Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Alien Retrospective,
this time Alien versus Predator requiem. I'm the clown Prince
of Trust Trust No, I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I'm the can't see shit kirkln Patzer. I'm the sausage
lover Dylan Muss.
Speaker 3: I'm the abomination Taylor Field.
Speaker 1: Between Dylan's line and Taylor's nickname, like that is almost
Gonda sum up some thoughts like gout of this movie,
but here we are. You should go back last week.
I doubt you're listening to a VP two instead of
just the first one this one, but you should definitely
go back because last week was a contested episode on
many things, but a fun cast nonethelast. This is the
uh is it for the alien movies that take place
in the in the nothing odd? I guess just the
two thousands after this next week. If you're on Patreon,
you could have got this already weeks ago. And when
you're listening this to you begin this, you get them
both right now. Uh. Prometheus and Covenant is next for
the movie side, so that's gonna be ending us off.
And then if you're listening to these and you go Hey,
what do you think about Predator? Just look, I think
they're still in the feed for that, if not joined Patron,
because everything's there so you can go do that. But
we did all those and then the last few ones
we're gonna be doing some Alien Versus or some Alien
Predator Marvel comics, and then also Alien Isolation, so there's
still tons of alien stuff coming out, and then of
course wrong Less on the nineteenth. So yeah, we're gonna
near and near to the end of our journey here,
so you know, let's start on a let's start. I
want to actually start with Kirklan Patzer because he was
such a big fan. I mean, he's still got like
a big score because I know Taylor's probably big family
know where he is. I think people might know general
for Sidney Ram and Dylan are. But like with Kirkland
saying big fan, but he had seen I think what
ten minutes of two and you turn it off or
something when you were a young we.
Speaker 4: Lad I got further than I thought based on where Yeah,
just watching through this time but yeah, yeah too, not
too far.
Speaker 1: So you made it through the whole time this time.
What were your thoughts on a VP record which came out.
What was this seven the year before The Dark Knight
and they're making this type of stuff.
Speaker 4: Love the Dark Knight is just like our Battle of
Yavin or something before or after Dark Knight. Yeah, this
was an interesting one, much anticipated for myself because, as
Travis laid out, like, I had only seen portions of it,
and I'm I'm a massive fan of a VP. So
it's it's kind of curious why I would never go
back and watch this, but no, saved it for the
retro and what a ride this movie was. I I
definitely had some fun watching it. But it's crazy how
similar in some ways this is to the first one,
mostly like with the characters and just some of the
dialogue and like just really badly written characters. I feel
like part of me the biggest thing between the two
is a big do some nostalgia, and man, I have
zero nostalgia for this movie, and what a change in
just like enjoyment overall for the flex. So yeah, I'm
not a big fan of this movie in general. I
feel like there's a lot of shit in here, Like literally,
my god, what terrible characters and just side characters. If
you get interested, it's like, fortunately it was mostly on the
comical line of like so bad it's it's it's still comedic.
So for the most part, it was that for me.
But I can't really see myself really jumping back into
this adventure, if you want to call it that. But yeah,
I don't know, Like I still think there is some
things that I would take from it that I like,
but for the most part, it's just it's not a
whole lot that I'm really seeking out for my alien
versus Predator adventures. I would definitely rather the first one
for that setting. I just like the isolated setting a
lot more. I feel like this one. There's a lot
of moments that I just like I have to remind myself,
like where we are having this big clash of and
like not a fan either of like trying to hybrid
the Predator with the Zeno more like, like that was
like a big moment because I had seen the first
movie so many times and it's like that's it, Like
that's the hybrid right there they show you at the
end of the movie, and I'd never like seen it
other than I guess the early portion of this movie.
But yeah, not a really big fun of that. So
I think it'll be a fun one to talk about
because there is some really crazy lines that are said
in this movie. But yeah, not a big fan of
this one.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, mister Muss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've never seen this movie, although I think
I some of these scenes did actually look a little
bit familiar. Now, I don't know, like, do other Predator
movies take place in like forested areas and stuff. I'm
sure they do, right, Yeah, that's the second one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe I've seen that or maybe I've seen this on TV,
but I've seen like a bit of these forested scenes.
Speaker 5: Those look for me for some reason.
Speaker 1: I would say to it. Also, you said, you said
other than they except like you're saying, all of them
takes place in the forest, except for the second one,
I'd say, the Predator takes a lot of place in town, right, remember,
but it goes to the voice, but there's a lot
of suburbans.
Speaker 3: Half and half, i'd give it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: So but anyway, I truly went to this not really
annoying anything in terms of story and character and whatnot.
You know, this is a weird one. I feel like
this doing all these movies back to back. I feel
like I'm kind of desensitized or like burnt out on
just like the idea of an alien killing someone, and
this movie just does so much of like, Okay, I've
seen this before, I've seen this over and over again,
and so maybe it's just because of the binge nature
of going through all these movies. Yeah, hopefully I believe
in Fede to make it kind of new and fresh again.
But there's something about this movie that just like I
had no impact on me. Like I feel like I
had no positive or really even super strongly negative emotions
other than like, oh yeah, this movie has a really
bad writing, which fun fact, same writer as Wave of Water,
just saying just saying really, but yeah, like the other
than some of those things and the character stuff that's like, Okay,
this is obviously not well written or like well acted
and is very trophy and all that.
Speaker 5: I just found that this movie had like no sense
of tension to it.
Speaker 2: It's more of an action movie than a horror movie,
which I think is find a lot of these movies
do that. They kind of try and blend the line,
but I think they just end up being action movies instead.
But there's really no tension here across the board, and honestly, like,
I actually really like the setting starting in the forest
like close to a city, people going out to like
hunt for trying to find these missing people, and that
leads them back, like pulls them kind of back into
the city, and then I have sequences there. It's an
interesting idea, and I kind of like the nature of
like our goal is to get to the helicopter on
the top of the hospital feels very left for dead
in the mission structure of it, and I like that
part of it. I like the idea of like teaming
up with these rag take different groups. Yeah, but I
think the actual execution of it is just where it
gets a bit weaker, and then like there's just like
the ending.
Speaker 5: Of this movie absolutely sucks. It's so bad.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I found this one a lot less fun
than I did AVP one, And I also found it
really interesting how the first one led to a lot
of really great discussions, at least for me, like in
terms of learning more about the Predator and what they're
into and what their purpose is. And I feel like
there's a lot of fun lore, but I feel like
the Predators like barely in this movie and it just
kind of takes a back seat and doesn't really do
anything that interesting. And I don't feel like I have
many fun lore questions like I did last time.
Speaker 5: So I just feel like.
Speaker 2: The movie in general doesn't really inspire a lot of
creativity in that way. So yeah, I did not have
a good time with this. I'll never watch this movie again.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's a couple interesting things, and I actually think the
special effects cgi the alien like all look great this movie,
but that's maybe the only thing I can say is
great about it.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that's how I'm feeling on this.
Speaker 1: One interesting poll there at the writer they are done,
because I was looking at it as a guy, the
guy named Shane where is Itno Solerno? Very odd career
As he writes this in two thousand and seven, and
then he writes three episodes of Hawaii with the reboot,
he writes Savages, which is like it's an alright movie,
and then he wrote Ghost recon Wildlands, and then he
wrote after Our Way of the Water. I don't really
know how he gets like this is the guy that
must have some blackmail for the.
Speaker 2: Theme of this these recordings that we're doing tonight because yeah,
some of the writers they pick for these are very
strange choices.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like this guy must have something on James Cameron
because it makes no sense that goes from av P
and then two he writes one, two, three. Between this
and twenty twenty two he writes three things and none
that's not like, oh hero, this world, this, and then
he wrote like I don't know, like the Gaull like
whatever Ar, like Interstellar, like you're like, oh man, this
was a really big one. So I don't know how
how he got on to Avatar. That's very I.
Speaker 2: Don't need to shit on that movie more on this podcast,
but if anyone wants to go back into a review,
you can go get more.
Speaker 5: Ripping the writing in that movie.
Speaker 1: God, this tracks. He's a writer in Gears of War
right now. For sure someone saw that this and I
was like, you could do Gears of War. And then
so he's writing Avatar five but not three or four?
What the fuck is going on with those Altar movies, you.
Speaker 5: Know, like some real Star Wars stuff.
Speaker 1: What is happening? And my last note, because he was
also a producer and his producer Chris, those make any
more sense now they really don't at this interesting career.
I wonder what's going on there. But uh yeah, I
did not enjoy this movie. Can't try and tone back
a bit because I thought about after the fact, I said,
I was a call in twenty twelve for we're gonna
try and be more PUZZI us negative. That was not
me that last review. I definitely just like, I think
that broke open all the gates for all this stuff.
Like you check out my letter box, I don't really
do anything too negative. I just like, oh, just keep
it there, because I know making movies are hard, especially
after doing just Eve one on a small scale, right,
But last week it was like, what is this? But
this is about the same, if not like a little worse.
In my opinion, it's definitely worse. I'll say that. So
it spoils my ranking, so you know, my bottom one
and two unless wrong list is just like the biggest
mishap of ever and we still got come to the ghost,
so you never know. But yeah, this, uh, I I
enjoy a few things about it. I am actually the
opposite where I enjoy the preda alien. I like that
because to me, in the first MOE, it's like you
gotta do the combo of Alien versus pread there, and
I don't for what it looks like. I don't mind
like that to me, looks like what it should look
like for the combo, you know, the alien's body with
the Columbo, the hen and everything. I don't mind that.
Because I was reading and I have some stuff in
trivia that some people really pissed about the way it
like reproduces and everything. I'm not mad about that because
Alien always like changes things up, So I'd like that
delivered on that, and that was like about it. And
there's a couple scenes in here that I appreciate them
for going for it, whether it's something really dark or
something I'm like, oh, this always happens in movies. I
wish they did this, and they actually did it here,
and I was like, oh, I really like that. So
but that's only two scenes, like two scenes out of
an hour forty long movie. So that was about it.
The characters are even worser where they're not even exposition
this time, they're plot synopsis. It's like, you know, woman
returns from war to child, someone dies, that guy likes girl,
this person dies, blah blah blah. This person dies uncle
or grandfather and son go grandson goal hiking, they die.
It's literally just you get the sentence of who the
characters are, and then one of them dies, and then
they meet it with the group, and it's it's odd
because we don't I feel like, we don't spend that
much time with the prey or and alien, and it's
when we do, it's fucking super dark. And sometimes this
is the movie I actually had troubles. I was doing
the whole like Raccoon thing of like I had the
I turned this my brightness up to Max on this
TV and the cineatographer said this was a choice because
they felt whoever did the first movie it was too bright.
I don't know, man, like I didn't. I didn't love
the action in that movie, the choreography, but the cinematography
at least I could see stuff here. There's so much
was like, they love that rain machine. So I didn't
like that. Hated all these characters. I agreed, Dylan. I
hated the way it ended. For the most part. There's
one thing I really like and then I don't know,
and I guess I just don't like seeing them in
this setting. I think that was something that really got me. Like,
not that I worry at all, because Noah Hawley's I
love Legion, He's doing that show. It's called Alien Earth,
So I'm gonna hope we're not seeing a bunch of
Xeno Merse, Zeno Mersey, you know, Morse on Earth and
everything like that. But I just I know Predator has,
but I just don't like them in I think maybe
even talked about it that in the Predator where I
just other than Predator too, I don't like them in
suburban I like them in the city. Just something feels
off about it. It just there's a lot of things
that don't track and don't work, whether it's the amount
of security or the amount of like enforces and swat
versus maybe them just being dumb. I don't know. I
just not a fan. And again I say it's even
worse than the first one that the person who made
this one really again likes Predator because this one, the
alien looks weak as like especially there's one scene that's
in the sewer with Alien like one v or Predator
one three one V. Three's aliens and then also get
some damage on the pred Alien, and it's like this
this Predator is like top tier. He is a general
elite because he's just destroying these things. And again there's
like random people who work at the gas station that
can like take on the alien they're stabbing in the hands,
like ah, Like it's just yeah, not not great. So
I don't have much to say. I will never watch
this again by choice for some reason if my kids
want to watch this one, but I don't think that's
ever gonna happen. I don't think we'll get that far
in the franchise. So yeah, yeah, I'm like, I'm I
would like there to be a third one because I
think there's potential for this somehow, right.
Speaker 5: I think he's the right director for something like that.
Speaker 1: Maybe I get probably not Fatty because they'd be like,
I'm not the crossover guy. I feel like you gotta
find like this Day and Age is Michael Bay, like
someone like that who like can make stuff dumb enough
but still is enough, Like because I think medical Bay's
movie is also like look good and he's big action, so.
Speaker 3: He's still directing, so let's get him.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna do that, but.
Speaker 5: Maybe, ye, James wand he could he could do something good.
Speaker 1: James not Christopher.
Speaker 5: And like and action.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was gonna go David Leech. But then
I'm like, no, he doesn't have the horror Shaws, but
he would have that kinetic energy. He'd make likable characters
like I think he'd be better like an Aliens two vibe. Yeah,
but then I get too funny.
Speaker 5: Right, I don't think I want this to be funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I was just trying to think of like
a gun for hire. So yeah, that's that's a good question.
James Gott honestly would not be an off but something
he doesn't make it too funny and make it too
some He's gonna introduce like some little kid predator that's
gonna be funny. And you're like, oh, why why is
Sean Gun here.
Speaker 5: And Sean Guns doing these?
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I don't know, you know, I'll just like
an easy punted answer. It's like whoever did pray? Oh God,
who did pray? Because that simpers the ten Cloe for Lane,
I can't remember their name.
Speaker 4: But like, honestly, like Dan Truck, Dan.
Speaker 1: Tracktenberg, Yeah, just punted him. Pray to me is like
a good that feels like a good temperature for what
you want as honest, he's a fan of Alien. But oh,
you know what, Neil Blom can't. We're gonna tell a
lot about the Alien Covenant. Give him his chance, you know,
and you know what, do the Legacy sequel. Get some
Gorny back, make her We finally have the fall hero
that's a human. Get her back. She's dealing with the
alien by this time, the Predator too, you.
Speaker 4: Know, getting Arnold back.
Speaker 1: Oh, Arnold and Sigg's got a team up. Yes, that's
what we were going against each other exactly. That's how
it starts, right, there's some big fights. Got yeah, faction Deerfield,
your floor, the floor is yours.
Speaker 3: I just I appreciate that we are talking about this movie.
You know, you asked me nine years ago if we
would ever get around to doing it. I would have
said yes. But here we are nine years later.
Speaker 1: Uh what happened?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 1: A you're just saying it wasn't soon enough for you?
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I wish it was sooner than later, but here
we are. Uh, this movie just hits so many rite
nostalgic notes for me. I remember going through that early
high school age and again like two and seven. That
was end of elementary school early high school for me,
and so I was at a time where I was
constantly googling a.
Speaker 1: Young man's life. Your body starts to change, you know what,
Ben says.
Speaker 3: I was on the hunt for sequels. I needed to
see of these great movies that I like to see
when these sequels are coming out, So the nineties, the
role on Emirate Guns of the film, I needed to
see a sequel for that that never happened. But these
are the movies. I was always googling, like what's the
status on these projects? And I remember finally getting images
that dropped for Alien Versus Predator Requiem and I could
not believe it. And I remember being in grade eight
sharing all my high school friends like, all, look at
this post the photos all over my social media. I
was just like my profile pictures changed to the Predator
from this movie Wolf is his name? Fucking out? Like ecstatic.
I was blown away. And I remember I got my
parents to take me to see it because it was
R rated. I needed bone on my parents to go
with me, and so parents came to see which one
I think it was my dad, My dad, he's he's
a big supporter of these kind of films with me
and my big sequel Hunter, Big sequel Hunter Yet so
I remember watching the theaters. Oh it was a good time,
and I remember just waiting for it to drop and
on DVD and I picked up the unrated like Benee
Special Edition. I remember this is when movies are rated
R physical copies. You need to have someone who is
eighteen at least to buy the movie with you. So
again it called my dad out and helped me hook
me up got the movie and I was just so
happy to have this to my collection. This film. I
don't really watch it the unextended like the shortened version,
the theatrical version, because I remember watching in theaters and think, okay,
there's a couple of scenes that I don't fully understand.
And I appreciate the extended version because you get really
only one scene that kind of deep dives a little
bit more, just kind of fills in the gap of
One main question I had was that how do you
have one predatorship with the big chieftain on there, and
like the hundreds of predators and smaller ships, this massive
capital ship, how do you have one pread alien just
sabotage it. Well, the thing is. The thing is this
whole extended scene shows this big capital ship flying away
from Earth. It flies past Saturn and then you see
a smaller detach and flies back to Earth to do scouting,
and that's the ship that has the predator pred alien
on and that cleared up all the air forms. Like,
oh well, that totally makes sense because I just thought, like,
where's the thousands of predators invading Earth now with these
like aliens, Like That's what I'd like to see. But
I digress. This movie getting to see these glimpses of
just expanded predator technology, getting to see this cleanup crew
of like one loan predator just go back to Earth
to deal with this, and things starting to get exponentially
worse and out of hand. I really really enjoyed that.
I think it's great. I just I love this predator
so much. He's so cool getting the new weaponry, like
his power gauntlet that in his brass knuckle that increases strength,
or blasting the cement. You get his whip, he's got
this blue eracing ooze stuff. You got the Shurricans back,
the two plasma casters as a little little kiddo. Seeing
this shit, I was like, Oh, this is the greatest
fucking thing I've ever seen. It was fucking amazing.
Speaker 1: Really coming into man during this movie.
Speaker 3: Oh, when he's in the Sewers, like, there's so many
great scenes in the Sewers. He's throwing his ship up
on the walls, He's throwing his lasers to new attack.
Speaker 1: Computers like confuse it with my scent, will catch me.
Speaker 3: But he's throwing at the laser devices on the walls.
Like there's there's so many awesome scenes in this movie
that I really like, including the pread or home World
is fucking sick. I wish we got to expand more
on that in this movie or another projects too, because
that's just it. That's a huge thing that in any
other movies you see a game preserve like another hunting
planet that other Preaders use, but you never see this
planet ever again, which is quite a shame. I hate that.
Speaker 2: But do you think they're just sorry to ask questions
don't go for all, But do they have multiple planets
that they've colonized for themselves, do you think or is
it just kind of the one mother planet and then
they have like they control their areas where they go
to Earth and you know, go hunting and stuff.
Speaker 3: But I think in the comics they probably do. I
can't really answer that, but I know I can say
that they do have access to multiple planets and they
do own multiple planets. So yeah, but man, this movie
it's just I watch it multiple times like a year.
I feel like I will definitely rewatch this again before
the year is out, because I just love this movie.
It's such a wild time and I get so many
different things, Like you get them in the forest, you
get some space stuff going on, you get in the
city too. I love that it's in like everyday Joe
Blow like city life, and it's just it's crazy to
see these two different species in that setting when we've
only seen them like Aliens. We've seen it so so
many times exclusively only in space Predators we've seen it. Yeah,
and they like the main city like skyscraper stuff like that,
and in the jungles and everything, but onto this scale
and covering so much ground in a city, going from
like the school all with the hot hospital and getting
to really see how the situation is unfolding is absolutely crazy,
and it just has this freakish tone in the back
of my mind where you think that when the aliens
are starting to break out and even though they're only
in the sewers, life is still going on. Though the
aliens start to break out, and then things are going
crazy that cities generators are going down and society is
still going on, like things are starting to fall apart,
but things are still progressively moving at the same time.
It's just weird to think that, like being in that
situation and not knowing, Like, man, there's these parasitic aliens
that are basically spreading throughout the town, killing and pregnating everyone,
and you just don't know that it's game over yet.
It just is a really freaky kind of overarching vibe.
It's kind of I get the same thing when I
watch Resident Evil. I can't remember the name of the
second one. It's when it's After My Life.
Speaker 5: I can't remember.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's Boca Lips.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Villain has a subtitle those ones pretty much.
Speaker 3: It's that that arc overarking feeling where the town everyone
in reckon. So he's continuing on and there's oh, the
vault opened up and the zombies are coming and the
people trying to get out. It's just that feeling just
terrifies me. So this movie has that, and yeah, it
just I love I love this movie. I can't wait
to get more into like the Finer Things. I fully
prepare myself for a lot of the hate because I
know it's definitely not everyone's cup of tea. The darkness
does bother me, but it's something I can overlook.
Speaker 1: It's hard to overlook it, you know.
Speaker 3: It's hard to overlook it.
Speaker 1: Can look at it, you know. I love to overlook
the darkness, like, oh there is there is.
Speaker 3: A predator via the pred alien.
Speaker 1: Though, I forget where you Taylor, or you in that
camp because I've seen it's a big divide in the
alien preader community.
Speaker 3: I think to me, it always made sense, like okay,
we're gonna get a you know, when I was young,
I knew, Okay, the alien takes this slight percentage of
its host. We saw that with Alien three, We saw
that with how it does with humans. And so even
in the games there are they're pread aliens and adding
twenty tens AVP, there is a huge final boss against
the pread alien you had to fight, and that's been
put into other forms as well, so I didn't mind
it at all. I like that this looked different because
it had more of like a queen aesthetic too. But
like the the the dreadlocks that it has, that's that
fits with other pred aliens that I've seen in other mediums.
But the fact that it reproduces through its second mouth
that definitely grosses me out. And yeah, the hospital close
up scene, I so cringe when I watch that because
it's just fucking like, oh, that's gross to watch. But
there's extended scenes too where you see it doing that
earlier on like the girl in the cafe and uh, yeah,
I'll point out other there's one more extended scene, but
I'll point that out later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have two follow ups there. One the statement
that one's a question down, so let me do the
same at first, that that's where it's odd because the
the movie is an action kind of turn your brain
off movie. But then for me, that is a scene
that like because they just they just go for it.
You and most of those movies like oh there's the
pregnant lady, They're gonna tease it nothing, then something's gonna
happen distracted, but then the fucking you know nurse comes
back and know that whole wing is just filled now
with pregnant ladies now in pregnant with aliens. I'm assuming
their children are not making it. And it's just like
that's where it's like that feels something more of classic
Alien where it's disturbing, it sticks with you, but it
doesn't almost fit in this movie. It just almost uses
kind of like a gag of like, oh, we did this.
But I appreciate them trying to take some sort of
like swing. I guess I wish the whole movie was
filled with more imagery of that, like oh my god,
like almost a stomach turning of like cheese the wives.
But it's that's not like the movie. It's just like
a scene there. But I did like it. And yeah,
the impregnation through the mouth is not not the way
you want to go, you know.
Speaker 2: But I mean I found this by far the most
brutal UH movie and all of these we've gone through
in this retrospective here, like even from the very beginning,
like a kid getting impregnated and dying first like five
minutes is like whoa, okay, shocked in for it. All
the people in the sewers like all that is very disgusting. Definitely,
the hospital scene is really nasty too. But yeah, I
feel like a lot of the kills in these movies
are almost like off screen, Like you see the alien
enter a room with someone and they're about to strike,
and then they like cut away and then someone will find.
Speaker 5: Their remains, you know.
Speaker 2: Often I was maybe done a lot more in the
earlier movies so they didn't have to animate all these
things to figure out how to make them look good
when they didn't have the CGI to do it. But
that's where like I think this movie, yeah, visually looks
really good on the CGI. The darkness, yes it's there,
but that also helps them to kind of get away
with maybe what would have otherwise been lesser CGI, I suppose.
But yeah, this movie is absolutely brutal and the most
r rated out of anything so far.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just want to shut out because you mentioned that
beginning scene. Yeah, the kid, we have never seen that before.
For for a kid to get killed off like this
in this franchise, which is it's wild, But I just
want to I gotta shut out the dad because he's
got a bolt action semi automatic hunting rifle. He's not
even aiming down sites and he shoots a face hugger
and takes it out. He loses an arm, but that's
a fucking good shot. It's yeah, the hit fire shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dropping with you as you're saying, well.
Speaker 3: I mean he I think you know, he's not gonna
be in the final circle, but he's definitely gonna do
some damage.
Speaker 4: I kills.
Speaker 1: My second fault was dyl where are you on the
preda alien? Kirkland? Not so much? You know, we're a
more friend. Do you like the rendition or whatnot?
Speaker 5: Because yeah, cool, I think it's a fun idea.
Speaker 2: But I I just feel like in this movie, like
it didn't act any different than an alien would, but
he was just like a visual difference where I think
it could have been interesting if it had like a
bigger brain in a way, because predators are clearly very
smart creatures. And that's why how they're just killing alien
by the hundreds or you know, taking all the ones
out in the sewer or like three v one, four
to one, five v one taking out you know, and
we saw like in the original a VP killing a
lot more at a given time. So I feel like
they're just such a smart creature that it was weird
to me or maybe a little underwhelming that it didn't
really act any differently. And maybe if I watched movie
over and over, i'd find little subtle differences. But I
almost forgot that was happening, because once again, the movie's
so dark.
Speaker 5: It's like, is that an alien or is that the
pread alien?
Speaker 1: That's fair, and then you could have given like colored
it a little bit different or something that made a
bit more like I don't want to say the Predator
is great, what colors are predators?
Speaker 6: More?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Think of that weird.
Speaker 3: Yellow kind of like yellowish screen, and.
Speaker 1: That's tough because predator or aliens kind of grease. So
maybe they just should have made like a lighter green
to make it stand.
Speaker 3: They tried, though, like but it's very limited in the
scene because actor in the suit the predator would go
in his his alternate vision and the pred alien would
pop up his yellow and then regular aliens would be green.
So that they tried with that, but that's using his thermal, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're we're not on thermal all the time, right. Yeah,
Another way I would like to see this movie because I.
Speaker 5: Could have saw what was going on.
Speaker 1: Oh, I can see everything this movie now. But no,
that's a good point if it would have been a
little bit, because you're right, I think, other than the reproducing,
it is just a alien with a prayer. So I
like the look. But you make a good point that
it could have been cool to do, even to have
an alien act more like a predator, you know. But
another scene that I didn't put in the trivia, but
seeing that, I guess here lots of fans really really
didn't like was that the predalien allowed the predator to
take off its armor everything and get ready for the battle.
People had a big problem with that scene.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I can I can see why, but it's just,
you know, predators doing predator stuff.
Speaker 1: But the director said that this pretor this the predalium,
was smarter, so it was allowing that predator the custom
of taking that.
Speaker 3: You can't argue it's canon. You can't argue that's what.
Speaker 1: They said, that they were allowing to take off the
armor so they can fight.
Speaker 4: I guess an alien wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: I guess so yeah, that alien would just go for
the kill.
Speaker 4: That's what it's like. Super Smart isn't like the whole idea.
Speaker 1: But I think there are their approach was xeno morse.
Speaker 5: Or more are they shadow extreme?
Speaker 3: Xeno Morse are highly intelligent.
Speaker 1: I think it's not so much that it was that
they're more vicious and they would just go straight for
the kill where it's more predator thing too, you know,
for aunt, like they act a bit more like people. Yeah, exactly,
they act a bit more like a I'd say, a person. Yeah, well,
unless you accidentally throw a gun up at it and
it'll just fucking like. That was the weird thing this
movie with The Predator where at times it was like,
I'm not going to kill people, and then it would
cut to toilets there where it's massacring men and women.
It's just like there was no rhyme or reason of Okay,
I get we talked this last film. Okay, you want
the Predator to be the hero. Fine, but it's like
still of these humors weren't danger of the Predator, but
he's just blowing their heads off, he's throwing spikes at
them and everything was it was an odd, odd choice,
I don't know.
Speaker 3: And this like the predators kill. Yes, well, they're trying
to make him the good well at first, like he's
trying to the big thing is there's trying the preador
killing that chick in the hallway, like poor poor Jesse,
but fuck that kill is sick and it's just crossfire
right like.
Speaker 1: I don't know where that storyline is just gone. This
whole like to me, the only stories even then terrible.
The whole thing is terrible set up. It's classic. Okay,
guys had a crush on this girl's whole life, you know,
like Dylane says, they make the.
Speaker 3: Stupid looking at me.
Speaker 1: Lovers and then like the bullis laugh the bullys beat
him up, throw his key, like get that lesson of them.
Speaker 4: Okay, they don't just beat him up, they like for
your death, and then his keys down the tree.
Speaker 1: Find in thirty minutes or less. And then we just
get they and I get it because we have no
ton There's all of these characters, and this is how
the way the movie's written. But the next time we's here,
you know, I broke up with that guy, meet me
here at ten pm or whatever, get there, she's just
ready to fuck him. She's just like like no build up,
no like romance character.
Speaker 5: There's nothing to her.
Speaker 1: It's near the clock now, you know. And then the
bullies showback up. It's like, how do they know you're
at the pool? Which whatever, But at least I was not.
Speaker 3: They taught her, right, that's what he said.
Speaker 1: They taught her.
Speaker 3: They taught her everything she knows, that's what he says.
He walks in there, so he knew.
Speaker 1: Even sexually, not like not like flirting skills. But even that,
at least I was not. I was not really invested
with anything. I was invest Okay, can the guy get
the girl? And it's not even like a big moments,
just a running down a hall and yeah, she gets
spiked the wall. That's it's like, oh, that story is done,
you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this movie definitely reeks of like male
writer who doesn't know how to write female characters. It's like,
really like even the fact that the other character who's
actually like, you know, she's like a she was in
the army or something like she's very well trained and whatnot.
But even then there's still a guy being like, oh,
you can't drive because you're a woman. It's like, come on,
like that's the level of humor we're dealing.
Speaker 3: The crash this writer. Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: In defense of the predator's actions, though.
Speaker 1: I thought you're defending the like you know, yeah, like
she crashed the helicopter like you know, and then that
girlpool late night hours, how they get in there, you know?
Speaker 3: But uh No, I just think that when it started out,
the first victim of the predator was the deputy and
that was because I mean, the deputy walked in and
saw these dead bodies and saw this predator pour in
this blue ship, and he's trying to contain. At this point,
he thinks he can contain a situation, so he kills
him and he decides to skin him to as his
predator tradition too many, you might as well just follow through,
right the essence.
Speaker 1: If you're saying, like, that's that's what I did. That's
another thing I will agree. As far as a liking thing.
I liked the wolf, which they named after fucking pulp
fiction Harvey. I tell the wolf, So yeah, that's what
they said, deal and that's what they need and after
because he's there to clean up the problems.
Speaker 5: So water.
Speaker 1: I liked the idea of this more. Okay, he's the cleaner,
but that's where it's like, Okay, if you're trying to
be without trace and you're okay, time sensitive got to
get the alien finals victims. You have to kill a
human because he said, okay, whatever, they're in your way.
But then we're gonna sit here and skin them. That's
where it went out the window for me. You're like, oh, man, like,
why is he skinning these humans if he's on a
mission and not alert anybody? Like if the cops down
the gut three stab wombs, Okay, that's not a regular knife,
so I'd get that. But when they find the guy
completely hung from the tree and skin they're gonna know, Okay,
something's more up than just like you're regular random.
Speaker 3: But that would that'd be the only isolated things like
oh what the hell.
Speaker 1: He isn't throughout this movie, more happens, right.
Speaker 4: I feel like it could be like sending a message too,
like stay out of my way, I'm doing my investigation.
Speaker 1: Didn't work, fuck with me?
Speaker 3: Putting trees upside down? That's right, Kirkling exactly when.
Speaker 1: He puts trees upside down, big, that's what does something.
Speaker 3: Pre playing the process to me, Hey, it's just sending
a message like hey, this is like I'm doing something.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, explain the tree upside down?
Speaker 3: The Bigfoot, Yes, takes the tree, puts upside down back
on the ground.
Speaker 1: So he pulls it from its roots and then he
stabs it into the ground and the trees upside How
big are these trees?
Speaker 3: Well, I haven't seen it in person, but okay.
Speaker 1: Because it sounds like this makes no sense at all.
How would you that tree'd be too if it's a
tall tree, be too tall to bounce it back into
the ground. No roots?
Speaker 3: Well, bigfoot are big things though, I mean, at least.
Speaker 1: That big supposed photos so funny. This is a big show.
Couldn't do this.
Speaker 3: This is a big alien versus preader requiem. Yeah, I
just I just circle back. I think that it's just
I don't know, it's just tradition. It's just the thing
that he did. The preader's gotta do, but prayer's got
to do. Is this time and place? Like, Yeah, it's
maybe a little bit oddly placed, but he.
Speaker 4: Would have done that really fast though, like like I
feel like that wouldn't have taken him more than twenty minutes. Oh,
he's a veteran still, and that's like that's like a
lunch break, Like like I feel like that's acceptable.
Speaker 1: I mentioned his superior and he gets back, So, what
the fuck are you doing? Like the performance, it's tradition, man,
I had it. It was my kill. You're supposed to
be in and out, in and out, and here you
are skinning these cops, you fucking idiot. Why Uh? Yeah,
were suspended.
Speaker 3: There's the Hunter's store that's there getting the guns and stuff. Now,
those two smoke Smoke guys that rushed in.
Speaker 1: Smoke guys, the Undertaker from nineties, the Smoke guy.
Speaker 3: Like, I understand why Wolf re acted the way he
did because they charged at him with their guns up.
So that just prompted like, ar no, that was just
a threat, insta threat. There was. This is one of
the deleted scenes where you don't it's another kill. The
preditor gets where the mom and daughter running from the house,
and this is in between the dad dying and then
the store that they arrived. They're running and they get
to a graveyard and you hear screams and gunshots and
this other guy has a gun in the graveyard. He's like, oh,
come here, and like okay, I'll keep you safe, you know,
and he's talking about I can't remember what he was saying,
but he's just he's just a paranoid old guy. And
the girl's like, Mom, I'm scared.
Speaker 1: I'm scared.
Speaker 3: I'm scared of The guy's like shut her up, shure
the fuck up, or I'm gonna fucking he starts threatening her.
So the predator is in the tree do it in
the tree. He's doing his medical stuff and he sees
the guy freaking out, and so he shoots the the
fucking guy's head off with this plasma caster. Guy drops
the gun and the woman goes to grab the gun,
but the predator' shining his red light on the gun,
so she leaves it and then she runs off to
the department store. It's pretty crazy scene.
Speaker 5: Is that the Is that the predator from your top
ten list? From all the dude? The Predator in the tree?
Speaker 3: I can't even remember. I think it was. Yeah, I'm
pretty sure that one is. But that is man. Fuck
Wolf is fucking awesome, though.
Speaker 1: That's probat the guy that he gets back to put
him in the tree for such a bad performance movie.
Speaker 5: He was scrutified Wolf, Are you serious?
Speaker 3: I don't trust Wolf to be on my team, but
the Predator tree from Predators, He's he'll be on your team.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember the the predator that we spend
the most amount of time within the last movie, like not.
Speaker 3: The two that died, Like that's the scar Scar.
Speaker 2: Okay is he is he the dead one at the
start of this movie? He yeah, okay, so that is
like built from his DNA?
Speaker 5: Then I suppose yes, yeah, okay, that's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah. To mention it though, that was one of other
human storylines where a woman vet is coming back for more. Uh,
this is literally the scenes. You know, she gets back,
husband's like happy to be home. They have a kid
next seeing it story time, Oh my god. And the
husband's getting dragged out of the house terrible way of
the door, be like, oh there's a monster. There's no monster,
so anything he breaks through. But yeah, same thing. I
was surprised how fast the husband died. We met him
a total of a couple of minutes and that was it.
And that's a reoccurring thing in this one that you
meet these characters for just their log line and then
gets to go. I get why she would, but I
just found it very funny that I just feel like
the husband has attack, she picks up the kids and
just run. She doesn't even look back, doesn't even see.
Speaker 3: If she knows this game over.
Speaker 1: I know, but just like I was expecting, just like
a longing look or something, but she's just like I
think she is doing some other stuff during work, and
she's just like, there's just no like sentimental value send
off to the husband. He just felt like a dude.
It could have been like the babysitter that was watching
the kid and got killed off. You know, I thought
there's gonna be at least one look of sad. And
even then, about thirty minutes later when she bumps to
other people, she's cracking jokes with these characters, like your.
Speaker 2: Reaction from Ricky when Jesse gets killed in a hole.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what was odd to me, so you yeah,
but show out to a show out to the dad.
I guess he sacrificed himself for his his family. So
good for him.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was a willing sacrifice. I see,
no monster, he's just start a prop a point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it cost him his life.
Speaker 1: And who else do we have?
Speaker 3: First we had the sheriff, yeah.
Speaker 4: And super trusting of the government.
Speaker 1: Government's never wrong. And then the people. We had the
lady who was the mother of the son at the beginning, right, yeah,
she was just a soul. She was she was dan
wach good. She has no help on the team. But
you know what, that's something I liked. I liked at
the end when they had those characters go to the
government site after being warmed, like yeah they are, and
then the Trumps and kills them. Like there's something about
that that I was like, you know what, they don't
do this enough in movies, because either all characters decide no,
you're right, we can't go there, or it is okay,
the government was fine. I kind of liked it as
like a nice diversion expectations of oh no, you were wrong.
Speaker 4: So with it was like it was so like mustache
toorally like in the sense with like the colonel that's like,
oh yeah, just go there, and then then he like
he like hangs up his walk. He's like they're ten
us all yeah, Like every time it goes to him,
it's like, okay, clearly he's just gonna nuke the whole
fucking town. I feel like you're picking us up.
Speaker 1: Right, were they gonna be there soon? You're picking us
up though, right.
Speaker 4: Oh we're ten minutes as you like see like a
nuke just going. It's like, you know, like why even
do these moments like just just have it from our
hero's perspective and then just like talking to the military guy,
they get there and then that happens. I feel like
that would have been so much more of a shock,
whereas that's everyone that just trusts him from that point
on him, Like these guys are just absolute idiots, like this,
this makes no sense.
Speaker 1: I guess that's why I think you're right, maybe it
could be done better, So maybe I'll rip then, you know,
a movie one year for us. But like I thought
they were doing this and I thought the sheriff was
going to realize, oh they are, Like you're right, they
made it so obvious. Why he just looks like an idiot,
Because that's why I was surprised. So now thinking about, yeah,
it's not great, but I was like, oh, they're for
sure gonna leave because they're so percus so they're gonna
figure it out. So I guess maybe it just gave
me a giggle that they still didn't leave and they
just got bombed. So maybe that's why I enjoyed it,
because it's just so stupid, But you're right, they should
have made they should have made it more down the
line of more believing, like, oh, we heard they've like
got other people out. But I had a giggle that
they they like a group of characters calls them idiot
for going there, and then him and this one go
there and they're idiots because yeah, they just get nuked.
Which I don't understand why the army would not kill
our main characters at the end. It makes very little
sense to me, Like just because they got out of
the city, they'd still be if you're working with this
government and this idea and this movie, like, okay, they're
there to eliminate anyone that would have been exposed, and
they got out of city, they should be assassining them
on the spot.
Speaker 3: You know, No, I I think that you're you're looking
at a situation where like the Predator, for example, Now,
what's what's his name? Like Destiny, Like what's his name? Yeah? Yeah,
So you have his character he was obviously military, he
encounters a predator and then some of his members of
his team die and then they just bring him in
for questioning. Right, that's the main thing. Because something happened
the agency wants to talk to him, and then they
sent him off and who knows where they going to
execute it after that. It's the movie writing is very
very wonky, but it's to me and implied they were
just gonna outright kill him with these other military people.
But I think the main thing here is, Okay, these
people survived. We have no other witnesses that are alive
in this town because we had a new get to
contain it. But now we have this group of people
that we can talk to and interview, and whatever happens
after the fact, that's after the fact. But they obviously
need to talk and get information because there's a lot
of stuff.
Speaker 1: Is there to get. They just bombed it.
Speaker 5: They like this.
Speaker 1: If they're worried about these people being infected, they would
make no sense why they take them back to Basin.
Speaker 3: I think the big thing is that they had alien tech.
And I mean the one thing they knew they were
dealing with was the like the ra classic Zeno. But
the fact that there is now bipedal alien like super
Hunter that dropped a gun that they have, it's like, okay,
these guys encountered it, like can we interview it? But
again that's me headcanning it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Why defense is. It's not a good defense either.
Speaker 3: But that's followed up in the ending too, right, because
they are super interested in all that stuff that's going on.
Enter miss Utani, which we'll never see again in any
alien media.
Speaker 4: End credit. I liked it.
Speaker 5: My my issue, I don't.
Speaker 2: It's hard to really describe, but I just foun I
just found the ending anti climactic, which is funny to say.
It's literally like, the biggest possible thing you could do
is my massive nuke that kills everything and everyone, including
the villains, any heroes or characters we had left. But
I still just found it very anti climactic. I don't
know what I would want it instead. I think, you know,
like the whole movie is building towards this moment, so
it's hard to just like do one or quick one
or two quick little things to rewrite it into a
more interesting story. For me, it's like, yeah, once again,
I also don't know if I want it to be that,
you know, our ragtag group of humans, three or four
of them, figure out some good solution to take up
both of these apex predators, because predators being the predator
and the Alien and Alien Predator, all three versions of it,
because I don't think that would be very satisfied either.
But that's just kind of how this whole trajectory was going.
But either way, the ending didn't work for me. And yeah,
like that that post credit sequel bait.
Speaker 1: Was like so like that, like how is that supposed
to be?
Speaker 5: It's like worse than a chat GPT one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what is it supposed to get you? Like what,
how does it get you excited? Like, well, it's tech
from another world, yes it is. And then they cut
the block. It's like what, like what, like what is
exciting about that one gun? Yeah, and it's like okay, cool,
like you know, there's other stuff out there. I guess
it's still like oh well. Then she's like I don't
know eventually because like they post the alien movies that
they stumble upon the Xenamorus, right, so it's not like,
well we go out there and aliens too. That's the
like that's the plot of oh, well, we know it's
out there, we want to make it a weapon. But
it just, I don't know, just just just weird. I
don't know. It was a hype moment, and I agree
with you, Dylan, where maybe they didn't have the budget,
but I feel like them escaped on the helicopter, whether
it's the alien the Predator, I feel like that's built
for that final set pieces. Like someone jumps on that helicopter.
You're trying to fight that thing off, right, like the
perd aliens on there, and you're.
Speaker 5: Like kicking so many times.
Speaker 1: That's also not with a human helicopter.
Speaker 5: Though, with the human helicopter, that would.
Speaker 1: Have been my pitch, like in that at least more
exciting than then they just they fly off in a ball.
At least maybe you lose one member, like you could
have lost I think like the more mature brother, who
I guess it wasn't in the final movie. They I
think in this one of the lead scenes that I'm
not sure if it's in the ones you've seen. I
think they imply he was like a former convicted convicted
felt yeah, okay, so he was like a he's a
bad ass because he's been in prison and stuff like that.
But he could have lost his brother, yeah, like the
older Yeah.
Speaker 4: I thought that was his dad. I don't know, I
know that's his brother. Yeah, miss that detail.
Speaker 1: YEA. Their energy HadAM young and then went to prison.
They missed all those years. But you could even kill
the young guy who lost his love interest, because once
he gets spiked in the shoulder, he gets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I think it would have been two for one,
just killed himself in his anger of that.
Speaker 1: I thought he's gonna jump on the shaft.
Speaker 5: I thought he was going to it, but yeah, didn't
end up dying.
Speaker 2: No, Then he does nothing for the next fifteen minutes anyway, So.
Speaker 1: He's just in shock, you know. So yeah, what uh
what next? For?
Speaker 2: Well, here's here's a random thing. Do you get Colonel
Stevens is like the villain government guy. Did he look
just exactly like Jeff Keeley, do you guys?
Speaker 5: Or was that just me?
Speaker 1: He did look a little like Jeff Keey. I'll give
you that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let me share.
Speaker 2: Let me share this particular image because I'm like, this
is this is Keey right here?
Speaker 1: Do you have a side by side?
Speaker 5: I don't have a side by side.
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's made that, but like, like, look
at that, that is Jack.
Speaker 1: Here, that's in the future. That's Summer Games four, like
thirty years No, I agree, it has a lot of
his feetures.
Speaker 4: The nose, the eyebrows like she as well a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love far the eyes lies.
Speaker 4: The planning. Uh, it's funny. A big part of this
movie is just like the app the darkness of it.
And you know, before we before I watched this movie,
I did a cast with Taylor and he told me
to watch it at nighttime, which fantastic advice because I
could actually see what was going on. I actually remember
while I was watching it. Why I stopped watching it
the first time around was because I was watching on
some like fucking I don't even know whatever website of
like where you would stream a movie, and I like
it was I don't know if it was a cam version,
but like it was like not a great quality. Plus
it was like absolute just pitch black. And I remember
watching the day and I'm like, I can't fucking see
anything that's going on. So the first really dark sequence,
not like the opening on the on the predatorship, but
like the first actual dark sequence, I remember that's where
I turned it off.
Speaker 5: So you were maybe one of those sequences.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was one of those moments just can't see.
Speaker 5: Ship from here your road?
Speaker 7: Yeah, the light in my eyes that's that sewer is
just brutal, just like just tough.
Speaker 1: So so when.
Speaker 4: The two brothers go down there to find his keys,
I it just blows my mind that A they went
down into the sewer to find his keys, but like
also like be like instead of like looking around his
like first options just go fucking elbows deep and like
like absolute sludge. There could be a dead carcass in there.
Speaker 8: And he's just like it's just feeling around for really
fast though, but after that he's like, oh, go check
up there, and then he's just like reached around or
like around a corner. I'm like, fuck man, this guy's
gonna have tetanus, he's gonna have rabies. Like this is
not a good idea to.
Speaker 4: Just be fishing fishing around down here. But yeah, surprisingly
he did find them, So what do I know.
Speaker 1: When they interview him and they like take all the
talks reports everything, they're like, you gotta high system of
ship and you're did the alien do that too? Like
Noah's just we went into the super but yeah, in
real life, I don't think you're find the keys that
Maybe let me know anyone who's lost her keys that way,
but for me, that I'm calling it a calling it lost.
I'm just breaking the window and hot wind in the car.
Then yeah, yeah, I ain't sledgend through that in no way,
but nice enough brother to go through there and do
that with him, So or Dad for Kirkling was the.
Speaker 2: Game experience after they hadn't seen each other for a while.
So yeah, Taylor, one thing you mentioned that I really
enjoyed was that the Predator had that tech to disintegrate
bodies and just kind of erase any evidence or any
footprint of their existence there.
Speaker 5: So I thought, yeah, that was that was a cool detail. Uh.
Speaker 2: Also that sequence, I think it's in that like pawn
shop where all the characters kind of all coalesced for
the first time, like all the different groups connect, and
I think it's the prettily that like just shoots one
guy in the face with goo and it just like
disintegrates his face off, like immediately once again with Dale,
who's on the ground, I don't know his name, but
he's ripped right off and it's like man and once
again an incredibly brutal moment that actually made me cringe.
So yeah, I think that was those things, the like
he was like fuck, this, he gets the keys and
he runs and the alien like jumps on him, and
so the predators on top of a shelf, just watching
and the alien.
Speaker 5: And that was the guy who was like talking ship
to the daughter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the bully. Yeah mm hmmm nice.
Speaker 1: What was his name him?
Speaker 3: Dale?
Speaker 1: Shout at Dale.
Speaker 3: I know that because the older brother, Dallas, Damn Dallas.
He freaks out at him because Dale, like, we should
just leave town now. He's like, you're too stupid to think, Dale,
shut up.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a pretty good idea though, like
I just get out of there. But yeah, I don't
think I have much And like again, I feel like
maybe that's another reason why I want third one as
well as I feel like both movies missed out on
the opportunity to have like a epic classic alien versus
Prider fight scene. I think both of them have issues.
Where the first one they are just really clunky and
like I said, lots of guys in suits, where this
one was just lots of close quarters, lots of shaky
cam dark, Like I want to see something, maybe just
like produce a Alien versus Predator special presentation, just make
it twenty five minutes a fight between two and go
with just Yeah, that's what I wish. I was hoping
out of both of these movies that i'd get one scene.
It's like, well, even if all that was shit, that
fight scene was fucking awesome and I didn't get that
with the either ones. That's that's my saddest thing.
Speaker 5: By that nuke going off, you know, we're.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, we're about to get to the nitty griddy
of it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, rip the mouth on, right, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: That was cool. That was a good one where yeah,
it goes to a little moment and then that aliens.
Like but even though I feel like, shouldn't that blood
be melting the predator? Right, that's like spewing out of
the alien's mouth.
Speaker 2: Yes, assume there's some resistance to it because a hybrid,
like the blood is kind of uh in different parts
of the body.
Speaker 1: Who's that guy to at one point? Oh, it's one
of the bullies, the guy that was like, you know,
mad that his girlfriend beating him up to fuck. The
guy at the pool. He's like being held down by
an alien and the prenatter is like not trying to
help him, but I guess trying to assist and he
like headshots the alien, but like it's not the pret alien.
It's just the alien's head comes off and all the
blood just goes down and kills one of the bullies.
So terrible.
Speaker 4: What the scene Taylor just talked about?
Speaker 3: That's Dale.
Speaker 1: Oh that's Dale. Okay, sorry I know I didn't know Dane.
Oh sorry I forgot I didn't take notes of their name.
But yeah, back to my beginning point, I just wish
there was a classic fight here. Never got it, so
fair enough.
Speaker 4: How do you go backwards?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 4: From the pread alien, I still want to just have
a predator.
Speaker 1: Back to basics. It's just even I think the mistake
was with the last one of having the alien, Like,
I don't know why they ever just had predator versus
a bunch of aliens even that one. Isn't there a
multiple aliens right? Or or multiple predators? Yeah, it's multiple.
It's an alien and then they fight two and they
kill them. There's one and there's like a queen. Right
to me, it's just like basics, like one alien, one predator,
make them high power levels and that's it, like, and
make them very evenly scaled. No one's getting the upper hand,
I don't think you need a bunch of the region
stuff with the humans or anything like it should have
at least I get the sequel you gotta go bigger,
so that's fine, but the first one should just been
one v one and that to me is big enough. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it'd be fun, but I I
don't know if I believe it. I feel like the
you guys are saying the alien are highly intelligent. I
feel like I disagree with that claim, at least from
myself watching all these movies, Like they're incredibly strong, like physically,
and they you know, have their blood, the fact that
their blood kills people, so they just have like martyrdom
pretty much from Call of Duty as like a Perk
Perk said on there, like, I don't I think a
one v one if we're like talking a realistic battle,
like if we're doing this in the geek versus thing
that we're gonna do on the stream, like the Predator
would easily win.
Speaker 5: Right, there's no contest.
Speaker 3: I think the smartest alien you're you're gonna see is
in that first film. I think as the movies progress,
the people that helm these projects make the aliens dumber
and I think that's because of the quantity of water represented,
because I since I will stand by the fact that
I think the alien is super super intelligent, and of
course when you're dealing with a queen or something else,
is supposed to be even more smarter. But I can
see where you're coming from, Dylan, because in these movies
were aliens are just front and center making stupid moves
and whatnot. I mean alien versus predator. Tried to have
a little bit of an intelligent alien with nethead with
like the one I got out of the mesh net thing.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, like obviously compared to a predators,
dumber than a predator, right, no, no question.
Speaker 5: I'm surprised you guys even have to think about.
Speaker 1: That because I've seen a lot of dumb predators too.
That's the problem too.
Speaker 3: Like first as well, Like in the first AVP. In
the first AVP, again it's with the netead alien. When
the one the one predator gets killed by the one
alien and the alien goes to kill the second predator.
That alien gets trapped in a net and what is
the predator? He pulls out a little dagger and walks
slowly towards it to kill it, he takes his time
and ends up paying the price of his life. So
there are some predators in the main movies that do
stupid things too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because my issue with the predator sometimes they don't
seem a little dude Broie. You know that's where and
you know, dude BROI is like ultra level dumb. So
I think that's what I'm saying. Get the whoever it
is in these movies. You get the smartest predator, get
the smartest xenomorph out there, and you have them do
get I do. I think like the predators are smarter
and degree where they have more of a cognizance that
like we do like a similar mind to us, where
alien is just for hunting. But that's where I would
not lean. I don't know where i'd go, but that's
where I say, oh, you give them that way because
they're not thinking about their clan or a mission. They're
just there to kill and reproduce. So there's like so
so in a sense, preaders are smarter, but the aliens
are so single minded or just one goal oriented. That's
where I think they should bypass the predator's skills. But
that's where I think it was like an ultimate like
David Goliath thing where it is like a I don't
know a warrior versus a unhinged killer, and David, yes,
specifically him. So I agree that I think they are
a little bit smarter. But I think that's the way
where you can make it that the predators are so good.
But and I'm saying, make these aliens faster, or make
them their selves good, make uh, you know, stuff with
the face.
Speaker 2: I think the more you guys talk about, the more
I backing down on my point. I think if we
take the average predator against the average alien, I'd probably
say predator is, yes, on average, smarter, but yeah, once again,
they have the power of numbers, no doubt. But that's
where I just feel like, yeah, one v one scenario
seems unfair. But yeah, and then there's other times when
some aliens are pretty freaking strong, so especially like a queen,
you know, obviously that would be a different kind of
battle too.
Speaker 1: M hm. So I will get it. I don't think
we're I think these movies kind of sully to any
chance of anything happening.
Speaker 5: Someday, It'll happen again. It's got it right. Everything is
sicklical for you.
Speaker 1: I'll say, not my billion dollars. If they're making an
AVP or were they not just making Ramas too?
Speaker 4: They're bringing in both franchises.
Speaker 2: They make Rama's two, a VP three, they'd make another
Predator movie actually put in theaters this time. Have they
confirmed if the next Predator is going to go in theaters?
Speaker 3: Pretty sure? The next one, yeah, I don't think, but
the other one streaming right.
Speaker 1: I think Pray Too will as well. I think they're
going away from Disney. Plus, I think they're like, these
fucking apps aren't making us the money. I'm gonna say this,
I don't think we'll get a movie in my lifetime.
That's what I'll say. WHOA I could see okay, a
live action maybe, sure, I'll take I'll take the pizza.
Speaker 5: That pizza. I'll bring you pizza.
Speaker 1: I'll be like ninety and you'd be like they just
announced the Aliens Predator three. They're like, oh my god, finally,
so I could see something. Okay, here, I'll I'll cur
tailor so you can take the pizza bit away. I
don't see an Alien Versus Predator theatrical movie in my
lifetime streaming maybe there's a chance maybe there's something. But
I could see maybe they release that anime series, maybe
they go back to a comic book Alien Taylor, did
they ever do the alien versus comic book? I know
they've been in the games. Okay, so there you goes
never mind there. So I would like to, like I said,
give it to a director that's like somewhat like like
that's rude, someone that is an above average talent, that's
what it's. Someone that has care for the franchise and
also has a good lots of history under the belts
of oh, they can make a really solid movie. You know.
Another good guy would be fucking the guy mad creator
in Rogue one. What's his name, Gareth Edwards, he'd be
he's about to make Durassic World. Like, there's a good guy.
That's the guy too. Creator looks like a thousand, one
thousand bucks, looks like a billion bucks. It's eighty million dollars,
you know, same budgets Robert Downey's Avengers pay roll. Like
he could make stuff look really good for really cheap.
So that that's my pick right there. Gareth Edwards and Scale,
he'd make you feel like those aliens are just fucking massive.
You know that's my pick.
Speaker 3: Now beautiful, Well, I got details on AVP three.
Speaker 1: Give it to me because I didn't put any of
that in the trivia.
Speaker 4: So I've updated two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's still in that forum and refresh.
Speaker 3: I'll start. I'll start with the two thousand and eight thing,
and then I got twenty twenty three doll back are these?
Speaker 1: Are these?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: You go?
Speaker 1: And then I'll do after this.
Speaker 3: Two and eight thing. I would always go on here
because it's some screen ranch and I remember being a
little kid going on here, and I love that it's
still up. But it's just it's funny to read this
now after we've been around the block so many years later.
And I quote and anonymous source over a twentieth century
Fox got in touch with us over the weekend to
relay the news. Another Alien Versus Preader sequel is a
certainty at this point.
Speaker 1: They do got their job after the bio.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, if.
Speaker 3: You recall the brother Strauss who helmed the Christmas release
Aliens Versus Preader. Requiem stated Fox is going to take
a wait and see approach to a third chapter. Furthermore,
that the story would have to continue in.
Speaker 1: Space long wait and See. We're almost a twenty years
long Wait and See, which again we talked about something
last week, but the fact that releases during Christmas, such
what dummies are doing that? Like that, this is at
least a Halloween release, if not summer.
Speaker 2: The first one too had like snowy environments, so that
would make a bit more sense.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so this came out February in twenty twenty three,
and this is from AVP Galaxy, which, man, they're like
my go to, Like they're the alien Romulus posters that
dropped today, Like, man, they're on it.
Speaker 3: They're interviewing people, They're they're so nitty gritty invents people
are the interviewing, oh like people working on the Romulus
film and stuff like.
Speaker 4: That, the sources from twentieth century.
Speaker 3: They're very much affiliated in there. I think they're at
San Diego Comic Con, like they're they're in the the
thing with with aliens and predators. So they've always been
like a good go to for for me personally. But
I digress. So this is this is interesting. I don't
think I've actually ever read this, but they have. If
you know who Liam O'Donnell is, he worked on the
Skyline movies and he did up a quick treatment for
what AVP three would be. But before I read off that,
the brothers who did a VP two, they were thinking
about a story revolving a special ops team are with
predator technology weaponry going to the pred or home world
or colony to actually go and fight them.
Speaker 1: Does this story explain how the aliens would be involved?
Speaker 3: Well, that that was just the basic pitch that the
brothers were being Now with the aliens being involved, this
is what Liam O'Donnell. He did a treatment for it,
and I'm just I'm just gonna read it off real quick.
Here it's a couple of paragraphs, but this is this
is crazy and where it ties to I think is
is kind of unique. This is kind of like a
chatchept moment almost. That's I wrote this myself here with Chachi.
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted my crew and day. Your script
remind me a lot of chat Cheep teacher, I was.
That's that's what I know. I'll just pack it in
and call it there.
Speaker 3: Uh So, in twenty twenty four, of the world was
steering direction of a world control by corporations rather than states.
Uh So, the treatment describes it as a federation dominated
by the now merged whalen Utani Corporation. Following the retrieval
of the predator plasm pistol at the end of a
VP two and the insights from investigating the alien tech,
the whale Utani Corporation has worked on interstellar engines and
their sites are now set on stars and colonization up above. Unfortunately,
the technology was fueled by a rare mineral that could
only be mine in South Africa. So it focuses around
a small group of human characters. A un peacekeeper, a
local tribal leader from a South African town. It is
set near his son Macall. We have Devlin, the leader
of a rebel group that is opposed to the whale
Utani's increasing influence. The treatment begins when are you and
peacekeeper Rena who travels to South Africa where she finds
herself caught between I guess the local tribal leader and
then the leader of the rebel group who's opposing whaleen Utani.
So there's tension there doing.
Speaker 1: It for so far this corporation in fighting is what
I hear right now for alien versus.
Speaker 3: Predator Devlin's opposition of White New Tiny puts the tribal
village in danger as the corporation reach grows. The villagers
are aware that Devlin is also running a secret mina
in a stockpit in the mineral that fuels Whale New
Twinese engineer plasma technology. A small number of his men
have started to go missing in the mines, and unknown
to them is that an alien hive has been established
in the underground cave system by the alien queen from
the first movie. She is here because global warming has
had a large impact and melted the polar ice caps
and actually freed the queen from her frozen prisons, so
she eventually made a way to South Africa. Much of
the human action and drama comes when Waale New Chinese
private security force attacks the village. The survivors are forced
into the mines and the surrounding African jungle, where they
encounter and are started by aliens and predators. So the
predators are just there, the survivors attempt to get to
their refugee. Their refuge a space ship that the rebel
leader has been secretly building to escape from Earth, powered
by the mineral us mining without the company's knowledge. He
intended to use it to take his people off the
planet to escape the depression of the company. So a
lot of infighting here. Yeah, we're still going. We're introduced
to three predators that are featured what's going on here?
A few paragraphs few, We're introduced to three predators drawn
by the battle and folding between the human forces, described
as twin Predators. They are armed with what would have
been a unique new variation of the plasma cast fire
small caliber plasma blast with a greater rate of fire
and accuracy. Oh my goodness. Working together, twin Predators slaughter rebels,
and then we get an infamous hive battle scene going
on here. That's pretty cool, but I'll skip some here
face huggers.
Speaker 1: So now even see why this treatment didn't make it,
because I feel like it's pretty sounds like almost av
P one where it's a group of people together they
stumble upon the aliens up to something. The preadtors happen
to be there, like it's a it's the same movie
again almost for like, with a few changes.
Speaker 3: So as so it's backtracking as some of their people
are escaping to the alien minds. There's face huggers emerging
near a watering hole where they find lions and they
impregnate the lions. So you get alien lion hybrids.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 3: They're ambushed, predators are taking trophies, Lion aliens are attacking
them branch to branch some crazy ship. And then we
get I'm trying to skip through a lot of this,
because a lot of this is pretty heavy.
Speaker 1: Uh, the predators of note left? Is there anything of
no left?
Speaker 3: There is? There's one key thing I'm trying to I'm
trying to lead to that part. Uh. Predators work together
fighting the quick queen has had from her eggsack. One
of the predators is forced to found out the aliens.
The other is corn off by the queen. Queen tears
a predader in half before it dies, it pins himself
to the queen. The second predator, who's able to evade death,
sees that his brother is dying and retreats. The queen
and the one predator go down a nuclear explosion. So
there's that, dude, So here we go. The rebel leader
and the villager's son are able to escape on the spacecraft.
The young boy is put into crowdsleep, but as traditional,
the alien franchise is one final surprise. The Predator was
able to sneak onto the craft, as was a lone
Alien and a Queen face hugger which we saw in
Alien three.
Speaker 1: Oh Snuck on the Queen Alien snuck on the spacecraft.
Speaker 3: The Alien Predator are baiting traps for each other and invading
other each other's traps. The battle comes to a heat
when Devilin finds both Extra treshis locked in combat near
the airlock and he attempts to jettison them both. The
Alien gains the upper hand and throw the preddit towards
the open door the vacuum, but the preyer is able
to gain momentum Uh or is the alien lose its
own battle gainst rushing vacuums pulled towards the predator. Their
combind waight causes the net to be ripped from the
airlock and both of them go out into the void.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 3: The boy's relief it's surviving the whole encounter short lived
because you knows the predator removed his wrist nuke, an
alien device is counting down. Uh. He ejects the some
ship from the ship and that thing blows up and
he's still on the ship.
Speaker 5: Shut the fuck.
Speaker 6: Okay, So he he goes in his cryo and then
he wakes up being observed by space jockeys who are
there to observe.
Speaker 1: They would have beaten, they would have beat fucking oh
my god, they would have beat Sir Ridley Scott to
the engineers, you fucking yes.
Speaker 3: He wakes up the space shak he's there to watch
an alien come out of his chest and the thing
is there, So the machinery comes down retrieve the zeno.
But then we learned that this is fading out to
the distress call sound of the Derelx spacecraft from the
first Alien movie. There you have.
Speaker 1: You can feel the mana. You can feel the mana.
Speaker 5: I don't know the chills won.
Speaker 1: It works too Phil. So wait a second though, If
it's like alluding to the ship of the first movie,
is that like it was this movie going to take
place in two thoy one whatever.
Speaker 3: This takes places twenty four, But it would have alluded
to the ship crash. Remember we know the ship was
crashed on it.
Speaker 1: That's okay, that ship. Sorry they met Whickley's first ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, no, So this would set up a the
first Alien, and this would basically mean that it's Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm glad they didn't get that far. And I think
I could see why the pitch wasn't it was I'd.
Speaker 3: Say twenty twenty three, So I mean, you never know.
Speaker 1: But that's him just saying that was his treatment that
could have been went from whenever. That doesn't mean he
pitched it. I guarantee you. With them doing Prey and
all these moings, I think they're right now just trying
to get those franchises back to like people enjoy these
things again, you know.
Speaker 3: So you don't you didn't enjoy that?
Speaker 4: Really?
Speaker 1: No, No, A little long in the tooth there. It
just happened that the Queen just happened to end up
where these people were as well too. But I should
try to remember it, maybe, Tay make it known your
rankings you should get not now because we've got two
casts record. You should make a chat GPT for Alien
versus Predator three, not tonight, but you should put that
in your notes and let's try and remember that for
the rankings next.
Speaker 3: The originals or rankings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I said. Rankings episode the perfect time.
Let's see here a VP recommend trivia. In the original script,
the Pedalion was have to died before the prey, seeing
for Dalien's spelled through me for fucking I'm not gonna lie.
It was supposed to die just before the crash the
Presser ship when a the Preader kills it with its cannon,
which occurs on page three or four. A normal alien
would then kill the remaining predators and escape the rec
ship with several face huggers. It was rewritten to incorporate
the bedalien of the movie and make it the main antagonist,
as the studio is very impressed with the concept. So
I'm something that would have been I would have been
pissed if like even more so they tease this thing
and then you know seen three to four, they just
kill it off. That was I guess. An original script
was just I think it was like the whole movie,
but just a regular alien that land like they land
the whole movie happens, except they're just regular aliens. I guess,
so very odd. I told yeah. Preditor was named Wolf
after the Wolf and Paul fiction, So there you go.
Danny Glover, who's Stern Predet, who was considered a Prizes
role as Mike Harrigan, but he had as I now
retired cop, but that didn't happen. Bill Paxson was approached
to play a Dier chief so he could appear in
the second Preader movie, the second Alien movie, in the
second MVP movie, so the second each franchise. But yeah,
but conflicts prevented him from making it. No. I think
the conflicts was a you know, of the brain of
I don't know if I'm gonna do this, but because
they was say, scheduling conflicts, just conflicts. After the controversial
decision of the last film being PG thirteen, it was
decided that in the early stage this movie rad r
because it's what the fans of the series want, So
you got that going on. It was planned to include
and here you go to this might have been some
of your well, I guess not with your treatment. But
here's something that was close to tons a little bit
of that. It was a one time plan to include
shots of the aliens home world as a post credit scene.
Art was created and was even storyboarded, but ultimately the
idea was dropped in favor of using it for a
potential third film, So you go. There was another third
film Taylor that we didn't even know about that was
going to Aliens Home World. This never materialized was a
critical and commercial failure of the film, which is studio
decided to ban the franchise in a favorite prequels, Yeah, okay,
that's sorry, Stuffle Cover. In Prometheus, this is the first
and so far the only film in the series for
the Zeno Wo War to make it to the suburban
setting Amainst Town people. So I guess we'll have to
see again what Alien Earth is? I believe in No, Holly,
I really don't think it's gonna be Aliens on Earth.
I think it has more of a I don't know,
existential meaning, but we will see. I think this show's
come out next year. So we got that popping off
after the movie. The bid alien is said to be
a young queen according to director. As they have said,
it reproduces the way it does before it mature, is
further and becomes a mobile. So I guess it does
eventually become like the queens we know in Love, but
at the beginning can pop off a few little alien babies.
Let's see. This is the only film in franchise that
does not feature any eggs that hatch into face huggers.
So there you go. All the other alien films have
some sort of eggs, but this one does not. At
one point they were concerned to do this as three D,
but they dropped it as it was too expensive and
the projection was too dark.
Speaker 2: There was a shot and I can't remember what it
was now, but it was something flying at the camera
that screamed me like, oh, that was definitely like four
or three version, and I can't maybe it was like
one of the thinkings or something.
Speaker 3: It's when Dallas is on the roof and he's like
charging the gun. He's like fuck you, and he shoots
the alien and the alien's head spins up.
Speaker 1: Right. That was one. Yes, Oh I hate that Dallas
easily took out that one, but uh yeah, that's uh.
I bet that's why that shot was in there. But
I just love that they were like it might be
too dark as well. So where way to go, cinematographer.
You screwed yourself out of three D? But yeah, that's
it for trivia, there wasn't much. There's a bunch of
stuff built suits and everything. But I will go first
because I don't fous little than me. I will scot
a bit lower than Alien versus I'll give this a
point five. There's still enough for me not to give
this a zero, but last week was one. This is
a point five. You know, I like the pretty Alien.
There's a couple of fun little subversions. I like they
went they went for it, darkness, they went for it.
Just wish it was in a better film, and and
that was about it. And yeah, if I have my
brothers my choice, I'll never need to watch this again.
And I do not think AVP it could get worse,
but it somehow did here. So yeah, point five out
of ten for me.
Speaker 2: I'll go three point seven five. I think I gave
the first one six what was all said and done,
But so this had a few things that were kind
of enjoyable, but it's it's bad, not good.
Speaker 5: Not gonna watch it again. Ever, I think.
Speaker 4: I think it might go four point two on this one,
not even a quarter.
Speaker 5: I think three scores combined are gonna equal Taylor's score.
Speaker 3: I am gonna give it a nine out of ten.
I'm not gonna give it a full ten to ten
because the darkness factor it does pull me out. That's
really the only major thing. I freaking love this movie though,
holy shit, I will I'll definitely watch it again this year.
It's just such as it's just a great yeh, Like
I feel like it's just yeah, god damn, it's great.
It's a great movie. It's not perfect, but it's just
great for how crazy it is and how bold that
they decide to take certain directions just with the killing
and just the stories and the sceneries and everything that
they just dive into. I feel like it's a fan
film concept that it's just been given a real Hollywood budget,
so it doesn't feel like it's a fan film. But
it's just this is so wonky to get like Suburbia, Predator,
Aliens going crazy, and I just I eat this movie
up and it's a nostalgic kick for me, just like
the first one is so nice.
Speaker 1: There you go. So, ladies, gentlemen, that is it for
this next week, you will be getting Prometheus, where we
go back to the beginning. How do we all get here?
And how do they deconize these movies? But enjoy that,
and I promise you it'll not be boring.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: But