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Speaker 2: Hey, goodenough to do it, everybody. Welcome to Eye on
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Speaker 2: Rivera in today with me as a co host Larry Gilman,
Speaker 2: former sports reporter in Cincinnati Milwaukee. At least that's where
Speaker 2: you were at, right, Yep, welcome Gilman. You were with
Speaker 2: me for you talked to you were on the show
Speaker 2: a bit for the Pete Rose passing, right, you were
Speaker 2: kind of how you describe the relationship with Pete Rose.
Speaker 3: Well, it was sort of a combination relationship because I
Speaker 3: covered him as a sports reporter, but we got to
Speaker 3: be close friends.
Speaker 2: At the same time. Oh, at the same time. Oh,
Speaker 2: that's not a good thing to happen. Well it maybe
Speaker 2: back then. It was.
Speaker 3: I was, you know, in my late twenties, and I
Speaker 3: was just overwhelmed by the opportunity to get close to
Speaker 3: the these people I was.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Because if you get too close,
Speaker 2: then it's hard to tell the story. If you get
Speaker 2: too close, maybe later in life, I agree with you.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. But because I was so close is
Speaker 3: how I got the story I buy.
Speaker 2: I guilty you that way. I'm guilty of that too,
Speaker 2: I get it. Yeah, and you you want to be
Speaker 2: close but not too close.
Speaker 3: Right, And I think that quite frankly. I mean I
Speaker 3: was learning my way in the business. And uh, the
Speaker 3: fact that a guy like Pete Rose, you know, and
Speaker 3: what we really did together most of always go to
Speaker 3: the racetrack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like the ponies.
Speaker 3: He liked to gamble on pretty much everything. Yeah, and uh,
Speaker 3: but yeah, we'd go to the track with his family,
Speaker 3: and then I'd see him socially and we'd go to
Speaker 3: sporting events together. And we went to Japan together on
Speaker 3: a good will trip with the Cincinnati Reds and that
Speaker 3: was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Do you think he was and I'll hit almost a
Speaker 2: month since he's passed, right, do you think he was? Miss?
Speaker 2: I don't know what the word is, not misidentified, but
Speaker 2: he was beloved back in the day, right, And then
Speaker 2: he got into the trouble. But was he how can
Speaker 2: I say? People? Was he polarizing or because I thought
Speaker 2: the world of him when I was growing up, because
Speaker 2: the way he played he was a great player, could
Speaker 2: hit any position he wanted. But at the end, it
Speaker 2: was like, you know, he's this guy, this figure that
Speaker 2: was either cranky or you know what I'm saying, Am
Speaker 2: I wrong?
Speaker 3: I know what you're saying. And in terms of my
Speaker 3: own relationship with him, I was in Cincinnati for three
Speaker 3: years and he was a player the whole time. A
Speaker 3: big story back then was, which you know, free agency
Speaker 3: was relatively new, and Rose was born and raised in Cincinnati,
Speaker 3: and then he played for the Reds his whole career
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden it became clear that
Speaker 3: there are issues between him and management and he was
Speaker 3: going to start testing the water ended up going to Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: But the big story at the time was which city
Speaker 3: he would go to and how much money he would
Speaker 3: make and that kind of thing. Yeah, the controversy came
Speaker 3: up four or five years after I left, because he
Speaker 3: had gone to Philadelphia then came back and was a
Speaker 3: manager of the Reds, right, and that's when he got
Speaker 3: in trouble, and I was not with him or part
Speaker 3: of that aspect of his life. He always loved to gamble,
Speaker 3: but the kinds of trouble he got himself into over sports.
Speaker 3: Gambling was something I did not walk through that with
Speaker 3: him or was never a part of.
Speaker 2: Right did you? You must have? And we'll talk about
Speaker 2: your career real quick, because we're don't talk about sports obviously.
Speaker 2: But you did what you've always wanted to do. You
Speaker 2: were able to You're like me. I was able to
Speaker 2: be in sports, and I've done it most of my life, if.
Speaker 3: Not what I wanted to do since I was a
Speaker 3: little kid. Yeah, and I grew up in Saint Louis,
Speaker 3: and I used to take the bus downtown and go
Speaker 3: to fifty or sixty Cardinals games every summer, and tickets
Speaker 3: back then take us back then. We're seventy five cents
Speaker 3: to get into the cheap seats, but I didn't have
Speaker 3: to pay it because my father worked with a guy
Speaker 3: who moonlighted as an usher and he would let me
Speaker 3: walk through his turnstyle free, so I would get in
Speaker 3: for free. It was thirty five cents each way to
Speaker 3: take the Redbird Express.
Speaker 2: Down town, so seventy cents anyway. Yeah, and so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't a high budget day.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Nice, So that's cool. You were what ten?
Speaker 3: I was in probably junior high high school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Okay, So those nice little childhoods watching games
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've you know, I've always lived in cities where
Speaker 3: they had big time sports, and I've always been a
Speaker 3: fan and like being part of it.
Speaker 2: And now you live in Tucson will have some big
Speaker 2: time sport, you know, basketball.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm older now and quite frankly, you know,
Speaker 3: I do go to the basketball games when I can,
Speaker 3: and I got when I came here twenty years ago
Speaker 3: to Tucson, I went and got season tickets for football
Speaker 3: because that's all I could afford to get on the
Speaker 3: waiting list do it for basketball. I was when Loot
Speaker 3: was here, sure, and so.
Speaker 2: She'd only been here twenty years, so twenty years ago
Speaker 2: four when Stoops came right, so kind of at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the end of lout it was twenty years
Speaker 2: ago because he's been out to about fifteen ish years.
Speaker 3: Right, right, I lived through all that, and uh and
Speaker 3: UH wasn't here for the championship. I wasn't here you know,
Speaker 3: for the mine.
Speaker 2: That was twenty seven years ago.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, we're not talking that much longer, but
Speaker 3: still it was still.
Speaker 2: Did you meet him because he was he hung around
Speaker 2: some of the guys you around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I met him. I played golf with him a
Speaker 3: few times and got to know him, and I'm I'm
Speaker 3: fairly good friends with his daughter and uh okay, you
Speaker 3: know there my wife is so yeah so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: In any event, so it was, you know, special. I
Speaker 3: remember once I was playing golf with him and he
Speaker 3: introduced himself to the people in the four somebody he
Speaker 3: said he was Ludos and I looked at him, and
Speaker 3: then he took off his hat and all his hair
Speaker 3: showed up, and I said, oh, that is because without
Speaker 3: the hair, I didn't even reckon.
Speaker 2: How long had you been here?
Speaker 3: I had only been here a couple of years? Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: ten years. Sure.
Speaker 2: Sure. And he was a different, different man back then.
Speaker 2: You know he was because he'd walk in the room
Speaker 2: and you knew who loul Olson was, right.
Speaker 3: Well, but that the hair gave it away.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And the golf course he was dressed differently, right, right, right,
Speaker 2: all the entire Yeah. No, okay, we'll get back to
Speaker 2: some remembers. She's in a bit, But talking about racestock,
Speaker 2: I was at the del Mar last week. It was
Speaker 2: a bucket. This's item for me and I ran into
Speaker 2: Bob Baffort and reintroduced myself. Yeah, yeah, caause he'd been
Speaker 2: on the show before, I know, a billion on some
Speaker 2: of the family. So can you come on the show?
Speaker 2: And he said, yeah, I'm just hoping, he answers his
Speaker 2: phone because he says, remind me of reminding me. So
Speaker 2: I reminded him a couple of times. And then you
Speaker 2: kind of you've you've kind of started, and you're not started.
Speaker 2: But you were part of the horse racing industry in
Speaker 2: a weird way back in the day.
Speaker 3: Well, when I was growing up in Saint Louis, they
Speaker 3: had race tracks in Illinois right across the river, and
Speaker 3: that Cahokia downs at Wheremount Park. Yeah yeah, and I
Speaker 3: would go over there with my friends and you know,
Speaker 3: we chip in and each split a two dollars show
Speaker 3: ticket or something like that, you know, whatever it was
Speaker 3: in our budget paid. I loved I loved it back then.
Speaker 3: And I mean I wasn't friends with Pete Rose by accident.
Speaker 3: We both liked the gamble a little bit, and uh
Speaker 3: so that was part of my past. And then I
Speaker 3: started a tip sheet when I was right out of college,
Speaker 3: when I was twenty two in Maryland and sold the
Speaker 3: tip sheet at the racetrack there for four weeks.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 3: I became a stockbroker eventually. But I think the same
Speaker 3: kind of the same my direct sales experience came from
Speaker 3: the you know, the racetrack right right, looking at analytics, numbers, right,
Speaker 3: all things like that.
Speaker 2: That's it's right in the same kind of ballpark.
Speaker 3: Very much so so. And one of the big appeals
Speaker 3: of sports to me always was the statistics and the
Speaker 3: numbers and you know, playing with that. So it's it's
Speaker 3: all sort of got a common thread. But in any event,
Speaker 3: I've I've been very lucky. As I tell people, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm seventy six. It pretty good for seventy six. I was,
Speaker 3: maybe so they can't see them the radio, but I'm saying,
Speaker 3: my eyes must be deceiving me now. But I have
Speaker 3: always loved sports, and it's it's always been a big part.
Speaker 3: But I've had jobs that I would have done for free.
Speaker 3: I mean there's things that were interesting and fun and compelling, and.
Speaker 2: Well there's sometimes in this business of your TV business
Speaker 2: and other business mine here in the newspaper, it seems
Speaker 2: like you are doing it for free.
Speaker 3: Well that's the reason I got out of the business.
Speaker 3: I mean I was getting paid, but not enough to
Speaker 3: support my families. So I became a stockbroker. And that's
Speaker 3: why I'm here in Tucson, because I wouldn't have been
Speaker 3: here if I had just stayed a sports writer.
Speaker 2: What did you you twenty years ago? Had you retired?
Speaker 3: No, I moved here twenty years ago when my youngest
Speaker 3: kid went away to college, but I was still working
Speaker 3: out of my home. As a lot of people started
Speaker 3: doing then, I was doing it back then and retired
Speaker 3: about five years ago. So I did the stockbroker and
Speaker 3: money manager think for about forty years. Oh nice, after
Speaker 3: I got out of TV news.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, nice. Nice. Well great, and you get to
Speaker 2: do what you always wanted to do, was become a
Speaker 2: sports castor or in somebody involved in sports. Absolutely the best, biggest,
Speaker 2: biggest moment, biggest moment of your sports career.
Speaker 3: Well, i'm working I think the series. I'll remember I
Speaker 3: just came to Cincinnati in nineteen seventy six, and I
Speaker 3: was getting paid overtime to cover the World Series, and
Speaker 3: I was pushing myself constantly because this was the best machine.
Speaker 3: They were facing the Yankees with Catfish Hunter and all
Speaker 3: these people, and I was running around. I was supposed
Speaker 3: to be doing interviews. I was getting autographs. I mean,
Speaker 3: Johnny Bench and seven close to thirty. But it was
Speaker 3: just a dream come true.
Speaker 2: And they were the defending champions after winning seventy five.
Speaker 3: I think if you take away the pitching staff, so
Speaker 3: it was probably as good a team as there's ever
Speaker 3: been in baseball. If you're just talking about the offense.
Speaker 3: Sure with I mean every position was a sure could.
Speaker 2: You and I can both name those out because.
Speaker 3: I was a right position position by position?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah?
Speaker 3: And iconic basic man, I mean he's a big risk.
Speaker 2: Right right on the iconic names with Bench and Geronimo
Speaker 2: and Rose of course, Paris and those.
Speaker 3: Guys Foster and Reason and concepts Morgan, Joe Morgan. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Were going to bore people with all this these names.
Speaker 2: But you know the old people know, yeah no, But
Speaker 2: let me tell you said, that's who's listening to a
Speaker 2: bunch of old people. They like this going back in
Speaker 2: time and talking about the GOODLD days. We'll talk obviously
Speaker 2: current stuff. Football. You still have your football tickets for the.
Speaker 3: U of A. Yeah, I don't because I've started going
Speaker 3: away in the summer and I don't get back to
Speaker 3: October and the seasons half over. Yeah, but the attention
Speaker 3: to the team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just your quick thoughts on what's going on.
Speaker 3: Well, I think, uh, you know it. From my point
Speaker 3: of view, it seems like when they had you know,
Speaker 3: Fish here and and uh, all of a sudden started
Speaker 3: winning all these games and getting so much better, there
Speaker 3: was this I don't think anyone saw that coming, but
Speaker 3: everyone really enjoyed it when it happened. And now he's
Speaker 3: moved on and we're into a different phase and it
Speaker 3: seems as though they're attracting some really good talent, but
Speaker 3: they just haven't found a way to put it together yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that's you're being kind to Larry. I'm okay
Speaker 2: with that. They haven't put together at all. And and
Speaker 2: you've covered teams, and I've said this before, there seems
Speaker 2: to be a disconnect between the players and the coaches.
Speaker 2: New coaches coming in, well the same players or not
Speaker 2: their players, you know, and there's some kind of disconnect
Speaker 2: whatever that means to you or to me, But they're
Speaker 2: just not to me, whether it's playing hard or listening
Speaker 2: or disciplined or whatever. There's just a lot of things
Speaker 2: about you know, abc D, there's just so many things.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that you know, whether it's college or pros,
Speaker 3: I mean, having the great athletes makes a huge difference.
Speaker 3: Once he asked Josh Passner when he was you know,
Speaker 3: how much of a success of a team is recruiting
Speaker 3: and how much of it is what you do with
Speaker 3: the players after they get here. Good question, and he
Speaker 3: said about ninety ten recruiting, and I thought, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know about that.
Speaker 3: Well I disagreed with him, but the point was, I mean,
Speaker 3: but that's what they do. They spend their whole lives
Speaker 3: just going out and making sure they're trying to get
Speaker 3: the best players out there. But I think there's that culture,
Speaker 3: that chemistry that that team, whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 3: that at the end of the day, always seems to
Speaker 3: be there for teams that have success, and it just
Speaker 3: never seems to be there for teams that have great
Speaker 3: players but don't have that other people.
Speaker 2: Without question, I told you you've you've covered enough games,
Speaker 2: and that's why I asked you you've seen it. The
Speaker 2: best teams don't have the best players. Chemistry huge factor
Speaker 2: if you throw a little spot, you know, the stew
Speaker 2: of success, chemistry and talent, but you don't have to
Speaker 2: have all the coaching. One thing I learned is coaching matters.
Speaker 2: You have to have that coach who has a not
Speaker 2: an iron fist, but they respect the hell out of
Speaker 2: them so they play hard for him.
Speaker 3: Well, I think we saw it this year in the
Speaker 3: in the Baseball playoffs, because a lot of the teams
Speaker 3: that were supposed to do well and with the high
Speaker 3: seeds went out early. Teams that went all the way
Speaker 3: to the finish seem to have that special chemistry, and
Speaker 3: particularly the Dodgers, but they.
Speaker 2: Are also the two of the highest paid teams and
Speaker 2: some of the best players.
Speaker 3: But other teams like the Mets and you know that
Speaker 3: that weren't supposed to get past the first round, made
Speaker 3: it deep. So I think that you saw that sort
Speaker 3: of right in front of your eyes.
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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to my I on the Ball here
Speaker 2: on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera and with
Speaker 2: me today is Larry Gilman. And now on the phone
Speaker 2: we have Hall of Fame horse trainer Bob Baffort. Bob
Speaker 2: how are.
Speaker 12: You, David, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Great to have you. Great to see you last week.
Speaker 2: Let me say you're like the mayor of del Mar.
Speaker 2: How is that.
Speaker 4: Well, I think I've been going. I've been there, going
Speaker 4: there so so many years now, it's been like thirty years.
Speaker 12: And you know, it's just we just love it down there.
Speaker 4: Especially in the summertime.
Speaker 12: All the Zonies come to San Diego for vacation, so
Speaker 12: you see a lot.
Speaker 4: Of them there at the races.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no question in a couple of you have a
Speaker 2: couple of Zonies. I mean Luke used to go there
Speaker 2: and see you guys with his car Boys, and I
Speaker 2: saw you right before that race on Friday, and then
Speaker 2: you pull them off to finish a second. How big
Speaker 2: of a thing was that for that horse?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we were really I really thought they
Speaker 4: both had a really good, good chance. And I think
Speaker 4: the the carboys was gaming. I mean, he ran a
Speaker 4: great race. The other horse has got to jump on him,
Speaker 4: and uh, and that's horse racing. But I'm proud of
Speaker 4: both of them. They're really good horses and they're horses
Speaker 4: to watch, you know, down the road for hopefully for
Speaker 4: the Kentucky Derby and maybe you'll see him down the road.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: You've been with the car boys, I want to say,
Speaker 2: Carl Watson and mister Whiteman and Paul Whiteman for a
Speaker 2: number of years. They found you, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 2: thirty some years ago when they wanted to get into
Speaker 2: the business.
Speaker 4: Well, they happened to me. My brother, Bill Bafford is
Speaker 4: a is a realtor there in Tucsons, and he got
Speaker 4: to know him really well first, and he said, hey,
Speaker 4: they've been thinking about getting the business. And and Carl
Speaker 4: was from actually he lived in Nebraska, I believe or
Speaker 4: he used to run horses up there and he liked
Speaker 4: the horses, and uh and and Paul was from back east,
Speaker 4: and they became good friends and they decided to be partners.
Speaker 4: And we started buying a few horses for him, but
Speaker 4: they weren't working out, you know, they they were okay.
Speaker 4: But then I team them up with Mike Pegram where
Speaker 4: they could, uh we could, you know, gather more money
Speaker 4: to go out and buy these these top class horses,
Speaker 4: and all of.
Speaker 12: A sudden they just had they just went on a roll.
Speaker 4: And they've been really we've been really fortunate. We had,
Speaker 4: you know, Midnight lou was after Lodoles looking at Lucky
Speaker 4: when the Preakmans, They've they've had champions, they've had Eclipse champions,
Speaker 4: they've they've been on a great run. Uh and you know,
Speaker 4: so I've been trying to trying to get him to
Speaker 4: the Derby, you know, and hopefully that game I think
Speaker 4: they named you will get him there, hopefully.
Speaker 2: Right right, no question. And I've had some great horses.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Midnight Lute, There's hot Sean, there's Canrea, the Stoops,
Speaker 2: all these horses with great u of a names.
Speaker 4: Michale, Yeah, we were, you know, we try to we
Speaker 4: try to name him after a coach and I think
Speaker 4: Kendra got the worst of it though.
Speaker 12: We can't have gotten him a better horse, but it turned.
Speaker 4: Out pretty well. And uh, but you.
Speaker 12: Just never know, you know, we tried to wait to
Speaker 12: the last.
Speaker 4: Minute because to name them, because you've got you can
Speaker 4: name them right before they run. So we're well, we're hoping.
Speaker 4: But you know, Midnight Lout was, uh, he was just
Speaker 4: a champion. He was a phenomenal horse. And Ludelsen, you know,
Speaker 4: we got to.
Speaker 12: See him run and they was loving, you know, loved
Speaker 12: hanging around with him, and then he was just what
Speaker 12: a what a great coach and a great person.
Speaker 2: Right, No, it's funny because of the connection with the
Speaker 2: horse racing. I was on a bus with him and
Speaker 2: I was close to him. Obviously people know that because
Speaker 2: they covered him for so long. He says, Steve, I'll
Speaker 2: never own a horse, you know, in that voice that
Speaker 2: he has, he says, I don't want to feed some
Speaker 2: or pay somebody. Who's who's I'm paying when I sleep?
Speaker 2: You know, he didn't want to pay for the food
Speaker 2: and all that travel. So the heck come with that?
Speaker 4: Well, you have to have a passion for you have
Speaker 4: to love horses, be horse crazy and uh. And I
Speaker 4: actually still in contact with the Steps brothers. They're they're
Speaker 4: in Kentucky, and uh, I get to see them when
Speaker 4: I go back to Kentucky. And so they're they're still
Speaker 4: at it, doing well.
Speaker 2: Right right, And there's a chance you're going to get
Speaker 2: back to Kentucky, I know. With the winner. I can't
Speaker 2: remember the name of the winter on Friday, the two
Speaker 2: year old the beat the.
Speaker 12: Gay Citizen Bowl.
Speaker 4: It was the Citizen Bull.
Speaker 2: You had one two and four, Yeah, one.
Speaker 4: Two and four. You just got knit there for third
Speaker 4: but uh, no, it's exciting, you know, it's there's nothing
Speaker 4: like uh having a good two year old uh in
Speaker 4: the barn. And that's what we all, you know, my
Speaker 4: program is developing young horses and getting to these big
Speaker 4: races and my you know, they everybody wants to sit
Speaker 4: in the front row, Steve, you know, being those big
Speaker 4: races and so but I'm really fortunate to have great clients.
Speaker 4: I have really great centre.
Speaker 12: No only they're my clients, they're my good friends, you know,
Speaker 12: Carl Watson, Paul Whiteman, you know, and I know they
Speaker 12: do a lot for the University of Arizona and and
Speaker 12: so it's it's good to see it. And actually I
Speaker 12: have a.
Speaker 4: Son going to TCU and the U of A is
Speaker 4: playing TCU in a couple of weeks, and the whole
Speaker 4: baffort we travel, well, we're all going before we're to
Speaker 4: see that so U.
Speaker 12: But it's fun, you know.
Speaker 4: You know, it's fun. And I'm still, you know, big
Speaker 4: University of Arizona supporter, and I'll be there in December
Speaker 4: speaking uh with.
Speaker 12: A very tech management program.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: No, I know you come back here so often. I
Speaker 2: see you sitting down with with your your your but
Speaker 2: your brother at the front. You know, he's got the front.
Speaker 2: He's the guy in the front row. Him and his
Speaker 2: wife Ann, great seats.
Speaker 12: He should be the mayor of Tutom Bill.
Speaker 2: He should be the mayor of Well. It's funny, you
Speaker 2: know because, like I said, I've known Luke for a
Speaker 2: while and he came up with dukie vital, you know.
Speaker 2: But I said, there's no way Lout with his dry
Speaker 2: sense of humor, would have come up with that. And
Speaker 2: I said, I bet you, I bet you anything. It
Speaker 2: was Billy who said it. And now Luke kind of
Speaker 2: mimicked it because Billy's.
Speaker 4: The only time. Well, we'll always they always introduced him.
Speaker 4: He's the funny Baffort's funny brother, you know. And so
Speaker 4: but he's uh Bill Gray and uh you know, he
Speaker 4: loves to song and he was there, you know, my
Speaker 4: parents were still alive. He took care of them their
Speaker 4: last years and he did a great job, you know,
Speaker 4: keeping the ranch going. And he loves playing cowboy on
Speaker 4: the weekend.
Speaker 12: He thinks he's John Wayne, but he uh you know.
Speaker 4: But he loved his son and just loves the whole
Speaker 4: area there. And so if anybody needs a house. So
Speaker 4: he's your man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's a real real estate guy. So you
Speaker 2: come back every so often, like you say, you're coming
Speaker 2: back in December. I'm not sure if you guys still
Speaker 2: have the ranch. I was lucky enough to go visit
Speaker 2: the family and do a story on when you were
Speaker 2: had real quiet way back in the day, and your
Speaker 2: your dad and your mom showed me around the place
Speaker 2: in their house where you guys grew up in Nogallas. Well,
Speaker 2: what a fantastic child What a fantastic childhood. And then
Speaker 2: you go to Rili though, just kind of start your career.
Speaker 4: Yeah, great memories. I mean I started. I never had
Speaker 4: any expectations to be a horse trainer, and I loved
Speaker 4: going to relate with my father. He loved animals, he
Speaker 4: loved the horses. I was like ten eleven years old
Speaker 4: hanging hanging out at Rouledo on the weekends and just
Speaker 4: loving it growing up. And then I, you.
Speaker 12: Know, you become horse crazy and uh, and then I tried.
Speaker 4: To be a jockey. I actually went a couple of races.
Speaker 4: There was a jockey and it was fun and I
Speaker 4: love really though, and uh, then all of a sudden
Speaker 4: but my I promised my mother I would go to college,
Speaker 4: and I went to the Uba finished and then I
Speaker 4: didn't know what to do with And until nineteen eighty
Speaker 4: I became a full.
Speaker 12: Time horse trainer Roaledo and just thing.
Speaker 4: Just kids, spile, you know, just got snowballed, and all
Speaker 4: of a sudden it was I was the top guy
Speaker 4: in Arizona and then I and then I gave it
Speaker 4: a I went to losale Meados in nineteen eighty three
Speaker 4: to start my career at you know, the big Courter
Speaker 4: horse track. And after the nineteen eighty nine I started
Speaker 4: getting my seat wet with a ther bread because Wayne Lucas,
Speaker 4: who came from and within ninety one I was rolling
Speaker 4: got rid of the court horses.
Speaker 12: It was hard to get rid of the court of
Speaker 12: horses because I.
Speaker 4: Still love the court horses and moved to therapy. Was
Speaker 4: not expecting like I would give myself three years, you know,
Speaker 4: if I don't, if I can't make something happen three
Speaker 4: years and I'm out and it happened, and next thing
Speaker 4: you know it, we're at the Kentucky Derby and it
Speaker 4: was really nice because I got to share those moments
Speaker 4: my father, who you know, he loved the horses, and
Speaker 4: I got They were there when I won my couple
Speaker 4: of Kentucky Derbys, and so I really got to enjoy it.
Speaker 4: They weren't around from my trip around unfortunately, but they
Speaker 4: went to some of those. But it was just really
Speaker 4: great memories. And I just you know, from growing up
Speaker 4: on a ranch and you know, you learn work ethic
Speaker 4: because you have to care for all those animals and
Speaker 4: getting up early, and growing up in a small time
Speaker 4: town like no Galas was, you know, everybody knew everybody.
Speaker 4: It was really it was really nice, Bob.
Speaker 3: My name is Larry Gelman. We've met once or twice
Speaker 3: so with the McMahon's crowd and with Carl and Paul,
Speaker 3: but you wouldn't remember me. I was involved in the
Speaker 3: horse racing game from the other end fifty years ago
Speaker 3: out in Maryland Bowie and Laurel and Pimlico. I sold
Speaker 3: a tip sheet and always loved playing the horses and
Speaker 3: watching the horses and do something about the business. And
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you over the last you know,
Speaker 3: however long you've been in them is forty fifty years,
Speaker 3: if you think the business has changed in ways that
Speaker 3: really affect the way you go about your job and
Speaker 3: some of the things you have to think about and do.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 12: I think there's I think it's.
Speaker 4: Changed with there's not as many horses as there used
Speaker 4: to be. When I first got in, I think there
Speaker 4: was something like forty five thousand foles were born in
Speaker 4: the year, and that's dan to like about seventeen thousand now.
Speaker 4: So I remember, you know, people would say, you know,
Speaker 4: there's thirty five thousand foals for in a year, only
Speaker 4: one can win the Kentucky Derby, the odds of that,
Speaker 4: you know. And so but now it's gotten, you know,
Speaker 4: we wrote racing in the seventies was mainstream. Matter of fact,
Speaker 4: Lafite pink Kai was the famous jockey. He was probably
Speaker 4: the highest paid athletes in the seventies. He was making
Speaker 4: more than any athlete at the time before things went
Speaker 4: crazy with television and so, but then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: horse racing didn't become the main sport. You know, everything
Speaker 4: on television, football, baseball, and everything got bigger, and we
Speaker 4: sort of we sort of stayed stagnant, you know, and
Speaker 4: so we weren't really on television. Maybe once in a
Speaker 4: while they had the Breeders Cup Kentucky Derby was always
Speaker 4: on television and that's and the Derby has like always
Speaker 4: been it's like a bucket list race. You know, everybody
Speaker 4: wants to go to Kentucky dear every one time in
Speaker 4: their life, and they should. And so but it's changed
Speaker 4: now where it's it got to the point where it's
Speaker 4: probably more scrutinized now and you know a lot of
Speaker 4: regulations and it should be, you know, and so it's
Speaker 4: very it's not as popular as sport as it was,
Speaker 4: you know, four thirty forty years ago. You know, I
Speaker 4: remember when I went to San Nita. It was in
Speaker 4: the weekends. There was you know, twenty five thousand, thirty
Speaker 4: thousand every day. And now you know, you'd be lucky
Speaker 4: if you got you know, three four thousand people there,
Speaker 4: you know. And so because it they've made it easier
Speaker 4: now you don't have to go. You can watch the
Speaker 4: races on television, you can bet on your phone. So
Speaker 4: you know, I think and when you lose the uh,
Speaker 4: i'd be like having a football game and you know,
Speaker 4: everybody can watch it at home. And if the stadiums,
Speaker 4: you know, have empty, it's it doesn't have the same vibe,
Speaker 4: you know. But but on the big days they do
Speaker 4: show up.
Speaker 2: It's funny because I was there obviously, I saw you
Speaker 2: last week and I ran into Boom Phillips. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's an horse owner. It's a it's a rich man's game,
Speaker 2: that's as they've always said this, but an old man's game.
Speaker 2: I'm sixty years old and I'm sitting in the press
Speaker 2: box with a bunch of guys who are like a
Speaker 2: hundred They feel to me, they looked old. I'm thinking, God,
Speaker 2: these people who are writing about it have been here forever,
Speaker 2: and you play know them all.
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean that's the thing. I mean, it's the
Speaker 4: most of the you know, everybody. We it's just the same,
Speaker 4: you know, we've gotten older and and you know they're
Speaker 4: just die hard. You know, most of our media people are.
Speaker 4: You know, they've been in it for the last thirty
Speaker 4: forty years. But it's you know, and it's it's changed.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 4: We don't get the uh like I remember. I remember
Speaker 4: when I was in Nogalls, we'd get the Arizona Daily
Speaker 4: Star and we would when they would run the derby,
Speaker 4: there'd be four pages of the about the derby, about
Speaker 4: the result, and I didn't because our TV was always out,
Speaker 4: you know, it was we hadn't ten and the cows
Speaker 4: would knock it down. We never had television, you know,
Speaker 4: so we would Uh. I'd get the paper and I
Speaker 4: could see and the show a whole picture of the start, the.
Speaker 12: First quarridor the picture of where they were and how they.
Speaker 4: Finished, like about four or five pages of coverage, you know,
Speaker 4: and now you're you know, we're lucky if we get
Speaker 4: a little you know, the only time you read about
Speaker 4: anything is something.
Speaker 12: Bad happening racing, you know. But actually I.
Speaker 4: Think I think the world that would you know, we
Speaker 4: don't get pretty used.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, no, no, there's only four pages in the
Speaker 2: sports section at all. Right, do you miss This may
Speaker 2: be a dumb question about but you do you kind
Speaker 2: of miss the small time, you know, no galls even
Speaker 2: Tucson a little because you know, you grew up in it.
Speaker 2: You probably have some a lot of friends here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really I follow, you know, Like to me,
Speaker 4: the first Saturday in May, which is a Derby, used
Speaker 4: to be Sonoita, Arizona, and that was our big, big thing,
Speaker 4: and so it would be packed and we'd be there
Speaker 4: and my father and my uncle they got together and
Speaker 4: they made a futurity for corter horses. They they they
Speaker 4: put it together and so we raised horses. They weren't
Speaker 4: really that good, but that was our That was my
Speaker 4: first Saturday May has tried to compete there and finally
Speaker 4: we didn't have good enough horses. And when I went
Speaker 4: to California started training horses, all of a sudden I
Speaker 4: started getting I had nice horses. I couldn't wait to
Speaker 4: ship a horse to Sonoya and I went to Sonoia
Speaker 4: Maturity twice. One time I couldn't stay. I leave there
Speaker 4: with my father. Here, you train them, you're there at
Speaker 4: the ranch, just take them up there and he'd would.
Speaker 4: He won twice and it was to me, the biggest
Speaker 4: thrill for him. And it was like, I really miss annoying.
Speaker 4: I really enjoyed Sanoia. And for some reason they had
Speaker 4: the best cheeseburgers. They're on the fair ground. I don't
Speaker 4: know why, but.
Speaker 2: Well, you guys, you must have been sand banking with
Speaker 2: those horses coming in from Sa Santa Nita. Of course, Uh,
Speaker 2: how do you from most of the means em it
Speaker 2: makes sense to me that you were you were a
Speaker 2: corner horse guy. Because the way you train, you get
Speaker 2: them out early, and you make they get out early
Speaker 2: and they run fast.
Speaker 12: Well, I mean I buy a fast I try to buy.
Speaker 4: A horses speed. It's all about speed.
Speaker 12: And so the uh my horses are you.
Speaker 4: Know, they're they're trained well where we're going to fit
Speaker 4: and and they're and they're good horses. I mean, I'm
Speaker 4: I'm in a position where I have great clientele and
Speaker 4: they let me pick out this horse. When I first
Speaker 4: went over the I used to buy horses. I didn't
Speaker 4: know how they were bred. I had a budget and
Speaker 4: I still was I got like I bought a horse
Speaker 4: for seventeen thousand that won the Kentucky Derby Real Quiet
Speaker 4: Silver Charm. He cost eighty thousand. And then once you
Speaker 4: get going, then people started saying, hey, you know, buy
Speaker 4: me some horses, and that's that's the way. And I
Speaker 4: just got you know, bigger. But I keep my numbers.
Speaker 4: I don't like to have more than like one hundred
Speaker 4: horses and training because and that might sound like a lot,
Speaker 4: but the big guys have like three.
Speaker 12: Hundred four hundred horses back case, you know, I don't,
Speaker 12: but I just like quality.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you one last question. So you I
Speaker 2: know you followed the basketball program. I see you at
Speaker 2: some of the Western regionals every now and again. With
Speaker 2: the football program, you've come to a few games year.
Speaker 2: What do you think about what's going on at the
Speaker 2: football program.
Speaker 4: Well, I think in the football program, I was talking
Speaker 4: to different coaches you know, in different areas, and it's
Speaker 4: just changing with this new NIL and.
Speaker 12: It's really it's gonna.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it didn't didn't sound really unless you've
Speaker 4: got a strong, uh school that will you know, where
Speaker 4: it'd be Like me here, I've got Citizen bull and
Speaker 4: gaming and uh, all of a sudden in January, if
Speaker 4: they go into portal, somebody can snatch them from me,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's so and to me,
Speaker 4: I don't think it's healthy. And I think you know,
Speaker 4: they all feel like it's going to affect other sports
Speaker 4: and to be able to compete with a.
Speaker 12: Budget, you know, and uh you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: So unless you've got some great alumni that you know,
Speaker 4: like USC has got the you know in Oregon they've
Speaker 4: got the strong you know, they can compete, they could
Speaker 4: b YU all of a sudden b YU just you know, Uh,
Speaker 4: it's like and what and what coach Prime is done
Speaker 4: in Colorado proves that, you know, you get those guys
Speaker 4: open up their checkbooks. There's you know, there's college kids
Speaker 4: making more than the rookie quarterbacks at the NFL.
Speaker 2: Sure, no, hey, that's why. That's why I'm sure Bob
Speaker 2: Beffort's on their speed out. Bob, you saw the game
Speaker 2: last week. Could you give us some money to get
Speaker 2: a player or two?
Speaker 4: I'm telling you it's I when it comes to football,
Speaker 4: that's a tough sport, you know, and it's uh you know,
Speaker 4: and it's like our sport. You have to keep everybody
Speaker 4: healthy and that's so hard. And but to me, I
Speaker 4: love college football. That's my my favorite is college football.
Speaker 4: I love watching all the the uh you know. I
Speaker 4: was lucky enough to be I was at a horse
Speaker 4: sale and they got to see the Stoops hang out.
Speaker 4: You know, they let me. They played Georgia and they
Speaker 4: just lost by one point. It was just sickening, you know.
Speaker 4: They you know, Mike's I think he's a great coach,
Speaker 4: almost pulled it off, you know. And so you know,
Speaker 4: you see these I love watching these, but the sec
Speaker 4: and they're getting so powerful, you know, it's.
Speaker 2: Just really powerful. Right. Well, Bob, we appreciate your time.
Speaker 2: Thanks for reminiscing with.
Speaker 4: Us up, thanks for calling me, and you guys can
Speaker 4: have me on anytime hostfully. Oh, these horses stay healthy
Speaker 4: and that's the whole thing. And we'll get those carboys.
Speaker 4: We got to get those cars.
Speaker 2: Second, as we get closer to the many, I'll hold
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Speaker 2: you guys, got it, Thank you man, Thank you about
Speaker 2: all right. I appreciate it, all right, love baffort from
Speaker 2: uh obviously the Hall of Fame trainer horses. You got
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Speaker 2: I had a lot of fun with that. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you did with Bob.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that was great. I mean, like I say,
Speaker 3: I'm an old time yeah horse racing Johnkie.
Speaker 2: I ran into him last week and he was, you know,
Speaker 2: in his yellow tide and his power tide and you
Speaker 2: know his horses that I've said, Steve, oh yeah, blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. But you can tell that they love him.
Speaker 2: There'd be come on, they love him.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: Southern California tracks.
Speaker 3: He's really uh, I mean he's earned it. He's become
Speaker 3: a legend with not just his personality but his uh,
Speaker 3: his performance and in sports, you know that's anything in fact.
Speaker 2: Well, and now he'll be able to probably get some
Speaker 2: horses back to the derby. We all know. I didn't
Speaker 2: talk about it, the suspension for three years from Churchill
Speaker 2: downs from Medina, the Medina horse who had tested positive
Speaker 2: for steroids. I guess so. But now he could be
Speaker 2: back with a couple of horses, maybe a Tuson's connection too.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say back in the day, and I'm
Speaker 2: not too far back going back. Uh, And you've been
Speaker 2: here twenty some years, so you kind of you kind
Speaker 2: of know who would be your all time and we
Speaker 2: can get some calls on this. We don't have very
Speaker 2: much time. Uh, the Mountain rushmore of you wait, people
Speaker 2: athletically ker curR definitely for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean I came right when he was right, you
Speaker 3: know that whatever days. But but clearly I thought that uh.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: I can't even remember his name because I'm getting older.
Speaker 3: But a number of the basketball players, oh, Shawn Elliott's
Speaker 3: Elliott also was before my time, but there were a
Speaker 3: number of players. Well, yeah, a little bit, but even then, yeah, oh,
Speaker 3: since then, because I've been here since then. I mean
Speaker 3: I got here. You know, I showed up at the
Speaker 3: party right before the cops came. I mean I didn't
Speaker 3: even get a drink.
Speaker 2: But which is fine over the last because I've been
Speaker 2: here all that time, I really don't. I wouldn't put
Speaker 2: anybody here since the loot guys left. You know, Eton
Speaker 2: didn't stay here long enough. Gordon was here for a
Speaker 2: cup of coffee too. TJ. McConnell maybe. But back in
Speaker 2: that wheelhouse of time, it was Bafford, Jenny Finch, right,
Speaker 2: Sean Elliott, And I want to give you a fourth Baffort, Baffort,
Speaker 2: Shawn Elliott, Steve Kerr and Jenny Finch because he was
Speaker 2: winning triple crowns, right, Jenny was the darling of softball
Speaker 2: in the Olympics. And blah blah blah, Sean. How could
Speaker 2: you not use Sean because he's like the mister basketball guy.
Speaker 3: Well, I have to tell you that since I've been here,
Speaker 3: which is twenty years now, the people who have made
Speaker 3: the biggest impression on me, and as far as you
Speaker 3: a sports are concerned, are our friends who are such
Speaker 3: amazing supporters.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: The extent to which the program has developed people who
Speaker 3: are willing to write checks and show up and do
Speaker 3: whatever it takes to keep this program competitive and on
Speaker 3: the up and up. That is amazing to me.
Speaker 2: You threw a curveball. I mean, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 2: say you are you are right, because there's no way.
Speaker 2: You know, the weekend at Bernie's, you said the two dudes, Well,
Speaker 2: those are gonna be those are going to have to
Speaker 2: be the dudes you're talking about the people writing the
Speaker 2: checks keeping the program up, because there's no way it's
Speaker 2: going to happen otherwise because they have to open up
Speaker 2: the checks. We kind of joked it, joked about it
Speaker 2: with Bob Right. I'm sure they're checking with him. He says, hey,
Speaker 2: could you give us somebody?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 2: And you know those people because you I know those people.
Speaker 2: You know, Hey, we're struggling here. We've got to get
Speaker 2: some players here, you know, can you write me this
Speaker 2: and that?
Speaker 3: And I think that since I've been here, there have
Speaker 3: been some chatchallenges to the program and aspects of it
Speaker 3: that not all fans that I've known over the years
Speaker 3: would have ridden out the storm. These people, it's there
Speaker 3: for the school, they're there for the team, and they
Speaker 3: have not been discouraged. They've maybe been a little unhappy
Speaker 3: from time tonight, but they're always the sure And I
Speaker 3: think that is something that is super special.
Speaker 2: It's loyal loyalty or loyalty and not so much to
Speaker 2: the person but to the school.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, you're right. It takes a special person,
Speaker 2: and especially down for football. They're not having if Larry
Speaker 2: gave twenty five thousand, I'm just throwing that number out,
Speaker 2: the fifty thousand whatever, and then you get this return
Speaker 2: and you're thinking, what did I just do? I spend
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars for this team to do well or
Speaker 2: whatever this player, and it's my return on the investment.
Speaker 2: ROI is horrible. I'm not going to do it again.
Speaker 3: No, I And that would be understandable, but yeah.
Speaker 2: You're in your in that business where you know it's
Speaker 2: cost effective or whatever.
Speaker 3: It's just the fact that they love the team and
Speaker 3: they love the program, and they are committed and you know,
Speaker 3: and I speak my mind and sometimes you know, you
Speaker 3: toe up to the line or even cross it from
Speaker 3: time to time, but when I'm around you of A fans,
Speaker 3: if I start getting a little bit snarky or whatever,
Speaker 3: they're all over me right away. They don't want to
Speaker 3: hear it. They are all in and they you're with
Speaker 3: us or you're not. And that's a great quality.
Speaker 4: Right No.
Speaker 2: And the thing about it, Larry, is that you have
Speaker 2: this group of people, and I'm sure it's small in
Speaker 2: some places, big in others where they're that for every
Speaker 2: school you know in Ohio state that must have a
Speaker 2: contingent Texas they have a contingent of people. But here
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a tight knit group of people
Speaker 2: who are opening up their checkbooks or little persons there
Speaker 2: in the wall that's insane. Here, here's something I'm going
Speaker 2: to help you try to get some people.
Speaker 3: And the other thing that's unique about Tucson that I
Speaker 3: appreciate because I've lived in other cities where they do
Speaker 3: have professional sports. Yeah, and it's a big deal, is
Speaker 3: that in Tucson, the U of A is pretty much
Speaker 3: it And as a result, the kind of loyalty that
Speaker 3: might go to the Chicago Bears or the Green Bay Packers,
Speaker 3: or to this team or that team, it all gets
Speaker 3: focused on the U of a here, and I think
Speaker 3: that makes it very special as well.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, no, it's the only game in town. And
Speaker 2: if you're successful, it's a great Well they're successful, it's
Speaker 2: a great time. Oh for sure, it's a great time.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've seen. Give me, twenty years is not
Speaker 2: a whole long, long well.
Speaker 3: I was here for the heyday of the softball program,
Speaker 3: for example.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well see now you're now you're going into a
Speaker 2: place where yeah, Mike had it owned and owned it right,
Speaker 2: but then it started to waning a little. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you haven't seen much in football you personally.
Speaker 3: I've seen nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean one are two good years.
Speaker 3: And again that was just recently. I mean, I but
Speaker 3: you know, I was right after Macovic I went online.
Speaker 3: It cost me fifty grand to get on the waiting
Speaker 3: list for basketball tickets, so I didn't do that. But
Speaker 3: so when Stoops took over, I went online. I could
Speaker 3: pick a seat. Yeah, football, I was on the on
Speaker 3: the forty five yard line, twenty five rows up in
Speaker 3: the Stoops years, I mean, the whole stadium was available.
Speaker 3: So I became involved in that. And then you know,
Speaker 3: we've had a litany of coaches and ups and downs,
Speaker 3: more downs and ups. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: they've still got to develop that winning culture, that that
Speaker 3: that helps generate a loyal not just a loyal fan base,
Speaker 3: but a passionate fan Sure.
Speaker 2: Sure, well, you're a preciated the choir because they've been
Speaker 2: here forever. You've been here twenty years, you see it.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure it's going to be possible anytime soon.
Speaker 2: What'd you go to, coach?
Speaker 3: I went to a Division III school in near Cleveland
Speaker 3: called Oberlin County.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I was gonna say, if you had gone
Speaker 2: to a school you would know what that like, Ohio
Speaker 2: State or I.
Speaker 3: Lived in Columbus and I was covering Ohio State sports
Speaker 3: back in the Woody Hayes days. Oh okay, So yeah,
Speaker 3: so you get it. Yeah, Oh no, I've seen it
Speaker 3: up close. Yeah, but just talking about the places where
Speaker 3: I live. The Cardinals certainly had that in Saint Louis,
Speaker 3: and I think they still do the baseball Cardinals, And
Speaker 3: I think that that was one of the problems I
Speaker 3: think with Arizona professional sports is that no one, you know,
Speaker 3: when I got here, no one had grown up rooting
Speaker 3: for the Diamondbacks or for the Cardinals. They grew up
Speaker 3: rooting for the Bears. I grew up rooting for the
Speaker 3: Packers or whatever. And it takes a while to develop
Speaker 3: a fan base of people who grew up rooting for
Speaker 3: the team.
Speaker 2: Well, that's it. You are not the anomaly. You are
Speaker 2: the person that describes Tucson fandom. Now you're not from here.
Speaker 2: You have to get Arizona's an acquired taste, and then
Speaker 2: you'll start to fall in love with them over time.
Speaker 2: Right right, you're you're that guy, because there's plenty of
Speaker 2: you guys in the stadium now. They just have to
Speaker 2: keep win, not keep winning. They have to win to
Speaker 2: keep you guys interested. Yeah, and they know that. I mean, well,
Speaker 2: of course, yeah, do you have to find a way
Speaker 2: to win. That's what it is.
Speaker 3: And so that's why we wake up tomorrow. See if
Speaker 3: it's better.
Speaker 2: We woke up today after after last night, so you know,
Speaker 2: we move on, right, Hey, Henry, how are we doing?
Speaker 3: Not like one minute?
Speaker 2: A minute? Okay, no, thanks for the first ever good
Speaker 2: good stuff we're gonna have in the second hour. What
Speaker 2: do we have?
Speaker 15: Oh?
Speaker 2: Dave Cosgrove, he's the national champion coach at Pima Men's soccer.
Speaker 2: I think they just qualified to get to the finals
Speaker 2: or to the tournament now, so very successful program at PIMA.
Speaker 2: And we'll talk to him on the other side.
Speaker 3: Stick around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course we're yeah. Yeah, you can just stay.
Speaker 2: Where are you gonna go?
Speaker 3: Get paid more now?
Speaker 2: Yes, you got another coke coming? Yeah yeah, thank you, Henry.
Speaker 2: And you got breaking news right Henry. Yep, okay,