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Speaker 4: Good Evening. Rochester, New York is known for many things,
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Speaker 4: This heavily illustrated book covers some of the most spectacular
Speaker 4: crimes in the Rochester their area's history. Written by true
Speaker 4: crime master Michael Benson, who grew up in the town
Speaker 4: of Chilai. Read about serial killers Arthur Shawcross and Robert
Speaker 4: Bruce Bahalski, the savage murders of Kathy Bernhardt and George
Speaker 4: Anne Formacola, the All in the Family murders of Tabitha
Speaker 4: Tabitha Bryant and Jim Tann, The hunt for Bucky Phillips,
Speaker 4: the disappearance of Flossy Wilbur, plus much more, and many
Speaker 4: shocking photos. The book they we're featuring this evening is
Speaker 4: Rochester's Most Startling Crimes with my special guest, journalist and
Speaker 4: author Michael Benson. Welcome back to the program. Thank you
Speaker 4: once again, Michael Benson.
Speaker 3: Thanks Dan for having me.
Speaker 4: Thank you once again. You've done it again with Rochester's
Speaker 4: Most Startling Crimes. Incredible jam packed with nothing but incredible,
Speaker 4: almost unbelievable murder cases and stories. Congratulations, Well, thank you
Speaker 4: very much. Let's start.
Speaker 3: There's a pipe of the laugh of my pandemic books.
Speaker 3: That area host pandemic books.
Speaker 4: Now, wow, incredible, incredible efforts you did during that pandemic.
Speaker 4: You how many books did you have published?
Speaker 3: Four or five? There's a couple in the can that
Speaker 3: won't come out until next year from Kensington Press. But yeah, incredible.
Speaker 3: Can you just stick me in a house with a
Speaker 3: typewriter I will write.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about this Rochester's Most Starling Crimes. Obviously they're
Speaker 4: centered around Rochester and your experiences and growing up in
Speaker 4: the area and writing about this area. Now for quite
Speaker 4: a while, let's talk about the contents of this book here,
Speaker 4: Rochester's Most Starling Crimes.
Speaker 3: Well, we start off with the the murder of Charlie Kann,
Speaker 3: I think you. Two stories in the book feature murder
Speaker 3: victims who, for the life of me, I could not
Speaker 3: find anyone to say anything nice about them, at least
Speaker 3: popular people around. Charlie Tann was one FOSSi open with
Speaker 3: the other. But Charlie Tann was apparently a new man
Speaker 3: who ran his own company, had a lot of money,
Speaker 3: and tried to run his home in the same way
Speaker 3: and was abusive to his wife and children until on
Speaker 3: January twenty eighth, twenty fifteen, his fifty two year old wife, Jean,
Speaker 3: called nine to one one and complained that her husband
Speaker 3: had choked her and was trying to kill her. The
Speaker 3: woman had just managed to say her address, which was
Speaker 3: in a really upscale street in Rochester suburb of Pittsford,
Speaker 3: when the dispatcher heard a shuffling noise and then a
Speaker 3: male voice came on the phone and said, you'll have
Speaker 3: to excuse my wife. She's very childish. There is no
Speaker 3: emergency here. The first time he's encountered a man who
Speaker 3: used the word childish to describe his wife because she
Speaker 3: was calling nine one one on him. Now, dispatcher didn't
Speaker 3: like it at all and sent a sheriff's deputy anyway,
Speaker 3: and when the deputy got there, Gene Tan declined to
Speaker 3: have her husband arrested, which is what usually happens, and
Speaker 3: the ancident could hardly be regarded as a one off
Speaker 3: because it was the seventeenth time the Sheriff's office had
Speaker 3: been called to the tannhouse, dating back to two thousand
Speaker 3: and three. Now a week later, Jeane and Jim's nineteen
Speaker 3: year old son, Charles Tan, begins behaving unusually. This is
Speaker 3: February fifth, twenty fifteenth, and the same day his friend
Speaker 3: Whitney Nickerbarker purchased a shotgun and child has a series
Speaker 3: of meetings and meals with old friends, and he's exuding
Speaker 3: an uncomfortable feeling that he's saying goodbye, and this troubles
Speaker 3: his friends. At eight forty on February fifteenth, Jim Tann,
Speaker 3: that's the dad, send his final email to an employee
Speaker 3: at Dynamax, his company, and that was the last anyone
Speaker 3: heard from him. An hour and twenty minutes after the
Speaker 3: email was sent, Charlie, his son, meets up with a friend,
Speaker 3: Jacob Grossman. Seems very anxious and says to Jacob that
Speaker 3: he's going to have to be leaving the country well.
Speaker 3: Charld's behavior was so abnormal that Grossman took it upon
Speaker 3: himself to call nine to one and suggested that the
Speaker 3: Sheriff's deep heeds go over to the tent house make
Speaker 3: sure everything's okay, and when Deputy William Connell gets to
Speaker 3: the house, they speak to Charlie, who has calmed down
Speaker 3: and says his dad's not home, at which point Charlie
Speaker 3: Canada and stays for a couple of days, but by
Speaker 3: February nine he's back in Pittsford with his mom, and
Speaker 3: around dinner time, an email is sent to his fraternity
Speaker 3: brothers saying he's going to be having some trouble in
Speaker 3: the near future. He's waiting a visit from the authorities,
Speaker 3: and minutes later, Charles' mom picks up the phone and
Speaker 3: makes the eighteenth and final nine one one call from
Speaker 3: the can home. She says, my son, my husband, he
Speaker 3: was trying to protect me. My husband was trying to
Speaker 3: torture me. Deputy Christopher Cooper is the first responder gets
Speaker 3: over to the house, which is very impressive two thousand
Speaker 3: seven hud square foot colonial. Charlie is outside waiting he's
Speaker 3: ordered to the ground, handcuffed, tells the police that the
Speaker 3: body's upstairs in his dad's office and the gun is
Speaker 3: in the garage. Now, sure enough, Jim Tann's dead from
Speaker 3: multiple shotgun blasts. I've been shot in the chest, arm, neck,
Speaker 3: and face. He's a pile of clothes and coagulated gore, basically,
Speaker 3: but there's a surprise. There are indications of decomposition. The
Speaker 3: deputy expected a corpse, but a fresh one, and Jim
Speaker 3: Cann has been dead for some time. So in the
Speaker 3: case becomes truly exceptional. Charlie Tan appears in court and
Speaker 3: it becomes apparent he has a sizeable fan club. His
Speaker 3: supporters call out to him, they pledge their love and
Speaker 3: allegiance with his cause, and it comes clear to prosecutors
Speaker 3: that any attempt to prosecute Charlie Tan is gonna have
Speaker 3: to deal with his supporters. And there are many. And
Speaker 3: someone said, well, it's just like Charlie Manson with his
Speaker 3: Manson family, But it wasn't, because the Manson family was
Speaker 3: on drugs and they were weird. Of Charlie Kan's fans
Speaker 3: were like the best and the brightest kids in Monroe County,
Speaker 3: as was Charlie Tan. You know, everybody you talked to
Speaker 3: him said, hey, Charlie Kan's not a good kid, He's
Speaker 3: a great kid. So District Attorney's office knew that sooner
Speaker 3: or later they're gonna have to deal with the sentiment.
Speaker 3: And it was pervasive that Charlie Tan killed his father
Speaker 3: because his father needed killing. And then there was aspect
Speaker 3: of the time, the way. Now it wasn't just that
Speaker 3: it was a gruesome killing or why it was done,
Speaker 3: the odipule nature of it. But Charlie shot his dad
Speaker 3: long before his mother called nine to one one. Their
Speaker 3: mom was living with the body. So in the past,
Speaker 3: warriors had successfully defended women who had been accused of
Speaker 3: killing their husbands, saying that their clients suffered from battered
Speaker 3: spouse syndrome. But did that syndrome transfer to the woman's child?
Speaker 3: That was the question the jury in this case was
Speaker 3: going to have to answer. You know, psychologists waded in.
Speaker 3: They likened the Charlie's experiences to a veteran who spends
Speaker 3: too long in a war zone. It might have been
Speaker 3: post traumatic stress that caused him to kill his dad, ah,
Speaker 3: but wouldn't prolong trauma also negatively influence a person's behavior. Well,
Speaker 3: in Charlie's case, maybe not so much, because he was
Speaker 3: a popular person and an excellent student, and to disassociate
Speaker 3: himself with the hell that his home life was, he
Speaker 3: overachieved and this fairly common compensation for a troubled home life.
Speaker 3: Now at the trial, now the prosecution is introduced into
Speaker 3: evidence a list taken from Jeanne's purse listing several criminal
Speaker 3: defense attorneys. So she was thinking about defense even before
Speaker 3: she called the police. And during the defense's final argument
Speaker 3: to the jury, they brought up for the first time
Speaker 3: the possibility that Charlie's mother, jean had fired the fatal shot.
Speaker 3: She had the same mode of an opportunity as he saw.
Speaker 3: And then the lawyer pauses, says, no, she had more
Speaker 3: of a motive and more of an opportunity to pull
Speaker 3: the trigger. Well that the trial ends up in a mistrial.
Speaker 3: The deliberation by the jury is called short by Judge
Speaker 3: pan Piano in an unusual way that the Jersey are saying, no,
Speaker 3: we're making progress, now, we'll get this done. And yet
Speaker 3: he calls a mistrial and orders the trial reheld. Afterwards,
Speaker 3: the jury said that we were leaning to acquit, So
Speaker 3: it means that the judge probably pulled the plug for
Speaker 3: fear that there was going to be an acquittal and
Speaker 3: Charlie was going to walk free. Now what happened after
Speaker 3: that even more bizarre. Charlie goes back to Canada and
Speaker 3: when he comes back into the country for a special event,
Speaker 3: he's arrested by the federal government and for gun charges,
Speaker 3: and he's convicted of that trial and sentenced to twenty
Speaker 3: years in federal penitentiary for the shotgun. It's a large,
Speaker 3: large sentence for a gun charge. It's more like they
Speaker 3: were trying to get back at him for getting away
Speaker 3: with murder, which is how I since they felt about it,
Speaker 3: and the appeals were just beginning and the pandemic began,
Speaker 3: and presumably there will be Charlie Tann court appearances in
Speaker 3: the future as the trier, perhaps less in the federal charges,
Speaker 3: if not getting him off entirely. That was the first story.
Speaker 3: That's that's exciting enough that there's what's sixth sevenister in
Speaker 3: the book.
Speaker 4: You talk about the next chapter. It's called Arty, and
Speaker 4: you tell you're referring to Arthur Shawcross and we've spoken
Speaker 4: about him and his crimes before. We can't go through
Speaker 4: that entire story, but just give us a brief synopsis
Speaker 4: of the chapter that is already itself to some of
Speaker 4: the features of this extraordinary criminal.
Speaker 3: Well, we have spoken about Arthur Show across the past
Speaker 3: because he is a suspect in the nineteen sixty six
Speaker 3: murders of George and Formacola and Kathy Bernhard. And one
Speaker 3: of the reasons he's such a good suspect for those
Speaker 3: crimes is that he came to Rochester in the early seventies.
Speaker 3: He had been arrested in Watertown, New York, where he
Speaker 3: grew up, and he murdered two children, a little boy
Speaker 3: and a little girl. And because of courtroom vagaries and
Speaker 3: weirdnesses and deals and this, and that he was charged
Speaker 3: with only one of the murders, killed two kids, was
Speaker 3: only charged with one of them and ended up being
Speaker 3: sentenced only ten years and was never tried for the
Speaker 3: other crime. So here is he's done ten years. He's
Speaker 3: a child killer, and they want to release him back
Speaker 3: into the world. New York State Department of Corrections had
Speaker 3: a problem. They kept putting him in little towns. They
Speaker 3: were similar to the towns he grew up in. Where
Speaker 3: they thought he'd thrived. But the instant somebody found out
Speaker 3: who he was, there would be you know, near riots.
Speaker 3: He was chased out of town three or four times,
Speaker 3: at least once by a potential lynch mob.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the Department of Correction had something with this guy,
Speaker 3: so they dropped him in downtown Rochester and didn't even
Speaker 3: tell the Rochester police he was there.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: So what followed was so predictable and maybe even if
Speaker 3: you've been nipped in the butt, if the authority said
Speaker 3: spoken to one another instead of trying to just ditch
Speaker 3: this guy because he's a problem in a place where
Speaker 3: maybe nobody will ask any questions. So, yeah, the trouble
Speaker 3: started September eleventh, nineteen eighty eight. That's first murder. That's
Speaker 3: Anna Marie Stephen or no, his first murder is Dorothy
Speaker 3: Mrie Dotcy Blackburn, twenty seven years old, and most of
Speaker 3: his victims from then on are there. There are sex workers,
Speaker 3: street women, not exclusively. One of them was just mentally
Speaker 3: disabled and a friend of his, but there were women
Speaker 3: he could easily get into his car and then take
Speaker 3: them someplace and kill them. He left the first few
Speaker 3: bodies in near bodies of water. The first one was
Speaker 3: near Salmon Creek in Northampton Park of the town of Sweden,
Speaker 3: which is a suburb of Rochester. Second one was along
Speaker 3: the banks of the river the Genesee River Gorge, as
Speaker 3: was the third. There were from then on a few
Speaker 3: murdst near the river, not necessarily down in the embankments
Speaker 3: to the gorge, but near the at the top of
Speaker 3: the gorge. He killed Patty Eyes, killed June Stotts.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: Scott's was the one who was neither a street walker
Speaker 3: nor a drug addict, but she was a slow and
Speaker 3: perhaps slightly schizophrenic woman who ended up going down to
Speaker 3: the river's bank with Artie and ended up dead. Weirdness.
Speaker 3: He removed her vagina and claimed to have later eaten it,
Speaker 3: which again tied in with nineteen sixty six because of
Speaker 3: the sexual mutilation of those bodies. Maria Welch twenty two
Speaker 3: was next November nineteen eighty nine. You know, she had
Speaker 3: the letters l O VEE and the knuckles of her
Speaker 3: left hand. Franny Brown of Otis Street in Rochester, she's next.
Speaker 3: The person who founder was praying that it was all
Speaker 3: new a mannequin, but he knew it wasn't a twenty
Speaker 3: nine year old Elizabeth Liz Gibson No. Twenty fifth, nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty nine. They're coming along much quicker now. He found
Speaker 3: what he likes to do, and he's doing it regularly,
Speaker 3: and we get to Darling, Trippy, June Cicero, Felicia Stevens,
Speaker 3: and then a jogger finds the final victims' boots in
Speaker 3: a park and by this time the police know they
Speaker 3: have a serial killer who's killing sex workers for the
Speaker 3: most part, and he is revisiting their bodies, he's having
Speaker 3: sex with bodies, he's cutting them up, So they don't
Speaker 3: release the news that the boots have been found, and
Speaker 3: instead they keep a constant surveillance on the area and
Speaker 3: sure enough, already comes out to play and he's spotted
Speaker 3: by a helicopter standing over the body with his penis
Speaker 3: in his hand, and that's it. He's done. Incredible that yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's Arthur Shawcross and he is Yeah, he's Rochester's number
Speaker 3: one villain. So note book about Rochester's most startling crimes
Speaker 3: would be complete without him, even though I dealt with
Speaker 3: other aspects of his criminal career, possible other aspects, and
Speaker 3: I thought that giving the the main reason why he
Speaker 3: is famous in Rochester was important to put in this book,
Speaker 3: and that was the eleven murders of nineteen eighty nine.
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Speaker 4: Now? You talked about not having any book about Rochester murders,
Speaker 4: in fact the true crime legend Arthur Shawcross. But you
Speaker 4: also have a couple guys that you cover in your
Speaker 4: book Killer Twins, Robert Bruce Bihalski and his brother Steven,
Speaker 4: And this is another must have inclusive about Rochester. But
Speaker 4: also again again a couple maybe not as well known,
Speaker 4: but certainly has all the ingredients of a true crime
Speaker 4: legendary stories, especially these guys being identical twins and killer
Speaker 4: twins as well. So you do cover Robert Bruce Boholski
Speaker 4: very incredible story in this book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, what happens is that I'm still visiting Rochester's
Speaker 3: fairly steadily. This time. My kids are little, my parents
Speaker 3: are still alive. We'll grow up there to visit Grayman
Speaker 3: and Grandpa. And I was around when Stalls he was arrested,
Speaker 3: and I was around several months later and reading in
Speaker 3: the newspaper that the killings hadn't stopped. So you know,
Speaker 3: either somebody was taking Shawcross's place, or there was more
Speaker 3: than one person killing women to begin with. But the
Speaker 3: senseless murders of women in Rochesters did not stop when
Speaker 3: Shawcross was arrested, and Robert Bruce Bahalski was one of
Speaker 3: the reasons why he'd grown up in their duell in Elmira,
Speaker 3: New York. He did time for stealing stuff, and just
Speaker 3: like Shawcross, once he'd finished a long stint, they placed
Speaker 3: him in Rochester, where they thought he might be able
Speaker 3: to assimilate into society and straighten his act. It didn't
Speaker 3: work out that way. On December thirty first, nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: a Sunday. This is the twenty four hours before New
Speaker 3: Year's not sex work of Moraine Armstrong's turning a trick
Speaker 3: in ear Lake Avenue apartment and she was heard to scream.
Speaker 3: About twelve hours later, Rochester police are called in. Moraine's
Speaker 3: friend who'd found the body called and said said she
Speaker 3: was hanging. When I got there, she wasn't hanging. She
Speaker 3: was on the bed with electric appliance cords tied tightly
Speaker 3: around her neck. Now, I spoke to Detective Frank Campione.
Speaker 3: He and I went to the same school for a year,
Speaker 3: and he knew that at a crime scene like this,
Speaker 3: he was there, you had to keep your eyes and
Speaker 3: ears open for that guy who's just a little bit
Speaker 3: too interested in what's going on, a little too curious,
Speaker 3: curious in a Nancy way. Police called it the witness
Speaker 3: who had his belly button against the police tape. So
Speaker 3: on January first, he's working in the Lake Avenue crime scene.
Speaker 3: Suing up. There's a guy who was fascinated by what's
Speaker 3: going on. Kenny Nancy, He's a nervous guy, says. His
Speaker 3: name is Robert S. Paholski's thirty six years old and
Speaker 3: says that he didn't really know Moraine, but he'd seen
Speaker 3: her around, but he sure was interested in what happened
Speaker 3: to her. So it's that case came and went became
Speaker 3: cold right away. All of the witnesses were on drugs
Speaker 3: and in different states of being brain addled, and Leeds
Speaker 3: ended up evaporating and came to be almost seven months later.
Speaker 3: July twenty first, nineteen ninety one, and it's one of
Speaker 3: the hottest days of the year and Officer Gerald Smith
Speaker 3: is on Emerson Street in the city of Rochester to
Speaker 3: do a wellness check and she's just he's just a
Speaker 3: block away from where Maureen Armstrong was killed. So he's
Speaker 3: parks his car and looks out and he sees this
Speaker 3: little ento eyes of neighbors coming towards his car with
Speaker 3: grim expressions on their faces, and it's just, what's the matter,
Speaker 3: and they are foullooader. There's a fouloader coming from that
Speaker 3: house from the front apartment. So he crosses the street
Speaker 3: and he sees something that's so grittily that, you know,
Speaker 3: it gives him the willies to think about it for
Speaker 3: the rest of his life. The side window to the
Speaker 3: front apartment is covered on the outside with a black
Speaker 3: blanket of flies. Yeah right, flies They want in and yike,
Speaker 3: you know there's nothing good in there. They open They
Speaker 3: finally open up the house and just unbelievable odor and
Speaker 3: the body of Adrian Berger is on the floor there
Speaker 3: so decomposed they would never be able to determine how
Speaker 3: she died. I interesting thing about there was that her
Speaker 3: boyfriend was a kind of a dirt bad type named
Speaker 3: Robert Bruce Spohoansky. Yeah so uh. Spohosky makes money for
Speaker 3: a while turning all mail tricks, and among his pickups
Speaker 3: was an otherwise respectable Rochesterian named Charles Grande, who had
Speaker 3: the misfortune of inviting Spohalsky into his home on Tuesday,
Speaker 3: October first, nineteen ninety one. So this is a couple
Speaker 3: of months after Adrian Berger. ECU think and Spihoski thought
Speaker 3: that Grande was rich because he was a landscaper from Grant.
Speaker 3: Grande wasn't, but Spohalski had a very limited perception of
Speaker 3: what true affluence was, so he takes takes Spohalsky home
Speaker 3: with him. Spahski tries to rob him, ends up hitting
Speaker 3: him over the head with a hammer and caving his
Speaker 3: head in. He steals Grandee's car, he picks up a woman,
Speaker 3: and he's stopped by a police officer in Grandy's car
Speaker 3: with a sex worker in the front seat with him,
Speaker 3: and he shows Grande's license to the policeman. Yeah, the
Speaker 3: policeman hands the hands of it back and doesn't sense
Speaker 3: it anything's wrong. Grandy's guy's five eight and Spallsky is
Speaker 3: a huge He's six y three, completely muscular. If he
Speaker 3: and his twin had stuck with it and hadn't gone bad,
Speaker 3: they might have been Olympic gymnasts. They have, and they
Speaker 3: were really good shape. Spalsky once broke a pair of handcuffs, though,
Speaker 3: right off his wrist, by snapping them with his strength.
Speaker 3: So anyway, the cop doesn't notice that this guy's twice
Speaker 3: the size of the person on the driver's license. And
Speaker 3: when police finally tracked down Spohansky, they can't arrest him
Speaker 3: for the murder of Grande or they don't have enough evidence,
Speaker 3: but they arrest him instead of criminal impersonation, and he
Speaker 3: gets off because the jury refuses to believe that a
Speaker 3: policeman could be so stupid as to mistake a five
Speaker 3: eight guy for a six Foorga, and wow, Spohoalski walks out,
Speaker 3: and now I was pen pails with Spohoalski for many years.
Speaker 3: Claimed swore up and down that for the next ten
Speaker 3: years or so he didn't kill anybody. There was a
Speaker 3: lady who lived in one of his apartment buildings who
Speaker 3: was strangled to death, and somebody turned up the thermostad
Speaker 3: all the way, just as had happened at Charles Gandhi's
Speaker 3: house in an attempt to speed up decomposition. But anyway,
Speaker 3: he claims that wasn't him, and there wasn't enough evidence
Speaker 3: to arrest him, so what are you going to do?
Speaker 3: But his next kill is when he is smoking crack
Speaker 3: with his friend Vivian in his apartment on Spencer Street
Speaker 3: in the city of Rochester, and he smokes so much crack,
Speaker 3: and of course this is his story, that he sees
Speaker 3: Vivian her Azari turn into a demon, so he sets
Speaker 3: about vanquishing her. He hits her over the head with
Speaker 3: a hammer, he strangles her and kills her. And then
Speaker 3: when his hallucination lifts, he realizes he's killed his best friend,
Speaker 3: and he's very He puts her in the basement where
Speaker 3: it's cool that he can slow down decomposition. But he's
Speaker 3: in a gym because he's HIV positive, he's on drugs.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have the wear with all the moves, the
Speaker 3: body anywhere. So his only bet, his only chance of surviving,
Speaker 3: is to turn himself in, and that's what he does.
Speaker 3: He walks into the police department on November eight, two
Speaker 3: thousand and five, and confesses to all four murders. But
Speaker 3: I've always suspected that Robert Bruce Boholski was responsible for
Speaker 3: more than just four.
Speaker 4: It's very interesting correspondence you have with him as well.
Speaker 4: He does impart a lot of detailed and graphic you
Speaker 4: call it almost portographic description.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, and I didn't share all of it
Speaker 3: because I thought some of it was just exploiting the
Speaker 3: victims in ways that they didn't deserve, right. But yeah,
Speaker 3: he committed sex crimes and would describe both the sex
Speaker 3: and the murder in pornographic details. Just you know, he's
Speaker 3: creating his own you know, entertainment forum apparently entertains him,
Speaker 3: but I edited because I can't imagine a civilized reader
Speaker 3: really needing some of that stuff. He gets the idea.
Speaker 3: You can imagine.
Speaker 4: It's interesting too when you talk about the the most
Speaker 4: when he describes as a glorious reunion with his brother Steven.
Speaker 4: And why you call him a killer twins is because well,
Speaker 4: not only did they both kill, but they both killed
Speaker 4: with a hammer as well.
Speaker 3: They began killed ignetically. Still question of nurture or nature.
Speaker 3: These guys didn't see one another after as free as
Speaker 3: free men. They didn't see one another past being teenagers.
Speaker 3: A couple of times they were both incarcerated in the
Speaker 3: same prison, but they did have a lot of influence
Speaker 3: on each other as adults, not zero. So the fact
Speaker 3: that they grew up to kill an identical fashion is
Speaker 3: pretty astounding. It makes me think that, yes, someday we're
Speaker 3: going to find the evil gene. We're going to find
Speaker 3: what chromosome or lack of chromosome causes people to be psychopathic,
Speaker 3: and you know, we may be able to isolate the
Speaker 3: evil gene. H And I guess if you want to
Speaker 3: look far in the future, eliminate it and make the
Speaker 3: world a nicer place. But yeah, I think it's it's
Speaker 3: not just horrible upbringings that make evil people. It is
Speaker 3: something in their makeup from birth.
Speaker 4: You have an interesting story, you say that, not since
Speaker 4: escape from Donna Mora has been an escape story. So
Speaker 4: in excited you to write about And this is about
Speaker 4: Ralph Bucky Phillips. Tell us what about this unique story
Speaker 4: or this unique escape story why you felt compelled to
Speaker 4: include in this book.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the appeal of a good outlaw on
Speaker 3: the run story is constant. Everybody loves a good escape
Speaker 3: from prison and fleeing story because it's a combination of
Speaker 3: daring do and desperation. You don't know how the story
Speaker 3: is going to come out. Somebody's going to lose you.
Speaker 3: Almost always somebody dies because you have a man on
Speaker 3: the run in an army of law enforcement searching for him.
Speaker 3: It always makes for a great Johnny Cash song and
Speaker 3: he escaped from prison story. So I was intrigued by
Speaker 3: the Ralph Bucky Phillips story from the start made national
Speaker 3: news at Staying Power. But when Richard Matt and David
Speaker 3: Sweat escape from the Clinton Gretchel facility in Dana, Mora
Speaker 3: during the spring of twenty fifteen, I was lucky enough
Speaker 3: to be assigned to write the book for the University
Speaker 3: Press of New England. And I spent the better part
Speaker 3: of six months investigating that story, which in some ways
Speaker 3: resembled this one. So I put off writing about Bucky
Speaker 3: until now. Bucky he escaped from a jail near the
Speaker 3: Alden Correctional Facility where he was where he was sentenced,
Speaker 3: using his wits and a can opener. Now the bizarre
Speaker 3: thing right off the bat. Now the old in correctional
Speaker 3: facilities in Erie County. That's westernmost New York State, almost
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania or Ohio. Bizarrely, Bucky took off only four days
Speaker 3: before the end of his ninety day sentence for parole violation. Yeah, incredible,
Speaker 3: So he kneeded out. It was like a panic attack.
Speaker 3: He kneeded out, and he got out. And he was
Speaker 3: for the next few months, perhaps at his happiest. I mean,
Speaker 3: Bucky's dad had been a mean drunk. He'd run away
Speaker 3: frequently as a kid. When he ran away, he would
Speaker 3: have to get away from his mean dad. He'd run
Speaker 3: through the woods, sometimes fifteen miles from Cossadaga to Jamestown
Speaker 3: to go to his aunt's house. So how to go
Speaker 3: long distances without ever having used the road? And one
Speaker 3: thing he had going for him even when he was
Speaker 3: little is he wasn't afraid of the dark. So Bucky
Speaker 3: grew up bad, always in trouble, stealing stuff, mostly lots
Speaker 3: of time in jail, had no don't really hurt anybody.
Speaker 3: But now he's freaked out. He's escaped from jail and
Speaker 3: he's on the run. And at first state police just
Speaker 3: didn't care that much. I mean's he's cutting four days
Speaker 3: off of a pearle violets sentenced. If the guy wants
Speaker 3: to go home that badly four days early, you know,
Speaker 3: let him right. But there there was a search, and
Speaker 3: there was also and this is interesting because this is
Speaker 3: not that far in the past. It's only what six
Speaker 3: years ago. But there's the assumption, there's just the assumption
Speaker 3: that because Bucky Phillips has Native American blood in him,
Speaker 3: that he is an expert outdoorsman, that this gives him
Speaker 3: a intrinsic uh superiority over his predominantly white pursuers in
Speaker 3: the woods because he can read trails and use the
Speaker 3: moss on trees as a compass and all of it.
Speaker 3: You know, there was absolutely no truth in it whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Bucky looking to steal a hot car and outrun you,
Speaker 3: he didn't really care that much about the moss on
Speaker 3: the trees. Sorry that the search for Bucky is a
Speaker 3: little bit lacka days ago until he decides to throw
Speaker 3: himself a party one night and gets an abriated and
Speaker 3: is driving erratically in Shamung County, which is where Almyra
Speaker 3: is crossing the double yellow in the wee hours of
Speaker 3: the morning and picks up the cup car. Saturday morning,
Speaker 3: twelve fifty am, June tenth, two thousand and six, and
Speaker 3: we're in veteran New York thirty year old State troopers
Speaker 3: Shoan Brown and his partner Donald will the patrolling route thirteen.
Speaker 3: Brown's driving and the troopers saw suspicious vehicle on Parrot Road,
Speaker 3: hot car Mustang, and the car was in front of
Speaker 3: them looking like it had just left the tavern parking lot.
Speaker 3: Hang out. Police sup trol the roads, you know, have
Speaker 3: a sixth sense for a tipsy driver, so they decide
Speaker 3: to investigate. Brown is a married to his father too,
Speaker 3: is a Trooperson's two thousand and two. Puts on the
Speaker 3: flashing light, taps the siron a couple of times, and
Speaker 3: the swerving car obbediately pulls over, obediently pulls over. Now
Speaker 3: they followed procedure. Will is six months Brown's junior on
Speaker 3: the force, so he gets out and approaches the car
Speaker 3: on the passenger's side. Brown approaches the driver's side, and
Speaker 3: Brown's closer to the car when a gun from the
Speaker 3: driver's side comes out the window, shoots Brown in the
Speaker 3: abdomen and knocks Brown down. Gun pulls back inside the car.
Speaker 3: Car speeds away and neither trooper has a chance to
Speaker 3: see the license number. Will drags Brown back into the car,
Speaker 3: takes the wheel, drives his bleeding partners to the Saint
Speaker 3: Joseph's Hospital. Brown goes into surgery, comes out conscious and loosen. Well.
Speaker 3: The lackadaisical nature of the hunt for Bucky Phillips just
Speaker 3: went right out the window. Yeah, from here on out.
Speaker 3: He shot a cop. Now it's now it's serious business.
Speaker 3: And a cat and mouse camp starts all over the
Speaker 3: southern tier of New York State, and Bucky leaves breadcrumbs
Speaker 3: for manhunters because he steals in an abandons cars pretty frequently.
Speaker 3: One place he robbed was a gun store, and that again,
Speaker 3: that got cops nervous, because what you gonna use all
Speaker 3: these weapons for? They do the police do an interesting thing.
Speaker 3: They put under surveillance and of even arrest members of
Speaker 3: Bucky's family so that they cannot give Bucky aid. You
Speaker 3: can't go home as the message. And on Saturday night,
Speaker 3: June seventeenth, one week after the shooting of Trooper Brown,
Speaker 3: the Bucky Phillips case goes big time, goes national when
Speaker 3: it's featured on America's Most Wanted TV show and there's
Speaker 3: Bucky Mania. Folks being who they are, looking to make
Speaker 3: a buck whatever they can. There's a lot of commerce
Speaker 3: generated by Bucky Phillips, notoriety bars in particulars into all
Speaker 3: things Bucky. There's Bucky drinks, there's T shirts Where's Bucky?
Speaker 3: He Got Fucky? And the most popular T shirt run
Speaker 3: Bucky Run Now. Some thought it was a riot, some
Speaker 3: thought it was in bad taste. After all, Poort Trooper
Speaker 3: had been shot. And at the beginning of August, after
Speaker 3: almost two months in the hospital, Sean Brown has healed
Speaker 3: enough to get out and return to work, and he
Speaker 3: joins the hunt from the man who shot him. The
Speaker 3: case takes another serious step into tragedy at six ten
Speaker 3: pm on Thursday, August thirty, first two troopers are shot
Speaker 3: down in an ambush Bucky. They're brought in with gunshot wounds.
Speaker 3: One of the wounded men was brought to Brooks Memorial
Speaker 3: near fre Donia. The other was flown to Erie County
Speaker 3: Medical Center, Buffalo. One was in critical condition, had been
Speaker 3: shot in the leg and apparently shot through that artery
Speaker 3: that bleeds out and was near death when he was found.
Speaker 3: So the two wounded troopers are thirty two year old
Speaker 3: Joseph Longobardo and thirty eight year old Donald Baker Jr.
Speaker 3: And Bucky is the only suspect. I mean, there's just
Speaker 3: nobody out there shooting troopers except the bus rint and
Speaker 3: the chances of him being taken alive would seem at
Speaker 3: this point to be practically nil. I would I would think.
Speaker 3: You know, if you had asked a candid trooper at
Speaker 3: that point what his chances were of being captured alive,
Speaker 3: the trooper would have said zero. And the families said
Speaker 3: the same thing. You know, Bucky's not going to allow
Speaker 3: himself to be arrested. He's going to commit suicide by cop.
Speaker 3: You know, if he wanted to just be peacefully go
Speaker 3: back to jail, he had done in a long time ago.
Speaker 3: So anyway, because Longibardo has passed away from the bleeding
Speaker 3: out from his leg wound. Bucky's now a cop killer,
Speaker 3: and what ensues is the largest man hunt in New
Speaker 3: York State history until Matt and Sweat escaped from Dana
Speaker 3: Mora a few years later. Personnel were taken away from
Speaker 3: community oriented campaigns, anti drug campaigns, anti gang campaigns in
Speaker 3: the cities of New York State, all to join the
Speaker 3: hunt for Bucky Phillips, who, after all these months, remained
Speaker 3: only one man. And the hunt now drifted out of
Speaker 3: New York State and into northern Pennsylvania, and it was
Speaker 3: not just growing large, but it was getting smarter as well.
Speaker 3: Troopers on both sides of the state line had become
Speaker 3: aware of the pattern Bucky stole cars and moved at night,
Speaker 3: so they suspected he had hideouts that they still didn't
Speaker 3: know about, and that those locations were very close to
Speaker 3: the state line, so they concentrated on area roads between
Speaker 3: the night and dawn, and it couldn't go on forever.
Speaker 3: There came a day when the hunters established a perimeter
Speaker 3: and Bucky was indeed inside it. They tightened the circle
Speaker 3: until they could see him. Friends and family were ready
Speaker 3: to start grieving because Bucky's days were numbered. But another surprise,
Speaker 3: Buck he'd had enough. He could see the swat team.
Speaker 3: The helicopter was directly overhead, and so he walked out
Speaker 3: of the woods, very close to Accole, New York, and
Speaker 3: into a clearing with his hands up and with news
Speaker 3: of the capture. The residents of Accollee lined the streets
Speaker 3: and cheered wildly as a motorcative law enforcement vehicles drew
Speaker 3: from the area. After his capture, Bucky said he was
Speaker 3: sorry about the trooper that got killed. Who was sorry
Speaker 3: about the troopers that got shot both of them, But
Speaker 3: for the most part, he was proud of himself. He
Speaker 3: pulled it off. Man, He had everybody on the run
Speaker 3: there for a while. Yeah, and that's the Bucky Phillips story.
Speaker 3: Bucky's still with.
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Speaker 4: your ritual today. Now, Michael, we just talked about the
Speaker 4: incredible escape story Run Bucky Run. You have a story
Speaker 4: included Flossy Wilbert Vanishes. Before we talk about the Genesee
Speaker 4: Junction murders, which I know is incredibly personal to you
Speaker 4: with George n. Formacole and Kathy Bernhardt being your friends.
Speaker 4: But let's just briefly mention the story of Flossi Wilbert Vanishes.
Speaker 3: Well. Like I said before, this is the second story
Speaker 3: in the book in which the murder victim had no friends.
Speaker 3: This is a lady on the Internet that alerted me
Speaker 3: to this story, and the second I started reading about it,
Speaker 3: I know I wanted to put it in a book.
Speaker 3: In nineteen eighty five, seventy five year old woman named
Speaker 3: Flossi wilbur disappeared. She was the least liked person in
Speaker 3: all of Angelica, New York. Angelica is a former railroad
Speaker 3: town and home to maybe thousand people. There's a chance
Speaker 3: that she was the least liked person in the state
Speaker 3: of New York. You know, maybe the only only Jim
Speaker 3: Cannon was a competitor to know her, apparently was the hater.
Speaker 3: Flossi was a formidable presence, a bundle of negative energy.
Speaker 3: She's five six, one hundred and sixty pounds, and she
Speaker 3: looked like she could handle herself, you know that, not
Speaker 3: like a seventy five year old woman at all. She
Speaker 3: looked like she could kick your butt. She usually dressed
Speaker 3: in roughed up dungarees, work shoes, flannel shirt, and she
Speaker 3: always carried some sort of club. It wasn't a baseball back,
Speaker 3: but it had a similar shape. Maybe it was a
Speaker 3: table leg. No one was really s but she looked
Speaker 3: like she could put it upside your head if she
Speaker 3: wanted to. And she was a bitter, hostile woman who
Speaker 3: combined a nasty disposition with anger management issues to pretty
Speaker 3: much guarantee she was always alone, which most people believed
Speaker 3: was the way she wanted it. Now here's a stat
Speaker 3: there are at least two people who left Angelica because
Speaker 3: they didn't want to live in the same village with
Speaker 3: Flossie wilbur Ed and k Iiker had split down, and
Speaker 3: Flossie was the reason ed and Kay had appreciated the
Speaker 3: beauty of Angelica and offered their home to the Fresh
Speaker 3: Air Kids program, in which kids from the inner city
Speaker 3: got to have some fresh air in the summer by
Speaker 3: moving in with a volunteer family in the country. Well,
Speaker 3: Flossie was racist to the bone. Who saw that coming everybody?
Speaker 3: She was bigoted down to her COEs And she saw
Speaker 3: the black kid playing with white kids next door, and
Speaker 3: she went nuts. She used every racist, Vulgarican she could muster.
Speaker 3: She harassed the kers, and it wasn't just verbal abuse.
Speaker 3: The Aikers would go out and they'd come home to
Speaker 3: find their home vandalized, smeared and rotten fruit so poof.
Speaker 3: On August twenty fourth, nineteen eighty five, Flossi had to
Speaker 3: go shopping for a few necessities. She got in her
Speaker 3: car and drove to the village market on Main Street.
Speaker 3: She left to go very far. She lived on Main Street,
Speaker 3: only about two hundred yards to the west. It was
Speaker 3: an easy walk unless you're getting groceries. So she took
Speaker 3: the car. She had a new car nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 3: Ford escort and was looking for opportunities to use it.
Speaker 3: At the store, she bought her groceries, put them in
Speaker 3: the car, and drove away, and that was the last
Speaker 3: time anyone saw her except for her killer. Of course,
Speaker 3: when Flossie hadn't picked up her newspaper for six days,
Speaker 3: the two man Angelica Police Force performed a wellness check
Speaker 3: and Flossie was going plucked from life with apparently she
Speaker 3: was apparently still bringing groceries into the house from the car.
Speaker 3: Somewhere in the house. Some were some are still in
Speaker 3: the car, and police could do nothing but scratch their
Speaker 3: heads and search, but Flossie was nowhere to be found.
Speaker 3: And canvassed main street and talked one time to another
Speaker 3: to all of Flossi's nearest neighbors, and the more people
Speaker 3: came in contact with Flossie, the more they hated her guts.
Speaker 3: So the number of suspects was lengthy. One man, a
Speaker 3: forty two year old named David Shark. He was tall
Speaker 3: and lanky. Local antique dealer told cops Flossi went through
Speaker 3: feces at my house. So the point here is that
Speaker 3: the town's all shook up, but they're not grieving nobody's sad,
Speaker 3: but they are afraid that whatever happened to Flossie could
Speaker 3: happen to them too, So they're afraid. One woman said
Speaker 3: that she remember once she was playing with the kids
Speaker 3: who lived next door to Flossie, and Flossi came out
Speaker 3: and pointed a shotgun at them. I'm thinking that might
Speaker 3: be the same incident with the Fresh Air kids from
Speaker 3: the Inner City. But anyway, it was like that up
Speaker 3: and down the street who had a motive. Everybody had
Speaker 3: a motive. And just as in the Bucky Phillips story,
Speaker 3: where the slogan had been Wars Flossie and Angelica, the
Speaker 3: catchphrase was now the face was now, where's Flossi? Set?
Speaker 3: Around Bucky one? So there were those who preferred to
Speaker 3: think that Flossi just wandered off, and they someday wandered back.
Speaker 3: But most looked at the facts and saw a woman
Speaker 3: who'd been stolen from her life. People locked their doors,
Speaker 3: and nobody sat out on the front porch anymore. Now
Speaker 3: we skipped ahead thirty some years, thirty five years to
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen and a break in the Flossi wilbercase. Slibel,
Speaker 3: her killer on his deathbed confesses to the crime and
Speaker 3: gives authorities a location to search for her body. Now,
Speaker 3: the killer turned out to be David Shirk, who was
Speaker 3: the antique dealer who said that Flossi throm feces at
Speaker 3: his house, so police knew about him all along. He
Speaker 3: was one of many who might have done it, and
Speaker 3: he took credit for it on his deathbed. The problem
Speaker 3: is it couldn't really sew it up because when they
Speaker 3: went to look for Flossie's body, they found an area
Speaker 3: that had been flooded out repeatedly in the thirty years
Speaker 3: since she would have been buried there, and they didn't
Speaker 3: find her body. He was supposed to be in the
Speaker 3: vicinity of the Almond Dam and they couldn't find her.
Speaker 3: So veterans of the Wares Flossie investigation said that Chirk's
Speaker 3: confession didn't come as a complete surprise. He was a
Speaker 3: currently mentioned in her diary quite a bit as a
Speaker 3: neighbor she was having particular problems with. She said mean
Speaker 3: things about him. Yeah, she called people half breeds, bums
Speaker 3: and idiots, and Shirk, before he could give any other
Speaker 3: further information about the crime, died on April fourteenth, twenty
Speaker 3: nineteen at the age of seventy six. And I guess
Speaker 3: we'll call that case closed. There's no reason for him
Speaker 3: to lie, just said. Confessions are usually taking as good evidence,
Speaker 3: and the fact that they couldn't find the body had a,
Speaker 3: you know, a natural excuse. But Wilbert Flossie or Flossie Wilder,
Speaker 3: she's they're still wondering where she is in Angelica, New York.
Speaker 4: And she really did vanish, it seemed before we talk
Speaker 4: about the Genesee Junction murders. This is an incredible story,
Speaker 4: this murderer, Tabitha Bryant, let's.
Speaker 3: Talk about that, Okay. Well. At around midnight on July
Speaker 3: thirteenth and fourteenth, two thousand and three, Bono County Sheriff's
Speaker 3: office gets a nine one call that's different from any
Speaker 3: other call they can remember. Caller is a man named
Speaker 3: Kevin Bryant. He is calling from the living room of
Speaker 3: his Pennville, New York home. He says that he was
Speaker 3: upstairs in bed. He was reading Tom Clancy novel when
Speaker 3: someone came into his house and murdered his wife. She'd
Speaker 3: been shot. He said he and his wife had two boys,
Speaker 3: three and five years old, and they were in their
Speaker 3: room asleep. The nine one one operator asked Kevin to
Speaker 3: check his wife for a pulse, which he did and
Speaker 3: reported that his wife was dead. And the reason that
Speaker 3: was different from any other call is that nine one
Speaker 3: one operators are used to dealing with people who are
Speaker 3: just absolute panic, and Kevin Bryant was calm. He's collected,
Speaker 3: he seemed maybe a little bored, sounded if he yawned
Speaker 3: at one point. Now, when law enforcement arrives, they're immediately
Speaker 3: struck by Kevin Bryant's size. He's a tiny man, stood
Speaker 3: only an inch or two above five feet. He'd been
Speaker 3: sick as a kid, he'd had many heart surgeries. And
Speaker 3: the police, even the police women who are there, towered
Speaker 3: over him, and they took him to the end of
Speaker 3: his driveway and started to question him. And again, we're
Speaker 3: much like in the Charlie Tan case. We're on a
Speaker 3: nice street with beautiful homes. This time we're in Penfield,
Speaker 3: New York, which is Pittsford like in its toniness. So
Speaker 3: he tells police he grew up in Penfield, graduated from
Speaker 3: Pennfield High in nineteen seventy six, got his law degree
Speaker 3: from Vermont. Why now, who's a lawyer, had an office
Speaker 3: on Ridge Road out in the count of Greece, and
Speaker 3: he admitted that he and his wife had contemplated divorce
Speaker 3: just the previous Friday. He said his wife was named
Speaker 3: Tabitha Marie Bryant. She was twenty six years old, he
Speaker 3: was forty five. They were married in nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 3: and they'd known each other for many years because they
Speaker 3: belonged to different branches of the community of Christ Church.
Speaker 3: He had been her divorce lawyer after a short lived
Speaker 3: marriage to a high school sweetheart didn't work out. They
Speaker 3: had troubles. She had a boyfriend, a guy named Keith Cromwell.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's the one who did it, Kevin suggested, hopefully. Kevin,
Speaker 3: of course, was an instant suspect, the husband always is.
Speaker 3: But with the exception of blood on the two fingertips
Speaker 3: where he checked Tabitha's palls, there was no blood on
Speaker 3: him and the killer would have had to have been
Speaker 3: a bloody mess. Police were baffled. There was no sign
Speaker 3: of fourth entry, no sign of burglary. The husband said
Speaker 3: he didn't see the killer by time he made it
Speaker 3: to the top of the stairs look down into the
Speaker 3: living room, the killer was already out of the house
Speaker 3: and in his car, which noisily drove away. Plus, and
Speaker 3: nobody likes to talk about this, but plus, there was
Speaker 3: semen on the body. Semen that has never been identified now.
Speaker 3: Tabitha graduated from high school in nineteen ninety five and
Speaker 3: soon thereafter married her high school sweetheart. Her husband wore
Speaker 3: the same tuxs to the wedding that he'd warned to
Speaker 3: the prom. He took a job in the town of Avon,
Speaker 3: which is the southern suburb of Rochester, and Tabitha moved
Speaker 3: out of her hometown for the first time, and they
Speaker 3: began to fight almost immediately. She contacted Kevin, the only
Speaker 3: lawyer she knew, and Kevin, licking his chops, told Tabitha
Speaker 3: that he would be glad to help her with her divorce,
Speaker 3: and of course she would need a place to stay.
Speaker 3: He had a big, empty house. Maybe she could move
Speaker 3: in with him, She said, sure, and at first she
Speaker 3: slept in the guest room, but before long before the
Speaker 3: divorce was final, she'd moved again, this time into the
Speaker 3: master bedroom and Kevin Bryan's large bed. Kevin and taminth
Speaker 3: Tabitha were wed on December twenty sixth, nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 3: That's a little about a year after her first wedding.
Speaker 3: For reasons that are unclear, she wore red spike high
Speaker 3: heels as she walked down the aisle to join Kevin
Speaker 3: at the altar. At first, Kevin and Tabitha seemed like
Speaker 3: an ideal couple. Kevin's family and church friends were, to
Speaker 3: put it bluntly, relieved when he, being a lifelong bachelor,
Speaker 3: had finally taken a wife. The church was very conservative
Speaker 3: spin off of Churchillatter day Saints, and men were restricted
Speaker 3: to one wife, of course by American law, but the
Speaker 3: church taught that the wife should be obedient. So Kevin
Speaker 3: had never had a steady girlfriend before Tabitha came along,
Speaker 3: and the rumor was that kevin sex wife consisted of
Speaker 3: hiring local sex workers for parties in suburban motels, and
Speaker 3: even after he was married, Kevin continued to see prostitutes.
Speaker 3: He took his new bride to strip joints, one in
Speaker 3: particular in the town of Henrietta, where he enjoyed watching
Speaker 3: his new bride give other men laugh dances.
Speaker 5: This is.
Speaker 3: Very odd behavior. Now this evolved into Kevin and Tabitha
Speaker 3: taking part in group sex activities, and maybe she enjoyed it,
Speaker 3: maybe she didn't, But at least at first, she didn't
Speaker 3: think she had a choice in the matter. Her job
Speaker 3: as a wife was to obey her husband. Their church
Speaker 3: said so, so this is the way things are going.
Speaker 3: When Tabitha's half brother, Cyril Weinbrenner, the same mom dad
Speaker 3: called up, Tabitha said that, you know his brother, her
Speaker 3: half brother has just been killed in a car accident.
Speaker 3: His wife and kid had left him, and he had
Speaker 3: a nervous breakdown and ended up in a mental institution
Speaker 3: with amnesia. Would it be okay if she would help
Speaker 3: him remember who he was? Well, I don't know how
Speaker 3: much of that was malingering, Probably a lot of it.
Speaker 3: But Tabina says, oh my, you must come only with us.
Speaker 3: We have this big house. So Cyril moves in. Kevin
Speaker 3: gives Cyril a job working in his office, and a
Speaker 3: cast is completed by Cassidy Green, who is Monroe County's
Speaker 3: tiniest sex worker. She's four ten, weighs seventy six pounds,
Speaker 3: and her street name is baby Doll. Now, if a
Speaker 3: man wanted to imagine himself with a child, she could
Speaker 3: pretend she was a child, but in reality she was
Speaker 3: twenty two years old, and she became Cyril Winebrenner's girlfriend
Speaker 3: and moved into the Briant home. So Kevin, after living alone,
Speaker 3: has now put together this little family. He's got a wife,
Speaker 3: he's got a he's got a brother in law's brother
Speaker 3: in law's girlfriend, a couple of kids, you know, he has.
Speaker 3: He has a family now, which she's enjoying dragging through
Speaker 3: the carnal mud of you know, sex parties and strip choics.
Speaker 3: Cassidy became Tabby's babysitter when Tabitha worked as a teller
Speaker 3: at a branch bank. Cassidy and Cyril developed overwhelming cocaine addictions.
Speaker 3: Although Kevin was not couldn't use cocaine because of his
Speaker 3: bad heart, he always had a bunch on hand which
Speaker 3: he's used to control people. And that it's fairly common
Speaker 3: as men who who are regular consumers of of of prostitutes,
Speaker 3: because sure sex workers do not have long attention spans,
Speaker 3: and a couple of lines of coke will sometimes keep
Speaker 3: them interested a little while longer. Anyway, Keavinths is born
Speaker 3: to kids, She's pleased her church, She's fooling everybody. She
Speaker 3: thinks everybody's everybody thinks she's happy and enjoying her role
Speaker 3: as a lawyer's wife. She's not happy. Kevin doesn't seem
Speaker 3: to like her. He likes having a hot, young wife,
Speaker 3: but he doesn't like her, you know. He takes her out,
Speaker 3: He makes her right on top of strange men, and
Speaker 3: perhaps it serves Kevin right. But one a night, Tabitha
Speaker 3: is sitting on the lap of a man and named
Speaker 3: Keith Clowmwell, and she and Keith hid it all for
Speaker 3: one thing. Keith a normally sized man, and he's also older,
Speaker 3: and Tabitha does have a type. He's the same age
Speaker 3: as Tabitha's mother, so who her boyfriend and her husband
Speaker 3: are both a generation older than she is. But finally
Speaker 3: Kevin figures out something's going on you. He's a private detective.
Speaker 3: Private detective follows Tabitha comes back with photos of Tabitha
Speaker 3: and her boyfriend kissing and holding hands. Now immediately, immediately,
Speaker 3: Kevin starts thinking about having Tabitha killed because he she
Speaker 3: is disobeying him, she is humiliating him, she is making
Speaker 3: him coupled, and it doesn't matter how many sex partners
Speaker 3: he's had during their marriage, the fact that she has
Speaker 3: a boyfriend and is without his permission. I mean, she's
Speaker 3: being disobedient. And he starts asking around, now drug dealers
Speaker 3: and sex workers if they know anybody who might be
Speaker 3: willing to bump somebody off for him. Yeah. Now, later
Speaker 3: Tabitha is dead shot and stabbed under a ceiling fan
Speaker 3: that is dripping gore. So the story, I said, well,
Speaker 3: what the heck happened? And you know, the last kent
Speaker 3: I'll give you is the contract's finally taken by Cyril Winebrenner,
Speaker 3: who's so strung out and desperate for money that he
Speaker 3: agrees to kill his sister in exchange for five thousand
Speaker 3: dollars in cocaine, money and cassidy. After he cuffs her
Speaker 3: around a little bit, agrees to drive the getaway car. So,
Speaker 3: of all the all the motives for murder that I've
Speaker 3: written about, perhaps I needed cocaine money, so I killed
Speaker 3: my sister is the weakest. Yeah, that's that's the Tabitha bred. Tabitha,
Speaker 3: by the way, is the pretty young woman who's on
Speaker 3: the cover of the book.
Speaker 4: It's interesting too that they that he has this the
Speaker 4: excuse that he kills his sister. But at first, when
Speaker 4: Kevin described the crime scene for police, saying that these
Speaker 4: intruders came in, it does not fit whatsoever with the
Speaker 4: gore and the crime scene itself, and so immediately he's
Speaker 4: a suspect, which leads eventually through this incredible story to
Speaker 4: Cyril Weinbrenner and his culpability in this incredibly well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ken. When Kevin says that the killer is gone
Speaker 3: by the time I got to the top of the stairs,
Speaker 3: what he's saying is I stayed in bed and I
Speaker 3: listened as this guy killed my wife, and I waited
Speaker 3: until he was gone before I got up and went
Speaker 3: to see what was going on. Now, you know, the
Speaker 3: investigators didn't immediately say, well, that clinches that he must
Speaker 3: be responsible. What they said was, this guy's a coward.
Speaker 3: You know, his wife is clearly being attacked downstairs, and
Speaker 3: he calmly turns another page and his Tom Clancy novel
Speaker 3: before going to see what's up.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: No, he waited until he knew the danger was over
Speaker 3: before he got up. And as it turns out, all
Speaker 3: of it was all It was pre planned, and Kevin
Speaker 3: knew exactly who was downstairs and what was going on.
Speaker 3: The last thing he wanted to do was to catch
Speaker 3: him in the act.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about this personal story to you. Obviously, you
Speaker 4: want to see Junction murders. Let's let's talk about that.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you know the devil at Genesee Junction is
Speaker 3: you know, maybe my all kind favorite book that I've written.
Speaker 3: I feel like, in some sentence, I wrote it with
Speaker 3: my own blood. It's it's a memoir more than a
Speaker 3: true crime book, and it was published as a memoir
Speaker 3: that is a true crime book. And it's often worried
Speaker 3: me that maybe I shortchanged my hardcore true crime audience
Speaker 3: by describing the nineteen sixty six portion of the story
Speaker 3: through the eyes of a nine year old boy. So
Speaker 3: I decided to approach the murders again from a writing
Speaker 3: point of view, enough from an investigative point of view,
Speaker 3: and to take me out of the picture and to
Speaker 3: tell it like a straight police story. So that's what
Speaker 3: I did. Eventually, I had to show up in the
Speaker 3: story because there comes a time when all further activity
Speaker 3: in the case stems from the alliance between Kathy Bernhard's mom,
Speaker 3: Alyss and myself as a nine year old boy. I'm
Speaker 3: basically a bystander and not that important to the story
Speaker 3: except for the fact that I grew up to become
Speaker 3: a true crime writer. So June twenty fifth, nineteen sixty six,
Speaker 3: hot Saturday night in Chili, New York, the first day
Speaker 3: of summer vacation, graduation night at the high schools and
Speaker 3: along Valentine Road, two teenage girls were feeling restless. There
Speaker 3: was fourteen year old George Anne Formacola and her sixteen
Speaker 3: year old friend Kathy Burnher. They didn't feel like being
Speaker 3: around adults, and so around seven point thirty, after asking
Speaker 3: permission from Kathy's mom, they went back to their favorite
Speaker 3: swimming hole at Black Creek for a quick cool down
Speaker 3: before dinner. Alice Bernhard, Kathy's mom, told the girls it
Speaker 3: was okay with her, but to be back in an hour,
Speaker 3: And the truth of the matter was she wasn't worried
Speaker 3: because Kathy was afraid of the dark. They were going
Speaker 3: to be back before it got too dark anyway, So
Speaker 3: the girls are wearing their brand new two peace bathing suits.
Speaker 3: Around Kathy's way was tied a large beach towel with
Speaker 3: a cartoon picture of a woman wearing a bikini, sunglasses,
Speaker 3: and a sombrero. Are it? Kathy wore foot flops, Georgiana
Speaker 3: was barefoot. Georgiaanne never wore shoes of any kind in
Speaker 3: the summertime. These are the things I know, because I
Speaker 3: was there carrying her small, red wrist held transistor radio,
Speaker 3: her most prized possession. She'd never been anywhere without it.
Speaker 3: The radio, as always, was tuned into WBBF nine P
Speaker 3: fifty am dial and Rochester's coolest station, Coolest DJ Queen
Speaker 3: b Jessica Savage was spinning the hits. And when the
Speaker 3: girls got to the swimming hole back by Black Creek,
Speaker 3: they were discouraged swimming and picnicking. Were Spanish speaking people
Speaker 3: from the city of Rochester, so they didn't go in
Speaker 3: the water, and instead they kept walking along the tracks
Speaker 3: until they got to the Old Genesee Junction, where the
Speaker 3: Pen Railroad crossed the west shore line of the New
Speaker 3: York Central used to be a major transportation hub, but
Speaker 3: by nineteen sixty six it's a ghost town. They took
Speaker 3: a rite and they walked on a gravel road as
Speaker 3: far as Scottsville Road, where they stopped briefly at a
Speaker 3: small tavern called the Castle Inn, where Kathy's father could
Speaker 3: often be found. They bummed some money, crossed the Valentine
Speaker 3: Bridge over the Genesee River, and went into Coop's Convenience Store,
Speaker 3: where they bought cokes and a pack of figures. They
Speaker 3: crossed the bridge again, walked for a time southward along
Speaker 3: the scott Ville Road, where a woman remembered seeing them.
Speaker 3: There was a rope on a tree where kids swung
Speaker 3: into the Genesee River, but the girls were unhappy with
Speaker 3: whoever it was or wasn't at the swing, so they
Speaker 3: headed northward again and settled along the side of Black
Speaker 3: Creek at its confluence with the Genesee River, now fishing
Speaker 3: are the with family of Rochester. Bruce Wit told investigators
Speaker 3: that at approximately seven point thirty he and his wife
Speaker 3: saw the girls, who they identified by photographs. They walked
Speaker 3: down to the creek bank. One of the girls took
Speaker 3: off her flip flops put her feet in the water.
Speaker 3: The other sat on the rocks. They were chatting and
Speaker 3: appeared in a happy mood Lyitch said that at one
Speaker 3: point he was trying to cast his line into the
Speaker 3: center of the creek and it was caught on the
Speaker 3: Scottsville Road bridge railing, so he walks up the embankment
Speaker 3: to free his line, and when he's up there, he
Speaker 3: sees a nineteen fifty five or fifty seven Chevrolet pull
Speaker 3: over to the shoulder of the road on the bridge,
Speaker 3: and the car was beat up. It was dark green
Speaker 3: in color, with either damage to the front end or
Speaker 3: a front grill that was missing. Something was wrong with
Speaker 3: the front of the car. A male youth in his
Speaker 3: early twenties, dark complexion, possibly of Italian extraction, got out
Speaker 3: of the vehicle yelled to the two girls to come alone,
Speaker 3: whistled come on, come on. The girls got up bank
Speaker 3: and got into the vehicle, which then made a U
Speaker 3: turn and headed north on Scottsvio Road towards the city Rochester.
Speaker 3: But before he got to the railroad crossing, they made
Speaker 3: another U turn and then started driving back towards wit
Speaker 3: and Black Creek. After that, the witness paid no further
Speaker 3: attention and the girls were never seen alive again. Now,
Speaker 3: the tone of that makes me think those girls know
Speaker 3: that guy. He said come on, and they were obedient
Speaker 3: to him. It was more like a friend or a
Speaker 3: family member, you know, come on, your mom need je
Speaker 3: home anyway. At three point thirty pm on July twenty seventh,
Speaker 3: that's about a month later, forty three year old forty
Speaker 3: three year old farmer Vincent Zuber smells a rich oder,
Speaker 3: thinks one of his cows died, goes to investigator on
Speaker 3: a tractor and finds the bodies of the girls off
Speaker 3: of a lover lane Lover's lane that runs along the
Speaker 3: same railroad tracks that the girls had walked along during
Speaker 3: their last hours. Both bodies were found face up, about
Speaker 3: fifteen feet apart, and the lane next to which the
Speaker 3: bodies were located led to worked farm fields and were
Speaker 3: noted mostly for being used by local young people as
Speaker 3: a place for necking in cars. For George Anne, doctor Greendyke,
Speaker 3: the medical examiner, found five penetrating insized wounds of her anterior,
Speaker 3: two stab wounds of her left arm, four stab wounds
Speaker 3: to her perineum, or insized wounds to her neck with
Speaker 3: partial transaction of her gold vertebrae. In other words, he
Speaker 3: cut off her left breast and cut her throat so
Speaker 3: deeply that she was almost beheaded, and stabbed her multiple
Speaker 3: times in a cluster on and around her vagina. Now
Speaker 3: for Kathy. She had three penetrating insized wounds of the
Speaker 3: interior thorax, two wounds on her right arm and hand,
Speaker 3: sharp excision of both breasts and perennium. In other words,
Speaker 3: she had both breasts removed, she had her bladder and
Speaker 3: uterus removed, and shelf had many stab wounds throughout her body,
Speaker 3: like George Anne, all from the front, and because there
Speaker 3: were wounds to the girl's arms and hands, these were
Speaker 3: seen as defensive loans assigned that the girls had been
Speaker 3: attacked suddenly and probably killed before they were sexually mutilated.
Speaker 3: Girls bathing suits had been put back on following the surgery,
Speaker 3: but only to cover up the areas where parts had
Speaker 3: been removed. Therefore, Kathy had both the tops and bottoms
Speaker 3: of a bathing suit on, while George Anne's top had
Speaker 3: been put back on. Her bottoms were found nearby. Kathy
Speaker 3: had the most sexual mutilation, but it was George Anne
Speaker 3: who had almost been beheaded. From then on. The story
Speaker 3: in Rochester's Most Startling Crimes is an examination of the
Speaker 3: suspects you know as a jack Star. George Anne's hot
Speaker 3: headed boyfriend who wanted to marry her, is in Arthur
Speaker 3: Shawcross but we've talked a lot about today. Did did
Speaker 3: he come back to Rochester later and mutilate corpses in
Speaker 3: the same way that these were mutilated? Was it John
Speaker 3: Miller he Fello from Pennsylvania who had a thing about
Speaker 3: killing girls in bathing suits with a knife, or was
Speaker 3: it Clint Wilson? This pseudonym and we don't use the
Speaker 3: pseudonym to protect him. We use the pseudonym to protect
Speaker 3: his family, many of whom we love and are food
Speaker 3: cooperative with us over the years. Clin Wilson married to
Speaker 3: George Anne's cousin and a serial rapist, and Clint also
Speaker 3: had a greaser brother, Keith, who could have passed for
Speaker 3: Italian and been the man on scottso wrote who said
Speaker 3: come along. Clint and Keith are not only from a really,
Speaker 3: really bad family of serial criminals, but they're also in
Speaker 3: George Anne's family. Clint has is Kathy's Kathy's neighbor and
Speaker 3: married to George Anne's first cousin. Keith is married to
Speaker 3: Georgeanne's sister. So they're in and out of the former
Speaker 3: coal house all the time. We don't have to imagine
Speaker 3: how they've met. They know each other, but we eventually
Speaker 3: conclude that that Clinton and Keith are the best suspects,
Speaker 3: just because proximity, we know they're in the area at
Speaker 3: the time, we know that they're mean enough to do it,
Speaker 3: and because of intrigue involving the illegitimate illegitimate baby that
Speaker 3: George Anne had when she was just turned fourteen, we
Speaker 3: think that there's a pretty strong motive that it was
Speaker 3: the Wilson brothers as well. And that's Rochester's most startling
Speaker 3: crimes and intriguingly, at one point I wrote Volume one,
Speaker 3: so there maybe might be a Volume two coming down
Speaker 3: the pipe, but it will be post endemic.
Speaker 4: You include an interesting story called Angel Lounge. Yes, it's
Speaker 4: very very interesting and the end is very very interesting.
Speaker 4: So I did ask you if this was a story
Speaker 4: that was going to be continued, and.
Speaker 3: Very yeah, that's that's the end of the story. Angel
Speaker 3: Lounge is a true story from the nineteen sixty three
Speaker 3: murders of two police officers in Lowdeie, New Jersey, and
Speaker 3: I wrote about it initially, not because I had into
Speaker 3: it his Rochester, but because I thought that it would
Speaker 3: make a good movie. So I didn't write it like
Speaker 3: a true crowd story. I wrote it like a movie treatment.
Speaker 3: It's in the present tenants. It's very immediate. There's some
Speaker 3: condensation of character in time I probably would not have
Speaker 3: allowed myself in other circumstances, but slightly fictionalized. You know,
Speaker 3: there's a character in there who doesn't really exist, so
Speaker 3: I can have him do all of the things that
Speaker 3: the police did that they don't want attributed to them.
Speaker 3: We have a fictional character who absorbs all of that
Speaker 3: for them. And the ending is designed to be an
Speaker 3: intriguing ending, and not necessarily where the story itself ends,
Speaker 3: but I'll say the start. In eighteen sixty three, two
Speaker 3: police officers are humiliated, tortured, and murdered and the Angel
Speaker 3: Lounge in the town of Lodi. They heard a gunshot,
Speaker 3: went in to investigate and were forced to meet Strip
Speaker 3: and neil Or Pistol, whiped and eventually shot to death.
Speaker 3: One of the murderers was killed within days by police
Speaker 3: in a wild scene in a Manhattan hotel. He died
Speaker 3: with his pants off, just like the copy killed. The
Speaker 3: other murderer turned himself in while accompanied by a beautiful
Speaker 3: female lawyer, and that began a really strange saga in
Speaker 3: American justice. Because that man was Tom the Rabbi Trantino,
Speaker 3: who claimed to recall only being a witness to the murder,
Speaker 3: said he had no recollection of participating in any way,
Speaker 3: and that despite the fact that multiple eyewitnesses saw him,
Speaker 3: you know, helping the murder of both policemen. So Trantino
Speaker 3: was sentenced to die, but that sentence was then commuted
Speaker 3: to life. And during his four decades and Trantino proved
Speaker 3: himself to be a renaissance man. He created surrealist art
Speaker 3: that was exhibited in Asia and Europe, and he wrote
Speaker 3: and illustrated two books. And he was doing all these
Speaker 3: things even as friends and families of the murdered cops
Speaker 3: screamed for his execution. So some are screaming he should
Speaker 3: be executed, summer screaming he should be free because he
Speaker 3: would be a contributor to and rarely do you hear
Speaker 3: that the economy quite that wy And like I said,
Speaker 3: this is experimental prose for me. If you don't like it,
Speaker 3: you can skip it. It's through pages at the end
Speaker 3: of the book, but it's written in present tense, very cinematic,
Speaker 3: and it has a a catch ending that dan Zepansky
Speaker 3: thought might mean a sequel.
Speaker 4: Well, it's an incredible story of involving these police too,
Speaker 4: because we have a couple stories in here with that
Speaker 4: and this incredible this story here with these guys tortured,
Speaker 4: and of course when police are shot or wounded or
Speaker 4: the police react. In this other story, you talk about
Speaker 4: sixty five law agencies, law enforcement agencies being involved, the
Speaker 4: reward going from fifty thousand to almost four hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: In this particular case, when cops are murdered, humiliated, and tortured,
Speaker 4: you have a response from law enforcement, don't you.
Speaker 3: Oh boy? Yeah, absolutely borders on vigilanteism.
Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly. I want to thank you so much, Michael
Speaker 4: for coming on and talking about Rochester's most startling crimes.
Speaker 4: It certainly has been Rochester's most startling crimes. For people
Speaker 4: that want to take a look at your other books,
Speaker 4: I know there's eighteen other true crime books that you list,
Speaker 4: they would go to an Amazon page.
Speaker 3: Is that the Amazon dot com? I'm the Michael Benson
Speaker 3: with the white Beard. Yes, absolutely, you'll even find some
Speaker 3: of my old I was a sportswriter. I wrote a
Speaker 3: book about the Grateful Day. Whatever you like, I've been
Speaker 3: after a long time. But yeah, the two the two
Speaker 3: new ones in addition to this are not have nothing
Speaker 3: to do with Rochester. I wrote The Wicked King Wicker
Speaker 3: about the Son of Sam and the Age of Zodiac,
Speaker 3: about the Zodiac Killer of North and northern California, and
Speaker 3: the Paris seem to be doing pretty.
Speaker 4: Well, absolutely deservedly so. So thank you very much, Michael Benson.
Speaker 4: Rochester startly climbed. It's been a pleasure. Thank you.
Speaker 3: You have a great song.
Speaker 4: Thank you too.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: Bye