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Speaker 2: All right, we'll get the four o'clock hours started by
Speaker 2: extending a big congratulations to the one, the only mister
Speaker 2: Tony Vinetti as he has been. I mean, he's been
Speaker 2: given a pretty big honor here. He is going to
Speaker 2: be one of the members of the Trinity Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame Class of twenty twenty four. So shout out to
Speaker 2: Tony Vinetti class of eighty seven. It's random to see him.
Speaker 2: Did he go to Trinity, Tony? I feel like if
Speaker 2: he did, maybe they're just doing it honoring him as
Speaker 2: a louivillion because I feel like if Tony went to Trinity,
Speaker 2: he would talk more about Trinity, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, I feel like Venetti. You know,
Speaker 2: surely he didn't go to Trinity, because he would he
Speaker 2: probably would talk about the Rocks a little more if
Speaker 2: that was the case. But in all seriousness, congrats to
Speaker 2: uh to Tony. He is a proud Trinity Shamrock. There's
Speaker 2: one thing you know, actually, there's a lot of things
Speaker 2: you know about Tony. I don't know if there's anybody
Speaker 2: that knows one thing about Tony, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: things you know about Tony Vannetti. But yeah, congratulations. I
Speaker 2: know he's got to be super excited to be a
Speaker 2: part of this Trinity Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3: You think he'll give a speech, I mean maybe over
Speaker 3: the year.
Speaker 2: I mean, good luck trying to stop him exactly. I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean he's going he gives a speech to strangers
Speaker 2: that he passes in public about Trinity. Now he's being
Speaker 2: inducted into their Hall of Fame. You know, somebody's gonna
Speaker 2: have to put a muzzle on him because he's going
Speaker 2: to be up there just spewing, you know, the the
Speaker 2: love he has for the Trinity, for the Trinity family.
Speaker 2: So shout out to Tony Venetti. All right again, Coffee
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Speaker 2: the Refreshing Rewards program if you haven't already. So I
Speaker 2: asked the question earlier when it comes to the uniforms
Speaker 2: that I don't know where these came from, and I
Speaker 2: assume they're real. I don't know. Somebody's asking me if
Speaker 2: it's like a photoshop. Maybe it is. I don't know.
Speaker 2: You never know of artificial intelligence now, But there's a
Speaker 2: red Louisville uniform that looks like a standard Louisville football
Speaker 2: jersey outside of one thing. It's red, the font looks
Speaker 2: the same, it's got the Adida's logo, it's got the
Speaker 2: acc football logo. It appears to be on a rack,
Speaker 2: which I assume is in like a store where you
Speaker 2: can purchase it. In fact, the jersey has that little
Speaker 2: white thing on it that they got to take off
Speaker 2: at the register because if you walk out of the store,
Speaker 2: it's gonna the alarm's gonna go off. So I mean,
Speaker 2: I assume this is a real jersey that you can
Speaker 2: go by. But the one thing that makes it just
Speaker 2: look so hideous is that what should be white is
Speaker 2: bright yellow. And it looks like Louisville will be out
Speaker 2: there on the field in maybe one game, I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe a few games. I'm not sure. If they wear these,
Speaker 2: they'll look like they're trying to appear to be Ronald McDonald,
Speaker 2: and I don't think that's great. Look, it's not a
Speaker 2: big deal. They wear them all year. I'm still gonna,
Speaker 2: you know, pull form and hope, hope that they win.
Speaker 2: It's not gonna, you know, do anything to bring down
Speaker 2: my enthusiasm and my excitement for Louisville football. But man,
Speaker 2: these are hideous and I have no problem saying it.
Speaker 2: But some of the feedback on the text line has
Speaker 2: been that some of you guys don't think they look
Speaker 2: that bad. I mean, somebody has said that they were
Speaker 2: they're a Seneca graduate and they remind they remind them
Speaker 2: of Seneca. Well, okay, Seneca's not Louisville. Man, Like, it's fine,
Speaker 2: but like, have you ever once looked at the Seneca
Speaker 2: They the RedHawks, a guess of the red Hawks, but
Speaker 2: the Seneca High School red Hawks here in town. You
Speaker 2: everyone sh looked at them on the field and think thought,
Speaker 2: oh wow, they look like they're wearing U of L
Speaker 2: uniforms Louisville Cardinals. I mean, they're not the same thing.
Speaker 2: So I mean, trust me, it's not as if I'm
Speaker 2: gonna lose sleep over it. But they're awful, and I'm
Speaker 2: just curious as to what you know people can buy
Speaker 2: them in stores. It would make me think that you can,
Speaker 2: that you can. You know that you're going to see
Speaker 2: Lois Wille wear them at some at some point. It'll
Speaker 2: probably be like one of their special games, because usually
Speaker 2: there's a game every year where Adidas will give them
Speaker 2: some new different uniforms to wear, to bring attention to
Speaker 2: of course, you know the brand that is Adidas, the
Speaker 2: company that gives the University of Louisville athletic department a
Speaker 2: lot of money to annually you know, wear their gear,
Speaker 2: all right, So I don't want to nerd out too
Speaker 2: much on the on the nil bylaws because that stuff's
Speaker 2: boring and it really is, you know, reading reading the
Speaker 2: actual n C double A documents for this just there's
Speaker 2: a lot of legal jargon that's over my head. But
Speaker 2: here's what we do now know the n C double A.
Speaker 2: They have released their annual Division one Athletics Manual and
Speaker 2: it now actually has NIL by laws which went into
Speaker 2: effect on August the first. So the interim INNIL policy
Speaker 2: that went into place. Once a federal judge stepped in
Speaker 2: and was like, yeah, you can't enforce that, Like, you
Speaker 2: can't do that. That's illegal. So that interim policy which
Speaker 2: was you know, really non existent. It was a complete
Speaker 2: free for all, and it's still going to be exactly that.
Speaker 2: So a federal judge has already determined that the NCUBA
Speaker 2: can't punish athletes for negotiating NIL deals during the recruiting process.
Speaker 2: Yet these new NCUBA bylaws say NIL activities may not
Speaker 2: induce an athlete to enroll or remain enrolled at an institution.
Speaker 2: Good luck with that enforcement. Again, you're claiming that these
Speaker 2: NCAA institutions cannot I mean, maybe there's maybe this is
Speaker 2: saying that, you know, you can't punish the athletes, but
Speaker 2: the school can get punished. I doubt that's the case.
Speaker 2: But again we've got the NCAA giving us their updated
Speaker 2: INIL bylaws claiming that INIL like that schools can't do this, right,
Speaker 2: schools are not going to be allowed to use INIL
Speaker 2: to induce players when we all know that's exactly what
Speaker 2: this is. Like, it's just so stupid. So they're claiming
Speaker 2: they're going to enforce something that a federal judge is
Speaker 2: already determined that they cannot enforce. So maybe it says
Speaker 2: they can't punish the athletes, but they'll punish the school. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm not even and honestly, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure the NAA knows either, because they're they're just flying
Speaker 2: by the seat of their pants, trying to figure something out,
Speaker 2: and at each turn they get humbled and notified you're
Speaker 2: not legally allowed to do that. You cannot tell them
Speaker 2: they cannot take this money for this, or that you
Speaker 2: don't have the right to do that. That is what
Speaker 2: federal judges have told the NCAA. Really since this whole
Speaker 2: ball got rolling, and it really is all the nsaa's
Speaker 2: fault for forever, for forever, is that a thing? For forever?
Speaker 2: They have been so against any level of players having
Speaker 2: rights to go earn money for being who they are,
Speaker 2: right like, they were so locked into this archaic model
Speaker 2: that they called the amateurism model. They never budged, they
Speaker 2: never did anything to make any adjustments to make, you know,
Speaker 2: to make it to where it didn't turn into this.
Speaker 2: And what it's turned into is that they had decades
Speaker 2: to get ahead of this, they chose not to. And
Speaker 2: now the cat's out of the bag and they're basically
Speaker 2: being handcuffed from enforcing any type of regulation. So I mean,
Speaker 2: if you are somebody that works for compliance within a
Speaker 2: high level university that you know, wants to compete at
Speaker 2: the highest level in athletics, Like, what do you do?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What do you? I mean? You you see that the
Speaker 2: nc DOUAA has given you this annual document that basically
Speaker 2: tells you, you know, I guess the rules, and it
Speaker 2: now includes updated n Cuba NIL bylaws. And yet you
Speaker 2: know that what they are telling you in these bylaws
Speaker 2: that you can't do. You know that legally, a federal
Speaker 2: judge has said the ncuable A cannot prohibit you from
Speaker 2: doing They can't stop you from doing that. So like
Speaker 2: do you just say the hell with this? I know
Speaker 2: that they can't. They can't actually punish us, and if
Speaker 2: they do, we'll go to court and they'll lose again
Speaker 2: because that's what the NAA does. So what purpose does
Speaker 2: the NUAA serve for the highest level of college athletics
Speaker 2: now where the where the big money's always been flowing
Speaker 2: and there's going to be even more money flowing? Like
Speaker 2: what like again, what service? Like what what do they
Speaker 2: I mean? I don't I don't. I don't get it.
Speaker 2: I don't get it. When I say I don't get it,
Speaker 2: I mean, like, does the NCAA have any plan to
Speaker 2: like put out what they want to do and then
Speaker 2: take it to somebody, you know, a federal judge and say,
Speaker 2: here's what we plan on trying to enforce. Do we
Speaker 2: have the green light? Are we allowed to do this?
Speaker 2: And you know, if they don't, they got to go
Speaker 2: back and start over. But it seems as if they
Speaker 2: keep trying to enforce rules within NIL and every time
Speaker 2: they waste their time because they end up being told, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't do that, You're not allowed. Like is this fixable?
Speaker 2: I mean, we already know that players have been using
Speaker 2: NIL money to decide where they want to go to school,
Speaker 2: meaning like it's it's been a factor, and that's I
Speaker 2: don't mean that's never changing. So I don't know. I
Speaker 2: just this. I think I look at this a little
Speaker 2: bit different than most because when I see them not
Speaker 2: even being able to enforce what they want to enforce
Speaker 2: in schools, clearly right now are just doing whatever they
Speaker 2: want and hoping that they don't get caught, and if
Speaker 2: they do, they probably feel pretty good about hiring a
Speaker 2: lawyer and saying, look, you're not allowed to tell us,
Speaker 2: and we can't do that or punish us. It's like,
Speaker 2: at what points NSAA just decide, Look, we're going to
Speaker 2: get out of the business at the highest level, meaning
Speaker 2: we serve a purpose to Division two and Division three
Speaker 2: and non revenue sports. But when it comes to what
Speaker 2: is I mean, it's been pro sports for a while now,
Speaker 2: but now it's pro sports on steroids and it's in
Speaker 2: your face, meaning all the money that is going to
Speaker 2: be flowing in to these universities because they got bills
Speaker 2: to pay, they got players to pay now, and you're
Speaker 2: gonna also need a healthy NIL situation as well, because
Speaker 2: you know what, NIL is going to be the real
Speaker 2: cherry on top, right, it's going to be the signing
Speaker 2: bonus that really maybe puts you over the edge with
Speaker 2: another school to where they're gonna pick you. I mean,
Speaker 2: Ohio State. I believe they were the first program to
Speaker 2: come out in some form or fashion. I doubt it
Speaker 2: was like a press release from their athletic director, but
Speaker 2: they were not at all shy about saying, yeah, well,
Speaker 2: we're going to be allowed to pay twenty two million
Speaker 2: dollars annually the student athletes, just like every other school.
Speaker 2: And we're committing to do exactly that, because if you're
Speaker 2: not doing that, you know, good luck. What are you doing?
Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to win and you want
Speaker 2: to compete at a high level, you got to pay players,
Speaker 2: and you now aren't being forced to, but you're now
Speaker 2: allowed to and everybody knows that. And if you choose
Speaker 2: not to, or you just simply can't because you don't
Speaker 2: have the money, I mean, good luck. But the reason
Speaker 2: I bring up Ohio State is because they have a
Speaker 2: lot of money already. In fact, the numbers that came
Speaker 2: out about what they paid for their team last year
Speaker 2: what they paid for their team this year, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's insane. But then again, it's Ohio State. They're one
Speaker 2: of the very few programs that probably can operate with
Speaker 2: the belief they have unlimited money, meaning that if they
Speaker 2: forget low, they'll find new money. Because it's Ohio State.
Speaker 2: I mean, their athletic director is now coming out and
Speaker 2: saying this was an article I read over at FootballScoop
Speaker 2: dot com today, Ross Shork, the new ad at Ohio State,
Speaker 2: says that they're evaluating all new revenue opportunities that could
Speaker 2: include naming rights to Ohio State Stadium. Quote, we have
Speaker 2: to put everything on the table, naming rights of the stadium,
Speaker 2: the jersey patches of conversation. So I mean there's got
Speaker 2: to be a breakoff at some point. Right. We've been
Speaker 2: saying that forever, but we said that long before any
Speaker 2: of this stuff in the last few years became real. Right.
Speaker 2: What I mean by that is there was talk about
Speaker 2: the bigger brand programs out there separating themselves from the
Speaker 2: rest of the NC DOUBLEA before ANIL, before the portal,
Speaker 2: And now you have that, and now you've got schools
Speaker 2: going to be on the hook for paying these guys
Speaker 2: as well, and you have an NC double A again
Speaker 2: the op you know, the umbrella that everybody's underneath, right,
Speaker 2: And they don't even have the ability to enforce anything,
Speaker 2: and they don't even have the resources to attempt to
Speaker 2: enforce things, right, So I'm sure they're just going to
Speaker 2: keep on keeping on and acting like, you know, everything's normal,
Speaker 2: because that's what the n S DOUAA does. But something's
Speaker 2: got to give at some point, because if they can't
Speaker 2: enforce anything, what's their purpose, Like, what are they like
Speaker 2: what are they, what are they needed for? And what
Speaker 2: I say when I say that again, I mean at
Speaker 2: the top. I don't mean for non revenue sports or
Speaker 2: in you know, Division two, Division three, because they do
Speaker 2: serve a purpose there. But that's a different world. And
Speaker 2: that's what has always been one of the dumbest things
Speaker 2: the nc DOUABLEA ever did. They wanted you to think
Speaker 2: that it was all the same. But the division the
Speaker 2: Division two lacrosse player, he's just like the Heisman quarterback
Speaker 2: that's coming back to college for his junior year. They're
Speaker 2: all student athletes. No, it's not the same thing. You
Speaker 2: got no offense to the Division too lacrosse player or whatever.
Speaker 2: Non revenue sports like, they're not like those. Those pro
Speaker 2: don't generate any money. They cost money. Whereas you've got
Speaker 2: a Heisman quarterback who if he comes back to school
Speaker 2: and he's in the world where there's no nil, you
Speaker 2: know how much money that school and the n DOUAA
Speaker 2: is going to be able to make off of him.
Speaker 2: I mean using his name, image likeness, right, because he's
Speaker 2: coming back to college and that's a big storyline that's
Speaker 2: going to get people to tune in. So it would
Speaker 2: be sad if like the NSABA just no longer, because again,
Speaker 2: that would change the tournament, but you could still have something.
Speaker 2: But then you've got to worry about Okay, well, if
Speaker 2: the big schools break off, like would we have a
Speaker 2: Cinderella anymore in the dance? Would it only be you know,
Speaker 2: the power four, power five, I should say in basketball,
Speaker 2: and that that kind of stuff would make me sad.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I've always believed and I don't
Speaker 2: have like a plan that I've put together to present
Speaker 2: anybody with any level of you know, say so. But
Speaker 2: like football, I think can be different. Like I think
Speaker 2: football at the highest level because it is honest. Let's
Speaker 2: be real, there's what three hundred and sixty something Division
Speaker 2: one schools the NUAA with basketball, Well you've got a
Speaker 2: ton of FCS schools that are D one in basketball,
Speaker 2: but their FCS in football, it's different. It's the lower level.
Speaker 2: And you've got what one hundred and thirty FBS teams,
Speaker 2: and those are I guess technically the Division I schools
Speaker 2: with your G four and now your G five and
Speaker 2: the handful of independence, Like maybe you could do it
Speaker 2: that way because the NAA tournament to me is something
Speaker 2: I would never want to see messed with. And honestly,
Speaker 2: the NAA tournament is what incentivizes the NC DOUBLEA to
Speaker 2: try to stay alive because that's how they make their money.
Speaker 2: That is, that's really how they can exist and give
Speaker 2: people jobs and give you know, what's the guy's name
Speaker 2: who's left there, Mark Emertt, give that guy, you know,
Speaker 2: millions annually and then you know, throw on a couple
Speaker 2: mill extra for an annual bonus. That guy was making
Speaker 2: insane money. But I'm just putting it out there that
Speaker 2: I won't be shocked if in the next year. So
Speaker 2: you just don't see the NCAA being because you got
Speaker 2: to keep in mind in this sum I should have mentioned,
Speaker 2: you know, before really diving in here in this segment
Speaker 2: about the whole thing, the NUAA doesn't own anything in
Speaker 2: college football. The college football National Championship Game is an
Speaker 2: ESPN owned event. The College Bable Playoff, I should say.
Speaker 2: Now again, now there's other partners involved since they've expanded it.
Speaker 2: But like the NC double A does not determine the
Speaker 2: national championship in college football at the highest level, this
Speaker 2: tournament does the playoff, and that is not an NC
Speaker 2: Double A sanctioned event that is, I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: it kind of is right because you know, it's college
Speaker 2: football programs playing. But like the NC DOUBLEA does not
Speaker 2: have a football version of the Big Dance, if that
Speaker 2: makes sense. So clearly they can still make money from
Speaker 2: the NUBLEA from you know, college football to an extent,
Speaker 2: but you know, the big big dollars from the TD
Speaker 2: rights deals and the college Football Playoff broadcast package. You know,
Speaker 2: obviously there's going to be different networks that have games. Now,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's not an NC double A thing. All right,
Speaker 2: let's get to a quick break. We'll come back on
Speaker 2: the other side. Get to the text line. Got some
Speaker 2: Louisville football stuff I want to get into as well.
Speaker 2: There's one name we haven't talked about a whole lot
Speaker 2: since he committed and became the highest rated signee in
Speaker 2: school history. But it sounds like there's some good momentum
Speaker 2: for this young man at fall camp, so we'll get
Speaker 2: into that. Also, I mentioned some Olympic stuff I want
Speaker 2: to take a look at. I'm not going to bore
Speaker 2: you by doing a metal count, because I mean, I'm sure,
Speaker 2: I mean, in fact, I know we're dominating. The United
Speaker 2: States is dominating when it comes to metal count. But
Speaker 2: there's some interesting stuff that's come out in regards to
Speaker 2: the coverage over there at the Olympics, and also just
Speaker 2: you know, my favorite part of the Olympics is the
Speaker 2: stories you get that really have nothing to do with
Speaker 2: the actual competition. But that's just me, So stick with us.
Speaker 2: We're taking you up till six o'clock right here on
Speaker 2: Sports Talk seven ninety. I'm as guilty as any fan
Speaker 2: of getting more optimistic for no real reason as you
Speaker 2: get closer and closer to football season starting. It's just
Speaker 2: what fans do, right. Your excitement gets to such a
Speaker 2: high level, it just turns into where the power you know,
Speaker 2: he just turns into the power of positivity taken over
Speaker 2: to where you know, you get a little extra on
Speaker 2: the homer. Noess, if that makes sense right? Like, you know,
Speaker 2: John is already thinking Signette's winning ten games this year
Speaker 2: in year one because we're getting closer and he's fired
Speaker 2: up for Signetti.
Speaker 3: That's half true.
Speaker 2: I will say this. I'm kidding.
Speaker 3: I have created a path, not even created, but I've
Speaker 3: convinced myself that if Indiana gets past UCLA in week three,
Speaker 3: that there's a path to be six and oh before
Speaker 3: I mean, oh yeah, as early as it ever been.
Speaker 3: Don't think they'rever have been six and oh.
Speaker 2: And that is exactly what I'm talking about. To where
Speaker 2: right now we got nothing right, camp's going on, or
Speaker 2: at least it's starting soon for some Louisve has already
Speaker 2: started camp. We know the schedule. You just hope nobody
Speaker 2: gets hurt until we actually get to some games. To
Speaker 2: where you're looking at, Okay, I was doing the same
Speaker 2: thing last year right with Louisville. Man, if they're undefeated
Speaker 2: when Notre Dame comes to town, which they were, you know,
Speaker 2: this is we're at that point of the year, right,
Speaker 2: We've exhausted all different ways when it comes to you know,
Speaker 2: looking at the schedule, the opponents, expectations, all that stuff's
Speaker 2: been talked about. Now it's just like, you know what,
Speaker 2: eight wins, No, we're getting nine, No, nine, maybe ten.
Speaker 2: So I've said it for a while now and I
Speaker 2: haven't My wind total number hasn't really fluctuated, right. I
Speaker 2: think eight is the floor, ten is the ceiling. But
Speaker 2: I'm well where they could maybe be better, and they
Speaker 2: could certainly be worse, like you just don't know. But
Speaker 2: the closer we get, the more just excited I am,
Speaker 2: and the more I feel like my thoughts on this
Speaker 2: team is even more legit. Now I could be totally wrong, right,
Speaker 2: maybe this team stakes highly doubt that's the case, but
Speaker 2: I really feel good about what Jeff Bram has to
Speaker 2: work with here from a personnel standpoint, And yes, the
Speaker 2: schedule is tougher, but as I've said many times, I
Speaker 2: think they have a chance to be a lot better
Speaker 2: offensively and they're going to be just as good, if
Speaker 2: not better, defensively. Now the question is quarterback play. Can
Speaker 2: can Shuck stay healthy? Is he going to gel with
Speaker 2: his weapons at receiver that are new? I mean, these
Speaker 2: guys have never played together before, so it's going to
Speaker 2: be new to them. But that didn't mean it can't work.
Speaker 2: But one guy that you know, I don't know how
Speaker 2: much he's going to be a factor on the defensive
Speaker 2: on the defensive line for Louisville this year, just because
Speaker 2: you know, technically he's supposed to be a high school
Speaker 2: Actually technically hes supposed to be a senior right now,
Speaker 2: or no, I'm sorry, excuse me. He's supposed to be
Speaker 2: a true freshman. But he's already been here a year
Speaker 2: in that name that I'm referring to as Tjkper. So
Speaker 2: this is a guy who last year decided to reclassify
Speaker 2: and he jumped up and skipped his senior year. This
Speaker 2: isn't a guy who reclassified back to his original class.
Speaker 2: He was here last year at Louisville, a part of
Speaker 2: the team as a kid that should have been a
Speaker 2: senior in high school. And I'll be honestly, I haven't
Speaker 2: heard that he was, you know, like there was any issue.
Speaker 2: But I remember after going through his first season this
Speaker 2: past year, we got to springball what four or five
Speaker 2: months ago in March, and Ron English, defensive coordinator for
Speaker 2: the Cards, did not have good things to say about TJ. Capers.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a guy who again highest rated
Speaker 2: kid to ever sign with louisvill football, higher rated than
Speaker 2: Michael Bush and Brian Brahm according to the twenty four
Speaker 2: seven Sports Rankings, higher than James Quick. I mean, this
Speaker 2: guy picked Louisville over Georgia, Miami, Colorado, and USC but
Speaker 2: he also had offers from Alabama, Ohio State, Penn State,
Speaker 2: Texas A and m Tennessee, Michigan, LSU, and others. So
Speaker 2: he's a big time get in by the way. He
Speaker 2: enrolled early. You know why, because when you commit to
Speaker 2: a school like Louisville over all those other schools, you
Speaker 2: know what, nil's probably a factor. And the quicker you
Speaker 2: get here, the quicker you can start making money and
Speaker 2: taking some of that nil money. So that's what he did.
Speaker 2: So in March, Ron English said this, and I'm reading
Speaker 2: directly from one of the recaps from the spring practices.
Speaker 2: In March, when talking about TJ. Capers, louis defensive coordinator,
Speaker 2: Ron English says, to say that I am disappointed into
Speaker 2: him would be an understatement. There's some things that we've
Speaker 2: asked of him to do and he just hasn't done
Speaker 2: it yet. So that led to a lot of people thinking, Okay,
Speaker 2: this kid, maybe he's maybe he's been in some trouble,
Speaker 2: maybe he's just not putting in work. I mean, there
Speaker 2: wasn't any I hadn't heard anything as far as anything
Speaker 2: he had done to get in trouble, as far as
Speaker 2: like breaking rules, but it just sounds like he wasn't
Speaker 2: putting in the work that they wanted him to put in.
Speaker 2: And you know that's unfortunate, but you got to keep
Speaker 2: in mind, this kid was supposed to be in high school.
Speaker 2: He was also coming off of an injury where he
Speaker 2: didn't play a lot of football in the year prior
Speaker 2: to joining Louisville again in the year he was supposed
Speaker 2: to be a high school senior. So I think it
Speaker 2: was Mark Ivy, louis defensive line coach as well as
Speaker 2: one of one of the one of the veteran players
Speaker 2: on the team. They were talking after practice. I think
Speaker 2: it was late last week that Capers is really really
Speaker 2: starting to come on and he's really starting to show,
Speaker 2: okay why he was a guy that some people thought
Speaker 2: was one of, if not the best players in the
Speaker 2: country at his position. So I don't know how much
Speaker 2: he's going to play this year, but I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: shocked if if he you know, I mean, I assume
Speaker 2: he'll get some reps, and I wouldn't be shocked if
Speaker 2: you see some flashes of a guy that, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: because that I feel like that happens from time to time.
Speaker 2: Maybe not as much around here because honestly, we don't
Speaker 2: get a whole lot of five star freshmen, but you'll
Speaker 2: see a kid and he'll make a big play and
Speaker 2: you'll think, Okay, well, you know what, that's not something
Speaker 2: you see every series for this guy on offense or defense,
Speaker 2: whatever position they play, but you'll see a flash of
Speaker 2: something that will let you know, Okay, that's why this
Speaker 2: kid could have picked any school in the country to
Speaker 2: go to, because he's got that kind of upside and talent.
Speaker 2: So I'm hoping TJ. Caper's is able to get on
Speaker 2: the field and make an impact because again we're talking
Speaker 2: about a guy who is the highest rated ranked recruit ever.
Speaker 2: Now again, maybe there's some rankings out there in recruiting
Speaker 2: that have it differently, but still, I mean, that's it's
Speaker 2: a guy that you don't get very often, and you
Speaker 2: probably had to use a lot of nil resources to
Speaker 2: get set players, so you know, you wanted to work
Speaker 2: out and it sounds like initially that was a concern,
Speaker 2: but now he's he's heading in the right direction. But
Speaker 2: he's like he's playing in front of guys that are
Speaker 2: fifth years, some some guys are six year seniors. I mean,
Speaker 2: and he's he's he's a guy who technically was is
Speaker 2: supposed to be an incoming freshman right now. But he
Speaker 2: was here a year ago, and if anything, it sounds
Speaker 2: like that was a learning experience from him because he
Speaker 2: wasn't doing what the coaches needed and wanted him to
Speaker 2: do once spring ball started. But it sounds like since
Speaker 2: they've been in camp, and I guess really since spring ended,
Speaker 2: he's been putting in the work that you that you
Speaker 2: want to see. All right, So real quick, the annual
Speaker 2: NFL player votes have come in. It's the end of
Speaker 2: let me let me just double check here, because I
Speaker 2: I think they do top one hundred, but there's so
Speaker 2: many players in the NFL, I feel like they would
Speaker 2: do more than two hundred. But yeah, over the last
Speaker 2: few days, the NFL's annual list of the t one
Speaker 2: players in the league, voted on by players of the league,
Speaker 2: was released, and I mean, I think the most talked
Speaker 2: about snub is that Patrick Mahomes was not voted as
Speaker 2: the number one quarterback. He was number two outside of
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. Now, if you're just basing it off of
Speaker 2: like MVP awards and that kind of stuff, then yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, Lamar's coming off of an NFL MVP Season
Speaker 2: one and for the second time. But I gotta admit,
Speaker 2: like I'm surprised that Lamar's is one. I'm surprised. I mean,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been shocked if Lamar came in at
Speaker 2: like number three or four, because these are NFL players
Speaker 2: telling you who they think the best is. And maybe
Speaker 2: there's some pettiness involved, maybe there's some jealousy involved. I
Speaker 2: don't know, But again, I think this is as valuable
Speaker 2: as anything you see as far as ranking players, because
Speaker 2: these are guys who are in your line of work, right,
Speaker 2: these are your peers and your profession. So Lamar came
Speaker 2: in at one, Patrick Mahomes number two, Josh Allen number three,
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts number four, Dak Prescott number five, c J.
Speaker 2: Stroud number six, Brock Purty number seven, Jordan Love number
Speaker 2: eight to number nine, and then Burrow number ten. That
Speaker 2: really shocked me to see Burrow fall that far. So
Speaker 2: the question I have, and again we want we won't
Speaker 2: find out the actual answer to this, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: there's not just one specific answer, But does Mahomes not
Speaker 2: being number one, does it say more about jealousy? Maybe
Speaker 2: because I don't get the sense that Mahomes doesn't come
Speaker 2: in respect from his peers in the NFL. I think
Speaker 2: he's respected as a competitor. I think he's respected as
Speaker 2: a great player because he is exactly that. Although last
Speaker 2: year I kind of feel like we saw him melting
Speaker 2: down more than we previously did, crying to the refs
Speaker 2: more than we used to, throwing a hissy fit on
Speaker 2: the sideline because they weren't going to be able to
Speaker 2: host in the playoffs for the first time. But you know,
Speaker 2: if that's if that's a one time thing, then you know,
Speaker 2: I'd say he gets a pass. Or maybe it's NFL
Speaker 2: players that believe he's super talented, right, they didn't leave
Speaker 2: him off the list, they just didn't put it in
Speaker 2: number one when I feel like most people objectively would
Speaker 2: tell you that Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback in
Speaker 2: the NFL. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but I feel
Speaker 2: like most people would say that if they're gonna be
Speaker 2: honest and fair. So maybe the NFL players they realize
Speaker 2: his talent and what he can do, but they think
Speaker 2: maybe he benefits a whole lot from the weapons he
Speaker 2: has to throw to, like Travis Kelcey, who's been you know,
Speaker 2: one of the many weapons he's had, and he also
Speaker 2: benefits from coaching or from being coached by Andy Reid,
Speaker 2: who's phenomenal or does it speak more than anything to
Speaker 2: the respect that Lamar Jackson has from his peers in
Speaker 2: the NFL. This is the second time Lamar has been
Speaker 2: named the number one quarterback in the NFL by you know,
Speaker 2: players in the NFL. So these rankings are really kind
Speaker 2: of stupid because it comes down to Super Bowl wins,
Speaker 2: and unfortunately, there are quarterbacks that are great, phenomenal but
Speaker 2: never won a Super Bowl, and that gets brought up
Speaker 2: when you talk about their career. I mean, right or wrong,
Speaker 2: fair or not, That's just how it is. So if
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson collects four more MVP Awards but he never
Speaker 2: gets a Super Bowl and Mahomes gets a few more
Speaker 2: of them, the legacy is going to be quite different
Speaker 2: for those two guys. And I can't say that that's
Speaker 2: like unfair because obviously winning the ultimate prize, which is
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl, should be heavily valued when considering guys
Speaker 2: that are, you know, at the top of their position.
Speaker 2: But I just I don't know, like I'm as big
Speaker 2: of a Lamar Jackson fan as anybody to see him
Speaker 2: come back last year, after all the controversy and guards
Speaker 2: to his contract and no agent, he came back healthy
Speaker 2: and was phenomenal again, won the MVP Award for the
Speaker 2: second time, and he really didn't have much competition for
Speaker 2: being honest, and he made it further in the playoffs
Speaker 2: than he's ever made it. And you know who, he
Speaker 2: ran into, Mahomes and the Chiefs. And I kind of
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of teams that run into Mahomes
Speaker 2: and the Chiefs in the NFL playoffs for the foreseeable future,
Speaker 2: it's gonna have They're gonna have tough time getting around
Speaker 2: the Chiefs because that's a dynasty right there. It is.
Speaker 2: But I just I would have I would have expected
Speaker 2: Lamar to be a little bit further down. But hey,
Speaker 2: I mean, good for him. Again. I don't think there's
Speaker 2: anything that can make you feel more honored in your
Speaker 2: and I don't want to get like corny, but like
Speaker 2: if you are someone that works as part of a
Speaker 2: team and you're not, you know, on a team like
Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens and the National Football League, you're on
Speaker 2: a team at work doing whatever it is that you do.
Speaker 2: And you know if you' or peers those that you
Speaker 2: work with some guys you work with super close, maybe
Speaker 2: some people you know they're in a different department kind
Speaker 2: of like a different team within the NFL, and and
Speaker 2: they voted you as the best at what you do
Speaker 2: in your line of work. Like that should that that
Speaker 2: should make you feel amazing because those are people that
Speaker 2: are doing what you do right. And I don't mean
Speaker 2: I don't say that to act like people who've never
Speaker 2: played in the NFL their opinion should never matter it,
Speaker 2: you know, because I think that's silly.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Obviously, if you've been there and you've been in the trenches,
Speaker 2: you've been in the game, you've been in the locker room,
Speaker 2: clearly you have you have insight and experience that someone
Speaker 2: like myself would never have. But like you know, I
Speaker 2: I know enough about the sport to watch it to
Speaker 2: at least have an opinion. Doesn't mean that yours is,
Speaker 2: you know, right or wrong. It's just it's it's just different.
Speaker 2: But I think Donovan Mitchell, if you guys remember whenever
Speaker 2: he won the NBA Rookie of the Year award, he
Speaker 2: didn't win the actual award because that went to the
Speaker 2: red shirt rookie that was been Simmons at the time,
Speaker 2: who wasn't actually a rookie, but he was, and that
Speaker 2: was kind of controversial. But then Donovan he won the
Speaker 2: NBA Players Association Award for Rookie of the Year that
Speaker 2: was voted on by the league, and I remember thinking, like,
Speaker 2: you know what, man like when when people talk about
Speaker 2: the Rookie of the Year during the twenty sixteen and
Speaker 2: seventeen Sorry, I guess it was the twenty seventeen eighteen
Speaker 2: NBA season, They're gonna look at the actual award that
Speaker 2: Ben Simmons got. But man, it actually means more. I
Speaker 2: would think if the players who I play against and
Speaker 2: I compete against every night, if they gave me that honor.
Speaker 2: I can't believe Joe Burrow came in at number ten.
Speaker 2: That really that really fed me because of the haircut.
Speaker 2: Could be I don't know. I mean, I know that
Speaker 2: rock Perties is better than some people give him credit for,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. I don't he ain't better than
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. And I know CJ. Stroud was sensational last
Speaker 2: year for the Texans, and I'm worried about him because
Speaker 2: I think he could be the future of the AFC
Speaker 2: South but I don't know, man like to see. I mean,
Speaker 2: Burrow took the frickin' Bengals to the Super Bowl. Come
Speaker 2: on now, that alone should should put him in the
Speaker 2: top five. I feel like, all right, quick break, we'll
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Speaker 2: wrap up the four o'clock hour on a Tuesday afternoon.
Speaker 2: Don't forget, though, we take you up till six o'clock
Speaker 2: every day, So hangout. Still a lot more to get into.
Speaker 2: But one of the most talked about things right now
Speaker 2: in college football, without really any varying opinions, seemingly is
Speaker 2: the situation with Connor Stallions and the sience stealer that
Speaker 2: helped Michigan football really turn the corner under Jim Harball.
Speaker 2: And this is one of those things that I'm assuming
Speaker 2: is real and I've tried to go back and see
Speaker 2: if there's anybody that's referenced this, you know, to because
Speaker 2: I could see this being a made up number that
Speaker 2: everybody runs with. But I don't think that it is
Speaker 2: so Jim Harball, before he relied on the help of
Speaker 2: Connor Stallions at Michigan, his record was forty nine and
Speaker 2: twenty six. After utilizing Connor Stallions, as you know, a spy,
Speaker 2: essentially forty and three. I mean, that's insane. It is insane,
Speaker 2: and it makes me wonder like is it you know,
Speaker 2: is is it actually real? And when I say that,
Speaker 2: there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of varying
Speaker 2: opinions on it if you're not a Michigan fan. Like
Speaker 2: we all know, this was clearly an elaborate plan to
Speaker 2: cheat and give yourself an advantage that other teams would
Speaker 2: not have the notice of allegations from the NC DOUBLEA.
Speaker 2: It's a big, juicy story. It's a defending Now it's
Speaker 2: the reigning national champs that are now being they're about
Speaker 2: to be given a notice of allegations from the NC DOUBLEA. Now,
Speaker 2: I think the N double A, seingly having less power
Speaker 2: now than ever, has kind of lightened the anticipation here.
Speaker 2: As far as what's gonna happen with Michigan, I don't
Speaker 2: think anybody really expects much at all to happen because
Speaker 2: they've already won it, and if they want to vacate it,
Speaker 2: who cares? What are you gonna do to Jim Harbaugh. He's
Speaker 2: in the NFL, he ran away, So you know, I
Speaker 2: just I'm not somebody that just wants to see Michigan
Speaker 2: get buried, because I don't really care. I'm not a
Speaker 2: Michigan fan by any means. You know, they clearly cheated,
Speaker 2: and you know if they get a punishment, and they
Speaker 2: get a punishment, but like, it's just wild to see
Speaker 2: how this whole thing unfolded. And I don't know what
Speaker 2: we really should expect from this Netflix documentary that's about
Speaker 2: to come out. It's part of Netflix's Untold Sports documentary series,
Speaker 2: which all of them have been great. I think this
Speaker 2: will be great as well. But I guess more than anything,
Speaker 2: for me, I just want to hear what this guy says.
Speaker 2: I mean the trailer. I mean, let's see if there
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a trailer out here. Can we can
Speaker 2: reference from Netflix? Because they've started to Uh, I mean
Speaker 2: they've started to tease it a little bit, and it's
Speaker 2: coming out. I mean it'll be out this month, I think,
Speaker 2: or maybe it's September. Yeah, this is let's see here. Well,
Speaker 2: it looks like uh, it looks like a tweet has
Speaker 2: been deleted from the official Netflix account. Oh no, this
Speaker 2: was uh, let's see, this was. Let me see. I'm
Speaker 2: curious here. Yeah, it says it's been deleted because somebody
Speaker 2: who runs the site Awful Announcing, which does a lot
Speaker 2: of sports media coverage, they shared this tweet that again
Speaker 2: has now been deleted from Netflix. It says the Netflix
Speaker 2: doc on Connor Stallion shows three people who set for interviews,
Speaker 2: a reporter Stallions himself, and Dave Portnoy of Barstool Sports,
Speaker 2: who is a Michigan alum and a big time Michigan fan.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I mean, you gotta wonder the
Speaker 2: Big Ten in Michigan. I believe I know. The Big
Speaker 2: Ten has said that they were not a part of this,
Speaker 2: meaning they didn't like they didn't they didn't participate in
Speaker 2: the documentary or even be asked about it. Somebody that
Speaker 2: was a spokesman for the league said that now Michigan.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they were asked and they decided
Speaker 2: not to talk. But like, if Netflix is out here
Speaker 2: deleting the trailer that you know, I now can't seem
Speaker 2: to find it kind of makes me wonder, you know,
Speaker 2: did they get hit up with like a hey, you
Speaker 2: better be careful before you put that out there, because
Speaker 2: nobody can corroborate what this Stallions guy's saying. Maybe he's
Speaker 2: making it all up. I don't know, Like I get
Speaker 2: I do get the sense that Michigan's probably nervous and
Speaker 2: worried because Stallions has never talked publicly and this will
Speaker 2: be the first time any of us hear him. And
Speaker 2: now I'm trying to see if you know, maybe I've
Speaker 2: just you know, I've just here we go. This is
Speaker 2: well now they're showing then I can't play Becau's got
Speaker 2: a bunch of curse words in it. But they the
Speaker 2: trailers that they put out, it's not just for the
Speaker 2: Connor Stallion sign Steeler documentary. It's also for the series
Speaker 2: on looks like Hope Solo, as well as the one
Speaker 2: they're doing on Steve McNair. And thank you for subtitles Netflix,
Speaker 2: because I would have just played this because it does
Speaker 2: show some people, you know, some snippets of the interviews
Speaker 2: about the Stallion's thing, but there was clearly some efwords.
Speaker 2: So anyways, I cannot wait to see what is actually
Speaker 2: in this, and I'm trying not to get my hopes
Speaker 2: of because it could still be really well done worth watching,
Speaker 2: but not be juicy, not be like, oh wow, can
Speaker 2: you believe he really laid out how they made all
Speaker 2: this happen. He told us who actually paid him money
Speaker 2: to go do this? So yeah, August the twentieth is
Speaker 2: when is when these three new episodes, three new stories
Speaker 2: dropped from Untold, So we still got a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks before that happens. But man, I'm curious if we
Speaker 2: start to get any kind of leak, any kind of info,
Speaker 2: because you know, everybody who covers college football is going
Speaker 2: to be staying up at midnight when that drops. It'll
Speaker 2: probably actually be three eight I remember this whenever the
Speaker 2: Wrestlers show dropped. If it's a release on Netflix on
Speaker 2: a day, it'll be Pacific times, so you actually have
Speaker 2: to stay up till three am Eastern to watch it,
Speaker 2: which I'm not going to do that for the Connor Stallions,
Speaker 2: but college football reporters will, they'll watch it, report on it,
Speaker 2: and go from there because they're going to get information
Speaker 2: seemingly from Stallions that none nobody has so.
Speaker 3: And it'll be four days before the first college football.
Speaker 2: Game, and I, you know, I can't really check the
Speaker 2: pulse as far as what people are expecting to come
Speaker 2: from this. But this is just unusual. Right. We've got
Speaker 2: a team fresh off a national championship. We all know
Speaker 2: they cheated to you know, to and we'll never know
Speaker 2: the exact amount of advantage they had based off what
Speaker 2: they did, but clearly like what they did was an
Speaker 2: elaborate plan to give themselves an advantage over other teams. Right,
Speaker 2: if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. But now their
Speaker 2: coach is gone, the guy who was at the head
Speaker 2: of it, nobody's heard from. He went Andre McGee and
Speaker 2: went completely silent, although you know he reappeared to talk
Speaker 2: to these Netflix people and now we'll see what he
Speaker 2: has to say. And again, trying not to get my
Speaker 2: hopes up, but there's part of me that says, you
Speaker 2: don't put this documentary together if he's not gonna talk
Speaker 2: about what happened, like you would be a waste of time.
Speaker 2: And I know last year they did that kind of
Speaker 2: with the with the Tim Tebow thing, like everybody expected
Speaker 2: it to be like stories about Hernandez when he was
Speaker 2: at Florida and all the other guys that were, you know,
Speaker 2: arrested for crimes, and it really wasn't that. It was
Speaker 2: really honestly a puff piece about Harball or not Harball
Speaker 2: but urban Meyer. But again, Tim Tebow and urban Meyer
Speaker 2: are interesting enough people to where you would still go
Speaker 2: through and put together a documentary highlighting that great run
Speaker 2: in Florida. Nobody knows what el Connor Stallions is, so
Speaker 2: if he's not gonna tell us anything.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2: It make no sense. All right, quick break, we'll come
Speaker 2: back five o'clock hour on the other side. Stick with
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