that that's what happened. I hate spiders.

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<v Speaker 1>They're the worst. I don't like them at all. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even playing at them. I did that. We did

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<v Speaker 1>not get full on spidery makeup here, given what we

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<v Speaker 1>were given for a web, that would have been terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't do that, you know what. I really liked about it, though.

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<v Speaker 1>I think any other anthology series they would have strung

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<v Speaker 1>us along for twenty two minutes and then we're spiders,

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to kind of giving us by the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the first act, like here's the deal, You're a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking spider and again.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty skillful just to have those pincers coming in and

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<v Speaker 3>taking care of the one salesman, and I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, Like I knew Spiders had something going down,

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<v Speaker 3>but I didn't realize these people are going to turn

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<v Speaker 3>into spiders. And then yeah, I love the whole Oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, when she comes out with the now dead

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<v Speaker 3>husband's corpse and he just looks like a desiccated husk.

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<v Speaker 3>I was very, very thrilled to see that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what we love about Berkside, right, Like they

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<v Speaker 1>pull no punches. And compare this with say, Night Gallery

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<v Speaker 1>Spider episode, that long fucking treatise by Ron Serlang about

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<v Speaker 1>this spinster and they who and nothing compared to that spider.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that room size spider.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that VW sized spider. Yeah this I thought I

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<v Speaker 1>was worried Mike. Season three was really scaring me the

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<v Speaker 1>first couple of episodes here, But I'm glad they're not

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<v Speaker 1>leaning into more logic. If they want to keep being

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<v Speaker 1>surreal for the rest of the series, I'm good with

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<v Speaker 1>it because they're getting great actors. There's most of these

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<v Speaker 1>episodes are obviously the New York ones, this one definitely,

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<v Speaker 1>And look, they need to stop throwing favors to their

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<v Speaker 1>pals and letting them direct and let some real fucking

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<v Speaker 1>directors in here. Ernest Dickerson's right there, guys, but you

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<v Speaker 1>can let them out from behind the camera and let

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<v Speaker 1>them do something else. He would direct the shit out

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<v Speaker 1>of one of these. But ultimately an upward, upward a

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<v Speaker 1>trend is what I'm thinking, and I hope I'm not wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I hope you're not wrong either, because yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 3>been fooled.

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<v Speaker 1>Before, so don't break my heart.

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<v Speaker 3>Tales from the Dark Side.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're looking at you, Twilight Zone, jesus, anything else

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<v Speaker 1>on Black Rodos.

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<v Speaker 3>I was glad too that they didn't show the baby.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that was very smart. They just showed us

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<v Speaker 3>enough to give us what these folks are, and the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of it is more sound effects and just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of our imagination going wild. So all we really need

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<v Speaker 3>to see were those two pincers coming down, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I remember now. By now Amazing Stories is in

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<v Speaker 1>full swing. Alfred Hitchcock presents his back like all these

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<v Speaker 1>big budgeted things were just making Tales from the Dark

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<v Speaker 1>Side look like the chintziest side show freakazoid. But and

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<v Speaker 1>on occasion, even I was not immune to that as

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, something would come on and just be like,

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<v Speaker 1>get the fuck out it. I'd turn it off, like really,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not even trying, guys. And maybe that was amplified

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<v Speaker 1>in comparison to those other million dollar in episode shows,

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<v Speaker 1>but in rewatching it now it's charming. Well, what you're

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<v Speaker 1>saying now, watching the ingenuity of it, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to see them turn into a spider. Honestly, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to scare me. Yeah, if they were to do

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<v Speaker 1>that in a modern motion picture right now, maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>could scare me. But never mind forty years ago on

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking television budget.

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<v Speaker 3>Shit, yeah, it is forty years ago, thirty nine right now, Right,

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<v Speaker 3>that's wild to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>It's horrifying. It's scarier than anything in this series. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>On the next episode of Midnight Viewing, we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>taking a look at the next two episodes of season three.

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