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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasikos. I am Dan Valley coming at

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you with the one, the only, the indelible, the certified,

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fantabulous co host of Hardwood Knocks, mister Grant Hughes surprise

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surprise trade deadline content, But it is a bigger venture

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this time. We are previewing or looking ahead, or providing

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you with primers for every Eastern Conference team. The West

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will go up at some point next week. We're trying

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to strategize when we're gonna do these that they don't

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become too dated or get ruined by a trade. We're

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gonna go through all the fun stuff needs most likely

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player to be traded. Some cap situations to keep in

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mind first before we dive in, Grant, how the heck

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are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm upset at the collective Barning Agreement, which has made

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the only way to do big trades to involve like

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four or five teams, which increases the odds that a

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good third of what we're about to talk about will

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be stale and useless. So it was nice when you

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could do one for ones, but we're not there anymore.

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Speaker 1: It's also it's harder to go through like the pick

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protections now right than it's ever been when you're looking

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or the pick obligations, I should say, it feels.

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Speaker 2: Like everything has gotten harder with in this CBA. Just

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talking about teams in every way has become more complicent.

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Maybe that won't be the sense I have like a

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year from now or two years, but this is it's

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all just wildly more complicated and restrictive, and you just

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have to know more stuff than you used to used

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to be like, uh, they're within twenty percent salary wise,

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they're good. That trade works now, it's just like if

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Speaker 1: Do you have any notes, comments, concerns, thoughts on the

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All Star starters before we dive.

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Speaker 2: In Mostly okay, I think what we probably I can't remember.

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Speaker 1: So the East starters Donovan Mitchell, Jason Tatum, Giannis Karl,

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Anthony Towns, and Jalen Brunton were my starters. I think

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you had Garland over Mitchell. That's the only other candidate didn't.

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as a starter. He could be up there.

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Speaker 2: I think I might have had mobilely over kat did I.

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Speaker 1: He's another one who I think when it comes to

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some I love Lebron, I'm here for the Lebron nostalgia,

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but Anthony Davis or Victor Wemenyama over him. And I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that was just that there

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was no getting around that though, that you knew that

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it was You're you're gonna get the legends, you know,

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Speaker 1: Which maybe, honestly I'm fine with. And at this point

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it's which team are you starting for? Because there's eight teams.

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I don't like what.

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feels like there's I mean all I think we both

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we care more about like who makes All NBA and

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like the awards and that time like All Star is

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describe players will say like seven time All Stars, so

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and so do you I don't, yeah, something, it's just

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if you're trying to not repeat the name all the

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time or use pronouns like say he he he, it's

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are good, Like you don't make eight or ten All

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All Star starter, for example, is like a designation that

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might not actually indicate this guy is one of the

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Speaker 1: Well, there's also I found it fascinating Steph no wrote

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about this at Sporting News, the discrepancy between la Melo

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finishing first in fan voting and then seventh in media voting,

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where there's just that different perception. And what's also interesting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that one. I did hear some good

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Speaker 1: I think it's hard. I just feel like a lot

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of people gravitate towards the wrong focus on the defense

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of the availability. Don't he can't win. What team right

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in Charlotte has been built to win since LaMelo has

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Speaker 2: I think that's a fair. That's a fair.

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Speaker 1: He's following the domas a bonus track. Is that so

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many people thought he was overrated. I think domas a

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bonus is underrated now.

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Speaker 2: It always swings back at some point because too many

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people gom onto the idea.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the NBA trade deadline with

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regard to every single Eastern Conference team, the Atlanta Hawks.

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Things to know about the Hawks, though they are one

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point three million below the luxury tacks, they are not

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going to pay it. Do not try and convince us

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otherwise that they are going to pay it. So this

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is not a team that will be taking on money

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in any trades. Then you have some picks, of course

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that they could throw around, not their own, but they

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have the Lakers and Kings pay this year as well

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as the Pelicans or Milwaukee pick in twenty twenty seven.

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they could just stand still. Do you think they're more

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likely to try and add or subtract.

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Speaker 2: Well, just the lack of control of the twenty five,

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still could fit into that category. But this is just

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Hawks are pretty good and beyond that, like interesting and

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potentially competitive, like beyond a play in level, So I

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what's the what's the upside there? Right? Do you agree?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would I think they're probably more likely,

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this before. If I was running the Hawks right now,

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there's a chance I'd do something stupid. But it feels

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like their biggest need like to get like another creator

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injury is a bummer bug. Donovich has been injured, not

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played particularly well when he has been on the court,

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and then it's just you're asking a little too much

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of Jalen Johnson or Dyson Daniels to create often from

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these dead stops, even though Jalen Johnson's gotten way better there.

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the tax later, but like they're not they're not going

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tight enough that it's like it's just not worth getting

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into the tax. You want to get that payout from

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Speaker 1: What's also awkward, though, is that unless you think that

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into the starting lineup, so I guess they now have decided, Okay,

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like we're sure, and maybe they always were sure, but

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a backup play or another playmaker. And if you're not

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most part, So that makes it almost a little bit

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more difficult to traverse the trade deadline for them.

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Speaker 2: I think too. Like again, normally you would say, well,

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you let's turn that. Let's let's think about flipping him

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this situation like that would have seemed insane in years past,

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because like, who's clamoring for Capella at that number for

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a half season rental?

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Speaker 1: And even if you is, because doesn't it get tough too.

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and so you would then create another need. And maybe

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most likely player to be traded as Larry Nance Junior,

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just an expiring contract, and then that's the way. Okay,

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you're not compromising your center rotation at the moment. If

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it's a matter of attaching seconds or even just getting

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somebody who maybe gives you a little bit more ball handling,

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can you do address that need by going down that path?

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high end backup center. And if you're the Hawks and

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this year, like he just matters more even if you

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salary for next year, kind of like you mentioned and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not a lot happening or likely to happen here.

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the whole thing up because they're like five hundred since

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basically over the last month, they just like.

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Speaker 1: I can't bring myself to be concerned about them.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I'm making of course, like this is the

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most obvious, Like we're just like kind of tired and

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know how good we are, so I don't we don't

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care about late December to late January. That's all this is, right.

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I guess you could hand ring and probably Celtics fans

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that watch every second of every game could point to

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a half dozen things that like could be trouble spots

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if you wanted to be alarmist about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not.

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Speaker 2: It's going to take a lot more than a five

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hundred month for me to get there. I don't know

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how you feel, but I mean I do know how

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you feel. We kind of agree on it. So just

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not likely to be active for the following reasons. Essentially,

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the Celtics are over seven million dollars above the second apron.

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They essentially like they're they're as hamstrung by all of

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the restrictions as just about any team here, which is

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to say that you got you can't send out more

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than you take back, you can't aggregate all this other stuff.

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That's why Jaden Springer is probably this person that if

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you're talking about the Celtics trade deadline, you spend ninety

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five percent of your words on, because that's just someone

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that you might be able to send out into somebody's

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cap space or whatever and not take back money and

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save like four x his salary in salary and tax payments.

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Like beyond that, is there something you see Boston doing

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or something that Boston should be trying to do with

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their limited resources.

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Speaker 1: So I would let's note with this, so being in

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the second apron, like finishing the season there, you are

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now freezing your draft pick seven years into the future.

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It can no longer be traded. And then if you

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finish above the second apron and more than one of

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the next four seasons afterward, that pick drops to number

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thirty overall.

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Speaker 2: Now it remains frozen too, right, Like that doesn't go away.

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Speaker 1: Right, And I think that's the bigger thing here is

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that you have now if you finished in the second apron,

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you have functionally decided that this draft pick is not

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going to be on the table for basically like close

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to a half decade, and I'm just wondering. I don't

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see any way to do it, but they do have

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they have some interesting seconds to throw around. Do you

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view any one aside from Jayden Springer? And I think

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you're probably getting into the Peyton Pritcher Al Horford of

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it to where where they would decide, well, let's just

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get out of the second apron. I can't bring myself

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to think that way, but it's just in the back

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of my mind because the number is small enough. If

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they are seven point six million in the second apron,

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where in theory now you have to fill roster spots

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after all this, But seven point six million, that's doable

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even mid season if you really wanted to. But I

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ultimately think that if they're gonna do anything, maybe it's

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just to cut the tax bill. Or can you turn

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Jaden Springer into someone that you think, like, what would

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you have as their biggest need? I have reserve wing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always been the who's who can you play

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behind Tatum and Brown on the wing?

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Speaker 1: Like that, like him for Tory Craig, like like it's

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something like that. I don't even know if that does

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it like that still lowers your tax bill a little bit,

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to be fair.

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Speaker 2: I think I think it is interesting that like al

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Horford would get you there probably if you get him

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off the books for no money coming back and you

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sign a minimum guy or or figure out how to

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like bounce your two ways around to where your roster

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charges are minimal. Like I don't know, I I the

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restrictions are so brutal, like going down the road that

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like you might you might think about that. I think

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ultimately the Celtics like are actually justified and operating as

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if they were the Suns. You know, we've talked a

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lot about the Suns and just how recklessly they've they've done,

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Like the Suns seem to think they're as close to

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a championship as the Boston is. Uh, but so like

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that's all to say if Boston did want to just say, like,

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we don't care about that pick getting frozen, We're as

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good as a team can be right now, and we'll

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just eat it. Like that's justifiable. That's it's not for

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almost any other team, but them willingly staying above the

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second apron for as long as they need to to

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keep this window open is like, yeah, you should probably

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do that.

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Speaker 1: So would you consider So you have game Springer, that's

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four million, can't take back any more than that. If

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you're setting out the four million they have the two

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seconds I kind of have highlighted they own the most

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favorable from Detroit, Dallas, Golden State, or Washington. So that's

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number thirty one, yes, that's yeah, they oh number thirty

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one this year and then in twenty twenty six the

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most favorable for Minnesota, New Orleans, New York, or Portland.

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Like could you get or would you even be willing

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to say, hey, here's Jaden Springer our twenty twenty five

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first round pick, and like if that could get you

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santi al Dama, oh, would you consider it? Like I

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don't know if Memphis would, But at the same time,

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like Jay Huff is cheap there, they have Brandon Clark,

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they have Jaron Jackson, Junior Zach Edy or I don't

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think the Kings would do this, but maybe a twenty

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twenty five first one or both of these seconds for

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Keon ellis Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean that you've really you've opened my eyes, like

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there are actually things they could do here. I would

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counter and like Aldama. I think Aldama's my favorite. Well,

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I really like Elis too.

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Speaker 1: Ellis might feel more of an immediate need. But when

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you're looking at the trajectory of al Horford the injury

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stuff to christophs Porzingis, you could argue that, like Sandi,

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al Dama might feel better long term need in addition

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to right an immediate need. At the same time, he's

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gonna be like, are you gonna pay? If you're not

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going to pay him, there's no point in giving up stuff.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. He's about to get paid, And I think al

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Dama's gonna get paid or whatever that counts for these days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna say he probably doesn't get he'll get

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less than the mid level. I'm just gonna default to

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that for like almost everybody at.

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Speaker 2: This point, I would. The counter though, is like, let's

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say that twenty five second is number thirty one. If

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you're Boston and you are as expensive and inflexible as

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you are, don't you kind of want like a really

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good second like the basically the best second round pick

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you can have and cost control that because the rules

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for signing guys to contracts in the second round are

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like kind of whatever the fuck you want to do.

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It's not like there's there's there's slotted scales like in

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the first round.

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Speaker 1: So they're probably gonna end up with number twenty eight.

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And so what you're saying is you'd rather trade number

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twenty eight and then number thirty one.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just think.

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Speaker 1: You're not You're not.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying the value of an early second round

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or to Boston might be like more significant than it

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would be for almost any other team because of all

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the restrictions that they're facing.

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Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. It's just like, wouldn't couldn't

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you envision us a scenario where the want at number

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twenty eight is available at number thirty one and you're

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gonna get them incrementally cheaper, So why not trade number

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twenty eight? Because then it's the team says we got

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a first round pick the other team and you're like,

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we got the same guy we were always gonna get exactly.

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Speaker 2: And if you're Boston, you can even like I don't know,

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you can make a promise to somebody like, hey, don't

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go work out for whoever is. You know, It's like

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I think if you if you told me that that

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pick is the key to getting Elis or Aldama or whatever,

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then I'm trading that pick. But if that stuff's not

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on the table, I value that.

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Speaker 1: If I'm Boston, my King's logic. By the way Ellis

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is playing more, it's just Devin Carter's there. If they

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were looking to pick up an additional first round pick,

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if I'm Boston, I might give up that first And

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because he has another year of cost controlled left right

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Keon Ellis, I would send out my first in both

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these seconds for him. I would even think twice about it.

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If he's under if he's cheap for another year, which

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I believe he is, I'll double check it. I would

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absolutely send out just all three of those things. You

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know what, that's that's me. And does he has a

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team option so we would still be cheap, but that's me.

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How much is he playing in Boston?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, less than he is now, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: I would give up my first round pick for him, though.

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Speaker 2: That's I would especially late.

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Speaker 1: Most likely player to be traded those jads, but would

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even be the second.

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Speaker 2: I mean the second name is like Al Horford, and

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there's no way they're trading Al Horford.

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Speaker 1: Well, what if you get back to the Alabama.

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Speaker 2: Well then you have to pay him. It's it's Springer

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and it's not close.

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Speaker 1: The Brooklyn Nets they are notably six hundred and seventy

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thousand dollars beneath the luxury tax, and so they're not

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taking on money as part of any deal either. They're

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gonna be looking at shed salary if anything. They have

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a bunch of picks, but like like all those Knicks

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picks they have, I just there's not like so they

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they're sending. They're not trading a first round pick. That's

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what I'm basically getting at. So they're just will they

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trade Cam Johnson? Will they trade Cam Thomas? Do they

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look at trading Dayron Sharper, Nicholas Claxton, what is how

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do you approach the trade deadline as the Nets grant

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knowing that, like you've done, the two most likely players

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to be traded have already been traded.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've kind of had a change of heart

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about them recently because I kind of put them in

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the bucket of like, if it's not nailed down, trade it.

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That extends to Cam Johnson, get whatever you can. You're rebuilding.

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Who cares the goals to be bad because you got

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your picks back on and on, and now I kind

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of am thinking, like, obviously, if you can get to first,

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then they're real. First. For Cam Johnson, you absolutely trade

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him because, like, I don't think his value is going

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to get any higher. I think this particular market where

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based on what he makes and like just who else

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is available comparatively. He just looks very good, plug and

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play all that stuff. If you get to first, do it.

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But I don't think it's the worst thing in the

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world if you can, if you hang on to him

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through this deadline. And that's just because he is a

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player type that I'm going to argue against myself, like

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that this player type should retain value. It's not like

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it's an aging star that well, one more year goes

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by and he can't be the leader of our offense.

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Like that's just not what Cam Johnson is. And I think,

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because you also got control of the twenty six pick back,

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your timeline is not It's not like this is the

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year that the tanking has to begin an end. It's

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like you could just do this next year and maybe

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the market is more favorable than it is now. So

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I think we're gonna talk about who's the most likely

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player to be traded. I would have said Cam Johnson

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a week ago, but just think just in terms of

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like what's available, where the market seems to be going.

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I don't think it's a huge mistake if they hold

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on to him. But what do you think about that?

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Is it? Do you have to move him now because

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he is playing like better than he has and he's

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not young?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I know, so I would say that my most

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likely player to be trade is Dayron Sharp because he's

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not under contract for next year, he's had some injury issues.

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There are teams that could use secondary bigs, and he

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will give you some mobile heft. And I'm with you.

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I just don't think there's an urgency to move Cam Johnson.

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I'm and look, if one of the first round picks,

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like it's just like in the that you know it's

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going to be bottom five in this year's draft, what's

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the do you still have that urgency. I even prefer

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a pick that's not in twenty twenty five, And then

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i'd rather if you're not going to send another pick

475
00:21:05,559 --> 00:21:07,640
on top of that, I want a player, which is

476
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,480
why I think that some people have circled the Kings

477
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,759
where it's what would they give you Devin Carter and

478
00:21:11,799 --> 00:21:14,160
a pick with Kevin Herder, And I don't think they would.

479
00:21:14,759 --> 00:21:17,559
He's in that's that's where Cam Johnson's also in bizarre

480
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,920
territory because we've gone through this with the Warriors. Is

481
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:21,960
I think he'd be an excellent fit there, But like,

482
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,640
how much of your stuff are you actually willing to

483
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,480
if you're trying to straddle a middle ground? How far

484
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,680
is too far? I have a question for you, though,

485
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,559
even though I don't think there's an urgency to move him.

486
00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:34,960
Which team says no to this? The Nets get Jock Landale,

487
00:21:35,079 --> 00:21:38,079
Jay Sean Tate and their twenty twenty seven first round

488
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:43,799
pick back. Houston gets Cam Johnson, who says, no, there's

489
00:21:43,799 --> 00:21:45,720
a swap right now that they owed, like you said,

490
00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:46,599
the right to swap it.

491
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 2: Man, I don't think who So that's the way that

492
00:21:50,599 --> 00:21:52,799
one first gets it done if it's as if it's

493
00:21:52,839 --> 00:21:57,400
your own right like that. I if I'm Brooklyn, I

494
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,240
don't know. I think I might do that, So I

495
00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:03,119
guess Houston, But I think that's kind of like they

496
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,359
both should They both might say yes their do you

497
00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:07,400
what do you think do you think Houston's the one

498
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:08,960
that says no, I'm.

499
00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:11,799
Speaker 1: Just if you're Houston. I understand the optics of this,

500
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,599
Like you have the right to swap with the Nets,

501
00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:16,440
but like the Nets two years from now, even if

502
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,240
you don't think they're gonna be as good as you,

503
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,319
they're not, Like, are they gonna be one of the

504
00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:25,240
what are the odds? It's more likely that the pick

505
00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:27,440
the Sun sent to the Jazz in twenty thirty one

506
00:22:27,519 --> 00:22:30,160
is gonna convey in the top ten to me than

507
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,759
the Nets pick in twenty twenty seven to Houston.

508
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,559
Speaker 2: It is hard to Yeah, it's hard to be sure.

509
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,559
I mean a lot depends on that might be.

510
00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:41,039
Speaker 1: My lack of It's just two thousand and thirty one

511
00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:42,759
is so far away because I think you can make

512
00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:45,720
the argument that the most valuable Suns pick out there

513
00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:48,319
is like having the right to have twenty twenty eight

514
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,079
or twenty twenty nine, Like those feel like the ideal

515
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,119
years for Brooklyn. You know they're gonna be terrible the

516
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,440
next two years, and we've this year was proof because

517
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,599
they were too good and they just a blittered. They

518
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,519
they stopped being too good. They made trades that were early.

519
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,680
I think I honestly think Houston's the team that winds

520
00:23:05,759 --> 00:23:08,599
up saying no, I'm not sure that they should though,

521
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,799
because Cam Johnson comes in doesn't compromise your long term

522
00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:14,279
payroll structure. But if you're worried about, well, where are

523
00:23:14,319 --> 00:23:16,960
you finding him minutes? Because Jay Schontate is playing now,

524
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,000
but you're basically set like where like who's minutes are

525
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:22,960
being chopped down? Like Cam Whitmore has been playing a

526
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,160
little bit extra, Reed Shepherd's already not playing, So how

527
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,839
are you figuring out the rotational balance?

528
00:23:28,079 --> 00:23:31,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's iterations of the Rockets, you know

529
00:23:31,319 --> 00:23:33,480
a year from now that involved like well Fred van

530
00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:35,839
Vliet's gone and Aman Thompson's the point guard and so

531
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,960
then you really need another shooter out there. It can't

532
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,240
just be Jabari Smith. So like then Cam Johnson makes sense.

533
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,799
But yeah, you're right, like as it is, like he

534
00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:45,279
should play, he should be in the rotation and or

535
00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:47,759
or start for wherever he ends up. But the Rockets

536
00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:50,160
are kind of they already have too many guys went healthy.

537
00:23:50,279 --> 00:23:52,960
Like I guess if you think man Jabbari is like

538
00:23:53,079 --> 00:23:55,519
we're worried about how he's gonna look when he comes

539
00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:57,759
back and we want to win as much as we

540
00:23:57,799 --> 00:24:00,279
can this year then, But that kind of short term

541
00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:02,599
thinking just doesn't really square with I think where Houston

542
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:03,279
is now.

543
00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:05,559
Speaker 1: I'm contradicting my assumption though, But couldn't you look at

544
00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:08,559
it as Cam Johnson in his role with the Rockets

545
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,279
or that like swapping with the Nets? What has more value?

546
00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:16,480
Like like, couldn't you in theory like Cam Johnson's trade

547
00:24:16,519 --> 00:24:18,640
value even if he goes to Houston and plays like

548
00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:19,640
it's not gonna.

549
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 2: Nuke, you wouldn't think, Yeah, no, I don't. I don't.

550
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,839
I don't think it would. I guess like a lot

551
00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:28,400
of it honestly would depend on So let's just okay, well,

552
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,880
what's what is the what's the most likely way that

553
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,279
that giving that giving back that swap if you're Houston

554
00:24:34,319 --> 00:24:37,599
like really comes back to bite you, and it's the

555
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,839
Nets just like continue to be one of the five

556
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,400
worst teams, right, and like looking at the free agent landscape,

557
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,559
like who's the next guy that's gonna shake loose that

558
00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:49,599
they might use that cap space on to get them

559
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,480
back to like, well, now this pick is thirteenth or whatever,

560
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:54,920
Like I don't know. I don't know who that guy is.

561
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,720
Like we're all we do is talk about how there

562
00:24:57,759 --> 00:25:02,359
are no free agents anymore. Everybody resigns. I so, yeah,

563
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,720
I don't I think to answer your question initially, I

564
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,880
do think Houston is the one that says no. I

565
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,200
don't know if that's the right decision. I just think Brooklyn,

566
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,480
if it can get that pickback, should Yes, you should

567
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,279
do that. That's that csier side of.

568
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,519
Speaker 1: It, is it. It was my own idea. I kind

569
00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:17,599
of like it for both sides because too, That's why

570
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,240
I hesitated even with Houston. It's I'm not advocating because

571
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,000
both of these players are bet way better defensively, but

572
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,920
like Cam Johnson's number being locked in for the next

573
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,960
two years, if Jabari Smith Junior or Atari Easton like

574
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,240
end up pricing themselves out and you don't want to

575
00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:34,480
necessarily get rid of a Dylan Brooks or something, it

576
00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:38,519
just gives you more flexibility there. So I would do

577
00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:40,160
it if I'm both sides. But it was my own idea,

578
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,119
so that probably rings hollow. Let's know in the comments

579
00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:44,400
which team says no to that. As we move on

580
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,279
to everybody's favorite team, the Charlotte Hornets. Yeah, Grant, let's

581
00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:49,960
talk about this. I know that they're your team. But

582
00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:52,279
can LaMelo Ball win? Kidding?

583
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 2: Is he a winning player?

584
00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: Uh?

585
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 2: Nobody knows. We'll never know. We're not gonna Uh, Charlotte's

586
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,759
too bad. So they are seven point two million below

587
00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:06,000
the Tacks. Their twenty five first rounders going to the

588
00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:08,480
Spurs with lottery protection turns into twenty six and twenty

589
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,400
seven seconds. We've talked about that. They're not in danger

590
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,440
of getting into tax territory for next season either. They

591
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,000
could even be a team that has cap space to spend,

592
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,200
which again the I don't know who that's getting spent on,

593
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,359
But there are so few teams that can say that

594
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,880
that it means something, right, Like it's still just like, oh,

595
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,480
Brooklyn and San Antonio can get there, and then that's it. Like,

596
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,480
you know, there's a couple other teams that can get

597
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,039
there too. But to have the ability to be a

598
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:40,160
cap space team, I think maybe counts for both more

599
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,160
and less than it used to, just because there are

600
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,359
so few teams that can do that and cap space

601
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,680
doesn't seem to mean much. So that's a I guess

602
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,960
that's like a eye of the beholder situation. This is

603
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,680
one of the worst teams in the league. Brandon Miller's

604
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,240
out for the season now after surgery on that wrist injury.

605
00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:57,480
I'm not sure how helpful of the player he was,

606
00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:00,440
but like, this isn't this isn't a bye team, this

607
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,160
is this is still I think, And tell me where

608
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,920
whether you agree or disagree with the note here on

609
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,279
the screen, Like they should just be taking bad money

610
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:10,160
on right, Like it seems like that would be the

611
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,119
type of thing this new ownership and management would do.

612
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:16,480
Is like, let's take the long view we can If

613
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,839
we suck next year, fine, We're trying to make decisions

614
00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:23,039
that make us sustainably good, you know, starting in a

615
00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:26,759
couple of years. That feels like the more likely scenario

616
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,079
for them, as opposed to we need another young player

617
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,880
to add to our core. Like that doesn't that That's

618
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,400
not the way things seem to be shaping up to me.

619
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: No, I think if the Nick Richards trade is probably

620
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,759
a good analog, just even if they don't take back

621
00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:45,039
long term money, Like I have Cody Martin as the

622
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,039
most likely player to be traded, surprise, surprise. But like

623
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:48,799
if a team like he's making eight million dollars as

624
00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:51,480
contracts non guaranteed for next year. You can move him.

625
00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:53,160
I think the biggest thing he does is going to

626
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,480
be on defense. Like his just positional versatility there and

627
00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:00,119
ability to be effective in those different situations. Try and

628
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,160
get seconds for guys that don't factor into the long

629
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,519
term plan without maybe taking back then really bad money.

630
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,039
Those seem like the one you outlaid and then that

631
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,119
those seem like the two ways they'll go. And I

632
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,359
think that's the right way right now because I get

633
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,279
wanting to remain maybe a little bit lean with your

634
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:19,480
payroll moving forward. But you just have no idea how

635
00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:22,279
close to a breakthrough you are. Because I like, there's

636
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:24,480
real hope for Brandon Miller. I don't know how I

637
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,200
feel about his all NBA upside anymore, but as like

638
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,880
a number two, number three guy, like there's potential there

639
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,519
and you know you have LaMelo, that's it. Like the

640
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:36,920
t John Salon, Josh Green, even Mark Williams with durability issues,

641
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,559
you just you don't have enough nailed down that you

642
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,839
know needs to be here long term. You need more

643
00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:46,960
information and I don't like their future is one of

644
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,839
the hardest to map out, because I could tell you

645
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,079
very easily what I think they should do with the

646
00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:53,359
trade deadline. But looking at them through a long term lens,

647
00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:56,480
I really think that this year's draft pick is going

648
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:58,000
to be a defining moment for them.

649
00:28:58,359 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I agree, And it's interesting to note again

650
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:04,559
this would mean something different I think in other years.

651
00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:06,240
But I want to make sure I get this right

652
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:10,599
just looking at so they get they have. Joshakogen now

653
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,480
came over in the Richard trade. His salary is non

654
00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:16,559
guaranteed for next year. That's about seven almost eight million.

655
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:19,799
That's also the case for Martin eight point seven million

656
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,759
non guaranteed, and vasili Micic is eight point one million,

657
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:26,880
and it's a team option. So that's I mean, that's

658
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,279
not a real player that you know of expiring salary

659
00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:32,920
that you could send somebody that just wants clean books

660
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,720
that you could take back. I don't know who that is.

661
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:38,960
But normally we'd be talking about Charlotte as an obvious

662
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:41,680
like get out of jail free card for some other

663
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,160
team that has bad money. Like maybe that still happens.

664
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,880
I don't think, like, for example, I'm just trying to

665
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,200
think of names with big money and would like to

666
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,480
get off, Like Jeremy Grant is not coming to Charlotte,

667
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:52,480
Is that what you're gonna say?

668
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: Because they're poorly trouble just fans that said they wouldn't

669
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,519
take both Lakers picks for Jeremy Grant, which was bonkers

670
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:03,200
in the moment, And I'm like, would you even get

671
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,960
And Portland is not super flexed, They're not going to be,

672
00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:07,960
and even if they are, they'll figure out a way

673
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,079
to duck the tax. But like if you could, if

674
00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:13,160
it was just you'd have to send back. Actually, I

675
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,799
think those three they don't. Charlotte doesn't want to be

676
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:17,160
a tax team, so it's like it would have to

677
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,759
be a four for one to get super complicated. And

678
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:22,440
that's also the other thing here, but so he makes

679
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,519
too much, but like who would be another player where

680
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:26,000
it's like do you just see.

681
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,559
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that's so sick that he was the exact

682
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:33,079
same We both came up with Jeremy Grant, who doesn't

683
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:36,160
fit by the way, exactly salary wise, we need, like.

684
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: You said, Washington and his deals declining, they're not going

685
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,680
to want to get out of Kuzma that badly.

686
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're not and if you're I'm trying to think, like, well,

687
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,559
obviously Washington should not be giving up picks, but like,

688
00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:50,160
if you're Charlotte, are you saying to take on Kuzma,

689
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,079
we need a pick from you?

690
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: I would, I would take the I mean with the

691
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,559
way that Miles Bridges has played this year, but like

692
00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:57,400
now you're cannibalized.

693
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: Having Kuzma on the hornets, like what's.

694
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,839
Speaker 1: On there too? Yeah, so that's just you're not gonna

695
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,799
do that. It would be like a Jeremy If Jeremy

696
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:07,519
Grant made less, though, that wouldn't be a terror because

697
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:09,720
he's not going to ruin your tank. If you could

698
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:12,319
just send those three out to get him and stay

699
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:14,599
out of the tax like Portland didn't want picks back,

700
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:16,519
and maybe you're you're using other teams to figure out

701
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:19,720
the roster spot math. That's not I don't think that's

702
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,200
a terrible Like either he reboots his value and you

703
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,279
can put him for something else later, either you get

704
00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:27,000
better and he helps you, or ends up being oh,

705
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:29,319
we used up our cap space on Jeremy Grant and

706
00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:31,599
we weren't gonna sign anybody who was fantastic anyway.

707
00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:33,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, what you really don't want is to take on

708
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,680
grant and this is as good as he's gonna be,

709
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:39,279
which is under forty percent from the field, like the

710
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:41,680
thing that it's not great right now, and then you're

711
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,640
in the position of like this money's here until we

712
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,680
give up a pick to move it, Like that's the

713
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,359
worst case for them, and they cannot. If there's like

714
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,599
a ten percent chance that that's how it goes, you

715
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,000
probably can't do that because that's like so anithetical to everything.

716
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,759
So it's it's tough. Like again, normally, having seven fifteen, sixteen,

717
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:02,559
twenty five million in expiring salary is like, let's go,

718
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,799
like what are we gonna do with this? And I

719
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:05,839
don't feel like that's the.

720
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: Case at this But did he give you something to

721
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,680
take back? Terry? Terry?

722
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so to like nobody, it's everything is so

723
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,400
weird this year. I just I feel like the rules

724
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,000
are different, Like things that meant one thing last year

725
00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:22,319
at this time or two years ago certainly just don't

726
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:23,400
mean the same thing anymore.

727
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: So two questions, what do you think if they were

728
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,759
just chasing a flyer or like a second or third

729
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:30,839
draft guy, what do you think is their biggest need.

730
00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:35,119
Speaker 2: Well, it's I mean, they're kind of a blank slate.

731
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,519
I guess you're not good enough to best player available.

732
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,200
I would say, like, you can always just go to

733
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,359
wings that can defend as long. If LaMelo is your

734
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,440
cornerstone and you don't really want him at a point

735
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,920
of attack on defense or guarding another good wing, you

736
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,759
just need a guy that's gonna do that at three,

737
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,640
big shock, three and D. You know, let's get a

738
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,359
three and D wing out there to support our our

739
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,640
lead ball handler. That's about That's what I would think.

740
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,519
Speaker 1: What about I could see, I just I know Mark

741
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:05,759
Williams can be good, but just the minutes you've seen

742
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:08,200
from Bridges and Salon this year, they could use an upgrade,

743
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,480
unless you think Diabate is the answer, put like at

744
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,920
the four or five spot for sure. Like they would

745
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,319
be a team like if the Knicks. And I don't

746
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:16,599
think we'll get to the Knicks, but if they were

747
00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:20,400
gonna trade you Mitchell Robinson for Cody Martin essentially, like

748
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,880
I would do it, like you're including something else there

749
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,319
to make the math work, I would just yeah, why not, Like,

750
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,480
let's see Mark Williams might be better and maybe Mark

751
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,400
Williams will be healthier right forward, but that's something they

752
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,559
could do. So I also thought about, they don't necessarily

753
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:38,839
need this, but like you have the expiring contracts, technically,

754
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:41,279
would you consider like bringing Lonzo Ball in?

755
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:45,359
Speaker 2: One hundred percent every team should consider bringing Lonzo Ball in.

756
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,559
But yeah, sure, that's a I mean, I like the

757
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,240
story of that, and I'm weirdly like, wouldn't you say

758
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:54,160
that there.

759
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: Unless you think it's Trey Mann who's been banged up

760
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,200
ever since his hot start. They don't necessarily have like

761
00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:02,319
a another guard next to LaMelo of the IVY, Brandon

762
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:03,759
Miller is a wing, so if you want to say

763
00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:04,119
he's that.

764
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:07,559
Speaker 2: But what's so bizarre is how good of a fit

765
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,679
Lonzo is next to LaMelo, because they're so different. I mean,

766
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,559
and then like some like every would you say that whatever,

767
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,119
however unfounded it is or wealth, it's just perspective. LaMelo

768
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,239
is not a winner, like no one would say Lonzo

769
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,199
is like the opposite of that, like, oh he makes

770
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,280
everybody better. He does all the little things like that

771
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,119
guy's defends makes open threes. Now again, Lonzo has the

772
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:33,960
injury stuff obviously, but like, yeah, he would fit great.

773
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:35,320
He would be an awesome fit there.

774
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: And also because the Bulls, and we're about to talk

775
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,519
about them, but just very quickly, they're so close to

776
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:43,159
the tax. Like if you're Charlotte and you do vasa

777
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,599
mesic and one of your other like non guarantees, I

778
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,760
would probably, Ah, would you lean towards if you're Charlotte

779
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,280
and it had to be Cody Martin or Josha Kogi?

780
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:54,800
A Kogi saves the Bulls more money under the tax,

781
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,760
but like who would you? It'd be message plus one

782
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,639
of those guys for Lonzo. I'm just one hundred percent

783
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,760
doing that. Yeah, And I would send out I mean

784
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,199
you'd have to look at their second round pick commitment.

785
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:08,880
It's not sending out like a great second to do

786
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,320
it because they could they could just sign Lonzo Ball

787
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:12,960
this summer if they really wanted to. But if the

788
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,719
Bulls are just looking to increase their breathing room maybe

789
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,199
for other deals. If I'm Charlotte, I'm trying to see

790
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,360
like if they have any just throwaway second, like a

791
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,880
protected second, So it would just be something to consider.

792
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,320
And also the story would be really Oh, they have

793
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,320
a shit ton of seconds coming in, Like I would

794
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,599
give them. So that two of those guys plus Denver's

795
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:36,159
twenty twenty six second, why not do it? The Calves.

796
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,320
They're one point seven million into the tax, and they

797
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,239
have conveyed that they will pay the tax. I just

798
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,719
question whether they will because they're already seven million into

799
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,639
the tax next season. That's with just ten deals in

800
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,239
roster charges. And so that's not including Karas Lovert or

801
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,280
Todd Jerome, who's been pretty important this year. They have

802
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,880
the ability to trade their twenty and thirty one first

803
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,079
rounder and a twenty three swap if they wanted to

804
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:05,360
do something kind of splashy. Do you think to move here? Oh?

805
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,039
Sorry to go back to Charlotte. Who do you think

806
00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:08,440
is their most likely player to be traded?

807
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:13,079
Speaker 2: I think probably Martin. You can make the case for

808
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:15,639
a Kogie. I'm just of those two, I think they're

809
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:17,679
more likely than Mitch to be like, oh, I could

810
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:20,400
see a team. Yeah, those two could help a team,

811
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:23,079
like you know, just as wings Mitich is like, you

812
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:26,000
need a third point guard? I don't know with.

813
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,519
Speaker 1: So with Cleveland, let's look at it this way. Do

814
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:31,840
you think that their most likely move is do we

815
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,360
just trade away Tristan Thompson, and that ducks the tax

816
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,599
for us and we roll forward.

817
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,159
Speaker 2: I mean, if it's not him, yes, if it's not Thompson,

818
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:40,960
what's the other path to do in that? Like, I

819
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,079
feel like you kind of need everybody else need more

820
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:48,119
than you need Thompson. Granted that Mobley's injury right now

821
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:50,639
means you probably want that other big Thompson's actually like

822
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,400
playing occasionally now. But who else are you even considering

823
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,679
as a way to get a duck that one point

824
00:36:57,039 --> 00:36:58,880
cut that one point seven million off? I don't I

825
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,079
don't really see an obvious.

826
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: Can I think what you could? I don't like. I

827
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,000
don't think they would. They're definitely not, excuse me, dumping

828
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:08,079
Ty Jerome. Would they consider that with Sam Merrill? Like

829
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:10,000
he's played important minutes for them, But you do have

830
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,039
Max Strews. The move for them would be And these

831
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:17,320
are different levels of significance, But you take Caris Lavert

832
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:21,159
or Isaacacorro or George Niang and you just turn them

833
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:23,920
into a cheaper player as part of the larger deal.

834
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,000
I think at this point it feels like Kris LeVert

835
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,880
may actually be the most important of those three, but

836
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,199
also George Niang, Like, do you want Dean Wade playing

837
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,599
up like all the time because you have Mobile and

838
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:39,079
Allen like your center is set? But do you want

839
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:41,559
to if you trade away George Yang and don't get

840
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:44,800
back a four or a combo big? Like how much

841
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,880
are you trusting like a Dean Wade to play up

842
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,079
a Max s Truce to play up? But it almost

843
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:52,599
if you're looking to actually make like you're not if

844
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:54,320
you're not gonna give up Thompson, I'm wondering if the

845
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,880
name is do you trade George Niang attached to something

846
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,679
and you're getting a cheaper place layer back?

847
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna know this isn't good pod and

848
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,719
I'm gonna short circuit the exercise. But like, no, you

849
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,199
just don't. You don't take anybody off of this roster

850
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:14,760
that has just kicked ass all season when you have

851
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,159
the option to just make it be Tristan Thompson to

852
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,360
duck the tax I think, like, for sure, there are

853
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,480
You're right, there are ways that I wasn't really thinking

854
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,800
of that You can you can cut salary without like

855
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:29,519
you know, waving somebody essentially or trading them into nothing.

856
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,719
You can just downgrade a couple of other spots. I

857
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,760
just think if you're the Calves, you know the look

858
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,000
for years it was like who's that fifth guy that's

859
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:40,960
gonna be between the two bigs and the two smalls.

860
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,880
They have like three or four different players, and I'm like,

861
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,320
fine within that role now and obviously the results are

862
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,119
what they are. So like, how big of an issue

863
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,760
can the lack of a stud small forward really be?

864
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,280
I just think it's Thompson to duck the tax and

865
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,320
then like I'm just dusting my hands off. If I'm

866
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,000
the Calves at the deadline.

867
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:00,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. So you don't view it as like

868
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,719
they should maybe look to upgrade off of Niang.

869
00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: I mean, how much better can this team get?

870
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

871
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,639
Speaker 2: Like there, I know, I I'm you're You're right, Like, yes,

872
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,440
if you're this good, then obviously you're not going the

873
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:20,000
other way. Uh. But but like it's just I don't

874
00:39:20,039 --> 00:39:22,280
know who the player. It would have to be obvious

875
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:24,920
if you're a team this good needs an obvious move.

876
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,800
I think to justify doing anything of consequence, it means

877
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,039
like it's not quite it's not quite saying like you'd

878
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:33,559
be getting greedy because like you should always be like

879
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:36,199
the lip service teams always plays. We're all open to opportunities.

880
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:38,039
We're always trying to get better. Like, yes, that that's

881
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:41,760
a real thing, but it's like, how how much better

882
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,760
can the Cavs get? They're the best offense in the league,

883
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,559
they got a guy we both think is one of

884
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:46,840
the best.

885
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know, and yeah, in those spots,

886
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,480
if you're looking for a true upgrade, it's it's a

887
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,239
lot of the times, especially if affordability is an issue,

888
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,679
you're looking at guys who are not available, like it

889
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,000
Kenrich Williams, I think would be an upgrade. But the

890
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:01,440
thunder are not going to trade you. Kendrich Williams, I

891
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,039
wouldn't think.

892
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,199
Speaker 2: No, you're and if you're the Cavs, I don't think

893
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:07,159
you're putting the twenty thirty swap or the twenty thirty

894
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:10,719
one first rounder on the table. I think, like again,

895
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,119
easier to justify it for them than Phoenix because they've

896
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:15,480
already reached the level Phoenix wants to get to. But

897
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,800
I I don't. I don't know who the player is

898
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,000
that would make me change my opinion about holding onto

899
00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:21,519
those picks.

900
00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: So this let you duck the tax. But if it was,

901
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,719
I just don't know how much you would have to

902
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,760
send to Detroit if it was like Neang For some

903
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,960
mony Fontechio, Neang is more of the combo.

904
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: Big well Antekyo. I think is just better though right

905
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,079
like I would I so, yes, that would be an upgrade.

906
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,760
Can you do that with seconds?

907
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: Do you think they could attach a bunch of seconds?

908
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:44,920
But if I'm Detroit, I don't know that I see

909
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,800
the value as I mean, Neang could play for them,

910
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,079
But and some mony Fontechio's minutes haven't been like ultra

911
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,440
high this year. He also hasn't been as good as

912
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,360
he was last year on balance. But if I'm Detroit,

913
00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:58,039
I don't know that that moves me. And I guess

914
00:40:58,039 --> 00:40:59,320
that's the issue you run into.

915
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: I guess I'm if I was the Cavs, I might

916
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,159
be more open to considering because I don't My concern

917
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:07,199
would be because the Niang minute's have been fine this year.

918
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,039
Speaker 1: I just don't know what value he has to you

919
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:10,400
in the playoffs.

920
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:12,679
Speaker 2: Right, and he's gonna play he'll play less obviously, And

921
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,639
then yeah, just from a skill standpoint, he's someone that

922
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,559
like even if you didn't shrink rotations in the playoffs,

923
00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:24,079
the the competition would necessitate like very spot use of

924
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,920
someone like Niang, where maybe maybe you could get someone

925
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,079
who is like less restrictive and you could actually make

926
00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:32,840
a rotation staple against You know how, we're through four

927
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,320
rounds of postseason play. Niang probably isn't that guy. That's

928
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,000
that's fair to.

929
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,119
Speaker 1: Say most likely player to be traded. Then do we

930
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:39,480
think it's just Tristan Thompson.

931
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: I gotta say, yeah, I don't. I don't.

932
00:41:41,559 --> 00:41:45,079
Speaker 1: I don't know, like the emotional component behind that. If

933
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,000
they ve is like a good locker room guy.

934
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,639
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you might say they're not gonna do

935
00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:50,920
anything and just pay the tax. But I think when

936
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,559
you're that close and Thompson, I mean, Thompson was out

937
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,239
of literally out of the league for like a good chunk,

938
00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:59,480
I mean he could could they what I guess if

939
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:02,440
you can't just like wait, yeah, they have to trade him.

940
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,159
You can't just bring them back for just to be around.

941
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:08,840
I don't know, make him, trade him somewhere. He retires,

942
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,760
he becomes an unofficial assistant coach, so he's still on

943
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:12,880
the bench when he comes.

944
00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: Back next up in our exercise is the Detroit Pistons.

945
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,519
Speaker 2: Arguably the team most likely to make a trade just

946
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,239
we've joked about that a lot, just the fourteen million

947
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,320
in cap space. They can be a way station, they

948
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,719
can be a facilitator. That's I mean, it's too bad

949
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,480
that that still feels like the most notable trade deadline

950
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,920
angle for them, because the Pistons are now a legit

951
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,599
team that we need to talk about. Yeah, they're good,

952
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,000
we need to talk about, well, what do they need?

953
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:43,559
Like how bold should they be in adding? I still

954
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:46,079
just think the first angle you have to talk about

955
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,800
is like what can they do? What can they get

956
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,599
sort of for the rental of that fourteen million in

957
00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:55,239
cap space as a third team or fourth or fifth team.

958
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,000
Who knows how big some of these deals will get.

959
00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:00,840
Do you think that's the right framing four them? Or

960
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,119
are we doing them a disservice by not talking about

961
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:05,239
them more like a normal team with oh they need

962
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,920
this or that or you know what I mean?

963
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,039
Speaker 1: I guess I would be I don't know that we're

964
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:12,639
doing them a disservice, But what are you gonna get

965
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,159
for acting as a salary midseason? There's real value in

966
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:18,639
it because other teams most likely can't do it unless

967
00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:21,440
we're gonna talk about teams tacking on money just through

968
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,320
their non tax payer mid level. But again, in most cases,

969
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,519
you're dealing with teams that maybe wouldn't want to pay

970
00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:28,639
the tax at that point to begin with, so it

971
00:43:28,639 --> 00:43:32,280
becomes weird. But like, what are you actually getting is

972
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,639
it to do that? I know it's not necessarily about

973
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,440
this year for them, and there's probably a middle ground

974
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,119
to where maybe you're taking back money that's going into

975
00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:43,400
next year that teams don't necessarily highly value. But this

976
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,000
player helps you. Now if I'm them, though, I'm more

977
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:49,920
so looking like like, could you do like a mini buy.

978
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:52,760
I'm not trading future first round picks, but if I

979
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,079
have to trade Marcus Sasser to get someone who helps

980
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:57,000
me and I have a ton of it, doesn't it

981
00:43:57,039 --> 00:43:58,800
feel like it's gonna end up being the middle ground

982
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,360
Because I don't think they. I feel like they end

983
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,079
up with someone who they don't have to give up

984
00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:06,800
assets for, but they also think is gonna play for them,

985
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:10,280
because like they're good enough to think in those terms

986
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,679
rather than oh we need this number twenty six first

987
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:14,280
round pick.

988
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean it's idea. In an

989
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:22,280
ideal world, you are getting an asset to take on

990
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:25,800
someone into your cap space as part of a larger

991
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,039
deal that you're like an ancillary or you're a facilitator in,

992
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,920
and that player is also a rotation upgrade. Like that's

993
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,840
a that's a lot of boxes to check.

994
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,519
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm struggling with the half one.

995
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm curious.

996
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: I guess based on his current and play. Maybe not.

997
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:43,320
But let's just say this team decides which they might

998
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,519
be tracking toward because they're towers that we don't want

999
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:47,800
to pay the tax this year? Do you just take

1000
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,480
Dennis Shrewder from the Warriors and the Warriors write that

1001
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:52,079
off as it took us three second round picks to

1002
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:55,840
get out of the tax, and the optics wouldn't be

1003
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,199
great because you actively signed the Anthony Melton and then

1004
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,280
in theory, would have just used picks to get off

1005
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,519
that money. But would you even consider them giving them

1006
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:06,039
a second or something like maybe the or would you

1007
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:09,840
even consider taking on like does Kevon Looney or Kyle

1008
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,639
Anderson play for this team or does GP two play

1009
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:13,440
for them? Maybe not?

1010
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 2: No, GP two wouldn't play because I don't think Kyle

1011
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,280
Anderson would either, just because we've been down the road

1012
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,639
of not putting shooting or around.

1013
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:22,679
Speaker 1: A point guard and then put shooting around it.

1014
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,079
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, sure that's true. You could use them for that. Yeah,

1015
00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:31,880
I I don't know. I don't don't they seem well, okay,

1016
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,000
let's let's let's go down the road of like they're

1017
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,119
not just gonna be Hey, here's fourteen million cap space,

1018
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,440
like what can how can we help you? They're not

1019
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:43,840
that team if they do go out and say, like

1020
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,000
we're trying to actually win a playoff round, improbable as

1021
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:49,039
that is for where they're where they might get in,

1022
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,880
what what are the additions you're looking to make? Forget

1023
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,320
the whole Like they got this cap space, they're gonna

1024
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,119
be like a helper, Like, what what are the pieces

1025
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,599
or piece this team should be looking to add If

1026
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,000
the goal is like we want to be better without

1027
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,000
compromising long term stuff, but like we want to get

1028
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:05,719
better this year.

1029
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: I really do think, especially post Jay and Ivy injury,

1030
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,199
that they need another like shot creator and maker to

1031
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,800
work both with and without Kate Cunningham. I think you

1032
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,440
could also argue Asar Thompson and Ron Holland they've given

1033
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,480
you good minutes. You have Simony font tech hel you

1034
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:23,199
have to Buias Harris. Right now, there's no like quote

1035
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,360
unquote two way wing on this stay. I guess if

1036
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,159
you want to call Kate cutting caml wing, sure let's

1037
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:31,639
go that route. But right so's he has a more

1038
00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:34,920
important job actually, so like I think you could talk

1039
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,039
with that. I think there's a way that you could say, right,

1040
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:41,280
like could you upgrade off the Jaen Duran Isaiah Stewart collective?

1041
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: Uh?

1042
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:44,559
Speaker 1: Sure, but I think I would be chasing like the

1043
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:47,159
most important angle if you want to do something this

1044
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,000
season for me and tell me if you disagree, would

1045
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:53,360
be the shot creator maker type. That's like especially going

1046
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,679
to be able to log minutes and maybe initiate stuff

1047
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:56,880
without Kate on the floor.

1048
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,559
Speaker 2: I think that's right, and like it is it's funny

1049
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:04,199
that like you go from one hindrance for Cunningham over

1050
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,119
several years, which is the lack of shooting, to now

1051
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,719
they're shooting, but there's just nobody else that can make

1052
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,079
a play, which is just like and a lot of

1053
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:14,920
that's Ivy being hurt, But even Ivy was you know.

1054
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: That's not his forte right now, No, it really isn't.

1055
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: He was more actually he was providing shooting, I believe

1056
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,559
it or not, Like that was really and secondary playmaking,

1057
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:25,599
like I do think, I do think that has to

1058
00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:29,960
be the focus. But then you're really you're talking about

1059
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,960
a backup probably because to you, like you said, you're

1060
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,280
not like the guy that is a legit secondary creator

1061
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,280
that can also defend, that can also make shots off

1062
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,039
the ball. Is like you can't get You're not getting

1063
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:42,960
that for what you're willing to give up. So it's

1064
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,840
gonna have to be like more of a backup. Like

1065
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,239
a shooter is a great example, Like it's just someone

1066
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,559
that you don't envision starting, but he's just going to

1067
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:53,079
lighten the load and maybe make your second units functional well.

1068
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: And also that's why and now apparently he doesn't want

1069
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,880
to leave Chicago. We didn't talk about this, well we

1070
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,400
haven't gotten them yet, but like they're perfect Zach Levine

1071
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,239
team to me, because I don't you know, if you

1072
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,280
have to give up a first round pick, okay, I'm done,

1073
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,000
But if it's part of your cap space, you have

1074
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,159
Tim Hardaway, Junior, Von Techio, Sasser like those names to

1075
00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:15,400
play around with. I would do that if I'm where

1076
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,719
Tim Hardaway's gone. In that scenario, maybe you prefer to

1077
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,079
give up Tobias Harris, but I think you still need

1078
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:22,719
Tobias Harris with Levigne coming in to fill some of

1079
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,760
those We want four spacing minutes in the front court

1080
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,280
and more maybe more dynamic offensive minutes in the front court,

1081
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,519
if you want to frame it that way, Like I

1082
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:33,360
would give up Sasser in that deal. It gets tough,

1083
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,039
Like with the salary matching. I'd like to figure out

1084
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:36,960
a way to keep Malik Beasley and some mony font Techio.

1085
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:40,280
But if it ends up being Fontechio, Sasser and Tim

1086
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,280
Hardaway Junior, I think that gets you to the money.

1087
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:45,320
I'm probably doing it if I'm Detroit, and then it's

1088
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,039
all right, you've compromised your quote unquote medium term books.

1089
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:49,599
But like Zach Colvin is still good.

1090
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: Right, and you're you're giving up I mean, it's it's

1091
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:53,639
kind of I would just almost view it as like

1092
00:48:54,639 --> 00:48:58,199
you're just taking the Hardaway role and like dramatically upgrading it,

1093
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,880
and you're doing in two do that You're giving up

1094
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,960
guys that are just like you, don't You're willing to

1095
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,280
give up those other salaries to make that happen. What

1096
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:08,199
does that do to Jaye n Ivy's future with the team.

1097
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,679
Speaker 1: That's where it gets weird. It's like, well, you've paid kid,

1098
00:49:11,039 --> 00:49:13,000
Levine's on the books for two more years. Ivy only

1099
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:16,199
has one more cost controlled year. At that point, I

1100
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:18,880
think you just flow it until restricted free agency unless

1101
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,840
he's willing to like extend to just the number that

1102
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,920
you can't even believe. And I don't think there's anything

1103
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,800
wrong like having those three guys on a team with

1104
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,599
the way that kid is defended this year, Like I

1105
00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:31,119
don't think, like that's not prohibitive at least to me.

1106
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,519
Speaker 2: Now, it's fun, it's it's workable, and and like you're.

1107
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: Really expensive year by the way, if you keep all

1108
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,559
three because that Levine's the only runs for two more seasons.

1109
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think that's they So that's a good

1110
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,599
example of like there are ways to look at the

1111
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:48,519
Pistons beyond they're going to be a facilitator because that

1112
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:50,239
is a trade that would make sense for them, and

1113
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,280
that it's like it's you're taking on a lot of

1114
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,679
money for one guy. That isn't like the answer, but man,

1115
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,840
he would be helpful, like he just he's just such

1116
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,559
an upgrade even like I don't know, soon might say,

1117
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:04,559
like how much is is Beasley at the role he's

1118
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:07,639
asked to play that much worse than Zach Lavine, Like yeah,

1119
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:11,159
a lot, But like I I can so I can

1120
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:13,960
see pushback is what I'm saying to a Levine type acquisition,

1121
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,840
But for this team, for where they are, for what

1122
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,199
they need, for what they know they have now in Cunningham,

1123
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,199
like it's not crazy to take on a big number,

1124
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,599
especially if like again, the market is not three first

1125
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:28,400
rounders for Zach Lavine. It's it's this might be the

1126
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:29,119
time to do it.

1127
00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: Because by contrast, I think you could say at least

1128
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,400
for this season, but even moving forward, like someone like

1129
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,519
Anthony Simons might make more sense. He costs half basically,

1130
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:38,800
well a little bit more than half, Zaqueen, you're not

1131
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,119
getting him for that pack at least I don't think

1132
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,400
like you're not getting him for Portland really wants to

1133
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,480
save money, and it's yeah, okay, we'll do it for

1134
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:48,079
Tim Hardaway Junior Marcus SATs right, Like, but you're not

1135
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:50,679
getting Anthony Simon's for that. You're not getting Collin Sexton

1136
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:52,960
for that. I don't like other names, Like you're not

1137
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,360
getting some of these other impact names for that. And

1138
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,320
that's why, Like, that's why Zack Lvine he's so expensive,

1139
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,000
but that's why that opportunity would theoretically be availed.

1140
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,119
Speaker 2: Sure, right, uh but most likely.

1141
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: Player to be traded.

1142
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,519
Speaker 2: You kind of got me going on Fontechio and I

1143
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:10,599
was looking at the numbers, like, I still think we

1144
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,159
both view Fontechio as better than than his role has been.

1145
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:17,199
But isn't it just Sassar? It feels like Sassar is

1146
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:20,400
we just talked about they need more playmakers, but that's

1147
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,119
not really what he is, even though he plays the

1148
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:24,880
position of a playmaker. So I guess I guess I'd

1149
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,760
go Sassar, but I'm open to Fontechio.

1150
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:30,039
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if it's Tim Hardaway Junior, or is he

1151
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:33,920
just played too much for them. He shot the ball

1152
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,840
better this season than uh Fontechio, for sure, and I

1153
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,159
think he I mean, he's played like recently, he's played

1154
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:42,679
like a shit ton, but you have But yeah, it's

1155
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,079
I guess it. I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go

1156
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:48,360
with Fontechio because I just don't what are you giving

1157
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,280
up Sassar for in a small deal he makes so little,

1158
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,360
like what hit inclusion feels like, here's like this half

1159
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:56,559
first round pick.

1160
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd have to view him, the acquiring team would

1161
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:00,840
have to view him as a second draft guy, and

1162
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,159
I just don't know that that makes sense since he's

1163
00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:08,119
already twenty four. Hardaway I would say that if the

1164
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,199
if the Pistons are gonna do anything, even in the

1165
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:13,239
neighborhood of a Levine type thing or like an actual acquisition,

1166
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,039
then it probably should be hard Away because you're just

1167
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:17,800
gonna need that bigger number to throw into a deal

1168
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,280
for someone that actually makes a difference. And I mean

1169
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,519
he's expiring, so like that's a team that's looking to

1170
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:26,519
move now, I'm just like stuck on Levine. Like the

1171
00:52:26,519 --> 00:52:29,519
Bulls would value that expiring sixteen what is it? Yeah,

1172
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:30,920
just over sixteen million.

1173
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: And honestly, the most likely scenario might just be their

1174
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,880
trading no One and someone's just coming into that cap space.

1175
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:39,559
Speaker 2: We've circled all the way back now to where we

1176
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:40,280
started with them.

1177
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:43,039
Speaker 1: This next team is my team, I believe, and it

1178
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:45,320
is the Indiana Pacers, who look, we have their draft

1179
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,320
pick commitments right, fans of the Indiana Pacers, they are

1180
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,679
one hundred and forty seven thousand dollars below the tax.

1181
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,599
So by the way, they are not going to pay

1182
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:55,639
the tax this year. They have they can do it,

1183
00:52:56,079 --> 00:52:58,000
but like there's a chance they'll be in the tax

1184
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:01,360
next year depending on how much Miles Turner costs to retain.

1185
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,519
And so I think that needs to be even if

1186
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:05,599
they're not taking on money in a deal this season,

1187
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,400
I do think that needs to be, if not top

1188
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,199
of mind in the middle, like in the mid mid

1189
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,079
back of your mind, that they're not going to take

1190
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:15,760
on a player who's making so much next year that

1191
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:19,039
they're definitely going to be in the tacks. They can

1192
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:22,599
trade first round equity, but they owe twenty six to

1193
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:26,039
Toronto top four protection also top four twenty twenty seven

1194
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:29,079
before becoming two seconds, So in theory they could still

1195
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:32,280
trade up to two first round picks plus swaps. I

1196
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,559
just don't let's start here. Is their biggest need still

1197
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,280
what's always been their biggest need.

1198
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:42,559
Speaker 2: Just a wing that can guard that's bigger than Aarony Smith.

1199
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: That me Smith is back, and so that eat and

1200
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:47,280
like that also complicates things because now that eats into

1201
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,280
Jaris Walker's minutes a little bit. But I do still

1202
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,800
think that's their biggest need. What is the So who's

1203
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,000
the most likely player to be traded on this team?

1204
00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:57,519
This was one of the tougher ones for me.

1205
00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:00,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. I think, like you you do have

1206
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:02,280
to I think you touched on this. You have to

1207
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,760
loop in the like what's Miles turning going to cost?

1208
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,559
Assuming they do want to keep him, which like the

1209
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:09,920
fact that we're not really talking about him. This is

1210
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,360
another example expiring salary, Like this is someone that you

1211
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,400
might be looking to move because all we could walk

1212
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,280
for nothing. I think it seems like the goal is

1213
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,400
to just re sign him, but you've got the tax concerns.

1214
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:26,559
So I gravitate towards Toppin just because that deal doesn't

1215
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:29,519
look good. And I mean he actually he's played like

1216
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:32,760
fairly well or but not to the level that justifies

1217
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,960
the contract. I think still you.

1218
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: Don't think he's played up to his current contract.

1219
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:39,679
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think what he does well

1220
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,960
is what this team actually, it's a team context thing.

1221
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,960
I could see where what he's doing would matter more

1222
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,920
on another team. But it's like we I don't think

1223
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,239
a guy who can't defend at really at all, but

1224
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,280
like can't be your five. That is a dependent scorer.

1225
00:54:55,519 --> 00:54:58,480
That's awesome in transition, that the transition that fits the

1226
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,559
whole Pacers makeup from last couple of years.

1227
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,199
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about Miles Turner.

1228
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 2: Topping turn Turner has Turner is a is a solid value.

1229
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:11,440
I think Topping. I think Toppin is the guy just

1230
00:55:11,519 --> 00:55:16,119
because if you're looking to keep your books under control,

1231
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:19,360
which Indy always is, and you're gonna keep Turner, we

1232
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,159
got to get rid of this this salary. So like,

1233
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:26,239
but how do you who wants obi Topping at this number?

1234
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,239
Who like, who's giving you anything that isn't also attached

1235
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,719
to long term money? I don't know, but I mean,

1236
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,480
like we can talk about Matheren. I think that's another one.

1237
00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:37,840
But I if it's me, I'm trying pretty hard to

1238
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,119
move off Topping, just just because I don't I don't

1239
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:42,719
feel like the Pacers need him, and I feel like

1240
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,320
if you're trying to get the Turner stuff done under control,

1241
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,239
like that's that's where you trim some money.

1242
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,639
Speaker 1: I think. What's difficult about that, though, is then you're

1243
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:54,119
inherently like upping or no. Obviously this you're diminishing your

1244
00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:56,400
return on whatever trade you make because part of the

1245
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:58,719
value for the other team will be No, let's say

1246
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:00,679
if it's Bene mather and will be top going out,

1247
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:04,039
you're not gonna get a player that's online with Well,

1248
00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:06,599
what you might think benncmathern's trajectory is because of the

1249
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:08,920
Obie top and deal. Again, he's been fine, but with

1250
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,440
three years left on that contracts it's not viewed I

1251
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:14,480
tell it's not viewed that positive around the league.

1252
00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:16,639
Speaker 2: No, I guess, I guess. Yeah, maybe he's not the

1253
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,559
right answer to who's most likely to be traded. I

1254
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:19,960
think he's the answer for me of like who would

1255
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,079
I be trying hardest to move? But so what about

1256
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:25,599
matherin though, like where do we where do we land

1257
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:25,840
on him?

1258
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: Because he has plenty of standalone value and for a

1259
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,079
move that like Indy's looking to make, it would be

1260
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,159
so of between him and Jars Walker and even Ben

1261
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:38,320
Shepperd you want to throw him in there? He seems

1262
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,320
like the odd man out just based off what Indy

1263
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:43,320
already has needs and the way that they're playing. This

1264
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,800
is not say Benicmathern is bad, but when you're gonna

1265
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,760
start looking at where you're investing your money because he

1266
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,079
is extension eligible this summer, that's the name I've circled.

1267
00:56:52,119 --> 00:56:55,719
What becomes challenging is he's not making a boatload of money,

1268
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,719
and it's tough to come up with, well, who is

1269
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,840
a singular player you would trade ben mcmathern for. That's

1270
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,679
really tough. And then I also can't spot the team

1271
00:57:04,679 --> 00:57:06,000
and be like, well, we'll give you a first round

1272
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:08,639
pick for Benanick matherin. So maybe that is part of

1273
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:11,599
the Benedicmathne trade is he is going out with Obie

1274
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:15,119
top and you're just not getting necessarily a player as

1275
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:17,920
in line with Benanickmathern's value back, just a player who's

1276
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,079
a better fit and makes your payroll more flexible moving forward.

1277
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a tough like he does sort of he

1278
00:57:23,639 --> 00:57:26,440
could be this the quote unquote sweetener, except you have

1279
00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:28,800
to just pay him next and then you've got to

1280
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,599
deal with what that number needs to look like. So

1281
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,079
not an ideal sweetener.

1282
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,599
Speaker 1: I don't think would you move him like I don't

1283
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:37,400
think I really don't think Brooklyn would do this. But

1284
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,719
if the structure was Topping and Mathrin and then there's

1285
00:57:40,719 --> 00:57:44,000
more money to stay under the tax to get Cam Johnson,

1286
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:45,199
are you doing it?

1287
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,519
Speaker 2: I mean, Johnson isn't the type of player we've said

1288
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:54,920
at the outset that they need. Correct I still I

1289
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,400
don't know. Am I ever gonna just not be like

1290
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,840
skeptical of Matherin and his fit on this team and

1291
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:02,639
his just like general value. I think I probably would

1292
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:06,039
do that. I just think Cam Johnson is ultimately an

1293
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:09,039
easier player to fit. He makes more sense in general

1294
00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:12,440
than someone like Matheren on this team and on most teams,

1295
00:58:12,519 --> 00:58:14,639
and I want off. Yeah, I would do that if

1296
00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:17,760
I were Indy. I can understand if you're a Pacers

1297
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,599
fan and you're just like you're still in on Matherin.

1298
00:58:19,679 --> 00:58:21,880
I've been in on Kaminga for a long time and

1299
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,960
I just check week to week on that. But I

1300
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,360
would do it. I don't know. Do you think the

1301
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,480
consensus is that didn't like among Indie fans. Let's say,

1302
00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:33,440
are they are they cool with Matherin going out with

1303
00:58:33,559 --> 00:58:34,800
top end for Cam Johnson?

1304
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: I don't. I guess I don't have a good feel.

1305
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,239
I guess it's b They would say, no, I'd probably

1306
00:58:39,239 --> 00:58:41,760
do it because you're also kind of opening runway for

1307
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,360
Jars Walker there, sure, because now it's Cam Johnson can

1308
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,440
play it. So he's not what you necessarily needed the wing,

1309
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,159
but he does serve. He's a good fit. He's not

1310
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:50,559
gonna do as much of the off ball stuff that

1311
00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:52,559
you were getting from a buddy heel like bedemcmather is

1312
00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:54,159
not gonna do a ton of that isn't doing a

1313
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:57,000
ton of that either, excuse me. So he like doesn't

1314
00:58:57,079 --> 00:59:00,199
need the ball, just fits and you kind of know, oh,

1315
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:02,159
what his number is for the next two years, where

1316
00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:03,719
with Mathern's you know what it is for the next

1317
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,239
one and then like there's a mystery so to get

1318
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,039
off the top of money while opening up minutes for

1319
00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:10,800
Jaris Walker. I think I would do it if I'm Manny,

1320
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,239
I just I don't think Brooklyn would do it.

1321
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're not what was the report Brian Lewis

1322
00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:19,559
had that they would be loath to give up Cam

1323
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:22,039
Johnson for less than two firsts, And so you're getting

1324
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:24,119
we've just made hypothetical where're getting zero.

1325
00:59:24,159 --> 00:59:26,519
Speaker 1: And it's just I mean, there's I mentioned Hayward Highsmith

1326
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:28,599
for Indy, but like as people in our discord pointed out,

1327
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:30,760
and they're correct, like I don't think Miami's looking to

1328
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,039
move a Hayward high Smith. So a lot of those players,

1329
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,599
like one, you're not moving medic Matherin alone for Hayward

1330
00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:39,519
high Smith. That's not enough of a return for you.

1331
00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:42,000
But even if you're trying to make a move independent

1332
00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:44,360
of him, that's where the challenge is. I ultimately don't

1333
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,559
think this team does much if anything. Could it be

1334
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,679
just like can we just get a Tory Craig in here?

1335
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,199
But even because the tax concerns, it's like, well, what

1336
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:54,840
are you sending it out there? Like you like James

1337
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,679
Johnson in the locker room. So my guests would be

1338
00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:01,159
and this is repeating myself that they probably do nothing

1339
01:00:01,639 --> 01:00:04,039
and then they fa they just re recalibrate over the

1340
01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:04,559
off season.

1341
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's reasonable. I do still the Turner

1342
01:00:07,679 --> 01:00:09,239
stuff and what it's going to cost to keep him

1343
01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:11,760
and how that affects your books, that still is something

1344
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,840
you can mess around with that passed after the deadline

1345
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,920
in the summer, like you can figure stuff out.

1346
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: And also they've been so with the Paris game against

1347
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,000
San Antonio, not with say they've been so good yeatly

1348
01:00:24,159 --> 01:00:25,920
and that the idea of like oh eron neath Smith

1349
01:00:26,039 --> 01:00:28,360
is just back, like you can view that as your

1350
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:29,880
mid season acquisition a little bit.

1351
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 2: M hmm.

1352
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: This next team is your team, Grant.

1353
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,519
Speaker 2: Wow, we jumped all the way to Philly. So I

1354
01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:38,599
don't know if you know this, Dan, but uh, their terrific

1355
01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:41,119
off season that we love so much has not yielded

1356
01:00:41,159 --> 01:00:45,320
super good results. Still really interesting. I mean, we what

1357
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,119
do we do half an hour on them individually the

1358
01:00:47,199 --> 01:00:49,719
other day? So they're about six million below the second

1359
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,800
apron that which puts them about ten million into the tax.

1360
01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:56,000
That twenty five first with top six protection is owed

1361
01:00:56,039 --> 01:00:59,119
to the Thunder. Uh. That's just as a refresher because

1362
01:00:59,159 --> 01:01:01,239
this kind of I mean, we're not going to go

1363
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,519
over all the picks, but this does sort of need

1364
01:01:03,559 --> 01:01:06,039
to inform like they're thinking at the trade deadline to

1365
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:09,840
some extent, that pick has top four protections in twenty

1366
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,960
seven and becomes a twenty seven second. They also owe

1367
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,239
that twenty seven first to Brooklyn with top eight protection

1368
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,599
through twenty eight, and then it's twenty eight second they

1369
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:21,719
do have first to trade. I don't know how much

1370
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,400
it matters what those are. It's twenty six, which is

1371
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,760
the which is from Houston LAC the Clippers or sorry,

1372
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,079
Houston the Clippers or the Thunder. That's the least favorable

1373
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:32,920
of those. They have, the Clippers twenty eight, which is unprotected.

1374
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,440
That's the Crown Jewel asset, a swap on the Clippers

1375
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,719
twenty nine with top three protections. So that's all a

1376
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,880
long way of saying the Sixers have the ability to

1377
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:47,280
make offers and the salaries to add talent. Their current

1378
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,800
status in the league, and Joel Embiid's inability to be

1379
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:54,199
healthy suggests that this should not be a buyer. So

1380
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,559
we can talk about like all their different routes that

1381
01:01:57,599 --> 01:01:59,480
they could go, and we did do some of that

1382
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:04,480
already on kind of a one off pod, like before

1383
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,239
we get into what they might actually need, what they

1384
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,559
might actually do. Have you thought any more about or

1385
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:13,760
have your thoughts changed on like what is the ideal

1386
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,679
direction for them at the deadline?

1387
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,679
Speaker 1: So I actually think now and this isn't necessarily they

1388
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:23,039
need to tank, But the more I thought about it,

1389
01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:25,159
it's not happening this season. So why would you buy

1390
01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:27,519
the stuff that you can send out now if you

1391
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:31,000
were a buyer, now the kJ Martin contract, you can

1392
01:02:31,079 --> 01:02:33,000
just guarantee it like and roll it over because he

1393
01:02:33,039 --> 01:02:36,320
has that second non guaranteed year on what if just

1394
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,719
as an example, and I'm using this team as an example,

1395
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:41,679
I'm not predicting it. Houston decides to make a consolidation

1396
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:45,000
trade over the offseason and may end up trading young

1397
01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:47,440
players like a Cam Whitmore or Tarry Easton that fit

1398
01:02:47,559 --> 01:02:49,880
that you might like that goes to another team where

1399
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,559
maybe that team prefers picks. Maybe it's Jabari Smith knowing

1400
01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:54,800
his payday's coming up, Like you can then cash in

1401
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,320
your assets because of another trade that it happened. And

1402
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,039
so I'm just waiting if I'm Philly, if I'm gonna

1403
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:03,000
make that in so far as I'm even buying, Like,

1404
01:03:03,039 --> 01:03:05,440
see where your draft pick lands, See what's going on

1405
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,840
with Joellemba's health, how Paul George finishes the year. Go

1406
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:12,000
from there, I've now shifted gears into wondering, like they're

1407
01:03:12,039 --> 01:03:14,280
not in danger of going to the second Apron, but

1408
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,360
ten million dollars into the tax just looking at the

1409
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,599
players they have, would you could you try and duck it?

1410
01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:25,679
Speaker 2: Like would so you've got so let's say you do

1411
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,400
that and you can if you can move kJ Martin,

1412
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:32,519
You're eighty percent of the way there. Did it for

1413
01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:36,039
Caleb Martin? So like, as are those guys your route? It?

1414
01:03:36,159 --> 01:03:38,239
Speaker 1: Like Detroit, if you just said, hey, we'll put KYLEB.

1415
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,239
Martin into your cap space, I know he's got money left.

1416
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:43,039
Detroit says yes, right, yeah, because he could.

1417
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 2: Actually he's a he's a I mean he hasn't been great,

1418
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,320
but he's a rotation player generally speaking.

1419
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: Sure, But I just don't know, like is that how

1420
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,440
they're But I'm just curious as to I don't know

1421
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:53,960
if they would want to give up KYLEB. Martin. They're

1422
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:58,639
probably more so looking at okay, like obviously kJ Martin,

1423
01:03:58,719 --> 01:04:01,159
But would they prefer to give up up Kelly Ubre

1424
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,159
as opposed to Kleb and that? Maybe? I mean that's

1425
01:04:04,199 --> 01:04:06,679
still a deal that teams would take. But could you

1426
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,800
do it without giving up first? Like could you lop

1427
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,960
off ten million dollars in salary from this payroll without

1428
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,800
giving up first? I mean, you have some of these

1429
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,639
guys fit into minimum exceptions when you're looking at Eric Gordon,

1430
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:23,679
Kyle Lowry, Reggie Jackson's on this team, Gershan Jabucelli. You

1431
01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:26,119
won't have his bird rights. His markets shouldn't be huge.

1432
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,119
So maybe you want to keep him, but you're not

1433
01:04:28,199 --> 01:04:32,400
keeping him with non bird rights. If you do so, I.

1434
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,079
Speaker 2: Think you could I think you could get I mean

1435
01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:37,360
ten point two million and you can get.

1436
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: Look, they're not in the second apron, so it has

1437
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,480
no really functional like they're not freezing draft picks. It's

1438
01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:45,440
just we know the realities of team building. Your team

1439
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,599
is getting more expensive in theory after you extended Joel

1440
01:04:48,679 --> 01:04:51,840
Embiid And so if you're trying to hope that the

1441
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,239
Sixers float this window as long as possible or that

1442
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:58,400
ownership doesn't get cagy ducking, the tax helps that part

1443
01:04:58,519 --> 01:04:59,920
of the equation, right.

1444
01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:02,599
Speaker 2: Like, Look, if if you get to the point where

1445
01:05:02,679 --> 01:05:06,280
you're willing to concede as an organization this this ain't it,

1446
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,360
this year is not the year, then not only can you,

1447
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,039
but like shouldn't you just try just try to get

1448
01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:14,239
under the tax? Like doesn't that if you're just trying

1449
01:05:14,239 --> 01:05:17,400
to optimize your situation based on just where you are,

1450
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,480
Like right, Like, shouldn't shouldn't you try to? I guess,

1451
01:05:20,519 --> 01:05:24,360
like I guess the answers know, if you believe Caleb

1452
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,480
Martin or whoever, it ends up needing to be no, no, no,

1453
01:05:27,519 --> 01:05:30,199
that's that's not a replaceable part of our rotation, like

1454
01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:32,000
when we're trying to be good next year. Then I

1455
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,440
guess you you just try to find other ways to

1456
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,079
do it. But like all things being equal, I think maybe,

1457
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:39,320
like why wouldn't you try to get under the tax,

1458
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,440
like what what's the harm.

1459
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: It's and it would I guess it would take because

1460
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,400
it would take three players, even if ken and Martin

1461
01:05:46,519 --> 01:05:49,280
Junior is one of them and then yabou SELLI like

1462
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,719
in net that comes close to getting in to deduct attack.

1463
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,480
But now we're getting into roster spot equations, and so

1464
01:05:54,519 --> 01:05:57,440
we're almost kind of saying that it would have to be.

1465
01:05:57,519 --> 01:06:01,559
I mean, there's Drummond, so you have drumming oubre Kenya

1466
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:05,400
Martin ju or Caleb Martin. I'm thinking it takes like

1467
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,119
two of those guys and then maybe needing to lop

1468
01:06:08,159 --> 01:06:11,000
off a minimum like at that point, I don't, but

1469
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,079
I would I might try. And if you think if

1470
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:17,239
you're dal moriy and you don't believe that ownership is

1471
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,159
going to trust the process, like as to where they're

1472
01:06:20,159 --> 01:06:22,159
going to continue to pay into the tax moving forward.

1473
01:06:22,599 --> 01:06:25,280
That might be a I'm not dead set on doing it,

1474
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,280
but it might be sort of a side quest for

1475
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:28,800
me at the trade deadline.

1476
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:30,039
Speaker 2: I like that framing of it.

1477
01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:32,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have anything like what is there. Let's

1478
01:06:32,599 --> 01:06:34,519
say they do decide to buy because they think Joelle

1479
01:06:34,519 --> 01:06:36,519
and b is gonna be healthy and you know, lightning

1480
01:06:36,519 --> 01:06:38,960
in a bottle through the play in what is their

1481
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:39,719
biggest need?

1482
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,039
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so hard to judge because the team

1483
01:06:46,119 --> 01:06:50,239
just hasn't been whole. I guess if okay, I think

1484
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,960
probably if you're thinking both short and long term, I

1485
01:06:54,119 --> 01:06:56,760
want someone that's gonna be able to guard the guys

1486
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,199
that Tyres Maxi and or Jared McCain cannot so like,

1487
01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:02,719
I guess that could be a wing, but you're gonna

1488
01:07:02,719 --> 01:07:04,800
need to be able to do some like two three

1489
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,079
stuff on offense. You're a lot of a lot of

1490
01:07:08,119 --> 01:07:10,679
people talking about like they still need another like a

1491
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,400
four on this team. I don't know if I view

1492
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,280
that as as large of a need as as just

1493
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,519
like a good compliment to Maxie that I could imagine

1494
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:23,800
allowing you to hide him defensively and still provide some

1495
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,880
offense in a in a hypothetical postseason situation.

1496
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that gets in like those players just aren't

1497
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:32,400
like to get that player without giving up like if

1498
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,760
you would do let's say, if they can buy without

1499
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,960
giving up a first round pick kind of by all

1500
01:07:37,079 --> 01:07:38,920
means like do you just call Charlotte and like say,

1501
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:40,960
like what up with Josha Kogi? Yeah?

1502
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:43,239
Speaker 2: Well that's I mean that handles your defensive problems. I

1503
01:07:43,239 --> 01:07:44,960
don't know how much you trust is shooting, but yeah,

1504
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,840
like a like a burly two three that could could

1505
01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:49,079
do stuff defensively.

1506
01:07:49,159 --> 01:07:51,559
Speaker 1: Sure, who is the most likely player to be traded?

1507
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:52,400
This is an easy one.

1508
01:07:52,519 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 2: I mean it's just Martin is the deal is signed

1509
01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:56,559
to be traded is That was like the running joke

1510
01:07:56,559 --> 01:07:58,239
from the moment he signed it. It has to be him.

1511
01:07:58,599 --> 01:08:00,239
Speaker 1: Do you think that he's going to be traded now?

1512
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,199
Speaker 2: Though it looks a lot harder now right like it

1513
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:09,400
seemed like just a given. I yeah, probably because he

1514
01:08:09,559 --> 01:08:12,079
just he fits in a lot of buckets. Says like

1515
01:08:12,119 --> 01:08:13,599
if you're trying to duckt the tacks, then yeah, you

1516
01:08:13,639 --> 01:08:17,199
trade him if you're trying to match salary and you

1517
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:19,520
don't really care and the team wants money off the books,

1518
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,520
like it. Just he feels like he's the most likely

1519
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:22,680
in a number of scenarios.

1520
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,239
Speaker 1: You could talk me into them doing something where it's, oh,

1521
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:27,680
we'll give you like Reggie Jackson for Tory Kraig or

1522
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,239
whatever type deal, and they're just trying to feel a

1523
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:32,039
little bit of rotation when it's that way, since Reggie

1524
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:33,960
Jackson doesn't play a ton for them. But I think

1525
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,680
it's just it's kJ mart is the right answer. Whether

1526
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:37,439
he ends up being.

1527
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 2: The correct one is we'll have to see. Next team

1528
01:08:40,119 --> 01:08:43,119
is quite literally my team, the New York Knicks.

1529
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,279
Speaker 1: They're fascinating from the perspective of they don't have a

1530
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:47,840
lot of stuff that they can do. They're five hundred

1531
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:49,760
and thirty five thousand dollars below the second apron, so

1532
01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:52,199
they can't take back more money than they're receiving, but

1533
01:08:52,239 --> 01:08:54,680
they can't aggregate. They don't have a ton of just

1534
01:08:55,159 --> 01:08:58,079
draft equity to move. They have Washington's twenty twenty five first,

1535
01:08:58,079 --> 01:09:00,920
that's top ten protected, top eight twenty twenty six, and

1536
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,520
then it's two seconds is going to be two seconds

1537
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,960
and they can give up swaps in twenty six and

1538
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:11,199
twenty thirty. Now let's start here, though, what is their

1539
01:09:11,239 --> 01:09:14,159
biggest need? I think you could go a bunch of

1540
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:16,960
different ways, where it's another type of initiator that's just

1541
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,920
an upgrade from campaign Orduce McBride those minutes, a reserve wing,

1542
01:09:21,079 --> 01:09:24,199
which I think is my answer that like Thibodeau will

1543
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,079
actually play who's coming off the bench, and they could

1544
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:30,119
also use big man depth because what is going off

1545
01:09:30,119 --> 01:09:31,920
Mitchell Robinson? You have pressed that you who can play

1546
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,119
some five minutes, but that's still going to be unless

1547
01:09:35,159 --> 01:09:37,479
you think Mitchell Robinson's going to be healthy. Those are

1548
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,039
the needs. Like I've mapped out the entire rotation. Do

1549
01:09:40,079 --> 01:09:42,319
you agree that it's a reserve wing would probably be

1550
01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:45,279
bigger or I think my second pick would be someone

1551
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:47,880
else who can maybe break down the offense coming off

1552
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,760
the bench. I just don't know, Like campaign on the minimum,

1553
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,199
like how much better are you getting in that spot?

1554
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 2: Right? I get you know as much as as I

1555
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,319
harp on just how hard everything is for Jalen Brunson,

1556
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,439
I feel like the answer probably needs to be someone

1557
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,039
else that can make a play that's better than campaign

1558
01:10:05,079 --> 01:10:08,560
that you could imagine, you know, like whatever position that

1559
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,479
needs to be. But I'm torn on that.

1560
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: To have size at this point then a.

1561
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,279
Speaker 2: Little bit right, Like I mean, I don't know, you're

1562
01:10:17,319 --> 01:10:20,119
pretty big everywhere else you could work stuff. I mean

1563
01:10:20,199 --> 01:10:22,800
like so, but I was gonna say, like, it feels

1564
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:26,159
like that is the right answer. Just I mean, if

1565
01:10:26,199 --> 01:10:28,800
Jalen Brunson is hurt or whatever, you're done anyway, so

1566
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,279
it doesn't really matter. But like you're you're talking about

1567
01:10:31,359 --> 01:10:36,039
the the six or three like postseason minutes per game,

1568
01:10:36,079 --> 01:10:37,159
he's not gonna work.

1569
01:10:37,359 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: Well, no, because the benefit of having someone with size

1570
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,279
that could do that is play them next to Jayalen.

1571
01:10:41,079 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 2: Brun Sure, Okay, yeah, and so then you're, yeah, that's

1572
01:10:44,079 --> 01:10:46,840
fine because then you can the other But what I

1573
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,560
was gonna say is I still just feel like it's

1574
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,239
not a trade need per se.

1575
01:10:52,399 --> 01:10:53,199
Speaker 1: But it's just like.

1576
01:10:53,279 --> 01:10:56,319
Speaker 2: They don't know what it looks like with Mitchell Robinson

1577
01:10:56,399 --> 01:10:58,840
next to Cat and I feel like you really want

1578
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,439
to know what that might look like because if you

1579
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,039
don't love it, then you can punt on that and

1580
01:11:04,079 --> 01:11:08,159
then Robinson's just your biggest salary trade chip. And you

1581
01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:11,079
move him again. This gets complicated because it's like you're

1582
01:11:11,119 --> 01:11:13,600
offering Mitchell Robinson to a team for someone kind of

1583
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,119
like Mitchell Robinson and probably plays the same position and

1584
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:18,479
makes similar money. So like we always talk about like, well,

1585
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,399
what does that even? What kind of deal is that?

1586
01:11:21,159 --> 01:11:23,960
I think it's I think it's support for bruntson in

1587
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:28,000
the playmaking department. But I'm also open to if Robinson

1588
01:11:28,079 --> 01:11:30,880
isn't the guy that can you know, be the best

1589
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,479
version of himself and maybe make sense with Kat and

1590
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,720
like two big front court looks someone that can be that.

1591
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,359
I like the idea of that if you're thinking from

1592
01:11:39,359 --> 01:11:41,840
a playoff perspective, like can we get really big and

1593
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,079
retain as much shooting as possible because Kat can do

1594
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:47,479
that at the four and kind of get I don't know,

1595
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,199
you're never gonna get like Timberwolves level defense last year,

1596
01:11:50,199 --> 01:11:52,640
but the idea of Kat next to another big is

1597
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,920
still something I really would want to explore.

1598
01:11:57,359 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: I guess the I mean the names though, of like

1599
01:12:00,399 --> 01:12:02,600
I'm just thinking like could they get I know he's

1600
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,840
been injured, but like, would Memphis trade you Vince Williams Junior?

1601
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,479
What do we how would I get Aaron Wiggins on

1602
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:08,920
my team.

1603
01:12:10,199 --> 01:12:12,279
Speaker 2: Well's Wigs doing the place? I guess he's he can

1604
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:14,560
he can beat as off the dribble. In addition, it

1605
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:15,520
give me the rim pressure.

1606
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: So that's not to put if it. If I can

1607
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:19,399
get Aaron Wiggins, I'm taking Aaron Wiggins. You just you

1608
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:21,000
can't get Aaron Wiggins, which.

1609
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 2: Not with Mitchell Robinson probably, although like what if the

1610
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:27,039
Thunder just keep not having bigs and they just decided

1611
01:12:27,039 --> 01:12:30,560
to take a shot on Mitchell Robinson will get.

1612
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: The antithesis of the Thunder.

1613
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:32,159
Speaker 2: Uh.

1614
01:12:32,279 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 1: I guess the real question is do you expect them

1615
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,640
to make their because they're gonna make another move, But

1616
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:40,479
is it coming this season or is it gonna come

1617
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,920
over the off season. I'm asking that because if you

1618
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,800
wait till the off season, In theory, Mitchell Robinson might

1619
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,600
have actual trade value because maybe he gets healthy, comes back,

1620
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,119
makes an impact. However, pressure that she was coming off

1621
01:12:52,119 --> 01:12:55,159
the books. You're like, I don't know if they're gonna

1622
01:12:55,159 --> 01:12:56,880
be in the second apron or not. I get like

1623
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:00,560
they could like avoid it, use the mini midline exception.

1624
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,840
I don't know who you're gonna get for that. I've

1625
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:04,760
seen some Knicks fans want Lonzo Ball. If you get

1626
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:06,800
it with the minimi level exception, then you figure out

1627
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,039
a way to stay under the second apron. Of course,

1628
01:13:09,039 --> 01:13:12,840
that opens up some draft pick flexibility. But you're like,

1629
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:17,720
Mitchell Robinson is your last great salary matching tool unless

1630
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,720
you think that Josh Hart or somebody is gonna emerge

1631
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,039
as expendable he is.

1632
01:13:23,119 --> 01:13:26,079
Speaker 2: And and you know, I hadn't really I've been thinking

1633
01:13:26,359 --> 01:13:28,920
solely about like the framing of this season, what can

1634
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,199
you get for Robinson? It's got to be by this deadline.

1635
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:34,800
His salary also goes down next year. It's like twelve

1636
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,720
point nine from fourteen I think fourteen two or fourteen three.

1637
01:13:39,399 --> 01:13:42,319
And like that in combination with maybe he shows something

1638
01:13:42,359 --> 01:13:44,520
down the stretch means like it does does make more

1639
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:49,039
sense to move him over the offseason. I don't know.

1640
01:13:49,159 --> 01:13:52,960
I this is another case where it's like the need

1641
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,720
for an upgrade on a team that's really good but

1642
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:58,520
has clear holes is so obvious that you want it

1643
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:02,199
to be this deadline because like just your impatient and whatever.

1644
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,399
But the finance, the financial side of it does like

1645
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:08,039
there is a there is a scenario where it's like, Okay,

1646
01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:10,399
if they don't do it at this deadline, right, I

1647
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,399
still would want it to be sooner than later. But

1648
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,079
I could understand the logic of waiting.

1649
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,199
Speaker 1: I think I would wait and I would see if

1650
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:20,840
I guess the problem is when you're talking about if

1651
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,399
you're gonna hold on to Mitchell Robinson, maybe it makes

1652
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:27,199
it a little bit easier to trade Preshousachua. But like

1653
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,439
I just like someone I would have circle that they're

1654
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:34,359
just gonna go the like the like the small move route,

1655
01:14:34,399 --> 01:14:36,840
Like could you get Javonte Green who's been playing well

1656
01:14:37,119 --> 01:14:39,119
for New Orleans, Like that's someone who kind of comes

1657
01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:41,960
in can play someone like the undersized front court minutes

1658
01:14:42,079 --> 01:14:44,640
counts as a close to a reserve wing. But you

1659
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,439
just don't have like you're not training Tyler Kohlik or

1660
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:51,159
Pocom Dottie for him. Does New Orleans do it just

1661
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:54,239
to get Jericho Simms and they believe that they're shedding

1662
01:14:54,279 --> 01:14:57,399
their tax money elsewhere? Can you send Jericho Simms somewhere

1663
01:14:57,399 --> 01:14:59,520
else where a team like that might be. I think

1664
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,159
Javant greenes on the books for just like five thousand

1665
01:15:02,199 --> 01:15:05,239
dollars less than Jericho tim so that something like that

1666
01:15:05,279 --> 01:15:09,079
would work I would consider that, and that I honestly think,

1667
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:10,840
I know a lot of people believe it's going to

1668
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,720
be easier for them to make a move over the

1669
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,880
off season. The only reason I agree with that is

1670
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:17,840
I think there's just a chance that Mitchell Robinson is

1671
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:21,479
not at the rock bottom point of his value financially speaking,

1672
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,239
if you want to keep around precious that you one

1673
01:15:24,319 --> 01:15:26,199
maybe if he even want to keep around campaign. I

1674
01:15:26,199 --> 01:15:28,920
don't think there'll be a huge market for him, but

1675
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,199
I don't know that it'll get any easier, but there

1676
01:15:31,239 --> 01:15:35,000
are pathways to them ducking this second Apron, and there's

1677
01:15:35,079 --> 01:15:37,520
just there'll be more opportunities out there. I would think

1678
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:40,479
in the off season. That would be my guess.

1679
01:15:41,159 --> 01:15:44,159
Speaker 2: This is kind of not on topic exactly, but would

1680
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,920
I am fixated on I want to know what it

1681
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,800
looks like with Robinson, just maybe because I'm thinking about

1682
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:52,800
last year's Wolves. I want to know what it looks

1683
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,399
like with him and Kat. Is that something that like

1684
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,359
are you interested in that? Or and like as a

1685
01:15:58,359 --> 01:16:00,640
possible way to like, oh my god, this is this

1686
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,840
unlocked the Knicks, you know? Or is that just like

1687
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:05,079
is that asking too much?

1688
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 1: I just I'm interested in it. I'm just curious how

1689
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,239
much of a core principle it can become when it's

1690
01:16:12,239 --> 01:16:15,319
so counterintuitive to the way that you've built your team

1691
01:16:15,399 --> 01:16:18,399
and sold this team by the five out spacing because

1692
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,439
you can't play Josh Hart or Precious a Chua with

1693
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:25,000
those two and I mean the other thing as well,

1694
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,680
Like Karlthi Toebbs is not a high volume three point shooter.

1695
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,279
He's a great three point shooter, but is his How

1696
01:16:31,279 --> 01:16:34,479
does his shot profile change in those minutes with Mitchell

1697
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,279
Robinson coming up the lane for him where we know

1698
01:16:37,319 --> 01:16:40,479
what he likes to do. There's the post work gone

1699
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,760
if Mitchell Robinson's on the court, and then his drives

1700
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:45,800
more not as much space, and he's not much of

1701
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,359
a facilitator excuse me out of those drives.

1702
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1703
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:53,359
Speaker 1: So I'm interested because defensively it feels like it should work,

1704
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,439
and there might be certain matchups where it's valuable. So

1705
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,800
I'm interested. I'm just curious, is are we talking about

1706
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,520
something that helps you in the postseason, which I think

1707
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,640
is how the Knicks need to view themselves.

1708
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 2: I agree, and that's why I'm so fixated on it, because,

1709
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,840
like you're right, the trade offs are there are. This

1710
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,159
isn't just like oh you add it's not totally an

1711
01:17:12,199 --> 01:17:14,359
additive thing. You are going to give back a lot

1712
01:17:14,399 --> 01:17:17,680
of important stuff by moving cat to the four. Like

1713
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:19,840
specifically what you mentioned is just like, well, there's certain

1714
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:21,760
guys that are just not going to fit and they

1715
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:25,439
in that configuration they do. Now. I just again, that's

1716
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:27,159
why I want to see it, because maybe what you

1717
01:17:27,239 --> 01:17:31,079
get is a top ten defense, a sustainable top ten defense,

1718
01:17:31,159 --> 01:17:35,159
and you make up for the spacing stuff with like

1719
01:17:35,239 --> 01:17:37,399
oh now you just kick ass on the offensive boards

1720
01:17:37,399 --> 01:17:41,079
again and like your first shot. You know, efficiency isn't great,

1721
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:44,760
but you're getting several more cracks than you were previously

1722
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,960
because you're getting extra possessions. Like there's the trade off

1723
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:49,640
of it, I think is what I'm so interested in

1724
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,439
as I talk about it now, because the like there's there,

1725
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,199
does it seems possible? I don't know if it's probable

1726
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:59,079
that on balance it might work better? But and this

1727
01:17:59,159 --> 01:18:01,840
is the core problem is like you haven't seen it yet,

1728
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,840
and you might not before the deadline. You probably won't

1729
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,800
because even like if Mitchell Robinson came back tomorrow, you

1730
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,880
could still say, like, this isn't a large enough sample

1731
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,560
pre deadline for us to make any decisions, you know,

1732
01:18:13,159 --> 01:18:16,800
So anyway, I I it's it's an interesting issue to me,

1733
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:18,720
and it does inform their trade deadline, so I wanted

1734
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,239
to circle back on it most likely player to be traded.

1735
01:18:21,279 --> 01:18:23,279
Having said all that, I.

1736
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,079
Speaker 1: Don't I honestly don't know. Is it I guess I

1737
01:18:26,079 --> 01:18:31,159
have precious just because it's Mitchell Precious precious right or honestly, no,

1738
01:18:31,239 --> 01:18:33,399
I'm gonna go with Sims. I think that that's like

1739
01:18:34,039 --> 01:18:35,600
maybe they send him off so that it makes it

1740
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,199
easier for them to take in like another contract or

1741
01:18:38,319 --> 01:18:40,000
just as part of like a minimum swap. But I'm

1742
01:18:40,039 --> 01:18:43,399
gonna ask you this, would you do? I don't know

1743
01:18:43,399 --> 01:18:46,720
if Portland would do this. I'm including Tyler Koalick, the

1744
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:50,159
Washington pick. I would consider including the twenty thirty swap.

1745
01:18:50,199 --> 01:18:52,119
I just don't think twenty six will move the Blazers

1746
01:18:52,159 --> 01:18:54,479
at all. And then if you have to do you

1747
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:58,960
have seconds plus Mitchell Robinson to get Robert Williams the

1748
01:18:59,039 --> 01:19:00,000
third and Tomani come up?

1749
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 2: Hell, yes, I would do that.

1750
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: If I'm the Knicks, you would include like Tyler Kohlik

1751
01:19:05,239 --> 01:19:07,399
the swap, the Washington pick, and you would do it.

1752
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:09,640
I'm I don't think Portland would ultimately do it. And

1753
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:11,640
I think that Portland has now reached a point where

1754
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:13,920
Tomani Kamara is actually someone that they should maybe look at,

1755
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,000
not to the Knicks, but if you just get another

1756
01:19:16,039 --> 01:19:18,279
outright first round pick for him for the trajectory that

1757
01:19:18,319 --> 01:19:20,600
you're on, they should probably be looking at that more.

1758
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,960
But I think that that's I I feel like I

1759
01:19:24,039 --> 01:19:26,800
might be Tomani Kamara pilled like that. I'm thinking about

1760
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,840
that package. It's I'm not saying Portland should accept it.

1761
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:30,920
For the position that the Knicks are in. You're just

1762
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:34,239
playing all You're firing all your last bullets at r

1763
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,880
W three and to Moni Kamara might be a little

1764
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:37,800
bit awkward.

1765
01:19:38,079 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 2: You had be you had me at Kamara.

1766
01:19:40,039 --> 01:19:43,319
Speaker 1: I agree, But I think the actual, maybe the more

1767
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:45,960
intelligible route would be like, hey, can we somehow get

1768
01:19:46,039 --> 01:19:48,319
Duop Wreath and Javonte Green and we're not giving up

1769
01:19:48,359 --> 01:19:50,600
all this stuff like that would be the that'd be

1770
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,239
the way to go anything else on that. Who do

1771
01:19:53,239 --> 01:19:54,399
you think is their most likely player?

1772
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 2: I think it's I'll just stick with Robinson. I mean,

1773
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,800
especially if the guys is not going to play and

1774
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:00,760
you you know, you don't have any reason to believe

1775
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,920
he's the key to unlock the best version. He's probably be.

1776
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,680
Speaker 1: Moved Orlando Magic up next. What do we lock? Right?

1777
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,399
Speaker 2: All right, we've got them twenty and a half million

1778
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,039
dollars below the tax so that's a that's some hefty

1779
01:20:11,079 --> 01:20:14,079
breathing room there. They have all their own first. They

1780
01:20:14,119 --> 01:20:16,760
also have denvers twenty twenty five first with top five protection.

1781
01:20:17,319 --> 01:20:19,840
Uh still top five and protected in twenty six and

1782
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,520
twenty seven. I love these ones. They extinguish this disappear

1783
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,760
as if not conveyed. I mean, it's gonna convey this year.

1784
01:20:26,039 --> 01:20:31,119
So they have that. This is just like they just

1785
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:33,720
need their dead last and three point shooting. They're like

1786
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,600
three percent worse than the Wizards who are twenty ninth.

1787
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:37,560
It's like thirty.

1788
01:20:37,319 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: Percent more than last year. To they're credited cool.

1789
01:20:42,119 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 2: Nobody's I think opponents are like, great, keep it up.

1790
01:20:45,279 --> 01:20:46,319
Would you like to take more?

1791
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 1: Could you just could you check your proprietary metrics to

1792
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,560
see what you have them at at three point shooting?

1793
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,239
Speaker 2: Though, I'd like to know the I have them at

1794
01:20:54,279 --> 01:20:58,920
right around thirty percent proprietarily, I have them at not good.

1795
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:04,319
I have them at problemically terrible. So it just needs

1796
01:21:04,399 --> 01:21:08,039
it if they do anything and now we've this got it.

1797
01:21:08,079 --> 01:21:10,560
This is the same story forever, right, Like it's just so,

1798
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:13,600
which is, by the way, that's a problem right well,

1799
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,000
and you brought you were talking about them with their pace, right,

1800
01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:18,399
it's just like hurry up. Also in addition to shoot

1801
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:22,159
some threes. So that just means you need it just

1802
01:21:22,199 --> 01:21:23,880
be in the back court because your forwards are set.

1803
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,479
You got a million centers that are all good. Uh

1804
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,840
So it needs it. Can be a shot creator. We've

1805
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,760
gone back and forth on this, just three point sniper

1806
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:35,119
and or shot creator, uh to move sugs to the

1807
01:21:35,159 --> 01:21:36,960
two or whatever you want to do. It just needs

1808
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,479
to be someone that can make a play in or

1809
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:42,039
make a three. Ideally both that'd be great. Uh So,

1810
01:21:42,399 --> 01:21:45,720
like Anthony Simons again, just will never not bring up

1811
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:49,439
Anthony Simons when we talk about the Magic. I guess

1812
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,520
the question is like, is it now Franz is back?

1813
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,640
So maybe the question is like, no, they're out of excuses.

1814
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:57,680
I know where you're going now that Franz is back.

1815
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:59,279
I didn't expect them to be back this soon.

1816
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:02,560
Speaker 1: Me neither, You have no excuses. You go out there

1817
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,560
and you make a fucking move. Okay, I will not

1818
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,880
I will destroy this team if they do nothing at

1819
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:11,000
the trip. I'm letting magic fans. I'm not telling them

1820
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:11,920
to do something stupid.

1821
01:22:12,119 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go.

1822
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 1: Out there and you acquire someone who stretches the floor

1823
01:22:16,039 --> 01:22:18,199
and can playmake in so far as they don't need

1824
01:22:18,199 --> 01:22:20,319
to dominate the ball. Even when Franz Wagner and Palo

1825
01:22:20,399 --> 01:22:24,319
Bank Caaro, you are out your two best players, both

1826
01:22:24,359 --> 01:22:27,239
of whom, well, the sample size on Palo Bankcaro is small.

1827
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,840
Franz Wagner was in the All NBA discussion before his injury.

1828
01:22:31,039 --> 01:22:33,560
You are out of excuses. I don't care that more

1829
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:35,760
Wagner's done for the year. I don't care that Jalen sucks.

1830
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:40,039
Is the deal with back injuries? Get a fucking floor spacer.

1831
01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:42,680
I am like, i I'm sorry. Why am I so

1832
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:43,479
heated about the earth?

1833
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 2: This is the same Well, it's because it's the same thing.

1834
01:22:46,079 --> 01:22:49,520
It's been the same thing forever. The need has been obvious,

1835
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:54,159
and you could in the past, I think you know say, look,

1836
01:22:54,199 --> 01:22:57,640
we got just pick your Anthony Black, we got Jet Howard,

1837
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,239
we got young guys Tristan to Silva. They have young

1838
01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:02,840
guys are like, well, you know, we can let's see

1839
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,760
how they develop. It's just like it doesn't matter how

1840
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:09,319
they develop. Your needs are still clear, so you can.

1841
01:23:09,359 --> 01:23:11,800
I don't think my preferred route would just be like

1842
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,439
you just peel off some guys that are defense first players,

1843
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:17,199
and like maybe that's John Isaac, maybe that's Goga, I

1844
01:23:17,199 --> 01:23:19,680
don't know, maybe somebody wants Wendell Carr. Like I just

1845
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,319
think you, I don't know. You pull from a strength

1846
01:23:22,319 --> 01:23:25,399
to address a weakness, and you've got the draft assets

1847
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:27,439
to sweeten whatever you want to sweeten. You've got the

1848
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:31,359
salaries to throw. Like it should be easy because the

1849
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:34,600
thing you need you you can go get offense only guys.

1850
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:35,520
Speaker 1: That's fine.

1851
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,520
Speaker 2: You can go get guys like and we'll mention something

1852
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,479
we mentioned Simons, he's an offense only guy, calling Sexton.

1853
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,199
You can Jordan Clarkson, I don't care, Like, go get

1854
01:23:43,239 --> 01:23:46,359
somebody that just scores ideally better shooter than Clarkson, but

1855
01:23:46,399 --> 01:23:49,119
you know what I mean. Like, so I'm with you

1856
01:23:49,159 --> 01:23:53,119
that with both your big guns back, you got to

1857
01:23:53,159 --> 01:23:53,600
do something.

1858
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,359
Speaker 1: I'm at this point too, where it's you could like

1859
01:23:55,399 --> 01:23:57,800
we're talking about. We focus on playmaking, which I do

1860
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:01,319
think they need, although I'm wondering personally if I underrated

1861
01:24:01,359 --> 01:24:04,239
Franz Wagner in that department to where it's you probably

1862
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:05,960
want someone who could dribble, So these names might be

1863
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,439
too far field play. Go get Cam Johnson, Go get

1864
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,399
Duncan Robinson. I don't like. At least if you do that,

1865
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:14,239
you are showing me that you care. And what is

1866
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:15,840
look player development? Okay?

1867
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,520
Speaker 2: Sure, like Jet Howard's minutes have not necessarily been consistent

1868
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,199
this year, he's played, He's definitely played more.

1869
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,319
Speaker 1: Uh. But like you, if you have to like put

1870
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,079
force them to choose, is this team more likely to

1871
01:24:27,119 --> 01:24:30,960
play Tristan da Silva or Jet Howard? And we have

1872
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,119
our answer. The answer is Trisian to Silver, who's not

1873
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,079
a great shooter. Go out there and get them. The

1874
01:24:36,119 --> 01:24:38,199
two names you mentioned, Simon's and Sexton are like the

1875
01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:40,239
ones that I monitor the most, and those are the

1876
01:24:40,279 --> 01:24:42,760
ones that they don't break the bank in terms of

1877
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,680
matching salaries and pick equity. In theory that you would

1878
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,199
have to give up, but there's probably even like smaller

1879
01:24:49,319 --> 01:24:52,920
upgrades that you could make that would do like somewhat

1880
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,800
wonders for this team, and they're just they're out of excuses.

1881
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,199
Go get someone along those lines.

1882
01:25:00,119 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 2: What piece do you think is most likely to go

1883
01:25:02,039 --> 01:25:04,119
out if they do pull a trade?

1884
01:25:04,399 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 1: I would have initially said Cole Anthony, and I think

1885
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,119
if you're getting a Sexton or maybe even a Simons,

1886
01:25:09,159 --> 01:25:12,199
that's still the right answer. But because he's played so

1887
01:25:12,359 --> 01:25:15,119
much of and needed to play so much, I just

1888
01:25:15,159 --> 01:25:17,880
think it's Gary Harris. Like, I don't know that you're

1889
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,079
gonna move Wagner while he's injured, even though he's he

1890
01:25:20,119 --> 01:25:23,039
can be used functionally as an expiring contract. Where do

1891
01:25:23,119 --> 01:25:24,039
you land on that? Though?

1892
01:25:24,039 --> 01:25:26,520
Speaker 2: I think it's Harris. The team option for next year too,

1893
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,399
is just like he's basically expiring salary right to have that. Yeah,

1894
01:25:29,399 --> 01:25:31,399
it's a team option seven and a half million for

1895
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:33,640
twenty five twenty six. I think.

1896
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,159
Speaker 1: Malcolm Brogdon. I think people are going to ask us,

1897
01:25:37,279 --> 01:25:38,720
but what go get him? Sure?

1898
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,319
Speaker 2: Why not? I mean, like, I don't know what you

1899
01:25:41,319 --> 01:25:43,159
would give the Pistons that they would want because you're

1900
01:25:43,159 --> 01:25:45,520
dealing defense first guys that aren't going to space. But

1901
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,920
like Tim Hardaway Junior would I would like start him

1902
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,239
put trade for Tim Hardaway junior and start him. Like,

1903
01:25:50,359 --> 01:25:52,119
just get someone out there that's going to get eight

1904
01:25:52,159 --> 01:25:55,439
ten threes per thirty six and stardom for whatever, for

1905
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,039
someone that can shoot it. Yeah, I think it's Harris.

1906
01:25:58,079 --> 01:26:01,039
He just feels I'm not the big is Cole Anthony fan?

1907
01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:03,439
But just you know what is he six years younger

1908
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,960
and like is actually, like you said, is actually playing.

1909
01:26:06,399 --> 01:26:09,000
So I think it's Harris. But Harris isn't gonna that's

1910
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:10,720
seven and a half million. That's not gonna get you much.

1911
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:14,880
You're gonna have to pull Chupontechio. You're right. Well, but

1912
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,000
if you're going for the Sextons or the Simons, like

1913
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:18,840
you're from somewhere.

1914
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:21,399
Speaker 1: Honestly, they can take back fifteen million dollars if they

1915
01:26:21,399 --> 01:26:22,439
send out Gary Harris.

1916
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:24,319
Speaker 2: So that might get you something, it's because most but

1917
01:26:24,319 --> 01:26:25,720
it doesn't get you to the guys that are making

1918
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:27,399
twenty good.

1919
01:26:27,399 --> 01:26:29,079
Speaker 1: You have other stuff to do it, go do it,

1920
01:26:29,119 --> 01:26:31,960
and it's just it needs to at least be I'm

1921
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:33,439
not saying it needs to be a household name, just

1922
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:37,319
someone who moves your offensive needle. Please agree, our next team,

1923
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:41,159
which is also my team, We're onto the Toronto Raptors.

1924
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,279
They are ten million dollars below the tax. They own

1925
01:26:44,359 --> 01:26:46,760
the Pacers' twenty twenty six first round pick, top four

1926
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:50,359
protected through next year. Then it turns into Utah's twenty

1927
01:26:50,359 --> 01:26:54,479
seven second and Dallas's twenty eight second. I'm looking ahead

1928
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,359
for them at next season because I think that will

1929
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:58,279
form what they do with the trade deadline. They're not

1930
01:26:58,319 --> 01:27:00,279
a cap space team, but they have a shit ton

1931
01:27:00,279 --> 01:27:02,920
of like room under the tax. I'm wondering if they're

1932
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:04,560
sort of the sneaky team where it's, oh, they have

1933
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,079
Bruce Brown's expiring, and people have looked at it through

1934
01:27:07,119 --> 01:27:09,159
that lens, what could you get for him? What if

1935
01:27:09,199 --> 01:27:11,319
they just say we'll take on money that has a

1936
01:27:11,359 --> 01:27:14,039
year or two left on our on the deal, like

1937
01:27:14,119 --> 01:27:16,560
because we're never going to be a desirable market. We're

1938
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:19,159
kind of on this fluid timeline anyway, and they have

1939
01:27:19,319 --> 01:27:22,039
so much room beneath the tax this year and next year.

1940
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:24,640
That's what I think I'm looking at with them leading

1941
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:26,000
into the trade deadline. What say you?

1942
01:27:27,279 --> 01:27:30,319
Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense and you called it fluid.

1943
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:34,159
It feels like that's a positive spin on the timeline

1944
01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:37,439
because you've just max Scottie Barnes. You've got quickly on

1945
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:40,039
the books for a not a max, like a big deal.

1946
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:42,239
So it's kind of like how we would talk about

1947
01:27:42,239 --> 01:27:45,760
the Pacers last year of like you just supermax Halburn

1948
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:47,800
and you got Siakam on this, what's about to be

1949
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:51,479
a max? Like you're not in like waiting around mode anymore.

1950
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,840
The difference is the Raptors are not good and they

1951
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:57,239
have all these guys signed so yet like it would

1952
01:27:57,239 --> 01:28:02,359
feel suboptimal to be taking on like quote unquote bad money,

1953
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:05,039
But because of where the team is just in the standings,

1954
01:28:05,079 --> 01:28:07,079
and yes, injuries have had something to do with that,

1955
01:28:07,079 --> 01:28:10,159
that does feel like the right move I think is

1956
01:28:10,199 --> 01:28:12,920
to be willing to do that. And I think particularly

1957
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:17,079
because you do have guys like Brown, like Bouchet, like

1958
01:28:17,159 --> 01:28:21,800
a Linox that you could, you know, send out and

1959
01:28:22,079 --> 01:28:24,000
just if you're willing to take back twenty five twenty

1960
01:28:24,039 --> 01:28:27,000
six or even twenty six twenty seven money, you could

1961
01:28:27,159 --> 01:28:30,319
you could extract some real assets that way. So it's

1962
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:32,840
it's not ideal that that feels like the right way

1963
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:34,560
to go, but I do think that's kind of where

1964
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:34,960
we are.

1965
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:37,359
Speaker 1: What do you think is the biggest need for the

1966
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:40,760
roster itself. God, so tough to know because of how

1967
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,960
little we've seen of Quickly too, because you could go

1968
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:44,319
that route.

1969
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:49,199
Speaker 2: I mean it need I guess, well it's this is

1970
01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:51,159
the other weird thing is it's like, I like the

1971
01:28:51,159 --> 01:28:52,920
theory of the team if it's like Quickly and then

1972
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:55,119
you've got Grady Dick and oachiag Baji and then there's

1973
01:28:55,159 --> 01:28:57,680
r J. Barrett, and you've got Scottie Barnes, and then

1974
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,000
I guess Peardl's your center forever because you're never gonna

1975
01:29:00,079 --> 01:29:00,359
trade that.

1976
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:02,640
Speaker 1: I think you could make a case that they need

1977
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:04,520
an upgrade in like rim protection.

1978
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,560
Speaker 2: Sure, but they seem so happy with Perle that like,

1979
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:10,000
I don't, I couldn't.

1980
01:29:10,239 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 1: Who is there who comes the closest to typifying the

1981
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:15,279
three and D wing mold on this team?

1982
01:29:15,319 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 2: Now, I mean it's Agbagie. Yeah, he's undersize for that role.

1983
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:19,760
That's kind of.

1984
01:29:20,199 --> 01:29:22,520
Speaker 1: That might be their biggest need at this point because

1985
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:23,760
that's never going to be RJ.

1986
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:27,199
Speaker 2: No, and it's not on. Barnes's role is totally different

1987
01:29:27,239 --> 01:29:29,920
and the shooting has never been consistent. So yeah, it

1988
01:29:30,039 --> 01:29:32,760
is weird that I really like Agbajie in that role.

1989
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,960
But I think I think you're probably right that he

1990
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,680
he just isn't quite big enough, and the track record

1991
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:41,960
of him being this version of himself is not very long,

1992
01:29:42,039 --> 01:29:45,039
so maybe you don't view that as like a sustainable thing. Yeah.

1993
01:29:45,079 --> 01:29:47,199
I guess this is a really hard team to evaluate

1994
01:29:47,279 --> 01:29:49,199
on a lot of fronts. I really struggle with them.

1995
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm look here to thinking, well, who's the

1996
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,439
most likely to be player to be traded. I feel

1997
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:57,159
like it could be Bruce Brown, but Chris Bousche kind

1998
01:29:57,159 --> 01:30:00,439
of feels easier to move. He's played more this year,

1999
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:03,239
and it feels like there are more teams in the

2000
01:30:03,279 --> 01:30:05,560
market right now for just some type of reserve big

2001
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:08,479
than there are for teams someone like Bruce Brown, who's

2002
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:10,800
making twenty plus million dollars just even this season.

2003
01:30:11,039 --> 01:30:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that number is so big again this fifth time

2004
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,159
I've said this. Probably in the past he'd be like,

2005
01:30:17,159 --> 01:30:19,119
oh my god, Bruce Brown is just what a what

2006
01:30:19,239 --> 01:30:22,199
a chip to have, you know, big number that's gonna expire.

2007
01:30:22,239 --> 01:30:25,159
Everybody's gonna want that, and it just I think maybe

2008
01:30:25,159 --> 01:30:27,399
the Bouchet number, which is like, I mean less than

2009
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:31,960
half ten point eight, even Alynic twelve eight Tholl seem

2010
01:30:32,039 --> 01:30:35,760
likelier to me than Brown. Maybe Brown plays great like

2011
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,039
over the he's backfine, he's been back for a little bit,

2012
01:30:38,079 --> 01:30:40,920
but like maybe he looks more like Denver Nuggets Bruce Brown,

2013
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,119
and you actually can move him. But just the mechanics

2014
01:30:43,119 --> 01:30:45,000
of it are harder because the twenty three million is

2015
01:30:45,399 --> 01:30:47,960
like that that's a significant number, where like the ten

2016
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:49,920
and twelve million is something you can kind of like

2017
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,640
toss off. I feel like, yeah, I'm with you there.

2018
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if just like I don't even know how

2019
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:57,960
they get like what is their angle in a Bruce

2020
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:00,600
Brown trade, like you're hoping to get your I have conversation,

2021
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:02,880
like I mentioned before, is it, oh, we're like kind

2022
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:06,199
of okay with someone who has money on the books,

2023
01:31:06,199 --> 01:31:07,520
and then they can kind of help us. And then

2024
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,000
what's sort of the you know, they also, by the way,

2025
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,640
because they're so far below the tax like they do have,

2026
01:31:13,279 --> 01:31:15,600
they can just take that like send someone in the

2027
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,039
non tax payer mid level exception is my point. So

2028
01:31:18,079 --> 01:31:20,720
maybe you're sending someone out who's semi cheaper, and like

2029
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:23,399
you're taking in like someone who's around that number that

2030
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:26,399
feels more like a you could go like I don't

2031
01:31:26,399 --> 01:31:28,439
even know, like the Lakers looking to get off like

2032
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:32,399
a Gabe Vincent type contract. I don't get Vanderbilt or

2033
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:35,520
Vanderbilt like those players aren't players you're probably interested in

2034
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:37,199
monitoring long term.

2035
01:31:37,399 --> 01:31:39,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird what Terrence Man.

2036
01:31:39,159 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 1: If the Clippers were looking to duck the tax, But

2037
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:44,119
what are you sending the Clippers in that You're not like, yeah, like,

2038
01:31:44,119 --> 01:31:46,000
what are you sending the Clippers that they would really want?

2039
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,319
If you're taking back PJ. Tucker and Terrence Man for

2040
01:31:49,399 --> 01:31:51,560
Chris Bouchet.

2041
01:31:52,279 --> 01:31:55,319
Speaker 2: Sure, Like I don't know what that does for anybody.

2042
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:57,039
I I could see what it does with the Clippers.

2043
01:31:57,319 --> 01:31:58,960
Do you think it would be easier to move Brown

2044
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:02,640
if you were making like four three instead of twenty three?

2045
01:32:03,359 --> 01:32:05,199
Speaker 1: Well you just want them to trade for Zach Lavine.

2046
01:32:05,239 --> 01:32:05,560
I don't know.

2047
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:08,039
Speaker 2: It's just like, who's the guy. Who's the guy that's

2048
01:32:08,079 --> 01:32:11,760
making twenty three ish on a multi year deal that

2049
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:13,359
a team is like, we've got to get off this.

2050
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:15,720
It's you know that that's not like that's a weird

2051
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:19,560
like nether region of salary slot where it's like.

2052
01:32:20,279 --> 01:32:22,279
Speaker 1: Those aren't no. I mean the Lakers probably have two

2053
01:32:22,319 --> 01:32:25,640
of them on the books right now. That's impressive, Like

2054
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:29,159
those aren't traditionally like bad deal, that's what I mean.

2055
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:31,720
Speaker 2: Like if it were forty like yeah, sure, we could

2056
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,279
find we can find some forty forty five, we can find.

2057
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:36,960
That's where the like, I don't know, just like Tobias

2058
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:39,640
Harris last year, it'd be like, oh, yeah, we'll do sure,

2059
01:32:40,079 --> 01:32:41,760
or two years ago. I guess because he was expiring

2060
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:45,000
last year that that's a weird The twenty three, I guess,

2061
01:32:45,039 --> 01:32:47,960
and you can combine stuff, but like the who, I

2062
01:32:48,039 --> 01:32:50,479
just don't There aren't twenty three million dollar players that

2063
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:52,760
teams are dying to get off because they got two

2064
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:55,279
more years on their deals. Generally speaking like that, the

2065
01:32:55,359 --> 01:32:57,479
number is usually bigger than that on the bad money.

2066
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,279
Speaker 1: No, I'm kind of I mean, like maybe the Heat

2067
01:32:59,319 --> 01:33:00,600
want to get off of Terry Rosie.

2068
01:33:01,319 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 2: We did Rosier again. Yeah, that's another one that's actually

2069
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:04,680
a pretty good one.

2070
01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean I'm going through it right now.

2071
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:08,680
There's no one that likes certain stuff, but they could.

2072
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:10,720
I guess the benefit of having a Chris Bouchet is

2073
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,279
that they could take back someone who's more expensive. Yeah,

2074
01:33:14,199 --> 01:33:17,319
so you're like you're at I mean Chris Bouchet is

2075
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:19,239
what is he at twelve this year?

2076
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 2: Uh? Ten? Eight ten eight?

2077
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:24,800
Speaker 1: So him plus Bruce Brown, Like, you're just in the

2078
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:27,960
thirties there, So but I what are the deals that

2079
01:33:28,359 --> 01:33:31,680
we would you do this if you just trade them

2080
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:33,840
for Jeremy Grant?

2081
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:37,159
Speaker 2: And I'm getting motivation.

2082
01:33:37,239 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 1: They is just saying, oh, we fucked up with Grant. Well,

2083
01:33:40,039 --> 01:33:41,439
we don't want that deal in our book. So let's

2084
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:43,560
say they're will Let's say they're willing to do that.

2085
01:33:44,039 --> 01:33:46,840
They're probably not. That's a lot of egg on their face.

2086
01:33:47,239 --> 01:33:49,399
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need it. I'm gonna need it first if

2087
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:53,000
I'm Toronto. Yeah, you're telling me to take on thirty

2088
01:33:53,039 --> 01:33:55,760
one thirty what is it? Five for one sixty? Were

2089
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,800
like what in year two of that extension? I'm gonna

2090
01:33:58,800 --> 01:33:59,319
need something.

2091
01:34:00,239 --> 01:34:03,439
Speaker 1: I mean that's like, I just what is the team

2092
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:05,159
that that is willing to use a first to lop

2093
01:34:05,199 --> 01:34:06,920
off money? Like you're not gonna do that with CJ.

2094
01:34:07,039 --> 01:34:08,199
McCollum in New Orleans.

2095
01:34:08,399 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 2: That's another guy. Yeah, I didn't think about him. Uh yeah,

2096
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:13,520
where are the bad contracts? This is another problem. We

2097
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:17,039
don't have enough bad contracts anymore. That's that's making this

2098
01:34:17,119 --> 01:34:17,560
harder too.

2099
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 1: Well, you think would the Kings give you a first

2100
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:21,560
to get off the Sabonus money that you think is toxic?

2101
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,039
Speaker 2: If things had gone really bad, maybe you just send

2102
01:34:26,039 --> 01:34:29,119
to Rosen back to the end of the Bruce Brown

2103
01:34:29,159 --> 01:34:31,640
slot in Toronto, just have a nice reunion there. I

2104
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:32,000
don't know.

2105
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the more likely pads like, okay,

2106
01:34:35,079 --> 01:34:37,680
what can it's just Bruce Brown in a vacuum for

2107
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:41,239
somebody in seconds. I just don't even know what team

2108
01:34:41,319 --> 01:34:42,319
that is, though.

2109
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:46,680
Speaker 2: Well, that leads to like, someone like Bouchet is just

2110
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:49,319
probably more likely to be traded, right, It's just easier.

2111
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think he has doesn't he has more

2112
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:54,520
standalone value, Like if you're looking for this season, I

2113
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:57,319
would argue right now he has more value than Bruce

2114
01:34:57,359 --> 01:34:57,840
Brown does.

2115
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:00,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, because V well, I don't actually I have no

2116
01:35:00,399 --> 01:35:02,199
idea what he's shooting from three. But the theory of

2117
01:35:02,279 --> 01:35:05,560
Chris Bouche involves I don't have my proprietary three point shooting.

2118
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:07,520
Speaker 1: He was on a heater, so if we only use

2119
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:09,319
like the last you know, two weeks or something, I

2120
01:35:09,319 --> 01:35:11,359
think he might be shooting like fifty percent from three.

2121
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:14,560
Speaker 2: What I was gonna say is he at least there's

2122
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:18,279
a lot of teams with the Clippers are one got conventional,

2123
01:35:18,319 --> 01:35:22,479
big handled Zubots is awesome. Zubots has shot two threes

2124
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:25,359
in the last four years. Mobamba was shooting like thirty percent,

2125
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:28,319
so like, okay, yeah, Chris Busche could come in and

2126
01:35:28,359 --> 01:35:30,319
be sort of what Mobamba.

2127
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 1: Was till He's at thirty five point six percent, So

2128
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:36,640
that's like high enough. And his per thirty six minute rate, Yeah,

2129
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:38,000
it is at all time Oh, it's close to an

2130
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,760
all time high seven point nine attempts per thirty six minutes.

2131
01:35:41,159 --> 01:35:44,119
I mean, if it's what did you say? Bouchet said, well,

2132
01:35:44,119 --> 01:35:46,600
I have his number pulled up. He's at ten. I

2133
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:49,880
mean the Clippers might be looking at duct attack, so

2134
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,439
it's like, would you attach don't they have like a

2135
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:57,039
couple nifty like or a second available like PJ. Tucker

2136
01:35:57,119 --> 01:35:59,840
and small salary X to duct attacks in exchange for Chris.

2137
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 2: That's a win win right there.

2138
01:36:03,239 --> 01:36:04,800
Speaker 1: Well, how's it a win for the Raptors.

2139
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 2: No, I mean that's a win win for the Clippers,

2140
01:36:07,119 --> 01:36:09,039
not so much for the Raptors. I guess in the

2141
01:36:09,079 --> 01:36:10,199
second whatever.

2142
01:36:10,079 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 1: The Clipper will they have no incoming pick, so I

2143
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:13,520
must be wrong about that they can trade it. So

2144
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:17,199
would you do as the Clippers twenty thirty one second? PJ.

2145
01:36:17,359 --> 01:36:21,039
Tucker and like what's the other Bones Highland? I guess

2146
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:23,119
for Chris Bouchet.

2147
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:24,760
Speaker 2: I do that. I don't know, but your point about

2148
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:26,800
why the Raptors are doing that, I guess if it's

2149
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:28,920
just because you can't do any better than that for Bouchet,

2150
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:29,600
like maybe.

2151
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty thirty one second, I guess I would consider it.

2152
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:33,600
I'd probably want a little bit more.

2153
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:35,520
Speaker 2: Or a nearer term pick.

2154
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:37,359
Speaker 1: That seems like the type of move the Raptors are

2155
01:36:37,359 --> 01:36:39,800
going to end up making, though, yeah, I agree, Would

2156
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:43,359
you honestly though, would you do the like what is

2157
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:45,600
Terrence Man's value in a vacuum? Because it's just not

2158
01:36:46,359 --> 01:36:48,560
that high to the Clippers at the moment. But I

2159
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:51,000
could see some teams, the Raptors being one of them,

2160
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:53,479
thinking he has value. But if you're the Clippers, you're

2161
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,479
not trading him straight up for a Chris Bouchet, right,

2162
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:58,760
or even if it if it's Terrence Man and Bones

2163
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,359
Highland for Chris Bouchet, are you doing that?

2164
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 2: Maybe?

2165
01:37:05,079 --> 01:37:07,680
Speaker 1: I mean you're really obliterating your ball, like your secondary

2166
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:08,279
ball handling.

2167
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is an issue. I guess it would depend

2168
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,279
on if they think how much they think Bouche is

2169
01:37:13,279 --> 01:37:15,279
gonna play one and if they really do feel like

2170
01:37:15,319 --> 01:37:18,319
they need Again. This is another like how many minutes

2171
01:37:18,359 --> 01:37:20,680
is Bouche gonna play in the games that matter? I

2172
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,560
like the different dimension he would offer, but then maybe

2173
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:25,520
you would just say as the Clippers like well, Mobamba

2174
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:28,079
could run hot enough to make the difference between his

2175
01:37:28,159 --> 01:37:31,359
current hit rate and Bouchet's thirty five percent like negligible.

2176
01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:33,800
I don't know. I like Bouchet better than Bomba, so

2177
01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:36,600
it would be an upgrade. I think it would. If

2178
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:40,239
you told me Kawhi was like fine, which which I

2179
01:37:40,239 --> 01:37:43,279
would say, like, Dan, have you seen his last decade

2180
01:37:43,279 --> 01:37:45,600
of his career, then you could you could deal with

2181
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:46,840
losing some ball handling.

2182
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:49,079
Speaker 1: But honestly, I don't think i'd do it if I'm

2183
01:37:49,199 --> 01:37:52,319
LA in that situation, just because even just having ternsment

2184
01:37:52,399 --> 01:37:55,920
on the books through next season, it just for salary

2185
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:58,319
matching purposes. Like he I think he'll always have more

2186
01:37:58,359 --> 01:38:01,079
standalone value than Bouchet these stages of their career.

2187
01:38:01,239 --> 01:38:02,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably true.

2188
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:04,720
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to see if, like the Tucker, I mean,

2189
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:06,800
you could just do Tucker and the second for Bouchet.

2190
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:08,279
But if you're not really duck in the tax in

2191
01:38:08,279 --> 01:38:10,560
that scenario, because if you get a twenty thirty one

2192
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:14,079
second round pick for Chris Bouchet, I mean, that's probably fringe.

2193
01:38:14,199 --> 01:38:15,920
I don't know, that's a tough one. I do think

2194
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:17,600
he's the most likely player to be traded, though.

2195
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:19,600
Speaker 2: I agree with that. That's the only thing we've established

2196
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:20,600
on this whole team.

2197
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,640
Speaker 1: For our next team, the Washington Wizards.

2198
01:38:24,119 --> 01:38:27,760
Speaker 2: Buyers, right, I mean, you gotta yeah. So twelve million

2199
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,600
below the Tacks, their twenty five first is going to

2200
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:32,800
the Knicks with top eight protection or top ten then

2201
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:36,520
top eight. They do have a trade exception still from

2202
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:38,720
the Daniel gafferd dele that's worth twelve point four million.

2203
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:45,039
They can be a cap space team this summer. Who knows, No,

2204
01:38:45,079 --> 01:38:46,600
I was just gonna say, who knows how valuable that

2205
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:48,399
is to them given where they are in the rebuild,

2206
01:38:48,399 --> 01:38:50,600
and like you know, they're not a free agent destination

2207
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:52,520
and don't care to be I don't think anytime soon.

2208
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:54,920
So the question then is just like, how much of

2209
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:59,000
that hypothetical cap space are they willing to see disappear

2210
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:01,079
if there's the right trade that brings bad money with

2211
01:39:01,319 --> 01:39:04,720
picks attached, are those offers even out there right now?

2212
01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:06,600
I think the real thing for them is just like

2213
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:08,239
what can you get for the adult in the room

2214
01:39:08,319 --> 01:39:11,840
veterans that you may or may not need anymore? That

2215
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:14,520
is an interesting issue we can talk about, Like when

2216
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:18,680
you decide that the young guys whose habits and stuff

2217
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:21,600
you care about are like okay to the point where

2218
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,680
you can trade your adults and your culture center guys.

2219
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:27,600
I don't know, that's something we just don't really talk

2220
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:30,840
about that much. But Valanciunis Brogden Kusma is a little

2221
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:35,039
different category. But just like Kispert, but actually Kisper be traded.

2222
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:36,359
Speaker 1: He's poison pilled.

2223
01:39:36,359 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's poison pilled, right, So just what do

2224
01:39:39,039 --> 01:39:43,359
you get for those guys? And that's kind of it

2225
01:39:43,399 --> 01:39:45,119
for them, right, I don't want to oversimplify it.

2226
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:49,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just are any of them And it's really

2227
01:39:49,199 --> 01:39:51,239
only like, is Kuzma still getting you a first round

2228
01:39:51,279 --> 01:39:52,399
pick based off this season?

2229
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:54,560
Speaker 2: Not for me? I don't know. I don't know who's

2230
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:56,159
who I don't know, who's.

2231
01:39:56,239 --> 01:39:58,680
Speaker 1: Your proprietary metrics would say he's not worth a first

2232
01:39:58,760 --> 01:39:59,159
round pick.

2233
01:39:59,199 --> 01:40:02,119
Speaker 2: I have written not worth a first rounder on my

2234
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:05,840
on my locked up special.

2235
01:40:06,279 --> 01:40:09,239
Speaker 1: You like there's gonna be either're getting out I guess

2236
01:40:09,239 --> 01:40:10,880
from some of the back end of the deal, even

2237
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:12,560
though it's not a bad deal and maybe some nice

2238
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:14,840
second I just I can't see them doing that. But

2239
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:16,920
you could also argue, would there be have you reached

2240
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:19,319
the point where there's value in just not having his

2241
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:22,520
usage on the team as you're developing everybody else?

2242
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean, like I think I just

2243
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:27,640
want if I'm the Wizards, I think I will I

2244
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:29,640
would love it if Kyle Kuzma were just not on

2245
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:32,159
my roster. If I could get anything for him, that'd

2246
01:40:32,199 --> 01:40:34,079
be super. But I just don't know what the market

2247
01:40:34,119 --> 01:40:36,079
is for him right now, and like, to be fair,

2248
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:38,279
this might just be a situation where once he's on

2249
01:40:38,319 --> 01:40:42,560
another team, he's just he's not this guy anymore, which

2250
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:45,239
actually maybe that should be the expectation, so I'm being

2251
01:40:45,239 --> 01:40:48,920
too hard on him. But as still I think, like, well,

2252
01:40:49,039 --> 01:40:52,479
let's talk about Valentiunis, because the second that deal was done,

2253
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:56,479
it was he was there to be traded. He's just

2254
01:40:56,600 --> 01:41:00,079
he's gonna get you one second, right, maybe two? I

2255
01:41:00,279 --> 01:41:03,039
don't know. I just don't know. And that's like the

2256
01:41:03,039 --> 01:41:05,119
big business for them of the deadline is can you

2257
01:41:05,159 --> 01:41:07,279
get maybe two seconds for him? Because the first is

2258
01:41:07,319 --> 01:41:09,119
off the table? Would you agree? Yeah?

2259
01:41:09,159 --> 01:41:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean unless you're part of that appeal is what

2260
01:41:12,239 --> 01:41:14,359
contract are you taking back that's so toxic?

2261
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:15,199
Speaker 2: Or it's just a.

2262
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 1: Jeremy Grant deal, like you're sending out Malcolm Brogden and

2263
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:20,960
Yonas Valentinis to get back Jeremy Grant.

2264
01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:23,039
Speaker 2: There you go. Yeah, finally we found a taker for

2265
01:41:23,119 --> 01:41:25,159
Jeremy Grant. And the Wizards, by the way, could justify

2266
01:41:25,159 --> 01:41:26,960
it just not caring about how good they are for

2267
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:29,319
like three more years, so that there's a fit.

2268
01:41:30,079 --> 01:41:34,039
Speaker 1: I I'm just with them. I would just whatever seconds

2269
01:41:34,039 --> 01:41:36,760
you could get for him, and Brogden I'd probably be

2270
01:41:37,319 --> 01:41:39,960
okay with. I don't know if he'll get you two

2271
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:44,720
seconds though valentunists. I think Brogden maybe could, but maybe.

2272
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:46,520
Speaker 2: Again, maybe part of the appeal is like what type

2273
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:48,439
of like So let's use Brogden as an example.

2274
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:50,239
Speaker 1: This is what I was gonna ask you. Would you

2275
01:41:50,279 --> 01:41:53,079
do if you're the Clippers, Man Tucker and Highland for

2276
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:54,439
Malcolm Brogden.

2277
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:58,239
Speaker 2: What's Brocken's at like twenty two and a half.

2278
01:41:58,239 --> 01:42:00,479
Speaker 1: So the Clippers still do duct attacks in that scenario,

2279
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:01,239
by the way.

2280
01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:05,720
Speaker 2: But I'm getting Man Tucker and Bones and I am

2281
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:08,760
as the Wizards. Am I getting a second two seconds?

2282
01:42:09,039 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 1: No? If I'm the Clippers, I'm not giving that. First

2283
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:13,520
of all, the Clippers have one second is twenty thirty one.

2284
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:16,560
I'm not giving up that. For would you do? Would

2285
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:18,520
you take PJ. Tucker into your non a tax payer

2286
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:21,239
mid levels the Wizards if you're getting Los Angeles is

2287
01:42:21,239 --> 01:42:22,319
twenty thirty one second?

2288
01:42:23,279 --> 01:42:25,640
Speaker 2: Gosh, it's so just like we're talking about twenty thirty

2289
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:30,720
one second round picks. I guess if you're not. Yeah,

2290
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:33,399
I suppose I would take whatever assets I could get

2291
01:42:33,399 --> 01:42:37,479
Brogden's expiring. Maybe you can flip.

2292
01:42:37,239 --> 01:42:39,359
Speaker 1: I mean maybe like Bone's Island is a flyer for them?

2293
01:42:39,399 --> 01:42:41,279
Isn't because I think if they're going to take a flyer,

2294
01:42:41,359 --> 01:42:43,239
or like because I don't think they should be buyers,

2295
01:42:43,239 --> 01:42:44,760
even though you said that at the top they should.

2296
01:42:45,079 --> 01:42:47,039
I'm probably still looking at is there anyone who just

2297
01:42:47,079 --> 01:42:49,359
has some wiggle on the offensive end on ball. I

2298
01:42:49,359 --> 01:42:51,279
know you have Jordan Pool, I know you have Bub Carrington,

2299
01:42:51,319 --> 01:42:53,560
but don't have do we know that they have their

2300
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:56,840
playmaker the future? Bub comes closest to I'm not saying

2301
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:58,960
Bones Island is it? But just like someone come on

2302
01:42:59,039 --> 01:42:59,520
ball shake.

2303
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:01,720
Speaker 2: I think, did you say Man is in that deal

2304
01:43:02,359 --> 01:43:03,439
for the Brogden one?

2305
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:05,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be Man, Tucker and Bones.

2306
01:43:05,399 --> 01:43:08,039
Speaker 2: I think maybe Man is like the sneaky key part

2307
01:43:08,079 --> 01:43:10,279
of that, because if you're the Wizards.

2308
01:43:10,159 --> 01:43:12,119
Speaker 1: You oh, I would I would do it. If I'm

2309
01:43:12,119 --> 01:43:13,960
a Wizards, I wouldn't think twice. It's the Clippers that

2310
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:15,520
I personally have pause for.

2311
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:18,199
Speaker 2: I yeah, no, I think, well, it's just can Brogden

2312
01:43:18,279 --> 01:43:18,680
be healthy?

2313
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:19,199
Speaker 1: And is he?

2314
01:43:19,359 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 2: I mean he kind of does give them something they need.

2315
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:24,479
Speaker 1: And they did reject him once though. But the other

2316
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:27,399
thing too is if it's like Brogden, maybe he ends

2317
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:29,880
up because it's La It's a team that he wanted

2318
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:32,720
to go to at one point, Like when this conjures up,

2319
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:35,920
are you getting like Malcolm Brogden just super cheaply to keep?

2320
01:43:36,039 --> 01:43:38,800
Would be another component of making a decision like that.

2321
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:41,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that could be. I wonder what his market

2322
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:44,319
will be like. Most likely player to be traded.

2323
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:46,600
Speaker 1: I think is Jonas Vlachunis because the number is so

2324
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:49,479
small and the Lakers seem like they are obsessed.

2325
01:43:49,119 --> 01:43:51,720
Speaker 2: With him because Anthony Davis does not want to play

2326
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:53,319
center for the thousand times.

2327
01:43:53,319 --> 01:43:55,319
Speaker 1: The problem with that, though, is just like they have to.

2328
01:43:55,439 --> 01:43:57,279
I would think you have to give up multiple picks

2329
01:43:57,319 --> 01:44:00,600
if the Wizards are taking back Gabe Vincent, he has

2330
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:02,880
another year left on this deal. That would be my guess.

2331
01:44:03,159 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe so, But I mean, I think Vucevic makes

2332
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:07,840
a lot more sense in LA than Valentunis does, but

2333
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:09,520
just because of the spacing if you're gonna have two

2334
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:11,239
bigs out there, But I just.

2335
01:44:11,159 --> 01:44:13,239
Speaker 1: Don't know getting to his money is so I guess

2336
01:44:13,239 --> 01:44:16,520
it's Vanderbilt and Vincent. Whether Vince has been a little

2337
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:19,079
bit better on offense lately, but like, what does Chicago want.

2338
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:21,239
Speaker 2: With That's the thing is it's more picks because you're

2339
01:44:21,239 --> 01:44:22,359
talking about a bigger number.

2340
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting though. Next team up, we have entered

2341
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:28,239
the realm of teams that might fuck shit up before

2342
01:44:28,279 --> 01:44:32,000
we're done recording this. The Chicago Bulls four point five

2343
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:35,840
million dollars below the tax. According to Grant's proprietary financial metrics,

2344
01:44:36,039 --> 01:44:38,000
they are sending their twenty twenty five first round pick

2345
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:40,439
to San Antonio. It's top ten protected, then it is

2346
01:44:40,439 --> 01:44:43,640
top eight protected through twenty twenty seven, turns into a

2347
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:46,720
twenty twenty eight second round pick if not conveyed. They

2348
01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:50,239
also own that quote Sportland's twenty twenty five first but

2349
01:44:50,279 --> 01:44:52,399
that thing is lottery protected until the end of time

2350
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:55,600
before turning into a twenty twenty eight second rounder. They

2351
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:57,960
also do have but they're so close to the tax

2352
01:44:58,319 --> 01:45:00,279
maybe it doesn't matter. But they have that set zeteen

2353
01:45:00,319 --> 01:45:03,279
point five million dollar trade exception from tomorrow de rozen.

2354
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:06,800
It doesn't expire until the summer, so there's no real rush.

2355
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:08,600
But if they were looking to just you know, it

2356
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:11,039
allows them to be more flexible depending on what type

2357
01:45:11,039 --> 01:45:13,119
of money is going out from their side and if

2358
01:45:13,119 --> 01:45:16,119
they want to roll over a trade except or you know,

2359
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:21,399
increase the length until it expires. Grant, we could go

2360
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:23,680
through the biggest needs for this roster, which feels like

2361
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:27,319
who's their long term center? Do they have any long

2362
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:30,880
term wings on this team? But it's really just like

2363
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:35,079
what are a direction? I think because they haven't been bad,

2364
01:45:35,119 --> 01:45:36,920
but that's also kind of the problem. We're not sure

2365
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:38,680
if they're going to keep their pick. That to so

2366
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:41,359
to San Antonio. So where are you at with them?

2367
01:45:41,359 --> 01:45:42,079
And during the depth.

2368
01:45:42,319 --> 01:45:44,319
Speaker 2: I'm glad you prefaced it that way because it is

2369
01:45:44,399 --> 01:45:46,840
just like a macro thing for them. It needs to

2370
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:50,560
you need to make the decision. What are are Are

2371
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:54,159
we just going to finally do this and try and

2372
01:45:54,199 --> 01:45:59,439
like because we can concede that's the market for whoever

2373
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:02,319
they might be willing to trade could be better later

2374
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:05,720
It's possible, right, like another year off Levine's deal, maybe

2375
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:07,960
he's easier to move. Maybe you get first for that

2376
01:46:08,079 --> 01:46:11,800
for him. Maybe it's just like same with Vucevic, go

2377
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:15,760
on down the line. I just think fundamentally they got

2378
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:17,800
to decide and like we know which way we would

2379
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:20,359
send them. It's just blow it up, tear it down.

2380
01:46:21,159 --> 01:46:23,319
They need to decide what they're gonna do, and then

2381
01:46:23,319 --> 01:46:25,239
from there it gets pretty easy. It's just you take

2382
01:46:25,279 --> 01:46:27,439
what the best offer is for Vucevic, which is probably

2383
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:29,680
gonna be a couple seconds. You're not getna first for him.

2384
01:46:30,199 --> 01:46:32,840
I don't know. I honestly don't know what Levine's market

2385
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:35,920
value is right now, Like just looking at the individual production,

2386
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:39,000
even with that salary, it's like that's a first round

2387
01:46:39,039 --> 01:46:44,439
asset player, I think at least one. So if that's

2388
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:46,319
on the table, you do that too. And then we've

2389
01:46:46,319 --> 01:46:50,399
talked to like you, Wanzo Ball, Kobe White, I would

2390
01:46:50,399 --> 01:46:52,880
assume oo, just how thorough do you want to get?

2391
01:46:53,119 --> 01:46:55,079
And so I'm not looking at any of their needs.

2392
01:46:55,119 --> 01:46:57,880
I don't care what they need. What they really need,

2393
01:46:57,880 --> 01:46:59,960
more than anything else we could talk about, positionally, is

2394
01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:03,880
just a commitment to stop being where they are. I think,

2395
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:06,319
because there's not a you can't look at this roster

2396
01:47:06,359 --> 01:47:09,000
and say there's a path to being better, like you know,

2397
01:47:09,079 --> 01:47:11,880
in a meaningful way. So just make a decision and

2398
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:13,239
then take what you can get. I don't want to

2399
01:47:13,239 --> 01:47:14,960
oversimplify it, but that's kind of where they are and

2400
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:15,600
where they've been.

2401
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:18,239
Speaker 1: Do you think that decision has made any harder though?

2402
01:47:18,279 --> 01:47:22,279
By their proximity to the tax because they're not gonna

2403
01:47:22,279 --> 01:47:24,079
take back I mean, they can take back some money,

2404
01:47:24,119 --> 01:47:25,840
but we know they're not going to pay the tax.

2405
01:47:26,159 --> 01:47:28,359
It probably shouldn't be at four and a half million dollars,

2406
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:31,039
and none of these got I think. I mean if

2407
01:47:31,039 --> 01:47:33,600
you're moving Levine is probably pretty easy to cut money

2408
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:35,439
just because his number is so huge.

2409
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:40,000
Speaker 2: Right, and I think I think it's so. Here's where

2410
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:43,039
it gets really easy, I think is if you expand

2411
01:47:43,239 --> 01:47:46,039
the scope of who you're willing to trade two guys

2412
01:47:46,039 --> 01:47:48,800
like Kobe White, because that's like you are in control

2413
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:51,279
of those negotiations you're gonna get. You're gonna get you

2414
01:47:51,319 --> 01:47:54,119
can say like we want to take back less and

2415
01:47:54,159 --> 01:47:57,079
you're gonna make this a pick heavy thing. Like it's

2416
01:47:57,119 --> 01:48:00,159
harder I suppose if you don't really get aggressive with

2417
01:48:00,199 --> 01:48:02,880
how many guys you're willing to trade, and you only

2418
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:06,319
try to trade the guys that are too old, too expensive,

2419
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:08,159
not helpful in.

2420
01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:10,680
Speaker 1: Is gonna leave this summer?

2421
01:48:10,760 --> 01:48:14,239
Speaker 2: Yah, yeah, so yes, yes, the tax has to be

2422
01:48:14,279 --> 01:48:16,920
a concern. I just think that if you're if you're

2423
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:19,720
thorough enough and you're committed enough, like you're not gonna

2424
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:22,199
have to worry about that. As Chicago, I don't think.

2425
01:48:22,279 --> 01:48:24,359
Speaker 1: That, by the way, that's I still think that's the

2426
01:48:24,439 --> 01:48:26,520
move would be to trade Kobe White if you can

2427
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:29,760
get multiple first round picks and then whatever like a

2428
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:33,039
player like a something like that. I'm not saying they

2429
01:48:33,079 --> 01:48:34,800
have to they could still be bad enough this season

2430
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:36,079
for sure, and we'll have to see how it works

2431
01:48:36,079 --> 01:48:38,359
out for him with his contract moving forward and what

2432
01:48:38,399 --> 01:48:41,039
they would get him in future deals. The most likely

2433
01:48:41,039 --> 01:48:43,760
player to be traded. I bounced back and forth between

2434
01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:46,000
Lodzo and Voots because well, first of all, let's start

2435
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:50,680
here or and here. Zach Lavine's a new nickname, Stockholm syndrome.

2436
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:55,359
According to Jake, he wants to be in Chicago, which

2437
01:48:55,399 --> 01:48:57,720
is just did they come to him with we might

2438
01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:59,840
be sending you here and he just really doesn't want

2439
01:48:59,880 --> 01:49:02,720
to Like that is that makes no sense because he

2440
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:04,840
seemed miserable.

2441
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:09,520
Speaker 2: And nothing has changed like this is I mean what

2442
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:13,079
the same coach, same executives, basically same team, Like it's

2443
01:49:13,079 --> 01:49:15,560
a weird change of heart. It feels like I don't

2444
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:18,840
know what the what the game is if there's a

2445
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:21,479
game being played, like trying to gin up value type

2446
01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:24,319
of thing. But yeah, I I don't get it. I

2447
01:49:24,319 --> 01:49:26,439
think it's Vucevic is most likely to be traded just

2448
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:29,479
we've heard plenty of rumors about him. He's kind of

2449
01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:31,359
the poster boy for like, if we're gonna get off

2450
01:49:31,399 --> 01:49:34,119
the treadmill, he's the guy to go, so I would

2451
01:49:34,119 --> 01:49:35,079
pick him pretty easily.

2452
01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:37,279
Speaker 1: What's the deal you like for him to go to

2453
01:49:37,319 --> 01:49:38,079
the Warriors?

2454
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:40,680
Speaker 2: It can just be you can get the salary whoever

2455
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:41,960
you want. I think it's got to be.

2456
01:49:42,079 --> 01:49:45,119
Speaker 1: Like doesn't need to be three for one or my

2457
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:46,239
who like like.

2458
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:48,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, because because you got to I don't have the

2459
01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:50,720
numbers up R Peyton and Looney. And then you maybe

2460
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:54,279
throw in uh. I'm trying to think who the obvious

2461
01:49:54,319 --> 01:49:58,000
third guy you dare, say Gi Santos or him. Can't

2462
01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:01,039
trade that guy. But and then and it's two seconds,

2463
01:50:01,119 --> 01:50:03,000
I think, get to the money how you need to it,

2464
01:50:03,079 --> 01:50:05,000
or Kyle Anderson can be in that too. I guess

2465
01:50:05,039 --> 01:50:07,880
if Kyle Anderson's in it, then I don't know that

2466
01:50:08,279 --> 01:50:11,760
the Bulls might want a little more pick equity wise,

2467
01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:13,840
but it's a couple seconds and it's it's just sal

2468
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:15,760
you know, Lune and Peyton or the anchors.

2469
01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:19,800
Speaker 1: I think, uh, I think it's Vouch. I could just

2470
01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:21,920
see it being Lonzo because I'm wondering if he's easier

2471
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:25,039
to move. They're about the same price, but he just

2472
01:50:25,079 --> 01:50:27,279
doesn't have any money left on his deal, and so

2473
01:50:27,279 --> 01:50:29,159
I'm wondering if the Bulls won't be because there was

2474
01:50:29,279 --> 01:50:30,800
reporting and they're not gonna get it. That the Bulls

2475
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:32,880
want a first round pick for Nikola Vucevich was just

2476
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:36,279
not happening, and so if they stick to their principles,

2477
01:50:37,199 --> 01:50:39,199
Like are they just gonna keep him because they couldn't

2478
01:50:39,199 --> 01:50:40,079
get a first round pick?

2479
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:42,760
Speaker 2: That's what I said, is like there is a possibility

2480
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:44,600
you might be able to get one later. I don't care.

2481
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:46,439
I think you gotta just do it now. You're just

2482
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:48,079
can't set yourself back another year.

2483
01:50:48,359 --> 01:50:50,279
Speaker 1: Is there any move they could make that would open

2484
01:50:50,359 --> 01:50:53,720
up more minutes for modest Bouzellis, who basically does not

2485
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:57,399
play in second halves. This is the Julia Poe from

2486
01:50:57,399 --> 01:50:58,640
the Chicago Tribune for that.

2487
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:01,119
Speaker 2: This is the problem is it shouldn't take a move

2488
01:51:01,199 --> 01:51:03,039
to open minutes up for him. It should take like

2489
01:51:03,079 --> 01:51:08,920
a correct organizational prioritization of like who matters. I don't know,

2490
01:51:08,960 --> 01:51:10,680
get Patrick move Patrick Williams.

2491
01:51:11,439 --> 01:51:13,960
Speaker 1: Is there a team that would even just take a

2492
01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:15,800
flyer on that deal at this point?

2493
01:51:16,119 --> 01:51:19,880
Speaker 2: Why would you? I don't it's worth I don't know.

2494
01:51:20,039 --> 01:51:21,880
Speaker 1: He was clearly good enough to get a five year

2495
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:23,399
deal with a player option from the Bulls.

2496
01:51:23,399 --> 01:51:26,279
Speaker 2: So yeah, clearly good enough and especially impressive in a

2497
01:51:26,359 --> 01:51:28,239
market where no one was going to give him like

2498
01:51:28,479 --> 01:51:30,119
two thirds of that besides them.

2499
01:51:30,279 --> 01:51:32,479
Speaker 1: That'd be funny if that becomes because his number is

2500
01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:34,720
currently so low. If part of the Kobe White trade

2501
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:36,439
value is you get off Patrick Clake.

2502
01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:40,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't mention Kobe White when we talked about

2503
01:51:40,159 --> 01:51:43,720
Orlando either. That's another no brainer for them. That is

2504
01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:46,600
a that's a great name for Orlando and actually many

2505
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:47,079
other teams.

2506
01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:48,439
Speaker 1: I don't know that I have anything else on the balls.

2507
01:51:48,439 --> 01:51:50,560
I would agree Wuch is the most likely player to

2508
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:52,640
be traded. Do you think I'm gonna set the over

2509
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:58,199
under at point five of Nicolovic, Lonzo Ball, Zach Lavine?

2510
01:51:58,399 --> 01:52:03,319
Just the Bulls trading over are under point five players.

2511
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:05,600
Speaker 2: That's a that's a bad line. That's an easy over.

2512
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:07,560
One point five would have been a lot harder. Okay,

2513
01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:10,399
one point five, I push they trade half of somebody.

2514
01:52:12,319 --> 01:52:14,479
Do you think they trade one of Vouch, Lonzo or

2515
01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:16,399
Zach Lavine? That's right, Yeah, I think they trade Vouch.

2516
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:18,279
I think I feel pretty good about that.

2517
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:22,000
Speaker 1: Second to last team here is the Milwaukee Bucks, who

2518
01:52:22,039 --> 01:52:24,239
were becoming way more interesting than I kind of ever

2519
01:52:24,279 --> 01:52:26,800
thought they were gonna be. They are a second Apron team,

2520
01:52:27,159 --> 01:52:29,279
but they're only six point five million dollars into the

2521
01:52:29,319 --> 01:52:32,079
second Apron. So will they duck it by moving Pat Content?

2522
01:52:32,279 --> 01:52:34,640
Will they duck it by moving Pat Content? Bobby Portis,

2523
01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:37,760
Chris Middleton and getting Jimmy Butler and Za or Zach

2524
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:39,000
Lavine or maybe.

2525
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:41,479
Speaker 2: Bradley Bradley bial who can say they.

2526
01:52:41,319 --> 01:52:43,760
Speaker 1: Can trade their twenty twenty thirty one first round pick.

2527
01:52:44,279 --> 01:52:45,760
I don't know what to do with this team, man,

2528
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:49,399
this is I think if you could duck the second

2529
01:52:49,399 --> 01:52:51,199
Apron by getting rid of Pat Content, and it's not

2530
01:52:51,199 --> 01:52:54,239
gonna like independent of other moves, I don't know how

2531
01:52:54,279 --> 01:52:56,600
you do, Like, what what do you have to do

2532
01:52:56,640 --> 01:53:00,199
that with? In terms of non first round equity, you're

2533
01:53:00,239 --> 01:53:04,039
not working with a ton there they have they can

2534
01:53:04,079 --> 01:53:07,000
trade their twenty thirty one second round pick, Like, that's

2535
01:53:07,039 --> 01:53:09,239
not getting Is that getting Pat Connotaine who has a

2536
01:53:09,239 --> 01:53:11,000
player option for next year? Off your books?

2537
01:53:11,720 --> 01:53:14,520
Speaker 2: Man? I mean that's really the only second they have,

2538
01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:14,840
is that?

2539
01:53:14,920 --> 01:53:15,079
Speaker 1: Right?

2540
01:53:15,800 --> 01:53:15,960
Speaker 2: Uh?

2541
01:53:16,439 --> 01:53:18,560
Speaker 1: I like that you assume I'm wrong, but that's correct.

2542
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:21,640
Speaker 2: No, it's just like because I was just I was

2543
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:23,840
all ready to say all Content's clearly the most obvious

2544
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:26,680
guy to be traded. They because you just get into

2545
01:53:26,680 --> 01:53:29,680
the second apron, then you can agg well, you can

2546
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:33,119
aggreate as long as you don't go over. Man, that's tough.

2547
01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:37,239
Aren't you surprised that they've I mean, it is surprising,

2548
01:53:37,239 --> 01:53:39,199
and it isn't it that they're looped into so many

2549
01:53:39,239 --> 01:53:42,199
of these big deals just because of how coming into

2550
01:53:42,199 --> 01:53:44,600
the season it was just like they can't do anything.

2551
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:47,079
They just they're so inflexible.

2552
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:50,000
Speaker 1: But it does make sense when you consider that if

2553
01:53:50,039 --> 01:53:52,760
your best trade asset is that twenty thirty one first

2554
01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:55,079
round pick, you're not just gonna give I know, I

2555
01:53:55,119 --> 01:53:58,880
saw some people float like Pac Content for Io Desumu

2556
01:53:59,039 --> 01:54:00,680
and then you're giving up that's twenty thirty one first

2557
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:02,560
round pick. I don't know if I could get there

2558
01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:04,760
as the Bucks. I understand why they might do it,

2559
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:08,159
but I would assume who is good at top out

2560
01:54:08,159 --> 01:54:09,279
as your fifth best player.

2561
01:54:10,079 --> 01:54:13,840
Speaker 2: I just and that doesn't get you under the apron anyway, right,

2562
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:15,239
because the difficult.

2563
01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:17,520
Speaker 1: You're you are correct, maybe the balls are taking back

2564
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:19,960
Marjon Bochamp two or whatever, and you'd have to figure

2565
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:21,840
out other ways. So that's it. That's an even better

2566
01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:25,600
point there. So I don't I don't know, but I

2567
01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:28,840
really think the question with them is, let's start here.

2568
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:33,199
Do you think, well, we'll have to start here. Do

2569
01:54:33,239 --> 01:54:36,319
you like the idea of them getting Bill Levine or Butler?

2570
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:39,039
If you're this team, are you for what it's gonna

2571
01:54:39,079 --> 01:54:42,359
cost you the twenty thirty one pick those other three players?

2572
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:45,640
Are you doing that? I will say, I don't understand

2573
01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:49,439
with Bradley Bal. What is the appeal with Bradley Beal

2574
01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:51,680
when he has that no trade clause? Is it that

2575
01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:54,800
they would be getting picks back? That's it because you're

2576
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:57,079
not giving up the twenty thirty one first, so you'd

2577
01:54:57,079 --> 01:54:59,600
be ducking the second apron and then in theory getting

2578
01:54:59,640 --> 01:55:01,520
picks while acquiring Bradley Beal.

2579
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:06,439
Speaker 2: I don't see the Beal thing for them from any standpoint.

2580
01:55:06,600 --> 01:55:10,920
I think Levine I could, okay, I get it, that

2581
01:55:10,960 --> 01:55:11,720
makes some sense.

2582
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:14,279
Speaker 1: Would you up your twenty thirty one pick for Lavine? Though?

2583
01:55:14,479 --> 01:55:16,359
Speaker 2: And Middleton's going out and that has to go out

2584
01:55:16,359 --> 01:55:21,520
in that too, right? I might if i'm because maybe

2585
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:24,439
Middleton just is at a point where, even though his

2586
01:55:24,520 --> 01:55:28,840
number is lower, he's the Levine is just more valuable,

2587
01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:32,119
like dollar for production going forward, and you have to

2588
01:55:32,159 --> 01:55:35,680
be pretty significantly more valuable to justify the twenty thirty

2589
01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:38,279
one going out Lavine. I think of those guys as

2590
01:55:38,319 --> 01:55:40,079
the only one I do it for. I don't the

2591
01:55:40,119 --> 01:55:43,840
Butler fit is just like it's weird, and I just

2592
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,840
I don't know. Maybe that's wrong. Maybe it should just

2593
01:55:45,880 --> 01:55:47,960
be Butler should be the guy that they should want.

2594
01:55:48,359 --> 01:55:50,960
Lavine makes the most, Lavine feels the safest. How about that?

2595
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:53,239
Maybe it's just me being risk averse that that if

2596
01:55:53,279 --> 01:55:54,760
I had to get one of those three guys on

2597
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:57,039
the roster for and it costs the twenty thirty one,

2598
01:55:57,039 --> 01:55:59,119
I think I feel best about Levine and I don't

2599
01:55:59,159 --> 01:55:59,479
love it.

2600
01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:04,560
Speaker 1: Do you like Levine is also? I guess in theory

2601
01:56:04,600 --> 01:56:07,640
you could game the Lavine deal differently to where okay,

2602
01:56:07,640 --> 01:56:10,319
Middleton still gone, but could you figure out a way,

2603
01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:13,239
like are you sending out enough contracts with Connaton and

2604
01:56:13,279 --> 01:56:18,399
Middleton to keep Bobby Portis who not great this year?

2605
01:56:18,479 --> 01:56:20,359
But like does feel because like, what are you doing

2606
01:56:20,359 --> 01:56:22,720
with backup? Bigger? You just say, well, no, that's honest.

2607
01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:25,039
Now we have the brook of the Yannis minutes, but

2608
01:56:25,439 --> 01:56:27,039
then we have like those two are just gonna be

2609
01:56:27,079 --> 01:56:28,000
staggered and solo.

2610
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:31,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets tough. Portois is too important to the

2611
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:35,680
rotation is the problem? Like, and that's just what happens when.

2612
01:56:36,159 --> 01:56:38,800
Speaker 1: I think you probably could send out enough money if

2613
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:41,479
it was Levine too, but you're not. The problem is

2614
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:44,079
there though, You're not going to then duck the second apron.

2615
01:56:44,119 --> 01:56:46,239
So if you're aggregating, you need to duck the second apron.

2616
01:56:46,279 --> 01:56:49,039
That's the importance of moving the port It like, you

2617
01:56:49,079 --> 01:56:51,359
can't you need to shave six and a half million

2618
01:56:51,399 --> 01:56:53,760
dollars while matching, So you basically need to send out

2619
01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:56,880
like fifty one million bucks to get Levine while not

2620
01:56:56,960 --> 01:57:00,840
including Bobby Portis. That's like I think probably like five

2621
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:02,600
or six rotation players at that much.

2622
01:57:02,520 --> 01:57:04,479
Speaker 2: Right, and now you're just expanding the deal to like

2623
01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:06,840
six teams because you can't just you can't be doing

2624
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:09,199
four for ones all over the place. It gets real

2625
01:57:09,239 --> 01:57:12,039
comple I mean, anything they do if it's a multi

2626
01:57:12,039 --> 01:57:15,359
team thing is gonna be really complicated. But I but

2627
01:57:15,479 --> 01:57:16,600
hypothetically doable.

2628
01:57:17,039 --> 01:57:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm currently at five players, Chris Middleton,

2629
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:23,279
Marjon Bochamp, delonn Wright aj Green just as a number placeholder,

2630
01:57:23,319 --> 01:57:25,720
and the Bucks would still be a second Apri team

2631
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:29,880
after once. So that's it. That's where it gets. I

2632
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:31,680
think I would do it, though I give up the

2633
01:57:31,680 --> 01:57:34,680
twenty thirty one first to get Butler and door Levine.

2634
01:57:35,039 --> 01:57:37,119
If you told me I was getting picks for Bradley

2635
01:57:37,159 --> 01:57:39,800
Beal and you're just resigned, I get, well, we'll ride

2636
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:42,279
out his no trade clause. I don't know. I don't

2637
01:57:42,279 --> 01:57:44,039
think you could talk me into it. I don't. I

2638
01:57:44,039 --> 01:57:44,960
don't think I could do it.

2639
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:53,079
Speaker 2: Man, Just like how many? Like? How many am I getting? Again?

2640
01:57:53,159 --> 01:57:54,920
How easily you know the.

2641
01:57:54,920 --> 01:57:57,560
Speaker 1: Picks that are in play? It's the three picks that

2642
01:57:57,600 --> 01:57:58,359
the Suns have.

2643
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:00,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, but how many of those?

2644
01:58:00,399 --> 01:58:02,560
Speaker 1: Or you get like because is my Miami is not

2645
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:05,680
gonna punt on getting any picks, so you're let's say

2646
01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:07,399
they get two of those.

2647
01:58:09,239 --> 01:58:11,359
Speaker 2: I mean, the logic would be the same as it

2648
01:58:11,399 --> 01:58:13,840
is for Phoenix, which is, at least now you have

2649
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:20,079
multiple sweeteners. Your rating of their sweetness may vary because

2650
01:58:20,079 --> 01:58:22,880
they're going to be not great, but like, at least

2651
01:58:23,079 --> 01:58:25,680
you add the ability to do like more than one

2652
01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:28,960
thing flexibility wise, which is part of the appeal to Phoenix.

2653
01:58:29,039 --> 01:58:31,079
Even if they do just bundle all those up, Salery,

2654
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:35,039
that's the thing. You add some flexibility. But you have

2655
01:58:35,119 --> 01:58:37,600
the same issue that the Suns do, where it's just like, no,

2656
01:58:37,720 --> 01:58:38,159
you have a.

2657
01:58:38,119 --> 01:58:40,479
Speaker 1: Worse issue because you're now sending out the last of

2658
01:58:40,520 --> 01:58:42,119
your mid end contracts to get.

2659
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:44,760
Speaker 2: Well, that's right, that's right. So I guess I guess

2660
01:58:44,800 --> 01:58:47,119
My answer is I'm gonna need them all, all three

2661
01:58:47,159 --> 01:58:50,119
of those and those that's not on offer, So I

2662
01:58:50,199 --> 01:58:51,439
will I think if.

2663
01:58:51,359 --> 01:58:53,920
Speaker 1: You were getting all three, maybe I would. That warrants

2664
01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:56,840
a conversation. I just I don't know that I understand

2665
01:58:57,279 --> 01:59:00,439
the theory of Braddy Beal on this team, because I

2666
01:59:00,479 --> 01:59:02,279
know he can be a better player than we've seen

2667
01:59:02,319 --> 01:59:05,800
in Phoenix. But like Zach Levine makes more sense offensively

2668
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:07,680
on a team that has Giannis and Dame than Bradley

2669
01:59:07,720 --> 01:59:11,359
Beal does. To me, unless you think that, I honestly

2670
01:59:11,359 --> 01:59:13,680
don't like, can you to us throw the picks out

2671
01:59:13,680 --> 01:59:16,560
of the equation. What is the what makes Bradley Beal

2672
01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:19,600
a better fit than Zach Lavine on this Bucks team?

2673
01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:22,640
Other than get ability? Is that what it is?

2674
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:26,159
Speaker 2: No? Yeah, if you're just asking like you No, that

2675
01:59:26,359 --> 01:59:29,319
is it? I mean how gettable? Yeah, Levine is just

2676
01:59:29,359 --> 01:59:31,720
a better player at all the things that Beale is

2677
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:34,880
good at, right, like at the zach Lyviane's more durable

2678
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:37,000
that when's the last time we I mean, that's that's

2679
01:59:37,079 --> 01:59:38,319
that's a wild thing to contemplate.

2680
01:59:38,359 --> 01:59:40,760
Speaker 1: Maybe that if you really put the ball in Bradley

2681
01:59:40,760 --> 01:59:43,800
Beal's hands, he might be the better playmaker. But he's

2682
01:59:43,840 --> 01:59:48,319
making more money too, So like it really is, you know,

2683
01:59:48,439 --> 01:59:50,399
for Beal, at the very least, you're not giving up

2684
01:59:50,439 --> 01:59:52,199
your twenty thirty one first round pick, and if you're

2685
01:59:52,199 --> 01:59:54,720
getting Levine, I'm assuming that you are giving up Yeah.

2686
01:59:54,600 --> 01:59:56,439
Speaker 2: I guess that's the argu that would be the case

2687
01:59:56,479 --> 01:59:59,079
you'd make that that's the difference. Essentially.

2688
01:59:59,560 --> 02:00:02,760
Speaker 1: I still think of the two, we know what we prefer.

2689
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:05,920
Would you prefer Butler or Levine for this team?

2690
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:08,680
Speaker 2: I think it's Levine. Is that crazy?

2691
02:00:09,479 --> 02:00:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy because you're not sending out

2692
02:00:12,039 --> 02:00:15,479
anyone who's been mission critical to your defense this season,

2693
02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:18,039
and you've been better defensively, Like what does the defense

2694
02:00:18,119 --> 02:00:18,520
look like?

2695
02:00:18,680 --> 02:00:19,199
Speaker 2: It's bad?

2696
02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:24,039
Speaker 1: But you're you're really like you're banking on Torrean Prince

2697
02:00:24,079 --> 02:00:28,399
and Gary Trent Junior and like Andre Jackson and who

2698
02:00:28,439 --> 02:00:30,279
am I forgetting a j Green has had some like

2699
02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:33,199
but you're just really a lot of those guys there,

2700
02:00:33,239 --> 02:00:37,119
lifts that are already outsize relative to their roles get heavier.

2701
02:00:37,159 --> 02:00:39,680
I think Giannis's job, for what he does, too, gets

2702
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:42,720
a lot more difficult did over Brook Lopez.

2703
02:00:43,279 --> 02:00:47,720
Speaker 2: I just I here's I don't know that Butler's that

2704
02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:49,239
great a defender anymore, like he.

2705
02:00:50,199 --> 02:00:52,680
Speaker 1: Would instantly become the best perimeter defender on Milwaukee.

2706
02:00:52,720 --> 02:00:54,520
Speaker 2: But well, that's that's more of a statement about the

2707
02:00:54,520 --> 02:00:56,920
Bucks than it is about him. I think also, like,

2708
02:00:57,239 --> 02:00:59,399
do you feel better about having Levine for the last

2709
02:00:59,399 --> 02:01:01,760
couple of years this dealer Butler? If you bring him

2710
02:01:01,800 --> 02:01:03,319
back at the Payriod, it's gonna take.

2711
02:01:03,279 --> 02:01:05,680
Speaker 1: I might, Yeah, I think I might prefer Levine too.

2712
02:01:05,800 --> 02:01:07,039
I think I might be a little bit higher on

2713
02:01:07,039 --> 02:01:09,600
Butler's defense. But even just the the off ball stuff

2714
02:01:09,640 --> 02:01:11,720
on offense, you're now asking probably a lot more of

2715
02:01:11,800 --> 02:01:14,159
Damian Lillard to be off the ball if you're getting Butler.

2716
02:01:14,399 --> 02:01:16,319
Or we've seen Butler used as the screener, but I

2717
02:01:16,359 --> 02:01:18,520
don't know how much of that he's doing in Milwaukee,

2718
02:01:18,600 --> 02:01:20,720
and then which gianness is appeal? If if Jimmy Butler is

2719
02:01:20,720 --> 02:01:22,119
the one setting screens.

2720
02:01:21,760 --> 02:01:25,840
Speaker 2: Is the fit's clunky? I mean, defensively, you can, I would,

2721
02:01:25,880 --> 02:01:27,920
I guess I would concede that Butler would help more

2722
02:01:27,960 --> 02:01:30,439
than Levine. That doesn't feel like a stretch. But offensively,

2723
02:01:30,479 --> 02:01:33,640
do you just give more back because you're super crunched now.

2724
02:01:35,079 --> 02:01:39,760
Speaker 1: Art like, who's the Yeah, I guess you're downgrading your

2725
02:01:39,800 --> 02:01:42,279
spacing with that deal, is what you're doing. Because in net,

2726
02:01:42,399 --> 02:01:45,039
like in net, Jimmy Butler is still the best offensive

2727
02:01:45,039 --> 02:01:48,239
player of anyone that's going, including Chris Middleton going out.

2728
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true.

2729
02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:51,920
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but is he the better fit? Yeah, that's on.

2730
02:01:52,199 --> 02:01:53,720
I thought I was gonna default to Butler, but I

2731
02:01:53,720 --> 02:01:56,560
think I'd prefer them to get Levine safer.

2732
02:01:56,920 --> 02:01:59,680
Speaker 2: He's safer, he's cheaper. That's just that's gonna do it

2733
02:01:59,680 --> 02:01:59,920
for me?

2734
02:02:00,640 --> 02:02:03,119
Speaker 1: Would he? If you're retrading them though, Butler on his

2735
02:02:03,159 --> 02:02:05,439
next deal or Levine on his deal, let's just say

2736
02:02:05,439 --> 02:02:07,119
they're both two years left. Who's going to get you

2737
02:02:07,159 --> 02:02:07,720
more value?

2738
02:02:08,239 --> 02:02:09,840
Speaker 2: I mean, why is the answer? And he? I think

2739
02:02:09,840 --> 02:02:12,600
it might be Levine. I think because the cost is

2740
02:02:12,600 --> 02:02:14,199
going to be what it is for Butler, And it's

2741
02:02:14,239 --> 02:02:17,640
just like, I don't know, I am I are we

2742
02:02:17,680 --> 02:02:19,800
out on the being in the Jimmy Butler business? Is

2743
02:02:19,800 --> 02:02:21,159
that too? Is that too rash?

2744
02:02:21,279 --> 02:02:24,000
Speaker 1: But I think any team that's not Memphis right can be.

2745
02:02:24,800 --> 02:02:27,039
Speaker 2: That's the problem is Memphis was like, I make Memphis

2746
02:02:27,039 --> 02:02:27,520
makes sense?

2747
02:02:27,560 --> 02:02:27,880
Speaker 1: Do it?

2748
02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:29,000
Speaker 2: And he's like, Nope, not there.

2749
02:02:29,279 --> 02:02:32,439
Speaker 1: Well, what is did Memphis do something to Jimmy Butler?

2750
02:02:32,520 --> 02:02:34,800
Was that they held Andre Godala hostage at one point?

2751
02:02:34,840 --> 02:02:36,039
Is that? What is that?

2752
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:39,840
Speaker 2: I even forgot about that whole saga. Uh, I don't know.

2753
02:02:39,920 --> 02:02:41,439
It doesn't make sense to me. He doesn't want to

2754
02:02:41,439 --> 02:02:43,359
live in Memphis that I guess. I don't know.

2755
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm just find I'm finding a fact like Mark J.

2756
02:02:45,880 --> 02:02:48,319
Spears saying, I've heard any team but Memphis.

2757
02:02:48,640 --> 02:02:51,119
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe the Grizzlies make all their players stay in

2758
02:02:51,159 --> 02:02:53,039
the same hotels on the road, and he's just out

2759
02:02:53,079 --> 02:02:53,319
on that.

2760
02:02:55,239 --> 02:02:57,199
Speaker 1: Uh, that most likely player to be traded on the

2761
02:02:57,199 --> 02:02:57,720
Bucks Grant.

2762
02:02:59,000 --> 02:03:01,319
Speaker 2: I guess I'll just say content even though we just

2763
02:03:01,359 --> 02:03:02,720
talked about how tricky that is.

2764
02:03:03,239 --> 02:03:04,960
Speaker 1: Do you think that they'll be able to move him

2765
02:03:04,960 --> 02:03:08,840
if they can't strike a bigger deal, Like that's including

2766
02:03:08,840 --> 02:03:11,119
them aggregating, Like do you think that there's a team

2767
02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:14,399
with just that second that would say, hey, we'll take

2768
02:03:14,399 --> 02:03:16,960
pack content into our non taxpayer in the mid level

2769
02:03:17,039 --> 02:03:18,279
exception or something.

2770
02:03:18,319 --> 02:03:20,399
Speaker 2: That's I mean, the fact that he can fit into

2771
02:03:20,439 --> 02:03:23,000
the exception really helps. I'll I guess I'll say yes,

2772
02:03:23,079 --> 02:03:25,239
since I'm picking him. But that's another one I don't

2773
02:03:25,239 --> 02:03:26,319
feel super confident in.

2774
02:03:26,600 --> 02:03:29,800
Speaker 1: We didn't even really get into really quickly the players

2775
02:03:29,800 --> 02:03:31,720
we mentioned. Do you think any of them are I

2776
02:03:31,720 --> 02:03:34,600
guess Jimmy Butler comes closest to addressing their biggest need,

2777
02:03:34,640 --> 02:03:38,039
which feels like perimeter defense maybe, but I'm not even

2778
02:03:38,079 --> 02:03:40,840
sure that's Like, if you want athleticism, Levine would be

2779
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:44,239
the way to go. You could say they need a backup,

2780
02:03:44,279 --> 02:03:46,640
big upgrade, and that's not going to be Levine or

2781
02:03:46,760 --> 02:03:47,479
Jimmy Butler.

2782
02:03:48,840 --> 02:03:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just we need a guy that

2783
02:03:52,239 --> 02:03:55,279
kind of does the Andre Jackson things but is more

2784
02:03:55,279 --> 02:03:58,600
of an offensive threat I suppose, which I guess Butler

2785
02:03:58,720 --> 02:04:01,840
sort of fits that beat than anyone because we've conceded

2786
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:05,239
he is of the guys we've discussed the best defender,

2787
02:04:05,319 --> 02:04:08,520
but he's not like he's got the size. He's not

2788
02:04:08,640 --> 02:04:11,479
like an athletic wonder anymore by any stretch. But yeah,

2789
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:13,760
that that type. It's been that for a while. That's

2790
02:04:13,800 --> 02:04:15,680
why Jay Crowder was a thing there. They just like

2791
02:04:15,720 --> 02:04:18,079
need someone to guard your combo forwards and your and

2792
02:04:18,119 --> 02:04:18,840
your two threes.

2793
02:04:19,119 --> 02:04:21,560
Speaker 1: I do wonder how much the interested beel Or Levine

2794
02:04:22,039 --> 02:04:25,119
is bored from what's happened with Chris Middleton and his health.

2795
02:04:25,239 --> 02:04:27,119
And then if just because of the way that Giannis

2796
02:04:27,199 --> 02:04:30,680
is on the ball, you don't have that conventional second

2797
02:04:30,840 --> 02:04:33,079
initiator type guy aside.

2798
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:33,880
Speaker 2: From Dame Right.

2799
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, our final team, grant we made it to the Miami, we.

2800
02:04:37,640 --> 02:04:40,199
Speaker 2: Should just say say Jimmy Butler's name like fifty times

2801
02:04:40,199 --> 02:04:40,840
and talk about him.

2802
02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:43,000
Speaker 1: But is he the most likely player to be traded?

2803
02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:49,039
Speaker 2: What if he wasn't Terry Rozier. So they're just two

2804
02:04:49,079 --> 02:04:50,960
and a half million under the second aprin two point

2805
02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:52,640
six if you want to be precise, that means they're

2806
02:04:52,640 --> 02:04:55,239
a point two above the first thirteen point six above

2807
02:04:55,279 --> 02:04:58,439
the Tacks. Their twenty five first is going to the

2808
02:04:58,439 --> 02:05:01,720
thunder with lottery protection if it it doesn't convey unprotected

2809
02:05:01,800 --> 02:05:05,520
in twenty six, So that is also something we've talked about,

2810
02:05:05,560 --> 02:05:08,319
like what's the right way to approach that their twenty

2811
02:05:08,319 --> 02:05:10,960
seven first goes to Charlotte with lotter protection, it becomes

2812
02:05:11,039 --> 02:05:14,319
unprotected if not conveyed in twenty twenty eight. So we've

2813
02:05:14,319 --> 02:05:16,960
got the Jimmy Butler saga. Obviously, their biggest need is

2814
02:05:17,399 --> 02:05:20,119
that to go away one way or the other, like

2815
02:05:20,279 --> 02:05:25,439
resolve it somehow. And then it's kind of like, I

2816
02:05:25,439 --> 02:05:30,520
think we've agreed that they're not interested in tanking or

2817
02:05:30,640 --> 02:05:32,680
I mean, there's for several reasons, they're not really in

2818
02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:35,000
position to do it. It doesn't seem to serve their interests,

2819
02:05:35,199 --> 02:05:39,039
so they're gonna want present talent back. They also seem

2820
02:05:39,079 --> 02:05:42,800
to not want long term salary back, which is gonna

2821
02:05:42,840 --> 02:05:46,520
make this whole thing tricky. But I mean, if you're

2822
02:05:46,520 --> 02:05:49,479
listening to us, surely you've heard more than you can

2823
02:05:49,560 --> 02:05:53,159
handle of the Butler saga. And really for them, like, yeah,

2824
02:05:53,159 --> 02:05:56,000
they're the newsiest team we're going to talk about, but

2825
02:05:56,079 --> 02:05:59,000
it's relatively uncomplicated, right. It's just they got to figure

2826
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:02,199
out the best Butler deal and then decide like what

2827
02:06:02,279 --> 02:06:04,640
their priorities are. I think they've telegraphed some of that

2828
02:06:05,399 --> 02:06:08,920
in a return package, and where that positions them going forward,

2829
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:12,479
by the way, being run by pat Riley, who's what

2830
02:06:12,640 --> 02:06:15,039
eighty pushing eighty, and so they're going to be short

2831
02:06:15,119 --> 02:06:17,520
term thinkers. So I don't know where you want to

2832
02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:18,000
start there.

2833
02:06:19,000 --> 02:06:20,880
Speaker 1: I think we need like the you can go back

2834
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:23,039
and listen to like one of a dozen episodes probably

2835
02:06:23,039 --> 02:06:25,279
from us. Let's attack this from a different angle. He

2836
02:06:25,399 --> 02:06:27,159
is the most likely player to be traded.

2837
02:06:27,479 --> 02:06:28,600
Speaker 2: Correct in the league?

2838
02:06:29,279 --> 02:06:33,159
Speaker 1: Right, Well, that might go a little far. I think

2839
02:06:33,399 --> 02:06:35,359
New Orleans getting out of the trading someone to get

2840
02:06:35,359 --> 02:06:37,039
out of the tacks might be just pick a player

2841
02:06:37,079 --> 02:06:40,239
from there. What is we know that they're then going

2842
02:06:40,319 --> 02:06:43,000
to try to at least remain competitive post Jimmy Butler?

2843
02:06:43,039 --> 02:06:46,520
What is the archetype of player they need most when

2844
02:06:46,520 --> 02:06:49,760
you're looking at this team through the window of Jimmy

2845
02:06:49,800 --> 02:06:53,079
Butler is gone. We haven't talked about.

2846
02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:55,920
Speaker 2: That, No, we haven't. So that's why I'm pausing for

2847
02:06:55,960 --> 02:07:00,039
a second. I suppose, Well, I guess it depends on

2848
02:07:00,199 --> 02:07:03,840
what whether you think Tyler Hero is gonna be your

2849
02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:07,840
primary playmaker and ball handler, which.

2850
02:07:07,720 --> 02:07:10,000
Speaker 1: I think I think that you still probably answered the

2851
02:07:10,079 --> 02:07:13,760
question though, because he probably is at least no worse

2852
02:07:13,800 --> 02:07:17,439
than like a number two type guy there, h Terry Rozier.

2853
02:07:17,479 --> 02:07:20,039
You need the player, probably Terry Rozier. You thought Terry

2854
02:07:20,079 --> 02:07:22,600
Roziel was going to be for you, but with more

2855
02:07:22,640 --> 02:07:25,600
ball handling and maybe even more size. But I think

2856
02:07:25,920 --> 02:07:27,880
I think you hit it by saying maybe Tyler Hero

2857
02:07:28,039 --> 02:07:30,600
is that guy, but then you still need like the

2858
02:07:30,680 --> 02:07:31,680
guy to that guy.

2859
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:36,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, Like I mean, it's it's too easy,

2860
02:07:36,479 --> 02:07:40,000
but you do you maybe just and everybody would want this,

2861
02:07:40,159 --> 02:07:42,760
I suppose, But do you do you just need someone

2862
02:07:42,920 --> 02:07:46,880
to occupy the Jimmy Butler spot in the team hierarchy,

2863
02:07:47,399 --> 02:07:50,880
you know, like the go to scorer that is gonna

2864
02:07:50,920 --> 02:07:52,840
guard I mean he doesn't again, he doesn't do this

2865
02:07:52,840 --> 02:07:54,720
as much as he used to, but is gonna be

2866
02:07:55,039 --> 02:07:58,600
the dude you throw at tough threes and fours and

2867
02:07:58,640 --> 02:08:01,920
twos in games that matter. Is it just we need

2868
02:08:01,960 --> 02:08:05,880
another star slash superstar or can you reorient this which

2869
02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:08,319
I think is maybe where it's going around Bam and

2870
02:08:08,399 --> 02:08:13,439
Hero and you're talking like role player guys type. Yeah,

2871
02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:15,960
yeah again back to the three and D wings. That's yeah,

2872
02:08:16,439 --> 02:08:17,039
I don't know.

2873
02:08:17,680 --> 02:08:20,479
Speaker 1: That's interesting. So we're gonna So if if you've decided

2874
02:08:20,520 --> 02:08:23,279
we're just gonna reorient around Tyler Hero Obam at a bio,

2875
02:08:23,960 --> 02:08:27,159
I still feel like, so maybe you're saying, I guess

2876
02:08:27,199 --> 02:08:28,920
the need would not come in the back court at

2877
02:08:28,920 --> 02:08:31,800
that point, is what you're saying. At least not if

2878
02:08:31,840 --> 02:08:33,239
you're going to go in the back court, it needs

2879
02:08:33,279 --> 02:08:36,039
to be like the lebron K Luca. These guys are

2880
02:08:36,079 --> 02:08:36,800
six seven.

2881
02:08:36,640 --> 02:08:39,640
Speaker 2: Six wing, Yeah, you'd be it'd be a backward player nominally,

2882
02:08:39,720 --> 02:08:42,520
but it would be a wing forward sized guy probably probably,

2883
02:08:42,560 --> 02:08:45,039
I'd say. And and again, if if Bam is your center,

2884
02:08:45,199 --> 02:08:48,479
then shooting needs to be I think a premium. Maybe

2885
02:08:48,479 --> 02:08:50,680
that lightens the playmaking burden. If you want to go

2886
02:08:50,760 --> 02:08:54,600
back to Bam being like a major facilitator, there's some

2887
02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:57,159
there's some flexibility there. I would ask you though, like,

2888
02:08:58,079 --> 02:09:01,560
as we're talking about this, how good are you if

2889
02:09:01,680 --> 02:09:05,720
if you are Hero and Bam centric with role players

2890
02:09:05,760 --> 02:09:09,000
around you, Like, I don't know how I feel about that.

2891
02:09:09,039 --> 02:09:11,560
If you're you can be competitive, but I don't know

2892
02:09:11,600 --> 02:09:14,600
if the heat are satisfied being competitive. I don't think

2893
02:09:14,640 --> 02:09:17,039
you're a contender level team unless you have just ace

2894
02:09:17,119 --> 02:09:18,399
role players around those two.

2895
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:21,159
Speaker 1: Well, I think the easy thing to look at would

2896
02:09:21,199 --> 02:09:24,640
be because isn't that essentially what they are when Jimmy

2897
02:09:24,680 --> 02:09:26,159
Butler's off the court and.

2898
02:09:26,079 --> 02:09:29,119
Speaker 2: Minus all the distractions I spoke, I guess how do

2899
02:09:29,159 --> 02:09:29,560
you weigh that?

2900
02:09:29,720 --> 02:09:32,680
Speaker 1: Right? You would? But if you're because those minutes this

2901
02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:36,000
year they've not been good. They're minus three point eight

2902
02:09:36,039 --> 02:09:38,079
per one hundred when Bam and Tyler Herroll play without

2903
02:09:38,119 --> 02:09:41,680
Jimmy and they're in the thirteenth percentile of offensive efficiency.

2904
02:09:41,880 --> 02:09:44,520
Now what you could say is the remaining talent is

2905
02:09:44,560 --> 02:09:48,159
it yet optimized for that setup? I mean, Hayward high Smith,

2906
02:09:48,319 --> 02:09:50,239
Tarot's ear has been bad, you have high may Hawk

2907
02:09:50,399 --> 02:09:53,680
is like, it's not You're not far off from like

2908
02:09:53,720 --> 02:09:55,720
the theory of what the team would look like anyway,

2909
02:09:55,720 --> 02:09:58,319
it's can you get players who's played the same roles

2910
02:09:58,319 --> 02:10:01,119
as Hayward high Smith, but it's better r Hayward high Smith.

2911
02:10:01,720 --> 02:10:03,800
I was gonna ask you, like, would there be though

2912
02:10:03,840 --> 02:10:07,840
then knowing that, like any appeal to if you're sending

2913
02:10:07,960 --> 02:10:11,359
Jimmy like out, but and you can figure out a

2914
02:10:11,399 --> 02:10:14,119
way to get Beeal to agree, like bringing back zach

2915
02:10:14,159 --> 02:10:16,640
Lvine is my point as part of any Jimmy deal.

2916
02:10:16,880 --> 02:10:18,560
Is that something that would interest you or is that

2917
02:10:18,640 --> 02:10:21,560
too redundant? You think with hero.

2918
02:10:21,680 --> 02:10:25,199
Speaker 2: That hero fit is real tough. I think if you, well,

2919
02:10:25,199 --> 02:10:27,800
first of all, I would again, just as in Milwaukee,

2920
02:10:27,840 --> 02:10:31,760
I'd way rather have Levine than Beale. So that's I mean,

2921
02:10:31,760 --> 02:10:33,720
I don't feel like we need to even really highlight that.

2922
02:10:34,359 --> 02:10:37,880
I wouldn't foreclose it because at this point it's kind

2923
02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:40,600
of a beggars can't be choosers situation. You're very limited

2924
02:10:40,640 --> 02:10:43,920
in what you can do trading Butler. If you do

2925
02:10:44,039 --> 02:10:47,399
have a backward of Levine and hero Man, like you

2926
02:10:47,479 --> 02:10:50,119
really then you really need the better hey version of

2927
02:10:50,159 --> 02:10:53,359
Haywood high Smith out there with Bam and probably another

2928
02:10:53,439 --> 02:10:56,800
defense first guy, because that's just that's gonna be real tough.

2929
02:10:57,960 --> 02:11:00,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's funny because I think we could maybe

2930
02:11:00,319 --> 02:11:03,000
even agree on the archetype, but I don't know, like

2931
02:11:03,079 --> 02:11:06,199
what is a realistic player that would Miami could maybe

2932
02:11:06,239 --> 02:11:08,039
not as even part of the Jimmy Butler deal. But

2933
02:11:08,720 --> 02:11:10,800
like I guess you're getting some first round picks, but

2934
02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:13,000
like then you're sending those out and rerouting them. It's

2935
02:11:13,359 --> 02:11:18,199
it's so complicated. But I ultimately think like there's a chance. No,

2936
02:11:18,319 --> 02:11:19,840
there's not a chance. I think if you're sending out

2937
02:11:19,880 --> 02:11:22,760
Jimmy Butler and your goals to remain competitive, you still

2938
02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:25,840
need a second best offensive player. And I mean that

2939
02:11:25,880 --> 02:11:27,680
in the sense of even if bam Adebayo is your

2940
02:11:27,720 --> 02:11:30,720
best all around player, there are limitations if you're running

2941
02:11:30,720 --> 02:11:33,520
offense through him. And unless there's just some theory of

2942
02:11:33,560 --> 02:11:35,680
this team conceptually, we have not seen yet where that

2943
02:11:35,720 --> 02:11:38,600
would change you like you need that. You might even

2944
02:11:38,640 --> 02:11:40,479
you could even argue they still need a best.

2945
02:11:40,239 --> 02:11:42,560
Speaker 2: Offensive That's where I was gonna like push back a

2946
02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:46,159
little bit. I think as much as Hero has improved,

2947
02:11:46,560 --> 02:11:49,079
I think if Tyler Hero is your best offensive player,

2948
02:11:49,399 --> 02:11:51,399
that team needs to have a lot of very specific

2949
02:11:51,439 --> 02:11:55,279
things elsewhere in the rotation to make you, I don't know,

2950
02:11:55,399 --> 02:11:57,479
to get you over like a forty three forty four

2951
02:11:57,520 --> 02:11:59,439
win kind of threshold. I think.

2952
02:12:00,119 --> 02:12:03,079
Speaker 1: I thought this is like somewhat related, But there's not

2953
02:12:03,159 --> 02:12:05,399
a team that would just you get Bradley Beal and

2954
02:12:05,439 --> 02:12:07,800
waves no trade, cause by acquiring him and then simply

2955
02:12:07,880 --> 02:12:10,279
just waving him, you're just eating the money for the

2956
02:12:10,319 --> 02:12:13,279
next two years. What would be the team on that timeline.

2957
02:12:12,880 --> 02:12:15,640
Speaker 2: That would be brazen enough to have fifty plus million

2958
02:12:15,680 --> 02:12:18,399
dollars with money on the you can won't even stretch him.

2959
02:12:18,399 --> 02:12:20,560
Speaker 1: But that would be so five years of beal on

2960
02:12:20,640 --> 02:12:22,760
the books. That's like twenty million dollar cap pits.

2961
02:12:23,079 --> 02:12:25,319
Speaker 2: Oh man, I don't think there is you will you

2962
02:12:25,439 --> 02:12:28,199
just have to like maybe it would be Danny Ainge, right,

2963
02:12:28,319 --> 02:12:31,359
would be the guy who would think, can you imagine

2964
02:12:31,399 --> 02:12:33,880
that there's already like when is Utah going to get serious?

2965
02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:35,880
If you did that, it's like, well, we're not starting

2966
02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:39,319
till twenty twenty eight. Basically, maybe Washington, well it'd have

2967
02:12:39,399 --> 02:12:42,960
to be the Washington's. I mean, Charlotte could Galaxy brain

2968
02:12:43,000 --> 02:12:45,520
it and be like, look how conservative and forward thinking

2969
02:12:45,560 --> 02:12:47,680
we are. Now, what do you think about that requests

2970
02:12:47,680 --> 02:12:50,399
to trade on the spot? If that, well, maybe that's

2971
02:12:50,439 --> 02:12:50,920
part of the plan.

2972
02:12:51,279 --> 02:12:53,800
Speaker 1: So I think our final thing here on the heat

2973
02:12:54,239 --> 02:12:56,000
if you are trading Jimmy Butler, there's a lot of

2974
02:12:56,000 --> 02:12:57,399
money to shave off, and I know you're trying to

2975
02:12:57,439 --> 02:13:00,479
be competitive. Are you trying to duck the tack? Though? Too?

2976
02:13:00,520 --> 02:13:02,000
Like I feel like the Pistons are going to be

2977
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:04,840
involved in here somehow at any Jimmy Butler's trade.

2978
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:07,520
Speaker 2: I think that's right because that thirteen six is I mean,

2979
02:13:07,560 --> 02:13:10,039
that's that's a lot of money. It's just you are, well,

2980
02:13:10,039 --> 02:13:12,600
you're giving up what's a just under fifty like forty

2981
02:13:12,600 --> 02:13:16,760
eight point eight. Yeah, if you take back Beal, I mean,

2982
02:13:16,960 --> 02:13:19,479
how do you duck the tax? If it's Beal that

2983
02:13:19,560 --> 02:13:22,159
comes back, if it's Levine that comes back, then you're

2984
02:13:22,159 --> 02:13:24,560
in business, right because that's a well not even that's

2985
02:13:24,560 --> 02:13:26,840
not even that big difference. Oh man, you.

2986
02:13:26,760 --> 02:13:30,720
Speaker 1: Could look at like like a Duncan Robinson or Terry

2987
02:13:31,399 --> 02:13:33,000
I don't know who wants Terry Rozier as the problem.

2988
02:13:33,000 --> 02:13:35,600
And then you're just dealing with all small salaries like

2989
02:13:35,640 --> 02:13:39,920
you could Josh Richardson who yeah and Kevin Love Like

2990
02:13:39,960 --> 02:13:42,560
would those be if you're taking back Levine and then

2991
02:13:42,960 --> 02:13:45,960
you're just giving but then we're dealing with roster spot issues.

2992
02:13:46,399 --> 02:13:47,880
It would be tough, and I guess the moral the

2993
02:13:47,880 --> 02:13:51,680
story would be. I doubt there's a there's a package

2994
02:13:51,880 --> 02:13:54,960
where they duck the tax and they haven't decided to

2995
02:13:55,039 --> 02:13:57,000
punt on this season to some extent.

2996
02:13:57,800 --> 02:14:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, which like, as far as this season goes, you

2997
02:14:01,039 --> 02:14:03,159
should be okay punting. It's I get it. If you

2998
02:14:03,199 --> 02:14:05,039
want to be in the mix next year, But.

2999
02:14:05,399 --> 02:14:07,520
Speaker 1: Well you aren't you worried about that unprotected pick to

3000
02:14:07,560 --> 02:14:10,119
Miami unless you think you could really recalibrate over the.

3001
02:14:10,119 --> 02:14:13,319
Speaker 2: Summercount I forgot about that. That's such a complicating factor.

3002
02:14:15,399 --> 02:14:18,840
How bad can you get without with without totally ruining it?

3003
02:14:19,319 --> 02:14:21,920
I man, where do we We're gonna make this go

3004
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:26,119
too long? So I forget what we decided would be

3005
02:14:26,199 --> 02:14:29,840
ideal for the twenty five and twenty seven protected first that.

3006
02:14:29,800 --> 02:14:31,640
Speaker 1: They are, it's it's to convey it.

3007
02:14:31,720 --> 02:14:34,119
Speaker 2: This you want it because you don't want the exposure

3008
02:14:34,159 --> 02:14:36,239
of unprotected picks right right?

3009
02:14:36,319 --> 02:14:38,960
Speaker 1: Because so right now, I mean they are what do

3010
02:14:38,960 --> 02:14:39,520
they have there?

3011
02:14:39,960 --> 02:14:42,279
Speaker 2: God, they have to be out of the lottery. How

3012
02:14:42,279 --> 02:14:43,199
are they going to do this?

3013
02:14:43,640 --> 02:14:45,800
Speaker 1: They're in the lottery right now too, And I don't

3014
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:48,880
know how much they were better? Yeah there, they could

3015
02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:54,359
probably out tank the Spurs and the Bulls and maybe

3016
02:14:54,399 --> 02:14:57,119
the Sixers, but like even the Sixers have five more

3017
02:14:57,159 --> 02:15:00,560
losses right now, I don't know.

3018
02:15:01,239 --> 02:15:04,359
Speaker 2: This is so fraught, Like they have to they have

3019
02:15:04,439 --> 02:15:05,439
to trade Jimmy Butler.

3020
02:15:06,039 --> 02:15:06,439
Speaker 1: They have to.

3021
02:15:07,479 --> 02:15:09,560
Speaker 2: They have to get better, so they keep the pick.

3022
02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:11,600
That's like, that's impossible.

3023
02:15:12,000 --> 02:15:13,840
Speaker 1: Do you think that there's I know we said that

3024
02:15:13,880 --> 02:15:15,720
he's the most likely player on this team to be traded.

3025
02:15:15,760 --> 02:15:17,840
Is there any just outcome where you think that he

3026
02:15:17,920 --> 02:15:19,600
finishes the season in Miami.

3027
02:15:19,920 --> 02:15:22,039
Speaker 2: This is one of my like new things that I love,

3028
02:15:22,239 --> 02:15:24,960
is just like, yeah, you're just gonna stay here and

3029
02:15:25,000 --> 02:15:27,119
you're gonna be at home, and we're gonna let that

3030
02:15:27,159 --> 02:15:29,920
money come off the books and we'll go forward without you.

3031
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:34,520
If it comes off the books, Oh my god, can

3032
02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:37,239
you imagine? I mean, you would have to because he's

3033
02:15:37,239 --> 02:15:40,359
not getting that Well, it depends on so then but.

3034
02:15:40,520 --> 02:15:44,119
Speaker 1: The scenario you're out laying is so you get worse

3035
02:15:44,119 --> 02:15:47,319
because Jimmy Butler's at home, right, you don't convey the pick,

3036
02:15:47,680 --> 02:15:50,239
and that you still haven't disgruntled Jimmie Butler on your

3037
02:15:50,239 --> 02:15:54,359
books entering entering the summer, the.

3038
02:15:54,560 --> 02:15:58,439
Speaker 2: Boy this has gotten I didn't think this is getting bleak. Yeah,

3039
02:15:58,520 --> 02:16:01,319
I mean I'm a fan of like risking it with

3040
02:16:01,359 --> 02:16:03,600
guys like Brandon Ingram for example, just like yeah, we'll

3041
02:16:03,640 --> 02:16:05,800
sign in trade or whatever. But that's a different situation.

3042
02:16:05,880 --> 02:16:09,880
There's no there's no option. I don't know, man, I

3043
02:16:09,920 --> 02:16:12,600
just don't think there's any way that they can hit

3044
02:16:12,640 --> 02:16:15,920
all three of those goals that that we later.

3045
02:16:16,000 --> 02:16:18,039
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm rooting for, because I'm not really picking sides.

3046
02:16:18,039 --> 02:16:21,079
I don't think anyone comes off looking particularly good in

3047
02:16:21,119 --> 02:16:24,920
this situation. I hope and I believe he'll be traded.

3048
02:16:24,920 --> 02:16:26,720
Do if we had to predict he'll be traded, I

3049
02:16:27,039 --> 02:16:30,159
think so. Yeah. I hope it's not to Phoenix or Milwaukee.

3050
02:16:30,199 --> 02:16:32,399
I just want it to be somewhere random. Honestly, the

3051
02:16:32,399 --> 02:16:34,879
funniest outcome would be Memphis saying fuck it and trading

3052
02:16:34,879 --> 02:16:35,159
for him.

3053
02:16:35,159 --> 02:16:38,559
Speaker 2: Anyway, we're gonna Kauhi this thing. Yeah, it'scept half a

3054
02:16:38,600 --> 02:16:40,000
season instead of a full season.

3055
02:16:40,120 --> 02:16:43,239
Speaker 1: The problem is is that, like Jimmy Butler, is that

3056
02:16:43,280 --> 02:16:45,159
we although we did think Kawhi was the type, remember

3057
02:16:45,159 --> 02:16:46,639
people were like, oh, is he going to report to

3058
02:16:46,680 --> 02:16:48,920
Toronto at one point? Yeah?

3059
02:16:49,079 --> 02:16:52,920
Speaker 2: I mean I'd have a hard time believing anyone could

3060
02:16:52,959 --> 02:16:55,079
be more difficult than Jimmy's prepared to be right now.

3061
02:16:55,079 --> 02:17:00,440
Maybe maybe Harden, but yeah, also like he's how much

3062
02:17:00,520 --> 02:17:03,799
older than than Toronto kawhis butler right now? Is it

3063
02:17:03,840 --> 02:17:04,760
like eight years?

3064
02:17:04,959 --> 02:17:08,479
Speaker 1: Yeah? Six or seven or eight years? Yeah?

3065
02:17:08,639 --> 02:17:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll get traded.

3066
02:17:09,559 --> 02:17:09,959
Speaker 1: I agree.

3067
02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:11,600
Speaker 2: It would be a lot more fun if it wasn't

3068
02:17:11,639 --> 02:17:14,680
Phoenix or Milwaukee. Just just throw a wild card out there.

3069
02:17:14,760 --> 02:17:16,760
Speaker 1: I won't predict that, but I predict you will get traded.

3070
02:17:16,799 --> 02:17:19,399
They won't duck the tacks. I predict that they're still

3071
02:17:19,520 --> 02:17:21,200
not going to convey the pick this year, though, no

3072
02:17:21,239 --> 02:17:22,040
matter what happens.

3073
02:17:23,639 --> 02:17:25,639
Speaker 2: I don't know how good I feel about that last part.

3074
02:17:26,159 --> 02:17:27,000
That's gonna be tough.

3075
02:17:27,280 --> 02:17:29,319
Speaker 1: You don't think you think that they're I'm saying they

3076
02:17:29,399 --> 02:17:30,200
won't convey the pick.

3077
02:17:30,280 --> 02:17:31,959
Speaker 2: Oh you know that I agree that I agree with,

3078
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:33,959
which is a bad outcome. But yeah, I just don't

3079
02:17:33,959 --> 02:17:37,600
see how they get improve enough to hold on to it.

3080
02:17:37,639 --> 02:17:40,600
All right, we kept that super brief. How you feeling

3081
02:17:40,639 --> 02:17:42,680
grant want to take us out of here? I feel

3082
02:17:42,680 --> 02:17:45,479
like we I'm glad we saved the well. Who knows

3083
02:17:45,479 --> 02:17:47,000
what order you're going to be listening to this in,

3084
02:17:47,120 --> 02:17:49,959
but I'm glad we saved the potentially dangerous teams for last.

3085
02:17:50,799 --> 02:17:53,280
I think two hours plus is excellent for us to

3086
02:17:53,280 --> 02:17:55,239
do fifteen teams. I don't know what you're talking about.

3087
02:17:55,600 --> 02:17:57,719
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02:17:57,760 --> 02:18:00,879
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3089
02:18:01,159 --> 02:18:04,520
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3090
02:18:04,520 --> 02:18:06,879
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3091
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3092
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3093
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