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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to kf

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<v Speaker 1>I AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Tuesday, April eighth. For those of you who

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<v Speaker 2>are listening.

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<v Speaker 3>At the end of the show yesterday I caught this.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it's a big thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>You're welcome. I didn't worry your.

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<v Speaker 1>Your voice is very gravelly today. Do you have allergies?

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<v Speaker 3>Mine is yeah, really no, no, don't you know have allergies?

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<v Speaker 1>You want to disclose a lot of people have allergies

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<v Speaker 1>this time of year, so.

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<v Speaker 2>You're excusing me of having allergies.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think it's one of those things you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to admit to, and partly.

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<v Speaker 3>Weak people have allergies exactly, all right, So the White

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<v Speaker 3>House is now saying as many as seventy countries want

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<v Speaker 3>to negotiate trade tariffs.

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<v Speaker 2>This was the plan. This was Trump's plan all along.

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<v Speaker 3>There have been some other discussions from other economic advisors

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<v Speaker 3>of his that have kind of muddled the waters as

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<v Speaker 3>to exactly what with the plan was.

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<v Speaker 4>But here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Not China, and much like the global warming issue, if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't get China and India to sign up for

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<v Speaker 1>your global climate change initiatives. Your piss c you're purinating

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<v Speaker 1>into the ocean. It means nothing, It means nothing. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got to get China to come to the table. That's

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<v Speaker 1>where we get our stuff. They take our stuff. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>knows this. That is the primary Who cares if Lithuania

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<v Speaker 1>comes to the bargaining table?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>That is the primary thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And the secondary, as we mentioned yesterday, was the concern

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<v Speaker 3>that China is going to then sort of reformulate where

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<v Speaker 3>they give who they trade with, who becomes sort of

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<v Speaker 3>their major trading partners. We've talked also about I've said

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<v Speaker 3>it a couple of times. There are differ different stories

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<v Speaker 3>out there about exactly what the policies are supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Peter Navarro, of course, is a White House senior counselor.

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<v Speaker 3>He says this is not about negotiation. He said, this

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<v Speaker 3>is a national emergency based on a trade deficit that's

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<v Speaker 3>gotten out of control because of cheating. Then Kevin Hassett,

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<v Speaker 3>a guy we mentioned yesterday, he says these are a

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<v Speaker 3>temporary tactic for leverage in negotiations, so he believes they

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<v Speaker 3>are negotiation. Mike Lee Senator Mike Lee, not part of

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<v Speaker 3>the administration, but obviously a big supporter of these. He said,

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<v Speaker 3>there will be zero trade barriers. The goal is to

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<v Speaker 3>eliminate trade barriers, not just negotiate. Scott Bessant, he is

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<v Speaker 3>your Secretary of the Treasury. He said that this will

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<v Speaker 3>create new, long lasting supply of revenue for the government

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<v Speaker 3>because remember, supposedly we'd be bringing in six hundred billion

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<v Speaker 3>dollars a year on the tara. Sorry, the tariffs are

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<v Speaker 3>tariffs that we would be charging. But if we negotiate

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<v Speaker 3>all that down, that money is gone. And then Howard Lutnik,

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<v Speaker 3>Secretary of Commerce, says this whole thing as a national

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<v Speaker 3>security tool. He says, this is a national security issue.

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<v Speaker 3>He points out the fact that we don't make enough

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<v Speaker 3>medicine in this country anymore. Now, again, those that's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>five different high profile either members of the administration or

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<v Speaker 3>supporters of the tariff policies that have been put in place,

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<v Speaker 3>and none of them have the same message. They're all

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<v Speaker 3>talking about different things. Now that's not to say that

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<v Speaker 3>they're mutually exclusive. They can all be somewhat correct. It's

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<v Speaker 3>that one of the major issues with the way the

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<v Speaker 3>White House has done. This is they have not set

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<v Speaker 3>the message clearly. They have not set the intention and

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<v Speaker 3>sold it to the American people very clearly.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean, well, I mean I thought the

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<v Speaker 1>intention was to get everyone to the table, so America

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<v Speaker 1>starts getting fed over.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, which is which is what Kevin Hasset said it is.

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<v Speaker 3>But Peter Navarro, one of the other advisors that's in

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<v Speaker 3>all of this, has said that negotiation is not the policy,

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<v Speaker 3>that's not why we're doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. He may be saying that as again the negotiations.

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<v Speaker 1>Buddy, Well, it's all about what time do they say this,

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<v Speaker 1>because if he said that before people started coming to

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<v Speaker 1>the table, it's saving your ass because people are not

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<v Speaker 1>coming to the table right. There are a number of people, Republicans,

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<v Speaker 1>cracks in the system where people are raising their hand

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<v Speaker 1>and saying enough is enough, Elon Musk being one of them.

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<v Speaker 4>And they'll get into that.

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<v Speaker 1>There were private conversations right this weekend and after that

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<v Speaker 1>as well. But whether it's whether it's the rumor that

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<v Speaker 1>Trump may be pausing these tariffs or the rumor that

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<v Speaker 1>seventy countries have come to the negotiating table, Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter as long as a big one like

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<v Speaker 1>China is not. In fact, China's moving the other way,

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<v Speaker 1>which is troubling. But when you look at Wall Street,

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<v Speaker 1>they're seeing the cracks in this as well.

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<v Speaker 4>There is some relief.

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<v Speaker 1>Stocks bouncing to recover a little bit today, S and

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<v Speaker 1>p UP S and P five hundred up three point

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<v Speaker 1>seven percent in morning trading. The bounce, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>was global as well. Stock indexes were up in Tokyo, Paris, Shanghai,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's good. Crude oil bouncing back a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>as well. The big question remains how long will this

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<v Speaker 1>tariff nightmare end? How long will Trump stay in firm

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<v Speaker 1>with this. Is it enough for other countries that are

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<v Speaker 1>not China to come to the table.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to have to wait and see.

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<v Speaker 3>And in terms of the ranking of each of these countries,

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<v Speaker 3>will it take some of those mid level countries to capitulate.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess to what we're demanding that China finally does

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<v Speaker 3>get the sense of, well, if.

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<v Speaker 1>China doesn't care, China does not care about these other countries.

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<v Speaker 3>But if they if we impose restrictions on for example,

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<v Speaker 3>we're not going to trade with Vietnam. If Vietnam continues

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<v Speaker 3>to trade with China or some policy.

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<v Speaker 2>Along those lines.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know how it works and when

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<v Speaker 3>you get into secondary trading partners like that, but that's

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<v Speaker 3>something that this president has already talked about. You do

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<v Speaker 3>business with those guys Tara free, You're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>be Tara free when you do business with us.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, this is when everyone gets on the phone to

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<v Speaker 4>their friends.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why you saw Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House

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<v Speaker 1>breaking bread in the Oval office with Donald Trump yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>China's doing the same thing with their friends, be a

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<v Speaker 1>Vietnam or anybody else.

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<v Speaker 4>So we'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>But as long as I mean, and I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to get into what China has had to say in

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<v Speaker 1>the past twenty four hours since we last talked about it,

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<v Speaker 1>because that is I think that's what you're playing for here,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why you're hearing the President say it with

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<v Speaker 1>even more emphasis China.

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<v Speaker 4>He's pissed. He is pissed, and it shows.

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<v Speaker 3>That story about I mentioned Peter Navarro, one of the advisors,

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<v Speaker 3>and Elon muskoing after each other is interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>It's good.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a good story, and I don't know if the

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<v Speaker 3>president likes it, he's got two people that are fighting

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<v Speaker 3>for he loves it.

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<v Speaker 4>He loves it.

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<v Speaker 1>But if he doesn't have Musk on this tariff train,

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna be that's going to be a relationship issue.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll talk about that.

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<v Speaker 3>This discussion between Elon Musk and Peter Navar about them gators,

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<v Speaker 3>that's fine, good on them.

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<v Speaker 2>I watch any of that.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I didn't watch any of it. It's not football season.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just not fair.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, it's beginning to show. It's beginning

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<v Speaker 1>to show that it's not football season in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>How I need? You're taking care of yourself? Excuse me?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean she's you know, she's got some time, she's running,

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<v Speaker 3>she's working out.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, that was so accurate. Well, all right,

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<v Speaker 4>Gary and Channa will reading.

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<v Speaker 5>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 5>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 1>I just got a text from one of my best

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<v Speaker 1>friends group text here and she says, my CR what

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<v Speaker 1>does that mean, chief Chief recruitment recruitment officer. My CRO

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<v Speaker 1>makes us share a personal and professional best in our

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<v Speaker 1>bi weekly meetings. She went on to say, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>kill myself or anyone else, it is my personal best.

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<v Speaker 4>But I don't think they'll laugh back please say that.

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<v Speaker 1>But it got me thinking, could you imagine if we

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<v Speaker 1>had a meeting bi weekly meetings?

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<v Speaker 4>What does that mean? Twice a week? If we had

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<v Speaker 4>a meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>Weeks, is that bi weekly?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, right, yes, we don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell we don't have we sit here and do we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about balls and freaking animals that are not extinct anymore?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, uh so I got me thinking, if we

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<v Speaker 1>had a even if we had a meeting every other

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<v Speaker 1>week where somebody who was in power over us said

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<v Speaker 1>to us, Okay, what's your personal and profession best this week?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't come to work for that.

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<v Speaker 4>See you're already throwing the tantrum.

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<v Speaker 2>I am throwing the tantrum. I do not come to

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<v Speaker 2>work for that.

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<v Speaker 3>I enjoy the people that I work with, And if

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<v Speaker 3>there are times when I feel like I need to

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<v Speaker 3>share personal achievements.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the thing. Like I don't want to share my

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<v Speaker 4>personal best.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to I want to make my widgets, like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 4>Share that with people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my personal best, Like I don't you want to

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<v Speaker 1>make your widgets. I'm sorry I glossed over that. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that your Is that your personal best?

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<v Speaker 4>This week? You've made some some widgets.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, I'm You're here to me to make. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to make the best widgets.

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<v Speaker 4>I understand.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to make totally.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even want to think about my personal best.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here for widgets. I don't care what Jeff in

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<v Speaker 1>accounting did with.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, when Petros and money do that, how is

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<v Speaker 1>your weekend thing? I turn off the station. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care what their weekends were. Like you think I care

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<v Speaker 1>about Matt surfing. I care about Petros at yoga. I

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<v Speaker 1>care about what Ronnie did with his kids. Yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to it every time. That was a lie

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<v Speaker 1>when I said I turned it off. But in theory,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care. But could you imagine the pressure, like

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<v Speaker 1>if I went to a meeting like suddenly, Okay, I've

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<v Speaker 1>never been the Sunday Scaries anxiety person, but if I

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<v Speaker 1>had to come to work and share a personal and

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<v Speaker 1>professional best every other week, it would be like being

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<v Speaker 1>nine and going to confession all over again.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be like you'd come up with something for

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<v Speaker 1>the priest, Like I talked back to my mom just

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<v Speaker 3>It's one thing if you if you work with good

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm like what, And like somebody next to me

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<v Speaker 1>Manufactured intimacy or manufactured team workers.

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<v Speaker 2>We all find something positive? Shall we just find something?

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<v Speaker 4>I still want to talk about China?

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<v Speaker 2>We will. We'll talk about China a second.

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<v Speaker 3>There is an update from the Supreme Court that just

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<v Speaker 3>another victory to the Trump administration, stopping a federal judge

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<v Speaker 3>that required several federal agencies reinstate about sixteen thousand workers

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<v Speaker 3>that the Trump administration's trying to fire. The decision to

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently this was a seven to two decision. The only.

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<v Speaker 2>This was an unsigned decision.

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<v Speaker 3>So Sonya sotomayor Ka Tanji Brown Jackson were two who

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a fun exercise to go through reading the news

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<v Speaker 1>Just to see how they exactly just keep an open mind.

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<v Speaker 4>Reading the news every morning is all I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, the Elon Musk this direct appeals to Trump

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<v Speaker 3>to reverse the tariffs, his fight with Peter Navarro, and

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<v Speaker 3>why China is the number one target in all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you think you think Trump is standing his ground

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<v Speaker 1>Jinping because he's carbon copy, carbon copy.

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<v Speaker 4>These two are not going to back down.

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<v Speaker 5>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 3>Garyan Shannon KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on the

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<v Speaker 3>iHeartRadio app. One of the big developments that we saw

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<v Speaker 3>from yesterday was President Trump made the announcement that the

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<v Speaker 3>United States in Iran are going to have some sort

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<v Speaker 3>of nuclear talks. President Trump said the meetings that begin

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<v Speaker 3>on Saturday would involve direct negotiations between high level US

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<v Speaker 3>be indirect talks taking place in Oman.

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<v Speaker 4>Just devastation and the Dominican Republic.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty seven people killed right now, but the rescue effort continues.

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<v Speaker 1>About it, but a roof collapsed at a big deal nightclub.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a place politicians and athletes, everyone goes. It's

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<v Speaker 1>Set Nightclub in Santa Domingo. And nearly twelve hours after

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<v Speaker 1>that club collapse down on to the people. Rescue crews

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<v Speaker 1>are still pulling out survivors, but you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>hear from the scene, but it was It's just a

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<v Speaker 1>sheer tragedy. The governor of the area and the sister

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<v Speaker 1>of seven time Major League Baseball All Star Nelson Cruz,

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<v Speaker 4>Nelsi Cruz.

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<v Speaker 3>Octavio d'hotel, a former pitcher for the Cardinals, was also

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<v Speaker 3>said to be trapped in there. But was still alive,

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<v Speaker 3>so there may be some other recognizable names as that continues. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>we're talking about the continuing aftermath from the trade tariffs

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<v Speaker 3>that have been imposed by the United States. We saw good,

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<v Speaker 3>significant rebound in stock prices around the world. Actually, the

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<v Speaker 3>Dow is up about five hundred points right now, SMP

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<v Speaker 3>five hundred, Nasdaq also up. Gold has rebounded quite a bit,

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<v Speaker 3>very close to the president who disagree with the way

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<v Speaker 3>things are going. In fact, the Washington Post today says

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<v Speaker 3>that Elon Musk has asked specifically President Trump to reverse

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<v Speaker 3>these trade tariffs. Now, he clearly this is not his

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<v Speaker 3>lane in that that's not why he was brought on

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<v Speaker 3>as an advisor. His advisory role for the president, at

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<v Speaker 3>least in this administration so far has been to head

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<v Speaker 3>up DOGE and to go after waste, fraud and abuse

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<v Speaker 3>that they find within the federal government.

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<v Speaker 1>But you cannot separate the businessman from the move fast

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<v Speaker 1>and break things guy.

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<v Speaker 3>He's clearly got an opinion on something like this now.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's going out. He has gone after specifically Peter Navarro,

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<v Speaker 3>the trade advisor to President Trump, because Peter Navarro, among

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<v Speaker 3>other things, was held up as a as an expert

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<v Speaker 3>on all of this. He has a degree from Harvard,

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<v Speaker 3>although Elon Musk said the degree from Harvard is not

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<v Speaker 3>a good thing, it's a bad thing. So then Peter

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<v Speaker 3>Navarro goes on CNBC yesterday and kind of pushes back

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<v Speaker 3>against Elon Musk and says, well, he doesn't really know

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<v Speaker 7>Have you spoken to him, No, but we'll speak. I'll

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<v Speaker 7>probably see him today in the OVA. It's no big deal.

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<v Speaker 7>Here's the thing. It's like, Look, Elon Musk and his

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<v Speaker 7>Doge team is making a contribution to America in terms

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<v Speaker 7>of waste, fraud, and abuse, and that's a very good

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<v Speaker 7>thing for this country and the American people. But he's

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<v Speaker 7>not a car manufacturer. He's a car assembler. In many cases,

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<v Speaker 7>if you go to his Texas plan, A good part

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<v Speaker 7>of the engines that that he gets, which in the

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<v Speaker 1>He's right, and that's the thing people like Elon Musk. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they make things here, they send them to places like

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<v Speaker 5>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>But and then Elon Musk goes on to say, after

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<v Speaker 1>that CNBC appearance by Navarro, Navarro is truly a moron,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Navarro does not is running a foul a

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<v Speaker 1>a manufacturer. Very different things. And there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>They do not.

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<v Speaker 1>They put the stuff together in America, which is great,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're still sending it out to the other countries.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not the definition of from one hundred years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>But go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>The twenty five percent tariff auto tariff that went into

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<v Speaker 3>effect at the beginning of the month is part of

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<v Speaker 3>since the tariffs were announced last week. Because even if

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I want to get into China because shi

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<v Speaker 1>Jinping has a lot to lose if he capitulates to Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not going to happen. He just it cannot

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<v Speaker 1>happen for him. So where does that leave us? It

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<v Speaker 1>leaves us with probably the inevitable massive trade war between

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<v Speaker 1>US and China. And it started with TikTok last week. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>massive global trade war may have started with TikTok. Interesting,

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<v Speaker 8>Hey, this is Ray from Recida. Hey. I retired twenty

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<v Speaker 8>him that I didn't do that. He wanted me to,

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<v Speaker 2>So have a nice day.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, what not saying we'll take your personal and your

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<v Speaker 1>and your professional best. Yes today, We'll do it bi weekly.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to share, you're listening.

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<v Speaker 5>To Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Got to get to this now because it's just too

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<v Speaker 1>good to sit on in terms of China and Chi

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<v Speaker 1>Jinping and how he will not back down. Probably it's

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<v Speaker 1>swamp Watch, because that's going to be a story that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to continue for a while, US versus China when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to this, it may end up only coming

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<v Speaker 1>to this.

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<v Speaker 4>But Elon Musk in.

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<v Speaker 1>His fight with Peter Navarro, who is Trump's trade advisor,

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<v Speaker 1>it got heated over the weekend, like we were talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>with Musk going on X talking about, you know, Navarro

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<v Speaker 1>being an idiot, a moron, I guess was his word.

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<v Speaker 1>Navarro calling Musk a car assembler, which he's right about

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit But there was also this assertion by

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk that Peter Navarro uses a fake economic expert

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<v Speaker 1>expert in his books. Yeah, an expert he invented by

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<v Speaker 1>the name of ron Vera.

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<v Speaker 3>In one of his tweets, Elon Musk said, Tesla's the

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<v Speaker 3>most vertically integrated auto manufactured America with the highest percentage

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<v Speaker 3>of US content. Navarro should ask the fake expert he invented,

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<v Speaker 3>Ron Vara.

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<v Speaker 4>So here is the backstory on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I read that this morning, I meant to do

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<v Speaker 1>a deep dive and I did not, and I just did.

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<v Speaker 4>So here's the deal.

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<v Speaker 1>When did Peter Navarro enter the group chat with Trump

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<v Speaker 1>while he started working with Trump after Jared Kushner stumbled

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<v Speaker 1>upon Navarro's book It's called Death by China, And it

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<v Speaker 1>was Kushner. Remember, Kushner was like the second coming in

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<v Speaker 1>the first go round of Trump, like Trump had. Trump

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<v Speaker 1>had Kushner as like his top advisor pretty much. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he was listening to everything. This kid was saying, where's

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<v Speaker 1>Jared Kushner bent lately?

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<v Speaker 2>He's just making money and raising.

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<v Speaker 1>Fascinating right that he was like this second in command

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<v Speaker 1>almost It felt like and Ivanka have both steat back right,

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<v Speaker 1>so fascinating. But anyway, so it was Kushner that said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you should work with this guy. He was the one

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<v Speaker 1>who reached out in twenty sixteen to Navarro to serve

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<v Speaker 1>as Trump's economic advisor during the campaign after reading Death

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<v Speaker 1>by China. Apparently in this book Death by China, Navarro

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<v Speaker 1>frequently references the work of this guy ron Vara, so

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<v Speaker 1>called economics expert. It wasn't just in his book Death

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<v Speaker 1>by China, but a number of his books. After Trump

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<v Speaker 1>was elected as president, this guy ron Vara circulated a

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<v Speaker 1>memo in Washington, DC. He wrote a memo that made

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<v Speaker 1>the rounds that Trump could ride the.

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<v Speaker 4>Tariffs to victory.

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out he is a made up person that

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Navarro invented ron Vera as his expert source, one

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<v Speaker 1>that he quoted over and over again. It's an anagram

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<v Speaker 1>of his last name, right, ron Vera Navarro. He has

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<v Speaker 1>admitted it. By the way, ron Navarro has he says

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<v Speaker 1>that it was what was the word he used, a

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<v Speaker 1>whimsical device. He acknowledged the fabrication, calling it a whimsical device.

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<v Speaker 1>This all came out in twenty nineteen when everyone did

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<v Speaker 1>the research and connected the dots and found out that

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<v Speaker 1>this guy did not exist. Here's one of the quotes

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<v Speaker 1>that's attributed to the fictional Ron Navara or Ron Vara

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<v Speaker 1>and Death by China. This is when he's issuing ominous

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<v Speaker 1>warnings on imports from China in this book. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the quote, only the Chinese can turn a leather sofa

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<v Speaker 1>into an acid bath, a baby crib into a lethal weapon,

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<v Speaker 1>and a cell phone battery into heart piercing shrapnel. So

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like Ron Navarro had these colorful quotations he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to use, but a tribute to someone else as

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<v Speaker 1>color in his straight laced econ on.

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<v Speaker 3>Book, so that they could cover for it, so that

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<v Speaker 3>the person would cover for me.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, it's just a fun device.

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<v Speaker 1>The co author admitted that Peter Navarro created the character,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Navarro said, in a cover of his own

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<v Speaker 1>ass move, it's refreshing that somebody finally figured out an

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<v Speaker 1>inside joke that's been hiding in plain sight for years.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, come on.

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<v Speaker 1>The book publisher, by the way, is put a disclaimer

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<v Speaker 1>on all of Ron Navarro's books that say, hey, ps,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy uses fake freaking experts.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so you can't do that, right, Well, in what

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<v Speaker 3>world does your PhD from Harvard give you the uh

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<v Speaker 3>give you the ability to do something like that?

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<v Speaker 2>How would you possibly even try to pass that all?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, your PhD from Harvard should mean you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to create a fake character, right. You are the expert,

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<v Speaker 1>the expert write the book, be the quote, be the

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<v Speaker 1>person the quotes come from.

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<v Speaker 3>And if, like you said, you want to say things

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<v Speaker 3>like only the Chinese internal other.

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<v Speaker 2>Sofa into an ass SA, say it.

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<v Speaker 4>Say them.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you're not be a little b You're not going

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to get away from that.

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<v Speaker 1>My gosh, that is so spineless and slimy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, these guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Are going to go after each other quite a bit,

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<v Speaker 3>I hope, over the next couple of days, because it's entertaining.

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<v Speaker 2>It's entertaining for the rest of us, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, except for the whole you know, global trade

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<v Speaker 1>war between the United States and China.

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<v Speaker 3>Secondary, I'd rather these guys go after each other like

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of little princesses. Up next the the horrific,

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<v Speaker 3>heartbreaking story of this soccer coach who's now been charged

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<v Speaker 3>with the murder of a young boy. This is after

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<v Speaker 3>after allegations of sexually abusing another teenager.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about all that when we come back to

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<v Speaker 2>Gary and Channon. You've been listening to The Gary and

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon Show.

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<v Speaker 3>You can always hear us live on KFI AM six

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