Speaker 1: Twenty five years ago.
Speaker 2: This year, I had met Bobby Hamilton from the GCBO
Speaker 2: of the year before, and we're at this piece of
Speaker 2: property in Polk County, Texas that there have been some
Speaker 2: activity he was investigating.
Speaker 1: He said, we know what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2: We're just gonnasider here on a campfire and listened tonight
Speaker 2: about ten o'clock.
Speaker 1: We hear this.
Speaker 2: Type sound moan off to like, you know, be like
Speaker 2: oh like to the left of the campfire. And then
Speaker 2: about midnight it was directly in front of us, and
Speaker 2: it had circled us almost perfectly.
Speaker 1: By about two or three am, four o'clock, we had
Speaker 1: to leave.
Speaker 2: Bobby had to go somewhere. We had to go somewhere.
Speaker 2: We had two hours to drive home. Bobby had an
Speaker 2: hour to drive home. We put all our gear up,
Speaker 2: our guns up, our lights up, and then all heilbron loose.
Speaker 1: This thing started growling.
Speaker 2: Guttural, deep growls, and my dad, who was there with me,
Speaker 2: literally grabbed me and he goes, that's what we heard
Speaker 2: when you're a little kid.
Speaker 1: It was the same sound we had heard when.
Speaker 2: I was little kid, and at that moment I knew
Speaker 2: that whatever this was was a real thing.
Speaker 3: I would like to welcome Chester to the show. Chester Man,
Speaker 3: thanks for joining me, Chester Moore. You have been in
Speaker 3: the same circles as me forever. I actually remember, at
Speaker 3: least I think I do. I think it was the
Speaker 3: second annual Jefferson Bigfoot Conference meeting you and your father. Yep,
Speaker 3: me and dad.
Speaker 2: My dad was definitely when he was alive. He was
Speaker 2: always with me at those events.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Is he the one that kind of got you
Speaker 3: into the whole bigfoot thing?
Speaker 2: You know, I think we probably got into it together,
Speaker 2: you know, I was a little kid. I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess he did, because he showed me the Argacy magazine
Speaker 2: with the Patterson Gimwin pictures in it. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 2: that's my first memory of uh. He had had you know,
Speaker 2: at that point it had been out for five or
Speaker 2: six years, seven years or whatever, but he had a
Speaker 2: copy of it and he had got and showed me.
Speaker 2: And that's my first real life bigfoot memory.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So Dad probably was. Dad was probably the blame. You know.
Speaker 3: Now, you're all over the place whenever it comes to
Speaker 3: just wildlife, wildlife, conservation journalism. A man of many hats,
Speaker 3: let's I kind of you know, cheated and went on
Speaker 3: your Facebook and was looking at the different things you've got.
Speaker 3: The co founder of the King Dam Zoo Wildlife Center, which.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's where I'm at right now.
Speaker 3: Seems like a really awesome thing. We'll talk about that
Speaker 3: in a second. Editor in chief of Texas Fishing Game Magazine,
Speaker 3: founder of Higher Calling Wildlife and Gulf Great White Sharks.
Speaker 3: Something else we're going to talk about. And of course
Speaker 3: the host and creator of Dark Outdoors podcast Yeah.
Speaker 2: Baby and going weekly on February twenty fifth.
Speaker 1: With that one.
Speaker 2: So I do wear many bandanas or beanies pretty much.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, Man, being down in Texas and everything,
Speaker 3: I've never seen you wearing the customary crinkled up black
Speaker 3: leather cowboy hat.
Speaker 2: Well here's a funny story. My good friends Lyle and
Speaker 2: Ken both have that style. I never had the leather one,
Speaker 2: but I did wear like a black like kind of
Speaker 2: a weird material cowboy hat back in the day in
Speaker 2: my band early days in my band Freak thirteen, and
Speaker 2: I just kind of abandoned it because I ended up
Speaker 2: wearing a bandanna or something or whatever.
Speaker 1: And so even even I have a black cowboy hat
Speaker 1: tie into my good friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's mandatory, especially done there in Texas.
Speaker 1: He handles out at birth, the Marco sasquatch guy. They
Speaker 1: handles out at birth in Texas.
Speaker 3: So first off, Kingdom Zoo Wildlife Center. I went and
Speaker 3: checked out the website for that. It sounds like an
Speaker 3: awesome thing. Man, Do you want to talk about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, so me and my wife Lisa.
Speaker 2: Our mission is to bring the love of Christ to
Speaker 2: hurting children through wildlife encounters. You know, encounters of wildlife
Speaker 2: can be a very exciting and therapeutic and kind of
Speaker 2: what happens is if a kid has a trauma, a
Speaker 2: diagnosis or something, they think that life will never get
Speaker 2: better than when they got that diagnosis, or that abuse
Speaker 2: event happened, or that loss happens. So we find kids
Speaker 2: that are going through stuff that love animals and we
Speaker 2: give them wildlife encounters. We have a number of small
Speaker 2: exotics here at our facility, like the quad Mundy and
Speaker 2: the kinkajew and snakes and tortoises and cool stuff.
Speaker 1: And we're not open to the public.
Speaker 2: When the gate shuts here, I tell the kids the
Speaker 2: public can't come in.
Speaker 1: This is just for you.
Speaker 2: And we've been doing that for thirteen years this year,
Speaker 2: and we also do like we also go out and
Speaker 2: you know, if they have a favorite animal they want
Speaker 2: to meet somewhere, we'll take kid to meet that. So
Speaker 2: we've done everything from kids getting to play with white
Speaker 2: lion cubs oh wow, yeah, pretty amazing wolf encounters to
Speaker 2: kids meeting elephants and you know, you name it.
Speaker 1: And then we have a branch of.
Speaker 2: That higher calling wildlife that is like expeditions for kids
Speaker 2: in the same categories. We've been doing those out of
Speaker 2: Estes Park, Colorado did them and Yellowstone last year's Smoky
Speaker 2: Mountains in the Everglades.
Speaker 3: That's amazing. Man. You're not just interested in wildlife, obviously,
Speaker 3: it's this is truly a passion of yours and always
Speaker 3: has been. What ignited that passion for you? How did
Speaker 3: that all get started?
Speaker 2: That's really a great question because you know, I don't
Speaker 2: really never really try to figure out when that. I
Speaker 2: don't have a memory, I don't have a time frame
Speaker 2: in my life when I can't think that I was
Speaker 2: obsessed with wildlife.
Speaker 1: You know, I just remember growing up, you know, like hunting.
Speaker 2: And fishing with my dad, right and then reading outdoor
Speaker 2: magazines and then watching Mutual Lamaha's Wild Kingdom on television
Speaker 2: Jacques Coustelle Ocean Specials.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: Seeing Jaws really lit fire in me in a lot
Speaker 2: of ways. And I was always reading animal books at
Speaker 2: the library, and I just always loved the idea of
Speaker 2: encountering these wild, amazing creatures out there. And somehow, by
Speaker 2: the grace of God and a lot of hard work,
Speaker 2: I'm managed to covel together a career doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so awesome, man.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I grew up kind of in an outdoorsman sportsman family myself.
Speaker 3: I was actually raised by my great grandparents, and so
Speaker 3: my great grandfather had literally, you know, lived off the
Speaker 3: land growing up. And wow, you know, we were always
Speaker 3: out fishing and stuff, and I learned a lot from that.
Speaker 3: And like you're saying, uh, joqu Cousteau, Wild Kingdom, Uh,
Speaker 3: Wild America was another big one, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Marty South. I got to interview Marty. I got
Speaker 2: to interview Marty Stalf for like three times.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's awesome, which was.
Speaker 2: Incredible, super nice guy. Also got to interview Jim Fowler
Speaker 2: before he passed away, uh, which was from Wild Kingdom,
Speaker 2: which was like I almost cried. I mean it was
Speaker 2: so powerful getting to talk to that guy. So, you know,
Speaker 2: those were all just really cool things, you know. You
Speaker 2: know it's funny like I think my love wearing beanies
Speaker 2: in cool weather is Jacque Gusteau. Yeah, but I'm not
Speaker 2: a cool French guy, so I can't pull off red.
Speaker 2: So I'd to go to the metal version, do black.
Speaker 3: You know, Hey, there's nothing wrong with that. There you go.
Speaker 3: You know, crazy story my uncle. I actually found out eventually.
Speaker 3: I'd been into bigfoot for a while before my uncle
Speaker 3: ever approached me. And it was on Thanksgiving one day,
Speaker 3: you know, family get together, and he came up to me.
Speaker 3: I was like, so I hear you're into bigfoot and
Speaker 3: I was like yeah, and he said, you know I
Speaker 3: used to go out looking for bigfoot and wow, I'm like,
Speaker 3: how did I not know that about my uncle? You know?
Speaker 3: And uh, sure, he was stationed in the Navy whenever
Speaker 3: I was young, up in the Pacific Northwest, and so
Speaker 3: I know he went out a little bit there. I
Speaker 3: actually haven't talked to him a lot about it, but
Speaker 3: he said that he actually went out on a bigfoot
Speaker 3: expedition with Jim Fowler.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what he told you straight up.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it gets cooler than that.
Speaker 3: It can't. It can't. I mean, look, they did do
Speaker 3: a Yetty special, you know, Marlon Perkins, and so it
Speaker 3: was like, well, I mean, I guess it's possible, but
Speaker 3: that's crazy, you know. Uh so, yeah, maybe the.
Speaker 2: Only thing that would get to that level would be
Speaker 2: in a shark cage with Cousteau.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be about it.
Speaker 3: That would be nuts.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, speaking of sharks, uh yeah, always been in the
Speaker 3: sharks as a youngster myself, seeing Jaws, just like you're saying.
Speaker 3: I actually did a science fair project on sharks back
Speaker 3: in elementary school.
Speaker 1: Very cool.
Speaker 3: Great Whites in the Gulf. I know there's been a
Speaker 3: couple of sightings off of Florida. Has there ever been
Speaker 3: anything off the coast of Texas?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, brother, So go to Gulf Great Whites dot com.
Speaker 2: That's my shameless plug in my blog.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So ty years ago this year, just twenty years ago,
Speaker 2: a friend of mine who was a charter captain, a
Speaker 2: young charter captain. We're both young in our career doing this,
Speaker 2: and he I knew he.
Speaker 1: Had a satellite phone. I knew he's fishing that they
Speaker 1: called me from satellite phone. He was offshore fifty.
Speaker 2: Think that maybe fifty three miles out of Sabine Pass
Speaker 2: here in the Texas louisian A border. And he goes, Dude,
Speaker 2: what's the difference between a great white and a mako's teeth?
Speaker 2: And I go A mako's all jangly and a great
Speaker 2: white's the perfect triangles.
Speaker 1: And they got quiet.
Speaker 2: He goes, I'm looking at a great white about fifteen
Speaker 2: feet long behind.
Speaker 1: The boat here out of Sabine Pass.
Speaker 2: And when he pulled up to this rig, all the
Speaker 2: workers on the rig were pointing down giant shark, and
Speaker 2: he couldn't see it at first, and eventually it hung
Speaker 2: around the boat for a few minutes, as they tend
Speaker 2: to do sometimes. And I started digging into white shark
Speaker 2: reports in the golf and wrote an article for Tide
Speaker 2: magazine that year's a little controversial and.
Speaker 1: There are no great wits in the gold or whatever.
Speaker 2: But I had record Noah who had longline evidence of
Speaker 2: off the Gulf side of Florida, and I had some
Speaker 2: newspaper report from the nineteen fifty in Porta, Ransas, Texas.
Speaker 2: And then a group put o search in probably around
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen or so, I started putting satellite transmitters in
Speaker 2: great whites.
Speaker 1: They caught off the Atlantic coast.
Speaker 2: And voila, they started popping up around Panama City, Florida, Pensacola,
Speaker 2: and then amazingly kind of the game changer was last
Speaker 2: February twenty sixth of twenty twenty four, a twenty six
Speaker 2: hundred pounds great white named Leebeth, tagged by the Atlantic
Speaker 2: White Shark Conservancy and a guy named Captain Chapsonship Michael
Speaker 2: Love off the coast South Carolina, showed up one hundred
Speaker 2: yards from the beach at South Padre Island, Texas.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: She was only tagged December eight, twenty three, so she
Speaker 2: came all the way across the Gulf, then went down
Speaker 2: in New Mexico, made a trip all all the Texas coast.
Speaker 2: And my buddy who saw that white shark at that
Speaker 2: point nineteen years earlier, I told him about the shark
Speaker 2: and Texas downloaded the shark tivity out that's the Atlantic
Speaker 2: White Shark conservaty app. And he beat me too, and
Speaker 2: he texted me one morning with a screenshot. He goes,
Speaker 2: go look at the app he said, the shark that
Speaker 2: I saw, this shark that was at Padre is now
Speaker 2: about five miles from the rig that I saw mine
Speaker 2: at twenty years ago.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So it was cool. Anyway, she ended up in Nova Scotia.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So go figure that crazy, yeah and sing And so
Speaker 2: there's a whole thing. And I have a documentary coming
Speaker 2: out about white sharks in the Gulf, gonna be out June,
Speaker 2: and me and my friend Paul Pazinski. Paul does the
Speaker 2: wild Man of the Woods big Foot Channel. I'm his narrator,
Speaker 2: and me and Paul are doing something pretty special on
Speaker 2: great whites. And I got the blog out and it's.
Speaker 1: Just a it's a cool thing.
Speaker 2: I got to a cage dive with whites and the
Speaker 2: Fara lines back in two of three somewhere in there.
Speaker 2: And I've got to go up on the Cape Cod
Speaker 2: area line year with the Atlantic white shark people and
Speaker 2: it was amazing. So that's like my ultimate apex favorite
Speaker 2: animal in the world is a great white shark.
Speaker 3: So how crazy was the cage dive?
Speaker 1: It was?
Speaker 2: Wild man, It's it's this whole like that could be
Speaker 2: a whole like documentary, Like my little pathetic cage dive, right,
Speaker 2: so like that'd because it's so much humor.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: We get out there and we almost didn't make it
Speaker 2: because it was so raw, and we go this I
Speaker 2: we go the Pharolns and you know, there's five of
Speaker 2: us and it was a couple who were from Las
Speaker 2: Vegas on their honeymoon, up, two brothers from the Bronx
Speaker 2: and me and you know, and we have to go
Speaker 2: get in the cage and put it down to make
Speaker 2: sure we can handle the cold water and everything because
Speaker 2: it's there's like fifty one degrees or something like that.
Speaker 1: So everybody gets in.
Speaker 2: We you know, our web suits are adequate whatever, and
Speaker 2: then we pull you know, I'm from Texas and I've
Speaker 2: caught hundreds of sharks.
Speaker 1: So I go. I'm like, look, I don't mind getting
Speaker 1: my hands dirty.
Speaker 2: I'll houck a chump. And the guy goes, sir, we
Speaker 2: can't chum here. I said, why not.
Speaker 1: He goes, we might attract sharks to people. I said,
Speaker 1: I thought, that's why I paid you five hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we're here for.
Speaker 2: He's like, well, we can't. We can bait, we can't
Speaker 2: chum like oh, semantic. So I thought, you pulled into
Speaker 2: a big giant box in the back of this boat.
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, I'm gonna pull a tuna out, and
Speaker 2: we're gonna hang a tuna overboard.
Speaker 1: And it was a yellow and red surfboard.
Speaker 2: And they said, we're gonna pull this behind the boat
Speaker 2: and it has kind of a silhouet of a great
Speaker 2: white and they might come up and hit it and
Speaker 2: look to look for it, and then most sharp and
Speaker 2: I went, look, I know y'all think I'm slow because
Speaker 2: I'm from Texas, I said, and I literally asked him
Speaker 2: this question.
Speaker 1: I said, let me get this right.
Speaker 2: You can't attract them the fish oil, which are naturally
Speaker 2: attracted to, but you can train them.
Speaker 1: They hit a surfboard. Yeah, and that's okay.
Speaker 3: Where's the logic?
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, And I went, did you go to Berkeley?
Speaker 1: And I kid you not, brother. He goes, how'd you know?
Speaker 1: I said, just a wild gas.
Speaker 3: Just a while.
Speaker 1: But it was it was amazing. Uh.
Speaker 2: It took us three hours to find a shark. And
Speaker 2: I'm it's one of those moments frozen in my mind.
Speaker 2: I'm eating a laized potato chip, looking at the back
Speaker 2: of the boat and I'm watching this surfboard that might
Speaker 2: be thirty five feet behind the boat, and a fifteen
Speaker 2: foot white shark comes.
Speaker 1: Up and hits it and does a three sixty oh wow.
Speaker 2: Before it hit the water, the second one side swiped it,
Speaker 2: and I went this is the coolest freaking moment.
Speaker 3: Of my lot, and I'm never going surfing here.
Speaker 1: The guy behind me goes, we're gonna eat a bigger boat.
Speaker 2: And they put the cage in the water, and it's
Speaker 2: kind of like that moment cage goes in the water,
Speaker 2: you're in the water, Sharks in the water from Jaws,
Speaker 2: you know, And like, so.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm doing math here. Man.
Speaker 2: There's a couple, there's two brothers, and there's me and
Speaker 2: room for two a time in a cage. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna completely get messed over here, right, And the
Speaker 2: guy from the couple comes up and goes, hey, Chester, man,
Speaker 2: my wife's kind of feeling seasick. So I think we're
Speaker 2: gonna not go in cage. And I'm like, and then
Speaker 2: the guy one of the guys that you know, our
Speaker 2: wet suits aren't quite adequate, you know, they're talking about,
Speaker 2: So I don't know. It was cold, so here I am.
Speaker 2: I wasn't because I was so brave. I just knew
Speaker 2: that I was on the precipice of a dream coming true.
Speaker 1: And if I didn't do this, I'd regret at.
Speaker 2: The rest of my life. And I don't want to
Speaker 2: see a great white. So I get in this cage
Speaker 2: and I am freaking terrified because this isn't like the Caribbean.
Speaker 2: It would been rough. So the visibility was maybe twelve
Speaker 2: thirteen feet brother maybe fifteen tops. So you're like, you know,
Speaker 2: jaw's is gonna be there.
Speaker 3: It ain't gonna be like not there and then there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it was right before I could afford a good
Speaker 2: digital underwater camera, so I had a print film underwater
Speaker 2: with thirty six shots and I'm sitting there awaking, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get this freaking sharp. And he comes up and
Speaker 2: they're pulling the surfboard by hand now and it gets
Speaker 2: caught on the cage and I'm like, oh, here I go.
Speaker 2: Here's when they hit l It's on the cage and
Speaker 2: we got it out and I'm in there and I
Speaker 2: was doing snooba so I could stay underwater for a
Speaker 2: long time. It didn't matter how long I was in there.
Speaker 2: The gases don't put up like a scuba so nothing
Speaker 2: goes on. And these little fish and a couple of
Speaker 2: squid came up around the cage, and I started I
Speaker 2: took a few pictures of him. I'm sitting there watching them.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm in the Pacific Ocean and freezing, freezing
Speaker 2: cold water, waiting for car car or down Carcaarrious to
Speaker 2: Great White.
Speaker 1: This is either really cool or really stupid. I don't
Speaker 1: know which one is. But I'm having a good time,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, all this little fish went
Speaker 2: and left, and I don't know how they did it,
Speaker 2: but I'm telling you, somebody pumped the Jaws music down
Speaker 2: there in my head at least, because I'm hearing, like,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it got to that and in the movie, somebody.
Speaker 3: Dies cage falls to the bottom of the ocean.
Speaker 1: I thought about that.
Speaker 2: And I'm watching and there's a giant shape comes below
Speaker 2: the cage. I can just see a black shape and
Speaker 2: starts kicking silt up, and it's moving around the cage
Speaker 2: in and out and circles me for maybe five minutes
Speaker 2: or so, keeps circling and I can't make it just
Speaker 2: hit a big shape, giant shape, and I'm like, oh
Speaker 2: my god. Well I was so cold by this point,
Speaker 2: I'm worried about like hypothermia. So I get up out
Speaker 2: of the cage and I say there was something down there,
Speaker 2: and they give me hot chocolate and then they like
Speaker 2: put the cage up. So they cranked the motor. It
Speaker 2: was been like ten seconds of crank in the motor
Speaker 2: and the black shape that was down there came up
Speaker 2: and hit it and it was an eighteen foot great.
Speaker 3: White Wow, that's huge.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: I got a picture of me holding the surfboard. We
Speaker 2: can see the bike radius on this sucker. It was
Speaker 2: like me and a half, you know. And so when
Speaker 2: it hit, it was so amazing, and.
Speaker 1: It had hang time, and I remember the eye turned
Speaker 1: and looked at us and some like you know, and
Speaker 1: it was amazing. It was one of them.
Speaker 2: I'm very grateful for that, but uh, you know, getting
Speaker 2: to be able to connect with that and teach people
Speaker 2: about like ocean wildlife conservation, come back with the great
Speaker 2: white shark after sort of persecution and all, that's.
Speaker 1: A lot of fun.
Speaker 2: And then what's the crypto guy gonna be into in
Speaker 2: the ocean anyway. We're not gonna be it into some
Speaker 2: little cheef fish.
Speaker 3: No, No, you're looking for great lights and giant squid
Speaker 3: there you go, and monsters exactly.
Speaker 1: I think I'd see.
Speaker 2: I'd rather be in the water without the cage with
Speaker 2: a white shark than a giant squid.
Speaker 1: Though, yeah, yeah, there was a big giant squid down there.
Speaker 1: Oh freak me out, man, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't trust those things anything with that many arms,
Speaker 2: I ain't trusted.
Speaker 3: Every time I read about squid or just octopus in general,
Speaker 3: it it kind of weirds me out. Man. They're they're
Speaker 3: not like anything else on the planet.
Speaker 2: No, man, I think octopus in particular amazing. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's so smart and everything, but they're so different. You're right,
Speaker 2: and uh, but you know that's just part of that
Speaker 2: I guess spirit of adventure, you know. And uh, I
Speaker 2: guess I guess Jim, Jim and Jack rubbed off on
Speaker 2: me in a big way.
Speaker 3: When did you decide to take the plunge into the
Speaker 3: world of Bigfoot?
Speaker 1: So I was always interested in my whole life.
Speaker 2: My dad showed me when I was probably four the
Speaker 2: Patterson Gillman Pictures in argacy.
Speaker 1: Uh And I thought that was amazing.
Speaker 2: And you couldn't be growing up in the late seventies
Speaker 2: and early eighties and not hearing about Bigfoot somehow on
Speaker 2: the media, right, And you know, I mean Steve Austin's
Speaker 2: battling Andre the Giant is in head whatever his name
Speaker 2: was from the Adams fam. Teed Cassidy from the Adams
Speaker 2: Family is Bigfoot on TV, which was awesome. But I
Speaker 2: also had seen the Legend of Boggie Creek. I was
Speaker 2: too young to see it the movies, but it replayed
Speaker 2: on cable. Oddly enough, as I'm getting surgery, I'm about
Speaker 2: to wheel me in for hernia surgery like six years
Speaker 2: old at Texas Children's Hospital, and the Legend Block Creek
Speaker 2: is playing on cable. I was mesmerized. I was I'd
Speaker 2: always wanted to heard about it, you know, I wanted
Speaker 2: to see it, and all.
Speaker 1: Of that really just made me.
Speaker 2: You know, I was always in like really enthralled by
Speaker 2: nature and then the mysterious side of it. Just I
Speaker 2: think the Lord always wanted me to be a journalist
Speaker 2: because I've always been such an investigator, and so to
Speaker 2: me it's like nature's awesome that these mysteries are making
Speaker 2: maybe a little extra awesome. And then reading stuff like
Speaker 2: you know, in my school library had Sasquatch The Apes
Speaker 2: among Us by John Green and still the greatest big
Speaker 2: book ever written. And you know, so all that stuff
Speaker 2: really got me into being interested in the topic.
Speaker 3: Did you guys, And by you guys, I mean you
Speaker 3: and your dad? Were you members of the gcbro.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. I had my.
Speaker 2: First experiences with Bobby Hamilton as a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: well not my first, not my first experience that happened
Speaker 2: when I was younger. Didn't know it was a big
Speaker 2: foot though until later.
Speaker 1: Can we tell that story of man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, Yeah, that's what we're here for.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, like my aunt had property in Dowton County and
Speaker 2: her lamb was about thirty five to forty minutes north
Speaker 2: of US and for me, as a little kid in
Speaker 2: the lower middle income household, this was like going on
Speaker 2: safari because they only eighty three acres in the middle
Speaker 2: of really dense woods and harbord bottom lands.
Speaker 1: I got to go squirrel hunting, rabbit hunting.
Speaker 2: We were rabbit hunting one night though we rabbit hunt
Speaker 2: was you put up. I have a little headlamp on
Speaker 2: and I bring my four team of dad out of
Speaker 2: a twelve gage and we go walk the property fence
Speaker 2: line looking for rabbits and that might be dinner tomorrow night,
Speaker 2: you know, fried rabbit, you know. And we're down this
Speaker 2: creek bottom and this thing starts growling at us, and
Speaker 2: it was unlike anything I'd ever heard. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: what's that? And he goes, I'll never forget this.
Speaker 1: He goes, well, uncle Bill's bulls must be caught in
Speaker 1: the fence down on the creek bottom. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: why don't we go help?
Speaker 2: And he goes, I think it'll be all right, you know,
Speaker 2: And we're getting out of.
Speaker 1: Hey, what is That's not a bull?
Speaker 2: And we were treated out of the woods and pretty quickly,
Speaker 2: and my dad finally stud I bet it was a
Speaker 2: black bear, because you know, although bears were execrated from
Speaker 2: me Texas at the time, Louisiana still had the Louisiana
Speaker 2: black bear subspecies and a few across the border. And
Speaker 2: for years I thought we had encountered a black bear
Speaker 2: that was mad at us until I started the freshman
Speaker 2: year of college and got to work with black Bears
Speaker 2: in captivity for two years and went, they don't make
Speaker 2: any sound remotely like that, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: And so fast forward.
Speaker 2: I am twenty five years ago. This year I had
Speaker 2: met Bobby Hamilton from the GCBO of the year before.
Speaker 2: He was very gracious to invite me and my dad
Speaker 2: out on an expedition. And we're at this piece of
Speaker 2: property in Polk County, Texas that there have been some
Speaker 2: activity he was investigating. He said, we know what we're
Speaker 2: gonna do. We're just gonna sit here on a campfire
Speaker 2: and listen tonight, Okay, about ten o'clock, we'll hear this
Speaker 2: type sound moan off to like, you know, like oh
Speaker 2: like to the left of the campfire. And then about
Speaker 2: midnight it was directly in front of us, and it
Speaker 2: had circled us almost perfectly by about two or three am.
Speaker 2: Didn't know what it was, but it was weird, and
Speaker 2: Bobby goes, we don't know, it was a little muffled,
Speaker 2: but it was something, you know.
Speaker 1: And we sat there and it was interesting.
Speaker 2: We told bigfoot stories all night and I listened to
Speaker 2: his stuff and it was cool.
Speaker 1: And we four o'clock we had to leave Bobby had
Speaker 1: to go somewhere.
Speaker 2: We had to go somewhere. We had two hours to
Speaker 2: drive home. Bobby had an hour to drive home. We
Speaker 2: put all our gear up, our guns up, our lights up,
Speaker 2: and then all helbro loose. This thing started growling guttural,
Speaker 2: deep growls, and my dad, who was there with me,
Speaker 2: literally grabbed me. He goes, that's what we heard when
Speaker 2: you were a little kid. It was the same sound
Speaker 2: we had heard when I was a little kid two hours.
Speaker 1: Away in East Texas.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And at that moment I knew that whatever this was
Speaker 2: was a real thing.
Speaker 1: You know, it was exist.
Speaker 2: But here's where it got really interesting. From a bigfoot
Speaker 2: re search your perspective. I had been that was August
Speaker 2: of the twentieth of two thousand. I had been to
Speaker 2: Venezuela that previous December, in December ninety nine fishing for peacock,
Speaker 2: bath payatta and piranha and the assault fair amount of monkeys,
Speaker 2: and I had howler monkeys you hear every day.
Speaker 1: So one particular hallow monkey was really close to me.
Speaker 2: And this thing sound we heard it had a very
Speaker 2: holler monkey s type tone. So whatever reason, genius boy
Speaker 2: here decided.
Speaker 1: To growl at it. So because I had growled, I
Speaker 1: had growled at a.
Speaker 2: Howler monkey up there, and it stopped and growled back
Speaker 2: at me, and a kid, you not, I growled once,
Speaker 2: this thing stopped and growled. Once I growled twice, it
Speaker 2: growled twice, and the same pattern when I hit three
Speaker 2: growls on the hallow monkey. This howler monkey built us
Speaker 2: up to a frenzy and was retreating in the trees,
Speaker 2: cracking branches.
Speaker 1: On the way out.
Speaker 2: This thing went into a high pinch screen was obviously
Speaker 2: breaking stuff as it ran away, And I went, that's
Speaker 2: a primate of some kind, because the same thing that
Speaker 2: that primate in South America that I know was a
Speaker 2: primemate did and it responded the same way.
Speaker 1: And I know Bigfoot's reel.
Speaker 2: They're in Texas, and I was spent two grand on
Speaker 2: night vision the next morning.
Speaker 3: You know, that's That's not the first time I've heard
Speaker 3: the comparison to a howler monkey. And that's also something
Speaker 3: that I've picked up on in some of the vocalizations.
Speaker 3: Do you think Bigfoot has like some sort of airsack?
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I really don't know.
Speaker 2: I just know I can't didn't it wasn't like an
Speaker 2: exact Holler Monkey sound, right, but it had the tones
Speaker 2: the only cone I've ever heard that was similar to it,
Speaker 2: you know, they had the guttural stuff, you know, like
Speaker 2: So there's a clip of the Sierra Sounds that is
Speaker 2: part of what we heard, and it was that that
Speaker 2: part that I heard that sound in there with the
Speaker 2: Haller Monkey stuff, and it was I've never heard the
Speaker 2: Sierra sounds before I had had this experience, so I
Speaker 2: heard him a few years later. But there's only two
Speaker 2: things I've ever heard is that one clip of Sierra
Speaker 2: Sounds and a Haller Monkey sounded really close to what
Speaker 2: we had encountered in there. And interesting, there was a
Speaker 2: guy named Jimmy Chilcut, right. Jimmy Chilcut was a latent
Speaker 2: fingerprint examiner for the Conro Police Department, and he spoke
Speaker 2: at two of my crypto conferences in Conrad. I think
Speaker 2: he spoke at one of Craig wool heaters as well,
Speaker 2: and he spoke at the Willow Creek conference in three
Speaker 2: And when I talked to him about my experiences, He's
Speaker 2: told me a side note and he told me, you
Speaker 2: know that he had kind of thought that you know,
Speaker 2: he had figured out from a couple of tracks that
Speaker 2: there is a dermal ridging it's different on a sasquatch creature,
Speaker 2: from a couple of tracks that were different everything else.
Speaker 2: And he said, you know, it's interesting you mentioned hower monkeys.
Speaker 2: I remember him telling you this. He said, the closest
Speaker 2: dermal ridging that I found on a known primate to
Speaker 2: what I think the sasquatch track is a hower monkey.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 1: So that was it. That was a little cool side note, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, yeah, for sure. So did you ever I
Speaker 3: would assume you did attend outings at Monster Central?
Speaker 1: Oh, dude, absolutely, many many.
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time at Monster Central Clyde
Speaker 2: between two thousand and two thousand and seven when off
Speaker 2: me and my dad there a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, went out there a lot.
Speaker 3: Did you have any crazy experiences there, because I've heard
Speaker 3: some some pretty intense stories from that location over the years.
Speaker 1: Brother, let me tell you something.
Speaker 2: I'm very grateful to Jim Lansdale for the opportunity to
Speaker 2: go out there. Had some wild stuff happen, had a
Speaker 2: lot of vocalizations for the first few years, a lot.
Speaker 1: Of stuff like the whoops, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: I heard multiple times. We heard the Ohio Howell type sound,
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And we had an encounter.
Speaker 2: Me and my friend Todd Jurassic, who was there one night,
Speaker 2: had a really bizarro encounter where one was stomping at
Speaker 2: us like it wanted us and they I mean it
Speaker 2: was There's a sound that I believe was the sasquatch
Speaker 2: sound that Jim I think Jim named it the bionic bird.
Speaker 1: It sounds similar to it sounds similar to.
Speaker 2: A screech out trill, but it's not a screech out trill, right,
Speaker 2: uh and uh I've heard that twice with footsteps. So
Speaker 2: if that's a freaking owl leaving footsteps, it's mothman, you know.
Speaker 1: Uh. And that night this thing was stomping at me
Speaker 1: and Todd coming.
Speaker 2: In and doing the bionic bird sound and obviously wanted
Speaker 2: us to know it was coming. Then they got dead
Speaker 2: quiet and it was like where are you now? It
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, there's a couple.
Speaker 1: It was. It was incredible, man. I uh.
Speaker 2: And there was a lot of cool stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: happening out there, and it was a cool piece of property.
Speaker 3: Did you get interested in other cryptids besides Bigfoot?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I did my own crypto conference for four
Speaker 2: years in Conra and only spoke on Bigfoot once.
Speaker 1: Uh. I have a I have a YouTube channel with Chester.
Speaker 2: More a while if journalist an investigator, and that channel
Speaker 2: has a whole series on black panthers, and uh, I said,
Speaker 2: eight part series on black panthers. So I'm really interested
Speaker 2: in that, like the red wolf Phenomenon's really interested and uh,
Speaker 2: you know a lot of that stuff is more like
Speaker 2: the known cryptids, misplaced animal stuff.
Speaker 1: I've always been really interested in that end of stuff.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of that stuff, you know, obviously
Speaker 3: it kind of layers over in the Bigfoot of core.
Speaker 3: Do you think there is activity of other cryptids that
Speaker 3: kind of gets put on Bigfoot or just assume that
Speaker 3: it's Bigfoot because that's where everybody's mind goes.
Speaker 2: That's a great question. Actually, I do think this. You know,
Speaker 2: Lauren Coleman wrote many years ago about what he called
Speaker 2: a nape, a North American ape and with more ape
Speaker 2: like tracks, more ape like behavior. And I have had
Speaker 2: multiple people tell me of seeing what they describe as
Speaker 2: baboons right in Texas in Louisiana, and they were two
Speaker 2: of the Louisiana reports were like probably within twenty miles
Speaker 2: of each other. In the East Texas reports fly fifty miles,
Speaker 2: so it's not a real big area. And then there's
Speaker 2: that really bizarre roadkill, the Ridder to quit at Wincy
Speaker 2: roadkill from nineteen ninety six that I don't know what
Speaker 2: the heck that thing is.
Speaker 1: That ties in. And then.
Speaker 2: I do think that there's other stuff that may be
Speaker 2: even more ape like I mean, uh and I my
Speaker 2: lectures last year on the topic were about feral apes.
Speaker 2: I do think that there are a very high chance
Speaker 2: of probability that some of the stuff going on in
Speaker 2: Florida are feral apes.
Speaker 3: You know, I know this sounds kind of silly, but
Speaker 3: the old Tarzan series and movies and everything, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of filming done in Florida, and supposedly a lot
Speaker 3: of those animals just got left behind or things happened
Speaker 3: during hurricanes.
Speaker 2: There was a place called the Chimp Farm down there,
Speaker 2: and so this plus there's a there is an established
Speaker 2: population of racist three different racist monkey populations in Florida
Speaker 2: that are established and documented, and so we know that
Speaker 2: there are non primates living there, and so that tells
Speaker 2: you non indigenous primates can live there. And if you
Speaker 2: look at it, this chimp farm that had this escape,
Speaker 2: that was the source of one of those populations.
Speaker 1: This is before we were all regulated.
Speaker 2: They not only had like a chimpanzees and reci's monkeys,
Speaker 2: they had lowling guerrillas and orangutans.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So that and if you look at the Mayaca ape
Speaker 2: photos from that's either one of those things or something
Speaker 2: of a nap or an orangutane, something really close. So
Speaker 2: I think there's ape like stuff that could be non Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: but as close enough that it.
Speaker 3: Kind of overlaps that Mayaca Skun Cape photo. I mean, geez,
Speaker 3: I remember seeing it for the first time, and still
Speaker 3: to this day you would think that if that was
Speaker 3: a hoax, somebody would have located the statue or mannequin
Speaker 3: or whatever. It would have been yep by now. But
Speaker 3: I mean, it just looks like a big orangutan.
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 2: And I've been able to have a little bit of
Speaker 2: interaction with the orangutans and uh, and it looks like
Speaker 2: kindle kind of like an orangutane. But maybe it was
Speaker 2: an orangutane that was a feralll rangutan.
Speaker 1: You know, who knows. Uh.
Speaker 2: You know in Texas, in a town called around a
Speaker 2: town called Dilly south of San Antonio, there is a
Speaker 2: free ranging population of Japanese.
Speaker 3: Mattaqus just running around loose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, and it's documented. It's all.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're there. I have multiple pictures of it.
Speaker 2: They're they're there. They've been there since the seventies. There
Speaker 2: was a if you see pictures of these monkeys they
Speaker 2: call snow monkeys around Mount Fuji and the those are
Speaker 2: those are Japanese cacks and apparently they were going to
Speaker 2: whack a bunch of them because they're causing problems for tourists,
Speaker 2: and somebody in Texas that I'll go get them and
Speaker 2: save them. And they made a facility. So there's a facility.
Speaker 2: But a lot of these are running loose, feral, and uh,
Speaker 2: there was a big flap about them in the nineties
Speaker 2: because Parks and LAWA said they're non indigenous, you can
Speaker 2: kill them. I think they change that law where you
Speaker 2: can kill non indigenous game, you can't kill a primate.
Speaker 2: And uh, I've got multiple people to send me photos
Speaker 2: of them sitting on fence post. A guy has one
Speaker 2: in his deer feeder and so what's interesting about this,
Speaker 2: and this is the one that really makes me think
Speaker 2: that there could be some feral primate things mixed in
Speaker 2: here amongst the bigfoot stuff is because gee, these things
Speaker 2: live at Mount Fuji.
Speaker 1: They're caught a snow lumpy. They are living in a.
Speaker 2: Part of Texas that's one hundred degrees for probably one
Speaker 2: hundred days a year, and they're thriving.
Speaker 1: So very interesting.
Speaker 3: It seems like if memory serves me, uh Luke Gross
Speaker 3: of Texas used to talk about a reports of a
Speaker 3: troop of baboons in the Sulfur River bottoms. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting because one of the reports that I
Speaker 2: got in particular was like a hole for in truth
Speaker 2: Publa you know what I mean, It was like multiple
Speaker 2: uh and uh, I mean it's a it's so, you know,
Speaker 2: there's these things in Lauren Coleman and Patrick Waye's book
Speaker 2: The Field Guide whatever they call it, the Bigfoot, Serious
Speaker 2: Primates or whatever. It is really cool book about a
Speaker 2: devil monkey.
Speaker 1: And it was kind of an orangutani ish.
Speaker 2: Looking thing, and uh, you know, so who knows, you know,
Speaker 2: I I have a little bit of a hard time
Speaker 2: just logically on some of it because we know that
Speaker 2: those Japanese mcacs are and we got great game cam photos,
Speaker 2: we got great cell phone photos. We've got Recis's monkey
Speaker 2: photos that are great. Why don't we have the baboons?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it does.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 2: But there is also with the baboon thing. So I
Speaker 2: have a book out called Bigfoot South. You did a
Speaker 2: Bigfootsouth dot com and on Bigfoot South, I have an
Speaker 2: account from Lance Rosier. Lance Rosier was the forefather of
Speaker 2: the Big Thicket National Preserve.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And he wrote in one of his journals that he
Speaker 2: saw the carcass of an quote baboon on a road
Speaker 2: in the Big Thicket, in the Big Thicket, in the
Speaker 2: Big Thicket. Now, he said, you know, people always blame
Speaker 2: this stuff on some circus, you know, and they always
Speaker 2: blame animals that aren't in circuses. When does the never
Speaker 2: seen a baboon in the circus?
Speaker 3: I've never seen that.
Speaker 1: No, no, And.
Speaker 2: They're always it's never tiger's getting loose, it's always a
Speaker 2: black panther.
Speaker 1: Uh. And apparently the least safe place.
Speaker 2: To travel is via circus string because it always crashed somewhere.
Speaker 2: But uh, sorry, my sarcasm going.
Speaker 3: No, No, it's absolutely true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're always crashing.
Speaker 2: But he did say wrote in his official stock that
Speaker 2: there he saw the road killed carcass of a baboon
Speaker 2: in the big thicket.
Speaker 3: Big cats in the UK, you know, the mystery big cats.
Speaker 3: They've now done some DNA testing. They figured out that
Speaker 3: the big cats are really there. And you know, one
Speaker 3: of the prominent theories is that these big cats are
Speaker 3: just exotic pets that were let loose over the years
Speaker 3: and maybe seen and maybe a breeding population occurred. I
Speaker 3: know in the seventies, especially exotic pets, you know, weren't
Speaker 3: a regulated thing like they are now, and it was
Speaker 3: extremely popular to have these animals, and there was all
Speaker 3: kinds of not just circuses, but little side shows and
Speaker 3: things like that, and if you couldn't take care of them,
Speaker 3: or if you couldn't afford the fees whenever regulations were
Speaker 3: put in place, it's not a far fetched thought to
Speaker 3: think that a lot of them just got let loose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the thing on the big cats. I think
Speaker 2: for certainly in England, you know, the UK, there definitely
Speaker 2: was that phrase. There was here in America to a
Speaker 2: certain extent as well.
Speaker 1: A lot of sheep over there that could survive.
Speaker 2: These are killing the sheep and trying to hunt a
Speaker 2: white tilled deer in the southeast or something here, catch
Speaker 2: a mule deer in the mountains, you know, because predation
Speaker 2: is taught. You know, it's not it's as taught by mom.
Speaker 2: It ain't genetic. They got genetic tendencies, but it's taught.
Speaker 2: I have a hard time, so I think probably there
Speaker 2: were sightings of ones that were survived a while on
Speaker 2: all that, But I my thing with this, by far,
Speaker 2: the most kept big cat on the world in terms
Speaker 2: is a tiger has been a tiger? Where are our
Speaker 2: cryptid tiger sightings? There are a few. How Come they're
Speaker 2: all black panthers, all right? How come they're all melanistic leopards?
Speaker 2: You know that That's something that I have a problem with.
Speaker 2: I now, I know I'm gonna heat for this doing
Speaker 2: my YouTube channel all the time. But almost every quote
Speaker 2: unquote black panther photo I've ever been sent to me
Speaker 2: is a some kind of domestic origin cat that's you
Speaker 2: can't tell scale. And there's some evidence in Australia that
Speaker 2: somebody's feral to domestic cats are getting like forty fifty.
Speaker 1: Pounds, and.
Speaker 2: I've gotten my own photo of one that had the
Speaker 2: I've actually coined the term about seven years ago, called
Speaker 2: the black long tail, and it's like this domestic I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's some kind of evolution happening in
Speaker 2: these feral cats, but it's black cats that are domestic
Speaker 2: origin of some kind obviously, but they have extra long tails,
Speaker 2: and I have multiple pictures of them one of my videos.
Speaker 1: So I think that's the number.
Speaker 2: One, because you know, you know, the domestic cats astribted globally,
Speaker 2: but there definitely have been escaped, you know, animal.
Speaker 1: Escape, cat sightings and stuff. For sure.
Speaker 2: I personally have a hard time with them long term
Speaker 2: breeding because you have to have a male and a female,
Speaker 2: right you have to have hats that are able to
Speaker 2: go survive and not get in trouble by going in somebody's.
Speaker 1: Backyard, you know.
Speaker 2: So like the black panther phenomena, I think it's about
Speaker 2: seven different things that make up the black panther phenomen
Speaker 2: I don't think it's one answer, and escape inzodict is
Speaker 2: one of them.
Speaker 3: I had a friend whose family owned some land up
Speaker 3: here in Oklahoma, and him and his brother and his father.
Speaker 3: All three saw what they described as a large black
Speaker 3: cat on the property. They saw it a couple of
Speaker 3: times while deer hunting and took a couple of shots
Speaker 3: at it. I you know, classic you know story. I pause,
Speaker 3: we're great shots. We know we hit it and it
Speaker 3: just took off running. They you know, could have missed.
Speaker 3: Who knows. But I mean the black cat phenomenon, there's
Speaker 3: something to it because everybody's seen it or knows somebody
Speaker 3: that's seen it.
Speaker 1: Well, I agree.
Speaker 2: That's why I think there's like seven or eight different
Speaker 2: answers to the question.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I'm with you. Every photo that I
Speaker 3: have seen that I can think of. I mean, it
Speaker 3: could have just been some sort of domestic cut, like
Speaker 3: you're saying, there's nothing for scale.
Speaker 2: No, And I mean I have a I mean I
Speaker 2: would say seventy five percent.
Speaker 1: I immediately go domestic cat.
Speaker 2: But there also seems to be an offshoot of that
Speaker 2: to where something's happening with somebod these domestic cats getting
Speaker 2: a little larger and extra long tails that they're like
Speaker 2: and I call them a black long tail.
Speaker 1: That's kind of my take form.
Speaker 2: But there's also, like, you know, parts of America the
Speaker 2: jaguar rundi, which is a native vat and I saw
Speaker 2: my own jaggarunni north of their accepted range, and I
Speaker 2: had photographed him in a zoo for a number of times,
Speaker 2: and I've seen him in the zoo, and I was like, sweet,
Speaker 2: that's really awesome.
Speaker 1: Well, I never thought one would walk across the road
Speaker 1: one day and broad daylight, and they are interesting a
Speaker 1: diurnal cat.
Speaker 2: And I went, oh, cool, a jaggarundi and I stopped
Speaker 2: and freaked out and slam on my brakes and it
Speaker 2: went across the road. And I verified this with the
Speaker 2: biologist who works in there. Oh yeah, they're jaggar runnis all.
Speaker 1: Over around here. But you know, we.
Speaker 2: Don't really the department didn't want to accept that or
Speaker 2: whatever he said. And what was interesting is I realized
Speaker 2: most people that would have seen that would never have
Speaker 2: known what a jaguar rundy was, so they would have said,
Speaker 2: it's a black panther, you know, And uh so I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't, by the way, I don't make fun of
Speaker 2: people or think it's wrong that people see these domestic
Speaker 2: type feelings and think they're whatever. But it's just because
Speaker 2: it's it's hard to tell, you know.
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, a scale and things like that.
Speaker 2: There are even bobcats that are black, and we're verified
Speaker 2: black bobcats, And interestingly, there are black there are bobcats.
Speaker 1: With long tails. Really, yes, and it happens every once
Speaker 1: in a while.
Speaker 2: I'd love to get a hold of genetics to one
Speaker 2: of those suckers and see if it might have crossed
Speaker 2: an ocelot or something down the line, you know.
Speaker 1: But uh, there's a lot of weird stuff.
Speaker 2: But I really think that the whole thing with the
Speaker 2: black panthers.
Speaker 1: Is a bunch of things. But I'll go ahead and
Speaker 1: say this.
Speaker 2: You know what, I think the least likely candidate is
Speaker 2: of all of them.
Speaker 1: Black mountain lion.
Speaker 2: Uh because and the reason I say that is mountain
Speaker 2: lions are hunted. There are several thousand killed every year
Speaker 2: in America and brought to game check stations and mounted
Speaker 2: by tax Germans. They're they're they're they're in zoos all
Speaker 2: around the globe. There are populations all the way to
Speaker 2: Argentina from Canada. And the history of science, there's never
Speaker 2: been one black specimen observed by.
Speaker 1: Science, not one, Wow, not a single one.
Speaker 2: There's a picture of one in Costa Rica, a black
Speaker 2: and white photo in the fifties, and it looks to
Speaker 2: me like a chocolate brown. They do get kind of
Speaker 2: dark brown, you know, like almost a chocolate brown. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and a low light that looks black. But there's never
Speaker 2: been one. There have been white ones born. There was
Speaker 2: a white one on a game cam from the official
Speaker 2: government agency in Brazil. There was a white clubs born
Speaker 2: in a zoo in Belgium a few years ago.
Speaker 1: But there's never been a black one.
Speaker 2: And if the if black cougars were the source of
Speaker 2: all of these black panther signings in America, or the
Speaker 2: majority of them, they because there are all kinds of
Speaker 2: cougar pictures on game cams, there are all kinds of
Speaker 2: cougar videos on game cams, and are all kind of
Speaker 2: cougar shop by hunters and taught by trappers, and not
Speaker 2: one of them never been black.
Speaker 3: Yeah, surely it would be documented by now, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm not saying it's not completely impossible, but
Speaker 2: it's never been observed by science. So I don't think
Speaker 2: that's the head in America. That's the number one thing
Speaker 2: which most people that I have talked to. You think
Speaker 2: that's what they're seeing. It's a black mountain line, and
Speaker 2: so that's just the one I think is the least likely.
Speaker 2: But it's a It's an interesting topic, man, And what
Speaker 2: I like about it, my friend, is that it makes
Speaker 2: people question things and look at nature. And I always
Speaker 2: tell people send me your photo, I'll tell you what
Speaker 2: I think it is. If you disagree, that's fine. I
Speaker 2: just want to, you know, educate people about this. And
Speaker 2: I think it's a great mystery.
Speaker 1: Hey, I would love to be proven wrong. Please send
Speaker 1: me a high quality video of a black mountain. I
Speaker 1: would love to see it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be nuts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be awesome.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna switch up gears here for a second. I
Speaker 3: was browsing your one of your websites and I saw
Speaker 3: an article that you had posted, and I haven't had
Speaker 3: a chance. It might have been a YouTube video feral humans.
Speaker 3: This is something that has bothered me for a while
Speaker 3: because sometimes bigfooters run across things that seem way more
Speaker 3: human than your typical bigfoot activity. Yeah, for sure, and
Speaker 3: that includes footprints that are human in shape, human in size,
Speaker 3: in places where they just absolutely should not be what's
Speaker 3: the deal. What are your thoughts on feral humans?
Speaker 2: So here's the thing on that I'm really now just
Speaker 2: kind of going that direction looking at some of this.
Speaker 2: But what got me into this was my good friend
Speaker 2: Lyle Blackburn. He and I were at Craig wile Heeater's
Speaker 2: Wonderful Monster last year and we're both going to be
Speaker 2: there this year, and he goes, you were friends of
Speaker 2: Rob Riggs, right, And I said, yeah. Rob was an
Speaker 2: author of a book called All Montreal the wild Man, which.
Speaker 1: Was a big foot book about the Big Thicket area.
Speaker 2: And I'd been in the field of Rob several times
Speaker 2: and knew him well. And Rob passed away unfortunately, about
Speaker 2: a decade ago. And Rob had written in his book
Speaker 2: that there have been sightings. What people described this is
Speaker 2: like the timeline I can remember. It was like sixties
Speaker 2: to the eighties, primitive looking Indians in the Big Thicket
Speaker 2: and in an area of the old and Lost Trinity
Speaker 2: River bottoms, the area down there, which is basically the
Speaker 2: same basic drainage there and back. It's still remote in
Speaker 2: a lot of those areas, and back then it was
Speaker 2: very remote areas, and the reports all had very similar
Speaker 2: things to them.
Speaker 1: And it made me start.
Speaker 2: Asking questions about this because I have a hard time
Speaker 2: thinking that some family drops a four year old off
Speaker 2: in the forest and he's raised by coyotes in East Texas.
Speaker 2: But if there were primitive pockets of people who grew
Speaker 2: up genetically used to living in those woods and those parasites,
Speaker 2: and their bodies and and and just inherently knew that,
Speaker 2: and there were small pockets of those people, that to
Speaker 2: me would seem like a little bit more likely for
Speaker 2: some of these feral human reports, you know. And what
Speaker 2: was interesting is I am not a native lore expert
Speaker 2: at all, but what was interesting about the Karankawa people,
Speaker 2: which were kind of the ones on the border of there,
Speaker 2: and the attack pins, is they both just freaking disappeared.
Speaker 2: They just people think they might have integrated into other
Speaker 2: tribes or died.
Speaker 1: Off of disease. We don't know.
Speaker 2: But when I did the Dark Outdoors podcast, and if
Speaker 2: you if you're interested in the topic, please don't listen
Speaker 2: to my Dark Outdoors podcast platform on the lost tribes
Speaker 2: and stuff, because.
Speaker 1: I'm looking for other reports.
Speaker 2: But I had a guy reach out to me whose
Speaker 2: father was a sheriff in one of those counties, in
Speaker 2: the seventies and he had his own report that was
Speaker 2: told him by hunters who ran into some of these
Speaker 2: guys at night, had an arrow shot at him.
Speaker 1: They pointed the guns at him.
Speaker 2: And they all scattered in the woods, and the sheriff
Speaker 2: thought it was bs went in there and found the
Speaker 2: era and took pictures, and as a teenager he saw
Speaker 2: the picture of the polaroid and the evidence they had
Speaker 2: when they went and investigated this. So to me, the
Speaker 2: idea of like maybe some people who were tribal or
Speaker 2: had been living out there that way primitive people stayed primitive,
Speaker 2: to me seems maybe a little more likely and just
Speaker 2: some farm boy throughout.
Speaker 1: The woods, you know.
Speaker 2: So that's really intriguing to me, you know, of what
Speaker 2: could have happened and survived and things like that.
Speaker 1: But there are other I heard. I heard a pretty
Speaker 1: crazy report from Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: Uh that was, you know, someone allegedly on a on
Speaker 2: a search and rescue saw what they described as a
Speaker 2: person running at pretty astounding speeds for a person, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, without looks like they didn't have normal clothes
Speaker 2: on in an area of Oklahoma, hiding in the rocks
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 1: You know. That was really weird.
Speaker 2: And and then there's other parts of this.
Speaker 1: You know, there are people who just went off grid.
Speaker 2: And maybe there there have been people maybe who have
Speaker 2: graised families off grid and and kept going back into
Speaker 2: a more primal state just because of the way they
Speaker 2: lived generationally.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the.
Speaker 2: Things I opened up about, like this, you know, this
Speaker 2: lost tribe stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But I also asked a question.
Speaker 2: Could there have been you think about the sixties and
Speaker 2: people wanted to get back to nature and there's a
Speaker 2: group there was a group called the Rainbow People.
Speaker 1: That lived in the woods and there was a.
Speaker 2: Bunch of hit drop an acid, but they were you know,
Speaker 2: they were wanting to live out of nature. Could there
Speaker 2: have been people who decided, you know, we're gonna go
Speaker 2: off grid and been kind of degenerating into something like this.
Speaker 2: It's just the ideas that have about it.
Speaker 3: I know that I have personally seen footprints that were definite,
Speaker 3: I mean human shape. Whenever it comes to bigfoot tracks,
Speaker 3: there are certain characteristics that a lot of us know
Speaker 3: about that we look for, and these had things that
Speaker 3: were human quality that were missing in bigfoot tracks. And
Speaker 3: then whenever you start you know, I've heard talking in
Speaker 3: the woods that I couldn't figure out, you know, who
Speaker 3: it was there. There's no evidence of people. And whenever
Speaker 3: you're talking about vocalizations like bigfoot have all these wide
Speaker 3: range of primate vocalizations, it doesn't make a lot of
Speaker 3: sense for something that can scream and howl from mountaintop
Speaker 3: to mountaintop to also be able to whisper and talk
Speaker 3: in a language.
Speaker 1: Now, this is interesting.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the the language component or the idea of
Speaker 2: hearing like, you know, just human talking in the woods.
Speaker 2: I know someone who was on a deer stand in
Speaker 2: East Texas and told me they absolutely heard the words
Speaker 2: feels good.
Speaker 1: Like any what method was? What feels good? What are
Speaker 1: you talking? But it was a human voice.
Speaker 2: And I've definitely heard people here hear stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and so, uh there, I think I think that's a
Speaker 2: topic that I know, I'm I'm going to explore a
Speaker 2: lot more because I think what you're you know, you're
Speaker 2: obviously a very good researcher. You're you're coming across as
Speaker 2: there's some things out there, and I've heard it in
Speaker 2: your other part. Questions for me about some of these
Speaker 2: ape like things that maybe maybe everything that's lumped into
Speaker 2: Bigfoot isn't bigfoot. You know that there's other stuff out there,
Speaker 2: and that salute you for that, because that's kind of
Speaker 2: where I'm going on a few things. And this tribal
Speaker 2: thing just got me, especially when I had the report
Speaker 2: outside of Rob's book. You know what got me that,
Speaker 2: the report that made me believe the reports in the
Speaker 2: book was I'm a writer. I have published about ten
Speaker 2: thousand men, paid for about ten thousand articles over the years,
Speaker 2: and every kind of publication you think of, and if
Speaker 2: I want to lead someone to a certain direction, I
Speaker 2: would know how to do that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I can kind of I can't take and always
Speaker 2: find every liar because some people are really good, but
Speaker 2: I can quite often go as a bs you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's not written, something's up there.
Speaker 2: But one of these reports was an early some early
Speaker 2: power lines in the area alignment up a line poll
Speaker 2: looking down and there were six of these guys down
Speaker 2: there looking at him. He described as primitive Indians with
Speaker 2: primitive weapons, and primitive that looked very meat agitated to him.
Speaker 1: If I were going to make up a story about seeing,
Speaker 1: you know, some primitive survival tribe. You know, it would
Speaker 1: have been a whole lot more dramatic and wouldn't have
Speaker 1: involved a power pole in alignment, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so, and what was interesting is two of
Speaker 2: these different reports have mentioned six people.
Speaker 1: They saw six of these primitive people allegedly.
Speaker 2: And when I did some research on one of the
Speaker 2: one of these tribes in the region, it said that
Speaker 2: the men would often travel in groups of six hunting parties.
Speaker 1: So that was interesting. Now there's needs are not widespread reports.
Speaker 1: You know, this is in a pocket, but could there
Speaker 1: be something.
Speaker 2: Similar that's or maybe like people that went back in
Speaker 2: Livoy and raised families off grid and.
Speaker 1: Just knew how to do. I think it's worth exploring.
Speaker 2: And I'll be honest wably on my dark outdoors to
Speaker 2: raise awareness a true crime and terrifying encounters. And that
Speaker 2: might be a bigfoot, that might be a wild boar,
Speaker 2: or it might be you know Ted Bundy.
Speaker 1: Back in the day.
Speaker 2: And I'll be honest with you, brother, if I walked
Speaker 2: out in the woods in twenty twenty five and saw
Speaker 2: a seven foot tall guy that looked like a crankola
Speaker 2: and he had, you know, a primitive arrow aimed at me.
Speaker 1: I'd be terrified. I would say, hold on, brother, I
Speaker 1: hope you're playing. I hope this is the best cosplay
Speaker 1: I've ever seen, you know, or maybe that's even scarier,
Speaker 1: But you know, I would think, what just not just
Speaker 1: go back in time, you know what I mean? It's
Speaker 1: so weird.
Speaker 2: And then the people talk about there was this I'm
Speaker 2: trying to track down the person. There's a Duck's a
Speaker 2: limited podcast and they tell a story, a second hand
Speaker 2: story as someone who was halkhunting the thermals in East
Speaker 2: Texas and saw this thing come up and I thought
Speaker 2: it was a hog at first and realized it was
Speaker 2: a human form, and it was like asking for help,
Speaker 2: crying for help. Weird sounds, blow the voices. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to track down a first person of that. Some of
Speaker 2: that stuff to me is far scarier than like a bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, it gets into like you know, like
Speaker 2: horror movie land here, But I think it's at the
Speaker 2: point it's worth looking at.
Speaker 1: I don't believe every.
Speaker 2: Thing is a you know, it's some kind of a
Speaker 2: feral person, but I think it is a topic that
Speaker 2: we need to look out more. And because what's going
Speaker 2: to happen, is is my prediction is to I travel
Speaker 2: the country a lot, and we are developing everything. If
Speaker 2: it's in a national park or something, it's getting developed,
Speaker 2: or there's a lot of these part with the bottom lands,
Speaker 2: they're making dams. So if there is feral people and things,
Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be a lot more encounters with
Speaker 2: them because of what we're doing to their to the
Speaker 2: habitat out there.
Speaker 3: Well, just like you were talking about earlier, that report,
Speaker 3: you know, down in like you know, the eighties, the
Speaker 3: amount of development that has happened since the eighties until
Speaker 3: now is crazy compared to all the time prior to that.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's not You're right, it's not even comparable to
Speaker 2: any time. You could take every development done before nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty nine and then compare it to eighty nine to
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, and it would be ten times. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: So, you know, but the idea.
Speaker 2: That there could be some things like that out there
Speaker 2: would be really strange, you know. And I think this
Speaker 2: brings up an interesting point about all of this is
Speaker 2: that I think the greatest asset that all this mysterious
Speaker 2: stuff has is that people are.
Speaker 1: Free to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I know people see stuff and I've been talking.
Speaker 2: I've had people come up to me and talk about
Speaker 2: Bigfoot and somebody be with them and I'm looking them
Speaker 2: in the eye and their friends tell them me it's
Speaker 2: not saying word. I'm like, they had something happen to you,
Speaker 2: They no doubt, but that I want to talk And
Speaker 2: that's fine, And I don't blame them actually a lot
Speaker 2: of times, but I think people see a lot more
Speaker 2: of this weird stuff and just write it off as whatever,
Speaker 2: you know, whatever it is, you know, And there's definitely
Speaker 2: some stuff out there. And what I've learned do in
Speaker 2: the Dark Outdoors podcast is that you know, like there's
Speaker 2: a lot of dangers out a lot of crime, a
Speaker 2: lot of occult activity in these places. But there's stuff
Speaker 2: that happens in the wilds of America that like the
Speaker 2: media just doesn't pick up.
Speaker 1: On at all. They do it doesn't connect.
Speaker 2: It to the wild, They connect it to like a
Speaker 2: county city. But when you start putting patterns together, you
Speaker 2: start seeing these really bizarre things happening in the places
Speaker 2: that we love to go and scary enough think there
Speaker 2: might be some kind of a you know, predator out there,
Speaker 2: a serial killer, or you know, just some weird criminal.
Speaker 2: But we start adding that and you go, oh, there
Speaker 2: might be some you know, feral cannibal woman in the woods.
Speaker 2: You know, it really takes the creep factor up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whenever you start talking about the idea of there
Speaker 3: might be people out there, because people are the most
Speaker 3: dangerous thing on the planet by far.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's when I started the Dark Out There's podcasts.
Speaker 1: I had all these things happened to.
Speaker 2: Me over the years in the while of people. And
Speaker 2: I was given a lecture on faral hogs and I
Speaker 2: did Q and a somebody said, he's us, you, what's
Speaker 2: the most dangerous thing in the woods? And I knew
Speaker 2: they thought I was gonna say a Farrell hog or
Speaker 2: a bear or a rattlesnakers.
Speaker 1: Oh people. Yeah, And the room got quiet, and then
Speaker 1: you're right. I'm like, dude, it ain't even a contest,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: So and you know, running into people that are just
Speaker 2: you know, got the most nefarious intentions out there, and
Speaker 2: from the drug trade, which is I had an incident
Speaker 2: with that in California back when I did my cage die.
Speaker 2: That same trip, we went out and my dad went
Speaker 2: up to Redwoods and got chased off a mountain, and
Speaker 2: I know, all.
Speaker 1: The night.
Speaker 2: It was like I was in an action movie, except
Speaker 2: I was in a rental, little cheesy rental car, and
Speaker 2: I didn't have some hot chick with me, you know,
Speaker 2: driving down the mountain, I feel like I was in
Speaker 2: some like missing mission impossible movie, you know.
Speaker 1: Uh. And it was like.
Speaker 2: People on the drug train without a question, and we
Speaker 2: had we had an encounter up there and we got
Speaker 2: checked it.
Speaker 1: It was crazy crazy. So it's of one of my episodes.
Speaker 1: And I called the Forest Service and told them and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, it's drug runners.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I said, you guys have a freakin elk
Speaker 2: crossing side.
Speaker 1: You could have warned this about trafficking in the area.
Speaker 1: And they were like yeah, man, And I remember it.
Speaker 2: Goes and like and I'm like, like, if I come back,
Speaker 2: I said, number one, I won't go back to that
Speaker 2: area ever again. But if I come up with flooring
Speaker 2: these woods up here in northern California, can I carry
Speaker 2: a gun.
Speaker 1: In National forest land?
Speaker 2: And a California Forest Service official told me you should. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So my slogan on dark outdoors just pray, prepare, and
Speaker 2: pack heat.
Speaker 3: There's a certain area in Oklahoma that already has a
Speaker 3: stigma related to it, but uh, I know some people
Speaker 3: that went there to check it out common Bigfoot area
Speaker 3: for investigators to go to, and they got met by
Speaker 3: either a ranger or a game order on the way out,
Speaker 3: I think a ranger, and he asked them, do you
Speaker 3: guys got any firearms on you? And they're like, no,
Speaker 3: we don't carry guns with us, and he was like,
Speaker 3: well you should if you're coming here.
Speaker 1: Wow, there you go, there you go. I have had
Speaker 1: multiple crazy run ins, you know.
Speaker 2: And the area that I have found most dangerous is
Speaker 2: not the deep woods. It's those areas that are located
Speaker 2: within twenty thirty miles in a major metro area that
Speaker 2: are easily accessible for criminals, like the San Houston National
Speaker 2: Forest right in the Houston metro area, and there's so
Speaker 2: much crazy stuff and there were decapitation lines set on
Speaker 2: the biking trails.
Speaker 3: Jeez.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's pictures of that out there.
Speaker 2: I mean when I first went down this alley of
Speaker 2: doing dark outdoors, I was at a National Wild Turkey
Speaker 2: Federation event. At this awards ceremony, and I mean a
Speaker 2: game board and we got separate awards, me and media
Speaker 2: and him like a you know, a law enforcement thing.
Speaker 1: And I said, hey, I.
Speaker 2: Love to talk to you sometime for a program I'm
Speaker 2: thinking about developing about dangers in the wild.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you have some stories to award.
Speaker 2: He looks at me and goes, oh, you mean like
Speaker 2: all those missing people around the San Houston National Force.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, you know, so you know there's that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, and so that is pretty intense, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, like Sanuison National Force.
Speaker 1: There was a dude him and his brother is the
Speaker 1: only name.
Speaker 2: Jerry Dean has Missing Persons of America on Facebook. I
Speaker 2: hate to say this. At last I had heard from her.
Speaker 2: She had cancer. I'm not sure she's still a post
Speaker 2: or whatever's going on. I hope she's doing well. But
Speaker 2: she does Missing Persons of America to help raise awareness
Speaker 2: to missing people after the law enforcement kind of give
Speaker 2: up on it, and somebody helping her goes do doing
Speaker 2: a map and goes, if you notice all the missing
Speaker 2: people and Mactgommery in Santaceno County, Texas or Liberty County
Speaker 2: or whatever, those two two counties. There were like forty
Speaker 2: missing people in this one pretty lowly populated area, and then.
Speaker 1: It's up to about sixty.
Speaker 2: Now they're not all in the National Forest, but some
Speaker 2: of them are, and it's all around that San Hoastern
Speaker 2: National Forest.
Speaker 1: And she mentioned to me these two brothers in the
Speaker 1: late seventies.
Speaker 2: One of them was like twenty one twenty two, other
Speaker 2: one was sixteen seventeen, and that in one summer they
Speaker 2: caught and raped and killed like a couple of ladies.
Speaker 2: Well being that our wonderful criminal justice system was like
Speaker 2: the guy who was a miner at that time got
Speaker 2: out when he was twenty one.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's wonderful. Let those guys out and uh.
Speaker 1: And so a.
Speaker 2: Couple of years back, they found a body in a
Speaker 2: barrel in San Jacina County.
Speaker 1: I got his property and it was his property.
Speaker 2: And if you look on the map at the address
Speaker 2: across the streets the San Hoaston National Forest, that's so creepy, man.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: So that kind of stuff goes on and it caught,
Speaker 2: it flies under the radar, you know. So it's pretty
Speaker 2: pretty wild stuff out there. And so we talk about
Speaker 2: on dark outdoors and you know, and trying to make
Speaker 2: people shine a light on those issues. And we do
Speaker 2: a segment every episode about preparation. Uh I do a
Speaker 2: thing about how to defend yourself. Might be from an animal,
Speaker 2: it might be a strategic later approach. The woods might
Speaker 2: be an app people can use. Also do a missing
Speaker 2: person that's missing in the wild, trying to raise awareness
Speaker 2: to maybe help find some missing people. And so it's
Speaker 2: been a journey, but it ties in all this weird stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, and as you know, you've been out there
Speaker 2: a lot. Man, the more you appeel back the layer,
Speaker 2: the weirder it gets.
Speaker 3: I know. You do a lot of speaking events. Do
Speaker 3: you got some future projects lined up or events that
Speaker 3: you're going to be at.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: I will be at the Falc Monster Festival twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five there in Falk, Arkansas, and I'll be speaking.
Speaker 1: At the dinner the night before.
Speaker 2: They have a for everything, and I'm speaking on some
Speaker 2: new stuff on the Phantom Killer of text Sarcannon from
Speaker 2: the Town the Dread and Sundown because textar Canon is
Speaker 2: twenty miles away from there, so it's really cool topic
Speaker 2: on that and some dark outdoors topics I'm also speaking
Speaker 2: at an event in Kentucky, and I don't think the
Speaker 2: announced that yet, so I don't want to give any
Speaker 2: info on that till it's announced. I'm also speaking at
Speaker 2: Randy Hutchings Tennessee Wildman and Cryptic con in Mcmannville, Tennessee
Speaker 2: in August, and I'll be speaking at telude beIN Bigfoot
Speaker 2: Conference this December, and a couple of other things they
Speaker 2: haven't announced yet.
Speaker 3: Cool and you can find Dark Outdoors on every podcast
Speaker 3: app I assume YouTube everywhere.
Speaker 2: Well not on YouTube, but all the podcasting apps. There
Speaker 2: is on the chester More YouTube channel, there is a
Speaker 2: there is a little playlist for some Dark Outdoors videos
Speaker 2: with Dark Outdoors is on Spotify. You know all iHeartRadio,
Speaker 2: Apple Pop. I guess all of them and check it out.
Speaker 2: I got about thirty episodes up or go weekly on
Speaker 2: February twenty fifth. Also have a Global Bigfoot YouTube channel.
Speaker 2: I've started with some pretty interesting bigfoot stuff on there.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm just a glutton for punishment. I
Speaker 2: like giving myself too much work.
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm the same way. There's nothing wrong with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: one final question. Then we'll call our quits after it's
Speaker 3: all said and done with the man of many bandannas.
Speaker 3: What do you want your legacy to be? What do
Speaker 3: you want to be known for?
Speaker 1: M man?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm never I've actually never probably really thought of
Speaker 2: that altogether. That I love children, and I love the Lord,
Speaker 2: and I happen to like wildlife a little bit too.
Speaker 3: Chester More, Thank you so much for joining me, brother,
Speaker 3: It's been fun. We're gonna have to stay in touch
Speaker 3: and definitely check out the Dark Outdoors podcast.
Speaker 1: Hey, thank you man.
Speaker 2: By the way, thank you for having me on this
Speaker 2: incredible podcast. You heard been one of the best interviewers
Speaker 2: I've ever had.
Speaker 3: Oh man, stop.
Speaker 2: No, no, You ask good questions, So thank you for
Speaker 2: that because you made me think a lot which is
Speaker 2: which is good?
Speaker 1: Also, get some in trouble sometimes.
Speaker 3: And if you've had your own encounter with Bigfoot, a
Speaker 3: feral human, or something else you can't explain, send me
Speaker 3: an email at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check
Speaker 3: out the website Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. You can find
Speaker 3: links to social media, past episodes, merchandise, everything you need
Speaker 3: all in one place. And until next time, remember there's
Speaker 3: something in the woods.