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Speaker 1: What's up everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Hobby Hotline, episode three eighty two, here

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on April, the second Saturday in April. I believe I'm

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here with Lauren and Alex. We are going to be

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covering a lot about the industry conference, the TOPS industry

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conference that happened this past week. And I know Alex

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you were actually at the industry conference, so I want to,

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you know, after we're actually sorry, let me kick the

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Lauren first. I'll ask her, Lauren, how's your how you doing,

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how's your week bend? And then we'll kick Alex after that.

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Speaker 3: Good, good week, exciting week, interesting week. Looking forward to

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this conversation, it's a lot to talk about into.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And Alex, you were at the industry conference.

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I saw a bunch of your video is doing a

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great job covering that from a media perspective. Let the

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audience know, like what your experience was, like, how did

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it go? You know, any anything that maybe didn't hit

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the new cycle that you heard about that you want

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to do an exclusive here on Hobby Hotline.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, how how was it all?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: Adam, good morning, And first off, before I start, no

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one ever really talks about ask the host like, how

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are you doing? How was your week?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, week was week was good. Just been you know,

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a crushing videos. I was gonna say busting out videos.

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That's a pause, but yeah, doing a bunch, doing videos

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every day, trying to do as many as I can here.

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But yeah, week, week's been good. I mean Master's week.

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That's always exciting. Glad to I'm excited.

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Speaker 4: To take it off the background. I got it on

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in the background right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to take a nap on Sunday and fall

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asleep with that in the background. But yeah, other than that,

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I mean, everything's good. Thanks for thanks for jumping in there,

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no problem.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I just want to make sure everyone's fully aware.

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Like everyone knows the industry conference is for direct accounts,

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right with tops direct accounts. This year is the first

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year the Fanatics brought out a few content and creators

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influencers to help, you know, put out stuff on social media.

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They they kind of are starting to understand, like all

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the shops are gonna do it already as soon as

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the stuff's on the stage and you know, in displayed

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and they've announced it, like it's out in universe, it's

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out in universe. So they're like, let's bring a few

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friends of fanatics out and and maybe they'll do the

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same thing through their network and everything else. So a

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few of us were invited, and I want to make

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sure everyone's fully aware. I was not paid to go out.

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They did not pay my way nothing. I had to

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pay the whole thing. And for me, it was one

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of those incidents where it's great information right off the bat,

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and also it's great networking seeing all the shop owners

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and everybody else you know that was there, so myself

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new cards and comics. These are accounts that you can

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go on YouTube, you can and you can go on Instagram.

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You go everywhere their socials are and just check out

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some of those stuff. Some of this stuff Kayla collects.

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Was their talent was there? Jay Mojo? He was just

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pumping out stuff left and right. But he he has

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a nice little business going with some interns pumping out

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stuff for him. So if he's got it easy. I

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was sitting there just going to town my phone and

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everything while I was happening. But out in Arizona, out

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in the Glendale where the Cardinals play in State Farm,

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which is great for me because Pat Tillman Memorial is

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right in front of there, so I got to go

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back and see that again, so that's always nice. But

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it was put a very very good conference put on

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by TOPS, and I'm grateful for the fact that I.

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Speaker 1: Was able to Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I mean it looked like, you know, the amount of

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news I was actually I couldn't believe it. I mean,

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the last couple of years, there's always news that comes

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out at the industry conference. I think two years ago

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someone had leaked that Bronny was going to be signing

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with TOPS, which then probably meant that lebron was gonna

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be signing with Tops. And then last year there were

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images of the you know, first Tops chrome basketball product

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that they put in the slide that I don't know

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if necessarily was supposed to get out, but it did.

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And then this year they have WWE in because just

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in the past year since the last Industry Conference, they

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have acquired the licensing rights for w well, not acquire,

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but started making them for ww NFL and and and

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the NBA. So this was probably one of the bigger years.

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what was you know, was there any news that you

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saw that you were excited about or that caught your

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eye this past week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there was so much. I mean, I'm

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a tennis collector, I collect cocoke off, so like it

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was nice to get some updates there. Nothing like really

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smashing there, nothing.

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Speaker 1: Like blowing my mind like like that.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, like it was. You know, it's good to

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get updates. It's good to hear like what direction they're

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going in and what to look forward to, any changes

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anything that like might kind of tweak how I pursue,

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you know, my collection. Yeah, I mean I think and

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also you know, knowing kind of where they've been and

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where they're going with tennis, that kind of like it

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kind of like gets you prepared for what they're doing

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with the other products. You know, I'm familiar with graphite,

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I'm familiar with royalty. I'm obviously not like an expert,

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but I'm familiar with it, so I can kind of see, like, okay,

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based on I know and like about the NBA, what

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am I gonna find you know, from from royalty based

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on what I know about it from collecting tenants. So

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that was interesting. And with WWE, I think I think

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this is going to be a really big exciting time

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for w W E cards. We've been looking forward to

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the Royalty because I believe Royalty is where they're going

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to have the WrestleMania patches. Like John C's WrestleMania patch.

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I believe that's going to be in that product and

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that's coming may, I think, And so that's really exciting.

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and the excitement and the fervor, which is fun. So yeah,

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I think it was it was cool to kind of

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see where they're going. I will also say I I

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love seeing like kind of the designs and where they're

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going with it. I has Brian and I are very

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active on the ww Slam app, which is you know,

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chard collecting app, and it's kind of it's cool because

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you can kind of see like some of the designs

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there and you can see a little bit of it,

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not always like you know, BARB for bar, but you

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can kind of see the influence between the app and

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you know, the physical product that they're you know, releasing.

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it's exciting. I think it's a taste of you know,

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what's to come, and I think that the hobby, you know,

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I think that's good news and they can talk about it.

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We're going to talk about it and criticize it, but

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it's it's good. I think it's exciting and fun.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that obviously you're seeing Tops now

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with like this is at least for the next you know,

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five ten years, this is gonna Tops and fanatics are

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going to be running the show here like, and so

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seen here and there, but it's like the quickness that

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pretty interesting. I Mean, for a while it was always

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Openini stinks they have no quality control, and I think

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to an extent that some of that stuff is true,

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but I think it's more just, you know, the loader

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comments are always the negative ones, so those are you know,

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people are more likely to leave negative comments than positive comments.

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But the amount of you know, Tops is flooding the

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market or Tops is doing this, and it's like they

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just they haven't even made half of these products yet either.

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really I don't know what people have to complain about

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so far, in my opinion, all Tops has really done

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has add more stuff into the hobby since Fanatics took

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over in twenty twenty three. I mean the debut patches,

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you know, and now they're going to be making the

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premiere patches, which is actually you know a little bit

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of the segue here into the first topic that we

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have from the specifically from the show is the design

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of the well the debut premier patches, same difference here,

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but the premier patch design, which is going to be

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in this first top Schrome product, has been revealed. So

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you know, Alex, I think you were so you were

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at these presentations and you know, you saw some pretty

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cool stuff that they actually did with the premiere patches.

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what that experience was, What was the crowd reaction, how

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did they feel about these cards?

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Speaker 4: So I just want to talk about something that was

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in the comments. Someone asked if I got any free stuff?

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fully awhere. You know, none of the content creators, influencers

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they invited got any of the free packs or anything

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else like that. That was for the hobby shops direct

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accounts that all paid for their you know, to be

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there and everything else. So we were there just specifically

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just to push stuff out. They get none of those

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perks unfortunately. Trust me, I wish I would add some.

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But the Premier patch A lot of people don't know

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is this. These premiere patches have actually been around for

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a few years. They just haven't been put in the cards.

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years ago, two or three years ago. They have to

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look that up, but they just didn't have a license,

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so they haven't been able to use them.

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Speaker 1: And everyone, I think.

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Speaker 4: Yes, everyone speculating like are these were these going to

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be used? Were these the ones that are going to

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be doing or they were they just for the NFL.

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know a little segue into showing it off or whatever. Mcmellan,

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the Rookie of the Year Offensive Rookie of the Year

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from the Panthers, actually showed up there and signed his

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on the spot at the conference. He was only there

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for minutes.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: They did a nice little skit where I mean Mike

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able to sign it, and he was in the building,

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came up and signed it. I have one takeaway from that.

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This product releases next week, right that card is not

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in a pack right now, So what does that tell me?

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That's probably a redemption, right, is my guess.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: I'm not one hundred percent they could have quickly put

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it back into production put it into a pack. However,

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I think it's probably going to be a redemption. And

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if it's redemption, that means that card will not be

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found in a Breaker's delay because the Breakers Delight boxes

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they're all live and all the other skews retail and

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hobby they're redemption. So if you have the Panthers and

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you're searching for that card, I wouldn't And if you're

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going into group breaks, this is group breaking, right, I

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wouldn't be taking the Panthers in Breakers Delight. Just that's

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just me. That's something that people didn't talk about, something

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I thought of of later that you know, the fact

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that wasn't already packed out means it's probably going to

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be a redempt. So I've always one of the things

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checklist that comes out. I wish they would say which

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ones are redemptions and which ones aren't. Back in the day,

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checklists used to have a little asterisk saying they're redemptions. Right,

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If you tell that, then you know specifically where to

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search for these cards. But that was really cool feature,

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highlights of the whole conference, was him showing up and

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signing it, and it was pretty cool.

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when I noticed that they had these patches. So I

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did some digging and looked and looked into it. And

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they had been doing it since twenty twenty three, like

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player rookies had been wearing these patches, and I didn't

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I didn't know what they're going to do with the patches.

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Speaker 1: I thought that I had no idea.

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put them on license cards.

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Speaker 1: I didn't really know.

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Speaker 2: There was an NFL memo that was put out in

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twenty twenty three that apparently the rookies got to keep

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their jerseys and with the patches came on the jerseys,

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and it was a whole it was a whole part

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of it. So I don't know at what point that changed,

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Tops making the patches, Like I don't even know really

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where it stemmed from.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I either I thought it.

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completely different one. Knowing that this was the NFL's like,

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you know, announcement for this patch, I thought Tops would

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come out with another debut, not the premiere, but they

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ended up you know, taking this actual patch right right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Lauren, I'll ask you this question.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know that you were talking about before

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the show some of the WWE debut patches and stuff

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along those lines. So you know, there were a ton

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of announcements of other patches as well. We'll get into

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the basketball one, but what were kind of your thoughts

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on the overall the patches that were announced. I mean,

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you can talk about ww if you want, or the NFL,

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I guess in the scenario.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think it's cool. I think I

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remember when you know, they first announced what they were

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doing with baseball and how exciting that was. That was

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a huge fervor and I loved that. I love the

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excitement that was around it. And I think, I mean,

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I think it's died down a little bit now because

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you know, it's not as novel. It felt very like

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fresh and exciting, and you know, baseball is also kind

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of a different breed from football and basketball. I know

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we'll probably get into it a little bit, but like

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you know, with having an update for the NBA with

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the patches, I'm kind of weirded out by that. I

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don't love it, just because of the way basketball works.

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ahead or like a season behind. I guess you would say,

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like you know, you're you're not. Like with baseball. It

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makes sense because you know players are being called up,

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things change. There should be you know, there should be

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like adaptations. With basketball, it's kind of like one fluid thing,

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like you're there, you're not, and like you look forward

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to them being in like the product, you know, the

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next year. So I don't know, I might be nitpicking

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on that, but it's kind of weird to me they're

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going to have an update. I don't love it. And

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it's not like that's just.

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Speaker 1: A nitpicky thing.

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Speaker 3: It's not a big deal. It's just I don't love it.

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But yeah, I mean I think the patches are cool.

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I think it's just another way to like connect with

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you know, with your favorite athletes. I mean we can

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like last night we were watching SmackDown and Dan Housen

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he is, you know, very popular on like the indies

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and stuff, and now he's at WWE.

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Speaker 4: I've looked all over for a debut patch. I looked

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all over his too. I couldn't find one. I don't

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think he had one. I was just like, where is

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it all?

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Speaker 3: Well, Brian, I was looking. I was like, where would

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it be? Is it on its cape? And like we

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missed it? But Brian said it was on his I

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think left boot up by his shin. Maybe I don't

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know exactly. I have to go back and look too,

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but he mentioned it last night that that's where it was,

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so almost next time, next time. But yeah, like that,

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see like that, this is another way like I'm connecting

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with another fan and we're like, you know, like it's exciting.

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I think it's cool. You know, Alex is gonna go

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back and look and like, you know, like, I think

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that's cool. I think it's a cool way to engage

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people with you know, athletes and and the product that

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they love. And I think it's yeah, I like it.

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Speaker 4: Debut patch it nice.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Dan House and I had watched him

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when he was on a w but then I bought

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some of he was in.

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Speaker 1: I think it was like I forget I think it

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was an upper deck set.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember exactly which one it was, but I

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bought a couple of his cards and then and then

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he got hurt. And I know we're getting kind of,

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you know, specific into nerdy wrestling here, but like Dan,

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I mean, Dan Housen is hilarious and I'm glad that

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he's in the WW now, and I'm glad that after

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his debut people didn't really like him.

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Speaker 1: Now they seem to love him. So that's right. I

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think that's really great.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I think too to your point,

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Lauren about the update, it really almost feels like now

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they're they're sort of I'm hoping next year maybe they

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just put the patches in the regular Tops Chrome. I

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think that there's two reasons why they're doing Tops Chrome update.

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For basketball this year, probably to get Luca a Tops

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Chrome you know, debut card I suppose because he wasn't

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in the first Tops Chrome. Uh, he will, I guess

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presumably be in this one. And then also the debut

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patches that will be the reason why they're doing Tops

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update this year for Chrome. But you know they're putting

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the patches in the regular Tops Chrome for football and

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I have seen I guess kind of again we're sort

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of transitioning. There's so many topics here, I want to

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kind of keep everything all together. But the the the

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products that they announced for the NFL, there were six

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products that have been announced so far, and I don't

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know if that means that there's only going to be

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the six. Uh they announced obviously Tops Chrome and then

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finest Signature class Tops Chrome, Black, Tops Chrome Cosmic, and

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there was one more that I forget O Resurgence, which

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is like an autograph product. So I don't know if

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it's gonna be a shorter release schedule here. And you know, Alex,

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I'll ask you this question, how do you feel about

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Tops taking over the license and making rookies from last

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year with the draft in like two weeks.

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Speaker 4: So what they said was this year's class is only

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going to have like that small group, a small group

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of six different products. The next year they're gonna have

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twenty some products. I can't remember the exact number. They said,

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twenty some product So that's good, right, And I want

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to go quickly go back to the Chrome update and

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everything with the patches. They're going to have to continue

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to do this because they're gonna be doing TOPS Chrome

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you know, already in the beginning of the year. There's

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no way they can get those debut patches into regular

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TOPS Chrome. That's why updates there, right, it's later on

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in the season while they all making their debuts, and

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some of those individuals that go directly to the G

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League first, they're coming up after, you know, and just

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like just like baseball there com they might be coming

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up later on in the year. So also with update,

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we didn't we didn't Top off you know, discuss I'll

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discuss it real quick. They've got alternate jerseys, so they

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have a lot of the city jerseys are going to

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be the actual cards instead of you know, the regular

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jerseys and stuff. So there are different variations. But again

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this is another time frame where TOPS is just you know,

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I believe throwing a product out there just to make

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more money and throw I mean, that's where the gimmick

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of the cause it is a gimmick, the debut patches.

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But yeah, so the football wise, you know, with those

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six one of the cool things, you know, with the

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draft that's coming up that they did announces they said

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they're gonna have a tops Now card literally waiting for

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after they come off the stage. So it's like as

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soon as I don't know, if they have a little

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bug ineer, as soon as it's announced that you know,

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they'd be printing right there. They just have everything ready,

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or if they have all the players, they might already

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have all the big players cards with all thirty two

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teams already made and you know, and then to destroy

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the other ones and just have that one sitting there

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waiting for them to sign. So that's gonna be pretty cool.

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But those six products, you know, you can see it's

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a lot of the chrome Materials resurgence they've had before

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Signature series. They've had these with the non license you know,

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you know last year. So uh so they've already know,

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we already kind of know what's probably gonna look like

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and everything. But with the NFL logos and everything else,

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we know they're gonna just look so much better, and

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I'm excited excited to see it and see what they

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can come with, especially with.

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Speaker 2: The lineup that Yeah, yeah, yeah, Again, it's maybe a

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maybe it's a social media thing, but I've seen people

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talk about how this draft class like isn't as good,

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and it's like, what games were you watching?

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Speaker 1: Like this draft class was awesome last year.

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Speaker 2: I don't I Again, maybe it's just I noticed these

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comments sometimes because I just see them on social network.

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But yeah, I think it's exciting that we're getting Tops Chrome,

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you know, in I guess it's up come this week's

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So that's really cool.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys had any experience trying

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to buy any of that Tops Chrome. I saw that

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the Jumbo first day issue boxes that they did for

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the Dutch auction, those actually sold out at They started

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at thirty two hundred, and they went down a certain

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amount every couple of minutes, but then within twelve minutes

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they were already sold out at twenty eight hundred dollars,

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which you know, you know, Lauren, I'll ask you this question.

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Maybe like where like, that's pretty that's a pretty interesting

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insight into the demand for football, you know, because basketball

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made it pretty far down the list, Like I was,

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I was looking back at it was seventeen hundred dollars

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for basketball, so it dropped almost half the price. Do

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you think that it is a football demand or do

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you think it's maybe more that people saw what happened

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to the price of those first day issue basketball boxes

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and they didn't want to miss out on prices for

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these one A guess.

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Speaker 3: That's a good question. It might be. I mean, it

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might be a little bit of both and more one

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than the other. I don't know. You know that I

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think that's one thing that is good and bad depending

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on you know what angle you're looking at it from.

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With you know, all these tops announcements is there is

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a lot of excitement and a lot of hype and

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people get invested in it, but then the price gets

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driven up and Dutch options I don't I don't have

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a problem with Dutch auptions. I think it's an interesting concept,

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but you know, I think it it links to the

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aftermarket so much, you know, I think it's a way

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for the company to get in on like aftermarket pricing,

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you know. So I don't know, I don't know. It's

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you know, it's it's kind of hard right now to see.

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I feel like there's depending on which glasses you have on,

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if you have your rose color glasses or your like

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regular ones. Is it people passionate about you know, the

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product and the new products and the players and collecting,

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or is it people who are passion about you know,

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making a profit and you know, breaking and stuff. And

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I'm not trying to like cask either one. You know,

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make judgment on either one, but you know, one obviously

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has a lot more preference to majority of people, especially

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the people who are probably watching this, than you know, others.

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So I don't know. I think I think there is

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a lot of interest, but I think there's also like

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I think there is fomo of like, wow, there's a

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lot I mean with WW right now, the numbers are

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kind of like they're in a transitional period right now,

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and it's kind of astounding. And you know, we've seen

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things that pop off like crazy, just all of a sudden,

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and not in like a flash in the pan kind

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of way. Some of these are like sustainable, like they

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jump and don't come back down. So I think it's

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an interesting time for like all these things coming together,

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and and also how tops and fanatics are managing it,

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and you know, are they you know, kind of fueling

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it in a you know, sustainable, positive way that works

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for collectors and people who make a living off of

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this or is it just you know, we're gonna gobble

476
00:22:05,599 --> 00:22:07,680
up as much as we can and leave it how

477
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,119
we you know, how we do. So, I don't know,

478
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,680
it's interesting. That's a great question, because I think that's

479
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,720
a really I think you could come back and ask

480
00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:16,920
that at a lot of different points and have a

481
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:17,880
different perspective.

482
00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think that's the same. I

483
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:21,359
agree with you.

484
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 2: I think it's a kind of I think it's a

485
00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:24,640
kind of a combination of both. I mean, I think

486
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,119
the pricing for basketball is definitely you know, that's going

487
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,039
to affect the future pricing for these products. Like, I mean,

488
00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:33,200
I wouldn't be surprised if next year they do it

489
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,640
and it sells out immediately, like it doesn't go down

490
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,519
and price it all if they started thirty two hundred,

491
00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:39,279
I wouldn't be surprised of it. It doesn't sell out at

492
00:22:39,279 --> 00:22:41,720
thirty two hundred. We actually had a good comment here

493
00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:44,519
in the chat from I think one of our co

494
00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:49,559
hosts here Still Gum. He was talking about that there

495
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,200
was no flagship product. So, you know, Alex, I'll ask

496
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,720
you this question. Do you think like the difference between

497
00:22:55,759 --> 00:22:59,799
tops Chrome and just regular Flagship do you think that

498
00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:03,200
would have been a cool product to start off with

499
00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:06,039
here like they did with Basketball, or like, are you

500
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,640
fine with them jumping right into top scrowl because I

501
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,359
think in theory, this is going to be a bit

502
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,319
of a shorter h a shorter class in terms of

503
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:14,880
how many products there are coming out.

504
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think because of the shorter timeframe, that's the

505
00:23:17,759 --> 00:23:20,680
reason why they did that. Usually Flagship is the first

506
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,920
one that's out, it's out for a good bit right

507
00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:25,559
before they start doing some other stuff, and I believe

508
00:23:25,599 --> 00:23:28,759
they just skip that because of the time frame. Like

509
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,640
as soon as the draft happens, I'm almost positive, Well,

510
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,319
they're going to do the premiere, right, you know, the

511
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,319
rookie premiere and stuff they're going to start pumping out,

512
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,079
you know, the card stock for Flagship, you know, for

513
00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:42,079
for the next draft year, for this one coming up.

514
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,880
So I'm fine with it. Mainly because you know, I

515
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,279
everyone was fully trying to think like one of the

516
00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:51,960
problems with a lot of UH sports, and you know,

517
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,720
hockey is a prime example. They're always behind, always behind.

518
00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:57,759
And if if TOPS would have said, hey, let's make

519
00:23:57,799 --> 00:24:01,359
our twenty products right of foot twenty twenty five because

520
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,440
we want to. I mean, we saw it with Wemby.

521
00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:05,880
We saw with the Wemby rookie stuff. It was like

522
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,680
two years after he was a rookie, he had rookie

523
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,799
stuff coming out, right, it would have been I think

524
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,319
the backlog. So the one thing that I do think

525
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,960
is funny and I want to tie it all together.

526
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,240
You know, with all the different products, there is one

527
00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:23,559
product line on one brand that I see across all

528
00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:27,319
It's Royalty Royalty. But it's not in football Royalty. It

529
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,559
seems like it's in every single sport. And that was

530
00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:33,160
one of the questions I had going to the industry conference,

531
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,839
was asking, I'm like, are you gonna do this with

532
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,519
all of them? Are you gonna have five star football soccer?

533
00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:40,160
You're gonna start making all those you know, one brands

534
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,240
that you have in baseballdynasts. They said, there's gonna be

535
00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:44,440
a dynasty football down the road, there's gonna be of course,

536
00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:48,319
dynasty basketball and everything else. Are they going to constantly

537
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,759
keep making the same products across the all lines, And

538
00:24:50,759 --> 00:24:53,680
it seems like Royalty is the first one besides Chrome

539
00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:56,799
of course, right Chrome and pretty much finest. It's one

540
00:24:56,839 --> 00:24:59,400
of those first products that is the bigger ones. That's

541
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,519
in UFC, it's in WWE, it's in soccer, it's in tennis,

542
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:05,480
it's in all that all the other sports. So I

543
00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:09,279
really liked seeing that announcement. But back to football, I think,

544
00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:13,279
you know, having these these quick six and how long

545
00:25:13,319 --> 00:25:16,119
they've been you know, actually hopefully they were making them

546
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,480
all at the same time. So when these players were

547
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,799
sitting down signing, they were signing all the different I

548
00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:22,519
know a few times that I've been at shows and

549
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:24,200
I've been in the back rooms where I've been able

550
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,920
to be around the players signing the cards like they

551
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,599
were multiple different, you know, different products that were there.

552
00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:32,079
Was pretty cool to see. And then to tie again

553
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,799
back to everyone's talking about tops tops tops tops, when's

554
00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:37,799
the last time you heard anyone talks about talk about

555
00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:41,240
the unlicensed basketball that's coming out from Panini right right,

556
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,400
it's literally getting ready to come out. No one's talking

557
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,799
about that right at all. And so tops is you know,

558
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,119
done enough. I believe that's out there with you know,

559
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,200
marketing and everything else and everything they're doing, or Panini's

560
00:25:56,279 --> 00:25:59,680
just not doing enough that you know their their stuff's coming.

561
00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:01,920
It's the only rpas that are going to be out

562
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,119
there for one of the top road right exactly, and

563
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,960
those players. So I think I find that pretty interesting.

564
00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:10,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're gonna actually take a quick, quick little

565
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:13,640
jump into I believe we got John and Jason actually

566
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,599
at the I think they're at the strong showing ways.

567
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 5: We could not hear you at all, so apologies, but

568
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,960
we are here live at Strongsville. Wanted to say, Hi,

569
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,119
it's a poppin' show this weekend, all kinds of people.

570
00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:35,000
We had the YouTube gathering last night, well over one

571
00:26:35,079 --> 00:26:38,559
hundred people were there. Uh four collectors that is doing

572
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:43,119
our trade night tonight and we are expecting a big shroud.

573
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,599
It's a great show here, So big show, guys, Thanks

574
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,480
for joining, Thanks for letting jump on. Yeah we said

575
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,240
hey let's jump on the hobby hotline and talk for

576
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:53,680
a minute.

577
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,519
Speaker 1: So yeah guys, yeah, yeah, have a good one.

578
00:26:56,519 --> 00:26:59,039
Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks for having guys have a good show saying Hi,

579
00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:00,839
thanks guys.

580
00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:03,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a John and Jason.

581
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 2: They were in an alternate universe that was the in

582
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,799
the in the Wrong that was vertical rather than horizontal.

583
00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:11,319
Speaker 1: There glad they could jump in there.

584
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 4: You know.

585
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:15,039
Speaker 2: Obviously four collectors were here on their YouTube channel. Always

586
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,480
gracious hosts here for our show every Saturday. Definitely definitely

587
00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:21,319
some cool stuff. If you're at the Strongsville Show, I

588
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,200
mean check that out. I mean say how to everybody.

589
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:23,319
Speaker 1: Man.

590
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,839
Speaker 2: You know the shows like that, the Strongsville Show, they're

591
00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:29,920
always exciting to go to. Uh, definitely definitely fun, especially

592
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,759
you know after with with some of the news, I'm

593
00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:33,720
sure the show is probably buzzing there.

594
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:34,759
Speaker 1: And so yeah, we'll.

595
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: Jump back into I think the the thing that you

596
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,519
were talking about, Alex is something that I've been thinking about.

597
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,480
I don't know, I'm trying to figure out how to

598
00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:45,839
angle a video something here because I think the unlicensed

599
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,400
Panini stuff is going to do much better than I

600
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,000
think people realize, because I think that Panini has done

601
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:56,000
such a good job with basketball and this is this

602
00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:58,480
is sort of the maybe I'm kind of brainstorming a

603
00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:00,720
little bit here and spitballing, But like, I feel like

604
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:05,559
Panini's basketball products licensed have been a little bit better

605
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:09,480
than Tops' baseball products potentially, so like when you shift

606
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:12,880
that over to an unlicensed environment, That's why I think

607
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,079
maybe the Panini baseball maybe doesn't do as well compared

608
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:21,519
to Tops baseball, and then the Tops basketball maybe didn't

609
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:24,559
hit as hard as maybe some people were expecting versus

610
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:27,279
the versus the license or unlicensedtuff. Again, I'm still trying

611
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:29,359
to figure out exactly what I'm trying to say here,

612
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:29,880
but yeah, you can.

613
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,279
Speaker 1: I think you see what I'm saying.

614
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,079
Speaker 4: I think it goes off the optics of where the

615
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,880
cars look. You know, I'll I'll be the first one

616
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,079
to say the Tops unlicensed basketball looked like total garbage.

617
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: It did, Yeah, didn't.

618
00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 4: Especially the finest was brutal. It was brutal looking. But

619
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,559
I also had a theory saying they did that on

620
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:49,880
purpose to make their licensed basketball look better. That's That's

621
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,200
what I'm putting out there. So yeah, yeah, but Panini

622
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,119
has also been doing unlicensed sports for a long time now,

623
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,799
so they kind of learned they know the right angles

624
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:01,160
to put the players and every and stuff like that,

625
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,440
and there was If you look at the unlicensed basketball

626
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,920
that's coming out, there's a lot of holding the basketballs

627
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,160
in front because a lot of the logos for basketball

628
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,519
is right here, right, and everything else. So I think

629
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:15,240
that they they've learned, they've they've actually been watching comments

630
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,880
and hearing people talk about it, and their production team

631
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,480
or their their creative team is putting together these designs

632
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,559
off of what people are saying of the license, like,

633
00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:24,640
we're gonna still go this route. But the thing we

634
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,039
did here, the only thing we haven't heard is any

635
00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:31,359
unlicensed football. None, right, none at all? Right, are they going?

636
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: You?

637
00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:33,359
Speaker 4: I know that's one question everyone's going to have, you know,

638
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,839
they you know, they of course lost the NFLPA rights

639
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:37,400
and stuff, and that's why they didn't have any active

640
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,599
players in those last few products. But we've seen unlicensed

641
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,000
basketball stuff coming up, but they haven't announced anything unlicensed football,

642
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:46,279
so I don't even know it's gonna happen. But uh, yeah,

643
00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:48,680
I think I think it's the optics aspect that they've

644
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:54,279
they've actually learned, you know, from from other crappy looking ones,

645
00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:58,200
to make this look better. So, yeah, save dynasty basketball

646
00:29:58,279 --> 00:29:59,799
and then that's that was one of the big news

647
00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:02,480
ever one talked about. I'll talk I'll tie this in

648
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:06,279
real quick. NBA Hoops, the NBA hoops brand. Okay, everyone

649
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,720
was like in shock of like, how are they making

650
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:12,880
NBA hoops cards when they were just with Panini. Well,

651
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,000
the NBA license actually owned the NBA Hoops product, So

652
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:20,359
wherever whoever has the NBA license has that product and

653
00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:23,119
that's why they're able to they I literally when we

654
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,680
were talking this, I was talking to some them actually

655
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,319
from Bleaker Trading right before this was announced. When it

656
00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:28,720
came on the stage, I was like, yeah, whoever has

657
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,559
the NBA lights has the cards, and then they quickly

658
00:30:31,599 --> 00:30:34,200
said it on stage. That kind of it was funny,

659
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,000
those those mock ups and the stuff got actually announced

660
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,160
from tops like the pictures a day before this came

661
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:40,799
on the stage.

662
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:42,359
Speaker 1: That's what I saw.

663
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:44,519
Speaker 2: I saw those images and I was like, I was like,

664
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:46,240
what the heck is this like this? I was like, okay,

665
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:48,400
so let me just like photoshop the images. I was like,

666
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,640
that's kind of cool, Like I guess these.

667
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 4: Days with AI it's like really really hard.

668
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,319
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's right right exactly, and I'll just want one.

669
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:59,759
One other point about the unlicensed Panini stuff. I think

670
00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:02,920
with the NBA, and you know, potentially NFL as well,

671
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:08,200
the jersey colors are much more iconic in the NBA

672
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,880
than they are in the mlbuh because and just the

673
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,920
the the logo placement on the jerseys are much easier

674
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,720
to avoid than it is for baseball, because with baseball,

675
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,240
you got it across the chest, you got it on

676
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:22,720
the helmet. With basketball, all you got is one logo

677
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:26,839
on the jersey somewhere. And the colors that are used

678
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,440
on those jerseys, Like if you told me, like just

679
00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:30,960
you know, even off top of your head, if you

680
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,480
if you I were to say, I'm thinking of a

681
00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:34,960
team that's purple and gold, Everyone's going to say Lakers.

682
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,279
I'm thinking of a team that's green and white. Everyone's

683
00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:39,559
going to say Celtics. If you were to say, you know,

684
00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:43,480
I'm thinking of a team that has like gray and red,

685
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,400
like that could be any that could be ten different

686
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,279
teams and that won't be So I think that also

687
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,599
translates better to unlicensed product. I mean, just from what

688
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,279
I've seen at least so far, like, I think the

689
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:57,640
way that they can do it will be very cool

690
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,359
and so you know, Lauren, sorry, I think we me

691
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:01,400
and Alex going off on a little bit of TANGI yeah,

692
00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:04,240
and listening. Yeah, I'll give you, I'll give you some

693
00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:07,839
time here. What were your thoughts on the UH you know,

694
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:09,920
maybe it's hoops, maybe it's any of the NBA stuff

695
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,960
that kind of that came out this week with UH

696
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,240
with with more products being announced.

697
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: Well, I remember, I can't remember where I saw it,

698
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,480
but I'm ninety nine point nine nine nine percent sure

699
00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:23,759
it was Alex who said that NBA hoops, you know,

700
00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:25,640
like I'm sure I read it somewhere and it was

701
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,279
from Alex because that was fast and that was interesting

702
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:30,839
to me that like, yeah, that's that's a through line.

703
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,359
That's really cool that NBA has that, Like that's a

704
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,000
really cool thing. I think that's I think that's you know,

705
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,599
significant to know. I think that that's a really cool

706
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,799
little factoid and a and a great thing for like

707
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,599
the through line of NBA products. Yeah, I in talking

708
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,000
about the unlicensed UFF I do agree with you. Like

709
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:49,640
That's why I was just kind of listening because I

710
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,319
agree with both of you were saying, which is Panini

711
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:56,240
does seem to usually be a little bit more particular

712
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:59,000
about the photos that they choose for their unlicensed stuff

713
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,559
and the I was looking because I thought I had

714
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:06,279
a spare stack of magic players from the Tops basketball chrome.

715
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,400
It was ugly. The pictures were like inconsistent, like some

716
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,839
of them were studio shots, some of like it was

717
00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:16,359
very weird, like the way that they did it, it

718
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:19,440
did seem a little bit kind of like here damn

719
00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:22,240
kind of situation, you know, like we got to get

720
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,160
our phone in the water, so let's just like toss

721
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,680
this out here. And yeah, so I mean it was

722
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:30,759
just I was quiet because I was just listening to

723
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:33,400
you guys and thinking, because it's a really interesting conversation.

724
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,680
We are at a drinking point where yeah, we're being

725
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,599
bomardered with all this top stuff, but like Panini's not gone.

726
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,000
Well here, they're still doing stuff. And you know, I

727
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,039
know I've talked a lot about like they have the

728
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:47,640
WNBA license and they have you know, they have a

729
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,640
lot of women's sports. I think they really should go

730
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,799
in hard on that. But yeah, they can still make

731
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,599
on licensed products, and they can still they can still

732
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,519
contend with tops and fanatics, maybe not to the extent

733
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,000
that would like, but like they're still you know, they're

734
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,519
not dead on arrival. They're still there. There's still you know,

735
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,280
And and TOPS is really good at their marketing. They are,

736
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,320
and I think that that's something that you know, like

737
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,519
we saw with the National you know, over the last

738
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:17,760
couple of years, they really stepped it up. Last year,

739
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,400
they really tried to pursue you know, digital marketing, and

740
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,760
I think that that's important. I think you can ignore

741
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,440
that at this point in the game, otherwise you will

742
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,280
not survive it. And so I think Panini, I think

743
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,039
Panini really needs to step that aspect up. And I think,

744
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:37,039
you know, I don't. I'm not saying they have to

745
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:41,119
do like what fanatics and TOPS do, but like I remember,

746
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,480
something happened some sporting men I can't even remember, but

747
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,519
I was looking at Panini like to see, like are

748
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:50,159
they doing a penie instant? What's going on? And they

749
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,480
like just didn't post they weren't even posting in like

750
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,320
their stories or like they're not following along with the

751
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,320
narrative of the sports that they do have, and they

752
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:01,760
have to they have to contend with that and they

753
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,639
have to drive the interest. So yeah, it's interesting. I

754
00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:08,519
think it's an interesting aspect and it'll be great to

755
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:11,880
see how Panini decides to react, if they do decide

756
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,320
to just kind of keep going at their stag and pace,

757
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,400
or if they are going to contend, you know, to

758
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,400
some extent with Tops.

759
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 4: So going off the picture you have on there, Adam,

760
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:23,360
I did want to put a little tidbit out there

761
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,679
that a lot of people actually don't know the Bowman

762
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,920
product that's coming out right. It's going to have both

763
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,480
college and you know for Bowman first and the rookies

764
00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:33,559
in it. It's a product they've already shown previews for

765
00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:35,079
it and they're going to have all the different stuff.

766
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,400
There's one thing, there's one problem in there. Leif owns

767
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,400
the rights to the Bruiser Brothers. They will not have

768
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:47,559
any Bowman cards. The top people from the draft will

769
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:49,559
not have any Bowman cards. You know, a lot of

770
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:53,519
people those exclusive rights to these players, you know, Leif

771
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:55,719
goes out and gets them earlier, are going to keep

772
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,480
them out of this type of product. So it'd be

773
00:35:57,599 --> 00:35:59,519
very interesting to see. I know we've seen that in

774
00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:03,480
the past, right, Damian Lillard right off the bat, Donovan

775
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:07,199
Mitchell of course, Jordan and other individuals right are exclusive

776
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,679
to one brand and then in all the other stuff.

777
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,440
He is one of the biggest players that are coming

778
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,000
out in the draft and he's not even going to

779
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:13,480
be in there.

780
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, there's gonna I mean, Bowman I think

781
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,079
will be cool because it's the first time we're gonna

782
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:23,320
see NBA and then men's and women's college all within

783
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,239
one product. I do, I do, I don't know. It's

784
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,800
not It's not really a worry because I think TOPS

785
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,840
will figure it out. But like, I think that the

786
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:36,360
Bowman product for baseball works because the players are wearing

787
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,400
their pro uniforms, so and I think that the Bowman

788
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,679
product for college worked because they were in their college

789
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,519
uniforms and it wasn't this combination of NBA and college players.

790
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,079
And so I'm I don't know. I'm kind of torn

791
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,480
on if I like the combination. I think it's cool

792
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,280
to include both of those, like all three of those

793
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,639
groups of players into one product, But I do I

794
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:01,760
don't know. So I wish that they would almost do

795
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,119
like a secondary I wish they would just do it

796
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:05,480
like how they do it with baseball, like do a

797
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:08,360
Bowman college product and then do like a bowman chrome

798
00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:10,719
or a bowman some other type of bowman where you

799
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,920
can include the college players but then also include the

800
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,719
pro players. I just I wish there was maybe some

801
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,280
sort of separation there. And actually I sort of kind

802
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,000
of along the similar topic, I want touch on something

803
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:23,800
Lauren said. I think that Panini needs to lean into

804
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,480
more of their segmentation of their sports, you know, with

805
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:32,000
you know, they also just got the WNS, the NWSL

806
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:35,199
license the Women's Soccer League, which is you know, not

807
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,199
necessarily a newer league. I think it was formed in

808
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:39,840
twenty twelve, but over the past four or five seasons,

809
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,760
that's where we've seen a lot of the growth. And

810
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,119
Park's side cards I believe was the company that made

811
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:48,320
those cards before, so Panini just got the license for them,

812
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,679
and then they have the license obviously for WNBA and

813
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,679
their soccer with the World Cup coming up. I just

814
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,559
think that within the sports card industry, not every product

815
00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:59,000
has to be for everyone. So I think figuring out

816
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:03,679
a way to segment the and give the collectors of

817
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,239
the sports what they want and not try and make

818
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,320
every product the same, I think is going to be

819
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,079
very important for I think it's gonna be very important

820
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:14,320
for Panini because they have, you know, the WNBA. They

821
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,440
just signed the new collective bargaining agreement, so they're not

822
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,320
going to go into a lockout or they were kind

823
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,920
of in a lockout, but not really because the season

824
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,960
hasn't started. But I do think that overall, Panini just

825
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,320
needs to segment.

826
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: And I don't know or maybe not.

827
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 2: I guess it's maybe kind of a fifty to fifty

828
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,239
there whether they should or shouldn't. But in my opinion,

829
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,880
that's just sort of how I think Panini should be

830
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,519
moving forward with with some of their products, like with

831
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:40,199
the licenses that they that they have. They you know,

832
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,599
we can't dwell on losing the licenses because there's nothing

833
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:44,639
you can do about it. So it's like they just

834
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:46,840
got to figure out how to move forward with and

835
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:50,159
again WNBA and WSL those are very popular.

836
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:51,559
Speaker 1: And then even the World Cup.

837
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 2: That's like I haven't seen as much promotion about these

838
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,440
World Cup stickers or the World Cup prism as much

839
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,400
as I would like, and those are in my opinion,

840
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,280
that's the most This is the most important product. The

841
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,599
World Cup prison product is the most important product for

842
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:06,480
them since losing the licenses in the last decade, So

843
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:07,840
I don't know, and maybe that's a little bit of

844
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,159
an exaggeration, but I don't know.

845
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: I still think that there is very important.

846
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 4: So I'm wondering if it's because of the fact they

847
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,199
might not have a lot of the signers, right, you know,

848
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,679
everyone pushes towards you know, those big, big players and stuff.

849
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:23,199
I'm wondering if they haven't been pushing a lot because

850
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,880
they know TOPS has them all and you know, to

851
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,119
go back to Able and Vegas's comment, I don't know

852
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:32,280
if it's just exclusive autos or their actual whole rights

853
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,559
for the Boozer brothers, So don't quote me on that,

854
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:39,039
but I know for a fact the autos they will

855
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:41,599
not have. I don't know if it's actually just all cards.

856
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, like I don't know if it's like an

857
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,519
arch Manning situation where there's no arch manning Tops cards,

858
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:49,840
where it's like, fully, the full license of arch Manning

859
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,320
is not in TOPS, it's only in Panini. And I

860
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,679
think same with Dylan Rayola. I think his name is

861
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,239
the guy that tries to mimic Patrick Mahomes.

862
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,599
Speaker 1: I think he isn't in any TOP.

863
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,639
Speaker 2: I think he might actually not thinking about he might

864
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:03,039
have one TOPS card, but not like as of recently.

865
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:05,280
But arch Manning, I know, doesn't have any TOPS cards

866
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,679
only has only has paninies. So you know, maybe it's

867
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,239
the same thing, like maybe I don't know, I mean Leaf,

868
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,320
I don't know how Tops and Pine really let that

869
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,360
slip through the cracks, like those are two of you know,

870
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,880
he's gonna be the number one pick. So it's like,

871
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,719
I don't know how you miss how you miss almost

872
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:19,800
getting the number one pick.

873
00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:23,079
Speaker 4: Here, It's happened over so many years, back to back

874
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:25,519
to back. You know, these guys go exclusive with one

875
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:29,639
so so yeah, but you know, I don't know if

876
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:31,639
you had it, you know, on your on your stuff

877
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:33,840
to look up. But one of the biggest things, and

878
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,280
I know Lauren really loves us too, is the entertainment

879
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,840
section of TOPS, right the announcement for you know, Star

880
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,400
Wars and Disney and all the other stuff that they're having.

881
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,039
There is so much stuff that they are bringing out

882
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,840
over the next year that they talk about it is

883
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,039
we don't want to bring up your search history.

884
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: There's no just fine there.

885
00:40:55,039 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 4: But but like you know, the fiftieth year of Wars

886
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:02,760
is next year, right, you know, and they're they some

887
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,039
one of the biggest things that I thought was one

888
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:07,360
of the coolest things. And in one of the tops

889
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:12,159
products will be actual film cells from the original Star Wars,

890
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,960
the original first movie. The actual film cell signed you

891
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,880
know by Harrison Ford, well you know, signature whatever. There

892
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,639
was a true one of ones. That is fun. That's incredible, honestly,

893
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,199
like that is history right there. But some of the

894
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:30,840
stuff with that, with Disney and everything else, Disney Channel autographs,

895
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,440
I know a lot of people talk about that.

896
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

897
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:36,039
Speaker 4: Right, there's so many individuals and again we're now we're

898
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:41,519
getting into the the realm of a lot of these characters. Jesse,

899
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:45,280
Jesse came out. It's really funny. As he walked Candace

900
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,519
Parker was in the building. She was doing some stuff

901
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:49,920
over there, and he walked right past her. I'm just like, yeah,

902
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,440
that's always nice looking like buzz light you're walking by

903
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,199
Candas Parker.

904
00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:57,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I love the love the dedication there

905
00:41:57,159 --> 00:41:58,800
from Jesse because I think he has like a super

906
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,800
viral video of him wearing the buzz light your outfit

907
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,480
opening up tops crawl. Oh yeah, because he pulled the

908
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:06,920
like one of one.

909
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 1: Walt Disney autograph for this past year, and.

910
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: It was like during Halloween or was during something where

911
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,639
he was wearing the buzz Light Universe.

912
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he loved the medication.

913
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,159
Speaker 4: He needed to wait for the adult side costume to

914
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:21,000
come out and not just go full force under the

915
00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:24,480
kids size. But yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, he did

916
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,119
a really good job being on stage helping monitorate the

917
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:29,280
entertainment section because you know, he does a lot of that.

918
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,320
But the Disney Channel autographs did hit a lot of

919
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,519
people in the crowd because they're the age They washed

920
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:36,719
a lot of those Disney Channel type of shows and

921
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,679
everything else, right, you know a lot of it. It's

922
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,519
not going to hit all the older individuals. But the

923
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:45,440
stuff that they're doing with Disney and Marvel and WWE

924
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:46,400
is just incredible.

925
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, And I mean that was when I saw

926
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,960
the Disney Channel. I was like, oh, I was like, oh,

927
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,320
that's really cool. I mean, I I I love the

928
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,840
you know, I have like a Rizzler autograph. I love

929
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,679
the like random pop culture, the random pop culture cards

930
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:02,679
that come out and leaf actually you know we're speaking

931
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:04,360
about Leave earlier. They I think have done the best

932
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,320
job out of anybody coming out with the most like

933
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:10,159
relevant pop culture people that are going on right now.

934
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:14,840
So I think this top, this Disney Disney Channel product,

935
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,360
I think is going to be very quiet. You know,

936
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,440
they have Vanata Hutchinson, Demi Lovato, Roman, Raven Simone, and

937
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,199
then more than those are the names that they have

938
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,079
on there. So I'll be interested to see, you know,

939
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,320
who else who else they have on that, because that's.

940
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 4: One of the things I've told Tops, I've actually talked

941
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,920
to you know, a couple of individuals. How they haven't

942
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,320
came out with their own pop century product is mind

943
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,760
boggling to me. The amount of people that they that

944
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,559
they do stuff with and everything else from actors, from

945
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,840
US artists and everything else, Like, how they do they

946
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,159
not have their own pulp pulps pop century type of

947
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:49,320
product is yeah.

948
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:51,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, totally yeah, I agree.

949
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 2: I mean it's just that there are I don't know,

950
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,960
it's just the the mixing of popular culture and cards

951
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,239
is kind of in full effect right now. But I

952
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,320
think it can it can continue to get bigger. I

953
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,559
mean we see a lot of like, you know, Dune

954
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:05,800
for example. I mean I'm a big Dune.

955
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,039
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you're doing books at the back,

956
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:08,840
but I'm a big dune head. I guess you could come.

957
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: But so I'm excited for the movie. And then Tops

958
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,119
came out with the product and I thought that was

959
00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:15,000
really cool, and you're they're doing that with a lot

960
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,920
of you know, the Disney All the Disney stuff they're doing,

961
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,079
I think is pretty impressive. Again, another huge ip that

962
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:24,360
they have acquired. And then uh, the other you know,

963
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,800
big ip that they acquired in this past year. That

964
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,960
exciting that they're going to be bringing this back WWE,

965
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:35,840
and they announced that w W and NFL, and I

966
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,119
don't remember if there were any other buybacks they announced

967
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:41,039
at the show, but WWE being one. That's very exciting

968
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:44,079
that you can return these cards of the people who

969
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:46,679
were going to be in the title matches at WrestleMania,

970
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,159
and then for the NFL, it's going to be Matthew Stafford,

971
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,559
which is interesting. You know, Alex, we were talking about

972
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:54,480
this before the show, and you brought up like, this

973
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:56,400
is kind of the first time that they have done

974
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,440
this buyback where we already know who's going to be

975
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,320
the buyback, who's going to.

976
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: Be the athlete.

977
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,119
Speaker 2: So you know, I I'll you know, I'll kick to

978
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:04,880
you first, Alex, You're like, what were your thoughts on

979
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,079
all the buyback stuff? And you know just kind of

980
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:08,840
overall the thoughts on it.

981
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 4: I guess in general, I've always loved this. I always

982
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,440
love it because it's giving you know, money back to

983
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,559
the hobby shops, right, It's getting people to bring stuff

984
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:20,559
into their lcs. You know a lot of people based

985
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:23,639
cards thrown to the side, right, it is it is

986
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:26,519
re rolling those cards because a lot of times these

987
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:30,119
buybacks they're going in their stamped and there's there's it's

988
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:32,679
really rare. I haven't seen any of the auto buybacks

989
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,960
when the products and stuff and and everything else. But

990
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:38,920
for WWE, right, maybe it gets someone that's had fun

991
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,920
opening chrome and gets them to watch Wrestleman because you know,

992
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,880
the first the first hour Wrestlemnion next week on both

993
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,199
nights is on ESPN, ESPN and ESPN two before you

994
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,199
have to have the actual you know, uh ESPN plus Yeah,

995
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,440
brock Lesner fight is actually on ESPN two. I believe

996
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,719
in that in that first hour, So uh so you

997
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:03,360
watch you free if you have cable. But I love it,

998
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:06,480
Like I said, it brings money back to the lcs's hands,

999
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,719
and it brings people coming and talking and ripping and

1000
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,400
you know, and and the actual aspect of not knowing

1001
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,719
who is me keeps more cards now like the WWE,

1002
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,440
it's only four cards. NBA, NFL, MLB, it's like you're

1003
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:23,239
keeping everything right now because you don't know who you

1004
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,360
know it is now. NBA is a little closer because

1005
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:26,880
you can kind of see the odds, you can kind

1006
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,320
of pick out three. In the NFL. Of course, like

1007
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,000
we said, Stafford was already the MVP when when this

1008
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:35,719
came out, But this is this is a one off

1009
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,599
going forward, it will be different, right, It's gonna be

1010
00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:40,800
when when Chrome comes out, We're gonna be We're not

1011
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,519
going to know. So I've always loved it, and it's

1012
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,320
it's the life on question. Everyone out there can can

1013
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,039
answer it. And you guys can answer it too. If

1014
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:52,280
you have, say you have a CM punk and he

1015
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,320
wins numbered to ninety nine or even number to fifty,

1016
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,719
that's a two hundred dollars buyback credit. Are you getting

1017
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,960
the buy back? Are you getting the the two? Are

1018
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,119
you trying to sell it on ebit?

1019
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: Lauren, I'll kick I'll let you answer that first.

1020
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,519
Speaker 3: That depends on what you know, what I'm gonna saying honestly,

1021
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,360
like because we've had we have had that discussion. Brian

1022
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,760
has like done the math and he's like, I'm gonna

1023
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,559
buy more cards anyway, So do I want the cash

1024
00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:19,920
or do I want the credit? And it's usually yeah,

1025
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,400
I want the credit, So like, uh yeah, usually if

1026
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,480
we you know, have those cards, depending on where it's at,

1027
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:29,480
because what like end of the end of the end

1028
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,280
of the day, Like what's gonna get us more cards?

1029
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:35,639
That's that's the question, you know, if eBay is gonna

1030
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:38,360
get us more cash whatever. But like we we've done.

1031
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,280
I love the buyback. I think it's great. I agree

1032
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,280
with both of you that it's an incredible way to

1033
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:48,519
engage so many different elements of the hobby. And yeah,

1034
00:47:48,679 --> 00:47:52,639
it's I'm I'm I'm gonna go where I can get

1035
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,320
more constant, Like that's that's the bottom line.

1036
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: Right exactly.

1037
00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:00,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean I I I'll be honest, I

1038
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:03,000
bought some shake some SGA cards on eBay. Like if

1039
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,559
you can find them for like fifteen bucks, that's totally

1040
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:08,039
worth it because you're essentially I think the odds for

1041
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:10,440
him to win MVP are like minus fifty thousand or

1042
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:11,039
something like that.

1043
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:12,679
Speaker 1: So it's like he's basically.

1044
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: Guaranteed to win MVP, unless I don't even know if

1045
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,320
there's necessarily a way that he wouldn't win MVP, but

1046
00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:21,599
like right exactly, So, like if you have those cards,

1047
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,679
you're you essentially have a you have twenty dollars in

1048
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:24,239
store credit.

1049
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: So like I was buying him for.

1050
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,159
Speaker 2: Like fifteen dollars a piece just to get like an

1051
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:29,199
extra five, like I think about like I think about

1052
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:30,679
like five or six of them just so that way,

1053
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,199
you know, if I wanted to go to a hobby shop,

1054
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:33,679
I can get it like one hundred bucks essentially.

1055
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: So and you know.

1056
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 4: Someone sold me two X fractors for thirty bucks.

1057
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's great, that's a great deal.

1058
00:48:41,639 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 4: That's eighty dollars. And I'm not turning these in to

1059
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,639
get the blues, yeah, because it'll be the same price.

1060
00:48:46,639 --> 00:48:48,000
It's gonna be the same right price.

1061
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:50,159
Speaker 2: So yeah, And so I mean, if you're like at

1062
00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:52,400
a show, or you're at the Strongsville show or any

1063
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,639
of the or any any show, just in general, I

1064
00:48:55,679 --> 00:48:57,840
think if you go to these dollar boxes, there's probably

1065
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,360
a decent shot you're gonna be able to find maybe

1066
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,039
two or three of these cards because like people don't

1067
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:04,440
you know, some people follow pretty closely what's going on

1068
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,239
in social media. But like if you're a store owner

1069
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,599
or you're somebody who's opening and ripping packs and you

1070
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:11,719
just have a bunch of cards, like you know, sure,

1071
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,239
maybe you know that that SGA is going to have

1072
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,480
this MVP buyback, but some people are just gonna say whatever,

1073
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:18,159
just put it in the just put it in the

1074
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:18,679
dollar box.

1075
00:49:18,679 --> 00:49:19,159
Speaker 1: Who cares?

1076
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:21,079
Speaker 2: So? But if you find them in dollar boxes, they're

1077
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:24,000
essentially worth twenty dollars, So it's a good way to

1078
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,079
you know, I think that I wish Tops would expand

1079
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:30,119
it to you know, potentially all of the award winners,

1080
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:32,800
I mean for basketball and maybe football too. Like I

1081
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,920
just think figuring out a way to get more money

1082
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:41,159
back into collectors' hands is ultimately what I would like

1083
00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:44,400
companies to try and do more of, and especially with

1084
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:47,880
like what a box looks like nowadays compared to what

1085
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,199
it even looked like five or six years ago. Like

1086
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:52,119
five or six years ago, you could go when you'd

1087
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,800
buy a twenty or twenty five dollars hot blaster box

1088
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,800
and you could sell half, you could sell all the

1089
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,760
cards in the box and almost make all your money back.

1090
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: Nowadays, it's a little bit tough.

1091
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: So if there were a way to have three or

1092
00:50:03,039 --> 00:50:06,320
four cards that were guaranteed to be twenty dollars, that's

1093
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,199
something that I would like them to I would like

1094
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,360
them to do. So, yeah, expanding this is probably is

1095
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,079
my I don't know if Tops is listening. That's my suggestion,

1096
00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:15,599
is figuring out a way to expand this. And I

1097
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:17,800
know that they've done it with like the red Bowman logo,

1098
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,639
but it's like, you know, that's again you're making You're

1099
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,400
you're making a card that's different from a base card,

1100
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,320
so it almost defeats the purpose a little bit, if

1101
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:26,320
I'm in my opinion.

1102
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,559
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's it is.

1103
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 2: I think it's cool that Tops does this, and I'm

1104
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,320
excited to see if they do any type of expansion

1105
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:34,559
or if they just keep going. Like I said, I

1106
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:36,519
just wanted to be able to get more money back

1107
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:38,880
into collector's hands, or even if it's store credit, get

1108
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,960
more cards into their hands. I mean, there's people who

1109
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,000
probably have an SGA card. They don't even realize that

1110
00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:45,360
they've got twenty bucks, they can just go and you know,

1111
00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:47,559
exchange it for whatever they want at a store.

1112
00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 1: I think it's really cool.

1113
00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:51,039
Speaker 4: You did segue kind of to something that we didn't

1114
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:54,639
talk about or whatever. The red red rookie redemption. It's

1115
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,719
going to be for basketball, right However, like this, I

1116
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,559
actually have to send us in this drake wild when

1117
00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:02,599
I actually hold it from a Logo Factor box, which

1118
00:51:02,599 --> 00:51:05,199
by the way, is the first time ever there was

1119
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:07,880
these type of parallels in any type of Logo Factor

1120
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,239
box because remember before they were all just in the

1121
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,199
base packs. They were just bass. There wasn't there or whatever.

1122
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:15,440
It's you only cared about the other stuff in the

1123
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:20,519
megaboxes might be the megaboxes. But basketball and the Bowman

1124
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:23,400
product are going to have the Rookie red redemption also.

1125
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,519
But instead of one hundred dollars for fan cash, it's

1126
00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:29,599
two hundred dollars, right it started off two hundred instead

1127
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,239
of one. Herd that was that was some news that

1128
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,559
came out for that, and again it's the same type

1129
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:36,519
of concept, and I have a feeling though the basketball

1130
00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:38,599
wants more, people will hold onto it if Cooper Flag

1131
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:42,039
ends up winning, right because between him and Conkin uple

1132
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,039
Cooper Flag has a better chance probably to win MVP

1133
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,199
than Drake Baldwin does. Right, So you know that's where

1134
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,360
the whole aspect of just holding on and then it's

1135
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:52,960
a two hundred dollars card. Then you know, if he

1136
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,199
wins a second MVP, it's an eight hundred dollars card.

1137
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:57,360
And if somehow twenty years from now he's in the

1138
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,960
Hall of Fame, then it's a thousand dollars fan cash card.

1139
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:03,280
I honestly don't like the holding into Hall of Fame

1140
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,480
because you don't know if this program is going to

1141
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:08,119
be around in twenty years, right right, right, Yeah, So

1142
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:10,119
that aspect, I'm just like, I'm getting it out if

1143
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,840
I would have any right right past in the hurry.

1144
00:52:13,159 --> 00:52:15,480
But to your point, I think what you're talking about,

1145
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:17,199
you know, with having more different cards in there for

1146
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,360
the buyback and everything. It's kind of like the gold

1147
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,760
logo man and the gold NFL shields, you know, that

1148
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,719
are going to be in the product that the that

1149
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,519
the MVP's Defensive Player of the Year, the Rookie of

1150
00:52:26,519 --> 00:52:29,519
the Year, they all wear on their uniforms kind of

1151
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:31,280
would be under the same type of concept.

1152
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, exactly, And I mean, I guess we'll kind

1153
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,239
of quickly touch on this topic as we're kind of

1154
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:38,119
wrapping things up here.

1155
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,599
Speaker 4: James. No, so he said, it's not it's not it's

1156
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:42,639
I think it's the end of June. You have to

1157
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:44,119
turn them in by okay.

1158
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you have any of those, those were

1159
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:48,400
the red the red logo cards.

1160
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 4: Right yeah, Red Rookie Redeka.

1161
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

1162
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: And then he's local. Bret will be sixty fifteen years so.

1163
00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1164
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 2: So I mean, well we'll kind of touch on this

1165
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,239
a little bit. I mean I was not necessarily a

1166
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,679
huge fan of this news. So Fanatics is finally rolling

1167
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,920
out their credit card that they are going to be

1168
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:11,519
there's gonna be rewards for probably buying stuff with Fanatics

1169
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:16,440
or sports cards. I you know, I'll go around the table.

1170
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,079
I'll go around the horn here first, and then I'll

1171
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:20,360
give my thoughts on it. Alex, what were you know

1172
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,400
if you saw this, what were your kind of initial

1173
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,440
thoughts when they rolled this out?

1174
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was something that everyone probably guess was

1175
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,920
gonna eventually happen, right. You know a lot of people

1176
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,360
use credit cards for in this industry for buying stuff,

1177
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,400
and especially the hobby shops. This these kind of this

1178
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,920
type of program is kind of almost toward geared towards

1179
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,360
the hobby shops more than it is the actual briggers,

1180
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,199
because now they can get this extremely big credit card

1181
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:48,119
that they can gain points and everything else on and

1182
00:53:48,159 --> 00:53:50,519
you know, stuff to come back to their shop or whatever.

1183
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:55,159
But for me, I mean, if it all comes down to, like,

1184
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:57,519
can you budget your own money? Everyone, you know, individuals

1185
00:53:57,559 --> 00:53:59,639
that can get the credit card are an adult like

1186
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:02,840
and in today's world, yes, the gambling aspect and everything

1187
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,480
else is out there and people might not be able

1188
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,960
to manage their money. It's gonna be hard. If you

1189
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,840
know how to do it, it's it's it's fine. Like

1190
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,239
I have an MX card. I actually have two. One

1191
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,599
of them I'm going to close and I'm just gonna

1192
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:16,960
get that one. I'm just pre replacing one card with

1193
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:19,599
the other, and just I'm like, why not use the

1194
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,920
use that for those perks if I'm gonna do it anyways,

1195
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,559
I have one, I have a separate count that I

1196
00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:25,239
do all my card stuff with, and why not just

1197
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:26,960
put it through there and get some points, get some

1198
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,639
perks and stuff. So I do like the fact that

1199
00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:32,280
you know that you can design them to you know,

1200
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,239
have your your your specific card. Any of the TOPS cards,

1201
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:36,559
they're gonna have a whole bunch of logos that you

1202
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:38,480
can put on there. You can get your favorite card,

1203
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,840
you can have this card as your actual credit card.

1204
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,559
That'd be pretty cool, but also can be bad because

1205
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:45,119
then you can also think it's just a base card

1206
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:46,639
and throw it out from.

1207
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,599
Speaker 2: The toss and toss it in a dollar box or something. Yeah, yeah, Lauren,

1208
00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:52,079
same same same question here.

1209
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think Alex because we you know,

1210
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,079
we've all said we discussed it a little bit briefly

1211
00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:59,960
before we got on air, and the Alex made it

1212
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:03,039
good point, an important point with the framing of which

1213
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:04,880
I did not consider. You know, I just saw it

1214
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,960
with like, you know, clear eyes. This was an industry

1215
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:14,480
you know experience for you know, fanatics and tops like

1216
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,400
like Alex said, it was networking. It was, you know,

1217
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,280
a way to engage the business side of it. And

1218
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,199
if you do have a shop, it probably does make

1219
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,719
sense to have this card. When I initially saw it,

1220
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,559
I was looking at it as like any old collector

1221
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:32,320
on the street. That seems not great, But if you are,

1222
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,159
if you are in this business and this is what

1223
00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:37,320
you do. I can understand it working as like your card.

1224
00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:39,440
I think it's a slippery slope when you look at

1225
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:44,199
it outside of that frame. And that's where my initial

1226
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:48,599
knee jerk reaction came from was it's open everybody. You know, everybody,

1227
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,880
you know what. I just I had questions, you know,

1228
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,639
like what's the limit, what's the standard, what's you know whatever.

1229
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,920
But considering it as a business card for like lcs

1230
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:01,679
or you know whatever, I I can see the benefits there.

1231
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,679
That does make sense to me. But like I think

1232
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,599
mad Zity Bruce said it, Yeah, like in college, don't

1233
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:08,280
fall for the free shirt if you said for a

1234
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,280
credit card, like some of the bells and whistles might

1235
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,119
be appealing, but if you're not, like you know Alex said,

1236
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:16,400
if you're not great with managing your money or you're

1237
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,639
you know, you're kind of doing this thinking like oh

1238
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:22,719
I can I can I can you know, be a

1239
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,599
gymnast in the way that I can like validate these

1240
00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:29,280
purchases in this card, Like you can't bend over backwards

1241
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,480
for that stuff. That's a slippery slope, and you know

1242
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:33,480
it can I know, we all you know kind of

1243
00:56:33,639 --> 00:56:36,880
you know, are disparaging about gambling and you know how

1244
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,639
the hobby can be gambling, and it did kind of

1245
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:42,679
feel a little bit like leaning into that aspect. But

1246
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,320
I can I can see now, you know, like it

1247
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,159
can be beneficial I'm sure for businesses, but it depends

1248
00:56:48,159 --> 00:56:50,559
on how they market this. It depends on how they

1249
00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:54,639
approach it and how they you know, yeah, I don't know,

1250
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,559
it's it is just depending on the framing. I mean,

1251
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:00,960
I because now I'm like conflicting about how to address it.

1252
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,639
But you know, it does just depend on how responsible

1253
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:10,159
I guess fanatics feels about marketing this and do they

1254
00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:12,480
want to have the breadth or do they want to

1255
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:15,880
have you know, the focus. So I don't know.

1256
00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: Interesting, yeah, I mean I will say I'll say this,

1257
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,400
do not buy sports cards with a credit card if

1258
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,960
you were not paying the credit card often full at

1259
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,519
the end of the month. I have definitely fallen into

1260
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:36,000
the trap of financial risk where I you know, I

1261
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,320
got I have a card that I'm paying off now

1262
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:41,119
that I got because it was like, oh, You're gonna

1263
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:43,679
get all these points and then in the long run,

1264
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,000
all the points are not worth what you ended up

1265
00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:50,559
paying an interest on the card. So from a business perspective, yes,

1266
00:57:50,639 --> 00:57:52,440
that makes a lot of sense. Like if you're getting

1267
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,800
you know, if you are a business using this card

1268
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,400
and you're getting rewards based on business purchases and there's

1269
00:57:58,599 --> 00:58:02,440
business uh goals that you're using the card for. I

1270
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,320
think it's great if you're a collector who is trying

1271
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,639
to get a free jersey by spending one thousand dollars

1272
00:58:08,719 --> 00:58:11,400
every month, I don't know if that's exactly the right move.

1273
00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:13,199
Speaker 1: I wouldn't, you know.

1274
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna pigeonhole everybody in the sports card industry

1275
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,800
as financially irresponsible. Uh, but you know, it is a like,

1276
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,320
you know, both of you guys are saying, it's as

1277
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,000
very slippery slope. I mean, I think it's very easy

1278
00:58:25,039 --> 00:58:28,480
to see a credit limit of whatever you have and say, oh,

1279
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,760
I'll just you know, i'll buy something here, buy something there,

1280
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,079
and then you get to the end of the month

1281
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:33,880
and you spend a couple thousand dollars you didn't even

1282
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,400
realize it. So it's like, I think it's dangerous for

1283
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,400
people who are not financially responsible. If you are not

1284
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:41,800
a business or you are not someone who pays off

1285
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,559
your credit cards in full. I probably wouldn't suggest buying it.

1286
00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:48,039
I I in my in my opinion, I wouldn't suggest

1287
00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:50,440
buying any type of sports card thing with a credit card,

1288
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:52,960
just because, you know, from my own experience and maybe

1289
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:55,440
maybe my own experience is gonna be different than the others.

1290
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,480
But uh, that's that was sort of my thoughts. And

1291
00:58:57,519 --> 00:58:59,000
I mean, and this was something that we had known

1292
00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:00,960
was coming out for a while. Think they're finally rolling

1293
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,599
it out, so uh, you know, I don't know, maybe

1294
00:59:04,159 --> 00:59:06,320
if my if my Fanatics credit card comes to the

1295
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,920
mail next week, maybe I'll be uh saying a different

1296
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,519
tune on the next episode of Hobby Hot, I'll be like, guys,

1297
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:12,480
you got to use my promo.

1298
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I don't know.

1299
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 2: I think it's if you can manage your money, that's

1300
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,559
great and that's what you you and you can use

1301
00:59:20,599 --> 00:59:22,159
it for that, then you should get it. But like

1302
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,719
if you are irresponsible like myself, don't get it. Like

1303
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,719
that's just that's just my you know, my my thoughts

1304
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,239
on it in general, you know. And wow, I guess

1305
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:32,679
we are kind of coming up on the hour here.

1306
00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:35,719
I didn't even realize how close we were, So I'll

1307
00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:37,920
go back around the horn one more time. Uh, you know,

1308
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,760
give yourself a shad out. Let everybody know where they

1309
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,639
can find you. Let let them know anything you got

1310
00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:44,199
coming up. Alex will start with you. What you got

1311
00:59:44,199 --> 00:59:46,039
going on this week? Anything you want to give a

1312
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:48,360
shout out to shadow get you give yourself the self

1313
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:49,119
promotion you deserve.

1314
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:51,119
Speaker 4: Yep. I'm gonna be everywhere over the next two weeks.

1315
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:54,760
Are ATC twenty two on Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, anywhere you

1316
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,960
see me. I'll be at WrestleMania. I'll be in Vegas.

1317
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,039
I'm flying out Wednesday. I'm gonna there till Monday. I

1318
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:02,239
want to be doing everything ww world and be handing

1319
01:00:02,239 --> 01:00:04,519
out packs. I'm gonna have a great time. Talks about

1320
01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:05,920
a few people. So I'm gonna be having a really

1321
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,239
good time. The week after that NFL Draft eBay Live,

1322
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,119
I'm gonna be doing some stuff with a couple individuals

1323
01:00:12,199 --> 01:00:14,760
during the draft. The actual draft fees are going to

1324
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,079
be coming on stage after they're drafted and doing some

1325
01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:20,679
stuff on eBay Live, So shout out to that. So

1326
01:00:20,719 --> 01:00:23,360
I'm gonna be all over the place having fun and

1327
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:24,719
i can't wait to share.

1328
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 2: The world absolutely, and Lauren, you know, basically the same

1329
01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:28,920
question with you. Let everybody know where they can find

1330
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:31,480
all the amazing content that you're putting out as well.

1331
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, Instagram the main one. I have been on a

1332
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:37,800
bit of a sabbatical, but I am trying to get

1333
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,000
back into hobby. Hotline has kind of been my teather

1334
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:43,400
that I really enjoy and I am I'm trying to

1335
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,840
get back into it and post more and interact more

1336
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,440
and share more because I do love this hobby and

1337
01:00:48,519 --> 01:00:51,480
it is great. We are also heading to Vegas next week,

1338
01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:53,800
so Alex, you'll have to try and avoid me because

1339
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:54,360
I am going to.

1340
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 4: Seek you out.

1341
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's you know, I think we're we're also

1342
01:00:59,719 --> 01:01:04,079
we're heading into you know, spring summertime and National's coming up,

1343
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:06,519
and I think this is a This was a great

1344
01:01:06,519 --> 01:01:09,119
conversation today. I really enjoyed chatting with you guys. The

1345
01:01:09,199 --> 01:01:12,400
chat was great too. And I think that sometimes I

1346
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,199
come on the show and I'm like, oh, this is

1347
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:17,719
a bleak, bleak place, but in general not here, But like,

1348
01:01:18,159 --> 01:01:20,400
this was a really great conversation. I think the Hobby's

1349
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,320
in a good position. I think, you know, the conversations

1350
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,000
happening are great and yeah, I and I. I, you know,

1351
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:29,519
I will scroll on TikTok and I'll randomly hear Adam

1352
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:31,320
Swoytz and I'm like, we're I'll hear from the other

1353
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,480
room and Brian's watching. I'm like, oh, there he is

1354
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,239
or Alex, but usually it's Adam and I'm like, oh,

1355
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,639
Adam's add again. But yeah, I think this is a

1356
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:41,960
I just want to say thanks. Guy's a really good

1357
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,920
show and early time and I love it here.

1358
01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, thank you. Thank you for the

1359
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:49,639
you know, thanks for watching the video. So I appreciate that.

1360
01:01:50,599 --> 01:01:52,360
But yeah, So I mean, for me, I like to

1361
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,760
make sure I end all these shows by you know,

1362
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:56,760
people are gonna come and go in this hobby. There's

1363
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,480
gonna be new people that come into the hobby and

1364
01:01:58,519 --> 01:02:01,320
they're gonna ask questions. You know, people are going to

1365
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:05,559
come into the hobby the same way. Well that's I

1366
01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:06,719
was gonna say that. I was gonna say I was

1367
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:08,840
gonna say that afterwards, but okay, so I'll start We'll

1368
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,679
start with that. So, you know, the the handles there

1369
01:02:11,719 --> 01:02:16,679
on stream the handles there on streamy TikTok YouTube Instagram. Uh, Snapchat,

1370
01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:18,320
I think I don't know. I've kinda been posting some

1371
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,079
videos there. It hasn't really been going very well. But uh, Snapchat, Spotlight,

1372
01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:24,960
but TikTok is kind of the main place, and then Instagram, uh,

1373
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,599
and then also sports cards nonsense.

1374
01:02:26,639 --> 01:02:27,559
Speaker 1: On their YouTube channel.

1375
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:30,599
Speaker 2: I'm doing some video a ton of videos for them.

1376
01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's for the most part.

1377
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 2: Those are all the good place you can find or

1378
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:36,960
all the all the videos that I'm making at least.

1379
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,360
And then he you know here will be back on

1380
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,119
the not me, but someone will be here hosting on

1381
01:02:41,199 --> 01:02:44,199
the four Collectors YouTube channel next week. But yep, like

1382
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:46,639
I said, I always try to end the shows. Uh,

1383
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:53,039
before Alex rudely interrupted me, I'm just kidding. But so everybody,

1384
01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:55,440
you know, people are coming into this industry all the time,

1385
01:02:55,519 --> 01:02:58,079
new people, uh, people who are just getting started, old

1386
01:02:58,119 --> 01:03:00,760
people who are getting back into it. Not old as

1387
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,320
in age, but whatever, it doesn't really matter. They're gonna

1388
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,440
have questions and they're gonna have questions the same way

1389
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,000
that all of us had questions when we first got

1390
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,320
into the industry. So if you can help out a

1391
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,280
new collector with any questions. Just help them, you know,

1392
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,599
answer their question kindly because it's confusing. We all know

1393
01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:18,480
this industry is confusing, so just help out the new collectors.

1394
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:20,880
Help them become a lifelong collector the way that we

1395
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,360
all are lifelong collectors because we all know how fun

1396
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,320
it is and how confusing it can be. So help

1397
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,360
out your fellow collectors. Make sure you are telling them

1398
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,760
to go watch the four Collectors YouTube channel as well

1399
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,119
for Hobby Hotline every single week. And like I said,

1400
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:38,079
we'll be back here Saturday. I guess said, I forget

1401
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:39,960
who exactly who's hosting, but someone else will be hosting.

1402
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:44,320
It'll be a new around the horn worth of guest

1403
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,400
hosts as well. Thank you all for watching, and you

1404
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,559
know we'll come back here next with us next Saturday

1405
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:55,960
and we'll see all on the next one.

1406
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,679
Speaker 4: Thank you for listening to this episode of Hobby Hotline.

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Just to remind everyone, we are a live show every

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Saturday morning, eleven am Eastern eight am Pacific on the

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four Collectors channel on YouTube. That's the number.

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Speaker 3: Four, the word Collector's channel on YouTube.

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Speaker 4: We hope to see many of you live on a

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future Saturday. We have a great interactive chat room and

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we always provide a link for anyone that wants to

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come on the show and chop it up with us.

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So that's a reminder. Every Saturday eleven am Eastern eight

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am Pacific, only four Collectors channel on YouTube. Hope to

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see you on the show.