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Speaker 2: host journalist and author Dan Zupanski. Good evening.
Speaker 6: This book tells the story of five different homicide cases
Speaker 6: from Kansas City, Missouri, as told by the prosecutor who
Speaker 6: handled the cases himself. Fill the vota five different stories
Speaker 6: of the five chapters to tell the different tale of
Speaker 6: true crime from the criminal's perspective, the police perspective, and
Speaker 6: the prosecution perspective. The Jackson County Prosecutor's Office and the
Speaker 6: Kansas City Police Department were involved in obtaining justice for
Speaker 6: the victims. From the horrific crime where the murderer made
Speaker 6: his son help him cut off the victim's head and hands,
Speaker 6: to the robbery and rape of the sweet neighborhood grandmother.
Speaker 6: This is a hard to put down book that keeps
Speaker 6: you wanting more. The book that we're featuring this evening
Speaker 6: is his Name was Murder. Real Kansas City crime stories
Speaker 6: from the prosecutor with my special guest, journalist and author
Speaker 6: and prosecutor Phil Levoda. Welcome to the program, and thank
Speaker 6: you very much for greeted this interview Phil Levoda.
Speaker 3: Thank you Dan for having men, Sir appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Thank you very much. Some incredible, unique stories from Kansas City,
Speaker 6: the Missouri. So let's start off with what is your
Speaker 6: personal tie and background in law that brought you to
Speaker 6: being a prosecutor in Jackson County.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for having me. First of all, I sure
Speaker 3: appreciate that we having this international audience. So it's an
Speaker 3: honor to be on your program, So thank you for
Speaker 3: the opportunity. You know, I started off I'm a Kansity
Speaker 3: guy actually born in Independence, Missouri. Started my interest in
Speaker 3: the criminal justice area. I went to Central Missouri State
Speaker 3: University and got a criminal justice degree and didn't know
Speaker 3: whether I would follow into some law enforcement worker as
Speaker 3: an attorney, but then went to law school and in
Speaker 3: my third year of law school, I had the opportunity
Speaker 3: to be an intern at the Jackson County prosct Attorney's Office.
Speaker 3: Jackson County is the county that Kansas City, Missouri is in,
Speaker 3: that's on the western side of Missouri. The people of
Speaker 3: Frommith the state of Missouri. Saint Louis is on the east
Speaker 3: of Kansas City on the west. The Jackman County prosecut
Speaker 3: Attorney's Office is the largest prosecutorial office in five states,
Speaker 3: and we had over one hundred prosecutors in the office
Speaker 3: and handled all of the state felony serious crimes from
Speaker 3: homicides to robbery, to rape to that type of thing.
Speaker 3: And so I had the opportunity as a third year
Speaker 3: to be hired by the prosecutor's office to be an
Speaker 3: intern in the state of Missouri. As a third year
Speaker 3: law student, the law allows you to actually appear in
Speaker 3: court on behalf of the state if you have a
Speaker 3: supervisor attorney with you. And I had the opportunity in
Speaker 3: my third year law school to try eight cases and
Speaker 3: to give opening statements to cross them witnesses give the
Speaker 3: closing argument in homicide cases. So I just fell in
Speaker 3: love with being a prosecutor and being the guy with
Speaker 3: a white hat and being the guy that was putting
Speaker 3: the bad guy's a way. As I graduated from law school,
Speaker 3: I was given an opportunity to go to law school,
Speaker 3: which I loved and I actually excelled at it, and
Speaker 3: I had a couple of different offers to go work
Speaker 3: for a big firm or to go work for the
Speaker 3: Jackson Process Office making no money, and I decided to
Speaker 3: go make no money working as a prosecutor, which I loved,
Speaker 3: and I worked there for ten years. I was hired
Speaker 3: by now United States Center Claire mccaskell. She was the
Speaker 3: county prosecutor at that time, and in my stent over
Speaker 3: a decade, we had several prosecutors come and go. I
Speaker 3: had the opportunity to try so many jury trials have
Speaker 3: such a great impact on the community. One of the
Speaker 3: job opportunities I had was to supervise the Neighborhood Prosecution Unit,
Speaker 3: where we worked with the police department out in the community,
Speaker 3: and I just loved it. I loved being in court
Speaker 3: and being the last offense from someone that viciously violently
Speaker 3: killed someone, whether they go to prison or go free.
Speaker 3: And I loved that opportunit so as I did that.
Speaker 3: You know, when you're in the prosecution business at dinner
Speaker 3: parties of social events, so I think people would like
Speaker 3: to ask you what type of cases you're working on,
Speaker 3: what's going on with that? And I in my book
Speaker 3: I put in the four or book. I also would
Speaker 3: have dinner with my grandmother every Tuesday night. I mean
Speaker 3: I was a poor government worker, and she would make
Speaker 3: me a hot, home cooked meal so I wouldn't miss it.
Speaker 3: And every Tuesday night I would sit with my grandmother
Speaker 3: and she would We would talk about all sorts of things,
Speaker 3: but it would always get around to what cases are
Speaker 3: you working on? And I would tell her, here's what's
Speaker 3: going on, here's this case. And she loved to hear
Speaker 3: because people love hearing true crime stories. But I also
Speaker 3: I love talking to her about because I got feedback
Speaker 3: from her, which is what the average person of what
Speaker 3: would be one of my jurors would say to me.
Speaker 3: They'd ask me questions you know that I didn't think about,
Speaker 3: because you get in to the owns and the dirt
Speaker 3: of trying this case, legality and this Supreme Court case
Speaker 3: and this and that, and you forget sometimes as a
Speaker 3: young prosecutor, it's the theater of the courtroom. And these
Speaker 3: jurors are twelve people from the community. They don't know
Speaker 3: the law, but they're watching everything that happens. And so
Speaker 3: as I would tell these stories to my grandmother, she'd
Speaker 3: asked me questions, and I would think, you know, I
Speaker 3: didn't think about that, but I'll actually one of these
Speaker 3: twelve jurors were, and I would make sure I took
Speaker 3: that into the courtroom with me and made sure I
Speaker 3: used that common sense and relating to jurors. So that's
Speaker 3: what kind of got me. After I left the prosecutor's
Speaker 3: office and went into private practice, I would still hear
Speaker 3: about stories and see what people had asked me, what
Speaker 3: was your most interesting story? And so I sat down
Speaker 3: and I had ordered the files of some of the
Speaker 3: most unique cases that I had, and I didn't have
Speaker 3: some of the most high profile cases here in Kansas City.
Speaker 3: If your prosecutor, people will say did you did you
Speaker 3: do the Boberdella case and some of the high profile cases,
Speaker 3: And I didn't have those, but I had some very
Speaker 3: unique ones that are great stories, I guess, for lack
Speaker 3: of a better phrase to compare them or explain them.
Speaker 3: And I thought, you know, I'm gonna put these down
Speaker 3: in writing and I'm gonna tell these stories. And so
Speaker 3: I sat down, and that's what got me to the
Speaker 3: point of putting this book together.
Speaker 6: Now, before we get into this first story, when we
Speaker 6: talk about gang rivalry and some very very very bad
Speaker 6: decisions and robbery gone very very bad. And Dennis Moore
Speaker 6: just tell us a little bit, just set up the
Speaker 6: where this occurs in Jackson County. Just tell us a
Speaker 6: little bit about Jackson County and the kind of neighborhood
Speaker 6: where in mid ninety nineteen ninety five something like this
Speaker 6: could happen.
Speaker 3: Well, Kansas City, Missouri. It's a city of more than
Speaker 3: four and seventy thousand people and it's the thirty seventh
Speaker 3: largest city by population in the nation. The city itself,
Speaker 3: it's some nationwide popularity of talking about the Kantee Royals
Speaker 3: and the can See Chiefs, and we're right on the
Speaker 3: Kansas line, so we have a very big, natural wide population.
Speaker 3: But the Kansas City area where most of my crimes occur,
Speaker 3: is more of the inner city, and the inner city
Speaker 3: has a lot of problems. And throughout my book, I
Speaker 3: had a university professor that is actually having people read
Speaker 3: my book and it's not for the crime part, for
Speaker 3: the sociology because he's found that every one of my
Speaker 3: stories talks about how drugs lead good people to make
Speaker 3: bad decisions, how parenting and the lack of parenting leads
Speaker 3: people to make bad decisions, and so most of these
Speaker 3: all these stories are kind of, I guess, a microcosm
Speaker 3: of what's going on in the inner cities in our
Speaker 3: entire country. And all these people that have got involved
Speaker 3: have decided that crime is better than getting a job,
Speaker 3: that drugs making more money than going to work, and
Speaker 3: the violence is the answer to solving problems. So that's
Speaker 3: where the common weave throughout this book is. And the
Speaker 3: first case you're talking about is about the gang rivalry
Speaker 3: and how people make urble decisions based on violence when
Speaker 3: you're talking about selling drugs.
Speaker 6: So let's introduce to characters in this story. As Dennis
Speaker 6: Moore is twenty four years old, and you introduce him
Speaker 6: as a guy that wears red clothing and a flashy car,
Speaker 6: a custom nineteen seventy one in palate convertible. He has
Speaker 6: gang ties, but not but he's not the only guy
Speaker 6: that does. And you always say that again, you say
Speaker 6: gang retaliation is an endless cycle. And he meets this
Speaker 6: Johnny Chapel, So he's nineteen years old. So introduce these
Speaker 6: two characters and how they meet even though they're not
Speaker 6: really on the same side. Gang wise how this works,
Speaker 6: because this is important to.
Speaker 3: The story exactly. So, Dennis Moore was more of an entrepreneur,
Speaker 3: if you can say a drug dealer as an entrepreneur
Speaker 3: that he was a gang member. He realized early in
Speaker 3: his drug dealing career that it shouldn't matter to him
Speaker 3: who he sold drugs to. In the neighborhood he lived,
Speaker 3: it was definitely two rival gangs. If you wore the
Speaker 3: wrong color, you weren't get shot at. Dennis Moore didn't
Speaker 3: think about that. He was flashy. He had his car
Speaker 3: all tricked out with everything. It's convertible, and when he
Speaker 3: showed up in the neighborhood, it's like the ice cream
Speaker 3: man was coming. And everyone knew Dennis Moore and everyone
Speaker 3: knew what he's up to. And if you needed any drugs,
Speaker 3: Dennis Moore was the guy to get it. And he
Speaker 3: would drive around the neighborhood of a several block area
Speaker 3: in Kansas City and he was well known. Well. He
Speaker 3: met a younger guy, Johnny Chappel, And you know, as
Speaker 3: the drug dealing goes, sometimes you're sitting around doing nothing,
Speaker 3: you're getting ready to get in trouble or getting ready
Speaker 3: to sell some drugs or getting ready to run away
Speaker 3: from the police. So Johnny Chappell and Dennis Moore started
Speaker 3: a relationship with friendship. They'd hang out together, they would
Speaker 3: go drinking together, they'd go drive around and talk to
Speaker 3: girls together, They'd do drugs together. And even though Dennis
Speaker 3: Moore essentially was from the other side of the gang
Speaker 3: than Johnny Chappell, they started kind of relationship and they
Speaker 3: started hanging out together, and which was fine. Dennis Moore
Speaker 3: made money, Johnny Chappell got cheaper drugs. But when it
Speaker 3: came to the other members of Johnny Chapel's gang, there
Speaker 3: were other guys that did not like that Johnny Chappell
Speaker 3: was hanging around with Dennis Moore.
Speaker 6: Now, as a result, you introduced a few more characters.
Speaker 6: In one night in September, these guys are with Mark
Speaker 6: Powell with his roommate Matthew Gully, and then their friend
Speaker 6: Wilson and Amy Chapel and Miller, and the conversation of
Speaker 6: Dennis Moore comes up as you say that people are
Speaker 6: having a problem. So what's this conversation like and what
Speaker 6: is the connection with or the problem with Miller and Chapel.
Speaker 3: Well, Calvin Miller was without a death and most violent
Speaker 3: gang member inside the circle that Johnny Chapel hung out with,
Speaker 3: and Johnny Chappell had his brother, Ronald Chapel. They were
Speaker 3: hanging around with him, Trevor Wilson and Mark Powell and
Speaker 3: Matthew Gollie. So I'm throwing a lot of names out
Speaker 3: at you, but just basically understand that there's a bunch
Speaker 3: of guys that are in a gang. And Calvin Miller
Speaker 3: did not like the fact that Johnny Chappell was hanging
Speaker 3: around with Dennis More And one time they were over
Speaker 3: at someone's house, hanging out in the alley. They were
Speaker 3: smoking to PCP, they were drinking all day. And Calvin Miller,
Speaker 3: who was a violent guy, was also a guy that
Speaker 3: didn't miss an opportunity to rob someone and steal someone
Speaker 3: and make some money. And he started chiding Johnny Chappell
Speaker 3: about hanging out with Dennis Moore. Why would you do that,
Speaker 3: He's not part of our gang. Johnny said, he's my friend.
Speaker 3: Don't give me such a hard time about it. And
Speaker 3: Calvin Miller said, oh, I'm going to, and unprovoked grabbed
Speaker 3: Johnny by the throat and put bullet a gun against
Speaker 3: his head and said, here's what you're gonna do, or
Speaker 3: I'm gonna shoot you. Now, everybody else in the gang,
Speaker 3: they're all buddies. They all grow up together, their buddies,
Speaker 3: and that no one wanted to cross Calvin Miller. Calvin
Speaker 3: had a story. We never really found out an investigation
Speaker 3: that he had murdered anyone except the charge he got
Speaker 3: charged with. But he was known to be a violent guy,
Speaker 3: and he was known to have possibly had some homicide
Speaker 3: that nothing was ever proved, so bad reason to be
Speaker 3: intimidated and afraid and hesitant to cross Calvin Millman. So
Speaker 3: even his brother, Johnny Tavil's brother did not intervene when
Speaker 3: this happened. But as John as Calvin Miller put his
Speaker 3: gun to Johnny Chapel's head, he said, well, if that's
Speaker 3: the way you feel, you're gonna show us and we're
Speaker 3: gonna go rob Dennis Moore, and you're gonna help us
Speaker 3: do that, or I'm gonna kill you. And people in
Speaker 3: regular society throw around the world, I'll kill you, I'll
Speaker 3: kill you, and it doesn't really mean anything. If Calvin
Speaker 3: Miller told you on the streets of Kansasity Missouri that
Speaker 3: he was gonna kill you. You should take it seriously.
Speaker 6: Now you talk about Dennis Moore. Back to Dennis Moore,
Speaker 6: and he has a girlfriend named Natasha Morgan. So tell
Speaker 6: me tell us a little bit about Natasha Morgan and
Speaker 6: her baby before we move on.
Speaker 3: To what happens Natasha Morgan. In Kansas City, Missouri, we
Speaker 3: have a lot of suburbs and we have Independence Lease Summit,
Speaker 3: Blue Springs, and one of the suburbs is Blue Springs, Missouri.
Speaker 3: It's a nice town and majority of white population. The
Speaker 3: violent crime rate is not as high as the inner
Speaker 3: city of Kansas City. And Natasha was from Blue Springs.
Speaker 3: And at some point in Natasha's life, she made some
Speaker 3: bad decisions and started doing drugs and started running with
Speaker 3: the wrong crowd and ended up in a drug house
Speaker 3: somewhere where she met Dennis Moore. And when she met
Speaker 3: Dennis Moore, she already had a two year old child
Speaker 3: that she had from another man. And the story that
Speaker 3: Natasha had gone through is her parents had helped her
Speaker 3: and begged her to move back home with them to
Speaker 3: help get her out of the drug culture, and she
Speaker 3: didn't do it, and her parents were just so frustrated.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they just had to throw their hands up. Didn't
Speaker 3: know what to do with Natasha. So Natasha met Dennis Moore.
Speaker 3: And if you're a single mother, you have a young child,
Speaker 3: you don't have a job. And here comes Dennis Moore.
Speaker 3: He's flashy, he's got a huge wads of cash, he's
Speaker 3: driving this great car. He's maybe someone that you want
Speaker 3: to send him time with. And that Natasha did, and
Speaker 3: Natasha and her son JD moved in with Dennis Moore
Speaker 3: and became Indiana Avenue. And the house on India Avenue
Speaker 3: in the Indiana Avenue was Dennis Moore's drug selling operation too.
Speaker 3: When he wasn't in the mobile convertible drug selling car,
Speaker 3: he would have a kind of a sign to people
Speaker 3: if you're if he was open for any drugs, his
Speaker 3: nightlight or his porch light would be on. So Natasha
Speaker 3: moved in with Dennis. And this house that we talk
Speaker 3: about is not a nice house. It's furnished very well
Speaker 3: with a couch and a stereo and a TV. Other
Speaker 3: than that, it's deteriorated. It's got holes in the walls,
Speaker 3: it's got trash everywhere else. And Natasha was raising her
Speaker 3: son JD in that house. She was a dedicated mother
Speaker 3: on all accounts. She loved her son, She wanted to
Speaker 3: do better for her son, and she was in a
Speaker 3: situation that she found herself she couldn't get out of
Speaker 3: and was working her way towards getting out of it.
Speaker 3: It was a temporary thing, what she told everyone to be.
Speaker 3: Living with Dennis Moore. She didn't want her son around
Speaker 3: drug deals because when she was home and JD was there,
Speaker 3: people would come to the house and buy drugs, and
Speaker 3: the people buying drugs are not of the best caliber
Speaker 3: people you want around your two year old. So Dennis
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Speaker 6: Now. We talked about the guys hatching a plan because
Speaker 6: basically Chapel is threatened that he has been interacting with
Speaker 6: Moore and that's not going to work. So they have
Speaker 6: this plan of with Miller that they're going to rob them.
Speaker 6: So what does the plan consist of? Initially before we
Speaker 6: talk about what actually happens, Well.
Speaker 3: Calvin Miller has always proved himself to have big ideas
Speaker 3: and terrible on deciding what the consequences of those ideas
Speaker 3: or those plans are, but he thought it was simple.
Speaker 3: Johnny Chapel would get them in to his friend Dennis
Speaker 3: Moore and they would rob him. Calvin liked the plan.
Speaker 3: This as a military operation. There was all these guys
Speaker 3: and they'd go over there. They'd take separate cars. Everyone
Speaker 3: would have a gun, everyone would have a stocking cap on.
Speaker 3: They'd open the door, they put the gun there. They said,
Speaker 3: Dennis Moore, give us your money, give us a drug.
Speaker 3: And they'd be gone at fifteen minutes. So Calvin Miller
Speaker 3: have that gun upside Johnny Chapel's head and said, we're
Speaker 3: all gonna be back here in a couple hours, and
Speaker 3: this is what we're doing. Everybody better be back here.
Speaker 3: And as they left, Calvin Miller pointed his gun across
Speaker 3: everyone said right everybody, And everyone said right now. Who
Speaker 3: knows which one of these guys were okay with the
Speaker 3: idea or which one of the guys we're concerned about
Speaker 3: Calvin Miller hunting them down later if they didn't show up.
Speaker 3: But then later at as it got dark, they got
Speaker 3: back together, started drinking, doing some more drugs as it
Speaker 3: got later than night. Then they decided to begin.
Speaker 6: The plan, so tell us about the execution of the plan.
Speaker 3: So it's dark, it's late, and they get into two cars,
Speaker 3: all six of them, and they drive over to Dennis
Speaker 3: Moore's house. They pull up, try and get out as
Speaker 3: quiet as they can, and Calvin's playing was simple, and
Speaker 3: they knew Dennis Moore wouldn't just open the door for anyone,
Speaker 3: but surely they'd open it up for his buddy Johnny Chappell.
Speaker 3: And when they pulled up, the light was off, so
Speaker 3: they knew he wasn't open for business. And at this
Speaker 3: time Dennis Moore was inside his house and he was
Speaker 3: done for the night. He turned the light off, which meant,
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Speaker 3: sat down with his feet up and started watching TV.
Speaker 3: Natasha sat on the couch with her and JD was
Speaker 3: playing on the floor. So the guys all got out
Speaker 3: went up to the door. Johnny was the first one
Speaker 3: up the steps and everyone else kind of stood around
Speaker 3: the outside of the door. So Dennis Moore heard her
Speaker 3: knocking the door, and he knew that no one was
Speaker 3: there to sell drugs, so he wasn't in a hurry
Speaker 3: to get out. He was also working and ecuperating from
Speaker 3: a gunshot wound that he had on his leg, that
Speaker 3: he had gotten a drive by shooting, that they had
Speaker 3: shot at someone else and he had got shot. So
Speaker 3: he heard the knock on the door. He wasn't thinking
Speaker 3: it was anything big, just he wasn't any hurry to
Speaker 3: answer the work so excuse the first he had confirmed
Speaker 3: the knocks, but then the thumping kept going, so barefoot
Speaker 3: and being annoyed, Dennis got himself up and out of
Speaker 3: the chair. In the dark, he groggily limped his way
Speaker 3: to the front door. So as he walked he looked out.
Speaker 3: He couldn't see anything, and then he hit the porch light.
Speaker 3: And as he slipped on the porch light and peered
Speaker 3: through the people, he noticed that there was someone out there,
Speaker 3: and he was surprised to see his friend Johnny on
Speaker 3: the opposite side of the door. So Dennis Moore quickly
Speaker 3: turned the light on outside and he unlocked the first
Speaker 3: of the three dead bolts, then the second, and then
Speaker 3: the third because this is a familiar face. He saw
Speaker 3: his friend Johnny, and little did he know that the
Speaker 3: rest of the group was outside preparing themselves for an
Speaker 3: ambush on Dennis Moore. So the thing was that it
Speaker 3: wasn't like Dennis Moore to do that, I mean, very uncharacteristic.
Speaker 3: He excelled at the craft of selling drugs and staying
Speaker 3: alive and not getting rotten. So it's maybe he was
Speaker 3: tired that night, maybe that he didn't think it was
Speaker 3: anyone that was wanting to buy drugs, or maybe it
Speaker 3: was just the wrong move. But he opened the door
Speaker 3: and he smiled at his friend john But Johnny then
Speaker 3: immediately stepped aside, and as Calvin's plan was, the door
Speaker 3: was open and all the guys rushed in the room.
Speaker 6: So who takes over in terms of control of this situation?
Speaker 6: What does Dennis Moore believe is going on? And what
Speaker 6: is Natasha the action that she has his two year
Speaker 6: old named Jad. What happens and who takes control of
Speaker 6: the situation? And what is he told is happening?
Speaker 3: Well, the door's open, the men come in like a
Speaker 3: swat team. They're armed, they're all yelling get down, get down,
Speaker 3: get down, And with his twenty gage shotgun in his
Speaker 3: hand extended, Calvin Miller takes the league and puts the
Speaker 3: shotgun against Moore. And backs him into a kitchen. Within
Speaker 3: seconds of entering that residence, Calvin had taken control of
Speaker 3: everyone in there and gotten atash on the ground and
Speaker 3: had his shotgun against Dennis Moore. So he pushes Dennis
Speaker 3: against the kitchen sink. There's God is the Dennis is
Speaker 3: against the ledge of the kitchen sink in the kitchen,
Speaker 3: and Calvin starts showing his true violence. He pushes the
Speaker 3: nose of the shotgun right into Dennis Moore's forehead. As
Speaker 3: he's getting Dennis Moore under control, all the rest of
Speaker 3: the guys scattered to the corners of the room and
Speaker 3: watched and waited for Calvin's orders. Now, when they went
Speaker 3: in there, Dennis Moore was watching TV and he had
Speaker 3: this great bowe system that was really loud, so the
Speaker 3: TV was really loud at that time. But instead of
Speaker 3: turning the volume down, someone just smashed the TV so
Speaker 3: it would break and there was no sound in the house.
Speaker 3: And Johnny Schapple was the last person to come in.
Speaker 3: He had knocked on the door. Then the smiling face
Speaker 3: everyone else rushed in and he was the last one
Speaker 3: to come in, and he finally came in and shut
Speaker 3: the door behind him. So Dennis Moore has a gun
Speaker 3: glued to his forehead. But Dennis Moore is pissed off
Speaker 3: tot these mask guys that entered his house and he
Speaker 3: wasn't having in his gun to his head. Business he
Speaker 3: caught his breath for being scared, and now was in
Speaker 3: survival mode. Dennis then makes a quick sweep move with
Speaker 3: his arm and knocks the shotgun from Calvin's grip, and
Speaker 3: the shotgun actually flew out of Calvin's hand and slid
Speaker 3: across the floor, and Dennis Moore charged him, and for
Speaker 3: that foot second, Dennis Moore was back in control and
Speaker 3: gove across the kitchen floor toward the shotgun. And now
Speaker 3: they're fighting for the shotgun. But you know, he had
Speaker 3: that bullet loom and his foot in his leg, so
Speaker 3: it made him slower, and Calvin got a shotgun first,
Speaker 3: and so then Calvin's mad. So this is almost two
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning as this is unfolding. Natasha has
Speaker 3: been screaming until someone had finally put a gun in
Speaker 3: her face and told her to shut up. Jd is
Speaker 3: a two year old boy and he's dressed in a
Speaker 3: cowboy pajamas and he doesn't know what's going on. One
Speaker 3: of the guys said earlier is that he didn't even
Speaker 3: seem pay So I don't know what kind of commentary
Speaker 3: that is on what JD got to see in his
Speaker 3: young life. But he wasn't mad or scared, he just
Speaker 3: seemed not sure what was happening. So everyone is now
Speaker 3: trying to secure the area, and the next thing we're
Speaker 3: we're gonna do is talk about doing this sport where
Speaker 3: the gun is. And as this is going on, JD
Speaker 3: gets up and goes over Johnny chap over and hands
Speaker 3: Johnny one of his plastic soldier toys. And when this
Speaker 3: violence is going on in this room, this little boy
Speaker 3: is just wanting to play with someone. And he tugged
Speaker 3: at Johnny Tapple's leg as if to play, and Johnny
Speaker 3: puts him, scoots him aside and says, no, step aside,
Speaker 3: We're not going to play. These are the adults in
Speaker 3: JD's life are supposed to be protecting him, and they
Speaker 3: just disregarded his tender age with their lifestyle to be
Speaker 3: able to put in this situation. So Natasha, she's in
Speaker 3: fear for her own life and for JD's life. Is
Speaker 3: now JD starts crying because no one's going to play
Speaker 3: with him. He doesn't know what's going on. So a
Speaker 3: couple of men focused on Tasha and talk to her.
Speaker 3: While in the kitchen, Salvin has Mark Kile's AK forty
Speaker 3: seven pointing Natasha, and he has his shotgun pointed at
Speaker 3: Dennis Moore. Now Natasha's normal pride build attitude kicked into
Speaker 3: full gear and she temporarily refused to give into the
Speaker 3: scare tactics. She turned towards the gunman and tried to
Speaker 3: use her son as a bargaining tool and say, please,
Speaker 3: don't hurt my son, let him leave, let me get
Speaker 3: out of here, or let him get out of here
Speaker 3: and take me, which none of the guys cared about
Speaker 3: that at all. So in the meantime, Calvin Miller says, okay, guys,
Speaker 3: let's find the drugs, and he dispatches two of the
Speaker 3: guys downstairs to the garage of the guys who go
Speaker 3: through all the doors, and he turns around to confront
Speaker 3: Dennis Moore at that time.
Speaker 6: Now, what is Dennis Moore? What's this? Where is Natasha
Speaker 6: in relation to Dennis Moore at some point and what
Speaker 6: does he do in relation in response to them demanding
Speaker 6: money in drugs. What's the real situation or what is
Speaker 6: the situation? He tells him about what they're looking for
Speaker 6: and the prospect of that.
Speaker 3: So Dennis says, I don't have any money, and Calvin
Speaker 3: didn't believe him, and Calvin barks at the other men
Speaker 3: to start looking for money all over the place. Dennis says,
Speaker 3: I get a shipment once a week. I'm done with it.
Speaker 3: It was a holiday weekend. I've sold everything and I
Speaker 3: don't have any more money. I've got nothing here, and
Speaker 3: Calvin did not believe him at all. So everyone then
Speaker 3: dispatched across the house to start looking at everything. Matthew
Speaker 3: goli and Royal Chappell went in search of the drugs
Speaker 3: and looked for the car because then they thought, well,
Speaker 3: we'll steal the car too, that's going to be worth
Speaker 3: the money. And so as everyone went off to look
Speaker 3: for other stuff, Calvin had Dennis Moore the kitchen. Now
Speaker 3: Calvin's mad because Dennis Moore kicked the gun out of
Speaker 3: his hand. Calvin's mad because there's no money. So Calvin's
Speaker 3: are gaining control of the situation, and out of nowhere,
Speaker 3: he takes the butt into the gun and pummels Dennis
Speaker 3: Moore in the forehead. It knocks Dennis More to the ground,
Speaker 3: and now Calvin had complete control over him. Moore fell
Speaker 3: to his knees and in one quick move, Calvin repositions
Speaker 3: his gun in his left hand, grabbed the neck of
Speaker 3: Dennis Moore's long sleeved shirt and dragged him into the
Speaker 3: same room where Powell kept Natasha. So now he's taken
Speaker 3: Jennis Moore from the kitchen back into the family room
Speaker 3: living area where Mark Powell has Natasha, and Mark Powell
Speaker 3: has his AK forty seven on Natasha. Now for the
Speaker 3: same time, Calvin stepped, stepping over Dennis More and straddling
Speaker 3: him and says, where is the money? And he points
Speaker 3: the barrel of his twenty gage right in Dennis Moore's face.
Speaker 3: More this distinctly covers his face and turns away from
Speaker 3: the gun and turned his face away, and he's screaming,
Speaker 3: I have no money. I have no money. If I
Speaker 3: have money, i'd give you money. I have no money.
Speaker 3: I say what I can do. I can call someone,
Speaker 3: I can get some money over here, but I don't
Speaker 3: have any money. Well, Calvin wasn't satisfied with that, and
Speaker 3: he also now realized that none of his crew had
Speaker 3: found any cash anywhere. So while Dennis Moore's lining face
Speaker 3: up between his legs, Calvin seemed to become conscious of
Speaker 3: his own ability to be violent, and he thought, wait,
Speaker 3: I I do not shoot Dennis Moore yet until he
Speaker 3: gets some cash over here. So Calvin then lilt his
Speaker 3: side twelve foot under Moore's shirt and ordered him to
Speaker 3: take off his clothes, stook back and allowed Dennis Moore
Speaker 3: the room he needed to take his jeans and shirt off.
Speaker 3: As Dennis Moore took off his clothes, Calvin searched the
Speaker 3: clothes for drugs or money and found the car keys.
Speaker 3: Other than that, he came up empty. Galvin then tied
Speaker 3: Dennis Moore's feet together with a shirt, and he ripped
Speaker 3: off an extension cord from the wall and tied his
Speaker 3: hands up. But he's kind of in a weird way
Speaker 3: that was uncomforably behind his head with one hand up
Speaker 3: behind his head, and then he rolled up Calvin Moore
Speaker 3: on the stomach. And Calvin never believed that Dennis Moore
Speaker 3: when he kept saying he had no drugs or money,
Speaker 3: and he was certain he had some sort of stash
Speaker 3: inside the house and was confident he was going to
Speaker 3: find it with all of his health, of his buddies
Speaker 3: and making Dennis Moore help him. So, regardless of Moore's please,
Speaker 3: Calvin was not gonna let him not give him the drugs.
Speaker 3: And remember all these guys that smoked a lot of
Speaker 3: marijuana that day and lace with PCP, so nobody's in
Speaker 3: their right mind. Ronald Chapel, Matthew Gollie, they're downstairs and
Speaker 3: they're looking at the car and trying to get in
Speaker 3: the car at this time, and Calvin and is and
Speaker 3: that's what Dennis Moore, and so is pal and Natasha Morgan.
Speaker 3: Trevor Wilson is there. He's a gang member with the
Speaker 3: history of violence. But even though he was a bad guy,
Speaker 3: he's looking at Calvin Miller and saying, wow, Calvin Miller
Speaker 3: has gone too far. We thought we were just gonna
Speaker 3: rob this guy. And this is really getting out of hand.
Speaker 3: At some point, all the guys take off there and
Speaker 3: Dana's and this time Danis Moore knows, yeah, this is
Speaker 3: it for me. Now I get to see who they are.
Speaker 3: I'm not getting out of this alive.
Speaker 6: What are they doing with you say that Powell made
Speaker 6: Natasha take off her clothes too, So how does this accelerate,
Speaker 6: how do they justify or how's it come to be
Speaker 6: that she's about to be sexually assaulted.
Speaker 3: So Natasha's got her mother barry instinct sticking in and
Speaker 3: she's tied up and they've made her take her clothes up.
Speaker 3: But she decided then and there she was going to
Speaker 3: free herself to rescue her child. And as she tried,
Speaker 3: she's getting beat back down and she is living on
Speaker 3: pure survival for her child. What she knows and what
Speaker 3: Dennison More nos is that he kept a nine millionaire
Speaker 3: luger tucked in his favorite chair, and she thinks that
Speaker 3: she needs to make the move towards that. And as
Speaker 3: she does and has, Dennis tries to make his way,
Speaker 3: crawling towards it. Alvin finds it and he grabs it,
Speaker 3: and he shoots an evil smile at Dennis more as
Speaker 3: if to say, too bad, I just found your last
Speaker 3: chance to live. He tucked the gun in his wallet
Speaker 3: or in his waistband and gave him that terrible smile
Speaker 3: that would be one of the last things he ever saw.
Speaker 3: Now at the same time, Natasha was on the couch
Speaker 3: and she kicked in play of the legs as they
Speaker 3: were trying to take her clothes off. But they took
Speaker 3: all of her clothes off turn Wilson, passing his hands
Speaker 3: around her ankles and propped her legs on the table.
Speaker 3: Wilson kept a tight grip on Natasha just as Pal obstructed,
Speaker 3: they locked her in exposed legs in a fixed spread position.
Speaker 3: Now here's where this immoral objectives become clear to her,
Speaker 3: and her worst nightmare became a reality, and she shivered
Speaker 3: and she cried as Powell placed her rose tattoo on
Speaker 3: her naked right shoulder with his rough fingers and then
Speaker 3: grabbed her arm around the back of her neck and
Speaker 3: ran the gun his AK forty seven, between her and
Speaker 3: down her stomach. And before he could touch anything else,
Speaker 3: Natasha realized she had nothing to lose and fought hard
Speaker 3: against the man about to rape her. And that's when
Speaker 3: she reached up and using everything she had, grabbed Pal's
Speaker 3: face with her hand and dug her nails deep into
Speaker 3: the skin, creates some long open wounds, gushed blood immediately,
Speaker 3: and her active bravery in the spaces intending death only
Speaker 3: tests off foul and increase his aggressive touching and mauling
Speaker 3: of her, and not to go into too much detail,
Speaker 3: he uses AK forty seven to rape Natasha. At the
Speaker 3: same time this is going on, Calvin is still talking
Speaker 3: to Dennis Moore, and Dennis Moore says, well, I tell
Speaker 3: you what, I can call my brother and my brother
Speaker 3: can bring over some money. My brother can bring over
Speaker 3: some drugs. All you gotta do is let me have
Speaker 3: the phone and I'll call him. So takes the phone
Speaker 3: call and Calvin holds the phone as someone else answers,
Speaker 3: and instead of saying what Calvin want him to say,
Speaker 3: Dennis was supposed to say, bring some money over there,
Speaker 3: he starts talking in some sort of code, and Calvin
Speaker 3: knows that he'd been had and that Dennis Moore had
Speaker 3: called his brother but had not asked him to come over,
Speaker 3: but it also had but actually had told him what
Speaker 3: was going on, and they had some sort of secret code.
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Speaker 6: When we last left off, we're just speaking with or
Speaker 6: talking about Dennis Moore. Supposingly to call his brother to
Speaker 6: get some money for these desperate gang members about to
Speaker 6: rape his girlfriend and terrorizes her son, and he knows
Speaker 6: this is life and death. He gives a code to
Speaker 6: his brother rather than what he's supposed to do instructed
Speaker 6: by these gang members. What happens next for Dennis Moore?
Speaker 3: So Calvin's infuriated that Dennis Moore was trying to trick
Speaker 3: him and that Dennis had disobeyed his orders. So Calvin's
Speaker 3: rage and his violent temper and his empty soul actually
Speaker 3: took over. He shoved the shotgun into the back of
Speaker 3: Dennis Moore's head, and there didn't seem to be any hesitation.
Speaker 3: As the shotgun was inches from Moore's head and Calvin
Speaker 3: pulled the trigger. The sound in his small room was deafening,
Speaker 3: and the power behind the blast of the shotgun caused
Speaker 3: Dennis Moore's body to flip awkwardly from the face down
Speaker 3: position to face up and Calvin evil. Calvin was amused
Speaker 3: and laughed, and Calvin was of course sure Dennis Moore
Speaker 3: was dead, but the blow in the back of the
Speaker 3: head did not kill him, and Dennismore was still alive.
Speaker 3: Dennis Moore's nightmare wasn't over little breathing. However, the blast
Speaker 3: that Calvin directed towards the back, and Moore said it
Speaker 3: had actually been taken by Moore's hands because his hand
Speaker 3: and was tied weirdly, was in front of his head
Speaker 3: and so the awkward wave tied his hands had suffered
Speaker 3: most of the blow from the gunshot, so it was
Speaker 3: meant for his head. So at this point Johnny Chappell
Speaker 3: hits standing guard. Calvin has shot Dennis, and Calvin is laughing.
Speaker 3: He's enjoying. He's laughing about the fact that his body
Speaker 3: slipped over and he didn't notice that Denismore was still alive.
Speaker 3: And finally Ronald Chapel said to Calvin, hey man, big
Speaker 3: boy's still breathing, and Calvin, if I will, I'll be Dan,
Speaker 3: and he pulled the shotgun directly Densmore, still beating hard,
Speaker 3: and fired again. Blood splattered across the room, sprayed them.
Speaker 3: Both Ronald and the other guys are startled at the sound.
Speaker 3: They doesn't think this is supposed to be a murder.
Speaker 3: After committed this brutal murder, Calvin then moves towards the
Speaker 3: sofa to join Natasha and Mark Powell. Natasha doesn't know
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen. She of course thinks she's next, but
Speaker 3: something happens, and Calvin and uh Powell tell her, okay,
Speaker 3: go ahead, put your clothes on and go into the
Speaker 3: back room. So Natasha now gets dressed, he's fully clothed,
Speaker 3: and she stumbles out of the hall towards her son,
Speaker 3: who was in the back bedroom. She opened the back
Speaker 3: bedroom door and Jad ran to her arms. She grabbed
Speaker 3: her and sat on the battress that was on the
Speaker 3: bedroom floor and thought maybe she was gonna be okay.
Speaker 3: She was of course very distraught by then. This is murder,
Speaker 3: but she thinks that maybe her and her son might
Speaker 3: still be alive. So she turned around and came face
Speaker 3: to face with the two men that have now followed
Speaker 3: her into the bedroom. Their guns are drawn. They backed
Speaker 3: her towards the bed, and as the back of her
Speaker 3: legs met the massa, she fell down. She swung her
Speaker 3: legs over with the one available hand and showed it
Speaker 3: herself and a baby closer to her head. And Ronald
Speaker 3: and Calvin came in and they said, we are going
Speaker 3: to leave you here if you won't tell anybody what
Speaker 3: we did, and the usually wered of cold blood to
Speaker 3: kill her a lot, and it's rarely understood that this
Speaker 3: is one time that it was crystal clear. Calvin threw
Speaker 3: Natasha to the un her stomach and ordered Pile to
Speaker 3: put a pillow over the back of her head, and
Speaker 3: he told her to count to one hundred before she
Speaker 3: got up, so they had time to leave. He also said,
Speaker 3: don't tell the police who we were, so Natasha muffled
Speaker 3: out an agreement, with her face in the mat and
Speaker 3: the pill over the back of her head. But instead
Speaker 3: of even Calvin placed the shotgun against that pillar. Calvin
Speaker 3: smirked a pale and pulled the trigger. He fired that
Speaker 3: shotgun into the pill into Natasha's head. The blast was
Speaker 3: even louder than the smaller, better than it was with
Speaker 3: Dennis Moore. But unlike her boyfriend's hands, the pillow that
Speaker 3: covered Natasha's head didn't spare her life, and she was
Speaker 3: dead as soon as the gun went off. He killed
Speaker 3: her with even more detached emotional detachment than when he
Speaker 3: shot her boyfriend. His shotgun blast scares JT JD so
Speaker 3: much he doesn't know what's going and he jumped onto
Speaker 3: his mother and it's crying hysterically, and we never really
Speaker 3: forgot the record of whose idea was that. Somehow the
Speaker 3: men thought that maybe getting a little boy snack might
Speaker 3: help eased his emotions or watching his mother head be
Speaker 3: shot off. So he searched in the kitchen. They popped
Speaker 3: some popcorn for JD. And he sat in the kitchen
Speaker 3: eating popcorn, crying with his mother in the other room.
Speaker 3: And then they left. They took his car from downstairs.
Speaker 3: Then they left. As they left to speed up the story,
Speaker 3: as they leave, Dennis Moore's brother came in a rolling
Speaker 3: gunfight ensued. I was wrong. The stats at street of
Speaker 3: kansaity of Dennis Moore's brother tried to follow them, and
Speaker 3: when the police arrived, they found JD pulled up with
Speaker 3: his mother's body crying. And that's the end of the story.
Speaker 3: And that's where the police department got involved and could
Speaker 3: not find any leads for a year. They investigated for
Speaker 3: two years, for three years, for four years, for five years.
Speaker 3: Became a cold case. These guys had getten away and
Speaker 3: had gotten away with murder.
Speaker 6: Now you say it takes eleven years to bring people
Speaker 6: to justice, we don't have too much time we wanted
Speaker 6: to talk about another particular story about NT Ruthie, but
Speaker 6: suffice to say, if you could give us some of
Speaker 6: the highlights of what happened at the trial in terms
Speaker 6: of sorting out who did what and why and why
Speaker 6: does it take eleven years and tell us how you
Speaker 6: get involved and tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 3: Well, since after that happened, everyone went on to do
Speaker 3: whatever they did and there was no leads at all,
Speaker 3: No one could figure out who was involved in no
Speaker 3: one talked Caalvin Miller went on to commit another homicide
Speaker 3: and was in the penitentiary, and he got the nickname
Speaker 3: the Cheesy Rat, and Calvin was his great idea as
Speaker 3: he decided a great idea was called the Chapel Brothers
Speaker 3: and say, if you don't put some money on my
Speaker 3: books down in the prison, I'm going to tell the
Speaker 3: cops about what we did in Natasha Morgan Dennis Moore. Well,
Speaker 3: Chapel Brothers didn't do it. So Cheesy Rat called, I
Speaker 3: can't say misserve homicide unit. Sin said I have some
Speaker 3: information about a crime. Now he would have kept his
Speaker 3: mouth shut. No one ord have a norime. It got
Speaker 3: boarded over to the cold case squad and Cheesy Rat
Speaker 3: had some information that made some sense and only people
Speaker 3: that would be familiar to homicide would know. And one
Speaker 3: of the detectives got involved and made a phone call
Speaker 3: over and said, hey, here's what's going on when you
Speaker 3: think about this, and they decided. We talked about it,
Speaker 3: and he said it's worth a trip down in the sententiary.
Speaker 3: Went down there, talked to Cheesy Rat Calvin Miller, and
Speaker 3: he said, told everybody who everybody was. And the police
Speaker 3: department did another investigation. Talked to the Chapel brothers. Trevor
Speaker 3: Wilson this time was dead, talked to Matthew Bully and
Speaker 3: everyone was charged. Everyone pled guilty, made deals except for
Speaker 3: Mark Powell. And we had to try Mark Powell. As
Speaker 3: Mark Powell was on trial, we had had each of
Speaker 3: the defendants come in and testify to their part of
Speaker 3: the case. Now, no one wanted to admit that their
Speaker 3: larger role in it. But from everyone talk, Calvin Miller
Speaker 3: was de instigated. Calvin Miller was the one that pulled
Speaker 3: the trigger and everyone else got ten to twenty to
Speaker 3: fifteen years and Calvin Miller, who thought this is his
Speaker 3: way out of the penitentiary ended up getting another twenty
Speaker 3: year sentence on top of his already murder conviction he
Speaker 3: was doing there. The trial was just a real interesting drama,
Speaker 3: having these guys come in and testified with each other,
Speaker 3: and the defense traint tried to make some stific issues
Speaker 3: about whether it was nine o'clock or ten o'clock, or
Speaker 3: whether he had a blue hat on or a red hat.
Speaker 3: But in the end, after eleven years, justice was got
Speaker 3: served for Natasha and Dennis. Beside stories that JD was
Speaker 3: raised by his grandparents, his grandparents came to the trial.
Speaker 3: I haven't ever mentioned his name, and I won't do
Speaker 3: that to make sure that he stays anonymous in this
Speaker 3: Who knows how he's doing now, But at that time
Speaker 3: he was a thirteen year old, well adjusted boy, lived
Speaker 3: with grandma and grandpa. But he always had the memory
Speaker 3: of this case with him.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, absolutely the incredible case. And like you say, we
Speaker 6: didn't even delve into the trial. The trial is very
Speaker 6: interesting as well. Again, when you see do you think
Speaker 6: that maybe just it's just a slam dunk. It's just
Speaker 6: not that easy, and you have your hands filled with
Speaker 6: that trial, didn't you Exactly?
Speaker 3: And of course These people that want to murder and
Speaker 3: rob people aren't the most honest people on.
Speaker 6: The lid of dand no, no, it creates a lot
Speaker 6: of problems. Let's talk about probably the most incredible case here,
Speaker 6: one of them anyway, with Chester James, Katherine Brown, and
Speaker 6: Aunt Ruthie. So let's talk about first about Catherine Brown.
Speaker 6: And you say she was born in sixty one affluent
Speaker 6: Kansas City family which wound up in jail a young age.
Speaker 6: So tell us about a little bit about Katherine Brown
Speaker 6: before we introduce her again, Chester James.
Speaker 3: Cathyn Brown kind of a different same story as a
Speaker 3: Natasha was. She came from an affluent family and ended
Speaker 3: up doing drugs, and it's really the biggest violin out
Speaker 3: of control, becoming homeless, being involved in drugs and dependent
Speaker 3: on drugs and found herself out in the street. She
Speaker 3: was a child of the sixties. She was kind of
Speaker 3: a hippie child. She loved everyone and was friends with everyone,
Speaker 3: and so she started selling drugs and then she started
Speaker 3: selling her body to make in me. She found an
Speaker 3: abandoned house that she set up shopping and she met
Speaker 3: a guy named Kevin Tucker. And Kevin Tucker was worked
Speaker 3: at a factory, had a great job in Kansas City.
Speaker 3: Catherine was white, Kevin Tucker was black. But Kevin Tucker
Speaker 3: a great job and he hurt his back and he
Speaker 3: got painkills for his back and would help his pain.
Speaker 3: His insurance ran out, he couldn't afford it, so he
Speaker 3: started He's another drug and he got hooked on heroin
Speaker 3: and that's how he met Catherine. She was his heroin seller.
Speaker 3: So Kevin Tucker, who came from a great job doing
Speaker 3: nothing wrong, becomes dependent on drugs and becomes a drug dealer,
Speaker 3: a drug user. But he gets with Catherine and they
Speaker 3: become in a relationship and they're living in abandoned house
Speaker 3: that they've fixed up, and Catherine is selling drugs sometimes
Speaker 3: with Kevin. Maybe is a relationship. Not so sure. But
Speaker 3: there was one person and one customer that Catherine always
Speaker 3: worried about coming over and Kevin did also. And his
Speaker 3: name was Chester James.
Speaker 6: Now Chester James, you talk about his background and his
Speaker 6: philosophy and his feelings about race, So tell us about
Speaker 6: what Chester James eventually feels and believes in and is
Speaker 6: very outspoken about.
Speaker 3: Chester. He was born in the forties. He was an
Speaker 3: older guy, and he grew up as a criminal. They
Speaker 3: say career criminal. This guy was a career criminal. He
Speaker 3: had been out of the penitentiary several times. Chester was
Speaker 3: a member of the Aryan race. He was a big
Speaker 3: participator and organizer in the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City.
Speaker 3: There's no question that Chester did not like African Americans.
Speaker 3: And every time Chester went to the penitentiary, which we
Speaker 3: like to think sometimes is a rehabilitation for people, Chester
Speaker 3: became a worse criminal. In the sixties and civil rights movement,
Speaker 3: Chester was always picked up for violence against African Americans.
Speaker 3: The police department knew him well. When he went back
Speaker 3: to the senitentiary, he helped raise the membership of the KKK.
Speaker 3: He became joined with the Haryan Brotherhood, which is a
Speaker 3: notorious white suprentice gang, and he fit in very well
Speaker 3: and he rose to a level in there whereas he
Speaker 3: started off as no one. After his third or four
Speaker 3: times of penitentiary, he became very large of the anti
Speaker 3: black group movement and was very outspoken of how he
Speaker 3: felt that way. So he knew Catherine Brown. He called
Speaker 3: her Star or Cat, and he did not like that
Speaker 3: she was living with and had a relationship with a
Speaker 3: black guy.
Speaker 6: You explain though, that he believes that they are much
Speaker 6: more well. He believes the relationship is different than she
Speaker 6: believes the relationship is. There is a difference in how
Speaker 6: they look at things, right, without.
Speaker 3: A doubt, Chester seems to think there's some sort of
Speaker 3: relationship with Catherine, and Catherine just looked at her, looked
Speaker 3: at him as a customer. And again, Catherine would would
Speaker 3: be involved in prostitution also, but whether Chester took that
Speaker 3: as him being his girlfriend or not, Catherine certainly didn't
Speaker 3: feel that way at all.
Speaker 6: Now you talk about Chester getting in trouble. He's a
Speaker 6: career criminal, so of course he has a couple of
Speaker 6: stints in prison. He does a couple of years, and
Speaker 6: he's out in a halfway house and he meets a
Speaker 6: woman named Margaret Fowler who's an employee at the halfway house.
Speaker 6: And you'd say that she has a habit of getting
Speaker 6: a little too involved with people. So tell us about
Speaker 6: this Margaret Fowler and what Chester seasoned her and and
Speaker 6: what she sees in him.
Speaker 3: Chester sees an opportunity to manipulate her. Margaret Fowler worked
Speaker 3: in the halfway house for years and she had a
Speaker 3: Carrie knows the needing personality got her way too involved
Speaker 3: with the inmates. And maybe she's lonely or maybe she's
Speaker 3: trying to help, but she saw Chester, and Chester was
Speaker 3: the master manipulator. And Chester knew within days of meeting
Speaker 3: her that he could take advantage of Margaret Fowler, and
Speaker 3: he did and Margaret and Chester started a relationship with
Speaker 3: Margaret Fowler of asking her and having her do anything
Speaker 3: that he wanted her to do it. And Margaret was
Speaker 3: thankful to be with Chester for some silly reason. But
Speaker 3: Margaret would do anything. I mean, she was no beauty herself.
Speaker 3: Chester was no beauty himself. But they would spend a
Speaker 3: lot of time together and they had an odd relationship
Speaker 3: with each other. And Chester would tell Margaret about Catherine,
Speaker 3: and Margaret didn't like Catherine. Margaret was jealous of Katherine.
Speaker 3: Why would you worry about? Chester would tell Margaret how
Speaker 3: he was mad that Catherine was with Kevin Tucker, with
Speaker 3: a black guy.
Speaker 6: Now you talk about the incident itself, when he comes
Speaker 6: over and he and again you just you mentioned that
Speaker 6: he is very, very angry that she's with a black guy.
Speaker 6: But he's also more than forward with her and getting physical.
Speaker 6: So tell us about the incident and the result.
Speaker 3: And one time Chester came over and Katherine had a
Speaker 3: family in the kitchen, and Catherine took Chester into the
Speaker 3: kitchen and Catherine. Chester was grabbing Catherine's legs. Chester was
Speaker 3: clearly trying to do something with Catherine in front of Kevin.
Speaker 3: Was mad and there was no love lost between the
Speaker 3: two of them, and Kevin always had a gun in
Speaker 3: the sofa, and at this time Catherine threw Chester out Catherine,
Speaker 3: for Chester was Catherine's oldest customer, so she would sell
Speaker 3: them the drugs, but she would also want him to leave.
Speaker 3: He was talking her in the kitchen and he grabbed
Speaker 3: her leg and told her how stupid she was for
Speaker 3: a white girl to be dating a black guy, and
Speaker 3: Catherine pulled his hand away from her leg, but Chester
Speaker 3: persisted to touching her. And Kevin didn't like his girlfriend
Speaker 3: being alone, and even before he heard Chester throwing around
Speaker 3: the N word, he said, you need to get out
Speaker 3: of here. I've had it, and Chester said, watch how
Speaker 3: he's speak to me, boy, and Kevin went back down
Speaker 3: and sat down and Chester left. They they didn't like
Speaker 3: each other. Chester didn't like the fact that he had
Speaker 3: confronted him. So it was a few days later. It's
Speaker 3: a cold February Kansas City. Kevin's sitting at the couch.
Speaker 3: He's got his shoes on, but he's wrapped in a
Speaker 3: blanket to keep warm. He's watching TV. The doorbell rings.
Speaker 3: Captain goes up the door and from outside it's Chester,
Speaker 3: he says, and Kevin grimace. He's oh shit, it's been
Speaker 3: days since Chester had been over here. And Kevin reaches
Speaker 3: in to get his gun and Catherine says, no, stop,
Speaker 3: don't do that. Let's not start anything. So Catherine foun
Speaker 3: on the couch and said come on in, and Chester
Speaker 3: walked in. So usually Chester would immediately go in the
Speaker 3: kitchen to do the drug business with Catherine, but not
Speaker 3: this time. Before Chester left, he said, I ain't done
Speaker 3: with you yet, boy, But this time he walked in
Speaker 3: and walked straight to the living room. He stopped and
Speaker 3: stood between the TV and Kevin. He stared right at Kevin,
Speaker 3: and Kevin stared right back. No one said a word.
Speaker 3: Chester James, all of his rage, his hate for black people,
Speaker 3: his madness that Kevin would stand up for him, pulled
Speaker 3: a gun out of his pocket, pointed to Kevin, and
Speaker 3: before Kevin could react, Chester fired a bullet into Kevin's
Speaker 3: chest and Kevin slumped over immediately. Katherin didn't know what
Speaker 3: was going on. She went to the corner and she
Speaker 3: thought she's next with her dog, and Chester was in
Speaker 3: shot Kevin Tucker three more times, and Katherine knew he
Speaker 3: had more bullets and that she was next. Chester did
Speaker 3: say a word, didn't acknowledge Katherine, stuck his gun in
Speaker 3: the back of his pants, grabbed the comforter around Kevin
Speaker 3: Tucker's body and pulled him off the couch. He took
Speaker 3: the gun out of Kevin's pants, He pulled his shoes off,
Speaker 3: ripped off the neck with that Kevin had around his neck,
Speaker 3: and pulled out a set of keys out of Kevin's pockets,
Speaker 3: grabbed his feet, pulled off the couch, untied his shoes
Speaker 3: or was untied. She who his shoes wereun tied, and
Speaker 3: eight fell off and he wrapped it up in the blanket.
Speaker 3: And only then did Chester James finally speak. He turned
Speaker 3: over to Catherine and said, you're gonna help me, and
Speaker 3: she screamed, and he grabbed her and with both guns
Speaker 3: inside his coat, pockets. He slid down the wall and
Speaker 3: sat next to Catherine and gathered in his arm arms
Speaker 3: and she thought she was dead. Her dog, Brandy came
Speaker 3: over and growled at Chester and might have been the
Speaker 3: only thing that saved her, but Kathrick could smell the
Speaker 3: liquor from his breath as Chester tried to calm her
Speaker 3: down and say he wasn't going to kill her, but
Speaker 3: she had to swear that she wouldn't tell anyone. So
Speaker 3: Chester said I'll be back later and left. Trying to
Speaker 3: make a long story short, Chester ran out and got
Speaker 3: into his buddy, Margaret Fowler's car, and left Catherine as
Speaker 3: any prudent person would who witnessed the cold blooded murder
Speaker 3: left also. A couple of days later, Chester told his
Speaker 3: seventeen year old son that hey, I got a truck
Speaker 3: for you. If you've come with me and help me
Speaker 3: with this truck, I'll let you have a truck. So
Speaker 3: Margaret Fowler, who would do all of Chester's errands, drove
Speaker 3: them over to the house. Chester and his son walked
Speaker 3: around the house and walked through, knocked on the door
Speaker 3: and nothing was there. What had happened before of this
Speaker 3: is that he didn't see any anybody inside the house.
Speaker 3: Is that Chester had actually wrapped Kevin Tucker in a blanket,
Speaker 3: pulled him out the back, down the steps into a
Speaker 3: crawl space, and shoved his body dropping down each of
Speaker 3: the steps into the basement and left in there for
Speaker 3: no one to know. So later he's with the sun
Speaker 3: saying that he's got this truck for him, and some
Speaker 3: doesn't see any truck and walks around back and sees
Speaker 3: a blood trail, and then Chester tells him what's going on.
Speaker 3: Tell this guy got a fight with me. I had
Speaker 3: to do this. You have to help me. Chester finds
Speaker 3: a bloody axe on the side of the yard and
Speaker 3: they have to decide what to do with the body.
Speaker 3: And the brainy act that Chester James was. He decided
Speaker 3: that if they removed his head in his hands, they
Speaker 3: couldn't identify us by his face. They could identify by
Speaker 3: his fingerprints. But he forced his son to help him.
Speaker 3: As they dismembered Kevin Tucker's body, they cut off his head,
Speaker 3: they cut off his hand, They put him in a
Speaker 3: plastic bag. They decided then they were going to take
Speaker 3: the body to a car washer in the river, and
Speaker 3: they took Kevin Tucker's body up the stairs out of
Speaker 3: the tall space, and they must have heard something. A
Speaker 3: neighbor or somebody must have said something, but they decided
Speaker 3: to throw his body over the fence and they ran
Speaker 3: with the head and hands in the bag and jumped
Speaker 3: back in Margaret Fowler's car. They went and dumped their
Speaker 3: head and hands in a trash bag to find out
Speaker 3: what day. They dumped it on the Can'try Police department
Speaker 3: and searched the entire I think we had forty officers
Speaker 3: and technicians out there searching border and never recovered Kevin
Speaker 3: Tucker's head in hand. Fast forward through the investigation. The
Speaker 3: cops a couple of weeks find at this member body.
Speaker 3: They don't know who it is except for a partial
Speaker 3: palm print, and they identify it as Kevin Tucker. They
Speaker 3: find out Kevin Tucker had known Catherine Brown and had
Speaker 3: lived in that area, and they talked to Captain Brown.
Speaker 3: They found her here. I don't know any about anything,
Speaker 3: as most criminals do. They kept talking to him. Finally,
Speaker 3: the named Chester James kept coming up. They talked to
Speaker 3: Captain Brown again and she said, yes, here's what happened.
Speaker 3: And before they could get her in become testify. She
Speaker 3: called the detective and Chester James was at her new
Speaker 3: apartment and Chester James was there to kill her and
Speaker 3: her dog Brandy that had comforted her before when Kevin
Speaker 3: Tucker shot attacked Chester and bit him on the hand
Speaker 3: and Catherine got away. Now, at that day they arrested
Speaker 3: Chester James for the homicide of Kevin Tucker and for
Speaker 3: the attempted robbery of Catherine Brown.
Speaker 6: Now the other thing is is that you introduced Detective
Speaker 6: Lynch into some good work and just they found that
Speaker 6: a blood trail out of or to the crawl space
Speaker 6: or to the basement where they stashed the body temporarily.
Speaker 6: So tell us what they do with Margaret Fowler and
Speaker 6: how fast they get to how this unfolded.
Speaker 3: The police department investigators, the tectas did a great work.
Speaker 3: They found a body on the other side of this house,
Speaker 3: and they had no idea where it came from. They
Speaker 3: got search ones for both houses. They found nothing too
Speaker 3: obvious in any of the houses as far as the
Speaker 3: crime scene. So the detectives found the blood trail and
Speaker 3: found the cross. They can found the basement and realized
Speaker 3: that where maybe the hamis I did in the curb,
Speaker 3: but definitely the dimberment of the body happened. And so
Speaker 3: they did some great detective work and they finally tracked
Speaker 3: down by the power and Margaret Fowler gave a statement
Speaker 3: to the police department and said, here's what happened. I
Speaker 3: drove him there. I don't know what he's doing. He
Speaker 3: came back and he had this, and so she gave
Speaker 3: her statement, and they had talked to the son, and
Speaker 3: the son gave a statement also, he said, here's what happened.
Speaker 3: I did this. I didn't know, but I had to
Speaker 3: help my dad. It was scare to him. So then
Speaker 3: in any trial it comes to the point of whatever
Speaker 3: the real facts are, that don't mean anything, and she
Speaker 3: can explain him to the jury. And so I was
Speaker 3: faced with this motley crew of people to prosecute Chester James.
Speaker 3: My star witness is Catherine Brown. Since then she has
Speaker 3: been arrested in doing a federal charge and serving time
Speaker 3: in Houston, Texas. About to have the US Marshall's flat
Speaker 3: her back for testimony. She comes in in an orange
Speaker 3: jump soup, tells the story, tells what happened. The other
Speaker 3: witnesses I need are Margaret Fowler and Chester James no
Speaker 3: excuse me at Chester's son. And so Margaret Fellay had
Speaker 3: given a great statement to the police, but you know,
Speaker 3: I have to have her give that same statement on
Speaker 3: the witness stands. And she was flaky, and she danced
Speaker 3: around the every question and tried to be evasive as possible.
Speaker 3: She was staring at Chester. But I finally got her
Speaker 3: to admit some things that I got to actually put
Speaker 3: her statement in evidence. And after that, we knew that
Speaker 3: Chester wasn't happy. She had always visiting Chester in jail
Speaker 3: every single day, and we knew that she was manipulated,
Speaker 3: and we knew that she could not get away from
Speaker 3: Chester and would do anything about trying to help him.
Speaker 3: So we closed for that day. And you know, when
Speaker 3: you're in the middle of a trial, you try and
Speaker 3: wrap up the case. Majority goes some but you spend
Speaker 3: some more time getting ready for the next day of trial.
Speaker 3: And we left that day kind of late at night.
Speaker 3: I told the other prosecutor I was proscuting with I'll
Speaker 3: see you later, and I walked in my car. And
Speaker 3: as I walked in my car, I had a pretty
Speaker 3: good parking spot wasn't too far away, but it was
Speaker 3: getting late, it was getting dark, and I was walking
Speaker 3: to my car. I noticed from a distance someone was
Speaker 3: leaning against my car, and I wasn't too alarmed. I
Speaker 3: didn't really give it too much of thought, and there
Speaker 3: was a lot of homeless people downtown Campa City, but
Speaker 3: surprised that they got close to my car that I
Speaker 3: recognized the person leaning against my car and I knew
Speaker 3: that person shouldn't be there. There are some parking lot
Speaker 3: lights there and it was Margaret Fowler. And maybe I
Speaker 3: should have been more worried and of what Margaret Fowler
Speaker 3: was going to do there, But walked up to Margaret
Speaker 3: and didn't even think of her as a threat. I
Speaker 3: thought her just as a liar and a flake. But
Speaker 3: then it hit me, you know, Chester James did to
Speaker 3: manipulated this woman to do incredible things for him for years,
Speaker 3: and she just lied on the stand and takes perjury charges.
Speaker 3: So I didn't know what she's up to, you know,
Speaker 3: was she there for no good or what was going on?
Speaker 3: So one thing I knew is that she shouldn't be there.
Speaker 3: And I immediately said, Margaret, you know you shouldn't be here,
Speaker 3: and she said to me, Chester has a message for you.
Speaker 3: He wants me to give it to you. And I
Speaker 3: quickly realized that I probably ought to be taking this
Speaker 3: little more seriously. And I had second thoughts about whether
Speaker 3: Margaret was a threat, and I noticed she kept one
Speaker 3: hand in her pocket, so I immediately thought, what should
Speaker 3: I dude? Did Chester want the message to be a
Speaker 3: bullet or did Chester want to tell me something? Either way,
Speaker 3: if he shot me, that's not good, or if she's
Speaker 3: there something else, I could get a mistrial. And so
Speaker 3: with as stern as I could be, I said, Margaret,
Speaker 3: whatever you want to say or do you need to
Speaker 3: think about it real hard. And I know you're loyal
Speaker 3: to Chester, but you need to realize Chester's going away
Speaker 3: for a long time and you're not to go home
Speaker 3: in a few days. Chess is going to be out
Speaker 3: of your life forever. Do not do anything stupid right now.
Speaker 3: And I never found out what message he had for me,
Speaker 3: but Margaret looked at her feet, she mumbled something, never
Speaker 3: took her hand out of her pocket, and walked away.
Speaker 3: So I got in my car and got the hell
Speaker 3: out of there, not really ever understanding whether Margaret was
Speaker 3: there to harm me or what. But Margaret had a
Speaker 3: message in Chester. I pulled the jail records and she
Speaker 3: had seen him right before, she's seen him to see me,
Speaker 3: and saw him right after. But I never know what
Speaker 3: she wanted it, but the that thing I was happy about.
Speaker 3: We didn't have to have a mistrial. So the next
Speaker 3: day we started with last witness, which was Chester Sun.
Speaker 6: Now you talk about Vincent, his son, and of course
Speaker 6: he was duped into helping his father, and of course
Speaker 6: had nothing to do with this, and you explained that
Speaker 6: you had no animosity towards him and did not he
Speaker 6: could understand his situation. However, explain the however, with Vincent
Speaker 6: and what he chose to do.
Speaker 3: You know, when you no one ever choose to become
Speaker 3: a witness to a crime. You just are there and
Speaker 3: you are part of the story. And I realized from
Speaker 3: getting to know Chester James an investigation the pre trial,
Speaker 3: but he was a rotten son of the bitch, and
Speaker 3: I realized that he had been terrible to Vincent all
Speaker 3: his life. And so the crime had happened for a while,
Speaker 3: and since then Vincent had met a girl he's getting
Speaker 3: ready to get married. I met with Vincent and his
Speaker 3: piance and her parents which were great people, and they
Speaker 3: were supportive of him, Like Vincy had to testify. I
Speaker 3: know you can rock in a hard place. Vincon was
Speaker 3: getting ready to go to the military, and I had
Speaker 3: compassion for him and I didn't want to charge him
Speaker 3: to crime. I wanted him to testify and be done
Speaker 3: with it for his life, and so I had several
Speaker 3: meetings with him. I knew he was had a hard
Speaker 3: time with it, but he had to take the stand.
Speaker 3: So in my opening statement, I told the jury, here's
Speaker 3: all the witnesses you're here from and this is what
Speaker 3: they're going to say. And so my last witness was Vincent.
Speaker 3: And as I had told the jury, you're going to
Speaker 3: hear from the sun. And you know, charal work is
Speaker 3: fluid and time to make quick decisions. And when I
Speaker 3: got Vincent on the stand, I realized how fluid I
Speaker 3: needed to be, because I put him on the stand
Speaker 3: and I asked him his name, and he said Densive James,
Speaker 3: and I asked him his relations Chester James, which he
Speaker 3: said as his father. But the next thing I asked
Speaker 3: him about any events the late of Captain Bounce BrownHouse
Speaker 3: sort of piss them in the right and he would
Speaker 3: not testify, and I didn't see it coming. As a prosecutor,
Speaker 3: if you know someone witness is going to do that,
Speaker 3: you should not put him on the stands just it's
Speaker 3: basically unethical because the jury hears something they shouldn't and
Speaker 3: I didn't know it. And what I needed to do
Speaker 3: figure out there is I asked him some more questions
Speaker 3: and risk him his trial or do I tried some
Speaker 3: innocent questions to see if he would answer, or what's
Speaker 3: going on with so you know, sometimes changing strategies mid
Speaker 3: trial is like a quarterback having to call a new
Speaker 3: player an audible at the scrimmage line, and I've had
Speaker 3: seconds to figure out what to do about that. So
Speaker 3: I treaded lightly. If I knew he's a young man,
Speaker 3: he's in the worst position of his life and was
Speaker 3: told in many different directions, so he's unpredictable. So but
Speaker 3: I knew I'd talked to him, so I asked him
Speaker 3: a couple more questions and he said, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to talk to you, and the defense journey objected and
Speaker 3: asked we come forward. I looked around and I saw
Speaker 3: Chester sitting at the at the council table, just grinn
Speaker 3: and had his son, and I knew there's the mastermind
Speaker 3: behind Vincent's plan to do this. So we approached the
Speaker 3: judge and the defense attorney, you know, rightfully makes the
Speaker 3: objector hey wait a second, judge, this is purely terrible.
Speaker 3: Should get a this trial. He called this kid up
Speaker 3: here and he said he's going to talk about the
Speaker 3: trial and he's not. He's a certa of stiff. He
Speaker 3: should never understand. And I made my please to the judge.
Speaker 3: I Judge, I didn't know it. I never knows him
Speaker 3: to do this. This is news to the state and
Speaker 3: that whole argument, and the judge agreed that it was
Speaker 3: not on this trial. But she didn't instruct the jury
Speaker 3: that they would not take any account to him being
Speaker 3: on the stand he calls his witness or not and
Speaker 3: like they say, you can't unring that bell. I had
Speaker 3: told the jury what he would say an opening statement.
Speaker 3: The jury, when I looked at them, they knew it.
Speaker 3: They knew what had happened here. They could tell that
Speaker 3: Vincent was in her hard place and that he got
Speaker 3: a decision, and they look between Vincent and Chester and
Speaker 3: they got it. We closed at inclosing, we've made the
Speaker 3: argument and I realized, in a good trial attorney to
Speaker 3: make sure that never the jury never sees he's flustered.
Speaker 3: So I did my best to make sure they didn't
Speaker 3: see me fluster with Vincent at all. And the jury
Speaker 3: came back rather quickly with a conviction, and Chester was convicted.
Speaker 3: Later we had the sentencing, and at sentencing, the defense
Speaker 3: trying to talk about what a tough life he had
Speaker 3: had and he shouldn't be sentenced to this much time,
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah. The jury had recommended sixty years,
Speaker 3: and the judge gave Chester James sixty years plus ten
Speaker 3: in prison, and Chester walked out in shackles. He said
Speaker 3: to me, I ain't done with you yet, boy, and
Speaker 3: I just smiled at him and said, Chester, I'll be
Speaker 3: I don't know Chester still in prison. I'm assuming he's
Speaker 3: dead by now. He would have been close to eighty
Speaker 3: five by now. One interesting thing is that after we
Speaker 3: got done there, I had to decide what to do
Speaker 3: with Finsin. And I'd explained to him the situation of
Speaker 3: having to testify and there's consequences that he didn't and
Speaker 3: he didn't, so I had a little ethical issue what
Speaker 3: to do with it. And I decided that there has
Speaker 3: to be consequences, so I charged him with abandonment of
Speaker 3: a corpse, which was one of the times it's ever
Speaker 3: been charged in the state of Missouri. It's the crime
Speaker 3: that if you know of a dead body and you
Speaker 3: have a relationship to it, you have to report it,
Speaker 3: and if you don't, that's a crime. And just real briefly,
Speaker 3: it's interesting that the type of crime was argued, and
Speaker 3: our Supreme Court brought up the case of Huckleberry Finn.
Speaker 3: If you remember the story of Huckleberry Finn, huck Finn
Speaker 3: and Jim find a dead body and they don't know
Speaker 3: what to do with it and they leave, and the
Speaker 3: Supreme Court said, well, here's the deal. Hawk and Jim
Speaker 3: didn't know that body, so that's not a crime. The
Speaker 3: prime is when you have some sort of relationship. Well,
Speaker 3: Vincent James had a relationship. He actually just membered his body.
Speaker 3: He had a relationship to report it. So I charged
Speaker 3: him with the felony. And when it came to time
Speaker 3: to be convicted and sentencing, all my prosecutor friends said
Speaker 3: I should have for penitentiary time, and I decided to
Speaker 3: offer probation and he got probation and hopefully he completed
Speaker 3: his probation and he gave him a suspended division and sentence,
Speaker 3: which we inside a conviction. And the last I heard
Speaker 3: he was going into the military and everything was going
Speaker 3: to be great in his life. I decided I shouldn't
Speaker 3: push for prison time that I wanted him to understand
Speaker 3: even though he's between a rock and a hard place,
Speaker 3: there were consequences to get understand and basically saying few
Speaker 3: to the state and not testifying. So the story of
Speaker 3: Chester James, the best Father of the decade is told.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we only have a few minutes left, but the
Speaker 6: most profound story here, and I think the one that
Speaker 6: lasts the most for the reader is and I'd like
Speaker 6: you to talk a little bit about it is you
Speaker 6: call it Anti Ruth's neighborhood. This is a particularly gripping story.
Speaker 6: Dorothy Hayes and her sister, Ruth Hayes. He's eighty two
Speaker 6: years old and she had outlived her husband of forty years,
Speaker 6: so she was widowed for about ten years or so.
Speaker 6: And Ruth's younger sister was Dorothy. So tell us the
Speaker 6: living arrangement that they had and sort of what kind
Speaker 6: of place Ruth sort of had in her apartment there
Speaker 6: and sort of how she conducted herself. And again Auntie Ruth,
Speaker 6: how she was known in the neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, while growing up, everybody had that one
Speaker 3: house in the neighborhood where friendly elderly people lived, everybody
Speaker 3: loved and maybe it's an older couple or a sweet
Speaker 3: early woman, but there was at some place that everybody
Speaker 3: was always welcomed, where the kids could always find a
Speaker 3: snack or a safe place to stay. Well in Kansas City,
Speaker 3: the neighborhood in the early two thousands, that house was
Speaker 3: where Dorothy Hayes and Ruth Hayes lived. We had talked
Speaker 3: about Ruth had been widowed and lived with her sister,
Speaker 3: but it was just the place that everyone came into
Speaker 3: all the time. So she had gained the nickname of
Speaker 3: Anti Ruth over the years because she was so kind
Speaker 3: at nursery nature. She would always stop whatever she's doing
Speaker 3: for a visitor to talk to them, something to eat
Speaker 3: or drink, or even a loan of money, or just
Speaker 3: to talk. And so the neighborhood kids would go by there,
Speaker 3: people would stop buy and have coffee with her. And
Speaker 3: you know, Ruth was older, and she'd been in the
Speaker 3: neighborhood when it was a very nice neighborhood to now
Speaker 3: when it was a crime ridden neighborhood. But she still
Speaker 3: rarely locked her doors and still let people walk in
Speaker 3: with being unannounced and grab a coke, or he's the bathroom,
Speaker 3: or loans some money. So it was just Ruth Taylor
Speaker 3: was just one of these people that everyone loved.
Speaker 6: Now you talk about just the situation where somebody could
Speaker 6: use the washroom, somebody could have a pop actually a cigarette.
Speaker 6: And then you introduced this character that just got out
Speaker 6: of prison is staying with his aunt Alma across the street,
Speaker 6: and he goes by Anthony, but his name is Hill.
Speaker 6: And so tell us a little bit about James Anthony
Speaker 6: Hill and the kind of criminal background he has and
Speaker 6: the kind of person that he has become at this age,
Speaker 6: middle aged man. Y.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so James Antony Hill, he's a middle aged guy.
Speaker 3: He's certainly not one of the kids in the neighbors.
Speaker 3: Ruth knew him, and her neighbor was Sabrina new but
Speaker 3: they only knew him through his aunt Alma, who lived
Speaker 3: with across the street. After he penitentiary. He was someone
Speaker 3: that would come around, and you know in the neighborhood,
Speaker 3: people are walking around and somebody are going to use
Speaker 3: anywhere to use the restroom. So Anthony Hill would had
Speaker 3: been to Aunt Ruth's house enough time to know that
Speaker 3: if you went in there, you could use the restroom.
Speaker 3: So this guy had been in and out of prison
Speaker 3: and a lot of his crimes were assaults assaults on women.
Speaker 3: But of course Aunt Ruthie didn't know that, and if
Speaker 3: she would have known it, she wouldn't have cared. She
Speaker 3: was just that type of person. So Ruth was sitting
Speaker 3: having coffee with her neighbor Sabrina, and people would come
Speaker 3: in and out, and one time James Anthony Hill. Some
Speaker 3: of them as James, so someone was Anthony, but he
Speaker 3: came in, knocked the door into the residence, went to
Speaker 3: the bathroom, knew, wiped his feet and left. It was
Speaker 3: cold outside and ruthe said, you sure you can use
Speaker 3: the bathroom, and just wasn't uncommon people stopped buying and
Speaker 3: just use the bathroom because people walking in they didn't
Speaker 3: have a place to use it. So Ruth had told
Speaker 3: Anthony that he could go and that Hill they could
Speaker 3: go in there whenever he wanted, so he came in
Speaker 3: and came out. Ruth had been there having coffee Sabrina.
Speaker 3: Her sister Dorothy had been in the other room watching
Speaker 3: TV and then went to sleep. And to fast forward
Speaker 3: the story, Anthony Hill came in to use the restume
Speaker 3: a second time and asked for some money, and Ruth said,
Speaker 3: I just don't have any money today. I'm sorry about that,
Speaker 3: and he had left and then finally came back and
Speaker 3: was frustrated. He didn't like the fact that Sabrino was
Speaker 3: still there having coffee with Ann Ruth, and he was
Speaker 3: still mad that he didn't get any money from Aunt Ruth.
Speaker 3: So this time he didn't just go to the bathroom.
Speaker 3: He kind of stood around there and lingered. But Sabrina
Speaker 3: had to leave, so Sabrina left. She walked up the door,
Speaker 3: left Ruth alone with Hill. She never thought of Ruth
Speaker 3: being unsafe and Aunt Ruth didn't really ei her. So
Speaker 3: Ruth told Anthony, who was welcome to stay as long
Speaker 3: as he did stay warmed his cold out there. His
Speaker 3: Aunt Albanul to be home soon because he was saanning
Speaker 3: he couldn't get in there and went all ro out
Speaker 3: of business. Aunt Ruth went through her room and changed
Speaker 3: from her day close into her nightgown and came back
Speaker 3: out and went out and said the birds her last
Speaker 3: piece of corn bread from her lunch, as she always did,
Speaker 3: and she walked back into the living room and heard
Speaker 3: Anthony go into the bathroom. When he came back out,
Speaker 3: the first thing she noticed that his pants runs it
Speaker 3: and a ply way to attempt to tell him, hey,
Speaker 3: you forgot it, she says, he hey, sip her pants open,
Speaker 3: And before he could say anything, Anthony He'll violently grabbed
Speaker 3: her arm and twisted it and he said, don't say
Speaker 3: word and Ruthie, or I'll kill you. They pushed Ruth
Speaker 3: back up quickly toward the table. Ruth thought her legs
Speaker 3: were gonna snap and grabbed her by the throat, wrapped
Speaker 3: his hands around her throat, and Ruth couldn't even yell
Speaker 3: for her sister, who was in the other room. He
Speaker 3: was choking her against the table and Ruth couldn't do anything.
Speaker 3: She's frail and she's weak, and she doesn't know what
Speaker 3: to do. And then, in a fight for life mode,
Speaker 3: she grabs his testacles and squeezes as hard as she can. Well,
Speaker 3: she's an elderly woman. She can't squeeze that much, but
Speaker 3: it was enough for him to release his grip from her.
Speaker 3: He was then even more mad. He grabbed a heavy
Speaker 3: glass bowl that sat on Ruth's tailor for decades. Sometimes
Speaker 3: it's held candies, sometimes it's a fruit bowl or full
Speaker 3: of nuts, and it was empty now and he saw
Speaker 3: out of the weapon, and he grabbed that glass bowl
Speaker 3: and raised the high above Ruth's head and brought it
Speaker 3: down and struck her head with a force that shattered
Speaker 3: the glass bowl. So fast forward about the story. Ruth
Speaker 3: Hill was sexual assaulted that night and left in blood
Speaker 3: and urine on that kitchen floor, and James Anthony Hill left.
Speaker 3: Her niece came and found her. The police were called.
Speaker 3: Ruth was in a coma. They had to do sexual
Speaker 3: assault things. Ruth didn't want to even admit choose a
Speaker 3: sexual assault victim, and it was one of the worst
Speaker 3: things that happened in that neighborhood.
Speaker 6: We are going to have to let you go. Before
Speaker 6: I do, I want to just tell people that what
Speaker 6: we did leave out is an incredible and again, in
Speaker 6: true crime, there's not too many happy endings or any
Speaker 6: details that would be uplifting at all. But the story
Speaker 6: we talked about Aunt Ruthie, this is an incredible story
Speaker 6: where I'll just tell the audience that there's an incredible
Speaker 6: relationship that Aunt Ruthie lives and shows up at court
Speaker 6: and it is a really touching story about her giving
Speaker 6: you some cookies and later some stew. So it's a very,
Speaker 6: very fascinating. We just touched on again one of the
Speaker 6: most profound stories of the five that you cover in
Speaker 6: this incredible collection. I want to thank you for coming
Speaker 6: on and talking about His name was Murder, Real Kansas
Speaker 6: City Crime Stories from the Prosecutor. So, Phil, do you
Speaker 6: have a website or a Facebook page for this for
Speaker 6: people that might want to contact you or.
Speaker 3: That I have? I have both if you're interested in
Speaker 3: the book. I have a website it's www dot his
Speaker 3: name was murder dot com. And I also have a
Speaker 3: Facebook page of his name was Murder or you can
Speaker 3: find me on Facebook. Two. My name is Phil Lavote.
Speaker 3: It's Bill L. E.
Speaker 4: V O T A.
Speaker 3: And and we've had a great thing. It's available on
Speaker 3: Amazon also, it's for sale at topsco. And it's been
Speaker 3: just been great telling the story. We've got into some
Speaker 3: really detail about it. The trial work. We didn't talk
Speaker 3: about a lot of it too. I'm glad you talked
Speaker 3: about Andrew because it was a it was a great
Speaker 3: thing at how elily One was embarrassed, but just she
Speaker 3: had the sense to stand up for herself. But that's
Speaker 3: my website. It's a It's been a great pleasure writing
Speaker 3: the book and then talking about my book and giving presentation.
Speaker 3: So I really appreciate you having me on here to
Speaker 3: talk more about it.
Speaker 6: Well, it was my pleasure, Phil, Thank you, Thank you
Speaker 6: very much, Phil Lavota for coming on and talking about
Speaker 6: his name was murder. It's been an absolute pleasure. And
Speaker 6: like I say, the story with Aunt Ruthie, it's just incredible,
Speaker 6: the exchange that you have with her on trial the
Speaker 6: seventy eight year a woman that was violated in her
Speaker 6: own home, left for dead, like you say, in a
Speaker 6: puddle of her own blood and urine, and then somehow
Speaker 6: which there is some happy ending in this and just
Speaker 6: an incredible touching story and part of this really really
Speaker 6: exciting book Real Kansas City Crime Stories from the Prosecutor.
Speaker 6: Thank you very much, Phil for coming on and talking
Speaker 6: about this. If you have a great evening, hope to
Speaker 6: talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you again.
Speaker 6: Good Night.