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<v Speaker 1>Twenty five years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>This year, I had met Bobby Hamilton from the GCBO

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<v Speaker 2>of the year before, and we're at this piece of

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<v Speaker 2>property in Polk County, Texas that there have been some

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<v Speaker 2>activity he was investigating.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, we know what we're gonna do.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just gonnasider here on a campfire and listened tonight

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<v Speaker 2>about ten o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>We hear this.

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<v Speaker 2>Type sound moan off to like, you know, be like

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<v Speaker 2>oh like to the left of the campfire. And then

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<v Speaker 2>about midnight it was directly in front of us, and

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<v Speaker 2>it had circled us almost perfectly.

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<v Speaker 1>By about two or three am, four o'clock, we had

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<v Speaker 1>to leave.

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby had to go somewhere. We had to go somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>We had two hours to drive home. Bobby had an

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<v Speaker 2>hour to drive home. We put all our gear up,

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<v Speaker 2>our guns up, our lights up, and then all heilbron loose.

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<v Speaker 1>This thing started growling.

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<v Speaker 2>Guttural, deep growls, and my dad, who was there with me,

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<v Speaker 2>literally grabbed me and he goes, that's what we heard

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<v Speaker 2>when you're a little kid.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the same sound we had heard when.

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<v Speaker 2>I was little kid, and at that moment I knew

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<v Speaker 2>that whatever this was was a real thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I would like to welcome Chester to the show. Chester Man,

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<v Speaker 3>thanks for joining me, Chester Moore. You have been in

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<v Speaker 3>the same circles as me forever. I actually remember, at

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<v Speaker 3>least I think I do. I think it was the

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<v Speaker 3>second annual Jefferson Bigfoot Conference meeting you and your father. Yep,

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<v Speaker 3>me and dad.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad was definitely when he was alive. He was

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<v Speaker 2>always with me at those events.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Is he the one that kind of got you

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<v Speaker 3>into the whole bigfoot thing?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think we probably got into it together,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I was a little kid. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess he did, because he showed me the Argacy magazine

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<v Speaker 2>with the Patterson Gimwin pictures in it. Yeah, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's my first memory of uh. He had had you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at that point it had been out for five or

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<v Speaker 2>six years, seven years or whatever, but he had a

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<v Speaker 2>copy of it and he had got and showed me.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's my first real life bigfoot memory.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So Dad probably was. Dad was probably the blame. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, you're all over the place whenever it comes to

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<v Speaker 3>just wildlife, wildlife, conservation journalism. A man of many hats,

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<v Speaker 3>let's I kind of you know, cheated and went on

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<v Speaker 3>your Facebook and was looking at the different things you've got.

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<v Speaker 3>The co founder of the King Dam Zoo Wildlife Center, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, that's where I'm at right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Seems like a really awesome thing. We'll talk about that

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<v Speaker 3>in a second. Editor in chief of Texas Fishing Game Magazine,

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<v Speaker 3>founder of Higher Calling Wildlife and Gulf Great White Sharks.

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<v Speaker 3>Something else we're going to talk about. And of course

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<v Speaker 3>the host and creator of Dark Outdoors podcast Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Baby and going weekly on February twenty fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>With that one.

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<v Speaker 2>So I do wear many bandanas or beanies pretty much.

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say, Man, being down in Texas and everything,

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<v Speaker 3>I've never seen you wearing the customary crinkled up black

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<v Speaker 3>leather cowboy hat.

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<v Speaker 2>Well here's a funny story. My good friends Lyle and

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<v Speaker 2>Ken both have that style. I never had the leather one,

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<v Speaker 2>but I did wear like a black like kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a weird material cowboy hat back in the day in

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<v Speaker 2>my band early days in my band Freak thirteen, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just kind of abandoned it because I ended up

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<v Speaker 2>wearing a bandanna or something or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And so even even I have a black cowboy hat

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<v Speaker 1>tie into my good friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think it's mandatory, especially done there in Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>He handles out at birth, the Marco sasquatch guy. They

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<v Speaker 1>handles out at birth in Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>So first off, Kingdom Zoo Wildlife Center. I went and

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<v Speaker 3>checked out the website for that. It sounds like an

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<v Speaker 3>awesome thing. Man, Do you want to talk about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, so me and my wife Lisa.

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<v Speaker 2>Our mission is to bring the love of Christ to

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<v Speaker 2>hurting children through wildlife encounters. You know, encounters of wildlife

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<v Speaker 2>can be a very exciting and therapeutic and kind of

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<v Speaker 2>what happens is if a kid has a trauma, a

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<v Speaker 2>diagnosis or something, they think that life will never get

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<v Speaker 2>better than when they got that diagnosis, or that abuse

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<v Speaker 2>event happened, or that loss happens. So we find kids

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<v Speaker 2>that are going through stuff that love animals and we

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<v Speaker 2>give them wildlife encounters. We have a number of small

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<v Speaker 2>exotics here at our facility, like the quad Mundy and

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<v Speaker 2>the kinkajew and snakes and tortoises and cool stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're not open to the public.

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<v Speaker 2>When the gate shuts here, I tell the kids the

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<v Speaker 2>public can't come in.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just for you.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've been doing that for thirteen years this year,

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<v Speaker 2>and we also do like we also go out and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if they have a favorite animal they want

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<v Speaker 2>to meet somewhere, we'll take kid to meet that. So

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<v Speaker 2>we've done everything from kids getting to play with white

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<v Speaker 2>lion cubs oh wow, yeah, pretty amazing wolf encounters to

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<v Speaker 2>kids meeting elephants and you know, you name it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we have a branch of.

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<v Speaker 2>That higher calling wildlife that is like expeditions for kids

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<v Speaker 2>in the same categories. We've been doing those out of

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<v Speaker 2>Estes Park, Colorado did them and Yellowstone last year's Smoky

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<v Speaker 2>Mountains in the Everglades.

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<v Speaker 3>That's amazing. Man. You're not just interested in wildlife, obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>it's this is truly a passion of yours and always

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<v Speaker 3>has been. What ignited that passion for you? How did

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<v Speaker 3>that all get started?

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<v Speaker 2>That's really a great question because you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>really never really try to figure out when that. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a memory, I don't have a time frame

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<v Speaker 2>in my life when I can't think that I was

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<v Speaker 2>obsessed with wildlife.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I just remember growing up, you know, like hunting.

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<v Speaker 2>And fishing with my dad, right and then reading outdoor

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<v Speaker 2>magazines and then watching Mutual Lamaha's Wild Kingdom on television

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<v Speaker 2>Jacques Coustelle Ocean Specials.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Seeing Jaws really lit fire in me in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of ways. And I was always reading animal books at

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<v Speaker 2>the library, and I just always loved the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>encountering these wild, amazing creatures out there. And somehow, by

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<v Speaker 2>the grace of God and a lot of hard work,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm managed to covel together a career doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's so awesome, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>I grew up kind of in an outdoorsman sportsman family myself.

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<v Speaker 3>I was actually raised by my great grandparents, and so

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<v Speaker 3>my great grandfather had literally, you know, lived off the

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<v Speaker 3>land growing up. And wow, you know, we were always

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<v Speaker 3>out fishing and stuff, and I learned a lot from that.

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<v Speaker 3>And like you're saying, uh, joqu Cousteau, Wild Kingdom, Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>Wild America was another big one, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, Marty South. I got to interview Marty. I got

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<v Speaker 2>to interview Marty Stalf for like three times.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, that's awesome, which was.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredible, super nice guy. Also got to interview Jim Fowler

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<v Speaker 2>before he passed away, uh, which was from Wild Kingdom,

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<v Speaker 2>which was like I almost cried. I mean it was

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<v Speaker 2>so powerful getting to talk to that guy. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>those were all just really cool things, you know. You

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<v Speaker 2>know it's funny like I think my love wearing beanies

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<v Speaker 2>in cool weather is Jacque Gusteau. Yeah, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>a cool French guy, so I can't pull off red.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'd to go to the metal version, do black.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Hey, there's nothing wrong with that. There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, crazy story my uncle. I actually found out eventually.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd been into bigfoot for a while before my uncle

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<v Speaker 3>ever approached me. And it was on Thanksgiving one day,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, family get together, and he came up to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, so I hear you're into bigfoot and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like yeah, and he said, you know I

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<v Speaker 3>used to go out looking for bigfoot and wow, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>how did I not know that about my uncle? You know?

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<v Speaker 3>And uh, sure, he was stationed in the Navy whenever

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<v Speaker 3>I was young, up in the Pacific Northwest, and so

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<v Speaker 3>I know he went out a little bit there. I

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<v Speaker 3>actually haven't talked to him a lot about it, but

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<v Speaker 3>he said that he actually went out on a bigfoot

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<v Speaker 3>expedition with Jim Fowler.

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<v Speaker 1>What.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's what he told you straight up.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it gets cooler than that.

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<v Speaker 3>It can't. It can't. I mean, look, they did do

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<v Speaker 3>a Yetty special, you know, Marlon Perkins, and so it

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<v Speaker 3>was like, well, I mean, I guess it's possible, but

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<v Speaker 3>that's crazy, you know. Uh so, yeah, maybe the.

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<v Speaker 2>Only thing that would get to that level would be

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<v Speaker 2>in a shark cage with Cousteau.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that'd be about it.

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<v Speaker 3>That would be nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So, speaking of sharks, uh yeah, always been in the

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<v Speaker 3>sharks as a youngster myself, seeing Jaws, just like you're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually did a science fair project on sharks back

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<v Speaker 3>in elementary school.

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<v Speaker 1>Very cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Great Whites in the Gulf. I know there's been a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of sightings off of Florida. Has there ever been

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<v Speaker 3>anything off the coast of Texas?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, brother, So go to Gulf Great Whites dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my shameless plug in my blog.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So ty years ago this year, just twenty years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>a friend of mine who was a charter captain, a

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<v Speaker 2>young charter captain. We're both young in our career doing this,

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<v Speaker 2>and he I knew he.

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<v Speaker 1>Had a satellite phone. I knew he's fishing that they

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<v Speaker 1>called me from satellite phone. He was offshore fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>Think that maybe fifty three miles out of Sabine Pass

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<v Speaker 2>here in the Texas louisian A border. And he goes, Dude,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the difference between a great white and a mako's teeth?

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<v Speaker 2>And I go A mako's all jangly and a great

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<v Speaker 2>white's the perfect triangles.

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<v Speaker 1>And they got quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes, I'm looking at a great white about fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>The boat here out of Sabine Pass.

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<v Speaker 2>And when he pulled up to this rig, all the

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<v Speaker 2>workers on the rig were pointing down giant shark, and

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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't see it at first, and eventually it hung

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<v Speaker 2>around the boat for a few minutes, as they tend

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<v Speaker 2>to do sometimes. And I started digging into white shark

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<v Speaker 2>reports in the golf and wrote an article for Tide

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<v Speaker 2>magazine that year's a little controversial and.

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<v Speaker 1>There are no great wits in the gold or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But I had record Noah who had longline evidence of

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<v Speaker 2>off the Gulf side of Florida, and I had some

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<v Speaker 2>newspaper report from the nineteen fifty in Porta, Ransas, Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>And then a group put o search in probably around

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen or so, I started putting satellite transmitters in

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<v Speaker 1>They caught off the Atlantic coast.

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<v Speaker 2>And voila, they started popping up around Panama City, Florida, Pensacola,

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<v Speaker 2>and then amazingly kind of the game changer was last

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<v Speaker 2>February twenty sixth of twenty twenty four, a twenty six

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<v Speaker 2>hundred pounds great white named Leebeth, tagged by the Atlantic

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<v Speaker 2>White Shark Conservancy and a guy named Captain Chapsonship Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Love off the coast South Carolina, showed up one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>She was only tagged December eight, twenty three, so she

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<v Speaker 2>came all the way across the Gulf, then went down

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<v Speaker 2>in New Mexico, made a trip all all the Texas coast.

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<v Speaker 2>And my buddy who saw that white shark at that

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<v Speaker 2>point nineteen years earlier, I told him about the shark

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<v Speaker 2>and Texas downloaded the shark tivity out that's the Atlantic

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<v Speaker 2>White Shark conservaty app. And he beat me too, and

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<v Speaker 2>he texted me one morning with a screenshot. He goes,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw, this shark that was at Padre is now

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<v Speaker 2>about five miles from the rig that I saw mine

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<v Speaker 2>at twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was cool. Anyway, she ended up in Nova Scotia.

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<v Speaker 2>So go figure that crazy, yeah and sing And so

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<v Speaker 2>there's a whole thing. And I have a documentary coming

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<v Speaker 2>out about white sharks in the Gulf, gonna be out June,

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<v Speaker 2>and me and my friend Paul Pazinski. Paul does the

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<v Speaker 2>wild Man of the Woods big Foot Channel. I'm his narrator,

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<v Speaker 2>and me and Paul are doing something pretty special on

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<v Speaker 2>great whites. And I got the blog out and it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a it's a cool thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to a cage dive with whites and the

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<v Speaker 2>Fara lines back in two of three somewhere in there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've got to go up on the Cape Cod

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<v Speaker 2>area line year with the Atlantic white shark people and

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<v Speaker 2>it was amazing. So that's like my ultimate apex favorite

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<v Speaker 2>animal in the world is a great white shark.

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<v Speaker 3>So how crazy was the cage dive?

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<v Speaker 1>It was?

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<v Speaker 2>Wild man, It's it's this whole like that could be

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<v Speaker 2>a whole like documentary, Like my little pathetic cage dive, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so like that'd because it's so much humor.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>We get out there and we almost didn't make it

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<v Speaker 2>because it was so raw, and we go this I

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<v Speaker 2>we go the Pharolns and you know, there's five of

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<v Speaker 2>us and it was a couple who were from Las

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<v Speaker 2>Vegas on their honeymoon, up, two brothers from the Bronx

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<v Speaker 2>and me and you know, and we have to go

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<v Speaker 2>get in the cage and put it down to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure we can handle the cold water and everything because

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<v Speaker 2>it's there's like fifty one degrees or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So everybody gets in.

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<v Speaker 2>We you know, our web suits are adequate whatever, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we pull you know, I'm from Texas and I've

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<v Speaker 2>caught hundreds of sharks.

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<v Speaker 1>So I go. I'm like, look, I don't mind getting

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<v Speaker 1>my hands dirty.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll houck a chump. And the guy goes, sir, we

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<v Speaker 2>can't chum here. I said, why not.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes, we might attract sharks to people. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, that's why I paid you five hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what we're here for.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, well, we can't. We can bait, we can't

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<v Speaker 2>chum like oh, semantic. So I thought, you pulled into

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<v Speaker 2>a big giant box in the back of this boat.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm thinking, I'm gonna pull a tuna out, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna hang a tuna overboard.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was a yellow and red surfboard.

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<v Speaker 2>And they said, we're gonna pull this behind the boat

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<v Speaker 2>and it has kind of a silhouet of a great

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<v Speaker 2>white and they might come up and hit it and

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<v Speaker 2>look to look for it, and then most sharp and

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<v Speaker 2>I went, look, I know y'all think I'm slow because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm from Texas, I said, and I literally asked him

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<v Speaker 2>this question.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, let me get this right.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't attract them the fish oil, which are naturally

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<v Speaker 2>attracted to, but you can train them.

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<v Speaker 1>They hit a surfboard. Yeah, and that's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Where's the logic?

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<v Speaker 1>He goes, yeah, And I went, did you go to Berkeley?

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<v Speaker 1>And I kid you not, brother. He goes, how'd you know?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, just a wild gas.

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<v Speaker 3>Just a while.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was it was amazing. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>It took us three hours to find a shark. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm it's one of those moments frozen in my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm eating a laized potato chip, looking at the back

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<v Speaker 2>of the boat and I'm watching this surfboard that might

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<v Speaker 2>be thirty five feet behind the boat, and a fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>foot white shark comes.

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<v Speaker 1>Up and hits it and does a three sixty oh wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Before it hit the water, the second one side swiped it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I went this is the coolest freaking moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Of my lot, and I'm never going surfing here.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy behind me goes, we're gonna eat a bigger boat.

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<v Speaker 2>And they put the cage in the water, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like that moment cage goes in the water,

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<v Speaker 2>you're in the water, Sharks in the water from Jaws,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And like, so.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking I'm doing math here. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a couple, there's two brothers, and there's me and

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<v Speaker 2>room for two a time in a cage. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna completely get messed over here, right, And the

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<v Speaker 2>guy from the couple comes up and goes, hey, Chester, man,

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<v Speaker 2>my wife's kind of feeling seasick. So I think we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna not go in cage. And I'm like, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the guy one of the guys that you know, our

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<v Speaker 2>wet suits aren't quite adequate, you know, they're talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know. It was cold, so here I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't because I was so brave. I just knew

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<v Speaker 2>that I was on the precipice of a dream coming true.

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<v Speaker 1>And if I didn't do this, I'd regret at.

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<v Speaker 2>The rest of my life. And I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>see a great white. So I get in this cage

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<v Speaker 2>and I am freaking terrified because this isn't like the Caribbean.

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<v Speaker 2>It would been rough. So the visibility was maybe twelve

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen feet brother maybe fifteen tops. So you're like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>jaw's is gonna be there.

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<v Speaker 3>It ain't gonna be like not there and then there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was right before I could afford a good

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<v Speaker 2>digital underwater camera, so I had a print film underwater

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<v Speaker 2>with thirty six shots and I'm sitting there awaking, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get this freaking sharp. And he comes up and

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<v Speaker 2>they're pulling the surfboard by hand now and it gets

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<v Speaker 2>caught on the cage and I'm like, oh, here I go.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's when they hit l It's on the cage and

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<v Speaker 2>we got it out and I'm in there and I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing snooba so I could stay underwater for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time. It didn't matter how long I was in there.

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<v Speaker 2>The gases don't put up like a scuba so nothing

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<v Speaker 2>goes on. And these little fish and a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>squid came up around the cage, and I started I

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<v Speaker 2>took a few pictures of him. I'm sitting there watching them.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm in the Pacific Ocean and freezing, freezing

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<v Speaker 2>cold water, waiting for car car or down Carcaarrious to

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<v Speaker 2>Great White.

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<v Speaker 1>This is either really cool or really stupid. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know which one is. But I'm having a good time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And all of a sudden, all this little fish went

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<v Speaker 2>and left, and I don't know how they did it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm telling you, somebody pumped the Jaws music down

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<v Speaker 2>there in my head at least, because I'm hearing, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And it got to that and in the movie, somebody.

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<v Speaker 3>Dies cage falls to the bottom of the ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought about that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm watching and there's a giant shape comes below

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<v Speaker 2>the cage. I can just see a black shape and

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<v Speaker 2>starts kicking silt up, and it's moving around the cage

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<v Speaker 2>in and out and circles me for maybe five minutes

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<v Speaker 2>or so, keeps circling and I can't make it just

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<v Speaker 2>hit a big shape, giant shape, and I'm like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god. Well I was so cold by this point,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm worried about like hypothermia. So I get up out

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<v Speaker 2>of the cage and I say there was something down there,

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<v Speaker 2>and they give me hot chocolate and then they like

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<v Speaker 2>put the cage up. So they cranked the motor. It

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<v Speaker 2>was been like ten seconds of crank in the motor

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<v Speaker 2>and the black shape that was down there came up

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<v Speaker 2>and hit it and it was an eighteen foot great.

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<v Speaker 3>White Wow, that's huge.

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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a picture of me holding the surfboard. We

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<v Speaker 2>can see the bike radius on this sucker. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like me and a half, you know. And so when

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<v Speaker 2>it hit, it was so amazing, and.

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<v Speaker 1>It had hang time, and I remember the eye turned

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<v Speaker 1>and looked at us and some like you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was amazing. It was one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very grateful for that, but uh, you know, getting

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to connect with that and teach people

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<v Speaker 2>about like ocean wildlife conservation, come back with the great

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<v Speaker 2>white shark after sort of persecution and all, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And then what's the crypto guy gonna be into in

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<v Speaker 2>the ocean anyway. We're not gonna be it into some

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<v Speaker 2>little cheef fish.

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, you're looking for great lights and giant squid

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<v Speaker 3>there you go, and monsters exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'd see.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather be in the water without the cage with

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<v Speaker 2>a white shark than a giant squid.

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<v Speaker 1>Though, yeah, yeah, there was a big giant squid down there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh freak me out, man, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't trust those things anything with that many arms,

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<v Speaker 2>I ain't trusted.

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<v Speaker 3>Every time I read about squid or just octopus in general,

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<v Speaker 3>it it kind of weirds me out. Man. They're they're

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<v Speaker 3>not like anything else on the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>No, man, I think octopus in particular amazing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so smart and everything, but they're so different. You're right,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, but you know that's just part of that

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<v Speaker 2>I guess spirit of adventure, you know. And uh, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I guess Jim, Jim and Jack rubbed off on

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<v Speaker 2>me in a big way.

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<v Speaker 3>When did you decide to take the plunge into the

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<v Speaker 3>world of Bigfoot?

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<v Speaker 1>So I was always interested in my whole life.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad showed me when I was probably four the

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<v Speaker 2>Patterson Gillman Pictures in argacy.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh And I thought that was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>And you couldn't be growing up in the late seventies

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<v Speaker 2>and early eighties and not hearing about Bigfoot somehow on

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<v Speaker 2>the media, right, And you know, I mean Steve Austin's

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<v Speaker 2>battling Andre the Giant is in head whatever his name

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<v Speaker 2>was from the Adams fam. Teed Cassidy from the Adams

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<v Speaker 2>Family is Bigfoot on TV, which was awesome. But I

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<v Speaker 2>also had seen the Legend of Boggie Creek. I was

429
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<v Speaker 2>too young to see it the movies, but it replayed

430
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<v Speaker 2>on cable. Oddly enough, as I'm getting surgery, I'm about

431
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<v Speaker 2>to wheel me in for hernia surgery like six years

432
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<v Speaker 2>old at Texas Children's Hospital, and the Legend Block Creek

433
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<v Speaker 2>is playing on cable. I was mesmerized. I was I'd

434
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<v Speaker 2>always wanted to heard about it, you know, I wanted

435
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<v Speaker 2>to see it, and all.

436
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<v Speaker 1>Of that really just made me.

437
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<v Speaker 2>You know, I was always in like really enthralled by

438
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<v Speaker 2>nature and then the mysterious side of it. Just I

439
00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:15.680
<v Speaker 2>think the Lord always wanted me to be a journalist

440
00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:19.880
<v Speaker 2>because I've always been such an investigator, and so to

441
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<v Speaker 2>me it's like nature's awesome that these mysteries are making

442
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<v Speaker 2>maybe a little extra awesome. And then reading stuff like

443
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<v Speaker 2>you know, in my school library had Sasquatch The Apes

444
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<v Speaker 2>among Us by John Green and still the greatest big

445
00:21:32.359 --> 00:21:36.640
<v Speaker 2>book ever written. And you know, so all that stuff

446
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<v Speaker 2>really got me into being interested in the topic.

447
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<v Speaker 3>Did you guys, And by you guys, I mean you

448
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<v Speaker 3>and your dad? Were you members of the gcbro.

449
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<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. I had my.

450
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<v Speaker 2>First experiences with Bobby Hamilton as a matter of fact,

451
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<v Speaker 2>well not my first, not my first experience that happened

452
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<v Speaker 2>when I was younger. Didn't know it was a big

453
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<v Speaker 2>foot though until later.

454
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<v Speaker 1>Can we tell that story of man.

455
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, of course, Yeah, that's what we're here for.

456
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

457
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<v Speaker 2>So, like my aunt had property in Dowton County and

458
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<v Speaker 2>her lamb was about thirty five to forty minutes north

459
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<v Speaker 2>of US and for me, as a little kid in

460
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<v Speaker 2>the lower middle income household, this was like going on

461
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<v Speaker 2>safari because they only eighty three acres in the middle

462
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<v Speaker 2>of really dense woods and harbord bottom lands.

463
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<v Speaker 1>I got to go squirrel hunting, rabbit hunting.

464
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<v Speaker 2>We were rabbit hunting one night though we rabbit hunt

465
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<v Speaker 2>was you put up. I have a little headlamp on

466
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<v Speaker 2>and I bring my four team of dad out of

467
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<v Speaker 2>a twelve gage and we go walk the property fence

468
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<v Speaker 2>line looking for rabbits and that might be dinner tomorrow night,

469
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<v Speaker 2>you know, fried rabbit, you know. And we're down this

470
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<v Speaker 2>creek bottom and this thing starts growling at us, and

471
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<v Speaker 2>it was unlike anything I'd ever heard. And I'm like,

472
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<v Speaker 2>what's that? And he goes, I'll never forget this.

473
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<v Speaker 1>He goes, well, uncle Bill's bulls must be caught in

474
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<v Speaker 1>the fence down on the creek bottom. And I'm like,

475
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<v Speaker 1>why don't we go help?

476
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<v Speaker 2>And he goes, I think it'll be all right, you know,

477
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<v Speaker 2>And we're getting out of.

478
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<v Speaker 1>Hey, what is That's not a bull?

479
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<v Speaker 2>And we were treated out of the woods and pretty quickly,

480
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<v Speaker 2>and my dad finally stud I bet it was a

481
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<v Speaker 2>black bear, because you know, although bears were execrated from

482
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<v Speaker 2>me Texas at the time, Louisiana still had the Louisiana

483
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<v Speaker 2>black bear subspecies and a few across the border. And

484
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<v Speaker 2>for years I thought we had encountered a black bear

485
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<v Speaker 2>that was mad at us until I started the freshman

486
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<v Speaker 2>year of college and got to work with black Bears

487
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<v Speaker 2>in captivity for two years and went, they don't make

488
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<v Speaker 2>any sound remotely like that, right, yeah.

489
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<v Speaker 1>And so fast forward.

490
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<v Speaker 2>I am twenty five years ago. This year I had

491
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<v Speaker 2>met Bobby Hamilton from the GCBO of the year before.

492
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<v Speaker 2>He was very gracious to invite me and my dad

493
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<v Speaker 2>out on an expedition. And we're at this piece of

494
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<v Speaker 2>property in Polk County, Texas that there have been some

495
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<v Speaker 2>activity he was investigating. He said, we know what we're

496
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<v Speaker 2>gonna do. We're just gonna sit here on a campfire

497
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<v Speaker 2>and listen tonight, Okay, about ten o'clock, we'll hear this

498
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<v Speaker 2>type sound moan off to like, you know, like oh

499
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<v Speaker 2>like to the left of the campfire. And then about

500
00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:06.119
<v Speaker 2>midnight it was directly in front of us, and it

501
00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:09.640
<v Speaker 2>had circled us almost perfectly by about two or three am.

502
00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:13.039
<v Speaker 2>Didn't know what it was, but it was weird, and

503
00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Bobby goes, we don't know, it was a little muffled,

504
00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:16.359
<v Speaker 2>but it was something, you know.

505
00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:18.200
<v Speaker 1>And we sat there and it was interesting.

506
00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:20.920
<v Speaker 2>We told bigfoot stories all night and I listened to

507
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<v Speaker 2>his stuff and it was cool.

508
00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:26.119
<v Speaker 1>And we four o'clock we had to leave Bobby had

509
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<v Speaker 1>to go somewhere.

510
00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:28.119
<v Speaker 2>We had to go somewhere. We had two hours to

511
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<v Speaker 2>drive home. Bobby had an hour to drive home. We

512
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<v Speaker 2>put all our gear up, our guns up, our lights up,

513
00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:37.519
<v Speaker 2>and then all helbro loose. This thing started growling guttural,

514
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:40.240
<v Speaker 2>deep growls, and my dad, who was there with me,

515
00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:44.119
<v Speaker 2>literally grabbed me. He goes, that's what we heard when

516
00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:46.240
<v Speaker 2>you were a little kid. It was the same sound

517
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:48.880
<v Speaker 2>we had heard when I was a little kid two hours.

518
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<v Speaker 1>Away in East Texas.

519
00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:50.039
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

520
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<v Speaker 2>And at that moment I knew that whatever this was

521
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<v Speaker 2>was a real thing.

522
00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:56.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, it was exist.

523
00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:59.839
<v Speaker 2>But here's where it got really interesting. From a bigfoot

524
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<v Speaker 2>re search your perspective. I had been that was August

525
00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:07.000
<v Speaker 2>of the twentieth of two thousand. I had been to

526
00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:11.720
<v Speaker 2>Venezuela that previous December, in December ninety nine fishing for peacock,

527
00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:16.599
<v Speaker 2>bath payatta and piranha and the assault fair amount of monkeys,

528
00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:19.559
<v Speaker 2>and I had howler monkeys you hear every day.

529
00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:22.400
<v Speaker 1>So one particular hallow monkey was really close to me.

530
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<v Speaker 2>And this thing sound we heard it had a very

531
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<v Speaker 2>holler monkey s type tone. So whatever reason, genius boy

532
00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:31.400
<v Speaker 2>here decided.

533
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<v Speaker 1>To growl at it. So because I had growled, I

534
00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:34.720
<v Speaker 1>had growled at a.

535
00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:37.160
<v Speaker 2>Howler monkey up there, and it stopped and growled back

536
00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:40.079
<v Speaker 2>at me, and a kid, you not, I growled once,

537
00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:45.160
<v Speaker 2>this thing stopped and growled. Once I growled twice, it

538
00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:49.319
<v Speaker 2>growled twice, and the same pattern when I hit three

539
00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:53.240
<v Speaker 2>growls on the hallow monkey. This howler monkey built us

540
00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:55.799
<v Speaker 2>up to a frenzy and was retreating in the trees,

541
00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:56.720
<v Speaker 2>cracking branches.

542
00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:57.359
<v Speaker 1>On the way out.

543
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:01.000
<v Speaker 2>This thing went into a high pinch screen was obviously

544
00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:05.559
<v Speaker 2>breaking stuff as it ran away, And I went, that's

545
00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:09.599
<v Speaker 2>a primate of some kind, because the same thing that

546
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:11.799
<v Speaker 2>that primate in South America that I know was a

547
00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:14.559
<v Speaker 2>primemate did and it responded the same way.

548
00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:17.160
<v Speaker 1>And I know Bigfoot's reel.

549
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:21.119
<v Speaker 2>They're in Texas, and I was spent two grand on

550
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:22.359
<v Speaker 2>night vision the next morning.

551
00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:26.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, that's That's not the first time I've heard

552
00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:31.359
<v Speaker 3>the comparison to a howler monkey. And that's also something

553
00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:35.559
<v Speaker 3>that I've picked up on in some of the vocalizations.

554
00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:39.519
<v Speaker 3>Do you think Bigfoot has like some sort of airsack?

555
00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:42.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, I really don't know.

556
00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:46.400
<v Speaker 2>I just know I can't didn't it wasn't like an

557
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:50.200
<v Speaker 2>exact Holler Monkey sound, right, but it had the tones

558
00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:52.599
<v Speaker 2>the only cone I've ever heard that was similar to it,

559
00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:56.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, they had the guttural stuff, you know, like

560
00:26:57.079 --> 00:26:59.240
<v Speaker 2>So there's a clip of the Sierra Sounds that is

561
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:03.480
<v Speaker 2>part of what we heard, and it was that that

562
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:06.880
<v Speaker 2>part that I heard that sound in there with the

563
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Haller Monkey stuff, and it was I've never heard the

564
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:13.720
<v Speaker 2>Sierra sounds before I had had this experience, so I

565
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:16.160
<v Speaker 2>heard him a few years later. But there's only two

566
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:18.160
<v Speaker 2>things I've ever heard is that one clip of Sierra

567
00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Sounds and a Haller Monkey sounded really close to what

568
00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:24.640
<v Speaker 2>we had encountered in there. And interesting, there was a

569
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:29.240
<v Speaker 2>guy named Jimmy Chilcut, right. Jimmy Chilcut was a latent

570
00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:33.200
<v Speaker 2>fingerprint examiner for the Conro Police Department, and he spoke

571
00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:36.240
<v Speaker 2>at two of my crypto conferences in Conrad. I think

572
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.000
<v Speaker 2>he spoke at one of Craig wool heaters as well,

573
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:41.640
<v Speaker 2>and he spoke at the Willow Creek conference in three

574
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:46.799
<v Speaker 2>And when I talked to him about my experiences, He's

575
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:50.400
<v Speaker 2>told me a side note and he told me, you

576
00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:52.599
<v Speaker 2>know that he had kind of thought that you know,

577
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:55.400
<v Speaker 2>he had figured out from a couple of tracks that

578
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:58.400
<v Speaker 2>there is a dermal ridging it's different on a sasquatch creature,

579
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:00.880
<v Speaker 2>from a couple of tracks that were different everything else.

580
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:04.240
<v Speaker 2>And he said, you know, it's interesting you mentioned hower monkeys.

581
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:07.599
<v Speaker 2>I remember him telling you this. He said, the closest

582
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:11.920
<v Speaker 2>dermal ridging that I found on a known primate to

583
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:15.480
<v Speaker 2>what I think the sasquatch track is a hower monkey.

584
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:16.119
<v Speaker 3>Huh.

585
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:18.400
<v Speaker 1>So that was it. That was a little cool side note, you.

586
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:21.680
<v Speaker 3>Know, Yeah, yeah, for sure. So did you ever I

587
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:25.599
<v Speaker 3>would assume you did attend outings at Monster Central?

588
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh, dude, absolutely, many many.

589
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:32.480
<v Speaker 2>I spent a lot of time at Monster Central Clyde

590
00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:37.000
<v Speaker 2>between two thousand and two thousand and seven when off

591
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:38.359
<v Speaker 2>me and my dad there a lot.

592
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, went out there a lot.

593
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:43.680
<v Speaker 3>Did you have any crazy experiences there, because I've heard

594
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:48.680
<v Speaker 3>some some pretty intense stories from that location over the years.

595
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:50.559
<v Speaker 1>Brother, let me tell you something.

596
00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:54.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm very grateful to Jim Lansdale for the opportunity to

597
00:28:54.599 --> 00:29:01.000
<v Speaker 2>go out there. Had some wild stuff happen, had a

598
00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:04.400
<v Speaker 2>lot of vocalizations for the first few years, a lot.

599
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Of stuff like the whoops, that kind of stuff.

600
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:11.000
<v Speaker 2>I heard multiple times. We heard the Ohio Howell type sound,

601
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:13.839
<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff.

602
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:17.000
<v Speaker 1>And we had an encounter.

603
00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:20.079
<v Speaker 2>Me and my friend Todd Jurassic, who was there one night,

604
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:25.079
<v Speaker 2>had a really bizarro encounter where one was stomping at

605
00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:27.359
<v Speaker 2>us like it wanted us and they I mean it

606
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:30.160
<v Speaker 2>was There's a sound that I believe was the sasquatch

607
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:34.200
<v Speaker 2>sound that Jim I think Jim named it the bionic bird.

608
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:37.279
<v Speaker 1>It sounds similar to it sounds similar to.

609
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:39.720
<v Speaker 2>A screech out trill, but it's not a screech out trill, right,

610
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:45.240
<v Speaker 2>uh and uh I've heard that twice with footsteps. So

611
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.680
<v Speaker 2>if that's a freaking owl leaving footsteps, it's mothman, you know.

612
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Uh. And that night this thing was stomping at me

613
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:53.599
<v Speaker 1>and Todd coming.

614
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:58.880
<v Speaker 2>In and doing the bionic bird sound and obviously wanted

615
00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:00.920
<v Speaker 2>us to know it was coming. Then they got dead

616
00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:04.960
<v Speaker 2>quiet and it was like where are you now? It

617
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:07.200
<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, there's a couple.

618
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:09.599
<v Speaker 1>It was. It was incredible, man. I uh.

619
00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:11.440
<v Speaker 2>And there was a lot of cool stuff, you know,

620
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:16.160
<v Speaker 2>happening out there, and it was a cool piece of property.

621
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:20.079
<v Speaker 3>Did you get interested in other cryptids besides Bigfoot?

622
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:21.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

623
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like I did my own crypto conference for four

624
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:26.359
<v Speaker 2>years in Conra and only spoke on Bigfoot once.

625
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Uh. I have a I have a YouTube channel with Chester.

626
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:33.319
<v Speaker 2>More a while if journalist an investigator, and that channel

627
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:38.119
<v Speaker 2>has a whole series on black panthers, and uh, I said,

628
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:40.920
<v Speaker 2>eight part series on black panthers. So I'm really interested

629
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:45.440
<v Speaker 2>in that, like the red wolf Phenomenon's really interested and uh,

630
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:47.240
<v Speaker 2>you know a lot of that stuff is more like

631
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:50.079
<v Speaker 2>the known cryptids, misplaced animal stuff.

632
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.559
<v Speaker 1>I've always been really interested in that end of stuff.

633
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:55.960
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of that stuff, you know, obviously

634
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:59.920
<v Speaker 3>it kind of layers over in the Bigfoot of core.

635
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:06.480
<v Speaker 3>Do you think there is activity of other cryptids that

636
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:09.119
<v Speaker 3>kind of gets put on Bigfoot or just assume that

637
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:11.400
<v Speaker 3>it's Bigfoot because that's where everybody's mind goes.

638
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:18.160
<v Speaker 2>That's a great question. Actually, I do think this. You know,

639
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:20.839
<v Speaker 2>Lauren Coleman wrote many years ago about what he called

640
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:25.160
<v Speaker 2>a nape, a North American ape and with more ape

641
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:31.200
<v Speaker 2>like tracks, more ape like behavior. And I have had

642
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:37.599
<v Speaker 2>multiple people tell me of seeing what they describe as

643
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:44.960
<v Speaker 2>baboons right in Texas in Louisiana, and they were two

644
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:49.039
<v Speaker 2>of the Louisiana reports were like probably within twenty miles

645
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:51.720
<v Speaker 2>of each other. In the East Texas reports fly fifty miles,

646
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:54.279
<v Speaker 2>so it's not a real big area. And then there's

647
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.920
<v Speaker 2>that really bizarre roadkill, the Ridder to quit at Wincy

648
00:31:58.039 --> 00:32:00.119
<v Speaker 2>roadkill from nineteen ninety six that I don't know what

649
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:01.119
<v Speaker 2>the heck that thing is.

650
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:05.279
<v Speaker 1>That ties in. And then.

651
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:10.880
<v Speaker 2>I do think that there's other stuff that may be

652
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:14.640
<v Speaker 2>even more ape like I mean, uh and I my

653
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.599
<v Speaker 2>lectures last year on the topic were about feral apes.

654
00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I do think that there are a very high chance

655
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:25.279
<v Speaker 2>of probability that some of the stuff going on in

656
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Florida are feral apes.

657
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:29.319
<v Speaker 3>You know, I know this sounds kind of silly, but

658
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:33.599
<v Speaker 3>the old Tarzan series and movies and everything, there's a

659
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:36.480
<v Speaker 3>lot of filming done in Florida, and supposedly a lot

660
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:41.279
<v Speaker 3>of those animals just got left behind or things happened

661
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:42.480
<v Speaker 3>during hurricanes.

662
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:45.680
<v Speaker 2>There was a place called the Chimp Farm down there,

663
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:50.640
<v Speaker 2>and so this plus there's a there is an established

664
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:54.359
<v Speaker 2>population of racist three different racist monkey populations in Florida

665
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:58.759
<v Speaker 2>that are established and documented, and so we know that

666
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:03.359
<v Speaker 2>there are non primates living there, and so that tells

667
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:07.960
<v Speaker 2>you non indigenous primates can live there. And if you

668
00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:11.440
<v Speaker 2>look at it, this chimp farm that had this escape,

669
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:13.839
<v Speaker 2>that was the source of one of those populations.

670
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.240
<v Speaker 1>This is before we were all regulated.

671
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:20.319
<v Speaker 2>They not only had like a chimpanzees and reci's monkeys,

672
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:22.279
<v Speaker 2>they had lowling guerrillas and orangutans.

673
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:22.880
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

674
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:27.440
<v Speaker 2>So that and if you look at the Mayaca ape

675
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:31.599
<v Speaker 2>photos from that's either one of those things or something

676
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:34.400
<v Speaker 2>of a nap or an orangutane, something really close. So

677
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:38.039
<v Speaker 2>I think there's ape like stuff that could be non Bigfoot,

678
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:39.519
<v Speaker 2>but as close enough that it.

679
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:45.720
<v Speaker 3>Kind of overlaps that Mayaca Skun Cape photo. I mean, geez,

680
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:48.799
<v Speaker 3>I remember seeing it for the first time, and still

681
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:52.240
<v Speaker 3>to this day you would think that if that was

682
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:56.440
<v Speaker 3>a hoax, somebody would have located the statue or mannequin

683
00:33:56.599 --> 00:34:00.119
<v Speaker 3>or whatever. It would have been yep by now. But

684
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:02.559
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it just looks like a big orangutan.

685
00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:04.119
<v Speaker 1>It does.

686
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:06.200
<v Speaker 2>And I've been able to have a little bit of

687
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:09.559
<v Speaker 2>interaction with the orangutans and uh, and it looks like

688
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.079
<v Speaker 2>kindle kind of like an orangutane. But maybe it was

689
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:14.079
<v Speaker 2>an orangutane that was a feralll rangutan.

690
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.199
<v Speaker 1>You know, who knows. Uh.

691
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.519
<v Speaker 2>You know in Texas, in a town called around a

692
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:23.280
<v Speaker 2>town called Dilly south of San Antonio, there is a

693
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:26.199
<v Speaker 2>free ranging population of Japanese.

694
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:28.480
<v Speaker 3>Mattaqus just running around loose.

695
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:31.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh yeah, and it's documented. It's all.

696
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:35.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're there. I have multiple pictures of it.

697
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:37.960
<v Speaker 2>They're they're there. They've been there since the seventies. There

698
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:41.679
<v Speaker 2>was a if you see pictures of these monkeys they

699
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:45.440
<v Speaker 2>call snow monkeys around Mount Fuji and the those are

700
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:48.360
<v Speaker 2>those are Japanese cacks and apparently they were going to

701
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:50.800
<v Speaker 2>whack a bunch of them because they're causing problems for tourists,

702
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:52.760
<v Speaker 2>and somebody in Texas that I'll go get them and

703
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:55.760
<v Speaker 2>save them. And they made a facility. So there's a facility.

704
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:59.440
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of these are running loose, feral, and uh,

705
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:01.360
<v Speaker 2>there was a big flap about them in the nineties

706
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:03.440
<v Speaker 2>because Parks and LAWA said they're non indigenous, you can

707
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:05.840
<v Speaker 2>kill them. I think they change that law where you

708
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.239
<v Speaker 2>can kill non indigenous game, you can't kill a primate.

709
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:11.079
<v Speaker 2>And uh, I've got multiple people to send me photos

710
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:12.880
<v Speaker 2>of them sitting on fence post. A guy has one

711
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:15.800
<v Speaker 2>in his deer feeder and so what's interesting about this,

712
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.079
<v Speaker 2>and this is the one that really makes me think

713
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:21.679
<v Speaker 2>that there could be some feral primate things mixed in

714
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:26.519
<v Speaker 2>here amongst the bigfoot stuff is because gee, these things

715
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:27.880
<v Speaker 2>live at Mount Fuji.

716
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:31.000
<v Speaker 1>They're caught a snow lumpy. They are living in a.

717
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:33.599
<v Speaker 2>Part of Texas that's one hundred degrees for probably one

718
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.519
<v Speaker 2>hundred days a year, and they're thriving.

719
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:37.960
<v Speaker 1>So very interesting.

720
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:44.719
<v Speaker 3>It seems like if memory serves me, uh Luke Gross

721
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:49.400
<v Speaker 3>of Texas used to talk about a reports of a

722
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:53.920
<v Speaker 3>troop of baboons in the Sulfur River bottoms. That's interesting.

723
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's interesting because one of the reports that I

724
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:00.360
<v Speaker 2>got in particular was like a hole for in truth

725
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Publa you know what I mean, It was like multiple

726
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:09.639
<v Speaker 2>uh and uh, I mean it's a it's so, you know,

727
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:12.199
<v Speaker 2>there's these things in Lauren Coleman and Patrick Waye's book

728
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:14.800
<v Speaker 2>The Field Guide whatever they call it, the Bigfoot, Serious

729
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.159
<v Speaker 2>Primates or whatever. It is really cool book about a

730
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:18.239
<v Speaker 2>devil monkey.

731
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:20.840
<v Speaker 1>And it was kind of an orangutani ish.

732
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Looking thing, and uh, you know, so who knows, you know,

733
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:29.360
<v Speaker 2>I I have a little bit of a hard time

734
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:32.400
<v Speaker 2>just logically on some of it because we know that

735
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:35.400
<v Speaker 2>those Japanese mcacs are and we got great game cam photos,

736
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:38.559
<v Speaker 2>we got great cell phone photos. We've got Recis's monkey

737
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:41.760
<v Speaker 2>photos that are great. Why don't we have the baboons?

738
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:43.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but it does.

739
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:43.840
<v Speaker 1>See.

740
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.239
<v Speaker 2>But there is also with the baboon thing. So I

741
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:49.760
<v Speaker 2>have a book out called Bigfoot South. You did a

742
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:53.119
<v Speaker 2>Bigfootsouth dot com and on Bigfoot South, I have an

743
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:57.440
<v Speaker 2>account from Lance Rosier. Lance Rosier was the forefather of

744
00:36:57.480 --> 00:36:58.960
<v Speaker 2>the Big Thicket National Preserve.

745
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:00.199
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

746
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:03.119
<v Speaker 2>And he wrote in one of his journals that he

747
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:07.000
<v Speaker 2>saw the carcass of an quote baboon on a road

748
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.920
<v Speaker 2>in the Big Thicket, in the Big Thicket, in the

749
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:13.679
<v Speaker 2>Big Thicket. Now, he said, you know, people always blame

750
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:16.519
<v Speaker 2>this stuff on some circus, you know, and they always

751
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:18.920
<v Speaker 2>blame animals that aren't in circuses. When does the never

752
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:20.280
<v Speaker 2>seen a baboon in the circus?

753
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:22.199
<v Speaker 3>I've never seen that.

754
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:24.280
<v Speaker 1>No, no, And.

755
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:27.079
<v Speaker 2>They're always it's never tiger's getting loose, it's always a

756
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:27.679
<v Speaker 2>black panther.

757
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Uh. And apparently the least safe place.

758
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:33.360
<v Speaker 2>To travel is via circus string because it always crashed somewhere.

759
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:35.559
<v Speaker 2>But uh, sorry, my sarcasm going.

760
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:37.159
<v Speaker 3>No, No, it's absolutely true.

761
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:39.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're always crashing.

762
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:43.079
<v Speaker 2>But he did say wrote in his official stock that

763
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:48.760
<v Speaker 2>there he saw the road killed carcass of a baboon

764
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:49.559
<v Speaker 2>in the big thicket.

765
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.639
<v Speaker 3>Big cats in the UK, you know, the mystery big cats.

766
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:57.079
<v Speaker 3>They've now done some DNA testing. They figured out that

767
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:01.000
<v Speaker 3>the big cats are really there. And you know, one

768
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:03.199
<v Speaker 3>of the prominent theories is that these big cats are

769
00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:06.880
<v Speaker 3>just exotic pets that were let loose over the years

770
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:11.079
<v Speaker 3>and maybe seen and maybe a breeding population occurred. I

771
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:16.679
<v Speaker 3>know in the seventies, especially exotic pets, you know, weren't

772
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.199
<v Speaker 3>a regulated thing like they are now, and it was

773
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:22.960
<v Speaker 3>extremely popular to have these animals, and there was all

774
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:26.159
<v Speaker 3>kinds of not just circuses, but little side shows and

775
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:28.920
<v Speaker 3>things like that, and if you couldn't take care of them,

776
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:31.719
<v Speaker 3>or if you couldn't afford the fees whenever regulations were

777
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:35.639
<v Speaker 3>put in place, it's not a far fetched thought to

778
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:37.559
<v Speaker 3>think that a lot of them just got let loose.

779
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, here's the thing on the big cats. I think

780
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:47.920
<v Speaker 2>for certainly in England, you know, the UK, there definitely

781
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:49.599
<v Speaker 2>was that phrase. There was here in America to a

782
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:50.960
<v Speaker 2>certain extent as well.

783
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:53.960
<v Speaker 1>A lot of sheep over there that could survive.

784
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:55.679
<v Speaker 2>These are killing the sheep and trying to hunt a

785
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:57.880
<v Speaker 2>white tilled deer in the southeast or something here, catch

786
00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:00.880
<v Speaker 2>a mule deer in the mountains, you know, because predation

787
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:04.639
<v Speaker 2>is taught. You know, it's not it's as taught by mom.

788
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:07.719
<v Speaker 2>It ain't genetic. They got genetic tendencies, but it's taught.

789
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:11.760
<v Speaker 2>I have a hard time, so I think probably there

790
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:14.239
<v Speaker 2>were sightings of ones that were survived a while on

791
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:17.360
<v Speaker 2>all that, But I my thing with this, by far,

792
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:24.400
<v Speaker 2>the most kept big cat on the world in terms

793
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:27.920
<v Speaker 2>is a tiger has been a tiger? Where are our

794
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:32.400
<v Speaker 2>cryptid tiger sightings? There are a few. How Come they're

795
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:36.360
<v Speaker 2>all black panthers, all right? How come they're all melanistic leopards?

796
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:39.000
<v Speaker 2>You know that That's something that I have a problem with.

797
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:42.199
<v Speaker 2>I now, I know I'm gonna heat for this doing

798
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.800
<v Speaker 2>my YouTube channel all the time. But almost every quote

799
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:49.239
<v Speaker 2>unquote black panther photo I've ever been sent to me

800
00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:55.239
<v Speaker 2>is a some kind of domestic origin cat that's you

801
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:59.039
<v Speaker 2>can't tell scale. And there's some evidence in Australia that

802
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:02.239
<v Speaker 2>somebody's feral to domestic cats are getting like forty fifty.

803
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.519
<v Speaker 1>Pounds, and.

804
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:08.159
<v Speaker 2>I've gotten my own photo of one that had the

805
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:11.199
<v Speaker 2>I've actually coined the term about seven years ago, called

806
00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:15.440
<v Speaker 2>the black long tail, and it's like this domestic I

807
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:17.760
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's some kind of evolution happening in

808
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.719
<v Speaker 2>these feral cats, but it's black cats that are domestic

809
00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:25.119
<v Speaker 2>origin of some kind obviously, but they have extra long tails,

810
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:27.719
<v Speaker 2>and I have multiple pictures of them one of my videos.

811
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:29.400
<v Speaker 1>So I think that's the number.

812
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:33.000
<v Speaker 2>One, because you know, you know, the domestic cats astribted globally,

813
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:37.320
<v Speaker 2>but there definitely have been escaped, you know, animal.

814
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Escape, cat sightings and stuff. For sure.

815
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:42.679
<v Speaker 2>I personally have a hard time with them long term

816
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:45.719
<v Speaker 2>breeding because you have to have a male and a female,

817
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:48.119
<v Speaker 2>right you have to have hats that are able to

818
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:50.960
<v Speaker 2>go survive and not get in trouble by going in somebody's.

819
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Backyard, you know.

820
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:56.280
<v Speaker 2>So like the black panther phenomena, I think it's about

821
00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:58.559
<v Speaker 2>seven different things that make up the black panther phenomen

822
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:01.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's one answer, and escape inzodict is

823
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:02.039
<v Speaker 2>one of them.

824
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:06.599
<v Speaker 3>I had a friend whose family owned some land up

825
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:12.480
<v Speaker 3>here in Oklahoma, and him and his brother and his father.

826
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:16.239
<v Speaker 3>All three saw what they described as a large black

827
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:19.559
<v Speaker 3>cat on the property. They saw it a couple of

828
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:21.599
<v Speaker 3>times while deer hunting and took a couple of shots

829
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:27.079
<v Speaker 3>at it. I you know, classic you know story. I pause,

830
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:29.320
<v Speaker 3>we're great shots. We know we hit it and it

831
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.400
<v Speaker 3>just took off running. They you know, could have missed.

832
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:36.840
<v Speaker 3>Who knows. But I mean the black cat phenomenon, there's

833
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:40.039
<v Speaker 3>something to it because everybody's seen it or knows somebody

834
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:40.599
<v Speaker 3>that's seen it.

835
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, I agree.

836
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:46.000
<v Speaker 2>That's why I think there's like seven or eight different

837
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:48.519
<v Speaker 2>answers to the question.

838
00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:52.320
<v Speaker 3>You know, yeah, I'm with you. Every photo that I

839
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:57.280
<v Speaker 3>have seen that I can think of. I mean, it

840
00:41:57.320 --> 00:41:59.519
<v Speaker 3>could have just been some sort of domestic cut, like

841
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:01.760
<v Speaker 3>you're saying, there's nothing for scale.

842
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:04.280
<v Speaker 2>No, And I mean I have a I mean I

843
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:05.559
<v Speaker 2>would say seventy five percent.

844
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I immediately go domestic cat.

845
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:09.280
<v Speaker 2>But there also seems to be an offshoot of that

846
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:11.920
<v Speaker 2>to where something's happening with somebod these domestic cats getting

847
00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:15.119
<v Speaker 2>a little larger and extra long tails that they're like

848
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:17.760
<v Speaker 2>and I call them a black long tail.

849
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:18.920
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of my take form.

850
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:22.000
<v Speaker 2>But there's also, like, you know, parts of America the

851
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:26.159
<v Speaker 2>jaguar rundi, which is a native vat and I saw

852
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:29.000
<v Speaker 2>my own jaggarunni north of their accepted range, and I

853
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.559
<v Speaker 2>had photographed him in a zoo for a number of times,

854
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:36.119
<v Speaker 2>and I've seen him in the zoo, and I was like, sweet,

855
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:37.440
<v Speaker 2>that's really awesome.

856
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, I never thought one would walk across the road

857
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:42.400
<v Speaker 1>one day and broad daylight, and they are interesting a

858
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:43.559
<v Speaker 1>diurnal cat.

859
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:48.079
<v Speaker 2>And I went, oh, cool, a jaggarundi and I stopped

860
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:49.639
<v Speaker 2>and freaked out and slam on my brakes and it

861
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.760
<v Speaker 2>went across the road. And I verified this with the

862
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:55.679
<v Speaker 2>biologist who works in there. Oh yeah, they're jaggar runnis all.

863
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:58.079
<v Speaker 1>Over around here. But you know, we.

864
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Don't really the department didn't want to accept that or

865
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:05.440
<v Speaker 2>whatever he said. And what was interesting is I realized

866
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:07.480
<v Speaker 2>most people that would have seen that would never have

867
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:09.719
<v Speaker 2>known what a jaguar rundy was, so they would have said,

868
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:13.960
<v Speaker 2>it's a black panther, you know, And uh so I don't.

869
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:14.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't.

870
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:16.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't, by the way, I don't make fun of

871
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:19.079
<v Speaker 2>people or think it's wrong that people see these domestic

872
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:22.800
<v Speaker 2>type feelings and think they're whatever. But it's just because

873
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:25.039
<v Speaker 2>it's it's hard to tell, you know.

874
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:27.679
<v Speaker 1>It's it's you know, a scale and things like that.

875
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:30.079
<v Speaker 2>There are even bobcats that are black, and we're verified

876
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:36.480
<v Speaker 2>black bobcats, And interestingly, there are black there are bobcats.

877
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:41.360
<v Speaker 1>With long tails. Really, yes, and it happens every once

878
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:41.800
<v Speaker 1>in a while.

879
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:43.480
<v Speaker 2>I'd love to get a hold of genetics to one

880
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:45.039
<v Speaker 2>of those suckers and see if it might have crossed

881
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:46.679
<v Speaker 2>an ocelot or something down the line, you know.

882
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:49.719
<v Speaker 1>But uh, there's a lot of weird stuff.

883
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:52.480
<v Speaker 2>But I really think that the whole thing with the

884
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:53.639
<v Speaker 2>black panthers.

885
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Is a bunch of things. But I'll go ahead and

886
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:55.920
<v Speaker 1>say this.

887
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:58.599
<v Speaker 2>You know what, I think the least likely candidate is

888
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:00.880
<v Speaker 2>of all of them.

889
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Black mountain lion.

890
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Uh because and the reason I say that is mountain

891
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:09.400
<v Speaker 2>lions are hunted. There are several thousand killed every year

892
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:12.000
<v Speaker 2>in America and brought to game check stations and mounted

893
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.599
<v Speaker 2>by tax Germans. They're they're they're they're in zoos all

894
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.239
<v Speaker 2>around the globe. There are populations all the way to

895
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:21.599
<v Speaker 2>Argentina from Canada. And the history of science, there's never

896
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:23.760
<v Speaker 2>been one black specimen observed by.

897
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:27.519
<v Speaker 1>Science, not one, Wow, not a single one.

898
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:30.440
<v Speaker 2>There's a picture of one in Costa Rica, a black

899
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:32.440
<v Speaker 2>and white photo in the fifties, and it looks to

900
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:34.320
<v Speaker 2>me like a chocolate brown. They do get kind of

901
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.320
<v Speaker 2>dark brown, you know, like almost a chocolate brown. Yeah,

902
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.880
<v Speaker 2>and a low light that looks black. But there's never

903
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:43.320
<v Speaker 2>been one. There have been white ones born. There was

904
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:45.719
<v Speaker 2>a white one on a game cam from the official

905
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:49.440
<v Speaker 2>government agency in Brazil. There was a white clubs born

906
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:51.599
<v Speaker 2>in a zoo in Belgium a few years ago.

907
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:54.159
<v Speaker 1>But there's never been a black one.

908
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:57.360
<v Speaker 2>And if the if black cougars were the source of

909
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.039
<v Speaker 2>all of these black panther signings in America, or the

910
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.960
<v Speaker 2>majority of them, they because there are all kinds of

911
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:05.440
<v Speaker 2>cougar pictures on game cams, there are all kinds of

912
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:07.239
<v Speaker 2>cougar videos on game cams, and are all kind of

913
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.400
<v Speaker 2>cougar shop by hunters and taught by trappers, and not

914
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:10.559
<v Speaker 2>one of them never been black.

915
00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:15.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, surely it would be documented by now, Yeah for sure.

916
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:18.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean I'm not saying it's not completely impossible, but

917
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:20.679
<v Speaker 2>it's never been observed by science. So I don't think

918
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:23.679
<v Speaker 2>that's the head in America. That's the number one thing

919
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:26.039
<v Speaker 2>which most people that I have talked to. You think

920
00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:29.039
<v Speaker 2>that's what they're seeing. It's a black mountain line, and

921
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:31.559
<v Speaker 2>so that's just the one I think is the least likely.

922
00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:34.280
<v Speaker 2>But it's a It's an interesting topic, man, And what

923
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:37.079
<v Speaker 2>I like about it, my friend, is that it makes

924
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:39.880
<v Speaker 2>people question things and look at nature. And I always

925
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:41.679
<v Speaker 2>tell people send me your photo, I'll tell you what

926
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:44.719
<v Speaker 2>I think it is. If you disagree, that's fine. I

927
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:47.039
<v Speaker 2>just want to, you know, educate people about this. And

928
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:48.199
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a great mystery.

929
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:51.079
<v Speaker 1>Hey, I would love to be proven wrong. Please send

930
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.239
<v Speaker 1>me a high quality video of a black mountain. I

931
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:54.000
<v Speaker 1>would love to see it.

932
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:55.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that would be nuts.

933
00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that'd be awesome.

934
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna switch up gears here for a second. I

935
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:05.000
<v Speaker 3>was browsing your one of your websites and I saw

936
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.519
<v Speaker 3>an article that you had posted, and I haven't had

937
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:11.000
<v Speaker 3>a chance. It might have been a YouTube video feral humans.

938
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:16.679
<v Speaker 3>This is something that has bothered me for a while

939
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:26.400
<v Speaker 3>because sometimes bigfooters run across things that seem way more

940
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:31.840
<v Speaker 3>human than your typical bigfoot activity. Yeah, for sure, and

941
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:37.599
<v Speaker 3>that includes footprints that are human in shape, human in size,

942
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:44.840
<v Speaker 3>in places where they just absolutely should not be what's

943
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:46.920
<v Speaker 3>the deal. What are your thoughts on feral humans?

944
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:50.440
<v Speaker 2>So here's the thing on that I'm really now just

945
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:53.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of going that direction looking at some of this.

946
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:55.840
<v Speaker 2>But what got me into this was my good friend

947
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Lyle Blackburn. He and I were at Craig wile Heeater's

948
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Wonderful Monster last year and we're both going to be

949
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:05.719
<v Speaker 2>there this year, and he goes, you were friends of

950
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:08.159
<v Speaker 2>Rob Riggs, right, And I said, yeah. Rob was an

951
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:10.599
<v Speaker 2>author of a book called All Montreal the wild Man, which.

952
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:12.559
<v Speaker 1>Was a big foot book about the Big Thicket area.

953
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:16.559
<v Speaker 2>And I'd been in the field of Rob several times

954
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:19.679
<v Speaker 2>and knew him well. And Rob passed away unfortunately, about

955
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.880
<v Speaker 2>a decade ago. And Rob had written in his book

956
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:26.559
<v Speaker 2>that there have been sightings. What people described this is

957
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:29.760
<v Speaker 2>like the timeline I can remember. It was like sixties

958
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:36.079
<v Speaker 2>to the eighties, primitive looking Indians in the Big Thicket

959
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:39.960
<v Speaker 2>and in an area of the old and Lost Trinity

960
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:43.119
<v Speaker 2>River bottoms, the area down there, which is basically the

961
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:48.559
<v Speaker 2>same basic drainage there and back. It's still remote in

962
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:50.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot of those areas, and back then it was

963
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:54.760
<v Speaker 2>very remote areas, and the reports all had very similar

964
00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:56.159
<v Speaker 2>things to them.

965
00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:59.119
<v Speaker 1>And it made me start.

966
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:02.599
<v Speaker 2>Asking questions about this because I have a hard time

967
00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:07.280
<v Speaker 2>thinking that some family drops a four year old off

968
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:11.280
<v Speaker 2>in the forest and he's raised by coyotes in East Texas.

969
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:16.519
<v Speaker 2>But if there were primitive pockets of people who grew

970
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:20.599
<v Speaker 2>up genetically used to living in those woods and those parasites,

971
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:24.519
<v Speaker 2>and their bodies and and and just inherently knew that,

972
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:28.119
<v Speaker 2>and there were small pockets of those people, that to

973
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:31.159
<v Speaker 2>me would seem like a little bit more likely for

974
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:35.559
<v Speaker 2>some of these feral human reports, you know. And what

975
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:39.119
<v Speaker 2>was interesting is I am not a native lore expert

976
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:43.039
<v Speaker 2>at all, but what was interesting about the Karankawa people,

977
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:44.880
<v Speaker 2>which were kind of the ones on the border of there,

978
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:47.239
<v Speaker 2>and the attack pins, is they both just freaking disappeared.

979
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:50.519
<v Speaker 2>They just people think they might have integrated into other

980
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:51.480
<v Speaker 2>tribes or died.

981
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Off of disease. We don't know.

982
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:56.599
<v Speaker 2>But when I did the Dark Outdoors podcast, and if

983
00:48:56.599 --> 00:48:58.639
<v Speaker 2>you if you're interested in the topic, please don't listen

984
00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:03.000
<v Speaker 2>to my Dark Outdoors podcast platform on the lost tribes

985
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:04.280
<v Speaker 2>and stuff, because.

986
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:05.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for other reports.

987
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:08.760
<v Speaker 2>But I had a guy reach out to me whose

988
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:11.960
<v Speaker 2>father was a sheriff in one of those counties, in

989
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:16.079
<v Speaker 2>the seventies and he had his own report that was

990
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:18.159
<v Speaker 2>told him by hunters who ran into some of these

991
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:20.480
<v Speaker 2>guys at night, had an arrow shot at him.

992
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:21.880
<v Speaker 1>They pointed the guns at him.

993
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:24.559
<v Speaker 2>And they all scattered in the woods, and the sheriff

994
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:26.679
<v Speaker 2>thought it was bs went in there and found the

995
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:30.320
<v Speaker 2>era and took pictures, and as a teenager he saw

996
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:32.960
<v Speaker 2>the picture of the polaroid and the evidence they had

997
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:37.639
<v Speaker 2>when they went and investigated this. So to me, the

998
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:42.480
<v Speaker 2>idea of like maybe some people who were tribal or

999
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:46.239
<v Speaker 2>had been living out there that way primitive people stayed primitive,

1000
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:49.119
<v Speaker 2>to me seems maybe a little more likely and just

1001
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:50.519
<v Speaker 2>some farm boy throughout.

1002
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:51.280
<v Speaker 1>The woods, you know.

1003
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:56.280
<v Speaker 2>So that's really intriguing to me, you know, of what

1004
00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:59.119
<v Speaker 2>could have happened and survived and things like that.

1005
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.880
<v Speaker 1>But there are other I heard. I heard a pretty

1006
00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:03.320
<v Speaker 1>crazy report from Oklahoma.

1007
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:07.559
<v Speaker 2>Uh that was, you know, someone allegedly on a on

1008
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:10.199
<v Speaker 2>a search and rescue saw what they described as a

1009
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:13.679
<v Speaker 2>person running at pretty astounding speeds for a person, uh,

1010
00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:18.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, without looks like they didn't have normal clothes

1011
00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:21.559
<v Speaker 2>on in an area of Oklahoma, hiding in the rocks

1012
00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:22.079
<v Speaker 2>and stuff.

1013
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:23.840
<v Speaker 1>You know. That was really weird.

1014
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:27.159
<v Speaker 2>And and then there's other parts of this.

1015
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, there are people who just went off grid.

1016
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:34.920
<v Speaker 2>And maybe there there have been people maybe who have

1017
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:39.599
<v Speaker 2>graised families off grid and and kept going back into

1018
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:43.079
<v Speaker 2>a more primal state just because of the way they

1019
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:44.800
<v Speaker 2>lived generationally.

1020
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:46.159
<v Speaker 1>And that's one of the.

1021
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:48.159
<v Speaker 2>Things I opened up about, like this, you know, this

1022
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:49.320
<v Speaker 2>lost tribe stuff.

1023
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:51.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But I also asked a question.

1024
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Could there have been you think about the sixties and

1025
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:55.719
<v Speaker 2>people wanted to get back to nature and there's a

1026
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:57.719
<v Speaker 2>group there was a group called the Rainbow People.

1027
00:50:57.480 --> 00:50:59.519
<v Speaker 1>That lived in the woods and there was a.

1028
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Bunch of hit drop an acid, but they were you know,

1029
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:04.519
<v Speaker 2>they were wanting to live out of nature. Could there

1030
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:06.679
<v Speaker 2>have been people who decided, you know, we're gonna go

1031
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:10.280
<v Speaker 2>off grid and been kind of degenerating into something like this.

1032
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:12.159
<v Speaker 2>It's just the ideas that have about it.

1033
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:17.079
<v Speaker 3>I know that I have personally seen footprints that were definite,

1034
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:21.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean human shape. Whenever it comes to bigfoot tracks,

1035
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:27.239
<v Speaker 3>there are certain characteristics that a lot of us know

1036
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:32.679
<v Speaker 3>about that we look for, and these had things that

1037
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:36.440
<v Speaker 3>were human quality that were missing in bigfoot tracks. And

1038
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:40.079
<v Speaker 3>then whenever you start you know, I've heard talking in

1039
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:44.719
<v Speaker 3>the woods that I couldn't figure out, you know, who

1040
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:49.079
<v Speaker 3>it was there. There's no evidence of people. And whenever

1041
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:54.400
<v Speaker 3>you're talking about vocalizations like bigfoot have all these wide

1042
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:58.639
<v Speaker 3>range of primate vocalizations, it doesn't make a lot of

1043
00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:02.960
<v Speaker 3>sense for something that can scream and howl from mountaintop

1044
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:05.519
<v Speaker 3>to mountaintop to also be able to whisper and talk

1045
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:06.480
<v Speaker 3>in a language.

1046
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:08.519
<v Speaker 1>Now, this is interesting.

1047
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:15.559
<v Speaker 2>You mentioned the the language component or the idea of

1048
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:18.280
<v Speaker 2>hearing like, you know, just human talking in the woods.

1049
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:22.320
<v Speaker 2>I know someone who was on a deer stand in

1050
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:27.800
<v Speaker 2>East Texas and told me they absolutely heard the words

1051
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:30.719
<v Speaker 2>feels good.

1052
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Like any what method was? What feels good? What are

1053
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:38.119
<v Speaker 1>you talking? But it was a human voice.

1054
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:42.079
<v Speaker 2>And I've definitely heard people here hear stuff like that,

1055
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.480
<v Speaker 2>and so, uh there, I think I think that's a

1056
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:47.960
<v Speaker 2>topic that I know, I'm I'm going to explore a

1057
00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:51.360
<v Speaker 2>lot more because I think what you're you know, you're

1058
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:54.000
<v Speaker 2>obviously a very good researcher. You're you're coming across as

1059
00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:55.639
<v Speaker 2>there's some things out there, and I've heard it in

1060
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:58.119
<v Speaker 2>your other part. Questions for me about some of these

1061
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:01.920
<v Speaker 2>ape like things that maybe maybe everything that's lumped into

1062
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot isn't bigfoot. You know that there's other stuff out there,

1063
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:08.199
<v Speaker 2>and that salute you for that, because that's kind of

1064
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:11.039
<v Speaker 2>where I'm going on a few things. And this tribal

1065
00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:13.000
<v Speaker 2>thing just got me, especially when I had the report

1066
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:16.159
<v Speaker 2>outside of Rob's book. You know what got me that,

1067
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:18.119
<v Speaker 2>the report that made me believe the reports in the

1068
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:21.360
<v Speaker 2>book was I'm a writer. I have published about ten

1069
00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:24.480
<v Speaker 2>thousand men, paid for about ten thousand articles over the years,

1070
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:30.480
<v Speaker 2>and every kind of publication you think of, and if

1071
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:33.559
<v Speaker 2>I want to lead someone to a certain direction, I

1072
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:35.320
<v Speaker 2>would know how to do that, you know what I mean.

1073
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:39.119
<v Speaker 2>And I can kind of I can't take and always

1074
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:41.960
<v Speaker 2>find every liar because some people are really good, but

1075
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I can quite often go as a bs you know

1076
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:45.400
<v Speaker 2>what I mean.

1077
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:47.599
<v Speaker 1>That's not written, something's up there.

1078
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:52.320
<v Speaker 2>But one of these reports was an early some early

1079
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:56.320
<v Speaker 2>power lines in the area alignment up a line poll

1080
00:53:56.599 --> 00:53:58.960
<v Speaker 2>looking down and there were six of these guys down

1081
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:02.159
<v Speaker 2>there looking at him. He described as primitive Indians with

1082
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:06.920
<v Speaker 2>primitive weapons, and primitive that looked very meat agitated to him.

1083
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:10.840
<v Speaker 1>If I were going to make up a story about seeing,

1084
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:16.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, some primitive survival tribe. You know, it would

1085
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:18.320
<v Speaker 1>have been a whole lot more dramatic and wouldn't have

1086
00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:20.960
<v Speaker 1>involved a power pole in alignment, you know what I mean.

1087
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so, and what was interesting is two of

1088
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:27.400
<v Speaker 2>these different reports have mentioned six people.

1089
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:29.760
<v Speaker 1>They saw six of these primitive people allegedly.

1090
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:32.360
<v Speaker 2>And when I did some research on one of the

1091
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:34.920
<v Speaker 2>one of these tribes in the region, it said that

1092
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:39.519
<v Speaker 2>the men would often travel in groups of six hunting parties.

1093
00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:44.000
<v Speaker 1>So that was interesting. Now there's needs are not widespread reports.

1094
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:46.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, this is in a pocket, but could there

1095
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:47.360
<v Speaker 1>be something.

1096
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Similar that's or maybe like people that went back in

1097
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Livoy and raised families off grid and.

1098
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:57.280
<v Speaker 1>Just knew how to do. I think it's worth exploring.

1099
00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:00.119
<v Speaker 2>And I'll be honest wably on my dark outdoors to

1100
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:03.480
<v Speaker 2>raise awareness a true crime and terrifying encounters. And that

1101
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:06.239
<v Speaker 2>might be a bigfoot, that might be a wild boar,

1102
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:08.199
<v Speaker 2>or it might be you know Ted Bundy.

1103
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Back in the day.

1104
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:11.599
<v Speaker 2>And I'll be honest with you, brother, if I walked

1105
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:15.599
<v Speaker 2>out in the woods in twenty twenty five and saw

1106
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:18.440
<v Speaker 2>a seven foot tall guy that looked like a crankola

1107
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:24.119
<v Speaker 2>and he had, you know, a primitive arrow aimed at me.

1108
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:26.679
<v Speaker 1>I'd be terrified. I would say, hold on, brother, I

1109
00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:28.719
<v Speaker 1>hope you're playing. I hope this is the best cosplay

1110
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen, you know, or maybe that's even scarier,

1111
00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:35.360
<v Speaker 1>But you know, I would think, what just not just

1112
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:37.159
<v Speaker 1>go back in time, you know what I mean? It's

1113
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:37.719
<v Speaker 1>so weird.

1114
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:41.559
<v Speaker 2>And then the people talk about there was this I'm

1115
00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:43.719
<v Speaker 2>trying to track down the person. There's a Duck's a

1116
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:47.239
<v Speaker 2>limited podcast and they tell a story, a second hand

1117
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:49.519
<v Speaker 2>story as someone who was halkhunting the thermals in East

1118
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Texas and saw this thing come up and I thought

1119
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:55.400
<v Speaker 2>it was a hog at first and realized it was

1120
00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:58.199
<v Speaker 2>a human form, and it was like asking for help,

1121
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:01.840
<v Speaker 2>crying for help. Weird sounds, blow the voices. I'm trying

1122
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:04.679
<v Speaker 2>to track down a first person of that. Some of

1123
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:08.400
<v Speaker 2>that stuff to me is far scarier than like a bigfoot.

1124
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh for sure, it gets into like you know, like

1125
00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:15.920
<v Speaker 2>horror movie land here, But I think it's at the

1126
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:17.920
<v Speaker 2>point it's worth looking at.

1127
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:20.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't believe every.

1128
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Thing is a you know, it's some kind of a

1129
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:25.920
<v Speaker 2>feral person, but I think it is a topic that

1130
00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:29.079
<v Speaker 2>we need to look out more. And because what's going

1131
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:32.360
<v Speaker 2>to happen, is is my prediction is to I travel

1132
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:37.199
<v Speaker 2>the country a lot, and we are developing everything. If

1133
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:40.159
<v Speaker 2>it's in a national park or something, it's getting developed,

1134
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:42.400
<v Speaker 2>or there's a lot of these part with the bottom lands,

1135
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:47.360
<v Speaker 2>they're making dams. So if there is feral people and things,

1136
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:49.639
<v Speaker 2>I think there's gonna be a lot more encounters with

1137
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:51.920
<v Speaker 2>them because of what we're doing to their to the

1138
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:52.760
<v Speaker 2>habitat out there.

1139
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:55.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, just like you were talking about earlier, that report,

1140
00:56:56.039 --> 00:57:00.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, down in like you know, the eighties, the

1141
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:05.000
<v Speaker 3>amount of development that has happened since the eighties until

1142
00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:09.039
<v Speaker 3>now is crazy compared to all the time prior to that.

1143
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's not You're right, it's not even comparable to

1144
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:15.679
<v Speaker 2>any time. You could take every development done before nineteen

1145
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:18.960
<v Speaker 2>eighty nine and then compare it to eighty nine to

1146
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:21.599
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five, and it would be ten times. Yeah,

1147
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:24.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's it's it's unbelievable.

1148
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:28.840
<v Speaker 1>So, you know, but the idea.

1149
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:30.320
<v Speaker 2>That there could be some things like that out there

1150
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:32.159
<v Speaker 2>would be really strange, you know. And I think this

1151
00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:36.079
<v Speaker 2>brings up an interesting point about all of this is

1152
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:42.400
<v Speaker 2>that I think the greatest asset that all this mysterious

1153
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:44.280
<v Speaker 2>stuff has is that people are.

1154
00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:45.119
<v Speaker 1>Free to talk about it.

1155
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I know people see stuff and I've been talking.

1156
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:51.280
<v Speaker 2>I've had people come up to me and talk about

1157
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:54.159
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot and somebody be with them and I'm looking them

1158
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:55.880
<v Speaker 2>in the eye and their friends tell them me it's

1159
00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:57.920
<v Speaker 2>not saying word. I'm like, they had something happen to you,

1160
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:01.039
<v Speaker 2>They no doubt, but that I want to talk And

1161
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:03.320
<v Speaker 2>that's fine, And I don't blame them actually a lot

1162
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:06.079
<v Speaker 2>of times, but I think people see a lot more

1163
00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:08.239
<v Speaker 2>of this weird stuff and just write it off as whatever,

1164
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:13.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, whatever it is, you know, And there's definitely

1165
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:16.199
<v Speaker 2>some stuff out there. And what I've learned do in

1166
00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:19.280
<v Speaker 2>the Dark Outdoors podcast is that you know, like there's

1167
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:20.760
<v Speaker 2>a lot of dangers out a lot of crime, a

1168
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:24.719
<v Speaker 2>lot of occult activity in these places. But there's stuff

1169
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:27.960
<v Speaker 2>that happens in the wilds of America that like the

1170
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:29.880
<v Speaker 2>media just doesn't pick up.

1171
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:33.280
<v Speaker 1>On at all. They do it doesn't connect.

1172
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:34.960
<v Speaker 2>It to the wild, They connect it to like a

1173
00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:38.519
<v Speaker 2>county city. But when you start putting patterns together, you

1174
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:41.159
<v Speaker 2>start seeing these really bizarre things happening in the places

1175
00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:44.079
<v Speaker 2>that we love to go and scary enough think there

1176
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:46.719
<v Speaker 2>might be some kind of a you know, predator out there,

1177
00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:50.159
<v Speaker 2>a serial killer, or you know, just some weird criminal.

1178
00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:52.679
<v Speaker 2>But we start adding that and you go, oh, there

1179
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:55.920
<v Speaker 2>might be some you know, feral cannibal woman in the woods.

1180
00:58:56.360 --> 00:58:59.360
<v Speaker 2>You know, it really takes the creep factor up.

1181
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:04.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, whenever you start talking about the idea of there

1182
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:07.519
<v Speaker 3>might be people out there, because people are the most

1183
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:09.519
<v Speaker 3>dangerous thing on the planet by far.

1184
00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's that's when I started the Dark Out There's podcasts.

1185
00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:13.760
<v Speaker 1>I had all these things happened to.

1186
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:16.039
<v Speaker 2>Me over the years in the while of people. And

1187
00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:18.320
<v Speaker 2>I was given a lecture on faral hogs and I

1188
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:20.159
<v Speaker 2>did Q and a somebody said, he's us, you, what's

1189
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:22.280
<v Speaker 2>the most dangerous thing in the woods? And I knew

1190
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:24.280
<v Speaker 2>they thought I was gonna say a Farrell hog or

1191
00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:25.599
<v Speaker 2>a bear or a rattlesnakers.

1192
00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:28.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh people. Yeah, And the room got quiet, and then

1193
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:31.039
<v Speaker 1>you're right. I'm like, dude, it ain't even a contest,

1194
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:31.800
<v Speaker 1>you know.

1195
00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:37.599
<v Speaker 2>So and you know, running into people that are just

1196
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:42.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, got the most nefarious intentions out there, and

1197
00:59:43.360 --> 00:59:45.719
<v Speaker 2>from the drug trade, which is I had an incident

1198
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:47.880
<v Speaker 2>with that in California back when I did my cage die.

1199
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:49.639
<v Speaker 2>That same trip, we went out and my dad went

1200
00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:51.840
<v Speaker 2>up to Redwoods and got chased off a mountain, and

1201
00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:52.360
<v Speaker 2>I know, all.

1202
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:52.800
<v Speaker 1>The night.

1203
00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:55.960
<v Speaker 2>It was like I was in an action movie, except

1204
00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:58.159
<v Speaker 2>I was in a rental, little cheesy rental car, and

1205
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:00.440
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have some hot chick with me, you know,

1206
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:02.559
<v Speaker 2>driving down the mountain, I feel like I was in

1207
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:05.360
<v Speaker 2>some like missing mission impossible movie, you know.

1208
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:08.159
<v Speaker 1>Uh. And it was like.

1209
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:10.360
<v Speaker 2>People on the drug train without a question, and we

1210
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:12.280
<v Speaker 2>had we had an encounter up there and we got

1211
01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:12.800
<v Speaker 2>checked it.

1212
01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:15.079
<v Speaker 1>It was crazy crazy. So it's of one of my episodes.

1213
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:17.719
<v Speaker 1>And I called the Forest Service and told them and

1214
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:19.039
<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh, it's drug runners.

1215
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:21.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I said, you guys have a freakin elk

1216
01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:22.719
<v Speaker 2>crossing side.

1217
01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:25.719
<v Speaker 1>You could have warned this about trafficking in the area.

1218
01:00:26.639 --> 01:00:28.480
<v Speaker 1>And they were like yeah, man, And I remember it.

1219
01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Goes and like and I'm like, like, if I come back,

1220
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I said, number one, I won't go back to that

1221
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:33.800
<v Speaker 2>area ever again. But if I come up with flooring

1222
01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:36.079
<v Speaker 2>these woods up here in northern California, can I carry

1223
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:36.559
<v Speaker 2>a gun.

1224
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:37.519
<v Speaker 1>In National forest land?

1225
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:43.079
<v Speaker 2>And a California Forest Service official told me you should. Yeah,

1226
01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:45.800
<v Speaker 2>So my slogan on dark outdoors just pray, prepare, and

1227
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:46.800
<v Speaker 2>pack heat.

1228
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:50.800
<v Speaker 3>There's a certain area in Oklahoma that already has a

1229
01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:53.960
<v Speaker 3>stigma related to it, but uh, I know some people

1230
01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:57.639
<v Speaker 3>that went there to check it out common Bigfoot area

1231
01:00:57.760 --> 01:01:02.320
<v Speaker 3>for investigators to go to, and they got met by

1232
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:05.079
<v Speaker 3>either a ranger or a game order on the way out,

1233
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:08.760
<v Speaker 3>I think a ranger, and he asked them, do you

1234
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:10.840
<v Speaker 3>guys got any firearms on you? And they're like, no,

1235
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:12.960
<v Speaker 3>we don't carry guns with us, and he was like,

1236
01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:14.599
<v Speaker 3>well you should if you're coming here.

1237
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Wow, there you go, there you go. I have had

1238
01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:23.440
<v Speaker 1>multiple crazy run ins, you know.

1239
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:27.920
<v Speaker 2>And the area that I have found most dangerous is

1240
01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:32.480
<v Speaker 2>not the deep woods. It's those areas that are located

1241
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:36.280
<v Speaker 2>within twenty thirty miles in a major metro area that

1242
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:41.119
<v Speaker 2>are easily accessible for criminals, like the San Houston National

1243
01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:45.519
<v Speaker 2>Forest right in the Houston metro area, and there's so

1244
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:48.519
<v Speaker 2>much crazy stuff and there were decapitation lines set on

1245
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:49.400
<v Speaker 2>the biking trails.

1246
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:50.280
<v Speaker 3>Jeez.

1247
01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's pictures of that out there.

1248
01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:56.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean when I first went down this alley of

1249
01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:59.199
<v Speaker 2>doing dark outdoors, I was at a National Wild Turkey

1250
01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:02.519
<v Speaker 2>Federation event. At this awards ceremony, and I mean a

1251
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:05.000
<v Speaker 2>game board and we got separate awards, me and media

1252
01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:06.679
<v Speaker 2>and him like a you know, a law enforcement thing.

1253
01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:07.880
<v Speaker 1>And I said, hey, I.

1254
01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Love to talk to you sometime for a program I'm

1255
01:02:10.119 --> 01:02:12.199
<v Speaker 2>thinking about developing about dangers in the wild.

1256
01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure you have some stories to award.

1257
01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:15.199
<v Speaker 2>He looks at me and goes, oh, you mean like

1258
01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:18.000
<v Speaker 2>all those missing people around the San Houston National Force.

1259
01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:19.239
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1260
01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:23.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, okay, you know, so you know there's that

1261
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:28.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff, and so that is pretty intense, you know,

1262
01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:29.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like Sanuison National Force.

1263
01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:33.360
<v Speaker 1>There was a dude him and his brother is the

1264
01:02:33.400 --> 01:02:33.760
<v Speaker 1>only name.

1265
01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Jerry Dean has Missing Persons of America on Facebook. I

1266
01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:41.360
<v Speaker 2>hate to say this. At last I had heard from her.

1267
01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:44.480
<v Speaker 2>She had cancer. I'm not sure she's still a post

1268
01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:47.239
<v Speaker 2>or whatever's going on. I hope she's doing well. But

1269
01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:50.920
<v Speaker 2>she does Missing Persons of America to help raise awareness

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01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:53.079
<v Speaker 2>to missing people after the law enforcement kind of give

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<v Speaker 2>up on it, and somebody helping her goes do doing

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<v Speaker 2>a map and goes, if you notice all the missing

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<v Speaker 2>people and Mactgommery in Santaceno County, Texas or Liberty County

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01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:05.159
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, those two two counties. There were like forty

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<v Speaker 2>missing people in this one pretty lowly populated area, and then.

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<v Speaker 1>It's up to about sixty.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they're not all in the National Forest, but some

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<v Speaker 2>of them are, and it's all around that San Hoastern

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<v Speaker 2>National Forest.

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<v Speaker 1>And she mentioned to me these two brothers in the

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<v Speaker 1>late seventies.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them was like twenty one twenty two, other

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01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:24.840
<v Speaker 2>one was sixteen seventeen, and that in one summer they

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01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:27.519
<v Speaker 2>caught and raped and killed like a couple of ladies.

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01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:30.639
<v Speaker 2>Well being that our wonderful criminal justice system was like

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01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:32.719
<v Speaker 2>the guy who was a miner at that time got

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01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:34.000
<v Speaker 2>out when he was twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, that's wonderful. Let those guys out and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And so a.

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<v Speaker 2>Couple of years back, they found a body in a

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<v Speaker 2>barrel in San Jacina County.

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<v Speaker 1>I got his property and it was his property.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you look on the map at the address

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01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:56.280
<v Speaker 2>across the streets the San Hoaston National Forest, that's so creepy, man.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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01:03:57.239 --> 01:04:00.480
<v Speaker 2>So that kind of stuff goes on and it caught,

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01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:04.400
<v Speaker 2>it flies under the radar, you know. So it's pretty

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01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:07.239
<v Speaker 2>pretty wild stuff out there. And so we talk about

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01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:09.960
<v Speaker 2>on dark outdoors and you know, and trying to make

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01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:12.360
<v Speaker 2>people shine a light on those issues. And we do

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<v Speaker 2>a segment every episode about preparation. Uh I do a

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01:04:16.079 --> 01:04:19.239
<v Speaker 2>thing about how to defend yourself. Might be from an animal,

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01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:21.679
<v Speaker 2>it might be a strategic later approach. The woods might

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01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:24.599
<v Speaker 2>be an app people can use. Also do a missing

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01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:27.239
<v Speaker 2>person that's missing in the wild, trying to raise awareness

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01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:31.719
<v Speaker 2>to maybe help find some missing people. And so it's

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01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:34.280
<v Speaker 2>been a journey, but it ties in all this weird stuff,

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01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:36.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, and as you know, you've been out there

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01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:38.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot. Man, the more you appeel back the layer,

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<v Speaker 2>the weirder it gets.

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<v Speaker 3>I know. You do a lot of speaking events. Do

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<v Speaker 3>you got some future projects lined up or events that

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to be at.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>I will be at the Falc Monster Festival twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five there in Falk, Arkansas, and I'll be speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>At the dinner the night before.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a for everything, and I'm speaking on some

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01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:04.840
<v Speaker 2>new stuff on the Phantom Killer of text Sarcannon from

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01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:07.719
<v Speaker 2>the Town the Dread and Sundown because textar Canon is

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01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:10.960
<v Speaker 2>twenty miles away from there, so it's really cool topic

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01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:14.760
<v Speaker 2>on that and some dark outdoors topics I'm also speaking

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01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:17.960
<v Speaker 2>at an event in Kentucky, and I don't think the

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01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:20.239
<v Speaker 2>announced that yet, so I don't want to give any

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01:05:20.239 --> 01:05:23.760
<v Speaker 2>info on that till it's announced. I'm also speaking at

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01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Randy Hutchings Tennessee Wildman and Cryptic con in Mcmannville, Tennessee

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01:05:28.599 --> 01:05:33.119
<v Speaker 2>in August, and I'll be speaking at telude beIN Bigfoot

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01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Conference this December, and a couple of other things they

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01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:36.800
<v Speaker 2>haven't announced yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool and you can find Dark Outdoors on every podcast

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01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:45.280
<v Speaker 3>app I assume YouTube everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Well not on YouTube, but all the podcasting apps. There

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01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:51.320
<v Speaker 2>is on the chester More YouTube channel, there is a

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01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:55.079
<v Speaker 2>there is a little playlist for some Dark Outdoors videos

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01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:58.840
<v Speaker 2>with Dark Outdoors is on Spotify. You know all iHeartRadio,

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01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Apple Pop. I guess all of them and check it out.

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01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:05.119
<v Speaker 2>I got about thirty episodes up or go weekly on

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01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:07.960
<v Speaker 2>February twenty fifth. Also have a Global Bigfoot YouTube channel.

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01:06:07.960 --> 01:06:10.440
<v Speaker 2>I've started with some pretty interesting bigfoot stuff on there.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I'm just a glutton for punishment. I

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01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:16.239
<v Speaker 2>like giving myself too much work.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, I'm the same way. There's nothing wrong with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:24.880
<v Speaker 3>one final question. Then we'll call our quits after it's

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01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:28.559
<v Speaker 3>all said and done with the man of many bandannas.

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01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:31.679
<v Speaker 3>What do you want your legacy to be? What do

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01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:32.639
<v Speaker 3>you want to be known for?

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01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:34.559
<v Speaker 1>M man?

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01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm never I've actually never probably really thought of

1349
01:06:37.880 --> 01:06:42.360
<v Speaker 2>that altogether. That I love children, and I love the Lord,

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01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:45.840
<v Speaker 2>and I happen to like wildlife a little bit too.

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01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:49.039
<v Speaker 3>Chester More, Thank you so much for joining me, brother,

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01:06:49.119 --> 01:06:51.719
<v Speaker 3>It's been fun. We're gonna have to stay in touch

1353
01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:54.519
<v Speaker 3>and definitely check out the Dark Outdoors podcast.

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01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:56.639
<v Speaker 1>Hey, thank you man.

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01:06:56.679 --> 01:06:58.119
<v Speaker 2>By the way, thank you for having me on this

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01:06:58.159 --> 01:07:00.719
<v Speaker 2>incredible podcast. You heard been one of the best interviewers

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01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:01.360
<v Speaker 2>I've ever had.

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01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:03.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh man, stop.

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01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:06.079
<v Speaker 2>No, no, You ask good questions, So thank you for

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01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:08.480
<v Speaker 2>that because you made me think a lot which is

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01:07:08.519 --> 01:07:09.159
<v Speaker 2>which is good?

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01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Also, get some in trouble sometimes.

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01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:15.079
<v Speaker 3>And if you've had your own encounter with Bigfoot, a

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01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:17.480
<v Speaker 3>feral human, or something else you can't explain, send me

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01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:20.320
<v Speaker 3>an email at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check

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01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:23.320
<v Speaker 3>out the website Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. You can find

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01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:27.519
<v Speaker 3>links to social media, past episodes, merchandise, everything you need

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01:07:27.639 --> 01:07:32.079
<v Speaker 3>all in one place. And until next time, remember there's

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<v Speaker 3>something in the woods.