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Speaker 1: What's up, Fellasico's I am Dana Valley coming at you

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with an emergency ish since we waited a little bit.

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Podcast Mort Jensen of Yahoo Sports fame, of the NBA

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podcast fame, and of Forbes fame, as well as only

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fan celebrity is here to help me break down the

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Kevin Durant trade. He's headed to the Houston Rockets in

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exchange for John Green Dylan Brooks number ten five second

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round picks. We'll get into the details a little bit

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more in a second before we get started. You know,

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I'm cranky about this trade, Like I'm just it was

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game seven day of the NBA Finals. I know what happened,

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with plenty of time beforehand, but I wanted to just

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kind of focus in basking that maybe for like a

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day or two, like let's have the Sunday to prep

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and then the Monday afterwards. But no, but no, Mort,

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how the heck are you doing well?

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Speaker 2: Unlike you, I'm not a sour thing who was like

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all bend out of shape, like more action on NBA Finals. Stay,

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let's go, It's fine, spread it out.

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Speaker 1: I don't We're gonna be sitting here one day in

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August lamenting that like, we don't have anything to talk about,

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so we're gonna litigate.

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Speaker 2: Do you really want an August Durant trade?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Hell I look, I'm the type of person that

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likes to keep busy, so like the monotony of the

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offseason at points can get to me. So but this

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is just like also, it's Kevin and.

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Speaker 2: You talking like this is where we differ so greatly.

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I'm so European and comes out my ass like August

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is just that is that is holiday. Don't fuck with

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my holiday. Give me all the news now, and I'll

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take a month off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't congratulations to you for getting

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a month off that doesn't happen around here, least not

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at least not for me, which no complaints. I do

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love what I do most of the time. Let's dig

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into this trade, though, because I think we're gonna have

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some differences of opinion on it. So the details for

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anyone who might be living under a rock. The Houston

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Rockets are getting Kevin Durant. He is a year and

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fifty four point seven million dollars left on his contract.

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The Suns are receiving Dylan Brooks. He is two years

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and forty three point one million left on his deal.

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Jail and Green three years in one oh three point

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five million remaining. That exten that's an extension his rookie scale,

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the extension that he's going to begin next season. He

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has a player option for that third year in twenty

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twenty seven twenty twenty eight. They're also getting the number

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ten pick, which was also their own pick, so they

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could have had it. In addition to five second round picks.

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We're gonna end up starting with the Suns. But I

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just want your initial, like knee jerk reaction to when

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you saw this package kind of trickle out because the

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destination we kind of had a feeling it was going

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to be spurs or rockets, maybe the heat. What did

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you end up just thinking when you saw the final

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like details of everything.

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Speaker 2: The number one thought I had was, oh, that's fitting.

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And the reason I went to that immediately was because

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a couple of weeks ago, I wrote a piece over

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Yahoo where I basically said, don't overpay for Kevin durand like,

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I love the guy. He's still obviously elite, but he's

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going to be forty seven. There's going to be an

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end date to like for how long he's going to

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be elite and how long he's gonna even stay in

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the league. So for me to read, you know, the

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relinquished package, that just fell perfectly aligned to what my

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own expectations were about here and my own evaluation. So

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to me, it was like, oh, yeah, that's that's solid.

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Speaker 1: I think this probably ended up being a little less

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than I was expecting, but I was not in the

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camp of you know, we looked at it. I think

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a lot from the vantage point of the Spurs, where

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it's no, you're not trading Steph Castle or number two

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to get Kevin Durant about to turn thirty seven in

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the final year of his contract. I probably thought that I,

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it was probably at least a little bit more than this,

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or at least a return that I deemed more coherent

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for Phoenix. And that's where I just kind of want

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to start here, is so the Suns you wrote a

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little bit about this already, Just where do they get?

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You have Jalen Green, Bradley Beal, Devin Booker now on

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the same books one hundred and forty plus million dollars

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just owed the pure shooting guards that goes up if

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you don't consider Dylan Brooks wing. They're actually taking on

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money as part of this deal before I throw it

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to you because of the number ten pick hold. And

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also Green and Brooks make more than Kevin Durant. I

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think Green also has a trade kicker in there. So

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they're gonna get out of the second Apron. They're more

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than twenty million dollars into it right now. That does

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include number ten, the prospective bonuses and kickers, as well

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as non guaranteed deals for like me Sitch and Cody Martin,

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so they can waiving those two guys can immediately get

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you very close to getting out of the second apron.

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What do you just like? What are your impressions of

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Phoenix accepting this return? Do you think it was they

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really didn't have any other options, they were kind of

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boxed into this or I just I don't know what

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to make of it, because I personally I do not

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like this return for them.

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Speaker 2: And that's fair. I think I said this could be

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a win win, and the way I view a win

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win in this situation is they get the number tenth

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pick that's going to be additional flexibility moving forward in

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terms of having being a cost controlled asset who might be,

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you know, outplaying his contractual worth. You also get longer, younger.

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guard and you have three of them, but perhaps they

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are planning to reroute him. Perhaps down the line they

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can do something with Bradley Beal. I just don't hate

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that contract getting in there. I know that I'm not

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high on him in particular. I know you aren't either,

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but we also have to appreciate the fact that he

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does produce at a young age, like he does take

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and make a lot of threes. He is a guy

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who who can get you a certain level of production.

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But the Dylan Brooks inclusion is one I really like

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for Phoenix specifically. I think he just kind of fits

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that mold. I think he fits also into something that

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they needed. They didn't have that dude who was just

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kind of barking through everything and who just kind of

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sets the tone. Defensively. I thought Phoenix this season just

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came in with this very laxed, daisical, almost borderline lacy

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mentality defensively that is going to be ramped up by

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a pretty fair magnitude, I think with the inclusion of Brooks,

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so I don't hate it, like, could there have been

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better deals out there? Potentially? I guess we'll find out

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at some point. But knowing that Miami basically didn't want

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to give up anyone if the rewarding is true on that,

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it also made me feel like, oh, okay, perhaps the

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Sons were just like the best offer or sorry, the

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Rockets were just the best to offer for Katie. But

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I do think the number ten pick, that's that's the

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biggest settlement point for me, because I love that area

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of the draft, like if come on Malowatch for example,

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if he drops the ten, hell, yes, that's a great get.

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Colin Morey Boyles as well, great get?

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Speaker 1: Like why is I'm sorry? Why is a great get?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I love him?

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Speaker 1: He's one of my favorite What does he do differently

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from a prototypical big man? What is it that you

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trust that he does different? Though?

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Speaker 2: So I think they're spacing upside there. I don't. He

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is just a guy who's like a rim runner. I

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Speaker 1: I sense I just here's my thing. Okay, maybe he

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has a spacing, but it's gonna be more of a

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party trick. He's not doing it in volume. This is

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not He's not coming in here and being a floors. No,

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he's not there. There's nothing about his profile that suggests

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that he's gonna do that. That just seems like Murray,

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like if that's like the game, if there you end

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up drafting a center at number ten, that's just gonna

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be an all time fumble to.

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Speaker 2: Me, just because of the position.

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Speaker 1: If you're well the position, if you want, I need

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something with more scarcity coming in here as part of

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that number ten. So if there's a center who actually

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spaces the floor on more than like Yonis Valentunis volume

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per game, then you can come talk to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. See, that's the thing. I think. I think he's

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gonna scale up more than that. I think there's going

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to be like a broke lopezz type of situation in

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there down the line and not where you don't have

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to wait a decade or how way over many years

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it was for Brooke to get that shot. I think

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we're gonna look at a couple of years and then

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he's right there. I'm very, very high on Malowatch, so

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that's why I have him in there, and as a

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as a major win. Again, it comes down to how

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you evaluate these guys. But you and I can at

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least agree on Colin Murray boyles him at ten. Hell yeah,

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like I wouldn't hate that.

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Speaker 1: That's defensively, yeah, that's a nice.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, there's a lot to like. Theres the number ten inclusion,

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and just also, like I said before, what that gives

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you contractually major major bonus? The five seconds, you know,

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it's it's nice. It's not something that moves the needle

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necessarily unless you do good in the draft, which Phoenix

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historically is not a team that he really wants to

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get into. That but I just don't think it's as

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egregious as people make it out to be. And if

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there's a trade lined up for Jalen Green at some

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point later this summer, okay, then let's revaluate if that happens.

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Speaker 1: So a few things, and I think you know the

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seconds are like those are things that more bites at

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the draft apple or just sweeteners. You can include to

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get other deals over the hump. I think what you

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mentioned that's very important is we kind of need to

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on keeping Jalen Green, and that's just we know how

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that works. Seam sweet, they get a prolific score, Jalen

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makes me believe that this is someone they actively prioritized

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getting as an asset they hope to reboot. I also recognize, though,

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Bradley beyond the roster. That's just your saddle with the

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not trade clause. So I'm not going to get too

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caught up in the shooting guards of it all, or

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though it is it is a lot of money worth

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the shooting guards it is. I also firmly believe that

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teams are not in the business of accepting worse offers

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on the table. And so to me, I took this

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read as Miami didn't want to include anybody, and you

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decided this package of ten Green and books was better

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than fourteen. Sohan, Johnson and Barnes from San Antonio, and

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I think saying I'd rather have number ten and Dylan

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Brooks and Jalen Green like versus that either way you

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want to cut it. I think that's a reasonable stance

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to take. What I take issue with here are two things.

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Dylan Brooks, but like they absolutely need a player like that, right,

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I'm going to start with the trade itself because of

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the return, the arbitrary cutoff of the draft or before

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the draft, I firmly believe that undercut the return on

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Kevin Durant in the sense that, look at the circumstances,

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you had what is, as of right now, the single

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biggest trade prize on the market at a time when

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there's very little cap space, very little free agent talent.

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But you kind of pigeonholed yourself into saying, well, we

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need to do this by the draft, Whereas if I

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believe if you would have waited saying you needed to

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wait until August. But had you waited, okay, you don't

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get to choose which twenty twenty five prospect you're gonna

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get when pick X is on the clock. My response

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to that is, who the fuck cares? Because number ten

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or number nine, if you were gonna go to the

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Toronto Route, those were the highest selections you were ever

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gonna get. That's not in all likely gonna change the

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course of your franchise. And so I just don't understand

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why put yourself in a situation where you've given yourself

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even less leverage at a time when teams already knew

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you didn't have a ton of it, because you already

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tried to move Durant in the middle of the year,

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and you know that he kind of now wants to leave.

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He even said it afterwards. He was at fanatics Fest

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or whatever the fuck it's called and said, oh, Suns

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fans didn't want me there. You know, now we both

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get what we want. I think that that I know

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it sounds stupid and small, but I think that the

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mindset of we need to do this before the draft

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was beyond dumb. And I'm not saying that they would

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have gotten had they waited. Oh the Spurs come in

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with Steph Castle and all this stuff. No, oh, that

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doesn't happen. But there's a chance another team gets desperate

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and do you know I look at this and say,

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you're gonna tell me this package would not have been

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available to you had you waited until after the draft.

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I called them absolutely on that as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely that would have been available. And I think

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that is the primary criticism here. Absolutely, we're looking at

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an ownership group that doesn't seem to be understanding the

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benefits of patients. A new owner syndrome is absolutely still

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setting in we want to get things done. We're we

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want to get them done quickly. And yeah, like you said,

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there could be a team out there who might have

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anticipated a certain level of summer, may not have realized

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those expectations and would have sat there looking at each

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other going fuck what now, in which case someone could

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have said Kat the other one who has said oh

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all right, and then what about bit whoever else had

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an offer on the table. So yes, arbitrary deadlines are dumb.

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Speaker 1: The other issue I have, and this ties into the

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matt ishbia of it, is what do you view? And

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I'm not gonna answer my own question, but I have

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some file of this. What is the Suns' direction after this?

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Because there's just now this troubling pattern of impatience and

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incoherence ever since, ever since Matt Ishbia took over. It

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starts with the first Kevin Durant trade, where they not

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that they didn't negotiate something they didn't negotiate. They just

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kept giving the net stuff even though they were the

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only team on Kevin Durant's list. They then jumped right

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into Bradley Beal. They didn't figure out a way to

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keep Tamani Kamara as part of the DeAndre Ayton trade.

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They horqux the Bunks a bunch of their pick swaps,

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but that twenty thirty one pick that they sent out

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for three lesser selections that kind of enabled them to

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then turn around and what dump Nurkic at the deadline

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and you got Cody Martin back as part of that deal.

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And then you have this Kevin Durant thing to where

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it's another form of impatience. This has to get done

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by the draft. I don't I don't feel confident that,

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even if I knew what their direction was. I don't

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feel confident in the guy who's running ultimately everything.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: Brian Gregory's in charge of the front office now, Jordan

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Not's the head coach, but I don't feel confident in

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this team actualizing whatever direction it's choosing. But I feel

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even I don't even know what the direction is. But

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like I thought, I would look at a Kevin Durant

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trade return and at least kind of understand what the

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endgame was when looking at it all, whereas now if

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it was the Spurs is you're kind of looking at

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some shorter term contracts and like Harrison Barnes coming off

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the books, so maybe they're trying to angle themselves for flexibility,

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But I don't look at this package is something that

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clarifies anything to me for them.

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Speaker 2: Now, it definitely muddies the water a little bit because

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if you were thinking that they're going to try to

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accelerate in some way or like try to be competitive

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or go for the whole shebang next year, they just

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got significantly younger, which means they're either trying to load

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up for the future. But at the same time, they

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also got Dylan Brookson, who is by definition of win

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now player, So it feels like they're trying to have

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a foot in each camp, and like you, I don't

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know which one they're trying to leaning on the most.

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I would prefer personally they would scale back a little

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bit and say, Okay, it's not going to be this

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year or next year. Let's see what we can do.

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Can we build something sustainable around Devin Booker over the

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next eighteen months or so? And then there let's see

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if we have something where we can make a push, Like, what's.

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Speaker 1: The pathway to that? I'm sorry answer, but like, I

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guess that's what I'm like, what is the past? Probably?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I said eighteen months. Let me just look

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at it because it would be after the Bradley Beal trade,

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so that's a trade the contract, so that's actually two years, right, Yes.

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Speaker 1: What age? What is that? Age? Thirty one Devin Booker

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or is it? What is how old is he going

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to be at that point?

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Speaker 2: For any I think, right, okay.

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Speaker 1: That's but it's also just sort of it's the same

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thing when we get into like the Nuggets with Yoki

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and bus with It's it's okay, the youth part of

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their prime is is over.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Devin book that I don't think every at

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any point that a Kevin Duran trade was going to

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solve that, though, I think, yeah, like they they fucked

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up a while ago, right, Like, I don't think there

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was a saving grace in there. Like the Devin Booker

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situation is always going to be very very fluid because

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of their long listed decisions, to their not to their credit,

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to their benefit. Book seems hell bent on retiring as

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a son, like it seems like he does not want

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to leave that franchise, And if that offers them some

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type of leeway, if that offers them a time frame

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where they can say, okay, like let's take those two

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or three steps back forward so we can actually build

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something more sustainable, something more fitting. I don't really know

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what this description is that fits around book at to

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a greater extent, then we can do that. But again,

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like I I agree, would you, We don't know what

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the hell they're trying to do. We don't really know

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what the direction is. Those are all very very fair points, and.

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Speaker 1: Even you know, you frame it as you know, taking

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a step back and building something sustainable, like I guess

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you're just banking on okay, the number ten pick oh

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se Godar Ryan Dunn, like that's your developmental projects. And

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then like these sort of ends of the first round

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bites at the apple that you'll have in the coming year,

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because the whole taking a step back just rings so

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hollow when you don't control your own draft picks, right,

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And that's the situation they're in until twenty thirty two.

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So I understand that Kevin Durant trade was never gonna

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solve that, and I think Suns fans it seems like

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just wanted Kevin Durant off the team, which is fair

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like he seems he's one of the best basketball players

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of all time and also just seems like a killjoy.

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Just wherever he goes. It feels like the vibes just

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get worse that I don't know him personally, but that's

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just how it seems from afar, so I get that impetus.

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I just really feel like they're like and even here, it's, well,

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how do you trust yourself to develop the number ten

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pick if you're still trying to make immediate noise in

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the West, like I don't. I guess I'd feel better

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about maybe any trade if you sat here and told

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me the Suns are willing to kind of you remember that

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Nets team, like after the Kevin Garnett trade, that whole

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thing they kind of had to rebuild without their own picks,

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and they just they were resigned. They had to be

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bad without having the payoff for a while. I don't

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think this unseam is gonna do that. And I also

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just if the plan is we're hoping that Jalen Green

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just establishes himself and that someone we could move later on,

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I think the context of this team makes it a

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little harder to bank on him increase. Now, Devin Booker

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is immediately the best offensive player he's ever played alongside,

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and that's with all due respect Alprin Shangun. So maybe

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that opens things up for Jalen Green, But it's just

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I don't understand anything. But to your point, the alternative,

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aside from waiting, which I think is the big cardinals

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in here, I think they just should have waited where

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you're just running it back with Kevin Durant and then

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he might leave in free agency for nothing to summer.

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I recognize that you couldn't do that either. I just

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feel like they found a way to make an unwinnable

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situation even more unwinnable, which is honestly impressive.

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Speaker 2: Oh so you think they're in a worse situation up

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right now?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think I don't think they've improved their situation.

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Aside from oh, Kevin Durant, if the vibes were off,

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now that's gone, I don't think that they've improved. Like,

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do you think they're a better basketball team next season?

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Speaker 2: No? No, no, no. I was asking you because I

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wasn't sured like what you're trying to argue there on

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that front.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's the circuitest way of me getting to

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a point of saying I don't because we don't understand

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the plan. I don't think they're any better off right

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after this trade. Like long term, I think you would

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have to believe, okay, that number ten pick is gonna

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do something, because even Dylan Brooks is like, he's got

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two years left on his deal. But you juxtaposed that

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against what else did you want? I'm referring to myself

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with the third person, what else you want them to do? Dan?

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And if these are the best offers out there? And

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so I'm really clinging to the idea that they probably

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should have waited. But I think there's just the way

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that this the way that even if we remove the

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veil of they had all these other options. The way

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that they went about having little to no leverage makes

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me feel even worse about what they're gonna do, Like

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after this transaction, that's probably the best way to not

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show it.

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Speaker 2: That's fair, that's fair, I think for me, I just

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can't sit here and say are they better or not

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because I don't I don't think they're done. I don't

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think like, if they make this the primary move of

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the season, then there's really no other movement within the

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roster outside of making that.

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Speaker 1: Draft pick, maybe Duck getting the second Abril.

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Speaker 2: Doucking this saying if that, if like, if that's the case,

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oh boy, then we can talk about it. But I

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kind of consider that they're in the middle of trying

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to make a cake, not a good cake. We all

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know it's going to be pretty shitty. But like, I

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just I can't imagine that this current iteration is what

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they're looking for. That's also why in the piece that

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I wrote at Yahoo, I was like open to the

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idea of them pivoting off Jale Green because I wouldn't

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be surprised if that was the thing. Like NBA off seasons,

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as we know, can get very very weird and very quickly.

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Sometimes a situation just opens up and there you go.

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You can find it. Some team needs a shooting guard,

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they need someone with upside. Whoever, Boom, there's your guy,

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and they might be able to get something for him.

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I just thought they opened themselves up to potentially gaining

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more future flexibility than they could have had with the brand.

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That's and honestly, that's all I was expecting, really from

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from their point of view, because I did not think

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that Durrand would fetch like a wild hall.

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Speaker 1: No, I was with you on the hall the level

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of hall that he was going to fetch. I think

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what would signal to me that maybe they are going

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about this the right way? Is okay? Do they then

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turn around and trade? You know, we talked a lot

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about Jail and Green, like you probably get first round

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pick for Dylan Brooks at least, and so if we

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saw something like that, and I guess I'm also having

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trouble in visioning, Okay, what's the team that's gonna come

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and talk themselves in to Jalen Green, Like, what is

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the trade out there that would make sense for everyone

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involved in either position Phoenix to be more flexible, to

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get more draft equity, or just have someone who's a

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better fit for the roster. So I recognize that Brian

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Gregory and co. Are in an incredibly tough situation. I

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just don't think they made it any easier around themselves.

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And to this point, as you said, there's more offseason

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left to go, I don't have confidence that they're gonna

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make the right calls. And I think it's also a

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lot of the stuff you're laying out is predicated on Okay,

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Jalen Green having value or other players. When you're talking

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about other moves, Okay, can you get something for Royce O'Neil.

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You had Grace and Allen When I mentioned his name

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on one of our other podcasts the other day, you

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damn near fainted. So it's just I'm very curious to

474
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,519
see what other moves they are actually capable of pulling

475
00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:56,400
off with what's left in place, because this is why

476
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,359
it's so disheartening. Before we move on to the rockets,

477
00:22:58,759 --> 00:23:02,559
Kevin Durant, that was your last bullet of just like

478
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,279
this is gonna be the player, the vehicle through which

479
00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:09,079
that we are able to bring back assets and materially

480
00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:13,960
materially change our course, our direction. And I guess you

481
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,839
were always kind of consigned to, Oh, it's gonna be underwhelming.

482
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,440
This just somehow feel I really thought that they would

483
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,359
have gotten like I guess, I didn't think they were

484
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,599
gonna have to take back any deals I envisioned as

485
00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:26,240
being a net negative while only getting one first round pick.

486
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,200
I guess that's where I'm coming from me where it's

487
00:23:28,279 --> 00:23:31,559
because I view Jalen Greens as is it. Yes, he's young,

488
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,440
could he get better, Sure, But I don't view that

489
00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:37,160
contract at thirty plus million dollars a year and then also,

490
00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:39,559
by the way, with very little upside because if it

491
00:23:39,559 --> 00:23:41,359
all works out, guess what, he's gonna be a free

492
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,920
agent in two years anyway and just get more expensive.

493
00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:46,799
I guess that's what I'm struggling to wrap my head

494
00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:48,200
around here the most, And.

495
00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 2: That is totally fair. I actually looked at his contract

496
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,359
as being a positive in the sense that if he

497
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,640
didn't pan out, okay, you can actually get out of

498
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,400
it pretty soon right at the worst, that that's a

499
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:04,640
three year contract that maximized and presumably you can flip

500
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,519
him in here too or whatever. Like, He's not at

501
00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:13,279
a level financially speaking where I'm super against or very

502
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,640
hardcore think that he's like the most overpaid player in

503
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,759
the league. Like, yeah, is he overpaid for what he's

504
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:21,839
done so far? Yes, I do concede that, But the

505
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,880
cab is also climbing a fair bit. He's still young.

506
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,319
I do anticipate him getting better because if there's one

507
00:24:28,319 --> 00:24:30,200
thing I do think is true about him is that

508
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,880
he works freaking hard. He's been in a system that

509
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,880
doesn't really had had a lot of spacing, and where

510
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,759
offense has been more of an afterthought. It's always been

511
00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:42,759
like the defensive focus. I would just like to see

512
00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:46,440
him somewhere else because I do think there could be

513
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:50,559
something there. If there isn't, yeah, it's gonna suck pretty bad.

514
00:24:50,759 --> 00:24:54,200
But I just had no expectation of Phoenix solving damn

515
00:24:54,319 --> 00:24:58,680
or anything this summer. Anyway. I do honestly think that

516
00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:59,000
if the.

517
00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: Subsi of success, you hit it right, you hit it

518
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:02,680
out right on the head.

519
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,759
Speaker 2: But I do think overall, like the Suns feel inevitable

520
00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:09,680
in the sense that this is going to blow up

521
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,640
in their face, regardless of what they basically got back

522
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,920
for Durant. I think the big chips book, but like

523
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,079
they're not gonna flip him. He doesn't want to get

524
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:20,839
flipped like he wants to stay. They're like, oh yeah, cool,

525
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,759
you're You're the hard and soul of the team. Would

526
00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:25,680
want to keep you. But like he's the guy, Like

527
00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:28,880
he's the bullet you were referring to. Honestly, he's the

528
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,640
last bullet. It's just a bullet. They're not going to

529
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,079
pull the trigger on at any given point and until

530
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:40,000
they get smarter and realize that might be it. Yeah,

531
00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:41,400
Like the best thing you could do is what I

532
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,079
said before, Take a step back and cross your fingers,

533
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,680
close your eyes, and hope for the best.

534
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: I do think, I mean, maybe we should question question

535
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,720
Devin Booker's own decision making if he wants to He

536
00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:53,759
does clearly want to be in Phoenix, which I like,

537
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,119
partly admire, mostly admire and think is really cool. And

538
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,160
I'm sort of like, if you're looking around book like,

539
00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:02,319
what is the future here that you say?

540
00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 2: I will say. I will say this, having spent some

541
00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:09,480
time in Phoenix a couple of years ago, that's a

542
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,000
nice place. That's a really nice place. Like if you

543
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,440
just look at it from a geographical perspective and the

544
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,680
weather and like, oh, I I mean I understand that

545
00:26:20,759 --> 00:26:23,960
perspective if he's like, you know what if my focus

546
00:26:24,039 --> 00:26:27,839
is getting paid, and you know, I'll make Tmusa and

547
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,559
I can win gold medals here and there. I don't

548
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:32,079
need to win a championship. I can stay in this

549
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,920
gorgeous weather and in this city. Yeah, I look more powered.

550
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: To him on the rockets front. I think this is

551
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,440
just like, this is like a perfect trade for that. Like,

552
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,960
I don't know what I would quibble over. Okay, you

553
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,559
gave up the number ten pick, but you didn't have

554
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,400
room for the number ten pick in your rotation anyway,

555
00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:51,640
and it amounts to a three for one. But I

556
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,799
think what I would feel most done because Kevin Durant

557
00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:58,400
comes in replaces Yo, not everything Jalen Green does, just

558
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,000
because like he's going to be a little bit shift

559
00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:02,559
deer on the ball than Katie, especially with Katie getting

560
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,480
up there. But you got someone who's a more reliable

561
00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:08,880
scorer and he doesn't need to monopolize the ball. I

562
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,079
guess the I think the most uneasy aspect of this

563
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,200
would be, all right, you gave up Dylan Brooks, who

564
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,440
was a pretty important, like pretty big part of your team.

565
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,000
But then it's all right, well we just have Tari's

566
00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:20,960
in and Cam Whitmore and Am I mean Am and

567
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,319
Tom's and Eathen specifically, where it's like the defense won't

568
00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:24,640
suffer at all.

569
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, I'm so glad you just said Cam Whitmore.

570
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:33,200
I'm so high on that dude. And I think for them,

571
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,200
you know, I saw someone mention like, oh, who are

572
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:40,000
the rockets gonna started shooting guard? He's right there, guy

573
00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:42,799
like that. I don't even think the drop off from

574
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,880
Jalen Green to Cam Whitmore is is necessarily a negative,

575
00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:49,400
Like they just opening up minutes for him too. That's

576
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:53,319
a fantastic situation to be in. I presume that they're

577
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,440
going to decline the team option on Fred and then

578
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:58,319
sign him to a longer term deal at less money

579
00:27:58,319 --> 00:28:01,960
per year, So see what happens there. But if it's

580
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,359
Fred and it's with More and then it's the all

581
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,880
the whatever combination, I guess it's Thompson and kd at

582
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,359
the at the fours or at the forwards, and then

583
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,480
shan Gun at center. That's a pretty potent starting lineup.

584
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:23,480
And then you still have Tari and Reach Shepherd Jabbari. God,

585
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:26,839
there's just no downside to this trait for their perspective.

586
00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: No, there's either's there's legitimately none, it's yeah. They their

587
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,000
biggest problem was shooting and half court offense in general.

588
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,559
Kevin Ranches comes in and does if he if he

589
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:41,160
isn't the antacdote to all of that. He addresses a

590
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,519
lot of it, and I think my biggest question about

591
00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:45,240
their offense now, But this could also just be a

592
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:49,319
bet on the continued development of Aman Thompson of Alprin Shangoun.

593
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,440
My guy reads Shepherd like that's someone who like do

594
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:53,960
minutes open up for him a little bit, like you

595
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,720
don't have Jentleen Green there anymore, so like you're kind

596
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,400
of like you haven't necessarily increased your offensive depth with

597
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,519
this trade. You've gotten an upgrade and now it's well,

598
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:05,640
now we need to explore some of these other options.

599
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:09,400
So there it feels very close to zero risk. You

600
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,359
would have to bet that like Jalen Green's going to

601
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,920
turn into a perennial NBA player to kind of or

602
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:16,680
like number ten they the Sun's draft, like the next

603
00:29:16,759 --> 00:29:20,480
Giannis attend to Kumbo or somebody. But just giving the

604
00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:23,680
situation the rotation as it was doing three for one

605
00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:27,279
almost does Houston a service because it allows you. Okay,

606
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:28,920
now we need to see what we have in cam

607
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,960
with more more Read Shepherd. I do think you probably

608
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,160
could look at this team just because Kevin Ran is

609
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,160
not that type of playmaker. And that was sort of

610
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,480
an issue last year was do they still kind of

611
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,000
need that player or again that brings that And I'm

612
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,119
saying this with a straight face too, like is it

613
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,680
just Read Shepherd time? Like just with Jalen Green out

614
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,079
the door, you should be able to find more minutes

615
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:51,400
for Read Shepherd. And so you believe you invested a

616
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,359
number three picking him. If you believe him, maybe I'll

617
00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:55,440
have a strong summer league. If you believe in him.

618
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,039
This is someone who could play minutes for you. And

619
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:59,119
then it's all of a sudden, Okay, his job gets

620
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,720
a lot easier, the space better. You have the ultimate

621
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,000
safety valve and Kevin Durant on top of having Van

622
00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:07,920
Fleet another year of progression from Aman Thompson, Shangun, even

623
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,319
Jabari Smith Junior. And I think this is for all

624
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:14,759
the you know, faults and foibles or curiosities of KD.

625
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:19,839
He is one of the single most scalable superstars in

626
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,440
everyday history where you put him on a team and

627
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,640
even if the vibes are off, even if you feel

628
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,440
like they're not tapping into their full potential, it's just

629
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,119
going to work. And by the way, like his rim

630
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,720
protection numbers the past couple of years have been insane,

631
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:36,759
and so it's just like, did this team is okay?

632
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:39,599
Their perimeter defense maybe gets a little iffier without Dylan

633
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,319
Brooks there, but it's just they have so many different

634
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,680
fun lineup structures they can run out now, and just

635
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,480
most of their lineups are gonna be super huge, Like

636
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:54,519
if you're starting Shanggoon kd Aman Thompson, and then you

637
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,920
have what to choose from there, Is it gonna be

638
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,799
tar Esan, Is it gonna be Jabari Smith Junior? You

639
00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:01,799
have the Steven Adam lineups that can come in, Like

640
00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:04,160
playing two centers now even gets a lot more palatable

641
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,119
because of what KD can do on offense. There's just

642
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,240
so much more lineup flexibility with this team, and they're

643
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:12,519
you know, they kind of hovered around the fringes of

644
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:15,440
contention last year, but I think that in the immediate

645
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:18,160
there's probably a longer term discussion to be had, like

646
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:21,200
Durant pushes them to me, like very close, if not

647
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:24,160
inside the inner circle of title contenders for next season.

648
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: Pending availability. Yes, I agree, because I do think that's

649
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,440
a factor. And he's getting older, and when you're older

650
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,680
at least thirty six forty seven, and he's going to be,

651
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,960
there are going to be some durability questions that just

652
00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:43,200
pops up here and there. This isn't to talk the

653
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,400
trade down from their perspective. I still think, yeah, when

654
00:31:46,519 --> 00:31:49,319
this is what you relinquish, you pull the trigger immediately,

655
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:53,000
of course you do. But I do think we need

656
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:57,119
to like safeguard ourselves a little bit. You know how

657
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,400
outside of last season when he played seventy plus, how

658
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,039
many seventy plus seasons has he had since returning from

659
00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:06,799
the kill? His tier was that? Is that the one?

660
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: Did you even have a seventy plus season? Oh? Yeah,

661
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,480
he did in twenty three, twenty five. I mean he did,

662
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,039
to his credit, he did sixty two last year and

663
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:17,440
then had that ankle injury towards the end.

664
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,519
Speaker 2: So oh that's fair, that counts almost okay, But like

665
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,279
I just that's something like I'm just putting it in

666
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:26,000
the back of my mind a little bit and and

667
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:29,839
perhaps look with with Thompson there, with Easton there, with

668
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,559
Jabari there, perhaps the plan isn't to play him damn

669
00:32:33,559 --> 00:32:38,079
near forty seven minutes per game, like who knows perhaps

670
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,079
that this is the year where he plays like forty.

671
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,039
Speaker 1: That you know that is the other thing too, It's

672
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:45,079
just like the past two seasons. So thirty six and

673
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:47,400
a half minutes last year, the thirty seven point two

674
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:49,640
in the season before that, that's a lot of just

675
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,480
where for someone who admittedly like and this could be

676
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,160
also a concern for Houston to where it's just he's

677
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,200
not the same player when it comes to attacking with

678
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:01,880
the ball or if he has to face double teams.

679
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,720
And that's that's not an insult. He's going to be

680
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:05,880
thirty seven and is still probably one of he would

681
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,279
have made All NBA last year had he never gotten injured.

682
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:11,480
That's but you got a star, like kudos to the Rockets.

683
00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:13,720
It's like, yeah, I'm with you. The availability is certainly

684
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,759
a factor. And then I'm just is do you have

685
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:18,559
any questions about Okay, well, how high does he actually

686
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:21,400
elevate the ceiling on their half court offense? Given the

687
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,319
player he is now?

688
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:26,519
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I'm not I'm not particularly

689
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:29,480
worried about that aspect of what I'm more worried about

690
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,799
is what you actually outlined earlier. Where he goes people

691
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,599
tend to get bummed out. I wonder if there is

692
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,480
like a vibes thing or something that, Like, that's something

693
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:44,960
I question more so than oh, what's this effect going

694
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,839
to be on the half court situation? Like it's Kevin

695
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,119
freaking'd rent. He'll be fine, he can.

696
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:52,119
Speaker 1: Well be enough was more so not well, yeah, I.

697
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: Get that, but like given his age and given his output,

698
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:58,720
I mean, this dude can take every possible shot and

699
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:00,599
you'd feel like, oh, yeah, that's a good shot, right,

700
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,559
like pull up threes, spot up threes, snaking the pig roll,

701
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,440
and like getting into the HESSI like driving, getting to

702
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:12,119
the foule line, Like there's a single offensive area on

703
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:15,079
the floor where I'm like, no, KD, that's a bad shot.

704
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:17,119
So like I feel as though pretty safe in just

705
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,159
bringing him in there. It's the teammates around him, Like

706
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,800
can Shingoon become a better three point shooter? I think

707
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,480
it becomes even more crucial now, honestly.

708
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: Think that they should do you think they should trade

709
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,239
him and then draft Malwatch just to ensure that they

710
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,960
have that floor spacing element at the five.

711
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 2: You suck.

712
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: Sorry, I had to get that one in there.

713
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 2: You know what I'm gonna I'm gonna put a pin

714
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,960
in that because if my Lauch starts hitting like two

715
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,400
threes a game in a couple of years time, I

716
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,079
am going to come right back and just yell at

717
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:46,800
you for five points.

718
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: We need to have a conversation though, about what is

719
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,960
the volume threshold you need to hit to be considered

720
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,280
in actual like a floor spacing ad not as just

721
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,079
because what you're talking about is based at the position. Okay,

722
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:01,199
it's more valuable, but it's just basically cool. Josh Giddy

723
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,639
just went three to five from three for eight consecutive games.

724
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,280
Defenses don't care.

725
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 2: Right, No, I let's let's actually, oh but gotch this podcast,

726
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,840
But let's let's let's take it put discussion on that

727
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:14,960
at some point.

728
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:20,159
Speaker 1: Right, I do you the vibes thing. I totally agree

729
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:22,480
with the only, the only saving grace, But I think

730
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,760
you could argue, Okay, well then what really doesn't didn't

731
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,280
Golden State in theory have a really strong locker room

732
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,960
I just refuse to believe that any team with Steven

733
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,519
Adams on it can actually have a vibes killer because

734
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:35,840
he's just like the panacea to all that. And I

735
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,719
firmly believe they knew Kevin Durant was coming and that's

736
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,320
why he got his extension as quickly as he the

737
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,400
king of never hitting free agency, Steven Adams is also

738
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:48,280
the single most valuable player when it comes to integrating

739
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,960
Kevin Durant into the Rockets culture.

740
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 2: But to answer your question, no, I'm not really worried

741
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,599
about him in the half court. Like I do think

742
00:35:57,639 --> 00:35:59,480
there are a lot of young players on this team,

743
00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:02,719
and I I wouldn't hate if some are rerouted, Like

744
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,320
I know you're higher on Jabari Smith juniors than I am.

745
00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:09,159
Speaker 1: Well, we need to have that discussion, by the way,

746
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:11,639
because there's the I want to ask you about the

747
00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:15,559
Kevin Durant thing. But like Kevin Durant extension eligible, Jabari

748
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:18,840
Smith and Tari E. C Easan extension eligible, Cam Wittmore

749
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,039
and Amen Thompson are going to be coming up, like

750
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:24,159
what is you know you're mentioning move. I'm not saying

751
00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:25,840
they have to. I want to want to make this

752
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,960
clear Rock stands. They don't have to do anything. What

753
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,559
they could do is just roll into the season like

754
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:31,400
this and maybe win the fucking title. That's what could

755
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,039
actually happen. But like, this is something to put up.

756
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:36,559
It was something to put a pin in before you

757
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:39,920
had this. But Kevin Durant, if he signs the max,

758
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,159
so two years between one twenty two and one twenty

759
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:44,440
four million, depending on when he signs it, that's like

760
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,280
two Jalen Greens per year. It's close to it. It's

761
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,519
a little bit less than two Jalen Greens. I'm very

762
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:52,800
I think, and I do think the name you mentioned

763
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,480
was spot on. Jabari Smith kind of felt like, well,

764
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,320
look at what they did with Shang Gun and Adams.

765
00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:00,360
They have Aman Thompson. Eathan's a little bit more plug

766
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:00,760
and play.

767
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: It's like a lot more plug and play, if you

768
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,079
ask me, Yeah.

769
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: Fair offensively, definitely just more just more plug and play

770
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,199
because he doesn't need any on ball usage basically, so

771
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:11,599
you're right a.

772
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:15,039
Speaker 2: Long defensively, he just causes havoc. I I freaking.

773
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: I loved I think Jabari Smith Junior is probably an

774
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,559
underrated defender, But I can't argue with you but doesn't

775
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:24,800
Jabari Smith Junior kind of still feels like the odd

776
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,400
man out here. And that's not to say they need

777
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,079
to rush to move him. It's you could let him

778
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:33,320
hit restricted free agency, see what the market says. But yeah,

779
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,400
I'm just I like, I'm sorry. I'm reading a breaking

780
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,360
news tweet from Sham's Dallas Paris assistant Sean Sweeney has

781
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,639
agreed on a deal to become the associate head coach

782
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,800
of the Spurs. I was like, Yeah, the Spurs already

783
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,639
hired another head coach, so that's why I was distracted

784
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,320
during that little incoherent ramble. But yeah, I don't know

785
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,559
what to make of just I think you can go

786
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:57,719
into the season like this would be absolutely fine. I

787
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,960
just long term, I'm very curious to see who step

788
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,079
rates themselves from whom and who becomes the priority.

789
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:08,199
Speaker 2: It's a good question, what do you think right now

790
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,880
is their biggest position of weakness.

791
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: I still think that they need a floor general. Yeah,

792
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,119
so like a guard like a Kobe not even a

793
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:21,000
co I think, honestly, because you have to rank Kobe

794
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:23,239
White would be fine here and make that clear, but

795
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,159
I think you need more of like someone who's going

796
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,559
up against the set defense and has that pass first

797
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,559
mindset where that's not that.

798
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,639
Speaker 2: That salary fits almost like a tea.

799
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:37,079
Speaker 1: But is Kobe White that he's more of a score

800
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:39,760
first guard. I think they need someone who's going to

801
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,039
manage the game for everybody else a little bit better,

802
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,880
Maybe like a Josh Giddy. I'm just kidding, just kidding.

803
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, but like I wouldn't hate ex along

804
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:54,800
the trade market for Javari and like seeing what's out

805
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,480
there and just telling teams like we're looking for someone

806
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,119
to handle the ball, someone to make decisions.

807
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,639
Speaker 1: I have a name. I don't know if he's the

808
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:08,800
perfect one, but it would fit the ethos. Would this

809
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,599
Could this still be a Derek White team?

810
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting?

811
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,119
Speaker 1: Or is he not enough of a He's more of

812
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:18,199
a like connector passer. But I guess if you look

813
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,199
at it and say, well, you have Shangoon, you have

814
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:26,920
Fred van Fleet, right, maybe not giving up better Derek

815
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:34,079
White when it comes so the decision making, yes, But

816
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:36,000
if it's coming to you need to break down a

817
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:38,960
set defense. I don't know what to think of what

818
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:41,119
we've kind of already seen what Derek White might look

819
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:44,519
like outside the confines of Boston spacing. I think that's

820
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:46,519
a big element to Derek White's play making. But there's

821
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:48,880
also just in terms of just off the catch and

822
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,719
making like the quicker decisions. I'd trust him more. That's

823
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:52,920
why I said, I don't know if that would be

824
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,880
the right name. It would really be an interesting name.

825
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to because I would want someone who

826
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,559
can also like call their own number a little bit.

827
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: There's a Ti Jerome free agent.

828
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: Ty Jerome would be fun. I was actually thinking if

829
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,880
they could call up Memphis and Cole Anthony. But like

830
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:18,199
Cole Anthony, he's just he's too offensively not weird, but

831
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,719
like he's just he I actually think there's a good

832
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,559
player in there, but like it's only just half the

833
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:26,440
time where he plays the right way in a sense,

834
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:27,760
like he's just volatile.

835
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't think he's enough of just a table setter

836
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,679
for others. Right, Yeah, what about you mentioned how about

837
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:35,320
another Grizzly. What does it cost to get Scottie Pippen

838
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,519
Junior from Memphis?

839
00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 2: Oh that's nice. He's not a men deal of memory

840
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,639
serves right? Yeah?

841
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's like he has two years left at

842
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,920
like the cheapest rate possible.

843
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: I'm I'm betting they would ask a draft compensation.

844
00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: And hey, rumor has it that Houston has some.

845
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,039
Speaker 2: And that's that's not that's not a bad name. Actually

846
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,519
I like that. You know, we know he can stillitate.

847
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,039
Speaker 1: Oh he's got three years left on Holy I mean,

848
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:05,280
they'll probably do whoever has him. I'm assuming we'll do

849
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,119
the thing where you like, decline his team option and

850
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:10,320
he becomes to sport or No, is this not even

851
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,960
his first deal? I can't. Regardless, he's under contract for

852
00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:17,280
another three years, completely team control at like under seven

853
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,840
million dollars total. That's insane.

854
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: You know what, he's just pulling a dad because Scotty

855
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:25,880
went underpaid for the first what nine years of his

856
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:26,599
career as well.

857
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you know what, it doesn't this is not

858
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,840
his first that's right, because he spend time with the Lakers, remember, true. Yeah,

859
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,159
so you just have him completely under team control though,

860
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:38,800
for the next three years for like seven million bucks

861
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,079
maybe eight million bucks. I think you'd be okay. I'm

862
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:43,199
just trying to think of like any other names that

863
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,760
would be because I think that's probably what they need

864
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,320
and it doesn't need to be it doesn't need to

865
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,440
be on the level of Kobe White or LaMelo Ball

866
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:51,480
even a Derek White's Oh.

867
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: I have something, I have something. Maybe I don't know

868
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,800
if he's interested in the return to Houston. He's a

869
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:57,320
free agent.

870
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: Chris paul Ooh, and man, the way he played in

871
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,639
San Antonio last year is perfect where it's like he

872
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:06,400
dominated the ball when you needed him to, but he

873
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,079
shot it really well off the catch from three. Oh,

874
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:09,840
that's interesting.

875
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,119
Speaker 2: And I see so he and k D and James

876
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,719
Harden and Russell Westbrook have all like switched teams so

877
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,840
many times. I'm unsure, like Duran and CP have never

878
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:19,400
played together.

879
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,679
Speaker 1: Right, No, I don't think so.

880
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: Right, No, that's that's I would like to see.

881
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: That that you are.

882
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: Then sure if I had seen it before, but regardless,

883
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:29,679
I want to see it again.

884
00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: Then at that point, though, like your offense is all

885
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,039
of a sudden very beholden to these two ancients by NBA,

886
00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:38,719
by NBA standards, which would make me a little does

887
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:42,480
what about does does Malik Monk do enough for you

888
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:43,840
or not? No?

889
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,599
Speaker 2: I really really like Maligue Monk, and I think the

890
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,599
growth he saw as a playmaker over the past few

891
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:55,440
years has been tremendous, But I don't know if that's

892
00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:58,599
something that carries with him outside of that specific system

893
00:42:58,639 --> 00:42:59,360
an organization.

894
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: Uh, that's fair. I'm just like trying to think of

895
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,880
like low to mid end names here, like nothing too crazy.

896
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 2: They so Tias Jones played with KD last year in Phoenix.

897
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,079
Tias I think would kind of fit what we're talking about.

898
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,039
Speaker 1: At that point, I might be more interested. Yeah, as

899
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:20,679
a game manager for sure, him, Maybe even Trey Jones

900
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,960
if you don't care about the shooting limitations as much.

901
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 2: I mean, the Rockets didn't exactly have great floor spacing

902
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,360
last year. I know they got KD now, but I mean,

903
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:32,800
why go down on shooting like you always want someone

904
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:33,400
who can choose?

905
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 1: What about I mean you mentioned him and I sometimes

906
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,960
don't think he's enough of just like a playmaker. But

907
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,000
we saw him run a lot more picking rolls last year.

908
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,119
Iowed assume MoU, Yeah, I wouldn't hate that wouldn't be

909
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:44,519
a bad one.

910
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:49,679
Speaker 2: You can probably get both Cope and Io honestly, because

911
00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:51,920
there's a contract situation because we talked about it.

912
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: Then you just need all these guys getting paid soon.

913
00:43:56,519 --> 00:44:00,559
I mean, yeah, what about they because they do have enough.

914
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:02,320
I know you're gonna say that Boston's not gonna look

915
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,599
to trade him because he's so cheap, like Peyton Prichard.

916
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Boston's not gonna look to trade him, sir,

917
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:09,000
the right.

918
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: But I mean, if they're going through two gap years,

919
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,239
you have to at least listen. Listen on Jayleen Brown,

920
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,159
but not Peyton Pritchard. That's your lot, that's your lot.

921
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,199
Speaker 2: But like the guy is earning less than five percent

922
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,800
of the salary cap, right, like, like he's such a

923
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,800
good contract and they're not Like I only trade if

924
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,639
I'm Boston. I'm only trading Peyton Pritchard if I'm hitting

925
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,440
like the big red reset button. And I don't think

926
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:32,800
they are.

927
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: What about does he do enough? And I don't know

928
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,599
how much he costs in free agency? And then you

929
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:41,079
get hard captain assign and trade Malcolm Brogden, another guy

930
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:42,360
with injury concerns, though.

931
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: Con like in terms of who he is as a player. Yes, immediately, Yes.

932
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: I think I've decided it needs to be Scotti Pippen Jr.

933
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:51,519
I think he'd be.

934
00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:56,199
Speaker 2: I think that's a perfectly reasonable name. Yeah, Dad was

935
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:56,840
a rocket too.

936
00:44:58,599 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: The other I don't know if you have anything else

937
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,119
you want, I get too happy to talk about that.

938
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:03,239
The one other thing was I've kind of wondered though,

939
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,760
if Durant on his next team. I'm not saying he's

940
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,559
gonna accept like a two year, sixty million dollar deal

941
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:13,760
or something, but are we entirely convinced that, like, he's

942
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,119
not gonna go to the Rockets and sign a submax

943
00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:19,159
extension just to make things a little They'll still have

944
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:21,280
to make some decisions on guys who are extension eligible

945
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,440
and whether to keep them, but could make it more

946
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,760
manageable for them. As you're looking at the Shane Gun

947
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,239
deals now kicking in, You're gonna have the Kevin Durant deal.

948
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,639
What are you paying Fred van Fleet next year? You

949
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:32,519
have Aman Thompson's gonna be extended. You have two other

950
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:35,039
guys who are extend eligible right now. And when you

951
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:38,119
look at the way that he it wasn't specifically the

952
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:40,519
Rockets because he had he actually had four teams on

953
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:45,519
his list, but the Knicks said no reportedly, but like

954
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:47,880
he kind of ensured that they didn't have to give

955
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,039
up a ton to get him, And so it does

956
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:51,079
feel like he's kind of thinking with the foresight in

957
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:53,559
mind of I still want to be somewhere that has

958
00:45:53,679 --> 00:45:56,599
enough around me because I just spent the past couple,

959
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,360
like the past couple of years in Phoenix, on a

960
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,760
team that did not have enough around me because they

961
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,119
gave up so much to get me.

962
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: I mean, look, we have to be honest here, has

963
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,960
he earned enough throughout his career? We're only coming off

964
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,840
on half a billion in NBA contracts.

965
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: He's made half a billion in NBA contracts.

966
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: Four hundred and forty seven point eight million. We're coming

967
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,719
out on half a billion dollars. So you know what.

968
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,920
And our common mutual friend here, Brianza Pork has made

969
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,400
this point for years where he's basically said, at some

970
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:34,760
point the money just becomes so vast and so aggressive

971
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,639
in sheer volume that eventually you're going to see some

972
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,840
guy say, look, sixty or forty million or sixty million.

973
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,000
I don't give a flying fuck because I'm sitting there

974
00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:49,719
with six hundred million in my back for the career.

975
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:54,599
Like or perhaps we're all wrong and he's like, give

976
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:57,199
me all the bread possible.

977
00:46:57,559 --> 00:47:00,559
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's something like, is he does he get

978
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:02,360
like the max in the first year, and then it's

979
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,320
like what it can drop by what forty year over year?

980
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,559
Is that the mac What is it now in the

981
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:07,719
new CBA like mac.

982
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,559
Speaker 2: Sh don't know the answer to that, but it can't

983
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:11,159
drop a substantial amount.

984
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: Yes, so maybe it's something like that. But my prediction

985
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,360
would be the only reason I'm saying is I think

986
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,480
he ends up signing less than a MAX extension. I

987
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:18,920
think that's what ends up happening here.

988
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 2: That'd be nice, though, I mean I always think that's

989
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,960
a good sign for older players to like make it

990
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:27,320
a little bit easier on their teams, because, like we've

991
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,000
talked about before, you know, the Dame contracts, the old

992
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:36,400
man contracts, they're just so so rough on teams, especially

993
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,360
when now that the aprins have been introduced. If KT

994
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:43,480
came to the Rockets and said, look, let's just let's

995
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,679
just get this extension over with, I'm willing to take

996
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:49,280
I don't know, the fun Max, something along those lines,

997
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,800
that's that's how you do it, and that.

998
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: Would I think that? Would you think he's gonna get

999
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:56,880
the max?

1000
00:47:57,199 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 2: I I don't think he'll say the fun max.

1001
00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, well the fun max would be what

1002
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,119
would that end up being So if I said, do

1003
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:07,639
you think he's gonna get over fifty as an average

1004
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:11,039
annual value, yeah, my bold prediction would be that he

1005
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:13,880
gets fifty one or lower, just to give myself a

1006
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,960
little wiggle room over fifty. But you're right, it's like

1007
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,239
if he just went and yet two years and one

1008
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,199
hundred and this is not like all the money he

1009
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,039
made off the court. But I look, it's a free market.

1010
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:23,599
The players should make is well, I guess it's not

1011
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:25,440
a free market because the salary cap. But like, if

1012
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,039
they're gonna give him the max, he should absolutely do it.

1013
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:30,360
But if you're Houston, like, by the way, if he

1014
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,840
decided this is also a price your Okpenn Because we

1015
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,639
know how Kevin Durant seems to like like grade on

1016
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:37,800
the people or on his teams or he gets tired

1017
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,239
of them. This is like kind of an opportunity cost

1018
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,159
that if he did leave after a season, you're like,

1019
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:44,039
all right, well we tried. It was not the end

1020
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:44,480
of the world.

1021
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you didn't. Here's the thing. You can

1022
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,800
make a realistic case that even if things just blow

1023
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,719
up mid season and he only spends half a year,

1024
00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:58,119
you're looking at what you relinquished and you went worth

1025
00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:01,880
a gamble, that's fine. I mean, yeah, Okay, the tenth

1026
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,400
pick that's gonna sting a little bit, especially if it's

1027
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,920
Colin Maury Boyce because I fucking love that dude. But

1028
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,360
outside of that, yeah, there's no downside to this.

1029
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: I think the highest praise I could give it from

1030
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,480
my end is I always expected that if Houston or

1031
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:21,679
another team traded for Kevin Durant, I would like it

1032
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:24,119
for that team based off what they had to give up.

1033
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:28,559
I liked it even more than I expected from Houston's

1034
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:31,239
perspective than I would have predicted. I would have assumed

1035
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:33,880
there was either more first round picks in there, or

1036
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,000
I honestly thought, just because he's not that he's superfluous,

1037
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:38,960
but that we've talked about him now, they might have

1038
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,360
to make a decision on him. I thought it would

1039
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,719
be like Jabari Smith junior number ten and salary, and

1040
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,440
because you know how I feel about Jabari, that would

1041
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:46,960
have just given me. I still would have been okay

1042
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,000
with it, I think for Houston. But they didn't even

1043
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:50,480
have to do that. And you get off of what

1044
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:52,800
I think was Even if you don't think Jalen Green's

1045
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,039
a bad contract. He was clearly, of all the contracts

1046
00:49:56,039 --> 00:49:58,119
on the books, the worst contract for Houston. So you

1047
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,159
got off the toughest to move of that and just

1048
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:05,039
man to get back to the basketball like Durant and Shngoon,

1049
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:06,920
the stuff you could do with that, Durant and I'm

1050
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,800
and Thompson, the interplay between those two, and I'm gonna

1051
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,039
I'm calling the prediction now too. I firmly believe that

1052
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:13,719
this trade is gonna end up unless they go out

1053
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,719
and make another move. I think this opens up the

1054
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,920
runway for Rechepherd to do some damage next year.

1055
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:20,639
Speaker 2: I have a feeling you didn't on that one.

1056
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have anything else on this trade?

1057
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: No? I think we're good.

1058
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,639
Speaker 1: Can you tell everyone where they can find you and

1059
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:28,239
all the fantastic work that you do.

1060
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you can find me over at Yahoo Sports, over

1061
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,079
at Forbes, and I have a podcast called the MP

1062
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:36,360
podcast that you might be listening to right now, depending

1063
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,239
on which you're listening to and inplications Danish.

1064
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,159
Speaker 1: You can baring you ching out in the question until

1065
00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:44,440
next time and as always with you to do with

1066
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,000
the shout out for the one, the only, the future

1067
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,920
Championship winning floor General of the Houston Rockets, mister Frank

1068
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:53,119
pelo kea