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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho.

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This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, I'm

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going to bring you this week's episode of The Big Story.

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But first I do want to encourage you, if you

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are enjoying the podcast, to please follow us using your

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The Adventurers of Old Time Radio. Now, of course we

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to life some great adventure stories that were popular back

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in the nineteen forties. And of course, on the Great

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you get your podcasts from Now. From October fifteenth, nineteen

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forty seven, here is the Bobby Sachs Kid from Bayonne,

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The Big Story.

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Speaker 2: Look for the last time, Janet, did you.

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Speaker 3: Murder your mother?

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Speaker 4: No, Lieutenant Morgan, I didn't.

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Speaker 2: Then who did?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Is that all you can say? I

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don't know. Oh it beats me.

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Speaker 3: I never did meet a stubborn kid like you before.

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Oh well, I might as well sending the police matron.

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Speaker 4: Oh, Lieutenant Morgan. Yeah, well you asked the matron to

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bring in some needlan.

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Speaker 2: Thread Neiland's thread.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got a hole in one of my Bobby

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socks and it looks like the Dickens.

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Speaker 6: The Big Story another in a thrilling series based on

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true experiences of newspaper reporters. Tonight to Dorothy Killgallan of

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the New York Journal American goes the pell Mell Award

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for the Big Story. Now the strange and authentic story

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of the Bobby Socks kid from Bayonne.

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Speaker 2: You are Dorothy Kilgallen, covering the police feet for the

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New York Evening Journal before he became the Journal American

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and before you became a big byeline with a Broadway column.

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It's one of those sticky, saltry July evenings, just about

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midnight when you finally get back to the office from Jersey.

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You're so tired.

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Speaker 4: You see spots.

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Speaker 2: Before your eyes, and so hot your clothes stick damply

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to your skin. You make a beeline for the water

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cooler and there you run into the night.

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Speaker 4: Editor.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Dorothy, to lease you on that ice water.

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Speaker 7: You want to get a chill?

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Speaker 8: I'll take at chill, l just as long as it's

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good and cold. What a session I just had in

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Jersey City?

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Speaker 5: You sure look all in.

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Speaker 8: I am two days and two nights without sleep, waiting

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in a sizzling hot room for a jury to make

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Speaker 5: L It was awful. Yeah, yeah, I bet it was.

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Speaker 8: Look, Dorothy, Now, I've just got one big ambition in life.

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I'm going home and stand under a cold shower for

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about an hour and then fall into bed.

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Speaker 3: Dorothy, I hate to be a killed joy, but I've

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got to send you out on another assignment.

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Speaker 2: You mean, now right away?

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Speaker 3: To be own New Jersey. Just gotta flash that a

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woman was murdered out there, and the cops think the

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woman's daughter and a boyfriend did the job. They're grilling

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the kids at headquarters. Now I'll go out there and

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see what you can pick up.

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Speaker 4: It's all yours.

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Speaker 5: How is this missus Graham? I heard her Sergeant Gillett

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with a hatchet.

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Speaker 7: Miss Kill Gallan.

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Speaker 5: Oh, but that sounds like the work of a maniac.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I know, it doesn't seem possible, especially kids like these.

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Speaker 5: Where's missus Graham's daughter?

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Speaker 7: Now she's with a Lieutenant Morgan in that room over there.

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He's been grilling her for hours, but she won't talk either.

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Speaker 4: Where'd you pick up?

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Speaker 5: The kid's sergeant?

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Speaker 7: And a bar joint near the Summerville? Sirle Oh, here

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comes Morgan. Now any luck, Lieutenant?

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Speaker 9: Ah?

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Speaker 3: No, no more questions, I ask her the tighter she

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clambs up. You know, I've had some tough crooks on

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the grill, but this kid beats them all. Oh hello,

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miss kill Gallan.

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Speaker 5: Hello, Lieutenant. Got anything I can use for a story?

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Speaker 4: Ah?

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Speaker 3: Not a thing, miss kill Gallant. And that's the truth. Frankly,

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we're pretty well up against the stone wall. Now, what

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can you do when a cute looking seventeen year old

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kid just just sits there and swings her legs and

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looks at you with her sweet face and says.

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Speaker 10: I don't know, she won't say anything.

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Speaker 3: Right, everything talk to her like a Dutch uncle, like

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a father, like a like a cop, like a mug

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even but it's no.

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Speaker 5: Go I don't know, she says, just like that.

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Speaker 8: I don't know, Lieutenant Morgan. Yeah, mind if I go

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into that room and talk to Janet Graham alone?

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Speaker 2: Oh what good'll that do?

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Speaker 5: I don't know that it'll.

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Speaker 8: Do any good, but I just might come up with something,

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you know, just between us girls, how about it?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: Look, miss Kirgallan, all the other reporters are going home.

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Why don't you go to.

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Speaker 4: She won't crack.

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Speaker 3: Believe me, I know all the tricks, and I've used

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Speaker 4: She just won't crack.

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Speaker 5: Would you let me talk to her? Oh it's too

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hot time?

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Speaker 2: Oh go ahead, go ahead, But.

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Speaker 3: Believe me, you're wasting your time. We've had our best

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men working on that kid, and she just won't talk.

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Speaker 8: Hi, Janet, who are you? My name's Dorothy Kilgallan. I'm

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a reporter, reporter, honest, honest. I thought i'd just dropped

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in for a chat.

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Speaker 4: Oh, well, you're not going to find anything out for me.

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I don't know anything.

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Speaker 8: Oh maybe you don't, but I do you do?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 5: You look like a sight? Your hair's every which way

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and your nose is shiny.

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Speaker 4: Well, gosh, miss kill Gallen, what can I do? I

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love my compact in Charlie's gilappe when he picked us up.

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Speaker 5: Well, he wouldn't like you the way you look? Now?

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Speaker 8: Gee?

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Speaker 4: Is is that bad?

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Speaker 8: Here?

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Speaker 5: Take my compact?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Thanks, Miss Kilgallen. Jeesus is just super? Is it

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real gold?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I got one in silver, shaped like a hot It's

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got initials on it CM CM. Who's that Charlie Mason.

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He gave it to me for my birthday. He's my boyfriend.

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We've been going steady for a year.

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Speaker 5: Is he nice?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 5: He's just super, Miss killed Gallon, tell me about him?

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Speaker 4: Geez, you really want me to? Of course? Well? He

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start athlete at Bay One High and he's a wizard tennis,

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beat me six love every time, and I'm supposed to

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be pretty good for a girl. Here's your contact?

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Speaker 5: Oh thanks? Feel better?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yes, lots, here's the same color powder.

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Speaker 5: I do, Janet. I suppose you and Charlie you know

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that you're in a mess of trouble.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess we are.

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Speaker 5: Why don't you tell them what they want to know?

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Speaker 4: I won't. I won't tell him a thing.

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Speaker 8: I hate them, then maybe you'd tell me you yes,

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you know, it's different when you tell everything to a woman.

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A woman sort of understands.

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Speaker 4: Who gee, you're nice, miss kill Gallon.

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Speaker 5: But but what, Janet? You love Charlie?

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Speaker 2: Don't you?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 4: That? Of course?

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Speaker 5: Why shouldn't you?

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Speaker 4: Golly, you do understand, don't you?

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Speaker 5: Yes? I think so.

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Speaker 4: That's the trouble with him. The police, I mean, they

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don't know how it was with Charlie and me. Mother

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didn't either.

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Speaker 5: She she what, Janet?

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Speaker 11: Nothing?

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Speaker 10: All right?

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Speaker 5: If you don't want to tell me anything, Janet, I

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guess I'll have to go.

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Speaker 4: Please stay.

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Speaker 5: Then what about your mother?

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Speaker 4: She hated Charlie. She wouldn't even let him come into

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Speaker 5: Did she know you loved him?

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Speaker 4: I kept telling her that, honest, Miss Kilke, and I

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kept telling her That's why we argue.

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Speaker 5: I argued about what it was.

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Speaker 4: This afternoon. Mother wanted me to do some work around

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the house, but I skipped out to meet Charlie.

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Speaker 5: Where'd you meet him, Janet?

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Speaker 9: The church?

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Speaker 4: He's an a choir you know, and they were having

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choir practice. The door was open, and I went in.

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Charlie was singing a solo and I listened. It was wonderful,

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miss kill Gallon. Listening to Charlie was well, it was

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like going to heaven. I was just thrilled. I wanted

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to reach up and touch him, but I didn't. I

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just sat there and listened.

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Speaker 12: After that, I guess I kind of walked on air.

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Speaker 4: I met Charlie outside the church. We had a tennis

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date at six o'clock, but before that I had to

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go to the delicatests and buy some coal cuts for supper.

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On the way to the delicatesta and I kind of

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took Charlie's hand and held it. Just holding his hand

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like that thrilled me. But oh, Charlie, you know how

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boys are miss killed gallons. He was kind of bashful. Yes, Charlie,

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holding my hand.

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Speaker 2: Everybody on the street's looking at us.

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Speaker 4: Don't you love me?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 4: Sure I do, Cookie, you know that. But how about

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coming to my house of a supper tonight.

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Speaker 7: I can't do that, Janet, What would your mother say?

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Speaker 4: I don't care what mother says. She's not gonna boss

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me around anymore. We'll just tell her we're in love

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and that we're gonna get married. Just as soon as

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you can get a job singing on the radio.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Don't you love me, Charlie?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 10: Cookie, I told you I did well and we.

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Speaker 4: Don't have to be afraid of mother or anyone else. Oh,

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here's the delicatessen.

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Speaker 2: Well, good afternoon, Jannet.

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Speaker 4: Oh, mister Schmid, what'll it be today? I'll have a

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quarter of a pound of ham, quarter a pound of liver,

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worst twenty tents with the potato salad, Jada salad. And oh,

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mister Schmid, Yeah, mother will kill me for this, but

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I don't care. I want to drive mayonnaise.

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Speaker 7: Mayonnaise.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just wacky about mayonnaise. And this time I

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don't give a darn what my mother says.

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Speaker 5: So you left the delicates in store and went right home?

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Is that it, Janet?

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Speaker 4: Well, no, not exactly, miss kill Gallen. You know how

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hot it was today? Well, anyways, Charlie and I stopped

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in the tavern and we had two glasses of beer

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each and some breadful beer. Was super being so hot outside,

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Speaker 12: That we went to my house.

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Speaker 4: Funny how I felt then?

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Speaker 5: How did you feel?

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Speaker 4: Well? Gee, I don't know why I'm telling you all this.

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Speaker 5: How did you feel, Janet?

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Speaker 4: Well, it was so hot, and I was kind of

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dizzy and thrilled because Charlie was going with me and

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we were going to stand up to mother. You know,

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miss kill Gallon, how it is when you're all thrilled

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and excited.

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Speaker 5: Oh sure, I know. Well what happened when you got home?

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Speaker 4: Well? Mother was out?

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Speaker 5: I see what did you and Charlie do? Then?

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Speaker 4: Oh, Charlie read a magazine and I kind of did

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a little housework.

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Speaker 5: Janet, Yes, Miss Kirgallen.

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Speaker 8: You're not telling me the truth. What's the use of

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talking to me if you don't tell me the truth? Now,

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what really happened when you and Charlie came home and

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found that your mother was out. Don't be afraid, Janet,

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I'll understand, but you've got to tell me the truth,

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all right, all.

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Speaker 11: Right, I will.

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Speaker 4: We were both a little dizzy, I guess, you know.

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We kept saying things to each other. Then all of

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a sudden, I felt like dancing. So I put on

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a record of our song, your song, yes, Temptation, it's

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my favorite. Charlie's too, We well we call it our song. Anyway,

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I felt like dancing. So I put the record on

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the victrola and then Charlie, Yeah, let's dance, dance, yes,

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take me in your arms, Charley.

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Speaker 7: But what if your mother comes in on caesars?

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Speaker 4: I don't care, do you?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 4: No, I guess not, Charlie, Charlie, let's stop dancing now,

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let's sit down, sit down, Yes, kiss me, Charlie.

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Speaker 9: Please chaff shade.

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Speaker 4: Charlie again, China Quail.

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Speaker 6: We'll be back in just a moment with tonight's big story.

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Speaker 2: Now we return you to our narrator, Barry Kroger and

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Tonight's big story. Bobby's tucks kid from Bayonne and keeps

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talking there in that sweltering, dingy police room. The words

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spilled from her faster and faster. You can see that

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she wants to talk.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 2: She's glad to get it off her chest. It's been

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simmering and boiling inside. Finally she stops to catch her breath.

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Speaker 8: You ask her, now, when your mother walked into the

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parlor and found you and Charlie there, what.

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Speaker 5: Did she say, Janet?

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Speaker 4: Mother just stood there, miss kill. She stood there, looking

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as though she liked to kill the boat. The Victorlla

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kept on playing temptation. I don't remember who was most.

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Speaker 10: I think it was Charlie, miss Graham eye turn off

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the victorla Janet live it? Mother, we were I said,

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turn off to Victrolla. Yes, mother, Now Janet, go into

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the kitchen. I want to talk to you alone. But

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missus Graham, she didn't do anything. Thank you to keep still.

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You just sit right here. I'll have something to say

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to you later, Janet, too much. Right into the kitchen.

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Speaker 5: And what happened after you got into the kitchen? Janet, Janet?

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What happened?

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Speaker 4: Well, Miss Kilgallan. Mother didn't say anything for a long time.

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She just started to get the dishes out for supper.

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I was nervous and scared.

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Speaker 12: Well, there was a heat too.

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Speaker 4: It was so hot it funny things to me. I thought,

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maybe if I did something something with my hands instead

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of just standing there waiting for mother to say something,

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to be better, I think better. Then I saw the

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hatchet on the window sill.

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Speaker 5: What was the hatchet doing there?

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Speaker 4: I'd brought it up from the cellar.

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Speaker 5: Why did you bring it up?

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Speaker 4: Because Mother had asked me to nail down some lucinolium

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on the kitchen floor, so I got some tacks and

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started to hammer it down. Then mother started to talk.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 10: I just don't know. What did I ever do to

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deserve it?

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Speaker 8: All?

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Speaker 10: Like you, a common shape, little flir mother, don't.

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Speaker 12: Say things guy said. All Charlie did was kiss me.

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Speaker 10: I don't want to hear another word from you, Janith Willham,

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not another single solitary word. When your father comes home,

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I'll see that he takes a strap to you, a

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little good for nothing mother. Please, I'm seventeen years old,

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a baby and sitting on the couch hugging and kissing

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a nasty boy like Charlie Mace.

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Speaker 12: I'm no baby, do you hear mother?

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Speaker 4: I'm seventeen, I'm grown up and I love Charlie Mason.

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Speaker 10: Ha you what do you know about love? You're just

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boy crazy? That's all. Bye Chris, Oh, don't say things

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like that. Bye crazy, Bye crazy, Bye crazy.

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Speaker 11: Mother.

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Speaker 10: Don't I forbid you to ever see him again? I

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positively forbid you to see him again?

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Speaker 8: Do you hear me?

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Speaker 11: Janet?

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Speaker 10: You're not just see him again.

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Speaker 4: You can't stop me. You can't stop me. You'll see Charlie.

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Speaker 10: Oh, I please, I love him, I love him, I

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love him. Don't you dare talk back to me?

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Speaker 12: Don't you dare?

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Speaker 4: Mother? Please not quarrel anymore? So hot now I've got

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such a terrible headache, and I I'm so mixed up.

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Speaker 8: I warn you, Janet, if I ever catch that awful

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boy around here again, I'll have your father horse.

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Speaker 4: But don't say things like said, please die.

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Speaker 10: I don't like him and I never did. He's no

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good and he'll never be any good.

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Speaker 4: Stop.

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Speaker 10: Don't you yell at me. You're younger for nothing. Tell

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you talk back to your own mother like that house?

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Speaker 8: Dare you?

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I asked you to stop. I asked you to stop nagging.

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Speaker 10: Shanada, Yeah, put down my ass. Just put down, Charlie.

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Speaker 4: You're not say to stand betwe Charlie and me. You're

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not going, is she? Charlie?

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Speaker 8: Shut?

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Speaker 2: An I know, Oh mother, You listened in horror as

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Janet Graham tells you what happened. Then you listen and listen,

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all gone, feeling in the pit of your stomach as

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you watched this sweet faced kid in the bobby socks

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dangling her tanned legs under the bench and calmly telling.

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Speaker 4: You I hit mother. Then miss Jill down she screamed

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and fell down.

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Speaker 5: That's all I see. What did you do then, Janet?

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Speaker 4: Well, and we thought we'd better talk things over. You

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and Charlie. Yes, Charlie's Gilopie was outside, and we decided

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we better drive to Canada because they be looking for

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us pretty soon. We didn't have much money, so we

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started to make up sandwiches in the kitchen for our trip,

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and then all of a sudden the doorbell rang. Janney, Jannet,

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someone's at the front door. You keep making up those

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chicken and ham sandwiches here in the kitchen, Charlie, I'll

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see who it is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I hope it isn't the police or someone.

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Speaker 10: Oh, John, that's anything wrong?

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Speaker 8: Wrong?

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Speaker 4: I know, Missus Wallace. What makes you think so well?

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Speaker 10: I was sitting on my front part next door, and

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I thought I heard your mother scream.

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Speaker 4: Oh oh that well, mother just cut her finger, that's all,

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Missus Wallace.

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Speaker 10: Oh for a moment to hop it?

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Speaker 5: Nothing serious, is it, Janet?

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Speaker 4: Oh no, Missus Wallace, just a nick nothing to worry about.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Heaven for that.

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Speaker 10: That's scream certainly to give me a fright. Well, I'll

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be getting back, Janet.

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Speaker 4: Well, thanks for looking in missus Wallace O nobody just

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a neighbor. Oh, Charlie, what you forgot? Something? Got something? Yes?

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On those chicken sandwiches you're making the mayonnaise. You know,

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I just love mayonnaise?

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Speaker 5: Is that all, Janets?

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Speaker 4: Well, miss Killgowen, I guess so, except that we started.

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Speaker 5: Out for Canada and you got as far as the

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Summerville Circle.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it was awful hot driving this evening. Well, we

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stopped at a tavern for a couple of glasses of beer,

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and by that time Charlie was pretty worried.

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Speaker 3: Gosh, Jennets, we're in an awful jam now.

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Speaker 4: I don't care. I don't care about anything else. I

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love you, Charlie.

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Speaker 3: We ever be able to make Canada, but all I've

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got is a dollar and forty cents.

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Speaker 4: You're awful cute, Charlie. Awful cute, Janet.

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Speaker 5: Maybe we ought to give ourselves up.

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Speaker 4: I love your hair, Charlie.

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Speaker 9: It's so sick and nice.

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Speaker 4: I always feel like running my fingers through it.

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Speaker 2: Janet, we got to decide what to do, Charlie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, playing number seven on the juice box, Look Cookie

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laying number seven. It's our song, Charlie, Temptations. Okay, oh, Charlie,

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our song, isn't it wonderful?

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Speaker 2: It is just super Yeah, listen, Janet, about your mother, about.

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Speaker 9: What we did.

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Speaker 4: Oh, don't talk about that now, don't let's talk about anything.

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Speaker 9: Now. Let's just sit here and listen.

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Speaker 4: And Jeff, he just came in.

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Speaker 2: He's seen us, Jack, he's coming over to our boards.

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Uh at your Ted Cob outside? John?

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir? Your name Charlie Mason, Yes, sir.

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Speaker 3: And you're Kenned Graham.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, okay, you're kids.

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Speaker 10: You better come along with me.

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Speaker 4: All right, officer, we'll go with Yoni.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Do you mind if we wait till the music's over?

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Speaker 5: And that's the whole story, Jack.

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Speaker 4: Yes, miss kill Gallon, that's all there is now. You

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know everything's funny. I didn't mind telling you. I knew

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you'd have understand you do, don't you?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I understand, Janet? But now will you tell the

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others what you told me?

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Speaker 4: I don't want to, I.

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Speaker 8: Know, but I think you'd better.

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Speaker 4: All right, miss kill Gallen, you say so, I'll tell him.

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Speaker 5: Well, I have to go now.

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Speaker 4: You can't stay with me any loone, No, no, I can't.

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Oh well.

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Speaker 5: Goodbye, miss Kill Gallen, goodbye Janet.

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Speaker 3: Our full house beats too parent any day?

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Speaker 5: Oh hello, miss kill Gallen.

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Speaker 4: How'd you make out?

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Speaker 7: Didn't get anything out of the kid?

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Speaker 5: I'll bet yes I did?

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Speaker 3: You did?

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Speaker 2: Hey?

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Speaker 3: That really puts me in my place, all of us

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trying and not get in the glimmer.

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Speaker 5: What's the lead? She told me everything everything?

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Speaker 2: Are you serious?

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Speaker 8: You mean you've got that kid that she told me everything?

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Speaker 5: Who did it?

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Speaker 3: Sheer?

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Speaker 4: The boy?

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Speaker 2: Did?

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Speaker 5: She guess she did it? But it didn't have to happen.

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It shouldn't have happened if her mother had only shown.

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Speaker 10: A little more understanding, just a little more sympathy and love.

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Speaker 4: Oh what's the useful difference to it?

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, I'm not take it easy, mis

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Kill Gallant pretty well used up.

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Speaker 3: You did a big job in there and kind of

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gets you done, I guess.

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Speaker 4: So look at the exclusive you got it.

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Speaker 3: It's a big story if there ever was one, And

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I'll do to you.

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Speaker 5: It's a big story, lieutenant. But do you want to

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know something. I wish i'd never heard of it. I

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wish I never had to write it. I wish it

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had never happened.

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Speaker 6: In just a moment, We'll read you a telegram from

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Dorothy Kilgallen with a final outcome of tonight's big Story.

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Now we read you that telegram from Dorothy Kilgallen of

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the New York Journal.

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Speaker 8: American boy and girl in Tonight's Big Story were found

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guilty of murder, but received relatively light sentences on account

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of their youth. Boy was later paroled from state prison

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on condition that he joined some branch of armed forces.

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Girl was paroled from reformatory after serving six and a

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half years. Many thanks for tonight's Pellmell Awards.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, miss Killgallon. The makers of pell Mell Famous

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Cigarettes are proud to have named you the winner of

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the pell Mell five hundred dollars Award for notable service

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in the field of journalism.

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Speaker 2: Listen again next week, same time, same station, when pell

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Mell Famous Cigarettes will present another big Story. A Big

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Story from the pages of the Buffalo Evening News Byelon

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Eddie de Castro, A big story that began when a

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woman was told that her husband had been murdered and left.

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Speaker 6: The Big Story is produced by Bernard J. Procter and

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directed by Harry Ingram, with music by Vladimis Lensky. Tonight's

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program was written by Max Erlich. Your narrator was Barry Kroger,

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and Janet Fox play the part of Dorothy Kilgallen. All

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names of the Night's story, except that of miss kill

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Gallen were fictitious, but the dramatization was based on a

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true and authentic case. This is Ernest Chapels, this is NBC,

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the National Broadcasting Company.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. Now, I do want to go ahead and

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first of all let you know about the cast which

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for this one, Dorothy Kilgallen was played by Janet Fox

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and the rest of the cast was Francis de Sales,

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Jerry Lewis not the one you're thinking of, Mitzi Gould,

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Bert Brazier, and Eleanor Audley. Now, I will say that

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the real life case is somewhat less sympathetic to the killer,

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and it was based on the case of Gladys McKnight,

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who committed the hatchet murder while her sweetheart cheered hit

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her again. News reports at the time emphasized both McKnight's

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casual attitude, which I think the episode captured rather well,

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but they also said that McKnight's ungovernable temper was the

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cause of frequent arguments between them, and the whole thing

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started in this case where that led to the murder

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because she was upset with her mother for not having

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dinner on time. And this story was big news back

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in nineteen thirty six. It was covered by newspapers as

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far as way as Australia. Now, in terms of the

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big difference between the way the story was told on

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the radio and how it happened in real life, there

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are two big possibilities. The first is that there was

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more to the story than made it into most popular

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press accounts, and the way the story is told reflects that.

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The second is that the story might have been reframed

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to fit the cultural narratives of nineteen forty seven. In

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the era immediately after World War II, juvenile crime became

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a huge concern, and one thought was that crime happened

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because society and parents didn't try to understand kids, and

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that if we made more of an effort to understand kids,

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it would prevent juvenile crime. In addition to this, the

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sponsors were really bigue on not being sued, so sometimes

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details were changed for that purpose. Now, last week I

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highlighted an example of double ling up that actually worked,

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Let's go ahead and talk about one that didn't. Eleanor

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Audley appeared as Missus Graham. She is probably best remembered

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for her work in animation as the voice of Maleficent

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in Sleeping Beauty and Lady Tremaine in Cinderella, and she's

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also remembered for her TV work in Hollywood, constantly playing

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snooty rich ladies and mother and mother in law's was

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mother Douglas on Green Acres. So a very talented actress,

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and of course I've heard her in a lot of

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radio programs, mostly after she moved to Hollywood. It's very

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different from any other performance I've heard her in because

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she also plays their neighbor, Missus Wallace. I have never

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heard Eleanor Audley being asked to play a dialect role

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until now, and I know why. That is kind of

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a weak spot for her. And in fact, she sounded

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really the same as her mother character. And when the

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daughter was acting confused, I was confused as well, because

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I was like, well, wait, didn't she just kill her?

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Like what is she doing at the door now? A

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little bit about Dorothy Killgallen. Most of the reporters were

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going to hear from in this series, are very, very

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very obscure. She certainly was not. Not only did she

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have her Broadway newspaper column, but she co hosted a

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very popular morning radio talk show her husband, Dick Comer

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aka Boston Blackie, and would go on to be a

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huge presence on television as one of the panelists on

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What's My Line. In nineteen thirty six, Kilgallon would have

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been twenty three years old. However, she had been working

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since she was eighteen, so she was a young woman

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who had proved herself and established herself in the field,

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which probably helped with the killer opening up to her.

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Kill Gallen was experienced and accomplished, so she could look

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up to her, but kill Gallen was still young enough

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that they could relate and she could understand her experience.

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A listener on Instagram sends a note, Hey, they're a

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big fan of yours and a daily listener. Appreciate what

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you do well, thank you so much and appreciate you

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taking the time to send that note along over on Instagram. Well,

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now it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day,

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and I want to thank doc Patreon supporter since February

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twenty sixteen, currently supporting the podcast at the Shamas level

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of four dollars or more per month. Thanks so much

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for your support, Doc, and that will do it for today.

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If you're enjoying the podcast, please follow us using your

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favorite podcast software and be sure to rate and review

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the podcast wherever you download it from. Be back next

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Tuesday with another episode of the Big Story, but join

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us back here tomorrow for broadways my bait? Where?

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Speaker 6: How long have you been working here?

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Speaker 4: Tonight?

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Speaker 11: Came on at seven last night? I'm off at seven

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this morning.

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Speaker 12: Pretty long hours.

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Speaker 11: Want a counter convention at the Hotel Canan Nail Club

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something like that. Boys of the Canes been coming in

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here like flies. That's why I'm working overtime.

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Speaker 2: Did you know a waitress named Francesca Brown lucky here?

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Speaker 11: She got off a little over an hour ago, refused

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to work over time. I should have done it.

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Speaker 9: If she's dead?

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Speaker 4: What dead?

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Speaker 5: Strangled?

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Speaker 2: Knife?

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 11: Wait a minute, I got something, Take it easy?

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Speaker 8: Do you mean it?

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Speaker 2: She's dead?

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Speaker 11: Bird?

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Speaker 4: What do you mean?

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Speaker 2: What about him?

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Speaker 11: You said she was strangled, didn't you? Guy hung around

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and asked her dates? Got nasty, you know, winks with

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the replace. He wasn't kidding both of you. I'm sure

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he was waited for Francesca when she got off. He's

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a cana too, a book canna. I call him Kaner'

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the Voice and the Canaan Air Club. This week they

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got a penalty if they don't carry a cane. This

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week they come from all over with canes grown. Then

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border us fine bird. I don't know he lives close.

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That's all I know.

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Speaker 10: Thanks Ros, thanks a lot.

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Speaker 11: Wait a minute, she's really dad.

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Speaker 6: Dan.

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Speaker 1: Hope you'll be with us then in the meantime, send

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