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<v Speaker 1>This is the seventy seven WABC Mini Cast. Thomas cannipp

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<v Speaker 1>is one of our great attorneys. We have them all

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<v Speaker 1>on this show. You know, Alan Dershowitz, Joseph Tacopina, Author Idalla,

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<v Speaker 1>even my buddy Jose Baiez down in Miami. But cannipp

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<v Speaker 1>is as good as it gets. Remember he served as

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<v Speaker 1>an assistant District Attorney under Janine Piro. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>nominee for the Manhattan District Attorney. He got screwed by

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<v Speaker 1>the Republican Party or the fat, stupid racist Alvin Bragg won.

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<v Speaker 1>He also served in our Army National Guard, the Judge

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<v Speaker 1>Advocate the general in that corps. A veteran of the

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<v Speaker 1>Iraq War, He's a hero. He earned the Army Commendation

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<v Speaker 1>Medal and the Global War on Terrorism Medal.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at this.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the recipient of the Ronald Reagan Award for the

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<v Speaker 1>Advancement of Individual Liberty, the Marine Corps League Appreciation Award,

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<v Speaker 1>and as an inductee, this is the biggest one. All

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<v Speaker 1>you ready for this, the massive Peakua High School Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Fame. Come on now. Undergrad University of Rochester law

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<v Speaker 1>work at Hofstra. Also swore in Vicki Palladino. This guy

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<v Speaker 1>does it all. And Dave works with Steve Razor, a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good guy as well. And he's an author, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a new book out the name of the

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<v Speaker 1>book is Tuxedo Park, and I'm excited to tell to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it. Here is my good friend Tom Kaniff Thomas.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, buddy, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning? Say it and as always, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>your overly gracious introduction. I don't know who that guy

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<v Speaker 2>was you were talking about. I'll take it.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you really do all you could?

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<v Speaker 2>Get? You?

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<v Speaker 1>All that is? Is that true? All that stuff? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you blow me away.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I was a big deal from one of

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<v Speaker 2>my hockey one of my favorite hockey movies, slap Shots.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it said me your book.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course you know, on top of all that,

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<v Speaker 1>most people really do know you because you took on

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<v Speaker 1>that Daniel Penny case Ew and Razor and every decent

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<v Speaker 1>human being, every decent human being knew that Daniel Penny

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<v Speaker 1>was a hero that day on the subways. And the

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<v Speaker 1>guy was not the guy that died. It's unfortunate he died.

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<v Speaker 1>We do this all the time, right, whether it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>or Good in Minnesota, or this guy on the train.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't want to see people die, but sometimes they do.

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<v Speaker 1>And in this case, Daniel Penny was a hero. But

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason you and raise her. How to convince

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<v Speaker 1>this moron Alvin Bragg, and you know, after I indicted

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<v Speaker 1>him to that was the truth and you did do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would say that of all the great things

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<v Speaker 1>you've done, the Daniel Penny verdict is probably at the

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<v Speaker 1>very top of your list.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you know, that's certainly, that's certainly what I'm knowing for.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's funny. It was on John Katsmethes's show

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<v Speaker 2>last weekend. He brought me on to talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>book very graciously, and he was kind of going through

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<v Speaker 2>my resume like you did. And then I start talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the book and he goes, but tell what you're

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<v Speaker 2>really known for. Well, you know, yeah, I guess the

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Penny thing. But hey, I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the book.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's true that Daniel Penny thing was a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this book is just the first time you've written

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<v Speaker 1>a book.

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<v Speaker 2>I should know this. I don't. No, yeah, absolutely, finally

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know that. And it absolutely is my first

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<v Speaker 2>time writing a book. I've written a lot as an attorney,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is, you know, my first delve into the

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<v Speaker 2>fiction genre, if you will. And you know, it's something

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<v Speaker 2>that I conceived of in concept many many years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>actually when I was still working for gene and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I did a little. I put it aside. Life happens,

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<v Speaker 2>kids happen, marriage, marriage happens, and big trial like Daniel Penny.

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<v Speaker 2>But I never you know, I never walked away from it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then in the last two years, I said, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I really think I have something here. I

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<v Speaker 2>had some very pre eminent authors and a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>very prominent publishers I knew through professional circles that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of were willing to do me a favor. I so, like, you,

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<v Speaker 2>take a look at this, be brutally honest. I have

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<v Speaker 2>a day job, and you know, it was just resounding.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone you know, looked at it and said, this is

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<v Speaker 2>this is fantastic. You got to finish this.

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<v Speaker 1>I did, and it looks great. I saw the video

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll discuss the book in a second, but you

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<v Speaker 1>aren't talking about the very real possibility of making this

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<v Speaker 1>great book Tuxedo Park into a movie and somebody said

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<v Speaker 1>to me, mayben you that that may be a part

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<v Speaker 1>available for you said in this movie? Is that all

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<v Speaker 1>it says is that something you guys are really looking at.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I'm serious on both counts, because the one

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<v Speaker 2>one thing I get from everybody who's gotten a danced

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<v Speaker 2>copy of the book and read it, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>you you looked over it and so forth, is that

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<v Speaker 2>this is a cinematic story. This is like made for

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<v Speaker 2>the big screen. And what the publishing company did, which

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<v Speaker 2>has gotten kind of popular now because you can now

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<v Speaker 2>do things a lot more cost efficiencily in the world

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<v Speaker 2>of AI as far as putting together with the book

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<v Speaker 2>trailers which are like a movie trailer for a book.

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<v Speaker 2>So they engaged a company and I know you saw

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<v Speaker 2>the trailer.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, what a great trailer.

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<v Speaker 2>It came out great, Tom. I'm like, this is incredible,

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<v Speaker 2>you know so, and the good thing is between you

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<v Speaker 2>and me, well you and me and your audience a

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<v Speaker 2>million people. I retained the movie rights in that contract,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, we've had some very casual kind of

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<v Speaker 2>conversations with people. It's very early the book, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>first as to make it make its mark, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think it will. But to your second point, I could

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<v Speaker 2>never be part of a movie without trying to find

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<v Speaker 2>a part for Sid Rosenberg. And I think I got

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<v Speaker 2>one boy and Eddie he's a little bit of a villain.

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<v Speaker 1>I can do that. I play a mobster in every

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<v Speaker 1>movie I'm in.

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<v Speaker 2>You do you play a mobster and all that? So

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<v Speaker 2>this guy is you know, you wouldn't be playing the protagonist.

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<v Speaker 2>But who's you know, the kind of imperfect hero of

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<v Speaker 2>the book. But I got a character for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that, and most heroes are imperfect. And the protagonist.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess people read the book and say, maybe that's you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Canniff. His name in the book is John Palmer,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's a Manhattan a da. I wonder where you

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<v Speaker 1>got that from. So is it fair to assume that

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<v Speaker 1>John Palmer the star of this book is Thomas Canniff

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<v Speaker 1>in print?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, I think any You know what I've learned

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<v Speaker 2>the best people out there, is that, you know, good

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<v Speaker 2>writers always put a little bit of their own experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he's a term lived experience. I hate that term,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, into their work because it creates the

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<v Speaker 2>reality of it. And you know, I think that this

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<v Speaker 2>is a going to be a breakout hit. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be a great novel. But you know, not

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's going to love your work. And you gotta have

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<v Speaker 2>thick skin and you got to be willing to accept critics.

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<v Speaker 2>But one thing I will not accept is someone telling

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<v Speaker 2>me that, oh, yeah, this book isn't realistic. This isn't

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<v Speaker 2>real because there's so much in it that I've taken

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<v Speaker 2>from a bit for my personal life. My uncle built

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<v Speaker 2>houses in Tuxedo Park when I was a kid. My

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<v Speaker 2>grandmother lived up there. I'd be slept up there every weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I thought it would be a great place

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<v Speaker 2>to set a you know, murder conspiracy, knapping conspiracy case,

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<v Speaker 2>a very sort of surreal place. But you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>legal stuff that's in there, so much of that has

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<v Speaker 2>been taken from you know, what I've experienced in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five years prosecuting, defending in Manhattan, New York City and

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<v Speaker 2>other places, being in the in the Jaghorn, in the military.

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<v Speaker 2>There's touches of that in there. So the the realism

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<v Speaker 2>thing can't be criticized in my opinion, No, not the realism.

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<v Speaker 1>But but what you've never done, though disrespected Daniel Penny,

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<v Speaker 1>is at least I don't think you have is represent

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<v Speaker 1>the president, well the president elect of the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>in a criminal trial. So this cower through in the book,

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<v Speaker 1>This guy Kent Dawson, who at least in the AI

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<v Speaker 1>video looks every bit the part without giving away too much,

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<v Speaker 1>this will turn out to be a criminal investigation for

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<v Speaker 1>the president. Now, Joe Tacopino, def friends of both the Bars,

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<v Speaker 1>one of my best friends. He represented President Trump twice.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wasn't for murder for kids happening. So in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of realism, is that realistic in a book like this?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Well, look, I mean no question that this is

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<v Speaker 2>a work of fiction. You know, there were people who

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<v Speaker 2>approached me and said, hey, why don't you do a

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<v Speaker 2>book on the Daniel Penny case and this and that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, yeah, I'm not really ready to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a work of fiction. But the means and

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<v Speaker 2>the methods I describe are very much anchored in what

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<v Speaker 2>this would look like if something like this occurred. So

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<v Speaker 2>in other words, the plot is, you know, John Palmer

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<v Speaker 2>is a young prosecutor who gets sort of drawn into

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<v Speaker 2>an investigation of the disc the kidnapping of his teenage

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<v Speaker 2>girlfriend from you know, his teenage girlfriend from twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And as he gets further into the investigation, it's it

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<v Speaker 2>leads he starts discovering theory that evidence that leads back

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<v Speaker 2>to the president of the left of the United States

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<v Speaker 2>as being the person who perpetrated or conspired to do

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<v Speaker 2>the way pregnancy. Yeah, and it's this race against five

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<v Speaker 2>because it starts out he's just he's you know, put

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<v Speaker 2>quick quote, he's he's just the nominee or is about

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Well, what you just told me is not

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<v Speaker 1>only thrilling, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

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<v Speaker 2>Any of that. It's not out of real of possibility.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things why I personally think that

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<v Speaker 2>this book was kind of meant to be is I

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<v Speaker 2>first conceived and write the book, but it concede of

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<v Speaker 2>the concept and wrote a bit about it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>before even Trump won, before anyone had ever you know,

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<v Speaker 2>talked seriously about indicting a president or a former president

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<v Speaker 2>or president to be and then you know, through the years,

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<v Speaker 2>as I'm going back to this, these things are happening,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know it's interesting. I mean the book I

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<v Speaker 2>finished writing it a couple of years ago, but the

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<v Speaker 2>that takes years in of itself, believe it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just look at the things that happened in

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<v Speaker 2>the last year, you know, tragically, you know, the Nancy

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<v Speaker 2>Gunthrey case. You know, there's elements of of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing in this book that the Eric

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<v Speaker 2>Slowell you know, you know you have this is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a philandering politician. So there's a lot of things. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>work of fiction, no question, but there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>things that themes in the book that are kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like very of the moment as far as what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on in reality or what has been going on in

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<v Speaker 2>the public sphere of political sphere over the last months

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<v Speaker 2>and years. So in fact, act, there was some push

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, change the name of the book from

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<v Speaker 2>Tuxedo Park to Indictment, because the I would just jump

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<v Speaker 2>off the page. Trump was indicted and all that, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I pushed back a little bit because of

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<v Speaker 2>the book did a personal meaning to me, and I said, look, you,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd really like to call it Tuxedo Park. I dedicated

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<v Speaker 2>it to my late mother, and you know a history

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<v Speaker 2>there and ultimately I won that battle. Was publisher,