Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro was counting upon the boomer mind matrix, still
controlling everybody in the neokon normy conservative world con inc world.
That No, it's all just in competence. There's all just
you know, the Libs. There's no Plan, there's no Klaus
schwa there's no Davos, there's no builder Berg, there's no
you know, Apak that's trying to run American foreign policy.
Speaker 2: Now, none of that exists. All that exists is.
Speaker 1: The Libs, the incompetent, the retarded libs. Well, one of
the most powerful wealthy men in America, David Rockefeller, as
we all know, he wrote a book called Memoirs and
on page four oh four, it's kind of even shocking
that we have to still talk about and defend this.
I mean, this is twenty twenty five. It's not nineteen
ninety five. I can understand normy conservatives, you know, freaking
out about this stuff back in the nineties, but.
Speaker 2: This is twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: This is after global policies around wearing BDSM masks to
fight off some virus that's going to kill everybody.
Speaker 2: This is not that era anymore.
Speaker 1: And I think Ben Shapiro doesn't realize he's cooked. To
use the gen Z term, his time is already over
because people can within a few seconds. I'm go and
look up and see the David Rockefeller wroote a chapter
called Proud Internationalists where he says, if you say that
I'm guilty of wanning a global government and a new order,
I stand guilty as charged absolutely, And he says that's why.
Speaker 2: I created.
Speaker 1: The Council Foreign Relations Trial Out or Commission, et cetera.
That's not all he created. He says that we also
were involved in supporting and funding the Dullest Brothers who
were really sort of front people for the Rockefellers, and
that's why they became the founders of the OSS and
CIA along with Bill Donovan and others to really get
that flagship deep state operation going. So if we get
into the history not from conspiracy theorists, the history from
Council and Foreign Relationship archivists, much like Carol Quickly, there's
one called britt May Burton Hirst. The Old Boys, the
Old Boy Network is referring to the old OSS and
CIA network, and even prior to that, back to the
Woodrow Wilson administration, the Inquiry which was a bunch of
academics who operated as kind of the proto cia of
that time.
Speaker 3: The government bears Alex Jones, who has the largest audience
in the country, bigger than any of the networks, the
biggest megaphone in the country.
Speaker 4: The deep State hates Alex Jones with a vengeance.
Speaker 5: Alex Jones is the most extraordinary pushing I've ever met.
Speaker 3: Best selling author researcher Jade eyre of Jason Aalyis's takes
Over on this Friday transmission, Thank.
Speaker 2: You, Alex.
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro talked about the shadowy groups.
Speaker 2: The shadowy confanter.
Speaker 1: I see that nobody identifies, no one talks about. Well,
that's simply not true, as anybody who's listened to this
broadcast knows and has heard Alex's name names for years, with.
Speaker 3: The receipts, with their own videos, with their own books.
But you do it even more than our whole library
of them. I mean, it's we're about to do it.
It's a joke.
Speaker 1: So everything behind me is naming names. So like the
whole the whole backdrop is naming names and looks.
Speaker 3: Of course, there's people, excuse me of a conspiracy for
world government to take overall.
Speaker 5: Guilty is charged.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: David Rockefeller has multiple chapters in his memoirs about uh
creating a global government, about helping to found Builderbergh.
Speaker 2: The book I'm reading.
Speaker 1: Right now is a CFR historian Burton Hirsch, So this
counts as something along the lines of Tragy Hope by
Caryl Quickly.
Speaker 2: This is the Old Boys.
Speaker 1: Is the history of the CIA and the OSS coming
out of the wealthy families like the Rockefellers, and support
from the Rothchilds as well British intelligence helps to set out.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm gonna shut up because you're a real historian
on this. I should have thought of that. You're like
the guy with their own quotes. These are their books,
most of them are their books bragging. He also he
didn't just say that we never name the shadow he leeds.
He said, we do it to make you feel powerless
and to never give you policy. All we do is
then develop policy ideas, many of which get adopted. Like
everything he says is a lie. You want to play
the short clips people having context? Yeah, please, guy's queue up.
Ben Shapiro last not attacking me and others. It goes
on and laughing about the us of liberty, saying the
tarpedo boats came to save them. The torpedoes were loving
little gift packages. Here's a little bit, Shapiro.
Speaker 4: We have a duty to propose solutions. That's why we
have to talk about our problems in order to find
the solutions. That's what politics was supposed to be about,
after all, finding solutions to our problems. If we speak
endlessly about the problems we face without ever positing a
solution other than wrecking the system or centralizing power in
occult like figure, we are not finding solutions. We are
merely making problems worse, just asking questions, positing vague conspiracies,
raving like Alex Jones about the secret confederacies that control
your life. None of it makes your life better, none
of it, in fact, it makes your life markedly worse.
That's because if you truly come to believe that nothing
in your life is in your control, you can't even
take control of.
Speaker 2: Your own life.
Speaker 4: You despair of your ability to change your own circumstances,
and then you fail, and you must not fail.
Speaker 3: No, if you can't expose the secret control system it's
not even secret, the publisher signorant, then you can never
get back control, and we've been getting back control. How
about don't take the shots. Here's top experts whistleblower from Pfizer,
their former vice president, heat of vaccine before the shots
rolled out, Eden saying it will attack your immune system
and give you vaccine induced age and everything that's happened
in turbo cancers. No, no, no, we are giving you solutions.
Don't trust you, Ben, You said all of us should
take the shots.
Speaker 5: You supported the lockdowns. I mean, he is such.
Speaker 3: A paper tiger. I'm going to shut up now. I
hang you the baton again at Jade Eyern.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also gaslighting too, because he said that you
never proposed solutions, when in fact, this audience is the
spearhead of waking people up to take action and to
not be black pilled. So really, in you know, logical fallacies,
that's a strong man. He's setting up a position that
Alex doesn't have, that we don't have, and then knocking
that down and saying, see, you know, if you listen
to that guy, you're going to be black pilled. You're
going to be unable to take action in your life.
But let's deal with the first part of it, because
it ended up being what I was planning to talk
about today, which was.
Speaker 2: Are there shadow elites, whether or not really shadowy.
Speaker 1: Maybe in decades past they were more shadowy, But a
lot of these elites have published books, they've come out
and they've said what their plans are. And as I've
said many times on the Fourth Hour, I've heard Alex
saying that for years back, ten, fifteen, twenty years ago.
When I first heard Alex twenty two years ago, and
I thought what he said sounded a little far fetched.
Speaker 2: I knew about the UN and the New World Order.
Speaker 1: And these kinds of ideas and socialism and Marxism, but
that they would be that explicit in their text was
something that I just was a little skeptical about. So
I went and started buying these books, and ever since then,
on my channel, for example, we've lectured through them for
the last ten years, and I've been reading those texts
for twenty two twenty three years. So it's very real,
it's very public. But Ben Shapiro was counting upon the
boomer mind matrix still controlling everybody in the neo con
normy conservative world, con inc world that no, it's all
just in competence it's all just you know, the there's
no plan, there's no Klaus Schwa, there's no Davos, there's
no Builderberg, there's no you know, APAC that's trying to
run American foreign policy.
Speaker 2: Now, none of that exists. All that exists is.
Speaker 1: The libs, the incompetent, the retarded libs. Well, one of
the most powerful wealthy men in America, David Rockefeller, as
we all know, he wrote a book called Memoirs and
on page four oh four, it's kind of even shocking
that we have to still talk about and defend this.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is twenty twenty five. It's not nineteen
ninety five.
Speaker 1: I can understand normy conservatives, you know, freaking out about
this stuff back in the nineties, but.
Speaker 2: This is twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: This is after global policies around wearing BDSM masks to
fight off some you know, virus that's going to kill everybody.
This is not that era anymore. And I think Ben
Shapiro doesn't realize his he's cooked. To use the gen
Z term, his time is already over because people can
within a few seconds, I'm going to look up and
see the David Rockefeller RHOTO chapter called proud Internationalists, where
he says, if you say that I'm guilty of wanning
a global government and a new order, I stand guilty
as charged absolutely, And he says that's why I created
the Council Foreign Relations Trial Out or Commission, et cetera.
That's not all he created. He says that we also
were involved in supporting and funding the Dulles brothers, who
were really sort of front people for the Rockefellers, and
that's why they became the founders of the OSS and
CIA along with Bill Donovan and others to really get
that flagship deep state operation going. So if we get
into the history not from conspiracy theorists, the history from
Council Foreign Relationship archivists, much like Carol Quigley, there's one
called Burton Hirsch. The Old Boys, the Old Boy network
is referring to the old OSS and CIA network, and
even prior to that, back to the Woodrow Wilson administration,
the Inquiry, which was a bunch of academics who operated
as kind of the proto CIA of that time. You know,
even David Rocketbeller's memoirs talks about the policies that the Dalyses,
for example, had about the Nazis and perhaps helping the
Nazis out. And that doesn't mean that Nazis are running everything,
but it means that there are higher groups.
Speaker 2: That want there to be wars.
Speaker 1: There are higher powers above nation states that can call
the shots. That's exactly what these NGOs think. Tanks foundations
are created for us to kind of be above the
nation state level, to try to push policy, to try
to tell them what to do, particularly for these globalist designs.
And you have right there in the chapter called Proud
Internationalist David Rockeflard admitting that.
Speaker 2: That's his goal, that's his job. Now. There might be.
Speaker 1: Factions and divisions amongst the elites at times, and they
can also join powers like mafia organizations do, or like
dons do. Alex has played that clip many times of
the Godfather sitting around at the table with the other
mafia dons, the Five Families, and they're talking about whether
they're going to start selling drugs or not. What we're
talking about is similar to that. It is just on
a bigger scale. It's not little sections of New York
or the Bronx or whatever. It's global steering committees meeting
together to decide global policy, to enforce things like Malthusian
policies of depopulation, to enforce things like international socialism, Fabian socialism.
Speaker 2: It's that all of those things have.
Speaker 1: Been pushed at a very high level, not just by
one family, the Rockefellers, but by many elite families that,
for example, quickly in his book lists in many, many chapters,
he says the Herriman's, the Rockefellers, the JP Morgan's, the Shifts,
the Warburgs of the Rothschilds. So there's a confederation of
these very wealthy, elite oligarchical families that are smart enough
to know how to construct these sort of impenetrable bureaucratic
entities that have a kind of a criminal lockdown on
the government. And that's why it's so difficult, even with
a president who wants to change things, to change things,
because there's an entrenched deep state, as everyone calls it.
But the point is that that's not a conspiracy theory.
And even the New York Times admitted a couple of
years ago, thank god for the deep state. Right, So
now it does exist, it's just, by.
Speaker 2: The way, a good thing.
Speaker 1: Before it never existed, And you're crazy if you talk
about it, and then it moves into the phase of well,
the deep state does exist, and here's why that's a
good thing. Right, all these gay journalism taking gay journalism titles.
We actually have so many historical texts. And I studied
an undergrad I one class away from a double major
in history in philosophy, So for me, history was very important.
We don't know how we got to where we are
if we don't understand.
Speaker 2: Where we were.
Speaker 1: So in history repeats, there's always these kinds of cycles.
If you read somebody like Spangler, for example, who was
very influential on Henry Kissinger's thought, Spangler talks about cycles
of history and civilizations having a kind of a organic
lifespan and then they have a flourishing and then they
have a collapse after a while, and usually that collapse
has to do with degeneracy, laziness, you know, and the
importation of third world or foreign entities to destroy the
existing population, weapons of mass migration, as Kelly Greenhill's book discusses, Well,
the elites, the power elite, they know all about this,
and they've studied this from many, many, many centuries, perhaps
even millennia.
Speaker 2: If you go back into you know.
Speaker 1: Old elite families of the black nobility and the mediicies
and those kinds of families. They've understood bureaucracy and how
to manage big populations.
Speaker 2: But it's just a treasure.
Speaker 1: I would say when we have admissions in the books
and a lot of people say to me, why do
you care about what? So we know there's a new
world order? Who cares what these books say? Well, it's
more than that. It's not just admissions. It's also understanding
how they rule men, how they create organizations and steer them,
co opt them, and even things like staging elections, throwing elections,
how assassinations occur, because there's been a long history of
elite assassinations and government officials being taken out. Most famously,
we've just had the Charlie Kirk assassination. Which there are
I think valid questions that should be asked. Doesn't mean
I agree with everything that Candace says. It's just there's
nothing wrong with asking these questions. Is they want to
weaponize question asking. It's the very thing that Ben Shapiro said,
if you ask these questions, it's only.
Speaker 2: Because you're malicious.
Speaker 1: Well, there's nothing more effeminate than debating and calling into
question everybody's motives, because you can't prove or disprove motives
unless you have somebody's explicit DMS or emails.
Speaker 2: Saying, ah, I have bad motives, I'm going to screw
everything up. There's no way to prove or disprove motives.
Speaker 1: So it's a very shady, slimy tactic to say that
the only reason Tucker or anybody would raise questions this
is because they have bad motives and they're funded by
Katar and all this nonsense, when the establishment itself has
said many times over in their works there are confederacies
of open elites.
Speaker 2: It's not unknown, it's open. And so, for.
Speaker 1: Example, many writers who do write about this from more
of a conspiracy critical perspective. They talk about a wasp
Zionist alliance that has occurred in the last several decades.
If you go from the time of when Quickly wrote
Tragi and Hope and Anglo American Establishment that was late sixties,
seventies and then nineteen eighty two, I think for Angle
American establishment it kind of leaves off with yeah, the
Rothchells are involved, but where then, Well, since the Cold
War there's been a WASP Zionist alliance, and that didn't
play out that great for the Wasps over time, because
they ended up losing a lot of power, especially in
the dumbain of foreign policy, to the Apex Zionist alliance.
But in order to understand how we got to that,
we have to understand that there was a desire to
have a world war, not because everybody was in on
it or everybody understood the full plan, but that the
thought was that out of a world war, we could
have global governance if everyone saw how bad a giant
global conflict was, and then we could get what League
of Nations world War One.
Speaker 2: Well, that didn't pass.
Speaker 1: It failed, The Wilsonian plans didn't come to full fruition.
And Wilson was an agent of Colonel Edwin mandel House,
of the Rothschilds, of the British elite banking circles.
Speaker 2: So this is now on record.
Speaker 1: Not just from Anthony Sutton and people that wrote about
that many decades ago, but yet another global elite text
admits that Colonel Edwin mandel House played a key role
in maneuvering, blackmailing, and positioning the Woodrow Wilson administration to
ensure that America would begin its move towards soft socialism
Fabian socialism, capitalistic socialism, and it was very crucial to
include and utilize figures like the Dullest Brothers, Bill Donovan
and others.
Speaker 2: So when we talk about this book Old Boys, which.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be lecturing through the whole text on
my channel on YouTube.
Speaker 2: If you want to see the full lectures, you can
go follow me.
Speaker 1: There is that the beginning of the American superstructure of
intelligence is not necessarily a assess.
Speaker 2: It's the World War One era of the inquiry.
Speaker 1: And this included key figures like Colonel Edwin mandel House,
John Maynard Keynes, the famed Fabian socialist economists.
Speaker 2: Even though he was not a.
Speaker 1: Member of their society, he is the preeminent economist for
the world, the Western world, for the twentieth century. Most institutions,
most economic thinkers, you know New York Times writer people,
et cetera. They are of the Kynesian ethos. They believe
in the good of that war can actually help stimulate
the economy, that printing money can stimulate the economy, et cetera.
All of these principles that are opposed to you know,
Austrian economics, et cetera. Kanesianism is what dominates, and all
of the Intelligence operative founders, for the most part of
the os of the Inquiry OSSCI were Kansians. They were
Fabian socialists in their economic ideology. Even even if they
didn't become a member of some society, they had this ideology.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: It was Colonel Edwin mandel House, according to Burton Hurt,
that dominated the Woodrow Wilson administration, and thus British Secret
Intelligence Service operatives were already working in the West, already
working to make sure that Woodrow Wilson pushed his fourteen points, etc.
All the Wilsonian principles at the best of the Royal
society rothschild elites. That's who was really wanting this operation
to go through. That's why we get the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 2: It's these people. It's Colonel IWA.
Speaker 1: Mandel House that pushed Woodrow Wilson to be a supporter
of the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 2: And this is all Keynesian.
Speaker 1: It is the Inquiry that dominates the Paris Peace Commission
of nineteen nineteen. And this is where people like Bill
Donovan excuse me, where people like Alan Dellas, the Dallas Brothers.
Speaker 2: Et cetera.
Speaker 1: They begin to get their start here and they are
members of a famous law firm called Sullivan and Cromwell.
So the first several chapters of Burton Hirsch's book deal
with the history of Sullivan and Cromwell, British Intelligence, Woodrow Wilson, etc.
And all these figures kind of beginning this push towards
America's move away from isolationism into internationalism. What did David
Rockefeller say in his chapter, I'm a proud internationalist. In
other words, America needs to be involved, not just in
every big global conflict, but it needs to become an
empire to police the.
Speaker 2: World, to control the world, to run the world.
Speaker 1: And the problem is that when you move into that
imperial ethos, this usually drags down the economy in the
West or in the hub of the empire. It's not
always necessarily a drag. It can be successful. Byzantium, for example, lasted.
It's the longest lasting empire, the Eastern Roman Empire. But
what happened was it opened the doors. It opened the
doors to the Muslims, and you had the fall of
Byzantium to Islam when it became a uniate Roman Catholic power,
opening its door to the Muslims famously.
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Speaker 1: Chris, Welcome back to the fourth hour of the Elks
Shown show. We are discussing the book The Old Boys,
an official council form relations historians take on the origins
of the OSS and CIA, and even the pre war
intelligence period of World War One of the inquiry, we
were talking about the infamous figure of Colonel Edwin mandel House,
who by the way, wrote a book called Philip Dread
Administrator about how a back channel, backdoor handler could control
and cajole the president into doing what the secretive confederacy
of shadowy people wanted done. So we're naming names, we're
talking about people. And keep in mind Burton Hirsch is
not a conspiracy theorist. He's a little bit on the left,
you could say, historian from the Aspen Institute, any member
of the Council form Relations. And this book is based
on over one hundred declassified texts, so much like Quickly
or something like that. And this is not, in any
stretch of the imagination, a conspiracy text. It's all based
on official documents, cables, etc.
Speaker 2: Declassified papers.
Speaker 1: The book begins going into the history of the relationship
between the Dallas brothers, Sullivan and Cromwell, and various big
geopolitical operations. And the reason that law firms play a
key role here is that these institutions are very interested
in lawfair as we know for example, and Alex's travails
what he's had to deal with in terms of lawfair.
Speaker 2: This is really just.
Speaker 1: The old CIA model of not just lawfair as attacking individuals,
but writing international law so that certain companies, corporations and
entities can get around it, so that they have an advantage.
So if you're wealthy enough, if you're powerful enough, if
you're a CIA connected law firm like Sullivan and Cromwell
was back in the days of the Dalls brothers, then
you have the ability to, for example, create the Panama Canal.
And that's exactly what was one of their first operations
was creating legally the Panama Canal using Sulvan and Cromwell.
Another figure who came to prominence in these circles was
a person named William Bullet and bu Litt. Bullet was
an early intelligence operative and ambassador, the first ambassador under
the Wilson era up into FDR to the Soviets, and
he pushed for the US to recognize the Soviet Union.
He pushed for a deal with Lennon that would allow
the West and the US to recognize the Bolshevik government,
and in turn Lenin would have to give up certain
things like abandoning the persecution of the expatriate white Russians,
and in certain blockades this ended up falling through. But
you can begin to see that this was again a
push when there was a Rockefeller Center run Bolshevik revolution
that was all run out of New York, according to
Anthony Sutton, and what we get from the Burton Hirst
book is essentially a vindication of what Anthony Sutton said
that the Bolshek Revolution was run out of Wall Street,
not just by WASP corporations and banks and companies, but
also by Zionists, banking interests, including the Warburgs, the Shifts,
and others. An entity and operatives like William Bullet, who
himself was a Jewish believer, or at least in some
sense he was maternally from his matrilineal dissent was Jewish.
I don't know how serious he was about it, but
again we noticed that there's an often push for communism
and socialism by individuals with this kind of an attitude.
And although this failed and the League of Nations failed,
you can see that the circles of Bullet, the circles
of Edwin mandel House and Bullet worked directly with Colonel House.
Bullet also spent a lot of time in gallivanting around
with Sigmund Freud. You can see the circles and the
ideology at work here. Again, that's also the circles of Tavistock.
You know, Tavistock employed some of the ideologies of Sigmund Freud,
some of the ideas of Freud. And another figure in
the inquiry circles, probably the most famous figure in these
circles of the pre ossci intelligence apparatus, was Walter Lippmann.
And Lippman wasn't just known for his intelligence stuff or
his Tavistock affiliation. He was the creator of the founder
of public opinion. His early book was Public Opinion and
how to steer and craft public opinion so that it
would support any of the war efforts that the elite
want to protect. Clearly, the Rawchell zionis elite wanting America
to participate in World War One and World War Two,
but also all the way down through today's Tavistock studies
on convincing people to accept the transgender agenda. And if
you get deep into Tavistock, I mean they're deeply involved
in the critical race theory stuff. They have branches in Michigan,
Michigan University that were pioneering studies on CRT, pioneering anti
white studies, et cetera. All of that comes out of
Tavistock and these individuals. The book moves on the discussion
even after the failure of the legal nations, these same
entities turning again to figure out a way to create
international bodies and institutions that could supposedly save the world
from war. So the false push for peace isn't really
about that. It's about creating international entities and organizations that
benefit the These olig art elites liked the Rockefeller Foundation,
et cetera. And the Rockfellers make up a significant part
of the next several chapters because while Bill Donovan the
original choice man for running the OSS together with the
British intelligence operatives that came and helped set that up,
Bill Donovan began as a Rockefeller Foundation worker. He was
an official representative at that shape person who was involved
in missions to send food supplies in various conflict zones.
And then he gets recruited by J. P. Morgan to
go into meet with Lloyd George the famous labor Fabian Socialist,
the Prime Minister in the UK, who was working at
the behest of Lionel Curtis and the Fabian Socialists and
the Rothschilds to push socialism in the UK. Well, that
ended up impressing a lot of people, and although Donovan
didn't immediately get appointed to a high level position, Herbert
Hoover was impressed with him, but appointed him to a
lesser position in the Philippines. But this allowed him to
get more intelligence experience and more of his adventurism and whatnot,
and eventually he gets promoted to being the head of
the OSS.
Speaker 2: Appointed to the head of that.
Speaker 1: And this is at a period too, when we're supposedly
in the midst of you know, the dangers of Nazi Germany.
There's all of this threat and it turns out the
Dalles brothers not only are they aiding and supporting the
financiers of Hitler like Halmar Shocked, Fritz Thissen and others
who was part of the United Steel Cartel, people like
Albert Vogler. It turns out the Dalles brothers all end
up supporting and doing law work to help not just
the people around tiny mustache man, but also Franco. Now
you might think, well, you know, people are beginning to
popularize and think that Hitler is a good guy now
and they're fans.
Speaker 2: Of all that.
Speaker 1: Well, the Dolls brothers are first of all, they're not Christian.
They're not into any kind of like really based kind
of you know, right wing politics. They're really just power
political players, and they see the cause of Hitler as
something that really isn't worth America getting involved in. So
they had a kind of an America first view in
America vers at that time just implement not being involved
in foreign conflicts and not fighting in World War Two.
Speaker 2: But the problem is that they're not some sort of.
Speaker 1: Based anti Jewish zion anti Zionist law firm. They're actually
pro Zionist. So you could be both. You could be
aiding and supporting the rise of Hitler and working at
the Schroeder Bank and working at these other banks that
helped to fund and aid Hitler, and also supporting Zionism.
And I point this out quite often, you know. Some
months ago I was in the studio with Alex and
I talked about the dual appeasement strategy that the British
elites had to goat Hitler into attacking because they wanted
World War two to happen. And on Twitter it just
erupted in a firestorm. There was several if you totaled o,
there's a few millions of views, and just thousands and
thousands of the Nazi bots, the botzies on Twitter coming
after me, attacking me, all the neopagan retards.
Speaker 2: Coming at me.
Speaker 5: Why.
Speaker 1: Well, because it's impossible because Hitler arrested a couple Rothschilds,
seized a few of their properties in Austria and their banks,
and so there's no way that there could be establishment
support for Hitler.
Speaker 2: Well, here's another book.
Speaker 1: Admitting that the dullest law firm of Solon and Cromwell,
that they were helping all of the pro Franco, pro fascist,
pro Hitler law firms, and they were also pro Zionist,
and in fact, when people complained about Dallas, he would
just simply say, well, I've aided and supported all kinds
of Jewish Zionist and banking interests.
Speaker 2: And if you really get.
Speaker 1: Into this, there's an and there's not a real conflict
here because even Hitler and the Nazis, early on in
the Havara Agreement supported the exporting of Jews to Palestine,
and so Hitler was actually pro Zionist.
Speaker 2: He wanted Jews to leave.
Speaker 1: He thought that would be better for them, and so
the cartel system that existed in Germany at that time.
The Dulls brothers saw this as a great means to
step in. And because Germany was in debt, the German
economy was pretty bad, the Weimar economy was bad. The
Dolls boss also saw an economic situation here that we
could step in. If we fund a lot of this,
we'll have a huge stake in the future of Germany.
And so Kurt Schroeder the banker, was working hand in
hand together with the Dallases, as they also supported a
homeland for the Jews in Palestine.
Speaker 2: Pro Zionist.
Speaker 1: In fact, Dulles says that he was an acquaintance of
and a supporter of Heim Weizmann and his Zionist project.
Speaker 2: So the Warburg's Coon and Loeb, et cetera.
Speaker 1: They were at that time opposing Hitler, but Sullivan and Cromwell,
Alan Dallas.
Speaker 2: And others were actually working together.
Speaker 1: For the Rothschilds get the land and the banks that
were seized in Austria by Hitler to get that back
for the Rothschilds.
Speaker 2: So the story goes much deeper.
Speaker 1: Than good guys bad guy people always want to try
to portray this as well, who's the.
Speaker 2: Good guy, who's the bad guy. It's a lot deeper
than that.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of nuance, there's a lot of power
players trying to get a hold of.
Speaker 2: Corporations and companies.
Speaker 1: And why was this Well, it turns out that they
understood there was a war coming and whoever could have
a stake in those countries in the coming post war
period would then be able to rebuild and it would
be a whole new market that was created. In fact,
Sutton has a whole chapter discussing that the New York
corporate firms, Wall Street firms and Jewish banking firms understood
that when there was a bullshit revolution, this would open
up Russia to being rebuilt by the West, to huge
corporate power and banking power, to huge markets. In other words,
so it's not just about Wars are not just fought
for good guy bad guy ideologies and we're saving the
homeland against the invaders. Wars are actually fought in the
modern era for cartels. And that's what Burton Hirsch admits
in the first several chapters of his book is that
German cartels had a huge impetus and motivation for there
to be a war, and so they were all involved
in eventually hopping on to support Hitler and the war effort.
Not everyone, for example, the Warburgs and the Shifts, Coon
and Loebe, some of those interests did oppose Hitler. But
it doesn't follow from that that there were no Western
elite Wall Street, corporate banking and interests of supporting Hitler,
because there were. Again, this backs up another one of
the books by Sutton wall Street and The Rise of Hitler.
So this is a that's a Hudson Institute writer writing
about this, and here's a CFR guy writing about and
admitting it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, of course there was a lot of support from
the others who represented not just Hitler associated corporations and cartels,
but also Franco's corporations and businesses.
Speaker 2: And they did this indirectly.
Speaker 1: And that's probably because some of them were actually were
you know, they probably were fascists. I mean, there were
plenty of people in the British establishment, the Malthusians, sort
of British elites, the King himself at one point, Wallace Simpson.
A lot of those people favored the Nazi ideology.
Speaker 2: And again this is not a good guy bad guy scenario.
Speaker 1: This is all just the reality of the power struggle
and power situations. Some of these people, by the way,
eventually went to go write Hollywood screenplays. They wrote a
lot of the films in the nineteen thirties and forties.
In fact, in my third book, Esatcicla with three, I
go into some of the circles of British intelligence that
sent screenwriters to Hollywood. One of the women was named
Helen McGinness, and she literally wrote several films for British
intelligence two convince Americans to get involved in the war effort.
Now she didn't write every Hitchcock film, but you can
see in the case of some of the Hitchcock films,
Hitchcock was in the court of circle pushing in Hollywood
also to get American invaulvet in World War Two. So
films like sabatur in nineteen forty two, where you have
Nazi networks in the US sabotaging and committing espionage, et cetera,
which actually there is some truth to that. There was
actually a network of German espionage in the US under
the guidance of a guy named Heinrich Heinrich Albert, together
with friends von Poppin and a guy named Gerhard Vestricht.
They were running and involved in nationwide assassination and espionage
operations on the part of Germany. And I think eventually
Restrict and I think Albert were expelled from the US,
but that's because they were also at least in the
case of Restrict was working with the Dull brothers. So
this is also the birthplace of Operation paper Clip as well. Right,
So paper Clip plays a role in this and galen Org,
which is Ryan Hart Galen's European espionage network for the Nazis.
Once the Nazis lose, it's the CIA just sort of
takes over those networks, and that's the origin of today's
German B and D. The German intelligence is originally the
galen Org network. That doesn't mean that today's German intelligence
or Nazis they're totally insane, like just like all of
the other European networks, they're all just totally basically you know,
coucked trainee supporting lunatics now, and that's where we are
is that, you know, you can say what you will
about World War Two. I'm not pro fascist, but what
ended up winning wasn't Western capitalism. What ended up winning
World War Two and what ended up becoming the basis
for the EU was Fabian socialism. That's socialism combined was
Western and capitalism.
Speaker 2: That's what also.
Speaker 1: Being pushed not just by people like Woodrow Wilson and
you know, Colonel Edwin mandel House and these figures back
at the time of World War One and you know,
the establishment the Federal Reserve, but also people like Louis Brandai.
So the Supreme Court was very infested with open socialist judges.
At this time, you had a Vice President who is
a Fabian socialist as well communist openly. So these networks,
these infiltrators, these are all very real.
Speaker 2: But even Hollywood can exaggerate this, right.
Speaker 1: There's films like above Suspicion, which I think was written
by Helen McGinnis, the British Intelligence operative, Reunion in France
Foreign Correspondent, even Hitchcock's Notorious in nineteen forty six. These
are all basically propaganda films and I'm not saying they're
bad films. Many of them are excellent. They're very well made,
very well done films also part of the propaganda war effort.
And you know, going back after reading a lot of
this material and watching a lot of nineteen forties, fifties,
you know, films like, you can see how many of
these films are also propaganda. It's it's so transparent nowadays.
Of course, you go back in time and people had
no clue about how sophisticated propaganda was. But long story
short is that, yeah, Chase Bank, all of these these
entities are connected through the Dallas Is to the Schroeder
Trust and the Swiss Agreement.
Speaker 2: And this is.
Speaker 1: Where that long rumored legend story of Nazi gold and
stolen loot being somehow spirited out to Switzerland and Swiss.
Speaker 2: Banks and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Well, Burton Hirsch's book actually touches on that, and that
has to do with the Dulles is helping these groups
get around international laws and blockades because America had economic
sanctions against Germany and the Rockefeller Investment banking combine, which
was a combination of Avery Rockefeller, Kurt von Schroeder, and
the Dulles brothers aiding them to legally get around certain
international laws so that corporations could still, like Royal Dutch
Shell support Hitler in the war effort.
Speaker 2: In anytime that Allan Dolts would.
Speaker 1: Be questioned about it, he would just simply say, well,
I helped out Jewish bankers too, so you didn't really
deny it. He just said, well, look I help everybody,
So that's you know, we're a law firm, that's what
we do. But to get around the sanctions to in
some way, you know, take some of this, not get
some of this Nazi loot spirited away. Nobody knows exactly
what happened to all that or where it went. It's
a kind of a famous historical legend. Well, my guest
would be that has something to do with what Burton
Hirsch is talking about here. And this is not antithetical
to Zionist interests either. So people think, oh, well this
is so you're just talking about how Nazis are bad
and you won't talk about No, we were saying that
there's power elites. Sometimes they disagree. Even amongst the British
power elite. You had a faction that were Araba files
who were obsessed with Islam. They loved Arab and Islamic culture.
Speaker 2: People liked T.
Speaker 1: Lawrence, people like Gertrude Bell, people like Saint John Philby,
people you know, even amongst the Royal Society leader, the
Relionel Curtises and these.
Speaker 2: Kinds of people.
Speaker 1: But you also had people who were pro Zionists in
the Rothschild circles amongst those elites and even some of
the spies, like T.
Speaker 2: Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Sometimes he sounds like a rabbit Zionist and sometimes he
sounds like a rabbit, you know, Islamic anti Zionists. So
with these kinds of power players, they can flip sides.
They can you know, flip flop. They can support both sides.
That's also a possibility. People overlook the possibility of funding
and supporting both sides.
Speaker 2: And you know, just.
Speaker 1: Because one family or branch of Rothchilds gets arrested in
Germany by Hitler, it doesn't follow from that that the
Rothchilds aren't also involved at some level through international banking
interest in wanting a world war.
Speaker 2: It just simply means that Hitler started doing things that.
Speaker 1: People who originally go to him on didn't necessarily want
him to do. Just like Saddam Hussein might be supported
in aid by the US and the CIA. He's trained
by the CAA, and then he comes to power and
well he starts doing things off script and most time
to get rid of Saddam Hussein.
Speaker 2: So all these things are possibilities.
Speaker 1: It doesn't follow from this that there was no Western
banking corporately support for Hitler, or that there wasn't Hitler's
support for Zionist interests. In fact, the nation State of Israel,
you could argue, couldn't even have been established. There wasn't
even a justification for the United Nations recognition of Israel
in nineteen forty eight had it not been for Hitler
in World War Two.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it was good.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's the reality of the justification for
the establishment of the nation State of Israel and its
acceptanced by the United Nations in nineteen forty eight. That's
all because of what Hitler did in nineteen in World
War two, in the nineteen forties, so the pressure is
from all sides here, and there's not good guys and
bad guys necessarily. I'm not saying there's not heroes and
more time. I'm just saying, like to look at big
scale twentieth century geopolitics and then try to figure out
the good guy versus the bad guy? Is this a
very naive, simplistic, you know approach, And it overlooks the
fact that you know, communists in Russia killed something like
sixty million people, right, okay, and many of them.
Speaker 2: Were Orthodox Christians.
Speaker 1: There were dozens and dozens more millions believed to be
killed by mal than even in Russia. So if there's
thirty sixty ninety million people being killed over there, Oh,
but the only thing that matters in the West is
the six million or so allegedly in the Holocaust, Well,
why are those lives more mystically valuable than all the others?
And I'm not saying there weren't Jews killed. I think
Jews were killed, But I'm saying there's nothing about that
DNA that makes them more powerful or more mystically special
than the Christians that died in Russia. So demo side
is a problem all around, and there's no it's just
absurd to pick one group to say, oh, they're the
only group that really matters. The rest of the millions
of people that died, they're less or that's all Israeli
first propaganda. That's what Been Shapiro represents. I've asked for
years to debate Ben Shapiro. Of course, he's not going
to bate me. He's not going to bate Alex or
anybody who would give.
Speaker 2: Him real pushback.
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro is a duel citizen, and he represents a
forid interest, and his time is passing away. People are
tired of all of that propaganda, and they're waking up
to America being put into the primary position. This is
Jay's analysis. I'm Jay Dyer. You can go watch my
stuff on my channel.
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