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blowing up, phone lines on fuego. All right, so we're
going to get you guys. I got David, I got Emily.
I'm gonna get to you in a second, well thirty
three seconds. Actually, I'm gonna play this clip real quick.
Because Tijuana Brown, Charlotte City council woman indicted for fraud
with over a pandemic era loans, fraudulent loans, she has
called this political, This prosecution or this indictment, she said
was political.
Speaker 2: You called the attack political.
Speaker 3: What do you think the motivation is that it's political?
Speaker 4: Reason for I paid the money back. No one had
to tell me to pay it back. If we're seeking
justice and I paid back the twenty thirty three dollars
that I'm accountable for.
Speaker 1: Then why are we here? Do you call the press conference?
Speaker 4: Why are we here?
Speaker 1: You called the press conference.
Speaker 5: So you got to put it.
Speaker 1: If it's in the matter of justice.
Speaker 4: And we're seeking justice and I paid it back, again,
why are we here?
Speaker 1: You invited us, You called the press conference. Okay, No,
we're here because you paying back the money that you
fraudulently obtained does not absolve you of the crime that
was committed. The crime that was committed was the filing
of the fake paperwork in order to get the money.
You paying the money back does not now wipe the
slate clean. That's not how law works. All right, let
me go over to the phones. Now we got David. Hello, David,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 6: Hey, love you show.
Speaker 1: Thanks sir.
Speaker 6: Hey, Look, if this was a Republican this would be
all over the news.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well it would be national news. I suspect,
oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 6: But the thing that gets me the most, Pete is
this one party in general, but it's one group inside
the Democratic Party. They think they can get away with
this man.
Speaker 1: No, I think I think anytime you got so this
goes to a thing that Jordan Peterson said, I've quoted
him on this several times, which is unguarded storehouses of
value will become targeted by parasites. And that's what That's
what these institutions, this the government, any institution, if you
don't guard this the resources, it will be attacked. And
that I think is what we are seeing in the
city of Charlotte as an institution, Charlotte School.
Speaker 6: And Downhill bro and it's by Democrats. I just saw
what they did with Tart McCary c and you even
want to go back, let's go to Patrick Cannon. I
went to school with Patrick Cannon. The big thing about
Patrick Cannon him taking bribes. It wasn't so much to bribe.
It goes back to patric Crory's White Rail where Patrick
Cannon's wife was a real estate agent and he was
setting her up to get money when they were buying property.
Speaker 1: Who Canon was. I'm sorry, Cannon was setting his wife up?
What does that mean to get the property?
Speaker 6: He was setting his wife up with the people that
he was being probed with, So his wife, her real
estate agency could buy those properties through the city.
Speaker 1: That would not surprise me, but that was I mean,
everybody knew where the light rail line was going, and
so everybody, I mean, there were a whole bunch of
developers that got in on that, but in real estate
agent everybody knew the plans and that was that was
part of the deal. Was they wanted it for redevelopment too, David.
I appreciate the call, but that would not surprise me
if there was something like that going on. Emily, Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 7: How are you hi, Hi, Pete, I'm so excited to
talk to you.
Speaker 1: Well, welcome, take my call. Sure.
Speaker 7: I wanted to ask a question on this story with
miss Brown. Did you say her big fancy fiftieth birthday
party was in twenty twenty one?
Speaker 1: Yes, it was.
Speaker 7: Would that not be in the middle of the COVID
thing where you're not supposed to have all these big gatherings.
How come the rules don't reply?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, she was a super spreader. Yeah, on
top of it all.
Speaker 7: Don't ever apply, no rules ever apply. Yeah, Democrats, it's
just so well, I can't say.
Speaker 1: It's infuriating. Yeah, it's infuriating. And this is right. This
was the and it was the same thing like, oh
we can burn down cities through our fiery but mostly
peaceful protests.
Speaker 7: During gusts are fine, we can take all this money
is for free or just giving it away?
Speaker 1: The problem, right, this gets to again unguarded stores of
value and parasites attack them. If they're not guarded, they
get attacked. And that's exactly what we're seeing at a
societal level. You know, cities that have built.
Speaker 7: Up understood why people keep electing these types of people.
Speaker 1: Have you met the average voter?
Speaker 7: Yeah, you hear them until I moved to South Carolina.
Speaker 1: Emily, thanks for the call. I appreciate it. Yes, ma'am,
take care. Here's a message. I wonder if people will
sign up to speak at the city council public forum
about this situation in Tijuana. Brown. Wonder if she shows up.
I bet she will, And I wonder if she can
hold back from responding. I bet you can't. I bet
you can't. Yeah, she seems like she she strikes me
as a person who knows better than you. You know
that's and how dare you question me and my lived
experience and all of this. She was also at this
Oh hang on a second before I right, I'll play
the club. She was asked about the timeline. Remember at
the press conference yesterday, she said, would an innocent person
come here and make a statement and answer questions? And
she put that in place as a standard that her
willingness to come and talk equals she is innocent. And
then when she is asked about the timeline, she doesn't answer.
Speaker 8: Can you you mentioned earlier you said when you were
kind of first to me aware of the questions about
the relief money, can you and when you paid it back?
Can you walk us through a little bit of the
timeline or like when you first heard about the concerns
and when you paid it back.
Speaker 4: I just say I was aware of any questions. I
just paid it back. I paid it back. It was
done by a third party. The application was submitted to
BYuT third party. So what I accept responsibility for is
maybe not scrutinize the application the way that should happen.
Speaker 3: This is going to be a trial, so we're not
going to but.
Speaker 4: We're it's definitely going to be a trial.
Speaker 1: But I do want to say this, so he do
you hear that she bigfoots her lawyer. That was her
lawyer saying this is going to be a trial. Like,
we don't need to get into this stuff because he's
trying to protect his client. You don't want to give
the prosecutors more stuff to work with or whatever. But
the question was about the timeline, Like the reporter is
just asking to try to, you know, nail down the
timeline because she said that she was made She said,
when I found out there may have been some scrutiny
in the application. Again, I'm not really sure what that means,
but she is alerted to the fact that people are
asking questions. I don't know who alerted her, whether it
was media, whether it was the investigators at the US
Attorney's office, not sure either way. She is alerted to
this scrutiny and that's when she pays the money back.
And so she said she paid it back a couple
of months ago. So the reporter, quite legitimately and appropriately,
is just trying to nail down the timeline. So when
did you first become aware of these questions and when
did you pay it back? Exactly? And she starts in
on this other line of answering.
Speaker 4: When a person has something to hide, they don't send
out a press release, they don't show up and answer
questions and so I've done this my entire life.
Speaker 1: That's actually false. By the way, I have covered numerous
guilty people who put out statements, they usually deny any wrongdoing. Now,
to her credit, she did not deny any of the allegations.
She just called them serious allegations and then moved on.
She never said I am innocent of these allegations. I
didn't do this thing, she said. Someone else filled out
the paperwork, kid, but you signed it. And there's the
small matter of the schedule C form that was fake,
that was used to create this fabrication of a business
and its gross profits and its expenditures that the IRS
never had a copy of. You never filed it with
the IRS on maybe somebody forgot about it or whatever.
But that was used in order to prove the existence
of the business and that it should be receiving funds
through the PPP.
Speaker 4: Out of the world. Have a national footprint fighting for
women that are needing second chances, third chances, four kids
of fIF chances. What I'm saying to you is, when
I found out there may have been any discrepancy in
the application that was submitted about third party, I paid
it back. That's not in the paperwork that you have,
but I paid it back and it was submitted.
Speaker 2: Defense say, the money was supposed to be used for payroll.
Did you use that money for payroll?
Speaker 3: Again, this is gonna be for trial, So I've asked
her not to answer these questions.
Speaker 1: So literally after she says, when something when someone has
something to hide, they don't put out a press release,
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you Ben. I thought so it was because Pat Cannon
had not gone and fulfilled the term of his sentence.
So there you go. So she did not so okay,
So she did not break any laws by voting in
all of these races, I assume going back years. So
if she was off probation or parole or whatever it was,
that would not be something that was illegal that she did.
Dennis says, are you Tijuana? Brown's voice sounds almost identical
to Jasmine Crocketts. Scott says, what and the h E
double hockey sticks is going on? How did she get
that government job? She was elected to it? Scott? Because
while well, now I was gonna say, while felons can't vote,
they can actually run for office. Convicted felons can run
for office. That might be a loophole we should close.
But then I have a message on the Twitter machine
from Vector, who says, Pete, are we sure there are
real clients overseas that she has? And it's not a
way of deducting just personal expenses as business expenses. That
is a very good question. Maybe an IRS audit is
in order. So I mentioned there was some guy sitting
next to her at this press conference, and they never
identified the guy. Now, he was wearing a hat and
the hat said Mobile Crisis, Mobil Mobile Crisis, and then
underneath it it said Cedric Bean. And somebody did say
the name Cedric at one point, So I think he
is Cedric Bean. Now I don't know if he himself
is the Mobile Crisis, or if he offers some sort
of crisis services or something, but he has known her
for a long time, or if that's a different nonprofit
or something. I don't know what mobile, or maybe it's
out of Alabama and it's Mobile Crisis. I don't know.
They did not identify the guy, but he was sitting
next to her during this press conference, and he then
starts saying stuff. Well, yeah, well you could just hear
it for yourself.
Speaker 2: If I'd say you spent thirty five hundred on a
venue for your birthday party, five thousand and catering, twenty
three hundred for photography, a rented throne, and a horse
drawn carriage, what was that party?
Speaker 3: Same answer on that one where this is not the.
Speaker 1: Not going to answer that either.
Speaker 5: And the reason I came in today is because I've
been very supportive of miss Brown.
Speaker 3: I've paid her.
Speaker 5: Thousands of dollars over the years for working with my company.
So any insinuation that she took some money from a
PPP loan when she had three jobs. She worked for Uber,
she worked for Lyft, she worked for American Airlines. So
to say that this money that was related to this
PPP loan was exclusively used to pay for the stuff
like that, I personally gave her donations for that.
Speaker 1: So you know, now you're not helping dud. You are
not helping the matters.
Speaker 5: So the last thing I want to say is I
come here today to support her because we're talking about
something that happened during the time when everyone was filing
these loans, right, And the only mistate that she made
was she didn't scrutinize it the way that she should
have scrutinized it. And once she became aware, they made
her aware. I'm gonna say that she didn't say it.
Speaker 1: I said so the fact.
Speaker 5: They made her aware that there was some problems, just
like you coming in questioning right now, when she was
questioned about it. She paid it back, no questions asked,
because she accept the responsibility of the fact that she
did not scrutinize the application the way she did. She
didn't fill out the application. So the fact that she
didn't fill out the application and there was some things
that may have been put on that and may not
be correct. She's not saying. I'm saying the reality is
that this was five years before she ever thought about
running for office. Irrelevant today, she staying here as a
person that did more than here Billy Bob could ever done.
That company that didn't get indicted, right, she paid it back.
What justice is to seek to get the money back
the other company they sitting over here and it has
I don't care about the politics and none of that.
Were talking about people lives here doing an attack on
this black woman right here.
Speaker 1: God, who paid it back?
Speaker 5: That's what we want. Right when you go to somebody
and you say, hey, this right here, money may not
have been obtained the correct way, right, we need you
to pay this back. Right, everybody has the opportunity. Urs
has a way to pay that back on their website.
Speaker 1: Right, So you pay it back.
Speaker 5: Now, tell me one person who have paid it back,
they got indicted. Other than till you want to brand,
you won't find it.
Speaker 1: Now, that's actually not true. They've they've indicted lots of people,
lots of businesses over the since the pandemic for this
kind of fraud.
Speaker 5: Because the fact that the matter is, there are people
who have strategically planned to do this. Did they tell
the grand jury that she paid it back? We don't know,
but they show didn't tell you. It showed not in
this indictment right here that she paid it back. When
you say that, that's something that was in important for
the public to knowe. So we're gonna let the public
be the judge.
Speaker 1: It is okay, then you guys should answer all of
our questions if you're gonna let us be the judge.
Here's from the indictment. Tijuana Brown and her daughter Tejima
Brown submitted and caused to be submitted a fake twenty
nineteen IRS Schedule C form for the purported business. The
fake schedule see form was in the name of Tijuana
Brown under the business name TC Collection. The form falsely
stated that TC Collection earned one hundred and six thousand
dollars in gross receipts and only had ten thousand dollars
in expenses, resulting in ninety six thousand dollars in net
profits in twenty nineteen. This form was fake as it
was never filed with the IRS. This fake twenty nineteen
schedule see form was identical to the twenty nineteen schedule
see forms submitted for PPP loans eight seven oh three
and eight A ZHO four under the business names given
looks by Jemma as well as Antoinette Rouse. Those are
her daughters. So they used the same fake form in
these three loans, and they stated that they would use
the loan funding to pay payroll costs, and they certified
this under penalty of perjury, that the information was true
and correct. As a result, Lender one wired twenty thousand
and eight thirty three to Tijuana Brown to an account
for a nonprofit business checking account in the name of
a nonprofit entity named Beauty after the Bars and Tiawanna Brown.
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back to this indictment. Between April twenty twenty and September
twenty twenty one, defendants submitted at least three additional applications
to the Small Business Administration in an unlawful attempt to
fraudulently obtain program funds, and these applications contained misstatements similar
to the ones in the other applications, like the Schedule seaform.
Defendants spent the vast majority of the funds on personal expenses,
including purchases of Louis Vuton merchandise. Approximately one month after
receiving twenty thousand and eight thirty three in PPP loan proceeds,
Tijuana Brown made approximately fifteen thousand dollars in personal expenditures
on a birthday party for herself using the Beauty After
the Bar's nonprofit bank account. That's why they're connected. TC
Connection was used as the business to apply for the loans.
The money went into this nonprofit bank account Beauty after
the Bars, and then that fund was tapped for the
birthday party. And that's not what the funds were supposed
to be used for. I don't even think they should
have gone to that bank account. What is TC Connection either.
Here's another question she wouldn't answer at the press conference.
Speaker 2: I'd say that you certified the application now under perjury,
So why are you saying that a third party submitted
the application?
Speaker 1: Said question? As innocent people don't When did you pay
it back?
Speaker 4: It was paid back a few months ago, A.
Speaker 2: Few months ago, Okay, after you became aware of the investigation, correct.
Speaker 4: But it's clear that no one told me to pay.
Speaker 1: A back though it's not actually no, it's not actually clear.
Speaker 2: Why did you originally seek the funding?
Speaker 4: I had a business to seek the funding. Yeah, I
was starting a new business.
Speaker 5: Let's swim.
Speaker 3: Let's not get into too much to give our entire
playbook to the other side here.
Speaker 1: Why do you think the lawyer jumped in there because
you filed it for a business TC connection, but the
funds went to beauty after the bar's nonprofit and then
you spent the money from that account on your birthday party.
Follow the money folks were.
Speaker 3: Getting ready for trial. What's the timeline?
Speaker 4: Do you know what happens next in terms of the trial?
Speaker 3: Not yet, that'll that'll be a schedule that'll be set.
The indictments just released this morning, so they'll be an
initial appearance and we'll be pleaded not guilty of the
initial appearance.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, initial appearance tomorrow. Yes, I would ask to the
US attorney, and I'm making this request on the ad
for the community, give him miss Brown the same consideration
that was given to these NB. Yeah, he'll been to
barbecue like she has a right to equal justice and
until fourteenth for meny right.
Speaker 1: So okay, I'm gonna stop it right there because he's
going to try to say that these are equivalent cases.
Here's the thing. All cases are different. They are all
these cases are different. They involve different fact patterns and such.
But here's the story from the Gaston Gazette from April fourteenth.
The owner of a popular Gaston County restaurant has agreed
to pay more than one point five million dollars to
resolve allegations of fraudulently taking and using pandemic relief funds.
Bobby Gerald Duncan and Dee and E Foods, doing business
as Hillbillies Barbecue and Steaks, have agreed to pay one
point five to three million to resolve allegations that they
violated the False Claims Act by knowingly obtaining seven hundred
and sixty two thousand dollars in pandemic relief funds and
then misusing them for Duncan's own personal gain. The United
States Civil complaint alleges that Duncan, through his restaurant, Hillbilly's
Barbecue in Luell, obtained the relief funds through the Economic
Injury Disaster Loan as well as two PPP loans. Rather
than using the funds for authorized purposes, including for payroll
and other business related expenses, Duncan misappropriated the funds for
his own benefits, specifically to purchase a separate FedEx business
with his longtime friend. The funds were meant to provide
a financial lifeline to small businesses struggling to stay afloat
during the unprecedented COVID crisis. Where those this, according to
the US Attorney Russ Ferguson, where those funds were misused,
we will pursue their return as part of our ongoing
effort to curb waste, fraud, and abuse of taxpayer funds.
It appears to me that the that the money that
was used here was used to purchase new businesses, So
it's not like they were using it for a horse
drawn carriage for a birthday party. Maybe that's some sort
of material difference. I don't know, because if it was
meant to, you know, support businesses or something, again, I
haven't read through that court case. But then pointing to
this other case and saying, well, see this one case,
we should get that same treatment. But I don't know
all of the facts of that case. That's also that's
also just one case. Where are all the other cases?
Are there other cases where people went to jail? Why?
As a matter of fact, today a fifty three year
old Moresville man was sentenced to nearly four years in
prison for running a six million dollar investment fraud scheme
and fraudulently obtaining two and a half million in COVID
relief funds. The money that was both the business is
rather that he used Stephen and Deloro. We're both real
and fake. So he's running this ponzi scheme and then
he's also drawing in this money from COVID relief funds,
and so they nail him on all of that. So
here's a guy who did the same thing with the
COVID relief funds and he got four years in prison
and he has to pay back millions of dollars in restitution.
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I want to play. So there was another attempt to
get her to explain what she wanted the money for,
specifically at this news conference.
Speaker 2: Why did you apply for the pandemic relief money?
Speaker 4: In a pandemic. Yes, in a pandemic.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's my answer.
Speaker 4: I don't have anything else to say. We know what
we went through in COVID. We know what everybody in
this room went doing COVID. We know what the world
went through in COVID.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the question is about what you needed the
money for. Because if you needed it for payroll but
you didn't have any employees, that's a problem.
Speaker 5: And it was a time when she was she was
she was working for Uber, she was working for Lift,
she was working for American Airllives.
Speaker 1: She was trying.
Speaker 5: To take care of her family. She she I mean,
look at all the different jobs that she's doing right
to try to make ends meet. And addition to that,
she's trying to run a nonprofit organization.
Speaker 1: And she tried to start a new company.
Speaker 5: So with all of these responsibilities that's going up and
you in a pandemic trying to make all this it's
common sense. I get it. You gotta ask the questions, right,
But at the end of the day, please ask the
question to the US attorney why that company, He'll Billy
Barbecue was allowed when they didn't pay it back, was
allowed to go to civil court instead of criminal court.
Why would they a white company that's allowed to go
to Silver Court, and why miss Brown is here today
when their amount was way over the mount. I think
that's a fair question, and the media, in fairness should
ask the US Attorney's office, would you say that this
is not a political case, because clearly he'll Billy Barbecue
over here was given a chance to go to civil
court and they didn't even.
Speaker 6: Pay it back.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you can hear where they're trying to apply
the pressure in the court of public opinion.
Speaker 6: There.
Speaker 1: We'll see if it works. Pat McCrory was on earlier
in the show, and I think he's exactly right. There
needs to be a unified message calling for her to resign,
and it has to come from the Mecklamer County Democrat Party.
It has to come from the state Democrat Party, and
it has to come from the Charlotte Chamber of Commerce,
like the big time movers and shakers black political caucus.
They need to call for her to resign. Okay, when
you get up there as the city council and you
do a press conference because one of your members, Victoria Watlington,
sent out an email fundraiser accusing the city and the
council of an ethical and corrupt behavior, maybe illegal behavior,
and you call a news conference to attack her and say,
we are not corrupt, breaking news, we are not corrupt.
We run a good government, clean shop here. We're not corrupt.
We're not corrupt. You know what sends a message that
you're corrupt? An indicted city council member, That's what sends
a message that you are corrupt. Stan says, I worked
for a nonprofit for ti twenty seven years, including time
as an executive director. Nonprofits must be audited annually. I
would love to see the audits of Beauty after the Bars.
Spending money from the nonprofit on a birthday party is
misappropriation of funds. Yeah, so there may be more layers
to this. And just to address this guy, I think
his name is Cedric Dean. I'm not sure, but I
think that's who he is. He had the name on
his ball cap, so I assume that's who he is.
This is why I get kind of ticked off about
these stories, particularly when I lost my job. It was
January of twenty twenty. I was up in Ashville and
I didn't get access to PPP loans or EIDL loans.
I didn't get any of that. I launched my own company,
my own podcast, and but for the listeners who came
out of their own pockets to support me directly through
the crowdsourcing platform Patreon, I would not have had money
to pay rent or buy food. I am well aware
of the situation that covid created, because within three weeks
or so after I lost my job, everything started locking down.
That's pretty It's a really tough environment to get advertising
because that's usually the first thing that goes in a
budget for a business. So I am well aware of it.
And yes I take a little bit more personal offense
and insult to people that abused that system, that privilege,
but that's just me, all right. That'll do it for
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