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Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pignana Show.

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Returning to the show today, Joe Atwill, How are you doing, Joe, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Just playing Pete. How are you? Thank you for having me?

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Speaker 1: Oh, no problem at all. I've wanted to talk about

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this book on the show for a while and share

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some passages. And I noticed when when you and Tim

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Kelly on our Interesting Times the Powers and Principalities episodes,

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when you guys do those episodes, you refer to the

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book The Authoritarian Personality by Adorno and his crew often.

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So when did this book first come on your radar?

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Speaker 2: I think I started being aware of it in probably

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two thousand. I read an article by Jeffrey Steinberg, one

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of the La Rouche scholars. It was called from Cybernetics

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to Lyttleton, I believe techniques in mind control, and he,

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you know, shows the overall context of the group that

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produced it and how it relates to other elements within culture.

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And so that was kind of how I first became

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aware of it and started studying it was just through

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Steinberg's articles and descriptions of it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to let's just start getting into this book.

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Those books from nineteen fifty. I'll just share the title

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page here. It's called Studies and Prejudice the Authoritarian Person

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either by Adorno, Frankel, Bruce Brunswick, Levinson Sanford, Dynamics of Prejudice,

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Anti Semitism and Economic Old Disorder Rehearsal for Destruction, Profits

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of Deceit. And it's sponsored by the American Jewish Committee

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Social Studies Series Publication number three. And it immediately in

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the forward just starts talking about the fact that this

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is being written in nineteen fifty. The world history of

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anti Semitism is not manifesting itself with the full and

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violent destructiveness of which we know to be capable of,

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you know. And then he says people, you know, people

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aren't even remembering what just happened a few short years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hardly believable. But that's the context that they want,

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you know, the the article be read within right.

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Speaker 1: So this book was basically written for there were studies done.

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There were people who were male, white, mostly white males,

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and they asked them a series of questions. They gave

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them scenarios, and the basically how they responded to it

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was supposed to tell you their potential for becoming fascists.

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Is that what you understand?

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct. They set up what they claimed were

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empirically driven scales, so wherein the subject would give responses,

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and depending on the score of the scale, they could

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you know, attribute the potential to become what they defined

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as as a fascist. Oddly enough, the term fascist is

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not really well defined within the document. I mean, they

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have several attempts at it, but it's a broad concept.

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So the document on the second page sort of has

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a better description of the methodology. I mean, personally, I

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think the scales are ludicrous and because of the methodology

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that is developed to create them, and they explain that

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I think on page two, I think you had it

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up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: It's up on the screen right now.

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Speaker 2: The key sentence is their statement that the authors, in

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common with most social scientists, hold the view that anti

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Semitism is based more largely upon factors in the subject

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and in this total situation than upon actual characteristics of Jews,

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and that one place to look for determinants of anti

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Semitic opinion attitudems in the persons who express them. So

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the language is like a little up toes, but basically

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it's just saying that Jews are never responsible for individuals

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who have negative opinions of them. And with this methodology,

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which is this is the reason why they put this here,

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so you understand that they are to give an explanation

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as to why there are no categories of reality of

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negative opinions of Jews that are appropriate. This as a

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category of reality is not contained inside their methodology. It

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doesn't exist. So the problem therefore is that since that's

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a real thing, and there are many times I'm sure

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even you know, the most philo Semitic individual would admit

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that Jews are behaving inappropriately or undemocratically, or their ethnicity

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is being maneuvered to an advantageous position, you know, different

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things that one could reasonably state would be it would

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be appropriate to resist or be opposed to. But that

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can never be measured or be a phenomenon with the

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methodology that they're presenting to us here. It just is

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not possible because they're only measured measuring the determinants are

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the attitudes and opinions within the person who expressed them,

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and not in actual characteristics of Jews. So the you wonder,

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you know, therefore, why would they even bod with this

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since they start out with something that is clearly a fantasy, right,

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It's it's just and incidentally, because of this, you have

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this statement concerning you know, they just accept as a

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premise that that Jews are not responsible for any kind

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of negative reaction to them, and then you go on

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in the asymmetric situation, having like seven hundred pages of

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of kind of ways of figuring out where Christians are

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Gentiles are neurotic because they have negative reactions to Jews

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in certain circumstances. So it is just on its face,

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and from the very beginning it seems it seems really

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more sophist than it is, you know, an attempt at

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developing some you know, train of thoughts and reasons. So

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you do this? I mean, it's it's not even you know,

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on its face, an attempt at really finding anything that's

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real in terms of ether anti Semitism or or philo Semitism.

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we'll we'll go through it, I'm sure, but at the

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end they actually explain, you know, what they have in

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mind for for this approach to you know, understanding personalities, right,

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because that's really what this is this and really what

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you're dealing with here is propaganda at the end. I mean,

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you know, if you don't mind, how just jump to

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the conclusion. We we'll sure you can go through the

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process as well. But I just at the end of

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the thing they talk about, well, you know, we are

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totally justified because of the potential for an individual to

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become more fascistic, you know, without direct kind of intervention,

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to come up with a you know, basically an approach

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what they which they call democratic propaganda, and again not

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well defined, but clearly what they're talking about is overcoming

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resistance to the understanding that to the Christian or the

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gentle understanding that all negative responses to Jews are neurotic.

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I mean that I would say is an honest and

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reasonable characterization of what they're trying to, you know, to

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get across here. And they're completely justified in this. In fact,

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they're kind of very smug and happy about being able

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to do it, and they talk about organizing all of

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the psychological sciences and kind of an effort to achieve this.

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now you could go through the authoritory and personality and

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just say, well, this is following, you know, the Holocaust.

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American Jewish Committee. They hired a bunch of guys and

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it's kind of crackpot. But you know, if they want

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to feel that way, so what you know, let them,

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you know, go forward. What's what's the problem? Well, the

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problem then is that during the development of this, Horckenheimer

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and Adorno we're consulting with what's called the Cybernetics Conference

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that was held within the Macy conferences. It was one

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of the subconferences of the Macy and this is really

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where elmen k Ultra comes from. And so you you

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end up with them stating that they're going to use

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instead of kind of this fascistic propaganda, they're going to

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use the propaganda of arrows. So now this then becomes

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one of the justific cations of you know what is

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k ultra. And this of course then leads directly into

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the counterculture. So you start having broad social change that

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seems to be in the stream of the analytic process

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that the authoritory personality is part of. And so here's

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where it really becomes dangerous because now you have the

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sex drugs and rock and roll, the erro's propaganda that

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you know they are using basically, you know, just to digress,

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what what the authoritory personality really negates is monogamy, family,

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and ethnic pride in Gentiles. And these are i would say,

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honest characterizations of you know, of what they would would

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call as you know, as neurotic. They're they're saying that

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it's that these things are uh you know, can lead

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to fascism. And and you gave me before you started recording.

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kinds of uh you know, like methods that they are

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able to discern which can lead so called to fascism,

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you know, how how kind of bizarre they are. But

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in in in you know, in the case of the

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broad cultural thing they have, they are attacking basically family,

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monogamy and and even sort of delayed gratification. Now, these

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things are all part of cultural power. Without these things,

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without family, without delayed gratification, and without sexual restraint, you're

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not going to have really very much of a culture,

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are you. It won't really go forward very far. So

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then the question arises when you when you look at

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this stuff in the authoritary and personality, and then how

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it how it goes forward in time into into the

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counter culture. The question has to come up is like,

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is this basically a kind of ethnic attack? I mean,

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are these scales and are are the attitudes that are

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that are being developed really deliberately being done so for

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the purpose of shattering Christian and European culture. You know,

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it's it's a it's a brutal question, but it is

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one that just comes right out of out of the

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information that's you know, available in the authoritory personality. Now,

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the counterculture. But you also have to have it in

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the context going backwards because well, again to digress, the

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real manifestation of the authoritarian personality would be aeros and

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civilization by Herbert MARKUSA, who was a Frankfort School member

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and was an associate of all of these individuals. A

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lot of the people who developed the authoritarian personality were

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brought to the US by the American Jewish Committee who

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had been Frankfurt School members, particularly Horkenheimer and Adorno. Marcusa

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did not participate in the authoring of the authority and personality,

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but he he picks up on the you know, on

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the conclusions and then produces the his book Aeros and Civilization,

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which which will give away my age, but I read

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the height of the counterculture, and it was sort of

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the intellectual mainspring of a lot of counterculture ideas. It

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unbridled sexuality. In other words, you know, there's no real

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reason for monogamy that you know. He he basically blends

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they would be less neuro if if the you know,

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instead of having sexual restraint you had not just you know,

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you had polysexualism and every magical kind of sexuality. Even

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like he even negates hygiene as being neurotic. So you know,

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in the late sixties and early seventies. So he really

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was you know, justification for it. And you know, okay,

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throw turned personality was not just some you know, kind

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of library book that people could look at if they,

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you know, couldn't fall asleep and were looking something to

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help them, because it's massively boring, incidentally, but it becomes

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really animated, it gets into you know, the culture of Europeans,

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and that's why you you know, you really have to

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look at this in context, you know, And I whenever

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that the Frankfurt School was really, you know, generated by

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primarily through Gregor Lucas, and he was the one who

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who organized it intellectually, and it reflects his ideas. And

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it's just critical then to look at, you know, what

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real world, because he ran the the cultural and educational

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department of the Hungary Hungarian Soviet in the nineteen nineteen revolution,

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and there he basically set up a kind of the

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conclusion of the authoritary and personality as overall pedagogy of

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the Hungarian public school system. So what would happen is

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of sex education that public schools are now providing in

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the afternoon, they would read them fairy tales in which

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there's an actual exchange between these individuals where they talk

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the kind of bourgeois idea of humanness, how they're they're

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their being humans. And now now Lucas was a murderous

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and then that's when Luchas you know, high tailed it

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to Germany re set up to Frankfurt school. But again,

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you know the context, you go forward and you look

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at things like the Mouseketeers or the Playboy bunnies, the

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idea of you know, an animal basically avatar, which becomes

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a part of your personality. You can see that the

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ideas are I don't know how else to describe it,

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but are very long standing. And and then bear in

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mind that in the authoritary and personality, you know, you

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can sort of excuse we get to the final thing,

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you'll see how imperial. You know, the attitude is of

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the people who are writing it. You know, it's very

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much they have the moral right to be able to

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arrange the minds of all of the people that they

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feel are inferior or neurotic. But you know they had

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the justification, or at least they they would they would

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say they did. Dorno mentioned this of the Holocaust. However,

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if you look at this context, you can see that

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Lucas had the exact same approach to dealing with European culture.

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And this was, you know, thirty years before the World

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War two broke out. So you're looking it seems to

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me at just a kind of a long standing relationship

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between this group of Jewish intellectuals and an European culture.

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Speaker 1: That part of the ending there is very important to

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know that people can make the excuses, oh never again,

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never again. But they were talking about this long before

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World War two ever happened. Long before anyone knew the

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name of Adolf Hitler.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, and just to not to put a

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plug in. But I would mention that I have another

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understanding of of the development of the Nazi Party. I

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have a paper out called The Freemason Invention of the

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Nazi Party. It's not hidden behind a paywall. If you

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just type in that and uh, I think actually you

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might have typed in post Flaviana, which is the website

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of that. But anyway, post Leviana in my name, and

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it should pop right up. Doesn't cost any money, and

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it's just I think it's it's an article that helps

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kind of understand a lot of the assertions about the

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origin of the Nazi Party, particularly that it was something

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that came organically out of the German people, are absolutely false.

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terrible world of of Holocaust denial, which is not something

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I'm trying to enter into. But I I do think

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that I can inform that, you know, historical event, at

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least I'm not informing it. But there are there are

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these thoughts. I mean, if you read the article, you'll

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see that none of the the assertions I made are

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are things which are you know, conjectural. I mean everything

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is is kind of you know, it's all been recorded,

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it just hasn't been assembled so that people can actually

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see how the Nazi Party came about. And so you know,

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when you get to the authoritary and personality they they

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can claim. I mean, if you if you had a

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Dorno in Horckenheimer here, Pete, I'm sure they you could

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discuss with them, you know, aren't you guys kind of

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beyond anything that the fascists ever did with this approach.

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I mean, this isn't this just raw evil to be

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so matter of fact about being morally permitted to go

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into people's minds and to against their will, overcome their

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their self, and to uh use propaganda to to control them.

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You know, they would say, well, we have justification because

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of the Holocaust. But I just think that's really far fetched,

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and that would be something that would be a discussion

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that we really need to be had in public. You know,

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there's be something we should take care of in public

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so everyone can participate in that particular discussion.

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Speaker 1: So I just wanted to go over some of the

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things in the body before we get to the conclusion.

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Just some highlights things that they see as leading to

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authoritarianism or someone becoming more fascistic. The first thing they

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say talk about is conventionalism, which they define as rigid

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adherence to conventional middle class values. Second one, yeah, oh man.

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The second one is authoritarian submission, submissive, uncritical attitude towards

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idealized moral authorities of the in group. Then there's authoritarian aggression,

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which they describe as a tendency to be on the

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lookout for and to condemn, reject, and punish people who

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violate conventional values. This one is rather interesting. It's called

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anti interception. It is an opposition to the subjective, the imaginative,

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the tender minded. What does that mean, Joe.

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Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't mean anything at all. I mean, you

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have to remember that. I really don't think they took

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this seriously. I mean, what you're really dealing with the

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authoritary and personality is it is propaganda. So at its core,

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the idea that it is presenting science is a carefully

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crafted veneer that is meant to fool people. But when

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you ask direct questions like that about the category of

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reality that they're claiming to be analyzing, this stuff just

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disappears I'll just you know, to explain it. I will

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show that, you know, I'll give I'll give out that

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what I think is the is the best kind of

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the joke of the authoritary and personality. At the end,

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but they talk about how they're justified in using propaganda

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in order to right to you know, to to be

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able to change the mind of the of the Christian. Well,

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the first example of the propaganda pete is this horatory

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personality itself. I mean, what it's doing is trying to

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set up a kind of you know, it's sort of

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a scientific veneer for intimidation. The average person couldn't spend

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what like too minutes reading this stuff before they would

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either fall asleep or you know, give up and trying

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to understand it. But because it's this huge book and

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you know, it has the veneer of science, I think

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it creates, you know, certainly within the social sciences a

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kind of power. And so this is really the purpose

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of the authoritarian personality and all of these strange categories

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that they have imagined into existence, is that in Toto

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it's intimidating to some people. They would they would not

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have the sense of it being ludicrous and therefore they

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would take it seriously. Remember this is coming out post

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World War two. The it's coming out in the in

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the world in which German atrocities are being presented to

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the American public almost daily, and so in that context,

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it has it has power, has power of intimidation. But

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you just are you know, you're you're going into a

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place where there is just literally ether, because you know,

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when you when you try to analyze these things, and

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you know, like, well, you know, is there anything to

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this category, or can it be expressed slightly differently, or

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how would it be determined, you know, in terms of

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empirical observation from other close like phenomenal. I mean, it's

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all disappears, it's all just hocus focused. So it's it is.

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of science. Uh, and it has the declarations of frankly,

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of fascism. I mean, that's really, in my opinion, how

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I characterized it. That's how I characterized the ending of it.

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They talk about we're entitled to use the propaganda of

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arrows and this is a better kind of propaganda than

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the propaganda of fascism. But I'm afraid that the moral

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uh sort of perspective that you you are entitled two

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uh to control the minds of people against their will

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and to find ways to to uh, you know, destroy

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their culture against their will without disclosing it to them

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that you're doing this. Well, you know, just pick your term.

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But but certainly evil would come to mind.

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Speaker 1: So the next thing they talk about is superstition and stereotypy.

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Basically there the belief in magical determinants of anything having

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to do with God, if you believe in if you

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believe in God. Next one is power and toughness. Preoccupation

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with dominant submission, strong weak, leader, follower or dimensions, identifying

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with powerful figures, over emphasis upon the conventionalized attributes of

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the ego, exagger created assertion of strength and toughness. So basically,

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you know, become you know, become docile and accept whatever

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we're going to do to you. They have destructiveness and cynicism,

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generalized hostility, uilification of the human projectivity, the disposition to

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believe that wild and dangerous things go on in the world,

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the projection outwards of unconscious emotional impulses. Do you think

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that this is referring to like early take pre propper

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take on conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 2: Sure of course it is. Yeah, yeah, I mean they

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they were aware of that there would be contestation, and

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so they're going to try to push all of the

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critics into you know, some category to keep that analysis

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and going forward. I mean, you know, it's really these

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are just if you look at the authority and person

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analogies strictly as propaganda for control, then it makes it

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just so much more sense. It's so much easier to read,

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and you can really understand the you know, the the

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point of the authors, the point of the authors is

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not to you know, develop some kind of understanding of reality.

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The point is that we are we are we are

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describing a process of propaganda that we are justified in

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executing upon you against your will, overcoming your resistance, and

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we are in that process right now. Our categories are

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not things in reality, or we don't have to show

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them that they are. But by using them in this way,

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you know, as as elements of something that's neurotic, you know,

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like like you were talking about adherence to convention, this

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is somehow you know, neurotic or leading tofescialism. They're just

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setting up their future of control. You see what I mean.

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It's just these are just little steps toward the kind

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of control that you now see. I was reading last

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week about this English politician, a woman. She was black,

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I believe, and she made a statement like to the

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effect that Jews shouldn't feel that, you know, they've been

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discriminated in a worse way than like Irish people. She

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had a few, you know, groups that she had in mind,

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and she was just condemned and they tried to kick

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her out of their political party, even though the statement

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was you know, just seemingly objectively correct and certainly didn't

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could come from a place in the heart other than

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anti Semitism. It could just be an attempt to you know,

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categorize with the individuals I was real, but the reaction

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was incredibly vicious. And to get to that point where

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just to bring up the idea that Jewish suffering is

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not and has not been greater, and has no more

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moral basis in and of itself than the suffering and

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persecus and of other ethnicities. To get to the point

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where you can have the response that they did in

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the media, you've had to have gone through a very

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long process, and this is the authoritary and personality is

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part of that. It's just little by little it has

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come to pass that, you know, to to to criticize

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uh sort of Jewish misbehavior, undemocratic behavior is come from

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a bad place in the heart. It is antisemitic, and

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they've been they have just you know, very systematically gone

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through the you know, the use of the media over time,

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and have gotten to the point now where they can

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actually have that. And there isn't a strong reaction against

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the media, you know, you know, because I think if

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that reaction had occurred, like in nineteen fifty, there would

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have just been enormous response against the media that tried

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to shut someone down who was talking about Irish suffering

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as being having the moral equivalency of the suffering of Jews.

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But today, you know, we are in a different kind

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of social construct and so they can get away with it.

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But it's it has you know, when we look at

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the authority and personality, you're just looking at something that

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was part of all of that.

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Speaker 1: The last thing they mentioned is the person who maybe

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have an exaggerated concern with sexual goings on. I assume

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that's with other people. So if you come forward a

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little bit next page talk about conventionalism. The modern church,

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with its many rules and hypocrisies, does not appeal to

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the deeply religious person. It appeals mainly to the childish,

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the insecure, and the uncritical. That's basically what they're going upon.

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One should avoid doing things in public which appear wrong

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to others, even though one knows that these things are

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really all right. There is too much emphasis in colleges

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on intellectual and theoretical topics, not enough emphasis on practical

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matters and on homely virtues of living. Apparently that's a problem.

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That's an opinion, that's a problem. Although leisure is a

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fine thing, it's good hard work that makes life interesting

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in worldwide worthwhile what a man does is not so

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important so long as he does it well. There's a

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problem then if you come forward a little bit more

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authoritarian submission. One of the main values of progressive education

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is that it gives the child great freedom in expressing

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those natural impulses and desires so often frowned upon by

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conventional middle class society. They're clearly talking about how the

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child needs to be if the parent has any kind

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of conservative, conservative ideas, and it's bringing their child up

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that way, progressive education should be pushed upon them. I mean,

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there's no other way to interpret things like statements like.

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Speaker 2: This, of course. I mean it's actually clarifying because it

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points out that sexual restraint is, in their opinion, neurotic

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and leads to fascism. Okay, so you know, if you

475
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,680
ask them to explain it, I'm sure they would have

476
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:06,480
some you know, some kind of train of thought they

477
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,239
could present. But if you said, well, what are the

478
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:16,679
what are the benefits of sexual restraints? I mean, because

479
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,159
they see so what you're looking at there is this

480
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,159
is critical theory. This you know, going back to the

481
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:27,239
statement that they make at the beginning about how there

482
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:32,239
are no negative sort of attributes and Jews. You know,

483
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,159
we're not studying that. That's not a category of reality.

484
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:41,719
We're just looking at this the the neurosis and gentiles

485
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,000
that makes them dislike or destruct Jews. That's so that's

486
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:49,159
the category. Well that enables them to go forward. And

487
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,760
you come to this point, and you don't need to

488
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,800
in any way, you know, put this into any kind

489
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,639
of perspective. You can just look at it and say,

490
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,599
we know that this can lead to fascism. We have

491
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:09,320
our little train of thought to share that it does,

492
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,920
and therefore we can categorize it as neurotic and put

493
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,320
it in our scales, and this would be something that

494
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,119
you could actually start adding them up and seeing if

495
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:24,559
the person was, you know, a potential fascist. Well, you

496
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:29,159
know that's that. Obviously it's sophistry, it's it's it's just

497
00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:33,840
the opposite of science. But moreover, it is it is

498
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:37,559
it's the application of critical theory, where all they're doing

499
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,000
is just finding a way to criticize. And it doesn't

500
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,000
matter what is the positive aspect of it. That is

501
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:47,119
never going to be discussed, never going to be analyzed.

502
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:50,519
You're never going to put that into the process by

503
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:54,199
which you're determining if it is if the attribute is

504
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:58,280
beneficial or negative. I mean, that is a really good example.

505
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,519
I'm glad you brought that up because as people can

506
00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:04,079
really see what the authoritarian personality is clearly with that,

507
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:09,320
you can see that obviously sexual restraint has an upside.

508
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:12,840
There is benefits to it, like for example, monogamy works

509
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:18,039
well with sexual restraint, but that is not on the

510
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:21,480
table for discussion. That's all part of the things which

511
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:26,719
you know are are irrelevant. We are just trying to

512
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,760
find a way of all of the different ways that

513
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,440
fascism can be produced and so it can fit into

514
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,440
this process that we have we have determined exists. Okay,

515
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,519
what can you say? It is? Uh, it's irrelevant in

516
00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:50,280
that it has because you've you've you not weighing you know,

517
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:55,280
the all of the benefits of sexual restraint in your scale,

518
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,360
in your equation. But moreover, as they present it, it

519
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,360
goes back to the point I was making only that

520
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,280
what you're dealing with here is just propaganda. It isn't

521
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,840
it isn't really designed to function as science or be

522
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,599
stuff that other that tests can be done. I mean,

523
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:11,760
you know, with science's suposed to be able to replicate. That's

524
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,760
all these last attributes of it. That has nothing to

525
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,760
do with this. This is just this is just propaganda.

526
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,880
This is just an example, as is Marcus's book Arosi Civilization,

527
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,599
of the of the application of the pseudoscience to to

528
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,480
give of veneer of science to propaganda. So that's that's

529
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:32,280
what you got here.

530
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, just mentioned a couple of the last ones they

531
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,480
mentioned here. Obedience and respect for authority are the most

532
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:43,800
important virtues children should learn. That's a problem. I know,

533
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,840
some people personally believe that what this country needs is

534
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,400
fewer laws and agencies and more courageous, tireless, devoted leaders

535
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,559
whom the people can put faith put their faith in.

536
00:37:56,199 --> 00:38:00,840
That's a problem. No sane, normal, decent person could ever

537
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,880
think of hurting a close friend or relative. That's a

538
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:10,079
you know, that's a problem. Being tribalistic, which is great

539
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:14,320
coming from this crowd, But the authoritarian aggression. Before we

540
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,400
move on to the last chapter and start looking at

541
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:24,239
some points in there, the one that is the one

542
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,440
that really stuck out to me when I was reading

543
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,639
through this was point number seventy five. Here it says,

544
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:34,559
if you believe that sex crimes such as rape and

545
00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:39,840
attacks on children deserve more than mere imprisonment, that such

546
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:45,280
criminals ought to be publicly whipped. That's a problem.

547
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: Joe, Yeah, terrible, isn't it. Just imagine that as a

548
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:57,519
you know, as like an element in an algorithm that

549
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,119
was you know, trying to like determine you know, personality.

550
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:08,800
I mean, this is just preposterous how they would be

551
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,599
able to like link these commune the idea of even

552
00:39:11,639 --> 00:39:13,800
coming up with such a concept and then trying to

553
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,960
come to methodology to be able to test it to

554
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,320
see if that links into fascism? What are you even

555
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,239
doing here? So it's I think, don't you think it's

556
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:28,440
useful to look at these things as basically they're taking

557
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:34,000
what are really kind of cultural guidelines and they are

558
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:40,000
then defining them as neuros neurotic and thereby they are

559
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:45,079
just tearing apart a culture, right. I mean, imagine if

560
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:47,639
you took this these scales and then took it to

561
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,880
Israel today and then tried to see how if there

562
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,719
was an anti Palestinian bias, and all of the categories

563
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:59,039
were related to the relationship between the Israelis and the Palestinians,

564
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:04,119
and all negative aspects of determining, you know, like will

565
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:07,800
the Palestinians are are are to you know, to to

566
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,320
if you define fascism as having some kind of negative

567
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,360
incarceration aspect towards the Palestinian if that was how the

568
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,159
scales were all being designed, they again you would you

569
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:24,679
would have like it would work absolutely perfectly and you

570
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,440
would see that, well, the Israelis have a negative aspect

571
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:34,760
or perspective of the Palestinians, And what would you what

572
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,559
would you have demonstrated I mean it's just there is

573
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:41,800
no you know, there's no process, and I just wanted

574
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,480
to digress. I mean, the the reason why these things

575
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:51,800
are are evil is because they take away from the

576
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,519
one thing that we really need to promote, which is

577
00:40:54,599 --> 00:41:00,119
the socratic method. I mean, we have to work out

578
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:04,880
our differences, ethnic differences, sexual differences. We need to work

579
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:10,199
them out using facts and reasoning, and we need to

580
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:15,199
work them out publicly. We can't create, you know, secret

581
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,440
agendas like the one that the authoritarian personality describes. So

582
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:24,880
when you have something like the authoritarian personality scale, all

583
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,239
it's doing is finding a way to prevent the process

584
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,960
that really needs to happen to have the best possible world,

585
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:39,840
which is that the individuals would not see like a

586
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:46,599
psychological perspective, you know, as being necessarily neurotic are beneficial.

587
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,639
They would simply say, Okay, we're different. There's different issues,

588
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,960
you know, different perspectives we've got to like try to

589
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:59,639
work out using facts and reasoning. And when you lead

590
00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:04,320
away from that, when you get into the idea of neurosis, right,

591
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:10,800
and and they talk about overcoming resistance right using propaganda, well,

592
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,920
and this is evil. I mean, the only path that

593
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,840
humans can walk, that can lead anywhere to either that's

594
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,880
real or good. Is the one that uses facts and

595
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,400
reasoning as a way of communicating with one another. And

596
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:36,840
if you if you move to to justify propaganda for

597
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:42,360
the purpose of control and overcoming the resistance on the

598
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,079
individuals who are being you know, subjected to the propaganda,

599
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,920
and you're doing this in secret and without telling them, well,

600
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,800
I mean, this is just nihilism, you know, It's just

601
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:58,360
it's a It has to be resisted, it has to

602
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,920
be it has to be overcome, and it has to

603
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,079
be exposed. Which is why I'm glad we're having our

604
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:07,239
discussion here, because the authoritory and personality is actually not

605
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,199
a bad place to start, you know, the process of

606
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:16,440
trying to engage with you know, uh, you know kind

607
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,880
of kind of people who are using terms like anti semitism,

608
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:25,239
holocaust denier, conspiracy theorists, you know, all of the the

609
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:30,199
restraints for communication and the socratic method that we have

610
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,559
in place today. And so when you expose this, when

611
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:37,360
you expose the authoritary and personality is really just ludicrous,

612
00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:43,320
thinly veiled propaganda and using science as one of its

613
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:48,800
you know, bamboozlements and this is all clear cut. Where

614
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,320
does this leave us? You know, well, hopefully it will

615
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,639
lead us into an exchange with the people who've been

616
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:02,840
using these intimidating approaches to reconnect, so that we can

617
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,119
start talking to another, you know, in a real way

618
00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:11,760
about legitimate self interests or however you want to characterize it,

619
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:14,679
but just that we'd have a process that would that

620
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,519
would actually be something that would be involved with our

621
00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:22,239
natural human intelligence and the connection to reality of facts

622
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:22,800
and reasoning.

623
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,639
Speaker 1: Well, I jumped ahead. I have this separated. It's the

624
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:34,000
conclusions is chapter twenty three? Where did you want to start?

625
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,159
You had mentioned not having to read the whole thing, but.

626
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 2: I always just go to the end of it, you know,

627
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,440
because I think that's that's kind of the last couple

628
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,280
of pages it talks about.

629
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,199
Speaker 1: Let's see, let me let me start with this, because

630
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,039
go ahead, he gets He starts getting into ethnoicentrism here,

631
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:04,039
and he says, confronted with the rigidity of the adult ethnocentrist,

632
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:07,679
one turns naturally to the question of whether the prospects

633
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:11,440
for healthy personality structure would not be greater if the

634
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,760
proper influences were brought to bear earlier in the individual's life.

635
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:18,719
And since the earlier the influence, the more profound it

636
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:24,639
will be attention becomes focused upon child training. It would

637
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:28,679
not and this section right here is highlighted, it would

638
00:45:28,679 --> 00:45:31,199
not be difficult on the basis of the clinical and

639
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,719
genetic studies reported in this volume to propose a program which,

640
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:41,719
even in the present cultural pattern, could produce non ethnocentric personalities.

641
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,440
All that is really essential is that the children be

642
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:49,880
genuinely loved and treated as individual humans.

643
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and subjected to, you know, basically a kind of

644
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,800
mind control that would take them away from you know,

645
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,480
you know, not just the sense of ethnicity, as it

646
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:06,239
is a negative thing, but to think of think of

647
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,840
all of the positive aspects that it has, right And remember,

648
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,800
you know, you're also going to have to be wearing

649
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,440
away against family because you know, they talk about in

650
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,760
the thirditary person on how family can also be an

651
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,360
issue and problem and so so you have you know,

652
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:27,079
this is you're back to Gregor Lucas's you know, Hungarian

653
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:29,760
Soviet at that point, you know, where they've got the kids,

654
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,679
they're not going to let them have any sense of

655
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,719
ethnic pride. Now, now, just bear in mind that he's

656
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,320
not talking about Jewish ethnic pride, because remember going back

657
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:47,000
to page two, the what is negative is not something

658
00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:53,039
that is, as is defined, possible to occur inside Jewish people.

659
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:59,039
Just read read read the sentence which describes their methodology.

660
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,920
They just it's not there. So they're not talking about

661
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:08,559
the problem of ethnicity or that that ethnicity is a

662
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:14,679
problem for Jews. This is simply a problem for Christians

663
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:21,400
and Europeans, and and so then they would like to

664
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,039
have access to the kids to get rid of their ethnicities,

665
00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:29,199
because nowhere in this document can there be, as they

666
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:34,360
set up their methodology, any criticism of Jewish behavior, Jewish

667
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:40,519
ethnic power, inappropriate Jewish ethnic power. You know, it's just

668
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:43,760
the problem or all residing as they see it inside

669
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,880
of European and Christians. And therefore, when you give your

670
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:53,079
children over to this group, you know, yeah, I could,

671
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:55,639
I can easily. In fact, when you know, Pete, when

672
00:47:55,679 --> 00:48:00,519
you think about like the woke consciousness that that we

673
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:02,760
have in the United States, now, I mean, isn't that

674
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,960
really what they're talking about? Yeah, isn't that really Wasn't

675
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,320
that really the goal of this this this uh, you know,

676
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,880
the philosophy that's being presented here.

677
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there it is.

678
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:19,039
Speaker 2: You know. So so this is this is where part

679
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:20,920
of what what you know it comes from. And then

680
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:28,960
you know, they they talk about, uh, you know that

681
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,639
that they say that it is safe to assume, ever

682
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:37,519
that fascism is imposed on the people. Well, I don't know,

683
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,599
you know why it is safe to assume that with

684
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,599
the definitions being so bizarre that they set up in

685
00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:48,440
any case, that it actually goes against their basic interests

686
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:54,559
according to their definitions. And so you know, they they

687
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:58,440
say that, I'm trying to think how they right, and

688
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:05,079
so they go that resistance to self insight and resistance

689
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:10,039
to social fact are contrived most essentially of the same stuff.

690
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,000
It is here that psychology may play its most important rule.

691
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:19,079
Techniques for overcoming resistance, developed mainly in the field of

692
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:24,400
individual psychotherapy, can be improved and adapted for use with

693
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,280
groups and even for use on a mass scale. Now, Pete,

694
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,559
I just want to read that again because I think,

695
00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:36,440
I mean, this may seem like it is absolutely crazy,

696
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,840
but what you're seeing here is really the you know,

697
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,079
the revelation of of the world that we are experiencing. Now,

698
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:48,039
I mean, this is this is like kind of the

699
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:52,880
mechanical and you know principle that that we're all being

700
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,239
subject to. It says resistance to self insight. They define that,

701
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,320
of course, in resistance to social fact are contrived most

702
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,119
essentially of the same stuff. It is here that psychology

703
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:09,079
may play its most important role. Techniques for overcoming resistance,

704
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,719
developed mainly in the field of individual psychotherapy, can be

705
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,760
improved and adapted for use with groups and even for

706
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:19,039
use on a mass scale. Now remember Adorno and Herckenheimer,

707
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:23,199
who are really the intellectual heads of these group. As

708
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,920
I can as I can best I can tell they

709
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:31,280
are contributing into the cybernetics conference that were part of

710
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:36,559
the Macy's. Right, this was where the ideas of how

711
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:43,639
to control humans through different psychological and sociological techniques were

712
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:50,199
being worked out. Norbert Weener, you know who is, you know,

713
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,480
he was talking about the human mind as a computer.

714
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:58,320
We can program it, we can code it. Now the

715
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,760
MACY conference then blur because really the two kind of

716
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,719
kind of organizations don't really have an ending or beginning.

717
00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:11,760
But the MACYS starts funding what becomes the mk Ultra

718
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:21,079
experiments for just absolute, you know, kind of mechanical control

719
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:24,679
over human beings, many of the many of the experiments.

720
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,719
You know, you can kind of make sense out of them.

721
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,639
They don't have really good descriptions, but you can kind

722
00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:32,320
of make sense in any case that they're clearly trying

723
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,400
to just find a way to mechanically control human beings.

724
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:44,920
So the the idea that they are altruistic is negated

725
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:50,119
completely by you know, by by what Horkenheimer and are

726
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:52,559
doing with the you know, with the Macy conference and

727
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:57,119
then into MK Ultra. You know, this is a small

728
00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:03,199
group who has no power, no power given to them

729
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,360
by democracy. They are doing it for their narrow and

730
00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:13,920
ethnic purposes, whatever they are. Because they are a secret society,

731
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,559
we if this, you know, their motivations are not on

732
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,119
the table. We don't get to analyze them, we don't

733
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:25,239
get to to interrogate them. You know, they talk about

734
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,719
overcoming resistance. Right. That all has to do with the

735
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,119
idea that none of this could be disclosed because if

736
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:35,199
if they are, if you are with propaganda, if you

737
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,840
know it's propaganda, it loses its power, right, So this

738
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,960
is all design. What they're talking about is the secret

739
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:47,440
manipulation through techniques that they will develop. Basically, m K

740
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:51,440
ultra that stuff that they will use to control the

741
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,800
minds of the people inside the society they want to affect.

742
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,320
So that's that's really what you've got there. That's one

743
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,400
of the reasons why, you know, like when I when

744
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,719
I discuss kind of uh, you know, social problems with

745
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,960
Tim Kelly and on little podcasts we do, we we

746
00:53:11,079 --> 00:53:14,719
use like the authoritarian personality almost like an adjective, you

747
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,039
know what I mean. I mean, we just we just

748
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,519
you know, feel people should know about what it is

749
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:26,159
and and how it's it's designed to bring about the

750
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:31,159
woke consciousness right of of no ethnicity, no sexual restraint,

751
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,480
no hygiene. I mean, that's maybe, but all all of

752
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:39,280
these things are negative. They're all neurotic as they define them.

753
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,960
And so you get to this point where we are

754
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,639
now the people who are the victims of these things

755
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:49,480
because they've been implemented with cleverness and with and are

756
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:53,599
incrementally implemented. People don't even know, you know, they they

757
00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:57,079
think that, gee, I'm you know, I am a liberal,

758
00:53:57,199 --> 00:54:01,000
I am modern. I have thrown off the yoke of

759
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:05,639
ethnicity and sexual restraint, and I've I'm considering, you know,

760
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,960
changing my sexuality I'm free, I'm liberty. Well, I mean

761
00:54:11,519 --> 00:54:17,039
this individual is just profoundly diluted and profoundly uh, basically

762
00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:20,719
controlled that what they think is freedom, they don't understand

763
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,599
is is actually very very powerful control that has been

764
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:31,440
created by individuals, some of whom were in the development

765
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,679
of the authoritary and personality. And then you know, others

766
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,320
have you know, obviously been in this project for well

767
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:42,320
for hundreds of years. But you you when you you

768
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,920
get to the point where you think, well, I have

769
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:50,719
now overcome biology and I can change my sex sex sexuality,

770
00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:55,719
I don't the idea of family is is you know, passe,

771
00:54:56,039 --> 00:55:00,000
how were we going to character? But you know, you

772
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:03,880
they don't. One, they don't recognize that they're actually as

773
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:10,800
controlled as you know, basically a robot. And two they

774
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:18,719
don't understand that they have gone to such a destructive

775
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:23,199
cul de sad that they're literally living inside a culture

776
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:29,079
that cannot have more than one generation. Right, these groups,

777
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:33,800
the woke consciousness, the transsexual you know, I mean, they

778
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:38,800
don't have any power approcreation. I mean, you know, you

779
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,159
might have like one in ten thousand or something, but

780
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,519
it is not so they are not even inside a

781
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,960
you know, a culture that has another generation. And so

782
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,519
that's why I try to tell people, I go, look,

783
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,840
you know, you think you're free, but you not only

784
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,679
are you not free, and are you and you are

785
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,920
being controlled, what you're being genocided? You see, this is

786
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,559
all just in fact, a very kind of clever birth control.

787
00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:10,960
Where you're inside now a culture that cannot replicate, it

788
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,039
can't even have another generation.

789
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: One of the points that they make here try and

790
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:21,719
finish on this is psychology. You know, changing one child

791
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,840
at a time? Is it going to work? They say?

792
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,440
It seems obvious therefore, that the modification of the potentially

793
00:56:27,519 --> 00:56:32,239
fascist structure cannot be achieved by psychological means alone. The

794
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,800
task is comparable to that of eliminating neurosis, or delinquency

795
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,360
or nationalism from the world. Those are products of the

796
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,320
total organization of society and are to be changed only

797
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,159
as that society has changed. It is not for the

798
00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:48,800
psychologists to be to say how such changes are to

799
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,559
be brought about. The problem is one which requires the

800
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:56,400
effort of all social scientists. All that, all that we

801
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,920
would insist upon is that in the councils around say,

802
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,559
where the problem is considered an action's planned the psychologists

803
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:06,599
should have a voice. We believe that the scientific understanding

804
00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:08,760
of society must be an understanding of what it does

805
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,880
to people, and that it is possible to have social reforms,

806
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,079
even broad and sweeping ones which, though desirable in their

807
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:18,039
own right, would not necessarily change the structure of the

808
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:22,239
prejudice personality. For the fascist potential to change, or even

809
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,880
to be held in check, there must be an increase

810
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,480
in people's capacity to see themselves and to be themselves.

811
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:32,559
This cannot be achieved by the manipulation of people, however

812
00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:36,199
well grounded in modern psychology the devices of manipulation might be,

813
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:41,320
and it is a judgment which finds support in the

814
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,599
present study, that the man who was first to seize

815
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:46,360
power will be the last to give it up. It

816
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,599
is safe to assume, however, that fascism is imposed on

817
00:57:49,639 --> 00:57:52,960
the people, that it actually goes against their basic interests,

818
00:57:53,199 --> 00:57:55,360
and that when they can be made fully aware of

819
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,440
themselves in their situation, they are capable of behaving realistically.

820
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,199
That people too often cannot see the workings of society

821
00:58:04,599 --> 00:58:09,159
or their own role within it only is due not

822
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,480
only to our social control that does not tell the truth,

823
00:58:12,519 --> 00:58:15,480
but to a blindness that is rooted in their own psychology.

824
00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:19,360
Although it cannot be claimed the psychological insight is any

825
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,519
guarantee of any of insight into society, there is ample

826
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:26,159
evidence that the people who have the greatest difficulty in

827
00:58:26,199 --> 00:58:29,280
facing themselves are the least able to see the world

828
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,960
the way the world is made. Resistance to self insight

829
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,360
and resistance to social facts are contrived most essentially of

830
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,880
the same stuff. It is here that psychology may play

831
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:46,239
its most important part. Techniques for overcoming resistance develop mainly

832
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,360
in the field of individual psychotherapy, can be improved and

833
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,760
adapted for use with groups and even for use on

834
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,480
a mass scale. But let it be admitted that such

835
00:58:56,519 --> 00:59:00,559
techniques could hardly be effective with the extreme ethno sense interests.

836
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,719
But it may be remembered that the majority of the

837
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:08,840
population are not extreme. But in our terminology middle it

838
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,079
is the fact that the potential fascist, the potentially fascist

839
00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:17,239
pattern is to so large an extent imposed upon people

840
00:59:17,239 --> 00:59:20,280
that carries with it some hope for the future. People

841
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,639
are continuously molded from above because they must be molded

842
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,599
if the overall economic pattern is to be maintained, and

843
00:59:27,639 --> 00:59:30,400
the amount of energy that goes into this process bears

844
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,760
a direct relation to the amount of potential residing within

845
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,239
the people for moving in a different direction. It would

846
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,880
be foolish to underestimate the fascist potential with which this

847
00:59:41,039 --> 00:59:44,280
volume has been mainly concerned, But it would be equally

848
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,760
unwise to overlook the fact that the majority of our

849
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,559
subjects do not exhibit the extreme ethnocentric pattern, and the

850
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:53,199
fact that there are various ways in which it may

851
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,000
be avoided altogether. Although there is reason to believe that

852
00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:00,480
the prejudiced are the better rewarded in our societ as

853
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,679
far as external values are concerned, it is when they

854
01:00:03,719 --> 01:00:06,760
take shortcuts to their rewards that they land in prison.

855
01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:10,079
We need not suppose that the tolerant have to wait

856
01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:13,719
and receive their rewards in heaven, as it were. Actually,

857
01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:15,960
there is good reason to believe that the tolerant receive

858
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:19,519
more gratification of basic needs. They are likely to pay

859
01:00:19,519 --> 01:00:23,440
for this satisfaction and conscious guilt feelings, since they frequently

860
01:00:23,519 --> 01:00:27,079
have to go against prevailing social standards. But the evidence

861
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:31,920
is that they are basically happier than the prejudice. Thus,

862
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,960
we need not suppose that appeal to emotion belongs to

863
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:40,000
those who strive in the direction of fascism, while democratic

864
01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:45,280
propaganda must limit itself to reason and restraint. If fear

865
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:50,159
and destructiveness are the major emotional sources of fascism, aeros

866
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:54,239
belongs mainly to democracy.

867
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,719
Speaker 2: Wow. Well, first of all, they're lying their heads off.

868
01:00:59,719 --> 01:01:02,559
Back at the beginning, they were talking about, you know,

869
01:01:02,639 --> 01:01:05,599
we just want a seat at the table, you know,

870
01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:07,639
we just want to have a psychologist there, you know,

871
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:11,559
clear minded psychologist at the table. So pete, how many

872
01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:18,639
clear minded like Christian critics were at the table during

873
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:23,199
the development of the authoritarian personality or or just say

874
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,079
like at mk Ultra or at the Macy conference. I mean,

875
01:01:27,159 --> 01:01:31,079
the fact is is that that's the only people at

876
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:34,079
the table, right, I mean the people that they are,

877
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:37,280
you know, relating to the people that they're defending, the

878
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,440
people that are funding them. And so the whole, the

879
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:46,199
whole point about what they're proposing is that the people

880
01:01:46,719 --> 01:01:52,440
have to be unaware of the psychological technique that is

881
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,559
being applied against them. The stuff doesn't work if people

882
01:01:55,679 --> 01:01:58,960
know that you're trying to, you know, bamboozle their minds.

883
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:03,280
You see. So it is just it is a complete contradiction.

884
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,480
And in fact, I would call it just a lie

885
01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:08,440
that all we want is like a place at the

886
01:02:08,519 --> 01:02:12,840
table in the public discussion of these issues. You can't.

887
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:18,760
It delect directly contradicts the the power of propaganda. So

888
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,519
so that isn't that is not, you know, something that

889
01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:27,199
they're interested in. They're they're just trying to deflect away

890
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,760
from from the idea that you know, you guys are

891
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:38,239
doing all this in secret. And so you know, the

892
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:43,320
the last sentence is important because you can see that really,

893
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:49,480
you know, there is the equivocation between fascism and arrows, right,

894
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:55,880
I mean, fascism is bad, but arrows is good. And

895
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,239
so it's not it isn't so much that propaganda is bad.

896
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,840
It's just who is at the wheel steering the thing

897
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:06,920
right now? Think about oh god, I mean, I mean,

898
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:11,800
you know, I mean the different elements of like like

899
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,599
the like, the the counterculture, which would be one of

900
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:22,760
the products of this process. You know, you know, where

901
01:03:23,639 --> 01:03:28,960
is the negative effects of of the counterculture being you know,

902
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:33,880
considered in this you know, by jextapposing it as they

903
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,760
have you know, fascism, arrows, gee, I mean, which side

904
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,000
of the street are you gonna be on? Well? Have

905
01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:41,719
for heaven's sakes, you know, Arrow's democracy, it's all this

906
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:46,840
just it's you know, it's the it's the world that

907
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,920
Herbert Marcuse fantasized about. But the problem is, of course,

908
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,639
we know exactly where it takes us, right, it takes

909
01:03:54,719 --> 01:03:59,559
us into a deracinated which is no ethnic power to

910
01:03:59,639 --> 01:04:05,480
resist oligarchic manipulation more or less, and into a world

911
01:04:05,519 --> 01:04:09,639
with the family is is is no longer functioning. I mean,

912
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:15,599
there was plenty of you know, arrows when the Great

913
01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:19,320
Society programs are being you know, pointed out right as

914
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,000
something that we could move toward. And then as you,

915
01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:29,239
as you moved away from the family, according to this idea,

916
01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:33,400
you would it would be beneficial all of these positive things,

917
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,719
that people would be happier, you would have you know,

918
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:41,239
more more democratic. Well, what happened as the family disintegrated

919
01:04:41,239 --> 01:04:47,559
inside the black culture in America, every single negative demographic

920
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:55,719
marker went dramatically negative. I'm talking about violence, education, wealth,

921
01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:01,360
creation out of wedlock, births, you name it. And these

922
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,679
these statistics had been on the uptick, on the uptick,

923
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:10,239
using the kinds of restraint that the authoritary personality is

924
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:15,840
railing against, developing and using the kinds of restraints. The

925
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,079
black communities in America had been on the uptick since

926
01:05:19,079 --> 01:05:21,519
the end of the Civil War. They were in a

927
01:05:21,719 --> 01:05:26,000
positive direction in every single way you could characterize them. Impete.

928
01:05:26,199 --> 01:05:30,480
Because I'm so old, I can give you firsthand primary

929
01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:34,320
documentation of this. I was in south central LA and

930
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,360
Watts in the early sixties. My dad used to take

931
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,280
me there for lunch because as he had a business

932
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,119
there in Hawthorne, and so we would go over there

933
01:05:42,119 --> 01:05:46,559
because he liked the restaurants. That culture was on the uptick.

934
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,360
Even though I was like eleven years old, I could

935
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:54,280
see that this was a culture on the uptick. You know.

936
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,760
In fact, I would just to my eleven year old mind,

937
01:05:58,159 --> 01:06:01,639
if you'd just left them alone, they would be one

938
01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:05,079
hundred percent into the middle class within two generations. That's

939
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:12,159
really how dramatic the move into the you know, polysexualism

940
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,559
that occurred. You know, when they bought about their great

941
01:06:14,599 --> 01:06:18,559
society and now you can just see it. So it

942
01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:21,760
destroyed them. It destroyed the black culture. Now you have

943
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:26,440
the expression the baby daddy, right, there's no such thing

944
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,519
as father. I mean, that would imply family. You just

945
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:31,679
have a baby day. We just it implies at least

946
01:06:31,679 --> 01:06:36,440
the mother knew the identity of the person who impregnated

947
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:40,599
her right baby daddy. So this is how far it's come,

948
01:06:40,679 --> 01:06:43,960
and this is what it was intended to do, because

949
01:06:44,039 --> 01:06:52,960
now you have broken ethnicities with individuals who have no

950
01:06:54,119 --> 01:06:56,360
you know who, I don't really have any kind of

951
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,559
political power. The more they can isolate, the more they

952
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:03,440
can the less each unit had less power e Chuni has.

953
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:08,840
So you know, it isn't just that it's evil, it's undemocratic,

954
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,559
it's mind control, it's secret society. All of those things

955
01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:17,559
are obvious in the thirteen personality, but also it's genocidal.

956
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:21,320
I mean you can see where it's taken our culture.

957
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,920
And the third tim personality is just one of the

958
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,039
you know, you could you could, you could use a

959
01:07:28,119 --> 01:07:32,760
dozen different kind of elements to plug into this overall process.

960
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,679
You don't need to use this one. You know, you

961
01:07:34,719 --> 01:07:38,639
can use the Macy conference or It's Club of Rome.

962
01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:40,840
I mean, there's a million things you could use. But

963
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,239
the fact is we know now where they take us.

964
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,800
It's genocide. It's just, you know, we just get shattered.

965
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,480
The ethnicity gets shattered, the family get shattered, the individual

966
01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:53,800
you know, the males are pornographic, and the women are

967
01:07:54,119 --> 01:07:56,400
told if they either have no children, get into the

968
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,280
workplace or if you have a kid, it's your your

969
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,719
single mom, get on the government check. This is our world.

970
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:07,360
So we we can, you know, by clarification, by understanding,

971
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,519
you know, the process that we've been subjected to, and

972
01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:13,480
by looking at the sofas we're inside, the authoritory and personality,

973
01:08:13,519 --> 01:08:16,800
the pseudoscience, how it's setting up intimidation, you know, how

974
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:24,640
how it is excluding Jews from any kind of negative characterization,

975
01:08:25,159 --> 01:08:28,399
because to do so is neurotic. It's right in their methodology.

976
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:33,039
You know, maybe we can begin a process, you know,

977
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:37,039
to have a dialogue and talk about this a little bit,

978
01:08:37,159 --> 01:08:40,319
get some facts and evidence on the table, and have

979
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:45,880
tables set up, not with just one psychologist from you know,

980
01:08:46,039 --> 01:08:50,680
the Frankfurt School at the table, with every other individual's

981
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:54,520
being there, but actually have tables set up where there

982
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,600
are you know, individuals representing what remains of Christian and

983
01:08:58,600 --> 01:08:59,479
European culture.

984
01:09:00,119 --> 01:09:04,279
Speaker 1: I changed my mind. Let's finish on this, even after

985
01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:07,239
everything we've talked about today, even after everything we've laid

986
01:09:07,239 --> 01:09:12,239
out in this document, even after we examine our eyes

987
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,680
and we talked about how they we examined what we

988
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:20,479
see and not examine our eyes what we've experienced. And

989
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,640
even after they talk about how they have to go

990
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:27,199
after people who are conspiracy theorists, people will say, this

991
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:30,680
is just another document. It was something that Think Tank

992
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,720
put out in nineteen fifty. Other than the fact that

993
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:41,000
pretty much everything that they suggested in here came to fruition,

994
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:44,640
people will say, well, believing that this had any bearing

995
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:49,640
on what we're experiencing now is a complete conspiracy theory, Joe.

996
01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 2: It is, And in fact, that is another expression conspiracy

997
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,079
theory that is simply designed to shut down thought. You know,

998
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,199
I think you know, it's kind of hard to read.

999
01:10:01,239 --> 01:10:04,119
I can't imagine anyone actually reading the Authoritary Personnelity because

1000
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:07,239
it's it's enormous, and it's just incredibly boring, and it's

1001
01:10:07,279 --> 01:10:10,079
just sophist right if if if you're negative toward it

1002
01:10:11,119 --> 01:10:12,880
and you kind of sense what it is, then you

1003
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,119
have no energy to go through it. I think no

1004
01:10:15,239 --> 01:10:17,399
sane person can actually read the thing. But I would

1005
01:10:17,399 --> 01:10:22,960
just recommend from Cybernetics to Lyttonton Jeffrey Steinberg's article is

1006
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,680
Then it came out an Executive Intelligence Review in two

1007
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:33,239
thousand and he outlines the process that that the the

1008
01:10:33,279 --> 01:10:37,520
authoritarian personnelity is within. He puts it in context. You know,

1009
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,000
I tried to do it today, you know, going back

1010
01:10:40,079 --> 01:10:44,359
to Gregor Luchas and Hungarian Soviet and then going forward

1011
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:47,760
into uh, you know, great society, m k ulture and

1012
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:51,479
the counterculture. But Steinberg has you know, on think about

1013
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,479
the Laruche guys, is they are impeccable in terms of

1014
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:58,520
their citation. So you know, in a you know, when

1015
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,159
we're just talking like this, it's are to be absolutely

1016
01:11:01,279 --> 01:11:03,319
precise and to give you know, all details that where

1017
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,800
public can get the information. But if you want to

1018
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:10,439
see the process that the authoritary and personality is part of,

1019
01:11:11,039 --> 01:11:13,359
I think Steinberg's article is a great place to start.

1020
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:17,279
And then I would just say don't miss any of

1021
01:11:17,319 --> 01:11:20,880
your podcasts because you do a really good job of

1022
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,520
you know, like you were deconstructing Mark Cusa, you know,

1023
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:30,119
the idea of repressive tolerance in one of the shows

1024
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:32,159
you did recently, and I thought that was really excellent.

1025
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,119
You know, so independent media is alive and well and

1026
01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:38,279
we're getting the information out and we kind of know

1027
01:11:38,359 --> 01:11:41,399
the problem finally, and so you know, hopefully we can

1028
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:44,079
we can start having some effect in social policy soon.

1029
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that, Joe. The article you were talking about,

1030
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:55,039
it's from cybernetics to Littleton Techniques of mind control.

1031
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:56,239
Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct.

1032
01:11:56,319 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll link that in the show notes and sending

1033
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:05,119
that myself right now. I will also link your article

1034
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:11,079
on the history of where the National Socialists came from.

1035
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,600
And is there anything else that you want to plug

1036
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:15,680
before we end this?

1037
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 2: No, I just want to plug your show again. It's

1038
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,319
really you have a really terrific show. I mean, it's

1039
01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:24,279
one of the ones that I whenever there's a new podcast,

1040
01:12:24,319 --> 01:12:26,039
I always make time to listen to it. I hope

1041
01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:27,600
everyone does well.

1042
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Shoe, and thank you very much, and

1043
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:32,119
we'll do this again real soon.

1044
01:12:32,279 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 2: Thanks all right, thank you sir,