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Jeckel and high Jacklin High jackal Nyde who is this
BAU men's basketball team? And why is it that they
didn't show up? Why did they sleep walk? Why is
it they didn't put forth the effort? Why is it
that they struggled to make shots? Give me your thoughts,
give me your commentary. What were your most frustrated with
last night? Is b Why you think Goodness didn't lose
by thirty but it looked like they were trending that way.
I did pull up. Like since nineteen ninety six, there's
been like eleven instances in which Bayu has lost by
thirty plus points. Thank goodness, we didn't have to talk
about that for the level all that totally. They at
least made it somewhat kind of sort of respectable at
the end. Uh, but still it was not as close
as even the score actually linearly tells us. So we're
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I can introduce you to my co host and the
rest of the star setting cast from our ESPN the
Fan crew. Ronald the Three Man Weaver would have given
way better effort than any one of these Boa basketball
players last night, even though he's not in his prime shape.
I would have rather seen Ronald run out there last night.
Let's welcome him and Ronald the Three Man Weaver. Ron
do you think you can put forth better effort than
the basketball team last night?
Speaker 2: Does a bare poopin in the woods?
Speaker 4: To go with my sayings, if I slap you with
a book on my left hand, does that mean I'm
right handed?
Speaker 2: Yes, Ben, And in the words of Brian Logan, I
want to That's what I want to do right now.
Speaker 3: Can I cuss on here?
Speaker 4: No, I can't, But yeah, Ben, Look, there's a difference
if you just if you're trying and then you're just unsuccessful,
you can give you know, a for effort, even if
it's not the outcome.
Speaker 2: There was no effort. It was non existent.
Speaker 4: They couldn't move a parkr, it couldn't be put in
neutral nothing.
Speaker 2: This team was atrocious. In the words of the great
Steven A. Smith, this is bad.
Speaker 3: This is very good.
Speaker 2: Like it was very very bad, Ben, Like I was shocked.
Speaker 4: On the pregame basketball show, the UCF guys, uc guys
sons of UCF joined me. We all thought, Okay, it's
gonna be fifteen points BYU's way. And I'm watching this
unravel open three after open three, and I said, what
have they got it?
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 4: Like in general rule of thumb, And I want all
the basketball guru guys if I'm wrong to tell me this,
but I'm pretty sure I'm spot on. Unless you hear
from the big behind you and drop coverage, Hey switch,
you need to fight over screens. So I'm wondering what
the starting point guard for BYU is doing wearing number one,
because he's just watching.
Speaker 2: And I mean it wasn't just him, it was the
whole team. It was bad.
Speaker 4: Everybody looked completely discombobulated. It was piss poor effort and
there's no other way to describe it. Like you see,
I've got so many open threes, Ben, Central Florida. It
was an all star game. Like I could not believe
what I saw. They were getting booed. It was disappointing.
When they went up twenty to six and said they
might lose by fifty. I started asking other media members,
can be all you get the fifty points because it
started to look like that And look, I could have
put forth better effort. I am nowhere near as talented
as these guys. But I was very disappointed, Ben, because
you represent your university and honestly, it didn't look like
they wanted to be out there last night. And I
hate to say it, but it seemed like it was
the typical BYU thing. You get a big win and
then after that you drop off of you play down
to your competition. You uef's a good team, don't want
to make it seem like they're not. But that's what
it felt like. That's my opening monologue. That's all I
have to say on it. I'm not gonna rip him
any further than that, But the pie tart of accountability
in the off season, of personnel, team wise, staff wise,
they're gonna have to look at all of it. I
told you been on the pregame show. I talked to
Tim Fanning. I might have to pull that clip. He's
in charge of these coverages. I don't know who had
the scout last night, but the defense for the entire
game seemed to be non existent.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the questions I'm posing to Kugarnation is
do the defensive issues step more so from personnel and
effort right buy in or is it scheme in game planning?
You know what I mean? Like, I think from a
pie chartered accountability standpoint, whereas Cougar fans is, as fans
of this team and the media members, we're asking tough questions.
We're having to ask tough questions. You know, we want
to we want to soft toss some fun, fun questions
to this this staff, the team, et cetera. But now
we're getting to the point where it's like, all right,
there's a when you're down thirty at home to a
team that you were favored by twelve and a half,
versus like, there's an issue there. There's something there that
needs to be addressed and needs to be diagnosed and
needs to be fixed. Is it a personnel effort issue
or is it a scheme and game planning issue? Let's
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Speaker 5: There was a game I forgot because I was like, oh,
I'm not gonna watch this anymore.
Speaker 3: So I went and did some reading and I was like,
I looked up for you. Did you turn it off?
I didn't turn it off.
Speaker 5: No, I So what happened was I watched the first
half in like five minutes ago. I was like, all right, babe,
let's go to bed, and she's like, oh, we have
to watch the game. I was like, I know, I
just don't want to. So I went to bed and
I turned it on on the TV in my bedroom.
But I'm not kidding. I did start reading in the
second half because I was like, I don't like the
way that this is making me feel.
Speaker 3: So I will say I was pleased with what I
read last night. I wasn't pleased with what I watched,
But I will.
Speaker 5: Say the game, watching the game and then leading into
Sports Center reminded me that I liked falling asleep to
the sound sports Center. So something A couple of good
things came out of last night for me, at least,
not for anyone else who plays for Body Basketball, or
for anyone else who's in the arena, anyone else who
want had to go to film today because apparently, yeah, man,
it was bad.
Speaker 3: It was very, very bad. In the middle of the game, like,
I'm just like, is be what You're about to lose
by thirty at home? Let's be honest. They did.
Speaker 5: I know the score says thirteen points. It at no
one's sitting here, man, Like, man, it feels way better
than a thirty point loss.
Speaker 3: It felt like a thirty point It still felt felt
like one, right, yeah, yeah. And so I was pulling
data on this, I was like, Okay, hell, how many
times has this happened since nineteen ninety six? Just happened
eleven times and only two times at home, So it
would have been the third time in like a thirty
year period. Okay, once every decade that you could have
that you would lose by thirty. Now it didn't happen,
thank goodness, but it still felt like thirty. It did
not feel good. And crazy thing is, you know this
has happened in the Ky era. They lost to Houston
last year twenty twenty five. Do you guys remember this
at Houston? Then they got smoked. They got smoked by
thirty one before that had happened versus Gonzaga at home,
that was a tough one, twenty twenty two, before that,
twenty nineteen at Gonzaga. Most of these are at you know,
these way away settings. But from two thousand and nine
to twenty nineteen it had I mean, there's a ten
year period where you didn't lose by that amount. It
was two thousand and nine at Arizona where you lost
by thirty points, and then you have like nineteen ninety seven,
nineteen nineteen, and this is like the most of these.
Half of these occurred in like the lowest point in
bou basketball history, and they were in rebuild mode after
the Read era, and trying to figure out, okay with
Steve Cleveland, what are we're doing. There's a lot of drama,
et cetera. So anyway, thank goodness, it wasn't a thirty
point loss, but it still felt like one. And I
think we can all agree. Like I've gotten to the point,
like I'm very I'm not superstitious, but I'm a bit stitious.
Burn the black jerseys. They are booty. No more specialty jerseys,
no more blackouts, no more distractions. I get rid of them.
I don't want anything to do with these anymore, whether
it's football or basketball. The curse of the black Jerseys
is alive. And well, I told you.
Speaker 2: I didn't like it, Ben, I said I don't like it. Ben,
Now I told you say, I don't know how I
feel about these jerseys.
Speaker 3: Burn them, yep, get rid of all of them. Anyway.
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falls at home to UCF weeping wailing nation in your
teeth is BAU basketball team knows how to you know,
knows how to make us feel so hopeful and optimistic.
And then Judo chop is right in the throat afterwards. Okay,
number nineteen bau felt ninety seven to eighty four. Now,
on the surface doesn't look too bad, but I think
that is the largest ties. It's tied for the largest
margin loss on the season, if I'm not mistaken, right,
isn't that the largest deficit loss on the season. I
think it was tied with one other game, Okay it was, Yeah,
I think it was Texas Tech. The Texas Tech game.
So you lost to Yukon by two points, Texas Tech
by thirteen, You of A by three, Kansas by eight,
Oklahoma State by seven, Houston by eleven, and then Arizona
Gain by seven. So still the biggest loss on the
season because it felt like thirty even though it was
only thirteen. So take it for what it's worth. Okay,
are there any silver linings to this loss? Gentlemen, Roddy
do you? Are there any silver linings to this game whatsoever,
anything that set out to you in a positive in
a positive way.
Speaker 2: There are?
Speaker 4: And look, some people might say this is too harsh, Ben,
and the season is not over by any means, But
then I start to think about this, as you know,
potentially what last six weeks of the season. Of four
to six weeks out, I'm looking at who and this
roster is gonna be allowed back, right, And that's what
I'm looking at, Like these guys are playing to keep
their scholarship.
Speaker 2: That's harsh, but that's just the nature of what it is.
Is Kevin Young gonna blow it up? Is he gonna
make staff changes?
Speaker 4: Defensively, we don't know what's gonna go on, personnel changes,
all of that. Everything, As much as he says personnel's
on the table, Ben, everybody's job, everybody's spot, everybody's scholarship
is up for graps. And I'm gonna be honest, and
I'm looking at guys I kad Em Boop I think
has earned this spot. I think Tyler Morush showed some
good stuff last night as well. In Alexi coaches, I
think silver linings of what can they build on and
who can they take going into next season? Because Ben,
you just can't push out everyone. And I'm bringing up
a good point, and I hope you guys understand what
I'm saying. You can't just bringing up a bunch of
new faces. You have to rebuild with what you have.
You have to bring in the BYU guys that are
committed already, get a few back maybe and then use
the portal as well and what you have to build
a better roster bin. So that's what I'm looking at.
And the three names that I mentioned, I think those
guys are right now, I think are the leading candidates
to be back. We'll see what happens with Dawson Baker
if he takes that six year. But that's the silver
linings Bens. I like what I saw from Tyler and Alexi,
and with the last six weeks, need those guys to
play well.
Speaker 3: You wonder how much of this roster is actually gonna
come back, just because like, I don't know how much
buy in there is for some of these players at
BYU really like who wants to lay down roots, who
wants to be developed, who wants to be coached up?
It's kind of like, I go back to this, how
many coaches out there at the highest levels college backs
you can actually coach their players in a hard way,
an accountably, an accountable way. I don't. I don't know
how often you can. Bill self is struggling with it
with Darreon Peterson. He's like, I haven't even coached him yet,
that's what he said. I haven't coached him yet, Like
I haven't asked him to do anything. I haven't pressed him,
I haven't coached him. Which it's like, how often are
these coaches not able to traditionally coach? That's what Isn't
that what a coach is. Isn't he like structuring, mentoring,
setting incentives and accountability Like that's it's in its purest form,
Like if you're not meeting the standard, then you're benched.
If you are, then you continue to play. You know,
he tells you you gotta dribble a certain way, you
gotta shoot a certain way. You're gonna you're gonna get
your looks in a certain way. You should play defense
in this certain way. You you gotta play with better effort,
you gotta play with better execution. That's what coaching is.
Speaker 5: I'll be so curious to have kids like in high school, like,
because I remember what high school coaching was like for me,
and it wasn't fun, it wasn't friendly.
Speaker 3: I didn't like it.
Speaker 5: I remember being pissed when I came home from practice,
But like it made me a better person and I
enjoyed the tough fire of it all. Are they not
coaching like that anymore? Like even in high school. I'll
be so curious when I have kids if they're like,
oh my gosh, you said so much fun at practice,
I'm like, you good fun at practice?
Speaker 3: They didn't run you into the ground. What are they doing? Yeah,
you know, it's interesting, And I'm not I'm not gonna
be a get off your long guy, a get off
my long guy and like complain about the new generation.
But I will say, like, we're we're at Orthopros. We've
been interviewing and we've posted jobs for a couple of
different positions as we're expanding in twenty twenty six, and
it's been interesting to see like half of the candidates
that come in don't even know what Orthopos is or
what we do. They don't look up the company before
they for an interview. They don't even know anything about
the job description. They they they clicked on the like,
hey file my resume here, and we looked at the resam.
Hey it's a good resume. Hey, let's have you come
in for an interview. They get in the interview, they
don't know anything about Orthopros, nor do they know what
job they applied for.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's not how you get the job, bas
that's insane.
Speaker 3: Got an interview, well, because the resume look good, like
they're they're whatever they did presented. I'm like, oh, the
good skill set. You know, it looks like attention to detail.
You know, it looks like it's it's esthetically praising, it's
organizing in a good way.
Speaker 2: There's the GBS kidding, No.
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't look that way. But but anyway, it's
just interesting to me. So it's just like you show up,
You're like, guy, it's like if I get it, I
get it. But if not, like I don't really care.
You know. I'm like, that's crazy, man, because the lowest
common denominator like that, the bar is set so freaking low,
you know, probably for employers right now too, so you're
you're looking for fit. And so I think coaches are
also dealing with this at the collegiate level, and we're
seeing more of this, uh, and so it's something they
have to address and you have to I think k
why is learning. I think he's calling his team out
from the pulpit, which I don't know how many coaches are.
Some are some of are going off on dietrages, but like,
do the kids really care? It's like the kids the
the candidate shown up, they're like, eh, ye, I don't
know what does Orthopos do? And they want me to
tell him about it, like, oh, you didn't look up
and what stood up to you about the job description?
I don't know.
Speaker 5: Uh, it was available as a job.
Speaker 3: That was cool to me, you know. Anyway, that being said,
I do think there were some silver linings in this game.
I liked what I saw from Alexi. He's a shooter.
He's a shoot shooter shirt like, if you get it,
if you make it too complicated for Alexi, you know,
you have him make more decisions outside of shooting than
it could get a little bit rough. I think he
makes some bad decisions. But when he's shooting, goodness, gracious,
he can he can, he can light it up, he can,
he can hit. So that's my one silver lining in
all this. Uh, let's get to some of the sound
as we. Uh we bemoaned the loss versus UCF Kevin.
What were the issues defensively where everything snowballed?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know, I gotta watch the film. I mean,
we were sleepwalking out there, So I don't I it's
hard to pinpoint. You know, I didn't expect tot in
the slightest time. Super disappointed in our guys, U super
disappointed in myself and our coaches.
Speaker 8: Just was a knight that was not good all around.
Speaker 7: So I mean, there was just every breakdown you could
possibly imagine. But you have to give all the credit
to Central Florida. They played a great basketball game. They
were the way hunger your team, and you know, they
pumped us and they deserve all the credit.
Speaker 3: They punked us and they deserve all their credit. We'll
get into like what's going on defensively, you know, maybe
towards the middle of this segment as we get into
a few more sound bites. But everyone's wondering, you know,
what's going on in the defense. Most people are. You
see people on social media they're blaming Will Void. We
know from Ronnie that Tim Fannings been calling the defense
this year, but Will was calling it last year. So
they made some changes. Why did they make changes last
year or going into the new season because the defense
struggled last year? Was it personnel? I go back to
that question, is it personnel? An effort or is it
is it scheme and game plan? Last year, you felt
like at the end of the year they gelled. Yeah, right,
especially offensively. Defensively, they look good in the NCAA Tournament
until they they they faced an Alabama team that everyone
was hitting, and they were in fuego and they and
we didn't really contest shots as well as we should have,
and they extended. I mean, they're hitting NBA threes all
night long, so that that I mean, they put what
it felt like, they put up almost one hundred and
twenty points against by It's the most points. It may
be the most points that BA was given up like
in the modern era. By the way, in that NCAA
tournament game, I'll have to look it up. But uh, anyway,
we're trying to diagnose what's going on here, and you're
looking at Ky and you can a census frustration. Remember
I go back to the initial press conferences. Ky expressed
how excited he was to have jurisdiction over all facets
of the team and all fastest of the game that
include defense. Remember him saying that, And I could pull
up the quote here momentarily, but you bring in your
guys that you trust, you bring in Will Voit, you
bring Intim Fanning. Those are your guys, your g league guys,
you're overseas guys. These are the schemers, these are the architects.
And defensively they haven't been able to figure it out
with the personnel that they have now in year two. Now,
I do think that they have been at times better
defensively this year than they were last year. I just
due to athleticism in length, mostly not due to scheme
or effort. Sometimes they do put forth good effort. Does
that make sense? I do think they've marginally improved defensively.
I think they're a better defensive team as a whole,
and I think the metrics bear that out versus better
offensive teams, as we mentioned yesterday. But so like, you
can make an argument Tim's done better than Will, but
you can also make the argument that's like, well, he's
got better clay to work with than Will did last year.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 5: I also think, Look, you can argue with me, or
actually I won't argue because I but like, you can
have the debate as much as you want about whether
or not last year's defense was how much worse than
this year?
Speaker 3: You could have that argument however much you want.
Speaker 5: But you know what, you can't argue about which defense
had more effort, which defense had more want to last
year's defense or this year's defense. Last year, that's it's
not last year. It's not an argument. It's not even close.
They may not have had the talent last year, but
they weren't playing. It wasn't a lack of defense because
they just didn't want to. It's because they didn't have
the talent, they didn't have the speed, maybe not.
Speaker 3: Didn't have the athleticism. Your issue this year is, man,
I just don't want to man.
Speaker 5: I mean, like, I know the scheme is this, and
like it may be a little bit difficult, but like
you know what. UCF's already on the I mean you
can see it. There's a turnover I think in the
first five minutes of the game where UCF's going down.
They're Duncan on the other end, and Bay's point guard
is sitting on the other end of the four. He's
not chasing down, he's not moving, he's not even running
to the end of the floor for once they score
that he can bring the ball back the other way.
Speaker 3: He just hanging out down there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that to me is emblematic of it's not
that you can't, it's that you don't want to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get back to k Why here we're players
feeling a little bit too happy after the win over
Iowa State.
Speaker 7: Maybe you know, you don't know, you know, it's that
I'm a why guy, Like, like, I don't like why,
like why did that happen?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 7: And so I don't have a lot of answers for
that other than, like I said, you give Central Floor credit.
They played a good basketball game. Our approach and why
we were so you know, asleep at the wheel, you know,
I don't know. That's my job to figure that out,
and you know we will before our next game.
Speaker 3: I'm a why guy? Why did they get complacent? Why
didn't they put forth good effort? Why were they lazy?
Why were they? Uh just why was the effort lacking?
What's our diagnosis? Right? I mean the low hanging fruit
is that they they're coming off a big win, They're like, oh,
we are good. We are one of the best teams
in college basketball. We are you know, we can show
up and win. How many times the season have they
felt like they could show up and just win. We've
seen it time and time again where they got by
by the skin of their teeth. They're more talented than Colorado,
They're more talented than a lot of these teams that
they let play with them. They got down early, they
come back. Maybe that's an issue. They get down, they've
gotten down early, and they've always come back and they've
made it respectable. So they're like, yeah, like, we don't
have to put forth the best effort and we can
still be competitive in games. And when we actually do
put forth a great effort, then we can win them.
But they did not respect their opponent whatsoever. You can
tell the end of that game.
Speaker 5: By the way, it was one o'clock on the UCF
body clock.
Speaker 3: It was one o'clock in the morning. You had the
advantage if obviously you're playing at home.
Speaker 5: But on top of that, like you have East Coast guys,
it is one o'clock in the morning by the time
the game is over, and somehow they had more effort
than you.
Speaker 3: How how does that happen? Yeah, it's a it's a
it's a important question, there's no doubt about it. What
did you see defensively from your team allowing UCFS eleven
three pointers in the first half.
Speaker 8: There was none.
Speaker 7: You know, I think there was probably two of them
that I think I can tested at a rate that
I would have been pleased with. And we didn't whether
we didn't respect their shooters of what, I don't know.
I mean we you know, I'm looking at things that
we did as a staff and things like that, but
we didn't approach this game with any less bigger.
Speaker 8: Than we have any other game this year. And so.
Speaker 7: You know, we'll have to figure that out with the
players in a pretty candid, you know, film session tomorrow.
Speaker 8: But again, you know, shot making.
Speaker 7: Is is uh is what makes the game, you know,
challenging because it's hard, hard, it's hard to overlook it,
right when you're not making shots and they feel like
they're making everything.
Speaker 8: But you got to make a mess, right, That's why.
Speaker 7: That's why their players deserve credit for stepping up in
knocking shots down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So how do you read into that? Is he
more disappointed in his defense or is he more disappointed
that'd be way you didn't make shots in the first half,
you know what I mean, Like I couldn't tell there.
I was trying to read between the lines because he's like, well,
you know how, what's his lens? What does he see?
Obviously he's disappointing in his defense, it was non existent,
and he's like, I was only I was only okay
with maybe two of the contested looks that they got.
Thank goodness, he got at least two. But it sounds
like he was like, this is a shot making game.
He's an offensive minded coach. And if he's an offensive
minded coach, who's balancing the defensive effort, who's balancing the
defensive game? Who did you bring in as your defensive
guy initially? Who are the defense as specialists? Heard? Yeah,
from a player's standpoint, right, suppose we can ard right,
that's why you brought him in. And then from a
coaching staff standpoint, that has to set the tone and
set hopefully the culture up and and and look, it's
a it's a head coaching duty as well. But you
lean into what I found in life. In work, you
tend to gravitate towards either things you're good at or
you're passionate about. Right, So like, what is Ky truly
good at and passion about? He is an elite offensive
mind to coach, so he probably tends to lean into
that a little bit more so you need someone to
bounce balance that is Will Void balancing him? Is Tim
Fanning bouncing him? Are they balancing it enough so that
the team takes pride in it? I don't know. It
doesn't look like it. It doesn't look like it whatsoever.
Speaker 5: So UCF they were nine for their first eleven shots,
like they only miss they only missed two, nine for eleven.
Speaker 3: UCF had two.
Speaker 5: Or three separate times in the game where they made
five straight shots. BYU had two separate times in the
game where they missed six straight. I mean, it was
as hot and cold as it could possibly be. And
look when you see other teams make shots and then
you see yourself miss, like that makes your lows low
and their highers their highs higher. I do think that
I don't know how you explain this, I guess is
what my brain is wanting to say. Like we make
this joke every game where it's like, man, it feels
like somebody has a career day every time they play YU.
The whole team had a career day. The first five
minutes to the first half. Again, they were nine for eleven,
ten for thirteen. I mean, they went on a run
where they missed four in a row and they were
still eleven of eighteen, like they didn't miss And it's
just because I don't know if it's magic.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's mentality. I don't know what
it is, but everyone seems to have a career day.
You know what I do if I don't want to.
I mean, I'm a defensive guy. I've always been a
defensive guy. And when I came out of the womb,
I was playing defense. Okay, just so everybody knows, always
the best defender, always guarding the best offensive player in football,
in basketball, in soccer. If I had played lacrosse, I
know I'll probably have been the best defender. Okay. So
like you know, taking like like the mindset when someone's
going off against me, just so you know, like and
I can't really do anything about it. You know what
I do. I foul the shiz out of them. I
foul them so hard, not flagrant, not flagrant, but I
foul them so damn hard that they're like that hurts, like,
and I'm getting shots at them physically when they're off
off ball. I am like I'm trying everything to make
them feel uncomfortable. Guys like I Like, that's my mindset.
I'm like, look, this guy's good. I when when in basketball,
I'm wanting them to like I'm sticking out my knees
and I'm when they're getting by and I'm like trying
to give them a dead leg. Does that make sense?
Like everyone hated the criddle knees? Man, those things are
coming at you, bony processes, my elbows, you know whatever.
It is like I'm making you feel uncomfortable, so like
you have to do something different and so like that's something.
It's like I'm not saying like they have to employ it.
I'm just saying this isn't this is an idea, like
just foul someone at least if they're going off. Like
at what point did you know UCF was going off?
Probably after about three shots. Yeah, I'm fouling someone. I'm
fouling them hard. I'm doing something to change the vibe,
change the trajectory, doing something to change the energy. Period.
That's my mindset as a defender since I played sports
growing up. Now you can agree or disagree with me.
That's how I did it, and you know what, you know,
it's crazy. It worked it worked the hell of a
lot more then maybe I I initially expected it to work,
but it was like a survival technique. I'm like, this
guy will not because remember, I'm going against the best player.
I'm going against the best wide receiver on going against
the best guard. I'm going against the guy that's gonna
get buckets, that's gonna score, and it's gonna get looks
all day. So I'm like no, no, no, no, no, no
no no. Because my name says Kritle on the back
and the number, like, I don't want to be remembered
as the guy that that that that allowed this guy
to go off for a career high. I would not
let that happen. No way, no way, hose okay, not
gonna happen. So yeah, oh sorry, yeah we sorry. Vic.
I for some reason, you're not You're not hot right now,
You're good, you know, I love I love Vic's going
off right there anyway, So let's go to break. I
just want to see I think most people just want
to see effort. Like I think if someone would have
like been frustrated, like say a J's you know, just
just ticked off and he to the heart flat foul
on one of their whoever's going off at the time,
whoever he's garden. At least there's a visible, tangible evidence
that you care. Yeah, don't know what I mean that
you care. And then fans don't get to the point
where they want to boo you like that's that's crazy.
It's crazy. I cannot believe that happened. It happened because
there was it was visible that they didn't care.
Speaker 2: He can I can I jump in here.
Speaker 4: Look, I was at the game and I didn't put
this out because I saw a heartbreaking this. I'm like,
this is a bad moment. Fans were leaving in the
second half with ten minutes left, people were dipping out
like it was. It was that was heartbreaking to watch
Bau's fan base, Like while they're taking off, like not
saying that they're gonna win the game, but like they
might be able to make it to eight and see
if you see if can push it back to double
like taking off, gone, going to get snacks like out.
I'm like the Marry Out Center been when it got
the five minutes left, student section was a lot of
it was gone. People at the top like Laura, but
like it was empty, and I said Wow, this is
this is the biggest embarrassment of this team by far
this year.
Speaker 9: And just following up on hammer Time here, the first
six minutes they were eighty one percent from uh phil
gold range and then eighty three percent from three point rank.
Speaker 4: Crazy, man, I'm with you being out of knock somebody
on their butt and.
Speaker 3: I'm doing something. I'm hammertime in them. You know I'm
hammer time in them. You know you know those big
old legs of hammer times, right, you know that squatted
five hundred pounds in high school? Just showing up. You
want to trial me, I'll squat, You'll throw throw throw
fift three fifteen on there, I'll wrap it out twenty times.
I'm gonna use those big, big gurthy power play. You know.
I'm gonna judo chop you. I'm gonna roundhouse kick you
in the face, whatever it takes to not make myself
look like a complete bozo on the floor. Let's go
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get back to the sound. This BLA basketball team is bizarre.
The hives, the lows, the ups and down, the Jacquelin
hide what you know. We talked a little bit about
the silver linings. There was a few of them, I guess, uh,
but k wide very disappointed in the effort and the execution,
both offensively and especially defensively. Coach. The fans started doing
I don't know how often, how how many times b
YU fans at the Marriott Center have booed like I
feel like football fans. They don't boo they're gonna boo
every once in a while. They booed Bronco, They've booed Kialani,
They've booed a lot of guys over the years. They
booed players. Uh, they boo basketball. I mean I want to.
I feel like they don't boo as often a basketball fan.
There's a different demographic. By the way, basketball fans are
different than football fans. But after about booing the fans
booing the.
Speaker 2: Team, I'm agreeing with you. They don't do it.
Speaker 3: They normally just they about that life. So coach, the
fans started doing what is your response? What was response
to that?
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, you hope it energizes the guys, you know,
hope there's a level of embarrassment and just unacceptable, you know.
So I wasn't upset with the fans. They they you know,
our fans are incredible, you know, and so they deserve
to see a product that is has a lot more
effort than what our guys showed tonight.
Speaker 8: And so hopefully that never happens again.
Speaker 3: Hopefully that never happens again. The fans deserve better than that.
The fans are incredible, The fans are the best. Uh,
no problem with the booze Kevin Young.
Speaker 5: I think if we had to rank coaches basketball, football, professional,
I don't even care if we had to rank coaches
based on how good they are in the post game,
win or loss, Kevin Young's gotta be up there, like again,
this is embarrassing, This is horrible, and there's no part
of Kevin Young because Mick Cronin. You know what McK
cronin would have said to that question, You think I
give a rats a about what the fans think.
Speaker 3: That's a big Coronin would have said.
Speaker 5: Kevin Young's like, no, man, like, they deserve a better
product on the four than what we showed them. This
is embarrassing. I hope my team wakes up from seeing this.
Kevin Young ten out of ten on the.
Speaker 3: Mic per always yeah he's he does great work in
the post game. And I think bou fans though, like
when they see the effort, they're gonna they're going to
the lack of effort. Even though Ky is saying the good,
the right things, They're saying, well, what are you saying
to the team, How are you motivating the team? What's
going on with the team. Why is it that they're
not buying in to you coach or your coaching staff.
It'll it still falls on the shoulders of It's not
like it's different than football. I feel like probably the
head coach gets more credit than he deserves in basketball,
and he probably gets more hate than he deserves because
in football, we tend to cherry pick special teams offense,
defense because you have offensive coordinator, defense coordinator. It's it's entitle.
With basketball, it's not always in title. Yeah, like I'm
the offensive coordinator, I'm the defensive coordinator. So you tend
as a head coach to take in that criticism. Man,
he's getting criticized right now, Yeah he is.
Speaker 5: Do you feel like because I haven't been as online,
I know for me, I'm more upset with the players
than I am with Kevin Young. In fact, like I'd
be willing to defend Kevin Young because I feel as
though this is a lot of.
Speaker 3: This is not on him. I was telling Ron this morning,
and I think I said this yesterday.
Speaker 5: You lost your two tent poles of the guy who
carried your culture in Dawson Baker and Richie Saunders. So
the last guy who's carrying your culture is a J.
Deamansa and as great as he is, he's a freshman
and he hasn't been here for as long. He doesn't
have the upper classman gravitas that comes with it. And
so I feel like a lot of this, not all
of it, Some of it is on Kevin Young, pie Chartie, accountability,
all that stuff. I don't feel like as much of
it as should be is on Kevin hung But I
don't know where fans are at today. I feel like
I've heard a little bit from fans they're not happy
with Kevin Young, But I don't know that Patriard accountability wise,
I don't know Kevin Wyong is the number one guy
to blame here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think remember that we're still in this
transition of professionalism in college athletics where fans, Remember, fans
are more involved in recruiting, engagement, social media. They're more
involved now from a hype standpoint, Does that make sense?
Like they can be more interactive. They're buying these players,
and it has been a bit of a hiss and
a byword, it's been a little bit. You're not supposed
to critique or criticize the the student athletes, because then
that's not a good look. These are just kids. They
just they're babies. They just came out of the womb,
you know, and they're just being criticized, these perfect humans
that are not getting played paid million. Well, now, so
that shift, right, So you're supposed to have class. But
at the same time you're like, well, they're not putting
forth the effort that. I don't think bau fans would.
I don't I believe that bau fans will critique effort
more than execution. Yeah, they will critique effort. What they
expect culturally, like their forefathers that came across the planes
from the east to the west and settled this fine land,
a high desert that lacks moisture, hardened, gritty, overachieving, with
a sense of I would deem you know, supurity combined
with infiority and impulse control. They expect you to put
forth great effort and thrust in your sickle, put your
shoulder to the wheel, and pretty gosh dang freaking push along.
If you don't execute, it's okay, man, get up and
do it again. That's what they expect. They will. They
will critique effort all day over execution execuse, Like, hey,
they're not executing. We got to figure this out. But
as it potases the players, they expect great effort. They
expect great effort when they're paying the bills, y'all.
Speaker 9: That's what good defense comes from.
Speaker 3: Hundred percent. So, and I'm right there with it, Like, so,
what you didn't execute? I better see some effort. I
better see you foul somebody if you can't guard somebody,
you know what I mean? Let's get it back into it.
What was the message to the guys in the locker
room following that heartbreaking loss?
Speaker 7: See at one o'clock tomorrow for film.
Speaker 3: See at one o'clock? What did you say?
Speaker 2: That was a bad question? I admit that I can.
Speaker 5: I don't think that's actually I don't know if I
think that's a bad question. And the only reason I
say that is because I'd want to know.
Speaker 3: I think what was the mess?
Speaker 5: The team postcame right like, like you want to know
what the accountability is? Did you go in there and
you're just like, hey, guys, I know you gave it
a good effort. Or did you go in there and
let him know that you're disappointed? How did you leave
it with him? So? I mean I would I would
have been curious to know what Kevin Young said. And
what's funny is I think Spencer did a separate interview
with him for boy Sports Nation and he asked the
same question and Kevin Young's response was see you tomorrow
at one.
Speaker 3: So I and I think Agent was also asked that question.
Speaker 5: I don't I really don't think like I don't think
Kevin Young is summarizing saying, hey, I said this, that
and the other thing. But like, primarily what I was
saying was see one. I wonder if really all he
said was instead of tossing a chair, instead of getting pissed.
I really think the only words he said when he
got in the locker room were see you tomorrow. And
my guess is he probably walked out after that.
Speaker 4: It makes me feel better because I asked that question
because I'm with you, like being the hard hitting question.
I have to ask the accountabilly, like, so, what did
you say after that bad performance?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Like so, and probably kay.
Speaker 4: Kevin Young because he's even killed, uh you know, probably
said what Brett said. And he just seems like after
coaching an NBA and maybe I'm wrong, it seems like
he's gonna rip you on tape. He's not gonna rip
you to your face. I think he wants to go
back and watch. That's just a vibe I got from it.
Speaker 3: Que way more powerful, like if you I mean, yeah,
if you have all the cut ups, like that'd be
very powerful. Like in the like you get right into
the locker room, like look at this fecal matter? What
is this effort? Rob right? Do you even want to
be here? Do you want to go back to Delaware?
Do you want to go back to Baylor? Do you
not care about playing basketball? Do you want to be
an NBA player? Because you ain't. You're a midget. Actually
you're very short. You know, you're not a traditional NBA
point guard. They're going away from you. So you know
what you have to do. You have to show better
effort like otherwise, like these are frank and forthright conversations.
You could you do that one hundred percent? Do you
want to do that? I don't know, Like, I don't
know what's gonna get these guys juice jazz. Maybe it's
better to have those conversations at one o'clock the following day,
once emotions have died down.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, And I also think Kevin Young has moved
like he's already called them out postgame again. We referenced
it a bunch where he's like, you guys are being
too nice to them. I think he's this is like
a phase now, right Like at first.
Speaker 3: When my parents would yell at me because they did
something stupid, like.
Speaker 5: It was scolding. My dad would yell at me, this
is what you did wrong. I'd get the two hour lecture,
all those kinds of things. It was way too long.
I don't know why my dad lectured me for that long.
At one point, I just got to the point where
I learned all the answers I had to give to
get to the end the fastest separate lecture, first eparate day.
I think now what we're seeing is Kevin Young's like,
I'm not angry with you anymore.
Speaker 3: I'm just disappointed.
Speaker 5: And it's like I don't even have to say anything
to you for you to know that I'm upset. And
it's like it's almost more on you to know that
I'm upset with you than it is for me.
Speaker 3: To tell you that. Some kids react well to the
I'm not angry, I'm disappointed, and some don't. No, some
kids don't like my if my mom or Dad said like,
I'm disappointing it like it's young. As a young man,
I was like, okay, right, when you're a teenager, you're
like yeah, But as I got older, I'm disappointed. If
I'm just funny like all right, but.
Speaker 9: Every player knows going to watch tape the next day
if he's gonna get a butt chewing or not.
Speaker 3: You know, you always know, no doubt, Richie Saunders has
led you guys in three pointers all season. It's just
the type of game not having him here that it
just impacted it a little bit more.
Speaker 8: I don't know if i'd say to the three point.
Speaker 7: Uh part of it, but yeah.
Speaker 8: I mean his intensity you miss.
Speaker 7: I mean he's a guy that wakes up ready to
you know, just get after it every day in life.
And so we miss his intensity for sure. And so
that's where guys like uh, you know really that's where Robin.
Speaker 8: A have to grow. You know, they're they don't have
it in them naturally to be you know, hair on
fire type guys. But it's you know, I think.
Speaker 7: When you're when you're not naturally that way, you're not
naturally a vocal leader. I think you have to learn
how to lead sometimes, and I think that's a challenge
that they're guys. But it's you know, I think when
you're when you're not naturally that way, you're not naturally
a vocal leader.
Speaker 8: I think you have to learn how to lead sometimes.
Speaker 7: And I think that's a challenge that they're going through
right now, and it's a growth process for for both
of them. I think I think Aj has it in
him a little bit more naturally.
Speaker 8: Rob's got to kind of get.
Speaker 7: Out of his comfort zone a little bit more, because
that's that's where really where we miss Ritchie more than
more than anything.
Speaker 3: So it kind of cut out there for a second,
but he's do you say they don't have they they're
not naturally it was what he was reiterating the second time,
natural energy. Yeah, but I didn't hear the first Well.
Speaker 5: He reiterated it there at the end where he was like,
that's just really that's.
Speaker 7: You know there, they don't have it in them naturally
to be you know, hair on fire type guys.
Speaker 3: Okay, so hair on fire guys, they're not coming out
with high energy, high intensity hair on fire guys. That's
where they need to develop, that's where they need to grow. No,
that's not what their natural tendency their personality, and you
see it even like in their like, you know, their
postgame comments, like they're pretty pretty late back. I think
A J is probably more accountability based than Rob though,
would you agree with that? I think everybody kind of
grews with that. I think it's interesting that Rob scored
twenty and we did. He wasn't the one we talked
to in the media. Yeah, yeah, begs the question, right,
what's going on? What's going on? What were some of
the silver linings? Was it? Tyler Morass and Alexi Costa? Okay? Why?
Speaker 8: Yeah? Just seeing the ball go in, you know, seeing
I think, you.
Speaker 7: Know, Alex, he's a tough kid. I thought he stuck
his nose in there, you know, so did Tyler. And
you know, we're gonna need those guys to make shots
and provide spacing, which they did. You know, we went obviously,
we went small, and that's how we were able to
sort of claw back into it. So they allow us
to play a little bit differently. And you know, there's
there's no substitute seeing the ball going in the basket, Mitchell,
We'll get your question in.
Speaker 3: No substitute, hopefully, Tyler and Alection can find a role here.
I've got a few weeks left before big games occur
and really big games occur. How much trust do we
have in Tyler and Alecxi right now?
Speaker 5: I trust their effort, and I wish that that didn't
have to mean as much as it does right now.
I wish I could say, yeah, well, we got the
most talented guys on the floor, so we're just gonna
go out and win ball games. Yeah, but you know what,
I will take Tyler and Alexi's effort and they're want
to over some other guys who may have more talent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ronnie, how much do you trust Tyler or us
Alexi Costick?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I was one to ask Kevin on this question because
remember he said he's a Silver Linings guy, right. I
trust Alexi, I think more than Tyler. Chris and Kozlowski,
who does a great job, had said he just came out,
you know, and he just played with a great energy,
and he was fierce, he was fearless. And Alexi, you
saw something last night that you can build off of
shooters been when do you normally see them break loose?
You can talk about at home, you can talk about
on the road. It's in what neutral site games, right,
it's shooters, Jim. It's stuff like that. You can build momentum.
You saw Trevin Nell do it last year. And now
I'm not comparing Alexi to Trevin. I want people to
relax a little bit. But you know, that's the type
I think the shooters for bo. You can't get hot
in the Big twelve tournament and in the NCAA tournament
because it's an open gym. Now they're gonna have to
go prove it, right, But I trust obviously, I think
Alexi a little bit more.
Speaker 3: And Tyler and Alexi we trust. We're gonna need to
trust him. There's not much left on him to have
a choice. You don't have no choice. What was UCF
doing to not only limit AJ from being efficient, but
the volume of shots as well.
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, they did a good job like most teams
where they just crowded. You know, I thought, I thought,
I thought Aj he has not been good this year.
I mean he's been incredible across the board, right, I
think the times where he gets himself in trouble, where he's.
Speaker 8: Trying too hard to get.
Speaker 7: Fouled, I thought that kind of put him in a
space of frustration tonight, and I thought he started forcing
the issue for as good as he was against Iowa
State with making the extra pass and getting guys shots.
Speaker 8: I thought tonight it was just wasn't there.
Speaker 7: And so, you know, from a scheme standpoint, you know,
to your question about Richie, you know, I got to
make sure that I'm doing everything that I can to
put Aj in the spots that he can get to.
Speaker 8: And you know that that's going to.
Speaker 7: Continue to have some examination by myself and my staff.
You know, teams, they were loading up on him quite heavily.
Maybe there were some things we could have done better
to get him off to a better start, but you know,
at the same time, you know, guys have to figure
it out on their own, you know, and you can't
let a game get away from you like that and.
Speaker 8: Then try to claw back. So we got a lot
of learning to do.
Speaker 3: We've talked about it. The one of the critiques that
we've given a j is, you know, you look for
fouls too often. And look, he may have gotten those
calls maybe a non conference, but the Big twelve, the
way that the rest are called, they're not they're not
always willing to give that call through contact. It just
doesn't happen consistently, and so you can't bank on that,
And so little constructive criticism from k why there? But
it's his job. He took some accountabilities to my job
to get him looks. It's my job to get him looks.
It's our staff at the job to get him right looks.
But guys also have to figure it out. There's a
little OREO do you feel that?
Speaker 5: Isn't it weird that he said that in public? Just
and the only reason I think that is because my
guess is that's first something that you say in private,
and maybe.
Speaker 3: He has because I don't. Tevin Young's obviously not. I
bet you knowing K why, I bet you said it
two or three times, that's why. And now that he
now you said it two or three times and it's
hit home and it's once they agree with you, Yeah, okay,
I need to stop looking for those. Then you can
take it to the public. Does that make sense? And
a relational element here, like they've agreed that they need
to probably come out with their hair on fire. Yeah,
I need to be better in that and and they've
addressed it now probably three times in the season and
probably Rob and AJ have agreed to it. AJ said, Yeah,
I probably looked for contacted fouls and I'm not getting them,
and I throw my arms up. You're not gonna at
those calls. Stop looking for him, and let's just find
a better way to get buckets. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I also think the further of a hit you take
emotionally and the more your walls come down, the more
you're willing to open up about and say, at least
with Kevin young And again, it's not like he it
was like a game breaking comment or anything. But I
wonder if this is four games ago, if that's something
Kevin young said, because again, one of the first things
we heard him say to start off this presser was
I don't know, I don't know. So I wonder if
that's another reason where because he's just like he's no
longer thinking what do I say to the media, He's
just openly thinking and speaking.
Speaker 3: What do you got Ronnie?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: You both are right, And here's why Kevin Younger said this.
How many times been you say two or three data points?
Kevin Younger said four or five times this year in
postgame pressures that Age is a smart player.
Speaker 2: You only have to tell them months or twice.
Speaker 4: Well, Kevin, if I'm going to take that logic, I'm
pretty sure, like you said, Ben and brettas said, they've
had that discussion in private. They probably even had that
discussion on the court and we haven't seen. So at
this point, that's accountability on AJ and AJ didn't.
Speaker 3: He did.
Speaker 4: We'll get to the sound, but AJ did take accountability
to it. He says to the Big twelve, I gotta
fight through contact. And I don't know what it is, Ben,
but maybe it goes back to the question before about
Rob and AJ. It takes a lot of them like
get riled up and come with energy, and some guys
need that. But Ben is very simple and look, you
have to coach every play different. But Ben, and you
know this as my coach, if you came and yelled
in my face and said that's you know whatever and
got me fired up, I'm angry and I'm mad and
I'm gonna go put my shoulder in somebody's chest and
dunk on them.
Speaker 2: And AJ he has that ability.
Speaker 4: So I'm just like, do you not if you're not
getting the calls, when do you hit your turn up motor?
Like well, I'm just gonna bully you and I'm gonna
put this ball. Now, when is that mode clicking his brain?
Because he's trying to foul bait in Colorado's we played
a Taboyle sound. People aren't gonna jump, You're not gonna
get the it's not an NBA call. They're gonna stand
flat footed, put their hand up, and you're not gonna
be a to swing your arm into them and get
to the free throw line like Kevin Durant.
Speaker 2: So he's got to stop that because.
Speaker 4: If he's a smart player, Ben and if you only
have to tell him once and I'm reading between the
lines and obviously ain't clicking.
Speaker 3: No, it is not. And look I do think, I
mean AJ's got dog in him. I just think that
things have been I mean, he's putting pretty dominant. As
soon as he decided to be a basketball player during COVID,
he became dominant and very few people could keep up
with him. In very few Pep can Garver m he
can be at eighty eighty seventy five percent and beat
ninety nine percent of the players up to this point.
Now what we're seeing is like you Seef is a
top thirty five offensive unit. They can get buckets. They're
playing your good players offensively. They're just not cohesive as
a defensive unit, and that's their weakness. And so you know,
they came in and they were a little bit just
lase fair, that's what they were. And they thought they
could just show up. They look at the record, they
look at where they're ranked in standings, they look at
their their epeople again like yeah, like we should be
able to beat this team. We should be able to
beat this team. And they faffoed, they messed around, and
they found out real quick, we'll go to break. You
gotta bring your a game. Anyone can beat anybody on
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