Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for
Speaker 1: ignition with the aw fan Hub podcast team. This is
Speaker 1: Kelson and I want to start off by announcing an
Speaker 1: interview that we're doing with the All Elait Wrestling staff
Speaker 1: psychiatrist doctor David Reese, MD. That'll be taking place right
Speaker 1: here on our discord at three pm Eastern time on Thursday,
Speaker 1: December two. Of inviting everybody to come in and just
Speaker 1: listening as we talk to doctor Reese live. We will
Speaker 1: be recording it so that if you can't comme at
Speaker 1: three pm Eastern on Thursday, hey, you'll still be able
Speaker 1: to enjoy the conversation. I'm not doing the interview. Shane
Speaker 1: is doing the interview. So Shane, let us know what
Speaker 1: can we expect from your interview with doctor Reese.
Speaker 2: Well, first off, Kelson, I'll be unveiling to the world
Speaker 2: the the the art of time travel because uh, December
Speaker 2: second was yesterday, but I said.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it happens.
Speaker 2: But we'll be pulling some uh some top topics of
Speaker 2: conversation from the community, and obviously we're going to keep
Speaker 2: it light and keep it fresh. I kind of want
Speaker 2: to dig into like the inner workings of you know,
Speaker 2: the mochanisms of Mental Health CTE and the aw locker room.
Speaker 2: So it's great to be given the privilege as a
Speaker 2: member of this community to lead that project and you know,
Speaker 2: be able to talk to this guy, and I assure
Speaker 2: you it'll be a good listen.
Speaker 1: I have. I can't wait. Obviously, I can't wait. It's
Speaker 1: already happened according to my calendar. Ums. Hey, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, that's not what I look like. Well some
Speaker 1: of you don't know what I look like. Anyway, let's
Speaker 1: get started with the show. We've got the second annual
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Well it's the first annual twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: We had the twenty twenty three ones last year. Boy,
Speaker 1: I'm having an aneurysm right as we speak. I don't think.
Speaker 3: You've been hitting the little hard there.
Speaker 1: All right, what is in this water that I'm drinking? Hintint. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we're doing the second annual aw Fan Hubb Awards. We
Speaker 1: did it last year and it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: What we're doing right now is we are coming up
Speaker 1: with nominations. We have seven categories and everybody is invited
Speaker 1: to go on our discord or on our Subreddit or
Speaker 1: on Blue Sky, and I will put the links to
Speaker 1: each in the description of this podcast, and you can
Speaker 1: make up to three nominations in each of the categories. Well,
Speaker 1: as it turns out, not any need that I remember here,
Speaker 1: and if you have, I apologize. I haven't seen any
Speaker 1: nominations from anybody here. So what we're gonna do is,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you pick a category, any of the
Speaker 1: seven categories. You could pick just one and talk about
Speaker 1: it and make your argument to try to sway the
Speaker 1: community members to vote your way. So let's go. Who
Speaker 1: wants to go first? Pick a category and then make
Speaker 1: your argument for a particular wrestler in that category.
Speaker 2: You want me to go for the low hanging Fruit,
Speaker 2: We'll go Heal the Year. We'll go for Heal the Year.
Speaker 2: It's obvious who the Heel of the Year is. For
Speaker 2: the men, I'd probably go with them JF. For the women,
Speaker 2: I'd go with Mariah May. No one's really painted a
Speaker 2: more convincing portrait as who is doing all the bs
Speaker 2: and aw th those two. So I can't imagine that
Speaker 2: anyone here would or would disagree with that statement.
Speaker 3: I mean, do you.
Speaker 1: Think that anybody's even close, Shane.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Mariah May is convincing. Although I know
Speaker 2: this is a hot topic, definitely convincing argument for the females.
Speaker 2: MJF has it. No one has ripped that diamond diamond
Speaker 2: U dynamite ring off of him yet, so I think
Speaker 2: I tell he is completely humbled. He's going to continue
Speaker 2: to be a thorn in everybody's side. No one's really
Speaker 2: risen up to the occasion to dethron him from that place.
Speaker 1: So about that, because weventually got the diamond diamond ring?
Speaker 1: Uh so what is it? Diamond think? Do you think?
Speaker 1: Does anybody think that MJF is gonna lose the dynamite
Speaker 1: diamond ring tomorrow night? It's kind of like synonymous with
Speaker 1: MJF at this point, don't you think.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, I think it's time for five years
Speaker 2: in a row. I think he's losing it on your six.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to hyper drive his bullshit and
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna see a lot of great exposition
Speaker 2: for a potential you know, mega heel turned to Adam Cole.
Speaker 2: I would put it on coal, but I don't think
Speaker 2: that's going to be the case either. I'd like to
Speaker 2: see someone out of left field, grab it, give it,
Speaker 2: put it on j White. If you're not gonna put
Speaker 2: the World Championship on him, give it to him.
Speaker 1: Sir Petico or bust Shane.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Luther, Luther's coming back. Luther announced again
Speaker 2: we don't but.
Speaker 1: He had transplanted because Tony Storm had no clue and
Speaker 1: when she announced it he had a transplant. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's k paper if he actually had one.
Speaker 3: As to your I agree with you as MJF being
Speaker 3: the heel of the year, but I would put Adam
Speaker 3: Page getting up there because he hasn't exactly been mister
Speaker 3: nice guy this year, and uh, he's probably for me,
Speaker 3: he's probably the second best when it comes to a
Speaker 3: heel right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I still think he has that goodness in
Speaker 2: him somewhere. I think that's the whole thing. He's doing
Speaker 2: this to per j a e w of the the
Speaker 2: evil and anyone that's getting in the way of it
Speaker 2: is going to get crushed with his fist of angry emo.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Funny you mentioned that, shame because I think that that
Speaker 5: that heartness, that heart you mentioned, is going to play
Speaker 5: a big part in these storylines. Going forward. So but
Speaker 5: that's a tangent for now.
Speaker 1: Does anybody else think that, you know, for lack of
Speaker 1: better words, drunk onco Jesse is the heuel of the year.
Speaker 2: Oh a lot of morset wept, no about that, No, dude,
Speaker 2: he's not drunk Uncle Jesse. Dude, we haven't seen him
Speaker 2: consume alcohol on screen since last sense he was chugging
Speaker 2: beers in front of ambulances last year. No, dude, I.
Speaker 1: He's built up quite a reserve.
Speaker 2: Yes, of alcohol that in his empty house.
Speaker 1: So it is spleed or it his liver. I mean
Speaker 1: he's that thing saturated by now, don't.
Speaker 3: You think most likely?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like pumping up a Nike shoe. Nope, speaking
Speaker 2: about aw and heals, but it's like pumping up a
Speaker 2: Nike shoe, you know, punch him in the liver. He's
Speaker 2: gonna be drunk for three days.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm gonna break in and I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: my most improved wrestler of the year, And honestly, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of them, but I don't think anybody is
Speaker 1: more improved than Harley Cameron. I mean, just because she's
Speaker 1: losing doesn't mean that she hasn't improved at her character
Speaker 1: work is something to really look forward to.
Speaker 6: I'm I'm giving it to Jack Perry. He's came a
Speaker 6: long way from Jungle Boy and he had to look.
Speaker 6: I love the skateegoat band bust whatever it is, and
Speaker 6: he's came a long way. New Japan really helped him.
Speaker 3: See, I'm going with Danny k on that, because she
Speaker 3: has made super strides this year. She went from being
Speaker 3: a barely mid carter to getting some shots. Her trip
Speaker 3: to stardom really really helped her.
Speaker 1: And they just did. They just announce a match for
Speaker 1: Anna Jay tomorrow night on Dynamite against Emmy Soccer, which
Speaker 1: is always I love seeing Emmy.
Speaker 2: Emmy Soccer is back.
Speaker 1: She is second match.
Speaker 3: You have that. You have that list of as energy
Speaker 3: versus Penelope forod on your tomorrow on your Dynamite cord.
Speaker 4: I posted that from a w so Penelop before.
Speaker 1: But Emmy Soccer is back tomorrow night. I just can't
Speaker 1: remember who she's wrestling me. There you go, well, even better,
Speaker 1: we want Mina. We're getting Mina.
Speaker 3: Everybody wants.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants Mina.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta feel bad for Penelope that they have
Speaker 3: Penelope tomorrow night, because she goes from a loss to
Speaker 3: Britt Baker to facing off another one that they're pushing
Speaker 3: kind of hard with Anna Jay.
Speaker 5: You know, I think we're gonna see some more out
Speaker 5: of that. I think she's losing for a reason, and
Speaker 5: I think it has something to do with somebody who's
Speaker 5: coming back soon.
Speaker 2: You think's coming back soon now that.
Speaker 1: Honor, I think there may be two people coming back.
Speaker 1: Yeah who So listen because I when I first saw
Speaker 1: this match, now that I remember that it is Anna
Speaker 1: Jay and Penelope Ford and not Amy Sacra. When I
Speaker 1: first saw this match, again, my aneurysm is kicking in there.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: When I first saw this match, the first thing that
Speaker 1: went through in my mind was, of course Ta Mellow
Speaker 1: coming back, which we haven't seen yet, which is like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're waiting for. But who was
Speaker 1: Penelope Ford's most prominent partner, the money monny, Yeah, the Bunny.
Speaker 1: Would it be something if the Bunny came back tomorrow night?
Speaker 1: She ain't and we set up something like that. I
Speaker 1: don't think she is, but it's.
Speaker 5: Not coming back.
Speaker 2: He left, she didn't renew her contract. She's been doing
Speaker 2: any work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 5: I'll go out on a limb. I think I think
Speaker 5: we're going to see and I'll before siding with Julia
Speaker 5: Hart And I think once sky Blue comes back, it's
Speaker 5: going to be the House of Hearts. They're gonna be
Speaker 5: a badass ladies heel faction, probably the first, the first one,
Speaker 5: first one since the Radicals. I think that was the
Speaker 5: last heel faction for the women.
Speaker 3: You know what, Well Blue is not coming back till
Speaker 3: next summer. Yeah, there's there's just no way she'll be
Speaker 3: back before then.
Speaker 5: Julius, Julia is better when she has a minion and
Speaker 5: a piece available. She's got the look, She's good enough
Speaker 5: in the ring. I think that rub dor do her well,
Speaker 5: and I think that's why she's losing. Julie's gonna help
Speaker 5: her find her way.
Speaker 1: Barry. I had come up with a little bit of
Speaker 1: a of a scenario where Julia and Jamie Hayter actually
Speaker 1: team up and that this has all been a ploy
Speaker 1: on both of their parts. If you watched the last
Speaker 1: match that Jamie Hayter Matt had, which was against and
Speaker 1: the aneurysm is coming in again, who would who did
Speaker 1: she wrestle against?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Can I name that go ahead, Yeah, red Dead Redemption too,
Speaker 2: don't sue rock Star.
Speaker 1: Point is is that if you watch that match between
Speaker 1: Hater and Amanada, Hater was very heelish in that match.
Speaker 1: She was very violent. I wouldn't say heelish, but she
Speaker 1: was more violent than she had been. That was a
Speaker 1: brutal match. That was a really hard hit Aramananda likes
Speaker 1: to work stiff.
Speaker 5: When she works stiff, she's good. She can't that's she
Speaker 5: doesn't do as good in the ring and Jamie works.
Speaker 3: I wasn't there what Jamie was all about when she
Speaker 3: was before she got hurt with she I mean, it's
Speaker 3: not like she's changing who she is. She just seems
Speaker 3: to be becoming what she was before she got hurt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because she's not.
Speaker 3: She's not looked great in the ring yet and they
Speaker 3: really haven't put her in very many matches since she's
Speaker 3: come back. And you know.
Speaker 5: Something that Yeah, I think you up a good point
Speaker 5: there too. And this was something I want to take
Speaker 5: a step back because we were talking about ant and
Speaker 5: j and A. Jay has carried a confidence with her,
Speaker 5: but there's a strain that she's carrying and I think
Speaker 5: that's because she's about ten pounds heavier. You can see
Speaker 5: the muscle, you can see just the strength in her
Speaker 5: movement she didn't have before. And to your point, sudden
Speaker 5: part of Jamie's allure was like she had that stat
Speaker 5: land or thickness, like you bought that she could beat
Speaker 5: the shit out of somebody, beat the crap out of somebody. Sorry,
Speaker 5: But since she's come back, she's a lot leaner, and
Speaker 5: there's something missing from that. And I don't see the
Speaker 5: strength and the hard hitting she had before. It's like
Speaker 5: there's just a tick down on the dial and it's
Speaker 5: not quite working right. And I don't know if that's
Speaker 5: just me, but I wanted to put that out there
Speaker 5: because athletes get used to their weight, they get used
Speaker 5: to how they move with that weight and that physicality,
Speaker 5: and when you go up or down on that scale,
Speaker 5: it can't impact them for a while until they kind
Speaker 5: of find that new groove. And I just want to
Speaker 5: toss that out there.
Speaker 1: Well, we have we have talked about the leanness as
Speaker 1: you put it, of Jamie Hayter before. Add to that point. Also,
Speaker 1: Jamie Hayter is scheduled to appear on Dynamite and a
Speaker 1: you'll hear from Jamie Hayter. I would be interested to
Speaker 1: see if her demeanor or even her outfit changes a
Speaker 1: little bit after last week. I just thought last week
Speaker 1: was a little bit better as far as bringing back
Speaker 1: the old hater. Also, I know you had something to
Speaker 1: say something, but I did want to mention that when
Speaker 1: Very brought up working Stiff, I immediately thought of you.
Speaker 3: Thanks. No, I was going to say, is you know,
Speaker 3: we've talked about this in the past. When somebody comes back,
Speaker 3: especially recently, it seems like they're bringing them back when
Speaker 3: they're they're they're they're able to go, but not necessarily ready.
Speaker 3: Because of all the returns that we've had in ae W,
Speaker 3: I think the only one that I can think of
Speaker 3: that came back where they left off was when stat
Speaker 3: Lerner came back and beat Jay Cargill and didn't really
Speaker 3: show any missing and she came back from a knee
Speaker 3: injury that could have been really bad. But like Jamie,
Speaker 3: she came back and she's not exactly going forward force Mercedes.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could you could say that when she
Speaker 3: first started it wasn't like she was going fool out either.
Speaker 3: So a lot of that I think is is would
Speaker 3: be something that the doctor's interview would maybe be able
Speaker 3: to help answer some of those questions. If that's actually
Speaker 3: the case or not.
Speaker 1: Well, one of the things I will say is that
Speaker 1: we mentioned this way back when it happened when Serena
Speaker 1: Deeb came back from her lengthy time off, a lot
Speaker 1: of us mentioned there's no such thing as ring ross
Speaker 1: with Serena Deeb. She came back and she looked like
Speaker 1: a house of buyer, right.
Speaker 3: I can't forgot she came back from that too bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she doesn't have any ring ross. She's one one
Speaker 2: of the best women's wrestlers, but she can't cut a
Speaker 2: promo to save her life. She's a she's a charisma.
Speaker 2: She's a charismavor attax.
Speaker 1: Like Serena, you know, like the problems she cut. I
Speaker 1: believe good. Who was in the ring with her? Was
Speaker 1: it Cody Rhodes when she talked about how w W
Speaker 1: made her put in breast in plants. She got rid
Speaker 1: of at A soon as she left squad. Honestly, that's
Speaker 1: another thing that you know, we keep talking talking about
Speaker 1: doctor David Reese. Are women do they feel pressured and
Speaker 1: you know, mentally anguished about their appearance compared to some
Speaker 1: of the other wrestlers who have had work done. I
Speaker 1: mean that to me is an interesting, interesting, uh topic.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he would want to talk about that,
Speaker 1: but it could be something like because there's also we
Speaker 1: also have guys like Adam Cole. People are constantly saying
Speaker 1: he's too skinny or not as much of a muscle
Speaker 1: mass or whatever.
Speaker 3: Well, let's move go ahead.
Speaker 2: You definitely couldn't you know, tell that by how often
Speaker 2: he's injured accidentally?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Does anybody else have a nomination that they
Speaker 1: want to share for one of the seven?
Speaker 3: I did, go ahead?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wanted to nominate Danny Garcia for most Improved
Speaker 5: of the Year. I thought the Continental Classic set him
Speaker 5: up last year really really nicely for a nice baby
Speaker 5: face push, and it was slow, and you could see
Speaker 5: that creative wasn't entirely certain where they wanted to go
Speaker 5: with him from a storyline or a longer term pewed,
Speaker 5: But they didn't give up on him like they've done
Speaker 5: with a lot of talent in the past, and so
Speaker 5: he'd get in a couple of short term programs and
Speaker 5: the fans just kept getting behind him and get behind
Speaker 5: him and getting behind him, and I think the last
Speaker 5: three months, especially you know, starting over the summer with
Speaker 5: the stuff that I'm JF and all out I'm sorry
Speaker 5: all in really really cemented him as a top, you know,
Speaker 5: upcoming star in that mid card upper mid card play.
Speaker 5: Everybody's ready for him to take that leap. He got
Speaker 5: his first belt. We'll see how he does through the
Speaker 5: rest of this year.
Speaker 4: But but really, really.
Speaker 5: Just I thought his his rise and improvement both on
Speaker 5: the mic and in the ring has been great. A
Speaker 5: little more to go on the mic, but but he's
Speaker 5: starting to look the part of what they need him
Speaker 5: to be if they're going to invest in him for
Speaker 5: a few years going forward.
Speaker 1: Well, Barry, I'm going and I'm glad that go ahead, man,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 7: I'm glad he won that. Uh not one, but he
Speaker 7: he did a draw with o'card.
Speaker 6: That's going to jump him farther than I think people recognize.
Speaker 6: Going toe to toe with Ocado, one of the best
Speaker 6: in the business is really going to help him. So
Speaker 6: I'm looking forward to big things with him in that
Speaker 6: T and T title and seeing who he fused with.
Speaker 6: He's a he's a go getter and he's going to
Speaker 6: be far, but he yet he's probably it's still charisma,
Speaker 6: but he'll get there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Barry, I wanted to ask you ques when
Speaker 1: it comes to down and his you know, a lack
Speaker 1: of push as I guess is what you were alluding to.
Speaker 1: After the C two last year, do you think that
Speaker 1: they had how much of the contract situation?
Speaker 4: Do you think I can do with that?
Speaker 5: From what I understand, if I'm remembering right, that did
Speaker 5: impact his match with MJF on who went over on that.
Speaker 5: Initially they were hesitant to put him over MJF if
Speaker 5: they weren't certain he was coming back.
Speaker 4: But earlier in the year is really what I.
Speaker 5: Was talking about. I thought what they did with him
Speaker 5: leading into all In with that short term feud with
Speaker 5: with with MGF and stuff, and since then has been
Speaker 5: really really good. But it's the earlier part of the year,
Speaker 5: coming out of the C two, you could tell they
Speaker 5: just they wanted to get behind him, but they couldn't
Speaker 5: figure out really where to slot him in. And so
Speaker 5: if there was ever a group of baby faces, he'd
Speaker 5: be there and they try to get some things and
Speaker 5: things going. But I felt like since at about all In,
Speaker 5: they really kind of started to figure out where he
Speaker 5: needs to be and with just a little more time
Speaker 5: I'm on the mic a little more honing of his
Speaker 5: character and what a story is going to be. I
Speaker 5: think this year is going to be really really good
Speaker 5: for him next year in twenty twenty five, and I'm
Speaker 5: excited to see him grows performer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, Garcia to me, Garcia can be one
Speaker 1: of the pillars, I guess is the best way of
Speaker 1: putting it, you know, accepted pillar, I guess in aw
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask a specific question because this has
Speaker 1: been really interesting based on the nominations that we've already
Speaker 1: gotten in the community, and there's been hundreds Faction of
Speaker 1: the Year, A lot of people are picking a combination
Speaker 1: of the BCC and the Death Writers this Faction of
Speaker 1: the Year. I mean, I understand it, but at the
Speaker 1: same time, I don't really get it, because I think
Speaker 1: that there are other actions that are more suited to
Speaker 1: that recognition. Does anybody else have a different faction that
Speaker 1: you think supersede the BCC death Writers calls?
Speaker 2: Would you guys want to turn you want to talk
Speaker 2: about impact? Though I thought I figured Sulton would have
Speaker 2: something to say about this. So I was going to wait, Sulton,
Speaker 2: if you got it go ahead, Well, I just.
Speaker 3: I agree with you. If you're going for if you're
Speaker 3: going to base it on impact that they're having to
Speaker 3: ae W, it's got to be BCC Death Writers because
Speaker 3: they're the only faction that's done something. For the last
Speaker 3: five months. There's not really been a faction that's actually
Speaker 3: done anything to warrant that. I mean, BC, I love
Speaker 3: House of Black, but they really haven't done much of
Speaker 3: as a faction. The only one I can think of
Speaker 3: that that might have been in that grouping for doing
Speaker 3: something for that size, Don Callous, which is again something
Speaker 3: that's got way too many ways they're going at one
Speaker 3: time instead of concentrating and doing something specific, they're just
Speaker 3: all over the place, would have been, uh, Christian Cage
Speaker 3: and his group, but again there's not a whole lot
Speaker 3: to them.
Speaker 2: You could certainly put you could certainly put the elite
Speaker 2: in that conversation as well, in terms of impact and
Speaker 2: character development, story development and story and if you really
Speaker 2: want to consider the full spectrum of impact, you know,
Speaker 2: the top light has been if a pretty decent set
Speaker 2: of guys performing as an enhancement to ealent not to
Speaker 2: mention the character development the past two months has been
Speaker 2: steadily inclining.
Speaker 3: But see I pushed that. I'd put that push because
Speaker 3: of what the Death Riders has been doing, because otherwise
Speaker 3: doing anything.
Speaker 1: Nobody has mentioned one faction that has been Wait.
Speaker 5: Wait, I got a dark Horse, and if it's who
Speaker 5: you're gonna say, Helston, these are my guys and that's
Speaker 5: bull of of Gold?
Speaker 4: Is that who you're going with?
Speaker 1: Yeah, these guys, these are This is a group that
Speaker 1: I personally don't really think works very well. And maybe
Speaker 1: that's why nobody has mentioned them. But do you want
Speaker 1: me to tell you who? I think the conglomeration nobody
Speaker 1: is mentioned. Ye, word of the day is overrated.
Speaker 5: This conglomeration is like the B Team All Stars. That's
Speaker 5: kind of how I they're not bad guys, but you're
Speaker 5: not going to run a main event program with them.
Speaker 2: You know, it's space Jam at the first half of
Speaker 2: the first movie without Michael Jordan's.
Speaker 1: I mean another another dark order. Another faction that nobody
Speaker 1: is mentioned. And I know these are I particularly I
Speaker 1: know this is your favorite faction of all time? Is
Speaker 1: the Learning Tree? Nope? Text is that you can't you
Speaker 1: can't get away.
Speaker 6: I just think Don Kallas family needs to be mentioned,
Speaker 6: and how much nuclear heat they had, uh, their investment
Speaker 6: with Kyle Fletcher, who who I think needs a nod
Speaker 6: at least a little bit of honorable mentioned for most
Speaker 6: improved because his look went from bleached, bleached out to
Speaker 6: honed and skilled and looking uh like a badass. So
Speaker 6: I think he deserves something and him coming in and
Speaker 6: that little feud with will Osprey is still going on
Speaker 6: and they're battling. They had some rough patches with Hobbs
Speaker 6: missing and everybody else missing, and Samuy was in there
Speaker 6: for a while. But but that group is still formidable,
Speaker 6: and they they few with everybody. It's not long group
Speaker 6: at a time, they few with everybody. Nobody likes a
Speaker 6: Don callous family right.
Speaker 1: Well to that point is, uh, how do does anybody
Speaker 1: have any opinions? And maybe Kyle Fletcher is the most.
Speaker 5: Improved of the year, a case for it, absolutely think that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the way he was booked and he was
Speaker 1: overshadowed by will Osprey and let's be honest here, Ossie
Speaker 1: Open just never got over what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in America, it's like the dude, It's like the
Speaker 2: dude starts with dating sky Blue and he's immediately the
Speaker 2: top guy in.
Speaker 3: A w UP with that for the most for the
Speaker 3: most part of the time they've been here, his partner
Speaker 3: has been hurt. So, you know, the Open didn't really
Speaker 3: get a chance to.
Speaker 1: Be a tough tag team at about six months and
Speaker 1: they just, I mean.
Speaker 3: Well, we can't really say.
Speaker 1: What you mean.
Speaker 3: The team is the best.
Speaker 1: They're phenomenal team, don't get me wrong, but the reception
Speaker 1: by a w fans was not what I was expecting.
Speaker 5: I remember watching those matches thinking, man, also opens a
Speaker 5: great tag team, but this Kyle Fletcher guy is gonna
Speaker 5: be a gonna be a rock star. Like every time
Speaker 5: they were out there, I just kept thinking, man, this kid.
Speaker 5: When they split these guys up, eventually, this kid's gonna
Speaker 5: be huge. And then Mark Davis got hurt, and I
Speaker 5: remember thinking the first time I saw Fletcher wrestle on
Speaker 5: his own, and I can't remember who it was, but
Speaker 5: I said, he's never gonna wrestle with Mark Davis again.
Speaker 5: It just I just need to see one match by himself,
Speaker 5: and I knew, I knew that's it. This kid's gonna
Speaker 5: be huge.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm gonna say something and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: probably get hate for it, but Kyle Fletcher definitely has
Speaker 1: the look for look to be successful. Mark Davis looks
Speaker 1: like Kyle Fletcher's Kyle Fletcher's great uncle or something.
Speaker 2: You know, Mark Davis like ftr's third member.
Speaker 3: Yes, you.
Speaker 1: Will get me wrong, but when it comes to wrestling,
Speaker 1: Mark Davis is phenomenal. When it comes to marketability, Kyle
Speaker 1: Fletcher more marketable than Mark Davis. Yes, based on the look.
Speaker 1: And I'm trying not to be disrespectful at all, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, Mark Davis is phenomenal, but they just
Speaker 1: don't look right together.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Davis coming out with baggy sweats and stuff like it,
Speaker 5: just it's not helping him. Man, I'm not buying him
Speaker 5: as a serious competitor out there when he comes out
Speaker 5: dressed like a bag of bond.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 1: Well, what I'm saying is you presented himself as kind
Speaker 1: of like the older mentor instead of the tag team partner.
Speaker 2: There they were tagging together and he was like six
Speaker 2: or seven years older than him. Anyways, I mean Kyle
Speaker 2: Fletcher's inn mid to early twenties kind of Fletcher's in
Speaker 2: his mid to early thirties. No, the other way around,
Speaker 2: all the way around.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm having today moment, Yeahlson moment.
Speaker 4: Wait did you say Mark Davis?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I just don't know. It's all about presentation.
Speaker 1: Will Osprey and Kyle Fletcher look like tag team Parker,
Speaker 1: They really do. Mark Davis and Kyle Fletcher just don't
Speaker 1: if if they were to get the you know, the
Speaker 1: United Empire back together, then that could work. But only
Speaker 1: if they do that, because Mark Davis is kind of
Speaker 1: on an island right now. He doesn't deserve it, but
Speaker 1: he needs somebody to work with, can't you know, Shane,
Speaker 1: you made a joke about FTR, but I see it.
Speaker 1: He's perfect for FDR.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just wonder how long it's gonna before Callous and
Speaker 3: Takesha turned on on Fletcher because there's gonna be jealous.
Speaker 3: I just Seekesha getting pissed about it.
Speaker 1: Because you remember earlier. Yeah, but remember earlier in the year,
Speaker 1: late last year that seed was sown. I mean, Fletcher
Speaker 1: was really ticking off Callous I mean as well, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean flapped around and then it just ended and
Speaker 1: now Fletcher breakers like the Golden child.
Speaker 3: For now, we need to see this painting again so
Speaker 3: we can see where he's actually at.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we need to see the painting.
Speaker 3: You get to Kesh on one side, and you have
Speaker 3: the other on the other side. You have Fletcher and
Speaker 3: you have Callous standing over him with his hands over
Speaker 3: their heads like nothing collision between.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, what do you do to set up that
Speaker 5: eventual feud? In my view, the no brainer is one
Speaker 5: of their silly like four person competitions for a number
Speaker 5: one contender, and those two face each other in the finals,
Speaker 5: and that starts that seed with ever who wins.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, what do you do to what do
Speaker 4: you do to start that?
Speaker 3: Well, you could do it a lot of different ways,
Speaker 3: but all Callis is gotta do is just turn on him.
Speaker 3: I mean he can use any excuse to turn on
Speaker 3: Fletcher and vice versas. I mean he could turn he
Speaker 3: could take in and say, okay, well to Kish's gun
Speaker 3: as far as I can take him. Fletcher bigger, He's
Speaker 3: got a bigger deal, He's got a bigger future. So
Speaker 3: let's cut out.
Speaker 5: You got you need more motive, Like I got a
Speaker 5: care man, I got I have to have somebody I'm
Speaker 5: rooting for in that conflict, So who who gets set
Speaker 5: is the sympathetic one in that conflict?
Speaker 7: Though?
Speaker 5: How do you set that up? Because Kallis is the
Speaker 5: one we're gonna hate unless they do the weirdest booking
Speaker 5: and turning babyface, which is impossible.
Speaker 3: Yeah callis babyface. Oh my god, Yeah, exactly would freeze over.
Speaker 3: I mean, but I mean, it doesn't have to be
Speaker 3: anything major to start that, because it could be something
Speaker 3: simply that down the road you have a match between
Speaker 3: uh Taqushta and shit, now I'm having Kelson issues between
Speaker 3: him and Ospray, that is it is being over sixty
Speaker 3: over fifty. You know, it's a problem. But you could
Speaker 3: have a match down the road somewhere between Ospray and Taqushta,
Speaker 3: and Callison's out Fletcher to do something and it doesn't
Speaker 3: happen and it costs to Qusha a match. You could
Speaker 3: have them to continue the feud and after Fletcher gets
Speaker 3: beat after because right now, the one if Fletcher's got
Speaker 3: the upper hand, if you get to Osprey to have
Speaker 3: a win over him the next time in the Rower match,
Speaker 3: it could be barely won by Osprey, and that pisses
Speaker 3: Callous off because he doesn't want his boy to lose.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's unbelievably a number of ways you
Speaker 3: could do that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, if I do it, I have to set that up.
Speaker 5: Whoever's going to be the babyface coming out of that.
Speaker 5: You got to make him sympathetic. So to start this,
Speaker 5: they got to get inadvertently screwed out of something. So
Speaker 5: if I see like a number one contender's four way
Speaker 5: and Takeshaa and Fletcher and the two other goobers are
Speaker 5: in it, the story is what happens between the two
Speaker 5: of them. Something happens on the outside. Callous says, Fletcher's
Speaker 5: about to get the pin. Cous like, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: you got to get this guy to take care of it,
Speaker 5: so blah blah blah, and kind of distracts him inadvertently,
Speaker 5: And while he's taking care of that business Callous told
Speaker 5: him to, Kesha slips in and gets the pin. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: somebody won. But now Fletcher's immediately sympathetic. We don't know
Speaker 5: that Callous screw him over for real? Was that coincidence?
Speaker 4: Calus like, oh man, yeah.
Speaker 5: I wasn't thinking. I just you know, but he slipped them.
Speaker 5: But hey, you know, team win for us, right, then
Speaker 5: when the big turn happens, you got your built in
Speaker 5: babyface and we got a reason to care.
Speaker 3: Now, I think anybody's going to be simpleathetic with anybody
Speaker 3: that Callous turns on because Callus has so much hate
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what happens.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Callus is turning on a lot of people and
Speaker 6: uh Omega and several others.
Speaker 5: But you need to set it up, man. I think
Speaker 5: you need to make him sympathetic before the turn. You gotta,
Speaker 5: you gotta, you gotta make us want this guy to
Speaker 5: to not have it happen.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate to make the Cross promotional comparison, but
Speaker 2: Don Challis has dominic mysterio heat every time that he's
Speaker 2: anywhere on Like, you can't you can't have him cut
Speaker 2: a promo without the sound of booze drowning him out.
Speaker 2: It's it's amazing, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it could be something as simple as the in
Speaker 3: the in the rubber match between Osbray and Fletcher, Osprey
Speaker 3: gets beat and he's like Callous is pushing to have
Speaker 3: some one of his cash to help him make sure
Speaker 3: he gets that third win, and Fletcher says, no, he
Speaker 3: does it anyway. I mean, it's something as simple as
Speaker 3: that could get people to be sympathetic for Fletcher. But
Speaker 3: it's like I said, it doesn't take a lot to
Speaker 3: make people hate anybody if you're with callous and to
Speaker 3: make the other person sympathetic.
Speaker 6: Now, I just think maybe maybe it's Fletcher who makes
Speaker 6: a better heel and Takashi can make a better face.
Speaker 6: In my opinion, Uh, I don't you know. I think
Speaker 6: it's jealousy because Fletcher wants a title, wants to be more.
Speaker 6: You know, he's beaten, you know in this se too.
Speaker 6: He has a chance to perform. If he loses it,
Speaker 6: he might lose his mind a little bit. If it
Speaker 6: may come down to the C two, may come down
Speaker 6: to the finals, may come down to Ospray and him,
Speaker 6: and he loses this one and he flips the lid
Speaker 6: as well. But Fletcher is my guy to be a
Speaker 6: heel because he just looks like a heel. And Takeashka
Speaker 6: really has that baby face to him, and I think
Speaker 6: he could be more sympathetic to for fans to go with.
Speaker 5: I think you're right, he's a baby face already. Ruby's
Speaker 5: steering for him when he's out there. They want to
Speaker 5: see him when they wanted to see him get the
Speaker 5: international title.
Speaker 4: So I think you're right.
Speaker 5: I think that's who. That's who you should go forward
Speaker 5: as a babyface if they do that.
Speaker 8: I already feel sympathy for Kyle Fletcher, to be quite
Speaker 8: honest with all of you, because I see Callous treating
Speaker 8: him very much the same way that he treated Kenny Omega.
Speaker 8: So I feel bad for Kyle.
Speaker 5: So he's manipulating him.
Speaker 8: Huh, he's manipulating him, calling his son his you know,
Speaker 8: he's family, giving him a little kiss on the cheek,
Speaker 8: holding him close, telling them all his secrets. I've even
Speaker 8: read different things online that with his hair shape, Fletcher
Speaker 8: looks like Callous now, and I think it's all a
Speaker 8: big setup. It's not him doing this with Omega.
Speaker 3: So I feel if Letcher comes out with the real
Speaker 3: colored glasses on too, there's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 1: Simply.
Speaker 2: Omega is the outlier factor here. Something people aren't really
Speaker 2: taking into consideration is that they're building some kind of
Speaker 2: Kenny Omega story centered around his final run and can
Speaker 2: and leaving the industry with his title as the best
Speaker 2: bout machine. There have been applications of Fletcher Osprey Okada.
Speaker 2: There's been implications of Gabe, Kid Desperado, you know a
Speaker 2: couple of guys. He I mean like I could very
Speaker 2: I could very well see the rubber match Fletcher winning.
Speaker 2: Omega comes out and lets everyone know who the best
Speaker 2: bout machine is. And again, you know, Okada three months ago,
Speaker 2: I'm the best bot machine, bitch.
Speaker 1: So I wanted I wanted to revisit something that somebody
Speaker 1: said earlier about Don Kallis becoming a babyface. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: seems kind of improbable, but I do have the scenario
Speaker 1: in which he could become a baby face. Tony Storm
Speaker 1: is out with the torn labia, why not have Don
Speaker 1: Callis give her his that saw his forehead, the time
Speaker 1: for everything and the labor. No, that's not what she
Speaker 1: had she I know, I know that's the specifically said
Speaker 1: that she was cutting wood with an axe. Okay, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have a torn labor.
Speaker 3: That's gonna be funny.
Speaker 4: The best part.
Speaker 5: About Tony Storm matches is like when they do the
Speaker 5: crotch kick. It works on everybody. I just I can
Speaker 5: never get over. That's the only women's match where that works.
Speaker 1: Whenever she got kicked in the hurt like hell I would.
Speaker 4: I'm sure it does.
Speaker 1: I've often said, if you want to really, really make
Speaker 1: a man visitable, kick the guy next to him in
Speaker 1: a cross just the thought of it will cripple him in.
Speaker 3: He's got to show him a picture of it, or
Speaker 3: a small video.
Speaker 1: Well, not many people video, Not many people walk around.
Speaker 3: Here sympathy.
Speaker 1: Lead by examples.
Speaker 3: Let's sake you a perfect, a perfect from that brand.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, does anybody else have any of
Speaker 1: the nominations in one of the categories for for the
Speaker 1: A W Vennable Awards.
Speaker 3: I think the hardest one for me was the baby
Speaker 3: Face of the Year, because there are so few baby
Speaker 3: faces in a W.
Speaker 1: That's a great point.
Speaker 3: I mean, you very have very few baby faces. If
Speaker 3: Private Party would have won the titles earlier, I might
Speaker 3: have said them. I honestly can't remember who I put
Speaker 3: on this for the h my nominations I did. I
Speaker 3: think I did him on Reddit. I don't remember who
Speaker 3: I put in there, to be honest with you, but
Speaker 3: I can't really think. I mean, the the only one
Speaker 3: that I did I could think of right off hand.
Speaker 3: If I was going to put somebody in it now,
Speaker 3: would be Daniel Garcia.
Speaker 7: I think for me it's Danielson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Mike you pick.
Speaker 3: But even earlier.
Speaker 1: Danielson was, you know, talking about amateurs and he was
Speaker 1: going nuts.
Speaker 3: Wasn't me he was he was playing tween or King
Speaker 3: of the Year. You know, he wasn't really being a
Speaker 3: baby face at all?
Speaker 5: Did Did nobody pay attention to the person they crowned?
Speaker 5: Is the new guy this year who had a three
Speaker 5: month run as the top baby face in the company
Speaker 5: and is still arguably the hottest baby face in the
Speaker 5: company next to Will ask for everybody missed that.
Speaker 1: One?
Speaker 4: Did nobody?
Speaker 5: Did nobody pop when he beats Mojo for that title
Speaker 5: and go crazy?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 5: Am I the only one that thinks he is the
Speaker 5: baby face.
Speaker 4: Of the year?
Speaker 5: Watching him rise from the end to see too and
Speaker 5: become the people's champ and then the real champ and
Speaker 5: then like classics with Hangar like Swarve?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Am I? Like?
Speaker 4: Was I the only one watching all that? I don't
Speaker 4: understand how nobody else does?
Speaker 1: I never really people said that hag Man isn't necessarily
Speaker 1: a heel. I look at Swerve the same way. I
Speaker 1: don't really consider him a babyface.
Speaker 3: No, I don't either.
Speaker 5: He's the top baby face to me, Man, to me, if.
Speaker 3: You're going to be a baby face, you have to
Speaker 3: you don't. You don't get the flip flop back and
Speaker 3: forth every other match. And to me, that's what he
Speaker 3: did all year one one, Matthew was a baby face.
Speaker 3: The next match he was it was a heel. You
Speaker 3: can't have that, that that makes you a bona fide
Speaker 3: point ma baby.
Speaker 5: And that was against his art rival Hangar. Like once
Speaker 5: he got the belt, he has been a baby face
Speaker 5: the whole time. You have to set the blood feud
Speaker 5: matches aside. Those are kind of like out of cannon
Speaker 5: matches and it's anything goes its rivalry weekend and college
Speaker 5: football when those two hook up. Outside of that, since
Speaker 5: getting the belt from Samo Joe, he has one a
Speaker 5: baby face the entire time. People chant whose house randomly
Speaker 5: throughout the show like nobody else has anything like that?
Speaker 5: Nobody else does. It's him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't see him as I get.
Speaker 2: At a fright night. In between matches, people were chanting
Speaker 2: for m v P SO and not a baby face.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, aw fans are nothing less than zealous.
Speaker 3: So I mean, and you can be a so much
Speaker 3: different in the past. You can be for the well,
Speaker 3: you can be a he and have the best pup.
Speaker 5: A catchphrases.
Speaker 4: Everybody loves them.
Speaker 1: Aw only has one true baby face, and That'ski.
Speaker 2: I love the silence after that statement.
Speaker 1: Nobody is coming up with anybody else.
Speaker 3: Everyone they're truly. That's like I said, That's what made
Speaker 3: it so hard, is there are so few baby faces.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 3: You don't have the problems right now too. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: We've discussed that before. You can't have every champion in
Speaker 3: your company be a be a heel. I can't. I
Speaker 3: don't makes no sense.
Speaker 2: Well, if the a W has had baby faces though,
Speaker 2: I mean classified baby face to a W. If I
Speaker 2: were to pick, I would say three years ago Alcoholic
Speaker 2: king Man had a page.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, what about just going have been faces or
Speaker 6: try to be faces and not Now they've been over,
Speaker 6: you know, you go to the Super sizermy Daddy stuff
Speaker 6: and all that. So I so I say they've been
Speaker 6: super over and then win in the tag titles was
Speaker 6: freaking huge and everybody wanted it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they've they've had babyfaces, they just have
Speaker 5: a problem with them right now. And I think that's
Speaker 5: an issue with the booking too, Like again the Death Writers,
Speaker 5: who are they feuding with every Magic collaboration and a
Speaker 5: couple additional top mid card guys. They were not with
Speaker 5: top guys. It's only been this week when they started
Speaker 5: introducing the Hangman and Jay White stuff that we're starting
Speaker 5: to see them feud with top guys. And why did
Speaker 5: they not have top guys to feud with because all
Speaker 5: the other babyfaces who were top guys already were in
Speaker 5: other feuds. That's why aw is a problem. They do
Speaker 5: not have enough top baby faces. Everybody went heel. It
Speaker 5: was weird timing. They're trying to course correct. You can
Speaker 5: kind of see maybe Hangar is going to turn again,
Speaker 5: but that's one of their problems. They don't have enough
Speaker 5: top baby faces.
Speaker 3: The reason that the Death Writers started out the way
Speaker 3: they did was exactly what they're trying to do. They
Speaker 3: didn't go out of the top guys because that's not
Speaker 3: who his intentions are for. He wants to elevate the
Speaker 3: young guys, motivate the younger people who are just sitting
Speaker 3: back taking a paycheck. It has nothing to do with
Speaker 3: the top people, and that's why they haven't had that
Speaker 3: feud yet they're not anywhere near trying to go after them.
Speaker 3: If you listen to what Moxley says is he wants
Speaker 3: to change aw he wants to build up the younger guys.
Speaker 3: He doesn't care about the older guys because that's not
Speaker 3: his target object.
Speaker 5: So I don't disagree that that's potentially what they're trying
Speaker 5: to tell you. That works great if you've got an
Speaker 5: hour long drama and it's fifteen episodes in a television series,
Speaker 5: and you can really really get that across the fans.
Speaker 5: But in professional wrestling, if you want people to give
Speaker 5: a crap about a feud, it's got to involve a
Speaker 5: top person, and in this case, the Death Riders and
Speaker 5: this last week have not been feuding with anybody at
Speaker 5: the top of the card. Orange Cassidy not a top guy.
Speaker 5: He's a top card, but he's not a top guy.
Speaker 5: Same thing with Garcia. Those are the top guys. So
Speaker 5: I know that's what they may be trying to do something.
Speaker 5: And I don't think you're necessarily wrong there, but the
Speaker 5: way they're trying to play that out, it's not working.
Speaker 5: It's not.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I thought it would be fun to revisit last year
Speaker 1: and give you the winner from last year just to
Speaker 1: see how it's changed. Let me list the seven categories
Speaker 1: and who won it last year. For Men's Wrestler of
Speaker 1: the Year was MJF. For Women's Wrestler of the Year,
Speaker 1: it was Tony Storm. For Babyface of the Year, it
Speaker 1: was MJF. For Heel of the Year, it was Christian Cage.
Speaker 1: For Most Improved of the Year, it was Julia Hart.
Speaker 1: For Character Work of the Year, it was Tony Storm.
Speaker 1: And for a Faction of the Year was the Blackpool Calmbat.
Speaker 7: So not much wow, not much.
Speaker 2: Couple name changes.
Speaker 1: I will say this that as far as who was
Speaker 1: nominated last year and who was nominated this year, who's
Speaker 1: leading the nominations. From what I've seen, I haven't tallied
Speaker 1: them yet, there's a lot more names in there, so
Speaker 1: there's a lot more diversity in there going toward it.
Speaker 1: I want to move on because it kind of kind
Speaker 1: of bleeds into what we just talked about about the
Speaker 1: whole we don't have enough babyfaces. There is a rumor
Speaker 1: that are reported at World's end we're going to get
Speaker 1: a fatal four way for the aw world title, and
Speaker 1: the four men who are rumored to be. Participating in
Speaker 1: this are John Moxley, Christian Cage, Jay White, and hang
Speaker 1: Man Adam Page. And you can argue that the biggest
Speaker 1: babyface and that whole group is Jay White. What the
Speaker 1: hell is going on here?
Speaker 3: And do you like this match?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be a banker.
Speaker 5: It was mox Hager White? And who is the fourth one?
Speaker 7: Christian?
Speaker 1: Christian Cage Christian the wild card? Mmmmm.
Speaker 5: If you're going to bring that Copeland that works perfect.
Speaker 1: It'll be a big match. But as far as story goes,
Speaker 1: this doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would.
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm not a fan of the four
Speaker 1: way at all. I don't care who you put in it.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of the four way at all.
Speaker 1: If Boxley beats I just want to person If Boxley
Speaker 1: beats Cage, Page and White, who in the hell is
Speaker 1: get to challenge him next? There is nobody really that there's.
Speaker 7: It won't be a clean somebody's going to come back.
Speaker 1: You would need at least three or four people coming back.
Speaker 1: There's no way that this match.
Speaker 5: And can I ask Shane a question?
Speaker 3: Oh here we.
Speaker 5: Go, Shane, who do you think speeding Max for that belt?
Speaker 2: Darby or Kenny.
Speaker 5: I'm thinking the same thing. I think it's ny.
Speaker 2: I think it could. I think in our hearts we
Speaker 2: wanted to be Kenny just because we know that he's
Speaker 2: on his farewell tour. He puts so much work into
Speaker 2: the company. He's paying his tribute to Japan right now.
Speaker 2: He thinks that that his last major health scare is,
Speaker 2: you know, his coup de gras for entering work. You know,
Speaker 2: I think Tony would honor the work that he did
Speaker 2: by putting the belt for on him, send him for
Speaker 2: a short run, and then let him hang his boots
Speaker 2: the way that he wants to. I also think that
Speaker 2: they put a lot of time in developing Darby. It's
Speaker 2: a roller coaster. They let him get his ask kicks
Speaker 2: a little bit, then he's on top, and he gets
Speaker 2: his as kicked a little more. Then he's on top
Speaker 2: of already beaten mos clean. I mean, I could see
Speaker 2: it happening.
Speaker 5: Yeah, your thing for Kenny is exactly what I was thinking.
Speaker 5: I viewed it from an emotional, long term storytelling aspect.
Speaker 5: Kenny Omega is the guy that they built this promotion around,
Speaker 5: and he is did Mox beat him for the belt
Speaker 5: or was it Hangar was it hangman?
Speaker 4: Hangman?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: He beat mox for the belt.
Speaker 1: Right yep?
Speaker 2: Then hang okay, yes, dark order stuff right.
Speaker 5: So for me, like just again the emotional center of
Speaker 5: the establishment and writing this wrong, that is the death writers.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm just using some emotional terms. It makes
Speaker 5: sense for it to be Kenny. Like you said, he
Speaker 5: has a short term run, and he gets to pick
Speaker 5: the guy he wants to put over to drop the
Speaker 5: title to May who knows. I mean, that's a huge
Speaker 5: golden ticket for wherever he decides to drop it to.
Speaker 2: I mean from a logistical standpoint too, I I mean
Speaker 2: with the impact that the exploding barbed wire death match hat.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it because it's in the dark history
Speaker 2: of aw I don't think it'd be a wise move
Speaker 2: to put Kenny in box together, like in a setting
Speaker 2: like that. So I mean, maybe Kenny off a box
Speaker 2: or Kenny off of Derby. But Kenny ultimately holds it
Speaker 2: again and goes on one final run. Maybe belt clocks
Speaker 2: for one more time because they're giving him plenty of time.
Speaker 2: It's evident that they're building a program with him in
Speaker 2: Japan right now. He's a bolt club leader going after
Speaker 2: Bolt Club top guys. So I could see it so
Speaker 2: that he comes over here and stirs it up over
Speaker 2: here completely.
Speaker 3: You asked about who could be the next in line
Speaker 3: after that. My son was in the kitchen and he
Speaker 3: ever heard her conversation and he held her a name
Speaker 3: at me. He said, it would be cool if Hobbes
Speaker 3: was included in that talk, and I think that would
Speaker 3: be an amazing person to put in that battle. Eventually
Speaker 3: he is, he's come back. He's talking about how he
Speaker 3: wants to bring his real life personality into his character,
Speaker 3: and he would go over huge as a babyface and nothing.
Speaker 3: That would be an amazing master c where you had
Speaker 3: Hobbs take on Moxley, because if anybody in aw could
Speaker 3: take Moxiana would be.
Speaker 5: Hobbs them stopping that book of Hobbs stuff.
Speaker 4: You're spot on.
Speaker 5: It was awful like he had a good thing going
Speaker 5: and it was easy to get invested in Historian And
Speaker 5: I think you're right getting back that's gonna be good.
Speaker 5: I'm Kelson. I'm sorry. I think I talked over you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've said it before and I'll say
Speaker 1: it again. I am a huge mark for our house Hobbs.
Speaker 1: I just think he's great. I said it. I think
Speaker 1: last week where if I could pick one man from
Speaker 1: AW to just hang out with and you know, bend
Speaker 1: their ears, just have dinner with, you know, and just
Speaker 1: talk wrestling, it would probably be Powerhouse Hobbs because I
Speaker 1: just like his person. He just strikes me as an
Speaker 1: all round good guy. He just snarls a lot. But
Speaker 1: one word that you said it rings true with me. Eventually,
Speaker 1: they've gotta do a lot of work with I'm not
Speaker 1: saying the Powerhouse do talent. It just doesn't make sense
Speaker 1: right now. It's going to take a year or so
Speaker 1: to build him to that level where he can share
Speaker 1: the spotlight with somebody like Moxley and and uh like
Speaker 1: Kenny o'meaga will Osprey.
Speaker 3: I think he could do it.
Speaker 1: They just gotta make him. And the one thing that
Speaker 1: I have reservations about, and you guys may disagree with me,
Speaker 1: but he's a big guy. He's the big muscular guy,
Speaker 1: and Tony Kahn just doesn't seem to like that much.
Speaker 3: I don't know everything you've ever saw on WWE a
Speaker 3: w because for the longest most of the time that
Speaker 3: McMahon was in charge. He loved his big guys. Didn't
Speaker 3: matter they were big, they were good to him. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, but the other thing about that is, like
Speaker 3: you said, not at the moment, I agree. But the
Speaker 3: nice thing about the way they're doing this, and what
Speaker 3: makes this storyline so good is you can string this out.
Speaker 3: This could go on for ever if they really really
Speaker 3: wanted it to, because you can bring so many new
Speaker 3: people into this and you can rotate through. You get
Speaker 3: these three out of here, then you bring in Osprey,
Speaker 3: maybe you bring in Okada, maybe bring in the Bucks.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could between now and the time that
Speaker 3: somebody that their final boss is ready, you could have
Speaker 3: so many good, many stories in there that this could
Speaker 3: provide stuff for a long time.
Speaker 7: I would rather have Ospray be a champion in Omega
Speaker 7: or Darby. I just don't see the point of having
Speaker 7: this whole.
Speaker 6: Dude, if if an older guy's gonna come in and
Speaker 6: and beat Moxley, and I don't think Darby's would make
Speaker 6: a good world champion. I used to think that, but
Speaker 6: by the way his matches goes reminded me so much
Speaker 6: of how Orange Cassidy's thing go to the the roll
Speaker 6: up stuff I just don't want to see him. But
Speaker 6: Will is a future and I wouldn't mind seeing him
Speaker 6: with that bell, but I don't know how to throw
Speaker 6: him into the mix eventually.
Speaker 7: Well, and they can.
Speaker 3: Always say if if they do put it on Kenny,
Speaker 3: he could drop it to Osprey. Yeah, I mean that
Speaker 3: would be They've have a history. It would make sense.
Speaker 3: I mean Osprey, you could put it on him. You
Speaker 3: could put it on Jay White through Kenny. I mean
Speaker 3: they have a history in New Japan.
Speaker 7: I would be very omega got it.
Speaker 5: I think from when I was talking about that storyline earlier.
Speaker 5: Maybe it's not Kenny, but it seems to me they're
Speaker 5: setting this up that somebody who beats Max is an eight.
Speaker 5: It's going to be an a W original, whether that's
Speaker 5: one of the Elite, whether that's Darby, it's an a W.
Speaker 5: It's got to be an AW original. So I don't
Speaker 5: know who else they go with.
Speaker 4: But like a tough guy.
Speaker 3: Could see m j F getting involved in this and
Speaker 3: the story that he could prove pool and they could
Speaker 3: have with him versus Mox and the and the Death Riders.
Speaker 3: I mean, oh my god, well he would he would
Speaker 3: probably want to join them and then not necessarily join
Speaker 3: with them.
Speaker 5: Put together, if Mox is the muscle, MGFS team would
Speaker 5: have to be the smarter ones. They'd have to be
Speaker 5: able to outwit them and out scheme them, and they
Speaker 5: you know, they'd have some beef in there. But if
Speaker 5: Max is the power they got to out smart them,
Speaker 5: that could be a fun feud. Suddon, I think it's
Speaker 5: I don't think it's a terrible idea. It could be
Speaker 5: a lot of fun with done right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The funny part is we can sit here and
Speaker 3: we can talk about this for the next four hours
Speaker 3: and you can name off everybody in ae W and
Speaker 3: you're not going to find a bad option in any
Speaker 3: of them, to be honest. Yeah, Yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 3: the great part about this. Everybody, you know, like you
Speaker 3: said earlier, you don't necessarily or somebody said it, they
Speaker 3: don't necessarily like what the death Writers are doing. But
Speaker 3: the fact is they're doing, and they're doing more. They've
Speaker 3: done more with the death Writers than they've done in
Speaker 3: the entire first five years of AW for the men's side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, show, I disagree on every show, every show, and
Speaker 1: it's the same thing on every show except for this
Speaker 1: past week. I was surprised. I was surprised this past week,
Speaker 1: and I enjoyed it this past week. Every show for weeks,
Speaker 1: the Death Writers did the same exact thing that they
Speaker 1: did the previous week. The only one, the only one
Speaker 1: that I can distinguish from any of the others, was
Speaker 1: the show that I was at Wilkespeare, Pennsylvania. You know
Speaker 1: that's the only one, because for five weeks we talked
Speaker 1: about it here. The Death Writers just did the same
Speaker 1: exact thing every week. It was I believe a case
Speaker 1: where they brought the Death Writers in a little too soon, probably,
Speaker 1: but they would have waited about two or three more weeks,
Speaker 1: it probably would have worked better.
Speaker 8: I really need something bad to happen to Wheeler.
Speaker 1: Dah.
Speaker 8: I'm tired of waiting so.
Speaker 7: To happen.
Speaker 6: Every week.
Speaker 8: I'm on the edge of my seat like he's going
Speaker 8: to get it, and and he somehow squirms away.
Speaker 7: You need to week eventually, somewhere along the line.
Speaker 1: How could you be hating on Wheeler?
Speaker 3: You to that I have never liked Wheeler. I have
Speaker 3: never liked him.
Speaker 5: I want to toss this out there to you guys,
Speaker 5: to so many it might have been something he was
Speaker 5: saying a second ago. When they do the four way match,
Speaker 5: we're figuring out, like, well, how does Mox retain? Some
Speaker 5: Shenanigans go down, So assuming OC stays off camera for
Speaker 5: a while since they murdered him, I could see a
Speaker 5: scenario where he comes back, his music hits, and he
Speaker 5: comes in and everybody thinks he's going to stop Max
Speaker 5: from winning, and he does what Shade has been predicting
Speaker 5: and turns heel, and then we get a run with
Speaker 5: OC who actually cares and tries with the Death Writers
Speaker 5: as a heel. It sounds ridiculous because it is, and
Speaker 5: it will never happen.
Speaker 2: It is, but unfortunately ridiculous. I wish Tony would take
Speaker 2: more liberties.
Speaker 1: And like it.
Speaker 2: For a dude that works so hard to emulate the
Speaker 2: attitude area, you think he'd make steeper and more consequential
Speaker 2: choices in storytelling, but he always seems to dance around
Speaker 2: the same thematic principles and it makes aw sometimes difficult
Speaker 2: to watch. As much as I love the product, it's
Speaker 2: just frustrating. It's just being transparent.
Speaker 1: Soary, did you say that this was something that Shade
Speaker 1: has been I thought.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Shades, and I every time joke that anytime now
Speaker 5: Oc is going to turn heel, and just how great
Speaker 5: it'll be when he turns because he can be we
Speaker 5: can finally see an orange casside who cares. You can
Speaker 5: spin it with like you guys taught me something in
Speaker 5: the ring and that I never took myself seriously, and
Speaker 5: I saw what a wrestler takes himself seriously is like.
Speaker 5: And I wanted that it's addictive in the promo cam
Speaker 5: right itself, but I could see a run with him
Speaker 5: like that, and that was something Shade had said, I
Speaker 5: don't know, weeks ago, and we just kind.
Speaker 4: Of played with it and we do the live chats well.
Speaker 1: To be fair though, Barry Shades, you know, God love him.
Speaker 1: I love the guy, but he's also the one that
Speaker 1: just kept saying, showed me the bunny and that shit
Speaker 1: ever happened, So you maybe for a long wait, I
Speaker 1: just put.
Speaker 5: It, well, the fantasy booking, you know, scenarios that aren't
Speaker 5: going to happen. It's just part of the game.
Speaker 1: It's fun.
Speaker 2: My brother in Christ I also uh, like three or
Speaker 2: four weeks ago prior to Full gear.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: That was one of my Full Gear predictions was Orange.
Speaker 2: Cassidy turns to the Death Riders. I would love to
Speaker 2: please give it to me.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna even break up. Who you thought the
Speaker 1: devil was?
Speaker 2: So I.
Speaker 1: Never know what to let that out. No, I suck, No,
Speaker 1: that came out wrong.
Speaker 3: Who did you think the devil was?
Speaker 1: Come on?
Speaker 2: Was seeing punk?
Speaker 3: It would word it would have in surreal.
Speaker 2: You should have seen me on the forums back in
Speaker 2: my my o G days of the fan hub. I was.
Speaker 2: I was out there. I was fulloil hat like you guys.
Speaker 2: They're still selling his merch on the merch store. I
Speaker 2: would use the wayback machine on the internet to see
Speaker 2: when they No, I'm always that guys.
Speaker 1: As crazy as what as you were, Shane, you did
Speaker 1: make some really good points.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still like that. I just unfortunately that uh really,
Speaker 2: that whole entire situation took me and knocked me down
Speaker 2: my huge bag. I'm pretty good at Do you remember?
Speaker 1: Do you remember who I said was the devil? Shade?
Speaker 2: No, I was too caught up in my own bullshit
Speaker 2: to pay well.
Speaker 1: My bullshit was almost as bad as yours. I thought
Speaker 1: Tony K was.
Speaker 2: The Oh we did say that? Oh god, that would
Speaker 2: have been great.
Speaker 8: I remember that because I thought that for a while.
Speaker 2: You know, but let's be fair, at times, Tony Khan
Speaker 2: can't actually be the devil.
Speaker 1: To the Internet wrestling community. He is, in fact the
Speaker 1: devil he is.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what I don't understand why he
Speaker 9: gets to hate like everybody who works for him says,
Speaker 9: he seems to be one of the most genuinely nice people.
Speaker 5: Yes, and I don't understand w W. I don't think
Speaker 5: that's I don't know if that's what it is. It's
Speaker 5: just people just create villains in their heads to justify
Speaker 5: perspectives sometimes.
Speaker 1: Just the reason why the reason why people don't like
Speaker 1: Tony Kahan is because he's not w W plain.
Speaker 7: And literally understand him.
Speaker 1: Those are the body in charge of a W and
Speaker 1: they would get the same hey Tony does, right.
Speaker 3: You know what's crazy though, those are any successful.
Speaker 2: That's any of those guys that are so critical of
Speaker 2: the product because of Tony Kahan also owned w c
Speaker 2: W replica books or replica belts and sting action figures
Speaker 2: so they could check out forever.
Speaker 3: Please put us on how long did w c W
Speaker 3: ls four years?
Speaker 4: Whoa a lot longer than four years? Well, yeah, from
Speaker 4: the from the era.
Speaker 5: I think it was four or four and a half years.
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's the other reason. Is he actually lasted longer. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The other competition has been stuff.
Speaker 1: Now, if I'm not mistaken, sometime like around May or June, a.
Speaker 2: W will pass, yeah, metrically in terms of viewership and
Speaker 2: uh and find financials.
Speaker 1: I mean a or I'm talking about lake of time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Nitro.
Speaker 5: According to this, Nitro ran five years, so past the
Speaker 5: Nitro era soon.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 6: But people don't understand Tony. He's he's smaller framed, He's
Speaker 6: not a big guy. I personally think he's on the
Speaker 6: spectrum and and people just love to bully him because
Speaker 6: of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that's the superpowers.
Speaker 1: You see people talk about he's a cocad, he's spending
Speaker 1: his daddy's money, and all this other stuff that is
Speaker 1: just playground bullshit, and that the Internet wrestling community brings
Speaker 1: out Tony Khan bullshit. And I still believe that if
Speaker 1: Tony Khan were to just say the heck with it,
Speaker 1: I'm giving it to name anybody ever wrestling and put
Speaker 1: that in charge, they will get the same hate.
Speaker 2: And let him give it to Eric Bischoff. Maybe he'll
Speaker 2: shut the.
Speaker 3: Maybe somebody success, what about Carter?
Speaker 1: Dixie Carter comment got no hate, unbelievable, So there you go,
Speaker 1: it's gonna go to Dixie Carter.
Speaker 3: And here I would have, like I said, give them
Speaker 3: somebody who's been successful.
Speaker 1: At all.
Speaker 3: I think you get a group together out of aw
Speaker 3: fanhom and we should just all just say hey, we'll
Speaker 3: run it for you.
Speaker 1: I will say this, we've come up early fantasy booking
Speaker 1: year that I personally would have loved to have seed.
Speaker 1: You know, not only in the podcast, but in the
Speaker 1: aw fan of community. There's been some great fantasy booking
Speaker 1: that is totally feasible using what they have. And it's
Speaker 1: better that it's been that it's better than what has
Speaker 1: been on the show. So don't hold hold back on
Speaker 1: on just a regular, average, every day Joe. Maybe they
Speaker 1: get that Peter Griffin guy to you.
Speaker 5: I would love to know, like to pick Tony or
Speaker 5: Shawn Michaels or brain and just like underderstand the challenges
Speaker 5: that goes into booking, Like how much does logistics come in?
Speaker 5: How like how do you guys plan three months out?
Speaker 5: Like I would just love to understand doing that because
Speaker 5: when they used to run the more of the house
Speaker 5: shows too, they'd have to work in guys for traveling
Speaker 5: and balance how many days contractually they need to be
Speaker 5: home and all that. It's just I don't know, it's fascinating.
Speaker 3: Has written out years, not a year. He has this
Speaker 3: written out years ahead. That is a lot of that's
Speaker 3: a lot of his problem.
Speaker 5: Why yeah, I wanted the first couple of years go ahead.
Speaker 8: Sorry, oh thank you. Tony Kahan is always slighted and
Speaker 8: talked poorly about that he's spending his dad's money. That
Speaker 8: you know, he hangs under his dad and and he's
Speaker 8: sheltered by his dad, and in his own right, his
Speaker 8: father is the an NFL team owner. So his father
Speaker 8: has spoken out about his own personal ordeals being an
Speaker 8: NFL team owner and some of the issues he feels
Speaker 8: that he has faced being the owner of an NFL
Speaker 8: team in the United States, And for all of the
Speaker 8: flack that Tony Khan get for various reasons, if he
Speaker 8: really were to me, if he really were kind of
Speaker 8: parroting his dad, you never hear Tony Khan saying some
Speaker 8: of these same issues that he may be facing are
Speaker 8: the same issues that his dad has publicly said that
Speaker 8: he has faced and you know it to me, I
Speaker 8: am I kind of look at it that way that
Speaker 8: at the end of the day, I think a little
Speaker 8: bit of the hate that Tony Khan gets is because
Speaker 8: Tony Khan is a brown guy. And I think that
Speaker 8: that plays into it a bit, at least in some
Speaker 8: percentage of the toxic fan base, and that that's where
Speaker 8: it all comes from. But people that's not the polite
Speaker 8: thing to say, so people disguise it as he's a
Speaker 8: coke head. You know, he's spending all his dad's money,
Speaker 8: and it really boils down to that to me.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry that, but I think that the things
Speaker 1: that people say on the internet wrestling community about Tony
Speaker 1: Kahan are more vile than if they had simply said
Speaker 1: that it's because he's a brown guy. To be honest
Speaker 1: with you, I disagree with you. I don't think it
Speaker 1: has anything to do with his ethnicity at all. I
Speaker 1: think it comes right down to if Tony Kahan was
Speaker 1: in WWE and never bet at aw and ben at WWE,
Speaker 1: he'd be bloved. See he was in WWE. It's as
Speaker 1: simple as that.
Speaker 8: His dad came out as an NFL owner and said
Speaker 8: that he faced a lot of these issues as an
Speaker 8: NFL owner. Sure, And I think that if Tony Khan
Speaker 8: were to say that out loud, Hey, I'm a brown
Speaker 8: guy in this industry doing this, making these strides where
Speaker 8: no one else has, people would immediately point at him
Speaker 8: and go, oh, you're just like your dad. You're just
Speaker 8: like you said we were, we said you were. And
Speaker 8: I can't help but think that that does play into
Speaker 8: it to some.
Speaker 7: Degree to challenge the great and mighty W W.
Speaker 6: E and Vince bickmahon and all them as for people
Speaker 6: hate him because he dared challenge them.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I could kind of see it though,
Speaker 2: because the image of promoters predominantly have been, you know,
Speaker 2: guys like Cornett, guys like Bischoff, guys like Brusso, guys
Speaker 2: like making all of the McMahon's Hunterley, they all follow
Speaker 2: kind of like a character model, and Tony kin is
Speaker 2: nothing like that. And he's energetic, and he's bouncy, and
Speaker 2: you know, I believe sudden he's the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like he talked about amusing his dad's money. His
Speaker 3: dad owns the Jaguars. Tony Kahn, I believe owns. Fulham
Speaker 3: is one of the most one of the most, highly
Speaker 3: prestigious and worth a lot of damn money. He and
Speaker 3: by it with his has money butt with his own
Speaker 3: so you know they can sit there and go well,
Speaker 3: using his dad, there's money to do all this. He's
Speaker 3: not I mean seriously, he said in the past that
Speaker 3: his dad has nothing to do with aw.
Speaker 5: Yeah, ill things are true. I don't think I can
Speaker 5: discredit what Nott's saying. I'm certain there is a portion
Speaker 5: of the fandom who hates him just because of where
Speaker 5: they think he's family's from and they don't like that area.
Speaker 5: There's a portion of folks who subconsciously feel that way
Speaker 5: but don't know how to articulate it, so they come
Speaker 5: up with other stuff. I think the majority of people
Speaker 5: hate him are along the lines of what everybody else
Speaker 5: is saying. But I don't think we can discredit that
Speaker 5: there is a portion of folks. I'm sure that they
Speaker 5: do have a problem with that.
Speaker 1: He's unfortunate, but I'm sure it is, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any question. But I think that there's
Speaker 1: more people that dislike Tony Kof does his favorite movies time.
Speaker 1: I think you're right because he's a brown guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean a lot of this and I
Speaker 2: know this is like beating a dead horse on these
Speaker 2: podcasts conversation, but you know the toxicity in pro wrestling
Speaker 2: tribalism and how people have been conditioned to only follow
Speaker 2: one brand for thirty plus years and they're so desensitized
Speaker 2: to anything outside of it that they'll listen to anything
Speaker 2: the FED tells them is real wrestling as opposed to not.
Speaker 2: I mean, you have people that are on the forums
Speaker 2: for WWE just did that. We're crying about Rick ashe
Speaker 2: like just an example, crying about Ricochet leaving, like, oh
Speaker 2: he's gone, But as soon as they find out that
Speaker 2: he's with AW, oh, well he's just going to play
Speaker 2: gymnastics with his japan friends. Like, who cares what he's doing.
Speaker 2: He's collecting a paycheck and performing for your entertainment. If
Speaker 2: you don't like it, don't watch it. AW survive without you,
Speaker 2: just shut the hell up.
Speaker 1: I think, Shane, I do want to address this because
Speaker 1: we actually had a topic about this on the aw
Speaker 1: PAN Subreditor earlier today, and I will say this, I
Speaker 1: think that it comes down to you, especially on places
Speaker 1: like reddit where moderators do have a semblance of control.
Speaker 1: It's all about the culture that's built. Something you got
Speaker 1: to new buddy, Yes, there you go, thank you. It's
Speaker 1: all about the culture that's built. Look, I also am
Speaker 1: the top mod at Greatness of Wrestling, which is predominantly
Speaker 1: a WWE subreddit, but we also talk about a w
Speaker 1: New Japan stardom. Everything in d's everything, and frankly, there's
Speaker 1: not anything going on there where we have the tribalism
Speaker 1: that you see in other places. Why because when we
Speaker 1: took over Greatness of Wrestling, we made a point of
Speaker 1: saying it's not accepted, and after an initial period where
Speaker 1: people tested the waters, they figured out, hey, it's not accepted.
Speaker 1: So nobody really talks about it that much. Nobody gets
Speaker 1: tribalistic when Ricochet, as Shane Shane has an example, Yes, Shane,
Speaker 1: you're right, people said that, But there are places where
Speaker 1: they said we wish him luck. When when somebody from
Speaker 1: a w went like Ethan Page and Jade Cargill, well
Speaker 1: maybe not Jake Cargo, but went to because Jake Cargo
Speaker 1: was not liked by AW fans very much, that was
Speaker 1: pretty apparent. But when Ethan Page went to n XT
Speaker 1: in w w E. I didn't see anybody saying, oh,
Speaker 1: he's a failure and all he's gonna suck people. He's like,
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, man, we wish we wish him
Speaker 1: the best. We hope he does so well there. I
Speaker 1: can see him with a with a belt soon and
Speaker 1: things like that. It should be about that's what he
Speaker 1: should be about. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Man, I was just happy to see him on TV again.
Speaker 5: He's great and like I feel the same way about
Speaker 5: Ricky Starks. Hey, it's not working on aw Hopefully if
Speaker 5: he goes to the FED that they got the right
Speaker 5: thing and it works out. Like, I just want to
Speaker 5: see these people on TV.
Speaker 4: Man, I just want to see on TV.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I say, Ricky Starks and maybe Rollins is going
Speaker 2: to try to pop back in here again. No, just
Speaker 2: the the Dirt Sheets are like last year. I always
Speaker 2: had this ideology that the Dirt Sheets were the new
Speaker 2: k FABE, and I think that's a lot of the
Speaker 2: problem is people are so quick to go to their
Speaker 2: own little corner of the Internet to gather news from
Speaker 2: sources that are mostly not credible, you know, and even
Speaker 2: the ones that are of lean in one direction or
Speaker 2: the other you know, you know, cultaholic, what culture are
Speaker 2: all of them? You know, like it's it's true. I mean,
Speaker 2: like I watched a video today What Culture that twenty
Speaker 2: five worst moments of pro wrestling this year, and like
Speaker 2: over half of them were aw moments when I could
Speaker 2: have thought about twenty botches, twenty bad matches, twenty bad
Speaker 2: character arcs and WWE that could have very easily trumped
Speaker 2: anything that was going on that list, or things from
Speaker 2: DNA or things from I mean, it's just you know,
Speaker 2: like I said, you know, pick aper, like if it's
Speaker 2: a matter of just not taking in the media. You know,
Speaker 2: if you have one particular flavor, you know, you like
Speaker 2: chocolate with you like chocolate, that's cool. You like vanilla,
Speaker 2: that's cool. You like the squirrel cones that's sweet too,
Speaker 2: I said, Ricky Starks. And here's goddamn wrong.
Speaker 4: I don't know where we're at.
Speaker 6: Many see I went, I mentioned h DIR sheets in
Speaker 6: it and earlier for a topic, and I want to
Speaker 6: hit on something real quick that with the whole Tony Khan,
Speaker 6: I could never see Fightful doing to Tony Kahan, to
Speaker 6: WWE what they did to Tony Khan with Ricky Stark
Speaker 6: saying of demanding he be on TV and stuff, and
Speaker 6: that absolutely that just blew me away, Like shut up.
Speaker 6: I don't like Sean ross Stapp as a person in
Speaker 6: his personality.
Speaker 7: I don't.
Speaker 6: You know, three of them got on there and did that,
Speaker 6: and that's bogus to do to a promoter who you
Speaker 6: literally make your living off of.
Speaker 7: One for him, you would be making a whole lot
Speaker 7: less money. So that's.
Speaker 1: Okay to be fair here, and I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: justifying this at all, but as somebody who you know
Speaker 1: is very active in trying to come up with something
Speaker 1: to post about on Discord and Blue Sky and Reddit,
Speaker 1: there are sometimes there are just slow weeks where nothing
Speaker 1: is happening and you got to come up with something.
Speaker 6: You know you do. You have to come up with something,
Speaker 6: and you know you can run the storyline, but to
Speaker 6: post on there to three different people to post on your.
Speaker 7: You know you're blue, that's.
Speaker 5: Just how they are. Man Like the guys wrestling talk
Speaker 5: about it all the time too. Why aren't they using
Speaker 5: Ricky starts or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's just that's just what I ad because I have
Speaker 1: something to say.
Speaker 3: I think Ray Phoenix said it best if you read
Speaker 3: the thing that he his thing that he said, you
Speaker 3: don't know everything that's going on, don't start ship, you
Speaker 3: don't talk about let it go until you know everything.
Speaker 3: You don't and you won't and you can. You just
Speaker 3: make yourself look stupid if you post that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: The good thing about it is Tony didn't cave in
Speaker 3: and go, well, we're gonna put him on TV now,
Speaker 3: so they can run their mouths all they want to
Speaker 3: and they can demand it. In the end, it just
Speaker 3: makes them look like idiots.
Speaker 1: Well here's here's what I was gonna say. Look, we
Speaker 1: do a podcast twice a week, and we've come up
Speaker 1: with some of the most outlandish things that you could
Speaker 1: possibly say. And frankly, you know, I said some things
Speaker 1: about Eddie Kingston Sutton. You hate everybody but Chris Statlander
Speaker 1: and the women's division.
Speaker 3: That's true. I hate two people, specifically.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 1: I think you need to go back and listen to
Speaker 1: the podcast. You say nice things about Chris Statlander and
Speaker 1: bad things about everybody else. I've never heard you say
Speaker 1: anything nice about any other woman but Chris Statlander, period. Sorry,
Speaker 1: it's the truth, just like you've never heard me say
Speaker 1: anything nice about Eddie Kingston except for that. Oh here
Speaker 1: we go for what I'm saying. What I'm saying is
Speaker 1: is that look, if you're going to point fingers quite
Speaker 1: about yourself too, expect now.
Speaker 7: And be all and al.
Speaker 6: I respect Tony Connan what he's done for the industry
Speaker 6: and stuff like that. I'm you know, I can say it,
Speaker 6: but I don't have the platform that they do, and
Speaker 6: you know, people aren't coming to me for my news,
Speaker 6: and they need to be held to a higher standard.
Speaker 6: If they're gonna be called quote unquote journalists, then they
Speaker 6: need to be treat a life journalists. What they do
Speaker 6: is yellow journalism.
Speaker 1: You know, I agree.
Speaker 2: I agree with what you're saying. They have a responsibility
Speaker 2: as reporters to you know, convey the most honest and accurate,
Speaker 2: you know, information that they're gathering. That I mean again,
Speaker 2: like it's that's a the microcosm of a much bigger
Speaker 2: issue in our country as a whole. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: just if we just want to like laser focusing on
Speaker 2: professional wrestling, I don't think it's stopping anytime soon. Now
Speaker 2: that there's a second FED, it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Well, you don't what, Shane, and I'm going to say
Speaker 1: this too. When you're somebody like what Culture, fight Full
Speaker 1: or whatever, Busted Open Radio, whatever, whatever you're doing, you're
Speaker 1: also competing with the blue check marks on Twitter. There
Speaker 1: are people on Twitter that went out and bought a
Speaker 1: blue check mark money monetize their posts, and then they
Speaker 1: just post the dumbest it that you can possibly post.
Speaker 1: I have lost so much respect for people that I
Speaker 1: used to follow and talk to on Twitter who bottom
Speaker 1: blue check mark and then they completely turned into absolute
Speaker 1: shit posters. There's no other way to put it. And look,
Speaker 1: when you're talking about fight Phone, you know, Sean Ross app,
Speaker 1: this is their livelihood and they can only go by
Speaker 1: their sources, and their sources are often people that are unnamed,
Speaker 1: that are backstage at these shows, that observe stuff, and
Speaker 1: they're probably fed bad information quite a bit just for
Speaker 1: shits and giggles if you think about it.
Speaker 8: So it is what it is.
Speaker 1: But you've got the when you're doing a podcast or
Speaker 1: where you're doing a website or whatever, you're gonna come
Speaker 1: up with some really weird stuff. You know, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: you are, and I hope that it flies. You're gonna
Speaker 1: make seeing your pants. You're gonna make seen of your pants,
Speaker 1: opinions or whatnot, and sometimes it blows up in your face.
Speaker 1: You do it enough, they cease to exist. Thank you
Speaker 1: for listening. Be sure to tune in on December twelfth
Speaker 1: when Shane will be interviewing doctor David Reese, the staff
Speaker 1: psychiatrist for All Lea Wrestling, and you can join in
Speaker 1: as a listener live right here on discord. And again
Speaker 1: we will be putting our discord link in the description
Speaker 1: of this podcast, so be sure to visit us, join
Speaker 1: our discord, have some fun. Got quite an active discord,
Speaker 1: so come and have some fun with us. So for
Speaker 1: the AAW Fan podcast team, this is Kelson. We'll see
Speaker 1: you tomorrow night or I'll lea talk where we review
Speaker 1: AW Dynamite. Got quite a card. I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a lot to discuss. Good night, everybody, Eddie.
Speaker 2: Kingston for two time Triple Crown Champion when he comes back.
Speaker 2: Good night.
Speaker 1: I met it, but I think de thren monks, he
Speaker 1: knocked her right off the toilet.