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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by fan Tracks.

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Speaker 2: Here sits.

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Speaker 1: Your source of information and analysis to help you win

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your fantasy hockey league.

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Speaker 3: Block off, hats, a step hit on, stay lock. Here's

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your hosts, Jesse Sovier and Victor Nun.

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Speaker 2: You hope you're gonna see Hockey Live back once again

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to talk fanta see hockey. This is Jesse Severe fan Tracks.

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That over there is Victor Nuno of E P Rings side. Victor,

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how you doing today, buddy.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing all right. I'm doing all right. I had

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some time off recently and so it's been really nice

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to be able to do that. It's also a great

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time to connect and take some time with the family,

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but also to slow things down a little bit. So

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it's been nice and enjoying the hockey. How about you?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, man, I believe when this airs, because we're going

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a little bit ahead here. I may be off in Arizona.

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Actually maybe I'll be back by then, Lord knows, Victor.

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Speaker 3: Time is.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to see time as a flat circle

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because everybody says that, but that kind of is what

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it is. Victor. That's all right, because wherever we are

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we can watch hockey. I missed my chance. A couple

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of years ago. I was down in Arizona in Mesa

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and there was a game at the Mullet Mullet Arena

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just next door in Tempe, and I thought about going,

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but it just it contradicted with an event that I

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was going to be going to. So I did not

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get the opportunity to see the Arizona Coyotes play at

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Mullet Arena, and now that opportunity will never return. It's

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very sad. It's the sort of thing that makes me

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want to hop on to the Fantasy Hockey Life discord

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and just bare my soul, rend my garments and talk

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about that incredible missed opportunity. I'm sure others feel the

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same way, and we'll also post thoughts along those lines.

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They can just get a link to pop in their

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Fantasy HOCKEYLFE at gmail dot com, at Victor Nuno twelve

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on X at Fanhockey Life on X Victory. There's other

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things that people would like. Why don't you tell people

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how they can find them?

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Speaker 3: If you like some of the stats that we reference,

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some of the perperal coverage, especially that we talk about

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for prospects, which can be really hard to find. You

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can get access to all that on the website. Patreon

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dot com slash Fantacy Hockey Life gets you access as

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an ultralifer, and then Fantasy Hockeylife dot com is the website,

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but some of those parts are restricted unless you have

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that access, so that's one thing. Certainly. Patreon casts one

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on one help all kinds of cool bonus content that

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you can check out at Patreon dot com slash Fantasy

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Speaker 2: The show will be back in get one minute dots

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Fancy Hockey.

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Speaker 3: I'm very pleased to welcome one of the smartest voices

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in our discord. You've heard our tidy Admiral Ryan and

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discuss Kraft's takes on his trades. You've heard us reference

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thoughts and discussion from him, and now you get to

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hear straight from the horse's mouth and a new feature

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we're calling Krafts's Corner. Mark, mister kraftser How you doing,

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my friend?

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm doing great. I'm looking forward to this. I

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really appreciate the invitation, Victor, and yeah, I think looking

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forward to some nuanced discussion about fantasy hockey in general

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and some players as well, and even more excited after

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you and Jesse had that recent strategy episode. It seemed

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like that went ever really well on discord, and I

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think we'll have a lot of overlap with some of

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those concepts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope so too. And I think that when

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I propose this segment to you, I think I said

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something to the effect of a nuanced discussion, which I

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think kind of was the hook that sold you on it.

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And I do think that's a nice thing to have.

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Sometimes we kind of go back and forth throwing out

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some numbers, and sometimes it's just nice to have a

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deep conversation where you're really trying to take all this

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into account and trying to have some of these nuanced discussions,

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I think is really the key because it isn't always

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one single indicator. It's usually a bunch of different things.

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So on that note, I wanted to hear a little

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bit more about your strategy when you evaluate players, how

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do you go about that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you ask my friends whether it's a good

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decision to invite me to have a nuanced discussion, they

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may believe that you're in for a treat with a

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lot of words, as Ryan has alluded to before. But

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now I'm really excited to jump in, And yeah, I think,

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I guess I think it's important to give everyone an

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idea of where how I'm coming at things, just because

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I'm not necessarily the most savvy eye test scout or

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relying upon any one metric. But you have been at

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this for quite a while, and when you gave me

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the invitation, I thought, geez, now I got to like

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actually figure out what is the system that I use.

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we're all using systems and have little habits and little patterns.

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informing our decisions. And yeah, for me, I think if

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there's one thing I feel like I do well with

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fantasy hockey specifically, it's just assimilating all the sources of

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information they're out there and just over the years developing

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an intuition about how to weigh various things. And so

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for me, I guess I would break it into a

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few different categories of information that it has some utility

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for fantasy hockey. So you've got scouting reports and that

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from all the pros that we probably all know and

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have talked about the athletic guys Scott Wheeler, Corey Brahman

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of course ep rnk Side and everything that ep rnkside

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puts out. And then you guys have turned me on

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to some of these independent scouts like Will Scouch and

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Mason Black and just the sort of week to week

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and season long coverage here on the podcast. It would

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be one bucket of information. And then you've got stats

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and advanced stats, and we can all look at those

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and now we can rely upon models like Jfresh or

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Byron Vader to Hockey Prospecting to have those stats organized

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a little bit more usefully for us. Of course, the

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eye test, I figure if any of us were exceptional scouts,

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we'd be doing more than playing fantasy hockey with it.

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That for me is like I'll come in at the

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end and use that eye test based upon what I've

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already learned about these players. But I think the other

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two categories that I lean on quite heavily would be

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community valuation and then this sort of miscellaneous magic dust

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that we'll talk a little bit about here on the

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podcast today. But community valuation I think is important. There's

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the concept of the wisdom of crowds, and if you

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get a consensus among a large group, you're going to

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tend to be a little bit more accurate. So yeah,

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for me, those are the things that I keep in mind,

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and when it comes to a player specifically.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. I think, like you said, it's

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really interesting to take a step back and just ask yourself,

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how do I do this? What do I do? What

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do I lean on? And I think probably all of

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us maybe lean more heavily on certain resources or certain guides,

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or maybe someone said one time one thing that we

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really liked and so we think their opinion is more

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valid or whatnot. Those kinds of things all that we

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all have our biases and those things can happen. But yeah,

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really trying to take into account a lot of different factors.

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I think this to me is part of what makes

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it really fun because there is no If it was

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one simple number that just made all this make sense,

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this wouldn't be fun at all. It would be very simple,

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and it wouldn't be any randomness or variation. It would

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just be like, Okay, just get the guy with the

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highest total number whatever and that's it. And so that

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would be very boring. But this is why we play

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because it's a little bit random and chaotic and sometimes

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fun and sometimes agonizing and miserable, but it definitely keeps

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it interesting for sure. There's no question about that. Yeah,

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that's really interesting to think about, and I encourage everyone

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to think about their own processes and biases. But tell

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us a little bit about how you build your team

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and how kind of player management takes into account here.

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Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, I guess I definitely sign on to the

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players's assets concept that you and Jesse covered in that

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last episode. And I actually think what's going to be

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really fun about our conversation today is even if the

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few players that we've chosen to dive into aren't of

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interest to folks, I think this is a really deep

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dive into how to put into practice this players's asset.

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So for me, I guess, like teams, I'm always looking

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at players through a different lens depending upon the team

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or the league that I'm thinking about, and so it's

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teamed down evaluation of players. I think you want as

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much as possible to be all in or all out

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avoid that mushy middle. I think you've referenced that mushy

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middle and episodes before, and never a pleasant place to

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be and actually I think when you have a direction

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for your team, it actually makes a lot of decisions

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easier for you. If you know you're targeting twenty twenty

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five twenty twenty seven. There are players that suddenly you

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might like, but if you really commit to the plan,

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they come become immediately expendable, and so then it's a

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matter of trying to figure out when's the best time

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to ship them out. And so for players, I think

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I think about it in two broad tiers, like your

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cornerstone guys that you're gonna get and you're going to hold,

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and there's not a lot of those, so if you

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get them, it's rare where you're going to be looking

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to trade them away. And then everyone else obviously that's

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a huge bucket. But those everyone else guys are going

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to have variability from year to year. But your sort

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of dream goal is always to turn those everyone else

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players into cornerstone players if there's a way to make

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that happen. And so those that second tier of guys,

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that's where for me, like the fun and the opportunity

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is when it comes to trades, player valuation and just

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monitoring the community to look for the opportunity to take

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this asset, this player as an asset, and turn that

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piece into something that can help you for your broader

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team goals.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so many interesting things there. Obviously, the players

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that we're a little unsure about are really interesting that

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everyone else, as you said, because you can have different

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opinions on that. But there's also you can broadly say

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the ones everyone knows is good, the ones everyone knows

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are bad, and then the guys in between. The guys

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in between are interesting. But also there's a lot of

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people wrong about who everyone thinks is good, and there's

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people who are wrong about everyone thinks are bad. So

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sometimes those can be interesting ones too. But we're gonna

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try and look at those ones that are in the

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middle where we're a little bit unsure of what's going on.

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And the other thing you said there that I really

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love too, is it every situation is so different. People

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always come and they ask what I do with this guy,

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and it's I don't know. Man depends on your team

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and like the settings and everything about your league. Because

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it's easy to say we'll just trade him. Maybe you can't.

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Maybe the market in that league is not good, or

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sometimes people say like, I literally can't. And sometimes they

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come with really good players and say I cannot trade

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this guy, and I'm like, why can't you? It seems

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like you should be able to. But hey, if that's

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the situation, then you to deal with what's in front

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of you, and so maybe you just can't. And so yeah,

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you definitely have to think about it in terms of

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your team context. Some people find this frustrating about fantasy hockey.

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I think it's one of the most fun parts because

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every league is so unique with the managers you have

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in the league, from the different settings to obviously the

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way that everything is set up. It's just it's really fun.

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Everyone everything is like its own unique little story, and

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I think that makes it really fun. But I think Mark,

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there's a little bit more to this story that I

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think we need to talk about here, and that is

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the fact that you are a lawyer by trade, as

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far as I understand, and I'm sure that color is

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your perspective. I think all of us, no matter what

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our vocation is, have something that allows us to view

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what we do through as a certain lens. And maybe

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it's a certain predilection to numbers or to trusting your

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instincts or to any number of things, and so I

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think that's fun to always think about what it is

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for you and every individual. It also allows me to

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refer and one of my favorite old movies. I don't

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know how many people out there know the movie Clueless,

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but it's one of my absolute favorite and there's a

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part in there where Alisha Silverstone talks about her father

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as a litigator. Daddy's a litigator. Those are the scariest

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kinds of lawyers. I understand that might be the case

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for you. So CRASSLERD, do you just intimidate your trading

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partners by litigating them and litigating your case? Is that

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how you go about it?

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Speaker 1: I can't say that it plays no part in how

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I approach discussions with other managers. But I think the

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biggest thing that being a litigator that I've realized applies

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broadly to every facet of life, even outside my professional life,

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is that we're all storytelling all the time. In the

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same way that a case at trial is basically telling

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the story to a bunch of strangers sitting in the

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room on borrowed attention, we are telling ourselves stories. We're

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telling other managers' stories in fantasy hockey all the time,

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and I think that's an air area where get into

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some of that today. But it's I think a place

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that folks don't examine enough. And if you think back

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the decisions you've made with trades, acquisitions, direction of your team,

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I think you'll see that there's like some underlying implicit

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story that you're telling yourself. And so I think we're

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going to look at that at the individual player level

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and just think about what's the specific story of a player.

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And it's a pretty malleable thing, I think, as we'll cover,

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but how might a player's story lead to overvaluation or

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undervaluation by r other gms in a league? How is

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a player's story affect does it fit into some type

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of classic archetype. Everyone loves a comeback or an underdog story,

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and these are places where this sort of like miscellaneous

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magic dust that I've mentioned fits in. And don't ignore

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a human interest story on a player because it actually

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gives you something to work with to tell a story

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to yourself or to others that might have some value

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in it might feel a little bit like vibes. But

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I think if when we start to talk about some

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individual players. We'll see the power of this storytelling concept. No.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think that there are times where you

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might want to do something or think about doing something,

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adding a player, trading a player, whatever the case may be,

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dropping someone, but it may not fit the narrative of

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your team. And that is basically what you're saying, does

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it fit the story you're telling yourself or you're believing,

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or the trajectory of the team you're trying to write

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the story towards the championship or maybe towards the rebuild,

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or whatever the case may be. And so all of

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that has to fit a little bit. And I love that.

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I love that. That's really interesting. Also, I just thought

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of that. Did we explain where your name comes from?

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Where does craft? Do you want to tell that story?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So I was this was its Milan Craft, former

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Pittsburgh Penguins prospect who never really panned out. He was

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a check pick, a first round pick. I'm a Pittsburgh

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and lifelong Pens fan. And this was like early days

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of internet handles, and I think it was actually there

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was a site. I don't know if many people remember.

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Actually Dauber. I think the first Dauber sighting was on

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this site. It was called Hockeytrade Rumors dot com, and

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I needed an Internet handle for Hockeytrade Roomors dot com.

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It was basically like a single home page message board

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type thing, and it stuck, and multiple people complimented over

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the years. I was like, yeah, that's a pretty cool name,

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and so it's I've run with it for I guess

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it's been geez twenty five years now.

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Speaker 3: I love it, my longcraft. I just looked him up

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twenty third overall pick in nineteen ninety eight, sixty four

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two hundred and twenty pounds center, and back in nineteen

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ninety eight he was killing it in the U twenty

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League in check Ya, and then he came over to

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the WHL and he definitely played some NHL games, but yeah,

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it didn't quite translate, and then he went back to

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check yet had a pretty long career.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he actually he had some cement in his skates,

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it turns out, and whenever, after the lockout and the

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league got a little bit faster. I don't even know

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that he got qualified after a pretty I think he

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had like a twenty goal season before the lockout, and

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then just the game got faster and that was it

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for him.

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Speaker 3: So nice. All right. I love all that background and

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all that information. It's good stuff. Let's talk about some

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specific examples, and I will give you the floor, a counselor,

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to make your case on Conor McMichael. I think a

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lot of people are interested in him. I've actually had

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a few people interested talk about him ask about him

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recently and I said, well, wait, we're going to talk

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about him on the show, so let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It was a good pick. I think I was.

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I said, he scored again last night, so I was like,

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all right, he's gonna stay relevant and everyone was going

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to be anxious to hear what we have to say

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about him. He's the guy I was completely out for

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the last few years. He for me, And this is again,

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this is like already getting into this storytelling. I've got this.

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Call it a bias. Maybe sometimes it's helpful. He's taken

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to me in this sort of like dead zone of

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the late first round. I think he was like a

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twenty fifth overall, twenty nineteen and those mid twenties guys.

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For me, that's like a red flag. It's almost like

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the sweet spot for these low ceiling middle six short

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of being in the league, but not high upside type guys,

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and so I have that in my mind when I'm

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looking at him this first couple of years, and he

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really had like a non existent D minus one year,

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so a draft year skating concern I think was the

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big knock on him and all of that. He did

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have a big D plus one season, but in my mind,

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I was like, all right, that's the high watermark for

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this guy. He's not a great skater. He's a mid

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twenties first round pick. I was if I had any

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shares of him like that. I was seeing that as

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the opportune time to maybe get a mid first round

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pick type of prospect for him. I guess looking at

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him after that, he had the dreaded first professional seasons,

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second pressure, the season decline in his equivalency, so you

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get that Bader model that looks like the greater Lan sign,

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and Bader has commented I think a few times on Twitter,

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that's just not a good sign that really creators a

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guy's chances. I was out and and I this summer

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in the tidy Lord Stanley dispersal. I actually drafted him

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relatively early for where I took him, I think, and

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even prompted a message from a friend in the division saying,

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what the heck you been out on this guy? What's

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up with that pick? And so there were a couple

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of things on my mind. One was just what Spencer

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Carberry did last year with Washington pretty amazing for the

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group of players that he had, and McMichael did seem

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to like force his way into a relevant place on

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that team as the season went on. And then really

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the other big piece for me was hearing Corey I

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think it's Schneider, Corey Schneider on Apples and Genos this

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summer and he mentioned that McMichael stood out as having

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excellent zone entry numbers, and I know that's something that

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Corey's identified as like a possible indicator for a potential breakout.

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I think yes, for Bratt is a name where he

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was early on Brat just because of those zone entry numbers.

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And of course we're all looking for tidbits where it's

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is there a can you find get in on a

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guy early? Like what's an indicator that would be super valuable?

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I think Corey does good work. So I was like,

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all right, that really caught my eye. And then took

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a closer look at this guy, and I was like

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really impressed with the film. Looking at his goals last year,

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you can really see quickly that he's a dangerous player

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off the rush, and that fits right with sort of

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Corey's tracking data. And that's in spite of this skating

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concern that seemed to be plaguing him as a prospect.

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I'm looking at these highlights and consistently these goal highlights

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for McMichael, the puck is in the Washington zone at

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the start of the highlight. It just amazed me how

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much and over again that was the case. Looking at

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some of his goals from last season, his goals from

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this season, and then looking a bit at the advanced

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stats his individual high danger chances, which I know favors

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slot opportunities, which is where he seems to drive on

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these zone entries. He really ranked quite well, right around

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some other guys that I think going into the season

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we all would have had well ahead of Michael, Owen, Tippett,

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Seth Jarvis or right around those guys ahead of like

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Tima Meyer, Alex Inner Barkov, Mason McTavish, Still and cousins

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like in that territory where I think he would have

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comfortably been at the bottom of the list of all

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of those names. So the highlight reel was also showing

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some real puck skills, which I think, again has been

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a consistent part of his game that he's always been

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considered to have. So I was pretty surprised given how

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much I had written him off. And he's obviously started

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this season unsustainably hot but pretty impressive. The numbers all

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look pretty good, I think, and he won't keep up

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the shooting percentage, but he's really pushing the ice time

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now he's on the power play one that wasn't the

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case beginning of the year. So I don't know. I

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think I'm a convert and I'm now a believer. Victor.

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Where are you? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And that dispersal draft was super fun. You and I

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were in that with a couple other people, and it

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was really interesting just to see who took, who win,

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And yeah, I don't necessarily remember you taking that. I

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was probably thinking the same thing that you had been

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in the past with McMichael, in a sense of yeah,

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not super sure how much this is going to continue.

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I remember really liking McMichael in his draft season. One

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of the biggest things that always stood out to me

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about him was just how smart he was. Like watching him,

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he always seemed to identify not just a good play,

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but the best play and really made not just safe decisions,

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but really good play opening play, driving maneuvers and passes.

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It's always a little tricky, I think when you're thinking

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about when you're looking at someone who plays in London,

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because that can be a really tricky development path because

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we know they tend to push guys down the lineup.

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They tend to really favor their nineteen and twenty year olds.

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I really wonder how that's going to change with the

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new nhln Cuba rules. As we're recording this, we just

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got the news that they're allowing CHL players next year,

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So that's going to really shift some things potentially, well

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though maybe London will still do London things, but that

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was certainly the case to some extent. I think for McMichael,

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you mentioned his muted Draft minus one production, and he

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was with London only half the year, and then in

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his draft season it was a little modest seventy two

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points and sixty seven games, and then he really exploded

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in that deplus one season, which you could write off

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in various ways. But also we tend to see that

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in a lot of London players, just because they get

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more opportunity, and that doesn't necessarily mean that they're going

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to be great. You just do tend to see a

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big sort of pop off in that draft plus one season,

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whether or not they end up being big NHL contributors

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or not. But I thought the smarts showed a clear

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path to being an NHL er. But I definitely thought

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of him as a high floor guy. I wasn't so

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sure that he'd be a top of the lineup guy.

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Certainly didn't seem like a for sure top line or

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even a top sixer. And then, as you said, the

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last couple of years, it was looking real dicey for him,

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especially as Washington started to koreem towards the cliff that

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we all saw coming. Oh God, who's even going to

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be here? And then we started thinking. I started thinking

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about McMichael, as he's going to be around when nobody's

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there and all the top producers have left, So how

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is that going to work? He started to get a

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little bit of an opportunity in twenty twenty one to

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twenty two and nothing, not too much came of it.

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He actually seemed to really struggle that year, and then

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he spent the entire twenty two to twenty three season

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down in Hershey. Was probably really, quite frankly, the best

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thing for him because he was down there and got

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to really dominate and got to really get his confidence back.

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And he did pretty well there thirty nine points of

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fifty seven games, didn't play a single NHL game that season,

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which I said is probably good. And then in twenty

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three twenty four you saw a little bit of improvement,

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but I still was like, not sure what was going

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to happen here, and he was getting a little closer

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to that two hundred game played threshold, which he's still

478
00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:28,000
not at. He's still at one sixty seven, so you know,

479
00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:31,359
maybe we're seeing that breakout as it's approaching. But I

480
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,400
definitely remember thinking, Okay, if you can hold him, there's

481
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,279
still maybe potential here. Because Washington was so bad for

482
00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:39,440
a lot of that time too. They just really struggled

483
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,440
to drive play. Even last year when they made the playoffs,

484
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,119
it was a mess in terms of some of their

485
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,920
underlying metrics and expected goals. But looking at him this year,

486
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,160
it's like a completely different story. I was looking at

487
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:57,160
these replacement charts on Hockey Viz and he basically there

488
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,640
is with or without you, and without McMichael, pretty much

489
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,279
everyone gets shoved to the left, to the bad region.

490
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,799
Even some of the top players like Dylan Strom is

491
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,599
quite a bit worse without McMichael. You look at ivn

492
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,119
Ovechkin and Manjiapani and Nick Daoud, and some of these

493
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,880
guys are quite a bit worse pro de let's say, protests,

494
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,759
and then with him, he's pretty much dragging everyone into

495
00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:26,039
the positive range, both in expected goals against and expected

496
00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:30,759
goals for, so in both ways he's really helping everyone out.

497
00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:33,319
And I also put in the notes the Korey Schneider

498
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,880
graph that you were alluding to, or that he was

499
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,039
alluding to on the podcast, and looking at some of

500
00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:43,039
these zone entries with zone entry percent with control, a

501
00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:47,319
lot of these transition numbers are really excellent, including not

502
00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:51,680
just offensively but defensively. Some of the overall offensive generation

503
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,880
wasn't quite there and some of the passing wasn't there,

504
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,599
but the transition data, zone exits and retrievals looked really good,

505
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,880
which as he said, sometimes can be the precursor to

506
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,359
the breakout coming because you're actually able to get in

507
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,480
the zone and get out of the zone with the puck,

508
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,799
which helps when you're trying to create offense. I think

509
00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:11,440
the other thing that really is interesting to me I

510
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:17,240
looked at some hockey viz graphs and with McMichael at

511
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:22,480
even strength, the caps are plus forty percent, which is

512
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,839
a massive number. I can't remember the last time I

513
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,279
saw that big of an increase with the player. That

514
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,920
is so ridiculous. How much he's improving things when he's

515
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,599
on the ice and on the power play. We should

516
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,640
mention right now as a recording is he has thirteen

517
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,559
points in twelve games, zero on the power play. Zero

518
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,640
power play points. I think that's pretty ridiculous. So right

519
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,480
now his offensive numbers, he's plus eleven on the power

520
00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:49,440
play in terms of his expected goals four per sixty,

521
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:51,480
so he's definitely helping on the power play. It's not

522
00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:53,880
as dramatic, but also he hasn't scored a single point,

523
00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:57,400
so even though he's helping, none of those are reflected.

524
00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:00,640
So you could certainly make the argument that he deserves

525
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,759
at least a few power play points by now, and

526
00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:05,359
he doesn't have any and maybe even doesn't quite deserve

527
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,960
as many even strength points, which I think you could

528
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,559
argue maybe he doesn't because his shooting percentage is a

529
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:13,759
little bit high, but the rest of his numbers are

530
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:17,920
pretty in line. His ipp is nothing too crazy, and

531
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,000
I think overall his pdo suggests he's actually getting a

532
00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:23,400
bit unlucky, which is crazy to think that could be

533
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,960
the case, because he's sitting at an eighty nine point pace.

534
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:29,240
I don't think he's a ninety point player, but I

535
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,759
also don't I'm fairly confident he is not a thirty

536
00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:33,880
four point player, which is what he was last year,

537
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,960
so I think it's somewhere in between. You pair all

538
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:40,359
that with his play driving numbers, and it's ridiculous. In

539
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,559
case you're wondering, he's been playing primarily with Tom Wilson

540
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,279
and Pierre Luke Dubois, who are plus twenty five and

541
00:27:46,319 --> 00:27:49,480
plus thirty six. Wilson's thirty six and Duba's twenty five.

542
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,240
McMichael is clearly the highest of the three, and he

543
00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:55,799
seems to be driving it more than anyone. I do

544
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,599
think that Dubois has looked a lot better and I

545
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,039
don't think it's just he's playing with but clearly that

546
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,960
line is clicking. And I also looked at money Puck

547
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,519
to see. I was like looking at which lines are

548
00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:11,880
doing well, and that line of Dubois, Wilson and McMichael

549
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,200
is currently the twelfth best in the entire league in

550
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:17,880
terms of expected goals for sixty. That's ridiculous. We're talking

551
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,319
like the best twelve lines in the entire league, which

552
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,440
usually is some combination of the guys you would think of,

553
00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:25,680
like the mcdavids and the McKinnon's and those kinds of things,

554
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,759
but some other guys mixed in there too. That's really high.

555
00:28:28,279 --> 00:28:31,319
So yeah, there are definitely some things that have turned

556
00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:34,200
around for McMichael, and that hope that I think some

557
00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:37,559
of us were holding on to is starting to materialize.

558
00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:40,599
So I think the question here crafts are is what

559
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,359
do we do with him?

560
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm gonna buyer right now. Actually, after

561
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,640
we exchanged those on him, I did acquire him in

562
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,799
a dynasty league. I don't know if we had a

563
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,480
chance to talk about that trade, but for me, he

564
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,079
falls into and I believe the trade that I made

565
00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:00,880
was of this sort. It's this story category I've been

566
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,640
exploring the last couple of years where it's like a

567
00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:08,000
good by high opportunity, if that makes sense, And so

568
00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:11,519
it's the idea is to capitalize on the other owners

569
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:14,839
feeling that he's getting to sell high on a player

570
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,759
that's not going to sustain the production. So you believe

571
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,759
and there's reason in the past with this player or

572
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,039
circumstances to think maybe this is peak asset value. But

573
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,759
you're a believer, you can still I think, get a

574
00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:33,200
discount there and obviously got the crazy at least before

575
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:36,240
last night's game, he was around twenty percent shooting percentage

576
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:39,880
that's not going to hold. There's I think reason to

577
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,240
believe that owners might be thinking, boy, this is now

578
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,039
is the time to trade this guy. So I guess

579
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,160
because of the rocky history to get to this point,

580
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,359
there's a little bit of risk not to this by

581
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:57,720
high gambit because you're not going to be able to

582
00:29:57,799 --> 00:29:59,480
do it. If the player is a you know, a

583
00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:03,000
blue chain stud. It's someone who's got some reason to believe,

584
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,440
some reason for the other owner to believe this guy

585
00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:08,799
might be at his all time high value. But to me,

586
00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:12,960
like what everything you just said Victor. It just only

587
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,920
supports how he's already feeling about this guy. And so

588
00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:18,119
let's say he cools off and finishes the year with

589
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:22,799
sixty sixty five points. I think he's going to have

590
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,359
more value in the offseason at coming off a sixty

591
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,640
point year than he does right now, because it's taken

592
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:32,759
him so long to put it all together and the

593
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,680
shooting percentage is so high. So if you don't have

594
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,319
he has someone who's not looking at those underlying numbers,

595
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,680
they may see it as the time to make the move.

596
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:42,880
I think I'm a buyer, and I guess I would say, though,

597
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,359
in spite of all that this, we're still talking about

598
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,960
a secondary asset, not a cornerstone player. He's in that

599
00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:52,279
everyone else category for me, that middle pack of guys,

600
00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:55,920
And so that means the goal is to scoop this

601
00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:59,480
guy up now, look for an opportunity to maybe flip

602
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:02,000
him again in the future. And unless you're going forward

603
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:04,000
and he holds this together and he can be a

604
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:07,279
key piece to your contention for a title. But if

605
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:09,680
you're anywhere other than that, I think you're just thinking,

606
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:12,599
is can this guy get to sixty points? And in

607
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,680
the offseason is a Connor McMichael coming off with sixty

608
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:18,680
points worth more than I pay to get him now?

609
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:20,920
And I think in a lot of leagues the answer

610
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,240
is going to be yes. And then who knows, maybe

611
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:25,839
there's a seventy point season in him this year, and

612
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,200
then you can either keep him or pocket even more

613
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,079
of a gain in the offseason. So that's where I'm

614
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:31,440
at as far as dynasty goes.

615
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think one thing is for sure is that

616
00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:36,839
there's probably gonna be a lot of movement of Connor

617
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,759
McMichael in the next nine months or so, maybe a year,

618
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:41,880
and I think that that's right. I think a lot

619
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,720
of it just depends on what you can get both

620
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,359
or what you have to pay, because if you can

621
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:50,880
buy high and not sell the farm, then that makes sense.

622
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,200
I think if assume, like you said, that he's going

623
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,880
to maybe be that sixty to seven point player, if

624
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:58,960
he lives in that range, then I think you can

625
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:02,599
sell him for that and maybe someone will buy what

626
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,079
he's doing now. I do think a lot of it

627
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,240
is sustainable, but I don't really think that he's a

628
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:09,759
point per game player. I think he's just a notch

629
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,160
below that, and so that's where the assessment comes in.

630
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,279
My biggest concern is who's he playing with and who

631
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:22,039
do the Capitals have moving forward. Even though it looks

632
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:25,079
pretty good right now, we have seen I don't trust

633
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,599
Pier Luc Dubo or anything. We have seen that guy

634
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:33,079
just completely fall off and lose interest, and there's so

635
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,640
many potential issues with that. We know Obi's pushing going

636
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,119
to be forty. Tom Wilson is for a bigger guy

637
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,759
getting on the passing thirty, and they have some other

638
00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:45,160
decent players. Strome is one of the most underrated players

639
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:48,160
in the league. Lexai protest looks great, so they have

640
00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:50,559
a little bit coming around, but I'm just not sure

641
00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:53,200
that it's going to be enough to sustain a super

642
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:55,359
high producer for a long time. So that's part of

643
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,440
why nothing really against McMichael. I think if he was

644
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:01,480
like when Edmonton or colorad or something like that, I said, say,

645
00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:03,359
for sure, he could be a point per game player

646
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:06,839
playing with some other talented players, But I just think

647
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,599
he's more in that sixty to seventy maybe sixty five

648
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,640
to seventy five. I think he might be the guy

649
00:33:11,759 --> 00:33:14,920
you want on Washington in a couple of years. I

650
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,039
don't know if he's quite right currently during the streak,

651
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:18,920
he is, but I'm not sure that how long that's

652
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,440
going to continue. There's a league where I have him.

653
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:23,680
I drafted him, and I've held him the entire time,

654
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,440
and that league has a two hundred and forty games

655
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,440
played limit, And if you have a higher limit, you

656
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:30,559
probably held him this whole time. But if your limit

657
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,359
was like eighty or one hundred games, you might have

658
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,240
dropped him and then scrambling to reacquire him right now.

659
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,759
And in that case, you have to think about what

660
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,039
you want to pay. I'm not selling him in that

661
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:42,599
league where the minor limits to forty because the value

662
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,559
is just so high because of what he's doing. And

663
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,160
it's a contract league, and obviously he's making nothing, so

664
00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:53,279
that's just fantastic for now. Although he is gonna he

665
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,720
is going to get paid. He's making two point one million.

666
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,440
It's not nothing, but he's going to be an RFA

667
00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:00,359
at the end of next season, and if he continues up,

668
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,519
he's certainly going to get a pretty decent raid. That's

669
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:06,559
something to think about. Yeah, I think just trying to

670
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:08,440
figure out where he settles is part of it. And

671
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:10,280
one thing that came to mind for me that I

672
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,159
want to ask you about Kraftzer is Jason Robertson. And

673
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:17,880
Jason Robertson he's been a really funky evaluation for a

674
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,639
lot of us too. And he broke out in twenty

675
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,440
twenty twenty one with that seventy two point pace, and

676
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:26,280
then he had a couple seasons in the eighties and

677
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,559
he had that outlier season looks like an outlier of

678
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:30,719
one hundred and nine point pace, but he hasn't really

679
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,239
come close to that since, and this season he's down

680
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,079
in the fifty point pace range. He's still shooting a

681
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:38,239
fair amount, the shooting percents, a lot of the numbers

682
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,440
look the same, He's just not producing as much. And

683
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,239
so I'm starting to wonder if that one hundred point

684
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,159
season is the outlier and maybe he's just more of

685
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,679
a seventy to eighty point guy, in which case, maybe

686
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:53,760
you could get Jason Robertson for coonor MacMichael. I don't

687
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,800
know if you could, but that thought occurred to me.

688
00:34:56,519 --> 00:34:58,559
Would you have the guts to do that? Would you

689
00:34:58,639 --> 00:34:58,840
do that?

690
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: I would probably still take Robertson in that deal, Yet

691
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:06,559
what I deal Robertson for McMichael, I don't think. I

692
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:09,519
think it would be very unique circumstance contract league. I

693
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:12,880
think that's a huge difference there. But yeah, it's interesting.

694
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,119
The other thing I'd be curious about is I did

695
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,679
see looking at some of the stats on advanced stats

696
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,000
on McMichael, I did see a few other Caps players.

697
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,199
I think Manja Pane was up there high in rush

698
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:28,199
shots for sixty. I don't watch enough Caps to really

699
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,119
know how Carberry's like playing this team and system wise

700
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,639
like what their approach is, but it seems like it

701
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,199
might be the case where this is just a great

702
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,400
fit for McMichael and what he does and Dallas. Obviously

703
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,480
there hasn't been a regime change, but the ice time

704
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,440
that's being spread out in Dallas is I think frustrating

705
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:50,400
probably all of us. Maybe Stankoven's the only exception of

706
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,800
a player that is about where we would have all

707
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,519
hoped coming into the season, but everyone else is just

708
00:35:56,599 --> 00:36:00,119
a little bit muted based upon expectations. I think think

709
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:03,159
just because the ice is being spread so widely there.

710
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,000
But yeah, I don't know Robertson, he seems like he's

711
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,320
clearly a hash marks and in type of guy, like,

712
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:13,119
he's not going to be your driver, but it's less

713
00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:15,440
surprising to see him have some ups and downs because

714
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,320
it's not as dependable because he's gonna need the help.

715
00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:20,239
But yeah, I don't know that's a good one.

716
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,159
Speaker 3: If anyone managed to pull that off, let me know.

717
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,079
I think I would still stick with Robertson too, but

718
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,639
I am also concerned with some of the things they're

719
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,480
doing in Dallas. It's just a little weird. But I

720
00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:34,360
certainly I haven't seen enough for McMichael to pull the

721
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,920
trigger on that one though, But I think that's the

722
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:38,639
level just a little bit below a Jason Robertson type

723
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,280
is someone you might be able to get right now

724
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,440
with McMichael because he is really exciting and interesting. So

725
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,079
let us know what you think about your evaluation if

726
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:50,679
you'd make any trades with McMichael. But let's move on

727
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,039
to our next one, Drake Batherson. He's also been an

728
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:55,639
interesting one. What are your thoughts on him?

729
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's obviously off to I'd say for him a

730
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,840
bit of hot start here point per game so far

731
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,400
this year, Maybe a good time to check in on him,

732
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,760
But I also had him in mind because I think

733
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,079
it's a good opportunity to kind of put my storytelling

734
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:13,320
to the test here and see and just be willing

735
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,480
to expose for everyone some biases and some of the

736
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:18,800
little things that if you don't reflect on it, you

737
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,559
might not realize are playing into your valuation of guys.

738
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:25,960
So I'm a big bothersome believer. I think I have

739
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:30,280
him in almost all my leagues, and he's been let

740
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,039
me down a little bit in terms of the high

741
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:35,360
hopes I had the last couple of seasons. So I'm gonna,

742
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,679
I guess see if I can see how my story

743
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,960
that this guy is a point per game player holds

744
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:42,920
up to the scrutiny of your eye, Victor. So I

745
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,880
guess for him, he's a guy after my heart. You know,

746
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:51,199
started playing Fantasy twenty plus years ago, Fantasy Hockey and

747
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:57,000
the era of the Bangers, and when the option to

748
00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:00,599
have leagues that counted peripheral stats opened up, you had

749
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:04,599
your Dustin Brown, Brendan Morrow, David Bachis, Ryan Clote type

750
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:07,880
guys that were just monsters, and you got Tom Wilson. Now,

751
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:11,239
who's your envy? But guys that are true like two

752
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,039
hundred plus hit threats and I miss those guys. They're

753
00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:17,719
harder to find these days. And Batherston had as good

754
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,320
a profile as you're really going to find at a

755
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,280
two hit per game type of guy with some pop

756
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,440
to score. So I was immediately interested in him in

757
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:30,159
that regard. But and I guess because of his lack

758
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:32,719
of pedigree, he didn't really pop up on my radar,

759
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,719
and I'm sure it's probably true for most folks until

760
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:38,480
he had that end of the season with thirty four

761
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:41,519
points at fifty six games, hitting that two hits per

762
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:44,079
game number, and I was cooked at that point. The

763
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:48,639
Baiter model checking in on him, it's he started really

764
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:52,559
behind the eight ball because his early production was poor.

765
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:56,280
But the shape of his progression actually looks fantastic. It's

766
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,519
exactly what you want to see. It's improvement every year,

767
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,320
even when he's going up level. So that I think

768
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,239
is an exploit in the Bator model. If your league

769
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,639
mats use that and they're just looking at percentages, the

770
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,760
shape a lot of times, I think is a little

771
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,960
bit more important, especially and again this is just a

772
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:16,800
story I'm telling myself to convince myself on this guy.

773
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,320
Back when I started getting interested in him, the shape

774
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,800
of the model. When you've got a guy that's I

775
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,599
think six ' four, you're thinking, okay, notoriously, take a

776
00:39:26,639 --> 00:39:29,280
little bit more time to develop. So this is actually

777
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:31,920
maybe a hidden gem here that's playing in my mind.

778
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,480
And then he has his real calder competitive season I believe,

779
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,000
where he made the All Star team and no man,

780
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:44,320
actually I guess he had exceeded the games played the

781
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,239
year before, but that was the year he did make

782
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,320
the All Star team. And then he had the Arundell

783
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,719
incident behind the net and broke his ankle, and so

784
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,599
that was a by opportunity for me because I was

785
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,480
interested at the time and that injury might lead to

786
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:01,880
him being a little bit Undervalu that offseason. So then

787
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:04,880
he had the two seasons since where he's been in

788
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,880
the sixty point range, and I was hoping for a

789
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,679
little bit more during that time. But during all of this,

790
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,320
the one thing that was playing in my mind is

791
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,679
Ian Mendez on keeping Carlson being asked, I think after

792
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,079
the the Arundell season, and this is when Stutsla is

793
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:24,599
in the picture and Kachuck is on the team, who's

794
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:27,360
the one centers player that can be a point per

795
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,480
game player? He said Drake Batherson, and so I was like, WHOA, Okay,

796
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,360
that's going to again to these biases that has never

797
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:38,519
left my mind. Comments like that tend to stick, and

798
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,960
sometimes they for the better and other times for the worst.

799
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,119
I remember Rob Scuderi, former third pairing defenseman for the Pens.

800
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,360
Some people might remember when he left the Penns to La.

801
00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:53,400
He said, Martin Hansel, another player blast from the past

802
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,119
people might remember, was the hardest player in the Western

803
00:40:56,159 --> 00:40:58,559
Conference to play against. So I immediately went out and

804
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:01,320
acquired Martin Hansel on every league and that didn't work

805
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,639
out so well. But as far as Batherston goes, that

806
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,719
Mendez comment was playing in my mind during this time,

807
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:12,039
and so I guess he's got this player archetype that

808
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:15,039
I like that he bangs two hits per game, he's

809
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:17,599
got a great shape to his model, just a little

810
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:19,719
bit behind, but he's a bigger guy. And then you

811
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,440
got the Mendez comment and the injury, and in my mind,

812
00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:26,559
I'm just I'm chalking up all of these things to

813
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:29,800
why he hasn't quite gotten to that point yet. And

814
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,199
he's surrounded by some pretty good players, and that to

815
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,800
me is another sort of archetype that he that opens

816
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,480
the door here, which is the very good in his

817
00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:45,679
own right, but overshadowed by other teammates archetype of player asset.

818
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,559
And I think the best example this would be Jake

819
00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:52,480
Gonsel as a Penns fan, we saw early that Gensel

820
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:56,079
was much more than Crosby's linemate, and I think we've

821
00:41:56,119 --> 00:41:58,320
all seen that now and so being in on that

822
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,039
early and flagging Batherston as okay, maybe this is one

823
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:04,480
of those guys. All these things are in my mind

824
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,639
probably putting a higher than most other managers value on

825
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,880
this guy. And what is he I still believe that

826
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,159
there's a point per game guy there with two hits

827
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:17,519
per game. I think he's more of a playmaker than

828
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:20,519
a scorer, but I think he can finish his chances.

829
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,960
You'll notice, I think most of his goals are in

830
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,440
and around the net, so he gets there. But he

831
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:28,199
shows out as a really good power play player on

832
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:33,400
Jay Fresh's model and withstood the threat of Claude Deru

833
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:35,679
last season. I think a lot of folks thought he

834
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,159
would lose his power play one spot to Drew. He's

835
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,800
held it, and I think everyone would say now that

836
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,840
there's really no one that's going to take that from him.

837
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,719
I'm sticking to my multiple stories that I highlighted and

838
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:49,880
believing that this guy can put it together for a

839
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,920
point per game season in spite of the advanced stats

840
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,280
that don't look especially strong over the years. What do

841
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,159
you think, Victor.

842
00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 3: So you presented an excellent counselor. I appreciate that man

843
00:43:03,679 --> 00:43:07,039
blasts in the past, Ryan klow Man, I used to

844
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:10,800
love watching that guy. He was big and mean and

845
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,599
really hard to play against. But man, could the guy

846
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:16,559
barely skate. He was a rough skater, and I think

847
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,000
not only did he have some there were some off

848
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:23,000
ice issues, but and he had some concussion issues. But

849
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,679
it also seemed like the game kind of changed and

850
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,679
moved past him a little bit when things got faster.

851
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,719
But he was so fun to watch. And yeah, I

852
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:35,079
remember those guys you mentioned for sure, the definitely a

853
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:36,800
little bit of a more rare archetype. I think a

854
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,880
big difference between Bathurston and those guys is that Bathurston

855
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,920
can really move like he is not a slow guy,

856
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,159
and so he's got the physicality and some of the

857
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,800
other nice features of a score, but he also bangs

858
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,119
a lot. So yeah, Drake Bathurston is currently a point

859
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:56,840
per game players. So I guess we just wrap this

860
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,280
up and say case closed. Right seems fair? No, okay,

861
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:05,159
maybe there's some object objection, objection, your honor, Maybe that

862
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,440
we dig into it a little bit more. His expected

863
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:10,440
numbers are even better than what he's actually producing. If

864
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,960
you look at the evolving Hockey model of just xcar

865
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:19,679
he is better than what he'd expects. So that's not

866
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,599
just goals, but that's like his total offense, So that's interesting.

867
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:28,639
There's obviously some outliers here in his shooting percentage. He's

868
00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:32,599
shooting twenty point eight percent in his average including that,

869
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,400
his career average including this season is twelve point eight,

870
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,639
and he's had several seasons below a couple seasons below ten.

871
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,559
But typically he seems to be living outside of those

872
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:45,599
low ball numbers. He lives more in the fourteen to

873
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:49,119
fifteen percent range, so maybe it's not as out landish

874
00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:51,960
as possible that he keeps up a relatively high shooting percentage.

875
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,639
He also has maybe one or two too many secondary assists,

876
00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:59,840
but overall, nothing is like super crazy. One of the

877
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:03,119
fun things that Micah Blake McCurdy has on Hockey Biz

878
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:06,639
is looking at dual threat players. I actually didn't realize

879
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:09,519
he had this or this a recent feature, but it's

880
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:12,920
fun looking at what you think someone is or what

881
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:16,599
they can do, and it's interesting. Claude Deru is the

882
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,119
main dual threat on this team. He's more of a

883
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:23,280
finisher but shows up pretty well in the playmaking, whereas

884
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,840
Brady Kuchuk. You might think of him as a finisher,

885
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,280
but he's listed much more here as a playmaker, which

886
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,960
is interesting. And so the only other one solidly in

887
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:36,159
the dual threat area is Drake Batherston along with Drew

888
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,719
so that's interesting, which I think is a good thing

889
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,599
unless you're just outrageously good at one thing like Joe

890
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:45,440
Thornton or Levechkin. It's nice to be a dual threat

891
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:49,079
because you have more ways to score, and primary expected

892
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:51,960
points is a really good metric, whether it's a primary

893
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,440
assist or a goal, those are more reproducible than secondary

894
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,400
assists anyway. So it's nice to be able to have

895
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,000
a nice to be pretty high on those numbers, those lists,

896
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,760
So that's good. But there's some bads here that I

897
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,239
might have to push back against you craft, sir, and

898
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,960
that is that there's this really cool feature that hockey

899
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:15,039
Viz has as well, and it's called synthetic goals, and

900
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:19,559
it's looking at all the different it takes me a

901
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,440
koind a bunch of different features from play driving, expected

902
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,960
goals for assists against, looking at some play driving numbers,

903
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,679
corsi and things like that, shots block shots and things

904
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,239
like that, and it breaks in this graphic. It breaks

905
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,480
it down by first line or second liner, third liner,

906
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:41,719
and fourth liner, and the best on the team of

907
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,519
the centers by far as claud dru which is interesting.

908
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,079
I guess I might have thought it was Stucchele or Kuchuk,

909
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:49,960
but it is not, and so that was surprising that

910
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:52,119
I thought Drew was good but not that good. It

911
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:56,159
also has Michael Amadio in the similar range to Brady Kuchuk,

912
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:58,920
so that makes me question everything about this graph, which

913
00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:01,960
because I don't think those in the same conversation. But

914
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:04,960
it also has Bathurston as more of a second liner

915
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,920
near where Stutsla is, so that's maybe a little bit

916
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,320
of a knock against him. But again I also question

917
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,400
a little bit this graph considering some of the other players.

918
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,239
It also has Josh Norris solidly as a fourth liner,

919
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,280
which there are a lot of metrics that show Josh

920
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,440
Norris as not a great player, including there's this which

921
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,800
one was I looking at. I don't know if it

922
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,800
was this replacement gras. I think it was a different

923
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,119
graph that actually had Norris so bad that he looked

924
00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:32,679
like one of the worst forwards on the team. So

925
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,760
that's interesting and neither here nor there, but just something

926
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,760
I noticed looking at the even strength offense. Drake Bathson

927
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,639
is a minus for what his impact is on the team,

928
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:46,719
which is definitely not good for someone for an offensive

929
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,400
forward that you're looking at. But his offensive impact on

930
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,039
the power play is good, and he does have four

931
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:53,800
of his twelve points on the power play, so I

932
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,719
guess that's good. The other graph that I really like

933
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,599
to look at is the Wowie with and without you,

934
00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:01,880
and that's one way of looking at it. And also

935
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,599
you can just look at replacements. So if you just

936
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:06,880
took that player out, how does that player do in

937
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,039
terms of expected goals and assists? And interesting that some

938
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:13,199
of the guys that you would think of have been good,

939
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,199
like Stuchla kachuk Jeru is actually closer to the dull

940
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,599
than good, but still not on the negative side of

941
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:22,559
the ledger. Adam Goddad, who's having a crazy good season,

942
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:26,000
is on the positive David Pern which is interesting, but

943
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,840
it's a little not as flattering for Bathurston in this chart,

944
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,920
and so that's interesting where a lot of the players

945
00:48:33,079 --> 00:48:36,280
are much worse. Sorry, a lot of the players without

946
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,599
him are much better than they are with him. And

947
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,800
so that's never something you want for your best players,

948
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,800
is for them to be without you on the ice.

949
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,119
And you look at some of the best players in

950
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:49,960
the league and when you look at this, that isn't

951
00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:52,880
generally the case. They're pretty much always worse without someone.

952
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:57,760
So that is some reasons why I might have to

953
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,039
disagree with you. In terms of the point per game projection,

954
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,280
I think that he so he's had a couple seasons

955
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,760
in the sixties, he had that seventy eight point pay season.

956
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,440
I'm thinking that he lives in that sixty five to

957
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:12,440
seventy five point range. But with those strong piffs that

958
00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:15,480
certainly can give him a little bit more value than

959
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:17,400
just a straight up point. So where do you think

960
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,000
he belongs in terms of his roster type?

961
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think The evidence is probably against me on

962
00:49:25,559 --> 00:49:28,199
this one, but I wanted to use as an opportunity

963
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,679
to just point out some of those ways that you

964
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,679
can explain things away. If you start to buy into

965
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,280
a guy and you hold out hope and suddenly a

966
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,880
season that's not you know what you would want to

967
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,440
see to have the player live up to the promise,

968
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:45,599
You justify it because there was a coaching change, or

969
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:48,599
there was an injury to alignment or some of these things.

970
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,280
If you happen to buy that he can be a

971
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,760
point per game guy, a guy who maybe when his

972
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,719
contract is up, he leaves and gets a bigger deal.

973
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,119
I think he's very reasonable contract right now, but just

974
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:04,960
given the other talent in Ottawa, if he's a guy

975
00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:07,320
that's going to exit and kind of get a big

976
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,599
free agency deal, maybe if you believe in the player,

977
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,519
that gives him the opportunity to hit that point per

978
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:17,599
game level. But yeah, I think it's probably best to

979
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:19,559
treat him as he is what he is right now.

980
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:22,559
But I think there's a case out there that he's

981
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,159
still got a little bit more in him, but I

982
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:25,119
guess we'll have to see.

983
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:31,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely agree with him taking a step I'm

984
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,880
just not quite sure if i'd go point per game.

985
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,920
But again, he doesn't need to be point per game

986
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,480
to be super valuable. We already have an archetype on

987
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:41,239
the same team, Brady kud Chuck, who is that player

988
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,400
who scores a fair amount but the priffs are just

989
00:50:43,519 --> 00:50:47,159
so good, and I think Bathurston falls into that range,

990
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:51,159
maybe just a step below what Brady can do. But yeah,

991
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,400
real interesting one. We're going to take a quick break

992
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:56,639
Crafts and then come back on the other side here

993
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,440
and talk about a couple other players.

994
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:06,119
Speaker 2: On double What are you going to do to get

995
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:11,239
me that selfish hockey? That's right, selfish hockey. Break it down,

996
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,840
skate to block, don't pass it head. It's still going

997
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:14,800
to be there when you catch.

998
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:17,559
Speaker 1: Up with taking coast to coast shots and poor angles,

999
00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:20,239
they're still shots, bad balance, that's a good breakaway. Gotta

1000
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,800
get the bounce boys perfectly. All right, welcome back.

1001
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 3: We'll continue our conversation of Kraftser's corner here and taking

1002
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,079
into account. In this part, we're going to talk about

1003
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:32,639
two defensemen from the twenty twenty drafts who are on

1004
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,239
pretty different trajectories as of late. So why don't you

1005
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,920
tell us a little bit about that craft surf.

1006
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: Yes, I think we got Jamie Drisdale and brought Favor

1007
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:45,679
to finish things out. And I think it's fun to

1008
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,559
compare these two just given the different trajectories, and it's

1009
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:52,719
interesting from where they had their start at that draft

1010
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,519
and where they seem to be headed or where they

1011
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:58,320
seem to be right now. I guess taking Drysdale first

1012
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:01,440
a little bit of a selfish pick because I'm trying

1013
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:02,960
to figure out what the heck to do with him

1014
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,559
in a long time league where I'm coming out of

1015
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:10,119
a rebuilding a big way and he was age and promise.

1016
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,159
He was one of those pieces that I thought would

1017
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:15,119
be helping me in this step towards the playoffs and

1018
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,360
the rest of the team's doing what it needs, but

1019
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:20,119
he's certainly not. And I'm just trying to figure out

1020
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:23,599
whether I can salvage anything out of him. Start with

1021
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:28,440
the positive. You got the pedigree, and you've got a

1022
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:32,320
team investing a big piece by trading Cutter Goat to

1023
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:37,079
bring Drysdoe in. I think those are that's often worth

1024
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,599
thinking about because it's I think Dauber's been very good

1025
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:43,039
at pointing these things out over the years, money talks,

1026
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:46,320
trade acquisition, cost talks when it comes to ice time,

1027
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,599
towards might have some other ideas, but you'd think that

1028
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,280
Philly's going to try and maximize what they have in him,

1029
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,840
given what they gave up to get him. He was

1030
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,960
obviously a top ten pick, the top d man on

1031
00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:02,440
the board that year, although of a weaker class. Statistical

1032
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:07,000
profile is insane. Vader's model. Just absolutely love this guy

1033
00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:10,159
based upon that incredible nineteen year old season he had

1034
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,280
in the NHL. But that's really the high water mark.

1035
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,400
It's been all downhill from there. He's still got amazing skating,

1036
00:53:18,159 --> 00:53:21,559
but back to back injuries or near back to back

1037
00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:25,599
injuries on that same shoulder, just pretty brutal stretch of production.

1038
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,480
Since coming back from those injuries, He's obviously changed teams.

1039
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,760
Maybe you can try and explain it away there, but

1040
00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:36,039
the teams have been bad teams at that. But yeah,

1041
00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:40,559
so I guess looking at the tape doesn't really help

1042
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:44,280
a whole lot. He's an excellent skater, but puck skills

1043
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,360
seem just okay, not a dynamic athlete, and that's something

1044
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:53,239
that I think actually is worth noting. If you're thinking

1045
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,079
about these guys as assets. Someone who's gonna have that

1046
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,360
dynamism to their game might be more attractive to other

1047
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,639
managers in a trade, even at the same production they

1048
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,280
might be making. The highlight reel and just the sex

1049
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:13,440
appeal of having that dynamic player oftentimes pushes the value

1050
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:15,159
up a little bit. And I just don't think he

1051
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,000
is that. From an athletics standpoint. Everything since has been

1052
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:22,079
pretty consistent with his original scouting report. It looks like

1053
00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:24,519
a good skater out there in the hockey sense. Is

1054
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,400
maybe not what we all hoped and what scouts had hoped,

1055
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,559
But if he's going to do anything, he's going to

1056
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:33,440
do anything, it's going to be that his brain. A

1057
00:54:33,519 --> 00:54:36,079
guy he reminds me of from an asset perspective is

1058
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:41,559
Alex Kologowski, smooth skater, never dynamic, but put up some

1059
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:44,159
productive seasons. But just when you think about it, those

1060
00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:47,880
that were playing in the Goligoski days, never a guy

1061
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,320
you were going to get another manager actually really excited

1062
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,039
about in a trade offer if you and another one

1063
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:56,519
who is not dynamic. He came in and right around

1064
00:54:56,519 --> 00:54:58,840
the same time as Crystal Tang, and you compare the

1065
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,119
two in the tank, just much more dynamic guy, even

1066
00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:05,440
if never as smart as Gologowski was in my opinion.

1067
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:08,079
But so you've got the time on ice opportunity, the

1068
00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:11,480
power player opportunity should be there, given that heavy investment

1069
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:15,280
by Philly, some solid players around him. It just hasn't.

1070
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:18,280
There's just not been much there beyond that. So I

1071
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,920
guess in my mind, the question is do you try

1072
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,719
and take that pedigree the acquisition costs, the ice time,

1073
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,400
the age, and the profile and turn him into something

1074
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,920
or is there some reclamation project here that would make

1075
00:55:33,039 --> 00:55:35,840
him worthwhile for rebuilding team to go out and pick

1076
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:36,159
him up.

1077
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 3: Well, that's a good question, and no problem inserting your

1078
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,280
own selfish reasons for wanting to talk about a player.

1079
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:47,039
I think that's a lot of why we do a

1080
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:50,119
lot of this anyways. But yeah, I think it's always

1081
00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:53,760
important to think back at that draft and that twenty

1082
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:59,480
twenty draft was really weak on defense, and I think

1083
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:02,119
sometimes we get a little blinded. And I think NHL

1084
00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:06,519
teams do this too. They want something like they want

1085
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:08,360
a defenseman and this is the year that they have

1086
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,079
a high pick, so to the game. I'm not saying

1087
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:13,559
that's what Anaheim did but there was a lot of

1088
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:15,880
talk of if you need an offensive defenceman this year,

1089
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,760
it's got to be Jamie Drysdale, and I think when

1090
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,199
you look back at this draft that he's clearly not

1091
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,840
the best offensive defenseman in that draft. It's probably gonna

1092
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,960
be Jake Sanderson, who was billed as more of a

1093
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,679
two way defensive guy. But we've also we're talking about

1094
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,800
brock Favor later, and there's even some guys that went

1095
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,400
later than him that that might even be more offensive

1096
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,119
than that, like Mason Lora showing some promise, and we've

1097
00:56:40,119 --> 00:56:44,440
seen some Justin Baron and King Gooley, So there's some

1098
00:56:44,519 --> 00:56:49,280
other names, but that everyone was focused on he's got

1099
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,559
to be the offensive guy, and that may not necessarily

1100
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:55,159
always be the case. There were some other offensive guys

1101
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,239
that maybe had some promise. I mentioned Goolie, William Vallender,

1102
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,159
Emil Andre who's kind of breaking out now, Lucash Cormier,

1103
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,599
Jeremy Pouarrier. Both of those last two had a lot

1104
00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:08,039
of good offense, but the defense was a big question

1105
00:57:08,199 --> 00:57:12,119
and that continues to be the case. So sometimes the

1106
00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:15,000
best of what's around should give you pause, because that

1107
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:17,119
isn't really a good way of going about it. You

1108
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,559
really have to try to compare these guys draft to draft,

1109
00:57:20,119 --> 00:57:22,719
year to year, which is really hard. But I think

1110
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,440
a lot of us who were looking at this and

1111
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:27,000
just looking at Drysdale were saying, like, I don't know

1112
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:28,840
how he compares with some of the other guys. It

1113
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,920
didn't seem as good. He was really good in junior.

1114
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:34,559
But the other question is like, what else is dynamic

1115
00:57:34,599 --> 00:57:37,360
about him? You alluded to this, the skating is really great,

1116
00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:40,960
but what else is there? Is there good, really good,

1117
00:57:41,239 --> 00:57:44,480
incredible hockey sense. Is there really good puck skills or

1118
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,840
a really good shot or anything else? And I think

1119
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,840
the answer even back then was nothing really stood out

1120
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,119
aside from just being a good skater. Is that enough

1121
00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:55,840
to be a good fantasy asset? It's enough to be

1122
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,679
in NHL or And I think a lot of us

1123
00:57:57,719 --> 00:57:59,960
thought that and that was true. But is there an

1124
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:03,400
enough to be more than that? And I we're still

1125
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:06,039
waiting to see the answer of that, but I don't

1126
00:58:06,039 --> 00:58:08,840
think so. And the other big issue with Dryzdel is

1127
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,519
that what else does he do aside from skate around

1128
00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:13,480
and do a cardio session when he's out there? Because

1129
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:16,079
the priffs are a real problem with Jamie Dreizel. You

1130
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:18,760
mentioned Alex Goologowski, which I think is not an unreasonable

1131
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,920
comp except that Gologowski always had good priffs and Drysdell

1132
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:26,000
is not that kind of guy. So you're lucky if

1133
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:28,039
you get a shot out of Jamie. He has one

1134
00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:30,639
hit in thirty one games this season. He has eighty

1135
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:32,880
one hits in his entire one hundred and sixty NHL

1136
00:58:33,039 --> 00:58:36,480
game career. That's really not great a half hit per

1137
00:58:36,519 --> 00:58:38,800
game on average. The blocks are a little bit more

1138
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,360
decent this season. Sorry. In his career, he has an

1139
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,559
average of one per game to this point, but this

1140
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,400
year has been closer to two per game, which is decent.

1141
00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:49,119
A lot of guys can give you two blocks per

1142
00:58:49,199 --> 00:58:53,079
game that do more than A big indictment is when

1143
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:55,599
I look at his evolving hockey grass and holy cow,

1144
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:00,480
is it bad. All of his even strength offense expected

1145
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:04,039
numbers is expected and actual numbers are pretty terrible. And

1146
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:06,360
this includes Anaheim and Philly. But I looked at it

1147
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,119
both ways. I looked at Anaheim and I looked at

1148
00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:10,719
it just Philly, and it's pretty much bad no matter

1149
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,440
which way you cut it. There really isn't a good

1150
00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:16,360
slice of pie here, unfortunately, And then looking at the

1151
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,239
wowie you know, looking at the Philadelphia players with Drysdale

1152
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,760
and without, now it's not terrible like that. He definitely

1153
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,400
seems to be helping some players and not others. But

1154
00:59:28,519 --> 00:59:30,280
he's in the middle like where some are a little

1155
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,840
bit better and some are not in terms of the

1156
00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:36,239
with or without you. So that's reasonable, especially for a

1157
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,880
young ish player. You'd hope him to be better and

1158
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,039
pulling players into the good, but he doesn't do that

1159
00:59:41,199 --> 00:59:43,960
for a lot of players. And then the synthetic got

1160
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,119
the synthetic goals. Looking at that, he is literally the

1161
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:50,800
worst defender of all the defensemen in Philly in terms

1162
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:55,280
of when you incorporate all these expected goals number offense,

1163
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,039
defense and book hanging out at all. Yeah, he's just

1164
00:59:58,239 --> 01:00:00,639
really bad. And a lot of the other players, even

1165
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:03,280
m Landre i was on here, is much much better

1166
01:00:03,719 --> 01:00:07,400
cam Yorke i was funny than a similar draft. So

1167
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:09,920
the analytics just suggests that he's really not good. I'm

1168
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:12,800
just not sure what there is like about Drysdale other

1169
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,719
than if you yeah, if you look back at his

1170
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,239
hockey prospecting card when he graduated the mile the model,

1171
01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:22,760
he looked like a surefire star, but it clearly is

1172
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,320
not the case. And I actually had this discussion with someone,

1173
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,639
and this was back in yeah, twenty three, twenty four

1174
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:32,880
and there, and the question was like, why we still

1175
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,679
believe in Jimmie Dreizel, And I was like, I don't.

1176
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,159
And he pulled up the Hockey Prospecting cards like, look,

1177
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:39,480
he still looks like a ninety four percent chance of

1178
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:41,519
being a star. And I was like, I think you

1179
01:00:41,679 --> 01:00:45,000
need to That's okay to look at that, but when

1180
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:47,360
you start being presented with more and more evidence to

1181
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,320
the contrary, you really have to change your mind. And

1182
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:52,480
the more he was playing in the NHL, the more

1183
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:55,119
he was showing us that he really wasn't that guy.

1184
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,199
And at this point he's got one hundred and sixty

1185
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,440
NHL games, and it's it seems like the more he's played,

1186
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,599
the worse he's gotten as a fantasy asset, not necessarily

1187
01:01:04,679 --> 01:01:07,000
as an all around defender. I think he's made some

1188
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:10,119
strides there, but I don't think there's any world where

1189
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:12,039
he gets to the point where we thought he would

1190
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:15,400
be in his OHL days. I just don't think he's

1191
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,840
ever going to be that defenseman that we saw in

1192
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,679
the Eerie Otters and with Hockey Canada that was so great,

1193
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,119
and I think as he's a send of the levels,

1194
01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:26,559
it's become more and more challenging for him. I would

1195
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,440
try to get an ascid for him, drop him, whatever

1196
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:30,400
you need to do, craps her.

1197
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:33,519
Speaker 1: What do you think, Yeah, I think that's probably the

1198
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:36,840
right answer, although I did he did come back in

1199
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,960
that Michael trade I mentioned after we picked up these players,

1200
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:42,920
but before I knew your thoughts, Victor and saw just

1201
01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:45,920
how bad and grim the picture is. But that's okay.

1202
01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:48,760
I mean I knew I really had basically the same

1203
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,719
judgment when I acquired him, and just I guess, just

1204
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,719
to give the perspective on why I thought he was

1205
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,000
even worth including in that deal, that's a that is

1206
01:01:57,079 --> 01:02:00,760
a like twenty twenty seven at best team that I

1207
01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:05,559
inherited this summer and basically doing a tear down. And

1208
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,239
so I didn't see him as I didn't see the

1209
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,679
owner who threw him in the deal as placing much

1210
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,119
value on him. And so my thinking was there's no

1211
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:18,880
obvious threat in the pipeline. Since the Flyers passed on

1212
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:23,400
Zev and you've got Mischkov. His play is going to

1213
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,159
improve and connect me and Tippett. There's some pieces there

1214
01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:30,840
that if he continues to get power play time, maybe

1215
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,000
he has a moment where you know, he just it

1216
01:02:34,039 --> 01:02:36,920
could be an unjustified hot streak, and I will be

1217
01:02:37,039 --> 01:02:39,719
looking to sell. Hopefully no one in that league is listening,

1218
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,639
but yeah, I'll be if he has any sort of

1219
01:02:42,719 --> 01:02:46,760
blip where you can resume this narrative that was the

1220
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,199
trade and the injuries and look he's back. He's that

1221
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,440
eighty four ninety four chance to be a star guy again,

1222
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:55,800
I'll be looking to I'll be looking to flip him.

1223
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,760
So it's a short term acquisition, not much cost on

1224
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,639
a team that's going no. So all I need is

1225
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:06,239
one sell moment in the next two seasons and he'll

1226
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,599
have been something out of nothing for me. But other

1227
01:03:08,679 --> 01:03:11,239
than that, I just I don't see him worth the investment.

1228
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,239
I think you're right that the evidence at this point

1229
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:15,840
has to outweigh all the promise that might have been

1230
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:16,360
there before.

1231
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:21,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds good. We have one more guy to talk about,

1232
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,800
and why don't you tell us your brock favor opinion.

1233
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is like my opposite of Batherston situation.

1234
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,639
I've been pretty vocal in the discord that he's a

1235
01:03:33,199 --> 01:03:35,880
very obvious sell high for me. I'm not sure if

1236
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,079
you agree, Victor, or if you don't, maybe you can

1237
01:03:38,159 --> 01:03:40,960
change my mind. But on the positive side, I had

1238
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:44,199
Batherson as that sort of great player. It's going to

1239
01:03:44,239 --> 01:03:47,800
be overlooked because he's maybe behind some other great players,

1240
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,000
and that you can squeeze some value out of those

1241
01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:52,039
guys or get them maybe a little cheaper than you

1242
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:55,280
should favor for me, is like this. I just think

1243
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,119
of it as like a gravy player archetype, where it's

1244
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:02,559
none of us and all likelihood paid anything to acquire

1245
01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:06,840
this guy. Probably didn't get drafted in three round Dynasty league,

1246
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,360
sixteenth team dynasty leagues, so he's a waiver at and

1247
01:04:10,599 --> 01:04:12,920
everything you can get out of this player, whether it's

1248
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,719
helpful production for your team or assets in a trade,

1249
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,840
is great. And so with that type of player, I

1250
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:24,559
am always thinking so high while the getting's good, when

1251
01:04:24,719 --> 01:04:28,639
is that moment that this is maximum value? And for me,

1252
01:04:29,199 --> 01:04:32,480
I think I probably would have a tough time thinking

1253
01:04:32,599 --> 01:04:36,639
it's anytime other than this last summer, But I guess

1254
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,039
like other ones that we've discussed, none of these guys are,

1255
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,840
in my opinion, cornerstone guys. That might sound a little

1256
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:48,000
strange for a forty seven point rookie defenseman playing twenty

1257
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:51,239
five minutes a night, but I guess the big issue

1258
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:56,000
here for me is there's really nothing coming into this

1259
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:01,679
that basic stats, advanced stats pedigree about this guy that

1260
01:05:01,719 --> 01:05:05,000
would suggest that such a season was coming. Maybe Epper,

1261
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:08,039
but certainly not in his rookie season. It seemed like

1262
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,760
top four if the puck moving comes along, was the

1263
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,920
guy that was being drafted, and as a prospect, he

1264
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,239
seemed to be that there was maybe a little bit

1265
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,559
of buzz that he had some untapped offense when he

1266
01:05:20,239 --> 01:05:22,039
I think he got the power play role his last

1267
01:05:22,119 --> 01:05:24,440
year in college, but I don't think anyone had him

1268
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,119
pegged as a power play one guy. I think if

1269
01:05:26,119 --> 01:05:28,599
you watch him on the ice, he's a smart player,

1270
01:05:28,639 --> 01:05:32,079
he's a good player. But I just again, nothing dynamic there.

1271
01:05:32,599 --> 01:05:35,000
And this is another thing I like to do in fantasy.

1272
01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:37,800
Corey Fromman does this sometimes, I think, maybe to a

1273
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:42,880
fault when scouting, just for real life impact, looking for

1274
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:47,039
a comparable player in the NHL and trying to find

1275
01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:49,039
that guy. For me, I'm like, I'm looking at favor

1276
01:05:49,159 --> 01:05:53,280
and looking for who's the guy that maybe you're getting here.

1277
01:05:53,679 --> 01:05:56,000
Let's look back like the last ten to fifteen years.

1278
01:05:56,119 --> 01:05:58,800
The guy that you're maybe getting where he is going

1279
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,719
to blossom into. So he's truly going to hold this

1280
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:05,159
power Play one spot even when Billiam comes up. I

1281
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,559
just have a hard time finding anyone to compare him to.

1282
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,000
And the opportunity in the ice time last year was massive,

1283
01:06:13,079 --> 01:06:15,840
but it's not like he beat out anyone that was

1284
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,039
like especially offensive minded to get it. I think you

1285
01:06:19,159 --> 01:06:21,320
have to grant him that he did an amazing job

1286
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,480
once he did get the time and got on that

1287
01:06:23,559 --> 01:06:26,719
power Play one, and the power play was looking very

1288
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,559
good with him on it at the end of last season,

1289
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:31,519
so to me, it was like the promise of a

1290
01:06:31,639 --> 01:06:34,679
full power Play one season this year for him, that

1291
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,880
was optimum time to make a move. I guess the

1292
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:43,639
best comparison it's not necessarily player type directly, but from

1293
01:06:43,679 --> 01:06:47,119
a fantasy assets standpoint, I think there's some rhymes with

1294
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,880
Thomas Shabbat, another one who I think is probably would

1295
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,239
agree is a better real life player than fantasy player

1296
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,360
in terms of his role on the team is greater

1297
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,880
than his role on your fantasy team. And I think

1298
01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:03,159
he had a crazy power play season I think his

1299
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:07,079
second year in the league where the team I think

1300
01:07:07,159 --> 01:07:08,960
they were in the top half, and then the next

1301
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:12,440
year bottomed out on the power play and he's never

1302
01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:15,960
really regained. That looks more like a forty point guy

1303
01:07:16,159 --> 01:07:19,760
that took advantage of opportunity in a season and put

1304
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,079
up I think it was like a sixty five point

1305
01:07:22,159 --> 01:07:25,400
pace and got everyone really excited. But if you looked

1306
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,360
at the player, it seemed maybe he was a little

1307
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,239
bit miscast in that role and that has seemed to

1308
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,079
play out. So for me, if you look at his career,

1309
01:07:34,239 --> 01:07:38,239
I think that after that big season. Of course now

1310
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,440
we have benefit of hindsight with him, but after that

1311
01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:42,760
big season is when you could have gotten the most.

1312
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,360
I remember trying to chase him in leagues after that season.

1313
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,079
So I think we're there with Faber two and I

1314
01:07:49,159 --> 01:07:51,599
think all that's even more true with the Z pick

1315
01:07:52,199 --> 01:07:54,920
for the Wild this year and Victor. You can maybe

1316
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,559
comment on the timeline for when you think he poses

1317
01:07:57,559 --> 01:08:00,039
a threat, whether it's as early as next year, but

1318
01:08:00,679 --> 01:08:02,599
that's my view on Fabor. I don't know, what do

1319
01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:03,159
you think, Victor.

1320
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:09,639
Speaker 3: I feel personally attacked because I took Favor in our dispersal.

1321
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:12,719
So in some ways this almost feels like the McMichael

1322
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:16,680
versus the Favor Who's gonna win out here? But no,

1323
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,840
I'm just kidding. I really I just love watching Brock Favor.

1324
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,600
He's just so smart. I don't know that he's definitely

1325
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,800
that he's super dynamic or offensive, and I think that's

1326
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:31,039
part of the concern. And in so many ways, I

1327
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:34,039
think Favor is the anti Drysdale. They're like so opposite

1328
01:08:34,119 --> 01:08:37,079
in so many ways because Drysdale had all this high

1329
01:08:37,079 --> 01:08:39,159
octane offense and the great skater, and there was so

1330
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:43,600
much promise, and then he's really struggled to do two way,

1331
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,680
to drive play two way and really translate his offense

1332
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:48,399
and his DEFENSEI have been a bit of a struggle,

1333
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,600
and Favor has kind of been this. Back in the

1334
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,920
day he was at the us NTDP, no one really

1335
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,279
thought too much about him. He didn't have too much offense.

1336
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:58,720
That team in nineteen twenty was good, but not the

1337
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,439
historic eighteen nineteen team that scored just at will. And

1338
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,600
he was just a solid two way guy that didn't

1339
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:09,439
have much offense, and it was okay, there's not much

1340
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,920
offense there, and then they've kind of Favor and Dryzill

1341
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,720
have flipped and become the opposite of one another in

1342
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,760
some ways. Although I don't know the Dryzell's defense has

1343
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,680
caught up to where Favors was, but looking at his

1344
01:09:22,359 --> 01:09:25,640
tracking data Favors from the NTDP time, you could see

1345
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:27,720
that his transition in defense was really good. In his

1346
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,359
draft season, the offense wasn't quite there. Then he went

1347
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:32,720
to Minnesota and it flipped a little bit. His offense

1348
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,800
got better and his defense got worse, which is really

1349
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,520
confusing to think about, and that persisted into his second

1350
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,880
season and then yeah, he goes to University of Minnesota,

1351
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,439
had a bit of a difficulty with that transition, and

1352
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,720
then he came to the NHL and I was like,

1353
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:51,600
he seemed like he was just instantly so good when

1354
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,960
it was like, WHOA, what's going on here? I think

1355
01:09:54,039 --> 01:09:56,760
a lot of it caught a lot of people by surprise.

1356
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,239
I don't think it was too surprising and turn terms

1357
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:04,199
of how well he could translate the two way game,

1358
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:06,520
but I think there was more offense there than a

1359
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,079
lot of people thought, and as you mentioned, there was

1360
01:10:09,239 --> 01:10:11,399
just a lack of opportunity for other people or a

1361
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,920
lack of other people who could run a power play.

1362
01:10:14,119 --> 01:10:16,640
And I think this is a really big lesson though,

1363
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,600
because guys who can handle heavy minutes are going to

1364
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,680
just get gifted opportunities like this. And because brock Faber

1365
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:31,319
could play twenty four to five minutes a night, there

1366
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,600
was no problem with him being able to run the

1367
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:35,720
power play, and there's some guys that just can't do that.

1368
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,720
When I think that actually is a really important thing

1369
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,439
to think about. Can this guy play north of twenty

1370
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,880
minutes a night? I think we're starting to really wonder

1371
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,079
that about Jamie Drysel. I'm not sure that he can,

1372
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,680
you know, and that's a big concern, you know. The

1373
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,560
other thing about his periffs, favorite prifts are a bit modest.

1374
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,000
I think when you look at per sixty, his priffs

1375
01:10:55,039 --> 01:10:57,119
are actually not very good. But the time on ice

1376
01:10:57,239 --> 01:11:00,840
is so high that they actually look decent. But if

1377
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,359
you regress some of that time, if that ever happened,

1378
01:11:03,399 --> 01:11:04,960
it would be quite worse. But I'm not sure that

1379
01:11:05,039 --> 01:11:07,119
he's ever going to lose time on ice. Quite frankly,

1380
01:11:07,239 --> 01:11:10,000
he's just so good. But one of the things that

1381
01:11:10,319 --> 01:11:13,680
gives me an opposite feeling about this mark is that

1382
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,920
he was last season six and expected goals against per

1383
01:11:17,039 --> 01:11:20,880
sixty six of all defensemen. I did weed it out

1384
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,000
for guys that only played one hundred and fifty minutes

1385
01:11:23,079 --> 01:11:24,800
or something like that, but if of all the guys

1386
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,239
that played big minutes, he was sixth in the league.

1387
01:11:28,279 --> 01:11:32,279
And that's crazy, especially when you look at difficulty and matchup.

1388
01:11:32,319 --> 01:11:36,039
There was pretty much no one who played as difficult

1389
01:11:36,039 --> 01:11:38,680
a minutes as brock Favor last season twenty three twenty four,

1390
01:11:39,079 --> 01:11:42,279
which is really wild. He was twentieth in corsi against

1391
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,239
last season, and he was sixteenth in terms of expected

1392
01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:48,359
goal differential, which includes offense and defense. Here's a list

1393
01:11:48,399 --> 01:11:50,760
of the names that were on that were ahead of him,

1394
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:56,319
Quinn Hughes, Evan Bouchard, Roman Yosi, Drew Dougherty, Eric Carlson,

1395
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,520
Josh Morrissey, Rasmus Dalen. I think all those guys we

1396
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,920
would agree you're extremely fantasy relevant. Then we get a

1397
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,359
couple that maybe aren't so much. There's a Marcus Petterson

1398
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:07,399
sighting who's just really awesome defensively, Dylan Demello as well

1399
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:12,760
Travis sein Sanheim, but then there's John Carlson, Davontave's, Noah Dobson,

1400
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,800
Jacob Chicker, Candra Miller, and then Brock Favor. Some of

1401
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,520
these aren't like the other. So the question in my

1402
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:22,600
head is he more Marcus Petterson, Travis Sinheim and Dylan Demelo,

1403
01:12:23,079 --> 01:12:25,039
Caandra Miller or is he more like some of these

1404
01:12:25,119 --> 01:12:28,399
offensive guys? And to me, he definitely reminds me more

1405
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:33,439
of Josh Morrisey, whose skills aren't maybe so insane offensively,

1406
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,319
but just so dependable in all situations that you can

1407
01:12:36,359 --> 01:12:38,840
just leave him out there and he's a really safe

1408
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,960
power play quarterback and that he's not going to do

1409
01:12:41,079 --> 01:12:44,760
something really stupid and cost you, and he's still pretty

1410
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,680
good enough at moving the puck that he provides some

1411
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:51,840
pretty good opportunity and some pretty good offense. It's just

1412
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,600
not he's not Eric Carlson walking the line. He's not

1413
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:58,680
dynamic like Dras Mustelin. He's not an insane incredible passer

1414
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,800
like Quinn Hughes or have the bomb that Evan Bouchard has.

1415
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,760
But he's just so solid in every situation. That's part

1416
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:07,960
of what to me helps me feel like he's going

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to retain a lot of this value. I don't know

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that he's going to I don't think that he's going

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to be like a sixty point guy, but I think

1420
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he can easily live in that forty five to fifty

1421
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,439
five point range just because he's going to be out

1422
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,640
there all the time. And in terms of the Zev situation,

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I think it's really interesting because in many ways, I

1424
01:13:26,359 --> 01:13:29,479
think Zev William is just like Brock Favor in a

1425
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,520
lot of ways that he's just really good at everything.

1426
01:13:33,239 --> 01:13:36,079
I think Zev probably is a bit more offensive, but

1427
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:38,720
I think they're similar in the sense that they're both

1428
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,119
just really good at in putting them in any situation.

1429
01:13:42,199 --> 01:13:44,399
I think z will also be able to handle a

1430
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,079
lot of minutes. I think that you wouldn't worry about

1431
01:13:47,119 --> 01:13:50,039
him defensively, and maybe he's a little bit more offensive.

1432
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:52,880
So yeah, sure, maybe he takes the power play from Brock,

1433
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:54,279
but I think Brock is still going to be a

1434
01:13:54,359 --> 01:13:57,520
twenty five plus minute guy who gets around forty eight

1435
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:00,000
to fifty points, which is still going to be pretty

1436
01:14:00,199 --> 01:14:02,560
valuable if you're in a league that counts time on ice.

1437
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,760
Then I don't think that's going to change. But if

1438
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,760
you're really depending on some of those periffs and power

1439
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,880
play points to continue, then I certainly would be a

1440
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,439
little bit concerned. So that's my thought on that. What

1441
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,800
do you think, Yeah, I.

1442
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Speaker 1: Think I think that makes sense. I guess there is

1443
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,520
that you mentioned that he's safe out there in the

1444
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,960
power play, and I guess, unlike some other players where

1445
01:14:24,279 --> 01:14:28,119
you're maybe looking to sell, his value is probably fairly

1446
01:14:28,279 --> 01:14:30,800
safe in the short term. I don't think Declan Chisholm's

1447
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,800
taking Line one or powerplay one you've got as in

1448
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,439
terms of just thinking about him as an asset. You

1449
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,800
can point to the contract I think as a very

1450
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:43,199
good thing that that's every indication he's going to continue

1451
01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:45,479
to be a twenty five minute piece to this team.

1452
01:14:46,119 --> 01:14:48,760
You've got Caprisov, who I think is like next level

1453
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:52,680
superstar this year, you got Boldies Rise. You can sight

1454
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:57,039
to those guys being linemates on the power play. So yeah,

1455
01:14:57,079 --> 01:15:02,359
I think he's probably not going to dip significantly in

1456
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:05,359
this short term. But again I still come back to

1457
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,239
who's the who do you hope you're getting from a

1458
01:15:08,319 --> 01:15:12,520
comparatur standpoint by holding favor for let's say the next

1459
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,399
five years and look at what your team's going to

1460
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:20,880
do during that time and analyze whether what he tracks

1461
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:22,960
to do is going to really make a difference for

1462
01:15:23,079 --> 01:15:26,760
your team, or can you trade him now for someone

1463
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,680
who does have special skills offensively and can be that

1464
01:15:31,079 --> 01:15:34,880
sixty five plus type of d man sixty sixty five

1465
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,840
plus as opposed to the forty five to fifty five

1466
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:40,439
that you see favor as Victor. So that's where I'm

1467
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:44,319
at on him. But yeah, some of those stats are

1468
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:48,239
convincing that maybe it's not there's no urgency around selling him.

1469
01:15:48,279 --> 01:15:50,399
Maybe you can wait to get really what you're looking

1470
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:55,479
for if you do think that he's in a high

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01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:56,960
value time right now.

1472
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't necessarily I think that the Shabbat comparison

1473
01:16:02,119 --> 01:16:03,680
is a bad one either, because I think in many

1474
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,800
ways Zeve could be like a Jake Sanderson who comes

1475
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,159
in and just takes a lot of even strength minutes

1476
01:16:09,279 --> 01:16:11,680
and some of the offensive zone starts and power play.

1477
01:16:12,279 --> 01:16:15,359
And I still I think that you're going to see

1478
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,840
some value there from Shabbat, but it certainly has diminished

1479
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,119
over the years, and you haven't quite seen a return

1480
01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:25,680
to what we saw in his really high watermark season,

1481
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,920
So I think that there's probably some analogy there. But

1482
01:16:29,079 --> 01:16:33,279
I do think that Faber is a better all around

1483
01:16:33,319 --> 01:16:35,880
player than Shabbat, and I think that there's a little

1484
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,800
bit more, there's better instincts, and we have seen Schabbat's

1485
01:16:40,039 --> 01:16:43,560
power play time meander a little bit, but he's pretty

1486
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:47,000
consistently been in that forty to fifty point range. And

1487
01:16:47,159 --> 01:16:52,159
so aside from the uptick and power play points which

1488
01:16:52,199 --> 01:16:56,239
has definitely moved around, we have seen regardless of that,

1489
01:16:56,359 --> 01:16:59,119
we have seen relatively similar production throughout the years, and

1490
01:16:59,159 --> 01:17:01,479
I think that's something that we could maintain to see

1491
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:05,119
with favor as well. Awesome, this was really fun, Mark.

1492
01:17:05,199 --> 01:17:07,840
I really appreciate you having this discussion with me and

1493
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:10,520
hopefully people liked it. Let us know what you think

1494
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,000
and maybe we can entice you to come on again

1495
01:17:13,039 --> 01:17:14,520
and have another nuanced discussion.

1496
01:17:15,279 --> 01:17:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you bet, it was a great time. Thanks Victor.

1497
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 3: We'll be our back to close up the show.

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01:17:30,199 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 2: Well, hey, folks, I'll tell you what I learned something there.

1499
01:17:33,159 --> 01:17:35,159
I learned something there. You didn't hear my voice. I

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had this week off as we kind of try to

1501
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get everything together. But that was a good episode and

1502
01:17:42,359 --> 01:17:46,680
thank you to Craftter for being around for it. A reminder,

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put things together. We've got lead scouts because we do

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Vee and Tony wrangle all that there are lead scouts.

1524
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Brandon is the website guru. He's a scout. He's helping

1525
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to prospect ranks and ualizations. We're going to get him

1526
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on one of these days to describe how all that works,

1527
01:19:04,079 --> 01:19:07,000
because I know we get questions on those FHL player cards,

1528
01:19:07,039 --> 01:19:10,279
which are amazing. If you have skills, you'd like to

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lend a show, Victor is all ears, hit them up

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01:19:46,359 --> 01:19:47,319
Speaker 3: And occasionally hockey.

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Speaker 2: I keep most of my hockey takes here, but sometimes

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we get to the philosophical or we get to the

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multi sport because I do lead a four sport league

1544
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over there, and so hockey gets involved sometime. But you

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