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Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro was counting upon the boomer mind matrix, still

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controlling everybody in the neokon normy conservative world con inc world.

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That No, it's all just in competence. There's all just

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you know, the Libs. There's no Plan, there's no Klaus

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schwa there's no Davos, there's no builder Berg, there's no

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you know, Apak that's trying to run American foreign policy.

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Speaker 2: Now, none of that exists. All that exists is.

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Speaker 1: The Libs, the incompetent, the retarded libs. Well, one of

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the most powerful wealthy men in America, David Rockefeller, as

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we all know, he wrote a book called Memoirs and

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on page four oh four, it's kind of even shocking

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that we have to still talk about and defend this.

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I mean, this is twenty twenty five. It's not nineteen

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ninety five. I can understand normy conservatives, you know, freaking

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out about this stuff back in the nineties, but.

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Speaker 2: This is twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: This is after global policies around wearing BDSM masks to

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fight off some virus that's going to kill everybody.

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Speaker 2: This is not that era anymore.

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Speaker 1: And I think Ben Shapiro doesn't realize he's cooked. To

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use the gen Z term, his time is already over

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because people can within a few seconds. I'm go and

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look up and see the David Rockefeller wroote a chapter

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called Proud Internationalists where he says, if you say that

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I'm guilty of wanning a global government and a new order,

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I stand guilty as charged absolutely, And he says that's why.

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Speaker 2: I created.

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Speaker 1: The Council Foreign Relations Trial Out or Commission, et cetera.

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That's not all he created. He says that we also

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were involved in supporting and funding the Dullest Brothers who

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were really sort of front people for the Rockefellers, and

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that's why they became the founders of the OSS and

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CIA along with Bill Donovan and others to really get

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that flagship deep state operation going. So if we get

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into the history not from conspiracy theorists, the history from

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Council and Foreign Relationship archivists, much like Carol Quickly, there's

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one called britt May Burton Hirst. The Old Boys, the

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Old Boy Network is referring to the old OSS and

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CIA network, and even prior to that, back to the

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Woodrow Wilson administration, the Inquiry which was a bunch of

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academics who operated as kind of the proto cia of

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Speaker 3: The government bears Alex Jones, who has the largest audience

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in the country, bigger than any of the networks, the

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biggest megaphone in the country.

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Speaker 4: The deep State hates Alex Jones with a vengeance.

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Speaker 5: Alex Jones is the most extraordinary pushing I've ever met.

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Speaker 3: Best selling author researcher Jade eyre of Jason Aalyis's takes

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Speaker 2: You, Alex.

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Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro talked about the shadowy groups.

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Speaker 2: The shadowy confanter.

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Speaker 1: I see that nobody identifies, no one talks about. Well,

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that's simply not true, as anybody who's listened to this

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broadcast knows and has heard Alex's name names for years, with.

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Speaker 3: The receipts, with their own videos, with their own books.

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But you do it even more than our whole library

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of them. I mean, it's we're about to do it.

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Speaker 1: So everything behind me is naming names. So like the

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whole the whole backdrop is naming names and looks.

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Speaker 3: Of course, there's people, excuse me of a conspiracy for

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world government to take overall.

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Speaker 5: Guilty is charged.

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Speaker 1: David Rockefeller has multiple chapters in his memoirs about uh

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creating a global government, about helping to found Builderbergh.

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Speaker 2: The book I'm reading.

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Speaker 1: Right now is a CFR historian Burton Hirsch, So this

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counts as something along the lines of Tragy Hope by

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Caryl Quickly.

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Speaker 2: This is the Old Boys.

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Speaker 1: Is the history of the CIA and the OSS coming

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out of the wealthy families like the Rockefellers, and support

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from the Rothchilds as well British intelligence helps to set out.

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Speaker 3: Now, I'm gonna shut up because you're a real historian

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on this. I should have thought of that. You're like

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the guy with their own quotes. These are their books,

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didn't just say that we never name the shadow he leeds.

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and to never give you policy. All we do is

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then develop policy ideas, many of which get adopted. Like

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everything he says is a lie. You want to play

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the short clips people having context? Yeah, please, guy's queue up.

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Ben Shapiro last not attacking me and others. It goes

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tarpedo boats came to save them. The torpedoes were loving

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little gift packages. Here's a little bit, Shapiro.

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the solutions. That's what politics was supposed to be about,

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after all, finding solutions to our problems. If we speak

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endlessly about the problems we face without ever positing a

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solution other than wrecking the system or centralizing power in

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occult like figure, we are not finding solutions. We are

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merely making problems worse, just asking questions, positing vague conspiracies,

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raving like Alex Jones about the secret confederacies that control

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your life. None of it makes your life better, none

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of it, in fact, it makes your life markedly worse.

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in your life is in your control, you can't even

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Speaker 2: Your own life.

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Speaker 4: You despair of your ability to change your own circumstances,

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and then you fail, and you must not fail.

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Speaker 3: No, if you can't expose the secret control system it's

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not even secret, the publisher signorant, then you can never

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get back control, and we've been getting back control. How

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about don't take the shots. Here's top experts whistleblower from Pfizer,

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their former vice president, heat of vaccine before the shots

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and give you vaccine induced age and everything that's happened

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in turbo cancers. No, no, no, we are giving you solutions.

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Speaker 5: You supported the lockdowns. I mean, he is such.

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Speaker 3: A paper tiger. I'm going to shut up now. I

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Speaker 1: Well, it's also gaslighting too, because he said that you

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never proposed solutions, when in fact, this audience is the

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spearhead of waking people up to take action and to

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not be black pilled. So really, in you know, logical fallacies,

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on my channel, for example, we've lectured through them for

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the last ten years, and I've been reading those texts

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it's very public. But Ben Shapiro was counting upon the

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no plan, there's no Klaus Schwa, there's no Davos, there's

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Speaker 2: Now, none of that exists. All that exists is.

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Speaker 1: The libs, the incompetent, the retarded libs. Well, one of

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the most powerful wealthy men in America, David Rockefeller, as

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is twenty twenty five. It's not nineteen

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Speaker 1: I can understand normy conservatives, you know, freaking out about

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Speaker 2: This is twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: This is after global policies around wearing BDSM masks to

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fight off some you know, virus that's going to kill everybody.

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he says, if you say that I'm guilty of wanning

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a global government and a new order, I stand guilty

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as charged absolutely, And he says that's why I created

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the Council Foreign Relations Trial Out or Commission, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: That want there to be wars.

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the shots. That's exactly what these NGOs think. Tanks foundations

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Speaker 2: That's his goal, that's his job. Now. There might be.

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Speaker 1: Factions and divisions amongst the elites at times, and they

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dons do. Alex has played that clip many times of

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the Godfather sitting around at the table with the other

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mafia dons, the Five Families, and they're talking about whether

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they're going to start selling drugs or not. What we're

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policies of depopulation, to enforce things like international socialism, Fabian socialism.

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Speaker 2: It's that all of those things have.

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Speaker 1: Been pushed at a very high level, not just by

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these very wealthy, elite oligarchical families that are smart enough

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Speaker 1: Before it never existed, And you're crazy if you talk

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good thing. Right, all these gay journalism taking gay journalism titles.

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We actually have so many historical texts. And I studied

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an undergrad I one class away from a double major

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in history in philosophy, So for me, history was very important.

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We don't know how we got to where we are

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if we don't understand.

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Speaker 2: Where we were.

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Speaker 1: So in history repeats, there's always these kinds of cycles.

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very influential on Henry Kissinger's thought, Spangler talks about cycles

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of history and civilizations having a kind of a organic

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lifespan and then they have a flourishing and then they

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have a collapse after a while, and usually that collapse

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has to do with degeneracy, laziness, you know, and the

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importation of third world or foreign entities to destroy the

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existing population, weapons of mass migration, as Kelly Greenhill's book discusses, Well,

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the elites, the power elite, they know all about this,

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and they've studied this from many, many, many centuries, perhaps

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even millennia.

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Speaker 2: If you go back into you know.

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Speaker 1: Old elite families of the black nobility and the mediicies

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and those kinds of families. They've understood bureaucracy and how

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to manage big populations.

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Speaker 2: But it's just a treasure.

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Speaker 1: I would say when we have admissions in the books

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and a lot of people say to me, why do

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you care about what? So we know there's a new

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world order? Who cares what these books say? Well, it's

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more than that. It's not just admissions. It's also understanding

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how they rule men, how they create organizations and steer them,

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co opt them, and even things like staging elections, throwing elections,

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how assassinations occur, because there's been a long history of

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elite assassinations and government officials being taken out. Most famously,

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we've just had the Charlie Kirk assassination. Which there are

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I think valid questions that should be asked. Doesn't mean

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I agree with everything that Candace says. It's just there's

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nothing wrong with asking these questions. Is they want to

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weaponize question asking. It's the very thing that Ben Shapiro said,

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if you ask these questions, it's only.

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Speaker 2: Because you're malicious.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's nothing more effeminate than debating and calling into

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question everybody's motives, because you can't prove or disprove motives

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unless you have somebody's explicit DMS or emails.

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Speaker 2: Saying, ah, I have bad motives, I'm going to screw

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everything up. There's no way to prove or disprove motives.

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Speaker 1: So it's a very shady, slimy tactic to say that

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the only reason Tucker or anybody would raise questions this

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is because they have bad motives and they're funded by

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Katar and all this nonsense, when the establishment itself has

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said many times over in their works there are confederacies

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of open elites.

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Speaker 2: It's not unknown, it's open. And so, for.

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Speaker 1: Example, many writers who do write about this from more

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of a conspiracy critical perspective. They talk about a wasp

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Zionist alliance that has occurred in the last several decades.

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Tragi and Hope and Anglo American Establishment that was late sixties,

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seventies and then nineteen eighty two, I think for Angle

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American establishment it kind of leaves off with yeah, the

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Rothchells are involved, but where then, Well, since the Cold

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play out that great for the Wasps over time, because

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they ended up losing a lot of power, especially in

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the dumbain of foreign policy, to the Apex Zionist alliance.

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we have to understand that there was a desire to

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have a world war, not because everybody was in on

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it or everybody understood the full plan, but that the

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thought was that out of a world war, we could

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have global governance if everyone saw how bad a giant

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global conflict was, and then we could get what League

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of Nations world War One.

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Speaker 2: Well, that didn't pass.

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Speaker 1: It failed, The Wilsonian plans didn't come to full fruition.

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And Wilson was an agent of Colonel Edwin mandel House,

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of the Rothschilds, of the British elite banking circles.

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Speaker 2: So this is now on record.

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Speaker 1: Not just from Anthony Sutton and people that wrote about

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that many decades ago, but yet another global elite text

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admits that Colonel Edwin mandel House played a key role

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in maneuvering, blackmailing, and positioning the Woodrow Wilson administration to

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ensure that America would begin its move towards soft socialism

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Fabian socialism, capitalistic socialism, and it was very crucial to

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include and utilize figures like the Dullest Brothers, Bill Donovan

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and others.

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Speaker 2: So when we talk about this book Old Boys, which.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be lecturing through the whole text on

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my channel on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: If you want to see the full lectures, you can

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go follow me.

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Speaker 1: There is that the beginning of the American superstructure of

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intelligence is not necessarily a assess.

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Speaker 2: It's the World War One era of the inquiry.

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Speaker 1: And this included key figures like Colonel Edwin mandel House,

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John Maynard Keynes, the famed Fabian socialist economists.

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Speaker 2: Even though he was not a.

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Speaker 1: Member of their society, he is the preeminent economist for

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the world, the Western world, for the twentieth century. Most institutions,

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most economic thinkers, you know New York Times writer people,

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et cetera. They are of the Kynesian ethos. They believe

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in the good of that war can actually help stimulate

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the economy, that printing money can stimulate the economy, et cetera.

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All of these principles that are opposed to you know,

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Austrian economics, et cetera. Kanesianism is what dominates, and all

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of the Intelligence operative founders, for the most part of

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the os of the Inquiry OSSCI were Kansians. They were

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Fabian socialists in their economic ideology. Even even if they

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didn't become a member of some society, they had this ideology.

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 1: It was Colonel Edwin mandel House, according to Burton Hurt,

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that dominated the Woodrow Wilson administration, and thus British Secret

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Intelligence Service operatives were already working in the West, already

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working to make sure that Woodrow Wilson pushed his fourteen points, etc.

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All the Wilsonian principles at the best of the Royal

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society rothschild elites. That's who was really wanting this operation

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to go through. That's why we get the Federal Reserve.

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Speaker 2: It's these people. It's Colonel IWA.

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Speaker 1: Mandel House that pushed Woodrow Wilson to be a supporter

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of the Federal Reserve.

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Speaker 2: And this is all Keynesian.

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Speaker 1: It is the Inquiry that dominates the Paris Peace Commission

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of nineteen nineteen. And this is where people like Bill

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Donovan excuse me, where people like Alan Dellas, the Dallas Brothers.

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Speaker 2: Et cetera.

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Speaker 1: They begin to get their start here and they are

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members of a famous law firm called Sullivan and Cromwell.

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America's move away from isolationism into internationalism. What did David

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Rockefeller say in his chapter, I'm a proud internationalist. In

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other words, America needs to be involved, not just in

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every big global conflict, but it needs to become an

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empire to police the.

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Speaker 2: World, to control the world, to run the world.

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Speaker 1: And the problem is that when you move into that

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Speaker 1: Chris, Welcome back to the fourth hour of the Elks

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Shown show. We are discussing the book The Old Boys,

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an official council form relations historians take on the origins

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of the OSS and CIA, and even the pre war

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intelligence period of World War One of the inquiry, we

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were talking about the infamous figure of Colonel Edwin mandel House,

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who by the way, wrote a book called Philip Dread

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Administrator about how a back channel, backdoor handler could control

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and cajole the president into doing what the secretive confederacy

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of shadowy people wanted done. So we're naming names, we're

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talking about people. And keep in mind Burton Hirsch is

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not a conspiracy theorist. He's a little bit on the left,

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you could say, historian from the Aspen Institute, any member

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of the Council form Relations. And this book is based

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on over one hundred declassified texts, so much like Quickly

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or something like that. And this is not, in any

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stretch of the imagination, a conspiracy text. It's all based

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on official documents, cables, etc.

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Speaker 2: Declassified papers.

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Speaker 1: The book begins going into the history of the relationship

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between the Dallas brothers, Sullivan and Cromwell, and various big

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geopolitical operations. And the reason that law firms play a

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key role here is that these institutions are very interested

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in lawfair as we know for example, and Alex's travails

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what he's had to deal with in terms of lawfair.

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Speaker 2: This is really just.

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Speaker 1: The old CIA model of not just lawfair as attacking individuals,

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but writing international law so that certain companies, corporations and

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entities can get around it, so that they have an advantage.

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So if you're wealthy enough, if you're powerful enough, if

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you're a CIA connected law firm like Sullivan and Cromwell

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was back in the days of the Dalls brothers, then

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you have the ability to, for example, create the Panama Canal.

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was creating legally the Panama Canal using Sulvan and Cromwell.

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Another figure who came to prominence in these circles was

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a person named William Bullet and bu Litt. Bullet was

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an early intelligence operative and ambassador, the first ambassador under

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the Wilson era up into FDR to the Soviets, and

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he pushed for the US to recognize the Soviet Union.

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the West and the US to recognize the Bolshevik government,

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and in turn Lenin would have to give up certain

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things like abandoning the persecution of the expatriate white Russians,

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and in certain blockades this ended up falling through. But

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you can begin to see that this was again a

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push when there was a Rockefeller Center run Bolshevik revolution

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that was all run out of New York, according to

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Anthony Sutton, and what we get from the Burton Hirst

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book is essentially a vindication of what Anthony Sutton said

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that the Bolshek Revolution was run out of Wall Street,

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not just by WASP corporations and banks and companies, but

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also by Zionists, banking interests, including the Warburgs, the Shifts,

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and others. An entity and operatives like William Bullet, who

469
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himself was a Jewish believer, or at least in some

470
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sense he was maternally from his matrilineal dissent was Jewish.

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I don't know how serious he was about it, but

472
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again we noticed that there's an often push for communism

473
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and socialism by individuals with this kind of an attitude.

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And although this failed and the League of Nations failed,

475
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you can see that the circles of Bullet, the circles

476
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of Edwin mandel House and Bullet worked directly with Colonel House.

477
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:12,839
Bullet also spent a lot of time in gallivanting around

478
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with Sigmund Freud. You can see the circles and the

479
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ideology at work here. Again, that's also the circles of Tavistock.

480
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You know, Tavistock employed some of the ideologies of Sigmund Freud,

481
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some of the ideas of Freud. And another figure in

482
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the inquiry circles, probably the most famous figure in these

483
00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:35,359
circles of the pre ossci intelligence apparatus, was Walter Lippmann.

484
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And Lippman wasn't just known for his intelligence stuff or

485
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his Tavistock affiliation. He was the creator of the founder

486
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:52,240
of public opinion. His early book was Public Opinion and

487
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,559
how to steer and craft public opinion so that it

488
00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:59,319
would support any of the war efforts that the elite

489
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want to protect. Clearly, the Rawchell zionis elite wanting America

490
00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:07,079
to participate in World War One and World War Two,

491
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but also all the way down through today's Tavistock studies

492
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on convincing people to accept the transgender agenda. And if

493
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you get deep into Tavistock, I mean they're deeply involved

494
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,400
in the critical race theory stuff. They have branches in Michigan,

495
00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:28,440
Michigan University that were pioneering studies on CRT, pioneering anti

496
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,559
white studies, et cetera. All of that comes out of

497
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:35,720
Tavistock and these individuals. The book moves on the discussion

498
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even after the failure of the legal nations, these same

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entities turning again to figure out a way to create

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international bodies and institutions that could supposedly save the world

501
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from war. So the false push for peace isn't really

502
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:59,319
about that. It's about creating international entities and organizations that

503
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benefit the These olig art elites liked the Rockefeller Foundation,

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et cetera. And the Rockfellers make up a significant part

505
00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:09,200
of the next several chapters because while Bill Donovan the

506
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:14,440
original choice man for running the OSS together with the

507
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British intelligence operatives that came and helped set that up,

508
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:23,119
Bill Donovan began as a Rockefeller Foundation worker. He was

509
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an official representative at that shape person who was involved

510
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,640
in missions to send food supplies in various conflict zones.

511
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And then he gets recruited by J. P. Morgan to

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go into meet with Lloyd George the famous labor Fabian Socialist,

513
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the Prime Minister in the UK, who was working at

514
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,720
the behest of Lionel Curtis and the Fabian Socialists and

515
00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:53,079
the Rothschilds to push socialism in the UK. Well, that

516
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:56,960
ended up impressing a lot of people, and although Donovan

517
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didn't immediately get appointed to a high level position, Herbert

518
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:03,920
Hoover was impressed with him, but appointed him to a

519
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,000
lesser position in the Philippines. But this allowed him to

520
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,079
get more intelligence experience and more of his adventurism and whatnot,

521
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:16,279
and eventually he gets promoted to being the head of

522
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the OSS.

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Speaker 2: Appointed to the head of that.

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Speaker 1: And this is at a period too, when we're supposedly

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in the midst of you know, the dangers of Nazi Germany.

526
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There's all of this threat and it turns out the

527
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:40,000
Dalles brothers not only are they aiding and supporting the

528
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financiers of Hitler like Halmar Shocked, Fritz Thissen and others

529
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:50,599
who was part of the United Steel Cartel, people like

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00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,079
Albert Vogler. It turns out the Dalles brothers all end

531
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up supporting and doing law work to help not just

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00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:04,039
the people around tiny mustache man, but also Franco. Now

533
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:06,400
you might think, well, you know, people are beginning to

534
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,039
popularize and think that Hitler is a good guy now

535
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:10,240
and they're fans.

536
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Speaker 2: Of all that.

537
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: Well, the Dolls brothers are first of all, they're not Christian.

538
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:18,799
They're not into any kind of like really based kind

539
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,079
of you know, right wing politics. They're really just power

540
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:30,680
political players, and they see the cause of Hitler as

541
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,039
something that really isn't worth America getting involved in. So

542
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:36,200
they had a kind of an America first view in

543
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,759
America vers at that time just implement not being involved

544
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:41,079
in foreign conflicts and not fighting in World War Two.

545
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Speaker 2: But the problem is that they're not some sort of.

546
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:50,119
Speaker 1: Based anti Jewish zion anti Zionist law firm. They're actually

547
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,119
pro Zionist. So you could be both. You could be

548
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:58,039
aiding and supporting the rise of Hitler and working at

549
00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:00,480
the Schroeder Bank and working at these other banks that

550
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:04,599
helped to fund and aid Hitler, and also supporting Zionism.

551
00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:07,599
And I point this out quite often, you know. Some

552
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,279
months ago I was in the studio with Alex and

553
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,799
I talked about the dual appeasement strategy that the British

554
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:17,839
elites had to goat Hitler into attacking because they wanted

555
00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:21,880
World War two to happen. And on Twitter it just

556
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:25,279
erupted in a firestorm. There was several if you totaled o,

557
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:28,240
there's a few millions of views, and just thousands and

558
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:34,000
thousands of the Nazi bots, the botzies on Twitter coming

559
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:37,319
after me, attacking me, all the neopagan retards.

560
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: Coming at me.

561
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 5: Why.

562
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: Well, because it's impossible because Hitler arrested a couple Rothschilds,

563
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,480
seized a few of their properties in Austria and their banks,

564
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:51,720
and so there's no way that there could be establishment

565
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:52,640
support for Hitler.

566
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: Well, here's another book.

567
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: Admitting that the dullest law firm of Solon and Cromwell,

568
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:04,839
that they were helping all of the pro Franco, pro fascist,

569
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:10,720
pro Hitler law firms, and they were also pro Zionist,

570
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,920
and in fact, when people complained about Dallas, he would

571
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,319
just simply say, well, I've aided and supported all kinds

572
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:19,480
of Jewish Zionist and banking interests.

573
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: And if you really get.

574
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Speaker 1: Into this, there's an and there's not a real conflict

575
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,079
here because even Hitler and the Nazis, early on in

576
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:34,680
the Havara Agreement supported the exporting of Jews to Palestine,

577
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,319
and so Hitler was actually pro Zionist.

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00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:38,559
Speaker 2: He wanted Jews to leave.

579
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:43,799
Speaker 1: He thought that would be better for them, and so

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the cartel system that existed in Germany at that time.

581
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The Dulls brothers saw this as a great means to

582
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:55,200
step in. And because Germany was in debt, the German

583
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,680
economy was pretty bad, the Weimar economy was bad. The

584
00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:02,359
Dolls boss also saw an economic situation here that we

585
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,599
could step in. If we fund a lot of this,

586
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:07,720
we'll have a huge stake in the future of Germany.

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And so Kurt Schroeder the banker, was working hand in

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hand together with the Dallases, as they also supported a

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homeland for the Jews in Palestine.

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00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 2: Pro Zionist.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Dulles says that he was an acquaintance of

592
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and a supporter of Heim Weizmann and his Zionist project.

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Speaker 2: So the Warburg's Coon and Loeb, et cetera.

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00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:42,639
Speaker 1: They were at that time opposing Hitler, but Sullivan and Cromwell,

595
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:44,800
Alan Dallas.

596
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:46,519
Speaker 2: And others were actually working together.

597
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: For the Rothschilds get the land and the banks that

598
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,599
were seized in Austria by Hitler to get that back

599
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:57,480
for the Rothschilds.

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Speaker 2: So the story goes much deeper.

601
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,519
Speaker 1: Than good guys bad guy people always want to try

602
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:02,639
to portray this as well, who's the.

603
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 2: Good guy, who's the bad guy. It's a lot deeper

604
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:05,199
than that.

605
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: There's a lot of nuance, there's a lot of power

606
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,880
players trying to get a hold of.

607
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: Corporations and companies.

608
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: And why was this Well, it turns out that they

609
00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:21,239
understood there was a war coming and whoever could have

610
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,920
a stake in those countries in the coming post war

611
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,559
period would then be able to rebuild and it would

612
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be a whole new market that was created. In fact,

613
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,320
Sutton has a whole chapter discussing that the New York

614
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,199
corporate firms, Wall Street firms and Jewish banking firms understood

615
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:40,639
that when there was a bullshit revolution, this would open

616
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,960
up Russia to being rebuilt by the West, to huge

617
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:50,000
corporate power and banking power, to huge markets. In other words,

618
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:54,360
so it's not just about Wars are not just fought

619
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for good guy bad guy ideologies and we're saving the

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homeland against the invaders. Wars are actually fought in the

621
00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:06,800
modern era for cartels. And that's what Burton Hirsch admits

622
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,960
in the first several chapters of his book is that

623
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,880
German cartels had a huge impetus and motivation for there

624
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,559
to be a war, and so they were all involved

625
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,639
in eventually hopping on to support Hitler and the war effort.

626
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,760
Not everyone, for example, the Warburgs and the Shifts, Coon

627
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,519
and Loebe, some of those interests did oppose Hitler. But

628
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:34,239
it doesn't follow from that that there were no Western

629
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,519
elite Wall Street, corporate banking and interests of supporting Hitler,

630
00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:43,960
because there were. Again, this backs up another one of

631
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,559
the books by Sutton wall Street and The Rise of Hitler.

632
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:52,320
So this is a that's a Hudson Institute writer writing

633
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,199
about this, and here's a CFR guy writing about and

634
00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:55,639
admitting it.

635
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

636
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: Sure, of course there was a lot of support from

637
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:06,199
the others who represented not just Hitler associated corporations and cartels,

638
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,480
but also Franco's corporations and businesses.

639
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,519
Speaker 2: And they did this indirectly.

640
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:13,679
Speaker 1: And that's probably because some of them were actually were

641
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,840
you know, they probably were fascists. I mean, there were

642
00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:20,039
plenty of people in the British establishment, the Malthusians, sort

643
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:23,920
of British elites, the King himself at one point, Wallace Simpson.

644
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,280
A lot of those people favored the Nazi ideology.

645
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: And again this is not a good guy bad guy scenario.

646
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:34,639
Speaker 1: This is all just the reality of the power struggle

647
00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:38,280
and power situations. Some of these people, by the way,

648
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:43,480
eventually went to go write Hollywood screenplays. They wrote a

649
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:45,800
lot of the films in the nineteen thirties and forties.

650
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,559
In fact, in my third book, Esatcicla with three, I

651
00:37:48,639 --> 00:37:51,519
go into some of the circles of British intelligence that

652
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:54,760
sent screenwriters to Hollywood. One of the women was named

653
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,280
Helen McGinness, and she literally wrote several films for British

654
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,079
intelligence two convince Americans to get involved in the war effort.

655
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,960
Now she didn't write every Hitchcock film, but you can

656
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,639
see in the case of some of the Hitchcock films,

657
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,559
Hitchcock was in the court of circle pushing in Hollywood

658
00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:15,800
also to get American invaulvet in World War Two. So

659
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,840
films like sabatur in nineteen forty two, where you have

660
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,960
Nazi networks in the US sabotaging and committing espionage, et cetera,

661
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,920
which actually there is some truth to that. There was

662
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,880
actually a network of German espionage in the US under

663
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,639
the guidance of a guy named Heinrich Heinrich Albert, together

664
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:40,079
with friends von Poppin and a guy named Gerhard Vestricht.

665
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:46,039
They were running and involved in nationwide assassination and espionage

666
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:49,440
operations on the part of Germany. And I think eventually

667
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,840
Restrict and I think Albert were expelled from the US,

668
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:57,360
but that's because they were also at least in the

669
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,840
case of Restrict was working with the Dull brothers. So

670
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,599
this is also the birthplace of Operation paper Clip as well. Right,

671
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:07,559
So paper Clip plays a role in this and galen Org,

672
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:11,719
which is Ryan Hart Galen's European espionage network for the Nazis.

673
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,079
Once the Nazis lose, it's the CIA just sort of

674
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:18,039
takes over those networks, and that's the origin of today's

675
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,639
German B and D. The German intelligence is originally the

676
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:26,880
galen Org network. That doesn't mean that today's German intelligence

677
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,280
or Nazis they're totally insane, like just like all of

678
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,519
the other European networks, they're all just totally basically you know,

679
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,960
coucked trainee supporting lunatics now, and that's where we are

680
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:43,880
is that, you know, you can say what you will

681
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,000
about World War Two. I'm not pro fascist, but what

682
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:52,760
ended up winning wasn't Western capitalism. What ended up winning

683
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,039
World War Two and what ended up becoming the basis

684
00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:59,599
for the EU was Fabian socialism. That's socialism combined was

685
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Western and capitalism.

686
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Speaker 2: That's what also.

687
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Speaker 1: Being pushed not just by people like Woodrow Wilson and

688
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:11,000
you know, Colonel Edwin mandel House and these figures back

689
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:13,400
at the time of World War One and you know,

690
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,360
the establishment the Federal Reserve, but also people like Louis Brandai.

691
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:23,360
So the Supreme Court was very infested with open socialist judges.

692
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,960
At this time, you had a Vice President who is

693
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:32,039
a Fabian socialist as well communist openly. So these networks,

694
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:34,079
these infiltrators, these are all very real.

695
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,199
Speaker 2: But even Hollywood can exaggerate this, right.

696
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Speaker 1: There's films like above Suspicion, which I think was written

697
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,639
by Helen McGinnis, the British Intelligence operative, Reunion in France

698
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:51,400
Foreign Correspondent, even Hitchcock's Notorious in nineteen forty six. These

699
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,280
are all basically propaganda films and I'm not saying they're

700
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,199
bad films. Many of them are excellent. They're very well made,

701
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:02,719
very well done films also part of the propaganda war effort.

702
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,760
And you know, going back after reading a lot of

703
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,400
this material and watching a lot of nineteen forties, fifties,

704
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you know, films like, you can see how many of

705
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these films are also propaganda. It's it's so transparent nowadays.

706
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Of course, you go back in time and people had

707
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no clue about how sophisticated propaganda was. But long story

708
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short is that, yeah, Chase Bank, all of these these

709
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entities are connected through the Dallas Is to the Schroeder

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Trust and the Swiss Agreement.

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Speaker 2: And this is.

712
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Speaker 1: Where that long rumored legend story of Nazi gold and

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stolen loot being somehow spirited out to Switzerland and Swiss.

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Speaker 2: Banks and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: Well, Burton Hirsch's book actually touches on that, and that

716
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has to do with the Dulles is helping these groups

717
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get around international laws and blockades because America had economic

718
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sanctions against Germany and the Rockefeller Investment banking combine, which

719
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was a combination of Avery Rockefeller, Kurt von Schroeder, and

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the Dulles brothers aiding them to legally get around certain

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international laws so that corporations could still, like Royal Dutch

722
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Shell support Hitler in the war effort.

723
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Speaker 2: In anytime that Allan Dolts would.

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Speaker 1: Be questioned about it, he would just simply say, well,

725
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I helped out Jewish bankers too, so you didn't really

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deny it. He just said, well, look I help everybody,

727
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So that's you know, we're a law firm, that's what

728
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we do. But to get around the sanctions to in

729
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some way, you know, take some of this, not get

730
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some of this Nazi loot spirited away. Nobody knows exactly

731
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what happened to all that or where it went. It's

732
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a kind of a famous historical legend. Well, my guest

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would be that has something to do with what Burton

734
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Hirsch is talking about here. And this is not antithetical

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00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:58,920
to Zionist interests either. So people think, oh, well this

736
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is so you're just talking about how Nazis are bad

737
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and you won't talk about No, we were saying that

738
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:09,360
there's power elites. Sometimes they disagree. Even amongst the British

739
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power elite. You had a faction that were Araba files

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who were obsessed with Islam. They loved Arab and Islamic culture.

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Speaker 2: People liked T.

742
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Speaker 1: Lawrence, people like Gertrude Bell, people like Saint John Philby,

743
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people you know, even amongst the Royal Society leader, the

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Relionel Curtises and these.

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Speaker 2: Kinds of people.

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Speaker 1: But you also had people who were pro Zionists in

747
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the Rothschild circles amongst those elites and even some of

748
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the spies, like T.

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Speaker 2: Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes he sounds like a rabbit Zionist and sometimes he

751
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sounds like a rabbit, you know, Islamic anti Zionists. So

752
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with these kinds of power players, they can flip sides.

753
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They can you know, flip flop. They can support both sides.

754
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That's also a possibility. People overlook the possibility of funding

755
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and supporting both sides.

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Speaker 2: And you know, just.

757
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Speaker 1: Because one family or branch of Rothchilds gets arrested in

758
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Germany by Hitler, it doesn't follow from that that the

759
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Rothchilds aren't also involved at some level through international banking

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interest in wanting a world war.

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Speaker 2: It just simply means that Hitler started doing things that.

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Speaker 1: People who originally go to him on didn't necessarily want

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him to do. Just like Saddam Hussein might be supported

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in aid by the US and the CIA. He's trained

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by the CAA, and then he comes to power and

766
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well he starts doing things off script and most time

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to get rid of Saddam Hussein.

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Speaker 2: So all these things are possibilities.

769
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Speaker 1: It doesn't follow from this that there was no Western

770
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banking corporately support for Hitler, or that there wasn't Hitler's

771
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support for Zionist interests. In fact, the nation State of Israel,

772
00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:51,280
you could argue, couldn't even have been established. There wasn't

773
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even a justification for the United Nations recognition of Israel

774
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in nineteen forty eight had it not been for Hitler

775
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in World War Two.

776
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it was good.

777
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:04,119
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's the reality of the justification for

778
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,840
the establishment of the nation State of Israel and its

779
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,840
acceptanced by the United Nations in nineteen forty eight. That's

780
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all because of what Hitler did in nineteen in World

781
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:20,400
War two, in the nineteen forties, so the pressure is

782
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from all sides here, and there's not good guys and

783
00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:28,199
bad guys necessarily. I'm not saying there's not heroes and

784
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,599
more time. I'm just saying, like to look at big

785
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:35,119
scale twentieth century geopolitics and then try to figure out

786
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:36,840
the good guy versus the bad guy? Is this a

787
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:42,119
very naive, simplistic, you know approach, And it overlooks the

788
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:46,519
fact that you know, communists in Russia killed something like

789
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:51,119
sixty million people, right, okay, and many of them.

790
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Speaker 2: Were Orthodox Christians.

791
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:58,519
Speaker 1: There were dozens and dozens more millions believed to be

792
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:02,760
killed by mal than even in Russia. So if there's

793
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,920
thirty sixty ninety million people being killed over there, Oh,

794
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,440
but the only thing that matters in the West is

795
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:13,840
the six million or so allegedly in the Holocaust, Well,

796
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:18,400
why are those lives more mystically valuable than all the others?

797
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:20,360
And I'm not saying there weren't Jews killed. I think

798
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,719
Jews were killed, But I'm saying there's nothing about that

799
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,320
DNA that makes them more powerful or more mystically special

800
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:34,079
than the Christians that died in Russia. So demo side

801
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:38,239
is a problem all around, and there's no it's just

802
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,400
absurd to pick one group to say, oh, they're the

803
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only group that really matters. The rest of the millions

804
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:47,639
of people that died, they're less or that's all Israeli

805
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first propaganda. That's what Been Shapiro represents. I've asked for

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