WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:04.080 Well, Whiskey coming game. 2 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:15.439 From power Line blog dot com and produced by Ricochet 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:20.399 dot com. This is the three whiskey Happy Hour with 4 00:00:20.519 --> 00:00:26.120 your bartenders Steve Hayward, John You and power Lines International 5 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:31.480 Woman of Mystery Lucretia got a giving Let that whiskey 6 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:35.600 blow where you're being in loud down and load. 7 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:38.200 Well, John, you will be happy to know that we 8 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:41.439 have the evidence this week that our exertions are now 9 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:44.560 being rewarded in the marketplace. You may have noticed, or 10 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:46.960 maybe not, if you've been traveling, that while the stock 11 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:51.320 market was taking huge, McDonald's stock is on a huge rally, 12 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:55.320 so our church of course, of course right, and we're 13 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:57.079 finally showing up in the marketplace. 14 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:01.759 So people runs for safety, and in a disaster, you 15 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:04.040 should run for the McDonald's. That's right, It's all the 16 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:06.560 food will be. That's right, you know, mc ribs and 17 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:08.439 thirty day tea bills. That's where you want to be, 18 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:14.400 right now, exactly right. I spent a lovely eve. Oh 19 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:16.319 by the way, I'm good morning, Lucretia. How are you? 20 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:18.159 I'm well? Thanks? How are you? 21 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:18.560 Steve? 22 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:21.719 I am good because I spent a delightful evening. 23 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:24.519 Listeners were recording Saturday morning, as we often do when 24 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.599 we can't get together during the week. I spent a 25 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:29.480 delightful Friday evening with as he is now known, Baron 26 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:35.239 Andrew Roberts of Belgravia and our mutual friend or Lucretia's 27 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:37.560 mutual friend of mine, Lance Zumi, was there. Lance is 28 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:41.400 an open monarchist, and I confess to Lord Roberts he's 29 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:44.760 either Lord or Baron that I'm accused by you of 30 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:47.159 being a closet monarchist. But I give it away when 31 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:49.120 I keep calling him Lord Roberts, because I'm known him 32 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:50.879 for a long time, and he says, no, call me Andrews. 33 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:51.439 I can't. 34 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:54.040 I'm one of those American traditionalists who you know, sort 35 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:55.840 of swoons in front of British Royalty. 36 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:59.000 Do you also pull the forelock of your hair? Oh 37 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:01.359 you don't have any hair, Steve, What do you pull? 38 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:04.040 Do you pull your nose? Do you pull your ears? 39 00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:07.400 You can't. I hate to see see I think of 40 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:10.919 the idea of Steve curtseying, but I could. I mean, 41 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:13.360 that would fit in really well with the Olympic ceremonies. 42 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:16.159 To see Steve curtseying before a British lord. You could 43 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:18.919 have right next to the whatever that was of the 44 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.479 last supper that they had at the opening ceremonies. 45 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:24.120 Yeah, well, you know, finding the little story on that 46 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:26.960 is a midweek I dashed back to Washington to be 47 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:30.120 taped for a documentary that's being produced, and they told 48 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:32.120 me you're going to show up at twelve noon for 49 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:34.919 hair and makeup. And wait, they haven't looked at me lately. 50 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:36.599 I don't need hair, just make up. 51 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:40.159 Well, maybe you could have asked them for some. 52 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:42.159 I thought about that. 53 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:44.639 I will give you a piece that was not gossip, 54 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:47.000 but a little bit of an insider thing. I don't 55 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:48.560 know if we're gonna have time today to talk about 56 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:51.520 project twenty twenty five that will keep for any week, 57 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:53.080 But put it this way. 58 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:55.479 I talked to a very well placed source. 59 00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:58.759 Who told me that, in fact, Trump is still calling 60 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:02.319 Kevin Roberts every week, and so what's going on? 61 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:04.960 You know what you probably have about a little bit 62 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:11.680 of context So the Trump administration, some stupid millennials inside 63 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:16.280 the Trump administration have put out and obviously Trump has 64 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:20.400 gone along with it, the argument that not only did 65 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:24.439 Trump have nothing to do with the twenty twenty five project, 66 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:28.080 which is the Heritage Project that has a whole list 67 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:31.800 of recommendations for what the next administration should do to 68 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:34.199 try to save our country, most of which are perfectly 69 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:38.560 sound and Trump no doubt agrees with. But some millennial 70 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:42.599 Oh god, we gotta go on defense because the Democrats 71 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:48.400 are accusing us of being behind Project twenty twenty five. Morons. Sorry, yes, 72 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:52.280 I've decided. I've decided that millennials drive me absolutely up 73 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:54.000 my mind, which we're going to come back to when 74 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:58.520 we get to Abigail Shearer. But yeah, whatever name is, 75 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:03.599 she's not worth anyway. All right, what she wrote was stupid. 76 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:06.199 I know she Actually she's done a lot of good stuff. 77 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:08.800 I take I take it back. But my point is, 78 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:14.759 of course Project twenty twenty five should be and probably is, 79 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:19.560 endorsed by Trump. And why is it that Republicans always 80 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:22.240 have to go on defense instead of coming back and saying, 81 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:24.839 this is what's really in twenty twenty five? What do 82 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:27.519 you have against this? What do you have against this? Right? Well, 83 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:29.279 well we'll talk about they don't get it. 84 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:31.560 Well, I mean, I guess a little background. 85 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:36.360 This is actually even before John was was still a 86 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:37.920 pup is the Heritage Foundation. 87 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:41.399 They've been doing I think every four years. 88 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:43.720 Maybe they took some elections off, but ever since nineteen 89 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:46.600 eighty they've done a big, thick, usually eight hundred page, 90 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:51.279 detailed policy recommendations for an incoming and conservative at a 91 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:54.439 Republican administration. This is the first time the left has 92 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:56.199 decided to go off on it. 93 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:57.480 And yes, you're right. 94 00:04:57.480 --> 00:05:01.199 I think it was cowardly of them to take the 95 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:01.600 bank and. 96 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:04.360 Actually named a couple of twits that were behind it 97 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:09.639 so kind in the Trump campaign consultants who advised them. 98 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:14.079 To Well, I confess I actually I actually downloaded it 99 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:16.800 and read parts of it because I was curious too 100 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:20.480 as I read the legal parts, which were you know, 101 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:23.279 they actually had a lot of you know, the Russia 102 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:27.879 collusion stuff and immigration, but didn't actually propose any serious 103 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:30.720 changes to why the Justice Department of law enforcement worked 104 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:33.240 in this country. I mean it was I mean, people 105 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:35.279 could read it and they would fall asleep. 106 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:36.079 Yeah. 107 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:39.319 I think the only thing that really probably upset Trump 108 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:41.720 was that I think it takes a much more pro 109 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:44.120 life position than he wants to take. Although how that 110 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:47.399 translates into policy in the working of the deep state 111 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.199 or administrative state, whatever you want to call it doesn't 112 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:52.720 really come through. I mean, what would a pro life 113 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:56.079 administrative state look like, might be even more powerful than 114 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:58.399 a pro choice administrative state. I don't know. It doesn't, 115 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:01.600 it doesn't. I think he just didn't like the pro 116 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:04.079 life stuff in it, even though it's not a big 117 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:06.920 part of the document as far as I could tell. 118 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:09.319 Well, look, I mean, I think you see this in 119 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:12.920 almost all campaigns. It's the not invented here mentality. The 120 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:16.519 Trump administration didn't control this, They weren't directly behind it. 121 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:18.720 If you go back to nineteen sixty four in a 122 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:22.759 Goldwater campaign, he had no greater supporters and boosters the 123 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:25.920 National Review and the sort of young conservative movement around 124 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:29.000 Buckley and William Rusher who helped Goldwater get the nomination, 125 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:31.800 and the campaign did their best to keep them at 126 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:35.160 arm's length and distance themselves from National Review during the 127 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:37.839 campaign that year. And that's just part of the course. 128 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:41.000 I think it's almost that simple. Although I will agree 129 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:44.199 with the creche about stupid millennials, but we should talk 130 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:46.279 about Actually it's a unifying theme for the day. I 131 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:48.360 realized when we were looking at new stories to comment 132 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:52.439 on that they're a unifying theme emerged, and that theme 133 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.079 was what No, I didn't forget what it is that 134 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:58.040 the common theme is American identity and human nature. So 135 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:01.560 here's several stories. We'll tike through a bunch of them, 136 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:02.920 and they're all about the same thing. 137 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:03.600 I argue. 138 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:07.439 One is Trump's appearance before the Society of Black Journalists, 139 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:11.519 which too many to talk of Lucretia about conservatives not 140 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:13.759 getting it. I've been really disappointed at how a lot 141 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:15.920 of people who should know better have responded badly. 142 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:20.959 Second, the attacks on Kamala. 143 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:24.120 Harris as a diversity hire, which Abigail Shier, who I 144 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:26.519 think otherwise is very sound, has dissented on. 145 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:28.920 That's what Lucretia picked out as our article of the week. 146 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:32.560 And then this controversy coming out of the Olympics about 147 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:36.319 the boxer who's not exactly transgender, but as one of 148 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:40.319 these intersex persons that's very problematic for sports, and I 149 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:42.800 know a bit about some aspects of that. And then 150 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:44.600 if we have time, I'll do a brief homily and 151 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:47.199 political philosophy, because we're really falling down on the job 152 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:50.160 for that. But all right, who wants to start? I mean, 153 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:52.319 I have my own thoughts. I'll give you my position. 154 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:53.040 Reach one. 155 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:55.600 Well, let's start with Trump before the black journalists, and 156 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:57.439 we're going to see why there's a unifying theme to 157 00:07:57.480 --> 00:07:58.240 all these stories. 158 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:01.720 Oh, it was terrible. 159 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:05.000 Of him to say, uh, you know, Harris used to 160 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:07.959 be Indian. Now suddenly she became black. I didn't know this, 161 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:10.560 and everyone was saying, oh, what a blunder, and this 162 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:14.319 is terrible. I think it was another typical Trumpian stroke 163 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:17.079 of genius. And I'll defend that proposition, but I'll bring 164 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:19.519 you guys in to give your reactions and observations. 165 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:21.279 First, John, you want to go first. 166 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:26.279 Ah one. I thought it was good that he went. 167 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:29.560 I think I think it just as a tactical political matter, 168 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:33.919 not sure tactically, you know, people, I think he's changing 169 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:36.440 the face of a Republican party, and one of the 170 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:38.799 good things about that is he's going to places that 171 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:41.840 Republican candidates haven't gone in the past. He gets no 172 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:44.559 appreciation from it from his audience, who you know, were 173 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:46.960 quite hostile in the I mean the other I mean, 174 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:48.559 I think Trump had a good point. I mean he 175 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.039 over overdoes it. I mean always, it was a good 176 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:54.320 point to say, I just got here in the first thing, 177 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:56.799 you say, as a litany of things, claim me I'm 178 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:00.799 a racist, right, I mean, I don't blame although that 179 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:02.720 things like that have happened to me from time to 180 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:07.720 time when I've come to speak to So that's the first. 181 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:11.440 The second thing is, I don't I don't think it's 182 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:15.159 wrong for the campaign to raise identity politics because the 183 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:18.559 other side is raising identity politics too, right. They're trying 184 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:21.799 to portray Trump now is the old white man candidate, 185 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:24.000 which is funny. They weren't saying those things when Biden 186 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:28.440 was still running. But I think as a matter of 187 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:34.000 campaign broader campaigns historically, you know, I'm not sure. I mean, 188 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:36.039 maybe this is just what's different about Trump and his 189 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:39.519 campaign is usually the you know, the vice president is 190 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:42.799 the attack dog, and the president kind of sits back 191 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:47.559 and you know, makes more positive, optimistic statements about the country, 192 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:51.159 and the vice president goes after the presidential candidate of 193 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:55.320 the other party. Here, it's like, uh, they're they're reversed. 194 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:58.039 I think, you know, Trump likes being the attack dog. 195 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:00.759 He likes getting in the trenches and fighting. He likes 196 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:03.919 to be the vice presidential candidate, and you're the thing 197 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:06.279 they were saying about the party was saying about JD. 198 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:08.720 Vance was, Oh, he was the broader thinker, he was 199 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:11.039 the one who was going to create the way forward 200 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:14.120 for the Republican Party. Actor Trump, he's the one who's 201 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:16.759 going to put meat on the bones of Mega And 202 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:20.320 so it's weird. It's a reverse dynamic. And maybe it'll work. 203 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:23.919 Maybe the voters want to see the presidential candidate himself 204 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:27.000 getting his hands dirty, to be the boxer in the ring, 205 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:31.240 the non whatever x x Y candidate in the ring 206 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.679 and duke it up. But it seems to run counter 207 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:38.720 to the way people, you know, professionals have tried to 208 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:41.440 run campaigns in the past, and maybe that's where you're 209 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:43.639 you're starting to see the downsides all that. 210 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:47.799 John, that was a B minus answer Lucretia time. 211 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:50.240 Peter bringing Oh, come on, I'll tell you why in 212 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:52.519 a minute, Like John McLaughlin used to do Lucretia. 213 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:53.840 I'll bet you understand the point. 214 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:57.159 Yeah, but first of all, let's talk about how this 215 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:02.639 is such a manufactured controversy on the part of the 216 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:07.399 right end the left. Trump went there. He absolutely killed it. 217 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:11.240 The only people who didn't think so were the squishy rhinos, 218 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:14.840 the never Trumpers and the people on the left who 219 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:18.960 aren't going to vote for Trump anyway. Trump's base thought 220 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:21.559 he was terrific. He was terrific, you know, and like 221 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:24.240 John pointed out, he went to the hostile place that 222 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:31.200 Mala refused to go. I don't get this controversy. I 223 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:35.120 don't get the controversy about making fun of Kamala's race 224 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:40.240 or identification of her race. Of course you should make 225 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:42.519 fun of it. She used to be Indian American and 226 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:45.919 Jamaican American, and now she's black American. What the hell 227 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.440 is she? She's darker than her parents. But okay, so 228 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:55.200 never mind that, all right, But why do we let 229 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:58.559 them focus on something like that when instead we ought 230 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:03.120 to be focusing on white dudes. For Kamala what a 231 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:09.360 bunch of Beta mail pussies, oh my god. Or the 232 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:13.159 coordinated effort in the less than twenty four hours where 233 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:20.480 five thousand Democrats, democratic politicians and media personalities called Trump 234 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.039 and vance weird means oh yeah, right, when are we 235 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.879 going to stop playing defense on these people? 236 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:27.440 Well? 237 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:30.120 This is well, this is my point and why I 238 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:34.360 think here's the way I read it. It was on offense, 239 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:36.960 and I think in a splendid way. The Democrats are 240 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:41.679 devoted to identity politics. However, they try to constrain the discourse. 241 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:45.519 It's identity politics as only they understand it, only they 242 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:49.360 get to identify. You decline what identities are than anyone 243 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:52.279 who dissents, whether it's in terms of DEI or anything else, 244 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:54.240 as racist. And you can't and you have to shut up, 245 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:56.799 you know. I keep going back to that line. Glenn 246 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:59.240 Elmers wrote a few weeks ago that I thought was 247 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:02.159 very good. Race said, there's a reason why Trump exaggerates 248 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:04.600 and even sometimes lies. You have to do that to 249 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:08.720 break through the suffocating narrative of our establishment. That's what 250 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:12.440 So what Trump did is he forces people to reckon 251 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:16.279 with the fact that the Democrats are obsessed with identity politics. 252 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:18.720 Your melon level is what counts most of all, and 253 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:20.600 you know, the darker your melon and the better. That's 254 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:22.919 why Kris wants to go from being Indian to black 255 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:29.960 and right and so and that. 256 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:30.720 She's a phony. 257 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:32.679 Right, she's a phony, and we're gonna and now you 258 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:33.960 make an easy transition to. 259 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:36.440 Her issue positions. I think she's equally phony there. I 260 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:39.120 think it's very effective. The media, forget the media. 261 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:41.159 One last point, John, I mean you did say something 262 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:44.600 quite important that he went there. Uh, you know, it 263 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:47.000 really hasn't been a politician really since Reagan who was 264 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:50.440 willing to go to hostile audiences. You know, Reagan appeared 265 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:54.200 before the NAACP in nineteen eighty during the campaign, and. 266 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:56.960 Then eighty two he spoke to I think it was 267 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:57.799 either again. 268 00:13:57.600 --> 00:13:59.600 The NAACP or it might have been the Urban League, 269 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:01.879 which is kind the same thing. And eighty two is 270 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:05.799 a horrible recession, ten percent unemployment. And Reagan's whole speech was, 271 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:08.320 you know, the Great Society was really bad for black people. 272 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:10.919 It made everything worse for you, and that's why you 273 00:14:10.919 --> 00:14:12.279 should turn away from liberalism. 274 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:13.440 And all the media was out now. 275 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:15.639 Of course, of Reagan was polite and stylish, his usual thing, 276 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:18.200 but the media was just as outraged as they are 277 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:20.240 about Trump, and so why not go big like Trump? 278 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:23.639 Did you know he attached the leads to the plunger 279 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:25.519 and plunged it and blew it up, and I think 280 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:26.879 it puts them on the defensive. 281 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:30.399 You don't agree, No, No, I think I wish he 282 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:32.440 had done that. And he could have done that. He 283 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:35.240 had a great opportunity, right they started they gave him 284 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:38.399 the perfect opportunity to say, why does her race matter? 285 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:42.080 He could even say, you know, Kamahas to me stands 286 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:45.440 for someone who's benefited her whole career by being a 287 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:50.080 little fluid with how she described herself. I'm sure we're 288 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:52.120 going to do it under gender fluidy, all this stuff 289 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:55.519 and racial fluidity later in the podcast, but dis pointing 290 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:57.399 out that, and then then he just said, I just 291 00:14:57.440 --> 00:15:01.120 don't care. I believe the colorblind constitution. Constitution doesn't care 292 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:03.519 about a race. And he could have just thought saying 293 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:05.559 I'll beat her no matter what her race is or 294 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:07.879 what she calls herself. That's all he needs. 295 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:08.080 Right. 296 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:11.519 In fact, I actually find it kind of feel I 297 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:14.480 feel a slight cringe when I hear Trump or any 298 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:17.320 republic Republican candidates always say are saying I've been good 299 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:19.720 for the black community. Yeah, right, like you said, seem 300 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:25.000 it should just be I'm great for everybody, but stident 301 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:27.120 I always say exactly the same thing. 302 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:29.279 We had a huge discussion about it in terms of 303 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:33.399 whether or not candidates should appeal to those those groups. 304 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:36.200 But you were the one John who came back and said, 305 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:38.879 that's not the reality we live in it's not the 306 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:41.279 reality we live in. And the fact that he was 307 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:44.600 addressing the Black Journalists Association or whatever the hell it 308 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:47.240 was called, is proof of the fact that that's the 309 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:50.480 way they see the world. I'm not sure that a 310 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:55.080 half an hour interview with some antagonistic moron is the 311 00:15:55.159 --> 00:16:00.799 opportunity to remind everybody out there of genuine constitutional principles 312 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:04.720 of equality before the law. I think that that he 313 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:07.279 could have done a little bit of what you talked about, 314 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:09.840 but but I actually I hate to say it. I 315 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:13.679 agree with Steve on this one, considering the with me. 316 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:16.559 I do hate with you, Steve, because you know, I 317 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:17.960 don't want to give you any kind of. 318 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:22.000 Credence, but it's a common feeling amongst the audience to stem. 319 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:30.360 That that, you know, the the immediate political uh victory 320 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:34.000 of what he said was probably more important than trying 321 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:36.679 to do what you're talking about. And all I want 322 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:39.159 to I don't want to necessarily end this conversation, but 323 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:41.480 it takes me to why I was so annoyed by 324 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:46.240 Abigail's peace, which is reflective of a lot of things 325 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:48.399 you see in the media right now, which is, you know, 326 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:52.399 the the Trump campaign is going after Calm a Law 327 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:56.480 all wrong, probably starting with Calm a Lah as a 328 00:16:57.480 --> 00:16:59.600 way of making fun of her that, you know, we 329 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:01.679 have to be above it all and we have to 330 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:04.480 concentrate on policy, and her policies are so bad, and 331 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:09.240 we don't understand how incredibly successful she's going to be 332 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:12.440 because of the circumstances by which she rose to the 333 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:15.680 queen ship. And you know, just on and on and 334 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:19.720 on what. Okay, Yes, her policies were terrible. We've talked 335 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:21.960 about how terrible are policies. Get them out there, get 336 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:25.799 them out there every day. But one is not precluding 337 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:28.680 of the other. You were, of course, you could talk 338 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:30.359 about the fact that it turns out she was not 339 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:33.960 just Willie Brown squeeze, that's my nicest term for it. 340 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:38.920 And Montel William's second girlfriend, and she was probably a 341 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:42.400 call girl. There are pictures out there of her in 342 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:47.400 you know, short leather dress skirts and high fishnet stockings, 343 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:51.079 and now they're probably AI. Okay, they're probably AI. But 344 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:53.680 stuff out there on Trump is AI all the time. 345 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:55.200 In the left post with it, I say, we go 346 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:58.640 with it. I mean, there are so many surrogates out 347 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:02.119 there speaking on Trump's behalf or speaking just because they 348 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:06.920 support Trump. You can have all of these arguments in 349 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:10.160 the public sphere, but instead of Republicans that we don't 350 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:13.079 want to go there. In the meantime, you know, Democrats 351 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:19.640 are Trump is weird. Jd Vance is weird, and everybody says, well, 352 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:20.960 that's okay. You can say that. 353 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:22.200 Well, let me do. 354 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:24.960 But we'll turn to the Shreyer argument in a moment 355 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:28.480 because it actually introduces an element of timing, which is secondary. 356 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:32.240 But look, of course that we can always say that Trump, 357 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:34.160 but this is true that any candidates can do a 358 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:35.839 better job rhetorically of how he did it. 359 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:38.400 But I think that's less important than that he did it. 360 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:39.680 But here's the thing. 361 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:41.960 I actually think Trump does get this at some again 362 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:45.640 elemental level. It's worth going back sometime if you had 363 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:48.079 the time to do it and watching us first inaugurl. 364 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:50.480 I don't know how many people remember this, and maybe 365 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:53.400 people didn't watch it, but the I was there, you. 366 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:56.000 Were okay, So you know that there's always a center. 367 00:18:56.440 --> 00:18:58.559 I thought it was January sixth, twenty twenty one, but 368 00:18:58.680 --> 00:18:59.880 it was actually twenty seventy. 369 00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:03.359 So as you know, there's always a senator who is 370 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:06.680 the host of inauguration, it was Chuck Schumer, and in 371 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:09.920 welcoming the crowd, Chuck Schumer starts ticking off all the boxes. 372 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:14.839 I forget the exact words, but he mentioned African Americans, immigrants, Hispanics, Asians. 373 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:17.440 You know, he just went all down the list of 374 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:20.680 what I call the Democrats certified victim groups, because that's 375 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:22.799 how they think, and that's how they talk, and that's 376 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:25.319 how they want to divide up in America into groups 377 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:28.599 that need administrations of big government. Trump gets up, and 378 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:31.359 what did he talk about. We're all Americans. We may 379 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:33.319 be of different races and whatever, but we all have 380 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:37.440 the same with our blood all runs red. Trump's the 381 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:41.480 guy who gave the message of common citizenship, a common humanity, 382 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:44.839 and that contrast, I think is what's being brought up here. 383 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:47.279 And that brings us to Schiber's article. She says, why 384 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:49.920 don't we just attack her on her issues? And my 385 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:52.240 point is, I know, we're only one hundred days the election. 386 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:55.359 There's plenty of time for that. There's actually reason to 387 00:19:55.519 --> 00:20:00.240 hold your fire on those things while the honey moon 388 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:04.359 period for Harris gets over with. And so I thought, 389 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:07.200 you know, she did I think an excellent the articles. 390 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:10.640 In the show notes, she did excellent recitation of Harris's 391 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:14.440 political weaknesses, and then she says, yeah, she's a dei higher. 392 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:18.680 That's true, she says, but equally beside the point, and 393 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:21.400 that Lucretius where I lost it too, because I think 394 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:22.960 that is the point. 395 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:24.240 That is, to my. 396 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:26.359 Mind, I've been saying for years now, and you and 397 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:29.599 I both the central political controversy of our entire age 398 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:32.160 is human nature, of which this whole idea that you 399 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:34.359 can define your own identity and your own gender will 400 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:37.599 come to. That is central to leftist orthodoxy because they 401 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:41.720