Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and
I guess where I am. I'm down in Washington, d C.
Pretty excited tomorrow going to be at the second UAP hearing.
Hopefully I'll get in the door. It's a little chillier
than it was back in July twenty sixth, twenty twenty three.
So Randall Nickerson, who I had dinner with tonight and
we came from the airport together, is actually staying overnight
there at the door to make sure that you know,
he gets in early. I'm going to go there probably
three or four o'clock in the morning myself to make
sure I get in This time. It seems like there's
a lot more people interested in getting there early. And
maybe I said it too many times that I got
there real early just to get in the door last
time because it's limited seating, only thirty seats or so. Anyway,
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So we're on our website and I'm excited to talk
first with Kevin Wright. He's with the Advicts Advocacy group
here right outside the city in Washington. And after that,
I have a wonderfull guest who I've known for a
long time, but I am going to be talking to
for the first time on this show, Lard Scranton. He's
going to be talking about ancient UFO symbology and a
lot more. But for right now, I'd like to bring
in our guest, Kevin and talk about tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Kevin, welcome, Thank you, Martin, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: Yes, you were on.
Speaker 1: I think you were on shortly after we met last year.
I mean yeah, on the last year ago July.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right. That's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's happened. I'm excited about tomorrow and there's something
going on. I'm going to attend right after that too.
But first of all, I know the lineup, but I
don't have them right here in front of me.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I know who's going to be there, but Anyway, let's
talk about the guests as we know them as right now.
I know it is Tim Galadad who's been on the show,
and in Loue Alzondo of course has been on the show.
Speaker 2: And two more.
Speaker 1: We've got Schoenberger. What's the who's the third one from NASA?
Mark Gold fourth one, Yeah, Mark Old.
Speaker 2: So he's you know, he's been with NASA.
Speaker 4: He was also with you know, some of the other
projects going on with Bigelow and stuff. So, uh, it's
hard to tell exactly what he's going to uh, you know,
reveal or talk about his you know, this submitted statement
that he's given to Congress, you know, has some inkling
of suggestion of what he might be talked about, which
is you know more you know, scientific study and funding
for you know, the study of you know u a
p possibly through NASA or maybe a public private uh
you know, uh enterprise or something like that.
Speaker 2: So we walk away and see exactly what he's going
to testify to.
Speaker 1: I also saw, I believe, as a representative, Nancy Mace
was plugging this thing happening tomorrow, like she's really excited
to talk about this, I thought. She asked along with
a lot of other people, you know, and this is
a bypartisan I have to I have to say this
because there's there is so much thermal well in this
country about politics. You know, this is a bipartisan issue,
and that's what I think is wonderful. It's like you
see AOC right in the same room talking nicely with
Matt Gates, you know, which is kind of unheard of
anywhere else about any other topic that we that goes
on in Washington. So you know, this will be exciting
to see again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's one of the very few, if not
one of the only, issues where there seems to be
common ground between both parties, between the Democrats and the Republicans.
Like you said, you know, the fact that you could
have Alexandria Cols of Cortes and Matt Gates, you know,
in the same hearing and you know, not throwing you know,
verbal jabs at one another or something. But I think
there's obviously a lot of common cause here that cuts
across party lines, which is the fact that you know,
it's about government transparency, it's about corruption, it's about constitutional
checks and balances between in this particular case, between the
legislative and the executive where you know, all the evidence
points to the fact that there are agencies and departments
of the executive branch that have been hiding uh, you know,
information and data as it relates to non human intelligence
and crash from free val reverse engineering programs. It's not
just been hidden from the public, but it's also been
hidden from Congress, which sets up, you know, essentially a
constitutional crisis that's going to have to be rectified by Congress,
and it's going to take probably you know, some work
by the executive branch too, in some sort of you know,
partnership and trying to find a solution to this answer,
because you know, it's essentially a catch twenty two that
the government finds itself in where you know, they have
you know, been lying to the public and to Congress.
They've been you know, spoon feeding the public misinformation and disinformation,
and you know, at some point you have to ask
yourself out, how do you get out of, you know,
this conundrum that they've built for themselves, and it's just
going to boil down to the fact they're just going
to have to come clean.
Speaker 1: When I was flying here today, I was listening to
Need to Know podcasts with Rose Cross, Coultharten, Bryce Able
and you know, they they they made a good point.
They're saying, you know that several presidents along the way
have you know, tried to get the information actually outright
asked if there's you know, did Roswell really happen like
Jimmy Carter did not Jimmy Carter. Bill Clinton asked that
question directly.
Speaker 2: I want to know.
Speaker 1: And I remember when I had Chris Mellan on my
show back in twenty fifteen or sixteen, whenever it was,
you know, I asked him a question because he was
in that you know, in where he would know what
a president has to be told. And he said that
if they know and the president directly asks, then they
will have to answer them. The problem is, though, he said,
what if these things are in private entities without congressional oversight,
then everything's compartmentalized and no one needs to know, you know,
anything other than.
Speaker 2: What they need to know.
Speaker 1: So I think that's I think that is, you know,
that is.
Speaker 2: What is probably going on.
Speaker 1: Otherwise, Uh, you know, Bill Clinton would have known back
when he asked.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean there's a lot to unpack there
because if you read what you know, Michael Schellenberger has
provided to Congress and what he has you know, written
on public and other things, it seems that there is
an indication that, you know, the particular program that he's referencing,
which is imaculate const constellation, that you know, it might
be an actual, uh you know, unacknowledged specializics program that's
actually run by the White House. You know, I don't
know if that's true or not, or what the case
may be, but if that's true, then it, you know,
certainly brings up additional questions that need to be asked
about except what's.
Speaker 2: Going on there.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm sort of questioning that because it just
doesn't seem a jibe with a lot of other things
that people have said about, you know, how these things
are being run.
Speaker 2: But I think you're right.
Speaker 4: In terms of, uh, you know, some of these programs
being run out of private, private enterprise enterprise with you know,
defense contractors and that sort of thing. But you know,
what it really boils down to is the fact that
you know, like I wrote a column for roswel Daily
Record that came out this past Sunday sort of making
the case about how Trump could you know, sort of
tackle this issue if he's serious about, you know, rooting
out some of the corruption and various things and what
he calls the deep state. Uh.
Speaker 2: And the perfect way to.
Speaker 4: Do that would be to tackle the UAP issue because
it cuts across so many different mechanisms and power structures
of government. And what he could actually do is, you know,
essentially invite Congress to investigate the executive branche. Well at
the same time, he could you know, implement parts of
the UAP Disclosure Act by executive authority or executive order
and sort of work together. We would also sort of
extended to alive branch between you know, his executive branch
and the legislative branch and sort of work together to
root out this corruption. Uh. You know these hidden power
structures you know that are existing, that are are thwarting
you know, you know, regardless of whether it's a Democrat
or Republican president, it's sort of thwarting their agendas because
if you know, Jimmy Carter or you know, Bill Clinton
or whoever else has asked questions have been denied access
to these programs, then we have a serious constitutional crisis,
not just between the executive branch and the and the
legislative branch, but also within the executive branch itself. So
you know, it's going to take a lot of work,
I think between you know, having these hearings, but we're.
Speaker 2: Also going to have to do, you know, some pass
some legislation.
Speaker 4: We might need a select committee, we might need you know,
executive orders, executive authorities, something along those lines. But you know,
the hearings are great. It's going to move continue to
propel the situation forward and public discourse and inform members
of Congress and their staff. But it's certainly, you know,
not the end, but it's but it's certainly a good beginning, right.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Kevin.
Speaker 1: I know you have to go, and I really appreciate
your time, and we'll see you tomorrow. I can't wait
to see you again. And well I'm sure we'll be
standing in liner. And then afterwards there's something going in
a park right nearby. I'm going to be over there
too as well, and they'll see you.
Speaker 4: That's right, an event, yeah, quickly about that, yeah, yeah,
So thirty minutes after the hearing ends, we're gonna give
people time to you know, mingle and mix about and whatnot.
But then you know, people can essentially walk out the
door and walk down the street South Capitol Street and
there's a park right nearby, and we're gonna have an
event that's gonna be hosted by New Paradigm Institute and
move on together to talk about the hearing and talk
about steps forward Ladisloga process, you know, getting people involved,
uh you know, in civic civic education and action.
Speaker 2: And we're gonna have some guest speakers.
Speaker 4: Well obviously we'll have uh Dany Shean from np I,
We'll have Ron James and McDonald FROMENT move on. We're
going to have you know, other guest speakers. Julian Mossbridge
is going to speak and you know other people. It
will be an opportunity for you know, the press and
the public to you know, engage with you know, these
two sort of leading organizations who have been working on
your disclosure for a long time. It should be a
great event and we encourage people to show up.
Speaker 1: Excellent. Well, thank you so much. It's been a real
pleasure and we'll see you tomorrow. Great Martin, thank you
so much for having me. You bet all right, take care,
all right, So just to let everyone know, you know,
tomorrow I'm going to be I'm going to be capturing
the screen hope the stream that is hopefully right there
at the event, So please keep an eye on our
YouTube channel. There's going to be I'm going to probably
do a lot of shorts live hopefully if I can,
right from the hearing itself. And so again real excited
about that, and I'll try to get a lot of
footage like I.
Speaker 2: Did last time.
Speaker 1: If any of you watched the any of the programs,
the documentaries or anything else on last year's hearing where
it shows you know, David Grush, David Fraver, and Ryan
Graves in the back you see a cell phone sticking
up and I've seen it everywhere. It's all over the world,
and that's my camera, that's my phone. I'm going to
try to not be so obvious this time if I
do some filming. But anyway, it's time to bring in
our guest tonight, Lared. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks, thanks very much. I appreciate you inviting me on. Yes,
it was.
Speaker 1: Nice to finally meet you at the Exeter conference this
year after all these years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great event. That was really impressed. Yeah,
I was fortunate to be able to travel with Peter Robbins,
who's a longtime friend of mine and he's instrumental in conference.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's right. Yeah, he has been for years. Yeah,
And that's Righted, that's in my neighborhood. That's you know,
that's you know, ten to fifteen minutes away from where
I live.
Speaker 3: So that's terrific, That's rific. I love how the whole
community turns out for that.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, it was wonderful, wonderful. So I really
liked your talk. I really enjoyed your talk. You know,
some of the talks I kind of listened to, but
yours really grabbed me all the way through. And I
just because there's so many puzzles and the one of
like the you know, I mean, I know you can
talk about a lot of different things, but you know,
in particular, when you were talking about the symbology, the
ancient you know, symbols, it's just fascinating to me. And
so I have to ask you in the beginning, what
made you decide to look into that particular topic.
Speaker 3: Well, actually, I was introduced to in the late nineteen
nineties to an African tribe priestly African tribe called the
dough Who from Mali in the northwest of Africa. By
my wife. She presents she had read a book called
Unexplained by Jerome Clark, and one of the chapters in
that book talks about how this tribe knows some things
they really ought not to know about science, about astronomy,
given that they don't have access to any technology. So
I thought, wow, wherever that goes is going to be interesting. Well,
as it turns out, the tribe is an excellent entry
point to a comparative study of ancient symbolic traditions because
the tribe has societal connections to three different major groups.
They have civic practices that are like ancient Egypt, they
have rituals like ancient Judaism, and they have a cosmology
like Buddhism. And so they also have a societal imperative
to preserve original forms. So the Dogan language and the
Dogan cosmological drawings and their esoteritory are all sort of
key entry points into how to understand this tradition.
Speaker 1: Very interesting. Yeah, I've seen artifacts, you know, in the
appraisals that I do the dogon you know, Uh, carvings
and things like that. You know, So but this is
you know, but fascinating. You know, you can get back
to these ancient drawings, you know, I think you covered
a whole bunch of things like that, the ancient you know,
cave cave paintings, things like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the symbols go way back, and they're everywhere. These
are Young's archetype symbols. So they're found everywhere.
Speaker 1: Right everywhere. And that's that's curious alone, that they're you know,
all over the world. It's not just you know, in
a given area, and you know, similar things which kind
of point to like either people had the same imagination
or they were seeing something.
Speaker 3: Well. Actually, the the sort of consensus perspective of the
ancient traditions I work with is that in ancient times
there was deliberate instruction conducted by a group of non
humans who thoroughly understood the science of how energy works.
And this group formulated a civilizing plan for humanity that
was very closely tagged to the symbolic cosmology that explains
how the energy works. And so all of these different
cultures benefited from a single course of study, you can say.
And there are certain symbolic elements that are signatures of
that course of study. It'd be as if you and
I met each other at a math at a say,
a cocktail party, didn't know each other, but realized we
both had had the same math teacher in high school
in different years, and we both were familiar with all
the same little formulas, little tricks and little story problems
and so forth. We'd have those things in common because
we'd ever spoken before, but because we had had shared
the same teacher.
Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know, I say on the show a number
of times that I feel that we don't give the
ancients enough credit for having, you know, the brain power
that they had, you know, I mean, uh, And that's
part of the answer to a lot of these things,
of course, when it comes to maybe somethinghow something was
engineered that we can't fathom, you know.
Speaker 2: For instance. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, I was mentioning earlier that I listened to
to Bryce Zabel and Ross Coltheart on their podcast. I
was just listening in the way down here, and they're
basically Ross is on his way to Egypt. And I
know that my good friend Chris Lito, who was here
in Washington with us last time he's actually going to
be with him, and they're they're doing some type of
research or some type of guided tour through some areas
where their artifacts were found. Who's talking about these granite
vessels that were so precise that had to be like,
I don't know, fifteen thousand years old or something, that.
Speaker 3: These are at the well before you know, very very
very early times dynastically in Egypt. My friend John Anthony
westn egyptologist, and I examined some of those vases together
in museum presentation and it's just remarkable. There's there's no
consensus outlook on how they could have carved that hard
of stone in such a precision way, carved out the
inside of these vases.
Speaker 2: It seems impossible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems impossible.
Speaker 1: I mean even today, I mean when I see you know,
I mean I've seen some things and it just makes
me wonder how they do it today?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Right, and today they have a really high pressure water
that can cut stone and marble like butter, you know,
I mean, that's a whole different a whole different thing.
But I mean for them to get in to do
the interior, it doesn't even make any sense. But anyway,
somehow that happened and was done, you know, and somehow
they had the technology to do that back then. And
I can't imagine that it would be done by hand
for so, you know, I mean granted or whatever it is.
The stone is so tough to actually, you know, it'd
be like a lifelong for one person, a whole entire
life to work on something they couldn't even get that far.
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't know right well, I mean a lot of
times what looks nearly impossible to us, or we have
a different time explaining how a certain process was brought about.
Like I remember reading back in the nineteen nineties conjecture
about how did they manage to align the Great Pyramid
so nearly perfectly to the cardinal points? And there's both
speculation about oh, they were citing on particular stars and
so forth. As it turns out, there's a very simple
geometric process to accomplish those alignments. That is actually the
first exercise taught to a Buddhist initiate when they first
joined up. They're required to memorize it, and it's not
hard to do at all if you know what you're doing.
So a lot of times what looks exotic technologically boils
down to something that is actually just an intelligent you
might want to say, parlor drig.
Speaker 1: About that, and so what are some of the more
interesting sites and things that you have researched.
Speaker 3: Okay, I've written a series of fifteen books on comparative
cosmology and language. Basically, I've tried to move geographically from
Africa to Egypt, to India, Tibet, and China, a leap
across to northern Scotland because believe it or not, their
connections to Scotland, and then around twenty six hundred BC
outward from Scotland southward and westward. I've written about Polynesia.
I've written a book that tracks how the symbolic tradition
made its way from the Near East to Scotland through
the Mediterranean, with connections to ancient Crete and to ancient
Greece and places like that. All really interesting stuff and
there's far far more aspects of it that are intriguing
to write about then I'll ever actually get to. You
wouldn't think that that this connects to the study of UFOs,
but in fact it does. You start to see it
when you get into more complicated UFO cases like the
Linda Cortil case in the cosmology, I'll try to explain
this talking about processes of creation, and when they say that,
they're really referring to four things at once. It's referring
to how the universe forms, how matterforms, how biological life
comes about, and how consciousness comes about. And for the
Dogan priests, they say that those four processes are parallel processes.
They all arise from the same dynamics of energy, and
so to underscore that idea, they developed or they're preserving
a system of symbols, a single progression of symbols that
simultaneously apply to all four of those themes. So every
symbol along that continuum has meaning for each of those
four themes. That's one of the reasons why the symbolism
gets complicated is because if we're talking about, say the
shape of a hemisphere, if the discussion is about how matterforms,
that's hemisphere represents the expansion of men. If we're talking
about biological reproduction, the shape of the hemisphere represents the
expanding womb of the woman. These are parallel stages in
the processes, and the meetings are very closely related. But
consequently every symbol, and every important word carries not just
a single meaning, but a cluster of meetings. And when
we start getting into UFO cases, we discover that those
cases play out in terms of those clusters of meetings.
For example, if we compare what I've read thousands of
cases with witnesses of UFO related events, what they describe
seeing and feeling, what they describe as actions that are
happening around them relate directly to attributes to the things
that are happening around them, and all of those that
cluster of things all play out in terms of common
phonetics in the Egyptian hieroglyphic language or in some of
the other ancient languages. So, for example, a person describes
UFO as rising up and they report it being a
particular color. Then they describe it as moving away, and
now suddenly it's a different color. Those concepts of rising
up and of moving away are associated in the Egyptian
hieroglyphic language of the same colors that the witness is reporting,
and I have dozens and dozens of situations where that's true.
We have a famous UFO case where a woman steps
out onto her front porch and she sees three gray
aliens who are not aware that she's there at first.
When they become aware of her, they turn to leave.
But when they do that, she doesn't see three gray
aliens leave. She sees three deer leave. Well. In the
Egyptian hieroglyphic language, the word that means to depart in
haste also means dear. So there's a as if there's
a kind of telepathic translation going on that what the
non humans or the humans are seeing or feeling or
or or interpreting is being transmitted to the other participant
only in a translated way, so that it's the same concept.
But it plays out in terms of these clusters.
Speaker 2: Very interesting. Do you think that so?
Speaker 1: Do you think I'm just this is just an opinion.
Do you think that there can be knowledge gained in
any steps, you know, moving forward into discovering what these
things might possibly be by kind of back engineering what
you are looking into.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'll try to explain to you how that how
that is okay. Anybody who's familiar with creational energy concepts,
you know, quantum physics, atomic physics, they realize that the
terminology that the scientists use to explain what's going on
with energy. Repeatedly, you adopt words that really pertain to water.
You know, electricity flows, monopoles of energy, condense energy from
a bad black hole, evaporates. These are water terms. The
Dogan are telling us that water is actually an objective
pattern for what happens with energy, and if we want
to know what's going on with energy, we ought to
pay attention to what happens to water. So one of
the things that happens with water is that in very
deep parts of the ocean, water self differentiates into biological zones.
The kind of plant life and animal life that prefers
to live on the bottom the floor of the ocean
in very deep ocean area, it can be very different
from the kind that lives very close to the surface,
and there are zones in between, each with its own
unique set of life forms and set of circumstances, depending
on what conditions do they like, how much sunlight do
they need, and what temperature water do they like, and
what water pressure do they prefer, things like that. So
the Dogan are telling us that energy does the same thing.
That as energy spins, it self differentiates into fourteen domains,
and those domains, Okay, Einstein tells us that as energy spins,
the pace of time slows down momentum. Angular momentum is
associated with the formation of mass and with the slowing
of the pace of time. If we look at a
diagram of the nectromagnetic spectrum, we notice that scientists divide
it into fourteen domains, and those domains are differentiated based
on the frequency of the energy, which plays out in
factors of ten. The Dogan say and the Egyptians say
tell us that these energetic domains also play out in
factors of ten at the pace of time. So now
the Egyptians actually give us some insight into what those
domains are like. Those domains coincide with what Hinduism calls
states of energy or levels of im sorry states of consciousness,
levels of consciousness. In fact, by doing the comparative studies,
we can actually derive proper names for certain levels of
consciousness in those domains. So the ancient Egyptian symbol that
represents the domain that sits next to ours from from
the ancient perspective, our domain of energy sits ten steps
up from the bottom of those fourteen domains. So the
domain that is immediately adjacent to ours is defined by
an Egyptian glyph that represents the concept of a gateway,
and the idea is that crossover between the domains is
possible under certain conditions. You know, if we hop in
a submarine and travel into the very deepest part of
the ocean where the pressure is very very great, if
we don't, if our submarine doesn't collapse on us, we
can safely move into the water. By using an air lock.
We can equalize the pressure inside our submarine with the
pressure outside, and once those pressures are equalized, it's safe
to move from one to the other. Well, the continuum
of energy works the same way that towards the middle
of the cycle of the continuum of energy, you have
domains where the timeframes are similar, and at that point
it's theoretically possible for a living intelligence to move from
one of those domains into another domain.
Speaker 1: Very interesting. You know, someone made a point here, whereas
it's a I'm just looking for it, Oh yeah, you know,
I mean, it's just a point where you know, the
human body is made up of something like sixty percent
of water. You know, you know, I don't know how
that ties in with any of it, but still, you know,
that's that's interesting that so many things are based on
you know, water, is is really something?
Speaker 3: Right? Really?
Speaker 2: Go ahead?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, a human cell is actually a good concept
to think about in terms of trying to understand how
the energies work because in a human biological cell. Okay,
both the scientists and the and the ancients are talking
about energy being in these domains, being superimposed or superposed
with them with itself. In other words, we have things
that different timeframes occurring simultaneously with each other that all
contribute to the life of the overall the broader domain.
You can think of imagine a jazz combo where every
player in the combo has complete freedom to play whatever
they want to as long as it's in harmony with whatever.
The theme of the overall piece is that the groups
play well. That's the way that time and energy are
represented to function. That there are two dynamics of time
being described. One that is linear, which is what we
typically experience. But pretty much everyone I know at some
point in their life has had a strong sense that
are to certain circumstances, events happen simultaneously, they don't have
happens sequentially, or sometimes even that some people perceive events
before they happen sequentially. Well, from the ancient perspective, that's
that's possible because you have two modes of energy, two
oscillations of energy that are operating. One is an ultra
quick quick oscillation that operates at very nearly the speed
of light from our perspective of all events hacker at
once if we're looking at it into in terms of
that energy. But we have another oscillation of energy that
happens at about two percent of the speed of light,
and that's where that occurs linearly, and that's where sort
of the events are sequenced. I'm a software guy, so
I understand the idea of a data file where the
data just goes in however it arrives, and you use
indexes to put that data into sequence, and then when
you're processing it, you pick the right index and you
process in the correct sequence that you want. That seems
to be the way these two modes of time work.
That the first mode is just like a CD. It's
an amalgamation of a bunch of things that are are
discreete but not in any particular sequence. Necessarily, cassette tape
is sequential. If you want to get to the third song,
on a cassette tape, you have to fast forward to it.
If you want to get to the third song. On
a CD, you can just skip directly to the third song.
Speaker 2: Hm hm. Interesting.
Speaker 1: Well, you know a lot of times people have, you know,
theorized that the way UFOs travel, you know, kind of
taking a little side step here, but is through time manipulation.
And I just wondered if you ever considered, you know,
that any of that.
Speaker 3: Yes, that these domains are the key to that as
a possibility, because we don't have the ability to shift
between those time differentiated domains. These are not dimensions. These
are more, as I said, akin to the biological zones
in water. If we're talking about domains of water, we
have the domain of water of the sea is comparable
to what we think of as a dimension, and the
domain of air is comparable to another dimension. But within
the water we have self differentiated zones that are not
dimensions as such. They're more like the stages of vibrations
of energy in the electromagnetic spectrum. In a biological cell,
we have reactions that occur at all sorts of different paces,
and the components within a biological cell can only interact
with other components that vibrate at the same pace they do,
and when they interact, they produce a byproduct that then
biprate vibrates at a slower pace than they did, and
that new byproduct can only interact with other components that
vibrate at its pace, And so you have the sort
of natural sequel and seeing of chemical reactions that have
to happen in a particular order because the vibrations of
the energy are are dictating that m HM, and those
are all simultaneous, they're super opposed with each other, that
they're all going on simultaneously within a cell. But you
can conceptualize the ones that vibrate at the same pace
as existing in the different domain than the ones at
a different pace.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Now another little shift here, just asking you. Have you
personally ever observed what you would consider a UFO.
Speaker 3: No, I haven't had any direct experience myself with the UFO,
but I've had as as any researcher in my field
of study has had. I've had any number of, how
can we say, synchronous experiences things. The first, I'd say
that the first thing that a person in my field
of study learns is that there are things going on
in the world that we can't immediately explained. Some of
them are very objective in that they've been witnessed by
other people and could be attested to by people I know.
Others are very subtle. Cabalism defines many different categories of
mystics based on how the people in these categories are
able to interact with energetic influences. You know, a medical
psychic can interact with energetic information in ways that allow
them sort of to intuitively sort out what a medical
issue is for a person. There are all sorts of
different ways that people connect to this stuff. I'm part
of a pretty broad community of people who are connected
in various ways, and we have interactions back and forth
all the time. One of the things that happens I
told you how the symbolism I study relates directly to
UFO cases that happen. It also relates directly to vivid
dreams that people have. So quite often a person will
send me a long description of what their vivid dream
was and what they remember about it, What were the
key events of the dream, and who are the characters
in it, and what was said and what actions did
they take and what images did they see what colors
were involved? Things like that. I'll sort through that description
of their dream and discover that all of the key
elements of a given dream play out in terms of
a single phonetic of these ancient languages I work with,
and very typically there's one or more other phonetic values
related to that same cluster of things that isn't represented
in the dream. But we can see when we take
the dream in its entirety, that that they described the
subject of what the dream was actually about. And even
crazier more and most often, those dreams that people send me,
you know, just sort of unbidden, have a direct relationship
to things that I'm actively researching or issues I've been
trying to solve, or I had one situation one summer
and one July. I thought I was researching six different
questions that related to Egyptian language for six different people
I knew, and one morning, all six of those questions
resolved in about the course of about an hour. But
they resolved through words that all were found on in
a single column of a single page of the Egyptian
Hieroglyphic Dictionary. And there was a seventh word in the
same column that opened up an entire books worth of
information to me personally. Either went on and over the
next few months wrote an entire book based on what
I was able to discern based on that one morning's work.
Isn't that's something?
Speaker 1: Now, when you talk about these these languages, a lot
of times you hear of like a dead language or
you know, in our I don't know what other terms
are for it, they're just you know, not used anymore, right,
you know? Is that kind of what you've been looking
through these type of things? And is this a written language.
Speaker 3: In some cases? Yes? Okay? The dogan are of a
mind with Socrates. Plito described what Socrates felt about written language.
Socrates thought that he saw written language as a degradation
of instruction. Socrates came at things from the mindset. You remember,
for centuries and centuries, we would pass down skills from
a master practitioner to an apprentice, and the apprentice would
learn and side by side with that master practitioner, and
by the time you know, tenor or twenty years had passed,
the student was now as capable as the master had been,
and the master still got passed down successfully from generation
to generation. That's how the Dogan teach cosmology. So Socrates
felt that a written text was a security breach waiting
to happen. That a written text was a way for
a person who didn't actually understand the subject to represent
to other people that they did. The Dogan feel the
same way. They've declined to adopt a written language. Everything
they do is through spoken language. But in the system
I'm working with, prior to around five hundred BC, all
of these ancient languages self defined the meanings of their
own words in various ways. For example, in the Dogan language,
every syllable of the Dogan language represents what I call
a root concept, and those root concepts are like building
blocks for other concepts. And so I can take any
given dogin word that if it's a complicated word, I
can break it down into its syllables, and I know
what those syllables represent, or I can go find out
what they represent. And it works sort of like a
child's rebis puzzle, where you substitute the word I meaning
me for a picture of an eye, or you substitute
the concept of being or existence for a picture of
a flying b. You do the same thing with these syllables.
You substitute concepts for syllables, and now suddenly the way
the word is pronounced produces a sentence that explains what
the intended meaning of the word was. The Egyptian hieroglyphics
work the same way that Gyptologists don't understand this. In China,
they do because that's a traditional way Chinese words are read,
but with an ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic word. A simple exam
is a word per week that was written with two glyphs,
the sunlift, which is a circle with a dot in
the middle of it that can represent the concept of
a day, and an upside down you, which is the
number ten. So I looked at that word and I
thought to myself, symbolically, that word says ten days. What
I didn't realize was the ancient Egyptians had observed a
ten day week. The form of the word communicated to
me correct knowledge about the concept of an Egyptian week,
and I didn't know anything about Egyptian week. It turns
out the ancient Chinese word per week was formulated exactly
the same way, and they also observed a ten day week.
Any symbolic element that was original to these traditions comes
with an aspect of self confirmation of its own meaning.
That's one of the ways you can recognize that it's
original to the tradition is because it has that self
confirmation and aspect to it. And so, for example, we
have a traditional shrine in India called a stupa, and
the Dogan tribe preserve what I have long thought was
an archaic form of a stupa shrine. It's constructed on
the same geometric set of sm of shapes, it shares
a lot of the same symbolism, and it holds the
same place as a grand symbol in regard to the
whole cosmology. Well, this Dogan shrine rests on a base
that's circular, and it rises to a square roof. The
square roof measures eight cubits by eight cubits, so that's
sixty four square cubits. The circular base has a diameter
of ten cubits. So if we apply three point two
as a value around the value of pie, it has
a circumference of sixty four cubits. Those two numbers confirm
each other. Once we realized that, we understand that the
Dogan shrine is the original form because it retains that
aspect of self confirmation meaning whereas a Buddhist stupa doesn't.
And you can do that with all of the language,
all the terms. Part of what I strive to do
in my books is to trace back what the original
word was for a thing, because if you can get
to that word, I don't have to guess what they
were talking about. The form of the word will explain
to me what the scribe who wrote the word meant.
Speaker 1: Interesting, we have a bunch of questions that came in.
This is just a statement here, but I I it
was such a disaster when the Alexandria Library burned. I
can't remember a few thousand years ago or whatever, whenever
it was right it was there was a vast it
was a vast lot of knowledge that you know, of course,
could never be replaced.
Speaker 3: Yes, a great deal of knowledge was lost. What isn't
said is that in various cultures in Mali, in India,
in Egypt and other places like that, libraries like that exist,
hidden libraries, secret libraries that are overseen by caretakers at scribes,
whose whole job it is to perpetually copy the oldest
of the texts and faithfully copy them to a new
copy so that the text is preserved. I know people
who've offered to take me into those kinds of libraries.
I've spoken with people who dedicated time and over the
past few decades to trying to preserve those There's a
famous South African astronomer named Thebbe Mudepe who's made it
his mission to preserve those libraries. So, yes, a great
deal of knowledge was lost when the Library of Exala
that Alexandria burned. But that's the tip of an iceberg.
There are all sorts of similar libraries that exist unknown
to the rest of us, in these ancient cultures.
Speaker 1: Right, interesting, So I'm just going to pop up a
few other questions here. Do you think that our DNA
stores memories of experience and or communicates with other DNA
and other cells?
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot about DNA they don't know, and
the dynamics of how DNA forms conform to the cluster
of energetics that I write about. DNA has the capacity
to store information very very very efficiently. As a matter
of fact, there are scientists working on trying to develop
computers where the mode of storage is DNA and it
has the capacity to store it for very long periods
of time, to hold it for very long periods of time.
So I think it's perfectly likely that knowledge is stored
in DNA. Note that the junk DNA, what's called the
junk DNA, distributes itself statistically in a pattern that's identical
to how written any written text distributes itself. That the
most common word occurs x number of times, and the
second most common word occurs the next most number of times,
and so forth. DNA distributes itself like language. So there's
every reason to think that junk DNA is language. I'm
imagining that. Okay, As a software designer, I know that
when I wrote a software program, I would devote as
much effort to the comments that explained what was about
to happen in the next section of computer code I
was about to write as anything else. And so I
imagine that DNA works the same way that if a
competent programmer was behind the organization of aspects of the DNA,
they would have wanted to document what there doing, not
necessarily for the benefit of somebody else. Oftentimes I was
the person who benefited from my own comment, because five
years later I was asked to pick up a program
I had written five years before, and I had to
get back into the mindset of how does this program
work and what's it doing? And those comments were invaluable
to figuring that out. Now, whether or not communication can
happen between DNA of different creatures, that's hard to say.
The sort of currency of energetic exchanges is photons. There's
a reason for that. It's because photons naturally form from
the interaction of magnetism and electricity. They're a form of
something that science calls a beat frequency. You be familiar
with what a beat frequency is. If you've ever driven
your car on a highway and open just one window,
you likely heard a whack, a whack, a whack, a
whack of sound, and that whack of sound is a
beat frequency. It comes about because when you have two
waves of energy that are moving closely into and out
of phase with each other. At certain points, the two
waves multiply each other, and so you get a louder
sound when it's in a range that is audible. At
other points, they interfere with each other and so they
get a very quiet sound, and so you end up
with a sound that grows from very quiet to very
loud and back again, repeatedly, again and again and again
and again. That's how energy works. It's even true, it
looks as if okay. Louis de brogh Lee was a
French physicist in the nineteen twenties and thirties, and in
nineteen twenty seven he wrote a very important paper where
he demonstrated mathematically that in a hydrogen atom, the stable
orbits of an electron, there are three to five stable
orbits orbital distances for an electron and a hydrogen atom.
Those correspond to points of resonance for the two energies.
Those stable orbits have all the same attributes as a
beat frequency. It's as if those were the initial beat
frequencies that are produced through the energies of a hydrogen atom,
and then they facilitate the creation of the photons, which
are the same dynamic of energy. When when the energy
reaches a certain point, it can be exchanged outward or
it can be accepted inward, and that's all done through photons.
So because energy can be through photons, I don't have
proof that DNA isn't capable of receiving or sending that
kind of energy. It might be able to.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, here's another question here.
Speaker 2: Let me just put it up here.
Speaker 1: Can you provide any references to specific examples of UFOs
displaying the same colors while performing the same actions.
Speaker 3: Off the top of my head, I don't have the
relationship of the colors to the motions there. If you
read the Linda Cortil story and what the witness has
said happened with the UFO device that as it moves away,
you're getting the equivalent of redshift. So I know it
turns red as it moves away, and it seems to
turn blue as it approaches you, but you have other
colors as it rises up and as it descends, and
those colors are associated properly with what the ancient language
is phonetics associate. So but it goes beyond that. It
also goes to emotions that people experience. That we're talking
about these domains of energy. When you cross over the
boundary between the materialized domain and the non material or
the energetic domain, there's an emotion of love that is
a vote at the time of that crossing. When you
cross the other direction, there's an emotion of sadness or
tearfulness that's a vote and so anytime you had a
person who's had a a paranormal or spiritual, spiritualized experience
and energetic experience where they're expressing it in terms of
deep feelings of love or deep feelings of sadnes, this
you can pretty much say conceptually what direction across that
boundary between non non materiality and materiality the experience moved
them in one way or another. There are also time differences.
You know, all the ancient discussions of fairy folk who
were sometimes material forms and sometimes they weren't. It's like
they were sitting at the boundary between materiality and non materiality.
There were time differences between those zones. Riffvan Winkle, who
his Washington Irving's father was actually from Orkney in Scotland,
which is one of the places I've studied. Riff van Winkle,
when he returns from being taken by the fairy folk,
has aged dramatically. We saw with Travis Walton that he
thought he'd been away for a few hours, but in
our frame of reference time, WI has he been gone
for days?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: The very common experience with the UFO experience is that
they describe being away for a short period of time,
but they come back and discover they were actually gone
for a longer period. They were missed for a longer
period than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he actually had a beard growth and he couldn't
even believe it when he when he touched Yeah, very interesting.
We can you believe this time when by so fast?
So where can someone reach you?
Speaker 3: Okay, well, you can find me on Facebook, I say,
don't confuse me with all the other layered Scrantons. I'm
the only layered Scranton there. If you friend me there,
I'll accept your request and we can Facebook message, or
if maybe we can communicate by email. I have no
problem with my email address being given out. The one
I work from is Scranton l R at aol dot com.
Scranton like Pennsylvania l R as letters a dot com.
Feel free to email me. I'm happy to answer questions
or to be a sounding board for some kind of
experience that people have. My books are available as Simon
and Schuster dot com, or they're all available on Amazon
dot com. Over the years. To begin with, my books
were traditionally published, but over the years it's taking longer
and longer to get a book published. You submit a
manuscript and eighteen months later you have a finished book.
I discovered I could self publish a second book during
that interviewing months. Those interviewing months. So for four years
I was publishing two books a year. I was publishing
one traditionally and one self publishing. Now I'm to the
point where it's just simpler overall, and I have better
control over what I get if I self published the book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, excellent, Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for having me on. This has been
a lot of fun. It's been a pleasure meeting you
at the conference. And yeah, I'm happy to have done
this and been a part of your earlier interview.
Speaker 1: Excellent, Okay, thank you. Yeah, all right, everyone, So we'll
be back next week with Eric Mintel, and remember to
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