Speaker 1: Has anyone seen Locky Galvin? Has anyone seen Phil Gold?
Speaker 1: Has anyone seen James Graham? Has anyone seen Cameron Seraldo?
Speaker 1: Has anyone seen Jason Taylor? Has anyone seen Locky Galvin?
Speaker 1: Has anyone seen Phil Gold? Has anyone seen Bulldogs' Instagram?
Speaker 1: Has anyone seen the kennel? Has anyone seen Phil Gold?
Speaker 2: Ha?
Speaker 1: Has anyone seen Locky Galvin? Steven Gary, Welcome to West
Speaker 1: Tiger's Podcast. Four hundred and twenty four.
Speaker 3: Holy smokes, but a start. That's amazing. That was totally unrehearsed.
Speaker 4: Well done. Yeah, I think we should just cut upon
Speaker 4: there and we just released that.
Speaker 1: Now I'll explain that no one will understand that. But
Speaker 1: I follow Talk sport over in the UK and their
Speaker 1: late night show This is at Night show. They do
Speaker 1: that to wind up in opposition, and I thought, what
Speaker 1: better way boys going into a bye week, a little
Speaker 1: bit of lighthearted banter, get one over the enemy, Gary,
Speaker 1: I mean, Sunday night we did the collab podcast and
Speaker 1: Rob told me to behave I mean, of all people
Speaker 1: to tell me to behave, So I've saved it for
Speaker 1: Wednesday night.
Speaker 2: This well, and I had to listen to the West
Speaker 2: Tigers podcast, and I can tell you Steve Stretton didn't
Speaker 2: behave when he got on on Monday night when he
Speaker 2: started talking about lockey Galvin, he gave him a right Royals,
Speaker 2: which I quite enjoyed.
Speaker 3: I may of us or aty spilled my beans. I
Speaker 3: didn't know this was coming, Steve.
Speaker 1: I was standing and applauding when I got to that point,
Speaker 1: because it was very he might notice is a very
Speaker 1: different level of maturity and humility in hosts compared to
Speaker 1: Monday night to tonight. But I was standing and applauding
Speaker 1: with your Galvin rant, and I thought, in all seriousness,
Speaker 1: it was a very very strong podcast for your voice.
Speaker 1: But I was happy that you ripped in with about
Speaker 1: eight minutes to go. Well, you know, any opportunities do and.
Speaker 3: He deserved it right And it could have gone the
Speaker 3: other way go and could have played the house down
Speaker 3: and would all be sulking because of that. But he didn't, Steve, No,
Speaker 3: he didn't, and he didn't want to. He didn't want
Speaker 3: to go near the football. You know, not only not
Speaker 3: only was he absent, he actually dogged it in that
Speaker 3: whole game, and I exemplified it in that last part.
Speaker 3: But I'm really glad he dogged it, as I kept
Speaker 3: telling the bench over and over and over again that
Speaker 3: maybe they should put Toby Sexton on.
Speaker 2: The key part of it for me, Steve, and you
Speaker 2: mentioned it on Sunday night, is his lack of engagement
Speaker 2: of the line.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: A strength of his game while he was playing for
Speaker 2: US was his running game, and he's playing through contact,
Speaker 2: and he's ball playing through contact and kicking close to
Speaker 2: the line. All that disappeared on the weekend. And to
Speaker 2: be fair, it has disappeared a little bit for a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks since he went to the Dogs. But
Speaker 2: I thought we would have seen a guy that engaged
Speaker 2: the line a little bit more than we did see
Speaker 2: on Sunday night. And maybe it's the broken hand or
Speaker 2: the injured wrists or the injured ankle, but made he
Speaker 2: didn't go anywhere near our defensive line on Sunday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I honestly think it was the the at
Speaker 3: the game, the guy doing the camera work at the game,
Speaker 3: like focusing on him before kickoff like that was obviously
Speaker 3: done on purpose, because they went to him about five
Speaker 3: times before actual kickoff started. Once they get out in
Speaker 3: the field, and you know, as we all saw, the
Speaker 3: crowd were booing and carrying on and he was rattled.
Speaker 3: He was absolutely rattled. Then for the first twenty minutes
Speaker 3: Louill was brilliant. Louis. I just kept feeding the ball
Speaker 3: to Samuela who just charged at him time and time
Speaker 3: and time again. And he was off his game. He
Speaker 3: didn't want to know about it.
Speaker 4: So the crowd was doing it.
Speaker 2: Wasn't just Rache who happened to end up in the
Speaker 2: in the Daily Telegraph on Monday doing Lucky Gavin.
Speaker 4: It was the whole crowd, not just Range.
Speaker 3: But she made a good fist of it. Let me
Speaker 3: tell you I will sit next to her.
Speaker 1: Alrighty boys, a little bit of a different midweek podcast.
Speaker 1: There's no Quick Steve, so you'll be this very disappointed
Speaker 1: about that, mortified, and no game to preview, but we
Speaker 1: will jump around a little bit all over the place.
Speaker 1: Probably wouldn't have done a podcast Wednesday night if we
Speaker 1: didn't beat the Bulldogs Gary. But I'm in a good
Speaker 1: mood this week, as you might have noticed, so.
Speaker 2: Mate, this has been one of the best weeks of
Speaker 2: my year. Just woke up on Monday happy, woke up
Speaker 2: on Tuesday, Happy, woke up today happy, and then I
Speaker 2: found out I was doing a probly few guys and
Speaker 2: the depression hit.
Speaker 3: Then you had to tell Happy to get out of
Speaker 3: your bed.
Speaker 1: Well, banter and drama at the game, and you guys
Speaker 1: touched on it maybe a little bit on Monday night,
Speaker 1: Steve with Joel and Nick, Me and Gary did touch
Speaker 1: on it Sunday because we didn't really know anything about it.
Speaker 1: But the Tigers last Try celebration. It's obviously been all
Speaker 1: over the media clickbait the last couple of days, but
Speaker 1: he's a talking point, official warnings for the two final
Speaker 1: brothers and a fine for Brent Naden. Gary, was that
Speaker 1: a fair result?
Speaker 4: It's hard to really know.
Speaker 2: I'm not of Arabic descent, if you've ever seen me
Speaker 2: on as white and pale skin as they come. But
Speaker 2: so I'm not going to tell people what they should
Speaker 2: be offended by when I don't know anything about the sign.
Speaker 2: So it is a hard one for me to sit
Speaker 2: here and kind of judge people who are offended by it.
Speaker 2: But everyone I've spoken to who is from that culture
Speaker 2: doesn't really have too much of an issue with the sign,
Speaker 2: will admit most of them the Tiger supporters, so they
Speaker 2: may be a little bit biased in that regard, but
Speaker 2: that there's a really Gervaise saying that I always go
Speaker 2: back to. Just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right.
Speaker 2: And look, I don't know enough about the sign itself
Speaker 2: to really have much of a say, but if the
Speaker 2: reports of it being a little bit of an up
Speaker 2: yours and that sort of stuff is true, then I
Speaker 2: don't have too much of a.
Speaker 4: Problem with it.
Speaker 1: Well. I have been practicing the sign at home all week.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit difficult to execute. My ring finger
Speaker 1: doesn't quite go where it's meant to. But anyway, but Steve,
Speaker 1: I mean even the mainstream has been a little bit
Speaker 1: all over the shot with it. And you listen to
Speaker 1: guys like I listened to braithon Asta and he'd obviously
Speaker 1: have a lot of Lebanese friends. And even when I
Speaker 1: went to school, I had lots of Lebanese friends. I
Speaker 1: know it was a different era, but they're quite playful
Speaker 1: and lighthearted and they are in your face. But I
Speaker 1: think the NRL actually used good discretion here. Thought usually
Speaker 1: you know the Panthers trainer, it was things blow up
Speaker 1: and they react to that I think this time they
Speaker 1: actually came to the right decision.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that. I think a warning
Speaker 3: to the players on field was a correct reaction from
Speaker 3: the NRL. I thought Naden need to be treated a
Speaker 3: little bit differently, Like apparently it was a private post
Speaker 3: and then from that it became public. But he needs
Speaker 3: to know better than that, right, he needs to know
Speaker 3: what can happen, that anything you put up there can
Speaker 3: end up out in the public sphere as it did, right,
Speaker 3: So yeah, he does need to be But I suppose
Speaker 3: I've got a slightly different take on it, and that's
Speaker 3: from the club perspective. And you probably know what I'm
Speaker 3: going to say because I'm a little bit old fashioned
Speaker 3: in this regard. You know, I don't like the I
Speaker 3: don't like the try celebration stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: I just like players, you know, score a try, get
Speaker 3: back halfway, do it again, stay disciplined, do it again. Right,
Speaker 3: that's my mindset. So I didn't like what Leui did
Speaker 3: and what Taruva did with the galv and stuff. I
Speaker 3: thought that inflamed already hot situation and made it a
Speaker 3: lot worse. I copped a lot of flag flat.
Speaker 1: Because I was on your side, Oh you were, you.
Speaker 3: Were actually yeah, But most people said to me Louis
Speaker 3: was all right, Toruver was over line. I actually thought
Speaker 3: they both cross the line. And I think they did
Speaker 3: the same like the can every Bankstown supporters are probably
Speaker 3: the most passionate, and you could say argument and even aggressive,
Speaker 3: but they're supporters, right. Supporters is different to the players
Speaker 3: on the field, and I just don't think they should
Speaker 3: be doing that sort of stuff. And I think our
Speaker 3: club behind closed doors should really be riding the riot
Speaker 3: act and saying this is not acceptable. It's not the
Speaker 3: standard we've bought, unwanted attention to ourselves. It's not the
Speaker 3: look we want. And there'll be a lot of people
Speaker 3: probably saying, oh, you've been too serious with it. But
Speaker 3: I don't know, what do you guys.
Speaker 2: Think, Steve, You and I were sitting at the Paramatta
Speaker 2: game at Combank Stadium earlier in the year, our home game,
Speaker 2: I can't remember which one it was, whichever it was
Speaker 2: these the Monday game, and there there were some West
Speaker 2: Tigers fans absolutely giving it to the bench of Paramatter
Speaker 2: and the Paramatta players were actually standing up and almost
Speaker 2: to the point of calling the supporters down to have
Speaker 2: let's say, a heated discussion with them, but it would
Speaker 2: have been more than that that got to that level,
Speaker 2: and we didn't see any news reports about it. We
Speaker 2: didn't see any articles about it. And that was players
Speaker 2: getting to the point where they were yelling abuse and
Speaker 2: calling players down. And I'm not justifying the behavior. The
Speaker 2: behavior from the West Tiger supporters who were shouting the
Speaker 2: abuse at the Paramatta players that we heard was was
Speaker 2: way out of line, to the point that I actually
Speaker 2: contacted the club and put in a complaint about that behavior.
Speaker 2: But the Paramatta players on that occasion were actually aggressive
Speaker 2: towards fans and we didn't hear a word about it.
Speaker 2: So I think there's a little bit of a case
Speaker 2: of double standards here.
Speaker 4: I know that it was a very visible thing and it.
Speaker 2: Was players actually on the field, and it probably got
Speaker 2: more media due to that. We didn't hear booth about
Speaker 2: Paramatta players getting into verbal arguments with play with fans
Speaker 2: in the stands on Easter Monday.
Speaker 1: I you know, I don't want to wrap journal, Steve,
Speaker 1: but I actually thought there was a good article I
Speaker 1: was today yesterday by Michael Chammers, who is of Arabic
Speaker 1: descent who sort of played it down, who said and
Speaker 1: I even saw I know it's player to player, but
Speaker 1: I saw a photo of Jacob Krraz greeting Adam Dewey
Speaker 1: in the warm up with the same gesture and laughing,
Speaker 1: and they're two Lebanese guys, So I know that's player
Speaker 1: to player. And I know inciting the crowd is always
Speaker 1: dangerous territory, but I think in the context of West Tigers,
Speaker 1: I know it's I get what you're saying, where you know,
Speaker 1: you score a try, and I think rather than you know,
Speaker 1: walk back to halfway and concentrate, at least celebrate with
Speaker 1: your teammates, not celebrate with the crowd. That's what we
Speaker 1: try and do in cricket is encouraged you to celebrate
Speaker 1: with your teammates, don't go on an individual celebration by yourself.
Speaker 1: But in the context of what Canterbury have done to
Speaker 1: us and their supporters, like let's remember Cameron Serroudo knocked
Speaker 1: us back last year, we had that over line. They've
Speaker 1: taken our best young player, Phil Gould is Phil Goold
Speaker 1: and the Bulldogs fans would have been antagonizing them for
Speaker 1: seventy five minutes. Brent Nadan, Yes, he went over the
Speaker 1: line with your Instagram post. I will say those Instagram
Speaker 1: posts by Taruvera and Naden go to it's called you know,
Speaker 1: it's a green circle Instagram. They go to your close mates.
Speaker 1: They're obviously not very close mates because one of them
Speaker 1: sending it on to someone who sends it on to
Speaker 1: the media. So hopefully they've learned a lesson by that.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is I reckon. If I scored
Speaker 1: that try, Steve, and I hope I'm never out there,
Speaker 1: but if I scored that try, I might have considered
Speaker 1: doing the same thing. Because these people are humans, They're emotional,
Speaker 1: and I think this will create a really big rivalry
Speaker 1: and the NRL be licking their lips about that.
Speaker 3: I can't argue with any of that. That's everything you've
Speaker 3: said makes perfect sense. And I can't be hypocritically either,
Speaker 3: because I was extremely emotional on the weekend and given
Speaker 3: it too. But it was lighthearted. It was lighthearted. But
Speaker 3: I just think I suppose my only point is this
Speaker 3: as a club, as a team, we lack discipline. We
Speaker 3: lack discipline on the field. You know, you could say
Speaker 3: we lack discipline across the club historically. I just hope
Speaker 3: that we respect the need for discipline. I suppose that's
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Yeah, And look, I'm being a party
Speaker 3: pooper and I can't argue with you any You make
Speaker 3: a lot of sense, but I would just like to
Speaker 3: see this be a little bit more discipline, a little
Speaker 3: bit more reserved, I suppose.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I just think look out for those two
Speaker 1: games next year because they will. The reason I'm getting
Speaker 1: my shots in now is I know they're going to respond. Canby.
Speaker 1: They're a strong club with a great fan base, like
Speaker 1: a really great fan base, and if they had done
Speaker 1: that to us, I wouldn't have gone and complained to
Speaker 1: the NFL. If I was a fan, I would have
Speaker 1: just said, well, it's there day, good luck to them.
Speaker 1: Carry on how you like. But boys, let's stop talking
Speaker 1: about that. Let's go to Adam Dewy because he is
Speaker 1: beating the news again Gary. He had an outstanding game obviously.
Speaker 1: On Sunday, rumors that the Tigers or it was quotes
Speaker 1: actually from Shane Rigson on Monday that there is a
Speaker 1: two year deal now on the table, and Rich I said,
Speaker 1: that's our final offer. There's no deadline on it, but
Speaker 1: it'll be up to Adam. Where do you think this
Speaker 1: is going to end up?
Speaker 2: Well, apparently the Dragons are about one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: thousand more season than we are that they're apparently about
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand for each of the two years, and
Speaker 2: we're at three.
Speaker 4: Hundred and fifty.
Speaker 2: For where we stand as a club and what Adam
Speaker 2: has shown for us over the last couple of years,
Speaker 2: I think that's about the right offer. I'd go to
Speaker 2: probably four hundred thousand, but I don't think at this
Speaker 2: point in time we're a club that can really go
Speaker 2: much higher than that. And I don't want to take
Speaker 2: any credit away from what he did on the weekend.
Speaker 2: I thought he was fantastic on the weekend, But we
Speaker 2: have seen these sort of games from him in the past,
Speaker 2: and the consistency in that sort of role has been
Speaker 2: the issue for him in the past. To go much
Speaker 2: higher than that, I want to see him playing at
Speaker 2: that level regularly, and we just haven't seen that from
Speaker 2: him yet. And that's to take nothing away from his
Speaker 2: last month of football. His last month of football has
Speaker 2: been excellent.
Speaker 1: It's tough, Steve, I mean, I sort of changed my
Speaker 1: opinion on Adam. Do you every week you know, you know,
Speaker 1: every three weeks for the last year, But I know,
Speaker 1: like your cricket, so I just use a little cricket analogy,
Speaker 1: like he's a really good footballer. And when I say
Speaker 1: cricket is a really good cricket is it's not because
Speaker 1: they're good at one skill. It's because they're good at
Speaker 1: several skills with the fielding, bowling, batting, like Adam Dewey
Speaker 1: has proved this year. He can be a decent center,
Speaker 1: he could be a decent lock, he can be good
Speaker 1: in the halves, he could be good off the bench.
Speaker 1: Like to me, the way the game's going, that sort
Speaker 1: of a player, maybe it is worth more than three
Speaker 1: out and fifty thou a year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it is. And the one thing you
Speaker 3: haven't mentioned there that I think it's hard to put
Speaker 3: a value on. But he's a Tiger. He loves the jersey,
Speaker 3: he loves the club, and he supports support the team
Speaker 3: when he was younger, and there's something in that. You know,
Speaker 3: when we've had a season where blokes have said they
Speaker 3: don't want to be part of the club and walk
Speaker 3: down on us to have a bloke actually wants to
Speaker 3: be there and his preference is to stay. Whether he'll
Speaker 3: stay for less, I don't know. R There's got to
Speaker 3: be some value based on that though, that we're trying
Speaker 3: to build something and he does have the sort of
Speaker 3: mindset and attitude love for the club and the jersey
Speaker 3: that we're looking for. It is a hard one. I'm
Speaker 3: probably I'm probably agreeing with both of you. I think
Speaker 3: he's worth more than three fifty. Is he worth five hundred?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Probably not. Would I pay up to five hundred probably close?
Speaker 3: Probably close from what I've seen, But more than from
Speaker 3: what I've seen. It's the versatility that he's providing now.
Speaker 3: That's where his value is, not his last month of
Speaker 3: footy or his last game on the weekend. It's that
Speaker 3: versatility that he could play thirteen for us, He can
Speaker 3: jump in at seven or six if we need it,
Speaker 3: and if it's gained specific as I said the other night,
Speaker 3: he can play fourteen for us if he's got the
Speaker 3: attitude for it. You know, he's a pretty important guy
Speaker 3: on the roster actually, when you look at it like that.
Speaker 3: If he can maintain his form.
Speaker 4: A couple I think Steve.
Speaker 2: He has now called out Shane Richardson at least once
Speaker 2: in regard to his contract negotiations, and for me, that's
Speaker 2: not a guy that necessarily shows his love for the
Speaker 2: club in the correct manner, like going into press conferences
Speaker 2: and saying you'll have to speak to Rito about my
Speaker 2: contract and all those sort of comments. I don't think
Speaker 2: is a really good look. And at this point, I
Speaker 2: think there's a couple of positions he could slide into
Speaker 2: in our squad next year, and if he's continuing the
Speaker 2: Hars continues, one of those is potentially the number seven jersey.
Speaker 2: But at this point he doesn't own any of those spots.
Speaker 2: And I'm of the belief that with Appy at the
Speaker 2: point in his career he is, that fourteen needs to
Speaker 2: be someone who can play hooker, and I don't think
Speaker 2: Adam can do.
Speaker 4: That role for us.
Speaker 2: So if he doesn't fit into that thirteen spot, if
Speaker 2: he doesn't fit into that seventh spot, and he is
Speaker 2: a backup in all of those positions, and I think
Speaker 2: would get plenty of games because he can play so
Speaker 2: many different positions, and pretty much anytime we have an injury,
Speaker 2: he comes into that squad. But I just don't know
Speaker 2: where he fits into that squad for next year, and
Speaker 2: that's why I'm reluctant to go five hundred thousand or higher,
Speaker 2: because I just don't know where he fits at this
Speaker 2: point in time.
Speaker 3: I think your point on his attitude is a good one.
Speaker 3: But we know that about Adam, do you. We know
Speaker 3: that's what we're going to get from him, and he
Speaker 3: probably comes across a lot more or a lot ruder
Speaker 3: than it. It's probably meant to, you know. I dislike
Speaker 3: totally those times he said I'm a six and if
Speaker 3: I don't get six, I'm not interested.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: That's that attitude is terrible, But I think that's part
Speaker 3: of the whole package with him. I think he believes
Speaker 3: in himself and he's got such a strength of character
Speaker 3: in going out there to prove himself. He does back
Speaker 3: himself and he doesn't shy away from blokes like rich
Speaker 3: A lot of people would run away from Richel. He's
Speaker 3: a pretty scary sort of dude, right, But I don't
Speaker 3: think Adam do He would. And I think a him said, well,
Speaker 3: you know, come on, come on, Richard, you show is
Speaker 3: what you got type thing that's Adam doing. I'm not
Speaker 3: defending him really because I tend to agree with you,
Speaker 3: but I don't know. I just said enough throwing to
Speaker 3: think he's worth having in our squad. I'd do it
Speaker 3: at around I'd i'd pay four fifty. I'd go to
Speaker 3: four fifty.
Speaker 4: I reckon one hundred percent. I won him here next year.
Speaker 2: I think, like a month ago, I would have been
Speaker 2: happy with that one year deal at around the three
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand. At that point, a lot of
Speaker 2: people were ready for it to just let him go.
Speaker 2: I'm actually quite happy they have extended that to a
Speaker 2: year based on the form that he has shown over
Speaker 2: the last month. But there has to be that kind
Speaker 2: of limit somewhere, and I think if he can get,
Speaker 2: especially a half spot at five hundred thousand at the Dragons,
Speaker 2: I think that's a very hard offer to kind of match.
Speaker 3: But they're not offered him a half spot. That's the
Speaker 3: sticking point. They've told him.
Speaker 4: He'll be actually spot here.
Speaker 2: No, he potentially has a half spot here, but it's
Speaker 2: a little bit less money, So I guess there's a
Speaker 2: decision there for him to make.
Speaker 1: In fairness to the Tigers and rich O Steve, like
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at it. Adam Dohoe has been with
Speaker 1: the club since twenty twenty, so this is his sixth season. Now,
Speaker 1: he's played eighty three games, and my rough math says
Speaker 1: total amount of games in six years is about one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty, so he's played just over fifty percent
Speaker 1: of the games. Obviously it's not his fault he's getting injured,
Speaker 1: but the club has to look at things like that.
Speaker 1: If you've had three acls and you're only twenty six
Speaker 1: years of age, the chances of doing another one again,
Speaker 1: i'd say, are still relatively high.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I heard. I don't know how correct this is.
Speaker 3: I just heard in conversation that when he went to
Speaker 3: the dragons before he fell, I mean that they did
Speaker 3: with him, you know. So there is that, and the
Speaker 3: club's got away and we don't know that that sort
Speaker 3: of stuff where any where any speculating.
Speaker 1: Right, It's interesting. I'll just jump in stee was interesting.
Speaker 1: I was listening to Phil Goold's podcast tonight and I
Speaker 1: mean he was looked like he's swallowed a wasp. But anyway,
Speaker 1: he was talking about Adam Dewey and he actually sort
Speaker 1: of let slip that Adam Dewey had emailed the Bulldogs
Speaker 1: a few years ago offering his services because obviously he
Speaker 1: was his own manager, and he said he was offering
Speaker 1: himself for a lot more than he is now, and
Speaker 1: he said that the Bulldog's actually got mail that he
Speaker 1: was very susceptible to an ACL. Then, I mean, he
Speaker 1: could just be talking crap field good, but he was
Speaker 1: basically saying we thought he was going to get injured.
Speaker 1: He did then go on to do his ACL. So
Speaker 1: it's like, you wonder what sort of background information there
Speaker 1: is from clubs out there, because it's not like there's
Speaker 1: seven or eight clubs sort of in the mixed bidding
Speaker 1: against each other.
Speaker 4: At the moment.
Speaker 1: It's probably a slightly desperate sir George, and that's that's.
Speaker 3: Going to impact, you know, the negotiations. Maybe the club's
Speaker 3: got that in the back of their mind. Maybe they're
Speaker 3: proving to for me, maybe it's just maybe three fifty
Speaker 3: is a smart He's a smart move by the club.
Speaker 2: And if you have a look at his form on
Speaker 2: the weekend and most of his form over the last month,
Speaker 2: if he was playing at that level consistently, he's that
Speaker 2: level player of the money he was asking three or
Speaker 2: four years ago, which is the eight hundred thousand dollars plus.
Speaker 2: That's if he was playing how he played on Sunday
Speaker 2: regularly and showing that every week, that's what he.
Speaker 4: Would be worth. And there he's contractor.
Speaker 2: Before the one of the Acel injuries was around that mark,
Speaker 2: he was up around that seven hundred eight hundred thousand.
Speaker 2: So he does have the potential to be that sort
Speaker 2: of player. He just hasn't shown it enough for me.
Speaker 1: There's an argument Steve, and I don't necessarily agree with it,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to make an argument that he could
Speaker 1: be out. He's our player of the year. I know
Speaker 1: the obvious pick is Terrell May and Taruver's been great
Speaker 1: and Buller's been great, but I'm just looking through the games.
Speaker 1: I don't think we beat Cronulla if we don't have
Speaker 1: Adam Dewey. Obviously he kicked that penalty goal in overtime.
Speaker 1: I don't think we beat the Roosters without Adam Dewey,
Speaker 1: who was a late inclusion to the halfs had a
Speaker 1: blinder that day. We certainly don't beat the Titans without
Speaker 1: Adam doing kicks a field goal with ten seconds to go,
Speaker 1: and maybe we would have beat the Dogs without him,
Speaker 1: but he was the best player by the length of
Speaker 1: the strait. So that's four games where I'd argue we've
Speaker 1: only won eight that he has been the difference in
Speaker 1: those games.
Speaker 3: I think we were all really concerned about Adam deeing
Speaker 3: and will come in at the beginning of this season. Defensively,
Speaker 3: he's shown a real lack of application and desire to
Speaker 3: get his shoulder in there and you know, defend consistently. Well,
Speaker 3: he's turned that around this year. He's attacking. He showed
Speaker 3: like like in the wet picking up that loose ball
Speaker 3: and all those two runs right to get away. He
Speaker 3: showed some great speed. So you know, I don't know
Speaker 3: what he's done. He's been working on his game, got
Speaker 3: himself super fit. Not sure what it is. Maybe it's
Speaker 3: a bit of mindset as well, but he has had
Speaker 3: a different different attitude and application this year and it's
Speaker 3: shown he's he's been a very good foot bar and yeah,
Speaker 3: just listening to you rattle those off, I think you're
Speaker 3: pretty close to being right. You know, like he's had
Speaker 3: a lot of impact for us. And at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, we've said we've said that we tend
Speaker 3: to lack a bit of impact, and he's a guy
Speaker 3: who has provided it.
Speaker 4: Talking about his speed, Eddie's a gamble.
Speaker 2: He'll know some horses are just mud runners, and I
Speaker 2: think he may just be a little bit of a
Speaker 2: mud runner because his pace was reasonable on the weekend.
Speaker 2: But talking about that change of application in defense, I
Speaker 2: think the biggest thing that highlights that for me, Steve
Speaker 2: is the Gold Coasts, not the Gold Coast the Bulldogs
Speaker 2: last try on the weekend, his effort to get him
Speaker 2: back there and almost saved that try.
Speaker 4: I don't think we see that from him last year
Speaker 4: or the year before.
Speaker 2: He's never really been that player that really chases down
Speaker 2: a ball like that or chases a guy that's made
Speaker 2: a break. And that's the big change in what I've
Speaker 2: seen in him this season is that that application to
Speaker 2: effort plays. It's always been the effort plays that I've
Speaker 2: had concerns about before this season, and credit where credits due,
Speaker 2: he has improved that massively this season.
Speaker 3: And something else from the weekend to a nick point
Speaker 3: of this out on Sunday night when I'm not going
Speaker 3: to listen, then well steal it. This is actually a
Speaker 3: good one.
Speaker 1: Monday night.
Speaker 3: He's he mentioned the team getting into a huddle before
Speaker 3: they went off at halftime and Dey was commanding the conversation.
Speaker 3: And it's not the fact that he spoke, it's the
Speaker 3: fact that Luai and Appy let him speak. If I
Speaker 3: didn't respect him, that have had just jumped in and
Speaker 3: talked over him. Right, that's the way it works. If
Speaker 3: you don't respect the bloke the if the other team
Speaker 3: members again aren't going to listen to the guy, they're
Speaker 3: not going to let him talk, but they let him
Speaker 3: have you say, and so it shows that the team
Speaker 3: that that's seventeen really respect him, and that's a positive
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 4: It wasn't just that either though, Steve.
Speaker 2: After the game he was getting his pitches taken with
Speaker 2: Loui and Taruva, and Louie and Taruva were actually praying
Speaker 2: in the center of the field and Adam Dewey joined
Speaker 2: them in that as well, just the three of them.
Speaker 2: And that there's been a little bit of a narrative
Speaker 2: around the club in certain parts about a little bit
Speaker 2: of a concern around the pacifica kind of click that
Speaker 2: may be forming in the club having a look at
Speaker 2: Adam Dewey on the weekend. He didn't look to be
Speaker 2: on the outside of any click at our club.
Speaker 1: I saw Josh Reynolds quote Steve Sorry, it was justin
Speaker 1: Horro's quotes, and he was talking about Josh Reynolds because
Speaker 1: they do a show together, a podcast, and they were
Speaker 1: talking about Adam Dewey and Josh Reynolds basically said, there's
Speaker 1: no way Adam do He will want to be a
Speaker 1: lock full time. So I think if that's Saint George's plan,
Speaker 1: I think he still might stay at the Tigers because
Speaker 1: I think he'll look at this last month and I
Speaker 1: reckon he won't make a decision till the end of
Speaker 1: the year because it's clear he's playing for a contract
Speaker 1: and he's adding value to his contract every week. The
Speaker 1: way he's going, he's playing really desperately and he's playing
Speaker 1: good football. But he'll be looking at the next four
Speaker 1: weeks and going no reason if we can't keep winning,
Speaker 1: you know, four out of the last five and I
Speaker 1: started half back, that my dollars might go up a
Speaker 1: bit more and I could potentially be the halfback of
Speaker 1: it the Tigers or the Dragons.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as long as he's prepared to accept the fact
Speaker 3: that la ju Fann who could shoot the lights out
Speaker 3: and then take the spot which puts him to thirteen.
Speaker 1: I just shouldn't like that from the bench.
Speaker 3: Well it is, but you know, he's he's shown that
Speaker 3: he's got it and I think has a lot of
Speaker 3: respect for him and is bringing him along at the
Speaker 3: pace of Benji thinks correct. So you know, I think
Speaker 3: there's a potential that he would get frustrated at the Dragons,
Speaker 3: but I'm saying I think there's potential that he could
Speaker 3: be frustrated for the same reasons here, but you know,
Speaker 3: he'd probably get a better shot out of here. I
Speaker 3: don't know Flannigan's going to let let his son out
Speaker 3: at number seven.
Speaker 1: I think there'll be a decision in the next month. Gary.
Speaker 1: I think it might just slide on to the end
Speaker 1: of the season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if he got the offer he wants
Speaker 2: from us, I think he probably decide fairly quickly.
Speaker 4: So I think, as he has said, that ball's probably
Speaker 4: in Shane Richardson's court a little bit. And I agree
Speaker 4: with you.
Speaker 2: Like everything we've heard from him, I don't see him
Speaker 2: going to the Dragons to play thirteen if he can.
Speaker 4: Get something else.
Speaker 2: So I think what happens next really depends on what
Speaker 2: we do as a CLI. If he gets a slight
Speaker 2: increase on that offer, that may be enough for him
Speaker 2: to sign straight up. I think it's a little bit
Speaker 2: of a wait and see and comes down ultimately to
Speaker 2: what Jane Richardson decides to.
Speaker 1: Do this World Series Rugby or whatever it is. Steve
Speaker 1: it could be to fly in the ointman, I've been
Speaker 1: reading a bit about it. It seems quite mysterious. But
Speaker 1: anything backed by the Saudi Investment Fund or whatever they are,
Speaker 1: they bankroll anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there'll be some dollars in it. And there's also
Speaker 3: one team coming in and then another team coming in,
Speaker 3: then another team coming in. So there's not going to
Speaker 3: be any shortage of offers out there for decent NRL
Speaker 3: players over the next couple of years, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: All right, boys, it's moved from Madam. Do we talk
Speaker 1: it a little bit of recruitment? Gary. There was some
Speaker 1: news dropping today. I think it's actually confirmed on the
Speaker 1: West Tiger's instagram that Maverick Guy, a son of Mark Guy,
Speaker 1: has signed for the club for one year is it
Speaker 1: or two?
Speaker 2: It's a one year deal. I believe, so, yeah, just
Speaker 2: for next year. Apparently he wasn't off at a contract
Speaker 2: at all from Penriff and his moving across to the
Speaker 2: West Tigers next year. He's always been a player I
Speaker 2: thought had a little bit of potential. He's still quite young,
Speaker 2: so depending on the contract, as long as it's the
Speaker 2: right contract, I'm not too disappointed with it. You and
Speaker 2: I did have a conversation earlier about that players, but
Speaker 2: I think he's he's a player that will possibly provide
Speaker 2: some for the club and mostly spend his time in
Speaker 2: him playing for the Magpies.
Speaker 1: I think he debuted about the year ago. Just remember
Speaker 1: him having that huge contingent of mates out. It might
Speaker 1: have been Alliards or something Steve, but still pieces of
Speaker 1: the jigsaw you'd like to think with recruitment to come.
Speaker 1: We know, you know November December when crickets playing, there's
Speaker 1: things can drop out of the tree to real May
Speaker 1: did last year. So probably got to keep something up
Speaker 1: his sleeve for that because Sarry cap squeeze can happen
Speaker 1: at some clubs.
Speaker 3: We need someone to drop out of the tree that's
Speaker 3: going to make a huge thump, right, We need to
Speaker 3: have big that elite, elite middle player to sign with
Speaker 3: the club. I don't know where he's going to come from,
Speaker 3: but year we need him. Yeah, the Maverick guy one.
Speaker 3: I think it's a good signing. Our back row is
Speaker 3: still going to be untested next year. I think Samuel
Speaker 3: Fine who is showing that he's got the goods to
Speaker 3: be good in the second rower. I don't know about
Speaker 3: Pierce Paul yet. I've seen a couple of good games
Speaker 3: from him. Newcastle will just be let's see how he goes.
Speaker 3: But to have a back up there with Mattick Guy,
Speaker 3: I saw him playing earlier in the year and he
Speaker 3: looked looked okay without looking overly damaging. Especially another guy
Speaker 3: coming as well, isn't that.
Speaker 2: Yeah guy from the from the Roosters as well. But
Speaker 2: the thing with Guy is I think he's an upgrade
Speaker 2: on guys we have in the top thirty at the moment.
Speaker 2: Like so, I'd much rather have someone like Maverick Guyer
Speaker 2: playing in our lower grades than Brendan Turmouth.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, there was a post. I don't know, that
Speaker 1: might just be Facebook post says the West Tigers have
Speaker 1: taken advantage of the back row squeeze at the Roosters
Speaker 1: by landing one of the club's most promising forwards understood.
Speaker 1: Twenty year old Ethan Roberts has agreed to a two
Speaker 1: year deal with the Tigers from next season, where he
Speaker 1: will join the club alongside Penrith Backbrow at Maverick Guyer.
Speaker 1: So again a player that maybe Decan or some of
Speaker 1: the guys that watched the lowel grades regularly might know
Speaker 1: a little bit about. But Gary we it seems like
Speaker 1: it's still like even I read something about, you know,
Speaker 1: Charlie Murray, we re signed him. I know, I don't
Speaker 1: think it was a top thirty contract, but I read
Speaker 1: something online that the Tigers are shopping him around, you know,
Speaker 1: the three weeks after they signed him. I get the
Speaker 1: same feeling with Tristan Hope. We signed him and I'm
Speaker 1: thinking should we have done that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a bit perplexed by both those signings
Speaker 2: at the time. But Charlie Murray's manager has come out
Speaker 2: in the last twenty four hours and said it's not
Speaker 2: true that the Tigers aren't shopping him around. So I
Speaker 2: don't really know what's going on there. I could see
Speaker 2: a situation where he's on a development contract next year,
Speaker 2: and if one of the Super League clubs came in
Speaker 2: and offered him a good contract, then I could see
Speaker 2: why the Tigers may say let him go for a
Speaker 2: better opportunity, even despite having signed him like weeks ago.
Speaker 2: But like, I'm not too fussed either way. If he's
Speaker 2: here on a development contract, I'm okay with that. He's
Speaker 2: a fairly old player to really be using one of
Speaker 2: your development spots on. But if they were release him
Speaker 2: to go playoffse where, I don't really have too much
Speaker 2: of an issue with that or either because I don't
Speaker 2: if he's seeing a lot of first grade next year,
Speaker 2: then we're in trouble. The thing I do like about
Speaker 2: Guy and the other other rumored signing is second row.
Speaker 2: Despite us bringing in Kay Piers Paul, is still an
Speaker 2: area where we lack depth. It's an area where as
Speaker 2: soon as we get an injury, we're in trouble. So
Speaker 2: bring and a couple other guys to kind of improve
Speaker 2: that area. That was I think is a pretty smart idea.
Speaker 1: Well, Steve, I've been in the lab, I've been doing
Speaker 1: my homework and I've just gone through the West Tyers
Speaker 1: players off contract at the end of twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty six. We'll start with the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five ones. Just give me a simple yes or no,
Speaker 1: or I'll give you one fifty to fifty if you're
Speaker 1: on the fence whether you would resign these players? Adam
Speaker 1: do you yes? Josh Feldy no? Justin Madame Moua no.
Speaker 1: Brent Naden fifty leaning towards now my new favorite player
Speaker 1: Brenton Charlie stains.
Speaker 4: How happy were you when he was named on the weekend?
Speaker 1: I was horrified, But after his celebration against the Bulldogs,
Speaker 1: I just find the fact that Brent Naden like he's
Speaker 1: a trial Steve and I'm a troll. So that's why
Speaker 1: I like him, because he has been in reserve grade
Speaker 1: and he managed to antagonize an entire fan base. So
Speaker 1: well done, Brandon Naden. Even though I don't think you
Speaker 1: should be playing for West Tigers next year, Charlie, but.
Speaker 3: Anyway, we are happy with what he produced on the
Speaker 3: field on the weekend.
Speaker 1: Did he did fine? He did fine much. I think
Speaker 1: the job. I think the swimming pool conditions probably help
Speaker 1: him on the dry track against Manly with Kohler in
Speaker 1: the centers, I'd be horrified, like what he could do
Speaker 1: to Brent Naden, but he didn't let us down on
Speaker 1: the weekend. No doubt he's got ability, but he's just
Speaker 1: never like you said Monday Night, Steve, he's never been
Speaker 1: consistent throughout his career and some of his off field
Speaker 1: antics has been part of the reason. I'm sure. Charlie
Speaker 1: Staines No, Brandon Tuomoth Nope. All right, Gary, these are
Speaker 1: the guys off contract at the end of twenty twenty six,
Speaker 1: and I want you to say if you know, I
Speaker 1: say you get to November this year, where they'd be
Speaker 1: free to negotiate whether you would extend them, whether fifty
Speaker 1: to fifty or whether you put him through the shredder now,
Speaker 1: Jack Burt, No, so you only find it one hundred percent?
Speaker 4: Yes, extension, Yeah, I'd extend him tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Tristan Hope, No, Kitler Lily.
Speaker 4: That that's a hard one.
Speaker 2: I'm at this point I'm leaning to know because I
Speaker 2: don't think he's shown quite enough.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll stay with you Gary for the rest
Speaker 1: of them, and Steve, you can jump into the end
Speaker 1: if you disagree with Gary on any of them. Lukely, Yes,
Speaker 1: I'd keep him Heith Mason, No.
Speaker 4: Solomon Suduku No, despite him being on my trivia team
Speaker 4: at A what started this function?
Speaker 1: I don't even know who that is. He's not in
Speaker 1: on top thirty, is he?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 4: He has been for a couple of years. Wow, he
Speaker 4: was a development player a couple of years ago. I
Speaker 4: think he's now in the top thirty.
Speaker 1: Steve smiling, it's good.
Speaker 4: Good premp.
Speaker 1: Uh Girass Skelfon, Yes, Toney Suka no.
Speaker 4: Oh. I think he does have potential staff of tower.
Speaker 4: That's a.
Speaker 2: I will say yes now, but I'd like to see
Speaker 2: him play a little bit more before the end of
Speaker 2: the year to see whether those defensive issues are going
Speaker 2: to kind of continue and whether he's lack of pogency
Speaker 2: in attack the last few weeks will improve.
Speaker 4: So yes, I would, But yeah, I'm a little bit
Speaker 4: nervous about it. Steve.
Speaker 3: Any issues with what Gary said that, No, no issues
Speaker 3: with that at all. But I do want to just
Speaker 3: mention Tristan Hope and bring it up again. I just
Speaker 3: don't get it, Hope. I just cannot see the reason
Speaker 3: and I just I just wrote down here as you
Speaker 3: guys were talking the impact of Bloke like Jacob Little
Speaker 3: and Billy Walters have both both those guys have for
Speaker 3: their prospective teams.
Speaker 1: At the moment, it took us a big spot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when they come on and play that twenty five
Speaker 3: minutes or either side of halfway, or how however they
Speaker 3: choose to do it, Like Billy Waters plays less than
Speaker 3: half a game, and I would argue that could pick
Speaker 3: up Man of the match half the time he goes
Speaker 3: out there. The impact that guy has when he goes
Speaker 3: out there for the Broncos, and I just don't understand.
Speaker 3: I know we don't know everything, but we've let go
Speaker 3: a bloke who said he wanted to stay, had that
Speaker 3: sort of impact but wanted to start. I get that
Speaker 3: for a guy that to me is filling at absolute best.
Speaker 3: I'm really concerned about that for next year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want appy.
Speaker 2: I think we've spoken about it a lot over the
Speaker 2: last couple of years, and I think we're saying it
Speaker 2: last year. We don't really want happy playing eighty minutes
Speaker 2: a game. I think there's some weeks where you're needing to.
Speaker 2: I think there's certain games you go into you want
Speaker 2: to have us lightly different bench rotation and.
Speaker 1: Miss one Gary was perfect big game leading.
Speaker 2: Road yep, you and you playing a pack like the Dogs.
Speaker 2: You want that extra forward there. So there's certain weeks
Speaker 2: where you're playing eighty minutes, but there's some weeks where
Speaker 2: you don't. Like there's a lot of weeks. You don't
Speaker 2: want to be playing him eighty minutes. You want to
Speaker 2: be playing him sixty minutes.
Speaker 4: And all Hope really provides you is a body to
Speaker 4: give Happy arrest. That's it.
Speaker 2: I want someone who can come on and have some impact.
Speaker 2: And I watched that Pendriff game Steve and I went
Speaker 2: out to it. No, Steve wasn't there. I went out
Speaker 2: to the Pendriff game at Combank, and Happy, just before
Speaker 2: he came off, was getting really tired and starting to
Speaker 2: fall off tackles and he needed a break.
Speaker 4: The problem was we put Hope on and he was
Speaker 4: falling off more.
Speaker 2: Tackles than Appy was when he was dead tired after
Speaker 2: playing a really high impact game where he actually he
Speaker 2: played his heart out for sixty minutes. The guy that
Speaker 2: came on to replace him was playing worse. And I
Speaker 2: don't want to lose something when Appy goes off. I
Speaker 2: know we're not going to have a Happy on the field.
Speaker 2: But someone with a bit of speed around the rack,
Speaker 2: someone can provide some point of difference other than just being.
Speaker 4: A warm body. So appy can go sit on the
Speaker 4: bench for twenty minutes. I think we need more than that.
Speaker 1: My last little bit of research I did, Steve just
Speaker 1: for you tonight. I went through the twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: off contract and it's slim pickings. But I'm going to
Speaker 1: give you three answers. You can say none, you can
Speaker 1: say slight, or you can say yes. Say if you
Speaker 1: have any interest in some of these players. Might not
Speaker 1: have hurt of some of them, but anyway, Felice.
Speaker 3: Cafusi, Felice Cafusi, slight.
Speaker 1: From the Knights, Adam Elliott and Tyson Frazzell.
Speaker 3: Adam Elliott, Yes, Tyson Frazzell. David Klemmeruh, Gary.
Speaker 2: That would be a West Tigers move, though, wouldn't it
Speaker 2: Release in one year and signing.
Speaker 1: I think the UK is calling mister Clemo, even though
Speaker 1: he's had a very good career. Gary, Mark Nichols and
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. No Takiaho from Manly. I know he's old,
Speaker 1: but he's been playing all right for them upfront. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd consider it for one year, and I can't read
Speaker 1: the writing of the last one, So we're not going
Speaker 1: to bother with that. But boys like you said, Steve,
Speaker 1: I think maybe the strategy, I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: a wise strategy that came off last year. Maybe the
Speaker 1: strategy is to wait and see. Because do you still
Speaker 1: think we are two middle short of being potential top
Speaker 1: eight side next year?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think we're too two dynamic forwards short. And you
Speaker 3: could say two middles, you could still say one middle,
Speaker 3: one edge player. You know, I'm just throwing this name
Speaker 3: out of the first one say, but I kick out
Speaker 3: for example, the impact that guy has on a football game.
Speaker 3: You know, I'd just go there. We've got to have
Speaker 3: tons of money, I'd.
Speaker 1: Go there's rumors about him a little bit that he
Speaker 1: could be one of them that gets squeezed out.
Speaker 3: Well, mate, if that was the case, I would be
Speaker 3: onto him so quickly. Wouldn't be funny. We've got to
Speaker 3: have a war chest of money somewhere, right because we
Speaker 3: haven't spent it yet, and I'd be finding I'd be
Speaker 3: fining anyone I could that might be semi interested in
Speaker 3: coming to this club and throwing a ton of money
Speaker 3: at them and absolutely the middle, and I'd be happy
Speaker 3: to say two middles, or if not two middles and
Speaker 3: one middle and an edge back rower that was going
Speaker 3: to be dynamic.
Speaker 2: That that's the thing, the one thing that gives me
Speaker 2: a little bit of hope moving into the off season,
Speaker 2: the recruitment, because I think we've been pretty good at
Speaker 2: picking up players who have fallen out of clubs in
Speaker 2: the past twelve months, mainly the two Mays, but I
Speaker 2: think we've done a very good job when when a
Speaker 2: guy in an area of need has come loose at
Speaker 2: the club, we've got him across and I think we've
Speaker 2: done well using Drome Lui in that situation. And once
Speaker 2: Terrell was here, we use Terrell to get his brother here.
Speaker 2: And I know those were probably beneficial circumstances for us,
Speaker 2: but that's what those circumstances are.
Speaker 4: When a guy falls out of.
Speaker 2: A club, and I'm hopeful that we can kind of
Speaker 2: pick up someone that the right person falls out of
Speaker 2: a club and we can pick them up for next season. Hopefully,
Speaker 2: as they said, a nice big front row who can
Speaker 2: play some decent minutes but cause some impact through the
Speaker 2: middle of the field.
Speaker 1: Taylor May Steve, it's a tricky one. I watched his
Speaker 1: podcast today with his brother, quite an intense podcast if
Speaker 1: you get to watch it in the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: But that's a bit of a tricky one for the
Speaker 1: club because he could now you know, the Tigers have
Speaker 1: taken the head and give him a training trial and
Speaker 1: he's proved that he's clearly a very good RL player.
Speaker 1: So there could be seven or eight clubs in for him.
Speaker 1: You know, we might get a little bit of a
Speaker 1: brother discount, but we might not. Is there Do you
Speaker 1: have a figure on what we should offer May and
Speaker 1: how many years or it's hard to know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think clubs are going to come after him
Speaker 3: for sure. I don't think he's a huge risk to leave.
Speaker 3: I think he's I think he's pretty cemented to Benji
Speaker 3: and the opportunity that Benji has given him. He said, yeah,
Speaker 3: I had listened to it as well. He loves playing
Speaker 3: with his brother and they mentioned that they'd love to
Speaker 3: get the third brother from from the UK across as well.
Speaker 3: So I think he's pretty glued into the club as
Speaker 3: far as how much and for how long a couple
Speaker 3: of year contract offer him. I don't know what are
Speaker 3: your players center like a dynamic center of him? Is
Speaker 3: he is he out around the five hundred thousand mark.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm guessing. I don't know what they're worth. He you know,
Speaker 3: i'd pay him good money because he's he's going to
Speaker 3: be an impactful player for us. The thing with that
Speaker 3: that worries me and listening to that podcast is I
Speaker 3: don't I just don't know how rock solid he's going
Speaker 3: to be. You know, it wouldn't surprise me to see
Speaker 3: him go off the rails pretty easily, right.
Speaker 1: He mentioned how he mentioned just how sore his body was,
Speaker 1: which was interesting, Like I think Gary and a couple
Speaker 1: have said, you know, with surprised he got the first
Speaker 1: grade so early, but having been out of contact for
Speaker 1: so long, and I think he's probably I know it
Speaker 1: was really difficult conditions Gary for any outside backs on
Speaker 1: the weekend, but I think he's probably the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks it might have just hit him a little
Speaker 1: bit that it's this has all come pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe he played a game and a half of
Speaker 2: reserve grade. So he played a game and a half
Speaker 2: in about two years before he made his deboo.
Speaker 4: For us, So.
Speaker 2: I would expect him to be sore, because it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter how hard you train off the field, the physical
Speaker 2: toll your body goes through on the field is completely
Speaker 2: different to anything you can replicate at home by yourself,
Speaker 2: and he was at home by himself. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't think that side of it's surprising, but I think
Speaker 2: Steve is exactly right. No matter what way you paint it,
Speaker 2: it's still not a risk free signing, So I think
Speaker 2: there's got to be a little bit of probably a
Speaker 2: discount with that kind of in mind that you are
Speaker 2: still taking a risk on this guy. He's not that
Speaker 2: far out of the troubles he had in the past,
Speaker 2: and I think he's making a really strong goal of
Speaker 2: turning them around. And I've seen bits and pieces of
Speaker 2: that podcast, and I was I like how open and
Speaker 2: honest he was about his issues, and the first thing
Speaker 2: you have to do to kind of get past those issues.
Speaker 2: And you don't have to be open and honest on
Speaker 2: a pod like he was, but being open and honest
Speaker 2: with yourself about where you are as a person and
Speaker 2: where you are in life is really crucial, and he
Speaker 2: seems to have that, so hopefully he can make a
Speaker 2: fist of this opportunity because another big stuff up, he
Speaker 2: probably doesn't get another opportunity.
Speaker 4: So I thinker's crossed for him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd echo those remarks, the fingers crossed for the guy,
Speaker 3: because he does come across as a really likable guy
Speaker 3: who wants to get his act together. The opposite could
Speaker 3: be true as well, you know, like this could be
Speaker 3: the best thing that's ever happened for him, you know,
Speaker 3: like to be playing with his brother, and it's obvious,
Speaker 3: it's obvious that there's a strong bond there, to be
Speaker 3: playing for a coach that he respects, to be in
Speaker 3: amongst a group of mates that he really gets on
Speaker 3: with and feels a part of. He says every day
Speaker 3: is a challenge for him, that every getting up and
Speaker 3: being happy and content is a challenge. So maybe the
Speaker 3: West Tigers is that safe place for him. Maybe the
Speaker 3: West Tigers is exactly what needs and I really hope
Speaker 3: it is. I'd love to see it, you know, obviously
Speaker 3: for the club's perspective, i'd love to see it, but
Speaker 3: you know, just listening to him, I'd love to see
Speaker 3: it for him too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's crucial for him. Steve, he may
Speaker 2: not get the support that he has at the West
Speaker 2: Tigers at another club. The leaders of our team, Like
Speaker 2: he's got his brother there who's known him all his life.
Speaker 2: But the other leaders in our team, guys like Happy,
Speaker 2: Jerome Law, these are all guys that have known him
Speaker 2: for a long time, so that they're all from that
Speaker 2: Mount Druid area. They all came through together. Not necessarily
Speaker 2: he's a little bit younger than those guys, but his
Speaker 2: older brothers played played with those guys as well, so
Speaker 2: he's been around those guys for a long time. And
Speaker 2: I don't know that he gets that support at another
Speaker 2: club from that long term kind of base that he
Speaker 2: has with them. So I think this is probably the
Speaker 2: best place for him to be to get that opportunity
Speaker 2: to make those improvements that he's trying to make in
Speaker 2: his life.
Speaker 1: It was an interesting contrast because a lot of those
Speaker 1: Penrith boys, Gary are you know, they're pretty loud and brash,
Speaker 1: and like Jerome and Happy and Taruva and even Terrell,
Speaker 1: his older brother, is a pretty you know, like he
Speaker 1: will tell you what he thinks, where if Taylor struck me.
Speaker 1: He's very introverted, quite shy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I've mentioned before, like I used to teaching
Speaker 2: them out through an area. I've had interactions with the
Speaker 2: family for a long time and he always came across
Speaker 2: as a little bit quieter than the other two boys.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I just think the interesting point out of that,
Speaker 3: Gary is that you know, they've they've they're both now
Speaker 3: going to church regularly and they've sought solace and a
Speaker 3: whole lot of different areas. And it's taken them years
Speaker 3: and years and years obviously to get over the influence
Speaker 3: that you had on them at an early age.
Speaker 2: Mate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly what it is. One of them had
Speaker 4: to move to England to get away from it.
Speaker 1: I've been going to church lately, Steve, as well most people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, boys, I think we'll leave it there because
Speaker 1: there's no game this weekend. There's no quiz. But what
Speaker 1: are you going to do with yourself, Steve? With no
Speaker 1: game on the weekend. I love by weeks, especially coming
Speaker 1: off a win, means I can be happy for two weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just going to sit and watch a whole
Speaker 3: lot of football games. But you know, now, this ridiculous
Speaker 3: part of me starts.
Speaker 4: Becomes another rantity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, this ridiculous part of me starts to
Speaker 3: come out because because we had one win, I'm now
Speaker 3: thinking we can make the eight. So now I'm watching
Speaker 3: every single game thinking.
Speaker 4: Have you got that list of things that need to
Speaker 4: go our way? Yeah? De pin that to your wall,
Speaker 4: haven't you?
Speaker 3: And look if I can, just if I can, just
Speaker 3: if you'll just taking on for a minute. Now, I've
Speaker 3: got to go and hope that the Roosters beat the Dolphins.
Speaker 3: And I've never hoped that the Roosters beat anyone ever,
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm not sure how I'm going to do that.
Speaker 3: That's how I'm going to spin my weekend.
Speaker 4: I cansole this for you, Steve, We're not making the
Speaker 4: You know what, what.
Speaker 1: If the Dolphins had lost on the weekend and those
Speaker 1: three teams are all on nine wins with our run home,
Speaker 1: the ninth place dream is alive, Steve. The ninth place
Speaker 1: dream is alive.
Speaker 2: And he's been riding us all the way to the
Speaker 2: Wooden Spoon all season. He's just looking he's looking right up.
Speaker 1: I'll say it now. We will not get the Wooden Spoon.
Speaker 1: So first time I could confirm it this year, Steve,
Speaker 1: I've been I've been like you, but i've been watching
Speaker 1: all the bottom teams all year.
Speaker 3: As you know, that's really good. And he just said
Speaker 3: that's a real risk of taking it. It's like that
Speaker 3: bloke who said we couldn't take the game home. The
Speaker 3: guy's on the forum the other night that we couldn't run,
Speaker 3: couldn't get fat the game home.
Speaker 4: Mate.
Speaker 3: We were leaving twenty eight to eight with sixty seconds
Speaker 3: to go. I think we're taking the game home, but.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, it's scarred supporters. That was the same
Speaker 1: as I'm sure many Tigers fans Gary. When we scored
Speaker 1: the last try twenty six eight, I'm thinking, please kick
Speaker 1: the goal, do we otherwise they could come back and
Speaker 1: beat us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jordan was sitting behind me and said the exact
Speaker 4: same thing.
Speaker 1: So all right, boys, Well it's been a joyous podcast tonight.
Speaker 1: We hope to be back Sunday night. Joel will be back.
Speaker 1: But good to have a weekend off and nice to
Speaker 1: celebrate a win. So thank you boys, excus guys, thanks boys.
Speaker 3: Enjoying the game