1 00:00:23,039 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and 2 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,039 I guess where I am. I'm down in Washington, d C. 3 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,479 Pretty excited tomorrow going to be at the second UAP hearing. 4 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,439 Hopefully I'll get in the door. It's a little chillier 5 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,000 than it was back in July twenty sixth, twenty twenty three. 6 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,640 So Randall Nickerson, who I had dinner with tonight and 7 00:00:44,679 --> 00:00:48,280 we came from the airport together, is actually staying overnight 8 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,920 there at the door to make sure that you know, 9 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,560 he gets in early. I'm going to go there probably 10 00:00:55,759 --> 00:00:58,560 three or four o'clock in the morning myself to make 11 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,399 sure I get in This time. It seems like there's 12 00:01:00,439 --> 00:01:03,320 a lot more people interested in getting there early. And 13 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:05,239 maybe I said it too many times that I got 14 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:07,159 there real early just to get in the door last 15 00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:11,040 time because it's limited seating, only thirty seats or so. Anyway, 16 00:01:11,239 --> 00:01:15,760 our blog this week is a continuation of last week's 17 00:01:16,159 --> 00:01:19,719 The Cash landrum Case, and it's part two, so check 18 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:24,480 that out PODCASTUFO dot com. We do have our merchandise 19 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,120 there and our T shirts, and they're just slightly over 20 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,400 costs to cover expenses, so it's not like a money maker. 21 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,120 They're a good deal, is what I'm trying to say. 22 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,959 So check out podcast, UFO T shirts and other merchandise. 23 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,239 So we're on our website and I'm excited to talk 24 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:47,719 first with Kevin Wright. He's with the Advicts Advocacy group 25 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,519 here right outside the city in Washington. And after that, 26 00:01:51,599 --> 00:01:54,599 I have a wonderfull guest who I've known for a 27 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,040 long time, but I am going to be talking to 28 00:01:57,159 --> 00:01:59,920 for the first time on this show, Lard Scranton. He's 29 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:03,280 going to be talking about ancient UFO symbology and a 30 00:02:03,319 --> 00:02:05,840 lot more. But for right now, I'd like to bring 31 00:02:05,879 --> 00:02:09,360 in our guest, Kevin and talk about tomorrow. 32 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,719 Speaker 2: Kevin, welcome, Thank you, Martin, thank you for having me. 33 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 3: Yes, you were on. 34 00:02:14,719 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: I think you were on shortly after we met last year. 35 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,240 I mean yeah, on the last year ago July. 36 00:02:22,039 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right. That's right. 37 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's happened. I'm excited about tomorrow and there's something 38 00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:30,560 going on. I'm going to attend right after that too. 39 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:35,039 But first of all, I know the lineup, but I 40 00:02:35,039 --> 00:02:36,560 don't have them right here in front of me. 41 00:02:36,879 --> 00:02:37,039 Speaker 2: You know. 42 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,759 Speaker 1: I know who's going to be there, but Anyway, let's 43 00:02:39,759 --> 00:02:43,360 talk about the guests as we know them as right now. 44 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,360 I know it is Tim Galadad who's been on the show, 45 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:49,879 and in Loue Alzondo of course has been on the show. 46 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,439 Speaker 2: And two more. 47 00:02:51,479 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: We've got Schoenberger. What's the who's the third one from NASA? 48 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,240 Mark Gold fourth one, Yeah, Mark Old. 49 00:03:00,719 --> 00:03:02,599 Speaker 2: So he's you know, he's been with NASA. 50 00:03:02,719 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 4: He was also with you know, some of the other 51 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:09,360 projects going on with Bigelow and stuff. So, uh, it's 52 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,280 hard to tell exactly what he's going to uh, you know, 53 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,319 reveal or talk about his you know, this submitted statement 54 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:21,439 that he's given to Congress, you know, has some inkling 55 00:03:21,479 --> 00:03:23,960 of suggestion of what he might be talked about, which 56 00:03:24,039 --> 00:03:28,400 is you know more you know, scientific study and funding 57 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:30,919 for you know, the study of you know u a 58 00:03:31,039 --> 00:03:34,719 p possibly through NASA or maybe a public private uh 59 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,280 you know, uh enterprise or something like that. 60 00:03:37,319 --> 00:03:38,879 Speaker 2: So we walk away and see exactly what he's going 61 00:03:38,919 --> 00:03:39,520 to testify to. 62 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,159 Speaker 1: I also saw, I believe, as a representative, Nancy Mace 63 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,680 was plugging this thing happening tomorrow, like she's really excited 64 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:53,400 to talk about this, I thought. She asked along with 65 00:03:53,479 --> 00:03:55,479 a lot of other people, you know, and this is 66 00:03:55,479 --> 00:03:57,599 a bypartisan I have to I have to say this 67 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,800 because there's there is so much thermal well in this 68 00:04:01,479 --> 00:04:05,719 country about politics. You know, this is a bipartisan issue, 69 00:04:05,759 --> 00:04:08,080 and that's what I think is wonderful. It's like you 70 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:12,199 see AOC right in the same room talking nicely with 71 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:15,240 Matt Gates, you know, which is kind of unheard of 72 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,439 anywhere else about any other topic that we that goes 73 00:04:19,439 --> 00:04:23,040 on in Washington. So you know, this will be exciting 74 00:04:23,079 --> 00:04:23,720 to see again. 75 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. 76 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:27,519 Speaker 4: I mean, it's one of the very few, if not 77 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,639 one of the only, issues where there seems to be 78 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,120 common ground between both parties, between the Democrats and the Republicans. 79 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,040 Like you said, you know, the fact that you could 80 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,879 have Alexandria Cols of Cortes and Matt Gates, you know, 81 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,360 in the same hearing and you know, not throwing you know, 82 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,000 verbal jabs at one another or something. But I think 83 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,360 there's obviously a lot of common cause here that cuts 84 00:04:48,399 --> 00:04:51,040 across party lines, which is the fact that you know, 85 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:57,040 it's about government transparency, it's about corruption, it's about constitutional 86 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,600 checks and balances between in this particular case, between the 87 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,759 legislative and the executive where you know, all the evidence 88 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,560 points to the fact that there are agencies and departments 89 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,319 of the executive branch that have been hiding uh, you know, 90 00:05:11,439 --> 00:05:14,439 information and data as it relates to non human intelligence 91 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,519 and crash from free val reverse engineering programs. It's not 92 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,120 just been hidden from the public, but it's also been 93 00:05:20,199 --> 00:05:23,079 hidden from Congress, which sets up, you know, essentially a 94 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:28,040 constitutional crisis that's going to have to be rectified by Congress, 95 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,639 and it's going to take probably you know, some work 96 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,600 by the executive branch too, in some sort of you know, 97 00:05:34,199 --> 00:05:36,720 partnership and trying to find a solution to this answer, 98 00:05:36,759 --> 00:05:40,319 because you know, it's essentially a catch twenty two that 99 00:05:40,439 --> 00:05:42,920 the government finds itself in where you know, they have 100 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,600 you know, been lying to the public and to Congress. 101 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,920 They've been you know, spoon feeding the public misinformation and disinformation, 102 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,399 and you know, at some point you have to ask 103 00:05:54,399 --> 00:05:56,399 yourself out, how do you get out of, you know, 104 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,040 this conundrum that they've built for themselves, and it's just 105 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,600 going to boil down to the fact they're just going 106 00:06:01,639 --> 00:06:02,319 to have to come clean. 107 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: When I was flying here today, I was listening to 108 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,839 Need to Know podcasts with Rose Cross, Coultharten, Bryce Able 109 00:06:11,399 --> 00:06:14,600 and you know, they they they made a good point. 110 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,279 They're saying, you know that several presidents along the way 111 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,480 have you know, tried to get the information actually outright 112 00:06:21,519 --> 00:06:24,560 asked if there's you know, did Roswell really happen like 113 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:28,639 Jimmy Carter did not Jimmy Carter. Bill Clinton asked that 114 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:29,800 question directly. 115 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: I want to know. 116 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,959 Speaker 1: And I remember when I had Chris Mellan on my 117 00:06:36,079 --> 00:06:39,160 show back in twenty fifteen or sixteen, whenever it was, 118 00:06:39,759 --> 00:06:41,920 you know, I asked him a question because he was 119 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,879 in that you know, in where he would know what 120 00:06:46,079 --> 00:06:49,279 a president has to be told. And he said that 121 00:06:49,439 --> 00:06:53,920 if they know and the president directly asks, then they 122 00:06:53,959 --> 00:06:57,480 will have to answer them. The problem is, though, he said, 123 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,519 what if these things are in private entities without congressional oversight, 124 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,560 then everything's compartmentalized and no one needs to know, you know, 125 00:07:05,639 --> 00:07:06,600 anything other than. 126 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: What they need to know. 127 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: So I think that's I think that is, you know, 128 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:10,879 that is. 129 00:07:10,839 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: What is probably going on. 130 00:07:13,439 --> 00:07:16,519 Speaker 1: Otherwise, Uh, you know, Bill Clinton would have known back 131 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:17,800 when he asked. 132 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean there's a lot to unpack there 133 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,839 because if you read what you know, Michael Schellenberger has 134 00:07:25,519 --> 00:07:28,120 provided to Congress and what he has you know, written 135 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,360 on public and other things, it seems that there is 136 00:07:31,399 --> 00:07:34,800 an indication that, you know, the particular program that he's referencing, 137 00:07:34,839 --> 00:07:39,240 which is imaculate const constellation, that you know, it might 138 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:44,040 be an actual, uh you know, unacknowledged specializics program that's 139 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,959 actually run by the White House. You know, I don't 140 00:07:45,959 --> 00:07:47,439 know if that's true or not, or what the case 141 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,959 may be, but if that's true, then it, you know, 142 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,959 certainly brings up additional questions that need to be asked 143 00:07:52,959 --> 00:07:53,959 about except what's. 144 00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:54,439 Speaker 2: Going on there. 145 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,199 Speaker 4: You know, I'm sort of questioning that because it just 146 00:07:59,199 --> 00:08:01,319 doesn't seem a jibe with a lot of other things 147 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:04,360 that people have said about, you know, how these things 148 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:04,959 are being run. 149 00:08:04,959 --> 00:08:05,839 Speaker 2: But I think you're right. 150 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,759 Speaker 4: In terms of, uh, you know, some of these programs 151 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,480 being run out of private, private enterprise enterprise with you know, 152 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,319 defense contractors and that sort of thing. But you know, 153 00:08:15,399 --> 00:08:17,279 what it really boils down to is the fact that 154 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,279 you know, like I wrote a column for roswel Daily 155 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,079 Record that came out this past Sunday sort of making 156 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,040 the case about how Trump could you know, sort of 157 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,120 tackle this issue if he's serious about, you know, rooting 158 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,040 out some of the corruption and various things and what 159 00:08:31,079 --> 00:08:32,960 he calls the deep state. Uh. 160 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: And the perfect way to. 161 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 4: Do that would be to tackle the UAP issue because 162 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,600 it cuts across so many different mechanisms and power structures 163 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,080 of government. And what he could actually do is, you know, 164 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:49,000 essentially invite Congress to investigate the executive branche. Well at 165 00:08:49,039 --> 00:08:51,480 the same time, he could you know, implement parts of 166 00:08:51,519 --> 00:08:57,240 the UAP Disclosure Act by executive authority or executive order 167 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,679 and sort of work together. We would also sort of 168 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:05,360 extended to alive branch between you know, his executive branch 169 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,240 and the legislative branch and sort of work together to 170 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,399 root out this corruption. Uh. You know these hidden power 171 00:09:11,399 --> 00:09:14,720 structures you know that are existing, that are are thwarting 172 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,679 you know, you know, regardless of whether it's a Democrat 173 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:22,159 or Republican president, it's sort of thwarting their agendas because 174 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,559 if you know, Jimmy Carter or you know, Bill Clinton 175 00:09:25,639 --> 00:09:28,600 or whoever else has asked questions have been denied access 176 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,759 to these programs, then we have a serious constitutional crisis, 177 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,200 not just between the executive branch and the and the 178 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,559 legislative branch, but also within the executive branch itself. So 179 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,120 you know, it's going to take a lot of work, 180 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,919 I think between you know, having these hearings, but we're. 181 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: Also going to have to do, you know, some pass 182 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:46,320 some legislation. 183 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 4: We might need a select committee, we might need you know, 184 00:09:50,039 --> 00:09:55,600 executive orders, executive authorities, something along those lines. But you know, 185 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,440 the hearings are great. It's going to move continue to 186 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,879 propel the situation forward and public discourse and inform members 187 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:06,600 of Congress and their staff. But it's certainly, you know, 188 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:11,399 not the end, but it's but it's certainly a good beginning, right. 189 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Kevin. 190 00:10:12,759 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: I know you have to go, and I really appreciate 191 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,240 your time, and we'll see you tomorrow. I can't wait 192 00:10:17,279 --> 00:10:19,480 to see you again. And well I'm sure we'll be 193 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:23,120 standing in liner. And then afterwards there's something going in 194 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,399 a park right nearby. I'm going to be over there 195 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:26,879 too as well, and they'll see you. 196 00:10:27,039 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 4: That's right, an event, yeah, quickly about that, yeah, yeah, 197 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:36,080 So thirty minutes after the hearing ends, we're gonna give 198 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,759 people time to you know, mingle and mix about and whatnot. 199 00:10:39,799 --> 00:10:42,279 But then you know, people can essentially walk out the 200 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,440 door and walk down the street South Capitol Street and 201 00:10:46,879 --> 00:10:48,759 there's a park right nearby, and we're gonna have an 202 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:51,960 event that's gonna be hosted by New Paradigm Institute and 203 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:55,960 move on together to talk about the hearing and talk 204 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,879 about steps forward Ladisloga process, you know, getting people involved, 205 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,559 uh you know, in civic civic education and action. 206 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: And we're gonna have some guest speakers. 207 00:11:04,519 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 4: Well obviously we'll have uh Dany Shean from np I, 208 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,480 We'll have Ron James and McDonald FROMENT move on. We're 209 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,159 going to have you know, other guest speakers. Julian Mossbridge 210 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,080 is going to speak and you know other people. It 211 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,440 will be an opportunity for you know, the press and 212 00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:22,840 the public to you know, engage with you know, these 213 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:26,279 two sort of leading organizations who have been working on 214 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,240 your disclosure for a long time. It should be a 215 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,039 great event and we encourage people to show up. 216 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,879 Speaker 1: Excellent. Well, thank you so much. It's been a real 217 00:11:34,879 --> 00:11:37,440 pleasure and we'll see you tomorrow. Great Martin, thank you 218 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,279 so much for having me. You bet all right, take care, 219 00:11:40,879 --> 00:11:43,559 all right, So just to let everyone know, you know, 220 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:46,679 tomorrow I'm going to be I'm going to be capturing 221 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,879 the screen hope the stream that is hopefully right there 222 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:54,279 at the event, So please keep an eye on our 223 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,679 YouTube channel. There's going to be I'm going to probably 224 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,919 do a lot of shorts live hopefully if I can, 225 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,559 right from the hearing itself. And so again real excited 226 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,240 about that, and I'll try to get a lot of 227 00:12:06,279 --> 00:12:07,000 footage like I. 228 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 2: Did last time. 229 00:12:08,159 --> 00:12:11,919 Speaker 1: If any of you watched the any of the programs, 230 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,919 the documentaries or anything else on last year's hearing where 231 00:12:15,919 --> 00:12:20,440 it shows you know, David Grush, David Fraver, and Ryan 232 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,799 Graves in the back you see a cell phone sticking 233 00:12:23,879 --> 00:12:27,600 up and I've seen it everywhere. It's all over the world, 234 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,600 and that's my camera, that's my phone. I'm going to 235 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:32,440 try to not be so obvious this time if I 236 00:12:32,519 --> 00:12:35,440 do some filming. But anyway, it's time to bring in 237 00:12:35,919 --> 00:12:37,960 our guest tonight, Lared. Welcome to the show. 238 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 3: Well, thanks, thanks very much. I appreciate you inviting me on. Yes, 239 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:43,480 it was. 240 00:12:43,519 --> 00:12:47,279 Speaker 1: Nice to finally meet you at the Exeter conference this 241 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:48,840 year after all these years. 242 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great event. That was really impressed. Yeah, 243 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,639 I was fortunate to be able to travel with Peter Robbins, 244 00:12:55,639 --> 00:13:00,639 who's a longtime friend of mine and he's instrumental in conference. 245 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's right. Yeah, he has been for years. Yeah, 246 00:13:04,759 --> 00:13:07,919 And that's Righted, that's in my neighborhood. That's you know, 247 00:13:08,039 --> 00:13:10,919 that's you know, ten to fifteen minutes away from where 248 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:11,240 I live. 249 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 3: So that's terrific, That's rific. I love how the whole 250 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:15,600 community turns out for that. 251 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, it was wonderful, wonderful. So I really 252 00:13:19,639 --> 00:13:21,840 liked your talk. I really enjoyed your talk. You know, 253 00:13:21,919 --> 00:13:23,480 some of the talks I kind of listened to, but 254 00:13:23,519 --> 00:13:26,159 yours really grabbed me all the way through. And I 255 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,759 just because there's so many puzzles and the one of 256 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,879 like the you know, I mean, I know you can 257 00:13:32,919 --> 00:13:35,360 talk about a lot of different things, but you know, 258 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,720 in particular, when you were talking about the symbology, the 259 00:13:39,799 --> 00:13:44,080 ancient you know, symbols, it's just fascinating to me. And 260 00:13:44,399 --> 00:13:46,159 so I have to ask you in the beginning, what 261 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,519 made you decide to look into that particular topic. 262 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,919 Speaker 3: Well, actually, I was introduced to in the late nineteen 263 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:59,799 nineties to an African tribe priestly African tribe called the 264 00:13:59,799 --> 00:14:03,200 dough Who from Mali in the northwest of Africa. By 265 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,639 my wife. She presents she had read a book called 266 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,919 Unexplained by Jerome Clark, and one of the chapters in 267 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,960 that book talks about how this tribe knows some things 268 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,600 they really ought not to know about science, about astronomy, 269 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,120 given that they don't have access to any technology. So 270 00:14:19,919 --> 00:14:23,279 I thought, wow, wherever that goes is going to be interesting. Well, 271 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,240 as it turns out, the tribe is an excellent entry 272 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:31,000 point to a comparative study of ancient symbolic traditions because 273 00:14:31,039 --> 00:14:36,240 the tribe has societal connections to three different major groups. 274 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:41,240 They have civic practices that are like ancient Egypt, they 275 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,720 have rituals like ancient Judaism, and they have a cosmology 276 00:14:44,799 --> 00:14:51,279 like Buddhism. And so they also have a societal imperative 277 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,759 to preserve original forms. So the Dogan language and the 278 00:14:55,799 --> 00:15:02,000 Dogan cosmological drawings and their esoteritory are all sort of 279 00:15:02,279 --> 00:15:04,679 key entry points into how to understand this tradition. 280 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: Very interesting. Yeah, I've seen artifacts, you know, in the 281 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:16,519 appraisals that I do the dogon you know, Uh, carvings 282 00:15:16,559 --> 00:15:21,080 and things like that. You know, So but this is 283 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,039 you know, but fascinating. You know, you can get back 284 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,759 to these ancient drawings, you know, I think you covered 285 00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:30,799 a whole bunch of things like that, the ancient you know, 286 00:15:30,919 --> 00:15:33,240 cave cave paintings, things like that. 287 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, the symbols go way back, and they're everywhere. These 288 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:40,440 are Young's archetype symbols. So they're found everywhere. 289 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: Right everywhere. And that's that's curious alone, that they're you know, 290 00:15:45,399 --> 00:15:47,279 all over the world. It's not just you know, in 291 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:51,879 a given area, and you know, similar things which kind 292 00:15:51,879 --> 00:15:55,360 of point to like either people had the same imagination 293 00:15:55,679 --> 00:15:57,279 or they were seeing something. 294 00:15:57,679 --> 00:16:01,519 Speaker 3: Well. Actually, the the sort of consensus perspective of the 295 00:16:01,519 --> 00:16:04,919 ancient traditions I work with is that in ancient times 296 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,200 there was deliberate instruction conducted by a group of non 297 00:16:09,279 --> 00:16:14,840 humans who thoroughly understood the science of how energy works. 298 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:20,480 And this group formulated a civilizing plan for humanity that 299 00:16:20,639 --> 00:16:24,279 was very closely tagged to the symbolic cosmology that explains 300 00:16:24,279 --> 00:16:28,080 how the energy works. And so all of these different 301 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:35,559 cultures benefited from a single course of study, you can say. 302 00:16:36,399 --> 00:16:40,600 And there are certain symbolic elements that are signatures of 303 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:42,480 that course of study. It'd be as if you and 304 00:16:42,519 --> 00:16:45,120 I met each other at a math at a say, 305 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:47,960 a cocktail party, didn't know each other, but realized we 306 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:51,039 both had had the same math teacher in high school 307 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:53,480 in different years, and we both were familiar with all 308 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:56,480 the same little formulas, little tricks and little story problems 309 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,360 and so forth. We'd have those things in common because 310 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,039 we'd ever spoken before, but because we had had shared 311 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:05,240 the same teacher. 312 00:17:05,519 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, yeah. 313 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: And you know, I say on the show a number 314 00:17:09,279 --> 00:17:14,519 of times that I feel that we don't give the 315 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:19,079 ancients enough credit for having, you know, the brain power 316 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,200 that they had, you know, I mean, uh, And that's 317 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,039 part of the answer to a lot of these things, 318 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,720 of course, when it comes to maybe somethinghow something was 319 00:17:27,759 --> 00:17:30,559 engineered that we can't fathom, you know. 320 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:32,519 Speaker 2: For instance. Uh. 321 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: You know, I was mentioning earlier that I listened to 322 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:42,200 to Bryce Zabel and Ross Coltheart on their podcast. I 323 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,000 was just listening in the way down here, and they're 324 00:17:44,039 --> 00:17:47,160 basically Ross is on his way to Egypt. And I 325 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,119 know that my good friend Chris Lito, who was here 326 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,880 in Washington with us last time he's actually going to 327 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,920 be with him, and they're they're doing some type of 328 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:04,039 research or some type of guided tour through some areas 329 00:18:04,079 --> 00:18:07,079 where their artifacts were found. Who's talking about these granite 330 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,119 vessels that were so precise that had to be like, 331 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:13,680 I don't know, fifteen thousand years old or something, that. 332 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 3: These are at the well before you know, very very 333 00:18:19,319 --> 00:18:23,359 very early times dynastically in Egypt. My friend John Anthony 334 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:29,640 westn egyptologist, and I examined some of those vases together 335 00:18:29,799 --> 00:18:33,480 in museum presentation and it's just remarkable. There's there's no 336 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,720 consensus outlook on how they could have carved that hard 337 00:18:38,759 --> 00:18:41,799 of stone in such a precision way, carved out the 338 00:18:41,839 --> 00:18:43,119 inside of these vases. 339 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 2: It seems impossible. 340 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems impossible. 341 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: I mean even today, I mean when I see you know, 342 00:18:50,519 --> 00:18:52,960 I mean I've seen some things and it just makes 343 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,480 me wonder how they do it today? 344 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 3: Right? 345 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: Right, and today they have a really high pressure water 346 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,240 that can cut stone and marble like butter, you know, 347 00:19:02,319 --> 00:19:04,799 I mean, that's a whole different a whole different thing. 348 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,279 But I mean for them to get in to do 349 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,440 the interior, it doesn't even make any sense. But anyway, 350 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,720 somehow that happened and was done, you know, and somehow 351 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,359 they had the technology to do that back then. And 352 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,599 I can't imagine that it would be done by hand 353 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:25,319 for so, you know, I mean granted or whatever it is. 354 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,400 The stone is so tough to actually, you know, it'd 355 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,680 be like a lifelong for one person, a whole entire 356 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,240 life to work on something they couldn't even get that far. 357 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:37,839 Speaker 2: I don't think. 358 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 3: I don't know right well, I mean a lot of 359 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,559 times what looks nearly impossible to us, or we have 360 00:19:44,599 --> 00:19:49,000 a different time explaining how a certain process was brought about. 361 00:19:49,039 --> 00:19:52,079 Like I remember reading back in the nineteen nineties conjecture 362 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,200 about how did they manage to align the Great Pyramid 363 00:19:55,319 --> 00:19:59,319 so nearly perfectly to the cardinal points? And there's both 364 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,680 speculation about oh, they were citing on particular stars and 365 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,599 so forth. As it turns out, there's a very simple 366 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,880 geometric process to accomplish those alignments. That is actually the 367 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,799 first exercise taught to a Buddhist initiate when they first 368 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,400 joined up. They're required to memorize it, and it's not 369 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,480 hard to do at all if you know what you're doing. 370 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:24,400 So a lot of times what looks exotic technologically boils 371 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:29,920 down to something that is actually just an intelligent you 372 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,359 might want to say, parlor drig. 373 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,519 Speaker 1: About that, and so what are some of the more 374 00:20:36,559 --> 00:20:39,880 interesting sites and things that you have researched. 375 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,799 Speaker 3: Okay, I've written a series of fifteen books on comparative 376 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:52,960 cosmology and language. Basically, I've tried to move geographically from 377 00:20:53,599 --> 00:21:00,680 Africa to Egypt, to India, Tibet, and China, a leap 378 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,240 across to northern Scotland because believe it or not, their 379 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:10,119 connections to Scotland, and then around twenty six hundred BC 380 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:15,319 outward from Scotland southward and westward. I've written about Polynesia. 381 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:20,720 I've written a book that tracks how the symbolic tradition 382 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,519 made its way from the Near East to Scotland through 383 00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:29,480 the Mediterranean, with connections to ancient Crete and to ancient 384 00:21:29,519 --> 00:21:33,759 Greece and places like that. All really interesting stuff and 385 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:38,680 there's far far more aspects of it that are intriguing 386 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,400 to write about then I'll ever actually get to. You 387 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,559 wouldn't think that that this connects to the study of UFOs, 388 00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:49,400 but in fact it does. You start to see it 389 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,799 when you get into more complicated UFO cases like the 390 00:21:51,839 --> 00:21:58,559 Linda Cortil case in the cosmology, I'll try to explain 391 00:21:58,599 --> 00:22:04,079 this talking about processes of creation, and when they say that, 392 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,720 they're really referring to four things at once. It's referring 393 00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:11,799 to how the universe forms, how matterforms, how biological life 394 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:17,160 comes about, and how consciousness comes about. And for the 395 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:22,720 Dogan priests, they say that those four processes are parallel processes. 396 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:28,039 They all arise from the same dynamics of energy, and 397 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,440 so to underscore that idea, they developed or they're preserving 398 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:38,000 a system of symbols, a single progression of symbols that 399 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,920 simultaneously apply to all four of those themes. So every 400 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,720 symbol along that continuum has meaning for each of those 401 00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:47,960 four themes. That's one of the reasons why the symbolism 402 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,880 gets complicated is because if we're talking about, say the 403 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,759 shape of a hemisphere, if the discussion is about how matterforms, 404 00:22:57,759 --> 00:23:01,640 that's hemisphere represents the expansion of men. If we're talking 405 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,359 about biological reproduction, the shape of the hemisphere represents the 406 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:10,640 expanding womb of the woman. These are parallel stages in 407 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,200 the processes, and the meetings are very closely related. But 408 00:23:15,319 --> 00:23:19,480 consequently every symbol, and every important word carries not just 409 00:23:19,519 --> 00:23:23,279 a single meaning, but a cluster of meetings. And when 410 00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:26,960 we start getting into UFO cases, we discover that those 411 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:30,200 cases play out in terms of those clusters of meetings. 412 00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:36,799 For example, if we compare what I've read thousands of 413 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:44,599 cases with witnesses of UFO related events, what they describe 414 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,839 seeing and feeling, what they describe as actions that are 415 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:55,359 happening around them relate directly to attributes to the things 416 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,160 that are happening around them, and all of those that 417 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,319 cluster of things all play out in terms of common 418 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,920 phonetics in the Egyptian hieroglyphic language or in some of 419 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:11,359 the other ancient languages. So, for example, a person describes 420 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:14,599 UFO as rising up and they report it being a 421 00:24:14,599 --> 00:24:18,000 particular color. Then they describe it as moving away, and 422 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:22,640 now suddenly it's a different color. Those concepts of rising 423 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,720 up and of moving away are associated in the Egyptian 424 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:29,599 hieroglyphic language of the same colors that the witness is reporting, 425 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:35,759 and I have dozens and dozens of situations where that's true. 426 00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:39,319 We have a famous UFO case where a woman steps 427 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,880 out onto her front porch and she sees three gray 428 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,759 aliens who are not aware that she's there at first. 429 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,640 When they become aware of her, they turn to leave. 430 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,359 But when they do that, she doesn't see three gray 431 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,880 aliens leave. She sees three deer leave. Well. In the 432 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,279 Egyptian hieroglyphic language, the word that means to depart in 433 00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:05,680 haste also means dear. So there's a as if there's 434 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:12,960 a kind of telepathic translation going on that what the 435 00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:16,839 non humans or the humans are seeing or feeling or 436 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:23,519 or or interpreting is being transmitted to the other participant 437 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,440 only in a translated way, so that it's the same concept. 438 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:33,240 But it plays out in terms of these clusters. 439 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 2: Very interesting. Do you think that so? 440 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: Do you think I'm just this is just an opinion. 441 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,799 Do you think that there can be knowledge gained in 442 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,559 any steps, you know, moving forward into discovering what these 443 00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:56,240 things might possibly be by kind of back engineering what 444 00:25:56,319 --> 00:25:57,440 you are looking into. 445 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,519 Speaker 3: Yes, I'll try to explain to you how that how 446 00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:07,440 that is okay. Anybody who's familiar with creational energy concepts, 447 00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:14,160 you know, quantum physics, atomic physics, they realize that the 448 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,960 terminology that the scientists use to explain what's going on 449 00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:22,599 with energy. Repeatedly, you adopt words that really pertain to water. 450 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:30,440 You know, electricity flows, monopoles of energy, condense energy from 451 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,079 a bad black hole, evaporates. These are water terms. The 452 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:39,759 Dogan are telling us that water is actually an objective 453 00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:41,839 pattern for what happens with energy, and if we want 454 00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:43,400 to know what's going on with energy, we ought to 455 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,720 pay attention to what happens to water. So one of 456 00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:50,720 the things that happens with water is that in very 457 00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:56,920 deep parts of the ocean, water self differentiates into biological zones. 458 00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:02,079 The kind of plant life and animal life that prefers 459 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,240 to live on the bottom the floor of the ocean 460 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,519 in very deep ocean area, it can be very different 461 00:27:09,519 --> 00:27:11,720 from the kind that lives very close to the surface, 462 00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:13,920 and there are zones in between, each with its own 463 00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:19,039 unique set of life forms and set of circumstances, depending 464 00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:22,000 on what conditions do they like, how much sunlight do 465 00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:24,240 they need, and what temperature water do they like, and 466 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,640 what water pressure do they prefer, things like that. So 467 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,480 the Dogan are telling us that energy does the same thing. 468 00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:39,680 That as energy spins, it self differentiates into fourteen domains, 469 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:45,319 and those domains, Okay, Einstein tells us that as energy spins, 470 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:52,279 the pace of time slows down momentum. Angular momentum is 471 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:55,039 associated with the formation of mass and with the slowing 472 00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:58,960 of the pace of time. If we look at a 473 00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:03,039 diagram of the nectromagnetic spectrum, we notice that scientists divide 474 00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:08,759 it into fourteen domains, and those domains are differentiated based 475 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:11,079 on the frequency of the energy, which plays out in 476 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,039 factors of ten. The Dogan say and the Egyptians say 477 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,279 tell us that these energetic domains also play out in 478 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,559 factors of ten at the pace of time. So now 479 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,440 the Egyptians actually give us some insight into what those 480 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:34,759 domains are like. Those domains coincide with what Hinduism calls 481 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,680 states of energy or levels of im sorry states of consciousness, 482 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,640 levels of consciousness. In fact, by doing the comparative studies, 483 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,720 we can actually derive proper names for certain levels of 484 00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:56,759 consciousness in those domains. So the ancient Egyptian symbol that 485 00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:00,119 represents the domain that sits next to ours from from 486 00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,880 the ancient perspective, our domain of energy sits ten steps 487 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:11,559 up from the bottom of those fourteen domains. So the 488 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,000 domain that is immediately adjacent to ours is defined by 489 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,720 an Egyptian glyph that represents the concept of a gateway, 490 00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:22,640 and the idea is that crossover between the domains is 491 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,759 possible under certain conditions. You know, if we hop in 492 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:30,119 a submarine and travel into the very deepest part of 493 00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:32,440 the ocean where the pressure is very very great, if 494 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,119 we don't, if our submarine doesn't collapse on us, we 495 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,440 can safely move into the water. By using an air lock. 496 00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:44,680 We can equalize the pressure inside our submarine with the 497 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,160 pressure outside, and once those pressures are equalized, it's safe 498 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,359 to move from one to the other. Well, the continuum 499 00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:54,799 of energy works the same way that towards the middle 500 00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:57,559 of the cycle of the continuum of energy, you have 501 00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:01,359 domains where the timeframes are similar, and at that point 502 00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:05,759 it's theoretically possible for a living intelligence to move from 503 00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:07,480 one of those domains into another domain. 504 00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: Very interesting. You know, someone made a point here, whereas 505 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,799 it's a I'm just looking for it, Oh yeah, you know, 506 00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:20,319 I mean, it's just a point where you know, the 507 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,119 human body is made up of something like sixty percent 508 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,839 of water. You know, you know, I don't know how 509 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,519 that ties in with any of it, but still, you know, 510 00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:34,559 that's that's interesting that so many things are based on 511 00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:38,920 you know, water, is is really something? 512 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 3: Right? Really? 513 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:43,039 Speaker 2: Go ahead? 514 00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:51,039 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, a human cell is actually a good concept 515 00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:52,759 to think about in terms of trying to understand how 516 00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:57,119 the energies work because in a human biological cell. Okay, 517 00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:02,160 both the scientists and the and the ancients are talking 518 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,359 about energy being in these domains, being superimposed or superposed 519 00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:11,240 with them with itself. In other words, we have things 520 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,839 that different timeframes occurring simultaneously with each other that all 521 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,559 contribute to the life of the overall the broader domain. 522 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,559 You can think of imagine a jazz combo where every 523 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,880 player in the combo has complete freedom to play whatever 524 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,079 they want to as long as it's in harmony with whatever. 525 00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:33,319 The theme of the overall piece is that the groups 526 00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:37,839 play well. That's the way that time and energy are 527 00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:44,599 represented to function. That there are two dynamics of time 528 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,440 being described. One that is linear, which is what we 529 00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:52,319 typically experience. But pretty much everyone I know at some 530 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,920 point in their life has had a strong sense that 531 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,680 are to certain circumstances, events happen simultaneously, they don't have 532 00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:04,480 happens sequentially, or sometimes even that some people perceive events 533 00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:09,519 before they happen sequentially. Well, from the ancient perspective, that's 534 00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:14,160 that's possible because you have two modes of energy, two 535 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,319 oscillations of energy that are operating. One is an ultra 536 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,599 quick quick oscillation that operates at very nearly the speed 537 00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:26,039 of light from our perspective of all events hacker at 538 00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:28,599 once if we're looking at it into in terms of 539 00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:33,319 that energy. But we have another oscillation of energy that 540 00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:35,519 happens at about two percent of the speed of light, 541 00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:39,480 and that's where that occurs linearly, and that's where sort 542 00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:44,240 of the events are sequenced. I'm a software guy, so 543 00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:47,440 I understand the idea of a data file where the 544 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,920 data just goes in however it arrives, and you use 545 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,240 indexes to put that data into sequence, and then when 546 00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:57,400 you're processing it, you pick the right index and you 547 00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:01,640 process in the correct sequence that you want. That seems 548 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,599 to be the way these two modes of time work. 549 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,119 That the first mode is just like a CD. It's 550 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,119 an amalgamation of a bunch of things that are are 551 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,039 discreete but not in any particular sequence. Necessarily, cassette tape 552 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,759 is sequential. If you want to get to the third song, 553 00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:20,359 on a cassette tape, you have to fast forward to it. 554 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,799 If you want to get to the third song. On 555 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,680 a CD, you can just skip directly to the third song. 556 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 2: Hm hm. Interesting. 557 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: Well, you know a lot of times people have, you know, 558 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,559 theorized that the way UFOs travel, you know, kind of 559 00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:42,440 taking a little side step here, but is through time manipulation. 560 00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:46,079 And I just wondered if you ever considered, you know, 561 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,160 that any of that. 562 00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:52,039 Speaker 3: Yes, that these domains are the key to that as 563 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:55,799 a possibility, because we don't have the ability to shift 564 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:02,279 between those time differentiated domains. These are not dimensions. These 565 00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:05,720 are more, as I said, akin to the biological zones 566 00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:08,639 in water. If we're talking about domains of water, we 567 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,159 have the domain of water of the sea is comparable 568 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,360 to what we think of as a dimension, and the 569 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,480 domain of air is comparable to another dimension. But within 570 00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:21,679 the water we have self differentiated zones that are not 571 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,760 dimensions as such. They're more like the stages of vibrations 572 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,840 of energy in the electromagnetic spectrum. In a biological cell, 573 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,039 we have reactions that occur at all sorts of different paces, 574 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,039 and the components within a biological cell can only interact 575 00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:43,079 with other components that vibrate at the same pace they do, 576 00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:47,199 and when they interact, they produce a byproduct that then 577 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,079 biprate vibrates at a slower pace than they did, and 578 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:55,079 that new byproduct can only interact with other components that 579 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,039 vibrate at its pace, And so you have the sort 580 00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:01,840 of natural sequel and seeing of chemical reactions that have 581 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:07,159 to happen in a particular order because the vibrations of 582 00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:11,400 the energy are are dictating that m HM, and those 583 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,800 are all simultaneous, they're super opposed with each other, that 584 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,000 they're all going on simultaneously within a cell. But you 585 00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:21,719 can conceptualize the ones that vibrate at the same pace 586 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,320 as existing in the different domain than the ones at 587 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,000 a different pace. 588 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 589 00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:32,079 Speaker 1: Now another little shift here, just asking you. Have you 590 00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:35,760 personally ever observed what you would consider a UFO. 591 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 3: No, I haven't had any direct experience myself with the UFO, 592 00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:45,239 but I've had as as any researcher in my field 593 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,960 of study has had. I've had any number of, how 594 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,679 can we say, synchronous experiences things. The first, I'd say 595 00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:57,039 that the first thing that a person in my field 596 00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:59,039 of study learns is that there are things going on 597 00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:03,039 in the world that we can't immediately explained. Some of 598 00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:05,800 them are very objective in that they've been witnessed by 599 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,280 other people and could be attested to by people I know. 600 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:19,920 Others are very subtle. Cabalism defines many different categories of 601 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,039 mystics based on how the people in these categories are 602 00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:33,960 able to interact with energetic influences. You know, a medical 603 00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:39,679 psychic can interact with energetic information in ways that allow 604 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:45,599 them sort of to intuitively sort out what a medical 605 00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:49,960 issue is for a person. There are all sorts of 606 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,239 different ways that people connect to this stuff. I'm part 607 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,400 of a pretty broad community of people who are connected 608 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,719 in various ways, and we have interactions back and forth 609 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,960 all the time. One of the things that happens I 610 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,079 told you how the symbolism I study relates directly to 611 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,519 UFO cases that happen. It also relates directly to vivid 612 00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,920 dreams that people have. So quite often a person will 613 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,320 send me a long description of what their vivid dream 614 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,880 was and what they remember about it, What were the 615 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,239 key events of the dream, and who are the characters 616 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,119 in it, and what was said and what actions did 617 00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:31,480 they take and what images did they see what colors 618 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,800 were involved? Things like that. I'll sort through that description 619 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,199 of their dream and discover that all of the key 620 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,599 elements of a given dream play out in terms of 621 00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:44,400 a single phonetic of these ancient languages I work with, 622 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,800 and very typically there's one or more other phonetic values 623 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:56,079 related to that same cluster of things that isn't represented 624 00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:58,320 in the dream. But we can see when we take 625 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,239 the dream in its entirety, that that they described the 626 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:07,840 subject of what the dream was actually about. And even 627 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,400 crazier more and most often, those dreams that people send me, 628 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,880 you know, just sort of unbidden, have a direct relationship 629 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,920 to things that I'm actively researching or issues I've been 630 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:26,400 trying to solve, or I had one situation one summer 631 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,679 and one July. I thought I was researching six different 632 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,480 questions that related to Egyptian language for six different people 633 00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:38,239 I knew, and one morning, all six of those questions 634 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,440 resolved in about the course of about an hour. But 635 00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:45,920 they resolved through words that all were found on in 636 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,119 a single column of a single page of the Egyptian 637 00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:51,679 Hieroglyphic Dictionary. And there was a seventh word in the 638 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,079 same column that opened up an entire books worth of 639 00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:59,400 information to me personally. Either went on and over the 640 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,119 next few months wrote an entire book based on what 641 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,199 I was able to discern based on that one morning's work. 642 00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:10,280 Isn't that's something? 643 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: Now, when you talk about these these languages, a lot 644 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,880 of times you hear of like a dead language or 645 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,079 you know, in our I don't know what other terms 646 00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:24,440 are for it, they're just you know, not used anymore, right, 647 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,360 you know? Is that kind of what you've been looking 648 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:33,519 through these type of things? And is this a written language. 649 00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 3: In some cases? Yes? Okay? The dogan are of a 650 00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:40,719 mind with Socrates. Plito described what Socrates felt about written language. 651 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,199 Socrates thought that he saw written language as a degradation 652 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,360 of instruction. Socrates came at things from the mindset. You remember, 653 00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:55,559 for centuries and centuries, we would pass down skills from 654 00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:59,800 a master practitioner to an apprentice, and the apprentice would 655 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,559 learn and side by side with that master practitioner, and 656 00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:06,239 by the time you know, tenor or twenty years had passed, 657 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,199 the student was now as capable as the master had been, 658 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,320 and the master still got passed down successfully from generation 659 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,920 to generation. That's how the Dogan teach cosmology. So Socrates 660 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:23,440 felt that a written text was a security breach waiting 661 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,599 to happen. That a written text was a way for 662 00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:29,920 a person who didn't actually understand the subject to represent 663 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,360 to other people that they did. The Dogan feel the 664 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,639 same way. They've declined to adopt a written language. Everything 665 00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:41,960 they do is through spoken language. But in the system 666 00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:47,800 I'm working with, prior to around five hundred BC, all 667 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:54,639 of these ancient languages self defined the meanings of their 668 00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:58,920 own words in various ways. For example, in the Dogan language, 669 00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:02,079 every syllable of the Dogan language represents what I call 670 00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:05,320 a root concept, and those root concepts are like building 671 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,719 blocks for other concepts. And so I can take any 672 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,840 given dogin word that if it's a complicated word, I 673 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,360 can break it down into its syllables, and I know 674 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,639 what those syllables represent, or I can go find out 675 00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:21,519 what they represent. And it works sort of like a 676 00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:25,760 child's rebis puzzle, where you substitute the word I meaning 677 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,039 me for a picture of an eye, or you substitute 678 00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:32,679 the concept of being or existence for a picture of 679 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,079 a flying b. You do the same thing with these syllables. 680 00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:41,039 You substitute concepts for syllables, and now suddenly the way 681 00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:44,679 the word is pronounced produces a sentence that explains what 682 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,400 the intended meaning of the word was. The Egyptian hieroglyphics 683 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,480 work the same way that Gyptologists don't understand this. In China, 684 00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:55,840 they do because that's a traditional way Chinese words are read, 685 00:41:56,639 --> 00:42:00,119 but with an ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic word. A simple exam 686 00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:03,000 is a word per week that was written with two glyphs, 687 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,679 the sunlift, which is a circle with a dot in 688 00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:08,199 the middle of it that can represent the concept of 689 00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:11,960 a day, and an upside down you, which is the 690 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:14,719 number ten. So I looked at that word and I 691 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,199 thought to myself, symbolically, that word says ten days. What 692 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,519 I didn't realize was the ancient Egyptians had observed a 693 00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:26,400 ten day week. The form of the word communicated to 694 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:31,519 me correct knowledge about the concept of an Egyptian week, 695 00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:35,480 and I didn't know anything about Egyptian week. It turns 696 00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:39,199 out the ancient Chinese word per week was formulated exactly 697 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,800 the same way, and they also observed a ten day week. 698 00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:51,039 Any symbolic element that was original to these traditions comes 699 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,679 with an aspect of self confirmation of its own meaning. 700 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,599 That's one of the ways you can recognize that it's 701 00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:02,079 original to the tradition is because it has that self 702 00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:07,599 confirmation and aspect to it. And so, for example, we 703 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:13,360 have a traditional shrine in India called a stupa, and 704 00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:17,119 the Dogan tribe preserve what I have long thought was 705 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,760 an archaic form of a stupa shrine. It's constructed on 706 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,599 the same geometric set of sm of shapes, it shares 707 00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:30,440 a lot of the same symbolism, and it holds the 708 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,360 same place as a grand symbol in regard to the 709 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:39,239 whole cosmology. Well, this Dogan shrine rests on a base 710 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:44,400 that's circular, and it rises to a square roof. The 711 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,760 square roof measures eight cubits by eight cubits, so that's 712 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,719 sixty four square cubits. The circular base has a diameter 713 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,760 of ten cubits. So if we apply three point two 714 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,519 as a value around the value of pie, it has 715 00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:03,880 a circumference of sixty four cubits. Those two numbers confirm 716 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,800 each other. Once we realized that, we understand that the 717 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,079 Dogan shrine is the original form because it retains that 718 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,239 aspect of self confirmation meaning whereas a Buddhist stupa doesn't. 719 00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:21,159 And you can do that with all of the language, 720 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,920 all the terms. Part of what I strive to do 721 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,760 in my books is to trace back what the original 722 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,079 word was for a thing, because if you can get 723 00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:31,360 to that word, I don't have to guess what they 724 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,519 were talking about. The form of the word will explain 725 00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:37,320 to me what the scribe who wrote the word meant. 726 00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:42,800 Speaker 1: Interesting, we have a bunch of questions that came in. 727 00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:46,800 This is just a statement here, but I I it 728 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,599 was such a disaster when the Alexandria Library burned. I 729 00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:54,159 can't remember a few thousand years ago or whatever, whenever 730 00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:58,239 it was right it was there was a vast it 731 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,199 was a vast lot of knowledge that you know, of course, 732 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:03,559 could never be replaced. 733 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,719 Speaker 3: Yes, a great deal of knowledge was lost. What isn't 734 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,039 said is that in various cultures in Mali, in India, 735 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:17,639 in Egypt and other places like that, libraries like that exist, 736 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:23,360 hidden libraries, secret libraries that are overseen by caretakers at scribes, 737 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,960 whose whole job it is to perpetually copy the oldest 738 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,239 of the texts and faithfully copy them to a new 739 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,079 copy so that the text is preserved. I know people 740 00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:37,320 who've offered to take me into those kinds of libraries. 741 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,760 I've spoken with people who dedicated time and over the 742 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,480 past few decades to trying to preserve those There's a 743 00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:49,239 famous South African astronomer named Thebbe Mudepe who's made it 744 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,239 his mission to preserve those libraries. So, yes, a great 745 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,639 deal of knowledge was lost when the Library of Exala 746 00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:59,920 that Alexandria burned. But that's the tip of an iceberg. 747 00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:05,119 There are all sorts of similar libraries that exist unknown 748 00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:07,960 to the rest of us, in these ancient cultures. 749 00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:11,199 Speaker 1: Right, interesting, So I'm just going to pop up a 750 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,320 few other questions here. Do you think that our DNA 751 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,599 stores memories of experience and or communicates with other DNA 752 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:19,599 and other cells? 753 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 2: That's interesting. 754 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,920 Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot about DNA they don't know, and 755 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,239 the dynamics of how DNA forms conform to the cluster 756 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:33,239 of energetics that I write about. DNA has the capacity 757 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,199 to store information very very very efficiently. As a matter 758 00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,920 of fact, there are scientists working on trying to develop 759 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:46,960 computers where the mode of storage is DNA and it 760 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,280 has the capacity to store it for very long periods 761 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,480 of time, to hold it for very long periods of time. 762 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:59,440 So I think it's perfectly likely that knowledge is stored 763 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,760 in DNA. Note that the junk DNA, what's called the 764 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:12,679 junk DNA, distributes itself statistically in a pattern that's identical 765 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,679 to how written any written text distributes itself. That the 766 00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:19,039 most common word occurs x number of times, and the 767 00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:22,159 second most common word occurs the next most number of times, 768 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,960 and so forth. DNA distributes itself like language. So there's 769 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,480 every reason to think that junk DNA is language. I'm 770 00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:35,800 imagining that. Okay, As a software designer, I know that 771 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,559 when I wrote a software program, I would devote as 772 00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:42,239 much effort to the comments that explained what was about 773 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,719 to happen in the next section of computer code I 774 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,280 was about to write as anything else. And so I 775 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,599 imagine that DNA works the same way that if a 776 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,719 competent programmer was behind the organization of aspects of the DNA, 777 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:02,079 they would have wanted to document what there doing, not 778 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,800 necessarily for the benefit of somebody else. Oftentimes I was 779 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,440 the person who benefited from my own comment, because five 780 00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:10,960 years later I was asked to pick up a program 781 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,440 I had written five years before, and I had to 782 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,519 get back into the mindset of how does this program 783 00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:18,800 work and what's it doing? And those comments were invaluable 784 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:25,119 to figuring that out. Now, whether or not communication can 785 00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:33,880 happen between DNA of different creatures, that's hard to say. 786 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:45,199 The sort of currency of energetic exchanges is photons. There's 787 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,559 a reason for that. It's because photons naturally form from 788 00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:55,800 the interaction of magnetism and electricity. They're a form of 789 00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:01,480 something that science calls a beat frequency. You be familiar 790 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,840 with what a beat frequency is. If you've ever driven 791 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,559 your car on a highway and open just one window, 792 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,440 you likely heard a whack, a whack, a whack, a 793 00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:11,920 whack of sound, and that whack of sound is a 794 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,119 beat frequency. It comes about because when you have two 795 00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:20,480 waves of energy that are moving closely into and out 796 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,559 of phase with each other. At certain points, the two 797 00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:30,079 waves multiply each other, and so you get a louder 798 00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:37,800 sound when it's in a range that is audible. At 799 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,119 other points, they interfere with each other and so they 800 00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:42,119 get a very quiet sound, and so you end up 801 00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:43,920 with a sound that grows from very quiet to very 802 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,559 loud and back again, repeatedly, again and again and again 803 00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:50,960 and again. That's how energy works. It's even true, it 804 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,960 looks as if okay. Louis de brogh Lee was a 805 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,960 French physicist in the nineteen twenties and thirties, and in 806 00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:02,880 nineteen twenty seven he wrote a very important paper where 807 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:10,440 he demonstrated mathematically that in a hydrogen atom, the stable 808 00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:16,119 orbits of an electron, there are three to five stable 809 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:21,519 orbits orbital distances for an electron and a hydrogen atom. 810 00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:25,679 Those correspond to points of resonance for the two energies. 811 00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:33,239 Those stable orbits have all the same attributes as a 812 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,639 beat frequency. It's as if those were the initial beat 813 00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:40,280 frequencies that are produced through the energies of a hydrogen atom, 814 00:50:41,199 --> 00:50:46,000 and then they facilitate the creation of the photons, which 815 00:50:46,039 --> 00:50:48,920 are the same dynamic of energy. When when the energy 816 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,519 reaches a certain point, it can be exchanged outward or 817 00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:56,320 it can be accepted inward, and that's all done through photons. 818 00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:01,639 So because energy can be through photons, I don't have 819 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:06,679 proof that DNA isn't capable of receiving or sending that 820 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,480 kind of energy. It might be able to. 821 00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:13,360 Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, here's another question here. 822 00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:16,239 Speaker 2: Let me just put it up here. 823 00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:21,400 Speaker 1: Can you provide any references to specific examples of UFOs 824 00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:25,559 displaying the same colors while performing the same actions. 825 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,400 Speaker 3: Off the top of my head, I don't have the 826 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,440 relationship of the colors to the motions there. If you 827 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:38,480 read the Linda Cortil story and what the witness has 828 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:47,280 said happened with the UFO device that as it moves away, 829 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,440 you're getting the equivalent of redshift. So I know it 830 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,559 turns red as it moves away, and it seems to 831 00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:54,960 turn blue as it approaches you, but you have other 832 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,719 colors as it rises up and as it descends, and 833 00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:02,159 those colors are associated properly with what the ancient language 834 00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:11,400 is phonetics associate. So but it goes beyond that. It 835 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:17,280 also goes to emotions that people experience. That we're talking 836 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,760 about these domains of energy. When you cross over the 837 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,679 boundary between the materialized domain and the non material or 838 00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:31,320 the energetic domain, there's an emotion of love that is 839 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:36,039 a vote at the time of that crossing. When you 840 00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:40,000 cross the other direction, there's an emotion of sadness or 841 00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:45,199 tearfulness that's a vote and so anytime you had a 842 00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:53,039 person who's had a a paranormal or spiritual, spiritualized experience 843 00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:57,360 and energetic experience where they're expressing it in terms of 844 00:52:57,639 --> 00:53:00,159 deep feelings of love or deep feelings of sadnes, this 845 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:08,480 you can pretty much say conceptually what direction across that 846 00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:12,800 boundary between non non materiality and materiality the experience moved 847 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,599 them in one way or another. There are also time differences. 848 00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:23,760 You know, all the ancient discussions of fairy folk who 849 00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:28,320 were sometimes material forms and sometimes they weren't. It's like 850 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,119 they were sitting at the boundary between materiality and non materiality. 851 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,119 There were time differences between those zones. Riffvan Winkle, who 852 00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:41,920 his Washington Irving's father was actually from Orkney in Scotland, 853 00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:45,760 which is one of the places I've studied. Riff van Winkle, 854 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,880 when he returns from being taken by the fairy folk, 855 00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:56,800 has aged dramatically. We saw with Travis Walton that he 856 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,599 thought he'd been away for a few hours, but in 857 00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:02,920 our frame of reference time, WI has he been gone 858 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:03,480 for days? 859 00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:04,400 Speaker 2: Right? 860 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,440 Speaker 3: The very common experience with the UFO experience is that 861 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,280 they describe being away for a short period of time, 862 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,639 but they come back and discover they were actually gone 863 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,519 for a longer period. They were missed for a longer 864 00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:16,159 period than that. 865 00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:18,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, he actually had a beard growth and he couldn't 866 00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:22,800 even believe it when he when he touched Yeah, very interesting. 867 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,960 We can you believe this time when by so fast? 868 00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:28,760 So where can someone reach you? 869 00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,960 Speaker 3: Okay, well, you can find me on Facebook, I say, 870 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,280 don't confuse me with all the other layered Scrantons. I'm 871 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,440 the only layered Scranton there. If you friend me there, 872 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,320 I'll accept your request and we can Facebook message, or 873 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,199 if maybe we can communicate by email. I have no 874 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,920 problem with my email address being given out. The one 875 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,559 I work from is Scranton l R at aol dot com. 876 00:54:54,599 --> 00:55:00,960 Scranton like Pennsylvania l R as letters a dot com. 877 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,199 Feel free to email me. I'm happy to answer questions 878 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,239 or to be a sounding board for some kind of 879 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:13,480 experience that people have. My books are available as Simon 880 00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:17,159 and Schuster dot com, or they're all available on Amazon 881 00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:22,039 dot com. Over the years. To begin with, my books 882 00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:26,599 were traditionally published, but over the years it's taking longer 883 00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:28,440 and longer to get a book published. You submit a 884 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,119 manuscript and eighteen months later you have a finished book. 885 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,719 I discovered I could self publish a second book during 886 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:39,719 that interviewing months. Those interviewing months. So for four years 887 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,159 I was publishing two books a year. I was publishing 888 00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:45,440 one traditionally and one self publishing. Now I'm to the 889 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,639 point where it's just simpler overall, and I have better 890 00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:51,920 control over what I get if I self published the book. 891 00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:55,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, excellent, Well, thank you so much. 892 00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:58,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for having me on. This has been 893 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,280 a lot of fun. It's been a pleasure meeting you 894 00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:04,039 at the conference. And yeah, I'm happy to have done 895 00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:06,440 this and been a part of your earlier interview. 896 00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:11,079 Speaker 1: Excellent, Okay, thank you. Yeah, all right, everyone, So we'll 897 00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:16,039 be back next week with Eric Mintel, and remember to 898 00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:21,079 keep your eyes on our Facebook and YouTube channel tomorrow 899 00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:24,320 during the hearing and also hopefully that hearing will be 900 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,119 live tomorrow. Thanks so much everyone, and remember to keep 901 00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:49,880 your eyes to the sky.