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<v Speaker 1>Hi there, Welcome to a Q and A episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Space Nuts. I'm Andrew Dunkley and it's good to have

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<v Speaker 1>your company. As always, We've got a lot of questions today,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're three. We might squeeze in an extra one

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<v Speaker 1>time permitting. We'll just leave that one hanging in the

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<v Speaker 1>ether for the moment. But what would be the effect

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<v Speaker 1>on dark matter if something big exploded, like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know a star. That's a question that has come into us.

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan wants to talk about the Sun's ecliptic. What does

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<v Speaker 1>that mean? I have no idea, but we will will

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<v Speaker 1>answer the question anyway by making something up. And we've

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<v Speaker 1>got a question from James about planetary rings. That's all

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<v Speaker 1>coming up on this Q and a episode of Space

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<v Speaker 1>Nuts fifteen in.

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<v Speaker 2>Channel ten nine ignition.

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<v Speaker 1>Space Nuts or three two Space Nurtes.

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<v Speaker 3>What it feels good? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel good?

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<v Speaker 3>He feels good. We all feel good?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you feel freend.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel terrible? Feel good to It's a feel good show?

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<v Speaker 3>Is space so you can't do anything else?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>The Q and A edition tends to go that way.

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<v Speaker 3>We get all sorts.

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<v Speaker 1>We even get genuine questions sometimes, which is always nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Shall we just go straight for it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we should. I think that's a really good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>And a big hesitation. I was a bit worried there

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<v Speaker 1>for a minute. We'll we'll go to our first question.

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<v Speaker 1>This comes from Damien on the Gold Coast. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about West Africa. We're talking about Southeast Queensland, because

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<v Speaker 1>there's a Gold coast in both places. In regard to

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<v Speaker 1>dark matter, if there's five times the amount of it

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<v Speaker 1>to ordinary matter when Beetlejuice explodes, will the explosion blow

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<v Speaker 1>will blow away the dark matter as well? Would this

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<v Speaker 1>now make the neutron star one fifth of the mass

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<v Speaker 1>until the dark matter returned. That's from Damien on the

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<v Speaker 1>Gold Coast. Interesting question. We don't know much about dark matter,

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<v Speaker 1>but could or would it be affected by something as

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic as Beetlejuice or some other star exploding super novastyle.

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<v Speaker 1>No Ah, that's interesting because I thought the answer would

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<v Speaker 1>be yes.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought you might think that yeah, and it's no.

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<v Speaker 3>That's because dark matter does not interact with normal matter

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<v Speaker 3>at all, except by gravitation, So an explosion blowing things

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<v Speaker 3>away needs a physical push. It's usually a shock wave

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<v Speaker 3>that passes through a medium, and yes, if dark matter

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<v Speaker 3>responded that shock wave would compress the dark matter, you'd

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<v Speaker 3>have all kinds of phenomena. But dark matter doesn't interact

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<v Speaker 3>with normal matter, and so it ignores the explosion completely.

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<v Speaker 3>We know this because of observations that have been made,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think there's at least two examples of this, Andrew,

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<v Speaker 3>where you've got clusters of galaxies which are colliding. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>you can use clusters of galaxies to basically reveal where

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<v Speaker 3>dark matter is in them, because you can look at

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<v Speaker 3>the way the space around them is distorted by gravity

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<v Speaker 3>and the dark matter contributes to that. And the way

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<v Speaker 3>you investigate that distortion of space is by looking at

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<v Speaker 3>distant galaxies beyond. You can look at their shapes and

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<v Speaker 3>you know the extent to which they're twisted or their

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<v Speaker 3>images are twisted, and figure out how much the space

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<v Speaker 3>in front of them is being distorted. And that distortion

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<v Speaker 3>comes from the matter of the galaxy clusters. So to

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<v Speaker 3>come back to the point, as I said, there's at

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<v Speaker 3>least a couple of examples of this where you've got

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<v Speaker 3>two galaxy clusters that have collided and basically ground to

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<v Speaker 3>a halt. Their hydrogen gas that the company's galaxy clusters

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<v Speaker 3>has sort of compressed itself and is excited enough to

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<v Speaker 3>emit radiation in the X rays. But you can sense

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<v Speaker 3>where the dark matter clouds that originally accompanied these galaxy

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<v Speaker 3>clusters have gone, and it turns out that they just

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<v Speaker 3>carry on going without batting an eyelid. So what you've

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<v Speaker 3>got is basically a cluster which is formed of two

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<v Speaker 3>clusters coming into collision. On either side of it, you've

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<v Speaker 3>as though nothing had happened. And so that's an extraordinary

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<v Speaker 3>example that illustrates very cogently that we don't see any

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<v Speaker 1>Ah Okay, I'm surprised. I thought I thought the two

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<v Speaker 1>potential answers were yes or we don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's pretty well known, and it's because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's if there was a reaction. If something did happen,

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<v Speaker 3>that will be great because we're able to detect the

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<v Speaker 3>dark matter and have a much better idea of what

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<v Speaker 3>it is than we have now. So, Damien, your question

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<v Speaker 3>is a good one, but has perhaps a surprising answer.

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<v Speaker 1>HM, okay, very interesting. All right, thanks Damien. Let's move

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<v Speaker 1>on to a next question, which comes from Ryan.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey guys, it's Ryan here from town in Delaware, voted

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<v Speaker 2>Delaware's third most okay as town.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a quick question for you.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about how the Sun revolves or orbits

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<v Speaker 2>but I was wondering about our ecliptic in regards to

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<v Speaker 2>how the Sun is moving around the galaxy. Are we

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<v Speaker 2>orbiting the Sun like a you know, hoop around a

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<v Speaker 2>dancer as they go around. Are we orbiting more like

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<v Speaker 2>a halo around the Sun as we move around? What

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<v Speaker 2>is our orientation of the ecliptic as it pertains to

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<v Speaker 2>the Sun's orbit around our galaxy? Thanks a lot, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>keep up the great work.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Rian, and I hope you're enjoying being number

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<v Speaker 1>three most Okay town. I can tell you with absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>certainly THEO wouldn't write in the top three of anything

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<v Speaker 1>in this country. We cop a lot of stick from

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<v Speaker 1>the media, probably because of the name of our town.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very unfair and they're all wrong. But it's good

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<v Speaker 1>to be number three. Now I might get here or

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<v Speaker 1>explained for it, just to we sort of get our

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<v Speaker 1>heads around it. Does How does the Sun's orbit work

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<v Speaker 1>on a galactic level?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a great question and it's got a great

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<v Speaker 3>answer as well, which is sixty two degrees thirty six minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, yeah, So that's the angle that the Sun's

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<v Speaker 3>path around the around the galaxy, around the center of

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<v Speaker 3>the galaxy. That's the angle it makes with the equator,

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<v Speaker 3>the equator of the Earth. So let me just step

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<v Speaker 3>back a bit because that, you know, the end of

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan's question was what's the orientation, and that's the answer,

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<v Speaker 3>sixty two degrees thirty six minutes. But we don't call

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<v Speaker 3>it the ecliptic for the galaxy. So remembering that the

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<v Speaker 3>ecliptic as seen from the Earth, is the path of

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<v Speaker 3>the Earth's axis of rotation is not perpendicular to the

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<v Speaker 3>plane of its orbit. It's not standing upright in its

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<v Speaker 3>orbit at twenty three and a half degrees. So that's

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<v Speaker 3>the ecliptic, as we call it, and it's the apparent

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<v Speaker 3>path of the Sun through the sky. Of course, it's

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<v Speaker 3>the Earth actually moving around the Sun, but that's what

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<v Speaker 3>we see now. In a similar fashion, we can think

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<v Speaker 3>about the path of the galactic center through the sky

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<v Speaker 3>as the Solar system moves around the center of our galaxy.

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<v Speaker 3>The difficulty with this is that it takes two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>million years to go around once, and so you don't

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<v Speaker 3>see it every year like you do with the eclipsic,

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<v Speaker 3>see the Sun going around every year. But we do

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<v Speaker 3>know that the Sun's path is fairly near what we

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<v Speaker 3>call the plane of the Milky Way galaxy, basically the disc,

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<v Speaker 3>the plane in which the disc of the galaxy lies.

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<v Speaker 3>The Sun's path is fairly close to that. It may

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<v Speaker 3>wabble a little bit up and down as it goes

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<v Speaker 3>around the galactic center. There may be disturbances caused by

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<v Speaker 3>giant molecular clouds and things like that as it passes,

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<v Speaker 3>but we know from the observations of the stars around

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<v Speaker 3>us that those are not particularly high level disturbances. The

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<v Speaker 3>thing is really going around mostly along the galactic plane,

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<v Speaker 3>and so what that means is that you can define

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<v Speaker 3>the angle that that makes with the equator of the Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's what I said, sixty two degrees thirty six minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>So the Milky Way is tilted over at quite a

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<v Speaker 3>high angle compared with the Ecliptic, which is tilted over

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<v Speaker 3>at quite a small angle twenty three and a half degrees.

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<v Speaker 3>And in a way, you know, if you imagine the

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<v Speaker 3>way the Earth is the or sorry some and its

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<v Speaker 3>family of planets as they progress around their path around

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<v Speaker 3>the center of the galaxy, they're not lying in the

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<v Speaker 3>same plane as that path. They're sort of tilted upwards

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<v Speaker 3>to it at you know, quite quite a steep angle.

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<v Speaker 3>And so that's how the Sun and its planets move

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<v Speaker 3>around the center of the galaxy. It's not, as Ryan conjectured,

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<v Speaker 3>is not sort of moving around the halo of the

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<v Speaker 3>galaxy or anything like that. It is sitting firmly in

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<v Speaker 3>the plane. It's just an ordinary star in the main

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<v Speaker 1>Way, and it's doing what billions of other stars are doing,

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<v Speaker 1>and our planets are doing what billions upon billions of

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<v Speaker 1>planets are doing throughout galaxy. And it's just going around

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<v Speaker 1>and around. It's a slow motion dance that's happening fast

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<v Speaker 1>more or less frost motion dance that's happening slowly, which

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<v Speaker 1>could be both. It's all relative. Okay, thank you, Ryan.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Space Nuts Andrew Dunkley here with Professor Fred Watson.

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<v Speaker 1>Space Nuts. Now we've got a question from James Shalom Gents.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, I've got a question regarding planets with rings.

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<v Speaker 1>Could there be a planet with multiple sets of rings

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<v Speaker 1>that are different to each other. I'm envisioning something like

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<v Speaker 1>rings wrapping around an equator from gravity as per usual,

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<v Speaker 1>but some other materials possibly being caught in the north

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<v Speaker 1>to south magnetic field at a larger smaller diameter than

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<v Speaker 1>the equatorial rings. Thanks for entertaining my nonsense, James Greenfield,

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<v Speaker 1>It's not nonsense. It's a question and it deserves and answer. James.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to tackle that one right now. Most rings,

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<v Speaker 1>like the ones around Saturn, which are the most prominent

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<v Speaker 1>in our Solar system, are made up of dust and

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<v Speaker 1>rocks and ice and bits and bobs. So what else

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<v Speaker 1>could they be made off? For him?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yes, so it would be debris of some sort

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<v Speaker 3>or other gas dust. I think James's question.

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<v Speaker 1>I know the rings around Earth which are made of metal.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right, they are, and they go around the

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<v Speaker 3>equator as well, like the rings of Saturn, like the

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<v Speaker 3>rings of Uranus and Jupiter and Neptune. So I think

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<v Speaker 3>James's question is, you know, could could there be rings

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<v Speaker 3>that go at a different angle from the equator of

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<v Speaker 3>other planet? And the answer is probably no, because this

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<v Speaker 3>debris tends to be squashed down into a disc. In

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<v Speaker 3>the case of Saturn, it is mostly ice, icy debris.

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<v Speaker 3>A bit of rock in it as well, but mostly ice,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's squashed down just by gravitational forces in connection

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<v Speaker 3>with the rotation of the planet, So it tends to

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<v Speaker 3>be forced into the equator of the planet. So a

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<v Speaker 3>ring that's tilted at some jaunty angle a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>like what we've just been talking about with the disc

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<v Speaker 3>of the galaxy, that is I think highly unlikely to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Even if you envisiit ship being entrapped with magnetic fields

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<v Speaker 3>and things of that sort. I think we'd be struggling

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<v Speaker 3>equator of a planetry body.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so no one both counts. It's probably not going

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<v Speaker 1>to ever be made of anything else. And it's probably

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<v Speaker 3>Equatorial Yeah, that's right, rotation an equatorial plane.

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<v Speaker 1>Plane, that's the word I want to that's when you

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<v Speaker 1>think of it. So yeah, sorry, James, good good idea,

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<v Speaker 1>but not likely. Now have we got time for one more?

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon we could squeeze one more in.

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<v Speaker 3>Fred, Yes, yes, we can be quick on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, let's be quick on this one. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>and best wishes to you both. A couple of questions

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<v Speaker 1>about solar activity? One? What are the differences between solar

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<v Speaker 3>Two?

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<v Speaker 1>What predisposes red dwarf stars to the outbursts of solar

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<v Speaker 1>activity that would seem to challenge development of life on

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<v Speaker 1>planets in their solar systems. Thank you for the answers,

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<v Speaker 1>and thanks for very much for a terrific podcast. You

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<v Speaker 1>guys are stars. Bob Mark from Bloomington, Indie.

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<v Speaker 3>And a.

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<v Speaker 1>Question one, what's the difference between solar flares and coronal

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<v Speaker 1>mass ejections?

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<v Speaker 3>Thread, So it's mostly a much of degree, I think

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<v Speaker 3>the you know, the physical processes are different. A solar

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<v Speaker 3>flare is something that is generated by magnetic activity, tends

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<v Speaker 3>to come from sun spot regions when you know there's

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<v Speaker 3>a high level of magnetic activity there. And we think

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<v Speaker 3>of the magnetic field lines stretching between sun spots which

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<v Speaker 3>come in pairs, and one has a northern polarity and

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<v Speaker 3>one has a southern magnetic polarity. So when they are

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<v Speaker 3>particularly energetic, then you get solar flares. I think I'm

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<v Speaker 3>right in saying that coronal mass ejections start off the

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<v Speaker 3>same way. But if you get these magnetic field lines

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<v Speaker 3>breaking so that there is a kind of magnetic twang,

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<v Speaker 3>what you get is matter mass actually being expelled outwards

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<v Speaker 3>at a great velocity. It's almost like an elastic and

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<v Speaker 3>breaking on the gigantic scale, and that gives you a

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<v Speaker 3>significant ejection of material. That's a significant rejection of the

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<v Speaker 3>sub atomic particles which are there all the time in

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<v Speaker 3>this in the excuse me, in the solar wind. But

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<v Speaker 3>with a mass ejection, you're getting a very much enhanced

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<v Speaker 3>level of this subatomic particle is being ejected from the Sun.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing that worries people around the world

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of the interference with electronics, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>the beautiful auror ray that we see in the north

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<v Speaker 1>and south of the of the planet. There's pros and

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<v Speaker 1>cons to coronal mass ejections, but with reliance on electronics,

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<v Speaker 1>that's becoming an area of concern. Well, it's not becoming.

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<v Speaker 1>It is an area of concern if we get hit

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<v Speaker 1>directly by something super nasty like that for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's correct. So the second part of Mark's question

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<v Speaker 3>is a good one, and it's right that red dwarfs

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<v Speaker 3>are much more active on this sort of scale. We

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<v Speaker 3>know that they are more you know, the outbursts of

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<v Speaker 3>sub atomic particles are much more prevalent, and I think,

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<v Speaker 3>thinking back to my studies of stellar evolution and things

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<v Speaker 3>of that sort, these stars have star spots on them

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<v Speaker 3>which are huge. They are very large compared with the

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<v Speaker 3>star itself, and I think that might be the one

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<v Speaker 3>of the reasons why you've got much more activity, because

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<v Speaker 3>they have enormous star spots on them. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 3>I was just talking only today to a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>my colleagues who are the experts on exactly that in

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<v Speaker 3>this country at the University of Southern Queensland, Brad Carter

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<v Speaker 3>and Stephen Marsden. They did research on this and I've

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<v Speaker 3>worked with him in the past on it. They can

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<v Speaker 3>actually map where these star spots are on stars. They

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<v Speaker 3>do it with a technique called ZAM and Doppler imaging,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a fairly esoteric technique but allows you to

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<v Speaker 3>make maps of the surface of stars, and their Red

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<v Speaker 3>dwarfs have got very big star spots, which I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>is why you get big, big solar flares. Now, Mark's

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<v Speaker 3>next question, if he was able to talk to us,

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<v Speaker 3>will be why do they have such big star spots.

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<v Speaker 3>The answer to that is, well, I'll go and ask

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<v Speaker 3>my colleagues because I don't know the answer to that,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's totally something in the evil.

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<v Speaker 1>That bloke you were talking about, Samon Doppler, he might know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's two blocks actually hair Doppler, And yeah, it would

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<v Speaker 3>be hair as well as Emma was Dutch, So there

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<v Speaker 3>you go.

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<v Speaker 1>It was probably the big spot that are causing red

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<v Speaker 1>doors to be so nasty, so their planets where it's

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<v Speaker 1>very difficult to establish life. By the sound of it,

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about that before. That's probably what prompted the

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<v Speaker 1>question from Mars. I'm sure a good question too. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds great and great to talk to you as always,

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