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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Bedtime Astronomy. Explore the wonders of the cosmos

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<v Speaker 1>with our soothing Bedtime Astronomie podcast. Each episode offers a

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<v Speaker 1>gentle journey through the stars, planets, and beyond, perfect for

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<v Speaker 1>unwinding after a long day. Let's travel through the mysteries

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe as you drift off into a peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>slumber under the night sky.

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<v Speaker 2>The ultimate question, so one we've all thought about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>late at night, since we were kids. Where did we

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<v Speaker 2>actually come from?

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<v Speaker 3>And we're not talking philosophy.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, no, not at all. We are tackling what might

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<v Speaker 2>be the hardest scientific problem out there. How a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of non living chemistry, just molecules, made that incredible leap

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<v Speaker 2>to become biology, to become the first living cells.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're diving into a really provocative answer to that question.

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<v Speaker 3>The hypothesis we're analyzing today is that life on Earth,

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<v Speaker 3>and I mean everything from the trees outside your way

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<v Speaker 3>to you, it didn't actually begin here, No, it was delivered.

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<v Speaker 3>It hitched a ride, a very rough ride, on a meteorite,

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<v Speaker 3>all the way from the planet Mars.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea that we are fundamentally martians is just it's thrilling.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the ultimate cosmic plot twist.

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<v Speaker 3>It absolutely is. And look, while most scientists in this

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<v Speaker 3>field still favor life starting right here on our own planet,

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<v Speaker 3>you have to look closely at the timelines, at the constraints.

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<v Speaker 3>The Martian transfer idea is still an intriguing hypothesis for

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<v Speaker 3>one big reason. And what's that It solves one enormous problem,

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<v Speaker 3>but in doing so, it creates a whole bunch of others.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's our mission today. We're going to test this

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<v Speaker 2>idea against some pretty harsh realities planetary formation, space physics.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been looking at recent analyzes of the cosmic clock,

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<v Speaker 2>geological records, even some amazing genetic reconstruction of our oldest.

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<v Speaker 3>Ancestor, Luca, the last universal common ancestor exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So we need to know does the timing pressure on

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<v Speaker 2>Earth force us to look somewhere else?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is the journey from Mars just too impossible to

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<v Speaker 2>even consider?

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<v Speaker 3>There are really two core conflicts we have to resolve

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<v Speaker 3>for you. First, was the window of time for life

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<v Speaker 3>to start on Earth just too short? Because if it was,

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<v Speaker 3>the Martian idea suddenly gets a lot more compelling, right.

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<v Speaker 3>But Second, even if life did start on Mars? Could

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<v Speaker 3>it possibly have survived that brutal trip through space? If

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<v Speaker 3>that journey is impossible, the whole hypothesis just collapses.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's unpack this. I think we needed to start

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<v Speaker 2>by setting the stage and looking at that cosmic clock.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see which planet really got the head start in

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<v Speaker 2>the race for life.

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<v Speaker 3>When we talk about origins, you have to anchor yourself

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<v Speaker 3>in deep time, I mean really deep time. We start

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<v Speaker 3>around four point six billion years ago. Okay, that's when Mars,

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<v Speaker 3>because it's smaller and bit further out, cooled down and

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<v Speaker 3>solidified into a proper planet. Earth came just a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit after, around four point five four billion years ago, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Mars gets about a sixty million year head start. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>in geological time, sixty million years doesn't sound like a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that window mean when you're talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>chemistry of life.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's crucial. That sixty million years is absolutely critical

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<v Speaker 3>because of what has to happen in those first steps.

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<v Speaker 3>We're talking about incredibly complex molecules learning to assemble themselves,

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, the first building blocks.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, the first large organic molecules that could replicate, that

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<v Speaker 3>could carry out some kind of metabolic function. Now, these processes,

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<v Speaker 3>they might be fast under perfect conditions, but they need stability,

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<v Speaker 3>and the longer a planet is cool and stable, the

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<v Speaker 3>higher the odds are that this will happen.

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<v Speaker 2>So that sixty million year lead meant Mars was potentially

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<v Speaker 2>brewing life while Earth was still a chaotic, half formed mess.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the idea, and it's so important to remember that

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<v Speaker 3>right after they formed, neither planet was welcoming at all.

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<v Speaker 3>The key thing here is that the energy from their

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<v Speaker 3>formation meant their surfaces were initially molten, just global oceans

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<v Speaker 3>of magma.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't start life in an ocean of magma.

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<v Speaker 3>No, you definitely cannot. Life can't start when the surface

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<v Speaker 3>is liquid rock. So both Earth and Mars had to

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<v Speaker 3>cool down, let that heat escape and allow a crust

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<v Speaker 3>to harden on the outside, and that process that's the

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<v Speaker 3>real starting line for habitability.

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<v Speaker 2>And once that cooling started, the two planets went down

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<v Speaker 2>very different paths.

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<v Speaker 3>Wildly different. And this is why early Mars is such

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<v Speaker 3>an appealing place to look for life's origins, especially when

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<v Speaker 3>you compare it to the frozen, radiated desert it is today.

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<v Speaker 2>So paint that picture for us what did the red

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<v Speaker 2>planet look like four point five billion years ago? That

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<v Speaker 2>makes it such a strong candidate.

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<v Speaker 3>What's really fascinating is that the evidence suggests early Mars

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<v Speaker 3>was maybe even more suitable for life than early Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>Was more suitable.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it had all the critical pieces you need for

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<v Speaker 3>life to start independently, give us.

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<v Speaker 2>The shopping list. What do you need to start life

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<v Speaker 2>from scratch?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, First, and this is non negotiable, Early Mars had

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<v Speaker 3>a protective atmosphere. It acts as a shield against harmful

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<v Speaker 3>radiation from the Sun. But more importantly, it creates enough

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<v Speaker 3>pressure pressure for what for liquid water to be stable

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<v Speaker 3>on the surface. Without that atmosphere pressure, water just boils

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<v Speaker 3>away instantly into space.

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<v Speaker 2>And we know for a fact Mars had that water.

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<v Speaker 3>Vast amounts of it. We see the evidence today in

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<v Speaker 3>the ancient river beds, the delta's, the geological signs of oceans, rivers,

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<v Speaker 3>and lakes. So we had the essential solvent for chemistry

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<v Speaker 3>to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so atmosphere of water. What's the final piece.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the puzzle energy and chemical complexity. Really, Mars was

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<v Speaker 3>almost certainly geothermally.

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<v Speaker 2>Active and geothermal activity. Why is that so critical, Why

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<v Speaker 2>can't life just start in some quiet little pond.

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<v Speaker 3>A quiet pond is too dilute, it's too calm to

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<v Speaker 3>get life started. You need to concentrate the ingredients. You

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<v Speaker 3>need heat, and you need mineral catalysts. Geothermal places like

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<v Speaker 3>deep sea hydrothermal events or hot springs on land. They

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<v Speaker 3>are the perfect cradle for life.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're like little chemical factories.

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<v Speaker 3>They're perfect. They have high temperatures for fast reactions, a

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<v Speaker 3>constant supply of mineral rich water that concentrates the organic stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>and a source of chemical energy like hydrogen or methane

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<v Speaker 3>that the very first cells would have needed to eat.

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<v Speaker 2>So if Mars had all of that, which it seems it.

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<v Speaker 3>Did, then life could in theory, have gotten started there

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<v Speaker 3>very early, maybe right after it formed, around four point

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<v Speaker 3>six billion years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>So to recap, Mars gets a head start, it has

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<v Speaker 2>all the right ingredients. It's ready to start cooking up biology.

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<v Speaker 2>But then back on Earth, something so catastrophic happens that

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<v Speaker 2>it completely sterilizes the planet.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is the dramatic difference between the two stories.

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<v Speaker 3>We're talking about the thea impact Earth's great biological filter

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<v Speaker 3>around four point five to one billion years ago, just

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<v Speaker 3>thirty million years after Earth even formed, a planet the

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<v Speaker 3>size of Mars, which we call THEA, smashed into the

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<v Speaker 3>proto Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>That is just it's staggering. It's hard to wrap your

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<v Speaker 2>head around that kind of collision.

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<v Speaker 3>The best way to think of it is not as

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<v Speaker 3>a crash, but as a cosmic reset button. It was

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<v Speaker 3>hit with planetary force. The energy released was so immense

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<v Speaker 3>it didn't just melt the crust. It revaporized and melted

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<v Speaker 3>both planets, both THEA and the proto Earth. They basically

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<v Speaker 3>became one big, superheated blob of molten rock and gas,

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<v Speaker 3>which then eventually separated to form the Earth we know

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<v Speaker 3>today and the Moon.

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<v Speaker 2>And that kind of energy means total absolute sterilization.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. The temperatures would have been thousands of degrees. If

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<v Speaker 3>any simple life, you know, any self replicating molecules it

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<v Speaker 3>started on Earth before that, our sources are clear, they

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<v Speaker 3>certainly would not have survived it.

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<v Speaker 2>It just boiled the oceans, vaporized the atmosphere, and liquefied

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<v Speaker 2>the entire surface.

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<v Speaker 3>Earth was scrubbed clean.

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<v Speaker 2>So Earth hits its biological reset button four point five

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<v Speaker 2>to one billion years ago. Our story of life can

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<v Speaker 2>only begin after that, after the surface cooled down enough

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<v Speaker 2>to hold water again. Meanwhile, what's Mars doing during all

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<v Speaker 2>this chaos?

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<v Speaker 3>And this is the critical point, This is the real

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<v Speaker 3>strength of the Martian origin idea. The contrast is just fascinating.

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<v Speaker 3>The early Solar System was a violent place, but Mars,

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<v Speaker 3>for whatever reason, maybe it's orbit, maybe just cosmic luck,

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<v Speaker 3>it didn't get hit by anything big enough to cause

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<v Speaker 3>a global planet sterilizing remelting event.

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<v Speaker 2>So no cosmic reset button from Mars. Why not? Why

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<v Speaker 2>didn't it suffer the same fate.

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<v Speaker 3>The main reason is probably its size. It's smaller. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>that might sound like a disadvantage, but in this case,

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<v Speaker 3>it might have saved it because of that relative stability.

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<v Speaker 3>If life got going early on Mars, say between four

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<v Speaker 3>point six and four point five billion years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It could have just kept going.

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<v Speaker 3>It could have continued evolving without any major planet killing

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<v Speaker 3>interruptions for at least half a billion years.

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<v Speaker 2>Five hundred million years of uninterrupted evolution. Yeah, compared to Earth,

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<v Speaker 2>which was basically sterilized right after it formed. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>monumental lead.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a huge lead. It means Martian life would have

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<v Speaker 3>had time to optimize its biochemistry, to diversify, to fill

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<v Speaker 3>different ecological niches, and maybe most importantly, for this whole

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<v Speaker 3>hypothesis to get tough, to become incredibly heardy, a necessary

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<v Speaker 3>trait if you're going to become a cosmic hitchhiker later on.

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<v Speaker 2>But Mars isn't a paradise now, that five hundred million

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<v Speaker 2>year window must have closed. What happened? What signaled the

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<v Speaker 2>end of habitable Mars?

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<v Speaker 3>The clock was definitely ticking for Mars, and again it

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<v Speaker 3>was mainly because of its size. After that first crucial

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<v Speaker 3>half billion year window. The internal engine of Mars, its core,

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<v Speaker 3>it cooled down too quickly and just stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>And that killed its magnetic field exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It caused its essential protective bubble, the magnetic field to collapse.

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<v Speaker 2>But wait, why did Mars lose its field so fast

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<v Speaker 2>when Earth still has a really strong one. Was being

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<v Speaker 2>smaller just an inherent cosmic disadvantage?

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<v Speaker 3>That seems to be the key. We think Mars being

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<v Speaker 3>smaller just lost its internal heat much faster. Earth is bigger,

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<v Speaker 3>its core is different, and that allows our liquid outer

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<v Speaker 3>core to keep churning away, generating our protective magnetic field.

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<v Speaker 2>And once that shield is gone, the atmosphere is just

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<v Speaker 2>doomed pretty much.

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<v Speaker 3>The solar wind, which is this stream of high energy

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<v Speaker 3>particles constantly blowing off the Sun, it could then just

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<v Speaker 3>attack the Martian atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 2>Directly, and it just stripped it away over.

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<v Speaker 3>Time, exactly, molecule by molecule, over millions of years, and

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<v Speaker 3>that was the end of Mars as a hospitable world.

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<v Speaker 3>Without the atmospheric pressure, the liquid water either boiled off

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<v Speaker 3>two major dangers, which were freezing temperatures and intense lethal

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<v Speaker 2>So any life transfer from Mars to Earth had to

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<v Speaker 2>happen early within that first five hundred million years, while

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<v Speaker 2>Mars was still wet and warm and could actually support life.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the window.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So now let's pivot back to Earth and look

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<v Speaker 3>This brings us right to the core challenge for the

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<v Speaker 3>Earth only idea. We're looking for that moment that life

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<v Speaker 3>sprang back into existence after the THEA impact, and to

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<v Speaker 3>do that you have geneticists and paleontologists working backwards from

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<v Speaker 2>So we're moving past the great reset now and we're

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<v Speaker 2>focusing on the first definitive evidence of life here on Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>And that evidence leads us to a crucial invisible ancestor, LUCA.

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<v Speaker 3>LCA, the last universal common ancestor. And it's really important

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<v Speaker 3>it's the microbial species from which all life today everything

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<v Speaker 3>that means it was already part of a mature ecosystem.

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<v Speaker 3>There were other branches below it that died out.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was a recent study that's critical here right

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<v Speaker 2>because new genetic techniques have pushed Luca's timeline back way back,

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<v Speaker 2>making Earth's evolutionary speed limit even tighter.

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<v Speaker 3>That new timing is everything. Scientists used really sophisticated genetic analysis.

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<v Speaker 2>Years, and from those they could reconstruct LCA.

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<v Speaker 3>They could reconstruct its biochemistry and critically figure out how

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<v Speaker 3>old it was. This detailed netic work suggested that Luca

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<v Speaker 3>lived four point two billion years ago, much earlier than

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just pause on that for a second. Reconstructing an

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<v Speaker 2>all you have are its distant, distant descendants, that sounds

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<v Speaker 3>It's a remarkable piece of deduction, really, because genetics works

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<v Speaker 3>on mutation rates and comparisons. Finding those deeply conserved genes

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<v Speaker 3>lets you trace everything back to that single node. And

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that we can place Luca at four point

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<v Speaker 3>two billion years ago tells us something huge. What's that

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<v Speaker 3>that the life we all come from was already well

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<v Speaker 3>established very shortly after the Earth cooled down from the impact,

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<v Speaker 3>and that dramatically, dramatically compresses the time available for that

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's calculate that timeline precisely. This is where the

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<v Speaker 2>whole idea of the breakneck speed of life on Earth

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we need our two fixed points, the Moon forming impact,

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<v Speaker 3>the big sterilization event that happened four point five to

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<v Speaker 3>one billion years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And Luca, our universal ancestor, was alive and kicking four

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<v Speaker 2>point two billion years ago. So we subtract four point

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<v Speaker 2>two from four point five to one, and that leaves

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<v Speaker 2>us with only two hundred and ninety million years. That

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<v Speaker 2>become living, self replicating biology and then diversify into a

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<v Speaker 3>And here's the context that really puts the pressure on. Remember,

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<v Speaker 3>Luca wasn't the first organism, right, It wasn't alone. No,

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<v Speaker 3>according to our source material, it was just one of

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<v Speaker 3>a multiple species of microbe existing in tandem. They were competing,

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<v Speaker 3>they were cooperating, they were fighting off viruses, surviving a

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<v Speaker 2>So you're saying life had two hundred and ninety million

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<v Speaker 2>years to go from what a few basic molecules to

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<v Speaker 2>a sophisticated ecosystem with a common ancestor. To put that

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<v Speaker 2>in perspective for everyone listening, two hundred and ninety million

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<v Speaker 2>very first reptiles. And life had to start from scratch.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the sheer complexity that has to rise that makes

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<v Speaker 3>of statistically unlikely steps to happen you have to get

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<v Speaker 3>the providing molecules concentrated, you need to form RNA or DNA,

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<v Speaker 3>you need to wrap it all in a cell membrane,

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<v Speaker 3>you need to kick start a metabolism.

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<v Speaker 2>And to do all of that and then diversify into

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<v Speaker 2>multiple species in under three hundred million years.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the core question. Was that enough time?

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<v Speaker 2>And if the answer is no, if that's just not

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<v Speaker 2>enough time, then the Martian hypothesis suddenly looks really really good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically saying, don't worry about it. We just imported

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<v Speaker 2>the finished product exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But before we get to that, let's look a little

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<v Speaker 3>closer at Lca itself, because its characteristics tell us a

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<v Speaker 3>lot about what early Earth was like. Okay, it's reconstructed

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<v Speaker 3>genome suggests as it didn't use sunlight, it lived off

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<v Speaker 3>of chemical energy molecular hydrogen or simple organic molecules.

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<v Speaker 2>Which points directly back to those geothermal environments you mentioned.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it suggests Lyca's habitat was probably a shallow marine

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<v Speaker 3>hydrothermal vent or maybe a geothermal hot spring on land. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>these are the high energy, chemically rich places that we

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<v Speaker 3>think are perfect for starting life.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that Luca was already living in these really

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<v Speaker 2>intense places also tells us something about the defenses it

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<v Speaker 3>It did. Laca had some pretty sophisticated biochemical machinery to

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<v Speaker 3>protect it from two major dangers. First, high temperatures, which

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<v Speaker 3>makes sense for a hot Springer event eight second, intense

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<v Speaker 3>UV radiation. Early Earth didn't have a proper ozone layer yet,

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<v Speaker 3>so anything near the surface was getting blasted by the sun,

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<v Speaker 3>which just shreds DNA. The fact that Luca had machinery

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<v Speaker 3>to deal with this confirms that its environment was brutal.

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<v Speaker 2>But even with all of Luca's adaptations, that two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and ninety million year timeline still feels tight. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is where our source material brings in a direct perspective

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<v Speaker 2>for an expert in the field, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the researchers offered a sort of counterintuitive take

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<v Speaker 3>on this, saying that their hunch, their professional hunch, would

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<v Speaker 3>be that two hundred ninety million years is actually plenty

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<v Speaker 3>of time, plenty of time for chemical reactions to produce

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<v Speaker 3>the first organisms and then for biology to diversify and

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<v Speaker 3>become more complex.

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<v Speaker 2>So this view, coming from someone who studies this for

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<v Speaker 2>a living suggests that maybe the timeline pressure isn't the

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<v Speaker 2>hard barrier we think it is. Maybe a biogenesis the

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<v Speaker 2>start of life is actually a much faster, more probable

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<v Speaker 3>And if that's true, if chemistry just naturally clicks into

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<v Speaker 3>biology relatively quickly, then the Martian hypothesis loses its main

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<v Speaker 3>selling point, which was time.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But it still leaves us with this profound choice.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it a rapid miracle happening here or was it

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<v Speaker 2>a massive, unprecedented feet of physics to get it here

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<v Speaker 2>from somewhere else?

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<v Speaker 3>And that is the next big hurdle.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, here's where it gets really interesting for me, because

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<v Speaker 2>even if we say the timeline on Earth is tight

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe manageable, the Martian origin idea has to get

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<v Speaker 2>over the ultimate barrier, the physics of survival.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, this idea, which is sometimes called lithopanspermia, it needs

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<v Speaker 3>any side steps the timing problem. It suggests Martian microbes

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<v Speaker 3>traveled here on meteorites and arrived just as Earth was

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<v Speaker 3>becoming nice and habitable after the moon formed.

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<v Speaker 2>But the massive counter argument is could anything even the

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<v Speaker 2>toughest microbe imageable actually survive that journey.

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<v Speaker 3>We are talking about taking a tiny, single celled organism,

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<v Speaker 3>strapping it to a rock, and flinging it across interplanetary space.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not a gentle cruise, not at all. It

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<v Speaker 3>is a journey through a biophysical gauntlet. To get from

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<v Speaker 3>Mars to Earth, a microbe has to survive a chain

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<v Speaker 3>of five extreme, often lethal conditions. And there's nothing in

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<v Speaker 3>LcA's genome that suggests it was adapted for space travel.

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<v Speaker 3>It was adapted for heat and UV light on Earth,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a whole different ballgame.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's break down that five stage gauntlet of interplanetary trauma.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the challenges? Step by step?

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<v Speaker 3>The very first step is the most violent initial ejection.

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<v Speaker 3>The life form has to survive a massive asteroid impact

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<v Speaker 3>on Mars's surface. This means enduring huge shockwave, the intense

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<v Speaker 3>heat from the impact, and the sheer acceleration you need

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<v Speaker 3>to hit escape velocity and get blasted out of the

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<v Speaker 3>Martian atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 2>What kind of forces are we talking about here?

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<v Speaker 3>Catastrophic forces. The acceleration needed to eject a rock from

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<v Speaker 3>Mars means the microbes inside are subjected to thousands of gs.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, a fighter pilot usually blacks out around nine g's.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're talking about forces that would just crush anything

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<v Speaker 2>we know instantly.

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<v Speaker 3>It would vaporize soft tissues. Only a dense microscopic structure,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe already encased deep inside a rock, has any chance

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<v Speaker 3>at all of staying intact.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So if it somehow survives that initial blast, it's

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<v Speaker 2>immediately thrown into the void exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Stage two is vacuum travel and radiation bombardment. The microde

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<v Speaker 3>has to survive the absolute vacuum of space, which means

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<v Speaker 3>total dehydration, while also being constantly blasted by cosmic rays.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, why are cosmic rays so much more dangerous than

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<v Speaker 2>the UV radiation Luca was dealing with Here.

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<v Speaker 3>On Earth, radiation is harmful, but it's pretty low energy.

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<v Speaker 3>Cosmic rays are high energy particles, protons, atomic nuclei, moving

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<v Speaker 3>at nearly the speed of light. They're what we call

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<v Speaker 3>ionizing radiation. When they hit something, they literally rip electrons

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<v Speaker 3>off atoms, They shred DNA, they destroy proteins.

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<v Speaker 2>And on Earth, our atmosphere and magnetic field protect us

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<v Speaker 2>from that they do.

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<v Speaker 3>In space, that shield is just gone. The cumulative dose

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<v Speaker 3>of radiation is.

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<v Speaker 2>Lethal, and the trip isn't a quick hop across the

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<v Speaker 2>Solar System.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's stage three duration. The calculations show that a

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<v Speaker 3>meteorite journey from Mars to Earth would take at a

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<v Speaker 3>minimum the best part of a year, but it could

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<v Speaker 3>be tens of millions of years, just depending on the

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<v Speaker 3>orbital path it takes.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's exposed to that radiation and cold and vacuum

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<v Speaker 2>for at least a year, maybe millions of years.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Survival depends entirely on the microbe's ability to go

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<v Speaker 3>into some kind of suspended animation like forming a spore.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's say it survives the ejection, the vacuum,

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<v Speaker 2>the radiation, the long journey. Then it has to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with a fiery arrival.

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<v Speaker 3>That's stage four atmospheric entry. The meteorite hits Earth's atmosphere

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<v Speaker 3>at incredible speed. This creates intense friction and plasma temperatures

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<v Speaker 3>that incinerate the outer layers of the rock.

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<v Speaker 2>So even if the outside is vaporized, the inside has

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<v Speaker 2>to stay cool enough to protect whatever's in.

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<v Speaker 3>There, ideally under one hundred degrees celsius.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and then finally, it's not going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>soft landing.

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<v Speaker 3>No Stage five final impact and landing, the microbe has

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<v Speaker 3>to survive a second massive shock event when it hits

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<v Speaker 3>the surface, and critically, even if it survives the crash,

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<v Speaker 3>it has to land somewhere it could actually live.

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<v Speaker 2>Landing in a nice, warm hydrothermal event would be perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Landing on a glacier or a dry piece of rock

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<v Speaker 2>would be fatal. Precisely, that is just an astonishing list

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<v Speaker 2>of required miracles, and the source material seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>pretty skeptical about this whole sequence.

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<v Speaker 3>It states it pretty plainly, the chances of all of

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<v Speaker 3>this seem pretty slim to me. The author concludes that

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<v Speaker 3>the transition from chemistry to biology happening right here on

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<v Speaker 3>Earth seems far easier than the Martian scenario.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the Martian scenario swaps one big problem the tight

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<v Speaker 2>timeline for a whole chain of colossal problems in survival physics.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, it requires life to arise, then evolve the ability

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<v Speaker 3>to withstand stellar violence, then survive for maybe millions of years,

431
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<v Speaker 3>and then successfully wake up on a whole new world.

432
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<v Speaker 2>So what are scientists looking at to make this journey

433
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<v Speaker 2>even remotely plausible? I mean, we have to be looking

434
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<v Speaker 2>at the toughest life forms we know of.

435
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<v Speaker 3>We are the survival studies all focus on what we

436
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<v Speaker 3>call extremeophiles. Only the absolute hardiest micro organisms could possibly

437
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<v Speaker 3>survive this. We're looking for life that has evolved some

438
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<v Speaker 3>almost Sci Fi level protective mechanisms.

439
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<v Speaker 2>Give us an example, what's the poster child for this

440
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<v Speaker 2>kind of resilience.

441
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<v Speaker 3>That would be a bacterium called Dinococcus radiodurans. It's often

442
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<v Speaker 3>nicknamed conan. The bacterium like that because it can withstand

443
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<v Speaker 3>massive doses of ionizing radiation hundreds of times more than

444
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<v Speaker 3>a human can, and it doesn't do it by blocking

445
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<v Speaker 3>the radiation. It does it by having incredibly efficient, redundant

446
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<v Speaker 3>DNA repair kits inside it cells. So its existence hints

447
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<v Speaker 3>that life can evolve ways to survive that deep space

448
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<v Speaker 3>radiation of stage two.

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<v Speaker 2>But even cone in the bacterium has to handle the

450
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<v Speaker 2>total dehydration over time and the intense heat of atmospheric.

451
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<v Speaker 3>Entry right, and that requires a second critical ability forming spores.

452
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<v Speaker 3>Some bacteria like Bacillis can go into this dormant, highly

453
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<v Speaker 3>protected state. They basically dry themselves out and lock their

454
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<v Speaker 3>DNA inside a tough protein shell, and they can survive

455
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<v Speaker 3>like that for thousands, maybe millions of years.

456
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<v Speaker 2>But even the toughest spore is going to get vaporized

457
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<v Speaker 2>by the impact or the atmospheric entry unless it has

458
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<v Speaker 2>some kind of protection. How do we solve the heat

459
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<v Speaker 2>and shock problem.

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<v Speaker 3>This brings us to the crucial get out of jail

461
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<v Speaker 3>free card for this hypothesis, the meteorite shield. The idea

462
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<v Speaker 3>is that if a whole population of these microbes were

463
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<v Speaker 3>trapped deep inside a large enough meteorite, they could be

464
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<v Speaker 3>protected from the worst of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So the rock itself acts as a heat shield and

466
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<v Speaker 2>a radiation shield.

467
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<v Speaker 3>The bulk of the rock acts as an ablative barrier.

468
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<v Speaker 3>It absorbs the shock, it protects from some radiation, and

469
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<v Speaker 3>most importantly, it dissipates the heat of entry. The outer

470
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<v Speaker 3>layers burn away, but the inside stays cool.

471
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<v Speaker 2>How big does the rock have to be.

472
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<v Speaker 3>It has to be big enough. Computer simulations support this idea.

473
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<v Speaker 3>They suggest if a rock is more than, say, a

474
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<v Speaker 3>couple of meters in diameter, the core on the inside

475
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<v Speaker 3>can stay thermally stable during that fiery plunge through the atmosphere.

476
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<v Speaker 2>Well, what about the duration the cumulative damage over millions

477
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<v Speaker 2>of years from those high energy cosmic rays. That still

478
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<v Speaker 2>seems like the biggest hurdle, even with a two meter

479
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<v Speaker 2>rock shield.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the ultimate limiting factor. And it's why there's

481
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<v Speaker 3>so much ongoing research here. There are lab experiments and

482
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<v Speaker 3>simulations trying to test this right now, trying to figure

483
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<v Speaker 3>out how quickly radiation damage builds up even in a shielded,

484
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<v Speaker 3>dormant spore. It's really a race between biology's maximum possible

485
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<v Speaker 3>resilience and the harsh, undeniable physics of space.

486
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we've laid out the whole case, the geological

487
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<v Speaker 2>time constraints, the advantage of Mars had early on, the

488
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<v Speaker 2>blinding speed of life's evolution here on Earth, and then

489
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<v Speaker 2>the staggering physical hurdles of the journey itself. So where

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<v Speaker 2>do we land? Are we the Martians?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you have to hold a balanced to view. The

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<v Speaker 3>hypothesis is plausible. And the reason is plausible is because

493
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<v Speaker 3>early Mars was an excellent incubator for life. It was wet,

494
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<v Speaker 3>it was stable, and it had a five hundred million

495
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<v Speaker 3>year head.

496
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<v Speaker 2>Start, a huge head start compared to Earth's chaotic, sterilized beginning.

497
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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, Mars had the time advantage. Well, Earth had the

498
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<v Speaker 3>speed challenge, that maximum window of only two hundred and

499
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<v Speaker 3>ninety million years to go from chemistry to a complex ecosystem.

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<v Speaker 2>But the evidence against the Martian origin is pretty significant.

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<v Speaker 3>It is first, you have the incredible difficulty of that

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<v Speaker 3>interplanetary journey. You have to survive five separate near lethal

503
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<v Speaker 3>trauma events. And second, you have the fact that many

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<v Speaker 3>experts in this field still lean towards the idea that

505
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<v Speaker 3>two hundred and ninety million years is enough time for

506
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<v Speaker 3>life to start here.

507
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<v Speaker 2>So what does this all mean? The Martian origin hypothesis,

508
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<v Speaker 2>the idea that our roots are red it remains this

509
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<v Speaker 2>really powerful and important thought experiment. It forces us to

510
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<v Speaker 2>examine the limits of evolution and abiogenesis, but it faces

511
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<v Speaker 2>such monumental challenges from physics that it's far from the

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<v Speaker 2>leading theory.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, we're choosing between what looks like a very rapid

514
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<v Speaker 3>early miracle here on Earth or a staggeringly difficult feat

515
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<v Speaker 3>of survival physics to get it here from Mars.

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<v Speaker 2>And as we close out, there's one final profound thought

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<v Speaker 2>that our source material raises that kind of puts the

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<v Speaker 2>whole idea in context.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, this really forces you to think critically about how

520
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<v Speaker 3>efficient this whole process of panspermia could be.

521
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<v Speaker 2>We've established how hard it would be for life to

522
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<v Speaker 2>get from Mars to Earth. What about life getting from

523
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<v Speaker 2>Earth outward?

524
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<v Speaker 3>Exactly? If life successfully made that journey from Mars to

525
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<v Speaker 3>Earth on a meteorite within the first five hundred million

526
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<v Speaker 3>years of the Solar System, a time when conditions were

527
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<v Speaker 3>chaotic and impacts were common, then.

528
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<v Speaker 2>Why hasn't that process happened again and again from Earth

529
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<v Speaker 2>across the whole Solar System in the four billion years.

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<v Speaker 3>Since Earth has been teeming with incredibly hardy life for

531
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<v Speaker 3>four billion years, we are constantly having impacts that eject

532
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<v Speaker 3>rock from our own planet out into space, carrying microbes

533
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<v Speaker 3>with it. If the journey is genuinely plausible, we should

534
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<v Speaker 3>have found definitive evidence of Earth life spreading to the

535
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<v Speaker 3>Moon or even contaminating Mars today.

536
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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that we haven't found that evidence, the

537
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<v Speaker 2>fact that.

538
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<v Speaker 3>The search hasn't yielded anything definitive, raises a really critical

539
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<v Speaker 3>question about how viable that original Martian transfer really was

540
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<v Speaker 3>in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe the transfer is just too difficult. Maybe the conditions

542
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<v Speaker 2>required for that chain of five miraculous survival events are

543
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<v Speaker 2>just so rare they've effectively never happened.

544
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<v Speaker 3>And that leads to an important final thought. Maybe we're

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<v Speaker 3>not the Martians after all. Maybe the simplest explanation that

546
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<v Speaker 3>life began right here is also the most resilient one.

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<v Speaker 2>Fascinating whether we're cosmic hitchhikers or the product of breathtaking

548
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<v Speaker 2>the rapid evolution right here at home, the story of

549
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<v Speaker 2>life's beginning is truly the ultimate origin story. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for joining us on this exploration of our cosmic past.

551
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<v Speaker 2>We really encourage you to keep thinking about these implications

552
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<v Speaker 2>of planetary history and biological resilience.

553
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<v Speaker 3>And remember critical thinking is essential when you're confronting questions

554
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<v Speaker 3>on this scale. We've given you the data points, now

555
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<v Speaker 3>keep questioning your assumptions about the universe. We'll see you

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<v Speaker 3>next time. Most past

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<v Speaker 2>The US, the
