1 00:00:05,599 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasicko's I am Dan Valley, coming at 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:13,320 you as always with the one, the only, this certified, fantabulous, 3 00:00:13,439 --> 00:00:16,879 the I would never trade him, no matter how high 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,640 his calor can take. God per day, mister trant Hues. 5 00:00:20,679 --> 00:00:23,920 We're here to talk about the blockbuster Markeith Morris trade 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,719 between the Dallas Mavericks and the Los Angeles Lakers. We're 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,480 gonna get into the trade details right away. There's not 8 00:00:29,519 --> 00:00:31,679 gonna be too much of a pause other than I 9 00:00:31,719 --> 00:00:34,439 feel confident in saying Grant that this is the most 10 00:00:34,439 --> 00:00:38,159 shocking trade in NBA history, and it's potentially killed two 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,920 birds one stone the dumbest one as well. But before 12 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,520 we really dig in here, how are you doing? 13 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: I just I'm still. 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 3: I'm reeling because PJ. Tucker isn't a Clipper anymore and 15 00:00:50,359 --> 00:00:52,439 I don't know how to process. 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: That and Steve Bombers not paying the tax, which really hard. 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:55,079 Speaker 2: Dan. 18 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,439 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you think we kind of knew 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,880 that Tucker might get traded, but no, like I. So 20 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,879 the last time we did this, I think was the 21 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:06,640 Kyrie Irving trade to Dallas. 22 00:01:06,719 --> 00:01:10,239 Speaker 1: Ironically, it is like the trade it's I guess going 23 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,120 to the Mavericks was a little surprising, but the trade 24 00:01:12,159 --> 00:01:14,359 itself like that wasn't a shot. 25 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,079 Speaker 2: No, okay, let's lay out. Do you have the parameters 26 00:01:17,159 --> 00:01:18,680 up top? We should just put the trade up. 27 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,079 Speaker 1: Let's throw those on screen. The full trade details that 28 00:01:22,239 --> 00:01:25,000 I actually can't believe that I am reading at the moment. 29 00:01:25,159 --> 00:01:29,280 The Dallas Mavericks received Anthony Davis and Max Christy as 30 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,200 well as the Lakers is twenty twenty nine first rounder. 31 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,879 Shame on Los Angeles for not getting any protections on 32 00:01:34,879 --> 00:01:36,959 that right, I mean, they just will kind of negotiat 33 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,560 against this. They got fifty five thousand dollars in cash 34 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,159 from the Jazz. It's up Utah. The Los Angeles Lakers 35 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,599 get Luka Doncic, Maxi Kleiba, and Markith Morris as well 36 00:01:46,599 --> 00:01:49,000 as fifty five thousand dollars in cash from Utah, and 37 00:01:49,079 --> 00:01:53,200 the Utah Jazz get Jonhoochafino expiring contract and two second 38 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,959 round picks. They get the Clippers twenty twenty five second 39 00:01:56,319 --> 00:01:59,000 from the Lakers as well as what will end up 40 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,400 being Dallas's twenty twenty five second. I believe as well. 41 00:02:04,799 --> 00:02:07,719 I mean, this is I think the team to start 42 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,879 with on this is it just it has to be 43 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:15,520 the Mavericks, Like this is unlike anything we've ever seen. Grant, So, 44 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,719 I wanted to just get to a couple quotes on 45 00:02:17,759 --> 00:02:20,719 this from Nico Harrison himself before we dig into our 46 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,680 questions and I throw it to you. So Nico Harrison 47 00:02:23,719 --> 00:02:28,240 to ESPN's Tim McMahon said, I believe that defense wins championships. 48 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,759 I believe that getting an All defensive center and an 49 00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:33,319 All NBA player with a defensive mindset gives us a 50 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:36,599 better chance. We're built to win now and in the future. 51 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,319 Very weird thing to say when you got older as 52 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,840 part of this trade, but you know whatever. The other 53 00:02:42,879 --> 00:02:45,479 thing he recently said to the Dallas Morning News is 54 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,759 Brad Townsend was we really feel like we got ahead 55 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,159 of what was going to be a tumultuous summer. Teams 56 00:02:52,159 --> 00:02:56,080 have been loading up to try to sign Luca once 57 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,400 he becomes available again. That was to the Dallas Morning 58 00:02:58,719 --> 00:03:01,879 News and the no kind of on that final note 59 00:03:01,879 --> 00:03:06,039 here is Dallas had quote major concerns about moving forward 60 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,479 with Luka Dancis due to his constant conditioning issues and 61 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,159 the looming commitment of another Supermax contract. Extension this summer. 62 00:03:13,199 --> 00:03:15,840 That was from McMahon. Again, the Supermax would have been 63 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,240 worth five years and three hundred and forty five million dollars, 64 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,120 and Nico Harrison saying that they were trying to get 65 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,639 out in front of teams going after Luca and free agency. 66 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,759 He wasn't actually slated for free agency this summer. That 67 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,039 would have been a player option he had for the 68 00:03:30,039 --> 00:03:34,479 summer of twenty and twenty six. Uh So, here we are, 69 00:03:34,759 --> 00:03:36,039 and I think we need to tackle it from the 70 00:03:36,039 --> 00:03:39,800 mass perspective. Grant just what are your and you don't 71 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,439 have to read the cards on screen, that's just prompts 72 00:03:41,479 --> 00:03:44,560 for people like what Harry Fielm, what are you feel? Like? 73 00:03:44,599 --> 00:03:45,759 What is going on here for you? 74 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: So I think this is still real fresh and I 75 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:52,879 in a situation like this where it seems to me 76 00:03:53,039 --> 00:03:56,199 and I think everyone kind of agrees what the what 77 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,560 the take should be on this, which is that what 78 00:03:58,639 --> 00:04:01,800 is Dallas doing? Like incourage you right, like this is unthinkable. 79 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:04,319 I don't know what the list of the least likely 80 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:07,479 players to be traded in the NBA as of last 81 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,840 night would have been, but Doncic is in the top 82 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:12,639 five maybe like second, like Wemby might be the only 83 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,120 guy I would say at one is less likely to 84 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:16,360 be traded than Doncic. 85 00:04:16,759 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 2: He's been traded. 86 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: And so I'm trying really hard to accept or like 87 00:04:21,879 --> 00:04:25,639 to find and then figure out ways to accept justifications 88 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,079 from the MAVs. That second one that you put up 89 00:04:28,079 --> 00:04:32,000 there about concerns about getting out ahead of it or whatever, 90 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,439 I hadn't seen that, I'd seen the conditioning, I'd seen 91 00:04:35,519 --> 00:04:39,240 Nico Harrison's quote about defense wins championships. The second one 92 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:42,120 is the only one where it's like, oh, okay, So 93 00:04:42,319 --> 00:04:46,720 that suggests to me that Dallas had an inkling independent 94 00:04:46,759 --> 00:04:49,720 of conditioning issues or its own internal concerns, that maybe 95 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,199 Luca was not only going to be pursued in free 96 00:04:53,199 --> 00:04:56,319 agency although no one's going to be able to offer 97 00:04:56,399 --> 00:04:58,000 him the three hundred and forty five million dollars deal 98 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,879 that Dallas could have, and he's interested in that, So like, 99 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,920 let's do something now because there's a possibility he just 100 00:05:04,959 --> 00:05:09,720 gets signed away somehow, somehow, Right, don't believe that's a 101 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,759 sufficient justification. And then we get back to even if 102 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,439 that's true, why don't you try to win a championship 103 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,399 this year or next year before you do this. And secondly, 104 00:05:21,439 --> 00:05:23,800 and this is really the kicker. I think that just 105 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,160 makes it almost impossible to defend this from Dallas's perspective. 106 00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:30,199 I'll just say makes it impossible is why didn't you 107 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,759 open the bidding up? Like, what is the reason for 108 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,959 just shopping him? Right? Because that was the other report 109 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,639 is that Dallas initiated this. It wasn't the Lakers putting 110 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,920 in a call. It was Dallas going to the Lakers 111 00:05:40,959 --> 00:05:43,959 and saying, hey want him, and the Lakers are. 112 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 2: Like, who is this? How did you get Nico Harrison's phone? 113 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:48,279 Is he okay? 114 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: I just like, what is the justification? This is an 115 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,560 impossible question to put to you. Is there a justification 116 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:02,720 I guess for not opening the bidding up and doing 117 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:07,160 better than what Dallas got? Because Anthony Davis is an 118 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,680 All NBA player, He's really good. You can make some 119 00:06:09,879 --> 00:06:12,720 argument that him and Kyrie is like a more sensible 120 00:06:12,759 --> 00:06:15,560 pairing I guess than Luca and Kyrie if you want 121 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,680 to just be Devil's advocate about it, But like, you 122 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,160 could have done better. There must be teams that would 123 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:23,600 have offered someone as good or better than Davis and 124 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,439 more picks, right, like, why not open this up? 125 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: So so Amy said that they called at least one 126 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,879 other team, and if it's one team, I assume it 127 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,000 was the Bucks. About Gianni's just because I can't see 128 00:06:34,079 --> 00:06:37,240 Oka see Shay would make sense, just like a similar 129 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,399 pairing between Kyrie and Luca with better defense. But why 130 00:06:41,399 --> 00:06:44,160 would OKC do that with the top of the Western Conference. 131 00:06:44,199 --> 00:06:47,360 It's like, you wouldn't trade Shay, but I would the 132 00:06:47,399 --> 00:06:49,000 thing I would push and I'm gonna play and I 133 00:06:49,079 --> 00:06:50,480 know you will tell I'm gonna try and play a 134 00:06:50,519 --> 00:06:53,040 lot of Devil's advocate here. You got to try and 135 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,720 understand this from the mass perspective, because this is the 136 00:06:56,759 --> 00:06:59,399 thing I think perhaps the most shocking thing here, Like 137 00:06:59,439 --> 00:07:01,680 the quote to the Dallas Morning News at least makes 138 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,720 it seem like, all right, maybe they haven't said anything 139 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,879 about it, but Luca his eyes were kind of wandering 140 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:10,839 or he hadn't guaranteed something because the whole the weight 141 00:07:10,959 --> 00:07:14,240 management stuff, the conditioning, the complaining the referees, Like I 142 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,639 get it. He still led you to the finals, has 143 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,480 been brilliant in the playoffs when he's healthy. And then 144 00:07:19,519 --> 00:07:21,800 I've also thought like, is there just something sinister going 145 00:07:21,839 --> 00:07:24,600 on with the calf strain here and or that calf 146 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:26,720 that he's had issues with in the past. And as 147 00:07:26,839 --> 00:07:29,240 we'll talk about later, the Lakers want him to debut 148 00:07:29,279 --> 00:07:31,000 before the All Star break, and so I'm like, well, 149 00:07:31,399 --> 00:07:33,600 they have the medicals, I'm assuming, so that must not 150 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:38,000 mean that there's something wild here. So I don't like, 151 00:07:38,439 --> 00:07:42,079 I don't understand even you saying, Okay, Kyrie and Anthony 152 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,519 Davis is a sensible pairing than Luca. Maybe not when 153 00:07:44,519 --> 00:07:46,639 he's playing with another big And by the way, the 154 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,000 Lakers credit Anthony Davis wanted a center and they gave 155 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,639 him Derek Lively. That's honestly, that's tough about they did it. 156 00:07:54,279 --> 00:07:57,639 Also fascinating about that too. Ad waving this and this 157 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,160 is what I'm getting at the fact that none of 158 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,360 these players and ing Lebron had any idea and I 159 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,199 don't want to get too much into the Lakers. This 160 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,720 never happens. I cannot stress this enough. The amount of 161 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,959 people that I know who actually know things like not 162 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:10,759 that I have sources, but the people that I know 163 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,959 that have sources, they were floored. Everyone was flored about this. 164 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,920 The reporting around Lebron not knowing seems to be accurate. 165 00:08:17,199 --> 00:08:19,800 Reporting around ad not knowing seems to be accurate. The 166 00:08:19,839 --> 00:08:23,639 fact that Stein said that about Luca, you know it's accurate, 167 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,519 and so what I I don't know what the impetus 168 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,160 actually could like, what is the And if you're the Mavericks, 169 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,600 you have every incentive to let it out that immediately 170 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:35,200 the framing was, well, we didn't know if he was 171 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:36,960 going to stick around, but instead you made it seem 172 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,679 like you were trying to do this at the peak 173 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,440 of his value. And I would say to you, the 174 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,519 only danger the thing I would disagree with. I know 175 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,000 you were playing Devil's advocate. Who is the better player 176 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,559 if they because they could have gotten more draft equity 177 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,000 from a bunch of teams. It's clear they didn't want that. 178 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,759 And I when I was thinking about it, who is 179 00:08:55,799 --> 00:08:58,120 the player that would be better than Anthony Davis that 180 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,759 they could have gotten back in a Luca trade. And 181 00:08:59,799 --> 00:09:04,480 let's assume that the Bucks said no to Jannis, because 182 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,440 I think that might have been the only because one 183 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,159 Anthony Davis is one of what this season the ten 184 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,840 to fifteen best players in the league or whatever. So 185 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:13,759 I just don't know what other team was gonna send 186 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:16,000 you that player, and so maybe that's why you don't 187 00:09:16,039 --> 00:09:19,320 open up the bidding because there's no there's only value 188 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,360 add there to me if you're actually looking for that 189 00:09:21,879 --> 00:09:25,559 draft pick and prospect return special which yeah, who what 190 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,639 Nico said were built to win now and later. I 191 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,240 don't like even the now part. You could justify it 192 00:09:32,279 --> 00:09:33,679 as like, well, if he's not gonna if Luca's not 193 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,960 gonna play again this season, yeah, you have a better 194 00:09:36,039 --> 00:09:39,000 chance of winning the title this year with Davis, But 195 00:09:39,039 --> 00:09:40,639 that doesn't even seem like it's the case. 196 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, I the mind reels, like so just thinking of 197 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,840 teams because I think if you're I don't. 198 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: Know, just let's can't let's go through it. 199 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 3: If you go to Houston, can you get Aman Thompson, 200 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:57,840 you know, who knows, pick somebody else and a bunch 201 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,639 of like five six first something? He you know, Like, 202 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,480 do you think that's an impossible question to answer because 203 00:10:04,799 --> 00:10:08,240 because the Mavericks did not engage in this kind of well, 204 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,360 let's go see, like let's let's start a bidding war. 205 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,759 Speaker 2: But I it's and. 206 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 3: It is okay, So let's say they go around and 207 00:10:17,879 --> 00:10:20,360 the and just because it's like right before the deadline, 208 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:21,879 and everybody in the league is like, where did this 209 00:10:21,919 --> 00:10:26,080 come from? Uh, you can't do better than this. I 210 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,840 think you just still don't. Then then the answer is 211 00:10:28,879 --> 00:10:32,039 don't trade Lukadantrich. Then then the answer is wait until 212 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,919 this summer. The answer is do everything you can to 213 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,679 get to the point of if he wants out, you 214 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,879 can still say, how about three hundred and forty five 215 00:10:41,879 --> 00:10:44,919 million dollars versus whatever you're gonna what is? It's in 216 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,039 the twos. I can't remember the numbers, but he's not 217 00:10:47,159 --> 00:10:48,960 He's not going to get anything close to this. 218 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,759 Speaker 1: He can sign for four years and two hundred and 219 00:10:51,799 --> 00:10:54,360 twenty nine this summer basically with the Lakers. 220 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 3: And or do like a two plus one or whatever 221 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,960 to get to ten years of service and then sign 222 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,320 the thirty five percent match. So like, yeah, you you know, 223 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,320 maybe maybe he's gonna he knows he's gonna make so 224 00:11:04,399 --> 00:11:06,320 much money over his career that that's like not a. 225 00:11:06,279 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: Crazy option for him. 226 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:10,799 Speaker 3: I just so, here's what I keep circling back to. 227 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:12,720 And I wonder if you feel this way or if 228 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,200 this is just the thing that I always do in 229 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,519 situations like this. There must be something we don't know, right, 230 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,039 doesn't isn't that? I just like I might be wrong, 231 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,240 and like it's totally possible that Dallas just made a 232 00:11:23,279 --> 00:11:27,039 massive mistake, right, Like that's that is the simplest explanation 233 00:11:27,159 --> 00:11:29,840 is Dallas just did did a dumb thing, and that's 234 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,399 what everybody is saying, I think, And so I'm resistant 235 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,240 to just hopping on that train of thought and being like, yeah. 236 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 2: That's what it is, because it does. 237 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,639 Speaker 3: I just assume that people in the positions that the 238 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,360 MAVs decision makers are must know at least as much 239 00:11:44,399 --> 00:11:46,879 as we do, and should know more because they're just 240 00:11:46,919 --> 00:11:50,000 around Luca. They have all this you know, first boots 241 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,480 on the ground, like first person intel. They just know more. 242 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,279 And I don't know what that is. I don't know 243 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,679 what would be a satisfactory explanation to me that would 244 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,120 justify this from Dallas and take us out of the 245 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,360 realm of this was just stupid and short sighted and hasty. 246 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,240 But then we're just guessing, right, it's like, oh, he 247 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,159 it's you know, total wild speculation. But it's like the 248 00:12:11,159 --> 00:12:13,799 conditioning is tied to like some other bigger problem that 249 00:12:13,879 --> 00:12:16,519 he has that he can't overcome or like he's terrible 250 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,440 in the locker room, or he like he just is 251 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,759 awful to be around as a teammate, or like so 252 00:12:21,799 --> 00:12:24,440 I'm just I don't want this stuff to come out 253 00:12:24,519 --> 00:12:26,799 like because that's just bad if this person is going 254 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,200 through having a hard time or whatever. But it's like 255 00:12:29,919 --> 00:12:33,399 the pieces just don't fit, and I'm just unsatisfied with 256 00:12:33,519 --> 00:12:36,440 any of the most charitable explanations you could make for Dallas. 257 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,120 Maybe we'll talk through it, maybe we'll get there. But 258 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:41,279 do you come back to that or are you just 259 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,639 are you more ready to get on the you know, 260 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,039 to move over to where conventional wisdom is, which is 261 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:51,000 just that Dallas is insane. 262 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it seemed. Dallas has lost their mind, 263 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,440 is what it seems like to me. But I have 264 00:12:56,519 --> 00:12:58,759 the same inclination as you, because you want to understand 265 00:12:58,759 --> 00:13:01,399 and these look we we were wrong about the maps 266 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,200 trade deadline last year, and like this the body of 267 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,279 work that Nico Harrison has now put together. For the 268 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,799 most part, I think you respect we're. 269 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 2: Wrong about Kyrie. I was. I thought it was a catastrophe. 270 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: When we hated all the trades that they've made in 271 00:13:13,519 --> 00:13:15,840 real time, and then they've panned out. Maybe this is 272 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:18,799 one of them, but we either need more information or 273 00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:21,159 something like is he just not gonna stay healthy in LA? 274 00:13:21,279 --> 00:13:24,039 And I also the two things that stand out though, 275 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,279 so the whole if you want to focus on the 276 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,559 conditioning and the stamina, and you didn't want to pay him. 277 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,840 If you don't want to pay Luka Doncic, who are 278 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,200 you willing to pay? And so I've seen some people 279 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,600 say is this a new function of like these aprons 280 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,440 and the punitive tasks like are we gonna see teams 281 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,279 now shop guys earlier? And I guess it's maybe. I 282 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,120 think it's more likely that you know, Patrick Dumont found 283 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,360 out that Luka Doncich is a Democrat and they were like, no, 284 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,000 get this guy out of here, because there's it doesn't 285 00:13:51,039 --> 00:13:54,000 even in the most putative salary cap era. If that's 286 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,679 what you think this is. Luka Doncic is the exact 287 00:13:56,759 --> 00:14:01,200 player that you keep at whatever price point it And 288 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,799 the two things that I actually wanted to get to 289 00:14:02,879 --> 00:14:05,639 on this, Yes, his conditioning is an issue. Is complaining 290 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,879 is an issue to some extent the MAVs have enabled that. 291 00:14:08,919 --> 00:14:12,039 Then there was Tim McMahon and said that Luca has, 292 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,480 like his own nutritionists and training staff. I want to 293 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:18,080 know if those guys are training anybody else, because I 294 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,679 have questions. Then if those people are training anybody else, 295 00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:23,039 they do not belong in this line of work then. 296 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,000 But also it's like, you know, that's I shouldn't even 297 00:14:26,039 --> 00:14:28,240 say that, because am I just the aesthetics of Luca 298 00:14:28,279 --> 00:14:29,960 don't Like he was apparently at two hundred and seventy 299 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,080 pounds this year at some point at corny to McMahon, 300 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,039 he should be in two forty to two fifty when 301 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,000 he's in shape. Like Jokic doesn't have that traditional aesthetic, 302 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,279 and yet he's durable as as hell, and like Luca's 303 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,759 played heavy minutes, he succeeded in the playoffs. And so 304 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,600 if you had an actual problem with what he was 305 00:14:47,639 --> 00:14:49,759 doing in terms of coming in prepared to camp or 306 00:14:49,799 --> 00:14:54,480 staying with it in condition, or his nutrition, as an organization, 307 00:14:54,559 --> 00:14:56,440 you need to figure out a way to make that work. 308 00:14:56,879 --> 00:15:01,159 And that's why I find what they've peddled so far insufficient, 309 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:03,919 And it's I don't feel bad about criticizing them now 310 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,840 because now Nico Harrison has released enough statements that if 311 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,840 there is more information you've had a few opportunities to 312 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:11,720 convey it out there. And the other thing that I 313 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:14,960 can't wrap my head around, though, by the justification specifically 314 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,039 with they don't want to pay him, or the conditioning. 315 00:15:17,679 --> 00:15:20,879 Luka Doncic has never played off the ball more than 316 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:23,679 he did this season. The MAVs have never been faster 317 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:27,000 than these past two seasons with Luka Doncic. He has 318 00:15:27,039 --> 00:15:30,480 shifted or they have shifted the way that they play 319 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,080 with him there. And you could say about the defense, 320 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,840 their defense after the trade deadline last year was elite. 321 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,200 They were top ten defense with him this season too. 322 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:45,799 So I like and I think because none of this 323 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,960 makes sense to me, that's where I land with you. 324 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,399 Whereas well, there has to be something else here, and 325 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,320 I'm not necessarily wishing it. I don't want Luca to 326 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,919 be going through a hard time. I don't want to 327 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,559 find out that he's like a terrible human being, and 328 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,200 I don't I don't even want to think that Nico 329 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,960 Harrison and crew just idiots Like I am more inclined 330 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:08,080 to believe like the conspiracy theories that like you know, 331 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,919 like Patrick Dumont did want like a European headlining his team, Like, 332 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,080 I'm more inclined to just believe that ye than I 333 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,480 am that the MAVs really just didn't believe like truly 334 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,039 that Luca was the guy to build around because what 335 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,600 is the like, So that's why I want to believe 336 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,639 there's more information here, and by the way, there probably is. 337 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,120 But at the same time, even if you don't want 338 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,080 all this stuff to get out, haven't the MAVs kind 339 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,240 of done a really poor job of like justifying this. 340 00:16:36,279 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: Still I don't. 341 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing is, it's like we just get 342 00:16:40,279 --> 00:16:43,399 deeper down the whole of Well, they're not gonna come out. 343 00:16:43,519 --> 00:16:46,480 It'll be through leaks or whatever if this other shoe drops. 344 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:50,000 You know that the explanations worse were like grasping for 345 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,360 I think I don't know that we're going to get anywhere. 346 00:16:53,399 --> 00:16:55,480 I know I raised that side of it just because 347 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,240 I can't stop thinking about it. But let's let's try 348 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:02,799 to let's assume or maybe it was just table that 349 00:17:02,879 --> 00:17:04,680 side of it, because we're just gonna go in circles 350 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,319 and like make up increasingly wild stuff just in hopes 351 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:11,160 of getting some sense out of this. Let's talk about this, like, Okay, 352 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,599 so it's done. So you're Dallas now. You have Anthony Davis, 353 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,480 you have Kyrie Irving, you got a bunch of like 354 00:17:17,799 --> 00:17:20,079 you know, three and D type players in between them, 355 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:25,599 you have how many more years of Anthony Davis colon 356 00:17:25,759 --> 00:17:28,359 All NBA Superstar two. 357 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,759 Speaker 1: I mean, well, by the way, that's the other thing. 358 00:17:31,799 --> 00:17:34,640 Not to circle back that, but then deciding we're worried 359 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,839 about Luca's conditioning and then trading for a billboard of durability, 360 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,559 like Anthony Davis. Really I understand he's been durable the 361 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:45,319 past two seasons. Typically as you get older, you're not 362 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,920 gonna become more durable. I don't. And so I guess 363 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:49,880 what were you getting at? 364 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 3: Like, well, I'm just getting it, Like I'm just I 365 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,680 wanted to move past the like trying to justify it 366 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,880 and just look at like, so where is Dallas now? 367 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,000 Just as a way, because we knew, is that last 368 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:05,920 year's version of the Dallas Mavericks basically unchanged unless you 369 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,680 really care about Klay Thompson versus Derek Jones Junior was 370 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:10,480 in the finals. 371 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 2: And this is a. 372 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,039 Speaker 3: Team that two years prior to that, again led by 373 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,039 Luca in a very different supporting cast, was in the 374 00:18:15,079 --> 00:18:19,559 conference finals, like you have Anthony Davis. Now there's a change, 375 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:22,880 like again charitably, like maybe this fit works, Like maybe 376 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,680 Kyrie and ad are like just an awesome pairing Davis will. 377 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,319 By the way, discussions about Davis this year involved talk 378 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,480 of like a little bit of defensive slippage, like not 379 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,680 the total game wrecking, like maybe best postseason defender on 380 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,519 the planet type of thing. Maybe that'll change in Dallas 381 00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:41,680 or as they get in the playoffs. But like you're 382 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,519 now you've swapped a mid twenties MVP candidate who led 383 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:48,680 you to the finals for a guy who's about to 384 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,920 turn thirty two. Kyrie's about turn thirty three, and you 385 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:54,400 don't have control of your first I'm referring to the 386 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,160 graphic now in twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine, or thirty. 387 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,640 So really right when you should expect Davis and Kyrie 388 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,160 to fall off or whatever, you don't. You're not in 389 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,599 charge of your firsts. So when, if, and when you 390 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,160 hit the tank, the payoff may not be there, won't 391 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,039 be there unless you do something. Now, you can trade Davis, 392 00:19:15,079 --> 00:19:17,759 you can trade Kyrie. Maybe you're gonna get somebody else's first. 393 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:19,960 But we talk about all the time, Like that's just 394 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,200 the second best option is having someone else's when you 395 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,319 don't have yours, because it doesn't incentiviz tanking. 396 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,279 Speaker 1: And so like a team that has like all of theirs, 397 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:29,400 where they could be like, well let's trade Anthony Davis here, 398 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:30,799 they're kind of spreading yeah. 399 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 3: Well, and so like if if we take Dallas at 400 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,759 its word on one of those quotes and say, like 401 00:19:35,839 --> 00:19:39,279 we were worried about this eventuality with Luca where we 402 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,440 lose him for nothing, like that was one further off 403 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,720 and two just easier to manage, sign and trade, do 404 00:19:45,759 --> 00:19:49,240 whatever you gotta do. They Dallas just moved itself closer 405 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,200 to the cliff, Like it deliberately moved closer to the 406 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:57,400 cliff by trading mid twenties superstar for early thirties superstar 407 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,440 who just is objectively not as good and did get 408 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,039 the kind of draft package that might make like hopping 409 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:05,440 didn't give you the parachute to hop off that cliff with. 410 00:20:06,039 --> 00:20:09,319 So just from a like, I don't it's so rare 411 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,000 to see a team, I mean this is rare across 412 00:20:12,039 --> 00:20:16,839 the board. But you gave up a player that you 413 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,799 were concerned about losing, You shortened your you made your 414 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,000 championship equity less, you shortened your championship window, and you 415 00:20:24,079 --> 00:20:27,400 made the landing way harder than it would have otherwise been. 416 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,400 So like, I'm just really struggling to see how Dallas 417 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,079 comes out of this as a winner in any way, 418 00:20:34,279 --> 00:20:36,799 unless you really care that they're now under the tax 419 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,400 because ad Waved is no trade as trade kicker. 420 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: I I mean, well, the other thing here is like 421 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,599 you didn't even get the Lakers twenty thirty one first rounder. 422 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,279 This comes back to a little bit. Remember one of 423 00:20:47,279 --> 00:20:50,400 our biggest criticisms when the Suns were negotiating for Kevin 424 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,720 Durant was this was a you were the team of 425 00:20:52,759 --> 00:20:54,759 one that he wanted and you gave up too much. 426 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,559 It's this is a different situation. Like, I guess you 427 00:20:57,599 --> 00:20:59,480 could have canvas the league for better, but you didn't 428 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,039 want to, so did you. I still think if you 429 00:21:02,039 --> 00:21:03,880 said to Lakers, we're not giving you Luca unless you 430 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,240 give us the twenty thirty one first is that really 431 00:21:06,319 --> 00:21:08,240 gonna break the deal. So that's the other thing end, 432 00:21:08,319 --> 00:21:11,279 because the Lakers pick in twenty twenty nine is inherently 433 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,839 less valuable because lukadanc is gonna be on the team. 434 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,279 And even if you like, how when has it ever 435 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,799 happened where someone who is like Lukadac has made five 436 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,559 all NBA teams before his twenty sixth birthday? When does 437 00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:28,240 it ever happen that a perennial MVP candidate before they 438 00:21:28,279 --> 00:21:32,000 reach their mid twenties their prime just falls off, like 439 00:21:32,039 --> 00:21:34,519 there's health issues or something like? When does that happen? 440 00:21:35,039 --> 00:21:37,240 I can't nothing to me springs to mind. So I 441 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,519 don't know how you pedal it as a win. And 442 00:21:39,559 --> 00:21:42,039 I also don't like when we're actually getting into the 443 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,839 nuts and bolts of Okay, well, what does this look 444 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,720 like to your point about waiting? Now, I guess you're 445 00:21:46,759 --> 00:21:49,279 certain that you're gonna max out Kyrie when he opts out, 446 00:21:49,319 --> 00:21:50,759 because he has all the leverage that would be the 447 00:21:50,759 --> 00:21:53,039 other argument for waiting is, hey, make sure that Kyrie 448 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,920 sticks around. Otherwise, what is the point of getting someone 449 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,680 like Davis? And So I want to start here when 450 00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:03,240 kind of looking at the roster, Now, do we just 451 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:07,480 assume that before even getting into what we think they need? 452 00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:10,119 Do we just assume now that like it's gonna be 453 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,720 Anthony Davis and when he's healthy then Derek Lively and like, 454 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:16,200 that's the front court now, because that's counterintuitive to us saying, 455 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,319 you know, Luca and Kyrie, Luca and Ad, excuse me, 456 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:20,759 Kyrie and a d might be a better fit than 457 00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:23,079 Luca and Kyrie, not if you have a non floor 458 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,839 spacing big on the court with them. So I just like, 459 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,240 but it seems like that's the plan because one Ad 460 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,920 doesn't want to play center, like he's made that very 461 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,559 clear with the Lakers, and the reporting is that they 462 00:22:33,559 --> 00:22:35,960 were erked by this. By the way, that doesn't matter 463 00:22:36,039 --> 00:22:38,519 because the Lakers were not the ones to initiate these talks, 464 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,079 so they might have been irked by it, but they 465 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,039 didn't go shopping Anthony Davis after that. And I'm assuming 466 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,039 that like the fact that Ad waived his trade bonus here, 467 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,839 like to help them duck the taxes, like so he 468 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,119 want him and Kyrie have wanted to play together. I think, 469 00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:55,839 so I get that, But there's probably also some promises 470 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,599 made like hey, we're bringing you here to not play center, 471 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,720 and so they'll be minds derobably. 472 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,039 Speaker 2: Huge'll be really big. 473 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,079 Speaker 1: Here's the trickle down effect, like they were huge because 474 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,640 Luka Doncic was a point guard. But like now PJ. 475 00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:11,519 Washington is just a three in your corner lineups, and 476 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:14,240 so what does what does that look like? But is 477 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,200 that your expectation? Like this is that's the direction they're 478 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,839 headed in because you're not the I think the alternative 479 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,319 is if you've if you even think that Ad is 480 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,759 going to be closing at the five, you should just 481 00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:26,160 trade Derek Lively at that point. 482 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 2: To me, well, so I think. 483 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 3: I do we should assume that, yes, a d will 484 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,440 play a lot more for just I mean partly because 485 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:36,519 Dallas went healthy. Has three centers that need to play 486 00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:38,839 a lot, and I guess Davis is the best equipped 487 00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:40,039 of those to play power forward. 488 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: Was a power forward. 489 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 3: I think, so you presumably, I think you're here, right PJ. 490 00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:49,359 Washington goes to the three, Klay Thompson slides down to 491 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,920 the two Kyrie one, So you have some shooting just 492 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,079 because like Clay is going. 493 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 2: To be guarded. Kyrie is a great shooter. PJ. 494 00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 3: Washington in the right playoff series has been a great shooter. 495 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 2: He's still not one. 496 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 3: I think defenses freak out about your point of attack defense. 497 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,640 I think with Clay and Kyrie is gonna suck. So 498 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,039 the fix for that is just your enormous across the 499 00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:12,359 board and maybe that works, right, like maybe you dominate 500 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,839 the defensive glass. Maybe teams like the Thunder now or 501 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,799 just like what do we We're getting one shot every 502 00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:20,160 time down, Like you can make the case again charitably 503 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,319 that Dallas has like done a couple things or has 504 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,880 made itself into a different team that with size and length, 505 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,960 could pose problems for the teams that's theoretically gonna play 506 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,720 in the postseason, I guess, And you have so much 507 00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:35,240 else to do this And. 508 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,759 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like I didn't mean to interrupt 509 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:38,720 you there, but like Max Christie's done a lot of that, 510 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:40,640 like he's turned into three and D for the Lakers, 511 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,640 and so you have him and Grime. So if you 512 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,119 think that you can get enough shooting and maybe one 513 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,039 of those two is playing instead of Clay, but it's 514 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,559 when you the problem here is this Mavericks team's like 515 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,599 independent of the Luca thing. If we were ranking them 516 00:24:54,599 --> 00:24:57,519 in the Western Conference everybody's healthy, you'd pick them to 517 00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:00,400 be top six, right the current version. 518 00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:01,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, probably. 519 00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:05,039 Speaker 1: So it's like they're not a bad team, but they're 520 00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:07,039 even if you believe in the interm they can be 521 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,279 as good. They short circuited what feels like so much 522 00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:13,960 of their window, right because it's just like Anthony Davis 523 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,759 and Kyrie assuming both of them are still there by 524 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:18,319 the time Dallas's picks are done conveying, they're gonna be 525 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:23,240 thirty seven. Like that's that's so old and I just 526 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,759 so now, but let's just they're over selling the win 527 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:29,519 later thing. Okay, fine, looking at the win now element, 528 00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:33,920 do you think that this team has enough shot creation here? 529 00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:35,720 I don't like Anthy Davis kind of a beast on 530 00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:37,400 drives this year, and he's done a little bit more 531 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:42,119 stuff with that. I just you have Spencer Dinwiddie, Jayden Hardy, 532 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,839 I guess, and Kyrie Irving. Kyrie Irving is like your 533 00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:48,240 primary outside in shot creators, and so is that their 534 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,559 biggest need in the aftermath of this or are you 535 00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:53,599 looking at because you said three and D guys, but 536 00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:55,720 like what we're saying when we say three and D, 537 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,279 like Clay kind of sacrifices the defense still there, Naji Marshall, 538 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:02,319 you lose the three I guess. PJ. Washington does kind 539 00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:05,279 of typify that, like Quentin Grimes is smaller. Max Christy 540 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,039 has done that lately, but he doesn't have like this 541 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,359 career long track record of doing so. So you can 542 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,200 make a case that do you need more like dependable 543 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,400 two way wings on this team? So like, what do 544 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,200 you kind of view as the biggest You just lost 545 00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:22,240 Luka Daci, So maybe that's the question, But it's like, 546 00:26:22,279 --> 00:26:24,680 what do you do with this roster's biggest need? And 547 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,759 do you think that they're done for the rest of 548 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,000 this trade deadline period specifically? 549 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what else they I guess 550 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,559 they could flip that Lakers pick. I don't know what 551 00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:37,079 they can do that's like consequential, I do I think 552 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,160 if the target is a win now thing, Yeah, you 553 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,480 just need because because Kyrie has had his own injury 554 00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:45,000 issues and if you lose him, your playmaking is just zero, 555 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,119 Like you just don't you don't have any at all. 556 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,359 And I think maybe that's just thinking about it now. 557 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,440 That's part of the reason Harrison is spinning this as 558 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,599 like we're going to be a defensive team, which is like, yeah, 559 00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:55,880 that's what you say when you're really big and can't shoot, 560 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,240 and like you're going to struggle to make plays because 561 00:26:58,279 --> 00:27:02,599 you just traded basically best singular generator of offense we've seen, 562 00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:06,119 I don't know, like in other than the Yokich in 563 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,799 a really long time, Peek Harden, I guess maybe would 564 00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:12,079 be the comp So yeah, it's got to be playmaking. 565 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,920 It's got to be someone who does both three and 566 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:17,559 D like maybe as good or better than PJ. Washington 567 00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:20,839 is something like that. But that's what everybody wants. So 568 00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:22,759 I don't know, I don't know that you're gonna be 569 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:25,279 the market leader chasing that stuff down. I think I 570 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:26,920 don't know how much else you have this? Do you 571 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,119 have more to go on Dallas? Because we really do 572 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,920 need to talk about the Lakers side of this, even 573 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:31,960 though that may be simpler. 574 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: Well, I found the timing interesting for the last thing 575 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,559 on Dallas is wouldn't you So I guess you don't 576 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:38,960 expect them to do anything else. But I'm wondering, like 577 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,160 the fact that they made this move now with like 578 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,240 a few days before the deadline, not of me believe like, no, 579 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:46,400 they are trying to line up at least another move 580 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,079 because otherwise what would be the value proposition of doing 581 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,680 it now? Right? 582 00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 3: Because the Lakers are gonna walk away from the table 583 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,319 if you say we got hold on you know, I agree, 584 00:27:56,319 --> 00:27:57,960 it's it's it's very hard to understand. 585 00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're gonna do something else. 586 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 3: Uh, you're asking me to predict what the Dallas Mavericks 587 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,720 who just traded Luka Doncic dead of night are gonna do. 588 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:10,519 Speaker 2: I guess probably they should. They should go get. 589 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,319 Speaker 3: Something else because you're beyond all in now on the 590 00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:13,000 short term. 591 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: Yuh. By the way, the fact that you just because 592 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,319 you said that that, like Sho, I didn't think it 593 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,559 was real. I thought Shams was hacked. Same, But then 594 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,880 especially when Shams followed up by saying, yes, this is real. 595 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,200 There's no way Shams is tweeting that, and then you 596 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,279 saw all the other news reporters confirm it. I was like, 597 00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:30,880 there's no way they were like mass hacked, right, But 598 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,319 it was still in the back of my mind because 599 00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:37,200 that's how insane this trade still seems to me. But yeah, 600 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,119 if you don't have any other thoughts on the Mavericks, 601 00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:40,880 I'm sure they'll come up. Tangentially, we can move on 602 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:46,119 to the Lakers, which is just I so Luca's future 603 00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:48,480 really quickly did mention this, he can sign for four 604 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:50,480 years two hundred and twenty eight point six million this 605 00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:53,640 summer and extension, but he will probably sign what we 606 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,799 guessed to be three years, one hundred and sixty five 607 00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:58,279 point four million with a player option that gets him 608 00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:01,599 back into free agency again thirty five percent Max. I 609 00:29:01,599 --> 00:29:03,599 think in the summer of twenty twenty eight, which will 610 00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:06,680 be ahead of his age twenty nine season. That's my guess. 611 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:09,480 I'm sure the Lakers will be fine with that. This 612 00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:12,160 is more interesting to me from the perspective of but 613 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,079 we could get to the other way. Every team in 614 00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:18,480 the league if they had, like if this was their team, 615 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,119 like they make the Anthony Davis first round pick Max 616 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,799 Christy for Luca trade, right, every single team says yes 617 00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:24,039 to that. 618 00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:24,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. 619 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: Now, And we're assuming they want Luca to debut before 620 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,359 the All Star break, and we're assuming they have access 621 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,279 to medicals that we don't, that there's not something sinister 622 00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:37,400 around the corner when it comes to Luca's body type 623 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,440 or his health. My question to you, before even getting 624 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,519 into what this means for the future, not to make 625 00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:46,200 this all about Lebron, but do you make anything of 626 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,400 we know Lebron has wanted to play with Luca. Wendy 627 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,720 had just mentioned that that Lebron said that years ago. 628 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:54,559 But the fact that Lebron didn't know do you read 629 00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:57,200 anything into that to where does this to you? I 630 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,799 guess does this make it less likely or more likely 631 00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:03,119 that Lebron is still on the Lakers one past the 632 00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:05,880 trade deadline, but two entering next season. 633 00:30:06,599 --> 00:30:08,839 Speaker 3: I think I think you have to view it as 634 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:14,279 it's less likely he's still there because in getting Luca, 635 00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:18,319 you've just you're, like, you know what your team is 636 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,079 built around for as long as he's going to continue 637 00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:21,519 to be there. 638 00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 2: So you have the bridge. The bridge, it's not even 639 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:23,799 a bridge. 640 00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:27,119 Speaker 3: It's just like you have the the best player you've 641 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,640 had since I mean, like, would you It's you could 642 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,039 argue that Luca right now is better than Lebron was 643 00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:35,759 like in his first years with the Lakers, Like you could. 644 00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:37,440 I mean, it's close, right, Like, you just have the 645 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,160 guy now so you can swap Lebron for younger pieces 646 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:44,039 or whatever and you're fine. So it just I don't 647 00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:46,519 know that that's like I kind of don't think the 648 00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:49,920 Lakers had because of how quickly this came together and 649 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,559 the fact that they didn't tell or consult anybody before, 650 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,400 like Lebron before this happened. It kind of seems like 651 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,960 this just came to them and they're like, yeah, we 652 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,880 have to we have to say yes, we can't. Like, 653 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:02,079 I don't think they did this with any like second 654 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,559 move in mind. It's just like when someone comes to 655 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:07,359 you and says we'll give you Luca for Anthony Davis, 656 00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:10,240 and a first you just do it and then okay, 657 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,920 maybe we keep Lebron, maybe we don't, you know what 658 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,119 I mean. I don't think there was a You wouldn't 659 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:14,759 have had to. 660 00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 2: Think, well, what does this mean for Lebron. 661 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 3: Let's pause for a second before we say yes, Like, 662 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,920 I think you just do it and worry about anything 663 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:21,440 else later. 664 00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: Well, the thing that peaked And maybe I'm reading too 665 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:27,400 much into the framing of this, but when it was 666 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,839 reported that they the Lakers saw this as we have 667 00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:33,759 someone who can be the face of our franchise for 668 00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:36,759 the next decade, and we're giving Anthony Davis a win 669 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,519 now move. And so I was like, so did they 670 00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:42,519 make this trade? Like not to because I think you 671 00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:45,519 could reasonably say that unless they go we assume they're 672 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:46,839 going to go out and trade for a big But 673 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,039 if they're really thinking long term, and that phrasing it 674 00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:53,359 prompted me to consider it, Well, are they like not 675 00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:57,000 making it for this season and it's what they might get, 676 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,279 like trade Lebron, right, he has a no trade clause, 677 00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:01,799 of course, but they might trade Lebron to Golden State 678 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,559 or something like. They're not they're not rebuilding because Luca's 679 00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:08,519 good enough, but they're doing sort of this like soft recalibration. 680 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,720 Because am I just reading too much into the way 681 00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:11,799 that that was phrased. 682 00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:15,559 Speaker 3: I mean, we're looking for answers no matter what, So 683 00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:17,920 it's impossible to read too much into anything right now. 684 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,079 I do think like if we've talked, I keep, you know, 685 00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:23,440 talking about how Dallas doesn't seem like a rational actor, 686 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,240 the Lakers could be ultra rational and they're like, yeah, 687 00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:28,599 let's we're rebuilding the whole thing now, so we can 688 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,680 trade Lebron for a bunch of pieces that make sense 689 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,200 around Luca because they kind of do similar things, Lebron 690 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,799 and Luca. Like, I still would be fascinated to see 691 00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:37,359 what this looks like with them together. 692 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,799 Speaker 1: Just like hope we get some games with them on 693 00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:40,880 the same team, which means that Lebron can't be basically 694 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,440 be traded, is what I'm hoping for at least this season. 695 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I just I think if it's so, your 696 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,519 original question was like less likely Lebron's on the team 697 00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:52,799 through the deadline and this offseason, it just has to 698 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:55,759 be yes, because now you can just reorient your whole 699 00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:57,759 team around a twenty five year old. So so like 700 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,799 I think, yeah, I just and now the question is 701 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,880 just timing and then like what's Lebron's actual value in 702 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,359 a trade and which teams are interested Golden Like you 703 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,559 hate to just jump to conclusion, but Golden State is 704 00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:14,119 a team, Like there were some rumblings and they're like, 705 00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:16,200 like he makes more sense than Jimmy Butler or whatever 706 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,079 else like that that that does seem possible, and is. 707 00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: What would be that if you had to just before 708 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,440 we move on from Lebron. Golden State obviously, and like 709 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,279 they could they have some instury salary matching and like 710 00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:29,480 the Lakers, the Lakers could view it as well if 711 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:31,960 you get let's say Wiggins, and then there's maybe they 712 00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:33,920 like Comingo or Pods, but it might be more about 713 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,160 what if the wars are gonna give us picks and 714 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,480 then that stuff we have in our coffers to continue 715 00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:40,079 rebuilding the roster around Luca. But are there any other 716 00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:44,160 teams that you could envision Lebron like realistically waiving his 717 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,000 no trade clause? 718 00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 3: For oh man, it's so it's so tough, Like it 719 00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:51,480 just has to be a team that is a massive 720 00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:55,079 title threat, right, that's the only he's not going unless 721 00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:58,319 you think, like, uh, Cleveland Miami, and we go through 722 00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:01,079 the usual suspects like would he go. 723 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,319 Speaker 1: To and by the way, you just named in Cleveland. 724 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,559 Even if Lebron wanted to go back there, I don't 725 00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:08,599 think you can make that trade right now because you're 726 00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:11,199 giving up You'd have to like at least one of 727 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,000 your core four players, if not too to make that work. 728 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,159 Speaker 2: And it's like, well do the Lakers want? 729 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 3: From Cleveland's perspective, It's like you can have Jared Allen 730 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,719 and whatever other salary. 731 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: It's size on our twenty thirty one first round pick, 732 00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:23,960 and if it's you're the Lakers, I mean I guess 733 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,360 that's like all right, but. 734 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't think you do that. 735 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: Like would be a pretty good pairing. 736 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, Thunder is there is just could like we're 737 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,079 just going through teams where because if you're Lebron, you're like, 738 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:41,199 I'm not going to any team that's that's not like 739 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,519 at least as good a title threat as we were 740 00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:47,280 before with adn R. Now with Luca, it's just he's 741 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:47,960 in charge of this. 742 00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: Would Lebron be like the basketball sicco who says like, 743 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,079 I'll go to Denver and then Denver has to build 744 00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:57,679 something around probably MPJ and Gordon and then their twenty 745 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:58,400 thirty one pick. 746 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 3: I mean, and like that at least satisfies the championship thing. 747 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,880 And if you're not gonna play with Luca, you get 748 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:06,599 to play with JOK. 749 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: This is a it might be a dumb I was 750 00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:11,639 just curious. It's like to me, it feels like Golden 751 00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:13,360 State or Bust if they were gonna move him, I 752 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,239 was just good, Like what other teams would like I 753 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,440 guess from him. Cleveland would be interesting if because because 754 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,719 you could probably get to Lebron's money without trading Garland, 755 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,039 Mitchell or Mobley. I don't know what, like your death, 756 00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:26,800 this just could be obliterated at that point. 757 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,039 Speaker 2: But how good are the Lakers right now? 758 00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: They need a big man who's starting Jackson Hayes. Yeah, 759 00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:34,719 I mean when he's healthy. 760 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they have to make a trade. 761 00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 3: But like I guess, yeah, they they've unbalanced the roster, 762 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,400 I guess to some extent, but obviously made a talent 763 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,920 upgrade overall, assuming health and everything might be about his 764 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,480 tee and upgrade over Jackson Hayes. I mean considering salary. 765 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,559 Probably not no like that. Maybe that's part of it too. 766 00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:58,559 Is like if Luca now that you said they want 767 00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:01,800 him to come back sooner than later. If you're Lebron, 768 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,519 you might look at this team now without Davis and 769 00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:07,400 with Luca and say, like, we're actually there's a case 770 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,840 it's possible we are. We're worse if Luca's not healthier, 771 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,159 and and the lack of the big man's a real issue. 772 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,119 Speaker 2: I think that gets you more likely to move. 773 00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 1: Sorry, I keep it round. They defended their ass off 774 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,320 without a d against the Knicks the other but you 775 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,079 know Max Max Christy was a part of that and 776 00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:25,440 he no longer is so I. 777 00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 3: Just uh, I mean again, I I think the take 778 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,400 on it is the Lakers really weren't in a position 779 00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:37,400 to consider the other like fallout aspects of this trade 780 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,400 and this they just like it's not you just say yes, right, 781 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,679 and you just worry about what this means for Lebron 782 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,719 and the rest of this year and the years after it. 783 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,679 Like secondarily like just you, Luca's on the table for 784 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,760 this packet. Yeah, we yes, we do it and then 785 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,000 figure everything out else as you did. 786 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 1: Ask answer your question about how good they are right now, 787 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,360 because I think that informs the Lebron part, of course 788 00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:02,280 is huge, but it informs well, what level of move 789 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,079 do they make from here? Because now I think you 790 00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,519 could argue if Lebron and Luka Nachic are both on 791 00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:10,360 the roster and that's the plan, Austin Reeves becomes a 792 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,440 little redundant unless you're looking for him to like kind 793 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,400 of run stuff like but you would stagger Lebron and 794 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,840 Luca a ton. But let's say you want to move Reeves, 795 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,800 Like are you if you're the Lakers? I guess is 796 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,199 my point. And let's assume that you're not moving Lebron. 797 00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:27,239 How aggressive are you being entering the trade deadline? Is it? Well, 798 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,880 we're considering they have their twenty thirty one pick, they 799 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,039 have Austin Reeves. It's just like their best assets, Like, 800 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,360 are you considered doing something with that now or is 801 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,440 it no, We're gonna try and pick up a big 802 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,440 on the cheap and then we'll figure out what we're 803 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,559 gonna do over the offseason. When Lebron he has a 804 00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:42,760 player option as well, and the reporting on that is 805 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,840 by the way, that he wanted another extension. So I like, 806 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,480 because I do think, I don't know if they're worse, 807 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,800 but I wouldn't have said I would have said last 808 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,000 the version of the Lakers with Anthony Davis topped out 809 00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:58,760 at winning a playoff series. I think just because Luca 810 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,960 is Luca, you could make they can put Like not 811 00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:03,440 having another center on this roster right now, I would 812 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,079 say that they probably have a similar ceiling. If not, 813 00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:08,880 maybe it's they could be more competitive in the second 814 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:09,880 round or something. 815 00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the center thing. 816 00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:14,039 Speaker 3: You know, all we've talked about leading up to the 817 00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:16,639 deadline is how many different center options there kind of are, 818 00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:18,360 and we just didn't like the prices for a lot 819 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,760 of them in certain cases. But like they still got 820 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,760 one of those firsts. They've got all this, they've got 821 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,599 some I mean, you don't have a ton of expiring 822 00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:28,559 or salary, But you've got a lot of salaries that 823 00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:31,800 are like right in the right range that extend one 824 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,239 year beyond this one. Talking about like Gabe Vincent or Ruy, 825 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,559 I guess you can be the team that comes potentially 826 00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:42,840 with the best offer for Vouch or Robert Williams or 827 00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:46,599 I mean whoever else Valentoun is. Like, now, all these 828 00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:48,320 centers that were like, a, we don't like it because 829 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,039 Ad plays the four, Now it's just like, well, this 830 00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:52,079 guy's just the center and Lebron's are for it seems 831 00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:54,800 like the options make more sense and the Lakers are 832 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,039 still positioned to have potentially the best offer for a 833 00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:01,000 lot of guys that might have only commanded second or whatever. 834 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,880 Now whether they should trade this first is another question, 835 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,159 but like I think in a weird way, it's just 836 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,039 easier now for them to go get a center. And 837 00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:12,840 I do think like I kind of like the fit 838 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,239 of Reeves here, just because if there were questions about him, 839 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,679 I like him as a point guard. I think it's 840 00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:21,360 interesting it was about like can he be a primary playmaker? Well, 841 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,159 now he's like third on that list if you have 842 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,800 Luke and Lebron. I think he's totally fine as like 843 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,639 a tertiary playmaker that can be an awesome stand still shooter. 844 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,119 Like that's also like been part of his you know, 845 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,639 he's had to do different things, but like that really was, 846 00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:38,239 Like his ability to make open threes is never a question, right, 847 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,440 Like that's something he can totally do. He's almost overqualified 848 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,159 for it. So I like his fit. I'm moving that 849 00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:46,199 pick and some salary to try to get a big 850 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,719 and then like I don't know, the team gets pretty 851 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,960 interesting if you do just get a capable center in 852 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,639 there and they can do that, they can like you can. 853 00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:56,559 Speaker 1: Get come home. 854 00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 3: Right like that that's the need, just go get a 855 00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:03,480 center and you can do that now. And the question 856 00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:07,039 of how good are the Lakers today, I think not 857 00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:10,000 good enough is the answer probably to really chase the title. 858 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,719 But what they're like because you have Luca, you just 859 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,480 know that the supporting pieces around him don't actually need 860 00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:19,079 to be that great because he'll just the way he 861 00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:21,360 plays is like everybody else can just do the one 862 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,360 or two things they're great at because he's doing all 863 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,679 the lifting with everything else, like you just can you 864 00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:27,639 make open threes? Great, Luca's going to create more than 865 00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:29,599 you've ever seen, or you a decent rollman. Great, He's 866 00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,599 gonna set you up better than you ever imagined. So 867 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,960 like the level of player the Lakers need to significantly 868 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,800 improve is just lower now, I guess, is my take 869 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:39,119 on it. 870 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,039 Speaker 1: And so I agree that I saw I like Reeves's 871 00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:45,559 fit still too, and I think he's He's still important 872 00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:48,360 until you decide, okay, like we're moving forward with Lebron 873 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,960 as well, because he only really diminishes in importance if 874 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,400 you know that Lebron is going to be on this team, 875 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,639 let's say this time next year. So I wouldn't get 876 00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:55,920 rid of him. I also, by the way, I'm not 877 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,840 giving up the twenty thirty one first round pick either, because, 878 00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:02,039 like it's the middle of the season, you're making this 879 00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:04,960 huge seismic shift to the foundation of your team. We 880 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,920 don't even know what Luca's health is, so if you're 881 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,880 firing that bullet, I'm waiting on it. And so I 882 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,440 would very much be looking and like some of the 883 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,639 centers you named, I'm just like, what would the defense 884 00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:18,079 look like if you put Voucher Jonas Valencunis here. All 885 00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:20,760 of a sudden, I'm like, is there a way to 886 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,960 Finago getting Robert Williams the third without giving up that 887 00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:26,440 first round pick. And even then it's okay, well, now 888 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,880 you've solved let's say fifteen to twenty minutes per games, 889 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,400 like you still need Jackson Hayes. Or maybe it's like, 890 00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:34,119 are you just playing with Jared Vanderbilt and Lebron? Is 891 00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:36,760 your your front quarter? Is there another cheaper center that 892 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,760 you can go out and get? They might, Honestly, when 893 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,280 you look at their center, they were in the market 894 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,159 for a center before, and we agreed that they needed 895 00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:45,800 a reserve center before they traded ad we didn't want 896 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,119 him to play next to said center necessarily, they might 897 00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:50,079 need to go out and get two bigs like for this, 898 00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:52,559 And so I'd be looking at those types of moves 899 00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:56,000 because I'm just, yes, you can, it's Lebron. There should 900 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,159 be urgency if you want to keep them. I agree 901 00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:01,039 with what you said though that the upgrades can now 902 00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:03,840 be marginal enough to where they make a meaningful difference still, 903 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,079 and I just you need to have more information on 904 00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:10,239 what this looks like and just the state of like 905 00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:14,480 the Lebron Luca dynamic moving forward before you would move 906 00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:17,119 either one of your I would say two of your three, 907 00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:19,159 like I would move Dalton Connect That's fine with me, 908 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,000 That's okay, But I'm not moving to twenty thirty one 909 00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:22,199 first or Reeves right now. 910 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 3: I can ask you two unrelated questions. The first answer 911 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:31,000 is probably short. One is if Dallas says we need 912 00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:33,599 both of those first and all in connect and like 913 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,159 literally anything else we could possibly ask for if you 914 00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:39,119 want Luca, don't the Lakers still do it? 915 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's okay. 916 00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: You would have roped in if they wanted Reeves, and 917 00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:45,480 like his salary was more so, the structure could have 918 00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:47,400 been weird. They're looking to a duct attacks. You could 919 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:48,960 have roped in other teams. They would have done it. 920 00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:52,320 I think borderline if you insisted on the two thousand 921 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,119 and thirty one first round pick. I do not care 922 00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:56,880 what the reporting is coming out of LA. They absolutely 923 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,920 would have given Dallas that first round thing, just. 924 00:42:58,920 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 2: So I agree. 925 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,199 Speaker 3: Another baffling element of like how do you not just 926 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,199 ask for everything if you're Dallas. The second question is 927 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,719 like ripple effect wise, and you can take it from 928 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,119 the the the new version of Dallas and the new 929 00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:15,519 version of the Lakers. Does this do anything to change 930 00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:18,760 plans of any other teams at the deadline, specifically in 931 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,039 the West. 932 00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, at this point, let's say, so, who's like, 933 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,760 who do you think is the most urgent Western Conference buyer? 934 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,079 Speaker 2: Every like you? 935 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,079 Speaker 3: So let's go through the ones that would care. Okay, 936 00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:34,880 see Memphis, Houston, Minnesota, Denver. 937 00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:37,760 Speaker 1: I think it changes behavior in the sense that they 938 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,920 should Inbolden you to call and see about Wemby's availability. 939 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, so yeah you should call Boston and be like, 940 00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:48,639 are you guys looking to get off Tatum. It's just like, yeah, 941 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,119 but I think so. I'm to answer my own question, 942 00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:52,760 I'm not sure. I don't think so, because I think 943 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,159 Dallas was viewed as the bigger threat with Luca, and 944 00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:58,480 now we agree they're probably a little they're probably worse, 945 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,280 and the Lakers weren't taken real seriously as a threat. 946 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,719 I don't think negative point differential injury concerns with ad 947 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,440 and Lebron, you know, like, I don't think I don't 948 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,800 think either of these teams now profiles as it's such 949 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,679 a different this year threat that if you're the thunder, 950 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,400 you're like, well, now we got a counter, we gotta 951 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,199 do something. I think you're still operating with whatever level 952 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,960 of urgency you had before this trade. 953 00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 1: I think honestly it'll change. Matt Ishbia can't not be 954 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,039 the primary subject, so they will. Phoenix is absolutely trading 955 00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:31,400 all those picks now and doing something they can't They 956 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,760 can't lose the headline story to the Lakers. But no, 957 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,239 you bring up an entering point, because this trade is 958 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,159 it's not even I call it seismic. This is the 959 00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:43,679 most shocking trade in NBA history, and I don't think 960 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,440 it's changed like anything about this year. 961 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:47,119 Speaker 2: Isn't that weird. 962 00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:50,199 Speaker 1: It's so bizarre and like that's why. Maybe that's also 963 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,920 why I was latching onto the framing of the Lakers. 964 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,800 Gave Anthony Davis a win now move, like, oh, the 965 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,960 Lakers not trying to win. This is so long term 966 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,960 focused by the Lakers and the MAVs I think at 967 00:45:03,039 --> 00:45:05,840 best are like as likely to win the title. I 968 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,280 would argue that they're just worse off in terms of 969 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,119 the championship discussion. So I don't think it changes any 970 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,679 like real urgency in the West for for I mean, 971 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,880 I think it makes the if you're had a pick 972 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,920 between these two teams, what should you prefer to face 973 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,159 let's assume the Lakers get a big of some close 974 00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:27,440 to starter level quality, which team would you be more 975 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,719 worried about facing? It matchups? Matter of course, Like okay, 976 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,440 so he might just prefer the Lakers over the Mavericks, 977 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,079 But just in a vacuum, which team if the Lakers 978 00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:38,840 get a big would you be more worried about facing 979 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:39,960 in a seven game series? 980 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,880 Speaker 3: I think it's the Lakers, just because we've seen Luca 981 00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:46,599 just if he can, he'll be the best player in 982 00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:49,679 any series he plays, And like I know, I always 983 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,599 revert to that, and you there's just like you can 984 00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:55,840 imagine Solutions as an opponent of Dallas of like they 985 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,039 don't space it well, like Kyrie is overburdened as the 986 00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:01,920 only creator on the team. The Lakers just have Luca, 987 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,000 and Luca can just win playoff series by himself. So 988 00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:06,400 I'm more worried about playing the Lakers, I guess, even 989 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,280 though I mean, right, I think that's the answer. 990 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,079 Speaker 1: I know, I agree with you. It's just a Luca 991 00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:13,800 fa I mean, Luca and Lebron. It was always the 992 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,639 we don't want to face Lebron and Ad and now 993 00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:18,960 it's like Lebron and Luca so the rosters doesn't quite 994 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,519 make sense. And by the way, circling back to your 995 00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:23,400 other thing about would this change anything in the West, 996 00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:27,360 I do wonder like the team that it would. I'm 997 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,920 not being facetious. I was being an asshole about the Suns. 998 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,159 If there's any team's behavior this is going to change, 999 00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:35,159 it would be Golden States, right yeah, because now do 1000 00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:35,639 you make the. 1001 00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:38,760 Speaker 2: Call you say? You say like the Lakers. 1002 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,159 Speaker 3: Now at least the Lakers have two timelines, Dan, so 1003 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,519 the Warriors are like, we get it, let's we'd like 1004 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:45,880 Lebron or do. 1005 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,800 Speaker 1: You flip it? I don't know necessarily that Golden State 1006 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,559 would do this when only the twenty thirty one pick 1007 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,199 is available, But Luca don just was just trade Like 1008 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,159 are you calling Golden State to see about Draymond Green 1009 00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:57,599 and him being your starting center next to Luca and Lebron? 1010 00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:00,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm every team should be calling the Warriors, 1011 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,159 Steph if like this right like. 1012 00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:06,280 Speaker 1: This is If there's one takeaway from this podcast, I 1013 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,719 just want all the kids, all the dreamers to I 1014 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,760 just want to let you know you keep trade machining 1015 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,400 your heart out. Don't let anyone tell you that you 1016 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,159 can't do it because shit like this happens all the time. 1017 00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:18,920 If you didn't have anything more localized to the Lakers, 1018 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,920 I did have a macro question about the league. 1019 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 3: I have one other thought that I keep wanting to 1020 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,519 get out there. It's kind of more Dallas centric. I 1021 00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,920 know I should have brought this up earlier. I think 1022 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:37,079 that it's possible that Dallas, given its circumstances and what 1023 00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:39,679 it knows and believes about Luca, kind of made like 1024 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,360 the right decision, which is to say, but it will 1025 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,280 turn out to be wrong, which is to say, maybe 1026 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,920 his conditioning issues were never going to get better, Maybe 1027 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,079 there's other stuff we don't know about, and like that, 1028 00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:55,880 Dallas maybe hypothetically correctly concluded, we can't go forward with 1029 00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:59,079 this guy as our main player, considering what we're gonna 1030 00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:01,119 have to pay him, and just trend line of whatever 1031 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,719 trends we're concerned about with him now that he's changed teams, 1032 00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:07,960 now that he's had like a little wake up call 1033 00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:11,199 of being traded, when after thinking like it could be 1034 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,840 that his habits or whatever the issues are changed now 1035 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,880 that he's on the Lakers, where they would never have 1036 00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:18,760 continuing to be in Dallas, Like sometimes this happens where 1037 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,239 it's like a it's a dressed up version of the 1038 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,079 change of scenery argument where it's like all these problems 1039 00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:28,239 might have persisted in Dallas and made it untenable. Now 1040 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,199 that he's on a new team after being traded, he 1041 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,920 cleans everything up, Like so Dallas could have been right 1042 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,199 to say this isn't gonna work, and then it'll still 1043 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,920 look terrible and be wrong because Luca changing teams solves 1044 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,880 all the problems that led to him being traded. 1045 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,199 Speaker 2: So it's just like such a lose lose for Dallas 1046 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,199 from a like an optic standpoint. 1047 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,360 Speaker 1: Well, and but to that point, isn't there also an 1048 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,840 element we see don't we hear this from pro athletes 1049 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,360 all the time, where it's they don't start taking their 1050 00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:57,480 when they're super young, like their conditioning and their nutrition 1051 00:48:57,599 --> 00:49:01,119 gets on better point as they get older. And so 1052 00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:03,199 that's a little count like there are some guys that 1053 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,440 come in and they're like psychos, but like Lebron was 1054 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,519 always in great shape, but like was he always on 1055 00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:12,119 top of his nutrition, Like probably not until like the 1056 00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:14,039 middle of his late twenties, and Lucas you have to 1057 00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:17,079 be Yeah, so that would be the one hang up there. 1058 00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:19,960 But yeah, this is just even if the Mavericks were 1059 00:49:20,119 --> 00:49:23,159 justified in thinking this way, now there's just a greater 1060 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,360 chance that Luca goes on to prove them wrong, or 1061 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,119 that he's able to be a better version of the 1062 00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:28,360 player that we already saw. 1063 00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:29,519 Speaker 2: Like how mad is he? 1064 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,440 Speaker 3: I mean, probably not mad because he gets to go 1065 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,559 to LA and play with Lebron and is gonna be 1066 00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:35,800 an a bigger icon than ever because of the market 1067 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,119 he's in. But like he could this could be the 1068 00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:40,719 Luca revenge Tour for like five years, like you know, 1069 00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:43,360 or longer. It really could just be him saying I'll 1070 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,960 show you, which is like he was good enough already. 1071 00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:48,679 He doesn't need this, like I got to prove myself 1072 00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:50,880 now angle it could get real scary how good he 1073 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:51,320 might get. 1074 00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:53,280 Speaker 1: The more back of a question I wanted to touch 1075 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,519 on and we did talk about it a little bit 1076 00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:57,920 at the start, is that some people have positive that 1077 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,400 this is the Luka Doncic situation as a ripple effect 1078 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,000 of the new CBA or how expensive these contracts are 1079 00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:08,719 getting the penalties when it comes to spending as a team, 1080 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,920 and we've already seen so it was the Mavericks and 1081 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,079 the Clippers. We had four team teams in the luxury tax, 1082 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,000 two of them already have already ducked it. And so 1083 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,000 some people are positing that this is the start of 1084 00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:23,440 a trend, and I can't. Look, you can't discredit someone 1085 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,960 from thinking that way because Luga Dats are one of 1086 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,679 the five best players in basketball and was just traded 1087 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,360 before that contract. But we're talking. The trend that I'm 1088 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,719 referencing is trading these guys if they didn't, as reports say, 1089 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,199 he didn't ask for out and before their third contract 1090 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,400 because you're either worried about paying them a regular max 1091 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,159 or a supermax. Do you think that the I guess 1092 00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:44,719 I'll frame it this way. Do you think that there's 1093 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:49,119 a chance the bar for giving out these third contracts 1094 00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:53,119 is now higher in this new CBA. Does this trade 1095 00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:54,800 say anything about that to you? Or do you view 1096 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,400 this as just a completely anomalous, if not inane situation. 1097 00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:03,599 Speaker 3: I think you have to. I think that's yes. I 1098 00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:06,559 think it does mean that teams are gonna be at 1099 00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:08,760 least at the moment, because this is another thing too, 1100 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,559 like we're still like rosters for the most part, are 1101 00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:17,000 still they were built under the old rules, right, like it, 1102 00:51:17,159 --> 00:51:20,119 so the rosters that exist around the league are mostly 1103 00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:24,639 products of the previous CBA, and so like this as 1104 00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:26,719 opposed to like a new trend, this might be more 1105 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,519 of an adjustment period where like, once rosters are built 1106 00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:33,039 with the new rules in mind, you know, give it 1107 00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:36,519 like a three year timeline or whatever, then teams are 1108 00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:39,639 better positioned to give out those third contracts and those 1109 00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:43,360 thirty five percents and whatever. But I do think you 1110 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,719 look at the Fox situation too, that's kind of another 1111 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,559 one where there's at least an element of he might 1112 00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:51,639 have come up, it may still unlikely, but be eligible 1113 00:51:51,639 --> 00:51:55,599 for the for the thirty the supermax, and some part 1114 00:51:55,639 --> 00:51:57,880 of the King's willingness to move him might be tied 1115 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,119 to not wanting to pay that whatever the bar is. 1116 00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:03,679 Luca was over it though, right, So, I don't know 1117 00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,840 if you can view this like as an independent like 1118 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,199 data point that justifies like the what you're saying. 1119 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,679 Speaker 2: So it's you can still be right, and I think, like, yeah. 1120 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,159 Speaker 3: It's just the penalties are more restrictive and teams should 1121 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,880 be more careful about giving out these contracts. That's kind 1122 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,880 of always been true. But I think the combination of 1123 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,400 like you know, teams have had to endure a rule 1124 00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:29,800 change and are kind of like trying to figure out 1125 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,079 what the best way to build a roster is with 1126 00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:36,000 with just like the general fear of like looking at 1127 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,519 Phoenix's future and how bleak it is, and just like this, 1128 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,280 the general reluctance to spend big, Like I think there's 1129 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:46,199 some of that. Hopefully it does make that extra big 1130 00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,000 super Max like something you only give to a select 1131 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,920 few players, as opposed to like, well, we've got a 1132 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,920 very good rookie. He's the best player on our team. 1133 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,280 He's just finished his rookie scale deal. We just give 1134 00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,239 it to him, Like, I think that is the sensible 1135 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,960 way to build teams where the super really is for 1136 00:53:01,079 --> 00:53:02,280 like true superstars. 1137 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,239 Speaker 2: But the it's so. 1138 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,880 Speaker 3: Hard for me to look at this trade and say 1139 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,559 anything about it is like indicative of broader trends just 1140 00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:15,400 because it is so strange and whatever threshold you would 1141 00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:18,159 you would say a player needs to get over to 1142 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,280 earn a Supermax, Luca has been over it since like 1143 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:22,719 his second year, you know what I mean. 1144 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,800 Speaker 2: Like, I I don't know if Luke you. 1145 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,559 Speaker 1: Would assume, but like if Luka Doncic is not above 1146 00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:31,599 that threshold, then I guess no, like nobody is there. 1147 00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,719 Nobody is and then so it's I am just curious 1148 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,679 and I would have never predicted this, and I will 1149 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,920 destroy these franchise if it comes to But it's just 1150 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,519 like this would be like the anti like Anthony Edwards 1151 00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:43,000 might be a good analog for this. He's not on 1152 00:53:43,039 --> 00:53:44,800 the same level as Luka Doncic right now, but it's 1153 00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:48,039 look at Minnesota's track record or spending, and if they 1154 00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:50,280 decide that he's not like he might, he's the nice 1155 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,239 in between between Fox and Doncic where it's Anthony Davis 1156 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,760 is clearly like an all NBA player or preenty All 1157 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,519 NBA candidate. Now, at least that's the track he's on. 1158 00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:00,880 Are we gonna see these? If we have to wait? 1159 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,320 I guess we need a larger sample size. 1160 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,280 Speaker 3: I one, we'll see, right, that'll be a good But 1161 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:06,760 I can't. 1162 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,639 Speaker 1: I'm like you, I can't view this like independent instance 1163 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,920 as the start of a broader trend because what would 1164 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,480 be the point of having a supermax if a top 1165 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,239 five player in the NBA isn't worth it? 1166 00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:21,719 Speaker 3: Right, And unless all those like spooky. We don't know, 1167 00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:24,679 like off court stuff unless that's part of it. But 1168 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,960 even then, it's just like, that's so speculative. We can't 1169 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,719 like rely on that reason. 1170 00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:34,480 Speaker 1: The lengths that teams go and still win to accommodate superstars. 1171 00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:37,519 Like it's just like, how what would you need to 1172 00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:39,920 find out to believe that it was so far gone? 1173 00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:42,559 It would have to be like Luka Doncic actually did 1174 00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:45,599 want out and was withholding services this whole time, basically, 1175 00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:48,880 And even then you have to question the Mavericks directly, 1176 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,920 because even if the MAVs made the right decision, they 1177 00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:55,719 still went in the wrong direction. 1178 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,440 Speaker 2: Mm hm, I agree. 1179 00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:59,679 Speaker 1: We said this about the Kings too with dearon Fox. 1180 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,159 We I know what they're gonna do something on a 1181 00:55:02,199 --> 00:55:04,880 lower scale of this. They're gonna prioritize players who can 1182 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,599 help them win. Now, that's not the right decision because 1183 00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:10,679 there's just no there's no way, No matter all your 1184 00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:13,800 concerns about his conditioning, his stamina is complaining, you're not 1185 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,239 like you can't be a better basketball team sustainably over 1186 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,320 the medium or long term if you're trading away Luka Dancic. 1187 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,199 I just won't. I just won't buy it, and so 1188 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,920 I'm fascinated to like, we're gonna be talking about this 1189 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:30,199 trade for years or like if not decades, and people 1190 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,440 we've been cautioned that the trade deadline was gonna be boring, 1191 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,639 and maybe all the action is getting out beforehand, but 1192 00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,760 the fireworks just like might not be done because these 1193 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,840 two teams, specifically, what if the Lakers decide we're gonna 1194 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,880 move Lebron or moving over with Luca and Lebron and 1195 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,440 now we're gonna go out and get somebody else, or 1196 00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:47,119 if the mass really believe they can win, now, are 1197 00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:48,880 they gonna put the Lakers pick on the table or 1198 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,159 they're gonna put their twenty thirty one pick on the 1199 00:55:51,199 --> 00:55:54,519 table and do something. We still have the darn Fox situation. 1200 00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:57,280 No one's off limitsed parent, where is Steph gonna be 1201 00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,719 playing this time next week? Grant, I have no clue, 1202 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:00,719 I have no idea. 1203 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:06,920 Speaker 3: It's a great reminder that like whatever the wildest scenario 1204 00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:10,239 you can come up with is just not wild enough, 1205 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,519 because I never how many fake trades do we make 1206 00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:16,440 up and or look at, never once did I see, 1207 00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:18,800 never once did I come across anything like this, Even 1208 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:19,719 as like a joke. 1209 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,880 Speaker 1: And we would have been destroyed by certainly Dallas fans 1210 00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:27,559 if we proposed to this trade like it was. That's 1211 00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,440 you know, be kinder to people who come up with 1212 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,360 fake trades unless like, unless it's clearly a joke or something, 1213 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,679 because we first of all, I never even would have no. 1214 00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:38,559 Speaker 2: No, this doesn't get off the ground. 1215 00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:40,719 Speaker 3: This is one where your editor comes back and says, like, 1216 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:42,559 I don't think this is gonna fly. 1217 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,679 Speaker 1: It's like we want traffic, but we like, we can't know. 1218 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,639 Speaker 3: We want serious trades, please or like semi serious. 1219 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,719 Speaker 1: Do you have any I mean, here's my final thing 1220 00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:57,840 is that we could talk like Luca's like for partially 1221 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,599 hydrogenated oils maybe spurred them out to move him or 1222 00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:02,119 do they really just want to duck the tax. It's 1223 00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:03,960 the only way they saw how to do it. They 1224 00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:04,800 were they had to move. 1225 00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:06,920 Speaker 2: This is the only way they saw how to do it. 1226 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,000 They should have looked harder. This is what I would say. 1227 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,159 Speaker 1: That look at it. They used Luka Dancis to get 1228 00:57:11,199 --> 00:57:13,519 off of Markkeith Morris and Maxi kleeb a. 1229 00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:16,519 Speaker 3: Great great asset management. So you know, sometimes you gotta 1230 00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:20,159 break a few eggs. Yeah, wild, the craziest trade. It 1231 00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:22,320 still doesn't feel real, unbelievable. 1232 00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:24,400 Speaker 1: Uh do you want to do? You want to take 1233 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,880 us out of here before Well, I'll let our listeners 1234 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,840 know before you go into your spiel. We will not 1235 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,079 be back, most likely before the trade deadline, in case 1236 00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:34,079 something happens. We had plans to record on Monday, but 1237 00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:35,920 we assume something was going to be blown up. I 1238 00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,960 assume we will be back again before Thursday. But now 1239 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,679 that we're still assuming that, who I I just have 1240 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,320 no clue about what's going to happen. 1241 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,679 Speaker 2: I issue this as a challenge to the NBA. 1242 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,480 Speaker 3: We probably won't do an emergency pod unless something is 1243 00:57:48,519 --> 00:57:50,960 at least as consequential as the trade that just happened. 1244 00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:54,320 Speaker 2: Oh so prove us wrong, make us pod. NBA. 1245 00:57:54,639 --> 00:57:57,519 Speaker 1: Just like Luca did not cross the threshold for the Supermax, 1246 00:57:57,559 --> 00:58:01,119 we are now holding all emergency podcasts. Luca to the 1247 00:58:01,199 --> 00:58:01,880 Lakers bar. 1248 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, beat this trade. We'll pot again. Let's see it. 1249 00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:08,599 Speaker 3: Thanks everybody for listening, for watching. I hope this helped 1250 00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:12,199 you process a truly unprocessable seismic. That's the word we 1251 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:16,639 keep using. The NBA move completely bonkers. Rate review, subscribe, leave, 1252 00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:19,679 us some comments here. Let's make this a support group 1253 00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:22,519 for people that can't believe the NBA could be this nuts. 1254 00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:25,679 Speaker 2: Tell your friends, Tell your enemy. Shouts franklo Kine apologies, 1255 00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:26,199 Dared Allen