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Speaker 2: Now to hear Bran. I got a screen going on here, Something.
Speaker 8: To kill with my dog, Something to kill your dog?
Speaker 2: My dog? What playing to here? Over the tree? I
Speaker 2: don't know how I did it? Okay, damn it. I'm
Speaker 2: really confused now. All I thought was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over to Ben and they would have did when you
Speaker 2: hit the girl like that energening cars. All I thought
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over to bend one.
Speaker 9: What are you reporting?
Speaker 2: We got some wonder or something crawling around out here?
Speaker 2: Did you see what it way? I'm out here looking
Speaker 2: to the window now and I don't want to see anything.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go outside. Jesus right back here. Hello,
Speaker 2: hit somebody out here?
Speaker 10: What's going announce their?
Speaker 2: I's thought of a bitch of about text forty nine.
Speaker 11: I don't know easy announce their?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm walking right away.
Speaker 6: Uh I fem don't want to welcome O guest to
Speaker 6: the show. It is Matt from Washington. Welcome to the
Speaker 6: show man, Hi.
Speaker 12: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 6: I've been looking forward to this conversation. Let's get right
Speaker 6: into them. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. What guy
Speaker 6: you interested in the subject to begin with?
Speaker 12: Ever since I was a little small child, I was
Speaker 12: always interested.
Speaker 11: It was in my household growing up in East Texas,
Speaker 11: being a native East Texan right near the Louisiana border.
Speaker 11: My grandfather and my father were really into it, and
Speaker 11: they'd always tell us stories. It wasn't until I was
Speaker 11: in the first grade that I thought it might be
Speaker 11: a possibility for me. Up until that point, it was
Speaker 11: always just a boogieman type story, sale of the woods,
Speaker 11: you know. But going into the library, I seen a
Speaker 11: book and in there there was the picture, the iconic
Speaker 11: picture of Patty where she's turned around looking I'd never
Speaker 11: seen that before. That was a whoa moment for me,
Speaker 11: so I was like, Okay, I've got to know more
Speaker 11: now they started buying any books.
Speaker 12: It just grew from there.
Speaker 11: My dad would take us out places on vacation, sasquatch hotspots,
Speaker 11: bigfoot hotspots, looking for stuff, so it just kind of grew.
Speaker 6: I think Patty is responsible for dragging a ton of
Speaker 6: us into Bigfoot because that iconic frame three p. Fifty
Speaker 6: two that Everybody's from a with draws everybody in. It's
Speaker 6: still one of the most iconic things related to Bigfoot
Speaker 6: that's out there, so I can definitely relate to that.
Speaker 6: For me, it was more I was into the lockness
Speaker 6: monster that sort of pulled me into the world of cryfteds,
Speaker 6: and I had an experience when I was twelve years
Speaker 6: old that really got me interested in the subject. But
Speaker 6: Patty is definitely the one that drags a lot of
Speaker 6: folks in. She drags folks in even to this very day.
Speaker 6: She's been busy since nineteen sixty seven. You started very young,
Speaker 6: you were talking about this with your dad. You're seeing
Speaker 6: the picture of Patty. But when did you actually get
Speaker 6: serious going out in the woods and doing the serious
Speaker 6: research because I know you've been doing that for about
Speaker 6: thirteen years. Let's talk about when you decided to flip
Speaker 6: that switch shift from armchair researcher to boots on the
Speaker 6: ground in the woods looking for these things. What was
Speaker 6: that transition like for you, and talk a little bit
Speaker 6: about what happened once you got out in the woods.
Speaker 11: I saw Finding Bigfoot and then the Monster Quest series,
Speaker 11: and those really inspired me.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 11: I would always sit there and lay on the couch
Speaker 11: for the next big show about Bigfoot.
Speaker 12: I was like, you don't, I'm not a waiter. So
Speaker 12: I was like, I want to go. I got to
Speaker 12: get out there and check it out myself. I want
Speaker 12: to see. So I started doing that. I had a
Speaker 12: really great job.
Speaker 11: I worked for the State of Texas. I had an
Speaker 11: opportunity where I could take a month off at a time.
Speaker 11: We didn't go out, and we would hit these spots.
Speaker 11: We'd go on vacation. I'd have to trick the girls
Speaker 11: and take them to Disneyland, but along the way we
Speaker 11: could see some other stuff. We'd go visit some national
Speaker 11: parks and everything, and nothing really happened. I was looking
Speaker 11: for habitat. I guess that I felt could support something
Speaker 11: like a sasquatch. It wasn't until twenty eighteen here in
Speaker 11: the Olympics. Me and my wife were camping up on
Speaker 11: Lake Crescent and it was our very last night. It
Speaker 11: was actually seven years ago yesterday. It was the typical
Speaker 11: Pacific northwest, misty, dreary type weather. We had just laid
Speaker 11: down and we heard what I can only describe as
Speaker 11: the Ohio how the long call that I've always heard
Speaker 11: on all the videos and everything when you google sasquatch
Speaker 11: or sounds and stuff that pops up. So I was
Speaker 11: just like messing with us, calling us back, saying you
Speaker 11: got to come back again. So in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 11: we had the opportunity to move here, we took it.
Speaker 12: We jumped on it.
Speaker 11: I would go out and I would look, and I
Speaker 11: would find things out there in the forest, deep in
Speaker 11: the bush, just enough to keep you wanting more, what
Speaker 11: I would call circumstantial evidence. I never imagined that it
Speaker 11: would be a visit that my parents met here that
Speaker 11: would change everything for us.
Speaker 12: That's when we started having activity on the property.
Speaker 11: But we assumed it was a bear up until they
Speaker 11: were here and there was no more assuming it was.
Speaker 8: What it was it was really wild.
Speaker 7: Let's definitely get into that. I love wild setting.
Speaker 6: The stage four us about the property, where it's located,
Speaker 6: how much property you guys have, because that's the thing.
Speaker 6: This is an audio podcast and people need that visual
Speaker 6: of understanding what we're talking about here. That's something I say,
Speaker 6: we have forty acres here in North Carolina. I talk
Speaker 6: about forty acres and people are go like, oh man,
Speaker 6: that's a lot of land.
Speaker 2: But it is.
Speaker 6: But there is a ton of property around us that
Speaker 6: surrounds us, so it feels more like we're in the
Speaker 6: middle of six acres. Get into the parents' visit, what
Speaker 6: happened during that and what sort of set all this
Speaker 6: in motion. But before we get there, paint the picture
Speaker 6: for everybody on the property, where it's located, and what
Speaker 6: we're talking about in the area.
Speaker 11: So the property is actually here on the Quinault Indian Reservation,
Speaker 11: and that's on the west coast of the Olympic Peninsula.
Speaker 11: If you were to travel south from here, it would
Speaker 11: take you about forty five minutes to an hour to
Speaker 11: get to a town called Aberdeen.
Speaker 12: That would be the closest town that we have.
Speaker 11: If you travel north, it would take you about an
Speaker 11: hour and a half to get to Forks, Washington. A
Speaker 11: lot of people are familiar with Forks because of the
Speaker 11: Twilight series, so there's really absolutely nothing here. If you
Speaker 11: look at the population, it says there's like one hundred
Speaker 11: and something plus people, but most of those are landowners.
Speaker 11: There's actually just a very small handful of us that
Speaker 11: actually live here a year round on the lake. The summertime,
Speaker 11: it's super packed because of the lake and it's Olympic
Speaker 11: National Park. There's over a million acres of wilderness that's
Speaker 11: around us. The other nine months of the year, when
Speaker 11: it's rainy and dreary, there's nobody. It's just rainforest. It's wet.
Speaker 11: You said, your typical Pacific Northwest weather here, very desolate, gotcha.
Speaker 6: Well, let's get into the parents visit. Let's talk about
Speaker 6: the impetus for all the activity and the things that have.
Speaker 7: Been going on the property.
Speaker 11: My parents and they came to visit. We had just
Speaker 11: moved into this house and it's right on the edge
Speaker 11: of the tree line. There's actually a couple of cabins
Speaker 11: on the property and it's about thirty thirty five acres
Speaker 11: give or take. It's mostly surrounded by forest. The rainforest
Speaker 11: sits right off of one on one on Lake Quinault.
Speaker 11: We had just moved into the house closest to the
Speaker 11: tree line because we needed three bedroom because we had a.
Speaker 8: Baby on the way.
Speaker 11: That very next week after we had moved in here,
Speaker 11: that's when my parents decided to show up in the house.
Speaker 11: We were still working on it. It was still it
Speaker 11: was a big fixer upper project. It had been a
Speaker 11: party house or something for years before we got it,
Speaker 11: so it needed a lot of love. I wouldn't have
Speaker 11: given it so much love if we didn't need it,
Speaker 11: but we needed a play so we took it. Anyways,
Speaker 11: they show up the next week after we've been here.
Speaker 11: That very first night, we were having a good time.
Speaker 12: We were cooking. My stepmommy cooked the seafood gumbo.
Speaker 11: We had all the windows open up here in Washington,
Speaker 11: we don't have a c We had all the windows open,
Speaker 11: so the smells were going out the house and all
Speaker 11: around the Cajun food. And we sat on the porch
Speaker 11: and we just had a good time talking and visiting
Speaker 11: and everything. So we went to bed, and that's when
Speaker 11: things got interesting because we let my parents take our
Speaker 11: bedroom and we had just put a window unit in
Speaker 11: our bedroom, an air conditioning unit in there, so they
Speaker 11: would have a c and it's a little more nicer.
Speaker 12: And we took our.
Speaker 11: Daughter's room at the time. While we were laying there,
Speaker 11: around two o'clock in the morning, my wife wakes me up.
Speaker 11: We got the window open because we don't have AC
Speaker 11: She goes, do you hear that? I said, what are
Speaker 11: you talking? I'm an I'm type person. I'm like when
Speaker 11: I get woke up, I'm grouchy, I'm not very pleasant,
Speaker 11: So like, what are you talking about? She goes, there's
Speaker 11: someone right outside the window. I said, there's lots of
Speaker 11: things right outside of the window. It's a whole rain
Speaker 11: stout there. So I go to lay back down, and
Speaker 11: I heard very clearly, a very distinct whistle. So now
Speaker 11: I'm thinking there's a person out there. This didn't sound
Speaker 11: like a bird. I'm familiar with a lot of bird calls,
Speaker 11: familiar with a lot of wildlife.
Speaker 2: This was not like that.
Speaker 11: So now the lieutenant in me is perked up and
Speaker 11: I'm listening, and then I hear something walking off away
Speaker 11: from the house.
Speaker 12: So I lay there a little bit longer. Nothing I
Speaker 12: doze off, no problem, go back to sleep. I said maybe.
Speaker 11: I'm thinking maybe a drifter or somebody just passing through
Speaker 11: that didn't get catch the next bus in.
Speaker 12: Time, and they're just wandering around out there.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 12: The next morn I get up in my parents. They're
Speaker 12: on the front porch and they are chainsmoking my dad.
Speaker 12: To give you a little background on him, he's been
Speaker 12: in a law enforcement for thirty seven years. He's actually
Speaker 12: the chief police for hometown back home. And I've never
Speaker 12: seen this man disturbed unless it comes to his family.
Speaker 12: Nothing really rattles him. He's pretty solid and I could
Speaker 12: tell someone to bother him. So I asked him how
Speaker 12: was your night? When they so it was a night,
Speaker 12: he said, how is your knight? And I told him
Speaker 12: what had happened and he goes, okay, and he looked
Speaker 12: at my stepmam, and he goes, that was around the
Speaker 12: same time already, it will happened.
Speaker 11: And I said, well, what happened with y'all? And he
Speaker 11: still something walked up to your window unit and I
Speaker 11: started banging on it real hard. He said, real aggressive,
Speaker 11: and I said really, I said, I said, have you
Speaker 11: been over there yet?
Speaker 12: He said, no, I haven't.
Speaker 11: I said, let's walk over there. So me and him
Speaker 11: go to walk over there, and in the grass there
Speaker 11: are these seventeen inch impressions in the grass, one in
Speaker 11: front of the other, coming from the road up along
Speaker 11: the tree line. Now our bedrooms are right on the
Speaker 11: tree line. Yeah, he comes right up to the window unit.
Speaker 11: We actually found the rock that was being used to
Speaker 11: strike the window unit. And then it came around the
Speaker 11: backside of where I mapped behind me now and wandered
Speaker 11: off around the side of the house and then back onto.
Speaker 12: The street again and disappeared. That was really a trip
Speaker 12: for me.
Speaker 11: I'm like, man, I've been going out there looking for
Speaker 11: these things with a knocking that takes dexterity.
Speaker 12: Let pick up a rock. It's not something a bear
Speaker 12: could do. The whistling, and then of course the impressions.
Speaker 11: It was just a very surreal moment that, oh my gosh,
Speaker 11: this thing visited us, came to our property.
Speaker 12: And I think a lot of it has to do
Speaker 12: with what we were doing that night, our activities.
Speaker 6: I want to go back to the whistle and I
Speaker 6: asked this specifically. We could talk a little bit about
Speaker 6: why I'm asking this specifically later on, But what was
Speaker 6: the whistle that you heard initially, because if it didn't
Speaker 6: sound like a bird, was it, Like, Hey, I'm not.
Speaker 7: A very good whistler. I don't know if you're a
Speaker 7: good whistler or not, but I'm.
Speaker 8: Not a good whistler.
Speaker 11: But it's kind of like when you're on the construction
Speaker 11: site and you hear them whistle to get someone's attention.
Speaker 12: That high pitched.
Speaker 11: That's exactly what it sounded like to me, and that's
Speaker 11: what caught my attention. Okay, it was sharp, it was.
Speaker 12: Fast, and it was loud.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Bears definitely don't whistle, and they don't pick up
Speaker 6: rocks and beat on things with rocks. So I'm definitely
Speaker 6: tracking that it wasn't a bear. As far as the
Speaker 6: impress if it's anything like here, I've been out to
Speaker 6: the Pacific Northwest. I've been on the Olympic Peninsula just
Speaker 6: a few months ago, so I'm familiar with the area
Speaker 6: and the substrate and it's similar to what we have
Speaker 6: here in North Carolina and a lot of ways. Obviously,
Speaker 6: if it's moist out, you're going to get better impressions
Speaker 6: and whatnot. But talk a little bit about these impressions
Speaker 6: that you found, these seventeen inch impressions that were in
Speaker 6: the grass. Could you make out that it looked like
Speaker 6: a humanoid footprint?
Speaker 7: Did you have tow definition?
Speaker 11: It had a human shape, but it as far as
Speaker 11: making out toes and that I couldn't really do that
Speaker 11: because this occurred at the end of June, so it's
Speaker 11: pretty dry here. So it was just big flat spots
Speaker 11: in the grass. But they were a human shaped footprints.
Speaker 11: You could say maybe that was a bear, but it
Speaker 11: was the other things that led up and surrounding the event,
Speaker 11: and the fact that they were also they were about
Speaker 11: three three and a half feet apart from each other
Speaker 11: and directly in front of one another, So that wasn't
Speaker 11: really what I'm familiar with when I see bear tracks,
Speaker 11: and I've seen a lot of bear Matter of fact,
Speaker 11: we got a bear running around here right now.
Speaker 7: Have no fear.
Speaker 6: I'll watch your back for you. If anything's coming up,
Speaker 6: I'll yell really loud, unmeet my mind and say watch.
Speaker 13: Now.
Speaker 12: He's a pretty friendly bear. He's scary and when I
Speaker 12: say scary and he's scared of people, he darts off.
Speaker 12: He for the most part don't bother nobody.
Speaker 6: Those are definitely my favorite types of bear. So you
Speaker 6: have this experience, you hear the whistle. Obviously, I'm assuming
Speaker 6: your parents were freaked out that something was beating on
Speaker 6: the window unit and you're finding these seventeen inch footprints
Speaker 6: outside the area. What was the next time you had
Speaker 6: an experience with this thing on your property?
Speaker 12: It was all throughout the week.
Speaker 11: We would spend the evenings outside on the porch and
Speaker 11: just be talking on having a good time. You would
Speaker 11: hear the bullfrogs and other things going off the normal sounds,
Speaker 11: and then occasionally it would just go dead silent. There
Speaker 11: would be nothing, and it was just the creepiest thing.
Speaker 8: Ever.
Speaker 11: I can't say that it's related to big foot. It's
Speaker 11: just something that we noticed that was different going on
Speaker 11: at that time. So that they leave, and then it's
Speaker 11: two nights after they leave our kitchen window. When I
Speaker 11: told you we just moved into this place, we had
Speaker 11: only been in it at that point. Now, after they
Speaker 11: left for about two weeks, so the kitchen window was
Speaker 11: busted out and we were waiting on a new kitchen
Speaker 11: window to come in. But because the house is sold,
Speaker 11: we had a special order. Because they don't make that
Speaker 11: size no more, and it was a fiasco. We ended
Speaker 11: up putting up piece of really thick cardboard from your
Speaker 11: appliances when you buy a new fridge or whatever. We
Speaker 11: just took one of those and just put up over
Speaker 11: the kitchen window. It's around ten o'clock at night of
Speaker 11: going there, and I'm getting a glass.
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Speaker 11: And something is pressing on that cardboard, like not real
Speaker 11: card but just like testing it, checking it out.
Speaker 12: And so I'm watching this cardboard flex in word towards me.
Speaker 12: I'm thinking, how fast can I get to my gun?
Speaker 12: I'll think you cause I'm still at it.
Speaker 11: It's still not clicking that maybe it's sasquatch there I'm
Speaker 11: thinking maybe bare because we've been cooking and stuff too.
Speaker 11: Right there be in the kitchen window. I'm looking and
Speaker 11: I'm watching this to my daughter. She's seven at the time.
Speaker 11: She can running out of her room and she goes,
Speaker 11: I know you're trying to sneak on me. And I
Speaker 11: said do what and she said yeah, She said, you're
Speaker 11: trying to sound You're trying to you're outside my window,
Speaker 11: trying to talk like some kind of zombie choking or something.
Speaker 11: And I said, at that time, I noticed the window
Speaker 11: had stopped moving to whatever was there when she come
Speaker 11: into the kitchen and I said, I'm not messing with you.
Speaker 12: I am getting to drink water. I'm not playing it.
Speaker 12: And she said, yeah, you were outside my window. I said, no,
Speaker 12: I wasn't.
Speaker 11: I've been right here. She stopped for me, and then
Speaker 11: she realized. That's when it occurred to me that there
Speaker 11: had to be two of these things. So next morning
Speaker 11: we go outside and we check around the property and
Speaker 11: around the house. The seventeen inch track and then there's
Speaker 11: a thirteen inch track.
Speaker 12: So I was like, wow, so there was two of
Speaker 12: them here. That night after that, I put up a
Speaker 12: ring camera.
Speaker 11: I set it up on the porch where they've been
Speaker 11: coming and going from, and we actually captured it. I
Speaker 11: can't go too much into that because that's going to
Speaker 11: be televised on network. There's a little NDA thing off camera,
Speaker 11: off the show. I'll tell you about it. But yeah,
Speaker 11: that's when we really realized. We were like, oh wow,
Speaker 11: there it is and it was a very surreal moment.
Speaker 11: And they've just been coming up that. It's not a
Speaker 11: regular thing that they do. I guess you could say
Speaker 11: it's off and on over the last three years that
Speaker 11: they've been coming onto the property. Sometimes you'll come outside
Speaker 11: and you'll just find.
Speaker 12: Like little tracks. You'll find tree brakes.
Speaker 11: Right here behind me, one of these trees is constantly
Speaker 11: getting the limbs just snapped. But it's not really a snap.
Speaker 11: It's more a twist and downward. It's not like an
Speaker 11: actual snap. And we'll find them all along the tree line.
Speaker 11: But they're nowhere else you can go into the woods.
Speaker 11: They're not in the woods. We just actually did a
Speaker 11: little expedition, little exploratory thing because we never really pushed
Speaker 11: far back onto the property because it's so thick.
Speaker 12: So I had the Thomas Sweede with the Sasquatch Island.
Speaker 11: He came down with some of his crew and we
Speaker 11: went back up in there and we actually found a
Speaker 11: whole set of trails that open up back there. It
Speaker 11: just really amazes me at how great of links these
Speaker 11: things go through to really conceal what they're doing. What
Speaker 11: I thought for the longest time was a little bear
Speaker 11: path going into the woods. Once we went through, because
Speaker 11: he darted off in there, he goes, I think this
Speaker 11: is where they're coming in and out at. So we
Speaker 11: go through there, I'm like, this is a bear trail.
Speaker 11: It got just through the other side of it. It's
Speaker 11: a little opening. It opened up into this big trail,
Speaker 11: this big game trail, and then we started finding tracks.
Speaker 11: That was the other exciting thing. We found an area
Speaker 11: where something had been laying down eating on some shin trails.
Speaker 11: That was really super exciting. We just did that this
Speaker 11: past weekend. So now we're going to use one of
Speaker 11: these other houses as a stakeout, set up a little thing,
Speaker 11: and see if we can't maybe catch them coming out
Speaker 11: to visit my house.
Speaker 12: Some pretty exciting stuff happening there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it definitely sounds like it.
Speaker 6: I have to ask, because we've had activity here on
Speaker 6: our land in North Carolina. And it's a little bit unnerving,
Speaker 6: to be honest, some of the vocalizations you mentioned the
Speaker 6: Ohio Howell earlier. That's one of the first things that
Speaker 6: we heard here five years ago when we first got
Speaker 6: onto the property. And it's unnerving to hear that even
Speaker 6: at a distance. We heard it in the distance in
Speaker 6: the beginning, and then here at forty fifty yards into
Speaker 6: the woods here.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 7: I always joked that people they say, Wow, did you
Speaker 7: go out and check it out when you heard that?
Speaker 7: I'm like, no, I didn't. I have no wants or desires.
Speaker 6: To be standing face to face over one of these things,
Speaker 6: especially in the dark, not knowing what it is. Having
Speaker 6: a good idea, but not knowing exactly what you're dealing
Speaker 6: with here. How has that been for you as a
Speaker 6: family man with a wife and a couple of kids.
Speaker 6: That's one of those things that makes me really anxious
Speaker 6: because I document obviously your daughter thought you were outside
Speaker 6: her window messing with Harvey. There's so many stories that
Speaker 6: I hear about these things looking into windows.
Speaker 7: Some people have even claimed men in children and that
Speaker 7: they've taken children and taken people.
Speaker 6: How have you dealt with that outside of your research hat,
Speaker 6: just as a dad does. It unnerve you knowing that
Speaker 6: this is going on where you guys live around your house.
Speaker 11: So in the beginning, it was very unnerving, especially hearing
Speaker 11: working with the native tribes, because I've worked with a
Speaker 11: lot of the indigenous people here on the Peninsula and
Speaker 11: listening to some of their stories. The Quinault have a
Speaker 11: little different take than some of the other ones, but
Speaker 11: some of the other tribes have more of a nefurious
Speaker 11: type characters with these things. The first thing that I
Speaker 11: did initially once I saw the ring was we definitely
Speaker 11: upgraded our security camera. We got the floodlights. We put
Speaker 11: flood lights up all around the house, all over the property.
Speaker 11: Actually there's some sections of the property that I have
Speaker 11: left free and clear of the floodlights, just because I
Speaker 11: want them to know that, hey, you can have that, but.
Speaker 12: This over here is mine. Like I said, in the beginning,
Speaker 12: it was really unnerving.
Speaker 11: But as time has gone on, I think that if
Speaker 11: these things really wanted to do harm, obviously I'm not
Speaker 11: going to stop them, especially after seeing what I've seen.
Speaker 11: Actually had a sighting and up close sighting back in
Speaker 11: February driving on one oh one on the back side
Speaker 11: of the property. I think it was trying to cross
Speaker 11: over and go up to a mountain range on the
Speaker 11: other side, headed down towards the coast.
Speaker 12: Seeing what I saw.
Speaker 11: If it wants in the house, there's not a lot
Speaker 11: that I can do to stop it, even with the
Speaker 11: gun that I have. You would have to have something
Speaker 11: like a thirty six, I think, to really stop that
Speaker 11: thing if it really wanted to get you. Like I
Speaker 11: said it, in the beginning, it was scary, but now
Speaker 11: it's kind of like calming, If that makes sense.
Speaker 6: I'd understand it, because when you have things going on,
Speaker 6: not constantly, but enough, you can get used to it
Speaker 6: in a way. It's just one of those things that's there.
Speaker 6: I'm always aware of it when I'm out in the woods.
Speaker 6: I never just let my guard down when I'm out
Speaker 6: walking the dogs or whatever. I'm always head on a
Speaker 6: swivel kind of thing. Let's talk a little bit about
Speaker 6: the siding that you had while you were driving. Could
Speaker 6: you take us back to what you were doing and
Speaker 6: tell us what happened during that siding and what you saw.
Speaker 11: Yet it was ten o'clock in the morning, which really
Speaker 11: surprised me. For the time of day, it was clear
Speaker 11: to clear skies.
Speaker 12: Nothing.
Speaker 11: I think there was a little bit of snow melt
Speaker 11: because we just had some snow. It doesn't really stick
Speaker 11: here a whole lot, like people would think about Washington,
Speaker 11: but here on the Olympics, if you're up in the
Speaker 11: higher elevations, it will be down where we live. It's
Speaker 11: here today and then gone tomorrow. I was just headed
Speaker 11: to the store to get some sausage. There's a little
Speaker 11: corner store up the road from us, a little mercantile.
Speaker 11: I was just headed up there, and I got just
Speaker 11: past the school on the right, on the back side
Speaker 11: of our property that comes up to one on one,
Speaker 11: there was just a group of older trees.
Speaker 12: I noticed the because they were at that time of year.
Speaker 12: They're just bear.
Speaker 11: There's nothing there. I saw, just stand then, just stiff
Speaker 11: as could be, very statueisque. It was a cinnamon, an
Speaker 11: ashy cinnamon color. What I saw did not quite look
Speaker 11: like what people described when they like, you see Patty
Speaker 11: and you got the big conical, the sagittal crests and
Speaker 11: the big muscu lyrically they talk about being ripped. I
Speaker 11: didn't see all that. What I saw looked at like
Speaker 11: an oversized chimpanzee to me, but with a human face.
Speaker 11: It had a very human face. The scalp of it
Speaker 11: just a little bit of a dung. Even the upper
Speaker 11: body for the main body, the center mass was just flat.
Speaker 11: Wasn't ripped eight pack six pack or no big gut
Speaker 11: hanging like the Paul Freeman video. It was just very
Speaker 11: slim and lean looking. But what I do remember most
Speaker 11: about it though, was that the legs. The legs were
Speaker 11: really super thick, almost misproportioned, and I'm not sure that
Speaker 11: was so much from the hair. The way the hair
Speaker 11: was on it that caused it to look like that
Speaker 11: being thicker maybe down there since they're moving through the brush,
Speaker 11: but that's what it looked like to me. But the
Speaker 11: nose is what stands out the most to me because
Speaker 11: it was very It was like a broad nose, but flared.
Speaker 11: It wasn't like a gorilla and not like a chimp,
Speaker 11: not a flat I mean, it was like human and
Speaker 11: it had very little hair around the eyes and the
Speaker 11: mouth and the nose part.
Speaker 12: The lips were very flat.
Speaker 11: I'm not sure if it was pressing them together because
Speaker 11: I was there The whole thing lasted maybe ten fifteen seconds.
Speaker 12: They said, I was driving and I just looked over.
Speaker 12: I was like, oh, there's the thing.
Speaker 13: Man.
Speaker 14: I got to the store, I called.
Speaker 12: I said, you're not gonna believe what I saw.
Speaker 11: I remember the skin being a milky gray color. It
Speaker 11: wasn't black like a gorilla's can like a chimp, so
Speaker 11: it was more of a milky gray.
Speaker 6: Let's talk a little bit about your approach to the
Speaker 6: research end of these things, because there is obviously this
Speaker 6: divide that comes up in the community between the high
Speaker 6: strangeness flesh and blood the APOR community. I certainly have
Speaker 6: planted my flag pretty much dead center in I believe
Speaker 6: these things are some sort of relic tomanoid. I think
Speaker 6: they're upright walking. I don't think they're necessarily an ape.
Speaker 6: I think there's something very similar to us. But where
Speaker 6: are you as far as your research is concerned. You
Speaker 6: mentioned earlier working a lot with the Native American tribes
Speaker 6: in the area. They in some cases tend to have
Speaker 6: As you pointed out earlier, you talk to different tribes,
Speaker 6: even sometimes at different members of the same tribe, and
Speaker 6: they'll have different interpretations of these creatures. Sometimes they are
Speaker 6: very animalistic. Sometimes they're very flesh and blood. Sometimes they're
Speaker 6: very spiritual, and they're seen more as a spiritual sort
Speaker 6: of a land spirit, if you will, Where are you
Speaker 6: and how do you approach this as far as your
Speaker 6: research is concerned into the subject, based on what you've
Speaker 6: seen and experienced and heard and talk talk to these
Speaker 6: Native American tribes? Where are you on the research? Are
Speaker 6: you more of a flesh and blood researcher? Are you
Speaker 6: looking at both sides of this? Where are you on
Speaker 6: the flesh and blood versus the highest strange ess?
Speaker 12: So I definitely believe that it's flesh and blood. I
Speaker 12: haven't seen anything that would suggest otherwise.
Speaker 11: We've got footprints, we've got audio, we've got eyewitness testimonies.
Speaker 11: We've got in some cases I haven't been able to
Speaker 11: look at it myself, but hair samples, I'm told there's
Speaker 11: things that are left smudges.
Speaker 12: And handprints and stuff like that on the glass.
Speaker 11: So I'm definitely the flesh and blood type, and I
Speaker 11: believe that it's probably something that's going to be really
Speaker 11: close between human and our primate. That's just from what
Speaker 11: I've seen, But a lot of the indigenous tribes here
Speaker 11: on the Olympic Peninsula. They definitely believe that they are
Speaker 11: a type of force people like their own tribe, that
Speaker 11: they are people. It's hard to grasp for some people
Speaker 11: that look at this thing and say, no, it's got
Speaker 11: to be an animal. But when you get out there
Speaker 11: in the field and see some of the things that
Speaker 11: I've seen, see the link that these things go through
Speaker 11: can conceal themselves from us when they get close to
Speaker 11: urban areas, not so much out there in the bush,
Speaker 11: but close to urban areas or populated areas. That level
Speaker 11: of awareness that they have, I've seen where they will
Speaker 11: go to step on something that's soft and then step
Speaker 11: off of it and continue on hard substraight instead of
Speaker 11: going on the soft substraight. Or they'll go around certain
Speaker 11: things to avoid maybe a camera or something. So just
Speaker 11: that level of awareness definitely makes you feel like you're
Speaker 11: dealing with a person. Some of the native tribes here
Speaker 11: step on and believe in the more spiritual route that
Speaker 11: they come and go these protectors, and that you're blessed
Speaker 11: if you have encounters with them, that they've chosen you.
Speaker 11: You're a chosen person for whatever reason. Nobody knows, but yeah,
Speaker 11: for me, research and my eyewitnesses that I've spoke to.
Speaker 11: For now, I'm sticking to flesh and blood, something maybe
Speaker 11: a cross between humanity.
Speaker 6: Let's talk about that, because I was That's one of
Speaker 6: the other questions I was going to get into and
Speaker 6: ask you about, because this is something that's interesting to me.
Speaker 6: You mentioned it with the Native American and the indigenous
Speaker 6: people believing that these things somehow choose people to show
Speaker 6: themselves too. That's something that's very interesting to me. I
Speaker 6: have had experiences very much like you. I'm under an
Speaker 6: nda that I really can't talk about my experiences that
Speaker 6: I had out in the PNW just a couple of
Speaker 6: months back that I'm dying to share with people that
Speaker 6: I just can't. But having those kind of experiences, there
Speaker 6: are people that have been in this for fifty years plus.
Speaker 7: Peter Burn comes to mind.
Speaker 6: I think I was probably the last person to interview
Speaker 6: Peter before he passed away just a couple of years ago,
Speaker 6: and he had never so much as even found a
Speaker 6: footprint of one of these things after.
Speaker 7: Fifty sixty years in the woods. Yet you got them
Speaker 7: coming up to your house.
Speaker 11: It's funny that you mentioned it because I looked at
Speaker 11: a lot of his research. I've looked at a lot
Speaker 11: of what the Four Horsemen John green Krantz. I looked
Speaker 11: at all of them and what they've done, and I've
Speaker 11: tried to take what they've done and learn from it
Speaker 11: and then try to maybe go a different approach. But
Speaker 11: Peter Burn, one of the things that I heard him
Speaker 11: say once was that he said, these people that have
Speaker 11: these reoccurring things, I don't believe that you'd be lucky
Speaker 11: if you see one, because I haven't seen you talked
Speaker 11: about his footprint thing.
Speaker 12: So I heard that, and I used to be on
Speaker 12: the same boat with him.
Speaker 11: I would hear these podcasts and these shows where these
Speaker 11: people had similar experiences to like what we're having.
Speaker 12: I say out, they're crazy, man, they're out there doors helping.
Speaker 11: And what I think it is, I think that, especially
Speaker 11: in my research, there are a lot of You've been
Speaker 11: out here on the Olympic Peninsula, so you know that
Speaker 11: the communities are very isolated and very small like where
Speaker 11: I live, and they're distant.
Speaker 12: There's some distance between him twenty thirty miles.
Speaker 11: You go up the road, you've got a place called Queats,
Speaker 11: and they have very similar experiences. Once you get to
Speaker 11: talking to these people. I'm not the only one that's
Speaker 11: having the same experience. My neighbors have similar experiences that
Speaker 11: we do, so we're not the only ones in the neighborhood.
Speaker 11: It's not like they just came to us and we're
Speaker 11: super special. I'm finding that in these small rural areas,
Speaker 11: it's it's a common theme.
Speaker 12: And what I believe is happening is I believe that.
Speaker 11: These Sasquatches have adapted to living next to us, like
Speaker 11: what we saw during COVID with a lot of wildlife.
Speaker 12: They moved in closer to the cities and.
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Speaker 12: Because they learned that they could get resources easier.
Speaker 11: That was observed and a lot of places throughout the
Speaker 11: world during COVID know something that people never really paid
Speaker 11: attention to because we're just.
Speaker 12: Going going all the time. I think that they've been here.
Speaker 11: I don't think that we're doing anything special. I think
Speaker 11: it's that we're just attracting them more. I think they're
Speaker 11: staying away from the large areas. I think they go
Speaker 11: out into the bush to do their thing, maybe may breed, reproduce,
Speaker 11: and then that for the most part, they come back
Speaker 11: in when the tourists leave. I think for the most part,
Speaker 11: when the tourists leave, they come back in and they
Speaker 11: hang out and they learn. They'll eat their shellfish and
Speaker 11: their salmon stuff out of the river, but when that
Speaker 11: stuff gets low, they'll go, Okay, let's go raid the
Speaker 11: trash can and let's go see what's what's going on.
Speaker 11: Because I've actually found trash cans where bags were completely
Speaker 11: taken can and almost untied, not to apart like the
Speaker 11: way of bearwood or a raccoon or anything like that.
Speaker 11: But you know, a lot of people don't think twice
Speaker 11: about it. They just grab it, throw it back in.
Speaker 11: You know, some dog got into it or something. Until
Speaker 11: you look at it a little closer than you go. Well,
Speaker 11: any minute that's you know, that's odd how that was
Speaker 11: all just placed there. So I Mills Skahan. I think
Speaker 11: he said one time that you don't find them, they
Speaker 11: find you, and I think he's absolutely right. I don't
Speaker 11: think it's that they're particularly drawn to any one person,
Speaker 11: They're just drawn to human activity in general.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I definitely think you're right.
Speaker 6: When I first got into this, I've talked about it
Speaker 6: so many times on the podcast and as a guest
Speaker 6: on other shows in the past. I used to think
Speaker 6: that these things are primarily in the Pacific Northwest, and
Speaker 6: I thought you had to be twenty miles deep in
Speaker 6: the woods to have some sort of experience.
Speaker 7: But that is not the case.
Speaker 6: It's been more and more very much like our situation here.
Speaker 6: We are on an edge that has been cut into
Speaker 6: the wilderness, where I have neighbors that are nearby, about
Speaker 6: a mile away up the road. We have our forty
Speaker 6: acres here that we have placed a house on, We've
Speaker 6: got a well, we've got power, and then we start
Speaker 6: having this activity. We didn't have this activity for the
Speaker 6: first couple of years that we owned the property. We
Speaker 6: came up here, we lived off grid for almost a
Speaker 6: year and a half before we had a well before
Speaker 6: we had power. Then once all of that stuff happened,
Speaker 6: we started having the activity.
Speaker 8: So it's really.
Speaker 6: Strange to me that it appears like you very much
Speaker 6: like you said, it may not be strange at all.
Speaker 6: I guess it's just simply the human activity that draws
Speaker 6: these things in. And you don't have to be eighteen
Speaker 6: miles deep in the woods to have an experience I've
Speaker 6: had that. I was out on expedition with Todd's Standing
Speaker 6: last year up in Radium last October, just a little
Speaker 6: over a year ago, and had experience is there that
Speaker 6: I can't explain. I didn't see one, but I had
Speaker 6: that experience out in the Pacific Northwest just a couple
Speaker 6: of months ago. We weren't miles deep in the woods.
Speaker 6: We were in an area that would be considered very rule,
Speaker 6: but we were on an edge. There was a pretty
Speaker 6: major road just a couple of miles away from where
Speaker 6: we were, and yet we had all this activity, the
Speaker 6: whistles and all the things that happened there. It's just
Speaker 6: fascinating to me that it seems these things are coming
Speaker 6: more and more into areas. I've interviewed people who have
Speaker 6: literally lived in a cul de sac in a pretty
Speaker 6: residential area that backs up to the woods, and these
Speaker 6: things seem to be coming in and investigating. People are
Speaker 6: having these experiences. So I think it's fascinating that you
Speaker 6: don't have to be twenty miles deep in the woods
Speaker 6: to have an experience. I'm not saying everybody who lives
Speaker 6: in a cul de sac with a bunch of houses
Speaker 6: around you just going to have big here. That's probably
Speaker 6: more rare than you would hope for some people would hope.
Speaker 6: Let me ask you this, as far as your research
Speaker 6: is concerned. You've had these experiences, You've seen one of
Speaker 6: these things, You've captured it sounds like obviously we can't
Speaker 6: get into it deepen the weeds on it, but it
Speaker 6: sounds like you've captured on video and or a still
Speaker 6: photograph of one. You've had footprints all this event and
Speaker 6: it's similar to me and some of the experiences I've
Speaker 6: had as well. What drives you to continue your research?
Speaker 6: Are you all about proving that these things are real
Speaker 6: to other people? Are you wanting them proven by science?
Speaker 6: Do you want to have more experiences? What's driving you
Speaker 6: now personally to keep getting up every day going into
Speaker 6: the bigfoot rabbit hole looking for these things and doing
Speaker 6: the research that you're doing.
Speaker 12: I think for me personally, it's just my own curiosity,
Speaker 12: my wanting to know.
Speaker 8: I want to know more.
Speaker 12: I want to know what these things are doing when
Speaker 12: they're not around us. I want to know what they are.
Speaker 12: Is it private, is it across?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 12: For me? That's what keeps me going. I really haven't
Speaker 12: really shared a lot of my.
Speaker 11: Stuff over the past couple of years until recently when
Speaker 11: started getting a lot of stuff, and then I had
Speaker 11: a lot of support people linking, Oh, you need to
Speaker 11: get this out there, you need to share this with folks.
Speaker 11: So now that I'm sharing it with people, it's just
Speaker 11: blowed up on me even more so. I'm hearing other
Speaker 11: people's stories. I'm getting a lot more eyewitnesses coming forward
Speaker 11: and talking to me about it. So it's really helping
Speaker 11: me to build a pattern or establish a pattern of
Speaker 11: behaviors with this thing, with this phenomenon. So I think
Speaker 11: for me, it's just personal curiosity. Like if we're able
Speaker 11: to prove it, that's great. If not, it's just something
Speaker 11: I'm enjually doing.
Speaker 6: Let's talk a little bit about some of the things
Speaker 6: that people have told you. Are there any stories that
Speaker 6: people have shared, maybe one that has stuck out to you,
Speaker 6: maybe it's just because it's closer to home, or just
Speaker 6: in general that you found very interesting that people have
Speaker 6: shared with you over the last couple of years.
Speaker 12: Oh man, there's so many that come to mind.
Speaker 11: There is one really interesting one, and it just happened
Speaker 11: not too long ago that I interviewed the eyewitness and
Speaker 11: we're actually going to go up to the site here soon.
Speaker 12: Him and his buddies had went up to a lake
Speaker 12: not far from here. This was in the middle of winter.
Speaker 11: He said when they were going up there, he said,
Speaker 11: they've seen elk and stuff like that before up there.
Speaker 11: They didn't see nothing this time. They didn't see any
Speaker 11: signs of anything.
Speaker 12: So they thought that was a little odd. But they
Speaker 12: still going up to just the party and have a
Speaker 12: good time.
Speaker 11: Right, They get up there and they set out some
Speaker 11: crawfish traps in the middle of the lake, and around
Speaker 11: midnight they get this bright idea.
Speaker 12: They've been drinking a little bit and they get this
Speaker 12: bright idea.
Speaker 11: They're going to get into the boat and go out
Speaker 11: there and get these traps and bring them in and
Speaker 11: cook them.
Speaker 12: So they get in the canoe and they get in
Speaker 12: the middle of this lake and.
Speaker 11: They said, that's when all hill broke. They said, they
Speaker 11: were feeling good, but they weren't drunk. He said, that's
Speaker 11: when all hill broke was he said, and this thing
Speaker 11: just came and he was just crashing through the trees.
Speaker 12: They said.
Speaker 11: It took a small tree and chrunked it into the
Speaker 11: lake towards our canoe through a couple of boulders, and
Speaker 11: was screaming and just stomping, just carrying on. So they
Speaker 11: got their traps and he said, our traps were just
Speaker 11: loaded down. He said, we turn around, we hide tiled
Speaker 11: it back. But where they were at, the lake that
Speaker 11: they were at is extremely difficult to get to, and
Speaker 11: in the daylight you got to go over some pretty
Speaker 11: sketchy switchbacks mountain ridges.
Speaker 12: So they were more scared to try to get out
Speaker 12: of there at nighttime.
Speaker 11: So they decided they would just stay there, and all
Speaker 11: night long they could hear this thing going around their tent,
Speaker 11: just tearing up stuff. They come out the next morning.
Speaker 11: Of course, everything looked like a hurricane outside. Tree lying snapped,
Speaker 11: the big old footprints and they've never been back since
Speaker 11: he was too scared to go back.
Speaker 12: So that was pretty cool, I thought, And that was
Speaker 12: just not too long ago.
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Speaker 6: over in the United Kingdom next year at the Cryptid
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Speaker 6: Do you have anything coming up between now and then
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Speaker 7: Very cool stuff.
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