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Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody to the Surely you Can't Be Serious Podcast,

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Part two of the James Bond Never Say Never Again

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versus Octopusy Podcasts. Jason, are you ready to jump back in?

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Speaker 2: Okay, man, let's go through the checklist really quick, all right,

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Walter pbka, silenced check, licensed to kill, check, bazooka, pin check,

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jetpack check, weird faberge egg check, and octopus tattoo that

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nobody else can see but me. Ready to go? All right?

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Speaker 3: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely you Can't Be

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Serious Podcast, discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten

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of eighties and nineties pop culture with your co hosts

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James d Raids and Jason Kolibay.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody to the Surely you Can't Be Serious Podcast? Okay, Jason,

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Just because kind of all of the James Bond movies

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kind of meld together in my brain, I think we

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should go over a brief plot outline for each of

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these oversimplified as we can get. Okay, So I'll go first.

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We'll do Octopusy. This is straight out of IMDb. When

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Agent Double oh nine turns up dead at the British

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embassy in East Berlin holding a Russian Faberge egg. Double

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O seven is called to investigate. He soon finds out

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that the egg is being sought by a collector named

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Kamal Khan, who is in league with a psychopathic Soviet

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general or Lav, who is hell bent on Soviet domination

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despite reprimands from his superiors. Orlov's plan involves smuggling an

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atomic bomb into the US Air Force base in West

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Germany in the hopes of crippling the country and leaving

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it an easy target for Soviet conquest. Bond's investigation of

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Khn leads him to India, where he meets a mysterious

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woman named Octopussy who is connected to Khan. The bomb

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is smuggled the board a circus train, and one of

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the men helping Kamal and Orlov is the man responsible

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for killing Double O nine. Bond must race against time

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to stop the bomb from exploding and killing thousands, and

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then running down Kamal Khan before he escapes.

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Speaker 2: Octabusy. Okay, all right, so I'm going to give you

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the plot outline of Never Say Never Again, which, as

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a reminder, is the exact same plot of Thunderbolt. James

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Bond double set makes his way for one last mission.

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Two American nuclear warheads have been stolen by Specter. The

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British reactivate their double section and send Bond off to

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the Bahamas to recover them. There he meets Maximilian Largo,

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who is a paramad mastermind set on carrying out his

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plan for worldwide nuclear blackmail. On Largo's side the villainous

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fem fatale Fatima Blush. But Bond does have an ally

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Largo's girlfriend, the beautiful Domino, who falls for Bond. Okay,

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so those are the brief plot outlines.

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Speaker 1: It didn't help me at all. Like it's like, boy,

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could those have been the same movie? Yes, those could

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have been the same movie. You throw out Faberge, Egg

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and Circus and those are basically the same movie. So

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Mond has got a formula here, right, and we're going

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with what works.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: You've got canniping bad guys, you've got cold war atomic danger,

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and you've got beautiful women who may or may not

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be trying to kill Double O seven.

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Speaker 2: That's right, it works. Why change it?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Here's one thing that I want to point out to you.

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It's a little bit confusing for me, because I've seen

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Thunderball many times. I've seen Never Say Never Again many times.

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I've read the novel Thunderball, and I've seen Austin Powers

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many times. Oh hey, yes, essentially this is the same

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plot from Austin Powers. Right, he is holding the world

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ransom for one million dollars? Oh, no, one hundred billion

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dollars right? Oh yeah, Okay, So of these two plots,

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which is the one?

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Speaker 1: It's the same. It's the formula, man, it's the same.

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I mean, we're here, honestly, plot wise, it's not significantly different.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful women, both nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 1: I can say this. Despite having very similar plots, it

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seemed to me that OCTOPUSY had a lot more action

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sequences to it, like you've got I mean, it's you know,

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it's like how Needham was involved with this one? Can

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we have a car chase? Can we have a car

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shooting off a bridge? Can we have a guy dangling

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from a train? How can we have a guy dangling

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from a plane? You know, would you eat it with

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a goat? Would you eat it on a boat? And

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so the boat comes up and never say never? But

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I think that the thematic points make OCTOPUSY a more

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exciting movie to watch. What about you?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the plot of Never Saying Ever Again

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is more interesting. Holding the world ransom with nuclear weapons,

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to me, is just more gripping rather than faberge eggs

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and a Afghan prince and this weird octopus cult. Although

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it it just kind of all melds together into a

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so let's let's jump from plot. Let's

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jump into opening song. Every Bond movie has an opening song,

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so let's talk about opening songs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So the opening song for Octopusy is

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All Time High by Rita Coolidge.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, listening to that smooth saxophone sound.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So to me, this one is a slower, it's

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more melodic, it's it's a ballad. I think they're trying

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to capture the Carly Simon feel from the spy who

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loved Me?

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts for sure? That they're they're going

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back to that. This is this is smoothie and jazzy

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all over the place, And you know why they didn't

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why they didn't have a song that was named after

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the title of the movie.

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Speaker 2: Because they can't think of anything that rhymes with Octopussy.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Thanks for ruining that joke. Yes, that's

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the right answer.

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Speaker 2: Don't be a whissy, go watch Octopussy. So yeah, I

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agree with you. This does have a little bit of

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a yacht rock feel to it. Really Coolidge to me

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is the girl who's sang higher and higher from the

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early eighties, which that was kind of a big hit.

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could have used Duran Duran, they could have used Journey,

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they could have done something a little more young and peppy,

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and they went the opposite way.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, just thinking about this, you got two guys

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who were iconic from the decades past. You've got the

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sixth D's Bond and the seventies Bond, And I mean,

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it makes sense that they would have seventies music with

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the seventies Bond, but these guys were at the end

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of their era. And you know we haven't I mentioned

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way back when we were talking about Raiders the Lost

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Arc that Bond is an outright pig a whole lot

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of the time. That kind of ended with these two

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guys like this, they were They're the they're the dinosaurs,

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even having sex, let alone all the you know, inappropriate

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zooming in on the woman's cleavage, you know, tricking the

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virgin into giving it up by using a trick deck

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of cards. I mean, there's just so many or thunderball,

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you know, you wouldn't please.

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Speaker 2: Let the.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: I I suppose my silence could have a prized.

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Speaker 1: I mean on yeah, oh my gosh, you are a

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big and that that disappears with this. But I think

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that the songs are a part of that deal that

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they are from a time past. They're not looking to

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capture a new audience. They're looking to keep the audience

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that they already have hooked in. And I think if

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they use Journey or Duran Duran, that they're going to

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turn a whole bunch of the folks that were watching

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Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying, but they used Duran Duran

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two years later in nineteen eighty five with a View

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to a Kill, and it's probably the best Bond song

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, according to you and me, it is because

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we were kids of the eighties and so yeah, and

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which was a totally kick.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a yeah.

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Speaker 1: But the song transition started to happen, I guess before

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they completely got out of having these actors in there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's switch back to Never Say Never Again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So for Never Say Never Again, we have Never

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Speaker 2: Okay, this one makes James Bond feel even older to me.

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Speaker 1: It's just copa copa cubana.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it does have that seventies feel to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like Fantasy Island or Love.

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Speaker 2: You're right, did you watch the video for this? Yes, Okay,

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I'm gonna poke fun at her just a touch.

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Speaker 1: Pretty lady. You don't like the tuxedo.

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Speaker 2: I don't like the tuxedo. I don't like women in tuxedos.

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I'm sorry anyway.

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Speaker 1: It depends on the circumstance. But this is not the

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right one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna quit talking. But I think All Time

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I like eighties music, so I'm not gonna poke fun

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at the eighties feel for both of these, even though

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they're both kind of seventies feel. Who's the winner?

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Speaker 1: I probably like Never Say Never Again. No, I don't know, man,

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They're both not going to be anything. They're falling into

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my playlist anytime soon. Yeah, it's got to be Never

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the Carly Simon song, but this the readA Coolidge didn't

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didn't make it.

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all right?

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Speaker 1: Then?

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Speaker 2: Okay, here here's one I want to talk about. Okay,

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and it's going to be a little bit hard to

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talk about because Never Say Never Again does not have

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that opening credits scene. Okay, so that doesn't really count.

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We just kind of have to set that one aside.

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Octopus's opening credits scene. Yes, a little bit revealing in

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their silhouettes.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, this is the one that made me go

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oh wait a minute, were all of the silhouettes completely

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naked and really really cold? And some of them were

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some you'd be surprised, but I think this one was

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the one day they'd had a little little Nippley.

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Speaker 2: It definitely is a little Nippley. They pushed the envelope,

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I think on this one even further so. But so

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the opening credits, it's always done by the same guy.

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Speaker 1: Right. Well, and you know, since we're on songs, we

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should at least touch on the iconic James Bond song,

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which is done by John Barry of course, right He

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was asked by the people who were putting together Never

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Say Never Again to do the music for it as well,

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but out of loyalty to Eon Productions and Kubby Brockley,

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he said, no, thanks, guys, I'm gonna I'm not going

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to get in the middle of that divorce mess. No,

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thank you.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So next on the list, let's look at the

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Speaker 1: Okay, So for Octopusy we have mod Adams, who've already

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Speaker 2: So I want to touch on mod Adams again. Who

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She had been in the Man with the Golden Gun

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with Roger Moore. She was Scaramonga's girlfriend, right, so she

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is actually a bond girl twice two different characters. Kind

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of interesting. She was a playboy model Google.

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Speaker 1: Let's going.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So let's talk about a couple of the people

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I found this interesting. They wanted Faye Dunaway, which would

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Speaker 2: So she plays Fatima Blush from Never Say Never Again?

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Speaker 1: Did you say blush?

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Speaker 2: Fatima's hard?

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Speaker 1: It's real hard not to say bush, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: I try to say it like her because just blush.

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Speaker 1: It's blush. I don't care if she's got an accent.

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It's blush bush blush. Right. Yeah, she was interested, but

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then when she found out she could be in a

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movie with Sean Connery, she was like, no, thank you,

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I'll go act with Sean Connery. And then when they said, hey,

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we can put your body double in for this left scene,

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and she was like, no, thank you, I'll go ahead

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and do it myself. With Sean Connery.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Thank you very much, Barbara Kaurr. We appreciate you.

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But when she turned them down to go work with

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Sean Connery and Octopussy, they looked at pursus cambata. Okay,

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not positive I'm saying that right. But you will recognize

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her from Star Trek the motion picture. She plays Aliyah,

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the bald girl that's taken over by Veger.

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Speaker 1: Oh, the bald girl, the bald like vulcoan girl.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's who they wanted to play. OCTOPUSY.

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Speaker 1: Bad guy is Lewis Jordan. He plays Kamal Khan. He

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had been in GigE and this is one from the eighties.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's the He is the guy from the

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Swamp Thing. Yeah, and I look at him. It's swamp Thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, swamp Thing all the way for sure.

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Speaker 2: What'd you think of him as a bad guy? I mean,

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who is the bad guy in Octopusy?

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Speaker 1: Is it him? Or is it orlof? I mean it's

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him really to me? Yeah, I mean he's got that

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fantastic scene at the end where he's flying the plane. Oh,

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the movie, that plane was the way they were going

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to do that is they had it on like this

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catapult kind of thing, and there's nobody in the plane.

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get a nice big kaboom, an earth shattering kaboom whenever

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whenever it hits. And so they shoot it off in

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the catapult. They're filming in Utah, and when they shoot

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it off, suddenly the wind catches it and it starts

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gliding around like unmanned. I mean, there's no remote, it's

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just gliding and he's gliding over a freeway full of busys.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: But ultimately, you know, falls in a different spot. It

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doesn't even blow up. They had to reshoot the explosion

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scene altogether.

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Speaker 2: It's just that's the scene where Kamal Khan tells Gobinda

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to go go outside and go get him. Yeah, I'll

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be like, sorry, dude, you don't pay me enough money.

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I'm not doing that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, he looks at him like out out there, Yeah,

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go out there and get him on the outside of

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the airplane. Okay, So Gobinda let's talk about him for

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a second. I don't know who this guy is. His

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name is Kamir Bindi, but he to me, he's just

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a recreation of odd Job from Goldfinger. He gets mad

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and he crushes the dice. Yeah, that game very odd

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Job like feel to him. He didn't say anything, I mean,

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just very few lines like out there's octopus ll. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, she was much more of a villain in the book,

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and this one I think they kind of lightened her up.

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she was the way she was, which is her father

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was the one that James Bond had. I guess he

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allowed him to commit suic He's a bad guy that

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James Bond allowed to commit suicide.

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Speaker 2: But he was thankful for that, so thankful that she

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threw herself at him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she saves him several times during that deal.

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She's you know, they're in bed and then all of

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a sudden, there's a dripping buzzsob yo yo about to

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take your head off. That was a really memorable moment

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for me as a kid. And then of course shortly thereafter,

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you and everybody's running in. You know, you get the

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girls in the The Incredibles uniform. It's what they look like,

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Natalie just to shoot off the bad guys. But then

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that guy gets his head smashed through the tank and

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gets the octopus on its face just like Alien. I mean,

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it just looked like, oh my gosh, guys, come on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that blue ring octopus was the really the main

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bad guy. And then you have those ridiculous knive throwing twins. Yeah,

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you have Stephen Berkhoff, who plays General Orloff. He you

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might remember is was in Rambo and Beverly Hills Cop.

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He's kind of known during this stretched time as playing

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a great bad guy.

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Speaker 1: So this is interesting. So there's the actor VJ. In

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the movie. The character VJ is played by an actor

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VJ Amritrage. I believe is how you pronounced his last name.

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But he had been he'd been a tennis player before this, right,

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he was a professional tennis player, And so you've got

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some tennis jokes in there, like when the things are

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being thrown somehow he gets a tennis racket and knocks

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it away. But he had he'd been a tennis player

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and hadn't gotten his SAG card yet. His screen actors

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guilt card yet, and so they weren't gonna let him

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do the movie. And so Kubby Broccley calls in a

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favor to Leonard Goldberg, who is the producer of Fantasy Island.

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There it is, Hey, there we go all connected, and

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gets him a guest spot on Fantasy Island. And that

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was enough to get him a SAG card and then

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he could go and be in this movie.

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Speaker 2: That's cool. That's cool. Yeah, I'm want to talk about

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Magda for just a second.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: She's played by Christina Wayburne. She's kind of the red

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haired girl that Bond seduces earlier in the movie. She

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steals the Faberge egg from him and it makes this

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sort of dramatic exit. She ties a sash around the

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balcony and then falls over backwards and spirals down using

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her dress essentially to escape, right right. Really cool stunt

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and that actress actually did that. Oh wow, it's really cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she didn't do much else. Like she was on mcguiver,

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she was on air Wolf. She became one of the eighties.

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You're in this TV show for an episode or two.

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Speaker 2: A team has to be in there somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Probably probably so.

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Speaker 2: So you also have Lois Maxwell as Miss Moneypenny.

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Speaker 1: Just another side note. When Lois Maxwell met Ian Fleming

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back in the day when she was first cast, he

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started talking to her about how she was the perfect

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choice there at this kind of cocktail party and he's

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like and she's like, well, what do you mean And

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he's like, well, just the air of sophistication with full

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and luscious lips. And she was like, oh really and

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kind of leans in a little bit, and she said,

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should I say cheese or dunes? And he said runes

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and she said they were about to guess she was

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ready for the kiss. And then his wife walked and said,

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what you doing?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that's the cast of Octopusy. That of course

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leaves out Roger Moore, which we're going to hold until

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the end. So let's put back to Never Say Never again.

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Let's talk about the cast and never Say Never again.

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Speaker 1: Before we get started the cast the fight sequences. Do

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you know who they hired to be the trainer for

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the fight sequences in this movie?

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Speaker 2: I do know, but give it to me.

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Speaker 1: A young Steven Segal who broke Sean Connery's wrist.

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Speaker 2: I heard this. He was on the Tonight Show talking

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about this. You know, they were training and Steven Skull

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got him just right, and he's like, dang, that hurt.

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He didn't realize it for like ten years later. It

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was just kind of had a constant risk pain and

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it was all the way back to that incident Steven

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Skull broke Sean Connery's wrist. Okay, so because Sean Connery

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had so much creative input on this movie, he had

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the final say on a lot of these actors. Kim

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basing her plays Domino Patacci. She was actually recommended by

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Conrie's wife. She met her at a dinner party. She's

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an up becoming actress. She hadn't really quite broken it

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big yet, and Conrie's wife thought she'd be perfect for

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the part.

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Speaker 1: She'd actually been asked to be a Bond girl before,

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but was afraid of what kind of corner that would

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paint her in and turned it down. But then by

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nineteen eighty two she was like, Okay, I haven't made

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it big yet. I'm gonna go ahead and do this

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and get some public exposure. And it definitely worked out

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for her.

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Speaker 2: For me, She's always going to be Vicky Vail from Batman,

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eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, yeah, okay, I'm gonna not go ahead

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and a half weeks nine and a half weeks.

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Speaker 2: So a rumor has it that Kim Basinger was a

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holy terror on this set, like nobody could get along

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with her. She hated everyone, She didn't socialize, everybody hated her.

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Then you also have Klaus Maria Brandauer, who played Maximilian Largo.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was Phil Collins. No, I'm just kidding.

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He thought that. When I was a kid, I was like,

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is that Phil Collins? And then I saw him in Buster.

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I was like, I guess it was Phil Collins. No,

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he's okay, he I don't know. He just doesn't He

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didn't strike fear into my heart. I guess him and

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the and the video game face off. It was all

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just kind of dumb to me.

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Speaker 2: We have to talk about the video game. Should we

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do it now or should we wait?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Largo and Bond meet together in this high falutin five

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star fancy casino and they're gonna play this video game

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called Domination, which is it's a really effective scene in

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the movie. If they lose, they get electric shocks from

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the from the game. Itself. But the funny thing to

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me is, right before they sit down to play the game,

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bond is walking around the casino and stumbles into an

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old school arcade and then they have like fifteen centipede

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stand up video games all over the place.

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Speaker 1: Beth is, probably it wasn't too far off of the

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truth of what was really going on in some of

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the bigger casinos out there. I mean, we're talking about

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nineteen I mean this the movie came out in eighty three,

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but we're talking about nineteen eighty two. The year before that,

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you had Galagha come out, you had Donkey Kong Junior

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come out, you had Quicks come out, you had Missus

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pac Man come out. I mean, if there was an

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arcade video game peak climax, I bet that was it.

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Speaker 2: You're probably right, You're probably right. By the way, it's

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miss pac Man.

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Speaker 1: Did I send Missus? That's all right, it's very not politically.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Okay. And they hired Max von Sidou to play Blofeld,

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which he doesn't do very much. He's not in it

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very often.

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Speaker 1: But but what a great bad guy he is.

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Speaker 2: He plays Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't look like that when

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he played Jesus. I mean, he looked much better back then.

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But let's not forget he was improvorming.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, cue the flash music right now.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I've done that already. Have I done

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that already? You did? I did?

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is who I really want to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Oh so, yeah, there's the Timothy Dalton connection. I was like,

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why did I do that? Oh? Yes, because Timothy Dalton

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was Barren in Flash Gordon.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's it, all right. So Barbara Carrera plays

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Fatima Blush. She is a former Playboy model. She was

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asked to play the character Oxposy. She turned it down

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for a chance to work with Sean Connery, and we talked,

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this is the type of woman that you're like, I'm

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ninety nine percent sure she wants to kill me, but

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I still want to sleep with her. She's beautiful, she's sexy,

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she's deadly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and her end scene, like her death scene, is

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so much better than her counterpart in Thunderball. I mean

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I in Thunderball, he just uses her as a human

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shield when the assassin is trying to shoot him from

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behind the musicians. But oh my gosh, when she's going

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on her really nutty rant, and then he manages to

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pull out the exploding bomb pen that he has and

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then in her rant, he shoots her and it doesn't detonate.

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She starts laughing and then boom and nothing's left but

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her shoes. That's one of the best endings to a

467
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Bad Bond girl I've ever seen.

468
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Speaker 2: That's my favorite scene in the whole movie. And here's

469
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the deal. She's got the drop on him with the gun. Right, Okay,

470
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,960
there's this huge motorcycle chase that's really awesome. She finally

471
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gets him, she's got the drop on him.

472
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Speaker 1: She has him write it out that she was the

473
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best he ever had. That's a random it's so dumb.

474
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Speaker 2: Write this down, I James Bond W seven.

475
00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:07,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there was this girl from Philadelphia. I

476
00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:09,680
loved it. I loved it.

477
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Speaker 2: And you're right. When he hits her with that Bazuka pen,

478
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it's a just boom and she actually fires back. She

479
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,279
misses him just barely, and then she explodes, and it's great.

480
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,720
What a great does Sie. A couple of other people

481
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we need to talk about. Bernie Casey plays Felix Lighter, right,

482
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which he that is the same guy who plays mister

483
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,880
Ryan from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.

484
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Speaker 1: Right, the history teacher, and he's also the training ops

485
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guy for spies like us. And so this movie's got

486
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Roan Atkinson in his first feature film performance.

487
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Speaker 2: Yes, he plays Nigel Small Fuscet.

488
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Speaker 1: Oh, the names are just so so subtle, so subtlet

489
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and then of course he goes on to you know,

490
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he's mister Bean. He's got all kinds of success in

491
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various roles. But one of the most memorable in relation

492
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to this is, of course Johnny English.

493
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Speaker 2: I love Johnny English. My kids think that it is

494
00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:07,119
one of the funniest movies ever.

495
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Speaker 1: And one of the taglines on one of the posters

496
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was the little brother of James Bond.

497
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Speaker 2: Nice. The last one I want to talk about is

498
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Valerie Leone. She plays quote the lady in the Bahamas.

499
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This is the girl who is fishing while Bond is

500
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wrestling sharks and her lure comes by. He grabs the

501
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lure and she reels him into the boat. He's got

502
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this weird scuba gear outfit on, and so the next

503
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scene he's wearing her overalls. So seeing Sean Connery in

504
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overalls a little hard for me to take.

505
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Speaker 1: Oh, I guess yes, we can't leave out of the cast.

506
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The guy who's always in the fight with our action

507
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hero mister pat Roach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, who, if.

509
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Speaker 1: You don't know, is the guy who played the big

510
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german in Raiders of the Lost Arc who is fighting

511
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with Indiana Jones. He also plays the guy with his

512
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arms on fire at the earlier scene, the Nepalese guy

513
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fighting with Indiana Jones. He ends up fighting obviously with

514
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James Bond here, and he was also the guy in

515
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Temple of Doom who gets the rock dropped on his head.

516
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Speaker 2: Maure Yeah. He and Bond have this really great fight

517
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,119
scene at the spa where Bond is there getting in

518
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shape and they're wrestling and fighting and you know, he's

519
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:28,720
whooping Bond, He's throwing them all over the place. And

520
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they go and they ended up in this room where

521
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Bond picks up this glass and it's got this unknown

522
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substance in there, and he throws it and splashes it

523
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in the guy's eyes and as he's like screaming about

524
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,039
you think it's acid, he Bond looks at it and says,

525
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James Bond, you'urine sample? This is kind of funny scene.

526
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But the thing that kills him is he backs into

527
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all these glass glasses that kind of stab him in

528
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the back. But that whole scene I thought was great.

529
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So for me, Never Say Never Again has the stronger cast.

530
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I think Barbara Carrera steal the show. She's way more

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formidable than any villain in Oxposy.

532
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. I think that probably the

533
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stronger cast members are gonna be a Never Say Never Again.

534
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Speaker 2: I agreed, all right, D So let's let's compare gadgets

535
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from these two movies real quick. And Never Say Never Again.

536
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You've got the laser watch, and you've got the super

537
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:23,240
cool rocket motorcycle that Q gives to Bond. Right In Oxpossy,

538
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you've got the TV watch.

539
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Speaker 1: You've got the TV watch, and you've got the pen

540
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that shoots acid.

541
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Speaker 2: You also have the giant Union Jack hot air balloon.

542
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Speaker 1: It's infamous, maybe the best Bond vehicle that has ever been.

543
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I don't know.

544
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Speaker 2: He show us up, check me out, can't miss me

545
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,240
coming in to help. I'm not covert at all.

546
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Speaker 1: Right, the whoever makes those how it should have really

547
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,440
ended things at the end of that movie would have

548
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,359
been like what the heck is that shoot that down? Boom? Okay,

549
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,160
movies over all, right, move on.

550
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Speaker 2: One of the coolest though from Octopusy, Bond travels around

551
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,319
in the submarine that looks like an alligator. That's it's

552
00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:08,720
pretty sweet. Okay, So not much on gadgets, but other

553
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:12,279
than the really cool early version of the Apple Watch

554
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that Bond has an.

555
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Speaker 1: Octoposit Seko TV they actually these were real things. It

556
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,279
was black and white. It wasn't color, and I'm pretty

557
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,480
sure that the cleavage shot would have been much more

558
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pixelated than it appeared in the movie. But there was

559
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a black and white TV watch that existed at that time.

560
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Speaker 2: We keep mentioning the cleavage shot. Let's talk about that

561
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:34,559
for just a second, okay, because it is so silly.

562
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like if if my if my fifth

563
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:44,400
grader did that, I'd be like, you are grounded? What

564
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:46,039
were you thinking?

565
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Speaker 2: Okay? For those who don't remember, when he Bond is

566
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meeting with Q and they're looking at all these gadgets,

567
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Bond finds a video camera that's hooked up to a

568
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TV console and he zooms in on this girl's cleavage,

569
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kind of going in out like a like a goofy

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teenager would, and then he just.

571
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Speaker 1: Leaves it there. It's just you're just watching like four

572
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screens of boobs for the next two minutes of the scene.

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Here are a couple of things that are interesting about

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Never Say Never Again. Number one, this was the last

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film where Sean Connery was clean shaven, and thank thank goodness,

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and I think it was the last one where he

577
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wore the hair piece. I mean, it was just like,

578
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,920
you're just trying too hard to look like you did

579
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twenty years ago. So good job on that. You still

580
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:31,400
are a sexy man with your gray beard and your

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bald head. Everybody loves you like that, so he's stuck

582
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with that. This is the only Double O seven movie

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that was directed by an American. It was directed by

584
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Irvin Kirshner, who we talked about was also the director

585
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of Empire Strikes Back. But it wasn't the first time

586
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that Irvin Kershner had worked with Sean Connery. He had

587
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also worked with him in nineteen sixty six on a

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movie called A Fine Madness.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is super interesting. I think I think I'm

590
00:30:58,359 --> 00:30:59,960
gonna blow your mind on this. You ready for this?

591
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

592
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,519
Speaker 2: Okay, Largo's ship in the movie is called the Flying Saucer. Okay,

593
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:08,920
from the book, it's called the disco Valante, which means

594
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flying saucer. So they just kind of americanized it. But

595
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it was a super yacht. It was called Kingdom five

596
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:18,599
k R. The closing credits include the line thanks a

597
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k that refers to Adnam Koshagi, the Saudi arms dealer

598
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who allowed them to film aboard his two hundred and

599
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,519
eighty foot yacht. He later sold the yacht to drum

600
00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:37,559
roll Donald Trump, whoa who renamed it the Trump Princess.

601
00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:40,519
That is no joke. It's currently owned by somebody else,

602
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but still.

603
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. This was the last movie to feature

604
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:51,079
Specter until twenty fifteen, when Daniel Craig's Spector Bond movie

605
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came out.

606
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Speaker 2: Short side story, I remember going and waiting in line

607
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:56,759
at the movie theater. I'm ten years old, and the

608
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movie people come out to say the seven to fifteen

609
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,400
movie of ok Pussy has sold out. Right, These teenagers

610
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,920
behind me are like, octa what, Octa what? And my

611
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,079
Dad's like if you ever act that way in public? Okay,

612
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:21,599
So all right, what tidbits do you have on Octopussy.

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Speaker 1: So the Faberge egg is the same faberge egg that

614
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appears in Ocean's twelve and the scenes we talked about

615
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,799
the stunt scenes, you know, where that he's hanging onto

616
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a plane and he's hanging onto a train. The stunt

617
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,880
man who was who was actually doing the part of

618
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,359
hanging onto the train got seriously injured. The train went

619
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further than it was supposed to and he smashed into

620
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some pylons and had significant damage to his leg and

621
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a hip. He was in the hospital for months but

622
00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:55,039
made a full recovery. And then also the actor who

623
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:57,960
had our Yo Yo Buzzsaw broke his arm when he

624
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,759
fell over the balcony onto octop Pussy's bed, but he

625
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:03,759
he didn't stop filming like he broke his arm, and

626
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:06,599
they finished all of the scenes in that in that movie.

627
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Speaker 2: Nice, good for ye. All right, here's something I got

628
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,359
on Octopusy. During filming, Roger Moore was misdiagnosed with heart problems.

629
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When he got home, maud Adams had her boyfriend who

630
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was a doctor at the time, gave him a second

631
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,359
opinion and pronounced him medically fit.

632
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Speaker 1: We listened to the soundtrack show right yep. And you

633
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,240
remember what diegetic music is. Do you remember what that is? Yeah?

634
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you hear that the characters here as well.

635
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:34,839
Speaker 1: Yes, So this is the only movie that James Bond

636
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,839
actually hears the James Bond tune in and it's you know,

637
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:42,480
it's being played by VJ at the beginning of octopusy

638
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And not only does he hear it, he recognizes, which

639
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:49,720
is how did he know what his theme music is?

640
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That's kind of cool.

641
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: So they had a couple of little things like that.

642
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:57,599
Here's an interesting tidbit that I found fascinating. So we

643
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,920
already talked about how Sean Connery and Roger Moore were Yes,

644
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:04,359
Son Connery wanted a closing scene of the movie to

645
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,800
be him walking down the street, him bumping into a person, right,

646
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and it turns out that that person is Roger Moore,

647
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and they both kind of turn and look at the

648
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camera and smirk and kind of go their separate ways.

649
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But as cool as that would have been, Kubby Brocker,

650
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there's no way he's going to.

651
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,559
Speaker 1: Go for that, right, Yeah, So what you got instead

652
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,599
was the one time in all of the Bond movies

653
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,280
where James Bond breaks the fourth wall. Right at the end,

654
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,280
you know, gives that little look to the camera. I

655
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,519
love what when they break the fourth wall. It's very

656
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:37,320
inclusive of the audience, you know, yeah, Allah Bert Reynolds,

657
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,480
a lah Eddie Murphy. So, of course, while they're making

658
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these movies, this is a UK production for both movies,

659
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and they're making the movies at the same time. And

660
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sure enough in London, Roger Moore runs into Sean Connery

661
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and these guys are buddies. I mean they are friends.

662
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They've been friends for twenty years at this point, and

663
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,280
so they run into each other outside of a hotel

664
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room as the movies are being made, and Sean Connery

665
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:05,480
is talking to him and he says, so where are

666
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,840
you headed? And Roger Moore is like, wow, I'm going

667
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,599
to this awful little town south of London to shoot

668
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:15,519
some of some country scenes, which is which is the Cuban.

669
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Speaker 2: Part right right?

670
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,039
Speaker 1: And then Roger Moore is like, so where are you going.

671
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He's like, I'm going to the south of France. Oh, okay,

672
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,320
Sean Connery, where are you going after you shoot south

673
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,280
of London? He's like India? And Sean Connery is like oh,

674
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,960
and Roger Moore's like, where are you going. He's like,

675
00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:38,039
you're going to Bahamas? All right, then good luck with

676
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your movie.

677
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a great time. We talked about this

678
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,519
a little bit the other night. When you are playing Texas,

679
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:46,559
Hold Him, yeah, you've got pocket eights.

680
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:50,119
Speaker 1: Jason and I were playing Texas Hold Him literally two

681
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,840
nights ago, and at some point I had a pair

682
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,559
of eights and I showed him to Jason and I said,

683
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:58,400
you know what this is? He says, yes, I do.

684
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: Pocket eights are known as an octopussy.

685
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: By the way, that one comes up in Casino Royale

686
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,159
when they're playing Texas hold Them at the table. Daniel

687
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:11,119
Craik's character has pocket eights and so weeks octopussy hand. Yeah.

688
00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: I love it when they give a little wink to

689
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:14,639
other Bond movies like that.

690
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely so. During during the filming of this, there was

691
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a young production assistant whose job it was to drive

692
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:27,559
Roger Moore around and he was petrified that he was

693
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going to mess something up or get in a wreck

694
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and kill Sir Roger Moore. And at some point he

695
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:38,679
was being so careful that more you know, tipped his

696
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,400
paper down from the back and said, you can go

697
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:48,400
a little bit faster, and that young man went on

698
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:55,719
to have his own catch line, which was because it

699
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,519
was Carrie Elways from Prince's ride Way.

700
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the rest of the story that is awesome. Okay,

701
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,159
here's something I got for you. On Octopussy, the acrostar

702
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,440
plane used in the pre title sequences now hanging from

703
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,679
the ceiling of a restaurant in Clearwater, Florida.

704
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: Cool.

705
00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 2: That would be awesome. I would love to go there

706
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,239
and see that. I think that'd be super cool.

707
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: I wonder if the wings are up or down.

708
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 2: There was a video game called James Bond as seen

709
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,239
in Octopusy, and it was developed by Capcom and Parker

710
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,880
Brothers for this movie in nineteen eighty four. It was

711
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,360
designed for the Atari twenty six hundred.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember seeing that video game.

713
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 2: So it was designed for the Atari's twenty six hundred,

714
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,559
the Atari fifty two hundred, the Commodore sixty four, and

715
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:43,880
Kalico Vision platforms, but it was never released. Oh that's

716
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:49,559
why I don't remember exactly. If it had been, it

717
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:52,840
would have been the first James Bond video game associated

718
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with the title of a Bond movie. All right, let's

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compare bonds and move into final judgment.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Sean Connor cool, sophisticated, manly, funny and brief moments,

721
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,599
but ultimately almost infallible as James Bond.

722
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, I mean, I agree with all of that.

723
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:20,480
And he's tougher, he seems more physical.

724
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: Mm hm.

725
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: I believe him beating bad guys up a whole lot

726
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:25,559
more than I.

727
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:28,159
Speaker 1: Do Roger Moore, or shooting a gun.

728
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,199
Speaker 2: Or running. My gosh, Roger Moore is the slowest runner.

729
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: Well, and Roger Moore as even said this he doesn't

730
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,800
like shooting guns, which is a terrible I mean, it's

731
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,000
a terrible condition to be in if you're gonna be

732
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,480
playing James Bond. He's like, I always blink before I

733
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:48,800
shoot the guns. You see. Roger Moore is definitely funnier.

734
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:52,840
I like his self deprecating sense of humor, but as

735
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,280
smooth as he is, he's just not quite as cool

736
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,639
as Sean Connory. What are you thinking?

737
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,039
Speaker 2: Okay, this is hard for me because I grew up

738
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:05,199
in the seventies with Roger Moore movies. So my heart

739
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,599
says Roger Moore because he is funny, and he is

740
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,679
he is very sophisticated and cool, just not as tough.

741
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,039
I think I favor the Roger Moore move.

742
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:24,679
Speaker 1: It's a hard question, isn't it. It's hard Some people

743
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,079
are so so stuck in their stance on this one.

744
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:29,679
But it is a hard question because we did, we

745
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,960
did grow up with the Roger Moore bond, and so

746
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:35,360
he was kind of bond to us. Going back and

747
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,239
looking at it, he does look a little, for lack

748
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:44,000
of a better word, prissy in certain circumstances. Yeah, so, honestly,

749
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:46,840
here's here is my take on it. Right, I would

750
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:52,440
probably rather watch Roger Moore. Yes, I'd probably rather be

751
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:53,199
Sean Connery.

752
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I go with that. I go with that.

753
00:39:56,159 --> 00:39:58,519
I think in this movie, though he looks a little old,

754
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:01,639
I think they both look old to be to be real,

755
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,079
both world man, both world. And then Roger Moore does

756
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:09,079
another one after this and he looks even older. But uh,

757
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,239
I think I think you're right. I think I enjoy

758
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,039
some of the Roger Moore movies more, but I think

759
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,719
Connore is a better bond. Okay, you made it. You

760
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,519
made a come in a few weeks ago, flashback to

761
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:23,800
our Cannonball Run episode Yeah, you said you enjoyed Roger

762
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,440
Moore and Cannonball Run as and call that one of

763
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,079
his best Bond performances.

764
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,599
Speaker 1: I totally I agree with that. I still agree with

765
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:34,760
that because he was probably cooler in this one and

766
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:37,159
probably cooler in Cannonball Run.

767
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,039
Speaker 2: Okay, let me throw this out there real quick, all right,

768
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:42,400
go ahead, Yeah, I'm with you. And everybody has their

769
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,719
own Bond, and everybody has their own opinion, and and

770
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,719
I know that that Connery is kind of the guy

771
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,440
for for most of our listening audience. You have two

772
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:56,119
of the most uncool scenes with Bond in all of

773
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,639
Bond movies. In both of these movies, Okay, so you

774
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:06,039
have Sean Connery wearing overalls and nothing else, and you

775
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:09,800
have Roger Moore dressed as a clown trying to undo

776
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:10,880
a nuclear bomb.

777
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: So overall, like in all of Bond history, here are

778
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:15,679
you picking?

779
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,039
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I think the best Bond

780
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:18,840
is Daniel Craig.

781
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: I totally agree, There's no question about it. For me,

782
00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:25,480
Daniel Craig is the best Bond that's ever been a Bond.

783
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're I think that's cool that we can

784
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,599
agree on that Daniel Craig is the best Bond. I

785
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:33,519
think the second best Bond is Pierce Brosman.

786
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: Well, Pierce Brosnan kind of wove together the great parts

787
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,199
of Sean Connery and Roger Moore. He was able to

788
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,800
be funny and cool at the same time. He was

789
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,199
able to be self deprecating but wasn't prissy at all.

790
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:52,880
It was yeah, yeah, he was. It was a perfect meld.

791
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,000
It was just he didn't have super great movies. So

792
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,119
the way he played Bond was spot on. That was great.

793
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:02,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And we talked, We talked briefly that he

794
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:10,840
was a great Bond, he just had terrible scripts. Right, Okay,

795
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:14,440
so never say never again versus OCTOPUSY. Which is the

796
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,480
better movie Octopusy?

797
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: Wow?

798
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:19,639
Speaker 2: Wow? Okay.

799
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:23,119
Speaker 1: I I just in going back and like I've already said,

800
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:26,719
I've already said how I feel about the Bonds, and

801
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,039
I talked about the plot points, and I talked about

802
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:33,039
the action that's involved. But it's a more engaging movie.

803
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:35,599
It does move, it moves more quickly, it has more

804
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:42,519
action sequences. The characters to me are more interesting in OCTOPUSY. Yes,

805
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,719
I think that Sean Connery is kind of like Christopher

806
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,119
Reeve he will always be the original Bond, but but

807
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:53,440
never say never again? Was not a great comeback roll

808
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:56,599
for me, for for him. I mean, maybe if he'd

809
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,800
this would have this would have been an interesting idea.

810
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,119
What if he had played the part with his gray

811
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:04,920
beard and his hair piece gone and played it like that,

812
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,719
that might have been more fascinating. But this one, I

813
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,360
just felt like he was trying too hard to beat

814
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,320
the Bond of the sixties in his nearly sixties. I

815
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,079
guess I don't know, you know, it was just okay,

816
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,159
what are your thoughts?

817
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: Well, so I want to love Octopusy? Right, we talked

818
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,559
how for your eyes only? Was my entry. I love

819
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:28,000
that movie. Octopusy comes around and when I see it, honestly,

820
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:30,079
I was disappointed at the movie theater as a kid.

821
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:35,679
It's it's silly, and the clowns and the bad guys

822
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:38,880
aren't very good, and the plot is convoluted.

823
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: You have a yo yo buzzsaw.

824
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: The yo yo buzsaw is pretty cool, and the Alligator

825
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,079
submarine is pretty cool.

826
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: What about the What about the closing when he's flying

827
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,079
in the plane and he's holding on the plane, that's intense.

828
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:53,800
That was cool, awesome scene.

829
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,599
Speaker 2: That was a great scene until the guy says, you

830
00:43:56,639 --> 00:43:59,599
go out there and get him, which is great.

831
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:01,599
Speaker 1: The guy was flying off the edge when he hit

832
00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:06,639
him in the face at the age a.

833
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:09,679
Speaker 2: Great way to go, which that would hurt like crazy man,

834
00:44:10,039 --> 00:44:15,719
oh my nose. So I give the nod to Never

835
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,280
Say Never Again. I think the plot is more interesting.

836
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,559
I think you get bonus points for having a super

837
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:26,559
cool battie. Barbara Carrera kills it as Fatima Blush. I'd

838
00:44:26,639 --> 00:44:29,800
love her in this, so I'd rather have Bahamas and

839
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:30,880
Barbara Carrera.

840
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: Octopusy grossed more in the box office than Never Say

841
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:36,280
Never Again?

842
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: Did it did? So? So Octopusy we talked about had

843
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,960
a budget of twenty seven and a half million dollars

844
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,400
and made one hundred and eighty seven million dollars. Right,

845
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,079
But not only did it make more, but it was

846
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:51,719
more profitable. I'm sorry. The budget for Never Say Never

847
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,440
Again was thirty six million and the box office was

848
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:55,840
one hundred and sixty million.

849
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: Right.

850
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,639
Speaker 2: It'll a big hit, just not quite as big as Octopussy. Right.

851
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:03,559
I think part of that it would have been interesting

852
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:06,199
to me to see how they both would have done

853
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:08,760
if they had both been released in June.

854
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: It has been great to do this again. I can't

855
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,159
wait for next week's episode, which is which is going

856
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:19,840
to be Motley Cruz Doctor Feel Good versus skid Row's

857
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,119
debut album skid Row Man.

858
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: I can't wait for that one. Those are two of

859
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,880
my all time favorites. I have had a great time

860
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,440
getting into these Bond movies, even though they're not the

861
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,360
best of Bonds that the story to me has been

862
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,119
really fascinating. So I hope you've enjoyed this deep dive

863
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:38,320
into what was going on behind the scenes and nineteen

864
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,159
eighty three made for a spectacular year at.

865
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Speaker 1: The box office. If you haven't followed us or liked

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867
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So let other folks know. Jason, catch you next week man.

874
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Speaker 2: All right, man, Thanks a lot.

875
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Speaker 1: Bye. M