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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best

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in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Paranormal Pendal Podcast, coming to you from

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the hearts of Pendle, Witch Country in the northwest of England.

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My name is Craig Bryant, author, investigator and collector of stories.

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Join me as we take a journey into paranoral, UFO sightings, cryptozoology.

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Speaker 3: And big cats.

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Speaker 4: This is the Paranoral Pendal Podcast. Okay, so hello and

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welcome to episode forty nine of Paranormal Pendle, broadcasting to

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the Paranormal UK Radio Network at PAUK radio dot com.

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So my guest on this episode, and I'm absolutely delighted.

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It's with great pleasure that I welcome Steve me or

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Steve thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Craig, thank you for having me or

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you've got to help, no problem.

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Speaker 4: I must admit I did a little bit of reading

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up on you before before today, and I don't think

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I've ever come across such an impressive buyo. I mean,

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I really I really don't know where to start. I suppose, really,

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how did you become interested in, you know, all the

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sort of work that you've done over the years.

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Speaker 3: I think I started at an early age. I've rather

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had a collection of books. I think the first book

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I picked out which I was really interested in was

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Eric von Danikin's Charts and the Gods. You know, so

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whomen can of friends at school reading pointings. I was

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reading very von Danigan and then kind of got interested.

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I depleted my father's books of course after that, because

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I was interested in Brad Steiger and you were inside UFO,

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and then I kind of took it from there really,

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and that's how I got my interest.

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Speaker 4: So have you had any UFO experiences yourself. Let's talk

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about uf foals. First, have you had any.

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Speaker 3: I mean prior to being an investigator, as through the

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process of being an investive.

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Speaker 4: Well prior really and then obviously through the process of sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, absolutely, I mean I came into the subject,

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you could say, not only just through because of interest,

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because I was as an experiencer since the age of

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seven years of age. So yeah, I had a multitude

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of various different types of phenomena. Most people will tell

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you that those people have early experiences from the age

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of seven or eight years of age, onwards. Usually physicis

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out in the late teens. Mine didn't. I still continue.

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I think I've attributed to that though through the power

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you know, through investigation and research over the years. Sometimes

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we take our work home with us, you know, it's

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it's unavoidable sometimes, so yeah, I mean it's just it's

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just as much as part of my life. Real they

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have just come to live with it. Really, that's what

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you have to do. Suppose.

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Speaker 4: So when did you start sort of doing your investigations?

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Then when when did that all begin?

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Speaker 3: Which the investigation was in Liverpool in nineteen eighty three,

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so I'm forty one years in that the subject that

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was a UFO incident and the family had reported seeing

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a UFO which I investigated, and it's sort of a

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I did about maybe five six seven years in uphology

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and then I went over to the power normal did

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some years of researching that, and then I ended up

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doing corporate investigations the large companies throughout the UK for

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about sixteen years, and then I got more into our

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psychological research experiments advance UAP working groups think tanks, and

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of course that's kind of where we are now with

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the projects that were involved in around the world.

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Speaker 4: Can you can you expand on on any of the

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UFO investigations that you did then, So, I mean one

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of them that I found when I was looking online

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was I think I think it's it's colloquially known as

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the Murphy case.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, the winter Hill New Pill one. Now.

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Speaker 4: I spoke to Nick McLaren last week obviously it Mick

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does a lot of stuff around winter Hill and we

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briefly sort of discussed that case because it's quite a

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famous one from the area, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It is quite an interesting case. Yeah, I mean we

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all started with and we see the telephone call wasn't

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actually even in at the time. It was on court

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on my answer phone and we're talking. It must have

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been the nineteen the nineties, the late nineties maybe, and

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it was for a gentleman who was called Murphy, who

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was a Stuart Burphy. He was a cattle hand and

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a farm of wins at Hill. He'd been working that

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night he'd had an incident and contacted the police Atquinton

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you know, it's like six o'clock closer, and to get

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truncated to the main eight seventy five number, which was Manchester,

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Manchester Police headquarters. I had contacts with Manchester Police, so

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anything like that did usually give my number on most occasions.

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message on my phone and his numbers. So and contacted

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him the following morning, but it was a bit late

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by the time. I think it was about one o'clock

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in the morning by the time I'd got it, so

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suppot it's late. Then rang him in the following day

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and I got to talk with him and he told

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me about having this experience that he heard some kerfuffle outside.

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kind of there, stay there. The farmer doesn't, the farm

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owner doesn't, so he's hard to kind of look after

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the livestock. He got they were out on evening grays

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or what. He went to grazing and he heard a kerfuffle.

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Usually thousands the cows escalators, so that caught his attention.

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object was relatively low and was tracking the herd, and

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tring into different locations to get away from this this

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looming object. Bove He ran out there in the bit

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of a palette, trying to get the cows over to

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the nearer to the to the farmhouse, when the object

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seemingly swooped swooped down, and at one point he said,

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he panicked and he was running back to the farmhouse

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looking up. This thing was actually tracking him then, and

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he said he was about maybe fifteen foot above him,

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which is pretty low. He looks up at it and

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it's just a very bright source. He said he could

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feel heat from it. He got inside the house, and

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of course this is when he telefilmed the police. The object,

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you know, some time later, the kind of just vanished.

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of course he got my number, left the message. I

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contacted him, and what was interesting is that we kind

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of set up an agreement for us to go up

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to the farm and interview him the following day. The

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problem is is that you know, we were going to

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get there three o'clock in the afternoon, me to meet

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with him, and I think he telephone doesn't just christ

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was leaving. I think it was about around about midday

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or something like that. Some people already at the farm

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who were talking to him, and they just finished with him,

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and he said, I really don't really want to I

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don't know if I should talk. And I said what

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do you mean and he said, well this was a

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Sunday as well actually, so I said, well, what was

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the situation? He said, well, people came out to the

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farm and they were in suits and they had badges

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on not Ministry Defense but m a f F which

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is Ministry Agriculture, Fishes and Foods. Interesting enough, mister Wilson,

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who was the actual farm owner was there and they

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talked with mister Wilson. He didn't really you know, he's

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quite offensive. Well you were you on my land sort

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of thing, and like farmers get and they basically, you know,

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wave the ma A badge in his face. And he

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recognized that straight away because he got to consider that,

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you know, this is a time where we've just come

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out of their foot and mouth problem and with the cattle,

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and you know, you didn't want to close any options.

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the the weight behind them to just close your farm,

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you know, so these guys said, look, you know, we

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want your cooperation you know, and he realized who these

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guys were and he just thought, right, well, well do

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you know what, do what you want. I'll help whatever can.

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They interviewed Murphy and by this time Murphy's side of

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his face was itchy and sore, as he said, I

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don't know if he was just from heat or it

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was just maybe something associated to that incident. And they

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had arranged to see to around about five or six

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o'clock in the evening to meet him back there because

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they wanted him to go with him for some tests.

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Right confused, but they said to him, you know, basically,

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won't think or another you're going to you don't know how.

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So basically their resources a lot better than our resources.

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did get to the farm. Unfortunately they beat us to

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the punch. We found out from mister Wilson where Murphy

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was living. So a couple of days later we thought,

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let things settle down a bit, we'll go and visit

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mister Murphy at his home. We got to the house

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and it was completely vacant. The windows you could flow through,

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there was nothing in there. The whole thing had been gutted.

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quick move out. Now we don't know what happened to

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mister Murphy and his wife, who was basically vacated back

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to the island. Because it was a very strong Irish person.

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the country, to be honest with you, because it was

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that broad Irish, because you tend to lose it over

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a period of time in the country in England, and

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we could never find him. We went back to talk

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to mister Wilson. Mister Wilson said, he's been he's been

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taught to by them aff not to speak to us.

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you know, they knew about our organization, they knew about me,

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and they knew about what we were doing. They obviously

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mister Murphy had told him they beached out through the

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police to us, so they must have, you know, by

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the last time, they must have known everything about us.

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So we have actually found mister Murphy. Mister Wilson said,

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I can't speak to you. I've been told I'm not

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allowed to speak to you. So that kind of got

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closed down very quickly. There isn't many cattle farms up

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there on the top of Windsor Hill, probably named just

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two or three of them. But we were monitoring the

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farm and there was somebody else monitoring us. Whilst we

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were monitoring the farm. We were followed by vehicles and confronted.

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On one occasion. There was obviously something that was interested

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of going on here, and the cattle disappeared. One day,

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we went up there and there no cattle, not in

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the in the barn anywhere to be found. The cattle

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didn't go to market. You know, we don't know what

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there was there was no activity from the cattle going

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to market. So we just don't know what happened. It

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became it became a cattle fan without cattle, Yeah, because.

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Speaker 4: They're all they're all registered there with the Fisher Food So.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, files of all the data and all the all

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the details that tagged details of the animals and all

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sorts of things. They didn't go to market, so we

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don't know if they were chopped off somewhere never to

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be found again. We don't know, maybe they were purposely

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taking away in case the cows were somehow infected. It's

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an object. Who knows. So Murphy disappeared, Wilson wouldn't talk

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to us. We ran the investigation still for quite some time.

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you know, everything was the walls started closing around us.

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So we ended up shelving it, you know, until we

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can find out more data, whether it was responsible. They

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did a good job because we never did get on

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more data. What we can say is that, you know,

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this object was clearly nothing you know that would be

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civilian building would have thought, even though at that time

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British Aerospace was just just around the corner. It's not

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there now, but it was. It was nearby, and we

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did suspect that maybe it was a test flight of something,

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maybe then an exotic aircraft, and it shouldn't have been

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seeing and the effected Maybe it came into some trouble

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affected the area, but I don't know why it would

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track mister Murphy, and it's an unusual incident. The true

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phenomena either way, though, you know that location is no

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stranger to that type of activity. So yeah, it was.

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ever got to conclude it because their resources outweigh are

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resources hundreds to one and we don't even know how

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they managed to get to the location to the farm.

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he get it through the police, did he get it

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through the action? Did he know something that we didn't?

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pretty we're pretty on the ball, but they were, they were.

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Speaker 4: So there many more questions than answers with that one.

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Speaker 3: Then it is yeah, I mean it's not the first

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time incidents up there. There's been closing counter incidents that

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took place. A friend of mine who's passed away now,

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Arthur Tomlinson of Die Gap Direct Investigation Group of Verial Phenomena,

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which was based in Manchester. He does he took a

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case up there with a girl who was coming home

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from work at Experiences phenomena first time closing encounter. She

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started to have she's such a very close proximity incident.

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councium defin You know, she was visited by three people

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from allegedly at all, from the Ministry of Friends, but

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he acted a little unusual father who was very defensive

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of her. She was shocked to see that he allowed

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them in without just opening the door to him and

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sat there comfortably in kind of a bit of a

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day's state while these three guys interrogated his doors whatever, basically,

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and she just couldn't understand to set our character for

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her father to even let him through the front door,

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you know. Yeah, yeah, he was just so submissive, so

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that was unusual. He asked a number of different questions

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about what she'd experienced and stuff, and pretty much after

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the weather seems to be interested in what she experienced.

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problems with the teeth and stuff. But it was a

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close encounter incident, and that was up there on Winter

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Hill as well some years back, which Arthur Soominson investigator.

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and that you know, it's not just ufones but powanormal incidents.

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Speaker 4: And even cryptic Yeah, I was gonna ask you about that. Actually,

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just just going back to that case you just mentioned

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a second the door did she did? Did you ever

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find out what she actually saw? What the nature of

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Speaker 3: Mean, she she said the crack came over her vehicles.

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She slammed the brakes on, but she was that she

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thought there was it was an aircraft. It was got

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a land on her and she was obviously going over

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the hills and stuff, so she had some altitude too,

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so she's worrying, Old God, is a plane coming down

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on me? The over the car lit up the car

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she used. The vehicle was stopped. The object was only,

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you know, very close, probably twenty feet before the whole

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car was flooded with light, and she was screaming and panicking.

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other incidents took place, she doesn't remember it. She got

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her own panicking. The vehicle was left outside the house

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and was seemingly okay. But she she just basically said

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it was some type of object that was clovering over

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her car. But there was no sound, no wind, no sound,

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it some type of drone where we've got to be taking.

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so we've come on a bit since then, but des

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but who knows what it was. It was an interesting

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incident enough to warrant three guys to come out to

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her over the next couple of days, to the house,

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and so they knew where she lived, and I managed

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to get in a very strange run. I managed to

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suppress her father to acts as he normally would do,

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to allow them to come in and tell a guy

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in front of him all very very profound.

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Speaker 4: So do you think he was cohersed the It sounds

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like it doesn't happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think something. I don't think it's a cohearse

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because it was like he was suppressed mentally in the state.

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You know, it's like a slight day's state. So you know,

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I mean, you just did just you just opened the

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door to them, so whatever they just She said that

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they just looked like normal with people, you know, maybe

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government type. But how his father reacted, how her father reacted,

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she'd never seen anything like it. Eventually come around sometime

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afterwards and she was questioning, you know, how come you

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let them in? It was very vague. His memory as

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to what had happened. So, yeah, something on toward had

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happened there. It was very unusually.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very peculiar, isn't it. Then you know you've got

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sort of two angles to that story, and haven't you.

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It's interesting that you mentioned about the the lack of

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sound and no wind or anything like that, because I've

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spoken to many many people over the years, obviously doing

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doing this podcast the last couple of years, and they

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all say that when they have similar close encounters that

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that you've just spoken about there, it's the same sort

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of thing. There's there's no sound, there's no wind, you

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can't hear if it's during the daytime, you can't hear

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any traffic, you can't hear birds singing or any thing

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like that. It's almost like you're in a complete bubble

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where there is no sound getting in our nds. Well,

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that's exactly, yeah, I mean those bubble experiences we refer

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to in the UK is the hots factor in the

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US refer to as dead zones or quiet zones. There's

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a number of different theories behind it, even in quantum mechanics,

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but those things have been going on for a long time.

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It's as if like your your location. It's like the

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reality of what we call the inn is lifted to

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the experience and things aren't quite normal in the you know,

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in your environment during those times. Busy roads don't seem

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to have any vehicles on people passing by, there's no burss,

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no sound is it's just really really strange. And this

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is what this is where we start looking about, Well,

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is our reality you know, sometimes distorted during some of

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these experiences and we're brought to the experience and you know,

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in the sense of speaking, it's very profound. We haven't

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really got all the answer to it, but we definitely

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think it's somehow it's metaphysical based than something to do

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with maybe quantum mechanics or something that affects our reality

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join those experiences very odd, yeah, very very odd. Indeed,

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you mentioned about paranorlimal incidents and cives as well. When

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I spoke to Meck last week, he was talking quite

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a bit about dog men's sightings and also the fabulously

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named based of Bolton, uh being the northwest of itself

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and and all Bolton. Well, what's what's your take on

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those phenomena.

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Speaker 3: It goes back a long time. I mean, this is

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not a new phenomena. I think what came along a

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long time later is the researchers. You know, I think

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this has been around for a long time, and not

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just you know in Bolton, all over the country and

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all over we will Actually I think really from the

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research that we've done, is that we're representative of phenomena

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seemingly changes its appearance. It's multitude of different things. I

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think we're dealing with the same phenomena, but the mass

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changes over the years. Just I mean, I work alongside

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the colleague Barry Fitzgerald, and you know he recognized early

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on these early days are you know, the phenomena. If

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you track the phenomena then so you know, you start

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to see the same things if you track the mask.

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You know, it's confusing because the mask is forever changing

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and interactions with these various sources. You know, they exist there,

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they're real, they're physical in nature when they want to

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be and not physical when they want So it's a

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metaphysical phenomenon, just like UFOs can be metaphysical and power.

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Normal people do experience those things and it's you know,

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it's it's you try and work it out. But the problem.

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The thing is is that phenomena has always been delivering

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what it's referred to as a psychological warfare. In the

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sense of speaking, it's called absurdity. And what it does

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is it generates absurdity for a reason, that absurdity can

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stretch manything from seeing a small fairy to a bigfoot,

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or some are banshee or you know, all sorts of

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different things. Because we're just never have to looking at it.

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We just sangly shake our heads and say, no one's

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going to be like this, and sometimes nobody does, you know,

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And this is why it's delivered in this sense. There's

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no model to this phenomena. It's forever changing. Those incidents

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do take place, you know, there's physicality to them. You

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know they lieve everybody's behind but really, you know, in

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a physical sense of an animal living up there, it's

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just not feasible. I mean, it's just there's nothing to eat,

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but there's not many places they can hide. I mean

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most people used to think, oh, well, it's super elusive,

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but it's a lot more than that, because large animals

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like this neat a lot of food. And you know

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that's not the case. And if they are predators and

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they're going to track people down people come to a

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hole and stopped in fear, then you think that and

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thet tack might happen, but it never does. It's all

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about the fear, you know. The reward is the is

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the fear like a pontgeist phenomen it's it's the fear.

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It's a fair feeding parasite. This is just like a

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physical phenomenon, fear feeding. It's kind of the scar same traits,

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but in the physical manner. Most people usually sense that

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the environment is something firstus, that's what the notice and

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strange this environment. Suddenly they get a chill, the fear

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or sets in, even if they've been to that place

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thousand times. Sometimes confusion gets sets in panic. Then the

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animal or what this thing is tends to track them

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if they can see it or not. Sometimes they hear it,

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they don't see it. And it's all about the fear

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of fair induction, the vexation cycle. So to us, we're

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dealing with a metaphysical phenomena that likes to incite or

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induce fear. There has been some physical attacks of animals

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and stuff. It gets a little bit tricky because you know,

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some of them are cut on the dogs or other

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things and stuff. So we've got to kind of rule

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out that some of them actually are questionable as to

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what exactly is responsible. And it doesn't surprise me because

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you know when they when it is physical, this phenomenon,

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you know, it can do things like that, you know,

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so we see it with animal attacks all over the world.

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So it's the thing is is that you can track

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this back quite over many many years, and is the

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phenomena in that location. It's just it predates the documentation

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of that area. To be honest, this is what we

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find when we pushed back gets to a point where

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somebody is not writing about it because it's early days,

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and that's when you lose the track, you know. So

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you have to consider, yes, there's a massive geological connection

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with this phenomena. It's probably been here forever. It raises

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its head what he wants to do, whenever he wants

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to do, and people will experience that, and they'll probably

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go on to experience it for over thousands of years

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of years to come. It's just it literally does track

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back that long. I mean, I know Barry's tracked it

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back to you know, thousands of years BC, you know,

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with the same phenomena. I mean, you know, dog men

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are rare down carvings on Indian temples in India, dog

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men half man, half dog. I mean, why would that

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be in India? You know the Sumerian demonology, the demons

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of dog men, you know, the humans with dog headed

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these old ancient stories about them. In fact, rameses in

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A D think it was fourteen A D was debating

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with the with what is referred to as a bit

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like a government at that time. Do these things have souls?

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Because they knew they existed. So if you're going to

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raise a debate that much, they must have you know,

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they must have realized that these things are real to

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some degree. This story is all over the world. You know,

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dog men's sightings that happened in Australia. We had incidents

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in Australia last year. I mean it's all over the place.

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Sometimes they get referred to as were wolves and things

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like that, like Ohio, Ohio, and the US is very

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typical place for were all scientists. But again it tends

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to be about the figure the incidents when they've been

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pursuing people and one of them accidentally falls over. The

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others are so scared they leave him there and just

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carry on from him so much with your friends, and

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he's so terrified that you end up with that instinctial

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behavior takes over to freeze. It's like rabbits in the headlight.

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If you don't move, he might not see me. It's

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just some innate thing. It takes over us. Our system

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was stood right over it. You know, it's huge thing,

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and at that point you can think it's predatory. Then

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you'd say, okay, well be meal, so meal take it

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and just sat there. You know, it doesn't It's like

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the game's up, doesn't know what to do, so it

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runs off. It's like the whole process is about the

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fear induction here. So we're doing some work in regarding

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00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:52,039
scientific understanding and tests of fear pheromones and if they

475
00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:55,799
can be obtained and if it is somehow to do

476
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,680
with that, and also the induction of infrasonic sounds and

477
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,359
it's effectonos regarding through this phenomena. So it's you know,

478
00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:05,960
it's it's it's a strange thing. And two people have

479
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:09,039
tried to put these into different boxes. But that's the problem.

480
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,960
The compartmentalization the subjects is a massive issue, and we've

481
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,839
got to break those down to get clear understand And

482
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,559
when you do, you start to realize, well, I got

483
00:27:16,599 --> 00:27:19,119
a second. This, this is in the power noormal capital,

484
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,920
this is in this camp. We start looking at it

485
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,799
at all as phenomenology Blover. You start to realize very

486
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,240
quickly it's making a better picture, a bigger picture here.

487
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,720
And then you start to realize, well, I on a second,

488
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:34,279
is you know the narratives are wrong. You know what

489
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,279
we've been fed over the years, what could have been

490
00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:38,559
done on purpose to be obviously you wanted to separate

491
00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:41,119
the power normal guys from the euthological guys or the

492
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,799
cryptic guys, because those guys that never worked with each other,

493
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,960
not interested in each other, and that's a way of

494
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,799
never actually putting the dots together. You know, I think

495
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:53,880
it wants to break those walls down. People are starting

496
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,000
to see connectivity, which means there's evidence for it somewhere

497
00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:01,480
there that they might be in associations of cross culturals

498
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,240
and beliefs and subjects.

499
00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:09,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, so do you think you talk about this Let's

500
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,960
let's call it a creature for ease, excuse me, sort

501
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,359
of feeding off fear. So do you think that that

502
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:23,279
people can perceive whatever it is differently according to to

503
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:29,559
their level of fear how they perceive this creature both?

504
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 3: Actually, I mean it's you know, we can have four

505
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,319
people experience in the dogmn incident and they pursued and

506
00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:36,720
they'll all say this all the same thing. That's fat.

507
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,480
But there are reouslys of paranormal euthological stuff and people say, oh,

508
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:42,200
it was round and it was red, and the other

509
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,599
person was with the said no, it was triangular, it

510
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,559
was green. The thing is is that you know, we

511
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,440
all perceive slightly different trying to and not only that,

512
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,839
during these experiments, we realize that under certain conditions when

513
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:01,400
the phenomena is interacting, it causes problems psychologically in regarding

514
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,720
limiting your cognition. So you're not behaving properly either. Plus

515
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:08,359
you know you've got to consider, you know, some of

516
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,359
this phenomenons could be oscillating at certain speeds, you know,

517
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,039
like seventeen milliseconds, which will cause confusion regarding color. Other

518
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,960
oscillations can cause confusion regarding what's being identified. Were also

519
00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:26,039
met with the problematic or programmed memory, which people think, oh, well,

520
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:27,759
you know, I find out more when you go for

521
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:30,559
hypnosis and think, well, I didn't remember that, you know.

522
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:33,680
So there's lots and lots of things. What we can

523
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:38,599
say for sure is that deception and manipulation of our

524
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,480
perceptions that take place quite commonly through all these areas

525
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:46,279
of phenomena. Again another connection between them.

526
00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 4: All can ask you about Project Doorway.

527
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, about eight years in their own Project Doorway.

528
00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:01,839
It started with the advanced study of UAP UFOs, Yeah,

529
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:06,640
UAPs and new terminology inputs and trying to reboot it,

530
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,640
I think, you know, yeah, for us, it was trying

531
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,680
to we we employed the methods of what is referred

532
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,279
to as power normal mechanics, which has come through from

533
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:23,880
the part psychological experiments about twelve years ago, and we

534
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,480
applied that to the process of UAP and we started

535
00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:33,079
to have obtain data. Some of those things would be

536
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:39,559
like UFOs in connection to positive magnetic regions, some UFOs.

537
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,359
You know. The problem is, you know, we've had this

538
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:44,079
narrative for many years that oh it's you know, it's

539
00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:50,240
all visitors from Rextra treasholds business from space. The evidence

540
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:53,680
don't support it in nineteen seventy seven, Heinich, you know,

541
00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:56,839
Jail Heinich said in the secret meeting with New Form

542
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,799
that there's not enough, you know, there's not no evidence

543
00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:04,319
as sexa threashold. In twenty twenty three September last year,

544
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,759
you know, NASA did a very extensive report and study

545
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,240
about UFOs so that they know that they're recorded and

546
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:14,839
rephotographed and witnessed and documented by the Pentagon and so

547
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,640
and so on. They also concluded that these no evidence

548
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,960
has support their Actura threashold. So surveys that we carried

549
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,400
out the countries that would actually assist, we kind of

550
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,599
worked out that, you know, well, the UFO is on

551
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,240
a daily basis around planet Earth. It's probably about every

552
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:35,480
twenty seconds. And then if you actually be a conservative

553
00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:37,240
and say, okay, well, you know what, some of them

554
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,400
are houses and some of them are misidentifications, still a

555
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,880
huge number, and where they're all coming from, because what

556
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:46,400
NASA said is that there's no super highway. Might get

557
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,839
some bits of boss down here, but there's no super

558
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,039
highway passing back and forward from Earth. You know, there's

559
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:56,039
no mass disturbances in the Iono sphere, which they can

560
00:31:56,119 --> 00:32:03,039
detect the ion. It's very autations disturbances. So they concluded basically, well,

561
00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:06,759
you know what, they're not seemingly coming from. They're not extraterrestial,

562
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,160
So likely the phenomenas have always been here, So the

563
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,880
big question is where they caring from. The evidence throughout

564
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,519
project always suggests that they're actually interdimensional or something of

565
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:21,079
that nature. This is why we knew that about maybe

566
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:25,000
about five years ago, we stated that the extraterrescial hypothesis

567
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:28,079
is going to disappear, the terminology of eth is going

568
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,599
to get replaced by NHI non human intelligence. And know what,

569
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:33,559
that's what we're see now. It's all being replaced by

570
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,519
NHI because you know, we've got to get more into

571
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:40,640
the reasoning that these things are not extraterrestial, but they

572
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,359
are here in a sense, in another reality or another

573
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,160
dimension very close to our hours, and we can't control it.

574
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:53,799
They can interact with us at any given moment, and

575
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,839
they pay attention to some people who even targeted individuals.

576
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,960
So it's it's a very big problem that can't be disclosed.

577
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,960
No matter how many people take it to the table

578
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,039
at Congress, they'll never get anywhere. We know that it

579
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,519
started in the seventies with the Systems against Eutology movement.

580
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:12,519
They didn't get anywhere. All they got with pages and

581
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:16,279
pages of redacted information. It's is pointws they're never going

582
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:18,119
to give up that because it can't give up that,

583
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,680
because or less they give a lie, another narrative which

584
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:24,440
is just a lie, and another spoonfeed and something else

585
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:27,759
to take us away from the source. They are aware

586
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,720
at the higher ends, whoever these hierarchy are, that certain

587
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:34,799
government officials, even in congression, don't have the power to

588
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,640
cut through. These guys know that, and they've known this

589
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:42,960
for a while, but disclosing that is just not a

590
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:48,599
peaceable thing to do at all. So but jet Doorway

591
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,359
deals with the advanced study with the poweranormal mechanics, the

592
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:56,599
power normal aspects of euthology, gravity wells from the manifestation

593
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,960
of UFOs. We've actually tested, you know, we had planned

594
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:05,160
which have gone under tests scientific tests when they've been

595
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,480
affected by UFO that manifests close to the ground m

596
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,559
This is what it is referred to as plants biological

597
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:15,440
traumatology tests. And we also looked at the tests of

598
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,880
apported phenomena, you know, apports that take place in say

599
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,840
polta Geist disturbances. And what was interesting is that the

600
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:29,679
diathermic alteration in that mug, which was say aported, it's

601
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,760
the same traits. It's got the same digital markers as

602
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,960
the diathermic alteration in the plants. So we might sphere

603
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:41,679
theorize them that the sudden manifestation of a mug in

604
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,000
a Poltergeist case and a sudden manifestation of UFO close

605
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:48,400
to the ground are utilizing the same physics. Here is

606
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,320
another giveaway. So the more we do this, the more

607
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,840
we cut through the rubbish of the narratives, you know,

608
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:59,320
and that, and now we know for an absolute certainty.

609
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,199
We've got so much data now that we are dealing

610
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,639
with a source. The source represents itself in multitude of

611
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:12,719
different boxes that we've created, and it delivers in multiple

612
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,239
different ways, and it's the source. Whatever this source represents,

613
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,039
that's what it is. And the source is capable of

614
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:23,079
generating and creating physiological constructures which can interact with us,

615
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,519
which they can because it can be physical sometimes or

616
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:29,239
non physical other times. So that's pretty much what Project

617
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:36,039
Doorway does. It's it's the investigation based active work taking

618
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,320
place all around the world, which we've traveled all around

619
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,280
will conducting tests and research and come face to face

620
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,760
with the phenomenon many times throughout that path. We're also

621
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,239
called the eye of the phenomena, which has tracked us

622
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,440
back home on numerous occasions. So we had to write

623
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:58,079
in what we refer to as sort of respite protocols

624
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,360
when dealing with the phenomena. Do too much, you're going

625
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,119
to catch the eyes for a hitchhiker back home with you.

626
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:09,119
That can be problematic, which we've had. So it's just

627
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,239
a it's just a whole different form of investigation style,

628
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,039
but we actually are advancing it. We actually are getting

629
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:21,840
there because we've had to break down all those narratives

630
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,480
and all those compartmentalization of different subjects, so that as

631
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:29,800
a as a whole, that's what Project Door it pretty

632
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,840
much consists of. It's pretty cutting edge, you.

633
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:39,559
Speaker 4: Know, so it covers a massive number of different subjects,

634
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:43,920
and doesn't it really, I mean, you're Paranoil and the uapas, Yeah.

635
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,519
Speaker 3: Great, we don't see it as different subjects.

636
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 4: We all interact with each other.

637
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 3: Ye. So so what we do is we said that

638
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:51,400
we do it the other way around basically, well, what's

639
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,159
happening here, what's been reported and rather than put mis

640
00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:58,320
sponsored and kind of say, okay, well, what's the connectivity here?

641
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,760
You know, I mean, why are people having normal actions

642
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,440
associated to UFO stuff? And that's been common right from

643
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,599
the Project Blue Bood days. But the Blue Book officers

644
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:10,719
that went out it was all orchestrated of us. You

645
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,519
know that if Missus Brown said, oh, well, you know,

646
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:14,599
I saw this UFO over the farmhouse and then we

647
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:16,920
had two weeks of poltergeist type stuff, but they don't

648
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,760
want to know that it's all Missus Brown sticks to that.

649
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,840
We don't know that ghostly stuff should stick to the

650
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,599
story about the UFO. It was happening back then. You

651
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:27,719
know that were these boxes have been created purposefully, maybe

652
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,039
because we would never connect those dots if we don't

653
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:34,119
look into these other areas, even par psychological, metaphysical studies,

654
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:37,880
font some studies. It all has something to play on this,

655
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,239
so it covers everything. Yeah, you could say it's the paranormal, supernatural,

656
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:49,960
the cryptid, the even some cases of demological aspects the UFO.

657
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,519
You know, you name it, it's in there because it's

658
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:56,639
all the same source being delivered in multitude of different ways.

659
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 4: You mentioned hitchhikers, problematic kick shikers, So what sort of

660
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,360
experiences have you had with that since you mentioned going

661
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,760
to be very careful you don't bring things away with you.

662
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, in the early days yours

663
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,000
used to get a little bit trap back home. But

664
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:16,400
when we started getting into these studies, that's when we

665
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,519
caught the eye of the phenomenon. The phenomenon watches us

666
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:22,480
now because we've been involved it a long time through

667
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:26,039
the experiments. There are a lot of experiments, I mean,

668
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,880
in part psychological, sir, because I've been involved in seventeen

669
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:35,480
specialized in experiments. Only food be released to the general public.

670
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,159
Just release an extra one. Actually, they were just preparing

671
00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:41,599
to release an extra one because it has to be

672
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:44,760
delivered in digestible chunks. Really for the general point to

673
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:50,519
try and get aggressed for this. And what happens is

674
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:54,320
is that when we started to don't get me wrong,

675
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,920
you know, phenomena is actually occurring for you a significant agree.

676
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,119
You start to think, O, I want to do more.

677
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:03,119
It's exciting, you know, I want to do it again.

678
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:04,559
Let's do it again. Let's come back to my Let's

679
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:06,519
do it again, do it again. And that's what the

680
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:08,800
phenomena wants and wants you to do that because as

681
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,480
it's doing that, it's getting under your skin. After a

682
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,559
period of time, then you start to realize he didn't

683
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:17,440
leave the phenomena at the experiment attract and come back

684
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,840
with you, and it starts causing problems, you know, at home.

685
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,840
And so this is why we we had to induce

686
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:31,079
the introduce the protocols of respite so that you know

687
00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:34,599
it's a safety protocol, so that you know that doesn't

688
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:38,320
happen too much. The phenomena is demonstrated a multitude of

689
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:41,440
metaphysical phenomena tools. It's done on purpose to show us

690
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,960
their capabilities from balls of light bouncing on the table,

691
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:47,519
to going through the table and up through the table

692
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:49,079
and down through the table and hope again and then

693
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:51,320
bouncing on the table again. It's like demonstrating or I

694
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,239
can be physical sometimes I don't need to it. Objects

695
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,599
can slide across the moving table and you might get

696
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:02,239
a direct voice phenoma which which is kind of electronic

697
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,880
based nor female nomail to move the object back. So

698
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,400
you'll move it back, and then the last will move

699
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,920
it and the last year to move it back, and

700
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,960
you'll go and reach out for it, but you can't

701
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,639
grab the damn thing. You can see it. It exists

702
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,840
in our visual site on the camera, and you can

703
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,400
see that it's the It measures in visual range, but

704
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:27,280
it's not physical in nature until they want it to be,

705
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:34,000
so they can break the laws of physics easily. You know,

706
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:39,679
recorded phenomena through instrumental transcommunication tests in experiment two, which

707
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,679
was reached a degree of being able to direct voice

708
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,800
familiar with them. But through the original process of itc

709
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,679
recording on various different equipment and cassette tapes and all

710
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,880
sorts of different things, we realized that we could pull

711
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,800
the power out from the cassette tapes. This has been

712
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,760
done before in a scoll experiment as well, and it's

713
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,239
all further on in the cassette. Even though it's not

714
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,679
going around, it's somehow further along. The phenomena replies on tape.

715
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:11,159
You can take even if you take the recording head out.

716
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,840
You didn't need. Actually, that's all we needed to do

717
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,800
is put a cassette on the side. We didn't even

718
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,159
need the machine called transplacement phenomen This is what the

719
00:41:18,159 --> 00:41:20,639
phenomena can do. It can transplace to us as well,

720
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:23,400
because the whole hypothesis that you know, these things have

721
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,840
been communicating with us telepathically, it never was. It's called

722
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,360
the process of transplacement. It's interacting with us because we'd

723
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,320
pieces of equippment. It bypasses the ear drum. It causes

724
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,159
the vibrations and liquids of the year. So therefore you're

725
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,079
hearing voice and you're thinking, am I just hearing this?

726
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,960
Or you might be because it might just target to

727
00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:44,599
jew Sometimes it can target other people together if they

728
00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:47,079
wanted to. You can't rule out when somebody says, I've

729
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:51,079
just heard something. Now that's the problem. You know, we're

730
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,079
mechanisms just as much. Really. I mean, radios that communicate

731
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:57,280
with these things. Tubes have been taken out of the

732
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,199
radios and they still work. You know, they bellow out,

733
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,280
They've been put in famiday cases. They're still below out.

734
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:10,039
The breaching the possibly the boundaries of physical phenomena, you know.

735
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:12,440
I mean, we even got incidents in the UFO side

736
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,239
where beams of light have come down and affecting certain

737
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,960
types of equipment and things like that, maybe military based.

738
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:21,559
I saw those things when examining them have been physically

739
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,800
damaged physically damaged, which means again it's you know, they're

740
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,599
demonstrating the same phenomenon in numerous diffic ways. So that's

741
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:34,559
pretty much what Project Doorway is about, which it's it's

742
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,400
recognized in a number of high think tanks in areas

743
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:43,559
around the world which are also working in these specific areas,

744
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,000
should we say, and some of them have known for

745
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:47,679
quite some time.

746
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So you mentioned what you may describe as demons.

747
00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:00,320
I mean, obviously there's there's historical flavors. There's been many

748
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,559
a story about people who've been sort of you know,

749
00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:06,760
in Verticol has taken all the Bay demons. So is

750
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,079
this and forgive me because this is the first time

751
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:14,840
really that I've spoken to anybody about this type of phenomena.

752
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,960
So I'm I'm very much learning as you're telling me

753
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:20,159
what you know, what it's all about. It's all new

754
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,719
to me and some of it and I'm just trying

755
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,480
to process as you're telling it. So, if if you've

756
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,119
got something which attaches itself then to you as a person,

757
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,360
and it is it is doing things to you, it's

758
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,280
acting in a certain way, is that then why people

759
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,880
historically going back in the past have thought that people

760
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,239
have been possessed. Do you think that's the same sort

761
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:44,360
of thing, all the.

762
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 3: Same thing, It's just a different mask. I mean, if

763
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,960
I said to people that there are no demons, you know,

764
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:54,280
no devils, no demons, no angels, no cupids, no charts,

765
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,039
you know, all these things, it's just it's the source.

766
00:43:58,159 --> 00:44:02,320
It's just it's itself in numerous different ways. The Catholic

767
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,079
Church do that years back because they panicked and turned

768
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:12,039
all those experiences, those early UFO and occupant type experiences

769
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:14,719
into oh god, let's change it to an angel. Let's

770
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,239
say's that too a cupid. Let's change into this which

771
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,079
is dead. Because if you'll go back to the Vatsage,

772
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:21,000
you look at the source material, it tells you what

773
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:23,840
it really was. Oh no, we can't buy in the Bibles,

774
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,840
you know. So it's been interacting for a long time

775
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,119
there where. It's been going on as long as it

776
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:32,960
can go back in time. I think it predates documentation anyways,

777
00:44:33,039 --> 00:44:34,800
So it's kind of always been here. We might be

778
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,760
the new kids on the block. But yeah, it's all

779
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,800
kind of the same thing. It's all one of the

780
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:44,800
same thing, you know. Manipulation. Yeah, total manipulation by this phone. Sometimes,

781
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:48,039
you know, it's just like humans. You know, sometimes they'll

782
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:50,760
do something, sometimes they do some baths. There's just a gender.

783
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:52,840
At the end of the day. It's not like, oh, well,

784
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,960
you know it's to do all this or do all that?

785
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,880
Do you appear to be whatever they want, you know,

786
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,639
and they interact to manipulate mankind. They go on for

787
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:01,280
a long time.

788
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:02,519
Speaker 4: We are the problem.

789
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 3: We are the problems that keep putting these things into

790
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,960
boxes and names and stuff and it fits and they'll

791
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:09,519
use that and they go, well, you know, that's why

792
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:12,400
is everything grazed at the minute? You know, well, you know, well,

793
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,360
you have to ask the question, isn't that The question

794
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:16,880
is why did it change in the nineteen fifties from

795
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,639
the space bold as humans to the grays? Important question?

796
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,039
Or if you want to go back before that, you

797
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:24,599
know you can do. You can go back to the

798
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:28,320
serpent worship, you know there the lizard people, their actilian

799
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,000
type stuff, and again you can go back even further

800
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:35,079
and start from changing and changing. It's forever changing. It

801
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:38,920
in different regions, in different belief systems around the world,

802
00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:42,239
different places. They'll have what is referred to. The phenomena

803
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,239
generated there will be befitting to what the ideas and

804
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,880
the concepts of religion is or the concepts of myth is.

805
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,360
That's why it delivers itself in a completely different manner

806
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,800
in Ireland, you know, as the faith and stuff exactly

807
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,039
say phenomena just doing the same thing but in a

808
00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:59,880
different mask, and the same reply to all the places

809
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:02,159
all over the world, you know, but it's all doing

810
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:04,440
the same thing in a different manner whatever that thinks

811
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:08,840
it's suitable for in that region. And this is what happens.

812
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,719
Time changes things. The narratives will change over time because

813
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,440
they seem to fit try and fit in to the

814
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:19,039
hampering of all understanding of that time, and ours is

815
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,880
understanding forever changing. It has to change. So what you do.

816
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:27,719
This phenomena is evolving and it learns. It's very very

817
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,880
clever at learning. Occasionally make mistakes, you know, they're not infavorable,

818
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,199
but they occasionally make mistakes which just just think, oh, what,

819
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,559
there's a UFO has just landed in two thousand and nine,

820
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:41,800
and then well, what's that I's got nineteen thirties round

821
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,239
port whole windows with rivets and we didn't get that right,

822
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,480
you know, And because what they're seeing is not what

823
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:51,920
it is, that is the problem, the perception, and it

824
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:55,360
just kind of gets mixed up. So yeah, they make

825
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,159
the stakes, you know, but you know they will learn

826
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,719
from it. They'll learn from it, you know, straight away.

827
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,119
And they are evolving with us, and we've been evolved

828
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,760
with us for a very very long time. So when

829
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,039
you talk about demons and stuff, it's all the same phenomena.

830
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:13,880
It's just it's just how we perceive. It's a different mask.

831
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,480
You even created scenarios and how to deal with these things.

832
00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:19,320
Oh the world, these like this. This is how you

833
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,760
deal with them. This is how you deal with them.

834
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,039
You know, they don't if this phenoma is very clever,

835
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,840
you know, he wants us to believe that you have

836
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,079
some power, you have some cloud. So therefore it might

837
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:34,840
vacate because you've done a blessing. Mm hmm. Well that's

838
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,920
because it wants us to see that. Oh well, this

839
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:39,480
narrative works, so therefore let's go down that path. The

840
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:41,679
bottle like it. The real story is is that you've

841
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,559
got no control over this thing whatsoever. It's also being

842
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:47,880
duped along the way, So.

843
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 4: I exorcism just going back to the Catholic Church. That's

844
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,199
then this phenomena just allowing somebody to think that they've

845
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:58,079
got the upper hand.

846
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,599
Speaker 3: Don't get me to the person. They do vake cake sometimes,

847
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:06,360
you know, And in fact, exorcism is only twelve percent successible, right,

848
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,719
the first thing you won't tell you out the twelve

849
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,920
that do sort of disappear, you know, the priests and everybody,

850
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,840
you know, Raise that to the roof and tell everybody

851
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,639
and everybody got this theory, this narrative that oh right, well,

852
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,400
you know, if you bless a property, be doing exorcism

853
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:25,880
that sort of thing, then that's going to work. If

854
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,800
you think it's worked, then that's it's worked for them

855
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,599
because now we believe that actually works. And that's what

856
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:33,840
they want you to believe, because they don't want you

857
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,440
to believe is that you've got no control over this phenomena.

858
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:38,760
And we don't wear puppets on the string. We've got

859
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,559
no way we can deal with this. And it does

860
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:44,440
it on purpose because it's you know, it is what

861
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:47,239
we refer to as the human psychological warfare has been

862
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,239
going on for a long time, but with this phenomena,

863
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,880
it does it, but on purpose. The obsurdity phenomena is

864
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,400
it's usually the opposite of what we think. Always if

865
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,159
you just I say to people, just think of the opposite.

866
00:48:57,199 --> 00:49:00,519
It is probably that you know, but do have some

867
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,800
diversions to stuff you don't. You know. Negative phenomena doesn't

868
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:09,920
like UV, negative ghenoma doesn't like iron. You know. It's

869
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:13,679
an ancient thing that goes back across time and countries,

870
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,079
and it's been evading or suppressing phenomena in numes different ways.

871
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:21,599
It doesn't work underground, unfortunately, but it works above around perfectly,

872
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,079
and it does and on many occasions it's assistful, you know.

873
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,639
So you know, you could say, well, you know, just

874
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,079
like John Keele said many years back in his studies

875
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:35,480
ultraterrestrial studies, he was one of the early ones that

876
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:37,400
came out and got shunned for saying what he did.

877
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,639
And it's acceptible a bit more these days, thank god,

878
00:49:41,519 --> 00:49:44,599
that some of these things are active in the infrared,

879
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,960
some of these things in the ultraviolet. The negative stuff

880
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:50,800
is more in the infrared. As you would say. Therefore,

881
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,199
you know, and you get these night disturbances and things

882
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,519
like that, they usually have a negative your time if

883
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:59,519
you be woke up around about the three o'clock what's

884
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:02,159
the now it's well, the narrative is, oh, it's evil,

885
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:03,960
it's a devil, it's a demon because he's doing it

886
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,239
in three o'clock. It's a mock of the Trinity. Jesus was,

887
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,719
you know, crucified on the cross. It's a mock of that. Yeah,

888
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,039
it's done on purpose. Its makers think that, you know,

889
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,199
you know, it's said. People think that it can't interact

890
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,280
during the day, or it's always in the darkened room

891
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,239
when sales. Oh it's got to be dark, you won't

892
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,480
manifest absolute crock of rubbish. You know. This is what

893
00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:29,400
it wants to make you think that, you know, because

894
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,199
it's not. It's absurdity, it's not true. We've got to

895
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,639
learn to how we get our heads around this before

896
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:38,039
we even try and understand what we're going to be

897
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:40,920
dealing with. And that's a pretty problem because people are

898
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,920
stuck in this social conditioning of the subjects for many,

899
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,920
many years and being dripped at this narrative so much

900
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,079
that they can't get it help head. Now you've got

901
00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:51,760
people running around and a power normally investigates you with

902
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:56,559
infrared lights you know, just so that they hope to

903
00:50:56,599 --> 00:50:58,760
pick up stuff. But what they don't realize is if

904
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,239
you want to go into somebody's what's ridd of phenomena,

905
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,079
that the induction of infrared light in the location is

906
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:07,079
an attraction for negative phenomena. You know, it's not going

907
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:09,880
to help people that it might help you to be

908
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,559
able to see better. I would say use it all,

909
00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:16,920
you know, all field spectrum rather than infra red. But

910
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,719
there's so many things that people don't realize because they

911
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,840
can't get out of the narrative. And that's a big

912
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,840
problem break when pushing forward way more the problem of humanity,

913
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,639
because we've thought, oh, well, we put it in this

914
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,239
pot and this is what I believe, and this is

915
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,760
how to get and this is how to help, this

916
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,000
is how to get rid of it, you know. I mean,

917
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:38,360
we've we've read disturbances in people's hoes, not even been

918
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,360
to them. We've just advised them to do a number

919
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,119
of different things, and we tend to sometimes you know,

920
00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:45,840
we're completely rid the phenomena on the on the backbone

921
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,320
of of what we advise them to do that would

922
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,079
normally be unheard of with our actual active investigation to

923
00:51:54,159 --> 00:51:57,079
get rid of disturbances in the home. But you know,

924
00:51:57,199 --> 00:51:59,639
it's just it's just knowing what you're dealing with at

925
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:03,679
the end, and after a while they can identify the

926
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,920
fact that you know. So when you start to press,

927
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:10,639
they'll take a step back, and your best phone, they'll

928
00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:13,880
take a step back. They don't like that. And when

929
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,840
you pride a bit too much, sometimes you get a

930
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,800
bit you know, they get a bit nasty. It's like

931
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,760
a biting dog. You know, you push a dog and

932
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,239
it gets a bit afraid. Push a dog again, gets

933
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,280
it's a red pushy, pushy push. It's got a snap.

934
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,559
And it's the same behavioral standards with phenomena as it

935
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:29,599
is with anything else.

936
00:52:29,639 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 4: To be honest with you, So do you think that's

937
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,119
where you get sort of really violent physical polter geist

938
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:36,079
sectivity from them?

939
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get real physical absolutely, yeah, I mean yeah,

940
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:44,199
they can do. The problematics of this is that the

941
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,840
first thing is is that you have to you have

942
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,480
to take away its energy of doing so. I mean,

943
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:52,800
phenomenal like that is feeding off the people's vexation cycle

944
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,320
to generate it. You know, they're absolutely terrified and it's

945
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,280
feeding off that it's a vicious cycle, you know, you

946
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,800
remove them the induction of fear and suppression. If you

947
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,800
can lower that, you'll lower the phenomena. In fact, when

948
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,079
the people realize you're low in the pharma, it's kind

949
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:11,719
of it kind of it can kind of get this

950
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:17,239
realism that they are associated with it somehow, and it

951
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,119
reinforces the fact that they are a little bit more

952
00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:22,320
in control, the control their own actions. They can control

953
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,760
the phenomena. They're we're the ones in power, not the phenomenon.

954
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,679
The film is just speeding trying to create fit. They

955
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,119
love to know the humans so so well that you

956
00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:34,079
know how to generate fear. I've become numb to it

957
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:36,960
through the process of practice. I mean, I've sat in

958
00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:40,800
many places in dungeons and stuff. There's there's a demon

959
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,840
down there, and I've sat down there in the dark,

960
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,639
you know, and bought out my head doing a costword,

961
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:48,599
you know what I mean, you know, because but if

962
00:53:48,639 --> 00:53:50,880
you turn somebody else down, it might they might get

963
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,679
an interaction because it's not going to get the rise

964
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,639
from me because I'm onto it, you know, And they

965
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,239
kind of theyd look at me and they kind of

966
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,000
back off and they do the same with my colleague

967
00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:02,159
Barry Child. You know, but they've got the beady eyes

968
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:05,920
on us always because now we've had our footing that

969
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:09,719
pulled for so long, the door doesn't shut anymore. So

970
00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:15,440
we are now unfortunately on their list in a sense

971
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,920
of speaking, their scope, and we have regular occurrences we

972
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,559
cannot shut down anymore because the door's been jammed open

973
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,199
in some sense because of overproduction of investigation and research

974
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,159
into areas that they didn't like which caught their attention.

975
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:37,079
So everything's done in small quantities. There is a risk

976
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:39,360
involved with all phenomena. And I keep saying to the

977
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,480
people to this, always taking to consideration that you are

978
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:46,480
the lying upon your own sensors. This work. Barry did

979
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,960
some great work on this, and it's about you know,

980
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:53,239
you're recognizing your fight of flight. The skin in our

981
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,360
bodies is the biggest organ we have when it tells

982
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,920
us how normally investigators will tell you that when you

983
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,360
walk into the room and all the hair stand up

984
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,320
at end, Yeah, what is that? Well, it's I tell it.

985
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:04,840
It's your fight to apply. It's your survival sense kicking

986
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,840
in saying just because I don't see something, just be

987
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,199
I don't hear something, doesn't mean it's not there. I

988
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,320
don't like it. Back off. That's what if your body

989
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,679
is telling you. Normally we do the opposite thing, but

990
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,519
in some cases you know it's the wrong thing to do,

991
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,440
because this is why people end up having bad experiences

992
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:24,079
sometimes because you haven't listened to the instinct. But the

993
00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:26,440
problem it is society doesn't want this, wants that out

994
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,360
of us. He wants the dumbers down to this phenomena

995
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,159
because the hierarchy know, you know that our ancient ancestors

996
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,920
were so pure. We don't have chemicals and all this stuff,

997
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,760
and we breed and drink and eat, poisoning the body

998
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,000
on a daily basis. They didn't have. They were very

999
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:45,519
attune with planet Earth and frequence and the phenomena. The

1000
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,679
thing is we're disconnected and they want to keep us

1001
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,679
that way. So what did they do? You keep introducing

1002
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,880
all these chemicals and stuff, get us hooked on refine

1003
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,039
should that's the worst one. When we do an investigation,

1004
00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:57,119
we tend to starve ourselves at seventy two hours and

1005
00:55:57,159 --> 00:56:00,239
refine should be surprising how you body reacts fight flight

1006
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,119
response Because sugar causes andrea or weakness which is separating

1007
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:05,719
you from your bat to or flight. So you're warning

1008
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,559
signals and'd body be gone to get them. You know,

1009
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:14,199
if you attune your body to recognizing phenomena, then you

1010
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,639
know then react to it. I always say if your

1011
00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:19,440
body's reacting, is tag saying take a step back, not

1012
00:56:19,519 --> 00:56:23,039
a step forward. But nothing is because it's the very

1013
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:26,679
induging your body is recognizing something which is dangerous. You know,

1014
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,519
if you don't have that feeling and you do experience

1015
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:33,599
and then it's usually probably okay, but listen, you know,

1016
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,119
sometimes it's not, and you'll listening to the body to

1017
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:38,400
do that. So we have a process of how to

1018
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:41,400
do that when we're out in active investigations and stuff.

1019
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,719
It's just a learning process to be honest with you

1020
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,719
and changing the mindset because somebody has learned that from

1021
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,159
somebody else and somebody else and somebody else, and you know,

1022
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,880
it's only to be rotten to be wrong, and everybody's wrong,

1023
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,320
you know. And this is the problem is is that

1024
00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:56,639
you know, no way are we're saying we're absolutely right

1025
00:56:56,679 --> 00:56:58,199
and everything, But what we are saying is that we

1026
00:56:58,280 --> 00:56:59,639
can put it to the test and prove a lot

1027
00:56:59,679 --> 00:57:02,880
of things, and that one thing is is that we

1028
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,480
do still have a mechanism inside us. So that's a

1029
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:09,960
survival sense, it's a warning mechanism. We still do have it.

1030
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,199
We want to listen to it, but you've got to

1031
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,880
get you've got to get. We find sugar is the

1032
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,880
worst thing really because you're not going to get your

1033
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,719
fight off like response. You're not going to have it.

1034
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,800
The warning signals are going to be going up and

1035
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,239
you're not going to be hearing them. So sometimes it's

1036
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,079
listened to forget this and kind of more this really

1037
00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:30,000
and this is how our ancients did it as well.

1038
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:30,360
You know.

1039
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 4: So has there ever been throughout all your investigations, all

1040
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:39,280
your research, has there ever been any times where you've

1041
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:45,800
actually thought, shit, this this, this is, this is scary,

1042
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,920
you know. Has there ever been anything that's really worried you?

1043
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the first time I got thumped across

1044
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,159
the room by Appointadie, Yeah, that was Warring. That was

1045
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:59,199
nineteen ninety six. In fact, I almost left, almost left

1046
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:05,440
and didn't. I didn't do that very well. What happened well,

1047
00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:07,679
I mean there was an investigation and we're doing on

1048
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,360
behalf of Rochdale City Council regarding ed studies in the home,

1049
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,920
and there was a few of us in the researchers

1050
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,639
in the in one of the rooms, and we heard

1051
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:21,840
a noise behind us, like a like a rasping breath,

1052
00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:25,039
and just about to turn around and I got thumped

1053
00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:27,480
and I ended up across the room and it was

1054
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,920
a real bloody hurt, be honest, I had a big

1055
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,039
bruise there for weeks, you know. And what was interesting though,

1056
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:35,119
is that, you know, early on in my life I'd

1057
00:58:35,159 --> 00:58:39,519
done I'd been an engineer and electrician and all sorts

1058
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:43,480
of things, so I knew what it would like to

1059
00:58:43,519 --> 00:58:45,480
have an electric shot because I used to think, quite

1060
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,280
a big guy, how do it lifts me on the

1061
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,079
top of them? I ended up on top of a

1062
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,000
dressing table, and I mean, how does it do that?

1063
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:55,239
I mean really, And afterwards when I realized it was

1064
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,519
kind of a basically it was a physical plunch, but

1065
00:58:58,639 --> 00:59:00,719
it was also an electric shock at the same time.

1066
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,159
It's the electrical the natural electrical phenomena, part side of

1067
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:11,960
the politic disturbance infestation. So it's but I'd recognized that

1068
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,000
from being an engineer or really repelsia, and that's kind

1069
00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:19,199
of how it did as well as a physical punch.

1070
00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:22,320
So yeah, that was he bothered me a few days.

1071
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,480
A few days later, I was like, wow, how does

1072
00:59:24,519 --> 00:59:26,440
he do that? And I started getting into the physics

1073
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,199
of it, you know, and then I thought I've ended

1074
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,679
up backing it again, you know. But at that time

1075
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,280
it was that's it. I'm done, I'm out of it.

1076
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,920
You know. You learn over the years. Yeah, there's been

1077
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:38,719
some he's he's put on some displays to try and

1078
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,719
scare the living daylights out sometimes, but we're onto it,

1079
00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:45,159
you know, and the usually once we once we get

1080
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:47,719
to that point, sometimes they're different. This isn't something else

1081
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:52,280
as well that there are different There were different things

1082
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,840
with different energies or you might say ranking. It's like

1083
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,880
a ranking. It's like, well, send the big boy out

1084
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:04,039
of sometimes. You know, we've we've we've been involved in stuff.

1085
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:07,199
When we get the little things and the minions, you know,

1086
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:08,920
as we say, they don't bother us. We know how

1087
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,599
to deal with those sort of things. Sometimes if we're

1088
01:00:11,639 --> 01:00:14,119
really doing something, it really catches our rye they send

1089
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:15,679
the big boy out. And when they do send the

1090
01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:18,079
big boys out, I mean, this is like sending the army.

1091
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,480
You know you did did they'll do rip right through

1092
01:00:21,519 --> 01:00:24,519
your house, ripping light fittings off and throwing stuff around,

1093
01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:29,320
and you know, and manifesting in the horrible images and stuff.

1094
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,800
You know it's or they'll they'll reach out from underneath

1095
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,000
the bed, that the physical arms will come through the

1096
01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:35,840
bedroom underneath of the bed and grab hold of you.

1097
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,800
And you know this own paper. So so when you

1098
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,079
get to that stage and they send a big boy out,

1099
01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:45,880
you know what they haven't really learned. Maybe it's just

1100
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,800
a human trait, it's reversed psychology. I mean they've just

1101
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,000
hang on a second. You just realized, Will you realize

1102
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,159
what you're doing. You just told us fuel on the

1103
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,440
you know, putting fuel on the fire. You just told

1104
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,639
us you're on the right path here, which you just

1105
01:00:58,719 --> 01:01:01,920
buy your actions alone. They don't seem to get that

1106
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,639
for some weeks. I don't know why you think they would,

1107
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,199
you know, but sometimes you know we've had Yeah, they

1108
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,320
presented us. But if you know how to, if you

1109
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,079
know what they're doing, you kind of work the mechanisms out.

1110
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:19,159
It doesn't matter how they appear totly our mind. You know,

1111
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:21,639
they can appear to be whatever, because they're trying to

1112
01:01:21,679 --> 01:01:25,039
get a trigger response. But if you can see through

1113
01:01:25,199 --> 01:01:28,840
that and see the pretense it's behind it, it doesn't

1114
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,199
work too well for them, and then they get very frustrated.

1115
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,159
Speaker 4: This this is this is perhaps why the well, they're

1116
01:01:35,199 --> 01:01:38,119
so interested in you, because they know that you've you've

1117
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:40,320
got the measure of them, well.

1118
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:41,039
Speaker 3: To some degree.

1119
01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:41,199
Speaker 2: I have.

1120
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think I've put a dinner. I

1121
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,400
don't think that's I I don't think I'll learn it

1122
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,039
all in my lifetime, but I'm kind of onto a

1123
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:49,639
lot of the stuff as well as badly, you know.

1124
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,239
And and this is why we're always on their scope

1125
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,000
always now we know on their scale, you know, because

1126
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,079
they're always watching and always around, you know.

1127
01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 4: Yes, So I was going to said, so do you

1128
01:02:01,079 --> 01:02:04,159
do you feel them around all the time? Then, well,

1129
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,519
you know, when when you're having a shower or when

1130
01:02:06,519 --> 01:02:09,800
you're having well, beave.

1131
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:12,599
Speaker 3: Kind of normal, Lise. But what happens is is that

1132
01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:15,639
I'll get a certain feeling and myself and buried the same.

1133
01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:17,360
It's like the taste of a lemon. You never forget

1134
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,960
the taste. And I'll usually say all right, okay, all right,

1135
01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:26,039
so we did something here tonight, you know, and usually

1136
01:02:26,159 --> 01:02:28,559
they just like to play tricks and annoy you and

1137
01:02:28,719 --> 01:02:31,400
usually just shower them, you know, lose temper with them.

1138
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,840
But sometimes it's it's things which are if depending on

1139
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,480
the research we do. We know we know because we

1140
01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:40,559
can tell well, why is that happening? We're doing that

1141
01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:42,760
same a research again, but I mean we it's half

1142
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,280
and boy works in you know, Samarian demonology for a

1143
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,280
while in vocation and no King in vocation and stuff.

1144
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,880
This is the same thing that Alista Crowley was involved

1145
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,920
in in the you know, in the invocation of Lamb

1146
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,679
and chat Parsons and stuff like that, which they were

1147
01:02:58,679 --> 01:03:01,320
doing it as well, so we wanted to We did

1148
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,480
study that area as well very well. And we know

1149
01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:10,239
the trigger responses to get reactions from the phenomena usually

1150
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:14,199
want something in the term I wouldn't give them, and

1151
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,519
sometimes when dealing with that, then you're dealing with something

1152
01:03:18,679 --> 01:03:20,840
sort the chain is a little bit more. Should we say,

1153
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:24,840
there are simple things that they just won't answer for,

1154
01:03:25,239 --> 01:03:28,239
you know, you know, they just will talents they'll tell us,

1155
01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:30,599
they won't tell us, but these things have replied that,

1156
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:32,480
you know, we can reappear to be what you want

1157
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:34,440
us to or we use They've actually even used the

1158
01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:40,559
mask themselves in communications. So yeah, I mean we've got

1159
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:43,280
to a point where we were we're identifying what it

1160
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,639
isn't m hm, which is more so than what it is.

1161
01:03:47,639 --> 01:03:51,039
Whatever this source is, if it's if it's godly or whatever,

1162
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,400
you know what we want to call it. It's the source.

1163
01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:57,239
It's responsible for the lot. And you think about it,

1164
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,400
three thousand different varied aliens going for all these differ planets.

1165
01:04:00,519 --> 01:04:02,599
It just sound like a Star Wars episode. Oh and

1166
01:04:02,719 --> 01:04:04,519
rolled by people on two arms, two legs, two eyes

1167
01:04:04,599 --> 01:04:05,559
and the nose and so on.

1168
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 4: Star Trek, isn't that.

1169
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, if you want to see someone alien, just

1170
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,079
go to the bottom of the North Sea, you know,

1171
01:04:10,159 --> 01:04:12,960
I mean, it's you know, I mean, it's just you

1172
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:14,960
look at it and you think hard it's narrative is

1173
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,800
striving bloody potty, you know, And the lawyers give you

1174
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:19,480
the good old one line as oh, we're here to

1175
01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:21,519
save planet Earth. Really, why what we've done? You know,

1176
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:23,639
you've done nothing. In fact, you should have done it

1177
01:04:23,679 --> 01:04:26,239
twenty five years ago, because we've gone past saving Earth. Now,

1178
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:27,960
that's why all the money's being spent looking in for

1179
01:04:28,039 --> 01:04:30,440
new planet Earth. Because we pressed the button today, it's

1180
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,480
going to take twenty five years the machine to stop,

1181
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,800
and we're only twenty five years gone by, you know,

1182
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:41,199
so there's no returning on that. So what they've done? None? Nothing.

1183
01:04:41,679 --> 01:04:43,960
Oh so you're here to save humanity, all right? So

1184
01:04:44,159 --> 01:04:47,000
what what we've done about warring? Millions of lives being

1185
01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:51,639
killed every other week or so? Absolutely nothing? So basically

1186
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:53,800
you tell us that you're here to save planet Earth,

1187
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:55,920
but you've done nothing, and here's the safe humanity and

1188
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,440
done nothing. Okay, well, you know, presing the pudding. As

1189
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,719
far as I'm concerned, it's like your one liner if

1190
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,840
you come across the humans, this is what you say.

1191
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,280
You know, it's it's the old one liners, you know,

1192
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,519
because it's just we're onto them, buddy. You know. That's

1193
01:05:08,599 --> 01:05:09,719
that's as simply as it.

1194
01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 4: It sort of strikes me then in a way that

1195
01:05:12,719 --> 01:05:18,079
this this this phenomena is feeding off as isn't it

1196
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:18,880
feeding off?

1197
01:05:20,519 --> 01:05:22,719
Speaker 3: It's yeah, some of it, all of it. Some of

1198
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:23,159
it does.

1199
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, some of it is britten off our emotions. So

1200
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:30,400
it's not gonna it's not gonna come here to save us. Well,

1201
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,599
it might do because it needs us, doesn't it Is

1202
01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:35,039
that how it comes across that it needs us?

1203
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think we're definitely. I mean we might

1204
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,760
be a byproduct of something that they created. To be

1205
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,320
honest with you, we like cattle to them. Of course,

1206
01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:48,760
Yeah it did, isn't it. I mean, I mean it's

1207
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:54,400
no different than us being godlets who are gazelle. Gazelle

1208
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,599
think when we when we take it and analyze it.

1209
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,840
Sometimes we might take it in and feed it and

1210
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,320
you know, it's let's heal it, let's feed it, and

1211
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:03,920
it'll go away to the crowd and say I've had

1212
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,440
a wonderful experience. But then the guy next to me,

1213
01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:10,280
he's tagging him, taking him down and you know, doing

1214
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,239
some medical tests on which might be a bit painful,

1215
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,400
we don't know, and it's going to go fly back

1216
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:16,559
there and saying where do.

1217
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:17,119
Speaker 4: You belave it?

1218
01:06:17,239 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 3: You know. So it's it's different really than always trying

1219
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:25,840
to understand like an ant trying to understand us. You know,

1220
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,480
it's it's we could we can't go our heads around

1221
01:06:29,559 --> 01:06:33,920
this because they're so masterful that they've got us exactly

1222
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,760
where they want us. They manipulate us, our perceptions, our

1223
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:42,119
physical aspects and psychological aspects. And if once you nail

1224
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:43,960
that down, then there's not a lot we can do.

1225
01:06:44,119 --> 01:06:46,599
To be honest with you, we ain't got no control

1226
01:06:46,679 --> 01:06:48,920
over this, and that's why we won't get disclosure because

1227
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,079
bottom line, you can't drop this on the laps of

1228
01:06:52,119 --> 01:06:55,400
the ger more public. Never digest it. Never.

1229
01:06:55,880 --> 01:07:00,159
Speaker 4: I'm going to say there will be panic. So that's

1230
01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:06,880
probably an understatement. So do the top echellons of world

1231
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,079
government know about this phenomena? Have they dealt with it?

1232
01:07:10,719 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 3: Oh? A long time?

1233
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 4: For a long time. This is why.

1234
01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 3: I mean the whole point. I give you just one aspect.

1235
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,199
There's thousands of aspects. Let me give you one aspect.

1236
01:07:20,679 --> 01:07:23,039
Everything that we've done by getting to space is through

1237
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:27,079
them m They give us the information they were communicating

1238
01:07:27,239 --> 01:07:31,960
to rocket scientists and you know, to get us into space.

1239
01:07:32,239 --> 01:07:36,119
And they've done it. They've they've raised our technological capabilities

1240
01:07:36,159 --> 01:07:37,679
to get us to space. And it's down too. Then

1241
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,320
the hierarchy is they will go into space. This is

1242
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,679
why they won't tell you or me or the general public,

1243
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:47,719
but they pay hobbage. This is why Masonic things are

1244
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:49,679
done on the moon Prior to they moved back by

1245
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:53,000
the American blanguage and sonic sonic rituals took place. I mean,

1246
01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:56,199
and when you do certain launchers, you know, this is

1247
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,800
why they call them the godly names, Apollo and all

1248
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,039
these sorts of things, because the Greek gods that are

1249
01:08:02,039 --> 01:08:05,440
exactly the same phenomena. Greek gods were experienced. Believe or not,

1250
01:08:05,559 --> 01:08:09,519
this is not meant the Greek gods were experienced because

1251
01:08:09,519 --> 01:08:12,440
the phenomena delivered itself to them like that, just as

1252
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,000
it did with Sheba, you know, and Buddha and all

1253
01:08:16,039 --> 01:08:19,359
those other This is this is what it does. Yeah,

1254
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:23,640
And this is why the religions are so well well rooted,

1255
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,920
is because of they come from the times when these

1256
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:31,560
things were being physically interacted with and you know, some

1257
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,079
crafts as well, and the manas and things in India

1258
01:08:34,119 --> 01:08:36,199
and stuff and many others around you know, the world

1259
01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:38,600
from thousands of years ago. The thing is is that

1260
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:40,560
it's just been delivering to us in a different way

1261
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,239
into different cultures and different names, different societies, dis social,

1262
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:50,920
social upbringings. And that's the that's the biggest problem is

1263
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,720
because we all think it's separate things, that it's all

1264
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,159
just this thing acts like a virus. You know, it

1265
01:08:58,279 --> 01:09:01,000
can be passed through from bump person through another as

1266
01:09:01,039 --> 01:09:04,520
well and through association of the phenomena. So it's there's

1267
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,880
so much we've got to kind of get our heads

1268
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,920
around with this, to be honest, because we've got to

1269
01:09:11,039 --> 01:09:14,319
slowly start dissecting, putting things in the way, getting rid

1270
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:19,359
of the boxes, realizing this is the overall source of

1271
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,680
of what it's going to be, you know, relating to

1272
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,760
us in regarding our experiences with these things, but they

1273
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,319
can be anything really. You know, people have said, oh,

1274
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:31,479
there was animated toys. Woun't looked like a clown. It'd

1275
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,560
looked like a deer, It'd looked like a bird. I

1276
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,520
was a giant bunny. It was set in the road.

1277
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,119
That was another one that came from the that came

1278
01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:43,399
from the the Navajo rangers. You know, so so many

1279
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,199
different things. You know what this is all the same phenomena.

1280
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,000
If all we got to do is look at the

1281
01:09:48,039 --> 01:09:52,159
whole picture and the atap to realize, yeah, this doesn't

1282
01:09:52,239 --> 01:09:55,800
adult and now this is now they're saying, is they're

1283
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,840
all shouting out, there's no evidence of it being a

1284
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,840
stressed us Somewhere we won't say the right here, the

1285
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,680
right here, right now. We're just under right under our noses,

1286
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,399
but we don't know it because we are the most

1287
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:10,000
limited thing or living thing on this planet. Why we're

1288
01:10:10,039 --> 01:10:12,840
so you know, we're so intelligent, but why we're the

1289
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:18,159
most limited thing. Well, with intelligence comes knowledge. We can't

1290
01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:22,079
have that. So what the humans are naturally limited right down,

1291
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:25,840
worse than any insect, worse than any animal you'll meet.

1292
01:10:26,119 --> 01:10:30,760
We're the worst on the planet. You know, our limited site, hearing, sense, smell, everything, touch,

1293
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,079
it is we've been limited so that we are blind

1294
01:10:35,239 --> 01:10:38,760
to what's around us. Even our wepet cat knows more

1295
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:42,199
about what's what's around us than even we do, you know.

1296
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,880
And and yet you know it's it's crazy, but it's

1297
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,479
we there's way we've been humanly designed to where these

1298
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,039
massive blinkers so that we can't see what's around us.

1299
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,359
It's all part and parts of the creation of humanity

1300
01:10:56,399 --> 01:10:58,439
in the sense of speaking that we were never supposed

1301
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,159
to peer through the doorway through the bails to the gods.

1302
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,439
And when you do and you realize that, well, you know,

1303
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,079
whatever this thing is, it's been with us forever and

1304
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:10,720
it can be anything he wants to be and interacts

1305
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,640
any time he wants to be. If you gain its eye,

1306
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,359
it interacts with you, does have a sting in his tail.

1307
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:20,439
Sometimes may be not careful, other times it can be rewarded,

1308
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:25,760
especially to those that are inventors, musicians, people are going

1309
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,520
to change and society in the world. They've been interacting

1310
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,199
with us a long time. This but on it still

1311
01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:34,119
does it today. But the science how it's got to

1312
01:11:34,199 --> 01:11:36,760
the stars, no matter if it's the Germans, no matter

1313
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:38,800
if it's the Russians, no matter if it's the UK

1314
01:11:39,039 --> 01:11:42,880
or US. The top scientists all got the download information,

1315
01:11:43,119 --> 01:11:45,520
all got told, all into In fact, most of them

1316
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,399
were actually in occult rituals and we're communicating with non

1317
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:50,600
human intelligence. Is to get the information is what Jack

1318
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,840
Parsons did. And this is why you've been able to

1319
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,560
go into work on a Tuesday morning and build a

1320
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,800
rocket and people think, how the hell did he do that? Well,

1321
01:11:58,039 --> 01:12:00,399
because you told how to do it it and it

1322
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,279
was achievable. But to do that, though, you've got to

1323
01:12:03,399 --> 01:12:06,600
pay homage. And this is why the secret is still

1324
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,840
paying homage today. We're still doing it's still launchers happening

1325
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,640
now and if you see somebody, you don't see them

1326
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,199
because they're not in the public domain. But I've seen

1327
01:12:14,279 --> 01:12:16,159
some of these details of these launchers. And if you

1328
01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:18,199
look at the sides of these crafts, they've got eno

1329
01:12:18,359 --> 01:12:21,760
key in symbolism on it. They've got ancient Latin symbols

1330
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:26,399
on it. It's homage writing and language to the disease

1331
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:28,960
intelligences and thanking them with us to getting nuts to

1332
01:12:29,039 --> 01:12:32,560
the stars. And they all know where, but they don't

1333
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:34,439
talk about it. It's like the big bush bush.

1334
01:12:35,119 --> 01:12:37,600
Speaker 4: So why why do they want us to go to

1335
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:38,560
the stars? Do you think?

1336
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 3: No idea? What they seemingly the problem about is is

1337
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,079
that they're advancing us. This is why UFOs crashing. Do

1338
01:12:44,119 --> 01:12:47,000
you think they're gonna, Oh, let's just crash a ufo.

1339
01:12:47,079 --> 01:12:49,640
I mean it's just oh this UFO has just falling

1340
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,479
apart in the sky, always broken down. Oh it's crashed,

1341
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:56,760
Oh it's blowing up, or pieces have fell off. These

1342
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:00,199
are offerings in the hierarchy, in my circles, in my

1343
01:13:01,119 --> 01:13:03,359
in my thin and some things I can't say. Well,

1344
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,560
what I can say is these are referred to is

1345
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:10,920
gifting fields. They're referred to as offerings these are done

1346
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:15,760
on purpose. The sacrifices are biologics and technology. So because

1347
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:19,600
they already advance us secretly through the military process first

1348
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,600
fifty sixty eighty years eventually came to the public domain

1349
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,880
one way or the other. Time is a whole different

1350
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,880
thing to them as it is to us, but it

1351
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,479
does advance us. You know, these things are being done purposeful.

1352
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,479
There's nothing comes down accidentally. You know, it's obviously gonna suddenly,

1353
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,439
you know, because these craft, this is these aren't things

1354
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:44,399
that transports for the phenomena. The craft is the phenomena.

1355
01:13:45,279 --> 01:13:46,600
That's what they don't recognize.

1356
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:51,119
Speaker 4: So just one last question, if you don't mind.

1357
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 3: Sure, if the.

1358
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,039
Speaker 4: Top petial loves of government know about this and I'm

1359
01:13:58,079 --> 01:14:01,640
working with them, do you think there will ever be

1360
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:03,960
a time where they will hold their hands up and say, well,

1361
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,520
actually this is what's going on or do you think

1362
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,800
it is just so mind bending so you.

1363
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 3: Never do that because they need control. Yeah, with you

1364
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,720
know a lot of most people work and you know,

1365
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:19,479
keep your head down getting all the life. You don't

1366
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:23,199
ask any question. That order has been there from you know,

1367
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,359
ancient times, were it was formulated in ancient times. The

1368
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,920
process is still working today. You know, it's called the

1369
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,000
fair process. It's called government, how it governs. I mean,

1370
01:14:33,039 --> 01:14:36,800
think of the word governing over what what? Well, if

1371
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,199
we're not different, then there's no one's going over, you know.

1372
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:43,399
So even in the word means divide, I mean, and

1373
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,640
this is what it was in sumary days, going back,

1374
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,119
you can go back, back, back back. It was employed

1375
01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:50,920
that same process as modern today. But it's seeked through

1376
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:55,359
those are inducting into those sorts of things, a hierarchy

1377
01:14:55,520 --> 01:15:01,079
are bought. Unaware of these things. Sometimes I actually will

1378
01:15:01,239 --> 01:15:03,640
pay homage and numerous different ways. You know where the

1379
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,439
god are tunnel, because tunnel in the world that went

1380
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:11,479
through Switzerland, the massive underground tunnels for the training system

1381
01:15:12,199 --> 01:15:17,039
as a whole Satanic opening ceremony where delegates all over

1382
01:15:17,079 --> 01:15:19,680
the world came, you know, and it's to pay. It's

1383
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,640
nothing to do about we go, oh my god, they're

1384
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,319
all saying worships. No, it's not, it's just it's just

1385
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:29,520
in a it's a mask. It's you know, it's recognizing

1386
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,319
that this is a mass sort of the pharo the

1387
01:15:31,319 --> 01:15:35,159
phenomenal recognizes is for them. So thank you, please make

1388
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:38,039
it successful, Please make us healthy and wealthy and all

1389
01:15:38,079 --> 01:15:40,319
those sort of things. Yeah, it kind of works. I

1390
01:15:40,399 --> 01:15:42,439
think eventually might get I don't know what happens at

1391
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:46,119
the end of it, you know, but they're rewarded to

1392
01:15:46,279 --> 01:15:50,800
some degree in it being being success. And that's happening

1393
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:55,000
at every level around the world by those that know.

1394
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:59,920
And this is why you know, we we build medical

1395
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:09,039
not medical weapons, these different types of weapons that we

1396
01:16:09,159 --> 01:16:12,359
use now chemical weapon sites have been relocated to negative

1397
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:17,319
anomalies in association to the homaging of these things. And

1398
01:16:17,399 --> 01:16:20,439
it's successful and it's good for them, and you know,

1399
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,880
but there's all that people think it's a really dark side.

1400
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,760
It isn't. It's just because it's also to put these

1401
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,079
names and things to it. It's all just if you

1402
01:16:29,119 --> 01:16:30,960
forget the face of it and the names of it,

1403
01:16:31,119 --> 01:16:34,920
it's all the same thing. But yes, it's it's it's

1404
01:16:35,279 --> 01:16:41,000
there is a divide and I am aware, absolutely aware

1405
01:16:41,159 --> 01:16:44,920
of the people knowing about this, you know, but they

1406
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:48,680
don't talk about it. Keep it quiet.

1407
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 4: Wow. Well, all I can say is I am absolutely

1408
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,720
blown away. There's an awful lot.

1409
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 3: Well, do you know what most people in this subject,

1410
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,640
you know, I mean everybody, but most of them are

1411
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,359
on the they're trying to make the best out of

1412
01:17:04,359 --> 01:17:08,600
the known narrative. We left that narrated long ago. Yeah,

1413
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,840
but eventually you know that they'll get frustrated because they

1414
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,880
hit a bit. Well, they won't go no further, and

1415
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,520
they can't because they think, why am I not getting anything? Well,

1416
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,560
it's because you've just boxed yourself into the box you

1417
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:25,039
work in. Yeah, get rid of the box, get rid

1418
01:17:25,119 --> 01:17:29,800
of the narrative. Don't believe what you're told. Yeah, yeah,

1419
01:17:30,079 --> 01:17:31,319
I mean we get the next time we get with

1420
01:17:31,399 --> 01:17:34,399
somebody who goes and gets abducted by this phenomena. Of course,

1421
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,920
you're always taken to their environment. Don't last long in

1422
01:17:37,039 --> 01:17:39,760
our environment. That's the whole other story about the immunity system.

1423
01:17:40,239 --> 01:17:45,079
But the program and we really have a bad experience actually,

1424
01:17:45,119 --> 01:17:46,840
but they don't remember it, and so they go it's

1425
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:48,800
all great, all love the night. They'll go and tell

1426
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:50,840
a research and that research or write a book and

1427
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,079
forty thousand people who read that book and go, oh,

1428
01:17:53,159 --> 01:17:56,920
it's all all over light. Yeah, that's the phenomena. At

1429
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:58,640
the end of the day, all it wants is homage.

1430
01:17:59,159 --> 01:18:03,079
It it likes, it's flocked. Yeah, it's a question what

1431
01:18:03,159 --> 01:18:06,600
you're praying to. Always question what you're bringing in. Bring

1432
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:08,520
in the Holy Spirit. What's the Holy Spirit?

1433
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 4: I was going to say, is there a God aspect

1434
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:12,159
to this?

1435
01:18:13,119 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 3: The God aspects is part and part of of the narrative.

1436
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:20,680
The sauce is the source. We've got different names for them.

1437
01:18:21,319 --> 01:18:25,560
They can present themselves in different ways, and we've got ours.

1438
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:27,880
It's called you know, we call it God. You know,

1439
01:18:28,199 --> 01:18:30,000
if you go to the Old Testament, our God had

1440
01:18:30,039 --> 01:18:33,039
his bad days and would smite people. He even asked

1441
01:18:33,079 --> 01:18:39,399
people to sacrifice the sons to him blood wish o work.

1442
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:42,439
God me no different than the mains as tech Acres

1443
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:45,439
and any other God around the world. They've all wanted

1444
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,640
their pound of flesh at some point. And this is

1445
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,199
what Jack Parsons had. You know, when Jack Parsons said, well,

1446
01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:52,520
do you know what, We'll give you the geological location

1447
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,319
to go out to a certain location to interact with us.

1448
01:18:55,399 --> 01:18:57,600
Where was it middle of my Harvey desert? What did

1449
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,319
he do to have to gain information from him? Well,

1450
01:19:00,359 --> 01:19:01,920
he had to give them a sample of his own blood,

1451
01:19:02,319 --> 01:19:05,840
which was a blood offering. It's a sacrifice. I didn't realize,

1452
01:19:06,279 --> 01:19:09,520
but that's what it was was give them something in return. Oh,

1453
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,560
these always want something something normally in return, so you

1454
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,079
know it's and then half of it. Sometimes he give

1455
01:19:15,119 --> 01:19:18,159
you disinformation on purpose. Sometimes this is why they've real society.

1456
01:19:18,279 --> 01:19:22,880
We're doing it by Boeing, Bell and Douglas. Our company's

1457
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:26,239
got around sales tables to trying to get information from

1458
01:19:26,319 --> 01:19:29,800
them about advanced aviation. It's it's been going on for

1459
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:34,520
a long, long long time. But it's it's not so

1460
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:37,600
much like, oh, is it a guard or this is

1461
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:41,840
the source. We've just got to get off that. We've

1462
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,319
got to train ourselves not to get out of what

1463
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:47,119
they've done for years and years and years of this narrative.

1464
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:49,840
And once you realize, you're trying to kind of have

1465
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:53,720
a light bulb moment and go, bloody hell. You know, well,

1466
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:55,840
we've been trying to figure out what the hell that is,

1467
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,800
but we didn't even need to be there because that

1468
01:19:58,039 --> 01:20:00,880
box doesn't even exist. They created that. We're wondering how

1469
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,039
to work out what's going on in that box? Why

1470
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:06,760
forget the box? You know, it's that's the whole point

1471
01:20:07,159 --> 01:20:09,359
of this, And eventually it's been people get a little

1472
01:20:09,399 --> 01:20:12,239
bit unstuck when it comes to research, because they won't

1473
01:20:12,239 --> 01:20:14,800
go no further and they'll try and figure out, well,

1474
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,279
why what else do we need to do. Basically, there's

1475
01:20:18,319 --> 01:20:21,079
a whole process needs to change and what's needed to

1476
01:20:21,119 --> 01:20:24,239
be done here in the approach of investigation and research.

1477
01:20:24,359 --> 01:20:28,000
So for me, I've been lucky. Don't tell me. I

1478
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,520
considering myself very lucky to be able to talk to

1479
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:36,399
academics and professors and certain people which are open to

1480
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:38,720
talk to me about things I can't talk about to

1481
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,159
the public, but I get to find out stuff, and

1482
01:20:41,239 --> 01:20:44,680
I can certainly say the reality we live in is

1483
01:20:45,039 --> 01:20:50,479
massively different than what we think. But if you want

1484
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:54,680
the follow the narrative which is comfortable, you can get.

1485
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,039
You can manage it. You know, you can hold your

1486
01:20:57,079 --> 01:20:59,199
head down and you can go on with work and

1487
01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:01,520
never look up and happen any questions. You'll get through

1488
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:04,880
your life. For me, though, you know, I think to myself, God,

1489
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:06,640
there's more than a life, and this has got to

1490
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:08,399
do so much more out there, and you have to

1491
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:11,880
pry open it like a bad can, and when you

1492
01:21:12,039 --> 01:21:14,720
do you might realize some size. Well it doesn't always

1493
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:18,319
smell sweet inside, but it is what it is. You know.

1494
01:21:19,279 --> 01:21:21,279
The problem is is that we only know how to

1495
01:21:21,399 --> 01:21:24,520
describe something from with the learning of description, and this

1496
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,439
is the biggest problem. It's a source. At the end

1497
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:29,520
of the day, even AI is telling us that it's

1498
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:33,840
a source everything. Even AI pointed out that everything is

1499
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:38,760
connected power and almost supernatural eucological critics. Everything is because

1500
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,640
of its connectivity. You AI sorted that out very quickly,

1501
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,880
but it said what was responsible? He said, the source?

1502
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:48,399
Wherever that source is, is it God? We have to

1503
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,159
come up with a name. Then, yeah, it's dot.

1504
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:54,560
Speaker 4: You know, well, it's been It's been an absolute eye

1505
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:59,600
opener to say, thank you, Yeah, welcome, it's been amazing,

1506
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:05,000
so into you, really unbelievable subject. I hope that that

1507
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:08,840
you know, the people that have listened to this podcasters

1508
01:22:09,279 --> 01:22:11,960
as blown away as I have been in this, I'm sure.

1509
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,239
Speaker 3: They Where can I'm still learning myself here?

1510
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 4: I think. I think we're all learning, we all learned

1511
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:23,600
through life. But where can people get in contact with you? Saved?

1512
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,239
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, basically, most people in so many

1513
01:22:27,279 --> 01:22:29,439
different places in touch with me. I would just normally say,

1514
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:33,119
put Steve Mirror in mr Right, Steve Mirror into any

1515
01:22:33,199 --> 01:22:37,159
Google will pop up somewhere. I've always made myself easy

1516
01:22:37,239 --> 01:22:39,880
to get hold of. You know, my details are out there.

1517
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,079
I've never you know, people have said to me, I

1518
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:44,319
can't believe all and managed to speak to you. I said, well,

1519
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:47,039
I've always done that. I meant, I've not been to

1520
01:22:47,119 --> 01:22:49,680
hide my phone numbers up over the internet, emails there.

1521
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,840
I just get in touch and I've always been helpful

1522
01:22:52,119 --> 01:22:55,960
because the work I've done over forty one years now

1523
01:22:56,079 --> 01:22:59,000
is about delivering it into a lot of researchers. Don't

1524
01:22:59,039 --> 01:23:02,119
you know which mind? Well, what is the point. The

1525
01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:04,079
old point is trying to advance this and get and

1526
01:23:04,079 --> 01:23:06,439
we get people to kind of understand what the reality

1527
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,119
is like around them. We might be all together eventually

1528
01:23:09,119 --> 01:23:12,680
it's figures something out, but it's always out there. So yeah,

1529
01:23:13,359 --> 01:23:17,439
I would say my email address s Underscore memor at

1530
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,920
yahoo dot com. You can get in touch me through

1531
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,800
Phenomena Magazine dot co dot uk, which is the CEO

1532
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:27,760
of Phenomena Magazine. So that had come my direction. My

1533
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:31,800
own official YouTube channel is Steve Merror Official. A lot

1534
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:33,760
of my work I put out on project always on

1535
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:37,159
there so anybody can watch it. I've readly putting content

1536
01:23:37,319 --> 01:23:41,119
out but most people just trying to tap me up

1537
01:23:41,239 --> 01:23:44,279
somewhere out there on.

1538
01:23:46,359 --> 01:23:48,399
Speaker 4: It's been an absolute pleasure to talk to you. Thank

1539
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:52,159
you for taking the time to do It's been as

1540
01:23:52,159 --> 01:23:56,880
I said, it's been a real eye owner subjects. It's fascinating,

1541
01:23:56,920 --> 01:24:00,840
fascinating subject so it's been great.

1542
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:03,359
Speaker 3: No, well, thank you for having me on, Craig, and

1543
01:24:04,039 --> 01:24:05,800
and keep in touch if you want to come back.

1544
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:09,279
Speaker 4: On some time and let me absolutely see. I'd love

1545
01:24:09,359 --> 01:24:11,640
to speech you again. And I really what I've got

1546
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:13,520
a I've got a funny feeling. There's a lot more

1547
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:14,640
to talk about.

1548
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:17,600
Speaker 3: That's just doped the coffee.

1549
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,039
Speaker 4: It's been fantastic, Thank you so much and I hope

1550
01:24:22,039 --> 01:24:23,000
to speak to you again soon.

1551
01:24:23,359 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 3: You're welcome, Craig, Thanks very much, thank you, Bye.

1552
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 4: Bye tech care. You can visit my website at www

1553
01:24:29,039 --> 01:24:31,199
dot Craig Bryant dot co dot uk.

1554
01:24:32,039 --> 01:24:36,279
Speaker 2: Paramal Pendle will return and remember to keep watching the shadows.