Speaker 1: This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to kf
Speaker 1: I AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on
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Speaker 2: Welcome to Tuesday, April eighth. For those of you who
Speaker 2: are listening.
Speaker 3: At the end of the show yesterday I caught this.
Speaker 1: Oh it's a big thank you so much.
Speaker 2: You're welcome. I didn't worry your.
Speaker 1: Your voice is very gravelly today. Do you have allergies?
Speaker 3: Mine is yeah, really no, no, don't you know have allergies?
Speaker 1: You want to disclose a lot of people have allergies
Speaker 1: this time of year, so.
Speaker 2: You're excusing me of having allergies.
Speaker 1: I just think it's one of those things you wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to admit to, and partly.
Speaker 3: Weak people have allergies exactly, all right, So the White
Speaker 3: House is now saying as many as seventy countries want
Speaker 3: to negotiate trade tariffs.
Speaker 2: This was the plan. This was Trump's plan all along.
Speaker 3: There have been some other discussions from other economic advisors
Speaker 3: of his that have kind of muddled the waters as
Speaker 3: to exactly what with the plan was.
Speaker 4: But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Not China, and much like the global warming issue, if
Speaker 1: you don't get China and India to sign up for
Speaker 1: your global climate change initiatives. Your piss c you're purinating
Speaker 1: into the ocean. It means nothing, It means nothing. You've
Speaker 1: got to get China to come to the table. That's
Speaker 1: where we get our stuff. They take our stuff. Everyone
Speaker 1: knows this. That is the primary Who cares if Lithuania
Speaker 1: comes to the bargaining table?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: That is the primary thing.
Speaker 3: And the secondary, as we mentioned yesterday, was the concern
Speaker 3: that China is going to then sort of reformulate where
Speaker 3: they give who they trade with, who becomes sort of
Speaker 3: their major trading partners. We've talked also about I've said
Speaker 3: it a couple of times. There are differ different stories
Speaker 3: out there about exactly what the policies are supposed to be.
Speaker 3: Peter Navarro, of course, is a White House senior counselor.
Speaker 3: He says this is not about negotiation. He said, this
Speaker 3: is a national emergency based on a trade deficit that's
Speaker 3: gotten out of control because of cheating. Then Kevin Hassett,
Speaker 3: a guy we mentioned yesterday, he says these are a
Speaker 3: temporary tactic for leverage in negotiations, so he believes they
Speaker 3: are negotiation. Mike Lee Senator Mike Lee, not part of
Speaker 3: the administration, but obviously a big supporter of these. He said,
Speaker 3: there will be zero trade barriers. The goal is to
Speaker 3: eliminate trade barriers, not just negotiate. Scott Bessant, he is
Speaker 3: your Secretary of the Treasury. He said that this will
Speaker 3: create new, long lasting supply of revenue for the government
Speaker 3: because remember, supposedly we'd be bringing in six hundred billion
Speaker 3: dollars a year on the tara. Sorry, the tariffs are
Speaker 3: tariffs that we would be charging. But if we negotiate
Speaker 3: all that down, that money is gone. And then Howard Lutnik,
Speaker 3: Secretary of Commerce, says this whole thing as a national
Speaker 3: security tool. He says, this is a national security issue.
Speaker 3: He points out the fact that we don't make enough
Speaker 3: medicine in this country anymore. Now, again, those that's you know,
Speaker 3: five different high profile either members of the administration or
Speaker 3: supporters of the tariff policies that have been put in place,
Speaker 3: and none of them have the same message. They're all
Speaker 3: talking about different things. Now that's not to say that
Speaker 3: they're mutually exclusive. They can all be somewhat correct. It's
Speaker 3: that one of the major issues with the way the
Speaker 3: White House has done. This is they have not set
Speaker 3: the message clearly. They have not set the intention and
Speaker 3: sold it to the American people very clearly.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, well, I mean I thought the
Speaker 1: intention was to get everyone to the table, so America
Speaker 1: starts getting fed over.
Speaker 3: Right, which is which is what Kevin Hasset said it is.
Speaker 3: But Peter Navarro, one of the other advisors that's in
Speaker 3: all of this, has said that negotiation is not the policy,
Speaker 3: that's not why we're doing it.
Speaker 2: Now. He may be saying that as again the negotiations.
Speaker 1: Buddy, Well, it's all about what time do they say this,
Speaker 1: because if he said that before people started coming to
Speaker 1: the table, it's saving your ass because people are not
Speaker 1: coming to the table right. There are a number of people, Republicans,
Speaker 1: cracks in the system where people are raising their hand
Speaker 1: and saying enough is enough, Elon Musk being one of them.
Speaker 4: And they'll get into that.
Speaker 1: There were private conversations right this weekend and after that
Speaker 1: as well. But whether it's whether it's the rumor that
Speaker 1: Trump may be pausing these tariffs or the rumor that
Speaker 1: seventy countries have come to the negotiating table, Like I said,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter as long as a big one like
Speaker 1: China is not. In fact, China's moving the other way,
Speaker 1: which is troubling. But when you look at Wall Street,
Speaker 1: they're seeing the cracks in this as well.
Speaker 4: There is some relief.
Speaker 1: Stocks bouncing to recover a little bit today, S and
Speaker 1: p UP S and P five hundred up three point
Speaker 1: seven percent in morning trading. The bounce, by the way,
Speaker 1: was global as well. Stock indexes were up in Tokyo, Paris, Shanghai,
Speaker 1: so that's good. Crude oil bouncing back a little bit
Speaker 1: as well. The big question remains how long will this
Speaker 1: tariff nightmare end? How long will Trump stay in firm
Speaker 1: with this. Is it enough for other countries that are
Speaker 1: not China to come to the table.
Speaker 4: We're going to have to wait and see.
Speaker 3: And in terms of the ranking of each of these countries,
Speaker 3: will it take some of those mid level countries to capitulate.
Speaker 3: I guess to what we're demanding that China finally does
Speaker 3: get the sense of, well, if.
Speaker 1: China doesn't care, China does not care about these other countries.
Speaker 3: But if they if we impose restrictions on for example,
Speaker 3: we're not going to trade with Vietnam. If Vietnam continues
Speaker 3: to trade with China or some policy.
Speaker 2: Along those lines.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how it works and when
Speaker 3: you get into secondary trading partners like that, but that's
Speaker 3: something that this president has already talked about. You do
Speaker 3: business with those guys Tara free, You're not going to
Speaker 3: be Tara free when you do business with us.
Speaker 4: Well, this is when everyone gets on the phone to
Speaker 4: their friends.
Speaker 1: That's why you saw Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House
Speaker 1: breaking bread in the Oval office with Donald Trump yesterday.
Speaker 1: China's doing the same thing with their friends, be a
Speaker 1: Vietnam or anybody else.
Speaker 4: So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: But as long as I mean, and I do want
Speaker 1: to get into what China has had to say in
Speaker 1: the past twenty four hours since we last talked about it,
Speaker 1: because that is I think that's what you're playing for here,
Speaker 1: and that's why you're hearing the President say it with
Speaker 1: even more emphasis China.
Speaker 4: He's pissed. He is pissed, and it shows.
Speaker 3: That story about I mentioned Peter Navarro, one of the advisors,
Speaker 3: and Elon muskoing after each other is interesting.
Speaker 4: It's good.
Speaker 3: It's a good story, and I don't know if the
Speaker 3: president likes it, he's got two people that are fighting
Speaker 3: for he loves it.
Speaker 4: He loves it.
Speaker 1: But if he doesn't have Musk on this tariff train,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be that's going to be a relationship issue.
Speaker 2: So we'll talk about that.
Speaker 3: This discussion between Elon Musk and Peter Navar about them gators,
Speaker 3: that's fine, good on them.
Speaker 2: I watch any of that.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't watch any of it. It's not football season.
Speaker 2: It's just not fair.
Speaker 1: And you know what, it's beginning to show. It's beginning
Speaker 1: to show that it's not football season in my life.
Speaker 2: How I need? You're taking care of yourself? Excuse me?
Speaker 3: I mean she's you know, she's got some time, she's running,
Speaker 3: she's working out.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that was so accurate. Well, all right,
Speaker 4: Gary and Channa will reading.
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Speaker 1: I just got a text from one of my best
Speaker 1: friends group text here and she says, my CR what
Speaker 1: does that mean, chief Chief recruitment recruitment officer. My CRO
Speaker 1: makes us share a personal and professional best in our
Speaker 1: bi weekly meetings. She went on to say, I didn't
Speaker 1: kill myself or anyone else, it is my personal best.
Speaker 4: But I don't think they'll laugh back please say that.
Speaker 1: But it got me thinking, could you imagine if we
Speaker 1: had a meeting bi weekly meetings?
Speaker 4: What does that mean? Twice a week? If we had
Speaker 4: a meeting.
Speaker 2: Weeks, is that bi weekly?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay, right, yes, we don't.
Speaker 1: Tell we don't have we sit here and do we
Speaker 1: talk about balls and freaking animals that are not extinct anymore?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Exactly.
Speaker 1: But anyway, uh so I got me thinking, if we
Speaker 1: had a even if we had a meeting every other
Speaker 1: week where somebody who was in power over us said
Speaker 1: to us, Okay, what's your personal and profession best this week?
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't come to work for that.
Speaker 4: See you're already throwing the tantrum.
Speaker 2: I am throwing the tantrum. I do not come to
Speaker 2: work for that.
Speaker 3: I enjoy the people that I work with, And if
Speaker 3: there are times when I feel like I need to
Speaker 3: share personal achievements.
Speaker 4: That's the thing. Like I don't want to share my
Speaker 4: personal best.
Speaker 2: I want to I want to make my widgets, like
Speaker 2: I don't want to.
Speaker 4: Share that with people.
Speaker 1: It's my personal best, Like I don't you want to
Speaker 1: make your widgets. I'm sorry I glossed over that. Is
Speaker 1: that your Is that your personal best?
Speaker 4: This week? You've made some some widgets.
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm You're here to me to make. I
Speaker 2: want to make the best widgets.
Speaker 4: I understand.
Speaker 2: I want to make totally.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to think about my personal best.
Speaker 1: I'm here for widgets. I don't care what Jeff in
Speaker 1: accounting did with.
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 1: In fact, when Petros and money do that, how is
Speaker 1: your weekend thing? I turn off the station. I don't
Speaker 1: care what their weekends were. Like you think I care
Speaker 1: about Matt surfing. I care about Petros at yoga. I
Speaker 1: care about what Ronnie did with his kids. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: I listened to it every time. That was a lie
Speaker 1: when I said I turned it off. But in theory,
Speaker 1: I don't care. But could you imagine the pressure, like
Speaker 1: if I went to a meeting like suddenly, Okay, I've
Speaker 1: never been the Sunday Scaries anxiety person, but if I
Speaker 1: had to come to work and share a personal and
Speaker 1: professional best every other week, it would be like being
Speaker 1: nine and going to confession all over again.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 1: It would be like you'd come up with something for
Speaker 1: the priest, Like I talked back to my mom just
Speaker 1: to have something to say, so I'd say, like, well, Bob,
Speaker 1: my personal best was I made a good Spanish omelet
Speaker 1: for dinner, which I didn't. I undercooked it. It was awful,
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't tell Bob that. But you know, I mean, like, my,
Speaker 1: that's just a wee your thing, right Like, that's a
Speaker 1: very intimate even your professional best is kind of an
Speaker 1: personal intimate thing.
Speaker 4: Right Well, Like if you thought you did a.
Speaker 1: Like yesterday, when you had a really funny joke and
Speaker 1: it was super funny and you thought it was super funny,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't then take a victory lap for it, because
Speaker 1: that would be embarrassing.
Speaker 3: Tell everybody two weeks from now there was this funny time,
Speaker 3: this one thing.
Speaker 4: This one thing I said on Monday, April.
Speaker 2: Sixth, seventh.
Speaker 4: I see, you're already correcting me.
Speaker 3: There was this one time I had to correct Shannon
Speaker 3: because you got to do one time.
Speaker 4: Uh there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It just that sounds awful floors me that that's still
Speaker 3: a thing. There's there's an aspect of it, and I
Speaker 3: hate to sound super old fashioned this way, but there's
Speaker 3: an aspect of it, that is, the manufactured teamwork thing
Speaker 3: is awful.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 3: It's one thing if you if you work with good
Speaker 3: people and you feel like you're a team, a member
Speaker 3: of a team, Yeah, good on you, because that's that's
Speaker 3: You're very, very lucky.
Speaker 4: We don't need to call each other team.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's an excellent point.
Speaker 1: When somebody ends an email or starts an email a team.
Speaker 1: You're not on my team because my team. We don't
Speaker 1: need to we don't need to label ourselves.
Speaker 3: But I think about my grandfather helping dig the aqueduct
Speaker 3: that now powers and.
Speaker 2: Quenches the thirst of something.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if your grandfather was asked for his
Speaker 1: personal and professional best once every other week, unbelievable, He'd
Speaker 1: punch you in the face. He'd say, I've got an
Speaker 1: aqueduct to build, you, dumbass. I was at a pilates
Speaker 1: class and it was a new one, and she says,
Speaker 1: turn to the person on your right, say hello and
Speaker 1: share something with them that you want to do that
Speaker 1: you've never.
Speaker 4: Done, like.
Speaker 1: Joining the circus or something stupid, she said.
Speaker 6: And I'm like what, And like somebody next to me
Speaker 6: was like, I want to go shoot a bow and
Speaker 6: arrow or somebody like it was just the stupidest me.
Speaker 4: You hit the nail on net.
Speaker 1: Manufactured intimacy or manufactured team workers.
Speaker 4: H gross, so awful. Where are we are?
Speaker 2: We all find something positive? Shall we just find something?
Speaker 4: I still want to talk about China?
Speaker 2: We will. We'll talk about China a second.
Speaker 3: There is an update from the Supreme Court that just
Speaker 3: came in today. The court the Supreme Court handed yet
Speaker 3: another victory to the Trump administration, stopping a federal judge
Speaker 3: that required several federal agencies reinstate about sixteen thousand workers
Speaker 3: that the Trump administration's trying to fire. The decision to
Speaker 3: grant the administration's request means these the federal government does
Speaker 3: not have to take any steps to bring back some
Speaker 3: of those workers who were laid off while their litigation
Speaker 3: moves forward before the federal judge that's out here in California.
Speaker 2: Apparently this was a seven to two decision. The only.
Speaker 3: The only two or at least two that actually said
Speaker 3: they dissented.
Speaker 2: This was an unsigned decision.
Speaker 3: So Sonya sotomayor Ka Tanji Brown Jackson were two who
Speaker 3: noted that they dissented.
Speaker 1: Here's a fun exercise to go through reading the news
Speaker 1: every morning. Is the headlines where they say President Trump
Speaker 1: secured a major victory at the Supreme Court, and then
Speaker 1: you go to another publication President Trump at a major
Speaker 1: setback of the Supreme Court.
Speaker 4: It's a fascinating exercise.
Speaker 1: Just to see how they exactly just keep an open mind.
Speaker 4: Reading the news every morning is all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: All right, the Elon Musk this direct appeals to Trump
Speaker 3: to reverse the tariffs, his fight with Peter Navarro, and
Speaker 3: why China is the number one target in all of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think you think Trump is standing his ground
Speaker 1: and he's tough when it comes to China, Meet Chi
Speaker 1: Jinping because he's carbon copy, carbon copy.
Speaker 4: These two are not going to back down.
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Speaker 3: Garyan Shannon KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on the
Speaker 3: iHeartRadio app. One of the big developments that we saw
Speaker 3: from yesterday was President Trump made the announcement that the
Speaker 3: United States in Iran are going to have some sort
Speaker 3: of nuclear talks. President Trump said the meetings that begin
Speaker 3: on Saturday would involve direct negotiations between high level US
Speaker 3: and Iranian officials. Iran's foreign minister, however, says they will
Speaker 3: be indirect talks taking place in Oman.
Speaker 4: Just devastation and the Dominican Republic.
Speaker 1: Twenty seven people killed right now, but the rescue effort continues.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you heard.
Speaker 1: About it, but a roof collapsed at a big deal nightclub.
Speaker 1: This is a place politicians and athletes, everyone goes. It's
Speaker 1: a merangue concert last night and it's called the jet
Speaker 1: Set Nightclub in Santa Domingo. And nearly twelve hours after
Speaker 1: that club collapse down on to the people. Rescue crews
Speaker 1: are still pulling out survivors, but you know, it's a
Speaker 1: race against the clock. But they are going through broken
Speaker 1: concrete and wood. They're using that as planks to lift
Speaker 1: heavy debris. Noise of drills is all you can really
Speaker 1: hear from the scene, but it was It's just a
Speaker 1: sheer tragedy. The governor of the area and the sister
Speaker 1: of seven time Major League Baseball All Star Nelson Cruz,
Speaker 1: was among the victims.
Speaker 4: Nelsi Cruz.
Speaker 3: Octavio d'hotel, a former pitcher for the Cardinals, was also
Speaker 3: said to be trapped in there. But was still alive,
Speaker 3: so there may be some other recognizable names as that continues. Well,
Speaker 3: we're talking about the continuing aftermath from the trade tariffs
Speaker 3: that have been imposed by the United States. We saw good,
Speaker 3: significant rebound in stock prices around the world. Actually, the
Speaker 3: Dow is up about five hundred points right now, SMP
Speaker 3: five hundred, Nasdaq also up. Gold has rebounded quite a bit,
Speaker 3: oil has rebounded off of its lows from yesterday. And
Speaker 3: one of the issues that has cropped up is there
Speaker 3: is some dissension in the ranks. There are some Republicans
Speaker 3: very close to the president who disagree with the way
Speaker 3: things are going. In fact, the Washington Post today says
Speaker 3: that Elon Musk has asked specifically President Trump to reverse
Speaker 3: these trade tariffs. Now, he clearly this is not his
Speaker 3: lane in that that's not why he was brought on
Speaker 3: as an advisor. His advisory role for the president, at
Speaker 3: least in this administration so far has been to head
Speaker 3: up DOGE and to go after waste, fraud and abuse
Speaker 3: that they find within the federal government.
Speaker 1: But you cannot separate the businessman from the move fast
Speaker 1: and break things guy.
Speaker 3: He's clearly got an opinion on something like this now.
Speaker 3: So he's going out. He has gone after specifically Peter Navarro,
Speaker 3: the trade advisor to President Trump, because Peter Navarro, among
Speaker 3: other things, was held up as a as an expert
Speaker 3: on all of this. He has a degree from Harvard,
Speaker 3: although Elon Musk said the degree from Harvard is not
Speaker 3: a good thing, it's a bad thing. So then Peter
Speaker 3: Navarro goes on CNBC yesterday and kind of pushes back
Speaker 3: against Elon Musk and says, well, he doesn't really know
Speaker 3: exactly what he's talking about.
Speaker 7: Have you spoken to him, No, but we'll speak. I'll
Speaker 7: probably see him today in the OVA. It's no big deal.
Speaker 7: Here's the thing. It's like, Look, Elon Musk and his
Speaker 7: Doge team is making a contribution to America in terms
Speaker 7: of waste, fraud, and abuse, and that's a very good
Speaker 7: thing for this country and the American people. But he's
Speaker 7: not a car manufacturer. He's a car assembler. In many cases,
Speaker 7: if you go to his Texas plan, A good part
Speaker 7: of the engines that that he gets, which in the
Speaker 7: EV case is the batteries come from Japan's true and
Speaker 7: come from China. CEOs come from the tires.
Speaker 1: He's right, and that's the thing people like Elon Musk. Yes,
Speaker 1: they make things here, they send them to places like
Speaker 1: China and Japan and Vietnam and there like economically.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 1: But and then Elon Musk goes on to say, after
Speaker 1: that CNBC appearance by Navarro, Navarro is truly a moron,
Speaker 1: dumber than a sack of bricks, and then following up
Speaker 1: by defending Tesla, he said it's the most vertically integrated
Speaker 1: auto manufacturer in America with the highest percentage of US content.
Speaker 1: I mean Navarro does not is running a foul a
Speaker 1: little bit by saying because he's opening up the conversation
Speaker 1: now I'm opening it up because he says he's a
Speaker 1: car assembler, not a manufacturer. Musk like him himself to
Speaker 1: a manufacturer. Very different things. And there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people who do business in America say that they are
Speaker 1: manufacturers and they manufacture in America.
Speaker 2: They do not.
Speaker 1: They put the stuff together in America, which is great,
Speaker 1: but you're still sending it out to the other countries.
Speaker 2: But it's not the definition of from one hundred years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's not pretend it's one hundred percent American made here.
Speaker 4: But go ahead.
Speaker 3: The twenty five percent tariff auto tariff that went into
Speaker 3: effect at the beginning of the month is part of
Speaker 3: the larger trade war, and there was some concern that
Speaker 3: we we sorry that Tesla would take a hit because
Speaker 3: of the global market route. The company stockfel nineteen percent
Speaker 3: since the tariffs were announced last week. Because even if
Speaker 3: to Musk's own assertion, even if the Tesla is the
Speaker 3: highest percentage of US content here in the United States,
Speaker 3: obviously there is still enough foreign parts, pieces and things
Speaker 3: that go into a Tesla that the price would be affected.
Speaker 1: All right, I want to get into China because shi
Speaker 1: Jinping has a lot to lose if he capitulates to Trump,
Speaker 1: and it's not going to happen. He just it cannot
Speaker 1: happen for him. So where does that leave us? It
Speaker 1: leaves us with probably the inevitable massive trade war between
Speaker 1: US and China. And it started with TikTok last week. Yes,
Speaker 1: massive global trade war may have started with TikTok. Interesting,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it when we come back.
Speaker 8: Hey, this is Ray from Recida. Hey. I retired twenty
Speaker 8: twenty two from a job after twenty seven years. In
Speaker 8: the last five years of that job, my weekly personal
Speaker 8: bestmok I digging out a few I quit really upset
Speaker 8: him that I didn't do that. He wanted me to,
Speaker 8: but I didn't.
Speaker 2: So have a nice day.
Speaker 1: Hey, what not saying we'll take your personal and your
Speaker 1: and your professional best. Yes today, We'll do it bi weekly.
Speaker 1: If you want to share, you're listening.
Speaker 5: To Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1: Got to get to this now because it's just too
Speaker 1: good to sit on in terms of China and Chi
Speaker 1: Jinping and how he will not back down. Probably it's
Speaker 1: just not in his DNA and politically not tenable for
Speaker 1: him to do. So we can talk about that in
Speaker 1: swamp Watch, because that's going to be a story that's
Speaker 1: going to continue for a while, US versus China when
Speaker 1: it comes to this, it may end up only coming
Speaker 1: to this.
Speaker 4: But Elon Musk in.
Speaker 1: His fight with Peter Navarro, who is Trump's trade advisor,
Speaker 1: it got heated over the weekend, like we were talking about,
Speaker 1: with Musk going on X talking about, you know, Navarro
Speaker 1: being an idiot, a moron, I guess was his word.
Speaker 1: Navarro calling Musk a car assembler, which he's right about
Speaker 1: a little bit But there was also this assertion by
Speaker 1: Elon Musk that Peter Navarro uses a fake economic expert
Speaker 1: expert in his books. Yeah, an expert he invented by
Speaker 1: the name of ron Vera.
Speaker 3: In one of his tweets, Elon Musk said, Tesla's the
Speaker 3: most vertically integrated auto manufactured America with the highest percentage
Speaker 3: of US content. Navarro should ask the fake expert he invented,
Speaker 3: Ron Vara.
Speaker 4: So here is the backstory on that.
Speaker 1: Because I read that this morning, I meant to do
Speaker 1: a deep dive and I did not, and I just did.
Speaker 4: So here's the deal.
Speaker 1: When did Peter Navarro enter the group chat with Trump
Speaker 1: while he started working with Trump after Jared Kushner stumbled
Speaker 1: upon Navarro's book It's called Death by China, And it
Speaker 1: was Kushner. Remember, Kushner was like the second coming in
Speaker 1: the first go round of Trump, like Trump had. Trump
Speaker 1: had Kushner as like his top advisor pretty much. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was listening to everything. This kid was saying, where's
Speaker 1: Jared Kushner bent lately?
Speaker 2: He's just making money and raising.
Speaker 1: Fascinating right that he was like this second in command
Speaker 1: almost It felt like and Ivanka have both steat back right,
Speaker 1: so fascinating. But anyway, so it was Kushner that said, hey,
Speaker 1: you should work with this guy. He was the one
Speaker 1: who reached out in twenty sixteen to Navarro to serve
Speaker 1: as Trump's economic advisor during the campaign after reading Death
Speaker 1: by China. Apparently in this book Death by China, Navarro
Speaker 1: frequently references the work of this guy ron Vara, so
Speaker 1: called economics expert. It wasn't just in his book Death
Speaker 1: by China, but a number of his books. After Trump
Speaker 1: was elected as president, this guy ron Vara circulated a
Speaker 1: memo in Washington, DC. He wrote a memo that made
Speaker 1: the rounds that Trump could ride the.
Speaker 4: Tariffs to victory.
Speaker 1: It turns out he is a made up person that
Speaker 1: Peter Navarro invented ron Vera as his expert source, one
Speaker 1: that he quoted over and over again. It's an anagram
Speaker 1: of his last name, right, ron Vera Navarro. He has
Speaker 1: admitted it. By the way, ron Navarro has he says
Speaker 1: that it was what was the word he used, a
Speaker 1: whimsical device. He acknowledged the fabrication, calling it a whimsical device.
Speaker 1: This all came out in twenty nineteen when everyone did
Speaker 1: the research and connected the dots and found out that
Speaker 1: this guy did not exist. Here's one of the quotes
Speaker 1: that's attributed to the fictional Ron Navara or Ron Vara
Speaker 1: and Death by China. This is when he's issuing ominous
Speaker 1: warnings on imports from China in this book. This is
Speaker 1: the quote, only the Chinese can turn a leather sofa
Speaker 1: into an acid bath, a baby crib into a lethal weapon,
Speaker 1: and a cell phone battery into heart piercing shrapnel. So
Speaker 1: it seems like Ron Navarro had these colorful quotations he
Speaker 1: wanted to use, but a tribute to someone else as
Speaker 1: color in his straight laced econ on.
Speaker 3: Book, so that they could cover for it, so that
Speaker 3: the person would cover for me.
Speaker 4: He said, it's just a fun device.
Speaker 1: The co author admitted that Peter Navarro created the character,
Speaker 1: and then Navarro said, in a cover of his own
Speaker 1: ass move, it's refreshing that somebody finally figured out an
Speaker 1: inside joke that's been hiding in plain sight for years.
Speaker 4: Okay, come on.
Speaker 1: The book publisher, by the way, is put a disclaimer
Speaker 1: on all of Ron Navarro's books that say, hey, ps,
Speaker 1: this guy uses fake freaking experts.
Speaker 3: That's so you can't do that, right, Well, in what
Speaker 3: world does your PhD from Harvard give you the uh
Speaker 3: give you the ability to do something like that?
Speaker 2: How would you possibly even try to pass that all?
Speaker 1: Well, your PhD from Harvard should mean you don't have
Speaker 1: to create a fake character, right. You are the expert,
Speaker 1: the expert write the book, be the quote, be the
Speaker 1: person the quotes come from.
Speaker 3: And if, like you said, you want to say things
Speaker 3: like only the Chinese internal other.
Speaker 2: Sofa into an ass SA, say it.
Speaker 4: Say them.
Speaker 3: Because you're not be a little b You're not going
Speaker 3: to be able to get away from that.
Speaker 1: My gosh, that is so spineless and slimy.
Speaker 2: Well, these guys.
Speaker 3: Are going to go after each other quite a bit,
Speaker 3: I hope, over the next couple of days, because it's entertaining.
Speaker 2: It's entertaining for the rest of us, I think.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, except for the whole you know, global trade
Speaker 1: war between the United States and China.
Speaker 3: Secondary, I'd rather these guys go after each other like
Speaker 3: a couple of little princesses. Up next the the horrific,
Speaker 3: heartbreaking story of this soccer coach who's now been charged
Speaker 3: with the murder of a young boy. This is after
Speaker 3: after allegations of sexually abusing another teenager.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about all that when we come back to
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