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<v Speaker 1>So, God, did you know that Marg Simpson is dead? What?

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<v Speaker 2>I hope we videoed that because I was pretty proud

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<v Speaker 2>of that double day. But I'm legitimately surprised Marg Simpson

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<v Speaker 2>is dead. Does that mean the sense isn't going to happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Now? I know? Why would you kill off this main character?

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<v Speaker 1>People are shocked. People can't believe. Why would you do this?

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<v Speaker 2>Why would you often you know Bart and Lisa and May?

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<v Speaker 2>Why would you make home are a widower? Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>this is going to change the fabric of the show

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<v Speaker 2>moving forward. Oh wait a minute, No, it's in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but don't worry.

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<v Speaker 3>When you finally click on that clickbait title, you realize

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<v Speaker 3>she died in a fast forward future.

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<v Speaker 2>What's a feature flash forward?

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<v Speaker 1>Last Ford episode? Be gause, you can call it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's not actually dead. She died in that those episodes.

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<v Speaker 3>She no Cannon? What no episodes of Cannon in season

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<v Speaker 3>thirty six?

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they really? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>They've established something that happens way, way, way in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had so many future episodes now they're all different.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the thing. I'm pretty sure that Marge Simpson lived

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<v Speaker 2>a long and happy life. Before she passed away and

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<v Speaker 2>now she's having heaven making out with Ringo Star. I

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<v Speaker 2>caught it spoilers.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, it's actually a really lovely episode. I watched it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a Stranger Things is the episode, so it's the

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<v Speaker 3>finale season things called it A Stranger Things, right.

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<v Speaker 2>A Stranger Things, not as in A strange.

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<v Speaker 3>A Stranger Yeah, where Button Lisa outgrow itchy and scratchy,

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<v Speaker 3>and Marge borrows that she's losing her kids. They're growing

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<v Speaker 3>up blah blah blah, and then it flashed forward to

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<v Speaker 3>the future. Marge is no longer with us, and we

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<v Speaker 3>see how the Simpsons family dynamic works without having the

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<v Speaker 3>cornerstone there, March Simpson.

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<v Speaker 2>Good story, that's a pretty good idea.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a good idea, yeah, except what happens a

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<v Speaker 3>month later after it originally airs. One news website runs

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<v Speaker 3>with it, saying let's get a clickbait title out of this,

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<v Speaker 3>and then everyone goes lad Buble goes, well, they're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>do it. I'm gonna do it. Nine of percent they're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna do it. I'm gonna do it, And then you

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<v Speaker 3>just see all these variations on trying to say they

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<v Speaker 3>killed off a main character, but they're actually saying she's dead. No,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's just ridiculous, to the point where al Geene

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<v Speaker 3>has had to come out on Twitter and say just

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<v Speaker 3>say no, guys, she's not actually dead. But I brought

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<v Speaker 3>this up to you off the air. I wonder how

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<v Speaker 3>the Simpsons showrunners and writers feel knowing that realistically, in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty five, the only time you ever see the

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<v Speaker 3>Simpsons covered in major news cycles now is if they

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<v Speaker 3>can get a clickbait title out of it, or if

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<v Speaker 3>they predict something from the future.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've talked about this fairly recently about how

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<v Speaker 2>the traditional publicity cycle is pretty much put. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>still exists to some degree, but it has to be

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<v Speaker 2>augmented in a whole lot of different ways. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it used to be say, I'm Timothy Shalamaye. It's easy

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<v Speaker 2>because you know we look so similar. Sorry, and I've

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<v Speaker 2>got Dune three coming out, ok yeah. And it used

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<v Speaker 2>to be the case is like, okay, well, I'll do

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<v Speaker 2>a long form interview with Vanity Fair and I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>on the cover of that. I'll do a day of

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<v Speaker 2>press junkets with people from all around the world. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>appear on the late night talk show and maybe one

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<v Speaker 2>or two other things that. Now it's like, I gotta

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<v Speaker 2>go do hot ones. Oh you've got to catch me

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<v Speaker 2>ring sided the latest MMA fight. Yeah, I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 2>that the canon is going to take out the Castle. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the nicknames of two MMA fighters who don't exist.

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<v Speaker 3>Pierce Brosen and can't just go on a talk show

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<v Speaker 3>and talk now he has to play Golden and I

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<v Speaker 3>sixty four.

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<v Speaker 2>There's all that. Yeah, they send me a link to

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<v Speaker 2>a friend of the pod, Jimmy Fallons the other day

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<v Speaker 2>where yeah, Pierce brosn is playing Golden.

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<v Speaker 3>It's probably an old clip, I don't know, But what

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<v Speaker 3>is this? And when it sounds like this is my

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<v Speaker 3>favorite thing ever, I'm like, dude, you're fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>You won't playing this game. You're a layer man, never

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<v Speaker 1>played gold nineties life.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, the whole publicity circuit has changed completely. And also, yeah, look,

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<v Speaker 2>there are so many more outlets. Some of them rebul

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of them just sort of startups, and everyone

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<v Speaker 2>wants to get eyes on the thing to make a

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<v Speaker 2>tiny little slice of an ever diminishing budgetary pie.

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<v Speaker 3>But is any publicity good publicity? I think I think

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<v Speaker 3>as a Simpsons writer now or show runner in twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five, shows me to go for thirty six years.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to think, as long as people are talking

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<v Speaker 3>about it, we're still going to be on the air.

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<v Speaker 3>If no one care. You can't imagine they wrote this

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<v Speaker 3>episode right, and their mentality is because it's not what

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<v Speaker 3>they wrote this to be clickbait title. They didn't kill

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<v Speaker 3>mar Joff in this episode, so people go, they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be so shocked.

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<v Speaker 2>You're talking about the makes of the Simpsons. I wrote

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<v Speaker 2>this as a publicity stunt or anything like that. It

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<v Speaker 2>sounds based on what you're saying that it's actually a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty sensitive exploration of what it's like when a when

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<v Speaker 2>the mother's cornerstone, a member of the family is gone,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's the family is never the same, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a hard the relationships they sort of they drift

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<v Speaker 2>apart and whatnot. But it's it's a really great finale

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<v Speaker 2>for season thirty six. The show itself is just really improved.

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<v Speaker 2>It's getting so much better in recent years. But I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like if you asked Matt Salmon or l Jean, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>what are your thoughts on the fact that these websites

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<v Speaker 2>are now running with this or going with this, they're

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<v Speaker 2>probably go well, I guess at least they're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>I can only imagine it must annoy them.

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<v Speaker 3>Slightly though that this ad a month ago and no

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<v Speaker 3>one talked about the episode when it came out, and

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<v Speaker 3>then because just one website ran with it and then

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<v Speaker 3>everyone else ran with it, They're never gonna come out

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<v Speaker 3>and do some bit of damage control damage.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, absolutely, yeah. I mean the reason we're talking well,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the reasons we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>This, we got bombarded with all these emails and people saying,

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<v Speaker 3>can you believe Marge's dead?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you gonna do? Wach, She's not dead. Watched

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<v Speaker 1>the episode? No, no one's watching the episode. They're reading

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<v Speaker 1>the articles. Watch the episode. That's the thing that's the

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<v Speaker 1>problem too. Matt, Salmon and Algie must be sitting there going, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you watch the episode, you know this isn't true.

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<v Speaker 1>And it goes to show that so many people are

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<v Speaker 1>reading these articles. But what percentage of these people reading

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<v Speaker 1>the articles are actually watching The Simpsons? Oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where the reality of their situation comes to light,

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<v Speaker 1>where it goes ah, well, you know what people are

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<v Speaker 1>believe in this and buying into it because they're not

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<v Speaker 1>watching it if they. I saw the headline, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I watch the episode, that's not what happens at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Because so many people are buying it, it sort of puts

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<v Speaker 1>into the light not as many people watching The Simpsons anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, well we're living in recap culture. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, everyone is so time poor there these days.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, unless it really is for you, appointment television

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<v Speaker 2>or appointment viewing of any kinds, like we've all done

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<v Speaker 2>into Homer where he says, yeah, give me the gist.

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<v Speaker 3>And season thirty six, As I said, the episode is

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<v Speaker 3>a Stranger Things. It's the finale of season thirty six,

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<v Speaker 3>the eighteenth episode. I think any eighteen episodes this season

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<v Speaker 3>due to the strike, well worth watching, really good story.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe sad.

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<v Speaker 3>I think being a parent also hits her because it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my god, my kids are growing up. They don't

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<v Speaker 3>like this show they liked and the Little Kids and more,

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<v Speaker 3>they're two grown up for it now. And it's like

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<v Speaker 3>the concern that March has in the episode, it's necessarily

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<v Speaker 3>that they're growing up. It's that they're growing apart because

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<v Speaker 3>that was the show that they would watch together, and

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<v Speaker 3>because they don't like it anymore, they get different interests.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's where she goes, Oh, my family's drifting.

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<v Speaker 2>Get a bit fregnant.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we've go to the future.

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<v Speaker 3>We find it that March has passed away, and we

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<v Speaker 3>said that their relationship still hasn't recovered. They've drifted apart.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't dislike each other, they've just drifted apart. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's a beautiful story.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and it also sounds kind of smart in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of way. I mean, hopefully it's not. Oh isn't

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<v Speaker 2>it terrible when you know, paths diverged like that. That's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a natural. I imagine that you and your sister,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got, you know, you love each other, but you've

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot of stuff as like, oh, she's off

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<v Speaker 2>doing that shit. Yeah yeah, and she's probably Brendan's doing

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<v Speaker 2>his thing. Yeah yeah. It doesn't mean you don't love

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<v Speaker 2>each other or care about or even have an interest

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<v Speaker 2>or respect for what each other is doing. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just not my thing, so you're not in each

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<v Speaker 2>other's pockets all the time. I Holy yeah, Look, I

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<v Speaker 2>say all this having not watch the episode. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to go home and watch it now. Yeah, after we

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<v Speaker 2>record our episodes of what we're about.

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<v Speaker 1>To talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>But Mark Simpson not dead, March Simpson not dead. And

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, yeah, I'm going to read a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit from entertainment trade paper Variety, Matt selm was interviewed

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<v Speaker 2>the official word from Simpsons executive producer Matt Selman, friend

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<v Speaker 2>of the pod, actual friend of Dando, who confirms it

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<v Speaker 2>what happened in the recent season finale of the series

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<v Speaker 2>is not canon. That's because after seven hundred and ninety episodes, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>there is no canon, he told Variety.

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<v Speaker 3>He's convinced me. See that's now my mentality. I literally

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<v Speaker 3>said that at the start of this, when we're doing this,

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<v Speaker 3>it's Cannon doesn't exist anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Simpsons doesn't even have canon.

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<v Speaker 3>No, how can I have canon off for thirty six seasons,

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<v Speaker 3>you'll be familiar, But.

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<v Speaker 1>Canon's just gone.

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<v Speaker 3>Canon was the first nine or ten seasons and then

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<v Speaker 3>it evolved and Canad just isn't the thing anyway. You

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<v Speaker 3>can't rely on cannon.

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<v Speaker 2>You would drive yourself and saying, I think when you're

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<v Speaker 2>coming up on eight hundred episodes. Yeah, you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>off ramps and tangents and all that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's got its foundation of like this, this

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<v Speaker 2>is about a family in a town and their community.

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<v Speaker 2>But beyond that's like, no, let's go into the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go into the past, let's go into alternate dimensions.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's you know, let's multiverse this, bitch.

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<v Speaker 3>I think if you rely on canon, you are limiting

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<v Speaker 3>your creative possibilities. I think if every show lives in

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<v Speaker 3>its own vacuum, still maintain the substance of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got to have internal logic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but if every show lives in its own bubble,

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<v Speaker 3>then you can just be fun and be creative with

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<v Speaker 3>I've always enjoyed the episodes where they go what we

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<v Speaker 3>format bending episodes. We used to refer to them as

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<v Speaker 3>like Trilogy of Error and twenty two short films about Springfield,

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<v Speaker 3>those kind of things. They're really really entertaining. They do

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<v Speaker 3>a lot more of them in recent seasons. Season thirty six,

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<v Speaker 3>A Stranger Things, check it out, March is not dead,

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<v Speaker 3>Marge very much still a line.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let's go and.

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<v Speaker 3>Record our reviews of Bob's pods and town's future on

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<v Speaker 3>for our Patreon.

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<v Speaker 1>Shall we? Let's do that, Let's do it.