Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons. Throwing some ice
mix in some vodka. A podcast from the Mac of
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Dots jeep Ram. It's Billified the Bill Moran Podcast. Well,
hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your pot on. Thanks
for telling a friend. That's how we spread the word
about the pirate chip. Laura's here, She's ready, ready tonight.
Speaker 2: I hope to guest cancels.
Speaker 1: I talked to this person, but I was worried that
she may be too clinical. I don't know, I don't
know how. I don't know how she would be. She
is soft spoken.
Speaker 3: The word vulva at any point, well, well you.
Speaker 2: Can try to get her.
Speaker 1: To say vulva.
Speaker 2: This is going to be a huge letdown. The passion
good pop simply be.
Speaker 1: I reached out to a bunch of swingers on Instagram,
but I had to follow all of them to message.
Speaker 3: Should have had your lady friend reach out to a
bunch of swingers.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, right, because that's what she wants on her
I understand, but.
Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta take on podcast.
Speaker 1: Wrote a book. She thinks you would love her book.
It kind of gives you how to get into this
and what is okay and what's not okay. And she
says she's good for your reverend stuff. So we'll find
out a copy of she'll be we'll try to talk
her into that. Okay, she'll be on in about a
half hour, so we can.
Speaker 4: Tell her about the book I gave you for your birthday.
Speaker 1: The other that's right, it's right over here. Uh. I
got all the nude photos in it.
Speaker 4: That's right, man, we'll be talking about some nude photos today.
Speaker 1: Why did you take some over the weekend.
Speaker 3: No, we're able to secure the request I had from you,
like a week and a half ago.
Speaker 1: What was that?
Speaker 4: Requests kind of asked for one of the people who
had sent me or showed me something to sund it.
Speaker 1: But they said they showed you. They never said it.
Speaker 4: I did not want it, but I love photos.
Speaker 3: But if you get it, we can do things with it.
We can make it dance and we can make it
sitting at the beach.
Speaker 2: Oh, you can make it sing, make it ai, no wonder.
I don't want to send you a picture. Ship Joe,
send you a picture is going to share to everybody guys,
look at one of the one thousand.
Speaker 4: Do that would not not when I'm in a relationship
with him.
Speaker 3: Side by side with the other one.
Speaker 1: But if it ended, if it.
Speaker 4: Ends, well, no, he's it's not gonna end. But you
know the other excess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got you, I hear you.
Speaker 4: I got him right here.
Speaker 1: I think it was a pretty exciting opening weekend for
of the NFL. Great. I mean, there were some pretty
good games. You know.
Speaker 2: I thought the Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: Atlanta game was actually more entertaining than I thought it
was going to be.
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh game was exciting.
Speaker 1: The Jacks Pittsburgh game was very exciting. Are not the
worst TVs?
Speaker 2: Just aren't they good?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure because the Jelphins are pretty bad. The
Dolphins look terrible. They lost to the Colts, right, they lost.
Speaker 3: To Daniel Jones in the coult.
Speaker 2: That's my buddies team DJ. You know the guy that
you met. Yeah, he was beside himself yesterday. He's like,
how do you come out this lame on the week
opening day? But it happens.
Speaker 3: We were debating whether or not he was gonna get fired.
Speaker 1: Today it's week one.
Speaker 2: I watched next week they come out and score forty
points right next week?
Speaker 1: Uh and Newton, New England. Did the Raiders win that game?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they couldn't cover Brock Powers or Kobe Myers
at all.
Speaker 2: Yeahs wants to be traded. You guys should look into
the up in Kansas City. I know you did.
Speaker 3: He was good and uh, he keeps catching seven hundred
balls in a game. He doesn't need to be traded.
He's all right.
Speaker 1: That Buffalo game was nuts. I mean, what the fuck happened?
Speaker 2: I went to bed.
Speaker 1: So so here's the thing is, Like I saw the interception.
Speaker 3: Derek Henry Randa Syracuse.
Speaker 1: I lost, Yeah, and I saw I'm like one time,
I go, I go in, I go, I'm gonna start
getting ready for bed. Now I don't know what I've
signed up for on my phone, but I'm getting every score.
Every time somebody scores and the games live, I get
an update on that score of the game.
Speaker 2: So no, because I was getting that.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm flossing my teeth and I slicked down
and I see and I go, oh my god, they're
they could score and be within like a field goal.
And so I get in bed and I put on
the Peacock app on my phone and I watched the
rest of the game and I'm like, oh my god,
I missed the fumble. I missed the Derrek Henry fumble.
That was kind of the turning point. And man, I mean,
do not have any quit in you?
Speaker 2: You were down?
Speaker 1: Was there five minutes left in the game? Man?
Speaker 2: Four and they're down fifteen?
Speaker 4: God, there's a stat there I saw today.
Speaker 3: I mean, no team has ever lost having rushing two
hundred and thirty five yards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, forty thirty five rushing yards. Teams were two hundred
seventy seven and oh yeah, so now to seventy seven
and one that that's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And you gotta go.
Speaker 2: It was Josh in the end, Josh, I mean the
whole team is Josh.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a worry. That's a that's a real worry.
Speaker 2: Although she found that team they win two games. Don't
tell me the defense is good.
Speaker 1: No, I said, the defense actually did okay at times.
Speaker 3: But you're your defensive line did okay, Yeah, but you're you're.
Speaker 1: What Oliver did a right and Bosta did okay. I thought,
But then you see what was the play where all
of a sudden Lamar Jackson runs scrambles, he's back twenty
yards and then gets a fifteen yards fast the line
of scrims for a first down. I go, what the
fuck just happened? Like they were going insane, and then
in the end it was Yeah.
Speaker 2: If I'm harball, it's fourth and three. Yeah, I'm going
for it. You couldn't stop Josh Allen in the fourth quarter.
Why would you punt the ball and give it back
to him?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: They won't got to get a field goal. If they
need a touchdown, I get it. Yeah, field goal. I
need three yards and I know them was cramping up.
Call time out. You had three timeouts? Yeah, call time out.
You got Henry, you got Jackson. They don't know who's
gonna run the ball, No, they don't. You could run
Jackson as a decoy. You could run Henry's a decoy
and the other guy could run it. There's no way
I'm putting that ball back to Josh. Yeah now that, Jeff.
Speaker 4: I mean, Derek Henry did so good yesterday except for
always does he kills the monster. He is such an
elite player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a He's a freaking monster. But I have
to ask this, and I don't know if anybody else
saw it. Text coming into five A five two oh
six eighty eight sixty six saying that a lot of
the Bill's fans were thrown shit in the end zone
when Baltimore scored, and I thought I saw something on TV.
And then when the players were the Baltimore players after
they scored, what there was some interaction between a fan
and Lamar and.
Speaker 2: Get the guy in the head. He hit Hopkins on
the head and that's when he went to hit Lamar
and Lamar jack. Now the guy's been a suspended from
every stadium in the NFL. Can I go to a
game him? Was he trying to tap him? Because going
to try to slap him on the hell helmet it
hurts it echoes and yeah it does. You can't be
touching players like that. So I was gonna say he's
a drunk fuck and help themselves. They look like some
of those ship we got.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then Josh Allen after the game said this, I.
Speaker 5: Learned his lesson tonight, because when you come into Highmark
Stadium and you disrespect the Bills fan, you leave in
a fucking body bag. A man gotta have a code
in the moment I saw that greasy little hood rats
in the third quarter, I saw blood fucking red, and
I knew I'd get my revenge.
Speaker 6: AI scary because it all sounds exactly what Joe texted me.
Speaker 4: He sent me that link and he goes, AI is scary.
Speaker 2: AI is scary, man.
Speaker 1: It sounds like I mean, it sounds exactly similar to
Josh Allen. I mean, if you listen to it, you know,
he definitely didn't say that, but I'm thinking the fans
in general, you can't fucking do that. No, and people well,
and I was actually bothered when I thought I saw
something on the field and then I saw the text
coming into the text line, and I'm like, I guess
it did happen because they weren't showing that ship on
TV as much.
Speaker 2: They seen the move the way celebration didn't really show
it because they had the camera in front of the guy. Yeah,
so the other angle shows it really well, but the
camera they showed on TV last night wasn't showing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Here's the question I posted to Bill's fans at worked today. Though,
A did Matt Prater put Tyler Bass out of a job?
And B would Tyler Bass have made that kick because
he's had a history of missing winning kicks.
Speaker 2: I would take Praider anyways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I take him over a Bass all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can go to forty five Kerry Anderson. I
think was forty six when he retired.
Speaker 4: It wasn't a long kick though.
Speaker 1: Wasn't fifty something? Yeah, I thought there was thirty something
and then but he the NFL. But he did hit
a fifty five I thought earlier the game or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a long one earlier. He has also
got the record for the longest until yesterday. Did a
Jacksonville guy really hit a seventy?
Speaker 3: That was in pre season?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay, somebody told me happened yesterday? I didn't hear.
Speaker 4: Was that game?
Speaker 2: Was that game delayed for a little lightning?
Speaker 1: Oh? Got it?
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't watch an hour and a half or
two hours? How bad did jackson think? Okay, Carolina got crushed.
They're bad?
Speaker 3: Are they Saints? Bad?
Speaker 2: Saints aren't going to be that bad if they play
like they did yesterday. I mean Atlanta is going to
be a solid team. Yeah, Arizona, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I think the Saints are awful.
Speaker 2: They're going to be the worst. It's going to be
between them and Carolina.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the most teams, the Dolphins could sneak in,
so they could. They could, That's definitely true.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was an exciting opening weekend, that's all I know.
And then I saw the fan interaction to Buffalo. I
didn't see any other ship going on in any other stadium,
and I go, Buffalo, come on, come.
Speaker 2: On, it happens at every stadium. Yeah, I guess, but
that's you know, guys tailgating all day, and it's all day,
you got it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I have people that got their summer loot
was sold out at eleven thirty.
Speaker 1: I saw that on.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't think they allowed them to open before stadium.
Speaker 4: The stadium lots don't open until like four hours before
the other lots.
Speaker 3: Private lights.
Speaker 1: Oh so the private lots, Oh, that's where you're going
and getting it on buddy the Kevin was going to
Buffalo yesterday and what did you see? Somebody hit a bear?
Speaker 3: We hit a bear on the through way. I'm looking
at him like, that's not a deer. It was a
dark brown and I'm like, I think it's a bear.
Speaker 4: Did the bear survive.
Speaker 3: Bear was laying there motionless.
Speaker 2: Oh that's wow. So just like the Chicago Bears. Yeah okay, and.
Speaker 3: Somebody else said it at the rink and like I
kind of thought it was a.
Speaker 2: Bear hit a bear like Pembroke.
Speaker 1: Wow, look at this, Dallas looked pretty good.
Speaker 2: I have to say pretty good.
Speaker 1: You know, pretty good.
Speaker 2: Doesn't wink wins though, no one. That's all that matters,
because we can get this here, right So, but I
do forget can.
Speaker 1: Locked for now.
Speaker 2: I have him going eleven and six, win a division. Okay,
win the championship game in losing, and I'd be happy.
Betb would fire pizza real map Bro. But I just
gotta say, hell of time for an advertisement.
Speaker 3: You can soak in the in the back room, and
you can soak in the back round sake the table
for it.
Speaker 1: You could soak with these, uh, soak your your meatball
grinder right into the sauce.
Speaker 2: It's delicious. That is unbelievable. That's kind of man. She
makes great meatbolls.
Speaker 1: Oh the meatballs are great. They're big, big meatballs.
Speaker 3: They're baseball sized.
Speaker 1: And is it garlic bread?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then nice what kind of cheese is on there. Yeah,
I eat it so fast.
Speaker 3: You took a chip I could need it picking it up,
I had to go for a knife. You took the
chance with the white shirt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he.
Speaker 4: Doesn't know what you're giving him.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 1: No, I opened it up and see it just like
when I cut it in half and I picked it
up and I go, I'm going to save the other half.
Speaker 2: And all of us blindfold and stuff shoved in their mouths.
It's just you. Oh, I think that's Tony.
Speaker 1: You got the fried green tomato sliders so good.
Speaker 4: I told Nat. I was like, I don't know if
I've ever had them. It tastes like a belt, like
a lightly fried BLT.
Speaker 2: So good.
Speaker 4: And there's crispy bacon. So that's my thing.
Speaker 1: Matt. What's the soup that you were mentioning that people
are just raving.
Speaker 2: About Tuscan sausage and potato. Yeah, yeah, that is a
chicken palm soup. This for the fall to really, which
is phenomenal. Good weekend with the NFL. Wee little little
light last night for the Bills game. It's Sunday night.
Sunday hard. Hell wants to come out hard. It's hard
because you're a little lighter than usual.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the but the other stuff was great. How
was Thursday?
Speaker 2: For it was jam? Yeah, Dallas kicking it off opening
night is always great.
Speaker 1: I thought for sure. I was really thinking Dallas was
going to win the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh uh, they look good. You gotta have. I mean, look,
it's one game, like it's so early in the season.
Speaker 2: Victories here, Okay, participation in in one move out of
the Giants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well and they probably will for sure. Yeah, all right,
we'll take a moment and we will. Uh, it's it's
your segment next. I have a nice song for you too,
a nice old country song. Yeah, just for you for.
Speaker 2: I thought things.
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Seven Lessons on Love and Life from a non Monogamist.
So are you ready? Oh, I'm gonna bring her on.
Do you want to start with us some questions? First
of all, thank you for taking the time to talk
to us, Lauren. I appreciate that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, my pleasure.
Speaker 1: So we talked a little bit before we came on
the podcast with her and introduced I had to introduce Laura.
Laura has said that she is so excited she stopped
before she came to the podcast tonight got Wine picked
up wine and claims that she has a vibrator somewhere
in her person.
Speaker 3: Joke.
Speaker 4: I made the joke that I was gonna have to
bring a vibrator here, but then I said I actually
didn't because you have your fingers everywhere. But I did
bring I'm.
Speaker 7: Glad I would inspire such things.
Speaker 1: Oh nice, Now Laura is very interested. We and I
had talked to Lauren, go ahead.
Speaker 4: I feel like before we get to any questions I have,
we need to let Lauren explain what she actually does.
Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds like. That sounds pretty good actually, because
it's a lifestyle swing well apparently she is. She's been,
so this has been I mean, come on, this is
her super Bowl, right. We talked about two.
Speaker 4: Years in the making of meeting on the podcast.
Speaker 1: So yeah, what what does a lifeyuh lifestyle swinging coach do?
Speaker 7: Yeah? So, at the heart of it, I am a
really relationship coach and sorry, are you getting some weird
feedback from my thing? I feel like I'm getting weird feedback.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not going to you.
Speaker 7: I am a relationship coach. And the one thing I
do want to distinguish right away is because the name
of my business is swinging lifestyle coach, there's this idea
that I'm coaching people into being swingers or into ethical
non monogamy. Ethical non monogamy is a term I'm going
to use a lot in our conversation, and I am
going to use an M a lot for that, just
so we all know what we're talking about. Also known
as CNM, consensual non monogamy or just open marriage, lots
of terms anyway. Yeah, so really I work with couples
that are either interested, curious, or some people that are
actually in the lifestyle in swinging and just having some issues.
Speaker 1: Have you been Were you a swing or are you
a swinger? I am you are?
Speaker 2: So how how does that like?
Speaker 1: To me? That was always a tough thing, Like I
can see the intrigue in doing it, but how do
you I don't know, like he come home, come home
and go like, how do you share that with the
other person without feeling jealous? Is my point?
Speaker 7: Share what you're interested in it? This is even before
you're interested. Is that what you mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, before you're interested. I always feel like somebody's more
into it in the couple than the other person.
Speaker 7: Would that be fair to say, Well, there's always going
to be someone who brings it up every once in
a while some other There's actually a common way that
people will start exploring is through their own bedroom talk.
So they'll have a lot of talk about people watching
them or other things, and one day they kind of
turn to each other and they go, do we really
want to do that in real life? And then you know,
so it's kind of a joint venture, if you will.
And then.
Speaker 1: Is watching the gateway good?
Speaker 7: Maybe, I mean not necessarily, but it's definitely a first
step that people can do and go to a club
and not be participating. And that's one thing I want
to talk about for sure, is all the different levels
that you can and don't have to participate.
Speaker 3: And Laura wants to start the top of that list,
and we're no, No.
Speaker 4: I want to know actually how you started into this
because were you a marriage counselor or.
Speaker 7: I was so like our friend Bill here, I had
a late career transition, okay, and during COVID, I asked
myself that question that somebody did in COVID of what
I really want to be when I grow up and
personal development, personal growth, spirituality has always been a big
part of my life, and so I just pivoted and
made that my career and did coaching. At that time.
We had already been swinging for UH when I started
my program, I think two years, and so I that
was my inspiration also is I wanted to help people
in the process that my husband and I sort of
stumbled through and most people do stumble through, just kind
of figuring it out one thing at a time. But
that's what I what I do is I help people
do it so they don't feel like they're stumbling.
Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm going to reference one of the things
that I feel like when I started to have like curiosity,
I was still married but not necessarily happily, and I
read Esther Perel's books. Is she someone who started influenced
you and realized.
Speaker 2: Who's Esther Perrell?
Speaker 1: When you're by the way, the name Esther, that's like
an old lady name.
Speaker 4: She is an old lady and she's fucking amazing, and
she was brilliant and opened my mind, like cheating isn't
black and white, and you know, there's what works for
one couple may not be for another couple and everything.
So I'm just wondering if that's sort.
Speaker 7: Of yeah, very she's very mainstream. She's one of the
bigger names in the relationship world. And just so people know,
she's very mainstream. She's not, you know, like I am
a swinging lifele coach. She doesn't identify in that way.
She just says a lot of things that if you know,
you know, yeah, and she's read a lot of or
written a lot of great books.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, how did you get into I mean, who's
I I guess I'll start with that. Whose idea and
your relationship was it to explore swinging?
Speaker 7: Yeah, so this is kind of a two part story.
At one point some friends of ours who are polyamorous
approached me asking if we were polyamorous because they had
interested in getting to know us better. We were not
at the time, and we are still not poly by
the way. That's one thing I'm going to define a
few things while we go through this, because its own world,
its own language, and so under the umbrella of ethical nominogamy,
there's polyamory, which people are having multiple committed emotional relationships.
On the other end, just sort of swinging, which is
more sex and friendship, and then you have everything in between.
Speaker 4: Because everybody.
Speaker 1: Because that it sounds like, so there you're in a
committed relationship with more than one person.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so that's polyamory, and polyamory actually gets more media's
too much.
Speaker 2: I don't want that.
Speaker 3: I don't need that.
Speaker 2: Disappointed at me.
Speaker 7: A lot of people are starting to equate ethical non
monogamy with polyamory, just because polyamory is sort of out
in the ethers a little bit more, but in fact,
not the same thing at all, as Laura is starting
to say, And well, not that they're not the same
at all, they actually require a lot of the same
skills and relationship skills to be participating in either way.
And there's also a lot of crossover in both directions.
And so once you get into this and m world,
there are different communities. And then also everybody is like
defining what works for them. You know, if you're doing
this as a couple, you do what works for you.
So a lot of people don't even like to be
put into one of these boxes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I understand that that's like something I
have no interest in. I hardly have enough time to
give to my boyfriend and children, and so.
Speaker 2: This is like, in other words, hang on.
Speaker 1: A second. Polyamory would be like, let's say you have
three girlfriends. No, I'm with you, and I'm I'm with
Laura and Lauren, and sometimes I get your names mixed up.
But so like I go out to dinner with you
on Tuesday and her on Thursday, but I sleep with
you Friday and maybe you Sunday. Is that yeah, Yeah,
I mean it could be so yeah, where everybody comes
together and it's like a snow globe of humanity in there.
Speaker 7: Really exactly, I will say, there are aspects and we
can get into this later in the E and M
community that are slightly utopian, but we will get into
that later because that's the same. Okay, But here to
go back to my story. So we had people approach
us if we were polyamorous. No, we weren't, but I
was super curious when he asked me, and I said,
you know, that's fascinating, so tell me all about it.
So that was probably about six years before my husband
then did bring it up again. So we both asked
a lot of questions. It was very fascinating, but we
did not have interest in doing that at the time.
Then about six seven years later, he brought it up.
Brought and when I say it up, he said, I
feel like there's just something more And I was like, well,
I what does that even mean? Like you want a girlfriend?
Speaker 2: And he's I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't know what it means. I don't want a girlfriend,
but I feel like there's something more And that started
our exploration into what ended up being swinging.
Speaker 4: So did you start with like I see I'm very
interested in the voyeur as a mass BacT like people watching, Yeah,
watch like yeah watching people like with my boyfriend, but
he has absolutely no interests.
Speaker 1: Okay, so hang on, is her relationship doomed?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 4: Oh, and it's the best relationship I've ever been in.
So also that there was somebody in between my ex
and my boyfriend that is not not a good person,
but like he was very like, oh, let's try this,
let's see, you know, and so like I got really excited,
and like sexuality peaked and interest peaked, and then that ended.
And now I'm with someone who's like, I won't send photos,
I won't do anything like that.
Speaker 1: Is there a way to encourage Let's let's say honestly, like,
if she came to you for counseling, could you coach
up her boyfriend to say, hey, just snap a photo.
You don't have to look at it, just snap and send.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 4: Okay, So that actually there's no way to thank somebody's.
Speaker 7: Back to the exact thing I said when we opened up,
I said I'm a relationship coach, because otherwise people think
I'm coaching them into.
Speaker 2: Oh I got you, I got you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but he wants. She wants that stuff
and he's not given it to her. So how do
we get him to give her what she wants?
Speaker 2: That's the question.
Speaker 7: We all want lots of things, and it's great that
she's asking love it, and he might say no for
the rest of their lives, and that's all something she's
going to have to accept.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, look at that. Yeah you can't for
I mean, I know I will say all kidding aside,
all jokes, like you cannot assert on someone. You just can't.
Speaker 2: There's no no, I don't think it. It'll destroy it.
Speaker 1: And that's why I always wonder with this, and that's
my curiosity was more how do you balance it and
make it work? And it sounds like some people that
I've read say their relationship is way better after swinging
because they're better at communicating and stuff, and that's weird.
But I would be like, you know, if I'm all
of a sudden, we are The grocery chain around here
is called Wegmans. So if I'm in Wegmans and I
look up and there's I'm gonna change the name because
I almost said it, there's Tom down the aisle, and
I know Tom just tapped my wife two nights ago.
Speaker 2: I don't know I do I walk by high five?
I don't even know what I say to this guy.
Speaker 1: And that's me. That's a me problem, really, right, Yeah,
I mean I would say it is. I mean, I
couldn't handle it.
Speaker 7: They're coming at it from someone who's uninvolved. So if
he did actually go out with your wife, you probably
know him. You've probably had conversations with him, and or
you know of him through your wife and you are
one hundred percent okay with it, and he knows about you,
So yes, you're gonna approach each other and have a hey,
how's it going conversation? And if you wanted to high
five him, that probably would have happened before the time.
Speaker 1: Well it's fair too.
Speaker 4: What I say is it's like, how do I know
what I like and what I don't like? Because I
haven't pushed my own boundaries enough and I've talked about that,
but it may be something that I would actually if
I dip my toes in a little more. I'm so
apprehensive to it and I'm like, no, this isn't for me,
But there's such a curiosity and I definitely know it's
more the voyeurism that like sex and public places, and
that has been around for a while.
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the saying curiosity kills the cat kill?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: I think that if you're curious, are there ways how
would you.
Speaker 2: Well?
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Speaker 4: If they have a partner, Let's say, yeah, if both
partners are interested in it.
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And ferris so somebody sent me all this stuff On
the are we dating the? Same guy rochester? Dot com
and apparently somebody somebody WROTE, and i OF course. I
can't i don't, have ACCESS so i can't go look
at this. Stuff MYSELF but i thought it sounded like
maybe A. Bitter x but she lists that this guy
is a chiropractor and that anybody else.
Speaker 2: Have sex with. The chiropractor let me SEE if i
have it.
Speaker 3: RIGHT here i would love to know if your new
lady friend that's checks you out on?
Speaker 4: THERE yet.
Speaker 8: I.
Speaker 4: SAW it i forget what day.
Speaker 1: It was, you know that's an INTERESTING question i should, have,
asked Actually because i've never been. On, there, yeah okay
so they show the guy and it's Chiropractor In. North
childlie has he had sex with you during? An appointment to?
Come on? Come? ON yeah, I know i.
Speaker 2: Don't KNOW sometimes i agree. With you it's somebody's. Just bitter.
Speaker 8: This Is what.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering so that WAS what. I thought and can
you pass? This down matt knows a lot. Of people
just take a look at the just. TO see i
don't it doesn't say the. Guy's name did it?
Speaker 2: Go dark you?
Speaker 1: Lost?
Speaker 2: It, oh here give back to Me and i'll SEE
if i can.
Speaker 1: GET it i just want to See if matt would know,
the person because.
Speaker 4: What day was? It posted is It?
Speaker 1: LIKE saturday i guess somebody showed me send it, to
ME so i don't.
Speaker 3: Even know she's really a blonde?
Speaker 1: That guy do you know him.
Speaker 2: At, all okay, ALL right i.
Speaker 1: Wasn't sure just he looks part for like a hooligan's kind.
Speaker 8: Of.
Speaker 2: Guy YEAH so, i mean so this girl, is, going
oh did he have a sex with you durningy? Appointment,
too yeah you dirty. Little horror and if he did it,
with you and probably did with, somebody else take, your dirty,
skinky asshole.
Speaker 1: That may be the best thing.
Speaker 7: To.
Speaker 1: Say uh but then there's a whole bunch Of stuff laura.
After that did you?
Speaker 4: Find, Him no i'm trying, to SEARCH but i know somebody.
Speaker 1: Sent me a bunch of shit that this. THEY wrote
i followed all one hundred and sixty seven comments before it,
was REMOVED and i can tell you at least three
women came forward about having relations with him at his practice. During,
appointments now is he like a?
Speaker 4: Smooth, TALKER no i think it's. A, fantasy again you.
Speaker 1: Think it's a Fantasy because i've Had he's.
Speaker 3: Sometimes the adjustments they get into it's almost like a
massage where they get into the spot and she gets
a little turned on and maybe she just turns over, and, says.
Speaker 4: HEY but i go YOU can i see a picture of?
Speaker 5: Him?
Speaker 2: Again yeah how does.
Speaker 1: It that that's the PART that i don't understand how
it happens, is like what do you you KNOW what,
i mean like a.
Speaker 4: Little flirt, but again chiropractor appointments are, normally short so
you must be. Very, quick.
Speaker 3: Yes but the louder that you known when you get that, Good, relief,
yeah pops a disc Gets your.
Speaker 2: There's not a lot chirotractors Listed In north childie didn't
list his.
Speaker 1: Name, Or no i'm not seeing. His name it, just,
says yeah they don't have at least not in The thing.
I'm seeing but let me go back through the COMMENTS
because I have i should have pre read THESE and,
i haven't so this will be The, FIRST yeah.
Speaker 4: I didn't, I again I think i was like Scrolling
on facebook that day and it, popped up BUT then
i went back and looked at.
Speaker 3: It and it.
Speaker 1: Was, gone, well now so people are writing on There
like i'm wondering, that too and the other people are sex.
WITH them i don't think it should be swept under.
The rug somebody else, Writes, agree well he didn't, Rape
you That's What i'm this scares the shit out of
me because all of, a sudden.
Speaker 2: Now you can.
Speaker 4: Be, posted well not only can you.
Speaker 2: Be posted but you could have your entire reputation in.
Speaker 1: Business destroyed and let's say you did make a, decision one,
You know friday afternoon before, happy hour and you, tapped uh, Bad.
Speaker 4: BACK betty, i mean maybe you shouldn't be fucking in.
Speaker 2: Your, work, okay, okay okay You're, a chiropractorice some guy
wants to, fuck you and that's. Not okay oh, she
was she was making. A joke, I mean i know
you never worked in, frontier field but some.
Speaker 1: People have somebody said he also had a prison a,
business PRIOR and i believe lost his license or something
and had to start a new one with a, new
name et cetera a long. Time ago see this is like. The,
ship yeah say. It's, repetition well it's a pattern if
the guy's got a pattern. Of BEHAVIOR but i want
to know what chiropractor IS because i see one out
There and i'm jealous if he doesn't. Fuck me like
if you found out your chiropractor was banging your best friend.
Speaker 2: And never wanted to, touch you you.
Speaker 4: It's, Insulting right my chiropractor is like seventy five, Years
Old so.
Speaker 3: I'm glad so if you walk into the chiropractor's office
and it smells, like, sex yeah is that a? Bad
thing is that ruined?
Speaker 8: The?
Speaker 2: Fantasy yeah probably.
Speaker 1: Ruined call back to? Your? SEX yeah i Just, don't
yeah but what Is the i'm not SURE that i like,
this SITE and i don't know that it's very helpful.
For people it Sounds like.
Speaker 4: I've talked i've SAID that i think it can be
helpful if you're being honest on it or like just
really looking for feedback. Or cautious I'VE said i have
commented on a. Few things i've seen a few People
who i've gone on dates with posted and people, are,
like hey does anyone know about? This guy and there
was one GUY that i wrote like he tried to.
Assault me and then, you know there was another, guy
WHO like i went on a few, dates WITH and i,
was like you.
Speaker 1: Stop once in, a while but for the three or
four good people, like, you.
Speaker 6: Well and, That's true so you got to use your,
own judgment, like yeah, because sometimes like, you know the
real Housewives, of, webster yeah turned into fourteen year old
girls that are just gonna gossip and ship on.
Speaker 1: Each other.
Speaker 4: But then there's like a lot of times people, post
anonymous so it's like you can't see who, it is
and then people will. REPLY anonymous i do think that
it is a, good website, but people just, like anywhere
people try to just fuck other, people over.
Speaker 2: You, know.
Speaker 4: YEAH like i.
Speaker 2: Imagine it are you?
Speaker 1: A member like imagine? A member but do you have
to be with what happened with.
Speaker 3: He's also?
Speaker 4: A client think about what Happened to Greg when greg
got posted on people people could do something just out,
of spite and that's.
Speaker 2: NOT fair i feel what.
Speaker 4: IT is i do think that there is a lot
of people who. DO that i also think there are
a lot of dumb fucking women out there who date
pieces of ship that are sleeping with five other, women,
girl yeah and may fall for the lies and then
maybe they realize, that.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay but what's on the guys one or guys?
Speaker 4: Like that probably me do they?
Speaker 2: GET masked i feel like it's a lot of times
it's like they're pissed off AT the x or whatever
and they'll poster her like, yeah, everybody, yeah yeah it's.
It's stupid they stay away because you know that's what,
they're writing and, you Know and i'm thinking that it's
probably like some bitter thirty.
Speaker 1: Five year old younger guy that's that's a little. Pissed,
off well whether, OR not i. Don't know you've been on, There, apparently.
Speaker 3: Yeah back in my thirties.
Speaker 2: Affliction shirt have you ever.
Speaker 1: Seen a dude who you recognize from?
Speaker 5: The?
Speaker 2: Site? Walking well the guys don't they? Post? Women oh they.
Post women, i'm sorry it's always anonymous because they have.
Speaker 1: No, balls, yeah dude you ever see women that have been?
Speaker 2: Posted? Walking, OKAY yeah i have never known anybody it's been.
Speaker 4: Posted either i've known so many people who have been.
Speaker 2: Posting it they'll post. A lot, it's one maybe a couple.
Speaker 4: Of, Weeks maybe, OH god i had to scroll to
find two. Days, ago really people are posted.
Speaker 2: Guys all the times?
Speaker 7: In?
Speaker 1: Hour now is this mostly women who, are like, let's
say i'll call, it, recycling right they've been married and
now they're back in the dating game and they feel
like they're going to, get hurt and so they're they're
looking to.
Speaker 4: BE hurt i feel like it's definitely more the thirty
to fifty year. Old, women yeah it's not the twenty
year olds who are posting you know they're still going
out and meeting On At. Eastern, alexander right it's not
it's definitely they're. Not, yet, no NO but i hear
there's a lot of, Websites like i'm not going to
show this man, on camera but this was posted twenty two.
Hours ago he's definitely an. Older guy.
Speaker 1: What does? It say there's poor chop like it just
looks like he had a couple. Of beers he Looks Like.
Speaker 2: Jim, kelly yah the.
Speaker 1: Bills won came back.
Speaker 4: In one it says his name and then it says
any tea or. Red flags nobody, has replied but then.
Speaker 2: Dot com any, Red, flags yes you're posting this period
is a red flag.
Speaker 1: For us you're the red.
Speaker 3: Flag exactly.
Speaker 4: I'll see the most recent was one, hour ago one,
hour ago.
Speaker 1: One hour it's A, fucking monday and guyn't he hasn't
Called for.
Speaker 4: Saturday yet it's a guy standing at. A, corner yeah,
you know side profile picture and it says tea on
him and he there's seventeen comments. About, him really how
many baby mamas does? He, got okay straight bum things.
Speaker 3: Like that it's a lot of.
Speaker 1: Stupid, shit, yeah okay but you can learn something if.
YOU'RE curious i guess about The person i'm NOT.
Speaker 4: Gonna i used To, It's joe sure as hell.
Speaker 2: You, did yeah why tried to look him up?
Speaker 4: On there yeah he wasn't.
Speaker 1: On there why don't you can't you just? Trust?
Speaker 3: SOMEBODY well.
Speaker 1: I, don't know by, the way as a fifty something
year old. White guy SO and i realized That as i'm,
saying it because When he matt just said you, CAN'T
today I think matt's way more CORRECT than. I AM
so i, Don't KNOW but i don't know what it's like.
For women it's got to be a little scary to
meet somebody Dating app i'll say two.
Speaker 4: Personal experiences there was one GUY who i went on a.
Date with he worked AT fat x. Or whatever we
went to b side. Right here this is the guy
who ended up putting his like first time hands around,
my neck said like. Your mind then practically Was like
i'm coming over to, your house tried to pick me
up and carry me out to.
Speaker 3: MY car.
Speaker 4: I called he, asked me does anyone know? Who you
where you are? RIGHT now i, Called NAY like.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 4: It WAS like i met him for, one drink but.
Speaker 3: Based on, previous story was also kind of half. Turned
on he stood up in.
Speaker 4: THE restaurant i, was like this is, my GIRLFRIEND but i, was,
Like dude i'm meeting you for. One drink it. Was
terrified so he. GOT posted i, was like he, got posted.
Speaker 1: You's got to get the package there.
Speaker 4: On time he, got posted and his ex wife commented
about how like physically abusive. He was and then that
is one PERSON who, i COMMENTED and, I was i
went on one date. With him he made me feel.
Incredibly unsafe where did you?
Speaker 2: Meet?
Speaker 1: Him what what site did you meet? Him on do?
You know i'm assuming it was a. Dating, sign yeah
it was Probably.
Speaker 2: Like tinder so you were still in the bar when he,
Grabbed you, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And no one and no one could really, see it
right because he's.
Speaker 4: Got to like we were sitting up against, b, sides
small sitting up against the back of, the wall and
you like put his hand right around my neck and
ask does anyone know where you are?
Speaker 2: Right now he just fucking punch them in. A.
Speaker 1: DICK no i got up and, Just, laughed hey if
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wondering the, same THING and i did not write him down.
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Speaker 1: FIVE points i got. Five points take, some Time. OH
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Speaker 3: It's i will Wait from Mumford and son twenty. Twenty one,
OH god i think This.
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Speaker 2: One one might be a type.
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because Mumford and sons was broken, Up then but it's.
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Speaker 2: WHAT'S right i got? Ninety eight no song or. Took
artists this.
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LOT god i can't, All right so this Is.
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Speaker 4: Fucking won yeah you Won DECK.
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Speaker 1: Fifteen points TWISTERS what i wrote.
Speaker 3: It is twister.
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Speaker 3: Yeah you haven't ugh to overcome the. Twenty five you had,
boogie shoes so you're on the. Board there you might
have won. By five put a banner.
Speaker 1: Up five how MANY do i get for?
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Speaker 8: The movie? Five me, then yeah he's got? Thirty, Five
right no twenty Five and i'll. Be, tired okay it's
something up. Top two the only thing up THE top
i got.
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right you get ten for, the movie but you got.
Speaker 1: THE year i got the year and the and, the
band but not the name of.
Speaker 2: The song SO.
Speaker 1: So i only got twenty point do we have to
go to on?
Speaker 3: Tiebreakers that well we. Do not, you're here.
Speaker 1: But we'll take. THE time i Like that matt knew that, First, one,
like right that's?
Speaker 3: Were? You You matt pitchers that ever put songs in there,
For HIM so i made sure to get some ball
and thugs in.
Speaker 2: For him, All right but what where did?
Speaker 1: You dj DID? You Dj like? CENTERS stuff i Was.
Speaker 2: THAT centers i Was At, Tiki Bobs, Tiky bobs tremors
that was its big, Same Thing, Pulmonds Diamonds. Heaven, nightclub
wow that's all like different nights of. The, week yeah
you know throughout, you know throughout. The nineties was it.
Speaker 3: Weird going back INTO bt b knowing you were in
there when it was?
Speaker 2: FULL circle I mean i did every. JOB there i was,
A manager i was a, BAR manager i WAS. A
dj i was a security Guy At captain ZADDIK and
i cooked in. The, kitchen wow that was my full.
TIME job i was there from nine am to, two
Am like Wednesday. Through saturday god the Other days i'd
be there during.
Speaker 8: The.
Speaker 1: Day, wow yeah well now it's doing much Better Than captain.
Sadic did what?
Speaker 2: Did great guys were, JUST yeah I know I think
i think that's MY.
Speaker 3: Wedding.
Speaker 2: Dj yeah it was a restaurant and it turned into
a club. At night and it was interesting because they
do bands on Weekends and thursday nights and then the
big club Night was. Wednesday night we'd have four hundred
people in The place.
Speaker 1: Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Night yeah where?
Speaker 4: Is, now yeah.
Speaker 2: LADIES nightly i had a, dance FLOOR, a dj but
with everything they used to do. A, comedy Yeah and
wenesday it we started it And then. Tommy did THAT'S
where i. Met Them.
Speaker 1: Captain.
Speaker 2: Zadak yeah they Were doing monday nights after, The nights
monday nights.
Speaker 1: After, too yeah and it was after football after.
Speaker 2: You KNOW what, i mean like after the. Football, season,
yeah okay. After season back then people went Out for monday.
And football it would be Packed. Every.
Speaker 1: MONDAY yeah i think That's where matt.
Speaker 3: Ray. TORRES yeah dj back in, The.
Speaker 1: Day, nolligans, yeah wow LOOK at i didn't know that
you were hustling.
Speaker 2: Back, THEN yeah i.
Speaker 3: WAS it i.
Speaker 2: Was it most of the Clubs in roster good at.
That time yeah, the day sure.
Speaker 3: IT is i bet it.
Speaker 1: Was that, all right we'll close it Out For. Matt
reese get out TO be tv, wood fire pizza and
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Speaker 4: Tv specials get those that was that? All, special.
Speaker 1: Right but do the brunch and stick around for the one.
O'clock game bill's jets. This, week, yeah yeah it should
be a pretty good One. For laura, Who uh they're
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VIBRATOR here i can't believe you're wearing the Choke.
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Speaker 3: TO know I don't mark's ass.
Speaker 1: Is different.
Speaker 3: Than sealed.
Speaker 1: Be Right we're kevin who saw a bear hit on.
Speaker 2: The Throughway I'm.
Speaker 1: Bill moran we'll see you tomorrow
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